Trillbilly Worker's Party - Episode 361: Biscoff Hijackers

Episode Date: October 3, 2024

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We are now. Okay. So as I was saying, Vic Firth, Ernie Ball, Les Paul, who are these guys? I don't know.

No sense in burning that one. No. Did we just have this conversation? Yeah, we didn't end up using it though. We didn't end up using it? No, we didn't end up using it though. We didn't end up using it? No, we can't we can't we can that ever how many unrecorded? I mean how many episodes have we recorded this year and haven't released there's gotta be like it's the highest amount we've ever had Doesn't feel

We had a whole bit about Ernie Ball less Paul and what was the third one? Big first big first. Yeah, who are these guys? You know we used to have now we have no first no no balls and no Paul That's exactly right. You said right Yeah, Ernie ball ain't walking through that door anytime soon. Sir, I knew Vic first. You sir? You sir? Or no Vic first? You sir or no Ernie Ball? Listen, I knew Ernie Ball. I served with Ernie Ball. You sir or no Ernie Ball? God damn it

Dude, I have to say one of the great one of the best developments of the last week or so is um On this show like I'm just gonna retire the Bob Dylan bit and just start reading off his tweets Like I'm just gonna retire the Bob Dylan bit and just start reading off his tweets Did you see his tweets the other day? It was something like it was something like Bob Newkirk I just find out Bob Newhart just that But he recommended some restaurant in New Orleans. He's like dookie Steve's restaurant

Best best best fried catfish I ever had and I've had a lot of. That killed me, dude. But I just found out Bob Newhart died. Like, Bob, he died three months ago. Yeah. Bob, you brought a lot of happiness to a lot of us. Oh.

Carrie Fisher. Perhaps you remember Princess Leia. I've just found out she passed away tragically. Like Bob, that was like six years ago. Like, is that what it is? Just be old, like you just find out like one of your friends Passed like three months ago You know what I'm saying like I think that is kind of what happens man like people just Just got the news Kathy died

Happy birthday, Mary Jo. See you in Frankfurt Posting like an old guy. Yeah, last time in New Orleans we ate at Dukie Chase's restaurant on the corner of North Mero in Orleans. If you're ever there, I highly recommend it. Why is he so funny? Bob Newhart. Just hearing the news Bob, let's see when Bob Newhart actually. I looked it up, it's July 16th.

Three months ago. I just heard my friend Bob Newhart. Like somebody just came and told him that. Man, our her Bob was like Man to who the only live show I'm interested in catching this year's Bob Newhart Who's gonna be the one to tell him Bob we have terrible news He's just shattered his face. Just as he's for Lauren. He's just like I just heard the news

Phil Donahue died I just heard the news Phil Donahue who some were calling the last free man in America I heard the news Mikhail Gorbachev died. RIP to a... He tried the Gazprom and Glass Nast. It wasn't enough to hold it together. I told him, I said, Mikhail, when you're starting to let Pizza Hut come in, it's the beginning of the end. It's a bad man, Boris Yeltsin. It's a bad man. Friend of the show Daniel Pujol told me a hilarious story one time.

So this is a true Bob Dylan story. This is a real American story. He had a guy in his band named Doug. I forget what his last name was Bob or pooch No, Bob, okay, they'll have a guy that's been named Doug pooch also knew through Nashville music stuff. Uh-huh And he said that in order for Bob to sometimes get the Gravelly, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah thing in his voice what he would do is, you know those Biscoff cookies they give you an airline flight. Oh do I?

Bob Dylan go out there Would eat a bunch of those for you get that go out It was like yeah, it kind of hangs around your mouth and stuff. He thought it gave you like a real fight graphically it kind of hangs around your mouth and stuff. He thought it gave you like a real like grappling draw. And he said that. One time they're playing, I think they said they're playing Newport, Rhode Island, the Jazz Fest or something up there.

He said that they were going on stage and Bob was just wolfing them down. And he said he turned and said, I want a cookie doggy. Ha ha ha ha. Wanna cookie doggy? So the secret sauce to the Bob Dylan show is Biscoff. He's eating a lot of Biscoff right before he goes on. Jesus he's probably been hoarding them shits for years.

Like they ask him on the plane. Can I get 12 of them? Can I get 12 Biscoff? Two's not enough to sate me. I won't tell your boss, give me all the Biscoff. Bob like hijacks airplanes for Biscoff cookies. They're calling him the Terror of the Skies. Give me all your Biscoff.

He sneaks box gutters onto the skies. Give me all your biscoff. Sneaks box cutters onto the plane. No, I wasn't going to hijack and sit into the towers. I just, I don't know where you find biscoff and this is the only way I knew how to get on. Like on 9-11, like Bob was on the plane with like Muhammad on to her. He was on the one of the maybe he was on flight 93 Listen I know I'm on the BDS list and you might not trust a guy like me These guys have one idea I think we should take over the plane and get all the bisque off like Bob we have to take this

plane and prevent it from flying into the White House that's fine just give me all the biscoff just give me all the biscoff scouring the like the like smoldering ruins of the World Trade Center looking for any biscoff that might have fallen out of the plane Yeah, like it's he thinks of planes is basically like pinatas that just contain biscoff Anytime he hears about a plane crash Yeah appears at crash sites Yeah, here comes Bob again like they're the You know you could just buy this in stores don't you Bob I've not found it at a single one dude

I go to the Kroger every morning and I They look at me like I'm a crazy person Said you want me to keep singing these songs? You're going to give me the best guy. I just saw your neighbor almost fall off his porch. Whoever this guy is, I heard the great hand. Dude, he's having a bad one. He's been having a bad one for a few weeks.

I saw him, he took a deep breath and one step and it stumbled down on me. No, it was quite a fit going on here last night when I came back to get my car. Oh yeah, the party done? I was accosted by a sea of 19 year olds. There's always a party down there. On a Wednesday night, Thursday night I get, that's the official. Well, they're little frat guys They like they have a little good little house

That's not their frat house. They have like a little auxiliary house That they started it. Yeah Said in the main bill, this is the Wednesday house. Just got word that my friend Mohammed oughta died. I hope he had a little chance to fill his mouth with some sweet biscoff before the plane hit the tower. Last time I talked to him. He said, Bob, we're going to pizza hut tonight

Probably won't be seeing you too much after tomorrow morning. Yeah, like Muhammad, you know, like there's one clip from 9-eleven. That's like I Don't know if it's Muhammad, Ada. I think it's It's up for debate like who it is But there is a clip where one of the hijackers, you can hear them like in the mic in the cockpit. Yeah, what if like one of the guys back in like flight controller or whatever just hears someone, go like, you gotta serve somebody. Like is that Bob in the cockpit? Like anytime you eat bisque off, it makes you sound like Bob Dylan, I guess. Well, you gotta serve somebody

But anytime you eat biscoff it makes you sound like Bob Dylan, I guess it's the thing Want a cookie? Like oh my god, they're force-feeding biscoff for a pilot Doug Khalid Sheikh Mohammed he had a good run. He's still alive, Bob. About four months from now. Here my friend Nasrullah has went on to paradise. Twenty twenty seven. Virgins.

I'd take twenty seven biscoff before I take twenty seven. Good, I get to the pearly gates. I was going to say to him, I want to say about twenty six biscoff in a single virgin. That's good enough for me you get Jason's restaurant fucking kills me dude. How did we get such a wonderful artist?

What did we just do to deserve? We did nothing to deserve such a great artist. I love that tweet. It's like, it's what all most of Bob Dylan's best songs are about and it's like, a guy with two pistols And another guy on a zebra and like a monkey or something got a monkey suit Vic Firth, hmm Ernie Ball. God damn it. Let's go. I knew them all. I knew them all Vic like to come to parties and say

That's a Goddamn Bob What's going on this week We saw Texas chainsaw massacre last night a Lot of fun. I'm just gonna have to say Texas chainsaw massacre might be one of the best if not the best Or movie ever made. I thought you're gonna say something more grandiose film of all time It's pretty good. Yeah, It's up there. Yeah. It's just so good.

