Trillbilly Worker's Party - Episode 366: This Is How I Lose

Episode Date: November 7, 2024

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According to my end, we're recording this on January 21st, 2016. The long 2016 outcome would have been like this. And a nation mourns as an autocratic game show host comes to power. I I do have to say, if you've got Dick Cheney on your side and you didn't steal it You didn't want it bad enough. You pretty apparently you didn't get your money's worth. That's now I'm sure

Did not want it bad enough. Well, I gotta tell you guys something Hmm, you remember the Hamilton electors? Decided going in this I wasn't to take a victory lap on the liberals because obviously I don't want Trump to be the fucking president either. But I am just going to do this one time. You remember the Hamilton electors? You know, like liberals ask you to respect the peaceful transfer of power and the sanctity of our elections

until they get beaten and they want some sort of like electoral college chicanery to swing it back in their favor. Right. Everybody forgets that the liberals have their own forms of, you know, entry level, you know, match fixing. Uh huh. So I got this text message last night. Okay. This is the smoking gun boys.

Somebody. Okay. So I got. So from this number, from this particular number, I got a text on Tuesday afternoon, Barack Obama at 5 39 PM. So with the polls closing on the East Coast in 20 minutes, okay. Most States, whatever you've done so far is not enough Give us $20 to

Dem turnout 2024 So they needed my $20 to push them over the edge at 6 o'clock at you know, 20 minutes for the polls closed Whatever you've done so far is not enough Dollars and trust, they were right. They would be right. You're dirt. You are not good enough.

So give us more money, you little fucking pigs. Okay, from that same text message, okay, which offers a stop to end, you know, text stop to end, you know, you keep quick get the text messages Which I've learned does not actually stop the text messages. He only said you more they only see how that's that Yeah, they interpret that as yeah, no, we would love more, please. I would like to hear more I'm begging Wait, when was this one? Yeah, it was yesterday yesterday at 5 o 1 p.m. Okay? So when they already lost the results are in

Five yeah 5 o 1 p.m. Is when they're pouring their Jack Daniels shot like their first Jack Daniel shot of the Like a thermos or some shit like that I'm begging oh so I'm begging. Oh, so I'm begging. Their hands were shaky all day. It's like I said yesterday at brunch, they're alcoholics, bro. They really are. Like they exhibit all the signs of Alkies.

Desperation and pulsiveness. I'll quit tomorrow. I swear tomorrow. Tomorrow will be the day. I'm just even though the 20 the day. I just need another 20. Start Monday. I'm begging. Sign the petition to pass Chuck Schumer's No Kings Act and strip Trump of his immunity. They've got a they've got some floating around called the No Kings Act.

I guess that's like this was this they're like Joker card. Like this was the January 6th, the election. They had this contingency in place. They were going to like actually like hold Trump accountable. I love that I could have passed this. The no Kings Act would reaffirm that presidents and vice presidents do not have immunity for actions that violate U.S. criminal law. Well, isn't that troubling that it's understood the president has no like a culpability for his crimes? Right. Right.

And also, would it when impeachment like like kind of fall under that purview, which they did not do, you know what I mean, which would have stripped him of being able to run and if only Nixon would have known that, you know, if only Nixon knew he had absolute power. I would have to say to the no Kings, sorry. No Kings. No, no, I do have to say though, to just like imagine being consultant, you know, where like all this money has been poured into like, just like, you know, they just lost and then

you just walk away with it, you know, you know, you just walk away like you don't you don't you don't you don't face any repercussions. There are no ramifications for that. That's just on to the next project. You know, it's like I told you last night on the phone. That's the most frustrating part about this. It's like they will take no lessons from it. Like they won't they won't feel like disciplined or anything in any way.

Like it doesn't even occur to them like that. They don't even think of those in those terms of like we lost like you saw it in like Kamala's like statement afterwards She was like I'm conceding but we're gonna continue the fight. It's like they don't see it in those terms So it's right. It's all flat But also even saying that we're gonna continue the fight We need to mobilize and organize you just beat the shit out of student protesters just a couple months ago like your administration You know what I'm saying? So apparently we can't work it out Your existence is an impediment to the organization actually you don't mean that I

Also want to point out is Aaron and I were talking last night. I brought this over there And I also feel like this might perhaps go down in history I don't know if we'll ever see the true numbers But this has to be the largest astroturf operation in human history, right? Like this whole thing was artifice. There was not a single bit dog. They got no made on this bone No, they had 69 million 69 million votes. They lost 15 million votes from their position in 2020. There was nothing there. That's insane, dude.

Trump lost three million votes from his coalition in 2020. And here's the funny thing is that even if he would have retained all them, he was still imminently beatable. Oh yeah, well that's the thing. So you lost to Trump playing on a bum ankle Yeah, like like the flu game type of shit not even lost to him you got drum Annihilated by Trump playing on a bum ankle

dude, and like it's like all the pieces and The sky is falling stuff on Twitter like this country is lurching to the right like the population is lurching to the right. It's like No, no, he they're on the decline like the Trump ism in the Republican Party are on the decline They're just dealing with it By empowering the middle and lower tiers of their movement That's how they're getting that's how they're trying to steer themselves out of the death spiral, which is coming for them. The liberals are responding to that also similar death spiral by suppressing the middle and lower tiers

of their movement. Is it any fucking wonder? Like they, Trump lost. It's just that like the Harris people wanted to lose even more. It was just such an apathetic electorate man And the fact that they both lost supports in general the support and general enthusiasm on both sides And then also just just the defining image for me

I told you last night Terrence was Kamala Harris hand-in-hand skipping with Liz Chady across the stage, dude So all of these people when Trump says Dre the swamp and the swamp and all of these people, right, who see you hand in hand with a with a with another like career politician, right? And then you're bringing out like fucking Harrison Ford was in some commercial for this. You're bringing out like they did in the DNC Lil Jon doing the roll call for Georgia. All these celebrities, actors, musicians and stuff. And how do you think that looks to like, I don't know, man, like Joe Schmo, you know what I'm saying? It looks like, oh these people are really against me. Well, and colluding against me. Aaron, you made a great point when we talked last night that I hadn't considered, which is that like the figure of Dick Cheney, just in and of itself,

he is just a just a generally traumatizing figure, regardless of where you even were in the 2000s, if you supported Bush, Cheney, or whatever, he just symbolizes trauma in every way. A stolen election, 9-11, two wars, war on terror, paranoid surveillance, everything about him reads trauma. It doesn't matter even if, you know what I'm saying? No one would get it.

It's a square peg and a for a for a campaign of joy You you reanimated this haunt illogical corpse exactly the long shadow of 9-eleven in the war on terror And you reanimated that and repackaged it as hope in a unity tour and still fucking lost dude. That's incredible Who's the who's the guy that that ran that campaign was his name was it David Shore? David Shore, I got a message for you pal. I Think I would KMS. I really mean that's really do well And I think if we were in like feudal Japan like, you know, you know what you know the only option for you Like you know what you know what you know the only option for you

It's go out with odd. I it's like I said earlier though like they they don't think in those terms like they will they won't even Register this as something embarrassing or whatever like they're just as peppy and whatever today like they may have been a little you know Like oh, I guess maybe the numbers here and there were wrong But like they were fundamentally convinced like that New York Times story I read from early October when they started rolling out the Cheney's when they went to the birthplace of the Republican Party in Wisconsin like in that article it said they were confident that all the polls showed voters were more worried about Kamala being too liberal than they were about Trump being too conservative That was their operating philosophy and they were fucking dead

Dead set on it being true. Well, dude, you know, I know it's uh, it's uh, you know the autopsy It's like a little maybe too early to tell but just the responses and the reactions, right? It's always blaming the left that she went too far left. I saw a Richie Torres say something like well We need to get back to kitchen table issues and we need to get away from like it's like so kitchen table issues like You shilling for is Kitchen table issues like you well, this is like giving unfettered support to Israel Fucking waste that's the thing like the entire pitch of this campaign When you really a pair it down the entire pitch was that you should be?

