Trillbilly Worker's Party - Episode 354: Prospectors Division

Episode Date: August 9, 2024

Catching up on Trump's odds, Harris-Walz news, and the New Confederacy (Israel) Support us on Patreon: www.patreon.com/trillbillyworkersparty

All right, it's been a minute. I think I remember how to do this. I think you're supposed to start the show with a Funny bit or observation some obscure fact you've read perhaps Sorry I as attractive people on my street um Was it was it was it was it the big titty lady walking the cats is that what it was last time? That lady ruled I was watching the Olympics the other night and like I Think that what they should do is have a

Okay, so it's swimming, but you're a cowboy and you have to wear all cowboy like attire like Boots spurs bolo tie even pistol. What are the pants that they wear the chaps? Let me let me ask you something Terrence because this is more your domain than than anything but I As we record this I'm a stone's throw from a cowboy convention of sorts Oh, are you and I have to say they've abandoned the traditional Western garb the bolo tight on that stuff for a more John Dutton look now they've gone planes. Oh

Do they have? So what is that? What is that So what does that entail, Tom? What's the difference between the classical all-American cowboy with the hat, the chaps, the bolo? And what is Dutton Plain? It's a matter of Riz. It really is a matter of Riz. It literally is a matter of settling for less.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Southwest is swaggy, whereas the Plains have kind of... And this is like west is swaggy whereas the plains have kind of And this is not a knock on anybody in the plains I'm talking about the John Dutton Yellowstone aesthetic right versus like the old southwest aesthetic the old southwest aesthetic You got a lot of things going on you got the Mexican influence going on You have the Native American influence going on you have the cowboy like a lot of things in a melting pot When you get up to the plains they basically just like adopt the cowboy hat but basically dress like a Tennessee dad going fishing it's without any of the

flair basically we're right yeah once you get up into the plains you're getting into like German territory that is true get too Germanic yeah you get too dramatic too plain you know you're you're exactly right. Well, this is very prescient conversation because one of the topics Do-jor this week has been the camo hat and the virtue signal of the camouflage hat, right? It cooked is it not? Where do we land on the subject? I mean independent it did Harris Waltz killed the camo hat Listen, man, you could you couldn't in my opinion as as one who is a camo aficionado I mean I'm saying this I only got one pair of camo cargos and I got another desert pair

But no one can ever ruin that right? I think that's the thing where either you don't own up to it You know what I'm saying or you wear as it should be worn You know what I mean, and I just feel like if you're wearing a Waltz Harris camel hat, you're not doing it justice man. You're not. Is it flat for him? I didn't even see that.

Or is it one of those hats where you like... Remember how back in the day guys would take rubber bands and put them over the bill of their cap into the fucking... Is it one of those? Yeah, to where the two sides were almost touching. Yeah. That was a youth group. Yeah, that is a... Yeah, to where the two sides were almost touching. Yeah, that was a youth group. Yeah, that is a, yeah, totally. It was usually a old school Atlanta Braves hat,

dirty as hell with sweat rings on. Or if he was a fan of Boondock Sanks, it was a Boston Red Sox hat. You know what I remember, man? I remember growing up when everybody used to get the new era hats, like the flat brimmed ones But they would keep on all the stickers right and the tags and shit like that. You know what I'm saying is the Harris Which I've not seen one in the wild yet Can't say I I just assumed that it was flat brim because I thought what they were going for was like a holler to the hood Because I thought what they were going for was like a holler to the hood Thing like I thought they were gonna try to do like a Charles Booker at a national level like they were gonna be like

We're swaggy, but we're from the holler. You know what I mean? Like and they would sell like tall teas on the Yeah, I thought they were gonna try to do that with the Harris Waltz thing. Like I thought that was the whole brand they were going for Yeah, it's probably they've got it printed up on a on a on a probably one of those real tree hats it's got like a slight tilt pre do it but you know take your own adventure you can remember those devices they used to sell with like the flat build like MLB caps in the 90s where you could like slip it on and like get the perfect curve without fucking up the cardboard in the build. Yeah you know what y'all got me thinking about now? You know we were talking about what if the Libs did their own January 6th?

You know, just some by some miracle Trumpin' One and you see a bunch of people wearing camo Waltz Harris gear. Harris Waltz gear. Charging the Capitol. Yeah, like the... Oh my God. Yeah. Like they've gone native because they put the hat on.

It's like the horseshoe theory You know the whole shoe theory the left and the right eventually meet except to be like the lip the lives of the maggots Shots eventually meet where they just turned into like, you know It just becomes a white identity politics, but with the lip with the liberal I guess flair to it, you know the curvature of the bill It's a metaphor. That's one of those things like before long like how did they get? like how long will it be before the Libs start doing QAnon like the Viking helmets like with those B camo

I would say that there is stones throw away because I mean with the with the Biden debate before he dropped out They had their own like QAnon-esque theories, you know, about how CNN was showing him in an unfavorable light based on like kind of the camera angle and the lighting and all this shit was like, no, I just think he has dementia, man. Things got goofy as fuck for like a minute there, man. They were saying some crazy shit.

That was only like three weeks ago too, wasn't it? That was even a full month ago, wasn't it? Oh, man. Everything has happened in a month. That's true, that's true. Back to my cowboy swimming idea though,

which I... Sorry, sorry, we took it fashion too, too quick. I like, you can dress however cowboy, like you have to wear a hat and it has to stay on while you're swimming So wait, so it's not like tied down with like a leg like a rock string already You just have to keep it on no, it's tied around your chin and you have to get you can wear a sombrero If you want you can wear a cowboy hat if you want you can even wear one of those like bowler kit like

I guess that's probably the one you want the most like a top hat Or something like a British cabbie hat or some shit like that Well, I guess I'm trying to think like in the old west like there were several different types of hats there There was like the a blink in like top hat type deal stove pipe Is that what they called that? Yeah, or uh. Stetson? Yeah, Stovepipe, yeah they had like a bowler,

a bowler was one you saw from time to time. A bowler, correct. Yeah. But you have to wear, you have to wear a jacket. I just like the idea of being on a starting block and they're like, take your marks, and like you lean over and your spurs are You step up to the end of the block with your spurs on

But do you have like a banana ham back on or do you have to go full board? Like these are these are these gonna be the slowest Olympic times ever because you've got like Wrangler jeans on and pull up on snap You have the water? Them shits are dragging you down. Or do you have like hat, bolo, spurs, but the banana hammock speed I like. That's a good question, because both honestly would be really fun.

It would be fun. I guess you could do two different competitions where one of them, yes, they have to wear all the denim, the chaps, the pearl snaps or whatever. Like that's a different division. That's a different division. Full dress, yeah Snaps or whatever. That's a different division. That's a different division. Full dress, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a different division.

Full dress. And you have to swim doggy paddle. You know what I'm saying? You have to doggy paddle. Like your Olympic team in that case would be like any guy that ever got a DUI on a pontoon. You know what I mean? Those guys have tried to jump off into the lake and avoid the police.

You know, so they've got experience swimming full guard. Well, that's also to to to add to the authenticity. They put water moccasins in the pool. You know what I mean? Like you're trying to like Olympics. That swimming pool with venomous snakes in there. Cotton mouse. Yeah, they venomous snakes in there. Cotton mouse instead. Yeah.

They got sea snakes, brother. But yo, can I wear it back to the hat? So I was wondering, could I wear like, I know it's not like cowboy aesthetic, but like what if I wanted to wear like a Kufi? You know what I'm saying? What if I wanted to wear like a little Kufi, instead of like a bowler?

I think that should be fine. What if the kufi goes west? There's a look that would be a look dog like Native American patterns of it'll be a little like early 2000s Mike Tyson when you'd catch him wearing a kufi But with like a cowboy shirt and like real tight dress slacks and like Gucci loafers, you know what I mean? Something like that. Hell yeah. Dude, I also think that you should have to wear

six shooters. Like a belt with pistols and then bullets in the belt. You know what I'm saying? Is it loaded? They're loaded? It's loaded. Yeah, you could actually shoot the guy that's like, you're allowed one attempt at murder in the pursuit of gold.