It's just like the pacing is perfect. Everything about it is perfect. Yeah, it's very in the pocket. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and they did it with so little. With nothing. And another key thing in a horror movie, okay,

is you have to inject enough humor into it to make it kind to kinda cut the. Yeah, you made a good point last night. I don't think I've seen it since maybe like 10 years, but I don't remember it being as lighthearted as it actually is. It's a little sillier than I remember. It's a little sillier, right.

But there are some terrifying scenes. Yeah. Always just when he shuts the little metal door. Yeah. Hits him with, tosses him, shuts him. That's, oh yeah. It's fucked fucked didn't care for that a bit. He was a sick fuck that guy Let the face I think they called him This guy's out here doing pure wits with us with a steel 1300

Mm-hmm, how's he do it without cutting himself? Yes, who knows? 1,900 mm-hmm as he do it without cutting himself. Yes, who knows? Yeah, like welcome to the show Everybody where's my phone? Let's get started. Let's get started with content Let us get started with content. Is he going thing for today? Something I just wanted to laugh about with you all was a little article in the New Statesman called My Adult Circumcision How I made the cut for my new religion by Tony Ducoupil. Do you know how to say his name? I don't care. Ducoupil? Ducoupil. Ducoupil. Looks almost French. For those of you Say his name. I don't care doku pill doku pill doku pill do we feel like someone's French though

We for those of you don't know who that is Ta-da Hasi coats went on was it like good morning America or some show Yeah, some is one of those morning shows and he was talking about his new book in this Asshole Tony dooku pill was just Morning Shows and he was talking about his new book and this fucking asshole, Tony Dukoupil, was just grilling him about like, maybe I can insert the clip here. Ta-Nehisi, I wanna dive into the Israel-Palestine section of the book and I have to say, when I read the book, I imagine if I took your name

out of it, took away the awards and the acclaim, took the cover off the book, the publishing house goes away, the content of that section would not be out of place in the backpack of an extremist. Either apartheid is right or it's wrong. It's really, really simple. Either what I saw was right or it's wrong. I mean, he was literally just endorsing Jim Crow.

He was like, Ta-Nehisi Coates was like, I think apartheid is wrong. and that guy was like, yeah, but Yeah, but it's fine because the Palestinians deserve it. Under a very specific set of circumstances, maybe it's good. His argument literally was the Palestinians deserve it because they have dared to throw some rocks at Israeli soldiers. Right, right. Okay, that was weird enough in and of itself, but then like come to find out that this guy's a convert. Not only that, but he had an adulteration. Oh, I can't even like... Something I was thinking about, I remember talking about this in the movie last night, is like this is one of the few guys that knows what sex felt like before, is like, this is one of the few guys

that knows what sex felt like before, you know, because they don't know how it's like when you're circumcised, you get like, all these feelings cut off, nerve endings cut off. I know, I mean, I don't know, because like I'm circumcised, so I don't know what it's like to have sex without being circumcised, but I imagine it's way fucking better.

This guy willingly forwent that. Well, actually what makes it even more deranged is that he already was circumcised. He already was circumcised and he went in and got his penis cut. More? Yeah, they just cut his penis. He cut his penis so that he could scold Ta-Nehisi Coates on a morning show about how Palestinians deserve Yeah, can you imagine going in for that elective surgery be like listen I know I'm circumcised But maybe take a little more off the top you took a little

That's a deranged individual yeah dude well look I as I said to you last night I grew up in a pretty Gentile corner of the world but I've never heard it you know you don't say West Texas and East New Mexico not not a hot bed for Judy oh No, no, it's not But I've never heard that I've never heard that if you Are supposed to get your shit snip. Well, here's the thing is I think that As probably the boys fucking with him a little bit It's like it's like a new jacks like now well listen if you're gonna experience the full fruits of Judaism You got it. You gotta do it

I Did it myself. I did my own circumcision right out of the womb. The doctor stuffed my mouth full of Biscoff. I bit down on a leather belt and chewed on the Biscoff while they snipped me up. You know how we had the bit about the coach who couldn't stop stroking his shit? This is the morning show host who can't stop cutting

By the time he's done with drew with his walk with Judy is if he's just gonna be like a kin doll like just a Just a smooth mound down there. I just keep taking more off If you'd like to hear more about the coach who can't stop stroking your shit go to patreon.com I Understood let's read this. I understand the world doesn't usually think much about adult male circumcision. You're right It's like having a chat about ball trampling or the Pentagon's Kevlar underwear, even on the covered wagon side of the circumcision wars where people fight for the foreskins of-

Covered wagon part of the circumcision wars. Dude, there's that one guy that drives around that van in New York or something that just hands out literature about the evils of circumcision or whatever. That's what he's talking about That's the only person talking about he's talking about like one guy Yeah, it is one of those things like I do vehemently oppose circumcision, but If you talk about it too much, it does kind of make you a little bit of a weirdo

Yeah, so you know and the thing is is I only have one life to live and I'll never know what it's like to have An uncircumcised penis but I Bet it's pretty tight. Yeah, it's fucked up that you and I It's fucked up like winded Was it the Protestant Reformation? Like is that really what this here's the irony Martin Luther was a crazy anti-semite However, he started a religious movement where they adopted

circumcision as a practice Wonder when I started I like I feel like an Eastern Kentucky. It only started in like You were seven Hot new craze. Hey, come on boys Even on the covered wagon side of the circumcision war where people fight for the foreskins of baby boys No one wants to talk about grown men getting their corn shucked. Oh God I get all this and so much more and yet as someone who knows the sting of this particular ritual I've who volunteered for it in fact and signed his own check to the part-time Reaper who did the job

I have to say it's not so bad So he's regret so he regrets it a little bit, but has learned to live with it learned a little bit There's no need for any of us to go on treating our junk like our father-in-law scratch-free Ferrari. It's much tougher than you think What kind of a sick fuck? This guy's leather. This is Dennis the man. We have like yeah, we have a leather face guy like he is literally leather leather Fizz But and he's on a morning show that millions of people watch every morning Oh my god, I came to this knowledge on the way to the altar of all places. I was engaged to a nice Jewish girl taking some free

conversion classes at a big progressive Manhattan synagogue. I wanted to learn about something that mattered to her and the more I learned the more it mattered to me too. This wasn't a fur coat and summer kind of congregation. It was part of the reform movement. game for the high holidays Mostly casual about pork always down with gay female rabbis But by the way cash about pork cash about like I had to join a temple that was cash about pork, you know When one of my own rabbis gay females slipped me the number of a mohel a professional snipper I laughed it off classic Jewish humor, but no they really did talk him into this it's hilarious you got anything else left in there to spare medically speaking I was already circumcised along

with most of the other babies born in America in the 80s oh wait so it was just an 80s craze you're right then you just got. Oh wait, so it was just an 80s craze. You're right. We and you just got like in on the fucking... It was just... Why? We happened to be born in the decade where they were sniffing men. Yeah. That's all. That's the only... That's the true generational divide in this country. That's fucked. But that's no good for God. I needed a hadafat dabrit, a drawing of blood.

