Trillbilly Worker's Party - Episode 389: Real Human Stories
Episode Date: April 17, 2025This week we're discussing The Parliamentarian, the Doomsday Clock, Real Human Stories, and more Ethicist dilemmas Support us on Patreon: www.patreon.com/trillbillyworkersparty...
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I had, you know, nobody, it seems like nobody's having a good time, but I actually saw an
instance of somebody having a good time this morning.
I went to the Waffle House and as is per my tradition, I like to give them a little financial
literacy on the touch tunes.
So I play Money Talks ACDC, obviously Money for Nothing Dire Straits, Love for the Love
of Money by the OJs
That's how I start my day. Just thinking about my at a waffle house playing the music
Yeah, yeah, the guy that was behind there like on the grill I
played
I play our come together was playing first. I didn't cue that one up. Hmm. I'm not a fan of that
It was play first. He goes hell. Yeah one up. I'm not a fan of that. It was play first.
He goes, hell yeah, baby, that's a good one.
The Rolling Stones, he told one of the waitresses.
And I was just like, that's...
You're right, dude.
That's funny.
And then I played Dire Straits Money for nothing.
He goes, hell yeah, baby, Eddie Money.
And I thought to myself, Oh, for two.
And then the piece, they resistance money or money talks.
ACD comes on.
He goes, he looks at that waitress.
He goes and starts playing the guitar.
He goes Metallica.
You had over three.
Just totally missed who each song was by just pulling up
Yeah
Airball not even close. I started I started a control group
See if he was doing a bit and I was gonna play take me home tonight by Eddie money
and if he would have said dire straights then I knew he was just
Playing me for a fool, you know
It's funny the
concept that Eddie money would write a song called money for nothing and chicks
for free you know what's his other songs Eddie money yeah did he have two tickets
to paradise right right? Yeah
Something's kind of funny about Eddie money
He used to be a cop No, yeah, he started he said he didn't he didn't like being a cop so he quit to pursue a career music
He had take me home tonight. Yeah
That's what I was gonna go with. That's his best son
Damn I'm trying to think of songs about money
Wasn't there a Pink Floyd song called money? Yeah that'd be a good one to add to the list. I gotta shake it up.
He's like playing Dire Straits. Hell yeah man, Emerson, Lake and Palmer. It's just like
going through the most arcade. When he started playing the guitar and like
mouthing the words to that waitress and gone Metallica
I lost I mean I lost it. I was like
No way
Isn't there like a dream song called love versus money
Planet money the podcast planet money comes on
He's like hell yeah, Ezra Klein
Jim Kramer
Planet money with Jim Kramer. Hell yeah
Just lives in a parallel universe where everything is actually something
parallel universe where everything is actually something else. Yeah, metallic. He hit me with that. He'd hurt with that when I was like, oh my god, this guy's a legend.
Anyway, that's how my morning got started. Yeah, I'm distressed. Yeah,
yeah, it's bad times. Yeah, I don't know how to live in authoritarian America.
I just, I don't know what you can say.
I mean, granted, I've said all the things
that can get you arrested.
So let's just get this out of the way, all right?
I've had many people call me and contact me and say,
Terrence, you're probably marked, you're on a list,
you're probably going away for a long time.
And I say, you think and then and then it's done
I'm like, oh I am naive. I
Am like all of us walking into a buzzsaw. So let's just get this out of the way. I'm
marked for
I'm giving you the Adam Silver maybe instead better learn Chinese, but better learn Spanish buddy. Yeah
48 hours you'll be there there for Alpians El Salvador
I
Don't really know what you can and can't say but it's you are you were right the other day when you said that we're
Probably gonna start seeing some wild stuff like Chuck Schumer fleeing the country in the dead of night
You know what I mean? We start seeing that if we like, you know
I saw just before we got on here that Cory Booker's organizing a
You know flotilla to El Salvador
If he gets murked down there or something like it's not crazy like that happens, you know
Yeah, he won't the thing is it's it's kind of like
Something I've struggled with since this all began is the fact that they don't see any
part of the left, whether liberal or far left or anything, as a threat.
So nothing's gonna happen to Cory Booker.
Nothing's gonna happen to, was that guy's name Chris Van Hollen who went down there?
Nothing's gonna happen to any of the candidates who run on the 2028 ticket. They're not gonna like hit Bernie with the heart attack gun like they did Hugo Chavez or like the cancer gun. Yeah
They don't see Bernie done heavy oil. They don't see any of it as a threat
So they're not why would they waste their time?
Like they've won. I hate to
Start out and they do more note, but this is the apotheosis
This is the culmination of 40 years and the way you know this man is it has a narrative resonance
We've talked we talked about
The fact that you don't have Trump if you don't have Reagan right like this
Well, he doesn't have his fortune without right now the switch to
Like the sweater he doesn't have his fortune without right now the switch to financialization
Is what enabled Donald Trump to rise because it?
It reallocated capital from production to finance which gave rise to real estate capital
So you don't get Trump without Reagan But you also don't get JD Vance without Reagan. Because that also meant that municipalities
were stretched thin and had to double down on policing
over the last 40 years.
And they've just run roughshod over communities.
And like we said on the Patreon a few days ago,
you don't get the opioid epidemic
without this massive infusion of policing,
heavily militarized communities, right?
Which gives rise to JD Vance.
You don't get JD Vance without the opioid epidemic.
It's this whole hook.
Yeah, it's the economic and cultural pillars of MAGA.
And that's what I mean, like that's how you know they've won.
They've completed the circuit.
At no point were liberals ever, ever.
I mean, the liberals tried to stave it off
for a little while.
They tried to buy themselves some time with Clinton, right?
Because they tried to basically play on their terms,
on Reagan's terms.
Even Clinton, yeah, even Clinton had to say,
well, we're not like those squishy Democrats of yore.
Yeah.
You know, we're gonna three-strikes you out.
Yeah.
And then rise of the carceral state
is well-t tried in territory. So basically
Clinton was just he was a placeholder. Yeah, you know for a while didn't meaningfully
Do anything that any Republican wouldn't do you know
You look at it. Yeah, I think that that's how they tried to because the thing is that Reagan and the Republican Revolution
That started in 1980, give or take, they basically figured out that you could corner the Democrats
on this stuff.
You know what's really bleak right now?
Democrats in Congress right now basically have to approve the tax cuts that are massive
handouts to billionaires or
Push the cunt if they don't push the country closer to recession. That's the bind brother Yeah, that's the bind that Republicans have had liberals Democrats in since the 80s. They're at there's no at no point like I
Don't know. I'm not
I'm not trying to say like
It's over we lost But we did we didn't use the war they took home the trophy this year, but there's always next year
They are the defending champions that I mean it's their world always the next 40 years, right, right
Yeah, yeah next season which in American life is I I'm just saying that whatever rises to challenge this
has to be entirely new.
Because in pretty much every way, form, or fashion.
Can you imagine Rahm Emanuel actually running for president?
I can't even.
Like what?
I can't even imagine AOC running for president.
And you know why?
Because it's all predicated on pleading with them to give us something
Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Like please can we please have our public sector unions?
Can we please have our you know public sector in general like?