Bro, we should just go with the full Monty. Why don't we just like, it should just be like an animal sport, like equestrian shit, but instead it's like manatees or something like that, or doogongs. I don't know the difference, but I just know that they're kind of related to I'm just the whole thing you could do so much Put fool's gold in the bottom of the pool like or actual gold like they have to they can pan for gold at the bottom Yeah, everybody starts off on the block and they've got like a little sifting pan for the go And like actually whoever my whoever sifts the most gold wins gold It's it's

We should consider it is all I'm saying I was watching the Olympics two nights ago. I was watching swimming I was watching Katie Ledecky Kick ass and I was like man You know what would make your transvestigation on Katie Ledecky? Yeah, now he's like, you know, it would make this even better as if it was cowboy thing the old west thing Yeah, the Olympics dude is shot in the arm, I mean, you know, they've introduced that three on three basketball, which I think is a nice touch. Skateboarding is kind of fun, if only because like,

if you see the tweet going around with the British Olympic team and it's like one guy that's like 50 and the rest of them are literal like 13 year old children. That's a fun Olympic team. One very old guy and a couple of kids. Speaking of that, did you guys, did you see that? I sent you last night where they interviewed Kevin Durant After the game last night and he was like America. He's like a lot of bullshit happens in America, but there's also some good stuff A lot of bullshit happens

I love that a lot of bullshit happens, but I love Kevin Durant for no other reason than he like name searches himself and then goes after people talk shit about him on Twitter Yeah, I saw he was up at like 3 a.m. Last night like asking somebody like we live at we Love a sore winner like if it's like just something dumb like that. You? He's great. He's a UT Longhorn. He was actually there the same time I was. But he left early. You guys never crossed paths. You weren't one and done, were you?

I was not one and done, no. God damn. Well, what a week. What a past couple weeks. what a fun time it's been It's been a whirlwind man a lot of events happened that I feel felt they felt we need a new way to look at like time And like current events because everything feels like it's compressed You know a lot of things have happened over a short amount of time. I mean I've moved towards the position that Elections are like a deep and fucked up dark magic that pollutes the very human soul like I don't even think that I

Don't at some point this past week. I told you guys like Towards the end of the week I was feeling more insane like Joker type insane But at the beginning of the week I was definitely more like Steve Buscemi and Armageddon insane I Was like ready to start like killing everybody and myself Well, I got like I told you man I was a I was a Bruce Willis and 12 monkeys You know having visions of this apocalyptic future and have not knowing how to change it or what I'm even fucking doing I guess or maybe like Sam Neill in event horizon, maybe that's the kind of insane I was more operating on that is that is cosmic horrid. Yeah, like clawing my eyes out like seeing God

like that, you know God who you can't even fathom you just birds like your redness out because to look at him is too it's too much It's too awesome. You can't gaze upon him. You can't gaze upon him, just like how you can't say his name. He has a thousand names. You know, here's something that I keep thinking about, is that Trump has kind of been the victim of his own success. Like, in a way, he has like changed our vernacular, he's changed our attention span,

he's changed our brains fundamentally. And the man was shot, and in another time, before him, he would have been a martyr. But now, he's just like, it doesn't even register. You know what I'm saying? He is like, he could have reigned. Another time after that happened, in the famous fight fight fight

He started a thousand-year rock, but now because of the conditions he's helped usher in Nobody cares. It's true. Yo, it's true man Like we talked about it as if it was like, you know, like the new opening episode of the new season of SNL or something You know I'm saying or something like or some like kind of like just just popular event that people talk about maybe for a day or two, you know, a movie or show or whatever. And then yeah, and then the new thing comes out, you know, that's it. It's like what you said SNL, but like, you know, SNL is like, whatever we talk about if you know, if it's good, if it's bad, whatever. But like, it's not this that Trump era SNL

is going to have almost no rewatch value because of that same principle. Right, right, that's a good point. Like, yeah, I was like watching the Larry Sanders show not too long ago. And even though they're talking about like Jerry Brown and stuff in California, like I could stay with it. I don't think that's gonna be the case. Like, nah, like with like the sort of dated references, because so much happens so quick

and we memory whole things too fast that like whatever was the thing happening that week, nobody's really gonna have any like reference point for it in the future, you know what I mean? Right, right. It is weird to think about like, generally, I mean, cause I don't know though, when you think about it,

like I was thinking about like for Ford Gerald Ford getting shot twice and it not being a big deal Sometimes yeah, sometimes politicians gets to get shot and it's not a big deal It's kind of like it's kind of like I think what you said you're a You're I think your sister had said Tom you were like it's always something with this guy You know some people it's just always something with these people you're just like oh, that's all it was shot again I feel like even Reagan getting shot wasn't that big a deal I mean granted, but they all lived and they if they had been successful it would have been a whole different story, but um

Yeah, I I I think there is something to be said for like people I think there is something to be said for like people Just kind of wanting to move on because like having to dwell on it for too long It's just like what you know what what can we really believe? But even Trump I mean like if Trump wanted to capitalize on this to use this as his martyrdom moment You know to like usher in that thousand-year reign He's not gonna do that because he hates the fact that he got shot. He hates the fact that he had a confrontation

of brush with death. This is a man who wants to live forever. And then he was like almost emasculated by having to wear that fucking bandage over his ear for however long. You know what I mean? Like remember, yo, did you guys see that he did a, I don't remember the streamer's name, man,

but it's some like weird right wing streamer, this young kid. I don't even the streamer's name, man, but it's some weird right wing streamer, this young kid. I don't even know if he's so much public. Yeah, and he gifted Trump a cyber truck with Trump's face on it from when he had gotten shot. And you could tell that he fucking hated it, to be reminded of that. So yeah, man, he's not even gonna capitalize on this

for any kind of capital, political capital. I immediately retract what I what I just posited because like Trump the bottom line is Trump doesn't have this Forgive me for saying that the shooters anymore I mean really like he's doing the fucking he's doing the fucking twitch stream circuit of like like, you know Just influencer type shit, you know, just influencer type shit. You know what I mean? He's going on Aiden Ross.

He's like, it's like Don Jr. and Eric are sort of like, you know, steering him to all this stuff. And you can tell he doesn't want to be doing any of it. You know, he wants to be on the view again. He wants to be on Wendy Williams again. That's his bread and butter. You know? He does.

He's reminiscing about those days when this kid is showing him a cyber truck when he almost got his fucking top blown off, you know? Yeah. It's like, ah, the glory days, man. Well, this is a pivot, though, Tom. Earlier this week when I met up with you, you were dead certain that Trump was gonna win. You had convinced me! Well, let me tell you, let me tell you, I've since flip-flopped on that, I had a discussion with my cousin last night. Here's how this went.

Let me recount this in this text thread. This might be a jumping off point to kind of getting into some of the Waltz stuff, but my cousin for context is a professional gambler, mostly a poker player, but like also everything else. He called me struggling And he said well you text me so I said this whole last three weeks has me questioning everything I just don't get it, which is a very vexing thing for a gambler. So like he's like This is a man of deals. Well, he knows this is but this is the one thing he would ever defer to me on Uh-huh.

I said what specifically? He said just how Harris, how like how she was the VP never won a primary, never won a single primary, could just fill in and be even immediately, you know, like pick to win. When Biden, the president, was an underdog, like the sitting president was an underdog to Trump. I just don't see what makes her such a better option than Joe. And I said, well, I mean, in the strictest terms, it's undemocratic too, because they went through the whole primary season with Joe and he won the nomination and just made him step down. I mean, how is he unwell enough to run, but well enough to stay president?

You know? Yeah. Like my mom was asking me, yeah. And I said if he immediately resigned as president because of his health and Harris took over, that makes sense. But to get through the primary season and bait and switch but he gets to stay the president for a couple more months is just kind of strange. He said, yeah, it's just odd.

And he says, not sure if this is accurate, but if so, what exactly has she done that's amazing for this type of push? And it's just talking about Kamala Harris overtakes Donald Trump, gains 23 points in I'm not sure if this is accurate, but if so, what exactly has she done that's amazing for this type of push? And it's just talking about Kamala Harris overtakes Donald Trump, gains 23 points in this poll. And I said, Tim Waltz VP pick is people excited. He says, is that what it is? Laugh out loud. I know when I heard the news, I couldn't contain myself either.

And his point being is like, what is the actual, what do we really know about waltz? What does the average person know about waltz that accounts for a 20 point bump in a pole? Right, right, right. I mean dude, if we kind of conceive of politics as much of a consumerist endeavor, you know what I mean? As like going to the store and buying a different brand of deodorant or a new phone. This is just a new model, you know? I mean, this is just something that I think also just

makes people feel like we are veering back towards some sort of quote normalcy, or if you're Joe Manchin, normality. I don't know why he thought that new spin on it, that new synonym would hit any different. But yeah, I guess, yeah, it is so much like this is wrapped up in people's, just the way they conceive of politics and I mean, frankly, I guess like their hopes and dreams for themselves. I mean, I don't want to be doomerish about it because I have my own kind of a more pessimistic

take on it. But yeah, people want hope and change, man. Well, here's what I said to him, and here's what I think is. And I said, what I think it is is I think people that vote for Democrats are so desperate to sort of beat Trumpism, to just like put that chapter behind everything, because like, I don't think people are excited about Tim Walz or Kamala Harris as much as they are at like the end of the Trump era. Just like, I think it's like a certain kind of fatigue.

