Trillbilly Worker's Party - Episode 389: Real Human Stories

Episode Date: April 17, 2025

This week we're discussing The Parliamentarian, the Doomsday Clock, Real Human Stories, and more Ethicist dilemmas Support us on Patreon: www.patreon.com/trillbillyworkersparty...

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Starting point is 00:00:00 I had, you know, nobody, it seems like nobody's having a good time, but I actually saw an instance of somebody having a good time this morning. I went to the Waffle House and as is per my tradition, I like to give them a little financial literacy on the touch tunes. So I play Money Talks ACDC, obviously Money for Nothing Dire Straits, Love for the Love of Money by the OJs That's how I start my day. Just thinking about my at a waffle house playing the music Yeah, yeah, the guy that was behind there like on the grill I
Starting point is 00:00:37 played I play our come together was playing first. I didn't cue that one up. Hmm. I'm not a fan of that It was play first. He goes hell. Yeah one up. I'm not a fan of that. It was play first. He goes, hell yeah, baby, that's a good one. The Rolling Stones, he told one of the waitresses. And I was just like, that's... You're right, dude. That's funny.
Starting point is 00:00:55 And then I played Dire Straits Money for nothing. He goes, hell yeah, baby, Eddie Money. And I thought to myself, Oh, for two. And then the piece, they resistance money or money talks. ACD comes on. He goes, he looks at that waitress. He goes and starts playing the guitar. He goes Metallica.
Starting point is 00:01:21 You had over three. Just totally missed who each song was by just pulling up Yeah Airball not even close. I started I started a control group See if he was doing a bit and I was gonna play take me home tonight by Eddie money and if he would have said dire straights then I knew he was just Playing me for a fool, you know It's funny the
Starting point is 00:01:45 concept that Eddie money would write a song called money for nothing and chicks for free you know what's his other songs Eddie money yeah did he have two tickets to paradise right right? Yeah Something's kind of funny about Eddie money He used to be a cop No, yeah, he started he said he didn't he didn't like being a cop so he quit to pursue a career music He had take me home tonight. Yeah That's what I was gonna go with. That's his best son Damn I'm trying to think of songs about money
Starting point is 00:02:27 Wasn't there a Pink Floyd song called money? Yeah that'd be a good one to add to the list. I gotta shake it up. He's like playing Dire Straits. Hell yeah man, Emerson, Lake and Palmer. It's just like going through the most arcade. When he started playing the guitar and like mouthing the words to that waitress and gone Metallica I lost I mean I lost it. I was like No way Isn't there like a dream song called love versus money Planet money the podcast planet money comes on
Starting point is 00:03:05 He's like hell yeah, Ezra Klein Jim Kramer Planet money with Jim Kramer. Hell yeah Just lives in a parallel universe where everything is actually something parallel universe where everything is actually something else. Yeah, metallic. He hit me with that. He'd hurt with that when I was like, oh my god, this guy's a legend. Anyway, that's how my morning got started. Yeah, I'm distressed. Yeah, yeah, it's bad times. Yeah, I don't know how to live in authoritarian America. I just, I don't know what you can say.
Starting point is 00:03:48 I mean, granted, I've said all the things that can get you arrested. So let's just get this out of the way, all right? I've had many people call me and contact me and say, Terrence, you're probably marked, you're on a list, you're probably going away for a long time. And I say, you think and then and then it's done I'm like, oh I am naive. I
Starting point is 00:04:09 Am like all of us walking into a buzzsaw. So let's just get this out of the way. I'm marked for I'm giving you the Adam Silver maybe instead better learn Chinese, but better learn Spanish buddy. Yeah 48 hours you'll be there there for Alpians El Salvador I Don't really know what you can and can't say but it's you are you were right the other day when you said that we're Probably gonna start seeing some wild stuff like Chuck Schumer fleeing the country in the dead of night You know what I mean? We start seeing that if we like, you know
Starting point is 00:04:43 I saw just before we got on here that Cory Booker's organizing a You know flotilla to El Salvador If he gets murked down there or something like it's not crazy like that happens, you know Yeah, he won't the thing is it's it's kind of like Something I've struggled with since this all began is the fact that they don't see any part of the left, whether liberal or far left or anything, as a threat. So nothing's gonna happen to Cory Booker. Nothing's gonna happen to, was that guy's name Chris Van Hollen who went down there?
Starting point is 00:05:21 Nothing's gonna happen to any of the candidates who run on the 2028 ticket. They're not gonna like hit Bernie with the heart attack gun like they did Hugo Chavez or like the cancer gun. Yeah They don't see Bernie done heavy oil. They don't see any of it as a threat So they're not why would they waste their time? Like they've won. I hate to Start out and they do more note, but this is the apotheosis This is the culmination of 40 years and the way you know this man is it has a narrative resonance We've talked we talked about The fact that you don't have Trump if you don't have Reagan right like this
Starting point is 00:06:00 Well, he doesn't have his fortune without right now the switch to Like the sweater he doesn't have his fortune without right now the switch to financialization Is what enabled Donald Trump to rise because it? It reallocated capital from production to finance which gave rise to real estate capital So you don't get Trump without Reagan But you also don't get JD Vance without Reagan. Because that also meant that municipalities were stretched thin and had to double down on policing over the last 40 years. And they've just run roughshod over communities.