You know, it's it's just like it's a resounding no
Can we please have health care? It's resounding. No. Yeah, like whatever comes has to be
Entirely new and confrontational. Yeah, and can't be hat in hand. Yeah, we might be able to leverage
Trump's horniness for cloudy a shine bomb. That's true useful
That is in a situation where the Mexicans invade us like what's roughly there's I've said
I've said that like the world if it really wants to push back against Trump should elect hot babes
You got to hot babe ism is on the rise around me. Yeah, that's the only way like G
Like can't you can't he can't be swayed by carnal no prospect of carnal pleasure. No, that's a serious man
No, but you know
No prospect of carnal pleasure. No, that's a serious man. No, but you know
Whoever follows you should be a hot babe because Trump would fold in a minute. That's true be hitting himself He'd be giving ourselves like 200 percent tariffs. Yeah
Horny wolf eyes popping out. Yeah. Yeah, there's no question about that
Have you checked out where the doomsday clock is these days?
Back in January it was 57 seconds away from doomsday. We're pretty close to midnight. Yeah.
Where do you think we think we are now? Just look at it, take a peek. You got your
phone? I don't know where my phone is. I'm not carrying it anymore, which will
appear to the authorities of suspicious behavior. I'm sure
Let's see what we got here. Where's the doomsday clock sit here at 11 58. I was thinking of um
A jason statham movie called the parliamentarian
He's like, oh We're going to stop these bills
Boy
Yeah, we need jason statham to do one last job.
He's the parliamentarian.
And he's gotta stop every bill that comes.
So like the first movie is the Democrats
are in control of Congress.
And they wanna pass like a child income tax credit
on like 0.2% of your child, like one of his arms.
You get a tax credit on your child's arm
Yeah, if he's Puerto Rican and lives in a
neighborhood where the median income is
$30,000
Yeah number that doesn't even make sense 30 hundred thousand. Yeah, and he's like we're gonna stop his bill
We're gonna stop his bill. We're gonna stop it
Doesn't do any stunts or anything in there just paperwork this role
Paperwork and him muttering under his breath something has to be done. Yeah
And only a way he can't
Where are we at in the dude's thing? we're 89 seconds to midnight? So we're
What I thought we were like?
Oh, that means we're at like 11 58
20 seconds or something. Yeah. Yeah. Whoa, that's pretty close. That is close
But what does that mean though? What is the doomsday isn't it like nuclear?
Armageddon. Um, let's see
What's it what's what does it actually all mean?
I don't like that
The clock is a metaphor for estimating humanity's proximity to catastrophe
In 2023 the bulletin set the clock at 90 seconds to midnight,
the closest to disaster it has ever been, citing the war in Ukraine,
the covid-19 pandemic and cyber enabled disinformation.
In 2024, the time was held at seconds to midnight.
They counted in cyber and its origins back to the Manhattan project.
And the scientists. Ah, okay.
So it got to 90 seconds to midnight in 2020.
And what was it in like,
so they started with the Manhattan Project,
so like in 1950 they were like,
we got 30 minutes to midnight, it's hard.
It's hard, let's,
one more roll in the hay.
Hope to warn the world about the dangers of their creation.
The clock was introduced in 1947, and originally set at seven minutes to midnight. on the high. On my ass. Red on reducing the threats posed by on my ass
reducing the threats posed by my ass use of biological science and other disruptive technologies
My ass poses a threat if you're
What would that be would your ass qualify under disruptive technologies?
or
biological warfare disruptive technologies or biological warfare disruptive technologies
we've already stopped this bill we gotta stop this bill this isn't going to the
high this isn't going any further than my desk it's gonna filibuster the
image right if we don't the Chinese are gonna rule.
The Chinese.
But then the second movie, the sequel,
the Republicans are in charge of Congress.
And they're like.
They bring Statham back as the parliamentarian.
Yeah, but Statham is still the parliamentarian.
So they're like, we're gonna pass a bill
where we murder everybody.
Everybody's gonna die because we're racist
and even if you're white, we're still gonna kill you but we might
Keep your DNA around to put you in biological wound to chemical wounds
Wounds so that we confuse your brain with AI and then Jesus is gonna come back and then jayson says it's like
We've got to stop this one
Last movie I was worried about the Chinese now
That's me. That's me own
We might need the Chinese for this one
Brings the Chinese in for that one. Yeah
Yeah, he pulls his mask off it's just president
Man Well hell and then at the end of that one
there is a revolt a popular revolt and it sweeps in a number of
sweeps in a number of lefties and libertarians into office.
Okay, there was the blue wave and red wave hit at the same time.
The house is split right down the middle.
Right down the middle, right.
He's like, that's how governance should be.
I've got nothing to do now.
There's no, oh, it's dead even now.
Yeah, the parliamentarian is just but it's like a mix with that movie with Jason stay then where he has to like
Constantly have his adrenaline jacked or like oh art explode like it's like the crank crank or charge or something
Yes, it like has have sex
Nothing that's the conceit to like the parliamentarian also has a thing where his he has to keep his adrenaline
He has to keep it down. It was generally gets too high
That's what his heart is. They bring it up. I referenced that to a friend of mine
He's dealing with some health issues this week. He's got a had to wear like one of those
Defibrillators or something. Oh, I was like so you're like Jason Statham and crank. I think I called it charge though
Maybe not the
Best thing to say somebody's don't something serious, but you gotta bring a little levity and you have to bring a little levity and everything
See, that's the thing you were talking about the human, common human stories. Isn't that a common human story?
There's like five stories. You said there's five stories.
Yeah, here's what I've got.
What are the five stories?
Here's what I've got.
Is one of them, man gets outfitted with technology that...
Because this was also kind of the premise of speed, but it was a bus, not a man, but...
I got five... I'm sure there's more people can feel free to add here
Number one is you killed my father
Okay
Number one on the five human stories that were we've been telling since the beginning of time you killed my father to
Friend with hot chick love interest dies in war so his hot guy friend doesn't have to nobly forego getting with said hot chick
I think that was the plot premise of the movie Pearl Harbor.
Do you remember that?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
With, was it Ben Affleck and?
I can't remember who's in Ben, who's in Pearl Harbor.
The guy that was in that recent.
Tom Sizemore?
No.
No, it was Tom, Tom Sizemore.
Keep it Gooding Jr. was in it, but.
I always get Pearl Harbor and Black Hawk now mixed up.
Who's the dreaming guy that was in that M. Night Shyamalan movie, Trap? Oh, Hartnett. Yeah, he was in. Wasn't he in Pearl Harbor and Black Hawk Down mixed up. Who's the dreaming guy that was in that M Night Shyamalan movie Trap?
Oh Hartnett. Wasn't he in Pearl Harbor? Either that or Black Hawk Down
One of the two okay
I know they're from two very different periods in history right Black Hawk Down takes place in Somalia in the 80s 90s
I think 90s. Yeah, and then
Pearl Harbor well, you know the 1890s of
course the 1790s well okay yeah premise story number two okay hot guy gets killed
in a war so his hot chick girlfriend can so friend. Now his buddy doesn't have to nobly forego her
because they were together or whatever.
Now he can get with her.
He can get with her because it's fair game.
In fact, he might be upholding his biblical duty.
You're right, that is an ancient story that's been.
Three is, did you hear that?
Did you hear that?
