Trillbilly Worker's Party - Episode 379: Losers Victory Lap (w/ special guest Josh Olsen)

Episode Date: February 6, 2025

Screenwriter and friend of the show Josh Olsen stops by to chat about Musk's attempts to purge the government, Trump's new plans for Gaza, and the liberals' response to all that. Then we talk a little bit about Josh's new podcast, The White Canon, which can be found here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-white-canon/id1794073191 Also be sure to support our podcast on Patreon: www.patreon.com/trillbillyworkersparty

You guys ever think about getting a theme song or yeah, we need to ease our way in through a theme song Yeah, eight years in yeah, you need one. That's hummable though. You know people are I got people man I got people people are always mad. We don't ever introduce ourselves at the beginning of the show, so I'm Aaron No, you guys were my first like I'm Oscar nominated screenwriter Josh Olson. Wait, who's left? Who's left, am I Tom? You're me, unfortunately. I'm Tom Sexton, ladies and gentlemen.

I'm very, very happy to be here. I love how you do that. I love how it just feels like, cause there's that psychotic thing, right? We all have it a little bit. Like, here we are, but I realize the difference, this is a trite observation, but the medium we're in, it like imposes this kind of sense of like intimacy and personal connection with, not if you're doing like the Alec Baldwin podcast, which is like fully praised.

I heard an ad for that the other day. I can't believe it's still up there. But like you put these people in your head and they just wander into Conversations and go in and out and stuff and you're like, I know them I know them and then you don't know them at all You don't know them at all. You don't know them at all. Nobody really knows me. Everybody spent two weeks thinking I had tuberculosis It was all part of my master plan. And then got mad at you about it kind of. It was all part of my master plan. And then we're disappointed to find out you didn't actually. I know.

That's kind of true. There's a great line from a, actually I guess they finally released it, but it was a Springsteen concert back in the 90s when he was going through a lot of stuff. And in the middle of it, you hear somebody shout out, I love you. And he goes, but you don't even know me.

Yeah. but you don't even know me. Yeah. Oh, shit. Well, thanks for joining this week, Josh. Thank you for having me, guys. We have a short list of things we need to cover this week in our ongoing attempts to speak truth to power, to document the second Trump administration I

Mean I don't know about you guys, but I always feel a little more Sort of motivated and like I feel like during years when liberals are in power I'm always searching for answers when Republicans are in power, I'm searching for action. I'm like, all right, I've got my shit back again. I'm like, all right, I'm not out in the wilderness anymore. Everything starts to make sense again. I feel a little more confident and sure of myself a little bit.

I feel more galvanized, I guess, is what it is, right? Even though it's way more horrifying than I think we could have possibly really imagined. But yeah, no, we're coming in off of a crazy weekend, a crazy early week. I feel like you said that last week as well. We're just gonna continuously have just crazy weeks and weekends for those of us.

Yeah, and it may eventually kind of even out. Because I was thinking to myself, I was like, what was I doing in 2018 and 2019? Did things kind of chill out? I can't remember, because obviously. I mean, mostly the outrages were mostly insane. I mean, obviously there was a lot of terrible policy. But for the most part, once you get into things,

it was just like, did you hear what he said today? Right. Right. Right, exactly. Which, as a, you know... People are talking about Frederick Douglass. Take this out of context, I miss that Trump. I really do miss that Trump. That guy was yeah he was a lesser of two evils let's say say new guy It's always it was horrifying the first time but um It it there was like a level of like um absurd like humor to it

You know like very morbid humor, and now it's just sort of like oh wish you'd go back to well at the time People were thinking that he was just kind of an aberration right it's just like this is just a weird wacky detour in business as usual but it is it's now like abundantly clear that the four years we had of Biden was really nothing at all did you see the FCC released the like unedited like the unedited interview with Kamala on 60 minutes like there is nothing there like I mean even I Guess even watching her at the debate I was like okay well at least she's like a good sort of like retail

Politician in the sense that she can like think on her toes like clearly she can't even do that like I was really kind of Did you watch the interview? I watched I watched part We probably we probably could have seen the implications of this or the or the full reality of it because I feel like people were making fun of her before Biden had dropped out, before she became the serious nominee. People would make fun of her because of her inane comments sometimes, like the whole coconut thing, you know what I mean?

Like, so it's just surprising that, I mean, maybe, I mean, I was surprised myself at how bad of an actual like thinking on her feet she is, but I mean, maybe this was an indication that yeah, she didn't have the juice man, you know Remember the passage of time we're all living in the passage of time. It's the time that passes Endure the I'm reminded every time we log on and I see less hair up top Every time I get in the shower in the morning and fall out into my hands. I have the opposite problem, fellas, so sorry about that. This is an interesting thing because something that you keep saying, and we're going to talk a little bit more about this in a second,

especially as it relates to Israel and Gaza and everything, but when Trump had tried to freeze the federal funds, when Musk was trying to, well, and not tried, he did successfully take over the treasury payment system. When they did all this stuff, you saw a lot of people saying, Kamala would never have done this. And I mean, it's just like I kind of have to ask myself though now after watching parts of that interview and Like after we've seen everything over the last four years It's like I don't know if that's true because it kind of feels to me like Silicon Valley is like in the driver's seat

Like like what doesn't really matter who the president is whether it's like Biden or Trump Like they were kind of just like asleep at the wheel and Silicon Valley was just slowly taking over Every aspect of governance. So like would they have done it as overtly and blatantly under a democratic administration Like I don't think so, but like they still would have been doing something towards that effect I think well, it's the words they say that matter to everyone You know, it's like it's's, it's, you know, Biden goes, gosh, I'm doing the best I can to stop these people from killing everyone in Gaza.

People are like, he's such a good man. And then he's proceeding to kill everyone in Gaza. Whereas Trump is like currently doing nothing and he goes, wow, fuck him, we're going to throw him all out of there. People are like, oh my God, he's worse. And you're like, those are words. You know, I've worked construction for a long time

And one thing I know is you have to have one outfit to sort of raise the land and another outfit comes in and builds On it, so I just kind of think of them as like a Team in the same firm you know what I mean I don't know what all this fuck is pissing and moaning about like elections have consequences the other thing that that that Fucks me up about that is like, and you know, granted somebody pointed this out, it's like, well, these people could have just been saying that because they got embarrassed that they got drummed. But like if their internal polling was to be believed, Kamala was dead in the water

from day one. So we could have voted our, our ass off till we're blue in the face and it wouldn't have really mattered that much. You know what I mean? Right, right, right. And it also just feels as if that, regardless of what party it is, that there is this kind of like omnicidal devotion to empire and capital, right? Whether it's privatizing the government or whether it's like, you know, supposedly being isolationist or supposedly being diplomatic in foreign policy, right? But just continuing to invade countries, to bomb people,

to let atrocities happen with your sanction and with your support and money. So as something, this is a theme I think we've been kind of hitting on for the past couple months is that this just seems to be a general trend as material conditions worsen, as the contradictions widen, with the looming threat of the climate apocalypse, as the contradictions widen, you know, with the looming threat of the climate apocalypse,

which is like here now, you know. Josh, you've experienced this, right? Many people have. I'm experiencing it. Literally, literally. Okay, I just, let me pause for a second. We just surveyed the land here. Josh has ran from hellfire.

Me and Terrence have been covered in biblical flood, and not two months ago you were quarantined in your house due to noxious gas particles. Yes indeed I was. We were. We were at the Seema. We are well represented in Calamity. The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse.

