Trillbilly Worker's Party - Episode 365: Please Don't Feed The Alligators

Episode Date: October 29, 2024

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Okay. Alrighty, let's start podcasting. Well, what else do you think was discussed at the first council of Nicaea in 325 AD? Besides the canonized fact that the father, the son, and the Holy Spirit are one and the same. I thought that that that was a basis of the schism between the Eastern Orthodox and the Catholics. So they thought, no, no, no, no, these are three separate entities. That's what I thought. Do you think they were so desperate not to be deemed polytheists, they just sort of contorted theirself into that position?

Hmm. Well, it's interesting. Do you know that Dostoevsky book, The Brothers Karamazov? Karamazov, yeah. There's a character in that book who is writing a paper, and I'm sure that Dostoevsky was not the first person to come up with this, but there's a character in that book who's writing like a paper about how the Romans home the Romans just they adopted Christianity to fit their state religion not the other way around like they basically they they adopted Christianity

and therefore like Roman paganism didn't really quite die away until the Protestant Reformation. Is that why the Roman Catholic Church has all the saints that are basically, that's sort of a vestigial organ of the Roman Empire? Yeah, yeah. It's like, well, it's in the name, I guess. Yeah, it's like, they adopted Christianity to serve their ends rather than like

Like who even knows what Christianity was like before? constant before Christ before Christ Was it Constantine Adopted Christianity is the Roman state religion. Yeah, that was pretty baller. This is the subject to many of the Jack Chick tracks. You know, he was all the time, my man was all the time cooking. Jack Chick. Chick, yeah.

Was that his real name? Yeah, he was all the time pointing to some, you know, Islam is, actually a lot of Islam is ancient pagan moon God. Actually the Roman Catholic Church is polytheistic because it's a You know like you say just get the same man cuz it's got the saints. That is pretty cool Actually, the Pentecostals are demonically possessed when they speak in tongues Actually, mm-hmm, you know

Well, what was his? Religious sect I think he was evangelical You know. What was his religious sect? I think he was evangelical. But like more mainstream evangelical. My stomach is so fucked up. Nine thirty dollars. I've got so much drainage from my not, from my sinuses. Yeah.

It's just constantly got my stomach fucked. I wake up and doing this, gagging in the morning. You remember on like spiked TV, They would have like 1000 ways to die I still think about one in particular somebody was on a slip and slide and there was a nail that caught up Got to them and like spread their entrails all the way down the slip and slide Which I know was most likely a fiction made up by one of the producers I mean it probably did happen, but what an embarrassing way to go Fiction made up by one of the producers. I mean it probably did happen, but what an embarrassing way to go

Like all your entrails fall you just imagine like you're at like a kid's birthday party, which is about the only proper application for Slip and slide right right and you're like Like you're the wild wacky aunt or uncle that's gonna like do the belly flop on there And then all of a sudden you catch nail and just drag All your innards all the way down traumatizing a Small group of middle schoolers in the process forever. Yeah Dude, just to say oh, yeah

I remember thousand one ways to know one of the the Shawnees got hold of so, you know one of the the Shawnees got hold of so you know chief Logan the Like mingo He was like Logan County, West Virginia's namesake and the namesake of like a lot of a lot of dudes born between 85 and 95 and a lot of girls named after 95 born after his real his his real name was like I'm gonna butcher it I can't remember because I'm from memory I think it's like Tagliata or something yeah he was um that does

sound like you butchered it fuck that sounds like a guy you just Cold right out of that that imagination here. It's it's a robust imagination he was a pacifist and Strictly like objected to fighting the white man like he was a pacifist and This guy I think I'm gonna butcher this one, too I think his name was like Jacob Greenhouse or Great House or something. Great House, that's a good name. He invaded, he raided Chief Logan's village and like massacred like 20 or 30 people.

Like this guy that was a pacifist, like strictly objected to fighting the white man. The white man came to him and massacred his family, his wife, everybody in his village. And he wouldn't do shit about it. Well after that he okay after that he was the pacifist no he went like John wick after that he was like fuck this but um Before he did that he was a racist who chief Logan a great house. Oh great house. Yeah Yeah, he was a race. He massacred. It's so like even as a pacifist. He massacred Indian

No, no chief Logan was the pacifist. Oh chief Logan was passed. Yeah. Yeah, okay was a race. He masqueraded. So like even as a pacifist he masqueraded. No, no chief Logan was the pacifist Oh chief Logan was passed. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So chief Logan was the one that went John way. Yeah Okay, he was like fuck this like anyways the Shawnee Found Jacob Green great house. I'm gonna tell you something Not who you won't find it No They like 15 years after the fact like they just found like he was coming down the Ohio River Which in the Shawnee language, I'm gonna butcher another one. It was called the spell a with EP

That was what though held it. That was their word for the Ohio River. Yeah And mine to coincident yours to word for the Ohio River. Mine too, coincidentally. Yours too, coincidentally. They just intercepted this raft coming down the Ohio River and found him on it and they were like, oh shit, we have a special thing just for you.

And they disemboweled him, pulled his innards out and tied them around a tree, and then like cinched, like kept pulling the innards, and apparently he stayed alive for quite a while. Don't you have like a couple of miles in there? I think so, yeah. Something like that, something crazy like that.

They gave him a just retribution specifically they were like okay like you will not fucking will not do this anyway I don't know what that made me think of that but oh spike TV a thousand ways tonight one thing was it was that actually that was yeah yeah yeah if you massacre peaceful people and then get caught and retribution done unto you that was one of the thousand ways I understand listen that's I agree with that like you can't you can't if you've had a grave injustice done to you I'm not talking about you cut somebody off in traffic. I'm talking about you massacre somebody's family.

You can't just put two in the back of their head and throw them in a ditch. You have to make an example of it. You have to be like King David when he cut Goliath's head off and was carrying it through the street. That type of shit. I also like that they, I also like that they had a kind of a complicated relationship with Chief Logan, the Shawnee

did, and with the Mingo's. They respected his game. But they respected his game. And I like the fact that the Shawnee were like, we are going to do revenge for you. You know what I mean? They were like, we've got you. I got you. Yeah, it's just like.

Like, we may have our differences, but like you do not fuck an enemy of my friend But I was thinking of the thousand ways to die because there was one on there That has always stuck with me and I've always heard urban legends about it But it always it's always on at the back of my mind when I get up in the middle of the night to pee Because I always sit down to pee in the middle of my mind when I get up in the middle of the night to pee because I always sit Down to pee in the middle of the night because I'm because in my mind I'm like if I stand up It's gonna wake me up

But if I can just sit down and pee I can sort of still be in that hypnotic I'm gonna tell you something. I don't taste a lot of people will sleep on this Sitting down piss one of the treeless feelings on the world. It's great. It feels like what's for the lazy man I mean for me personally, I don't like to stand. Yeah, you know it gets like a common thing you'll hear some roughneck say is oh you, we stand up to piss, you know. And they're trying to find that.

That's a fool's air. Yeah, no. Anyways, there was one on there about like a cobra or like a rattlesnake or some shit that like came up through the toilet and like Bit someone on the ass. It seems like something yet again another producer may does like right Do you think that there's only about like 17 ways to die? We got a you know really come up with some shit. Pat it out. Pat it out. Yeah, that's some What about in trails on the slip and slide? They're like

It seems a little right like we got we have to make con that's what content creation was back then. Yeah, that's true That's true. What about this? Poisonous snake comes up through the plumbing. Mm-hmm bites him in the nuts. Mm-hmm dies Okay What kind of snake was it caught up there? A timber rattlesnake? It was a timber rattler. I think. Oh, imagine catching some timber rattler fangs to the old sassle. Well what if right when he goes up to bite you you drop a I was right on his face. He's like god damn it Damn it

He's dropping a big turn this spike TV way of killing someone did not work out for me Did that work out pan out for me? Yeah, they've interviewed the rattlesnake. They got his face blurred out. It's like They gave me They told they made all these promises in the end. They gave me $3 American and this guy shit in my mouth Exploited yes, it's a subtitle Translated from snake Or that you're they have like a dub over like they gave me you know how they like do that. Yeah disguising of the boys wine coolers, but they disguise this the hissing and so it's like