You go investigate strange noise, you know? Yeah, it's more horror genre. Yeah, okay
Number four is a funny thing happened on the way to the market. Okay, you witnessed a murder
Yeah, I innocently and now you're the subject of a mob hit exactly didn't even sign up you see a drug deal gone wrong
You know in and so now you're a person of interest
Yeah, and five is the classic hero heroines journey. This could be,
Oh, the Odyssey, the Odyssey, Jack and the Beanstalk, which I guess is more of a
thievery. There is another, the revenge of Maddick,
which I know is a kind of a genre informally in movies, but the what the,
I guess that would be a filed under you killed my father. No. Mm-hmm
That would be
I think I brought oh I brought one up to you the other day
Provincial upstart moves to the city
Fish out of water fish out of water Yeah, let's out of water there you have that that's it add that to the storage fish out of water. Fish out of water. Fish out of water, there you go. Yeah, let me add that to human stories.
Add that to the story.
Fish out of water.
That's a real human story.
That's a human story.
Real human stories.
Fish out of water.
Out of water, yeah.
What about?
We had to update the title from five human stories
to six, maybe more stories to six maybe more
Maybe more
What about the story of
bluebeard
Bluebeard the pirate no
You're thinking of blackbeard and I think bluebeard is like a old fairy tale
Let me let me find it real quick. It's got a weird premise. The tale tells the story of a wealthy man in the habit of
murdering his wives in the attempts of the present one to avoid the fate of her
predecessors. So sort of like a human centipede for... It's sort of like the
story of Henry VIII and Anne Boleyn.
Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So he has a habit of murdering his wives.
Can't quit playing the scratch-offs,
but for killing your spouse.
The verb bluebearding has even appeared
as a way to describe the crime
of either killing a series of women
or seducing and abandoning a series of women.
Oh, bluebearding. okay, that's not the same
Seducing and abandoning a series of women is not the same as killing them. I guess who's bluebeard though
That seems like a Jezebel type article they were like it's really pretty much the same when a man
Seduces and abandons a woman. It's pretty much the same as when he seduces and kills them called bluebearding in both examples like yeah
like this nuance yeah let's just keep it in perspective okay I'm not I'm not sure
I'm ready to add bluebeard to the human stores thing but I have to bring it up for the council and see where they land on that
oh they get the human story as opposed to an american story okay okay that's a real american
story okay that's a good distinction basically you're saying human stories that speak to the
human condition not just some cultural pathology or national folk
Legend wacko jacko would be an American story
You killed my father would be a human story, okay, that's a good distinction. All right
well, then let's look at this because I thought that um, I
Thought I had another one here.
But maybe I don't.
What about like, let's look at the sports genre.
David versus Goliath.
David versus Goliath.
That's a human story.
That is a human story.
David versus Goliath.
Seven. That's maybe the most inspiring one a human story David versus Goliath
That's maybe the most inspiring one well, what about Joe, but what would you consider that? Oh, that's uh
What is that? What does that fall in?
Hmm
Bad time endurance endurance Oh Bad times. Endurance. Oh, good times, bad times don't last, but bad guys do. But bad
guys. Was it the NWO who used to say that? Scott Hall? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. David That's number seven seven eight
Those that endure endurance enduring enduring
Undo hardship. Mm-hmm
That's a human story enduring undo art the gods hate me the gods hate me the gods are vengeful the gods are vengeful Oh you gods the god
parentheses s uh-huh The gods are vengeful. The gods are vengeful, oh you gods. The god, parentheses S.
I'm a pagan now, I believe in gods.
But not in like a Wiccan way.
Is Wiccan pagan or is it satanic? I think it's pagan.
Can we have a cool paganism?
They did away with that a long time ago
About time the druids went away. Shit somebody showed up somebody showed up to the stone hinge is like chatting
You know, they're just like y'all ever noticed. This is a little gay. Mm-hmm. And then they're like
This is our been our religion for a long time
You know like what it is he's like, nah man,
it's a bunch of us out here dancing around in robes.
I don't know.
It cast doubt, and then that's when the slow devolution
of paganism happened.
That's so true.
That's really when it started.
Culminating in, you know,
That's really when it started. Culminating in, you know,
we will say not super socially mobile of us
in high school getting picked on for the same,
for harboring the same beliefs.
Yeah, the same beliefs as pagans?
I didn't.
You never celebrated Sam Hain? No, I never did that. I don't even know what that is. You ever listen to Sam Hayne?
I don't know. Good man. Are they hell are they pagan?
That's I think it's Glenn Danzig side gig dude pre-workout is the weirdest shit ever
Well, you probably need to start using some for this honestly. Yeah. The thing is is it has so much goddamn
Caffeine in it. Yeah, it seems like very unhealthy
Yeah, that's maybe that's what you know
They could have just probably saved a lot in props for that movie charge if they just kept giving state and coffee instead of
Hooking his titties up to a car battery
That's so true
That's your right. You're right about that. It should just been like
Boy, if I don't get me coffee and oh if I don't get me coffee, I can't stop this bill
Stato comes to the halls of Congress wearing don't talk to me tough at my cafe
And he's got his he's got the shirt cut out where his nipples are
And he's got to if I'll get me coffee there's only one other way I can stop this bill from pass
There's only one other way to I can stop this bill from pass
Juice me up juice juice juice me up you gotta juice me up man
I'm trying to think I'm sorry. I'm I'm I am paying attention. I'm just trying to think of other stories I think we've we've got eight now. We're up to eight human stories. Okay, all right
Means I gotta go change the title of this again
eight human stories
I'm trying to think about like
What are some things where?
What are some stories where people?
Do things
I've probably fathered under the heroes slash heroines journey
I
Feel like I went down a rabbit hole of folktales recently. What was your favorite growing up a folktales?
um
Jack and the beanstalks pretty good. I always liked
What was your thoughts about like Cinderella, what is that? What would that fall under?
That's kind of almost in the that's almost a fish out of water story, right? That's the little it's with elements of
Friend with hot chick love interest dies and more so his hot guy friend doesn't have to know before go get him with that
Said hot chick. That's a great genre. That is really been
doesn't really roll off the tongue, but
It's no why a Cinderella story kind of
What was snow white?
Snow in the seven doors. What did she what happens there?
I don't know you guys get kissed by a prince or something lion king is you killed my father for sure. Yeah. Yeah
Yeah, that's hamlin. That's revenge of Maddie hamlin. That's the
child's entry point to revenge of Maddie genre
You're right. It's like it starts there every kid kill bill
Every kid wants to get revenge for his father's death
Even if his father hasn't been killed and is still alive and healthy. Yeah, this was lampooned with the line
You killed my father prepared to die from from Princess Bri starring Wala Shahn.
Oh right, I love that movie as a kid.
Yeah.
I'm trying to think of other movies,
other folktales that I liked,
other than Speed, that was a folktale.
Never tell you there was,
there's like Appalachian equivalents
for all the big stories.
No.
Like Cinderella, there's an Appalachian equivalent
called Ash Pet.
Did you know that? No, I didn't know that yeah I was what's the is it a glass slipper is it like a wooden clog that may look it up now let me get out we're
80 or 89 seconds to midnight I don't know if I said that you got plenty of
time then okay you have plenty of time to look up ash ash pet ash pet and I Ashpet. Ashpet. Not Ash Peterson. Ashpet in American Cinderella. Set in the rural
south in the early years of World War II, Ashpet is a version of Cinderella, the
world's most popular folktale. The title for Tom Davenport's film was borrowed
from an Appalachian folklore collected by Richard Chase and published in his
grandfather's tales. Ashpet derives from the German Aschemputel
which is the title of the Grimm Brothers version of the Cinderella tale.
The term originally designated a lowly dirty kitchen maid who tends to the
fireplace ashes. There is also an English version called Ashley Pelt.