Carry on. I'm sorry. The locusts are here. Hang on. I have to go into the door. That's true. We were long overdue a good locust plague Yeah, I mean I can see listeners potentially getting angry at me saying that like It wouldn't have been that much different under Kamala

and I'm not saying that it would have been a one-to-one like it the Liberals and I said this over and over again, when under Trump won, they were telling us that with Trump, the MO was like the cruelty is the point. I do think that they were getting at a truth, which is that the cruelty is the point with Republicans. The hiding the cruelty is the point with Democrats. And it feels like we've just kind of been on a trajectory

of like the slow dismantlement of the government and the takeover with like a sort of like technocratic, you know, neo-fascist, neo-monarchist, Silicon Valley elite. And whether that would have like, I don't know how that would have looked under Kamala, but I think that you would have seen elements of it regardless there wouldn't have been a doge office for sure But she would have been working with like Michael Hastings and shit. So well we kind of know we kind of know

We might have some insight into what how things would have been just based on the fact of the Democrats They're complete in action right now. Amy Klobuchar continuously using the word stand up like 17 times in an interview, right? As if that translates to any meaningful action. She's talking about her burgeoning career at Stanley. Yeah. That's what she's talking about. Have you seen her on the?

She can't quit cracking jokes. What was the hair joke that she kept doing and It was kind of endearing. I remember Like a very folksy kind of thing like something about like mr. Trump's your hair blown in the wind I can't even try can your share stand up to this win It was just she's like everybody she waited. Yeah, I can't even throw eggs at me if I tell a bad joke because they cost too much It's interesting that like that's the message that the Democrats have now landed on like that's Okay, so it's interesting like in the New York Times they had like a little panel with Frank Bruni

Brett Stevens and Michelle Goldberg and Which was just like teeth grinding Lee like maddening to read Right right there. Yes, and like yeah But like right when you read something and you find yourself in agreement with Michelle Goldberg on like everything She's saying as opposed, you know, I mean like Bruni and Stevens. dude this is fucking bad but like um but like generally all three of them were completely baffled as to why the Democrats this is saying something when like the three like biggest rubes at the New York Times opinion section are all themselves kind of like baffled as to how the Democrats didn't a didn't see

this coming B had no contingency plan C haven't done shit in the past two to three weeks like they were stunned about that and and like Michelle Goldberg had made a point that's I thought was kind of interesting which was that like they are stuck on the cost of eggs thing which is fine like it's fine like I guess you should be talking about that, but for a year they basically were shouting down anyone who said anything about the cost of living. Now they've determined that the cost of living is a big deal, but they're not doing anything about the dismantling of the welfare, the social safety net, the attacks on Medicaid

and social public housing, the fucking Do you know, the Doge stuff. Like they've done nothing on any of this. They're a broken record about eggs. Right. Aviation safety. When's the last time y'all were afraid to fly? Yeah. Yeah.

Or drive on a bridge or something like that, you know? I mean, also too, it just seems like the, I forgot who said this quote, man. I wish I could remember who said it, but I've seen people post it before and it's that the Democrats are just kind of witness to suffering, you know? So like- Oh, that's Adolf Reed. Yes, Adolf Reed, right, right.

So like any of these issues that they could actually, and I know I keep saying this, but because like what actually happens in the economy and then kind of reverberates out to people's social lives, like these things are intertwined. For them, they don't see it that way, right? You know? So like what actually exists for them is like not something that gets almost removed from the theater of politics, you know? So there's nothing that, it's almost like, whether it's like this admission of just acquiescence and surrendering, right? Or whether it's just the fact that like they don't have any interest in doing anything, right? All they can do is continue to

Reflect and observe things, you know and wave their cane really They spent so much time making sure there's no backbench for anyone who's not people judge you know or his type that there's nobody in the party in any kind of meaningful number who's Actually got a position actually got a set of beliefs, who's actually a fighter with a capital F. I keep thinking about like, we're never going to see these videos, but how many countries, you see them in Italy, you see them in England, you see them in Japan, where like, it's parliament or whatever, and somebody just swings on somebody else and they all start fighting.

And you're like, oh my God, first Democrat who does that in Congress is going to be a fucking shoo-in to be president if we ever have another election. Just haul off and punch one of these guys. It should be like in hockey, like in the NFL, which I don't know much about hockey, I don't watch hockey, I know nothing about hockey. But apparently fighting is such a tradition that it's not something that's actually ruled out, you know? So I think that's actually ruled out, you know? So I think Congress should be like that, you know?

I think that you shouldn't have to fight, but somebody probably should throw hands and get it started, you know? But you would think if there was like a couple of people in there who actually believed in anything, you know, to find yourself in a room with these people, you would almost feel compelled to do something like that. And there's nobody because they've done such a good job of like primaring anybody who has any set of decent human beliefs or value systems. By the way, Aaron, all you got, Slapshot,

greatest sports movie ever made, it's about hockey, you'll want it. Slapshot, okay, okay. I did like Merriman. I did like. Oh, of the Americas, Slapshot's amazing. Slapshot is fucking amazing. Polderman, greatest role. It's interesting like reading those three kind of

be Themselves a little stunned that there is no one in the bench like there's no one in the wings That could conceivably step up and well well buddy listen you selling the junior senator from Pennsylvania a little short there All right, that's true. I forgot we forgot like the coming Messianic figure of John Federman Here are rumbling in the distance and on the horizon you see his head appear over there like attack on dark looming figure. Yeah Shambling towards you like an ogre closer it gets it's like yeah like storms come you know the trains rolling in I have I wanted to talk a

little bit about again I want to talk about the Gaza thing in like the the liberal reactions to it but first I kind of, wanna talk a little bit more about the Musk attempts to, so they have essentially offered buyouts to federal employees. 40,000 federal employees have taken it so far. That's so many. That's so weird. 40,000.

My sister got a letter like that, actually. And her, and my brother-in-law just lost his job at USAID So things are it's not even just like a kind of theoretical news thing This is like as I said before this is like actually happening to people. You know in the families. That's interesting I had posted something about this yesterday because I saw like the the Bronze Age pervert had had a Tweet about this but like and then you know know I started getting right wingers in my comments um Sort of like Fleshing out the theory here, which I found very fascinating

But Bronze Age pervert had Tweeted one of the myths the left dearly holds on to is that USA and CIA? Knocked off third world communist regimes during Cold War instead of what it actually did which is to set them up and prop them up so like we fell is we are nearing the moment where Senator McCarthy was a communist right Like that like they they have swallowed the anti-communist pill so badly that like everything is now Communism you know what I'm saying like communist pill so badly that like everything is now communism.

You know what I'm saying? Like even the CIA. You can't be too careful, Asa. Well, I mean, I've always said this, man. There are two intrinsic fears that Americans have. I mean, one of them could be subsumed in just race in general, but it's black people and communism, right?

Yeah. So it's like, there's just like a concurrent theme, a concurrent theme themes throughout American history, right? Yeah. So it's like, there's just like a concurrent theme, a concurrent theme, themes throughout American history, it feels like. 100%. Yeah. It's funny, you guys, we're actually, we're doing it in a couple of hours,

we're doing episode of the White Cannon on Good Night and Good Luck. Oh. Could be, could be talking about all this. Is it the George Clooney movie about the, I never actually. Yeah, which he's now doing on Broadway. Interesting, I never actually saw it.

Not to get off track, but it's just like, we're kind of doing it because it's sort of this quintessential thing about movies like The Post too, this Hollywood response to current crazies. Right. Because The Post was made in kind of response to Trump and Good Night Good Luck was in response to Bush, and you're kind of like, and they sort of go back

to a time when somebody on the center left actually did a thing that was actually kind of good 50 years ago. What am I supposed to take away from this? The house scene guys. Yeah, my house is on fire and you're telling me about Edward Armorrow. But yeah, he's doing it on Broadway now because of course now more than ever we need that.