To remain uncut, I was told, is to remain spiritually cut off from the Jewish people. That's the idea of the covenant. While bloodletting has always been a condition of the Orthodox and conservative wings of Judaism, reform congregations have been willing to welcome the sexually sheaved and uninjured. Dude, he didn't even have to do this. He was in a reform synagogue. I'm just, here's the thing though, have you ever like gotten a bad haircut but there's nothing you can do about it

because they took it down too tight? Like is there, what's there left to work with after, you know? It really is astonishing. He literally just did this so that he could scold black writers on morning shows About how Palestinians deserve To be what came to yeah cordoned off and tortured and bombed Biblical law doesn't require otherwise neither do most of the arguments of the Talmud

But a funny thing happened to me on the road to gay female pork friendly Judaism The reform movement began to ask more people to put some skin in the game Dude this guy not only should not be allowed to To be a journalist. He should be shunned from polite polite society the fact that you would write about this is Absolutely deranged there's not enough this would these a sick fuck. It's a sick fuck. This is a guy that's like Waving his cut shit around and all of her faces and just like take some sick pleasure and like have us having to hear about his fucking like take some sick pleasure and like have us having to hear about his fucking Yeah Shorn junk or whatever. He called it shucked corn shucked corn my shucked corn

Jesus in an era when the forces of cultural assimilation pose such a daunting challenge to our By the way, one of my favorite memes is that meme where it's like country girls make do yeah And she's walking away from a corn crop. Corn crop. Corn crop, yeah. Country girls do make do, that is true. Rabbi Mark Waszawski explained in an essay in Reform Judaism that in an era when the forces of cultural assimilation

oppose such a daunting challenge to our continued existence as a distinct people, this admittedly ancient tribal custom bears a message that we do well to hear." This was literally a part of the whole-supremacist thing, right? Like that's what he's saying here, right? The forces of cultural assimilation pose a daunting challenge to our continued existence as a distinct people. You're already circumcised.

You didn't have to do it. You didn't have to. Yeah. What I would have did is I would have went back my wife been like, yeah, it took a little off the top Can I see no, no, no, no No, it's I went to I went to a different What they call the guy that doesn't a shul or a mo hell I'm oh hell Yeah, I went to what he's been a different town. You don't know him. Yeah, right, right

I would have just done what I've been doing my whole life, which is like, yeah, I'm pretty dumb Jewish Culturally That's how I found myself biblically nude in a kind of spiritual locker room a shower space in a converted brownstone in a kind of spiritual locker room, a shower space in a converted brownstone, waiting on a man with a razor. The surroundings were civilized, more university club than Russian bathhouse. Blue black tile ran along the floors and climbed the walls.

A minty scent hung in the air. But all noise had already washed away in the roar of my thoughts. I was 12 when Lorena Bobbitt cut her husband down to the size of an elevator button, igniting purients and anger. Remember that story? I do remember that story.

I remember also when he went on, he became a WWF star briefly and appeared without, remember when Val Venis got his shit cut off? And John Bobbitt was like part of that storyline? You really think about the cultural tides of the 90s and the 2000s it was all leading up to this era it was yeah what does mean well it was hard to get to seventh grade in the morning without encountering slice soda jokes and love hurts humor it all made the very idea of external genitalia seem well kind of crazy all of it so fundamentally exposed

Dude, there's some interesting things going on I've always preferred an any to an adi Like dude you have to push my shit in When I'm at repose I sometimes like to push my shit in and see what it's like to be Be something somebody else There are some interesting things going on here When the mohel arrived he looked I'm sorry to say like Danny DeVito and curls we stood in silence I opened my towel. Hello groin. He opened a shaving bag with glinting instruments. Hello knife

Hello groin he opened a shaving bag with glinting instruments. Hello knife My mahal produced a pin sized lance which he welded ever so gently like Lady Grantham with a paring knife He sliced sliced Squeezed dripped and was done The whole transaction was over in seconds long before I could scream faint or decide if I liked it Dude he's he's a sick fuck. He's a sick. That's a. That's a. What can you even say?

Mollell? Mollell. Okay, so like, are these guys like barbers? You can get a bad one? I think it's, yeah, like a tattoo artist. Yeah, it's like, this is kind of a one shot deal. I need to know this guy's like the, you can get a bad one yeah like a tattoo artist yeah it's like that's just this is kind of a one-shot deal they'd know this guy's like the you know like the fucking Johnny Cochran of cockshares you know we've read some fucked up stuff on this show but this might this might take the fucking cake

this is taking the cake I mean if it was just a random guy who disappeared into the ether, but the fact that it's a guy who's shaping the opinions and manufacturing the consent of the empire. Of the Hitlerite state. Of the Hitlerite state, known as Israel. Like this is really something. This is going to be one of those things we look back at. I mean, I've learned who this guy was two days ago because he scolded Ta-Nehisi Coates.

Right. But, you know, like when you think about the Nazi regime and you hear all these weird asides about the kind of weird shit they were into. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think like, grubbles like worshiped Greek gods. Yeah, and then to like the cult. Yeah, and all this occult shit and all this stuff. It's to be one of those weird things like actually one of the guys one of the enduring images of that time as

one of our foremost black intellectual intellectual period and I don't want to put it that way, but it's come from a very specific perspective Went on a talk show. And was castigated in front of an American audience. By a man that willingly underwent an adult circumcision. To shore up his Judeo bona fides uh-huh when he didn't have to and also wrote about maybe liking it it's vague as well it's like I don't know what they mean by squeezed cut and squeezed sliced and squeezed, sliced and squeezed. Like sliced how? Like and, I mean, look, I'm not shaming anybody

into some freaky stuff. I myself am into some freaky stuff. But cutting your penis, you know, you're probably not gonna be able to have sex for a little bit. I'm gonna be out of commission for a few days. For a few days. Do you gonna be out of commission for a few days for a few days Do you think his wife found that extremely oh by the way his wife left him and

Took the kids to Israel so it didn't even work, but he stays he decided to stay with he decided to stay with it So well, I've already been his wife left him and took the kids to Israel and He didn't even work. Maybe that's why he's so, he really does have the zealotry of a convert. Like he went all in on this relationship and it didn't even pan out in the end. Didn't even pan out. It fundamentally changed his worldview and life.

He cut his cock to be in this relationship. It didn't even work out. They should probably was just like cucking him from the start like he didn't, I mean I don't know anything about it. Okay, I'm not gonna pretend to know anything about it. Maybe some of my Jewish friends could answer this. Like if that is like part of the deal

if you convert as a convert. Once again, I've never heard that but. I've never heard that. No, but all right. But, Once again, I've never heard that, but. I've never heard, I've never heard that. No, but all right. That's hilarious. One, it's so funny that I'm struggling to even laugh right now. Yeah.

It's like one of those things that like, it's gonna hit, like I'm gonna be at the mechanic in like three weeks, and he's gonna be telling me about like the catalytic converter or something, and it's just like the image of that is going To hit me in the middle of like a really important thing detail I need to be paying attention to yeah, and I'll be about this sick fuck getting his dick cut For a relationship that didn't even panic for an ethno state that's about to start

So it's like it's like I heard a world war. So it's like, is he still trying to get to Israel to see his kids and like, or like what's happening? I'm sure he does, I'm sure he goes there a lot. Oh man, let me finish out the- That's a funny thought, like, your wife takes the kids and moves to Israel, but you didn't want, like want to be a deadbeat dad anyway

You're like, uh-huh. Listen I'm not coming to that place Okay I'm not I'm BDS here. Mm-hmm. Okay until the Palestinian people are free. I ain't having shit to do those little bastards I ain't having shit to do with those little bastards Let's read the last paragraph instead I felt the way I remember feeling as a child when rising early I could watch light fill the woods behind my house revealing nothing at all scary When the mohel finally spoke he spoke in Hebrew and I couldn't make out a word of it

Just tourists man just tourists people who cannot get enough killing and they have to link but I had this is the loophole yeah you know but I had the feeling that the substance of his words was important and that if I could understand him I would be in the possession of something profound a message from God It's only a penis Wow, I would tell you something. Maybe the only sensible thing he said there. That is true I'll take your cock too. Seriously. Yeah, it is only a penis at the end of the day Mm-hmm Dan they were cooking with Valvenus