Not disturbed you should be totally fine with like mangled corpses at mutilation Bombing just blood and gore. You should be not disturbed by that. That was the whole pitch. That is a patently psychopathic pitch. That like, and honestly, I genuinely think that like, yeah, is it scary and fucked up? It's not a good thing, but like, I think we should take some solace in the fact

that at least 15 million voters were like, I think I'm good on this. like, I think I'm good on this Right. I think I'm good on the genocide man. Somebody had posted um posted uh these uh, uh People that were going at the dnc the video of them covering their ears, right? When they were uh, the the pro-palestinian protesters, you know outside of the dnc and I have to say I'm I like just that whole entire spectacle. It does give me some Satisfaction that those people are not in power, right? And like you said, Terrence, people rejected that,

because that's insane. People said, actually, I'm not gonna put on the inside out skin suit. Exactly, I think there's something to be said for that. I was hanging out with Tracy Rosenthal last week, and they were making the point that, say, what you want about uncommitted or undecided or whatever, it's very hard to get hundreds of thousands of people to move in lockstep on anything and

like the fact that like that even mobilized that many people is a Is a positive sign is a good thing and then furthermore just extending it to this like I don't you know I don't know if the full 15 million voted or I don't know if the full 15 million are people who abstain precisely because of Palestine, but it sure fucking didn't help I mean Jesus Christ. I mean dude also to again just to reiterate just the Accusations that she was too liberal. I mean for me personally I Think you guys can tell me from all and I think she was like the most right-wing Conservative Democratic nominee in my lifetime at least you know Jonathan Chait saying the reason she lost she adopted too many Bernie policies those

famous Bernie policies like Taken a opposition to torture out of our platform under the cover of darkness basically punting on climate change and and resource extraction oh and Full support for like murdering you know innocents. They weren't even pro-labor necessarily. They don't even talk about labor. They just talked about like middle-class entrepreneurs. So they weren't even pro-labor in any meaningful sense. Dude I when I saw all these ads you know on

Pluto TV and Tubi and stuff all these like 30 second ad spots and I just kind of like tried to compare like how many times she even used the word working class in her ads and she rarely did if not at all It was mostly middle class. Meanwhile, Trump is just talking about the working class and I know right I know it's cynical but again She's there like teaming up with Liz fucking Cheney and all these celebrities and actors and stuff like that I mean she I think she campaigned more with Liz Cheney than any other ally. I think also to talking to Mark Cuban. Right. And not even like all of the all of the shit. Yeah, yeah. A billionaire. You know what I mean?

A billionaire famous for like crushing other people's hopes on a game show. Right. And yeah, and offering Wilson Chandler, a, uh, max contract coming off an Achilles injury, I digress anyway. So a lot of number of things bother me about that, about this campaign. I mean, and I mean, chief among them obviously is the, the genocide and all that stuff. But one thing that really bothers me about their approach and like the sort of berating of people that sat it out or voted third party or for whatever reason is like, have we, we've,

I've made this point on the show before, but like people in the music business will know this. Like, it used to be the case you would release a record and then you would tour to sell more records, right? But at a certain point that flipped and you actually would just release a record because you're not going to sell any records because of streaming and downloads and everything else. But you would release a record and have something to tour on because there's still tour money.

And now with like Live Nation, the rise of Live Nation, all this stuff, that's even eaten into that model again. So that's probably going to flip sometime soon. And like our musicians probably busking again for too long for further dinner. But the same thing has happened with elections. I've just seen it in my lifetime. I'll even, I won't even have to go to my lifetime, I don't even, I wouldn't even have to go to my lifetime. I can just start from like 2000 Bush and let the, the, the approach that politicians take now, it's just assumed all these states are going to vote this way. So we're not going to spend any time there. We're not going to try for any outreach. We're going to punt and just allow the Republicans to have this.

And now here's what our elections are. It's just a battle for like a handful of states that could go either way. And you know, sometimes they flip and sometimes they don't. Remember like, it even, who are the swing states has changed. Trump won Florida by like 5 million votes. Remember when Florida was the swing state? Yeah. Right. Ohio! I mean, he dominated in Ohio. Ohio used to be the quintessential swing state. They lost Michigan. They lost fucking Pennsylvania I mean as we were watching the the results roll in

Which was fascinating because like Tom and I just kept flipping between all the various channels and coverages But like we can never stay on MSNBC too long because it really started to fuck with me because every every ten Fucking minutes Rachel Maddow would start talking about Russian bomb threats at polling places in Georgia and stuff like they're just they're alcoholics We've traced them to Russia. It's true. She's still on that don't they have gas station. She's gone dog. She's gone years Rachel is Yeah, she is from Moscow with love. It's it's gas station. It's it's um It's weird guy approaching you at the gas station pump telling you some shit that you don't It's the guy pulling up with the sublime album at the BLM rally and say he talks about

As we were watching it roll in you could start to see it dawn on all of these pundits and commentators they were like oh wait they had built in one and one path only to victory and you could see them all being like oh wait that path is gradually being whittled down but also but but not only did they only stake out one path to victory they also kneecapped themselves with that path trotting out the daughter of the man that orchestrated mass murder of a not insignificant portion of Dearborn Michigan residents as families and dabbed on them in their fucking face and they paid a price for it because 88% South Dearborn district keep seeing that going around 88% for for Biden in 2020 and

Jill Stein did better than fucking Kamala there this Trump did better in some of those I think in like an East Dearborn precinct like it turns out that it's not fucking popular to just Massacre people's families and the fact that they didn't ask them to vote for you exactly the fucking vote for it That is how anti-social and out of touch they are. It's almost eerie It's like at least in the in the sin in the classic like capitalist sense like Trump understands There's at least a transaction there. It's just like okay Well if you vote for me then like oh, whatever, but like they don't even they're not even asking that There is no humanity at the basis of their appeal.

It is all just like, you should be good with corpses and dead families and entire bloodlines ended. That is why. Also, I just have to point out, running as a Republican light, like I use this example on Twitter. It's like, if elections are liberal bourgeois, elections in, the elections in liberal bourgeois democracy, sorry, if they're kind of an exercise in conspicuous consumerism, right,

like what you buy is a reflection of your individuality or your morals, whatever, why would you go to the store, if you could go to the Walmart and buy the Lucky Charms, right, why would you go to the dollar brand store and buy Marshmallow Madeys or some shit like that, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, that's exactly right. How would you why would you go to the dollar brand store and buy marshmallow mateys at some shit? Well, that's yeah, that's exactly right. Do that as a choice. It just didn't even make sense I mean it just it was just so completely Hollow I mean, I don't know and that's why I like all of the all of the hysterics and Histrionics and doom saying about like this country is lurching right? White young men are more radicalized than ever and there is a lurching right, white young men are more radicalized than ever,

and there is a truth to that for sure. White young men are more radicalized towards the right probably than ever before. But I still maintain there is a massive section of this country that is left, leftist. Like that is just- Look at, it's like you said, you said the thing this morning in the group chat, Terrence.

It's like, look at the policies. In every place that Kamala lost, the policies of the left the things the left supports are wildly popular but Kamala herself is not popular and the reason is because the mouthpiece is broken nobody wanted her in 2020 okay nobody like none of that none of that shit and we thought it was a good idea to undemocratically like anointing her as the second coming run a half-ass three-month Can and I don't give a fuck everybody on her said oh, she run a perfect campaign get the fuck out of here Quit fucking shitting yourself

You know like she'd like it like people protesting rightly a genocide in places where those Families of those people live yeah, and her said said, her girl boss, I'm talking. Yeah. Who thinks that's a fucking good idea? Seriously. It was, the proposition, I mean, there's several different things here, right? Like you can blame the fact that there was no,

I mean a big part of it is the fact that there was no primary, and primaries are just generally where campaigns gather their identity. You know what I'm saying? They usually emerge from a primary with an idea of what their campaign is gonna be because it's been triangulated from the other candidates.