It's interesting though, like the way that Americans receive media Yeah, he's doing it on Broadway now, because of course, now more than ever, we need that. It's interesting though, like the way that Americans receive media, because we can fictionalize things like this, right, that should inspire people or give rise to, if not just a color, a kind of mood, right, like what's happening now, but also like inspires people. But I think the act of fictionalizing it is sort of like, oh, this can never happen, you know?

This is not possible anymore. We've been able to take this story and turn it into like of like, oh, this can never happen. You know, this is not possible anymore. We've been able to take this story and turn it into like a movie with characters and add possible fictional elements. But this is not something that's actually is based in current reality that's possible, which is why we can fictionalize it in the first place. It's like this really weird paradox, you know? Well, can I start to continue to keep it on that? I apologize. I just I'm what do you guys think?

Because this is where I live, man. It's like you write and on the one hand, you sort of hold the hope that you can write something that can inspire some sort of change in people. And on the other hand, you're sort of like, well, that's stupid. And I'm looking at, and I'm kind of, I don't want to let myself feel excited about this,

because obviously it's not going to lead to anything meaningful, but it's been really interesting watching the journey of the guys who made the apprentice cause which is actually a really good film. I don't know if you guys have seen it, but the one about Trump and Roy Cohn and it's really good. And they went through a ton of shit where it was impossible to get distribution and then where, um, you know, people were getting like agents, you know,

when they start coming around like Oscar season, where you sort of go out and do all this stuff, they couldn't get other actors to come do actors' round tables with the two leads, because the theory is it's probably true that agents were like, stay away from that movie. So there was definitely a kind of, and they got a cease and desist from Trump and so forth.

And then they both get nominated for Oscars, which is clearly, you know, people, and I don't get to vote for actors, I just get to vote for scripts and best picture, but it was clearly like people trying to say something to try to kind of break through that. And they're both worthy of those nominations. But I'm like, ultimately it just sort of feels like,

well, yeah, you kind of won a little bit but the end of the day who gives a shit right he's gonna piss off Trump especially if one of them wins my god Sebastian Stan wins for playing Donald Trump that will that will piss him off and now I sound like Rachel Maddow like I hope he does that'll really get him that'll show him keep calling him the Orange Cheeto and call Musk President Musk. That would be a really weird dynamic though. In the year that Trump wins the presidency, an actor wins a prestigious award for playing a fictional version of him. Like there's something really weird about that and ironic. I mean, I don't know if ironic is

the word, but it seems like the seams of reality are breaking apart at that point, you know? Yeah, I don't think it's going to gonna happen but it would be kind of nice and yet ultimately yeah I don't know I mean I mean at this point I guess you take your dubs wherever you can get them even if they're even if it lands you in prison or you know a labor camp yeah they go to send them to Guantanamo because they're sending everybody to Guantanamo now so yeah it ends with him in like a cell by himself Sebastian Stan and then like and then it was like oh we forgot to the door opens they throw his Oscar in with them and then close the door. Take your street walkers gold.

They can perform like plays, you know, for the guards and shit like that. But what, what is, what are like, what could be, I keep it again, as futile as that feels like, it feels like something, right? Is it point? Like I keep wanting to get, I have no no idea you get this idea out there, but I Keep I want there to be like maybe Valentine's Day. It becomes You know egg Tesla day Okay to what end ultimately It might drive the price. Well, I guess not a part of my play down eggs are too expensive

Exactly, it might drive the price. Well, I guess not a part of my point out eggs are too expensive, right? It might be a little too expensive, but I'm good. There's like plastic Easter eggs. It's true Key we just kill you Kim classic revenge. You could get the plastic Easter eggs put like cement in them Yeah, you know what I mean turn them shits into like a projectile. Into like rocks? Yeah. You just throw rocks at Teslas? Yeah. But they're egg-shaped. You're lucky I can't afford the real thing. Speaking of Tesla, did you guys see that this like,

I was reading this article about like how Musk operates at Doge. He has moved beds into the headquarters of the federal personnel office a few blocks from the White House so that he and his staff working late into the night could sleep there reprising a tactic he has deployed at Twitter. I was saying that was the same. Yeah, that was the Twitter thing. at Twitter and Facebook. I was gonna say that was the same, yeah. That was the Twitter thing, yeah. Didn't I say this last week that the federal government is just becoming like a tech startup or a tech company?

You know what it is, what it's rooted in. Elon Musk didn't have friends as a child, so he's trying to have these sleepovers. These sleepovers, yeah, exactly. You know, that's why he's working these people 128 hours a week and all this shit. It's like that episode of King of the Hill where Buck Strickland is you know quits drinking and he has all the people that you know Strickland propane come over around the

clock and eat ice cream and play games you know that's what it is yeah couldn't he get like nice bedrooms for them they could all get these giant beds and eat ice cream and watch movies together I I know why is it all gonna be so hot areas That's what I'm saying though like there has been a long-standing like civic problem of like what to do with the federal government and Jim and like of all the options on the table like turn it into a tech startup seems kind of like the most Obvious now in hindsight, So that's what I'm saying like I don't know if Kamala would have been that different or maybe they wouldn't have done it explicitly But they definitely probably would have like put things in place for like the next Republican to actually turn the government to attack texturna Yeah, it's now a crazy theory because I think what I keep hearing stuff like the thing the thing

One of the few rays of hope, Elon's on his own with this. Like the other Silicon Valley dudes are all, they're not as insane as him. They're not as driven by a desperate need to cover up all of his fucking crimes. And he's escalating, they all believe that same crazy shit about like tech fiefdoms and, what's that?

I heard the phrase tech Zionism the other day And they're all on board with that and I can't remember who's the writer that they all love there's some shitty writer who sort of Laid this out, but Elon's like escalated it massively and and there's some thinking that the rest of them are like Hey, slow down there bubba and you know some thinking that the rest of them are like, Hey, slow down there, bubba. And you know, maybe that's ultimately to our benefit that, that he goes so far up where the buses run that they rain them in and take them down. But I, you know, whereas, whereas as you said, Kamala had gotten, Kamala, I always do that. I'm so sorry.

Oh, she lost it. Doesn't matter. had gotten in Kamala I will do that I'm so sorry. Oh she lost it doesn't matter man. But but yeah with her it would have been slower and more efficient right? Right right right exactly exactly. Well probably not a good development that he's volunteered for Doge to intervene in our aviation woes you know. Oh right what was that Sean Duffy tweet he He was like big news. We're turning over aviation to doge My god, I will not be flying for the next How many videos of like exploding SpaceX rockets have you seen it's like they're obviously great at flying Right and the parts falling down and like fucking poor communities and all over the world and shit like that. No, man

Yeah, and and them Tesla's man, I mean those things are just like yeah Cars routinely blow they're gonna make they're gonna start, you know how like planes have to be aerodynamic Like they're gonna start making planes like test is like blocky Dynamic like they're gonna start making planes like test is like blocking They have so much like a cyber plane But it has so much drag that it can't really ever get off the runway and like nine out of ten flights like crash immediately Take off they take off before the pilots get What they're gonna do is like just like how he reinvented trains with the hyperloop, you know