And like hello lady. What a great what a great line and also bringing John Babbitt in I'm glad he had the sense of humor yeah you know they were able to reattach Val Venus's penis in the but not John Babbitt's right I think he I think he got reattached somehow no yeah if you can get your penis reattached then what's to stop you from getting a bigger penis just grafted on to you Well, maybe that's what I would have found went that route probably yeah But here's the thing it has to be match your body type If you're like a short guy and you get a massive penis graphing onto you like your heart's probably gonna explode

In a few years, right? It's like it's gonna be pumping all that blood to that thing Big big roots. Oh, yeah. Have you yeah, I bet you have Yeah, bet you have you little little sick fuck What else we got this week you watched the debate cataclysm war pestilence for war pestilence famine yes well there means it's what you know single-handedly one of the bleakest weeks of my adult life but yeah yeah I mean Iran launched missiles on Israel yeah that was dope, yeah, I applaud that I

You know Watched with pleasure as they destroyed roads and air bases. Yeah, and then as these little fucking Worms are like, oh you didn't kill any of us. Yeah That's kind of some people have different different aims and warfare you fucking jackals Yeah, yeah, and so I'm trying to destabilize you so you don't fucking continue to do this to people, right? I'm not trying to wipe out city block your entire Exactly. Yeah entire bloodlines families. Yeah But did you see this story you were telling me that there was a story in Politico about

how the White House approved, not the White House, like Brett McGurk, Dirk McGurk and the other guy, Amos Hoxton. Dirk McGurk and yeah, yeah. Yeah, Amos Hoxton. Dirk McGirt and Yeah Yeah, Amos Hoxton approved the Israeli invasion of Lebanon and like I Don't know it just gets back to this thing. Like who is running the government right now? Who's it is I think this is I think this is okay

so we were having this discussion earlier, but like, it used to be, and maybe like the Dulles Brothers is really what kind of changed this tone when they assassinated JFK, but it used to be like, there was like some statesmanship and like the buck stopped with the executive. You know what I mean?

Like I'm sure, and I'm like? I know that might sound naive to some people because I'm sure there's always been sort of a parapolitical thing going on to some degree, but for the most part, policy began and ended with the executive branch. Even Reagan knew about Iran-Contra. He acted like he didn't. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

He started to get the Junior Soprano, that's when he started to get dementia. Yeah, they started and then he actually got dementia. Yeah Yeah, yeah anyways and so it seems like Maybe that's actually what happened with Mickey Steins to we'll stick a pin on that but It seems as if though You know that We'll stick a pin in that. But it seems as if though, as the intelligence communities and the defense department have taken an outsized role in like decision-making, joint chiefs of staff

and so forth, that we've moved from an era of like the buck stopping with the executive and it more being like this sort of ad hoc group of like decision makers that kind of like are The smartest guys in the room. Yeah are able to greenlight things or you know, whatever, you know It seems like in this case though, and who knows with Biden. I mean, he's like the lamest of lame ducks really's not as right.

So maybe these guys, his staffers were able or able to just like, you know, I don't know, kind of do what Dick Cheney did with Bush. You know what I mean? Like, and to some degree, and this is germane to the debate, what you see like JD Vance kind of like angling to do. Like JD Vance is running for president, you know, is what a lot of people don't understand. Like he is going to be dictating policy and calling the shots in

a Cheney style fashion. Whether that means, I don't know what that means for the nations of the earth that we might target or whatever. My hunch is it's not gonna be good. Yeah, my hunch is that you and I will be breaking rocks in a prison yard somewhere. Optimistically. Optimistically. But yeah, I think it's just like seeing that in Politico

that like basically these two fuckwits that Biden has around him were able to green light an invasion of a sovereign country, but is disconcerting It is pretty wild. Yeah, I mean like you're right like In the 60s you did have like a McGeorge Bundy and all those guys Robert McNamara and like but those were like Household names also everybody knew who Robert McNamara was everybody knew who McGeorge Bundy was nobody knows who the fuck is hawk Yeah, but dirt dirt McGurk and box These guys

I don't know. It's just One in Politico had another story today Biden confronts the limits of his influence over Israel. Joe Biden and his senior aides have urged Israel to avoid direct attacks on Iran's nuclear facilities when it strikes back against Iran, the latest sign of the limits of the US's power to prevent all but the most extreme actions by Israel. Has anybody bothered to ask the question why yeah like You know, we could just quit cut them off It is a bizarre I

Don't know. I didn't watch the debate you watched the debate. Yeah But something I heard Tim Waltz say that was reported afterwards Was Israel must be allowed to expand or I think it was Israel has to expand Israel and its proxies have to expand Didn't he say yeah, yeah, it is almost like he said that on autopilot. He also said One of the greatest quotes in in my opinion, in American history, which was, everyone from Bernie Sanders to Dick Cheney to Taylor Swift is on board. Oh, I thought you were gonna go with,

I've become friends with school shooters. I just kinda slipped, I didn't see, I think I saw H a hostile point that out but everybody else I was like What was he trying to say I Don't know who's I think he was trying to like tout his like, you know it is so surreal to watch that fucking moron just like degenerate into just standard-issue to watch that fucking moron just like degenerate into just standard issue corporate Democrat who like had the programming chip inserted, you know what I'm saying? Tim Waltz suffers and I can sympathize with this

to a certain degree because this is a character flaw that I hold is that I just wanna make everybody happy and be a people pleaser, you know what I mean? George Washington. Tim Waltz suffer from that to a really malignant end. Yeah. Okay. Like this whole debate was just them loving on each other basically.

And just really underscoring how on at least the big three topics, there's even little, there's less daylight than we even thought. On the border, okay, Tim Walz is like agreeing with, basically agreeing with JD Vance's assessment that like illegal immigration is what's driving up housing prices.

He said that, he's like, that's right. And I'm like, that's right, and I'm like That's right, you know it's like the third it's I don't it makes for a weird politics because On the three things that the Dems hold some moral high ground on Gaza Well, not even that because they've orchestrated this whole fucking thing. But like presumably they're against illegal military actions, fucking the border, and then climate change, you know what I mean? And there's just.

No difference. No difference. No, in fact, you have Walt's agreeing with Vance that like, he's like, I'm in agreement with the senator on this one. I mean, it really is, it's like just expert politics. You guys are so good at this. You guys are so great. You literally just went out there

and agreed with your opponent on everything. Yeah. What the fuck are we doing? You know what it is? It's they think that they have a strong enough brand to carry it. Yeah. That they don't have to be meaningfully different.

That it's just better packaging. You know what I mean? It's like- Dude, you're right. You are 100% correct. It's like the Democrats are like sleek Apple packaging. You know what I mean? And the Republicans are just like Chromebook.

You know, Google Chromebook package. That's not, whatever. They do the same job, but one is like it's like The Democrats think they're Margaret Qualey The Republicans think they're Demi Moore right right right that's good You know it, but that's not actually very good both are very hot Exceedingly tracked so I don't really know what I mean by that scratch that one from the record Scratch this whole fucking show. I hate it

but yeah, it's like that was what the whole that was the homework of the whole debate though the one thing that I thought that was like pretty troubling about it is like the first question out of the gate was about Iran and Tim waltz Looks like like and I know this feeling, because it's the same feeling I have when I have a panic attack, when I have to stay in and perform in front of a room of 300 or 400 people,

and I just have to play through it, and my voice is trembling, you know what I mean? That's what he was doing. It's like he got the talking points like five minutes before he went out there. To see him deputized, to see the left concession, like that's the only thing they gave the quote unquote left to keep us invested in this election

was a nominally progressive Midwest governor, okay? Who still believes all the things that the genocidal fucking prosecutor does I want you I? Want you to in your mind? It's 2018 you're sitting at Dairy Queen in Weitzberg before it got destroyed by a flood and then raised and you know You're sitting at the Derek Lee and Weisberg 2018 listen to the old timers talk all of a sudden I walk in but I'm older you're like wait and I've lost more hair

My god is that Tim Walz? You wouldn't have known who Tim Walz was at this point. Yeah, I Walk in and I'm just slightly older and I sit down across from you. I say, Tom, it's your friend Terrence. I'm from the year 2024. I look terrible. I look terrible. I've had some bad years.