But there wasn't that. And when we had Noah on, I remember we had Noah Cohen on a few weeks ago, he called her, if she won, President Void. But he was right, but it's also candidate void. She was just, there was nothing there. And you could see in the early stages how they wanted to put something there with like the Tim waltz edition like they were trying to Make some sort of like prairie populace thing maybe some sort of like FDR type liberal

Populism thing, but like you could see how over time they couldn't even commit to that right well It's because of the lack of any sort of substance. Right. Because they introduced that, and instead of going like a Paul Wellstone type direction, all they did was just went back to Obama era empty signifiers,

the camouflage hat with Harris Walz on it. Oh, and then they started dressing him up like Dick Cheney. Straight up, they were just like. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they dressed him up like a fucking quail hunter and a crispy fucking barber jacket And I knew I should have known this campaign was cooked And I wish I'd put a sizable bet on Trump winning not because I wanted him to fucking win because I wanted to make money right, okay when

Tim waltz went on John Stewart and John Stewart took correctly took him to task for the Cheney Association and Walt's got on the back foot and like had this like nervous answer because he knew it was fucked up right you know I mean he knew it was fucked up They had this nervous answers like well. We're not gonna have him on foreign policy. Huh, huh, huh like it was some like play matter Right two million Iraqi deaths. You know what I mean? It's like it's like that was the first time where like I saw him as like Just kind of like you know a rub that just kind of has like you know Attached his like you know his good name and bona fides to this fucking piece of shit campaign

And then I started seeing him as like oh, no They've got they've poisoned your brain too. You know what I mean? Dude, also it's just insane. I just have to just underscore that. It seemed as if they were on the right track, at least in terms of actually being an opposition party, right? When they were using the weird thing.

And then we've talked about this and then they just completely backtracked on it. Instead it's like they, I guess it was in order to appeal to conservatives, right, who don't wanna think of themselves or their party as weird. Also too, like maybe, like you had mentioned Terrence, maybe they thought it was too heavily online. But just to call these people weird and then turn around and say,

actually they're our best friends. It's just a mixed message. It just doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make any sense. That's why I woke up yesterday and the first thought in my mind was like her saying week on the view like oh We're gonna add a republic a conservative to the cabinet in my first thought is like well You're sure as hell gonna have a lot of conservatives in the cabinet now. You got what you wanted

I mean, it's just like it was just a mixed message just for any layman who doesn't even really have any like you know right? Just for any layman who doesn't even really have any like you know right one good one good development I saw where Tom Cotton is rejected being floated as the To head the Department of Defense, so that's that's a sigh of relief But then we got don't we got RFK like trying to run the CDC is some That's actually don't hate that I don't hate that as long as we keep him away from vaccines. I think we'll be alright He's trying to clean up McDonald's. You know and I support that I Just want to ask you though like what don't you I do wonder just setting aside all of their flaws and everything They did to throw this which they obviously

all of their flaws and everything they did to throw this which they obviously I'm not saying it can in a conspiratorial sense Like as I said to you Erin last night like I genuinely think both campaigns were trying to lose maybe not in the intentional explicit conscious sense but at a subconscious or even like deterministic structural level I think both of them wanted to lose because there is a death spiral dynamic going on and neither of them fully knows how to like maneuver out of it and so but like that being said I almost kind of wonder if it wouldn't I almost kind of wonder if the fate was already sealed back in like February when Biden just refused to drop out like because one of the reasons and I know I the fate was already sealed back in February when Biden just refused to drop out.

Because one of the reasons, and I know on Monday's episode I called last minute, I was like, all right, I think Harris has got it. I think she's probably gonna do it. And there were a few reasons for that, mostly just because I just kind of felt vibe wise that the Trump thing was paper thin. But I always forget that like.

And it is. Yeah, and it is. It is, it's just they're thinner. And it is. Yeah, and it is. It is. It's just they're thinner. And they just, yeah, you're right. They are thinner. And you're right, like the only person stupid enough to lose to a conservative is a liberal, and that's the unfortunate matter.

Twice. How do you lose to Donald Trump twice? Twice, man. And this is what I was like, this is like, I went over to Tom's house on election eve on election evening I'm like at 7 or 8 p.m. Before like the results really started rolling in and they had a poll They showed a poll from Wisconsin that showed Biden's disapproval numbers at 70 I think it was like 73 percent and at that point I was like oh Fuck like you know and and I think that like that's a big part of it too people just associate Her with Biden who is a deeply unpopular figure

Probably because I just genuinely feel like it really does come down to Palestine I really think that is a huge issue not really necessarily because of people's thoughts on it or because they have a strong moral Conviction but just because we watched for one fucking year the leader of another country just bully and bat and pawl around the leader of this country and at a fucking basic level, if you're just a voter, you're just gonna... Wild bananas cost nine dollars a bunch. Exactly. It makes you look incompetent.

It does. It makes you look like you're not willing to exert any power or influence other besides continuing to ship them weapons, right? So that people can watch dead babies on their fucking phone for a year straight. Well, and that's the thing, like going back to this summer, like thinking about the Nancy Pelosi thing

and then finally getting Biden to drop out. And I think even at the time I was like, damn, you know, Nancy, she's still got it. She can do her thing. But like, no, the big I was like, damn, you know, Nancy, she's still got it, she can do her thing. But like, no, the big failure was them not doing that in fucking February. Like they fucked themselves, but like, the fate was sealed way the fuck back in the spring,

I feel like. Right, that's so true, that's so true, because it also didn't give Kamala enough time to like actually develop an identity that people could latch onto. Yeah, I mean, yeah. I just, yeah, I'm not giving, I'm not trying to let her off easy.

I'm just saying that the whole thing was botched. We just watched it be slowly stabbed to death for nine to 10 months. I don't know, but I don't know. Going back to the thing though that you said about Tom Cotton and them potentially staffing the, or trying to implement their new vision.

Like, I wonder what they're gonna try to do. Like, I was laughing yesterday, like are we gonna see some classic strongman tactics? Like, I'm excited to see some classic strongman tactics. Yeah. I'm nose for ought to to head up the Department of Defense. And that's fine, that's what I'd do. I'm those for off to to head up the Department of Defense I want to see I want to see if I if I was in it people keep saying he's an authoritarian if it was me I would actually do some authoritarian stuff like I want to see them move

The US Capitol to Las Vegas like right literally, you know It's like on a trailer they like that You know how you pass one of those double wide trailers on the highway like they're Moving the White House like on America's Caution wide wide load Pennsylvania Avenue relocating to the strip I'm just curious when he talks about political retribution, you know for his political enemies I talked to actually about that last night turrets like what is that actually a tale is he gonna chop?

Mother fuckers out to like the National Ball. Hey kill them in broad daylight They think that's the thing I Was when I sat next to that guy in the plane? He was literally convinced of that he was like no they're gonna come after people like me they're gonna and I was like I Don't think that's the truth, but I'm very concerned that you think it is I This is the thing about the lives bed like we joked about them doing their own January 6, but they wouldn't even do it You know no they're even do it bad to bitch ass They're totally demoralized honestly, I brought this up when we were eating lunch yesterday, Tom, but like, I genuinely

feel like you're probably gonna start to see like resistance lib fatigue. I don't know if there's gonna be a resurgence of it. You might see pussy hat fatigue, man. What do they have left? They failed in the press, they failed in the courts, all the institutions they relied on to stop it have failed. They've failed and now are also occupied by the opposition. You have to ask yourself how that happened.