Starting point is 00:06:35 And like we said on the Patreon a few days ago, you don't get the opioid epidemic without this massive infusion of policing, heavily militarized communities, right? Which gives rise to JD Vance. You don't get JD Vance without the opioid epidemic. It's this whole hook. Yeah, it's the economic and cultural pillars of MAGA.
Starting point is 00:06:58 And that's what I mean, like that's how you know they've won. They've completed the circuit. At no point were liberals ever, ever. I mean, the liberals tried to stave it off for a little while. They tried to buy themselves some time with Clinton, right? Because they tried to basically play on their terms, on Reagan's terms.
Starting point is 00:07:15 Even Clinton, yeah, even Clinton had to say, well, we're not like those squishy Democrats of yore. Yeah. You know, we're gonna three-strikes you out. Yeah. And then rise of the carceral state is well-t tried in territory. So basically Clinton was just he was a placeholder. Yeah, you know for a while didn't meaningfully
Starting point is 00:07:34 Do anything that any Republican wouldn't do you know You look at it. Yeah, I think that that's how they tried to because the thing is that Reagan and the Republican Revolution That started in 1980, give or take, they basically figured out that you could corner the Democrats on this stuff. You know what's really bleak right now? Democrats in Congress right now basically have to approve the tax cuts that are massive handouts to billionaires or Push the cunt if they don't push the country closer to recession. That's the bind brother Yeah, that's the bind that Republicans have had liberals Democrats in since the 80s. They're at there's no at no point like I
Starting point is 00:08:18 Don't know. I'm not I'm not trying to say like It's over we lost But we did we didn't use the war they took home the trophy this year, but there's always next year They are the defending champions that I mean it's their world always the next 40 years, right, right Yeah, yeah next season which in American life is I I'm just saying that whatever rises to challenge this has to be entirely new. Because in pretty much every way, form, or fashion. Can you imagine Rahm Emanuel actually running for president?
Starting point is 00:08:58 I can't even. Like what? I can't even imagine AOC running for president. And you know why? Because it's all predicated on pleading with them to give us something Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Like please can we please have our public sector unions? Can we please have our you know public sector in general like? You know, it's it's just like it's a resounding no
Starting point is 00:09:20 Can we please have health care? It's resounding. No. Yeah, like whatever comes has to be Entirely new and confrontational. Yeah, and can't be hat in hand. Yeah, we might be able to leverage Trump's horniness for cloudy a shine bomb. That's true useful That is in a situation where the Mexicans invade us like what's roughly there's I've said I've said that like the world if it really wants to push back against Trump should elect hot babes You got to hot babe ism is on the rise around me. Yeah, that's the only way like G Like can't you can't he can't be swayed by carnal no prospect of carnal pleasure. No, that's a serious man No, but you know
Starting point is 00:10:04 No prospect of carnal pleasure. No, that's a serious man. No, but you know Whoever follows you should be a hot babe because Trump would fold in a minute. That's true be hitting himself He'd be giving ourselves like 200 percent tariffs. Yeah Horny wolf eyes popping out. Yeah. Yeah, there's no question about that Have you checked out where the doomsday clock is these days? Back in January it was 57 seconds away from doomsday. We're pretty close to midnight. Yeah. Where do you think we think we are now? Just look at it, take a peek. You got your phone? I don't know where my phone is. I'm not carrying it anymore, which will appear to the authorities of suspicious behavior. I'm sure
Starting point is 00:10:52 Let's see what we got here. Where's the doomsday clock sit here at 11 58. I was thinking of um A jason statham movie called the parliamentarian He's like, oh We're going to stop these bills Boy Yeah, we need jason statham to do one last job. He's the parliamentarian. And he's gotta stop every bill that comes. So like the first movie is the Democrats
Starting point is 00:11:12 are in control of Congress. And they wanna pass like a child income tax credit on like 0.2% of your child, like one of his arms. You get a tax credit on your child's arm Yeah, if he's Puerto Rican and lives in a neighborhood where the median income is $30,000 Yeah number that doesn't even make sense 30 hundred thousand. Yeah, and he's like we're gonna stop his bill
Starting point is 00:11:43 We're gonna stop his bill. We're gonna stop it Doesn't do any stunts or anything in there just paperwork this role Paperwork and him muttering under his breath something has to be done. Yeah And only a way he can't Where are we at in the dude's thing? we're 89 seconds to midnight? So we're What I thought we were like? Oh, that means we're at like 11 58 20 seconds or something. Yeah. Yeah. Whoa, that's pretty close. That is close
Starting point is 00:12:19 But what does that mean though? What is the doomsday isn't it like nuclear? Armageddon. Um, let's see What's it what's what does it actually all mean? I don't like that The clock is a metaphor for estimating humanity's proximity to catastrophe In 2023 the bulletin set the clock at 90 seconds to midnight, the closest to disaster it has ever been, citing the war in Ukraine, the covid-19 pandemic and cyber enabled disinformation.