Ashley Pelt. I. Ashley Pelt.
I don't like the dehumanizing language
of Ash Pet and Ashley Pelt,
and whatever the fuck Ash and Puddle is.
Well, here's the thing about folktales, brother.
There's no author, so you can just change
whatever you don't like and retell a story.
I think I'm gonna bring Ash Pet into the 21st century.
Yeah, make it woke.
Yeah, we're gonna make her.
What about the frog princess?
Or the frog prince, I'm sorry.
What's the deal with the frog prince?
Well, you know, like,
if you get a, if the princess kisses the frog,
he turns into a prince or something like that.
Like a reversal?
Yeah, does it make sense?
Let's see.
Like the frog's trying to avoid getting kissed by a woman
so he doesn't turn into a prince
In the forest a selfish princess accidentally drops her golden ball into a well a frog offers to retrieve it in exchange for her friendship
She agrees but goes back on her word after getting the ball back and runs to her castle
Why she never won't be friends with a frog? I'm
that's I can't understand that because
Personally frogs are some of the coolest people to hang out with. I look chills out. Yeah, bring the Budweiser frog
I love that shit, dude. They're just chillin the next day
She's eating with her father when the frog knocks on the door and requests to be let in
The king tells his daughter that she must keep her promise and she reluctantly obeys
The frog sits next to her and eats from her promise and she reluctantly obeys.
The frog sits next to her and eats from her plate, then desires to sleep in the princess's bed.
She is disgusted at the idea of sleeping with the frog, but her father angrily chastises her for loathing someone who helped her in a time of need.
She picks up the frog and places him in a corner of the bedroom, but he hops up to her bed and demands to sleep as comfortably as the princess.
That's pretty problematic, dude. I got... He's pressuring her into... in a corner of the bedroom, but he hops up to her bed and demands to sleep as comfortably as the princess.
That's pretty problematic, dude.
He's pressuring her into...
And the king is abetting it.
Furious, she throws the frog against the wall,
but as he falls to the floor,
he is transformed into a handsome prince.
He explains that he was cursed by a wicked witch
and the spell could only be broken
with the princess' help.
The next day...
I could have said the spell could only be broken by you princess' help. The next day. I could only, the spell could only be broken
by you abusing me.
You committing animal abuse.
The next day, the two go to the princess kingdom
where they will be married.
That's pretty fast courtship, honestly.
Did the king have a little intel?
He might have.
I like the concept of you don't think you're,
I like the concept of being in your bedroom and there's a frog
there and you throw it against the wall and suddenly it's a hot ass dude with a massive
cock and you're like oh.
Thank God I thought this was a frog.
I thought this was a frog.
Please come dig me down right now.
Like this worked out all in my favor.
Get in my bed Mr. Prince frog in modern versions the transformation is triggered by the princess kissing the frog
So that's the one I was thinking I was thinking about the modern version
There's a little red riding hood Hansel and Gretel
Rapunzel what are what are these stories? What would you consider these?
Germanic folklore different genre
Doesn't work. It makes me uncomfortable story. I'm gonna be honest with you
They were those bony fingers from the witch and Hansel and Gretel a lot of them are anti-semitic a lot of them will be like
the town Jews
stole a child Put them will be like the town Jews stole a child
Put them in a whale
Hansel and Gretel a lot of them have to do with cannibalistic witches little red riding hood is I
Don't know like I...
Let's see Snow White, Sleeping Beauty
What's the one where...is Sleeping Beauty the one where like she can tell there's a pea like eight mattresses below her?
A pea?
Yeah, like there's a there's like a garden pea. Like a garden pea. Like a normal green pea.
They put a pea, she has eight mattresses and they put one underneath the bottom one and she's like I can't sleep on this
There's a fucking pee down there's a pee down there somebody take it out so I can sleep yeah
Maybe that's what's going on. That's why you're not sleeping good. There's a I'm princess in the pee. I am princess in the pee
Yeah, it's true. I really am like that. I can't sleep if it was one little thing
That's why I'm fucked if I'm sent to a
Detention facility you ain't been sleeping good here and privacy your own home. I just wish they'd kill me
I'm just ready for it to come. I just want them to kill me already
And now they're not gonna give you the satisfaction. That's true. You want it too much
No, no, we actually we're gonna give you a dot job with doze actually
As would be a fate worse than death for you. Mm-hmm
Yeah, that's true go get coffee for Elon. Never know dude that would suck. You know, what's interesting the
The tendency of and I know I've mentioned this before, but words and things to echo across time,
for example, how Isis was an old goddess,
and now it's Isis.
Doge used to be-
You talking about the Islimus group?
Yeah.
Is there another Isis I'm forgetting?
Isis K.
Oh, Isis K.
I think they spun off.
They were spun off. Were they nicer. I think they spun off. They were spun off. They were were they nicer?
I think they were meaner. Oh
If I think they were like Isis but with an edge. K-A-Y. Isis K. Isis K.
They had. They were gay Isis. Isis K.
Isis gay. If you say it quickly it says Isis gay Ice is gay if you say it quickly
Oh
But doge the leader of like Milan used to be called like or veneesh
Venice I'm pretty sure was like a doge the merchant of Venice. I saw anti-semitic. Yeah
Where we get you know the phrase pound to flesh? Anti-Semitism.
That's a human story, unfortunately.
You're gonna have to put it in there.
Pound to flesh?
No, Doge.
It's funny how like Doge was the leader
of an early capitalist,
what you could probably call proto-capitalist merchant state
in early Italy.
And now it's the catch word for we're dismantling the Empire and everyone's going to die
So make sense. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah, there's some like
linguistic resonance across the eight across the ages right like Isis and Doge and
I'm trying to think of other I'm gonna just go ahead and tell you what a slippery slopeless line of thinking is though
What you're about? three feet away from like I'm trying to think of other examples. I'm gonna just go ahead and tell you what a slippery, slopeless line of thinking is though. What?
You're about three feet away from like
seeing like demons faces in like wood grains.
You know?
Or, you know, breaking down words and saying, you know.
Doing like numerologies at yourself.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like 9-11 was like a 9-1-1
It was like 9-1-1. It was like a national emergency
So yeah, if not proceed but just know that so you're saying that like I'm I'm
bordering on sort of paranoid
Psychosis a little bit. I wouldn't say that necessarily. I'm just saying just be sober and vigilant.
I'm just saying it's interesting is all. I'm not saying that there's no...
What I'm saying is we live in a simulation.
There it is.
All I'm saying is we live in a situation, simulation Tom. You know what? I'm gonna tell you something.
I believe it's not not a hair kookier than that what maybe we've spoken a lot of
this into existence
Yeah, maybe I was shit. We've been doing the last seven years. It's like oh man
It's the fucking in so we weren't even close to the end doomsday clock was still 90 seconds when we were saying that
That's true, and really truly. It's only went forward three seconds in five years
Yeah, and a lot has happened in those five years
So if those five years can just move at three seconds
Like come on. We need to reassess our criteria
I
Mean Isis gaze on the march
So every funny thing about Isis is like listen we support the mission generally, but there's just one
Doctrine air position that we're gonna have to take a little exception with that is
We all like gay sex
You guys know so now what we have is what the Catholics would call schism and that's how ISIS K was formed
That's how is this gay. the basis was we like gay sex
We like saw to me we support homosexuality over here at Isis. Okay, like we have all the same names like you know
Isis came that's how it was for
Damn I had something I was going to say about that.