Right, right. And the resistance slips too. It's all the things that they would have resisted against that Trump would have supposedly done. I mean, a lot of these things happen under a Harris administration. The no kids in cages. You can't resist against no kids in cages. When we've been watching women seeing children die and slaughter Yeah, here's also a total a total fucking like just straw man

Right, I didn't did port of more dreamer kids in his first year in office than Trump did his entire four years But yeah, that was it was the kids and cages at border Everybody was confused about and then nobody then there's like okay after we won then we just never heard anything else about it Yeah, I Mean dude, it's the same thing with abortion rights though. I guarantee you now that they've lost I mean, I do not think we're gonna hear about this again, right? I mean at least if I guess Kamala had won, right? There would be I don't want to say the left would exert pressure

But I mean, I think people would be like well, you said you were gonna do these things, right? But because I guess just the way that I mean everything hinges upon the most important election of our lifetimes every four years, right? But you're not gonna hear about this shit again, man. I really doubt it. Well, they have a lame duck. They could do all those things. They have fucking two months and they could do all the things, you know, that they said they would do. This is a challenge to the libs out there, okay? If you cared so much about codifying Ro and everything, and we all do, okay? I'm not trying to tap dance on you. Make them do it right now before

they leave. You know what, better you- He's got two months, he can do it. Biden should resign and just hand it over to Kamala and let her just for the next two months, you know what I'm saying? Let her be the driver CEO. Let's see what happens. Give her a shot, man. You saying that- Stand down and let her be the president for. Let's see what happens. Give her a shot, man. You saying that just- Stand down and let her be the president

for two months as a little treat. Yeah, he's so dowdy anyway. I have not seen this guy in public for weeks. It would actually kind of be funny because Trump's like, he's already doing 47. He's like 45 and 47. Make him be 48. Like after they've spent all the numbers,

like 47 on all the swag, actually put Kamel in for like two weeks and like making beef like 48 God Dude, just some of these numbers are really astonishing like she she gained She increased the white vote from 2020 so like more people voted for more white people voted for white dudes for Harris white There's white dudes for Harris, but she decreased the non-white non-white vote by like six or seven percent from 2020 It's just like it's just like it's like I said to you last night Aaron like it turns out that if you just are Genociding brown people every day on fucking live television

You know people of color are not gonna vote for that. It doesn't matter if you are a black woman They're gonna be like what the fuck is going on. Why would you do that? People of color are not gonna vote for that. It doesn't matter if you are a black woman, they're gonna be like, what the fuck is going on? Why would you do that? Why would you support that, right? It is truly sickening, I have this pet theory. It is truly sickening that you would have a much better chance of some Dagestani UFC fighter

getting in Trump's ear about ending the genocide in Gaza than you would the Democrats doing anything on it. Like, I really believe that Khabib or Islam Makhychev the genocide in Gaza, than you would the Democrats doing anything on it. I really believe that Khabib or Islam Makhychev getting in Trump's ear would yield more results than anything the Democrats could try. We're working around the clock for a ceasefire. Well, you've been working around the goddamn clock for a fucking year and we've got hundreds of thousands of people dead.

While beating the shit out of pro, while appro approving right or sanctioning right like students college students and people getting asses what about a police right yeah which let's be clear that ain't gonna get better under Trump fuck no that's a that's you know but it does come with its own contradictions and the hysteria and everything is like people need to calm the fuck down and I'm serious like I mean I understand it's very scary and I'm serious like I mean I understand It's very scary, and I myself am uncertain But nothing is inevitable and everything brings into existence its own contradictions

So I was just talking to with my buddy Alex about this last night like if you game it out like they're talking about like You know if they do try to deport two million people if they do try to like put national guards in every city dog, that's that is a recipe for social unrest that will unravel the social fabric because This this happened in Tsarist Russia. You had like fucking army off, you know army Soldiers basically having to do the job of everyday policing and like that means you have to barracks them you have to feed them you have to put all of these but you have to in induce discipline along along these lines like that's a

recipe for like get officers getting fragged and like you know I mean like just genuine disorders and shit yeah like just don't nothing is a fait accompli like genuinely like everything brings into existence its own contradictions and opportunities for unraveling So I mean I just I don't know I'm just advising people to like you know Don't don't give into the doom or isn't don't give into like the fatalism like there is a just be nimble and just kind of like understand that like Not nothing is that that's the and that's the thing that's killed me about the liberals for the last year like they have

Internalized this sense of fatalism that once he wins everything's over. We're in new We're in a totally substantively different world where like authoritarianism reigns and everything will be dead and blah blah blah It's like that's not how human history works It's not how and this has never been the case never been the case There's always been resistance, which is the fucking hilarious irony of them adopting that term But um, I don't know, you know what? You know what I was thinking about too many we were talking about um, you know the other day on the patreon like this Faustian bargain right with the odious figure like Liz Cheney and What did you get out of it? You lost but what did Liz Cheney got out of it?

Even if she doesn't like Trump, they're still in power, right? The Republicans are still in power so you what you did just made no sense at all You know, you just shadow yourself in the middle of the supermarket. You know I'm saying that you can't even clean it up For what? I don't know. I just I hope the Hamilton electors come through and tall I hope this honor They come riding through American towns on a horse well listen let's not discount the no Kings acts Bill true hold him account okay, that's it were me Here's if I were in Chuck Schumer shoes

I would do every the every man a king act and basically what that would do is it it would take All us pros and give us immunity, you know, I mean we can do whatever we want You know what I mean with no repercussions it takes it takes not like the purge. It's more of it's not like the purge It's more like purge really. Yeah, it's not purge. It's more like kind It's like the purge if it was like ran through the filter of kind vibes You know that you know what they you know what they should do actually wasn't it a wasn't it Cincinnati's who is this? What was he like? I think a Roman farmer who was kind of deputized right and chosen right to actually the greatest city in America That's right

Actually, but they he was a Roman consul and then he relinquished the reins of power to go be a humble farmer and then they asked him to come back. Right, they should have the Cincinnati Act. Not unlike Donald J. Trump if you think about it. You're right, Aaron, the Cincinnati Act. Everybody gets to be president for a day, baby.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh my God. Oh shit. I don't know. Everybody gets to be president for a day, baby I don't know what it would I Mean as we're recording this it looks like they're gonna take both chambers of the they got the house I mean, it's looking like it's on the court on the path I mean, I don't of course anything could happen, but like they're definitely on the Anything could happen, but like they're definitely on the past so all the Dow ballot shit bow a dow ballot didn't even work well, yeah, that's the thing like across the board this was a fundamental rejection of

Democratic policies and and the party cuz yeah, even the down ballot shit didn't work Sherrod Brown got washed John Tester got washed. They got fucking thumped, bro, across the board. Well, the latest as of right now, you need a 218 majority in the House, and the GOP's at 206, and the Dems are at 192, so it looks like, it looks like, yeah, the Republicans gained a seat, and the Democrats lost a seat, so, but that's still with like, you know, obviously more to come in

Yeah, I mean, so yeah, I guess maybe it's a little premature to say it was like a across-the-board Grandslam, but I mean they do have the Senate for sure, right? Right. It seems like they have I mean it seems like they have a man I mean, they've got the Senate. Yeah, 50 to 45 As apathetic as this election was it does seem like you know I don't know if they necessarily have a mandate, but I mean they have the Senate They might get the house you know and of course they have the presidency they can they can they can do the thing that Democrats Don't do when they have power which is you know I think governor I guess I think that and it could this could be a bad thing I just I genuinely can't tell but I think we should derive some sense of like pride and a little bit of power

from Telling them like we're not gonna fucking put up with this anymore like it's just you are offering us nothing dog On MSNBC the other night Joy Joy and Reid was like George has a baby blue state and it's precisely because Stacey abrams has just been working her butt off down there It's just like you guys you you if somebody's a brims now or stacey abrams now if Young adult Dude if someone had kidnapped her family and was like at gunpoint like we're gonna fucking murder your entire family Dependent on your ability to internalize the idea that Stacey Abrams is a loser

Who will not get you anywhere? They would still be like no she's great, and then they would just a set execute her entire do yo yo son I'm just thinking about it like so they ran a candidate who didn't win like who didn't win a primary right? You know who was a total loser right like also? I'm thinking of Jamie Harrison from the DNC this guy that they put up who fucking Lost his lost his election, but they put him as and which apparently he's not going to return as chair of the DNC Well, it's just it's just complete loser to all the fucking way down You know he'll between him and Amy McGrath

They spend an obscene amount of money to lose both their elections and they both got rewarded for it Well, they did they love to reward losers. This is what I'm talking Harrison Yeah, he got he's like the what he's like the what did you say is the head of the chair of the DNC? We're a chair of the DNC. That's what he got for Spending a goddamn war chest and losing okay in South Carolina and Amy McGrath you still have her A lot of people seeking her opinion on TV Why are you asking losers and stay in Stacey Abrams to again the valor is the valorization of Stacey is another fucking loser, dude It's possible that like because I can easily see the liberal rejoinder to this being like well Then who do you propose like who do you put up because like I guess in another reality?