He's gonna they're gonna trebuchet like the cyber plane You know, they're gonna shoot about him like a can in a search it like that, you know So they get enough escape velocity to get off the ground the same man that said COVID will be contained by April. We'll have zero COVID by April The Thai cave divers remember when he had the grand plan to save the Thai cave and everybody that knew what was up was like, that's never going to happen. Like you're going to create a worst

problem. Like you're going to get somebody killed trying to rescue them. And then called Pidos. Yeah, I just found out just the other day. This makes the thing about for so long now every time I put my kid in the car and then go around to get the driver's seat I'm like imagine a world where and it turns out this happens with Tesla Sometimes these people put their kids in the car and the cars take off. Oh my god Jesus dude Yeah, that's definitely

We're all dying in a plane crash in a fucking square plane that has zero aerodynamicism He's like going out like a buddy Holly because the fucking musk is you musk's hubris Like a game that looks like it should be like in a ps2 game or something like that all hollygon oh and shit Yeah, I mean, it's like he's a genuinely anti-social guy who hates everybody like he his We spent the weekend feeding USAID into the woodshipper. He gloated on X Could have gone to some great parties did that instead. It's just like God man Jesus like look man look You know I want to be careful with my words here, but um if you are if you are extremely Just distressed at losing your

job, some intrepid individual out there, there are avenues that you can take. You might not get your job back, but you might feel a little bit better about it. I mean, statistically speaking- She was in Mario Brothers, thinking. Yeah, statistically speaking, Aaron, someone will. I mean, my mom asked me, I was talking to my mom because I mentioned to you guys, I feel bad actually, because I joked about it on the Patreon and then my brother-in-law

ended up losing his job at USAID. My sister ended up getting a letter, one of those resignation letters that 40,000 federal workers got, and or have taken already, I should say. And I was talking to my mom and she was like, well, like, what does he expect these people to do? What is the contingency plan for them and their families? And I was like,

there is none. But what I thought of is like, what are these people going to do? Not I'm saying any of these people have the balls to do anything, or that's something that I'm not promoting anything. But when you push people, we saw a couple months ago when you push people to a certain brink, you know, they tend to take radical action, you know. Well, we're reshoring mining now so they can get jobs in the mines that have been relocated to America. Coal's bad. Through the tariffs.

I should tell my sister that she shouldn't have any worries. She can be a coal miner soon. What we're going to do is we're going to start doing coal mining by digging into the ground and then if you dig far enough, you reach China and then we'll just We'll just mine the coal we find in China Which will start which will start the the Sino-American War Just the prophecy that Bugs Bunny laid out, you know Oh man dude. Um, alright, I wanted to get to the actual substance of this week's program.

It seems like the, um, alright, so what started everything off that we're going to talk about here was Trump saying that he has a plan for the Gaza Strip what he said specifically right as he like tucked Benjamin Netanyahu in you know gave him a little kiss on the floor put on the nighttime cappy yeah yeah it's hunk shrew h me, me, me, me cap. He said that the US will take over the Gaza Strip. I guess that this caused a huge panic. A lot of people weren't expecting him to say this. But it apparently-

Including Bibi. What's that, Josh? Including Bibi. Including Bibi. He's gonna sit there going, what? No, no, that's for us. Including BB including BB No, no, that's for us that's why we've been doing this whole thing the entire time I think that um So I have a few thoughts about this The I think that like I genuinely don't think that he's trying to actually

Cuz like what he said about it was I think like he was like waxing poetic about like the seaside location and how beautiful it is and blah blah blah laugh but that is so fucking morbid of it oh I mean it's this it's absolutely disgusting but like truly like there that's got to be like one of the craziest like famous last words of declining Empire like talking about like a seaside or It's like well good luck I mean, I don't think cuz like look dude, okay, um Israel is a Nazi society those fucking IDF people like they they have an existential Barbarity where they're gonna like they're like a Spartan warrior society

That's like why they like probably all need to be like wiped off the face of the earth so That it's not endorsed by this is not a statement endorsed by Josh Olson on this podcast I Personally, I think that that's true the United States. I'm over here with Jamal boy. I'm still collating information I United States soldiers don't have that dog in them IDF soldiers are psychopaths United States soldiers are guys that just got out of like community college And they don't know what they're doing with their life. They're not gonna fucking go up They're gonna take like one red triangle to like their buddy, and they're gonna be like I'm fucking fragging my officer now

I'm going to throw a grenade at my buddy That is not happening. I'm sorry for anybody who thinks that's happening that is not happening No But yeah, I think that like I genuinely think that what is actually happening here is like Trump is trying to like by throwing cuz here's that here's a Here's a statement from one of Trump's aides He said he's not seeing any realistic solutions on how those miles and miles and miles of debris are going to be cleared The fact that nobody has a realistic solution and he puts some bold fresh new ideas on the table

I don't think should be criticized in any way I think it's going to bring the entire region to come with their own solutions if they don't like mr. Trump solutions I genuinely think that's what he's trying to do by like making a statement that is so absolutely off the wall because this is Already like destabilizing relations with Egypt and Jordan Jordan doesn't Jordan has a sizable like ethnic Palestinian population and they don't want more Palestinians and Egypt is just like a you know run by a strong man No, but seriously like they um, I just like I

genuinely think what he's actually trying to do is like basically call everyone's bluff and like Get someone to actually come up with a genocidal solution that he doesn't actually have to put forward. Does that make sense? Right. No, no, no, that does make sense. It does make sense because it seems it seems par the course for The administration so far by just throwing the most insane shit out there and seeing what sticks to the wall. Like, maybe because they want to see how much they can get away with after there's the initial backlash and people, it suddenly becomes normalized and people forget, you know, or if something else happens. Or, like you said, to kind of like bluff and, you know, force everyone to come out and say what they think should actually happen

without his name directly being attached to it. You know, not that I think he maybe even gives a shit about, I don't even think Biden, Biden doesn't give a shit about his legacy as a genocider. Trump definitely doesn't. But I think more in terms of being liked, being perceived as like a good president, right? Being perceived as someone who most importantly

put a stop to things that some people didn't like, right? Or resolved things, you know? I got a different theory about it if you'd like to hear. Please. I think that, you know how Trump likes Jewish people but he can only relate to them through the lens of anti-Semitic tropes, you know what I mean? What he was trying to do is establish the Scottish

as like having a you know a Business acumen on par with you know tropes of so what he was doing to BB was like he was just like kind of you know Sticking him in the back in real time. Actually, we're gonna take it over It's actually ours. Thanks for doing the Trump Trump being woken his own way, you know? Yeah. That is kind of one of the problems with him is that you get into situations like that

where if you remove all consequence from what he's done and don't even think about the people who are being hurt, you know, there's a certain satisfaction in watching him do something like that to Bibi Netanyahu, you know? There's a whole like, I won't lie, it's like deeply, I can't think of another candidate who deserved to lose more than Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, except for the part where now we all gotta pay the price. It's so frustrating, because he keeps taking out assholes.