We've got to stop this bill.
We've got to stop my Supreme Court now.
There is that liberal impulse.
I know a lot of, talked to a lot of my liberal friends in the last couple days. And while I myself am very,
I don't consider it a positive development
that the Supreme Court supported, you know, nine to zero
and Trump was just like,
nah, I'm just gonna do it, I won't anyway.
I don't think that's good.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But there's a lot of people that are like really
Having a hard time with that
Well, did have you seen the right?
Things are so degraded like have you seen the right wings arguments about this stuff like there was a tweet going around that was like
So would it be okay if someone just mistakenly got shipped to Mongolia and
Sent to a prison colony and deported. I mean would guys say that that was bad it's like yeah that's it's still bad that's what
we're saying listen I'm you could send me to that IKEA jail in Sweden that they
set rocky was locked in for punching that guy and I'd be like this is still
fucked up it's just the fact that these are human beings but like
the widespread dehumanization obviously like there's nothing I can say about it that will that won't already have been
said but like
breaking people's windows in with a sledgehammer
I
mean Ledgehammer I mean
JD Vance bitching online about people saying that it's wrong
It's just like okay. This is the one I was thinking of Let's say you're a US citizen and ice grabs you off the street and puts you on a plane to Mongolia
Don't you just go to your consulate give them your name date of birth, etc. They make you a new passport and you fly home
They do this all day for tourists
who had their stuff in ID.
So.
Okay, okay, okay.
I just wanna point out there's a difference
between tourist and prisoner.
It's so easy to just go to your,
you just tell them, hey, I'm here by mistake.
Hey, listen, where's the consulate?
Dude, they don't, the thing is,
is all of this has already been moving
in this direction for so long.
The way people just get disappeared into prisons
and detention camps, and you can't plead with anybody.
That story in The Guardian we mentioned
of the Canadian resident, you can't convince anybody
that you're there quote unquote by mistake,
because it becomes a tautology.
If you're there, you're supposed to be there.
Yeah, yeah. That's why this fight with
Kilmer Obrego is gonna be like a thing because it's like
Like could you like
Trump's number one thing is like looking weak. Yeah, you know what I mean, and if by some you know, I hope he's still alive
but like if he if he is and they were to send him back that
would look like such a black eye for them that's why they're gonna fight that
tooth and nail you know what I mean 100% which is very disconcerting well they want to
establish the precedent that they and I do mean this,
they want to establish the president that they can just do anything with anybody that they want.
Like, I know they are trying to get rid of due process,
for example, and the reason why
is because they are a revolutionary government
in the sense that like, what I mean when I say that,
I don't mean like revolution in the good sense,
I mean like they are trying to break down the norms
that were really honestly shattered
with the George Bush administration.
Like the fact that like they were renditioning people
without due process and they were torturing people,
these things, right?
They have now, like you've seen this aperture just shrink, right? conditioning people without due process and they were torturing people these things right they
Have now like you've seen this aperture just shrink right like first It was okay to do it to Iraqis and Afghanistan ease then it became okay to do it to
immigrants in America like
Muslims Palestinians Arabs
Mexicans
Guatemalans and then before long, once we have,
we've repeated the cycle once again.
I'm sure AOC will run in 2028.
She might even win.
She'll be the next Obama.
We're just gonna repeat the same cycle
that began in the early 2000s
of a left populist movement that doesn't achieve anything.
And then we just-
And sets the tone for-
Sets the tone for the next-
The grist mill to come back.
Yeah, for the next Trump to come back. And back and then maybe Trump again. Well, right and then that and then that one will be
Because then they won't put any
Bullworks in place to actually stop the next people from not doing due process and but that's even assuming
There's gonna be elections, which we've already established there ain't gonna be fucking well
Here's the thing that's like disconcerting to me like you take the case of Mahmood Khalil, right?
They could just as easily I mean this is why when people like I was like
What do they mean they say the cruelty is the point and this is what I think they mean
They could easily find a kangaroo court anywhere in the American South that'll like send anybody wherever, like some judge that's on the take
or whatever, like they did with Mamou Khalil.
Right, right, right, yeah.
Now they're dispensing with even that measure,
like the appearance of legitimacy,
and just saying, nah, we can just sweep up whoever
and disappear them.
I mean, and they're dabbing on us in the process.
Like Marco Rubio literally had this thing yesterday where it's like the days where
People are jailed and confined for their speech are over
It's like they're dabbing on it's like they know that there's a contradiction. They know that there that's what they're doing to people
And so they're jailed and confined for their speech the same guy's been crying about
Castro's for fucking 30 fucking years. I'm just saying that's a pussy, dude
There's no such bigger pussy in the world that somebody like this guy
Little Marco like publicly insult you'd all this stuff and you fuck it. We're like Ted Cruz like Trump
Insulting his wife and Ted Cruz base. Oh, you have a blood feud against that man forever, but no not Ted Cruz
It's just the biggest fucking pussies there the biggest cry babies. They're so thin-skinned
like JD Vance like going after people with like
500 followers or something because they said something you know what I mean like yeah, they cannot I
think genuinely
if you look at the long secular trend of this like they
genuinely are working towards a position where they are trying to do away with
due process entirely or maybe just for certain groups of people, white Americans and Zionist, Israelis, that's about it.
And I mean, I don't know man, it's, I just like, what really gives me pause and why I'm
not very hopeful about the Bernie AOC thing is that, that even at the end of the day is
still defensive.
Like, you know what I'm saying?
Like that's trying to stick your finger
in the hole in the diet.
You have to approach it from a new framework entirely.
Get on the attack.
Yeah, I think that you basically have to,
honestly, you probably have to say like look
We need a new Constitution
We basically need a new national identity. Yeah
Genuinely, cuz what else is what these people are cuz that's what they're doing. Yeah, they're not saying it
They're saying we love the Constitution Constitutionalist. Meanwhile, just fucking putting it through the paper shredder
Well literally in that and I think that they even know there's a contradiction there and they love that like I think all fascists
Revel in that contradiction they revel in contradiction. It's like a kind of almost
Psychosexual thing for them, you know what I mean?
Like they like the fact that they can trigger so many libs with their like being like we'd love the Constitution
But we're gonna imprison you for free speech. We're gonna do a due process
You know what I mean? Like they they like that
that they can do that and that's what I'm saying like they've been larping as
Nazis for so long like they're actually just going to literally become... The pose is
taking hold. Yeah. Did you see the thing from RFK yesterday saying that thing about like...
Autistic people will never pay taxes was the first thing I was about. Yeah, autistic people will
never know love, they'll never write a poem all this stuff
It's like they are going to just land on like the t4 program eventually. It's like well
We just need to just euthanize all this that's where this is trending
Yeah, I mean that's I mean I hate to I hate to tweet stuff like that because it sounds alarmist and hyperbolic
But at the same time like look at what they're saying listen to what they're saying and like in and actually play out game out the
implications of what they're saying, it's
it's
very very very dark and I don't know if Americans have even
It seems like the left has kind of like started to finally understand the implications of where this is going and how it has to end
But I don't think that Americans, the vast majority of Americans have.
Are they even seeing this stuff about like ice agents
busting in people's windows with sledgehammers?
I don't think so, like is that stuff just like relegated
to like air echo chambers or is that like getting out
to people like you know all over the place?
I don't know, I wonder.
That's a good question.