And then what he said was, yeah, but to make up 20 points, you either had to convince people to vote that weren't going to vote or move the undecided people to your side. There's a certain percentage that's always just going to vote their party no matter the candidate.

Just don't see what's the drastic change that would create a drastic improvement from Joe. Maybe some people in the middle thought Joe was too old or something, but I don't know. So, it's just a little snapshot about how like, John Q. not online brain is viewing this thing, you know what I mean? And somebody who prognosticates actually for a living. Right, right, right.

Literally, not like us. So let me get this straight then what do you think so you were basing your prediction that Trump would win based on basically like Vegas odds have Trump still winning right here's the here's here's what I'm basing it on okay and I sent this to you the other day to it was here's what I'm basing it on this is just history, okay? This is just this is not me like making up anything. This is just the reality of how things have shaken out for, you know, a number of years. But basically, here's the deal. Since 1866, since

like the sports books first started taking, or since bookmakers first started taking action on things like this, only two times has an underdog to win the presidency actually won the presidency. One was Herbert Hoover in the 40s, and then the other was Donald J. Trump, who was the biggest underdog in the field. He was an 8 to 1 underdog to win the president, and he won the president. So if Vegas still has, I mean, and Trump has narrowed as a favorite, right? But like since 1866, they've only been wrong twice. And even after the waltz bump and everything, like, I mean, I'm not saying that's going to happen. Like I tend to think that Commonwealth is going to win.

But the way I've been running lately, the way I need to start betting is just whatever I think, just do the opposite. You know, we also- That's my rationale. There's nothing scientific about it. But like if Vegas still has Trump a favorite favorite even after the waltz bump and everything And I think that's Brother there's nothing scientific about what I'm about to say But if you want to add like a maybe Trump has um, you know, we've talked about there's the there's a joke about um

You know, I'm not being completely serious either But there's a joke about like watching wriggle out of this one It's as if this man has some sort of probability field surrounding him Sort of aura that allows him to walk through Unscathed and possibly a victor, you know, I mean people would least expect it So even some even when it comes down to not to barely being failed by an assassin's bullet But just gestulating and moving his head slightly a couple centimeters to whichever side You know yeah, he has a force field has a force field around and that but I do have to say is has been pointed out That force field is looking a lot

Dingier lately it is it is it is there are cracks appearing through it. You know yeah So he's definitely not trying anymore. Can we at least say that? He's not... Something has been taken from him. It's almost like he's lost his joie de vivre. Well, I mean, I don't think that Trent Pross is a near-death experience like most people would. You know, like I think most people would be traumatized

for the rest of their life. I think though, he just feels like he had that brush with death that he just doesn't have, he's not a god anymore, he's not a god anymore. Something though that I've wondered about, and I don't wanna like go too far down this route, but like, his ear is fine. Like what the fuck?

I'm so confused about this. Like this is the kind of thing that like makes me wonder if it's a simulat Do I do I live in a simulation like did his it was his ear just clipping and then like the odors the actual pictures I know there was blood and I'm not gonna get into conspiratorial shit either But I know we saw pictures of blood right after he'd been shot But did we I mean why was somebody not there with like a like a triple exuberant camera like the shit you use when you're doing Safaris, you know nature documentaries Pruder captured the Kennedy assassination in the 60s

When every goddamn person in the world has like a cinema quality camera in their pocket, okay This was a weird after it happened. I was like very much like yeah, no someone definitely shot I'm like he wasn't blading or anything. I don't think it was staged But but like now it's like okay his ear is fine like that's really bizarre to me And then the second thing is someone pointed this out in our patreon comments there was a picture on the front page of the New York Times after it happened of the bullet whizzing through the air a camera managed to capture this bullet and Someone was pointing out in our comments, and I don't know if this is true or not

But like they were saying that like no modern camera that like a journalist would use would be able to capture a bullet In the way that this photo did like you know what I'm saying like yeah They're using the camera that James Cameron used for avatar I'm sure bro. Oh, I guess so and so that made me I was like wait what the fuck yeah I guess that is a good when I said that I don't know anything about cameras, so I mean yeah Maybe it's just possible that it's Too quick to even be picked up by you know well No, I think the point is it's like you don't have to capture a bullet to like get jfk's head exploding on camera

Like that's well, that's true, too. Yeah, I guess if trump would have got his wig split We'd have had more footage of that. So that's a good point. Yeah, you're right. My comparison kind of falls apart It's not a one-to-one I don't know. I I I just feel a big part of the kamala I I I just feel a big part of the Kamala Enthusiasm and this includes everyone from like former Bernie people who are like coconut-pilled to even the most like Hillary Clinton like lib I feel like a big part of the enthusiasm is premised on the idea that she will definitely win now That like they've got it sewed up the Trump years are over. It's hope and change

win now that like they've got it sewed up the Trump years are over it's hope and change 2008 the Bush years are over just like you know the Trump years are over just like the Bush years were over then it is kind of an interesting thing when you think about it that way too like Biden was basically a second Trump administration is they're in power for the second half of the Trump years I know I know basically I know. Right, basically, basically, basically. Well, this is why they might... But spiritually, we consider it still the Trump years.

This is why they might wind up fucking themselves, because it truly is not enough for Biden to step down from the campaign. He has to literally step down from the presidency, because they will allow Israel to do whatever the fuck they want, including starting a regional war. And if that happens, I feel like that very much redowns to Trump. You know what I'm saying? Right, right, right. It's funny you say that, Terrence, because here's what I thought, okay?

And here's why there was kind of like a spark of optimism about the Harris-Waltz thing for me, until the way she dressed down the protesters in Michigan last week was because, and this is like a very dark reason to have any kind of hope, but I thought the rationale of keeping Biden there was almost to say to Netanyahu and Israel, like, okay, you've got three months basically to wrap this up because we're going to have to take like a stronger approach to this because this is like becoming a black eye to us you know like whatever yeah but I don't

think that's true they don't they don't even care that much obviously well I think I think too like that a lot of people are attaching it's it is kind of like Obama in 2008 Right where I don't know it's not a one-to-one But and you can do this with any politician sure but Obama especially Was useful for this like people would kind of fill him fill him as if he was an empty vessel Oh, you know what I'm saying of all of the things that they wanted or thought were going to happen even if he had never said any of these things explicitly, you know, and I feel like it's the same thing with Kamala, where it's like people on the left that were

coconut-pilled and said that she would have a better response to Gaza, you know, a better response to Israel than Biden would have had. Like, what would make you think that, you know? She had never, I guess... Can we just say... Go ahead, go ahead. Can we just say too, I don't mean to catch you up, I just want to point out just how, as a practical matter, how much of a goddamn unforced error that was. To me, this election season has been this. You get this huge bump, Trump in the case of the shooting and everything that went with that, and then you immediately book in that with an unforced error, putting JD Vance on

the ticket. Kamala Harris gets the whole base re-energized and excited by naming like a nominally, you know, principled reformist type, what I call a Paul Wellstone prairie-crat type, that, you know, at least gestures towards like the Bernie voters. It gets this big bump, still got this big bump in the polls even though it's not been reflected in the Vegas odds. And then bookends that with going to a state that you have to carry, not only just the Arab vote, but like the Palestinian vote.