It's like low instead of like it's like yeah Yeah, you can't tell No, man, I was thinking this weekend like um Oh man. Man, I was thinking this weekend like um Like I've always kind of wanted to be like a park ranger like everybody has kind of had that dream But like the big barrier. Yeah. Yeah Everybody's at some point Everybody's wanted to chase Yogi Bear around uh-huh keep him from robbing picnic basket. I think so yeah

Where'd that dream start for you? I? Think it started for me when I was 17 years old And I went to the Guadalupe Mountains Okay, go take the waters Take the waters you go take the waters that our lady No, that's a failing kid. It's a different Not the same place at the same place But I

Do like it when I'm cowboy's called peeing making water. I'm gonna go make some water I'm gonna go makes I just drank all this sarsaparilla. I'm gonna go make some water I'm gonna go make I just drink all this sarsaparilla. I'm gonna go make some water But I was thinking like if you're a park ranger One of the big barriers to doing it is like you're enlisted in the law enforcement Well, that's what I was gonna say is like you realize that if you follow through with that a cab applies to that your cop But I was thinking like maybe there's a way to reform it from it within from within so that like You maintain the disciplinary things because people are gonna fucking do some stuff. They shouldn't be doing like

taunting bears and Bison throwing throwing cupcakes at alligators heads That kind of stuff that happened one time. I was in a wedding in South Carolina And we were just walking to the place and they got you know alligators all over the place over there And I every sign says please don't feed the alligator Yeah, please don't like throw them food or anything like that mm-hmm I walked by six people that had these cupcakes from this bakery shop right across street They're all throwing them to the alligator. I was like, what? It's

right there's one thing you can't do. Arguably you can fuck the alligator before you throw it a cupcake. It's right there. Here's the thing about it. You know, some people just can't be told anything. You know what I mean? Well, that is the American way But there are some rules that make sense, and I think one of them is not feeding now I don't give a fucking cupcake to an alligator. Yeah easy messes up his tummy That's what it was for it was not that they lose their natural fear of humans Yeah, they see them as like it somebody that throws them treats. It's actually because all alligators are You know have sensitive stomachs. They're all gluten intolerant. I just think that there's a way to do it that incorporates elements of nature but

also maintains the disciplinary aspect so for example maybe you get water guns and you fill it with I don't know like bear piss or something some sort of raccoon piss something that has like a very strong musk Bobcat Bobcat piss yes need something with a carnivorous diet yeah so good ammonia yeah like a Bobcat piss and that's what you shoot at offenders who are doing bad things like not putting up their food bags or yeah not putting out their fires you shoot them or like you get like a little um gatling gun and put deer pellets in it yeah you're like you're shooting deer pellets at people

it gets not lethal paintballs would be good too with deer pellets well just paintball oh just paintballs see that's not like I'm wear a scarlet letter, you know Every time they wear that paintball spray shirt around they're gonna know lady You were bad boy. All right the campsite if we do a paintball it has to be nature related in some way though So it can't be paint. It would be like a blood Bobcat piss That piss balls you get shot and you just smell like Bobcat piss from the rest of the night. Uh-huh Where you wanted at I'm trying to think I mean, I know you broke the rules where you want this Bobcat piss bomb in You did not put your fire out like what else what are you?

What would be your policy toward bears? They can eat whoever and whatever they want. You wouldn't care? No. You'd let them be the top of the food chain, your part. Yeah. Okay. 100%. And also, didn't we determine the other night

that wolves will raise anything or anyone? That's what, yeah. Yeah, so like we can start an adoption program. Actually, yeah, you don't want your kid let it be raised by our wolves We'll be it'll be like for science, you know Yeah, now there will be some human supervision, of course Yeah, because I don't like the adoption system the foster child the system in America is deeply flawed and fucked up So I think we should just make I know some children honest to God that would have been better off being raised

by wolves. 100%. Including one I'm thinking. 100%. I don't know I'm just trying to think of ways to weaponize nature in a way that's non-lethal but tells people do not do it again. Don't do it again otherwise, woe be unto you. Like, um, bees, bees would be a little fucked up because bees are like. Let's say you have a hockey mask wearing possibly supernatural killer on your hands. In the park, in the national park. What's your policy towards that?

What would you do? You have a Jason Voorhees type character? This is a great troubleshooting. Yes I know if the original killer was his mother I get it but It's one of those things like Frankenstein's monster Actually, Jason wasn't the original kid. I see All right. So what do you let's see how are you gonna stop this um I? Think what I would do is I would first try to What I'm gonna try to do at all times is try to weaponize poison ivy So I'm probably gonna try to, because that's just the first,

in my sick and twisted fucked up game, they should hire sickos and psychos like me, and then like, because what I'm gonna try to do is I'm gonna wear you down with a war of attrition. So first of all, I'm gonna get you Stinging Nettle. You're gonna get Poison. That's the first layer of defense. Yeah, exactly, Poison Ivy. Like you're gonna. That's gonna poison ivy. Yeah, exactly, poison ivy.

That's gonna pay off later. Yeah, exactly, it's going to eventually wear them down when I get to the second and third steps. Maybe poison ivy's first. Okay. Okay? No, no, no, I think that might be later. That might be, because you're not gonna feel that one for about two or three days after

But when you do but Yeah, you got a week of calamine lotion and scratching that baby Jason for he's you're gonna have to do a lot of Calamine lotion. Yeah, like you're gonna think about this for you kill people having sex You do it's like You're gonna roll your ass and stinging that Jason was the one with the ski mask The hockey mask or the hockey mask my bad. You don't there's no such thing as a ski mask No, there's probably I'd say that's somebody's down there. You don't need a somebody's worn a balaclava committed murder Oh, yeah, but like a hard mask you don't need for skiing. You need that for hot. That's yeah

That's not the iconic mask of the killer in question All right, so like You're probably gonna want to Trip him up in some sort of poison ivy poison sumac Yeah, stinging nettle booby trap, right? Yeah, I'm gonna do some booby traps. Yeah first Okay, and um using the plant world. I'm gonna use the plant world. Okay Do that's the first line of defense is vegetation

In the plant world is the first line of defense. Yeah, the second line of defense is going to be Nociums chiggers mosquitoes We're gonna use the smaller now. We're gonna now we're getting to biological war now. We're getting into biological warfare. That's exactly right Like born illness yes What okay? Yes A lot of ticks. Like I said, this is a war of attrition. By the time he gets to the place where he can start killing people, he will be so drained of

blood and covered in poison ivy and bites. We'll just catch him sleep and just drop a whole bucket of ticks on him. That's what I was thinking, like a trebuchet that launches hornet's nests or beehives and inside it maybe I've also put some ticks. Maybe I've done a little bit of like mix and match. That's true, we'll sting his ass and then we'll make sure we get the ticks

that have like Rocky Mountain spotted fever. He may continue his madness for five to seven more days, but once that fever sets in, he's in hot water. He is in hot water, that is exactly right. By then he may have killed all the campsites, but we'll have the last laugh. So true, really. And then the third line of defense is,

like, you know, there is no way for me to harness a mountain lion or a bear. They're gonna do their own thing. They're not gonna listen to my instructions, so. You went to, you go to the bear council and be like, listen, I need your help. Yeah, like they're not. And they just turn you away.

They're turning you away. Yeah, sorry, Ranger. Our concerns are much different than your or natural enemies The bear in the park ranger you say It never worked So, I don't know probably like Maybe a porcupine When you think about a hedgehog a porcupine

maybe like something like that to but a hedgehog a porcupine Maybe like something like that too Cuz like I think you could I think you could deploy a snake You could do that You could catch him in the outhouse with a snake on the ass That's true. You could do that. Yeah Jason's in the outhouse. We're taking a massive dump. Where's a rattlesnake at? Yeah, nobody thinks about like the Slashers from the movies like having to take a shit, you know what I mean?