I would say someone like Charles Booker who would be able to like kind of Articulate these things a little better and then obviously that didn't work either. So like maybe the, I mean it's possible. I'm gonna tell you in sports parlance guys, this is what we call rebuilding here. Except you get four of them. Actually two of them, okay? You gotta clear the benches, you gotta hire a new coach, you gotta do something because this shit is cooked.

You gotta take them out to pasture man, you know. Problem is, problem is, went to the back of the head. If our hypothesis is correct that the democratic party is basically a fundraising organ masquerading as a political party then it's it's possible that we're just going to live this until people quit giving them money. Right. Yeah it's like I said a second ago this I mean if you're giving democrats money still like you need your head examined in ways I came in Especially after they lost you're rewarding though. It's just it's like I said the the astroturfing is phenomenal like that at this point And I'm pretty sure Republicans do this too I don't really know

But like I can definitely say this is true for the liberals They purchased so much ad space and more importantly social media space that they really do Convince a lot of people a lot of well-meaning people that they are definitely gonna win and like that's part of the cycle in and Of itself like they convince themselves that the polls tell a certain story And then they convince a lot of these other people through mechanisms like social coercive mechanisms like social media and tell a certain story and then they convinced a lot of these other people through mechanisms like social coercive mechanisms like social media and just mainstream media that they've got it in the bag and I feel genuinely sorry for a lot of these people because I mean like

I mean I said on Monday like I think Kamala is going to win but like I was by no means surprised I drove home from Tom's on Tuesday night my face was just like yeah I mean exactly how I thought it was gonna go actually Not in any way surprising. It's just Do you think do you think maybe this is a silly point to make but um, or maybe it could be part of it I don't know But do you think that the apathy the general apathy that we saw was because people were getting text messages like 20 times a day You know say the ads like people were just like I mean maybe just generally just disgusted and apathetic in general not necessarily towards the Democrats or a Kamala.

But I mean, it just felt like an over exhaustion, you know, like everyone was so much waiting. Right. It was like an edging and edging exercise waiting for this, you know, and then maybe on election day people like, yo, I don't think I'm gonna punch one in. I'm gonna stay home today. I think so, yeah. And it'll shake out how it shakes out without my participation perhaps. Yeah dude, it is weird. I don't, the Amy McGrath, it just is giving very much Amy McGrath.

But like I said, I don't necessarily have an answer in the electoral realm because I just, it seems like they've tried a bunch of other stuff in a charismatic guy like Barack Obama I mean we have to also accept that like Barack Obama probably only one because The Bush people were so unpopular which makes it even more dumb that they just recuperated the one fucking guy from that anyways But also Obama was a good vessel he right vapor there. There was nothing there as we would learn, but he was a good vessel. He right vapor there. There was nothing there as we would learn but he was a good vessel He was charismatic. He was like, I think I saw a video of like David Graber talking about this Like he was great at like staring out into the distance. He was a man that looked like he had a vision

yeah, everybody else looks like a like a copy of a copy of a copy of a facsimile of Them trying to do Obama. Like we've talked about the Pennsylvania governor, like doing Obama's voice. Mayor Pete, like, incorporating Obama's things. They're so high on the fucking Obama pill, a total vapidity that should be excised. Like, it is truly a shame that somebody that vapid, it held that historical significance. Right. Right. It truly is a shame that somebody that vapid, it held that historical significance.

Right. Right. Right. Truly a shame. It's like Napoleon the third type shit. Who is this? He's a cipher. Also too, just have to reiterate, underscore, it's like, I feel like the modern democratic

party since like, you know, 2008 I guess, right? Maybe the 2000s. It seems like it was a repudiation to that brand of conservatism, neoconservat guess, right? Maybe in the 2000s. It seems like it was a repudiation to that brand of conservatism, neoconservatism, right? Not to say that liberals, Democrats weren't on board with a lot of this shit as well, but at least it had this forward face, right? That oh, you're tired of Bush, you're tired of the Republicans, this is a fresh new face. Once again, you reanimated that hauntological ghost. You reanimated it in the face of Liz Cheney and all these fucking neocons

and the current slaughter going on in Gaza. As if that was a good time that people remember fondly. Yeah. It's like they were intentionally traumatizing people. They really were. Well, it also makes no sense that like if, it is true that the Harris campaign was trying to be a reasonable facsimile

of the Obama campaign, and the Obama campaign was a repudiation of Cheney's policies, right? Then why in the same, like were you just trying to make it 2008 again, literally, by just bringing in 2008 characters? But like the two characters who were at odds with each other, you know what I mean?

Who were like enemies at the time? It just doesn't make any sense. I think the thing is, is they, their emphasis on the joy thing, and I've said this many times like another exit poll I saw when I was over at Tom's, it was like they had exit polled a bunch of people. Yeah, I think it was from like Wisconsin, and it was like 44% of Republican voters were saying like what animated them was anger. And it's just like that's correct.

That's what politics is. It's harnessing anger towards anger, legitimate anger. It's not like giving you warm fuzzy feelings. It's not about trying to make you feel like there's joy and hope and everything. Or nostalgic. Yeah, exactly. It's it is harnessing anger at the understandable Conditions the you know I mean the gradual erosion of our lives and our stability and our dreams and our hopes There's anger over that and they just don't they would rather not only ignore it

But dab on you with Liz Cheney and Richie Torres It's and and again and again I think it's honestly I think it's kind of inspiring in a way if it could be scaled up or harnessed in some way I almost kind of feel like it's inspiring that 15 million people said fuck you No, fuck off like I'm fucking like that's a start for me to me 15 million. That's a start No, it truly is man like that's a start for me to me 15 million. That's a start No, it's really is man because it's a rich. It's like we it's like we had said on the Patriot or you had said this time it's a rejection right of this normalcy right of this normalization, you know, here's my thing Okay, they have internalized it that like people don't care about conflict in other places

And like if you truly were trying to duplicate 2008, you should have taken, instead of bringing in the person responsible for the Iraq war, here's what you should have did instead. You should have realized people don't like fucking war. People don't like war. People don't like conflict. You're harsh in the mellow. Even people that are disconnected from the Palestinian cause don't like that shit Okay, like like what more do you have to fucking tell you you can't just go around making more all over the fucking place

And cow town to these fucking like animals It does it does seem like a trueism of American history at this point that liberals start wars and conservatives Execute them with the one exception of Bush Cheney, which is why there might be a credible argument that they did do 9-11 so that they could be the first conservatives to be like, actually we get it's like that Lindsey Graham thing to but what he said to Biden. We were talking about a few weeks ago where Lindsey Graham was like, well if we do have war like Biden's gonna have to be the one to sell it because liberals are really good at selling wars

to their constituencies. Weirdly enough, conservatives are kind of, and that's why I think it's a kind of question mark as to what happens with Israel and Palestine because, and this is why I've always kind of wondered, do we know for a fact that Netanyahu favors Trump over the liberals? Because the way I'm looking at it it the liberals will let him do anything he

Wants because even if it means a regional or world war because then they can get the United States into our war where it feels like the Conservatives are kind of like averse to that they don't want they don't want a world war It seems like not that they do they do but they don't want to like make they don't want to have to start drafting people and making people go fight for it and stuff because that's just not a Right. I don't know right. It's also Adam. I don't know man It's also just weird to think that her comments about America having the most lethal fighting force in the world You know like her also talking on I think it was the view about how like oh she has a gun and if someone you You adopted all this right-wing framing once again that just either had mixed messaging or just didn't ring true to people yeah or

they would just before a Republican do that all right god damn people this is just this is no fucking great rocket science people don't like war people don't like the rich getting richer if you just start with like a two-year-old's understanding of like social dynamics you could run a better campaign than I don't like the rich getting richer. If you just start with a two year old's understanding of social dynamics, you could run a better campaign than the fucking Democrats. Yeah dude, it was genuinely teenager shit. It was not even that.