I don't think people seem to like,
yeah, again, it's hard to suss out
what the temperature is in terms of the gravity
of the situation for most people.
I don't know that if I just talked to my
normie friends, they would be up on some of that stuff.
But the other part of it is like,
and this is the liberal impulses that like,
well, institutions will intervene somehow.
And it's like, Columbia's like basically
just given ice-carp blonsters.
Well, yeah.
And that's, you know, Tony Northeastern Ivy League school.
I think the thing is.
What the fuck's, you know, Mercer University
in Macon, Georgia gonna do?
You know what I mean?
Well, you can see this in how they're going after Harvard.
You know, Harvard is trying to actually take a stance against them.
But the thing is...
Yeah, like, here we can make some...
Create some distance between us and those Colombians.
I mean, if you look at what they're actually doing,
the Achilles heel of all these institutions
is still the accusation of antisemitism.
So Harvard is still trying to purge Palestinian activism.
They're still trying to,
while they're trying to like thread this needle.
What have we said about liberals?
They try to thread every needle.
And you're saying how like they can't maintain it anymore
Did you see that thing from biden's?
Anti-semitism envoy how she she was like
Maybe the trump people she was but she basically said I support what they're doing, but they should at least have due process
I support deporting palestinian
Students and activists, but they should at least have due process
What so I?
No, no, no what they're doing is good
They think they can thread every needle yeah, and I think that is that is a ridiculous position to contort yourself into like no
I still think they need to leave the country, but we need to have some like pomp and circumstance around that yeah
They some decorum around that.
They, and I honestly, I think the Harvard thing
is a good example of that.
Like their Achilles heel will always be,
like I said, the charge of antisemitism,
because this country is-
Still paying for the crimes of cotton mad there,
the boys.
This country will literally rip itself apart,
and we are going to see,
this is why I don't have a whole lot of hope right now,
because the vast majority of this country
has to come to the realization that Zionism
is a poison and an evil.
And that is a hard sell.
We're far afield of that.
Far, far, even though a lot of Americans,
statistically, are upset with Israel.
Like I think that isn't the poll number like over 50%?
Like over half of Americans that are polled anyways
do find Israel to be a grotesque reprehensible society.
But the institutions though,
it's like trying to pass the largest glassy shit you've ever taken.
It's not gonna come out well. It's like causing bad convulsions and violence.
We're gonna die on the toilet Elvis style.
Trying to pass the shit of Zionism.
Constipated and having a heart attack trying to squeeze one out.
That's what it is. We can't get it out of our system like we had we
re-metabolize the Nazi impulse through Zionism
We were like, oh we can't get rid of nazism entirely. Let's let's keep a part of it. Yeah, and now it's
Now it's like morphed. There's some good elements there
Sort through it. Yeah
Now they've landed on the one kind of Nazism that is like very difficult to actually
Convince people is not to use it because it uses the cloak of it
Like dialectics man the negation of the negation. That's fucking crazy. Yeah, yeah
Did you say cloak clock should be at midnight.
Like we are at midnight.
I hate to break this to you.
The Doomsday clock thing,
they're just trying to get some more mileage out of that.
We're about 15 after, quarter after 12.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
We all died in 2020.
We actually all died in 2001,
even if you were born after it,
you were just born like
You're still born
He just born dead. I
Really?
Glass yeah, 24 years ago where you're right. We're after been to you
I'm not trying to like black pill anybody or like dissuade people from political action. I'm just I
Need we're just talking about the difficulties.
There's difficulties.
There's difficulties and I need to stress, however,
that the single most important change you can do
as an individual right now is to grasp spiritually,
physically, mentally, emotionally, in every way.
The notion that the only way out of this is revolutionary.
And I don't mean that in like an epic guillotine meme way. Revolutions can take all different forms.
Some has to fundamentally change.
I just mean a comprehensive wholesale upheaval of all the premises. And that's why I mean like the
only way to combat this is basically going to the American people and saying like we need a new constitution
we need an entirely new conception of national identity and an
institutional capacity yeah because
It's that's that's the rights
Offer and liberals are uniquely
Positioned to do that because they can they can start power mapping and they can show yeah pluses and deltas of like, okay
Let's workshop a new constitution. No ideas are bad ideas
But they're not going to is the thing the left has to do it because the liberals aren't going to
The liberals will go to their graves saying like no the way things are good
Fundamentals are strong. Yeah, and what they I think what a lot of times what they think is that they're just gonna be able to outlast Trump.
That's what I'm saying, they think they can outlast him.
Like it won't be long before we're,
what was the rallying cry of 2020, back to brunch.
Back to brunch.
Yeah, I think that's kind of how it's looked at
in some ways right now.
It's like, well, this is just, these are the dog years.
And then by the time
2028 rolls around we'll be back in the catbird seat you know. Maybe we can stave
it off with another round of like I said left populism Obama type shit through
like AOC or something but that's not gonna that is gonna be short-lived
because all of the economic trends
are trending towards detonation, right?
Like there was like a stat I saw the other day
that like 40 or 50% of homes, refinancing on homes
is done by boomers, 20% is millennials.
Boomers hold all the wealth.
There's not a transition or transmission of
wealth that you would expect right and and there's just I'm just saying like
shit like that like it's homeless people living longer like what is it just is it
just the stinginess of the boomers or no it's the it's the fact that if you get
wealth if you get these assets for cheap in the 70s and 80s like they did,
they appreciate over time,
but
because we- People are living a lot longer these days. Well, they are living longer, but you can you can buy new assets
leveraging that as collateral. So it's once you've got some money, once you've got assets,
you can get more assets.
It's kinda like us, like we didn't have an economic system,
we were birthed into it right as the fucking
entire economy collapsed in 2008.
Well also, we were born right smack dab,
five, you know, a couple years into the project
of easy credit. So a lot of people just, you know, a couple years into the project of Easy Credit. So a lot of people
just, you know, racked up massive debt and passed that off as like, there's probably
a lot of people who think they grew up middle class that actually probably grew up pretty
poor. You know what I mean?
Yeah, we don't, and that era is over. The era of Easy Credit is done. I mean, I don't know, I saw Trump today is like, we need to get
Powell out of there so they can lower interest rates. And because Powell gave this speech yesterday
saying like, the tariffs are gonna fuck everything up. But I think his term isn't over until like into like November so I mean I don't know how that's your own pal your own
pal yeah I gotta get pal out of there I thought I was thinking we did get pal
out of there pal P a column colon colon pal yeah, I don't know, man. I, um.
The Trump probably thought we were talking
about Colin Powell too.
Right.
We gotta get Colin Powell out of there.
He lied to the American people.
It sucks that this falls along like generational lines,
but that's just kind of the hand we were dealt, though.
Like millennials and Zoomers don't have access
to the same credit and wealth
and capital that boomers did. And you know, while on the one hand the stock market is
not good for the boomers for O.N.K.'s, like their houses are still great. Whereas we don't
even have that. We don't even fucking have homes.
We really truly have no hope, no cash, no jobs.
We got no hope, no cash, no jobs.
I mean that's.
Used to we had hope, cash, and jobs.
And now we have no hope, no cash, and no jobs.
Yeah.
We're at an hour.
What do you feel like?
Do you wanna end on this note or should we do a little bit of ethicist?
Let's hit us with a little bit of ethicist. Let's do a little palate cleanser. Okay the ethicist
Here we go man the ethicist is it wrong to remove a card from Monopoly
Is it wrong to remove a card from Monopoly?