You know those Jason shits were fucking foul. Yeah. Speaking of the Halloween movies, by the way, where I know Jason's not on Halloween, but speaking of it being Halloween and we were just watching Halloween the other day, did you see that video from the independent debate? It was like political, independent candidate debate

from like with Jill Stein and like two other wackos. It was a debate that they had and It was like televised but this like artist sang the national anthem at it and it was like She totally botched it. It was really bad, but the artist name was Loomis Her name was Loomis and she started singing it and like she fucked up and she goes oh fucked up a Oh, yeah. Yeah, and then they were in never like we're live Isn't it kind of funny that like reality has these like weird echoes like Why would you as an artist name yourself Loomis? It's like isn't that a character from Halloween and isn't it funny that it goes popular right now

During Halloween. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah was this just like an ad like reality has all kinds of little Easter eggs for you sometimes You know, I mean just weird little things like that happen. Reality does have little Easter eggs Yeah, you're right. I've noticed that over there. I think what I would also maybe do is um Probably get a bunch of armadillos and well that probably be part of your bioweapons probably because they carry leprosy yeah but you could do this okay he'll pay a price for his crimes but it might have wait till later on the onset of the illness that is true but I was also thinking you could do some like home alone type shit and For example

Michael Myers is a big guy, but yeah big guy. Yeah, and if he's roaming your National Park Chasing people killing them. You're gonna need to get him on the ground. Well, he doesn't do his thing in national parks, though That's Jason. You keep it between the lines here. Michael Myers isn't going to the great outdoors? Michael Myers is more a suburbs guy, neighborhood guy. That is true. He likes to go from house to house on one night of the year in particular.

Why can't he break out of that a little bit, like experiment? Yeah, like you don't have murderous urges the other 364 days of the year. Yeah Arbor Day, you don't want to kill You know our four days a murderous day boxy day, you know Okay, well then let's okay was this Jason National Park you're gonna need to get him down in some way like I was thinking like maybe you get a bunch of armadillos and you National Park you're gonna need to get him down in some way like I was thinking like maybe

you get a bunch of armadillos and you Release them like they're marbles or bowling balls and he's like Like he can't stand like he starts trying to walk on them and they get under his feet and then he falls Yeah, it's just one one example of a way to bears are refusing to help the bears They're not they're not concerned with no Jason Voorhees. No they don't get into they don't view him like listen. I don't I'm not getting that involved in the tangle of your human conflicts It's exactly right you have this madman deal with him with your own time and resources I know Freddy Krueger is more like a dream guy It's exactly right you have this madman deal with him with your own time and resources

I know Freddy Krueger is more like a dream guy Yeah, he doesn't do anything it well, but you do dream when you're camping out At the National Park. That's true. That's true. You could you are at nighttime You not only have to worry about the encroachment from Jason, but also from Fred Frederick Krueger. Yeah child molester yeah Frederick Krueger child yeah I mean there's let's let's try to think about this one what are other things that could get you in the great outdoors mmm what about like stalactites and stalagmites in caves those are pretty sharp, I guess probably too with with you know Climate change it well that that's that's more the formations in the caves. What are the icy ones? icicles

Well, I think select its are though kind of I think they're like calcium deposits. Yeah, there's a difference though They drip I know that because when I go to Carlsbad Caverns as a kid, they'd be dripping Yeah, there people get killed by selectites falling. They never did no no nobody gets impaled by no But there were like big holes off to the sides of the trail and you could fall down them and people would be like you Just fall forever For not forever forever forever, but brother our holes you fall on time The bullhole upon the mountain doesn't about 20 feet deep Yeah, but you're gonna fall for about three seconds and break your ankles well

Here's the thing we dropped a rock down and you could hear it falling for a little bit. I feel like I've seen the bottom of it. Yeah. If I can see the bottom of it, then that means it's... You don't believe in bottomless holes. Oh, I believe in bottomless holes for sure. 100%. Because the concept is fun to think about. What about, you know that hole that opened up under the Corvette museum? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Town ballerina's got a weird energy to it, doesn't it? I might have some bottomlessness to it.

Maybe a little bit. The earth has so much pressure. That dude the other night who was over here was talking to me about working in the oil fields and how when they vent gas out of a whale a Well, oh well. Yeah, W e The

You forget that like when you are pumping oil when you're drilling your crew you are creating it Okay, you're making the jerk off motion. When you're pumping oil. Yeah, I'm always pumping oil, baby. Yeah, when you're pumping that oil. You're creating motion and energy, and that creates pressure. And the earth has so much fucking pressure in it. And so you have to go up to these wells

and put valves on them. And it's a series of valves. So you start off with a slightly larger one and then you just keep moving down in the series of valves until finally you can vent the thing. And it will, he was like, dude, there is like a three foot high blue flame

coming off of that thing. Like, it's just, because it's so hot. It like gets so much pressure that it creates Incredible amounts of heat. Yeah, and that's why the you have the gas flare like coming off of it. Yeah We should not be drilling into the earth is my is my thing here. I think that that's my point There's too much pressure down there too much too much. Listen these sinkholes. Yeah, what's going on with that? We're gonna see more of those as the climate turns? What's going on with sinkholes?

How's that dictated by, you know anything about that? I don't know much about the sinkholes, I have to admit. Something else I've been thinking about a little bit more lately. Yeah. I've kind of written it off as sort of an 80s phenomenon that people were worried about, but spontaneous human combustion

but we haven't talked about that one in a while what's going on where there are new frontiers on that I don't know give it a little look see what's going on see if there's any new literature on it I think of all the ways to go it might not be the worst you're walking over there having a nice day. Mm-hmm, and you just explode and all you're just thinking of is I'll adult che Vita the sweet life You go pick up some some ice cream some ice cream some nice fruit. You're smoking a cig. You'll make love to your woman Smoking a reason you're French. I don't know why you're just a French romantic Yeah, who has sex with like 30 different women a day and then

One day uses It's just like you're thinking of just how awesome your life. I might let you soon Sex with so many women I love the ice cream and the The pleasures of life The hedonistic pleasures All of a sudden Oh no, this is not so sweet I do not like this very much Oh my, oh my women are going to find me hideous now

Oh no, I'm gonna find me hideous now. Oh, no. Oh, no, I'm gone Really that's really the worst way to go to be a Frenchman Bohemian He had to be on top of the world and then have it all taken from it was probably a harder fall than say happened to me. Did you see that video of Biden? Did you see that video of Biden? Apologizing to the Native Americans? Well it was the okay that one was weird but um the video where he announced he was... I've apologized to a number of women in that same fashion before. You know what I mean? You know what I mean just desperate but simply but largely symbolic He said we formally apologize is that what he said we formally apologize Jesus but there was a video where he was announcing he was gonna go

Apologize and it literally I mean this is one of those Easter eggs of life it literally looks like a cutscene from a video game where like an NPC is approaching you to give you a side quest or tell you some weird facts about like the Emperor's king. Clothes. Yeah, clothes. Yeah, like he's walking, he walks for about like the Emperor's king clothes. Yeah, yeah, like he's walking. He walks for about like three feet and then does a jagged right turn and starts running. And then does he look over the camera

and say I'm running to apologize to them? Well, this whole, this occurs like probably like over 30 yards or so, 20, 30 yards. So you see him walking and then he does a jagged right turn and starts running or jogging. He's really more like jogging. And then he does a jagged. Still trying to prove his fitness for us.

And then he does a jagged left turn and starts walking again really fast and walks right up to the camera and is like, I'm going to formally apologize to the Native Americans. It's such an uncanny video. It's just. Does he offer any land back or no just an apology Okay, well, yeah, that's useless

Virtually useless What are we supposed to do with an apology? Yeah Yeah, well, what are you supposed to say to that Okay, you can't do shit with an apology. Yeah. Well, what are you supposed to say to that? All right, okay, you can't take it to the bank. It's fine. You massacred all my forebears and stole our land Yeah, yeah, and then destroyed our lands and streams Did you know the honeybee is not native to North America and that the way the north the way that the natives Knew the white man was coming generally there was like two ways The way that the natives knew the white man was coming generally, there was like two ways. The first was like they would start noticing marks on trees because the white man's insane

obsession with private property, he would start marking off property. But the second was they would start noticing bees showing up and stinging people and be like, fucking goddamn white man. The whites are nah. They are. Well now we just associate that with the appearance of the Wu-Tang Clan. What? Bees? When bees are swarming nearby you know the yeah the ribs of the gizz of the old dirty bastard. That is true. Somewhere close by. I know I thought that before. But we could that's what that that's what it was. That's that why why I

Guess be harvesting is peak cococity Don't see a lot of APR. Is it is it a period a PIA or? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I had an uncle that was real creep named John L that used to keep these keep me My grandpa kept bees. I think it's's pretty tight but I don't I think it's wrong to steal Native Americans land I think that you can hold the two ideas in your mind yeah I like keep beekeeping and it's wrong to steal Native Americans lands yeah that's my take on the matter. It's my controversial take. Yeah. So you're fine with beekeeping?