It was watching a middle school kid run a class president campaign. It just made no sense. It was incoherent, it was insulting, condescending, it was vapid and I... You didn't point out, I mean she tried to do the, she tried to kind of just reanimate I guess 2008. I'm thinking of when Obama said,

there are no red states, there are no blue states, the only the United States of America. Right. And she was like, she wants to be a president for all Americans. You know, I wanna have a bipartisan cabinet. And I'm sorry, if what motivates voters, Republicans is anger, like pointing at an enemy, not even self-victimization, sure,

but saying like, oh, these are our enemies, to be honest, what Bernie did, what Bernie did in 2016, right? Pointing at the 1%. But you can't have this unity message when like, people just do not feel, that doesn't ring true to people, you know? When everything is so contentious and you're trying to like smooth it over and the same thing she said in her concession speech, it'll be okay.

It'll be okay. You know? For you. You don't even have a fight in you, yo. You're just like a sad dog that's been kicked across the law. You don't even have anything inspiring to say you know besides It'll be okay Listen, I don't give a shit how much Mark Ruffalo comes to you and says that we need a six hundred percent match You you're not to give them a red fucking scent for any down ballot race anything anything, anything, till they can act, till they can show that they can run a competent like campaign that's focused on issues that

their constituents care about. I'm not talking about the ace thetes and the fucking MSNBC media and shit, the Joy Reads of the world and the whoever else. Okay. I'm talking about like what the kind of campaigns you're running do not reflect the kinds of popularity of the issues that like in these states. I would just does it.

There is a massive disconnect. Yeah. And then the other thing I would say is that you should start robbing Democrats too. I'm not talking about people that are Democrats. I'm talking like I'm talking like if you see Adam Schiff on the streets, you should like Jack, go upside his head take his wallet You know what I mean that we need to go back we need to go back and get our money from us What they're putting us there

Tom I would even go so far as that you're exactly right I would even go so far as that I'm shit even a Democrat just seems like one of those guys I get an email from All the time I think I think he might be like an you might be a never Trump a Republican was he oh what was he doing to overseer? Like the the the impeachment process. No, he's I don't know. He's a Democrat. Yeah, okay. I can't remember I can't keep him on straight. I just know who I get emails from and calling all red I'll never I Didn't give you a red like I got more text messages from Colin all red and that fucking race against Ted Cruz And anybody else I've ever gotten anything from I don't know a thing about this guy

But he thinks for some reason he thinks he needs $32 of my hard-earned money Well if my ill-gotten money I worked hard to get to steal that $32 off Adam Schiff I would I would even go so far as to say that like the whatever candidates they put up again I'm I'm kind of struggling here because I'm of two minds about it. I'm one mind of like well They're not gonna learn anything so just let them die In but I am of another mind of it Which is that like well if they are willing to listen it's like you're gonna have to put up candidates that want policies that people want but

even more fundamentally you're gonna have to put up human beings who understand the dynamics of humanity which one of the principal dynamics of humanity is people generally don't like it when you murder their entire family that's just kind of a thing. I'm gonna give you a little free game too I'm gonna give you a little free game too Rashida Tlaib would kill in Eastern Kentucky. I'm gonna give you a little free game too. I'm gonna give you a little free game too. Rashidi Tlaib would kill in Eastern Kentucky. I'm serious, like somebody that's like a real ass person like that, I don't give a fuck what color they are, what gender they are, any of that kind of stuff

that you seem to think that like, people from like places where I'm from are like, and I'm not, listen, I'm not saying America's not racist. I'm very sympathetic to that point because you got a strong body of evidence to say that we're a very racist country, okay? So I'm not trying to say all that. But what I'm trying to say is that like when you're saying that Kamala lost because of

any identity thing or you know America hates women or anything like that, I'm not saying that those things are not, there's not truth to those things. I'm not saying that. But what I am saying is that like you're never going to win if like you don't improve your outreach to places like and you're just Punting and I'm not even talking about from where I'm from like whatever Nobody knocked on my door brother. You know I'm saying I in 2020 when Biden was running the canvas actually came to my door, but nobody came to my neighborhood I guess because what they thought it was a solid Democratic

Majority, but like I mean people apparently stayed home. They run these campaigns like a business dog. They they raised record amounts of money and then tried to figure out how they can cut their overhead from there so they can keep more of it. And then the other part is this is like I was talking to my cousin and he was like the first thing he said to me is the same thing me and Terrence were talking about the other day is is Like polling is like basically like you know dividing the cards, and that's actually an insult to people that divine cards You know what I mean? Yeah, my cousin made such a good point to me He said do you have you yourself or do you know anybody that's ever been polled? Right yeah

Polled have you ever have any of you ever been polled? No, I've never been polled. Right. Yeah. Right. I've never been polled. Have any of you ever been polled? Nah, I've never been polled. We talk about politics for a living and none of us have ever been polled and I would venture to say we don't know anybody that's been polled. Well this is what I said to you after, this is what I said to you yesterday morning, which is that like, we're not going to get any introspection or self-reflection from the Democrats, but can we at least all admit that polling is a pseudoscience? There is nothing about it that's like empirical or dog for fucking two months They had them neck and neck on a razor's edge margin and it turns out that was a fucking blowout

A poll is just a story that people want to hear. It's not like it has no actual bearing in reality. It's right up there with narrative. Like you know, you always hear people that are veterans of the NGO left will always hear, you know, the narrative, the narrative, what we're putting out there. It's right up there with that. It's like you can make it say anything you want it to say.

And when I saw the, what was the smoking gun, the Setzer, Seltzer, Polar, whatever the what was the smoking gun the sets or seltzer? Polar whatever must be the gold standard that had accounted for every Contingency that you can in polling say that well my god. Come was gonna win. I when she fucking lost by 17 points Dude, you could be wrong, but how the fuck are you? I it's There is, there is several like dynamics I feel like you can like point out with these elections and these campaigns at this point, one of which is like I was saying earlier, they're just heavily astroturfed and they make your online experience completely

tailored to make you think that like you're definitely gonna win. But another part is that like, this whole like horse race aspect where you have to poll like every week and we have to like get these numbers and we crunch the numbers and then they tell the story we want them to hear, it just creates this dizzying disjuncture from reality. You know what I mean? Where like everything kind of becomes a simulacrum

of a simulacrum, like nothing is real. It's like you're off in this abstracted land where like you can kind of convince yourself that reality doesn't matter and that what's actually at stake is these abstract things like the end of democracy itself and authoritarianism, which I take a degree of that seriously,

I think that we should, but also at the same time, we also have to be real about what's in front of us. And the way these things are done is they create, they make it hard for you to see what's actually in front of you Because they've the vacation is what it is Yes

They it raises your fight or flight response like your cortisol levels are spiked for three fucking months people are having nervous breakdowns Like I've pointed out before like we have to be able to see what's in front of us We can't get that invested in these things because they by their very nature They in that again That's why I'm saying the 15 million that said no. Thanks. That's a good sign in some ways that says that like okay I can't get invested in this anymore because it doesn't reflect the real world It doesn't reflect the world as I see it the mystification is no longer working. Yeah, I reject it. I reject the spectacle Yeah, yeah, and it's that's what it is