My grandchildren love playing Monopoly. The board game has become a great way
for me to interact with them,
and also a great way for them to see capitalism
in all its imperfect glory.
God damn it.
Did I take my coffee into the, motherfucker.
The problem, one of the cards a player may draw when landing on community chest is bank
Error in your favor collect $200 right when we first started playing the game together
I removed that card from the set I did so because it taught the wrong lesson the proper thing to do when there's a bank
Error in your favor is to report it in return the money
Just like the banks do
My grandchildren have discovered the deletion and believe I am silly and old-fashioned after all it's just a game They say I stand by my belief that the card should not be in the game
We learn all kinds of lessons from gameplay and ethical decision-making should not be dismissed so easily
How tightly should play reinforce ethical behavior is a game of place where you can and should live in a different ethical world?
What do you think?
Like shooter games for example when you get to shoot up an entire school
Does that is that bad or good, Tom?
You know, I think it's good to teach kids
the value of honesty.
I don't know that I would pick, you know,
the bank as the appropriate sort of, you know,
the arena for teaching that lesson teaching that lesson yeah yeah
yeah like the things with the reason everybody's a goddamn liar is the stuff
like this of George Washington the cherry tree we can't tell the damn
truth in this country I agree I like if we were if you really want to teach kids
about honesty we got a dispense with all the national myths
America's a you know, I mean I hate to sound like you know radlib here
But like we just gotta start telling truth about American assaults shibboleths
Well, I mean, I don't think it's radlib to say that America doesn't honor its deals that America is dishonorable
We're cheats. We're thieves. We have no honor.
A pirate nation. If there was a god and we were to go in front of him he would say you are
dishonorable. You have dishonored me. About as bad as you can do. Yeah. Also one of the things that...
I just think about like there's story after story bounds of like banks fucking people out of money with all these bullshit fees
Yeah, like and all this different different things. They were like no no no no if there's a bank here in your favor
You need to return the money
Yeah, because they would definitely would they definitely would do that, right?
did the
One of the moral premises of this country,
I've been working through this in therapy,
is fuck everybody else, get your bag,
everybody's out to hurt you, compassion makes you weak.
That's basically what JD Vance and all of them say,
that compassion and morality and empathy
make you a weak person.
The fact, that is an American value. Yeah, that's a real American value
It's an American story
The truth of the matter is that compassion actually does not make you weak it is a strength
But they won't tell you that they won't tell you that it's not you should not be compassionate towards banks though. We're healthcare
CEOs
Anybody to those industries? No
The ethicist says I wonder whether your moral focus here is a tad narrow we're talking about a board game called my lot no
not
Good I will say the ethics I that one. Yeah, the whole game is
In exploitative. I mean it encourages exploitative practice
Well, we pointed this out before on the show
But like even the name of our economic system capitalism suggests that somebody has to lose
You know as in capitalizing on somebody's weakness exactly
to lose you know as in capitalizing on somebody's weakness exactly that is true that in that that gets it like kind of what the ethicist is like a clearinghouse
for liberal anxieties which is that like the entire game of that monopoly would be
unethical the whole thing is
But like I don't think we should ban monopoly though I do think we should ban games where you can shoot up schools like I as a belief that I have I don't think
Yeah, I don't think you should be able to play games like that. Okay
Thanks. Oh
Obviously, I don't think that simulating those kind of acts is curbing the mass shootings
Clearly, I don't think that that's I don't know if it's causing it
But I definitely think it's feeding into the general ambient schizophrenia and psychosis that everybody is experiencing
Anyways my girlfriend okay, here's here is the so we've got that one the ethicist
My girlfriend keeps looking through my phone. Should we break up?
I'm a 60 year old man
Definitely was expecting that to be 22 year old a dating 21 year old F
I'm a 60 year old man who has been divorced for eight years now since my divorce
I have not remarried and have ended two significant relationships because of behavioral and substance use issues currently
I'm in a relationship of 16 months with a recently separated woman
We don't live together, but we spend most of our time together functioning like a married couple. I'm employed in a higher paying job
and cover most of our expenses. When things are good, the relationship is deeply fulfilling
and our romantic life is exceptional. Over the past year, however, we've had recurring
disputes about device privacy. The first incident involved my girlfriend secretly accessing
my password protected phone and finding a topless photo of an ex-girlfriend and an unanswered
email I had sent to that ex to retrieve personal items.
The topless photo was among my 3,000 unorganized photos.
I forgot to delete it.
My girlfriend confronted me weeks later, suspecting I was still involved with my ex.
I assured her I was not and deleted the photo and other past mementos, but we could not
agree on device privacy boundaries.
Since then, she has viewed my devices
at least two more times.
Once she misinterpreted a text
from a long time platonic friend
as evidence of infidelity.
Another time she saw me delete a message
from a different female friend
whose health issues were most likely the topic
though I couldn't recall weeks later when she raised it.
And again.
Oh, you know.
And again.
I can remember what we talked about.
Maybe her, my Alja. You know and again, I could remember I couldn't remember what we talked about maybe
Maybe her
My elder now I use my devices in another room for private communication, which she sees a secretive. That's not good I respect her privacy and don't snoop on her devices and though I'm open to couples counseling
I believe my girlfriend's mistrust issues need individual attention
First is there an ethically?
Accept accepted standard for accessing a partner's devices with or without permission
If a partner demands to see a device is the other partner ethically required to comply? I think there's a
Thank you can go ahead and safely roll out. There's no ethical ethical
Go ahead to,
without permission.
So you're saying, yes, it's unethical to do it
without permission, is what you're saying.
Yes, yes.
I agree.
I do agree.
That to me hints that there's a larger mistrust there.
It probably is not, and even asking permission
is not a good prognosticator of the relationship.
Right, it just means that like, something is amiss.
One person perceives a lack of equitable care and attention
or trust or whatever.
And so, I mean, it is also bad
to have that stuff, like to be texting an ex or whatever
if it's not okay with your partner, right?
Like that's bad.
But like any kind of breach of privacy I think is like,
is a sign of-
Is also a bridge too far.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think there's a healthy amount of jealousy,
you know, that you can expect that everybody
deals with from time to time.
It can be hot.
When it goes to the point of
you're engaging in insane behaviors,
and I would say this as a man that has, you know,
wrestled with jealousy from time to time,
you're just,
you end up feeling foolish in the long run.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Even like, it doesn't matter if there's,
if I can, 20 motherfuckers in that phone
on the other side of it, you know what I mean?
You're still gonna feel, you're gonna feel bad either way.
Right, because you're not actually looking
for proof of fidelity, like that would,
or infidelity, like,
or you are, but like, the big fear is that
they are hiding something from you,
and ergo, you can never actually find
what you're looking for, right?
Like, you'll always be.
You're never gonna be sated.
You're never gonna be sated, exactly.
You're always going to be looking for the thing,
or the smoking gun, or whatever, when there is a lesson in a Coen Brothers movie a serious man about this is
Sometimes you just got to embrace the mystery
Now that's
Easier said than done sometimes when other things are not in order in the relationship
There's a lack of trust like whatever whatever mm-hmm
Get some of those things in place
and maybe that thing won't be such a big thing in your mind.
What was the ethicist say?
The ethicist just said,
consider your girlfriend's conduct may be controlling,
not just fearful.
Yeah, I agree, it's controlling.