Yeah, I think it's fine. You're fine with it? I think it's actually pretty tight, personally. Yeah, I remember being a kid, actually, how I found out I was deathly allergic to bees as I went out to where my family had the bees and I didn't have a suit on or anything because All the other people just get used to getting stung all the time. They don't give a shit. No, it's like whatever, you know I love getting stung. I don't really bother them anymore. I'm a fucking

Massacist me I had about six just hit me do do do do do and I had to be rushed to the hospital I've seen you getting knocked down by wasps and bees before. I love you. Well, I mean, that's because I'm so sweet. That is true. They're like, here comes the sweetie pie. Let's get some of that sugar. Next thing you know, have a little bit of that.

Douche. Daniel Boone, man. Daniel Boone. Daniel Boone. Daniel Boone. What else was going on? Oh, I guess what made me think of the armadillo was that there was an armadillo found in Letcher County.

I did see that. What do you think was going on there? Do you think you just- Well, I wanna tell you something. Something's happening because they found one in Moorhead about 10-15 years ago. They're moving. They're on the move. Yeah well I think they're just getting outside of their range and they're like what the fuck is this place? Or it's just everything's just sort of homogenizing climate-wise that like South Texas miles will be Eastern Kentucky will be Minnesota, you know in the coming future

Or the differences aren't as stark as they once were they think that's what the thing the differences aren't as stark So they're like up here. Yeah, it's not home, but I think that's it. It'll work. I guess I think you're right I think the differences aren't as stark as they once were they found out granted Think you're right. I think the differences aren't as stark as they once were they found out granted it's possible that this was like the result of somebody having like a pet exotic pet type situation, but they found a coral snake The subject of you know red on yellow kilafella red on black venom lack. Yeah Folk wisdom, you know coral snakes are fine, right? They're not harmful. No, no, no, milk snake is the red on black venom lack.

Coral snakes are bad? Red on yellow kilafella. Remember that if you're out there just saying, hey, oh, that must be the other friendly neighborhood milk snake or rat snake. Maybe it's one of those. That's a harmless like garden snake. It looks like it.

But yeah, the coral snake, it's one of those that's a harmless like garden snake. I was like it But you have a coral snake they found a coral snake in Lexington Not too long ago. Well, it's probably been many years Why do they be doing that well they didn't know if it had somehow gotten out of its range or if it was like an exotic pet or whatever but Jesus Christ man, I have a doctor's appointment tomorrow and they've called me like 30 times to confirm I'm like I confirmed already. I thought I confirmed. Yeah, and then I get I guarantee you I'm gonna get there and they're gonna be like You didn't confirm enough. You didn't confirm enough time. You didn't answer them in the affirmative I mean I said I'll be there and I set the appointment yeah but did you did you complete the

omerita process everything is ceremony everything is so overly complicated and bureaucratic that I guarantee you I'm gonna get there I need to go to this appointment I have to if I'm gonna get like my anti-psychotic meds I need you to go to this point I have to do this and I guarantee you I'm gonna get there and there's gonna be some Problem because there's always some problem. Yeah Always. Yeah Well As these things go, you know always some problem

Do you want to do some ethicist sure we haven't done it in a while sure got it Can I pee real quick? I sucked that water down. Why don't you go take a fucking piss? Oh, yeah, once you go home a few barring the snake. I'll go make some water make some water I'm gonna make some water. I Wonder if in ancient Greece they had the handlebar mustache and if Socrates had a handlebar mustache and if Socrates Had a handlebar mustache if he was like Well, I reckon I

Reckoned that the life force of man is located in his solar plexus I Reckon that in life. You got to have some things that you stand for and we're gonna call them ethics Which one of you little pussy bitches Knows a thing or two about ethics. I think this entire episode is going to have The radio Joe Diffie on in the background Damn it's like clear as day. I've never heard it this clear before Is the tide gonna reach my chair?

I'm going to the beach and I'm with my wife. I think I'm gonna divorce her when we get back I think I hate my life and my kids and I might just Run away with some lady. I met on my Ashley Madison website It was actually some dude posing as a white woman And I think she's gonna take all my money, but I don't care because I might just kill myself I think she's gonna take all my money, but I don't care because I might just kill myself. Um, I heard something about Rufo. I heard Ashley Madsen, I associate Rufo with that, eh?

My name's Socrates. I'm a good old boy. Hahaha, I'm from Athens. I'm from Athens, I'm a good old boy, and I was just... I was just sipping my sarsaparilla and making water over behind the bush over there and I heard you talking about some problems Some heady concepts, perhaps I tell they killed me they swapped my sarsaparilla with him Imagine drinking, you know, I like you drink milk. You have a milk mustache. Imagine drinking him like you have a him like mustache You think after he drank that he was like that's good stuff. I'm gonna go make water and die With his hand over my

Home be making Rick. I'm gonna be making water for the last time here a few minutes partner okay let's go to the ethicists there's some there's some good the reason I wanted to do the ethicists is we're closing in on the election and you get the good the ghost of Joe Diffie it has been all throughout the background of this episode That's fine. He just wants to chime in them Kamlan Trump that's true. There's a lot of election related ethicist questions lately. What we got Okay, first first things first. Is it okay to vote for my third party fave this presidential election? Okay, right from the jump right from the thing all inquiring minds want to know yes

I'm caught in a bind between two parties the Democratic Party and the Green Party I believe in the message and values of the Green Party candidate However, they never seem to get elected so many suggest voting for them as moot This feels like a catch-22 But with the upcoming presidential election my peers suggest that voting for a third party ensures a Republican victory akin to supporting the opposition Increasingly my beliefs and values are not reflected on either side of the two-party one-coin system We have is voting for a party that I know will lose more or less unconscionable than voting for a party I don't fully believe in well. Here's that oh

Yeah, he's asking the athesis not me go for he's asking the emphasis Not you, but he is also asking us the ethicist says that The 2020 census counted over a quarter of a billion voting age Americans enormously diverse in national origin religion ethnicity It would be absolutely astonishing if two parties could reflect the precise political values of most of them. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. If you truly have no preference between the candidates you think might win,

then casting a purely expressive vote is the obvious thing to do. In countries with parliamentary systems and coalition politics, supporting a small emerging party can build toward a future in which that party governs. That's the story of the Labour Party in Britain. For that matter, if the US had a ranked choice voting system for the elections, you could

vote for the Green candidate. There are many possible systems for democratic voting, and though some are better than others, all have shortcomings. Yet one choice you won't be able to make this November is what kind of electoral system you're voting under. And our current electoral system regularly forces people to choose between expressing their values and contributing to what they consider the lesser of two evils If you believe that of the two Marty major party candidates one would be decidedly worse for the country than the other

Expressing your party preference could contribute to an outcome you'd least want on your conscience So he didn't outright explicitly say But he did do some insinuating. Yeah What are you saying? I think that I think he raises a good point maybe Voting In terms of like just giving the whole process of shot in the arm Maybe we need to reform the system man, man

Maybe it's not about the parties, but rather the mechanisms that allow those parties to rise to power, you know what I'm saying? Like we got a choice, right? Like as we live in representative democracy. But why don't we have, why doesn't, why isn't democracy on the ballot when it comes to how they get to govern?

Why they get to govern? That's so true, man. I just thought of this. Why didn't earlier I think about like berries, poisonous get to govern. Wow, they get to govern. I just thought of this. Why didn't earlier I think about berries, poisonous berries and mushrooms? Mushrooms, yeah. That's what I was gonna, I thought you were getting to the mycelium. Yeah, why didn't I think of that earlier with Jason Voorhees?