I've had some bad times. But I just want to read you a sentence that I think would just literally, it would boil your mind in 2018. All right, I'm gonna put myself, hold on, let me put myself in a 2000, I'll put myself in like, yeah. Put yourself in a 2018 state of mind.

I'm as surprised as anybody of this coalition that Kamala Harris has built, from Bernie Sanders to Dick Cheney to Taylor Swift, and a whole bunch of folks in between, and they don't all agree on everything, but they are truly optimistic people Could you in your wildest of imaginations in 2018 think that dick Cheney and Bernie Will be in concert with the biggest pop star on the planet. I Have to say that's that is a rapid

rapid degeneration of like political horizons the fact that you go from potentially You know Continuing the political revolution. Here's what here. I mean, I'm gonna go back a little bit for I'm gonna put myself in a 2014 2015. Okay, all right. Like post-Ferguson, pre-Trump kinda era. I'm still the same Dairy Queen with the same guys.

Right. Okay? Yeah. Here's the thing that's like, my mindset then was like, well, if they've just Let Obama do what he wants to do instead of obstructing him all the time. Mm-hmm Mitch McConnell Mitch McConnell's obstructing him all the time. It's obstruction. They won't let him do anything obstruction and

You told me that like in just ten short years not even nine short years We're gonna have a coalition that includes Taylor Swift, Dick Cheney, and Bernie Sanders. Who at that time, I guess, my conception of Bernie was like, oh he's just like the wild card in the Congress and Senate, you know. The sentence is so funny to me because like, I really can't, maybe younger audiences don't

Feel this way and I'm sure you know, everybody knows dick Cheney is bad. But like for me Specifically and people of our generation when I hear the name dick Cheney It's like I can't explain it but you might as well say like be a little bub or something It's anonymous in my mind. Like a demonic animal. Not even like a world historic bad guy. It's anonymous in my mind. Something somehow lower.

Yes, with like brimstone. You know like the description of the devil in the Bible is like smelling of like brimstone and and like ash or something, you know what I mean? That's who is conjured in my mind when I hear the name Dick Cheney. When I hear Dick Cheney, I hear wailing and gnashing of teeth. It's like the hell mouth opens. Opens. And you can hear.

And you hear like the damn souls just like suffering. In the idea that they would be, and that was from an article. Let me read this article, by the way. This blew my mind, really. The historical parallels in, let's just call them dialectics at work here. Okay.

Truly astonishing. This is in the New York Times. Liz Cheney to campaign with Harris at the birthplace of the GOP Vice President Kamala Harris will campaign alongside Liz Cheney The most prominent Republican to cross party lines and endorse her on Thursday in Wisconsin at a symbolic location the birthplace of the Republican Party Miss Harris and Miss Cheney plan to appear together in a joint appeal to the sort of Republican voters

who may retain conservative positions but are repelled by former President Donald Trump and his politics. The event will take place in Rippon, Wisconsin? How do you say that? I don't know. Sorry, Wisconsinites. Rippon.

Rippon. You like to go to Repond? We're going to Repond. Great Repond? The best place of the GOP. The GOP. The site of a series of meetings that helped lead to the foundation of the GOP in 1854. The two women agree on little politically beyond their distaste for Mr. Trump.

They had next to no relationship when they overlapped in Congress though. They did speak on the phone. Okay. I got a question Does that not raise any flags for Harris? You know what I mean? I Like let me ask you a question if somebody who is a part of the most loathsome Political family mm-hmm this side of the most loathsome political family, this side of the bushes, okay? Just, you don't interrogate that any? What's their angle here, you know what I mean? Their angle is...

Like, I mean, if you are still claiming to be like a nominally left party. Right. That's not saying what they think it's saying, is what I mean. to be like a nominally left party. Right. Well, um. That's not saying what they think it's saying, is what I mean. Yeah. Let me just continue reading here. Since becoming the Democratic nominee,

Ms. Harris has tacked towards the center, trying to shed her reputation as a California liberal by repudiating many of the progressive positions she held when she ran for president in 2020. You don't say. This time around she has described herself as a committed capitalist, laid out a hardline position on border security, and embraced fracking to extract natural gas from under Pennsylvania, a position she opposed during her first presidential campaign that will win her, I'm just going to go ahead and spoil it for you,

exactly no votes among the oil and gas industry in Pennsylvania in the swing state She could go to them hat in hand Actually going to give y'all The she could actually drop out of this race. Okay and go get a job in the oil fields Okay work for 12 years come back run again in the oil fields, okay? Work for 12 years, come back, run again. And they'd be like, nah, I think Trump's. You know how I know this, dude?

I have told this story on this show many times, I think. I'm pretty sure I have. When I was growing up in Hobbs, there was this guy named Harry Teague. Harry Teague was a son, he was a high school dropout. He was, took care of his sick parents after he dropped out of high school by working in the oil industry,

like worked as a rig hand, like worked his way up through the oil industry to the point where he became stable and financial, you know, financially independent enough to start his own drilling company Anyways, Harry teague had a story that resonated with people of Hobbs, New Mexico And he went into politics after he accomplished all this in the business world like owned his own drilling company Like I said worked his way up from the very bottom to the very top became a Democratic politician

Served in the House of Representatives You know represented Hobbs in the congressional district there and he came out for cap and trade in 2009 or whatever and they buried his fucking ass one of their own cut his head off all for a meager reform proposal that wouldn't have even done anything in the end Do you remember when Joe Manchin's pin the cap and trade bill to the tree and shot it? Yeah That's I kind of longed for the house in days of like when like people were mad about a bill

Same no one even we don't We don't have bills anymore, right? The We don't have bills anymore, you're right. Let me finish reading here though. Polls have shown that voters are more worried that Ms. Harris is too liberal than that Mr. Trump, who has proposed a series of radical right-wing policies, is too conservative. That's their calculus here. Okay. So I want to just like, I want to pause. That's pretty much the article, but let me just I just want to pause here for a second

the his The there's something so and I pointed this out on Twitter But there's something so bizarre and uncanny about the ostensibly liberal candidate going to the birthplace of the first like Liberal American party since drift That's since drifted right. That has since drifted right, accompanied by the air of a demonic conservative in an attempt to pull the now left party,

which started conservative, back to the right. Back to its conservative origin. It's like, actually that's not entirely fair. Like the Democratic party, as you know, that's Martin Van Buren Andrew Jackson Like it was populist that it's hard to even put like a left or right Label on it, but like genocidal from its regardless genocidal from its origins. It's insane that um It's just it's just so uncanny so bizarre and that that's their calculus by the way

Do you think that's even true? Do you think voters really are more worried that Miss Harris is too liberal than that? Mr. Trump is too conservative I don't think people are I mean I can under scrutiny. It just doesn't hold up I don't think it's that where did this idea come from? This is something I've been coming back to over and over again for the past few months Where did this idea come from that there are not leftists in America? Like truly like we ended slavery Where did this idea come from that there are not leftists in America? Like truly like we ended slavery

We had a revolution in this country or that like they who do you think did that the left? Yeah, yeah, yeah Or that the like another thing I take umbrage with is that the median american is actually like an avowed capitalist that like we had We had a militant labor movement in this country unseen Anywhere else in the world way more militant here than it was in Europe. Yeah So where does this idea come from that? We are not there's not leftists out there Historical yeah that like this country is just made up of a vast sea of like centrists and conservatives There are a ton of fucking lefties in this country. Maybe they're not all in a fucking Cadre group or you know what I mean some like sectarian like the political organization, but like they're out there. I promise

Yeah, but people that have those I mean like hey like you know with the news like Chris Christopherson dying This week like this is a man that like put on concerts for Palestine and like, you know, and like lost work because of all that kind of stuff. But like, when you think of people like that exist, that like, you know, they might not be part of like, you know, a DSA affinity group or something like that, but like they hold more or less the key views. You know what I mean?