Starting point is 00:12:55 In 2024, the time was held at seconds to midnight. They counted in cyber and its origins back to the Manhattan project. And the scientists. Ah, okay. So it got to 90 seconds to midnight in 2020. And what was it in like, so they started with the Manhattan Project, so like in 1950 they were like, we got 30 minutes to midnight, it's hard.
Starting point is 00:13:16 It's hard, let's, one more roll in the hay. Hope to warn the world about the dangers of their creation. The clock was introduced in 1947, and originally set at seven minutes to midnight. on the high. On my ass. Red on reducing the threats posed by on my ass reducing the threats posed by my ass use of biological science and other disruptive technologies My ass poses a threat if you're What would that be would your ass qualify under disruptive technologies? or
Starting point is 00:14:03 biological warfare disruptive technologies or biological warfare disruptive technologies we've already stopped this bill we gotta stop this bill this isn't going to the high this isn't going any further than my desk it's gonna filibuster the image right if we don't the Chinese are gonna rule. The Chinese. But then the second movie, the sequel, the Republicans are in charge of Congress. And they're like.
Starting point is 00:14:32 They bring Statham back as the parliamentarian. Yeah, but Statham is still the parliamentarian. So they're like, we're gonna pass a bill where we murder everybody. Everybody's gonna die because we're racist and even if you're white, we're still gonna kill you but we might Keep your DNA around to put you in biological wound to chemical wounds Wounds so that we confuse your brain with AI and then Jesus is gonna come back and then jayson says it's like
Starting point is 00:15:03 We've got to stop this one Last movie I was worried about the Chinese now That's me. That's me own We might need the Chinese for this one Brings the Chinese in for that one. Yeah Yeah, he pulls his mask off it's just president Man Well hell and then at the end of that one there is a revolt a popular revolt and it sweeps in a number of
Starting point is 00:15:45 sweeps in a number of lefties and libertarians into office. Okay, there was the blue wave and red wave hit at the same time. The house is split right down the middle. Right down the middle, right. He's like, that's how governance should be. I've got nothing to do now. There's no, oh, it's dead even now. Yeah, the parliamentarian is just but it's like a mix with that movie with Jason stay then where he has to like
Starting point is 00:16:11 Constantly have his adrenaline jacked or like oh art explode like it's like the crank crank or charge or something Yes, it like has have sex Nothing that's the conceit to like the parliamentarian also has a thing where his he has to keep his adrenaline He has to keep it down. It was generally gets too high That's what his heart is. They bring it up. I referenced that to a friend of mine He's dealing with some health issues this week. He's got a had to wear like one of those Defibrillators or something. Oh, I was like so you're like Jason Statham and crank. I think I called it charge though Maybe not the
Starting point is 00:16:52 Best thing to say somebody's don't something serious, but you gotta bring a little levity and you have to bring a little levity and everything See, that's the thing you were talking about the human, common human stories. Isn't that a common human story? There's like five stories. You said there's five stories. Yeah, here's what I've got. What are the five stories? Here's what I've got. Is one of them, man gets outfitted with technology that... Because this was also kind of the premise of speed, but it was a bus, not a man, but...
Starting point is 00:17:21 I got five... I'm sure there's more people can feel free to add here Number one is you killed my father Okay Number one on the five human stories that were we've been telling since the beginning of time you killed my father to Friend with hot chick love interest dies in war so his hot guy friend doesn't have to nobly forego getting with said hot chick I think that was the plot premise of the movie Pearl Harbor. Do you remember that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:17:47 With, was it Ben Affleck and? I can't remember who's in Ben, who's in Pearl Harbor. The guy that was in that recent. Tom Sizemore? No. No, it was Tom, Tom Sizemore. Keep it Gooding Jr. was in it, but. I always get Pearl Harbor and Black Hawk now mixed up.
Starting point is 00:18:03 Who's the dreaming guy that was in that M. Night Shyamalan movie, Trap? Oh, Hartnett. Yeah, he was in. Wasn't he in Pearl Harbor and Black Hawk Down mixed up. Who's the dreaming guy that was in that M Night Shyamalan movie Trap? Oh Hartnett. Wasn't he in Pearl Harbor? Either that or Black Hawk Down One of the two okay I know they're from two very different periods in history right Black Hawk Down takes place in Somalia in the 80s 90s I think 90s. Yeah, and then Pearl Harbor well, you know the 1890s of course the 1790s well okay yeah premise story number two okay hot guy gets killed in a war so his hot chick girlfriend can so friend. Now his buddy doesn't have to nobly forego her
Starting point is 00:18:47 because they were together or whatever. Now he can get with her. He can get with her because it's fair game. In fact, he might be upholding his biblical duty. You're right, that is an ancient story that's been. Three is, did you hear that? Did you hear that? You go investigate strange noise, you know? Yeah, it's more horror genre. Yeah, okay
Starting point is 00:19:09 Number four is a funny thing happened on the way to the market. Okay, you witnessed a murder Yeah, I innocently and now you're the subject of a mob hit exactly didn't even sign up you see a drug deal gone wrong You know in and so now you're a person of interest Yeah, and five is the classic hero heroines journey. This could be, Oh, the Odyssey, the Odyssey, Jack and the Beanstalk, which I guess is more of a thievery. There is another, the revenge of Maddick, which I know is a kind of a genre informally in movies, but the what the, I guess that would be a filed under you killed my father. No. Mm-hmm
Starting point is 00:19:51 That would be I think I brought oh I brought one up to you the other day Provincial upstart moves to the city Fish out of water fish out of water Yeah, let's out of water there you have that that's it add that to the storage fish out of water. Fish out of water. Fish out of water, there you go. Yeah, let me add that to human stories. Add that to the story. Fish out of water. That's a real human story. That's a human story.