Well, because we introduced a couple of even more ridiculous externalities before we got there. Pardon. Reckon that's why this one went off the rails. That's true. I didn't think of mycelium. Yeah, we could have stopped a lot of those Jason murders

if we'd just simply introduced him to a little something called the Angel of Death Mushroom. That is so true, really. And what we do is we bake us a nice pizza and leave that milk. Yes, you like mushrooms on your He would have no way of turning down the poisonous pizza with angel of death mushrooms. That's exactly right. I Always every time I go to like one of those sort of like Miguel's I'm almost kind of hippie pizza joints So like, you know the climbers like to go to I'm one of those kind of hippie pizza joints, like, you know, that the climbers like to go to. I'm always thinking in the back of my head,

what if there's some kind of joker back, somebody wants to be like the joker back there. And I order mushrooms on my pie, and they actually give me an hell de muerte. Do you know what an Osage orange is? An Osage orange. It's a big ball of, it looks like a brain brain it's got these weird undulations in it and Vesticles and so forth. I think you can use it for like dyes

Fabric dyeing and stuff But it's not edible, but it's hard as fuck. You could you could use those you could weaponize those Yeah, I'm thinking of all the ways to weaponize and kill people in a way that doesn't involve actual bullets. Or your privilege. Try not to weaponize my privilege. But not everybody like I'm not trying to kill everybody. I'm just trying to kill Jason Voorhees. Damn that was my way of not entering the ethical dilemma of... Well, let's say you about third-party voting. Damn, finally. finally pressed on it I Let somebody ask a my hard question I set myself up for this one didn't they I

Think that like I've voted third party in presidential elections many times 2012 2016 actually 12 2016 actually But I don't even try to say 2020 I did you're on the record I am on the record I was robbing I did I voted for mr My dad could drive a fast car My dad he drove a car like my father was such a man He could drive a car I He could drive a car I

Think that every year people say This is gonna be the year that Green Party is finally gonna get 5% and they can get funding for whatever the fuck I don't know the elections bureau or whatever the fuck it's well the latest thing now was butch wear has After making some cogent points on the breakfast club and so forth Hmm, that's since parroted State Department talking lines on the Uyghurs. Really? Yeah, talking points, not talking lines. Although I think that's true too.

I think, oh God, I hate to say this. I know I'm gonna catch some shit for it, but this is just my personal belief. I think Jill Stein is not a good political strategist. And like, I think that she, the reason I say this is not a good political strategist. And like I think that she, the reason I say this is because after the 2016 election, she like went ham, like went crazy about like trying to prove that Hillary won, which she did.

But like was all, I think also into the Russiagate stuff a little bit after 2016 election. Do you remember that? Wait, Hillary won. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like you think Hillary won? Hillary did win like the popular vote. Oh, the popular vote, yeah, yeah, yeah.

But like. I was like, that's an interesting. Yeah, she actually. You thought the electoral mantle stepped on. Yeah, well, but like I think Jill Stein went crazy Russia gate after 2016 and I've never been able to forget it I'm so I've always been like I just have my reservations about her as a she like she says a lot of great things But she is very much an opportunist. Yeah, and and and I think that like if not that it matters

I mean like the other the other option is like, you know craving fucking lunatics, you know, yeah, I don't have any Is like, you know craving fucking lunatics, you know, yeah, I don't have any Objection to green party third parties people voting for I don't give a fuck. I really don't I just think that like I Don't think I think that like you might as well just now vote. I think that might send a stronger mess I don't fucking know. I have no strong feelings about it I guess one way the other do it if you want don't do it if you don't want. Yeah Yeah, I think that's that's my if you want to I think if you think there's some benefit to You know bolster in a third party then then do that

Yeah, I must you think there's benefit to sit in a mess say hey, I'm just not gonna show up at all. Yeah Green Party has plenty of like things I agree with but at the end of the day, I'm a communist so You know and which means that I'm going to take a pragmatic approach And so I just don't really see like to me that seems like a lateral step In such a way that doesn't advance what we want Like you couldn't even make the argument that like trying to do some cynical coalition I don't think it's true anymore. But like as recently as four years ago, you could make some argument. They're like, okay

I hate the Democratic Party. This has been the Communist Party's, you know CP USA is a line forever and I think it's a dumb as fuck But um, you maybe could make that popular front argument, but like with Green Party I just don't see how it really advances the interests of communists It does it does advance the interests of vague progressive values that are up to the left of the Democratic Party But but just you know, it's generic Bennett. There's some generic value to that It's not like don't confuse it for you know know if you're trying to build some sort of like party mass movement or whatever I just don't I think trying to do it through the presidential election is a dead end yeah

I like you're gonna have to start like locally and try to work your way up or something I just don't really see or or if you know Sean Fine and Whatever the little they started a labor party or some shit if they had half a fucking brain between them I think that's the move, you know what I mean, but at this point though, we're all We're held hostage, yeah I mean those the reason they don't start a labor party is because they try to squeeze concessions out of both political party Yeah, and it makes sense. Yeah, but it makes sense if you're Approached to this is not like revolutionary or even reformists, right? Yeah, that's what I always have said

So why are they not doing it? Yeah, because they they're not thinking no. No, they're completely about concessions resting things away for their Like resting things away from their constituents. Getting the most out of power from their former constituents. That's been the labor movement's modus operandi for 70, 80 years. I personally think it needs to change, but I'm not in a union. That's just me being a crank sitting on the sidelines podcasting From the cheap sins. Yeah, anyways, my grandma has dementia. Should I help her vote? We think about this one. This is the Jimmy Carter thing. Like surely Jimmy everybody was like, oh my god Oh my god, Jimmy Carter voted for Kamala Harris. Jimmy Carter, Jimmy Carter. Jimmy Carter. Oh shit.

No shit. He's like no he didn't vote for his caretaker. His custodian. My grandma has relatively advanced Alzheimer's disease and hearing loss. At 97 she's still present enough to recognize her loved ones and enjoy her company. But it's becoming nearly impossible to communicate with her.

In the 2020 election, she obtained an absentee ballot and her immediate family members, including me, helped her fill it out. Her cognition was in decline four years ago, but it was not as degraded as it is now. As I remember it, she held the pin while we did our best to explain each office and issue. Is it unethical to help her vote again this November? Does he mention Jimmy Carter in this?

Let's see... The ethicist says, what to do when it's simply unclear whether she's expressing a view? Various states exclude citizens from voting when they are under guardianship or have been judged to be incompetent, but it won't do to shut out people with mild cognitive impairments After all there's a great distance between the that would be me. Yeah, that cognitive impairment is just mild at this point Political scientists can marvel at what so-called low Informations don't know without thinking that such people should be disenfranchised when the situation is hazy My inclination would be to err on the side of helping someone to Vote because voting is such a central form of civic participation

The vote fetishism is so wild Where does it stem from do you think it stems from just like? recognition of like the achievements of the civil rights movement and all that stuff. It's like recognition of like the achievements of the civil rights movement and all that stuff, it's like Mm-hmm People die and they fought for like your right to vote. So like you they don't even say that anymore I feel like they said that like ten years ago Yeah But I feel like their way of guilting you into doing it now is like you you must just not care about

Like democracy at all. Yeah Right. Yeah You must just not this whole thing where like you can now like basically We've created an apparatus of like we're like just a rat country and ratting on one another Yeah, I just see this guy get kicked out of the Toronto Raptors game last night from wearing Palestine hat dude And there was some little smug prick that reported him to like the usher or whatever Liberals are writing you know how they did

the Amy McGrath letter writing thing? Liberals are now writing people saying, thank you for being a voter, who you vote for is private, but whether you vote is public record, so please vote. So like they- So like, you know what they're trying to do? They're trying to shut out the uncommitted people. They are.

You know what I mean? They're like trying to publicly harangue them to shut out the uncommitted people. They are. You know what I mean? They're trying to publicly harangue them. So here's what we gotta do instead. We have to go to the poll but just not vote for anybody. Go actually punch one in but leave it blank. Yes. If that's what you're gonna do again.

I don't care what you're gonna do again. I don't care what you're gonna do. Yeah, I mean, I think it's, I think the, everything is cooked. People say that everything is cooked, but I think it's the most perfect metaphor for our time. Everything does feel like it's just charred and burnt to fuck. Everything has been left on the grill way too long and

Yeah Hmm, it's like when you leave, you know, you put peppers on there They just kind of turned a little charcoal flake dust for too long. Yeah, you know, I get a little single bite out of it I just don't really see the point of voting in this election. But whatever I'm gonna take some heat for that. But you know, I'm just living my truth really see the point of voting in this election, but whatever. I'm going to take some heat for that, but you know, I'm just living my truth. I'm just making water and living my truth. Put you on main street.