But he's still there. But at what cost John Bolton is like you know now Well, I think that like the To me like I think the most revealing thing about this whole situation is the response from liberals, like the tweets that are like, I think now it's appropriate to reiterate that consequences have actions. Or like, the people who supported the ominous slaughter of men, women, and children for the past. Dog, I fucking hate these people I hate

these people so fucking much I hate that they can't do anything that they refuse to anything until the other side does it and then they can point fingers right it's like also losers don't get to take a victory lap yeah what was the Julia I off I don't even know how to say her last name I off II all the Nazi lady the lady who took a picture with Richard Spencer was her yeah she said I hope everyone's happy now that the genocide joke they got genocide Joe out of office dude I swear to go bro yo you know what it is is that these people want these things to happen anyway right right right they've always wanted this shit

right that's the only reason why you would go about something like this instead of like taking action instead of doing anything about it you were gonna be the ones to do it and they stole that away from you you know well it's combination that there's also a whole lot of it where it's just completely academic to people yeah it might as well be you know the Bjorrensberg versus Kardashians Kardashians Kardashians Kardashians either way that'd be fun. Got an airlock you fell with though. But you know what he sounds like, I don't want to, like I'm always hesitant to go like yeah because they all like, because no I just think they just don't, which is its own kind

of horrifying racism where it's like it just doesn't matter to them at all. No. It's just, it's like oh your team, yeah our team got fucked by you guys and now your team, fuck you. And it's just, I think there's also like some of the vigor comes from people feeling, I think they're legitimately people who have subsumed their moral horror for the last 15 months and it's been eating them away,

you know, at their innards and now it's like, you know, it's all coming in this kind of almost incoherent rage and it's just like, you know, where was this 15 months ago? I think you're right. It's also Biden's parting gesture from office, the very last thing he did was send eight billion to Israel. So it's like, you know, you can't like cheer to lead

or lament that that administration essentially lost and then be like, well, we would have had a different outcome. Like, where's the evidence? Yeah. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. Josh, what you said too is so salient because sometimes, like, I know that there are people in the Biden administration who were complete sociopaths, right? Jake Sullivan is one of the people I'm thinking about, like complete sociopaths who, I would ask, we think we've talked about on the show, we've thought about it, like, how do these people sleep at night? But obviously they don't have any souls, right? we've talked about on the show, we've thought about it, like, how do these people sleep at night?

But obviously they don't have any souls, right? So they don't need to sleep, right? They're like, they live in a, they go to sleep in a sarcophagus, you know? They lie down in sarcophagus, like they go dormant maybe, but they don't really reflect upon these things. But maybe for some of the cheerleaders of the Biden administration, some of the commenters,

and the people that knew deep down better, that this suppression of these moral horrors, that they've peddled, laundered, that they've agreed with, that it's sublimated, now it's sublimated into apathy for Trump and blaming other people. You know what I mean? Because that's the only way that they can, that's the only way to them, I guess, that they can express this, I don't even want to call it moral regret,

because I don't know how deeply these people really truly regret these things, but that icky kind of slimy feeling that you have, you know? Yeah, there was like a headline in the Atlantic where I think like kind of is a perfect example of what you're talking about, Josh. Like there was a headline in the Atlantic, I think from like

Right. Yeah, you're Rosenberg I think that's his name the headline and I know the writers don't always pick the headline but like it kind of Summed up how glib they are about it, but it was just like You know Trump's plan for Gaza Lago. It's like that you guys don't even see this seriously Like this is just like a kind of like funny Don't even see this seriously like it's just like a kind of like funny Thing neemable thing right like it's like a hundred thousand people are dead at that the very least you know what I mean like If not way more, I don't know it's just

That's the shit that drives me and say I mean it's I mean it's like Michael Rappaport and all these fucking idiots It's like like even if you are of that pit like you still like there's no humanity in you You know what I mean? Yeah very Very revealing very interesting. I think that it's just a not entirely sure What you do with that? It's just like everybody's kind of like rudderless though everybody's kind of like unclear as to like how to pick up the pieces and like chart a path

forward but like I genuinely think that the Democratic Party they're gonna be stuck in this like cycle and so they can actually like it feels like this is just kind of like demon haunting everybody because the thing that kind of drives me crazy is that it seems like they want to have it both ways. They want to say that the left is responsible for causing the Dems to lose the election, but then they spent like four or five months saying that nobody cares about Gaza. So it's like, well, what is it? Is it because of Gaza or is it in the left accordingly? Or is it, if it's not, then it's like some other problem intrinsic to the Democratic party that you're gonna have to deal with so like

At what point does it occur to you? You know what I'm saying that like something well And also they do and we all fall into it. It's like it's not the left I mean obviously the left had there was a lot of opposition to that But it's you know a lot of the people who stayed home were not You know by any definition leftist even even if you take out all the kind of Muslims and Palestinian Americans who had to get up We're more pretty there are a lot of people who just stayed home because of you know and that's the thing I don't I truly don't understand this it's like you know my my position on this which I'm still working on would

not be altered by this fact but you know I've you know I've got I've got friends in that community through work I've done and so forth, where I have been in rooms with people who have lost families over there. But even had I not, it's like, imagine, just the first thing I thought of when I started hearing these people going, yeah, they just gotta do right strategically.

You're like, imagine yourself, can't you just imagine yourself sitting in a room with somebody who, even if you don't agree with this, who believes that the Biden-Harris administration is responsible for the slaughter of their entire family, how would you sit across a table from them and go, yeah, it's in the best interest of America that you vote for the people who killed your family. Right. Right. Well, as far as they should do it, because it's, don't they know America that you vote for the people who killed your family. And they're like, well, those fire, they should do it because it's, don't they know,

those idiots don't know that Trump will be working. You're like, where's your fucking humanity? Where is your humanity? How do you, you know? And I do know people, I've got family members and I love them who are in, you know, I said during the election, you know, as strong as my position on everything is,

it's like, part of me was kind of relieved to live in California where my vote doesn't fucking matter at all. But I've got family in Philadelphia and really good committed leftists who were going to work for the Harris campaign because they genuinely, they understood all that. They're extremely opposed to the extent

of putting their lives on the line to what's happening in Gaza. And they just felt that, you know, and I, for me it was like, if you're at least, you have to at least acknowledge that. You can't go out and go, oh, they're good and he's bad. If you're gonna acknowledge that what Biden is doing is monstrous and go, but there are real threats to everyone that are even larger and we have to do this.

I'm like, okay, I can deal with that. It's the people who are just like completely rejecting any notion that our side is responsible for anything bad. And it just, ugh. I mean, it's a tack on to your point, Josh. It's also too, it's like, yeah, like you talk about sitting across from a room and telling somebody like, oh yeah, these people like, you know,

we're basically responsible for killing your family and all this. But it's, it's, it's like almost worse than that because it's not even a less rivalism thing. It is actively dabbing in people in Dearborn, Michigan's face, taking Liz Cheney to campaign there. You know what I mean? It's like, it's like a humiliation. Tell them that Israel has the right to kill their families. It's like, what the fuck were you thinking?

I think one of the oddest, Liz Cheney is just grotesque. Bill Clinton, this cadaver, same thing. But Richie Torres, you know what I mean? He sent a Zionist congressman to go talk to, well I think he was specifically talking to Jewish groups and community members, but it's just like, yeah, like you said, Tom, are you, are you, is it really that these communities are just an instrument for you to get power, right?

Or to dissuade them from voting for Trump, right? And that no matter what happens, you don't actually give a shit about their lives, you know? And the lives of their family members. That's what it seems like, you know, they don't give a shit about, I mean, I know this is a cliche about their lives, you know, and the lives of their family members. That's what it seems like, you know, they don't give a shit about, I mean, I know this is a cliche thing to say, but we see it in the black community all the time too,

is that the Democrats literally do not give a shit about you until it's election time, you know? And sometimes it's not even every two years, you know, if you live in a certain district, sometimes it really is every four years, sometimes not at all, perhaps, you know, I had no one knocking on my door. I at least had one person knocking on my door for the Biden campaign in 2020.