Starting point is 00:20:10 Real human stories. Fish out of water. Out of water, yeah. What about? We had to update the title from five human stories to six, maybe more stories to six maybe more Maybe more What about the story of
Starting point is 00:20:32 bluebeard Bluebeard the pirate no You're thinking of blackbeard and I think bluebeard is like a old fairy tale Let me let me find it real quick. It's got a weird premise. The tale tells the story of a wealthy man in the habit of murdering his wives in the attempts of the present one to avoid the fate of her predecessors. So sort of like a human centipede for... It's sort of like the story of Henry VIII and Anne Boleyn. Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:21:08 So he has a habit of murdering his wives. Can't quit playing the scratch-offs, but for killing your spouse. The verb bluebearding has even appeared as a way to describe the crime of either killing a series of women or seducing and abandoning a series of women. Oh, bluebearding. okay, that's not the same
Starting point is 00:21:28 Seducing and abandoning a series of women is not the same as killing them. I guess who's bluebeard though That seems like a Jezebel type article they were like it's really pretty much the same when a man Seduces and abandons a woman. It's pretty much the same as when he seduces and kills them called bluebearding in both examples like yeah like this nuance yeah let's just keep it in perspective okay I'm not I'm not sure I'm ready to add bluebeard to the human stores thing but I have to bring it up for the council and see where they land on that oh they get the human story as opposed to an american story okay okay that's a real american story okay that's a good distinction basically you're saying human stories that speak to the human condition not just some cultural pathology or national folk
Starting point is 00:22:26 Legend wacko jacko would be an American story You killed my father would be a human story, okay, that's a good distinction. All right well, then let's look at this because I thought that um, I Thought I had another one here. But maybe I don't. What about like, let's look at the sports genre. David versus Goliath. David versus Goliath.
Starting point is 00:22:59 That's a human story. That is a human story. David versus Goliath. Seven. That's maybe the most inspiring one a human story David versus Goliath That's maybe the most inspiring one well, what about Joe, but what would you consider that? Oh, that's uh What is that? What does that fall in? Hmm Bad time endurance endurance Oh Bad times. Endurance. Oh, good times, bad times don't last, but bad guys do. But bad
Starting point is 00:23:31 guys. Was it the NWO who used to say that? Scott Hall? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. David That's number seven seven eight Those that endure endurance enduring enduring Undo hardship. Mm-hmm That's a human story enduring undo art the gods hate me the gods hate me the gods are vengeful the gods are vengeful Oh you gods the god parentheses s uh-huh The gods are vengeful. The gods are vengeful, oh you gods. The god, parentheses S. I'm a pagan now, I believe in gods. But not in like a Wiccan way. Is Wiccan pagan or is it satanic? I think it's pagan.
Starting point is 00:24:20 Can we have a cool paganism? They did away with that a long time ago About time the druids went away. Shit somebody showed up somebody showed up to the stone hinge is like chatting You know, they're just like y'all ever noticed. This is a little gay. Mm-hmm. And then they're like This is our been our religion for a long time You know like what it is he's like, nah man, it's a bunch of us out here dancing around in robes. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:24:53 It cast doubt, and then that's when the slow devolution of paganism happened. That's so true. That's really when it started. Culminating in, you know, That's really when it started. Culminating in, you know, we will say not super socially mobile of us in high school getting picked on for the same,
Starting point is 00:25:13 for harboring the same beliefs. Yeah, the same beliefs as pagans? I didn't. You never celebrated Sam Hain? No, I never did that. I don't even know what that is. You ever listen to Sam Hayne? I don't know. Good man. Are they hell are they pagan? That's I think it's Glenn Danzig side gig dude pre-workout is the weirdest shit ever Well, you probably need to start using some for this honestly. Yeah. The thing is is it has so much goddamn Caffeine in it. Yeah, it seems like very unhealthy
Starting point is 00:25:50 Yeah, that's maybe that's what you know They could have just probably saved a lot in props for that movie charge if they just kept giving state and coffee instead of Hooking his titties up to a car battery That's so true That's your right. You're right about that. It should just been like Boy, if I don't get me coffee and oh if I don't get me coffee, I can't stop this bill Stato comes to the halls of Congress wearing don't talk to me tough at my cafe And he's got his he's got the shirt cut out where his nipples are
Starting point is 00:26:36 And he's got to if I'll get me coffee there's only one other way I can stop this bill from pass There's only one other way to I can stop this bill from pass Juice me up juice juice juice me up you gotta juice me up man I'm trying to think I'm sorry. I'm I'm I am paying attention. I'm just trying to think of other stories I think we've we've got eight now. We're up to eight human stories. Okay, all right Means I gotta go change the title of this again eight human stories I'm trying to think about like What are some things where?