Granted, if you, I mean, there are exceptions. It, if you like live in a purple state or something, I think you have to make that. Yeah. I mean, it's like, it's easy for us to sit here and say we don't need to vote Because we live in a done deal, but if you live in Pennsylvania, obviously, that's you know a different thing or whatever Is it okay to leave the US if the wrong candidate becomes president a Few years ago American friends of mine bought a home in a European country in order to obtain a EU passport They state that they are doing so in the case the United States presidential presidential election goes as they fear

Let's check in on the people that left that expatted because of Trump 2016. What's happened with those people today anything? Um, I Would assume that those people already have like a second vacation home in fucking like Switzerland or some shit. Or were sex criminals trying to escape. Yeah going to places with like very flimsy extradition laws. Right or they were Jason Voorhees and they went off the grid. Jason goes to Ecuador. Jason goes there. They could have rift forever with that man. Jason even went to hell. He did Jason was basically the earnest of like horror movies

That is true. Yeah, a lot of people don't know this, but there is a Jason Goes to Africa and that's Ever since I saw the light of day for obvious reasons. That would be pretty problematic I think they would eat his ass up in Africa though That would be pretty problematic. I think they would eat his ass up in Africa though You only you'd like to second that's the thing man you send some of these slasher guys You know Michael Myers is a badass and hadn't filled fucking bum fuck, Illinois Put him down in the trenches though. Yeah, put him in fucking Bulgaria, oh, yeah Fuck Estonia drop him in somewhere. That's having like an act of civil war and see how it goes.

Let's take him to Ukraine. Let's take Michael Myers to Ukraine. That's a funny concept for a movie. Let's take our finest... Slasher. Jason, Freddie Krueger, and Michael Myers go to fight for freedom in Ukraine Yeah, those Russian soldiers wouldn't know what to fucking do about that. No, what would they do? You'd shoot these guys stand back. Yeah

We are laying the fire on them. I can't do a Russian accent. What is it? How do you do it? Be good girls. Do that it? Be a good girl. Do that, yeah, be a good girl. I'll fill you full of, I can't even. I'm not even close. It's a strike there from me. Okay, where's the time stamp on that? They and I have no doubt that the US would fall to some form of authoritarianism

if the wrong candidate were elected. They and I are white, well-educated, non-immigrants, and upper middle class with a wide range of well-connected and financially stable friends. Our demographic backgrounds are relevant to my question, which is on the ethics of leaving a country because its democratic institutions are failing. As members of some of the groups who most likely will retain many tangible privileges and are least likely to be negatively affected Do we have an ethical obligation to stay and help those? Who will be impacted more harshly than us or is it ethically acceptable to leave the country? What do you say?

What do you say? Let's call it what it is. It's not like you're gonna be staying behind the US to clear the bodies. You're gonna be staying behind here to carry on your fucking normal shitty American life. And that'll probably be I would surmise that for You know for many people that won't look markedly different except for the fact that

Trump is just going to get more and more deranged in terms of his rhetoric. Mm-hmm, but there's also You don't know how things are gonna shake out either. You know what I mean? Yeah, it's also just as likely that Trump becomes like he just wants to be the guy again And he's just going to be like a fucking lazy ass golfer president that really my biggest If I did live in a swing state my biggest reason for maybe perhaps Voting for it would be a vote not for Trump is just that I just don't want JD Vance to be president because I'm getting up there in

years and I feel like he'll probably die in office and so I don't know but I will say this the fact that the Democratic Party has let this singular issue of genocide drag them so far to the right does indicate to me that whatever happens, the US state is transforming into some other thing and I think that it's gonna be authoritarian regardless of who wins and I'm not saying that as like some gotcha I'm not saying it as some excuse to not vote or whatever I'm saying that objectively the Harris campaign has signaled that they have thrown in their lot with other quote-unquote authoritarians who did actually steal elections. Cheney Cheney stole an election. Also also just striking out their opposition to torture and their

party platform. There's no choice here that gets us out of the mire out of the intractable web of Marie clay as the scripture says we're fucked and that's been our position since day one I don't think that it really like I like the ethicists answer I don't share your fear that America is about to tumble into authoritarianism I grew up under civilian and military dictatorships in Ghana My father was a political prisoner. I think I have a sense of the conditions under which Can arise he is right? He is correct. He is right. Like we need to fucking just be honest about yeah

Yeah, like you know, we're not it's not yeah you You know Trump or whoever can have the contours of somebody that is, you know, you wanna be authoritarian fascist in nature, but it's not like there's gonna be, you know, right-wing death squads pull people out of their houses and like, assassin them, yet, yet. Well, I mean, I'm not ruling that out, but I'm just saying like, that's not what Trump 1 was.

Mm-hmm. Okay. Yeah, I think that, I think that um, I think that the I Think that the fact of the matter is is that whoever wins there will be some sort of It feels to me very much like the elite is reaching this point with the social contract that they need Something's got to give something has to change In the fact that there has been a realignment They've got a lot of mileage out of this though

Yeah out of the fight that things as it currently stands like we've put up with way more than even like fucking France would Yeah, you know just I mean Not matters of revolution or anything like that or matters of revolution They like that aside just in terms of like the house brokenness That we have here Yeah It's a I think that I think the thing is is a Yeah, there's no way to intelligent. This is what I run into every election. There's no way to intelligently state your position

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, you always wind up coming off sounding like Either you're whiny and like a juvenile crank and I say or you're morally Uproar, you know, I mean like you're better reason is because everybody's jockein for your vote Yeah You know what I mean? Like you're better. The reason is is because everybody's jockeying for your vote. And Americans have such an incoherent system of beliefs that no matter what you say or your stance on something, you're gonna piss off a sizable amount of people who think it should be done this way actually, or even on the left.

It's like, no, actually, what I've encountered a lot is, and this is why I say I don't really care what you do. Like if you find value in something, you could be correct. You know what I mean? I'm not saying you're not. I'm not saying that, to me, voting third party is gonna have some challenges just because we don't live in a parliamentary system.

If you see some benefit to that, that I'm not seeing, then by all means yeah vote for you know Stein or Cornel West or whoever or whatever your thing is or uncommitted whatever but like you know I don't know it's just it's just you're not going to carve out a position that's gonna seem commonsensical to people it's always just gonna sound it's gonna piss yeah commonsensical to people, it's always just gonna sound. It's gonna piss, yeah, you're right. Yeah, you're right.

And it's because we've been conditioned to ascribe way too much importance. And there is importance to a president, I'm not saying there's not. But we also do live in an era where the buck doesn't really stop with one guy anymore. There was like this ad hoc group of like sort of operatives and players around them usually that,

I mean it started really quite a long time ago, but like hit a fever pitch with the Bush administration, every administration since, so you know. Which is all to say that... I think the question is, is it ethical? I think that's the question like if in the classic philosophical sense Can you be ethical and Like as a person as a as a monad an individual

Or is it the ethical thing to do to sit it out? To vote third party to vote for a Democrat to vote for Republican you know I mean like I've I've I've heard left arguments for all those I have to some real niche you know left this case for Trump is a little very broke but but yeah it's, it's hard to know. It's hard to know. I think just judging by the fact that, um. Yeah, I will say this.

Every option is medium shitty at best. Yeah, exactly. You know what I mean? Because the thing is, is like, in a, in a, um, let's say the Democrats were Because the like the the biggest issue basically in this the thing that kind of throws a gear into the spanners or Spanners into the gear or whatever the fuck and a classic say a classic saying is the issue of abortion and reproductive rights Yeah, that is the one thing that Democrats

Basically have not moved to the right on however, but they've also they've also been inactive not done anything on it Yeah, and that's and this is the thing It's like when you say that like you have to vote for Democrats because they're going to ensure reproductive health But but they have power now have not done that. Yeah, they could have done something. They could still do that. Joe Biden could do that too not. And the fact that they haven't is what gives me pause and says, I don't think that that's an ethically superior choice when everything else... Like, did you see that clip from Kamala's town hall

where she was saying, I realize some people are mad about the killing of Palestinians, but I also know that those same people don't like grocery. They're like, they don't like their grocery. Right. Bills getting higher, they don't like, they want to be able to afford to go to the doctor. It's like.