The Harris campaign, nobody came and knocked on my door. And maybe at first I was thinking, well, maybe they think this is, I live in DeKalb County, so a democratic stronghold. But apparently maybe that's what you should have. But even if you did that, I don't think it would have made a difference. Even if my neighbors had their doors knocked on, I don't think it would have made a difference. I just cannot imagine a universe in which she would have won at this point. All right. Yeah. Yeah well, I think that like

You know, we're kind of just as sort of baffled as anybody that you know that they seem to be kind of committed to losing and I think that like their behavior post Inauguration has kind of committed to losing and I think that like their behavior post inauguration has kind of proven that but I guess we'll see how this all shakes out in the coming weeks Josh I know you got to get out of here soon but um no I'm fine oh you're good okay Aaron said you I'm good I'm good, all right another three hours Sorry, oh you meant noon California knew my time. Yeah Yeah, I thought you meant noon our time I was like trying to but I was I was hurrying I'm trying to put a bow. Oh no. Let's go man, I'm all juiced up.

Hell yeah. Still got to plug my show? Well that's what I was going to ask. So you got a show now. You finally got a show. They finally gave you one. They finally gave you one. Yeah, no, it's just a podcast.

Is there anything more pathetic, in front of my point of view, is there anything more pathetic than just going out in the world and going, please listen to my new podcast? Nope, I do it every day. Every day, buddy. I knew my new one though. Yeah, no, I'm doing a show with Trevor from Champagne Sharks that started as a thing he did on his show, a segment called The White Cannon, C-A-N-O-N, where he would take movies

that are like widely beloved by kind of mainstream white audiences and perhaps not so well known by other folks, especially black ones, and bring on a white guest or two and a black guest or two and kind of just talk about them. And I went on with Matt Christman a couple years ago and we did network. It was just one of the greatest times I ever had. And like you guys, you start to develop these relationships with other podcasters, especially during COVID. You know, I think we all became kind of more of like, it was like, my wife said the other day, I think it was like, she was like, going on people's shows and having

it on yours probably saved us during COVID. It was like, you get to go hang out with your little friends. And anyway, I had the best time. And Trevor was actually out here a while ago last year. And we were talking and I asked him why he didn't, because I was getting up to being like, hey dude, have me back on, that was fun. And I was like, how come you haven't done any more of those white cannons?

And he said, first of all, there are a lot of work getting all the guests and all this stuff. But he goes, I don't know that many white people. And I said, well, my friend, you're in luck. I think I know I can accommodate. I know all the white, most of the last. I wish I had that problem, Trevor. Trust me. Aaron knows too many.

I do, man. You need to cut some. Now, y'all. And it kind of came out of that. So we'all can go. Y'all can go. And it kinda came out of that. So we started doing it and it's called The White Cannon and we just dropped our first episode and you can find it anywhere a podcast or dropped. We did, actually did a John Hughes double feature

of 16 Candles in the Breakfast Club and we brought in Wyatt Snack. Oh, hell yeah. Who had only seen Breakfast Club, and then my dear friend Dan Waters, who's been on my movie show a bunch of times, people know who's the writer of Heathers, representing the white folks,

but not, he has an interesting relationship, because Heathers is this kind of very angry response to those movies, but Dan also loves those movies. I love Heathers. It's an amazing conversation, and we had such a good time doing it. And so we've been kind of stockpiling them. They're going to come out once a month and they're really fun, man.

They're really like, we branch out into a lot of stuff. And it's not, some of the time when I'm trying to get guests on, especially white guests, there's this kind of concern that like, so like what am I going to go on and just get yelled at because I have like racist movie taste? It's like, no, not even slightly. In fact, some of the, I don't want to tell, but there was one we brought on where it's an old classic and folks who hadn't seen it were just like,

holy shit, it's one of the greatest movies ever made. And you can then talk about kind of some of the attitudes in it, but you know, nonetheless, it's a masterpiece. And it's also not one of those things where, you know, some rappers get into here, in here, stairway to heaven for the first time. And they're really, really in-depth, really entertaining. And it goes to a lot of stuff I've just been interested in my entire life.

I grew up in an unusual and historically integrated neighborhood in West Philadelphia and kind of looking at kind of racial relations and living in the middle of them and all kind of has always been interesting to me And it's a really interesting way into that stuff, and it's just you know and we're all kind of It feels weird to be doing a show that somebody is certainly going to start calling us woke any minute now But you know at a time when that's all been just now. Woke is good We're leading a woke insurgency. That's right. We're not dead.

But it's like- Unacceptable about Wokey. But they're real conversations where people are like, nobody's worried about stepping on somebody's toes or using, you know, let's get past it. Use it slurs. Use it slurs. I was just about to say, use it slurs. I'm gonna say, yeah, it's not like we're sitting there

doing that either. But it's hilarious, right? Because yeah, there's all kinds of like, you know, minefields you can step into even talking about the show. But it's fun, it's fun. And, you know, we are just like, in the months ahead, certain characters who you're listening to right now are going to be appearing on the show, as I'll say But yeah, it's just it's been really fun and so far the response even though we've barely even leaked it out

Has been really positive. So I gotta say I gotta say Josh too. I think it's an amazing idea because I'm gonna put this like I mean, of course of course no community I guess I should say no community is a monolith because although there is like black culture, right, or African American culture, my parents are from Jamaica. So I wasn't watching or especially listening, my dad being an audiophile who owned his own record store in Kingston, I just wasn't, I wasn't consuming. Wait a second, your dad on the record store at Kingston?

He did and Bob Marley, he knew Bob Marley personally before, like he was Bob Marley because he was coming to LA. How long have you guys known each other? How do you not tell me? You know I'm the world's biggest white dance hall enthusiast. You're just not going to tell me something about it. Brother, brother, I gotta show you his vinyl collection. Like if I really wanted to, I could take a picture and post it on Twitter and be like,

hey, this is my dad's vinyl collection but it's kind of insane though I don't know how to use its vinyl player either I probably should get on that it's really bad um record record whatever man uses vital player like like the thing is though it's like I I I like the idea of your show because, um, like, I feel like there are monocultural shows, right? I mean, like, Cheers is one I'm thinking of off the top of my head or something like Friends, although that is, that is very, very, that is a very Yakuubian show. I don't know any black people who like Friends.

Seinfeld, though, sure. But I just had never seen, like, there are a lot of movies that I've never seen that are some of the most popular beloved movies ever, but I just didn't have access to them. That just wasn't a part of the social life that I grew up in. So it's just amazing to have someone who's black and someone who's white talk about a film

and sort of go through the nuances of racial relations, I guess, I hate to use that term, but truly in America by just commenting on like, well, as a black person, what did you think about this film? And maybe develop either newfound criticisms or appreciation for the way that media, the best media is universal, right?

Can speak to anyone. Oh, let's play a new newfound criticisms to some of us. Cause like that's, it's like some of the guests we've had on have like very long-term critiques of some of the stuff that are new to me. Cause like, I'm not part of us, because that's, you know, it's like some of the guests we've had on have very long-term critiques of some of the stuff that are new to me, because I'm not part of the, you know, and it's been really interesting doing that. And I knew that I was gonna learn stuff. You know, and I think for me,

the thing I've learned the most doing it that's really interesting to me is that to be, you know, I've always been cognizant of the fact that I'm part of a dominant culture, then obviously like, you know, everybody who lives in this country is more familiar with my culture than I have to be with theirs. But it never really hit me before until I was starting to talk to guests who like, you know, had really trenchant critiques of movies I love and then turned out to love those films as well. And I realized like, you know, to be part of something other than the monoculture,

you have to learn to either allow things to just bounce off you, like Superman, or you have to just stop engaging in kind of mainstream white culture. Because there's always gonna be something in there telling you you're a piece of shit. And it's really interesting talking to people who are like, yeah, you know,

the way I like the black character in that film is like insane. It's horrible what they did. I love this movie. And I'm like, you know, if you did that to me in a film, I'd be like, how dare you portray me that way? I mean, dude, it's like Predator 2, Danny Glover's Predator 2. I love that fucking movie.