There are Palestinians there, protesters there, who you were telling to shut up properly, you know? You were telling to shut up. And also too, you got the biggest Iraqi population outside of Baghdad in suburban Detroit, Dearborn, those areas. That's still present in their mind, obviously. You know what I mean? These are people you have to court and bring back into the fold after you've fucking aided and abetted the murder of their fucking families. Listen, man. Okay. I just-

And you're're gonna still take That arrogant fucking approach to it, dude. Look man people people were you know, it's not it's not it's not a It's not just like kind of amateurish or weakness or anything like that or a moment of frustration I said like I said on Twitter I think it's indicative of her actual policy views and the way that she'll deal with the left right and the way she'll deal With the foreign policy I just don't I think that if you're that kind of quick and visceral to react to these people like that You know and I think you know not to say that Biden treated protesters any better

I mean he sanctioned the fucking cops beating their asses on college campuses But people kept passing showing around his video Which I would mostly attribute to the fact that Biden just doesn't have any fire left in him to even get that upset but you know he was like kind of being a little bit more placating I guess to these protesters right I mean the point is that I I think that whether it's Biden or whether it's Kamala that they have one singular response right to Gaza and that's rooted in the fact that they don't see Palestinians as people as you always say Terrence It's fucking true, you know

And it's also attributable to like it's and I think telling that the three VP finalists, right? Like well really the four VP finalists all of them have some sort of checkered relationship to dissent and protest You know what? I mean two of, including the one that got picked and our governor, Andy Beshear, who was not a finalist, but he was kind of on the shortlist and ended up on the outside looking in. Both of them called in National Guard on protesters during Breonna Taylor and George Floyd protests. All right. Shapiro and Kelly saying all this stuff about carrying the tale about all these Palestinian protesters were funded by Iran and The Klan and shit like that all that kind of shit. Yeah, like it's telling like what kind like like like I Understand how it can be tantalizing to get like a little taste of

like a social Democrat on a major ticket and how like that we can like kind of feel like Nostalgic about the Bernie period or think that things can get better but we have to be honest and candid and engaged with the fact that they are just telling us that like we're not going to back down on the Palestinian question and also too if you get too like loud about it we're just going to like infantilize you and shut you down or even worse like jail you. All right. Can I bring up one more thing, man?

Just one more thing. Just like, just want to say that people kept saying that, well, she met with organizers and protesters before that. I'm not sure from what organization and it's like, dude, yeah, that's what they fucking do, man. They meet up with you before that with the hopes that either you don't like, you know, start a ruckus at the rally and also just a plague hatred. You know what I mean?

Like that's just something they do. Now will they ever get that meeting? Probably probably. I mean, I know they won't. Well, maybe, maybe. I mean, Terrence brought that up to me the other day. And when we were talking, Terrence, you were saying like, actually, no, if you raise concerns, they probably will meet with you.

But they are interested in doing like surface level like gestures and calling that politics, but Where i'm at on all this is that? All that aside like I I am not even interested in pressuring them to change any of their approach to policy And it is I don't think that they chose waltz over Shapiro because of uncommitted or from any pressure. I mean, I'm sorry, I know that that is very deflating and probably disappointing for people to hear, and maybe you can disagree, but I just don't see it. I genuinely think they chose Waltz

because like I was telling Tom the other day, it's just weird. If I'm looking at this from a purely focus group standpoint, you don't want like two good-looking ambitious Obama types on a ticket like it's just off-putting. You're just you're almost getting into scaring the hose territory You're almost like yeah, like I just I'm feeling threatened right now I you know what I mean like you need an older comforting the geezers. You know yeah exactly

That's it and that's that's who votes. There's old people It's like That's a big part of it. I don't think that they caved any pressure. I don't think it has to do with like Shapiro Covering up for like what was obviously like I ask you about that. Oh, no I don't think that they give a shit about any of that really I mean granted that probably did factor into it to Your story is pretty fucking insane. But I mean, I don't know. Would it turn people off?

Would it turn people off? Probably fucking not. I mean, it's, I think at the end of the day, like I don't think, I think it had way more to do, you're right, with optics, with that, with the baggage he brought in, rather than like any pressure on Palestine. And I'll tell you why.

I genuinely think, and we have worked around this for months, but like truly, the United States, like the government, the state, what we call the state, the empire, has been so close to Israel. Like they've basically enabled like they've been they have they basically Enabled everything they've done for so long that they have fully internalized all of the racial ideology of Israel and

You get to the point and I said this on Twitter And like I had people pushing back on me, but like genuinely the Democrats, they do not see Palestinians as humans. I don't even say that in an epic way, in a meme way, in a gotcha way. I'm saying it literally, they are basically Andrew Johnson. They literally look at Palestinians as not human beings. And I was talking with David Grossman about this last night actually, and he brought up a really good point

that you even see the same racial ideologies replicated with Palestinians that you did with black Americans in the 1800s. Literally, they tell them, oh, you can just send them somewhere else. Just send them somewhere else. There's all these other Arab states they can go to, just send them somewhere else. They did all these other Arab states. They can go to just send them somewhere else

They did this exactly the same exact That was the deal with Rafa right yeah, then they just started bombing Rafa exactly also to I just think Just just as example how they don't see them as other people the whole mass rape You know committed by Hamas right that had that had galvanized right this fucking genocide And now we have a whole entire fucking country right you know, committed by Hamas, right? That had galvanized, right, this fucking genocide, and now we have a whole entire fucking country, right? You know, that these people, the Knesset, or even this is, the soldier who had raped, right,

this Palestinian was on a fucking TV program, right, debating about whether or not, and no one is fucking- The ethical dimensions of that, like, that should be okay, yeah, that is- And nobody, none of these candidates will ever be asked about that No one will ever be asked about that those don't be no roundtable discussions right in the United States on morning news programs about how? Insane and depraved this is what the fuck because they don't see them as people well That's also connected to that I mean to just kind of shore up that metaphor a little bit

That's also connected to this thing we talked about all the time is a Very American attribute is to gloss over those things It's the same reason we have Nathan Bedford Forest Middle Schools all over places like Mississippi and Tennessee This is why I'm I and I know like I'm not saying people shouldn't do this I think people should do this me personally. I am over trying to pressure them to change And I'll tell you why. This country's governing principles are so wholly anti-Palestinian in every conceivable way that I cannot even, I can't even like conceptualize the idea of a Democrat coming around to this.

And that's why, like for me, I can't even get on board Fucking whoever you put on the fucking VP ticket like whatever nice things they did Whatever it doesn't matter to me if you have a D next to your name You might as well have a fucking third Reich uniform in your closet. It's the same shit Next year if you're truly serious, this is sorry. This is the demating line. Take the fucking D out of your name. It's done, man. And I said this on fucking Twitter. This is the primary contradiction. Like, what I mean by that,

and I compared it to slavery and people took issue with that, I don't mean it like literally, it's the same thing as what chattel slavery was. You don't mean the political, you're not comparing the political economy, right? No. Those sorts of issues, right? I'm saying, and this is the thing, this is what I get from reading Black Creek Instruction,

and you get this. Du Bois goes out of his way to say that, like, from the beginning, the founders knew slavery was wrong. And they kept kicking the can further and further down the road. They kept stalling. They kept saying like, no, we'll just deal with it later. We'll deal with it later. They knew that actually confronting it would mean transitioning to a capitalist republic.

Out of this like, slaveocracy, this oligarchy, this agrarian, Jeffersonian type thing. And they just kept stalling on it. They kept pushing it off. You get the Compromise of it off. You get the compromise of 1850. You get fucking Bleeding Kansas, free soil movement and everything. They kept appeasing. They kept compromising to the South, to the deep South. Jim Crow, that's why you got Jim Crow. Yeah, well Jim Crow is like after.

I know, I know, but I'm talking about that was the shadow of this thing. You know what I mean? Well right, right you know right right well into like our Parents lifetime and I think the point the point is and this is why John Brown was kind of ahead of his time Or this is why John Brown did what he had to do he saw with perfect clarity that this was the primary contradiction, right? That is the case with Israel and Palestine. They knew it was wrong from the start. We've talked about this for months. The same reason... It's the reason why Israel was not required to have a fucking constitution. They knew they would have to fucking define who was a human being and who wasn't. When they let them into the UN. We have known from the beginning how wrong this is.

How fucked up it is, how immoral it it is and it has become the linchpin of the post World War two global order and Especially the post-soviet union global order and we have now internalized so deeply the racial ideologies of it That that we are at the point now where Israel is our new deep south that is the Confederacy man That is where the Confederacy went to that's the Confederacy of the 20th century That like that's that is our Deep South now and people say oh, it's a different country like why would you care so much? It's not the primary contradiction. Well. It's the way the fucking or Empire was organized post World War two and if we're are a declining Empire you have to have some way to Transition out of that and I hate to fucking break it to you but it's going to be along the lines of the

primary contradiction which is this. And you know you know how you resolve that man that's that's such a good point dude how you resolve it too is like you have these transfer programs right you have this kind of transfer of like a police and surveillance state you know what I mean this kind of like this this vicious cycle whether it's like the Gili program in Georgia where cops train in Israel and come back and use those same tactics. I mean, whether it's, I think what police chief was it?