Yeah, it's gotten to the point where the the the death cult Aspect of them has gotten to the point where they no longer offer you anything what they do is they manipulate your emotions your emotions? Yeah, and it's say like okay fine well then here's their choice here's what we have on offer either these people that you don't know can continue dying or Enjoy paying $17 for a gallon of milk or whatever, you know what I mean? I don't know, so I mean, those are not, those Palestinian people don't have to die in order for milk to be reasonably, you know what I mean?

It's like it's a false equivalence. Yeah, it's a false equivalence, exactly. And it demands from you, it says to you, oh, you're a bad person for caring about starving Americans, is what it says. It says that you're bad for caring about the genocide because you would only care about that if you also cared about.

And also what it does is it hints that you're self-righteous if you hold that view. And that's the thing, and that is a qualitative change. I mean, in some ways this is kind of like 2004 because the vote or die thing was kind of a guilt thing. But it was- When Eminem released the song Mosh in White America. But that was the preliminary.

And he's back out for Harris. Yeah, but that was the preliminary, like you were just starting to see the origins of what would become the eventual Democratic position. Like Obama allowed them eight years of kind of pushing that down the road because they just were eight years where they passed one major policy thing that turned out to be an extremely reactionary Hand, you know, not only a reactionary policy, but it also a massive handout to the health insurance

Industry, yeah, but it also though that that did it that is the real equivalence It dad is the real equivalence though, if you wanna talk about that. I'm sorry, go ahead. Keep going. I was just gonna say, it did wonders for them in the sense that it showed that they actually can't get anything done. But not in the sense that it showed their ineptitude.

It convinced a lot of people that the Republicans are so powerful that they will steal elections, they'll hamper Supreme Court appointees, they'll do everything to obstruct and that gave them so much latitude. And the Democrats will allow them to because their inability to govern that gives them something to run on. I would say it's not even an inability to govern so much as that like they They have no they have to the needle that they're threading is so small because they have to simultaneously

Pass neoliberal policies While also fending off left challenges to it. Yeah, so like they're imperative like they're they're governing prerogative is Very it's very weird like Now that I think about it yet, they're doing multiple things at once they're they're both Kowtowing to the Republicans trying to fight off left challenges and also pass policies that are Essentially neoliberal and just benefit a few people. But do symbolic things like we formally apologize for Native boarding school. I apologize.

As President of the United States, I apologize. So like I think the point being. That's so funny that just doing an impassioned apology as the President of the United States of America. I think the point being is that if you're looking at it from an ethical point of view, um, I Think that like there are some there are things that you need to vote on from like locally like we've got this school vouchers thing in Kentucky But if you're talking about like a presidential election, like I just, I don't really see an ethical path.

Yeah, there is no, there is no, there is no, I'll say this, whether you vote third party, Trump, Harris, whatever, set it out, there are ethical quandary, some more than others to every choice you make. Right. You know what I mean? There are, 100%.

Yeah, obviously some way more than others, but. Yeah, we just haven't been handed a very good, we've not been dealt a very good hand. Can I patronize a place run by a Trump supporter? For 18 months I've taken a weekly lesson at a stable that specializes in therapeutic work. The team here helps disabled people experience horseback riding and non-mounted equine exercises.

I don't really, this one's boring. What do you think? I feel like I probably go to businesses all the time. I never really think about the. I don't go to a business thinking that like, my assumption is that most people that run businesses Great people anyway, so I don't care what how they vote If I need a chicken sandwich, I'm just gonna go get a chicken sandwich. Mm-hmm

My ailing mom hates pot do I tell her what's in the gummies? Dosing your ailing mother. Do I tell her what's in the gummies? My son has a gambling problem, do I tell his partner? So many of these are, is it ethical to snitch or not? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is it? A lot of these could just be summed up with one question.

Is it ever okay to snitch on somebody? Is it ethical to do this thing that the Democrats are now doing which is that? Your voting record will be public. Yeah, and everyone will know how you voted The funny thing about that is it like I don't care. I literally don't I could not give the first most people in my life Don't give a shit either. Yeah. No No, I think America America has People in my life don't give a shit either. No. No. I think America has, I'm closing the ethicists, we're done. No more ethicists today. An ethicist, I had a good run.

It's not fun today, this week. I think the thing is America's at the end, right? Yeah. You think? It feels that way, but it's also one of those things. We have 750 military bases worldwide though, so I don't know how you just. Are we?

Yeah, are we? Are we? Yeah. We could just end up being this belligerent state where we've invested so much in military and we keep doing that. Yeah. Like what America's second actually is just

be a mercenary for other states. Like the Iranians need some extra muscle. We're available, you know what I mean? It'd be way more honorable than what we're doing now. Right. Yeah. Now I feel guilty about weighing in on all those things I hate having to weigh in on these this stuff

Because there's no answer that will satisfy everyone Yeah, and I'm gonna get hate mail and people are gonna tell me that I'm that I should kill myself People are gonna tell me that I'm irresponsible and that I am you're gonna go this man. He votes for Harris They're trying to they're trying to do I'm not mostly because I don't even Here's what I'm gonna plead ignorance, I don't even know where my polling place is I Was gonna go vote on election day, but I don't even know where my polling place is. Yeah.

And some liberal judge, you could go find your polling place by going to pollingplace, findmypollingplace.com. You can go find it really fast. Damn. There's no excuse not to rock the vote. I wish that like, I wish that there were ways we could just like fuckin' utilize that same sort of like gold and shame thing for some noble purpose. You know what I mean?

I think the thing is, like if people just cared about other things as much as they care about voting. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's the thing. Anytime you're employing shame and guilt, I feel like 10 times out of 10, it's for a bad cause.

There's like no, there is no thing that actually like redowns to a good cause if you're employing guilt and shit. Yeah yeah it's like it's like you're already on the bad path if that's the weapons of your warfare you know. The whole fucking campaign is so incoherent though. Jesus, I didn't even want to talk about it. It's my fault, because I did the ethicist voting content. You gotta leave the ethicist in the past. That's where we left it. Right, let's leave it in the past.

Let's fucking do another hour on how to stop Jason Voorhees from murdering five campers who were doing an orgy. Yeah, well, I had a full circle month five campers who were doing an orgy. Yeah. Well, I had a full circle month when we were talking about Eminem bringing out Harris the other day. Eminem, here's one of those little Easter eggs we were talking about earlier. Eminem used to wear a Jason mask.

He did. He's kind of like Jason Voorhees. He is kind of like Jason Voorhees. Now it's safe to say Jason Voorhees, Slim Shady himself. He's campaigning for Kamala Harris. It's safe to say Jason Voorhees, slim shady himself. Is campaigning for Kamala Harris. Is campaigning for Kamala Harris. Whoa.

Also, Detroit. Oh, I don't know, Eminem. Low-key spittin' in the face of a lot of your neighbors. Did you see that Ro Khanna tweet that was like, look at this billboard, it's cynically tying Harris to Cheney. It's like, no one. Cheney. It's like no She did that herself

Like you don't want to be cynically tied to Cheney. Maybe don't campaign with Cheney Everything is breaking down in fucking symbolism in sensibility Like how the fuck do you go out there and shill for the Democrats and Say that it's bad that the Republicans are leaking linking Cheney to Kamala when she herself has been with the Chinese She's done it to herself

Cynically time and then Tim waltz having to say to John Stewart Oh, well, we're not gonna take his advice on foreign policy, ha ha ha ha, as if like the slaughtered two million Iraqis is like, just fodder for like evening show jokes. You know what I mean? Well yes, you're right, like that's first of all, very fucked up, but second of all, Dick Cheney definitely would have fucking done,

they did do in Iraq what Israel is doing in Gaza. Yes. But then also we're fucking gearing up for a war with Iran which as we pointed out is like the dick-chaining crown jewel. That's that's exactly right. I think it's like who's yeah who's gonna bring me war with the Iranians. Yeah. And then that's who I'm gonna support Harris my Harris my kid Yeah, Harris would make that that's so fucking dumb. I hate them walls. I hate everybody Good-looking belch gun is that chocolate swine? Yeah, that's not pretty nice. Huh? Yeah, you like that belt

Belt you like my belt Hey, Tom Dude Bob dear ethicist. I'm a keyboard player for a famous musical act Sometimes dubbed the songwriter of our generation Well, I know the secret sauce to success and it is copious amounts of biscoff cookies before and after leaving stage. Would it be ethically dubious if I took his beloved cookies from him just to see what

he could do without them? Signed Dougie. The ethicists would say, I don't give a damn about no end patch it I think the death the ethicist would say it is ethical if it brings more joy and creativity into the world so Bob needs to be sharing these secrets with the rest of us that's a hell of a job this guy's made for himself yeah I'm just gonna be the referee on all on the moral quadris Their ethicists Is it okay to manipulate nature?

in a way to stop serial killers in national parks without Reinforcing the back of the blue paradigm Ethicist keep in mind mind I have almost zero support from the bear community in this endeavor. Yeah, keep in mind, I'm operating mostly rogue. So my serial killer has no natural predators. They've punted on this one. I appealed to the bear council,

brought them offerings of honey, bees, and salmon, and they still rebutted. And they still rejected my message. Uh-huh. Yeah. Damn. That's the thing. Yeah.