And being the son of Jamaicans, there are the Rasta gang. I forgot what they called them, right? That's right, dude. I thought when I was a kid, I was like, dude, this is awesome, man. I was like, they're portraying Jamaicans, there are the Rasta Gang. I forget what they call them, right? That's right. Dude, I thought when I was a kid, I was like, dude, this is awesome, man. I was like, they're portraying Jamaicans. And then like years later, I saw there was a bunch of social criticism about how, oh, the Voodoo Gang, the way they portrayed is harmful. I was like, dog, I was like 12 years old when I first saw that movie. I was just happy that they were Jamaicans then. I don't even know if they were real Jamaicans.

They probably were not. Had really bad dread wigs. But I mean, I enjoyed it, you know what I mean? So there is nuance there, man. And I think it's also just about seeing yourself represented in media. And I know that's a cliche thing to say, but I mean, you can also sort of walk that line

or you can kind of reconcile that, okay, this might be offensive to some people and in some ways maybe it is but also too I don't think these people meant anything by it but more importantly it's entertaining right and I don't know people have me a problem me saying it but because maybe it's not woke but uh just being real you know. Well there is I get what is like present it's considered like bad form to use the term presentism am I correct or have we gotten past that? Ooh, man.

Hard to say, Josh. The verdict's still out. Because I'm like, I'm sorry, man. Until I hear a compelling argument, I'm like, yeah, you do have to take into account, you know, the intent. I hate giving a shit about filmmakers' intent, but the understanding of the times. You know, there are movies, there are cultural artifacts, so much people were doing things

that were really vigorously radical and forward moving and so forth, they were even kind of dangerous that are today kind of embarrassing, you know? And I always go to, I don't know if I've told this story on the show or not, but like, my grandfather, Arthur Faulkner is kind of a, not the most likable guy, but- Any relation to William? Arthur Faulkner is kind of a not not the most likable guy but this is not the tack it side that's my dad's side this is my mom's dad but he worked in

this big insurance company and I think like in the 50s he put himself on the line he fought to integrate their insurance sales force to bring in black salesmen at a time when like, you know, there's nothing I've done in my life that comes close to like as ballsy, as progressive, as like, you know, daring as that. And to the day he died, he would happily explain to you why the light skin ones are smarter than the dark skin ones. God damn, yo. He would happily explain to you where the light-skinned ones are smarter Damn But you know what I mean so like what do you do with that it's like well, yeah, he's a product of his times I mean, it's it's like it reminds me of

And I hope it'll make it go upset But it just reminds me of this guy you think about viral because I think that um what beer brand was it that had a trans? artist I think that what beer brand was it that had a trans artist? Bud Light. Yeah, it was Bud Light, right? And this guy, this guy, I mean, this is probably just maybe the political mindset when it comes to social issues of most Americans, but he's like, yeah, man, I don't see why it's a big deal.

Like, I don't care if they hired a tranny for Bud Light I like Bud Light and I'll keep drinking and it's like brother. I really appreciate I really appreciate you're like you're just acceptance, but you probably shouldn't use that word you know what I mean So what do you do with that you know? What do you do with that bit? Like Harlan County, USA. Everybody's watched that documentary. Oh yeah.

Well, I'm just going to take Josh to task real quick because my episode of this show can before it even got off the ground because somebody didn't want to pay $80 for a VHS copy of Masterpiece. I'm Bout It. I know, I got it. We just finally watched it. Yeah, Tom Webb is going to come on. He's going to come on for something else. I think you even suggested it because we were going to do a reversal.

We do this every now and then. We've done one so far where it's kind of like we do Black Cannon. It was a great episode. I've never seen a frame of, but yeah, we're going to do Master P's I'm Bouted. I didn't know Master P was even, I know Romeo, his son had that show in Nickelodeon, but I didn't know Master P.

You know, you made a bunch of, you made, are they movies? I mean, they're like, you made a bunch of video cassettes, I get it, but they made a ton of money. I've seen every straight to VHS Master P thing from 95 to 98 that there was. Including MP The Last Dawn, I'm About It famously. I mean I could go on. Why am I finding out for the first time Master P was like a visionary director?

Now this is like finding out like you know like Jorge Luis Borges like pottery or some shit like that. You know what I'm saying? Like just he gave Eddie Griffin he gave Eddie Griffin a million in cash to be in that movie wait in what movie and oh no that was I think I got the hookup okay is that any because I was I'm out it I like none of us couldn't make it 20 minutes into that thing because it was just like it just it did it look like you'd have been shot on VHS, which it was by, I mean, you couldn't hear what anyone was saying.

It was just, it was insane. It was like, this thing made a fortune. That's because he spent all of his budget on Eddie Griffin. That's right, yeah. So hell of a time. So we got, we got. Our budget was $1,027. Yeah.

So Tom, what are these titles again? I'm Bout It, what's the other one? I'm Bout It. What's the other one? I'm Bout It. I Got the Hook Up was AJ Johnson. Remember AJ Johnson? This comedian. No, but- That's right.

Go ahead. No, he had a bunch of those like sort of straight to VHS kind of- I just appreciate the titles, man. They sound like responses that my bomb plug would send me. You know what I'm saying? When I'm asking him if I could come through, he's like, yo, yeah, because I got the hookup, okay, man. Yeah, I don't know, there's plenty of those.

That's great. Yeah, I don't know if we could ever really go into that, but you are okay with it. We ended up pulling the plug on that one to do it with something else, and then, but yeah, Tom's coming back. We're also gonna do an occasional Kumbaya episode of movies that are beloved

by kind of, not necessarily by everyone, but that have kind of like specific white appeal and black appeal that might actually be different within the same film I bought with me to say want to talk about and and I'll be honest some of it there's there's a thing I've been fascinated by I mean I've had enough conversations with folks, but And I'll be honest, some of it, there's a thing, and I've been fascinated by it. I mean, I've had enough conversations with folks, but it always blew my mind that like, you do a piece of work and you slowly, you guys probably know what your audience

kind of looks like on a broad scale. Oh, don't I? The people who loved my film and history of violence the most seemed to break into like the two camps were sweet little white haired old ladies like your grandmother and and gangsta rapper

Almost finally get one. I'm like, that's why because it is it is on the surface What are the whitest movies you're ever gonna see? I'm curious to know what movie it is No history of our history about it's okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so I've got like somewhere that a lot of it is though. No, History of Violence. Oh, History of Violence, okay, okay, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so I'm kinda like, somewhere down the line, if it's not too self-serving, I wanna do that one, cause I'm fascinated by that, cause it's really been interesting. I think I took a date. Anyway.

I think I took a date to see that movie. When did it come out, 2003, Josh? 2005. 2005. So yeah, me and you, you had definitely contributed to maybe one of the worst date nights of my high school life. But you know what? It worked out. Oh no! Was it a movie? I saw it at the free movie at the Morehead State University Theater.

I have to admit Josh, I've not seen, I've seen some of your other work, but I've not seen History of Violence. Gotta see it. But when you see my other work. I saw the Batman shit that you did. Oh, the Batman cartoon, yeah. Yeah, that shit was awesome, dude. I've watched every episode of Sons of Anarchy, Joe. Oh, did we talk about that?

Apparently, apparently you wrote it. Yeah, there's a weird, what's the new AI thing that kicked Chachi BT's ass? Deep, Deep Seek or whatever? Yeah. Deep Seek, yeah, I saw people were doing this. I ran like, give me a bio, like a one paragraph bio of myself on both of them.