I think the police chief, when Breonna Taylor got killed, right, was one of those people that had taken those trips, you know? I mean, just all of the technology that's used in Palestine and then brought back to communities here to police and surveil You know cops in America trained by the F. Yeah Yeah, it's it's a thing man I don't know like I said that and I had people saying like well

I'm a Democrat and I see Palestinians as human beings. It's like well your party doesn't I'm sorry if you do you have to get out I'm sorry, and I don't have an answer for where you go instead. I am not like, I cannot provide that answer. The working class has to articulate it. A fucking dumbass podcaster, I cannot provide the answer. I can say though, that the Democratic Party is dead. And I don't mean literally.

They could probably continue on for another thousand years. They're pretty viable, but it's to, yeah, yeah, yeah. But like, as an ideological vehicle for changing Not even for making people's lives better that may be true in the short run But in the long run they have proven that they do not understand what's at stake And that's the thing like you can bargain with it all you want you can sit around and say like well in the short term I like at least we'll do this, at least we'll do that, at least we'll protect some rights.

That is not, fucking Gavin Newsom was at a homeless encampment yesterday morning. Throwing people's belongings. Yeah, throwing people's belongings in a fucking car, dude. This is who they are. And I'm not just saying that as some sort of gotcha to get faves, I am telling you, read Black Reconstruction, read Du Bois, this is who you're dealing with.

You are dealing with people who have fundamentally internalized the idea that some people are not humans and are expendable, whether they're Palestinians, they're homeless, they're migrants at the border. That will infect every other part of their policy platform And that's the thing about like this waltz guy in which I find so like deeply amusing and it's like so dark in a way Too it's like the guy does seem like a genuinely good principal Stocks he has very avuncular energy you know well, that's the thing like everybody was

Pointing at like oh, he doesn't have any stocks. He has none of this is like yeah He's a good person, and that's what makes this an American story They will fucking go to fucking DC like get his soul corrupted This is one of Bob Dylan another Minnesota figures that real American still a real American story man. I just like yeah No, it's just like it's like that black mole That we saw growing in JK Rowling's apartment or whatever Her castle and it's just like the way that like it will just corrupt you right like when you go I mean, I don't know man

I just feel like like even if you go there with the best intentions It is the it is like the environment that surrounds you, that kind of ecosystem of compromise. Just realizing that even if you have protesters and organizers who push these people, at the end of the day, in the long term, as you were saying, Terrence, can they actually not even just make people's lives better, but just keep the fashion at bay, keep this whole thing together and prevent it from crumbling?

No, I don't fucking think so, man, no. It's just they can't even operate within that space because it doesn't allow that window of opportunity, those possibilities, you know what I mean? I suspect shit at the global level will force their hand Eventually like I and again I I the Democratic Party could survive for another 1,000 years I'm sure they probably can as long as they're fucking idiots out there who will give them like five dollars every week

Like they'll probably continue as well and that's the thing as long as they're buffoons like Tim Waltz That's another thing like this guy's a fucking moron It's just like yeah, he's a is he a good person that doesn't matter It does not matter if you're a morally good person that none of that matter there were morally good people Who are like fucking? middle of the road like Anti-slavery, but like also race is too many rights though Yeah, it's none of that man Hey slower transit, you know, we need to ease into Sliding down, you know, we've been easing into this for 200 goddamn years

Yeah Yeah, I just I don't know man. I just I also I just want to say a good man I just think what people need to realize is that like You know like and I know people on the left understand this but sometimes I don't really think that they'd like internalize it It's like you can't you you you can't assume that these people are just going to do the right thing Because there's enough pressure from you right you as I joked about was not even I mean you I'm not saying you don't have power, right? But you don't have anything to offer them. You know what I mean? Like even if you want to talk about votes or anything like that, they can just fucking go chase after like moderates and Republicans, right? Which is what they already fucking do, you know? They can chase after that median voter, right? You know?

Like I think people just got to internalize that you just can't, you can't see these people as an empty vessel right because people talk about Using politicians as tools right now man. They're fucking using you dog. You know what I'm saying I don't know now. How do you flip that relationship? You know I mean there's many ways I'm not gonna sit here and just like I don't fucking know but just the idea that you just assume that these people are going To do the right thing you know I'm not I just don't know why you think that because they're good people because they're better I don't I don't understand that man I'm not even asking people to like Not vote for Democrats or to vote for Democrats or or to start a third party or any of that shit

I'm not asking for anything concrete. I am asking you just at an interpersonal level Reorient your brain towards the Revolutionary demand that has been on the table since October 7th and then proceed accordingly. That's all I'm asking. Because this is the thing, once October 7th happened, the fucking drain, the plug in the drain was pooled and we are all now in it.

You cannot resist, no matter how much you want to deny it or rationalize it to yourself We have been in in it for ten fucking months I don't fucking end with no end in sight dude. I mean look we went from we went from you know ten months ago People not we but people questioning whether Israel bombed a hospital not and now we have a rapist on Israeli TV You know like like like like like actually justifying why that's the case You know what I'm saying and like the way that it's just rat just degenerated over the past ten months There's with no fucking end in sight. It's it really is and I hate to keep just making this fucking analogy But it truly is like 19th century America. It's like the deep south like you can read all the press you want and they're gonna say the most racist, dehumanizing shit ever, but in the north it's like they're trying to kind of like, hey, you know, like we're, you know, they're, they're

people, right? Like it's, you know, right? It's the same thing. It's like Israeli media is just like, let's have a rapist on and have him like explain why what he did is okay. And in American media They're like well surely there's some reasons for why he had to do that right? It's fine Let's get into some weird orientalist stuff where it's oh, that's just how things are done over there Do things there and these parts and then their parts I am I am net and Yahoo saying y'all away from like my head blowing on my shoulders like scanners

Like just to like it's like if he did that There would be no coming back for me Y'all would visit me in a home somewhere in 20 years and I would just be staring off in the distance just like even Pudding cups, you know what? I joked about design is using a I need pudding cups. You know what? I joked about the Zionist using AAVE, you know what I'm saying? Like African American vernacular, you know what I mean?

When that would happen, I would just walk into the sea. But I'm gonna be honest with you, dog. Like Kamala Harris, right? Cause I mean, she's a Zionist, right? And just the fact that people are using this like auntie thing, Kamala Harris is my mom, and just like, yes, queen. It's just like, dude, to me, that is, I mean, just the same way that Obama is the black

face of this white empire is so fucking demonic, you know? I mean, and just the fact that I feel like we're going back to like Hillary Clinton 2016 shit where people were like, well, they're talking over a woman. It's a woman. It's just like, dude, what you people are arguing about the stupidest fucking identity part not even that's not even identity politics, dude That's just stupid. You know, that's just like not understanding. I mean, I don't even you know What made my head explode this week was? After the waltz thing was announced people were like you go Nancy. You've earned yourself some insider trading

Bro, bro, you guys you guys are fucking peasant mentality. Peasant mentality. Rehabilitating them through epic memes is like, that's like, dude, we saw that happen with George W. Bush, a man that genocided two million Iraqis, and now he's this, you know, to some people in the liberal imagination, he's just a little painting granddad.

You know what I mean? Like, no, no, no, what you need to do is Aldo Reign at the end of Inglourious Basterds. He's just a little painting granddad What you need to do is Aldo rain at the end of the glorious bastards But they need to wear that sign on their forehead no matter where they go the rest of their life Brother this country needs to fucking die because I don't think that like people in this country Even them on the left can like conceive of politics as anything other than like blue team red team You know what I'm saying? As like, again, thinking that you can push these people in any sort of direction, you know what I mean? When it's just clear that they do not give a shit about you, yo.

This is the thing, alright? I have a platform for better or for worse, and the only thing I can do with that is just to tell people, like, these are the stakes, okay? And I truly believe that if you are, if you want to end the genocide, if any of this means anything to you, and furthermore, just beyond any of that, if you want to make anybody's life better, you have to fundamentally understand that this country's governing principles are anti-Palestinian in every conceivable way. And that's why you have to like, this is what I mean. I think that like after October 7th, the bluff was called, man. We've been saying

that for months, but the bluff has been called. check has come due It is time to finally reckon with the thing that no one wanted to reckon with for 80 fucking years Just like slavery or whatever it is now before us, and I mean I'm even dog there was a fucking Press release from the UN this week You and human rights office in Palestine horrified by pattern of Israeli strikes on schools in Gaza and use of lethal force in the West Bank This but that was this week. They're hitting con unis again for like the fourth fucking time. Hey, what do we see? What do we see Kamala's like was a foreign policy aid or some shit like that tweet out about she does not support an arms embargo On Israel and supports Israel's right to defend itself. So what the fuck are y'all talking about?