Couples therapists could help the two of you figure out
whether this relationship can be rescued
I'm certainly in a position to weigh in on its prospects
Still the obstacles are obvious. Yeah, I agree with you. That's just here. It's time to end it or I
Mean is or just tell her like look it's
If you don't trust me you're never going to so let's just end
this now and move on that's basically what I would tell her all right our
gardener wants to avoid taxes should we pay him in cash throughout our 55 years
of marriage my husband and I have never once cheated on our taxes now the man
who mows and trims our lawn
has asked us to pay him in cash instead of by check.
We have little doubt as to why he has made this request.
My husband feels very uncomfortable with this,
but I disagree.
This man is a landscape service of one
and most likely only makes him modest income.
It makes me angry to see the number
of obscenely rich Americans continue to rise
while most people like him work hard and long and
Likely have to pay for their own health insurance if he wants to nick a bit off the IRS's take it may be illegal
But I don't consider it immoral. What is the right thing to do in this?
I
Mean obviously the answer is not even remotely like the answer so far
I mean the question is so far outside of my realm of what I consider ethical and unethical. It's like
How do I put it this question never would have even occurred to me
Does it make sense like I would have paid him and can't pay the man and can't pay the man
Hey, what's the pay? Yeah. Yeah
It's funny though, but like I've seen lawyers with cash like I see a lawyer one time with a sign on the door that said
50% discount if you pay in cash
Nobody bad enough that
But the working man has to get his motives and ran under a microscope
Okay, this is nerd shit
Um, okay, this is nerd shit. For someone like your landscaper, underreporting can create long-term costs.
Social Security calculates retirement benefits based on your highest 35 years of reported earnings,
and while lower earners typically receive a higher replacement rate of their income, unreported ages still reduce total benefits.
Dude, no one cares. There's not gonna be Social Security in fucking 20, years They're about to privatize that or the do away with that just like everything else
did you see the thing where like Elon made it to where
You can now only get updates on your social security through Twitter through X whatever the fire
Like this whole thing is cooked dog. Yeah, it's cooked
It's gonna be kind of funny to see Twitter become kind of what Facebook became after it got away from college campuses
I just go to see a bunch of geriatrics on there. Just like uh-huh
Where's my heck my husband's Twitter?
Remember that act by your wife everyone that was happening, uh-huh
Let's see.
Can male authors publish books under female names?
What do you think about that?
I recently heard some sharp comments from friends about male authors publishing books
under female names.
The pseudonyms are sometimes gender neutral, but in genres dominated by women, readers
assume that these writers are women too.
I know there are historical examples of the inverse,
female writers using male names or gender neutral names
that are assumed to be male.
But are these equivalent?
Whatever difficulty male authors may face
in majority female literary genres today
cannot compare to women's historical struggle
to live a public life.
Is it unethical for these male authors
to present themselves this way Wow, I mean what do you say Tom you gotta call it both ways I say if it is all right for
What's your face to go by George?
It's all right for is it George. Yeah, George. Yeah. Yeah, man. It's all right. I say for
Samuel Langhorn Clemens to go by Mark Twain
Marsha Twain Marcia Twain Marcia Twain interesting
you know who are the male authors writing under female names no I don't
he cites Lawrence Block who churned out lesbian pulps in the 50s and 60s under the names Jill Emerson and Leslie Evans but is the basic narrative here women evade men
invade a little pat it's certainly true that in recent years some men writing
mainstream trade fiction have obscured their genre genre gender in an effort to
help their chances when Todd Ritter found his fiction fizzling he had to
reboot his career and choose chose to use a gender-neutral pseudonym Riley
Sager um I don't see any concrete examples you look you want my just
knee-jerk reaction I think it's fine. Who cares who gives a fuck?
There are more pressing issues people get set to Salvadorian death camps and you're worried about somebody writing under a pen name
I don't I don't care. These are let me tell you something if you're right into that. These are not real problems
These are not real problem. No, this does not fucking matter
They may write in about the erosion of due process or anything consequence I've learned my sister's therapist is also a spiritual medium help it's fine probably fine why does it
matter hey listen you got listen the situation we're in therapists are so have been so thoroughly proletarianized that they have to take up a side game
Yeah, yeah, it's a medium. That's exactly right then
As a white man, can I date women of color to advance my anti-racism? Did we cover that one already?
We covered that one already, baby
I think we covered that one already maybe
Jesus Christ house is real. Oh
My good Dance my anti-racism
Some of these I know we've talked about this before these are recycled should I tell my son that his best friend is stealing
From him didn't we do one?
Like that. I wonder if like there Didn't we do one that was like that?
I wonder if there's some of these queries that are like,
the basic morality tale at the core of them
that they want advice on is the same,
but should I tell my brother
that his best friend's stealing from him
could just as easily be transposed to,
should I tell my best friend
his wife's cheating on her?
Or, you know, or?
It's eight human stories.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's just retelling the same thing over and over again.
Like, my teenage son has a girlfriend,
who her parents need to know.
So much of the ethicist comes down to,
like, when is it okay to snitch?
Snitch or not, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That is hilarious. I mean, okay, I will grant that, yeah, yeah, yeah. That is hilarious.
I mean, okay, I will grant that like,
yeah, there are some things, like here's one, for example,
that I do think is an ethical thing
that you would want to maybe interrogate snitching.
For example, my ex was abusive,
should I warn his new girlfriend?
That's a snitching situation
where you need to interrogate the ethical thing. I think the point is is a
lot of the ethicist I would say a solid 75 to 80 percent is
is it okay to snitch and I
Don't even think that you would get that if you didn't have something like social media
You know what I'm saying?
Because social media creates this spectacle, this network where you're constantly having
to, like I've said before, be your own one-stop shop, policy, whatever, spokesperson, diplomat.
You're constantly having to make press releases and stuff.
You're constantly having to navigate these commodified, instrumentalized relationships.
I don't know, it's just, I don't think you would have this kind of ethicist thing a hundred years ago without social media.
Because snitching, your options for snitching have never been higher as they are now, is the thing.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
We're incentivized to do it.
You're incentivized.
Sometimes literally, I mean like,
now they're trying to deputize everybody
to like rat on their fucking.
Well, okay, I saw, there was a video I saw
when I was in the bathroom earlier,
where this woman was in a fight with a black woman
and she kept calling her the N-word and
People published her name where she works like her address and all this and it's like
Okay, she deserves an ass with it. I don't know if she deserves to have
her entire
Like to be fired and have her entire life like invaded by a bunch of strangers online
Yes Okay, does the punishment fit the crime if you say the n-word you should get your shit clocked, right?
You should get your you should get your fucking
Clock cleaned is that the right expression right?
but I don't think that you should be harassed and hounded down by like
100,000 strangers on the internet who now know where you were. You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, here's the thing about it is like with very few exceptions like
Maybe being like undercover ice or something like that
like
You know anytime you encounter internet do your thing. Yeah
Now that's it. Yeah, you're right. That is one example where it's fine.
Like that video of them smashing
that Guatemalan family's window with a sledgehammer.
Like, yes, internet do your thing for that person.
That is a morally vacuous person who needs to be.
Who needs a great justice.
Who needs a great justice, right,
because there is
Unfortunately, there's really no punishment that would fit that crime. Yeah, so
Internet do your best or do your worst
Interested Well, that's all I got for the other sister. Okay. How do you feel about all that? I feel great about it
All right good
I feel like my heart mind is clear now. Oh good
That's good
um
well
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