And that's what I was alluding to earlier with just how campaigns have changed just in my lifetime. You know what I mean? Even if a place like Kentucky was like, you know, we don't have very little chance of winning there, we still go there, right? Because there was some, you know, at least during the primaries, they don't even do that anymore, man. If you don't live in a swing state

They basically just need you to give them money. Well. Yeah, I mean as we pointed out They had their narrow path to victory. They had one they had one narrow path to victory It was like a fucking pass at Thermopylae or some shit. It's just like what are you doing? You can't like I mean all this talk about like perp purple states like they lost, North Carolina, right? They lost, Georgia. They lost or pencil. I mean like all of these states were like it was up in the air And this is what I was even talking about with the Sherrod Brown thing and that I thought that would be a close election They got blown out in a bunch of different aspect and a bunch of different metrics and what you know ways to look at it they got fucking dumped. I mean again once again man it seems that when you run as a Republican you know what

I mean not only do you like sully and taint yourself but down ballot even and people will actually either stay home or their vote for actual Republicans look if elections are about depressing the turnout of that other side and galvanizing your side, like actually creating enemies and pointing out enemies, like we are going to beat these people, these are our opponents, but you don't even have that, you don't even have a theory of conflict to stake out an actual concrete position

that people can follow and actually, you know what I mean? Like it just doesn't make any, you don't wanna fucking win, you don't wanna win. You're 100% correct, but the thing is, is that us sitting here and talking about it, I think they're too big to even, I don't wanna say they're too big to fail,

give it 100 or 200 years and yeah, it'll probably be gone, but at this point, they're too large and clunky and dug in on this fatalistic surrender to the circumstances that they can't nimbly maneuver out of it and that's why I don't hold any hope for them to learn any lessons. Even if they wanted to, I'm not sure that they could, like logistically.

They can't win unless the Republicans, again, set for them a world historic set of circumstances that are so noxious that we can't help but go vote for whoever they're putting on offer. You know what I mean? They're never gonna win another election unless Trump basically nukes Hungary and like, you know, which he wouldn't do that because of Orban,

but you know what I mean? I'm just saying, he would have to start some sort of crazy, crazy cataclysmic world war. And then they would probably win by a half a point Right But speaking of that do you think Zelensky is shitting bricks right now? I bet that guy's like oh god damn it the money spigots get cut off Does that the money pipe is shut off now?

I saw this tweet today from one of my favorite fucking dipshits on Twitter zap Zach Bo Camp You'll miss the liberal international order when it's gone Rather Israel bombs hospitals like like fucking like it's breakfast. You know what I'm saying? It's like they they commit more war crimes in an hour than I you know And if you like I mean and then people like you nod your head along with it Right because it's like it's it's liberal Democrats doing it. Yeah, there's no liberal international order It broke down it the things done broke. It's already gone This is what I'm talking is what I'm talking about like they can't really see things for what they are

They get these they get this totally like hysterical Abstracted idea of what it is and it's like dude You can't see the liberal international order is already gone the minute they were bombing hospitals and everyone was alright with it Then that's that's already broken down like just be honest with yourself stop with the fucking self-delusion now of course everybody the This is hack but Everybody, this is hack, but genuinely, everyone needs to go watch Tarkovsky's stalker,

because that exactly explains what's going on here. All of these people, they cannot understand what's going on, because for them to understand it would be for them to relinquish their own social role and power in the world. So like, you can walk them right up to understanding it And they still won't do it like joy and read talking about Stacey Abrams They can't do it because that would that would implode their entire reason for existence

Right stalker the film adaptation roadside picnic it is yeah And the reason I said it's hack is because after the 2016 election at a party a lot of people Yeah, and this Trigatsky brothers Yeah, right right right, but it is I do think it lays out a important dynamic for people to understand Also, too I just have to bring up man that um you know I think I've been seeing people say that like these liberals right whether they're commentators anchors or, these liberal thinkers that, and I mean, I've even just seen people like just normal,

well, not normies, I should say. These people are blue-maggot insane, but it seems that these people are more gleeful of the fact that Trump won and that Latinos, for example, or Muslims and Arabs who didn't vote for him or for her are going to be deported now. They seem to be more and more gleeful about that, right? Than anyone to the left of them, right?

Yeah. I mean, it just shows you how sociopathic that these people are, you know? Where it's not even based on transactionalism. It's just like paying fealty is what it is. You're exactly right. That is 100%. I mean, it's just like what...

Like, yeah, you're exactly right. That is a hundred percent. Yeah, I mean it's just like what? Like the yeah, you like your psychopaths you are no more less psychopathic than the average MAGA voter So that's why I like when people get hysterical about like this is so troubling like 70 million people voted for Trump It's like I mean a 65 million people voted for like For a nicer deportation program. So like I don't, I don't know, like I'm not trying to get like full on like third world is like reject America. In the sense that like, I don't know how to explain it. But I'm not not.

But I'm not not. I've adopted a to come's a mindset in the sense that like, I feel like I'm outside America, I'm a sovereign citizen now bro. I'm a sovereign citizen now, bro I'm a sovereign citizen from the left bro. Do work. We're definitely gonna see that I remember after the 2016 election like I remember this guy approached me was like if the Koch brothers got their hands on this man He was like we're gonna become the Koch brothers of the left We're gonna start seeing that people are gonna be like we should be sovereign citizens, but from the left

We're gonna start seeing that and people are gonna be like we should be sovereign citizens, but from the left Gonna have my own power to live say one time they were upset with an election result and decided to not pay taxes that Year in protest they said that didn't go so well for me That said JD Vance is vice president, so we're definitely getting audited. Holy shit. That's not fucking good. God damn it, dude. Our taxes are in ship shape, so we're good, bro.

Come at me, bro. Ha ha. Ha ha. Oh my God, man. Yeah, it's not good. I, yeah, no, setting aside all of the, I mean, I'm not, setting aside all of the I mean I'm not setting aside all of the autopsy you know Monday morning quarterbacking of what we're wrong it's

very concerning it's not a good set of affairs that they have basically complete total power in a mandate in the Supreme Court and all the institutions are basically kind of captured by them and furthermore I also want to point out I feel like liberals or I'm sorry conservatives after every election like all the institutions are basically kind of captured by them. And furthermore, I also want to point out, I feel like liberals, or I'm sorry, conservatives after every election like to hold up a map of the electoral map of the country and show how many red states there are,

and try to make an argument that like, oh, we're more popular. Right. It is wrong, it is untrue in the demographic sense, but I do think it gets at something, which is that conservatives, and this is the challenge for everybody, conservatives hold more power,

just broadly speaking, than liberals. Like they hold more state houses. They obviously hold all the branches of the government and judiciary and everything. And more importantly, they have more control over raw resources like land. And in this country, land has always equaled power. And so when you see that map of the red across all the country, it does have a truth to it, which is that they hold the most power in this country, and liberals aren't even attempting to chip away at that.

They are not, they have completely surrendered to it. And I'm just, you know, maybe want to point you towards the episode we had with Tracy and Leonardo a few weeks, talk about like land as a site of struggle in a way. But like, we're going to have to do something about that. And it's, I don't know if it's things I can say on on Public program or what but I'm just and I'm not even advocating for that yet. It is way too early I don't fucking really have much of a prescription for it other than to just say that like We got to deal with this stuff. This is not something that we can just like start taking for granted as the liberals have done for 20 years they've taken that red state paradigm for granted and instead

of trying to change it, they have surrendered to it. They don't even do, they don't even run candidates in certain districts. You know what I mean? I think in Marjorie Taylor Greene's district up in North Georgia, if I'm correct, I don't think they have run a candidate, a Democrat in that district for 20 years or something like that. Yeah. It may- They just forfeit the future to these psychos, you know? Well, and it may be more,

and I do think we also need to reckon with the fact that it is more complicated than just running a candidate and hoping they win every time, because what it really requires is some different approach to like community building and coalition building at that level. And that's just not coordinated at a national level. different approach to like community building and coalition building at that level and That's just not coordinated at a national level

You have little breakaway groups or DSA chapters or whatever trying to knit together these things But there is no national coordination of how to actually build these coalitions at the local level and then scale it up into anything that could meaningly intervene in people's lives and I just that's another thing to consider, to think about. Well, I mean, like you said, you can't build solidarity and build community and coalition build, right? If you're running an astroturfed campaign.