You know what I'm saying? Just thinking that and even again to push her, yo, what do you have to offer her, man? Votes? She doesn't give a fuck about your votes, bro. Well, something else that I noticed happens too. This happened, I mean, you know, all three of us can kind of speak to this, but, you know, I don't know how it is in Georgia or New York area where you've been, but like here, when during elections, okay, the Democrats are so adept at deputizing the whole NGO sort of left and like everybody's sort of on a

tentacle. I count myself amongst them. I'm not like saying like, oh, these people are like dumb libs and I'm so noble. Okay. But what I am saying is that like, I have noticed that the the Lex for Palestine protests have gotten thinner and thinner and thinner and have gotten to like a trickle because of the energy behind Harris Waltz. Somebody who at the top of that ticket just scolded those self-same people who were doing that stuff, you know, weeks ago in bigger numbers and stuff like that and there is like that is one of those consequences of like election rate and

again I'm like Terrence I'm not saying what you should do or not do or anything like that okay if you think a harm reduction vote is the way to fly on this and you punch win for Harris-z, that's totally fine. What happened with Terrence is like, you have to have like a kind of see what's going on here in those same ways because I saw that the other day and I'm just like, oh, okay, so I don't know if that's like an intended consequence, but if at the very least it's like this is sucking a lot of the energy out of like the primary concern which should be you know the thing that if it is allowed to happen and it's already happening I mean we can't like you can't put the genie

back in the bottle with this really you know I mean it's like you know it's like you know you've thousands and thousands thousands people dead. And now it's like, like you have this money to class, this fundraising organ that's masquerading as a political party, like further sucking the cadre out of that. Like that can't be like, you know, not, I'm not saying you can't do multiple things at once,

but I'm saying like that, there has to be some intention behind. Let me I think what you're saying is I My first thought when they added waltz to the ticket was I this is just a pattern I've noticed with the Dems for fucking at least four years six years now my first thought was like well, they have always needed people to pound the pavement and go knock doors in canvas and The left is the only people still the left is the only people that are even good at it and want to do it Like you're not having brunch libs go out and knock doors for fucking come on No, don't a money sure they'll write little postcards and charge you for not voting framing my graph, but yeah

I'm just well I just want to make it I just want to make it clear and like I I There's this part in black reconstruction where Frederick Douglass like goes to the White House to meet with Andrew Johnson and like the spring of 65 like right before Lincoln gets his top blown off and Like like Frederick Douglass like goes into this meeting like kind of it like excited he's like okay Andrew Johnson's this guy from Tennessee like he's like a southern populace like his whole thing is like breaking up the slaveocracy like going after the aristocracy you know championing the poor white man and like Frederick Douglass meets this guy in

like over the course of this meeting Andrew Johnson just keeps talking about like race war and like Frederick Douglas like leaves this meeting and he has like a fucking mr. Krabs like spinning me moment where he's like fuck dude like this guy He is a straight-up racist And like so horrifying I just have to say how hard five that is yeah He's sitting there with this man who has his power He's there talking about a race war, and you're coming there from some sort of,

some south, some end to this madness. Some middle ground you can find. Some middle ground, yeah. But also too, go ahead, Darren, I'm sorry. I was just gonna say, and I think my point is that Andrew Johnson is the premier example of this. If you have in your heart hatred for another group of people people like you have you do not see them as human it will eventually come to poison Everything else about you once rubber hits the road. We've seen that with Biden this happened with Andrew Johnson

After over the course of his career he even abandoned the poor white worker He even started to come to actually rehabilitate the slaveocracy. This is the thing, once his principles were pushed on it, his hatred, his racial ideology in his heart then became poison for everything else he believed. Well you hate black people so much, you hate white people too? That is the thing, dude. By the end of his career, he had abandoned all of his principles on everything. And that is my warning. That is it. We've already seen it with Biden.

You don't have to know how it will go with Kamala. Granted, it might buy us some more time. It might not. I don't know the future. I'm just saying that going forward, I think that as the empire declines at our fucking economy has been structured around the fucking post-world war two settlement around around our empire I think this is the this is the issue that will be the

membrane through which we pass into the new the new future whatever America looks like after that and you have to ask yourself Does that do I want to go into that new future with the leaders being people who? will personally Go down to a homeless encampment and clear it out who personally like will go harass a street vendors in New York about Being Arab you know I'm saying like this is

Tell them all the sick fucking things that they did while they were working for the intelligence. Yeah, I just I don't I don't Again make you can do the harm reduction thing whatever that's not what I'm arguing I'm personally beyond it, but if that is your your bag then go for it like I don't care I'm not gonna argue with it, but you know I'm just saying that like in the long term. We need to seriously start thinking about how to Instantiate our fucking beliefs and values in something else. That's all I'm saying Yeah, yeah, and just start thinking about that. know, it's funny when like all the criticism for Kamala's sort of getting short with the protesters in Detroit thing happened the Democratic retort was well

Why don't you why are they not doing that at Trump and vans? Which kind of speaks to the idea that they feel Trump is still in power. I'm Trump still their dad Right, right, right. It's like why why wouldn't you think they would you're the one that you're in power. Trump's still their dad. It is. Right, right, right. It's like, why wouldn't you think they would? You're the one that- You're in power! You're in power right now, motherfucker! But because they have this chronic, this pathological aversion to power,

to exercising power, you know? They just have to hand it off to somebody else. It's not, I don't even know if it's that, so much as it's like... It would be like if John Kerry won in 2004 right and Obama still had to come on the scene and be like we need to beat we need to be Bush right yeah I think it's I just think it's a and I am we've pointed this out for months I think it's just kind of indicative of a more widespread

feeling among liberals of like fear and Almost like they're being healthy. Yeah helplessness, right? Like they're almost like sort of being held hostage by the circumstances and and I know that like it's weird to say that now Like that was painfully obvious two months ago But now it's like they've managed to get Biden to step down. They got Harris to step in. They even added Waltz, who is this seemingly forward-thinking guy. And so it's easy to think that, okay, maybe they have maneuvered out of that fatalism. And I think that they, for a short term, they may be able to do that. You could even look at Obama as a similar figure in that way.

But I don't know, man. We haven't even gotten into the Waltz stuff yet, but I mean, genuinely, him being added to the ticket was my biggest fear. I was so Blackfield man, so accelerationist, I was kind of hoping they would pick Shap Shapiro just so that people would be like oh, well Okay, this is this political vehicle is dead like there's no way for it You know what I'm saying, but like dude they are now going to be able to successfully like rehabilitate and

recuperate that whole thing and Well, it's got when well Scott a pick man, I like almost fell into like a depression You know, you know me I remember times you had hit me up I was like, dude I'm just like kind of black bill about this man because it was just weird to see like People who had and I'm not saying you can't do two things at one time, right? But just as you were saying that this being the main contradiction, right? I mean Gaza being some sort of like, you know

Even if you want to look at it like as a scrimmage, right, for the future, right? You know, like in a new order, like, you know, I just saw people just celebrating as if like you weren't just like posting for the past 10 months about like, you know, videos and photos of dead and dying Palestinians and starving Palestinians, you know, and just this idea that like, like I said, man, this country needs to die because it's not only kind of like the way we conceive of politics, but it's also like, even among the left, I don't think people really give a shit about anybody outside of the United States, right? Well, yeah, and it's just, I know that's a really simplistic thing to say, but I just don't understand how you could see those images in those pictures. Sure, go vote, but celebrate,

you know what I'm saying? With coconut and palm tree emojis, make memes out of it. What the fuck are you celebrating, dude? Here's the thing that I think about it. I think it is that part of it is that Trump has been cast as such a bogeyman, like in our still, as much as we want to fight the tide against it, liberal imagination, you know? And I think that people think that like, well, if there's a scintilla of chance, we know Biden's not going to correct course. He's just going to go to his gray fucking Israel, Israel, Israel. But if there's a scintilla, I hope that Kamala would change course on this to some degree.

And I had kind of the opposite reaction. I was sort of like, well, this is a great turn. I wasn't going so far as to say that we had caused that as the left, like some people say, and I didn't think that we had forced their hand on anything. But what I did think was that like, well, better to have somebody like Tim Walz in there than like Andy Beshear or Shapiro or, you know, Mark Kelly, whoever. And then when I started putting that under scrutiny a little bit, I was still like, man,

okay, still, I don't want to like, because I don't want to be a miserable person that just wants Trump to win and blah blah blah, all that stuff. I certainly don't want to be characterized as that. But then the more you look at it under scrutiny, it's like, this is like a serious sort of ... If he's like this principled reformist politician like we think he is, it's a serious misstep I think to tie your legacy to this, which to some degree he already had. By all indications, he's been friendly to Israel for a while. As is they rigor in American politics. You have to, again, it's not negotiable.