Starting point is 00:27:17 What are some stories where people? Do things I've probably fathered under the heroes slash heroines journey I Feel like I went down a rabbit hole of folktales recently. What was your favorite growing up a folktales? um Jack and the beanstalks pretty good. I always liked What was your thoughts about like Cinderella, what is that? What would that fall under?
Starting point is 00:27:55 That's kind of almost in the that's almost a fish out of water story, right? That's the little it's with elements of Friend with hot chick love interest dies and more so his hot guy friend doesn't have to know before go get him with that Said hot chick. That's a great genre. That is really been doesn't really roll off the tongue, but It's no why a Cinderella story kind of What was snow white? Snow in the seven doors. What did she what happens there? I don't know you guys get kissed by a prince or something lion king is you killed my father for sure. Yeah. Yeah
Starting point is 00:28:38 Yeah, that's hamlin. That's revenge of Maddie hamlin. That's the child's entry point to revenge of Maddie genre You're right. It's like it starts there every kid kill bill Every kid wants to get revenge for his father's death Even if his father hasn't been killed and is still alive and healthy. Yeah, this was lampooned with the line You killed my father prepared to die from from Princess Bri starring Wala Shahn. Oh right, I love that movie as a kid. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:10 I'm trying to think of other movies, other folktales that I liked, other than Speed, that was a folktale. Never tell you there was, there's like Appalachian equivalents for all the big stories. No. Like Cinderella, there's an Appalachian equivalent
Starting point is 00:29:23 called Ash Pet. Did you know that? No, I didn't know that yeah I was what's the is it a glass slipper is it like a wooden clog that may look it up now let me get out we're 80 or 89 seconds to midnight I don't know if I said that you got plenty of time then okay you have plenty of time to look up ash ash pet ash pet and I Ashpet. Ashpet. Not Ash Peterson. Ashpet in American Cinderella. Set in the rural south in the early years of World War II, Ashpet is a version of Cinderella, the world's most popular folktale. The title for Tom Davenport's film was borrowed from an Appalachian folklore collected by Richard Chase and published in his grandfather's tales. Ashpet derives from the German Aschemputel
Starting point is 00:30:08 which is the title of the Grimm Brothers version of the Cinderella tale. The term originally designated a lowly dirty kitchen maid who tends to the fireplace ashes. There is also an English version called Ashley Pelt. Ashley Pelt. I. Ashley Pelt. I don't like the dehumanizing language of Ash Pet and Ashley Pelt, and whatever the fuck Ash and Puddle is. Well, here's the thing about folktales, brother.
Starting point is 00:30:33 There's no author, so you can just change whatever you don't like and retell a story. I think I'm gonna bring Ash Pet into the 21st century. Yeah, make it woke. Yeah, we're gonna make her. What about the frog princess? Or the frog prince, I'm sorry. What's the deal with the frog prince?
Starting point is 00:30:51 Well, you know, like, if you get a, if the princess kisses the frog, he turns into a prince or something like that. Like a reversal? Yeah, does it make sense? Let's see. Like the frog's trying to avoid getting kissed by a woman so he doesn't turn into a prince
Starting point is 00:31:07 In the forest a selfish princess accidentally drops her golden ball into a well a frog offers to retrieve it in exchange for her friendship She agrees but goes back on her word after getting the ball back and runs to her castle Why she never won't be friends with a frog? I'm that's I can't understand that because Personally frogs are some of the coolest people to hang out with. I look chills out. Yeah, bring the Budweiser frog I love that shit, dude. They're just chillin the next day She's eating with her father when the frog knocks on the door and requests to be let in The king tells his daughter that she must keep her promise and she reluctantly obeys
Starting point is 00:31:44 The frog sits next to her and eats from her promise and she reluctantly obeys. The frog sits next to her and eats from her plate, then desires to sleep in the princess's bed. She is disgusted at the idea of sleeping with the frog, but her father angrily chastises her for loathing someone who helped her in a time of need. She picks up the frog and places him in a corner of the bedroom, but he hops up to her bed and demands to sleep as comfortably as the princess. That's pretty problematic, dude. I got... He's pressuring her into... in a corner of the bedroom, but he hops up to her bed and demands to sleep as comfortably as the princess. That's pretty problematic, dude. He's pressuring her into... And the king is abetting it.