I think there are like, yeah, it's like just way underrepresented. And we let, the fundamental problem is man, is we let these fucking shitbags like just like scold us into like feeling immature or like dreamers for juvenile, that kind of stuff. Even to the point of, you know, like, we give up so much because of it. I Mean we had like the largest protests in world history about the Iraq war. Yeah I mean, I'm not saying and obviously didn't work didn't succeed But the point I'm trying to make is like it's just a historical and when I say when I say we had a revolution I'm talking about reconstruction. It was a revolution when I say we have a left here like

I'm just saying that it seems like the numbers are there and to see the two parties especially the Democrats like where the whole point was We've seen them triangulate before obviously they did it and it worked in the early 90s. Yeah, but Will it work again this time? Yeah, I don't know. I walk by that... What's holding it up do you think? What's holding it up? What's holding up everything? Like what gives it like is it just our military hegemony that like gives the courts their power best to them? Yeah. I was thinking about that with like the

Mickey Steins thing. You know it's like, I lived in Leinster for a long time and it's a little like the Wild West in a lot of ways. Like, there aren't really laws in the way that there are laws other places. Like, you can just kind of do what you want to do. But like, what is stopping somebody from just like killing all the police there and the judge and be like, well, now this is our town now.

You know what I mean? Yeah, I guess you get the feds coming in and stuff. I mean, I'm just, I know I'm slightly facetious, but. Right, right, right, right. Like. You're saying just like playing it out, like what holds it all together? Yeah, yeah, yeah, like what's holding it all together?

Like why does this guy that just like went to law school with some dickheads, like why does he get to like decide what happens to my life? You know what I mean? Right. Like, and I'm not making a pro-stein stance here. I'm not, or anything like that. is how you get to decide what happens to my life. You know what I mean? Right. I'm not making a pro-Stein stance here. I'm not, or anything like that. I'm just saying,

it feels like the underpinning of American society is as thin as it's ever been. Yeah, it feels like everybody's going through the motions. We wake up and we don't know why we're doing any of it and what is even the point? Like it just feels like it could collapse at any moment. And like we wonder why we put up with this shit but like we don't know exactly what to do about it.

It's late Soviet shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It really is. Jesus. Jesus, I knocked my headphones off. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're fixing to plunge into our own Yeltsin here.

I think so. No. By that I mean a drunken buffoon. America probably will be short-lived. Like truly, I mean it was, I don't know how to put it, but like the Soviet Union and United States are kind of similar they were

country they were societies built off of an idea and that's not entirely the case for Most European Places and plus like Iran's been around forever and different right right right, you know I mean, it's an age-old civilization an age-old civil of China You know those things that have endured even if like they've come into modernity it's like Yeah, we're sort of governed by like a set of ideas or whatever and say the Soviet Union, whereas they have a different,

I don't know what it is. I don't know if it's just like a, yeah, like why do some societies just last hundreds of thousands of years and others? America is not like an actual, I don't know. I've been getting mound-pilled. Who?

Mound. Mound. Like the mounds in North America. Smooth mounds. Smooth mounds. Like Ken. Like our friend Tony Doku-pill. And I've just been thinking about the idea of North America and how when we talk about the history of it, it always begins at, I mean, it's a very cliche take, but it always begins at colonization.

We never examine it, like the totality, we never examine it as having any kind of dialectical relationship with the civilization that lived here before. You know what I'm saying? And I guess the whole, there's obviously an ideological reason for that because we're trying to sweep that part out of the rug. Yeah, but I think that in the historical record,

America probably will be a short-lived experiment experiment because it's not It can't there there's just too many contradictions built into it You know what I'm saying? Yeah, like you you you can't build a society on the concept of freedom and the endless pursuit of happiness and freedom while simultaneously Shackling everybody. Yeah to massive debt or terrorizing certain populations. That's why reconstruction really is the most important historical moment in the nation's history because it really was a moment, and I've said this before, but there really were

freed slaves, black legislatures in South Carolina who towards the end of reconstruction were even starting to talk about our Policy towards the indigenous and like building communities with them because and like you could you started to see the development of a new Vision of America one that said like okay. Look, we're all here now. We of America. One that said like okay look we're all here now, there's really nothing we can do about that at this point. Like we are all the children of the people who started this and who did terrible things to the original people that lived here. There is however a vision of a new polity based based off of the theory and practice of the freed slaves, off of the cultural and religious practices of the indigenous people that lived here, based off of the communist ideas of proletarian workers

and proletarian government from Europe Europe people like Karl Marx and shit Like there was the horizon of that and then it all you know, obviously got dashed Upon the rocks, but my point being is that there's just too many. It's just too contradictory at this point. It can't really Yeah, yeah, I can't you're just gonna be in this sort of stasis until really hold. Yeah, yeah, we're just gonna be in this sort of stasis until... Yeah, I mean it seems to me that once we took down the Soviet Union it was just inevitable that we were going to take down ourselves eventually. Because the two are kind of... I mean again it's dialectical but the two kind of fed off of each other and needed each other for a time.

And the cost of taking them down would obviously be a Pyrrhic victory. It would obviously take us down with it. I don't know. Which brings us back to Alan Dulles. Which brings us back to Alan Dulles, the original great Satan. Yeah. Yeah. Kennedy, his only crimes were being gorgeoushmm wanting to live side by side with communism

I'm kidding. That's a He really did though. I know those are those things are true. I'm saying like the funny thing is is um, I Said on Twitter like it's really funny or macabre it's really fucked up it shows how fucked up Zionism is That the baseline liberal position is pro segregation and apartheid and I said like that's kind of Opposite to the whole point of liberalism and I had people in my comments like being like oh well you obviously don't know How you know about liberalism let me tell you about liberalism. It's like, okay, Thaddeus Stevens and Charles, yeah, Charles Stumner and Thaddeus Stevens were liberals. Martin Luther King and John F. Kennedy were liberals.

Like, that is the premise. Is that you have a shared social compact and then you coexist in a kind of like multicultural, multilingual space. Obviously you're gonna try to preserve the mode of production because you're gonna try to mystify that as the source of all of these inequalities. That's what is the hallmark of liberalism.

But like the idea that you do away with segregation and apartheid, that is a fundamental value of liberalism. Even fucking Napoleon wanted that basically. So it's like you can't make the argument that like that's the thing like liberals don't understand that that's that's why they're like Walter White basically they don't understand that you can't contain you can't maintain capitalism and also try to preserve a part their Lano's right liberals and name alone that's exactly right you know know like Rhinos, Republicans.

That's good, Linos. That's good stuff. It is good stuff. But it is, no I mean your point is exactly correct. It's that, yeah you can't, you can't, yeah liberalism breaks down once it starts expanding that tent enough to include pro-apartheid views and all that stuff.

That's why like the fundamental conservative shift is happening That's why it's happening. Yeah, you if you support that you can't be a liberal. That's why that's why the Democrats are now becoming the party of the neocons like dick Cheney and them because they are fundamentally because they are fundamentally unprepared. This is the great historic irony of her visiting the site of the GOP's formation with Liz Cheney. It's that the Republicans, the very first Republicans saw that if you were gonna have a new political project,

it had to be based on the concept of abolition. And there was contradictions built into that from the beginning, because they also believed in free soil, in homesteading and settling the West. You know what I mean? Which is basically genocidal. But they were liberals. They did not see the inherent contradiction there.