That's the US state's position. It's America. It's America. Hold on, wait, wait, wait. Just to add to what you said, Tom. Look at Cori Bush, who fucking lost her race, right? Look at Jamal Bowman. Look at what you said in the message.

The fact that these well-intentioned people who could actually, actually want to make people's lives better and believe that this is the vehicle through which they can do that got pushed the fuck out by APAC, dog, in historic spending. Come on, dog. Yeah, yeah. And then so like, you know, you go down like, that's like under scrutiny. It's just like, man, this is, and then it was underscored for me when, when Kamala did the unforced error at the thing.

You know? Jay King has a pretty good piece out in the New Yorker this week about who is Kamala Harris. And it's like, it is funny that like, she hasn't even told us who she is. You know what I mean? And like, I know like some people that might call me a naysayer for that point might be like, well, she hasn't even accepted the nomination officially, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, whatever. It's like, okay, well, the convention's this week, everybody knows that's the ticket, like, who is she?

You know, like, they're not even interested in doing politics. And that, for me, that, for me, is what really brought it home, because I was telling Terrence, and I was like, they don't even, like, politicians, you see, like, John Edwards, even, his dumb ass, even came to Eastern Kentucky, even when, like, they don't even like politicians, John Edwards even, his dumb ass even came to Eastern Kentucky, even when like Kentucky wasn't even a state they could win.

You know what I mean? But they used to campaign as just the course of things. And now they don't. Like they hold these big rallies, like get like, you know, Megan Thee Stallion or whoever's like popular at the time to do these things, to like all these celebrities to tweet about them, whatever,

and then the fundraising starts churning. It wasn't 24 hours later that Tim Walz, they put his name on these emails, these texts, da-da-da-da, send, we saw that you donated an average of $28 to the Bernie Sanders campaign. Can you do this, can you do this? Just as a practical matter, and this is a very Pollyannaish thing to say,

I can see that up front, but like, if campaigns are raising like, all these record money, why can't you come to where I'm from, and just pay lip service to it? You know what I mean? Because it's not about that. You know, it was never about any of that.

It is about- There's no mechanism, yeah, there's no mechanism, and this is why I kind of don't think that they did this in response to any pressure. It was never about any of that. There's no mechanism. Yeah, there's no mechanism. And this is why I kind of don't think that they did this in response to any pressure. There's never been any mechanism in the Democratic Party to like actually exert any pressure on them to respond to what you need and want.

They, from the beginning, this was the whole thing with Biden. They were just saying, this is what you get. And that's the kind of, and that's what scares me about the Waltz thing. It's like, that was not a result of pressure. That was a result of them trying to head off by the pass in a kind of like left challenge

in the way we saw them do in 2020 and 2016. Even in 2008, like that was Obama's whole fucking shtick. Also too, Tom, I wanted to say, you're so right where Kamala has not said, she's not given any explicit concrete plan She hasn't really run on anything yet. But um, you know, it's like it's like that's why she's like the perfect Democrat right like kind of in Obama right because You can just kind of paste on all these things that you think the Democratic Party would do all the things that you want Meanwhile, they're really doing all the fucking heinous shit like sending bombs to Israel, right? You know, keep keep business running as usual, you know, but you can just kind of fill

them up as a vessel with all the things that you want them to do, even though they're not going to fucking do it or I won't do it. I even did that with Bernie. Yeah, yeah, I mean, we did it. I did with Bernie too. And Bernie was light years. Yeah, light years better than either of them, yo. But yeah, but it's about the point stands, man. It is true. It is like, you know, to draw the Obama comparison, his biographer, who had spent years with him by his side in the White House, said of the whole experience of his, like his characterization of Obama as a man and as a politician, he said, there's just nothing

there. You're the two-term president, you've supposedly done, there's just nothing there. And that's true. Like, if this is like, and at least rhetorically, it is like trying to draw on Obama era sort of feelings of hope and change. Okay? Obama era sort of feelings of hope and change. Yeah. Okay. Even so much as to get like a charismatic like older white guy on the ticket with you, right? Like there is just, there is less than nothing here.

Like if we're being honest with ourselves about it, you know what I mean? Like what we are is desperate to end the Trump years. Okay. desperate to end the Trump years. Okay? And also too, like just like maybe hoping against hope that there's a chance that there's going to be a change of course in Palestine. Right? And I believe that like politics is essentially about things getting better. So like, I don't even need like, you know, some sort of like revolutionary layout plan to like vote for. That's not going to happen here.

That's just not what this people are. That's what Terrence has been saying. I don't need any of that to vote. Like if I thought there was like, you know, like chances for things to get better. But they're also just not offering anything in that regard either. There's just nothing there. I think and the thing is, and I just wanna make it painfully clear,

or just perfectly clear, cause like both of you brought this up. It's not that like I think Palestine, it's not that like for me, this is true trumps all else. I mean, it does, yes, personally, like in the sense that like my life already is not great The rent keeps going up my town got destroyed by a flood Etc etc like granted my life could be way worse. I'm not trying to fucking bitching a plane

I've got a pretty nice life out of everybody on the globe but like It's not that this issue trumps every other issue, that it comes first before every other issue. Rather, it is that it is, like I said earlier, it is the primary contradiction from a structural position, from a structural standpoint, around which everything else sort of revolves. And honestly, I think you could even make the case because I've always thought about that like house that I would always see driving to gate city in

Tennessee where that had the Israeli flag and the Confederate flag, like the Filipino flag and the Tennessee volunteer flag. Yeah, I've always thought about that. There's even a way in which like the south was always the deep south in the 19th century was It played a very specific role in mediating the expansion of Empire and Westward expansion Like for example, they were trying to push poor white workers out of the deep south So that they would not come into literal social interaction with slaves and then realize, oh shit, our circumstances are really shitty too, we should band together with the slaves and overthrow.

So they were trying to expand America to kind of paper over that contradiction, and that's how you got the whole free soil, the bleeding Kansas situation. And honestly, a similar dynamic is kind of at play with Israel too. the bleeding Kansas situation. And honestly, a similar dynamic is kind of at play with Israel too, if you think of them that way. They are the sort of like mediating, like I said, membrane through which we both displace

our own contradictions, but also expand our imperial power. And if you look at it that way, like nothing that goes on there is distant or far away or whatever from America. And I mean, you don't even have to look at it like our tax dollars are going there, we're giving them weapons. There is even a reading of this that it infects our day-to-day social interactions and lives and racial ideologies and Like I said even how the major to bourgeois political parties Understand their different their distance from the working class. And so I think that like not that is it's not an abstract thing

It's not like something that goes on way over there that like oh, we're sending We're arming a genocide because I even get like kind of frustrated when I hear that line because like that almost implies that like oh we're sending we're arming a genocide because I even get like kind of frustrated when I hear that line because like that Almost implies that like oh if you just stop sending them weapons Then everything will just be fine because a that's not true B. We'll never stop sending them weapons It's so fucking like how it's herself confirmed when I herself but her aid confirmed yesterday, right? No, I think that like what goes on there is so central and you pointed this out Aaron earlier Like what goes on there is so central and you pointed this out Aaron earlier Like you did a good job of pointing this out earlier that what goes on there so central to how America?

reproduces at the social and economic level and political level that it can't just be something that like Will reform out of or we'll just talk about enough to pressure them. you have to have a literal upheaval in reconstruction of American politics foundational principles To the point that like that's the only to me that's the only way out of that and again I'm that is the way I see it You can proceed from there if you see it that way as well And if not then you know so so be it yeah yeah and I want to clarify too you know like as I've said but saying these past few episodes you know do whatever you want

man you know I'm not gonna think of I mean I don't give a shit I'm not gonna think of less than anyone I'm you know if they do vote I can't tell my mom for example whatever do whatever you do whatever you want to do but like as we said man just um just understand the stakes You know and and stop with the fucking memes dog and stop with the lionization celebrity shit. I will say that that's fucking annoying That is right you can you can you can say I'm gonna vote for this person, but you motherfuckers are early Yeah, you're leaning into fucking valorizing these people who are fucking Zionist fucking baby killers, bro Who are slow you know who's slaughters and you like just don't do that shit man

Nancy's earned her some insider training here and it's not even funny as like an ironic joke. It's not fucking funny Well, I'm watching Terence do the dances like If you saw the clip if you saw the clip of the If you saw the clip if you saw the clip of the Kamala Harris chattin your protesters there was a white woman in the corner doing that gesture She was she was giving her the sleigh queen The Nancy clamp man, I don't know it's It seems to me pretty obvious on the whole issue of Nancy Pelosi seems to me the pretty obvious the Dems are fucked When she's gone like she is if she is a monster like she is like you know, but she is like a fucking she's like

She's like Stalin. She's like a fucking She is an expert. She's very fucking good at what she does Did you hear what she said you see that? Impressed with how Joe Biden operated politically. Yeah, yeah, that's exactly what I was saying. The sitting president! She's a gangster dude! She's kind of his, yeah. Oh, shit.