Starting point is 00:32:11 Furious, she throws the frog against the wall, but as he falls to the floor, he is transformed into a handsome prince. He explains that he was cursed by a wicked witch and the spell could only be broken with the princess' help. The next day... I could have said the spell could only be broken by you princess' help. The next day. I could only, the spell could only be broken
Starting point is 00:32:25 by you abusing me. You committing animal abuse. The next day, the two go to the princess kingdom where they will be married. That's pretty fast courtship, honestly. Did the king have a little intel? He might have. I like the concept of you don't think you're,
Starting point is 00:32:44 I like the concept of being in your bedroom and there's a frog there and you throw it against the wall and suddenly it's a hot ass dude with a massive cock and you're like oh. Thank God I thought this was a frog. I thought this was a frog. Please come dig me down right now. Like this worked out all in my favor. Get in my bed Mr. Prince frog in modern versions the transformation is triggered by the princess kissing the frog
Starting point is 00:33:11 So that's the one I was thinking I was thinking about the modern version There's a little red riding hood Hansel and Gretel Rapunzel what are what are these stories? What would you consider these? Germanic folklore different genre Doesn't work. It makes me uncomfortable story. I'm gonna be honest with you They were those bony fingers from the witch and Hansel and Gretel a lot of them are anti-semitic a lot of them will be like the town Jews stole a child Put them will be like the town Jews stole a child
Starting point is 00:33:46 Put them in a whale Hansel and Gretel a lot of them have to do with cannibalistic witches little red riding hood is I Don't know like I... Let's see Snow White, Sleeping Beauty What's the one where...is Sleeping Beauty the one where like she can tell there's a pea like eight mattresses below her? A pea? Yeah, like there's a there's like a garden pea. Like a garden pea. Like a normal green pea. They put a pea, she has eight mattresses and they put one underneath the bottom one and she's like I can't sleep on this
Starting point is 00:34:26 There's a fucking pee down there's a pee down there somebody take it out so I can sleep yeah Maybe that's what's going on. That's why you're not sleeping good. There's a I'm princess in the pee. I am princess in the pee Yeah, it's true. I really am like that. I can't sleep if it was one little thing That's why I'm fucked if I'm sent to a Detention facility you ain't been sleeping good here and privacy your own home. I just wish they'd kill me I'm just ready for it to come. I just want them to kill me already And now they're not gonna give you the satisfaction. That's true. You want it too much No, no, we actually we're gonna give you a dot job with doze actually
Starting point is 00:35:08 As would be a fate worse than death for you. Mm-hmm Yeah, that's true go get coffee for Elon. Never know dude that would suck. You know, what's interesting the The tendency of and I know I've mentioned this before, but words and things to echo across time, for example, how Isis was an old goddess, and now it's Isis. Doge used to be- You talking about the Islimus group? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:39 Is there another Isis I'm forgetting? Isis K. Oh, Isis K. I think they spun off. They were spun off. Were they nicer. I think they spun off. They were spun off. They were were they nicer? I think they were meaner. Oh If I think they were like Isis but with an edge. K-A-Y. Isis K. Isis K. They had. They were gay Isis. Isis K.
Starting point is 00:36:03 Isis gay. If you say it quickly it says Isis gay Ice is gay if you say it quickly Oh But doge the leader of like Milan used to be called like or veneesh Venice I'm pretty sure was like a doge the merchant of Venice. I saw anti-semitic. Yeah Where we get you know the phrase pound to flesh? Anti-Semitism. That's a human story, unfortunately. You're gonna have to put it in there. Pound to flesh?
Starting point is 00:36:30 No, Doge. It's funny how like Doge was the leader of an early capitalist, what you could probably call proto-capitalist merchant state in early Italy. And now it's the catch word for we're dismantling the Empire and everyone's going to die So make sense. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah, there's some like linguistic resonance across the eight across the ages right like Isis and Doge and
Starting point is 00:36:59 I'm trying to think of other I'm gonna just go ahead and tell you what a slippery slopeless line of thinking is though What you're about? three feet away from like I'm trying to think of other examples. I'm gonna just go ahead and tell you what a slippery, slopeless line of thinking is though. What? You're about three feet away from like seeing like demons faces in like wood grains. You know? Or, you know, breaking down words and saying, you know. Doing like numerologies at yourself. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:24 Like 9-11 was like a 9-1-1 It was like 9-1-1. It was like a national emergency So yeah, if not proceed but just know that so you're saying that like I'm I'm bordering on sort of paranoid Psychosis a little bit. I wouldn't say that necessarily. I'm just saying just be sober and vigilant. I'm just saying it's interesting is all. I'm not saying that there's no... What I'm saying is we live in a simulation. There it is.