Well, we're over an hour. Do you wanna call or do you wanna riff out some other funny things? I just, election season takes the funny out of me, in a way. It is hard to be funny. Well in this particular one if we're like, you know a different context I think it'd be you know, mm-hmm This one is just but this one's not funny. Yeah, it's produced some funny stuff, but ultimately

Rings a little hollow because there's no good choices. Yeah, so I think that um I'm gonna sex you up Why did they say that what did they say that color me bad? Yeah, why don't you say? What were they meaning by that? It's like I'm gonna sex you like it almost sounds like um when you say sex you up, it sex you like it almost sounds like um when you say sex you up it's it's it's not like it's almost like edging or something it's almost like having sex to not come I'm gonna sex you up wouldn't it be like I'm gonna sex you down if you were trying to come yeah like you know who

I'd a Craddock is I I recreated isn't that her name? She recreated she was like a contemporary of Alistair Crowley. She believed in this thing called Dianism It was like the original gooning Huh, it was like having sex without having to without coming It was like like I said earlier. It's like jam.packed. Oh is this the opposite of onanism? Dianism yeah 19th century American spiritual, that like Dionysus I Think I think it's the Roman goddess Diana Diana. Okay

Is it 19th century American spiritual sexual practice consisting of quote sexual satisfaction from sexual contact, but without ejaculation So you just fuck and fuck and fuck but you never come of quote sexual satisfaction from sexual contact but without ejaculation so you just fucking fucking fuck but you never come yeah says that sound familiar anybody on SSR has experienced that I was going more towards the jam band oh my God, come off it. Why aren't you gonna let go and just embrace it? Look, look, when the jammers can prove to me that they can actually have an orgasmic moment in their performance, rather than just three hours of straight just noodling. Noodling, That's what this is. It's noodling Dianism and gooning is on noodling

It's like you got to come at some point brother. Well, you don't have to actually you don't have to It's your choice dealers choice, choice. Wouldn't you want to? So me personally, people don't have the choice. Personally. I like to come. All right. Hang it up. Let's get out here. We've gone too far. Why are you acting like you like that's a, a, a fringe belief? I know. I don't think it's a fringe belief. I'm just saying that it's, what the wheels run dry when we've got here is what I got to this point is what I mean you don't want to talk about I recratics that dianism dianism not particularly what's Alistair Crowley up say oh um well this is what they this is their thing um critic critics critics suggest readers consult blah blah blah

Hey wait, I'm a sexist guys making prescriptions. I ever was a girl a girl a woman a lady Oh, I regret okay. Okay. Yeah, I was thinking I really like I relevant. I it's Ida. I'm sorry Ida credit Oh, it was a 19th century American advocate of free speech and women's rights. That makes more sense. She wrote extensively on sexuality But she century American advocate of free speech and women's rights. That makes more sense. She wrote extensively on sexuality. But she, yeah, she was like a contemporary, or was she? She actually wasn't a contemporary of Alistair Crowley. I think Crowley was heavily influenced by her. She- Alistair Crowley, I also know of her, Gunnar.

Yeah, no, literally. Craddock eventually claimed to have a blissful ongoing marital relationship with an angel named Soph. She even stated that her intercourse with Soph was so noisy as to draw complaints from her neighbors. She was on some other shit. Like Soph? Like Sophia?

Sophism? Sophist? It could be that. I don't know. But this is what, this is the crux of the matter and this is why Crowley was into it. Craddock, so Dianism is the most difficult, blah, blah, blah,

it exacts self-control at a crucial moment. Craddock promises that as the power of self-control is developed, it becomes more possible for a man to do here just what he wills and no man Who has once acquired this power will ever care to return to the old habit of abandonment the passion For he will see that he was then a slave where as now he is a king From withholding so the trick is to not this is this is the subject of why the no fappers So the trick is to not, this is the subject of a lot of the no fappers. Yes.

She writes that there is a belief among some occultists that an earnest wish breathed at that time when husband and wife are one, will not fail to be granted. This opens as, Jesus Christ, it is said, the door to those who practice what is called quote, black magic, and enables them to work harm upon other human beings.

What foundation there is for this belief as applied to the magicians I do not see, it is really be, if it really be that a wish is granted, then more readily than when the seeker is in any other mood, it is probably because the occultist who attains the second degree has to exercise such supreme self-control at that moment that he is complete master of his subconsciousness

It's like sex nerd stuff sex magic No, I look I've been I'm literally the one saying come don't oh you're opposed to this I'm saying like well, I'm not saying that like three pumps and you're done I'm not saying like don't come in 30 seconds, but also don't spend like three hours like just Voting and like trying to summon some fucking spirit that you can wish harm I'm gonna be honest with you when you're making love to an angel named. So you've gone too far That's I think you've gone you've gone too much good too close to the Sun getting too close to the Sun You've gone you've gone too much good too close to the Sun getting too close to the Sun

Yeah, it was so much so that the neighbors know soaps name, you know Maybe there is some maybe there is some like Something be said for it though, I don't know. I've never tried it. I've never tried to like summon a spirit. Like this goes back to the sting tantric sex thing. If you're gonna have sex for three or four hours then you might actually open up some sort of chakra in your brain that allows you to like summon a spirit. Speak fluent Portuguese or something like that. Yeah, that's true.

Enter the dreams of somebody to hang out with Freddy Krueger. Right. He's like, how are you, how'd you get here? It's like, well I'm actually, I'm in the middle of having sex. We just injured another realm. I also gotta ask, are you really a pedo? He's like, it's a common misconception actually. Well, I was on the Chris Hansen show one time. All right. One time. One time. Chris Hansen show one time. All right one time one time Chris Hansen shows up in one of those like dreamscapes from that round else turn even Freddy And he's just like no it's all wrong here, it's just I told her not to go to sleep I

Didn't say I was coming over Got me all wrong here Chris hands in busting Freddy Krueger in a drink Seems like you'd like to tell teenagers not to go to sleep because Freddy's coming for you Care to explain yourself care to explain yourself. He's just like Nervously with his knife and just like his knife fans right smoking a cigarette with Nervously with his knife and just like his knife fans right smoking a cigarette But it's a dream so there's weird details There they're holding water guns filled with

Bobcat urine like who's dream is this actually? We've got Jason in the back of a park rangers Truck over here turns out it's my dream. I dreamed Chris Hansen. I'm apprehended everyone you bastards And as soon as I wake up you're all done now, I'm having I got Myers left They should be pretty easy though, I have to wait three days to get He's dormant until then this will actually come out on Halloween so I wait till tonight to get in then perfect All right, we're gonna call that one. Thanks for listening. Go to the patreon and support us on patreon and Try to be ethical and all you do

All right. Yeah, that's all we ask. Yes. Try be fucking ethical. Yeah, just try to be ethical in all you do all right yeah that's all we ask let's try to be fucking ethical man yeah just try to be listen think about somebody besides your fucking self mm-hmm see if you gotta ask if it's okay to snitch it's probably not it's probably that's the damn truth rattle damn true brother I'm gonna go make some water and I'll uh I'll see you all on the patreon later