And that's, like, once again, that's probably why we're, uh, another reason why we're in our current situation. But the liberals now, they, they don't understand that they're pro-settler, pro-Zionist. They don't know that. They don't know that, that, like, they've sort of backdoored into those views. Exactly. You know, and are being groomed to, to like accept those as the course of things and that's why it's that's why it like it really does make you wonder about like why do people even believe what they believe like truly like Tim Walt's going out there like an automaton and being like Israel has to expand in its proxies it's like do you even know why you're saying that? It's so weird, man, because like,

on every, when he's in his bag, he speaks like intelligently and like cogently and effectively about whatever. But when on those things, like where you can tell he's not persuaded, he looks so uncomfortable, like he's turtle heading in front of a mass audience. He probably believes it,

but he probably doesn't even know why. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And this is another thing that I've wondered about, about like I feel like I've started to become more spiritual Finally I kind of sometimes think that like ideology is Just something that people pick up on unconsciously like they just in massive waves to like they Like in the aggregate like large groups of people

latch on to an idea and they're not even entirely sure why and I kind of wonder if this was the case when they started the Republican Party in the 1850s And if it's the case now as you're seeing the degeneration of the modern Democratic Party now as you're seeing the degeneration of the modern Democratic Party Toward and you know in their shift towards the right like do they even know are they just driven by history to to these positions because I saw like Kamala Harris basically saying You know Bernie's statement about Iran in Kamala's statement about Iran were completely indistinguishable. Their whole premise was

Iran has Escalated at every step of the way They have brought us to this when it's literally the opposite Iran if anything has been extremely hesitant and Careful, they're trying not to take the bait You know what I'm saying? Yeah, if they were bait, dude, don't listen to these fucking cretins, dude. If they were being belligerent, they would have been belligerent October 8th. Exactly. And turn fucking Tel Aviv to a glass factory. Exactly. They waited almost a goddamn year and only after untold carnage was laid waste. You know what I mean? I would argue that they should have been in this a lot fucking sooner. You know what I

mean? 100%. Like, if anything, they've been too reasonable. Yeah, and just to see the Democratic Party going out there and like not even remotely pushing back against the war drive. You know what I'm saying? To see them fully embracing it. There was even that, like, it wasn't even that bad in the run up to Iraq.

Among the Democrats? Among the Democrats. There were more split, you're right. I mean, on the whole, yes, the Democratic Party did support, but there were people like Paul Wellstone and shit, which is a great irony. People were like, Tim Waltz comes out of the Paul Wellstone school.

He's like this big bad progressive. It's like he clearly doesn't believe a fucking thing Paul wellstone believe Or they fucking killed Paul wellstone for opposing the Again you see the degeneration of these things this I mean I Don't know if this will last I don't know if it'll succeed if it does succeed I guess it becomes enshrined as the new Democratic Party. I guess the new Reigning politics. Are we gonna have like a one-state? Country if the Democrats if the Democrats win and then the Republicans lose and then Trump dies

Trump's the only thing holding it together at this point So like are the Democrat are the Republicans in disarray? Do we have like a one party state? I think that's what the Cheney's see. I think what they're driving for is to have a one party state that's as neocon as possible in orientation. But that is broad enough, but maybe not so much that it like turns off the Taylor Swift's and so forth of the world.

But I think Liz Cheney and Dick Cheney probably, because they're operators. You know what I mean? These are not people that, they're not like fucking, you know what I mean? They don't really, they're not party loyalists. They just, they go where the opportunity is. I think what they see is that like the writing

on the wall for the Republicans. Like we were talking several months ago about like, if one thing or the other would have went south with Biden, like the Democrats would have been cooked. And I think that's mostly true, okay? Now I think what they're seeing is that both of these parties are sort of on their last legs, and there's like a restructuring

to basically have like a one party thing that is palatable enough for the liberal, but neo-conservative enough in its orientation that they can still meet their aims. So, I mean, that might be a little high concept, but I think that's what they see is the next mode of American politics. Like this, what we have now

is not going to be around much longer I think you're exactly right. It is a process of extremely of extreme deracination and um accelerated deracination and intensity it's like Everything is being very quickly raised and uprooted And it's hard to see what comes next, because the outcome for both possibilities for the Democrats winning or the Republicans winning is sudden death for each in a way.

Unless there is a way here, and this is what gives me pause, I mean, I still think that the Republicans will win. I know that's not a popular opinion, but I want to tell you something if you're out here You know With a fucking arrow horn screaming about your big tent includes Taylor Swift and Dick Cheney, okay? I'm very and you still lose to these people. Yeah, like Trump is basically at this point like Like Hawking he's like every time he's on TV, it's like QVC or something. Well, it's like we were saying the other day,

it's the easiest layup in election history. He's a known quantity, he's been president, and I know plenty of people who voted for him in 2016, but didn't in 2020. So it's easy to actually beat him. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And the other thing is like This just seems to be an election where and I don't know why they're not convinced of this

there's no like we talked about this like we still have another month of this shit and Everybody's had their mind made up about what they were gonna do for the last at least the last three months But if not the last six months If not the last three months, but if not the last six months if not the last year Okay, it's like 30 minutes into the movie last night like when the first kill happens the guy gets hit with a sledgehammer in Texas chainsaw massacre, and I leaned over to you and said we still have one month of the election He said they're like seizing before he like gets hit again of the head you're just like you're just like Please do have another month That's the only thing on your mind. I Don't know I mean I

Think that because I was like I was walking by that Kamala Harris sign. We will not go back It's like go back to what what the fuck are you even talking about? It just it's you don't even know what you're talking about this yeah it just strikes me as like um it just strikes me as like the generic like substanceless campaign you would see in like one of those political thrillers from the 2000s with like Ryan Gosling and George Clooney where like one of them has like a dark secret a journalist is about to expose it's like a nothing campaign there's nothing there there's it's it's vapor man, and it's like It's so The most disorienting thing about it is like they don't even they don't even try

To do politics anymore. Yeah, she's not coming to Lexington do anything Like even if she can't wait like they people used to do that all the time. It is really that's well I know we've talked about that these are all locked in at this point that all Which only makes it more maddening that we've got another month to wait in this Yeah, like what they care about is the oil workers in Pennsylvania who they're not even gonna win anyways Because Pennsylvania is a battleground state. They were not gonna win them after So it's not even you're right, it's not even an election in any real sense of that word because it's not even for everyone.

Again, this is partially because of the electoral college, which seems to favor conservatives anyways. I don't really know. I don't know, at this point, we're just bitching like the old timers at the Dairy Queen. But before we start closing down, I just wanted to say, I don't know at this point. We're just fishing like the old-timers at the Dairy Queen, but But before we start closing down, I just wanted to say We talked a little bit about the flooding in North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia

Florida on the patreon this past weekend if you want to go check that out, please do so But I didn't want to share this anecdote from my buddy Willie, who, this is now our second flood together, he was staying with me when the first flood happened, but he sent me this yesterday. Literally the only government aid worker we saw before yesterday was a Department of Transportation helicopter pilot who landed in a neighbor's field and came to my house in search of a Particular rich guy with a second home on top of the mountain and connections with a sitting US senator To his credit the helicopter guy was pissed that he had been sent to do this

So yeah, like there was this big debate earlier this week on Twitter about people being like why are these lefties out here saying that Biden is not coming to the help of the flood victims all that because First hand he remember Biden was supposed to come to Lettuce County just kind of abruptly canceled his They said he to widespread. They said he came. We're right. He went to hazard and Something happened. He had to get out. I forget what it was. There's some some pressing thing I would like to know what look up why Biden cancelled again T He probably shit his pants in Perry County. I'm granted. I've shit my pants in Perry County

But This the Yeah, Sparta. But the immediate drive to temper people's anger is one of the bleakest things I have ever seen, and I experienced it after our flood, obviously, but seeing it now from sort of the outside, granted, this still hits close to home and it affects a lot of people I know but I am not affected in the way I was in whites Berg in 2022 But seeing it from the outside in that perspective just the way that people immediately jump to be like

Biden and femur doing everything they can it's like We live in the most technologically advanced wealthiest society in human fucking history and the fact that three four days after a flood you're still unable to contact people this was if you remember during katrina this was like scandalous yeah you know what i mean yeah like that that's it's inexcusable again You can easily talk yourself out of getting angry because there's plenty of fucking people who will help you do it Is that just the wages of the toxic positivity society we live in right now?