Starting point is 00:37:57 All I'm saying is we live in a situation, simulation Tom. You know what? I'm gonna tell you something. I believe it's not not a hair kookier than that what maybe we've spoken a lot of this into existence Yeah, maybe I was shit. We've been doing the last seven years. It's like oh man It's the fucking in so we weren't even close to the end doomsday clock was still 90 seconds when we were saying that That's true, and really truly. It's only went forward three seconds in five years Yeah, and a lot has happened in those five years So if those five years can just move at three seconds
Starting point is 00:38:30 Like come on. We need to reassess our criteria I Mean Isis gaze on the march So every funny thing about Isis is like listen we support the mission generally, but there's just one Doctrine air position that we're gonna have to take a little exception with that is We all like gay sex You guys know so now what we have is what the Catholics would call schism and that's how ISIS K was formed That's how is this gay. the basis was we like gay sex
Starting point is 00:39:06 We like saw to me we support homosexuality over here at Isis. Okay, like we have all the same names like you know Isis came that's how it was for Damn I had something I was going to say about that. We've got to stop this bill. We've got to stop my Supreme Court now. There is that liberal impulse. I know a lot of, talked to a lot of my liberal friends in the last couple days. And while I myself am very, I don't consider it a positive development
Starting point is 00:39:49 that the Supreme Court supported, you know, nine to zero and Trump was just like, nah, I'm just gonna do it, I won't anyway. I don't think that's good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But there's a lot of people that are like really Having a hard time with that Well, did have you seen the right?
Starting point is 00:40:16 Things are so degraded like have you seen the right wings arguments about this stuff like there was a tweet going around that was like So would it be okay if someone just mistakenly got shipped to Mongolia and Sent to a prison colony and deported. I mean would guys say that that was bad it's like yeah that's it's still bad that's what we're saying listen I'm you could send me to that IKEA jail in Sweden that they set rocky was locked in for punching that guy and I'd be like this is still fucked up it's just the fact that these are human beings but like the widespread dehumanization obviously like there's nothing I can say about it that will that won't already have been said but like
Starting point is 00:40:57 breaking people's windows in with a sledgehammer I mean Ledgehammer I mean JD Vance bitching online about people saying that it's wrong It's just like okay. This is the one I was thinking of Let's say you're a US citizen and ice grabs you off the street and puts you on a plane to Mongolia Don't you just go to your consulate give them your name date of birth, etc. They make you a new passport and you fly home They do this all day for tourists who had their stuff in ID.
Starting point is 00:41:26 So. Okay, okay, okay. I just wanna point out there's a difference between tourist and prisoner. It's so easy to just go to your, you just tell them, hey, I'm here by mistake. Hey, listen, where's the consulate? Dude, they don't, the thing is,
Starting point is 00:41:42 is all of this has already been moving in this direction for so long. The way people just get disappeared into prisons and detention camps, and you can't plead with anybody. That story in The Guardian we mentioned of the Canadian resident, you can't convince anybody that you're there quote unquote by mistake, because it becomes a tautology.
Starting point is 00:42:01 If you're there, you're supposed to be there. Yeah, yeah. That's why this fight with Kilmer Obrego is gonna be like a thing because it's like Like could you like Trump's number one thing is like looking weak. Yeah, you know what I mean, and if by some you know, I hope he's still alive but like if he if he is and they were to send him back that would look like such a black eye for them that's why they're gonna fight that tooth and nail you know what I mean 100% which is very disconcerting well they want to
Starting point is 00:42:38 establish the precedent that they and I do mean this, they want to establish the president that they can just do anything with anybody that they want. Like, I know they are trying to get rid of due process, for example, and the reason why is because they are a revolutionary government in the sense that like, what I mean when I say that, I don't mean like revolution in the good sense, I mean like they are trying to break down the norms
Starting point is 00:43:13 that were really honestly shattered with the George Bush administration. Like the fact that like they were renditioning people without due process and they were torturing people, these things, right? They have now, like you've seen this aperture just shrink, right? conditioning people without due process and they were torturing people these things right they Have now like you've seen this aperture just shrink right like first It was okay to do it to Iraqis and Afghanistan ease then it became okay to do it to immigrants in America like
Starting point is 00:43:37 Muslims Palestinians Arabs Mexicans Guatemalans and then before long, once we have, we've repeated the cycle once again. I'm sure AOC will run in 2028. She might even win. She'll be the next Obama. We're just gonna repeat the same cycle
Starting point is 00:43:54 that began in the early 2000s of a left populist movement that doesn't achieve anything. And then we just- And sets the tone for- Sets the tone for the next- The grist mill to come back. Yeah, for the next Trump to come back. And back and then maybe Trump again. Well, right and then that and then that one will be Because then they won't put any
Starting point is 00:44:13 Bullworks in place to actually stop the next people from not doing due process and but that's even assuming There's gonna be elections, which we've already established there ain't gonna be fucking well Here's the thing that's like disconcerting to me like you take the case of Mahmood Khalil, right? They could just as easily I mean this is why when people like I was like What do they mean they say the cruelty is the point and this is what I think they mean They could easily find a kangaroo court anywhere in the American South that'll like send anybody wherever, like some judge that's on the take or whatever, like they did with Mamou Khalil. Right, right, right, yeah.