And Chachi Bt got it right, but Deep Seek somehow thought I had written 50 episodes of Sons of Anna. Nice. Shame. Same as it. Not a bad problem, not a bad, you know. But anyway, yeah, it's called the White Cannon. Listen to it.

It's fun. Subscribe. You might learn something. I have learned something. The White Cannon. It's funny, you kicked it off doing network with Matt Crisp and during the flood, Terrence found a box floating down the river and when he picked it up out of the creek, there was just one one a single photograph of Ned Beatty participating in a jug band concert

What two photos actually Yeah, that was that was a lot of fun. I really kind of kicked it all off. But we're gonna be putting out some of those, I guess all of them, all the old Champagne Sharks ones too over time. Nice. Cause he's got so freaking many.

It's crazy. Like I'd ask him, but I don't have time. Cause like every time I talk to Trevor, he's like bouncing from one thing to the other, we get into the show. But I do want to like, how many episodes of that? I think he outnumbers everybody. How many have you guys done?

In all, like 600 maybe? 600, goddamn it. Six or 700? Feels like it should be way more having been at it eight years, but. Well. That's crazy. And two a week the whole time?

Yeah, but we've taken breaks before. Back before, we used to have other jobs and stuff. So like this only became a money making operation the year of the pandemic. Yes, truly. Oh really? Yeah. Cause like I had a job for the first two years of the show

and then I got fired and then I had time to actually do the show. And then after that, it started to make some money. But it felt like the pandemic was the year that it finally. Oh yeah. I used to wash dishes before I got on this show. So I still wash dishes, but I don't get paid to do it. Wash your own, right?

Yeah. You should. I continue to wash dishes. But that would get paid. Not professional. I'm an amateur dishwasher is what it is. I retired from the game. Well, I would like to suggest everybody please go check out

the white cannon. That's with one N, am I correct, Josh? With one N, that is correct. You should just fuck with people and just make it two Ns. I don't know why. We're shooting people out of the white cannon Where I thought I texted you the other day Tom there was something like I've had to stop I just wanted to say is a It's like an errand. It'll be nice to be on,

because this time when you guys are talking and I'm yelling, you'll actually hear me. But I've stopped listening to you guys in the car when I drive my son to school or home, because there have been a couple times when I've just laughed so hard, I feel like I was endangered. Both of us.

I'm trying to find the, I said top of text recently, but I can't find it, man. There was something about, something you said where I literally had to pull over the car, just like laughing. You just need a disclaimer before you listen to the show. Do not listen while operating heavy machinery. Exactly, yeah.

Cause like I'm like, and then my kid just like, he sees me laughing, so he's just like. Oh shit. Okay, all right. Although was it about Robbie Williams, I remember oh yes So yeah time did text me like he couldn't believe this is a really told me that I was like surely He's like mistaken about that If you're gonna do one as you as an animal like I

Would do I would either go massive animal or tiny little animal I would do like a Flea like a mouse or like a great elephant Yeah, we're great. Have you guys all seen it? No, I've not seen it I'm just pissed off that everyone keeps saying like because Americans their reaction is like who the fuck is Robbie Williams And there there are tons of British people you don't know who Robbie Williams and they're are tons of British people who are like you don't know who Robbie Williams is. And they're like no I don't, I don't know who he is. I feel like I do. What's interesting about him,

how would I have known him? Well what's interesting, I mean he's massive. I've heard of him, he was like vaguely aware of him. I couldn't name a Robbie Williams song. But what's always interested in me, because he's massive over there. Is there other artists who are massive? Like I'm a huge, you know, I love the Jam,

I love Paul Weller. You know, he's never had anything like a hit over here, but like, you know, people know who he is and he comes and he tours here and he sells out and people love him and there's tons of bands like that, I think, but he's the one that I always go to. But somehow Robbie Williams has never had that. and yeah my wife and I watched the film was like I'm so like what is this gonna be and and it's just it's weird man it's a weird fucking movie I can't recommend it

highly enough because so you are recommending it like well I mean I don't want to say it's a bad movie because the filmmaker's great it's well made. And you know, if I didn't know and if there aren't moments in the film that are clearly, you know, work towards like that address the fact that he's a monkey chimpanzee, you know, chimpanzee, sorry, I'd be like, oh, they made this film, they realized the central character so unlikeable, they thought the only thing to do was replace it with a chip head Z.

Because he's just this, he starts out, he's this guy who's like, he wants to be famous for the sake of being famous. And by the end of the movie, I think it's famous and then he's tortured by that because it's a pain in the ass. And then by the end of the movie, he's like, hey, it's cool, I'm famous,

it's because I'm great at what I do. Like nothing happens. There's nothing redeeming about him. There's this moment I had to look up. Oh yeah, Monkey does tons of drugs. There's great background cast. The guys who play Oasis look just like him from a distance.

The Tom Jones guy. There's a scene where he does a duet with Tom Jones. And you hear somebody off camera go, wow, he just blew Tom Jones off the stage. And I'm and I'm like what I looked it up on YouTube and you're like yeah he did not he didn't even cut he's just like Tom Jones is there doing his thing he's one of the greats and this guy's just slithering around him in this kind of weird creepy way you got you got us and by the way the music there's not a single song in it that you're gonna walk out humming it's

Well, sorry Terrence, all right, I gotta go do my taxes I'm sorry I'm no I'm literally not lying. I'm the CEO CFO of this operation and Which means that the money that we bring in I have to Crunch the numbers. So you guys paying taxes So I am paying taxes One quick question on that topic if Trump actually did do away with the IRS before April 15th How would you genuinely feel about that? That would be so sick. That would be awesome.

That would be tight. That would be tight. That would be so tight. Well, hopefully he would erase back taxes to any money possibly owed. Yeah, are they trying to make up for it with tariffs? Is that what the thinking would be? No, they're gonna give us Monopoly money, dog.

They're gonna give us Swedish fish. Company scripts. Yes, indeed. Hey, there's some precedence for that having worked before. So. Guys, thank you, man. I've loved this. I love talking to you all.

Of course. Thanks for coming over, brother man. Yeah. That was good to talk to you. My pleasure. Go check out The White Cannon, and Josh, you have other podcasts too. Oh, I have so many.

Yeah. No, just the movies that made me, that I do with Joe Dante, where we talk to different filmmakers and artists and we've had you guys on to talk about some, we talk to them not about their work, but their favorite movies. And we've been getting a lot of bumps lately for a show

I finished a couple years ago called The West Wing. It's the 25th anniversary Of the West Wing I was about to say to um I know this isn't my show but people should listen to the West Wing thing if they haven't already I've been on a couple times and people may know the West Wing is one of my favorite shows until I stopped being a dumbass. So go check that out. Yeah, it's not what you think. It's like we dissect the terrible politics of that show and it is, as I said the other day, it's 271 hours of I fucking told you so.

And that's fun. And then if you're interested in drama, I did an audio drama called Bronzeville with Lawrence Fishburne and Lorenz Tate that's all about the numbers rocketsets in the 40s in Chicago. I'm very proud of that wrote every episode But that that's it for my no more podcasting. My wife's like no more podcasting. This is it. You can't have it You can't have another job. You have a child All right, we'll go support our buddy Josh Olson and you can go support us at patreon the link will be in the show Yes, so please go do that these guys are awesome fucking love you guys. Thank you. Well. Thanks again, Josh We'll see you all over on the patreon in a few days. Hope you all have a great weekend

and adios peace music Thank you.