Exactly. Or you're an astroturfed party, right? You're trying to fashion something together that does not exist. If it's all artifice, your campaign void, there's nothing, whatever. Yeah, what is the coalition gonna be there? It's not.

And I mean, it's not even like, you know, she was like an Obama kind of figure, like you had mentioned, Tom, it's a vessel, you know. Somebody who you could kind of input all of your hopes and dreams and things that you think are going to happen onto this person, you know? She didn't even have that because her messaging was so muddled that,

you know what I mean? That it wasn't even like a pure vessel that you could fill with hopes and dreams. It was just like, I have no idea what this person is about. Right. Well, yeah, you started out thinking, okay, there was a chance to chart a new course. And then it was like, she quickly cast her a lot with like you know prison industrial complex the

defense complex all these other things that we reject you know and it was just clear that there was never going to be like a new course charted on Gaza or any of those things that like would have played well early on you know would have like not cost you places like Michigan or wherever because people would It's like it people are not people tend to think like people on the left are like these like insane hardliners They can't like everybody I think wants to see things get better You know what I mean, and I don't think it's like a high-stakes thing to say like okay Well if somebody's telling me that they're going to you know in the you know the assault on Gaza

Then like I'll take a flyer on that Even if they're lying to my goddamn face, you know, they didn't even lie the chance. Yeah, they didn't even lie They didn't even try on these things. You know what I mean? Yeah, I also want to point out though. I Also just want to point out that like to actually implement, because there is this talk of like fascism and authoritarianism and brown shirts, Gestapo, all this stuff, dude, the United States government currently

is having such a hard time staffing its federal prisons, they cannot hire prison guards. They're fucking, they're having a hard time hiring border patrol agents, like ICE agents. What I'm trying to say here is that for a program of fascism to work, you actually have to have boots on the ground. You have to have people in fatigues and military uniforms. Maybe you can deploy with these like young ideological white men who are, I guess, if you're shock troopers, but I just also want to encourage people to think about like

There is an administrative What's the word I'm looking for like an actual like a solid Thing that actually has to be deployed and that contains contradictions so like can they actually staff a program that would do two million deportations or put people in camps like The United States government's already struggling to do it just as it is people don't want those jobs people don't want to do that I think for a number of different reasons One you sign up in your life expects immediately get slashed in half if you stay longer than three years

That's one demerit. Exactly. All of which is to say that there are little, like there are little chinks in the armor there where you can kind of like press on the contradictions a little bit, exert some pressure on it to exploit it for our own ends. I'm just, once again, I just don't want people to get locked into like this is inevitable, like fucking fascism is coming right now. Like it's, America's always been kind of fundamentally fascist I hate to like

sound like a lib from what it's true that in 17 but yeah it's just like we have to reckon with things as they are not as we're like scared for them to be or as we want them to be or whatever I don't you know look I'm not gonna say that you know that certain communities and people who feel that they would be incredibly unsafe under a Trump administration, but I just want people to realize that a lot of these things happen and have been happening

under democratic administrations, right? And it's just like, if you were not to say that you were fine with that and comfortable with that, but people weren't freaking out about that. They weren't. There wasn't the hysteria. There wasn't hysteria over it, you know? So, I mean, life goes on, life continues, you know?

Opportunities for organizing, mobilizing, but it goes on. Yeah, we have no other option. What are you gonna do, just bury your head in the sand or run off to fight? It's like that guy I talked to on the plane, he was like, I have another home in Canada. Like, when they start beating down my door, I'm gonna have a place to go to, and I was like, I have another home in Canada. Like when they start beating down my door,

I'm gonna have a place to go to. And I was like, well, I rent, man. Like I don't. I don't like that. Also, if America really does become like, you know, like overtly authoritarian, they're just gonna invade Canada and Mexico probably. So no, no, no, no way to say it for you.

You know what I mean? Like you can't go anywhere. It would be funny if you ran to Canada thinking, and then Trump just decides one day, yeah, I think we need it Justin we can't have Justin being they say it's for del Castro son. I don't know I can't say he's not he looks just like Remember when he was trying to get Greenland? Damn it. Oh my god, like this is gonna suck really bad though

I also just want to say that like it is also gonna suck really bad. So like it's you know We're in it together It's yeah, but that margin just yeah just to put a fine point on it that margin of 15 million or whatever That's just you can't just blame that on some podcasters or Jill Stein like that. That is a comprehensive like Don't blame me. It's not my fault. Yeah Math on it too. Like there's no amount of third party or people that set it out That's gonna like equal what like the deficit was people rejected what they had on offer and they had, they, they, and, and there's a million different sort of sub-reasons for that too, including all the sexism and racism people talk about too. But like, sure, but like basically it's a rejection of what they had on

offer, principally above all. Yeah. Listen, man, people will say that, um, again, you know, whether it's, uh, it's ghouls like Richie Torres or other democratic operatives or political commentators, liberal political commentators, but I understand that she is a black woman, right? But it's not like she ran on identity politics necessarily, right? She talked about the military, she talked about fracking, committed to giving Israel money. She didn't talk about any of these things that would seem too liberal.

She ran as a conservative. And I want people, I want the defining image, to close it out, the defining image for me, I know I said this to you last night Terrence, instead of writing a fucking article, a diatribe about blaming the left and blaming Muslims and whatever, just a picture of her hand in hand with Liz Cheney dog on a stage That is what happened. Oh just think it capsulate. Just that failure. That's what it is man What was that thing I saw today? It was from like it was from one of the campaign staffers a Democratic strategist who is a Harris ally said you spent hours with Liz Cheney and guess what we find out Liz Cheney was inconsequential

Are you fucking? That's how out of touch. I mean that's People people have wanted to put the Cheney's by the fierce Liz Cheney isn't even in the fuck isn't even Congress anymore Yeah, like like there was no upside there. That was such a weird weird That was what we in the business call an unforced error Well, it's shady I feel like I have so much more to say but like it's just I Just the most perfectly run campaign of all time in my opinion I

Don't yeah this one should be one of the history books man like this and Hillary's 2016 campaign because this is just like how You lose, you know Yeah Yeah, instead of like this is how we win that that that scene and that meme from um uncut gems you know this is how i lose jesus this is how i live fucking there we go episode title and art oh my god all right that's probably about enough for, but if you'd like to hear where we're at in a few days Please go to patreon

The link is in the show notes Who knows where we'll be at by that point, but um maybe on a bus to Guantanamo Maybe on a bus. We got like two buds. We got two buds. It's not January yet Let me be funny if that was their lame-duck strategy biting them were like actually we're just gonna start rounding up all the leftist All the you do Trump's job for it. We get to know yeah Yeah, we're gonna we're gonna do his job for him, so he has nothing to do when he gets there He has to sit at his desk and do paperwork and twiddle his thumbs

You can't do he can't be an authoritarian because we beat him to the punch we got rid of all the people he would Jesus Christ Yeah, I don't know well Any final thoughts? Not another final thought but um cuz I plugged it during the Patreon, but that was a Patreon episode for, but you should subscribe if you are not a Patreon, but I'd mentioned I had written a story, a short story that got published by an independent publisher in Amsterdam. So just for people on the main feed, they can check that out.

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