I guess so, you know, like oh you shouldn't be angry because anger is a bad thing Well, it's the idea that you would not be angry is really insane It's like you know what I mean? After you've lost everything, like those workers, did you see that? The Impact Plastics factory in Tennessee? Like 11 workers were killed, I think. Or five workers, maybe 11 were like swept away

and five of them were killed. They were sort of like that factory in was it Illinois? You remember a few years ago. There was a factory with that a tornado destroyed in the in the boss made them stay there It's the same shit with this one killed the fucking boss made them stay there and it killed like five of them in the interview One of the guys on democracy now, it was fucking heartbreaking. It was awful But the the idea that you would not be angry that you would swallow that and just and instead praise a Bureaucracy that famously has failed people time and again

That's how degenerated politics is it's no and I know Aaron pointed this out recently But it is literally no longer about harnessing your anger and rage. It is about scolding you into feeling anger and rage. That's how degenerated it has become. I don't think that's gonna work because the Republicans are harnessing rage. It's a misguided, misplaced rage

that comes from a bunch of different. Tim Walz even said that last night Larry on the debate now, he said while Harris is going for joy a politics. He says we're bringing back a politics of joy there is We're bringing back a politics of joy by meeting Trump on his You know, they're cooked border They're fucking policies by meeting Trump on his Gaza policies or not even committing Trump on Gaza policies by continuing to do what this administration's doing. They're cooked. Yeah like how are you gonna have a politics of joy and like you've even punted on climate which caused all this

shit. North Carolina is a battleground state by the way, it's swing state. Oh yeah. You think you can just win it by going there and being like let's have some joy Yeah, yeah. No, no, you need to what these things do to people Yeah, it is not you don't have joy spiritual day. Even if you do Yeah, no, there is a thing is like disaster camp compassion and people working together But I would not call that joy. No, I would call that like Survival. Yeah, like think Just something to get you through the day so that you can survive to the next day.

And those early days after our flood, man, it was like the whole, like you saw things and you're like, okay, this is good. Like these are good signs. But as time drags on and having to live in survival mode, it takes a toll on people. You become extremely jaded and you, I don't know

With Asheville as fucked up as it is You kind of need Asheville to win, North Carolina If you're just as a practical matter if people can't physically vote there, you're like fuck. Yeah, you know So, you know what I would be doing? I'd be I'd be using all that money I'm sending to Israel to get the world's biggest sump pump And I'd be I'd be rebuilding people's houses and roads like right now. I did I mean seriously again No one asked me but like

The way I understand politics is that if you're trying to win you generally go and you try to harness the rage How do you how do you think John Kennedy won West Virginia in? 1960 yeah, they had all those floods and all that shit like Granted I know John Kennedy wasn't out there like a fucking the Grackeye brother It's like fucking trying to like, you know rally the people but at the same time He also wasn't out there telling people do you have to have joy? Yeah in the fucking face of the worst shit imaginable Yeah, I don't know maybe Trump won Don't pull the base like 12 upset in history thinking you know, I mean I'm talking as a strategy

I'm not talking as like I think there's virtue. No, no, I know you're right scapegoating Yeah, I think like that but like you don't win elections by heart by harnessing joy well and this is thing like there are so many villains that you can actually point to who are not immigrants or not homeless people who are not Palestinians villains that people hate villains that have you can point to and and Show actual blood on their hands because they made workers work during a flood or during a tornado or or whatever Yeah, and you can get people angry about those villains. Yeah, I've seen it happen. It works. Yeah, I

Don't know. I think Bernie, every time he opens his mouth, the millionaires and billionaires. That's something that hits home for a lot of people. But we're just not even talking about that now. Now we've got Bernie and Dick Cheney arm in arm. Yeah. Yeah. Just like.

We've already, like, we're not going back. What the hell are you talking about? We've already went back. This campaign is a master class in going back. In going back, what the hell are you talking about? We've already went back. This campaign is a master class in going back. In going back, yeah. Astounding, absolutely astounding. There's only one answer and that is Joe has to step up and take his rightful place back.

I guess so. What would happen in a world where Biden's like, actually I'm in the race again? What would happen in a world where Biden's like, actually I'm in the race again. But you would see the most hilarious inter-institutional civil war you have ever witnessed in your life. Which we did get to see.

The Biden dead-enders versus the Kamloops-Brad coalition. You, dude, and that's the funny thing about about Tim Walz is like looking at him at the debate It like it literally was Charlie XCX's impact on history will be hilarious Tim Walz literally was a pick from the brat era and like now watching it in debate It's like damn that whole shit sour didn't it? Yeah, y'all really don't know what the fuck you do You thought you just like that do a fucking cute brand

You're right. It's like you said earlier. Let's hyper pop singer came along and Did this weird thing called Brett summer and that's how you got Tim Wall and that's how you got Tim. Well Tim waltz was Tim Waltz was like the human xenomorph hybrid and Tim Waltz just falls out of the sky one day right from the breath lab. And we all know I'm a pop girlie. We all know this. I'm not pop girly we all know this I'm not criticized I'm not Chris's Brett summer I thought I thought it had some legs until I read the words Kamala is Brad At that moment that was what I was out. We were punished. We were punished for liking it We dared to dream. Mm-hmm. Oh

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I'll put the link in the show note Chris Wade hit me up our good buddy Matt Christman has a book out About the Spanish Civil War. I've not had a chance to read it yet, but I have listened to the episodes and I'm Pretty I'm assuming this pretty much the same thing and the episodes go fucking hard. Yeah, so By the book I'm also trying to track down the best links and accounts for mutual aid in Western North Carolina the thing is is having been through this ourself that's sometimes the hardest part when it came to Eastern Kentucky there was like three Western North Carolina, there's already a pretty robust like mutually like Infrastructure there a lot of groups a lot of a lot of anarchists in Nashville

You know what I mean? Like there's there's a lot of different people to give to and I can't even It already stresses me out just trying to like figure out who needs water what's going on So like I'm having a really tough time like figuring out. And I've also just seen, did you see like Logan Paul donated like 8,000 pallets of prime juice or whatever the fuck? Like people were like, imagine you just survived

a hurricane and Logan Paul appears and gives you prime juice or whatever. And I was like, yeah, that's bad But imagine you're a community with 8,000 pallets of prime juice on your fucking hands all of a sudden like do you remember that story in February of This year February of this year. They found on an abandoned strip mine in Eastern, Kentucky like Five or six hundred pallets of bottled water do you remember that from the flood somebody just put it up there and forgot about it and people were going up there and taking it and drinking it they were drinking this have you been sitting in the

been sitting in the hot sun plastic for like a year and a half yeah you're not even supposed to drink water if it sits in your car for longer than a day or something That's gonna happen with those Logan Paul like the amount of waste I saw Going into flood recovery. I mean, that's the part that like really black-pilled me. I was like god damn it This has layers of darkness Anyways all which is to say There are accounts there are people there are groups you can donate to I'm gonna try to sort through that If I don't have all the links and accounts on the shown as of this week's episode Then I definitely will in the patreon or now it's weeks

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