Man. I don't know. I hate her, but she's cutthroat, man. I can't do whatever you fucking want, people. Do whatever you want, man. Just, uh, just contend. Yeah, just Just yeah again. It's not a podcast. It is not a podcast Role or requirement to tell you what to do, but I can tell you how to think that's what I'm trying to do It's all I'm trying to do is just tell you how to think

That it's not that is not the same thing as telling you what to do, okay? We're not both scolding anyone here. You know far beyond that actually yeah Well cowboy swimming though, let's get back to the important topics cowboy swimming. That's got Really do think we should try to train Mandatees or do gongs manatees slash do g, so we can put saddles on them and ride them. Dude, that would be so sick. It'd be like polo, yo! That would be sick, yeah.

That's the next frontier you're at. We're bringing in aquatic animals to do our aquatic sports with. Can I give you guys a little bit of a Doomer News, climate news, because I saw this earlier this week, and this was one of the things that broke me. I think I saw it the same day with the Waltz thing, which is why that confluence of this spectacle

versus the climate apocalypse, right? I saw the Great Barrier Reef is the hottest it's ever been in 400 years. So that's not, it's not like in a couple decades, it's like 400 years. Yeah. I mean, if I can't even go on a hike anymore without getting like almost heatstroke. I mean That's that's not good. I don't think that like 400 years ago

You know the indigenous were like unable to like go outside Because you know anything that's so fucking hot that's at least not in Kentucky maybe in like Death Valley California yeah but like fucking Kentucky where there's like supposed to be like four moderate seasons that's the wholesale on Kentucky I only bring that up because that means that we got to get on training the manatees and do longs quickly before they're gone You know that's true. We do need that Man all right. Well. I don't know anything anything else before we go No, just do whatever you want, but just understand the stakes man

Just I mean the daddy stuff was interesting people being like Tim once is like my comforting dad who it's like It's kind of like when people were like doing the Beto thing like Tim Beto is gonna make my calves cramp like he's gonna make me come so hard my calves cramp and then people are like Tim waltz is my daddy that like I never had just to get yo I mean it'll go to go but it's just like it's just we conceive of politics as buying a new brand of deodorant or buying a new phone We either a sports which winning sports team or it is completely on some like like, I don't know edible shit You know what I'm saying? Oh like Freudian almost shit where it's just something about us needing a daddy or a mommy

You know someone to soup at us on the head and soothe us and hold us in their arms and tell us that everything is Gonna be okay as the world burns outside You know, I think that's an expression of Imperial decline like there's no other explanation for it. Like that is just straight up. What's go what's operative there? Well, I you know another thing I'll add is that like as a man that bought several Bernie shirts You know during the course of that campaign. I'm going to go ahead and tell you right now, you do what you want. Get you a Waltz Harris hat if you want to, but I'm going to tell you that that hat's

going to age like worse than curdled milk. It's already, I'm going to tell you something, if you pre-ordered it's already past its expert, past its shelf life. Brother, I bought a, I've been a better a OC shirt bad a couple years ago You know because she used some like kind of highlighter orange that matched with a pair of air maxes I had and I was like, yo, this is tight, you know Always try to uh, you know, well at then and brother I am I don't know a couple months ago just went in re-yanked that shit out

You know didn't do nothing fantastic didn't do nothing crazy like burn it in on a on a dumpster or anything like that and watch The flames but um, you know this that that reminds me the hat reminds me the camo hat. I Wanted to bring this up Doesn't it kind of feel to you guys that this is like the rural? Election in a way that like I've never seen an election be big big just because I feel like a camo hat with Harris Waltz on it would have been unheard of like it would have been inconceivable under Obama Biden Clinton Kane Biden Harris like that's kind of an interesting thing

right maybe as that hunters for Obama like niche thing but like right this sort of central garment of this whole campaign. You know what I mean? It's becoming, yeah. No, no, dude, there's this whole kind of like, I'll just think aesthetic with fashion, right, where it's why you have a lot of people that wear Carhartt, even though they're not laborers, which I don't give a shit about that. I wear Jordans and I don't ball.

But I do think it's like a similar dynamic with gentrification, right? Like kind of like stealing working class valor and aesthetics, you know what I'm saying? While still like, eschewing any of those policies. I mean, it just looks cool because you look like you get your hands dirty. I think this goes back to what I said

on last week's episode, or maybe this was two weeks ago. But like, it gets at this idea that like, class is an identity that you can like, of put on and take off and I know that like we've talked about this for many years, but like It kind of shows just how degraded our understanding of class is at all That like the whole promise of Waltz is like Oh prairie populism He's gonna stand up for farmers and it's like Like I know the farmers haven't exactly had a great time since the farm

Crisis of the 70s and 80s, but also farmers aren't working class like like just by definition They are working class like they may work with their hands They may like be rough hewn of the earth But class working class is a relation you sell your labor and once you sell your labor You are working class. If you own a farm, that means several things. First of all, you own land, which is an incredibly difficult thing to do for anybody in this country.

It's proletarian, yeah. Yeah, it's actually more of like a historical thing. You usually got grandfathered land and inherited that. Literally, literally. Yeah, land is pretty much primarily passed down or centralized under like large corporate control But like you're not just an upstart like I'm gonna go buy some land and like all the farm Implements like you have to have massive amounts of capital to do that

That's partially why there was a farm crisis in the 70s and 80s because like banks were like lending way too much and then the whole fucking thing collapsed Once we start stop selling grain to Soviet Union or whatever. I mean it's Yeah, yeah that a farmer is not a working-class person. That does not mean that like you can't have some some large Movement like a farmer labor coalition or whatever, that's a whole other thing. It's just to say that like, this is just another example of how like our understanding of class is very bourgeois and fucking degraded. So I don't know. If I do see one of y'all wearing that Harris-Waltz hat, I'm snatching that shit.

No, I'm not gonna do that shit. I'm not gonna snatch it off your head. You can wear it as fuck. Yeah, I'm gonna give a shit. I have one camo hat and it says everything you like I've never do that shit. I'm not gonna snatch it off your head. You can wear it as fuck Yeah, shit It says everything you like I've never even heard of man Edgar made that it's still one of my favorites I wear that but you know Forty dollars too for a hat for that 40 dollars for a hat bro for that hat is pretty insane. Yeah

That's not supreme. What fuck you talking about dog? They sold yeah like an unheard of amount oh my god I'm gonna see so many of those shits in Atlanta, bro It's gonna be like some of the article like you remember the Bernie rage against the machine t-shirt Yeah, but there's things that strokes. It was that the strokes one No, it was like had Bernie's face on it said rage against the machine Okay, Bernie's face on it, Rage Against the Machine. Okay. Bernie's face on it.

And then there was the one, the one I had was Bernie Sanders with the minor threat sheep on it. Right. That was, there was all kinds of that stuff. And it's like, now that we lost and that's like, you know, that era has sort of been, you know, has passed us now. Like those, those artifacts are kind of cooler now than they were there a little corny.

That's the thing, if Harris Waltz win, and then inevitably probably continue doing the genocide, like those hats will age worse than Colonel DeMille. I mean, literally, it was when people with the coconut palm tree emojis, who I've been slowly seeing them take that shit out, you know what I'm saying? Because it's just like, see them take that shit out, you know You're doing the fucking thing you're doing the American thing stop fucking doing that. It's not your mom. It's not your dad

They are celebrities sure I mean kind of yeah They kind of are but you don't have to treat them like celebrities you have to fawn over these people man Or do whatever you fucking well that I mean, that's the thing like that. I Can understand the harm reduction vote like In in Kentucky, it's a foregone conclusion for me, right? Like this fucking state's gonna go for Trump So for me, you know But like come down to what's the good vote go ahead but but taking. It might come down to one single vote. Go ahead, Terry. But taking that a step further though and then going the whole I'm gonna get swaggy with her gear.

Good my god, man. I'm gonna put you in an Iron Maiden, bro. Bleak. Don't do that shit. Very bleak. Alright, let's get out of here. Thanks for listening this week everybody. If you'd like to go hear us talk more please go to patreon

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