Starting point is 00:44:50 Now they're dispensing with even that measure, like the appearance of legitimacy, and just saying, nah, we can just sweep up whoever and disappear them. I mean, and they're dabbing on us in the process. Like Marco Rubio literally had this thing yesterday where it's like the days where People are jailed and confined for their speech are over It's like they're dabbing on it's like they know that there's a contradiction. They know that there that's what they're doing to people
Starting point is 00:45:17 And so they're jailed and confined for their speech the same guy's been crying about Castro's for fucking 30 fucking years. I'm just saying that's a pussy, dude There's no such bigger pussy in the world that somebody like this guy Little Marco like publicly insult you'd all this stuff and you fuck it. We're like Ted Cruz like Trump Insulting his wife and Ted Cruz base. Oh, you have a blood feud against that man forever, but no not Ted Cruz It's just the biggest fucking pussies there the biggest cry babies. They're so thin-skinned like JD Vance like going after people with like 500 followers or something because they said something you know what I mean like yeah, they cannot I
Starting point is 00:46:02 think genuinely if you look at the long secular trend of this like they genuinely are working towards a position where they are trying to do away with due process entirely or maybe just for certain groups of people, white Americans and Zionist, Israelis, that's about it. And I mean, I don't know man, it's, I just like, what really gives me pause and why I'm not very hopeful about the Bernie AOC thing is that, that even at the end of the day is still defensive. Like, you know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:46:45 Like that's trying to stick your finger in the hole in the diet. You have to approach it from a new framework entirely. Get on the attack. Yeah, I think that you basically have to, honestly, you probably have to say like look We need a new Constitution We basically need a new national identity. Yeah
Starting point is 00:47:14 Genuinely, cuz what else is what these people are cuz that's what they're doing. Yeah, they're not saying it They're saying we love the Constitution Constitutionalist. Meanwhile, just fucking putting it through the paper shredder Well literally in that and I think that they even know there's a contradiction there and they love that like I think all fascists Revel in that contradiction they revel in contradiction. It's like a kind of almost Psychosexual thing for them, you know what I mean? Like they like the fact that they can trigger so many libs with their like being like we'd love the Constitution But we're gonna imprison you for free speech. We're gonna do a due process You know what I mean? Like they they like that
Starting point is 00:47:47 that they can do that and that's what I'm saying like they've been larping as Nazis for so long like they're actually just going to literally become... The pose is taking hold. Yeah. Did you see the thing from RFK yesterday saying that thing about like... Autistic people will never pay taxes was the first thing I was about. Yeah, autistic people will never know love, they'll never write a poem all this stuff It's like they are going to just land on like the t4 program eventually. It's like well We just need to just euthanize all this that's where this is trending Yeah, I mean that's I mean I hate to I hate to tweet stuff like that because it sounds alarmist and hyperbolic
Starting point is 00:48:20 But at the same time like look at what they're saying listen to what they're saying and like in and actually play out game out the implications of what they're saying, it's it's very very very dark and I don't know if Americans have even It seems like the left has kind of like started to finally understand the implications of where this is going and how it has to end But I don't think that Americans, the vast majority of Americans have. Are they even seeing this stuff about like ice agents busting in people's windows with sledgehammers?
Starting point is 00:48:51 I don't think so, like is that stuff just like relegated to like air echo chambers or is that like getting out to people like you know all over the place? I don't know, I wonder. That's a good question. I don't think people seem to like, yeah, again, it's hard to suss out what the temperature is in terms of the gravity
Starting point is 00:49:10 of the situation for most people. I don't know that if I just talked to my normie friends, they would be up on some of that stuff. But the other part of it is like, and this is the liberal impulses that like, well, institutions will intervene somehow. And it's like, Columbia's like basically just given ice-carp blonsters.
Starting point is 00:49:34 Well, yeah. And that's, you know, Tony Northeastern Ivy League school. I think the thing is. What the fuck's, you know, Mercer University in Macon, Georgia gonna do? You know what I mean? Well, you can see this in how they're going after Harvard. You know, Harvard is trying to actually take a stance against them.
Starting point is 00:49:52 But the thing is... Yeah, like, here we can make some... Create some distance between us and those Colombians. I mean, if you look at what they're actually doing, the Achilles heel of all these institutions is still the accusation of antisemitism. So Harvard is still trying to purge Palestinian activism. They're still trying to,
Starting point is 00:50:17 while they're trying to like thread this needle. What have we said about liberals? They try to thread every needle. And you're saying how like they can't maintain it anymore Did you see that thing from biden's? Anti-semitism envoy how she she was like Maybe the trump people she was but she basically said I support what they're doing, but they should at least have due process I support deporting palestinian
Starting point is 00:50:41 Students and activists, but they should at least have due process What so I? No, no, no what they're doing is good They think they can thread every needle yeah, and I think that is that is a ridiculous position to contort yourself into like no I still think they need to leave the country, but we need to have some like pomp and circumstance around that yeah They some decorum around that. They, and I honestly, I think the Harvard thing is a good example of that.
Starting point is 00:51:09 Like their Achilles heel will always be, like I said, the charge of antisemitism, because this country is- Still paying for the crimes of cotton mad there, the boys. This country will literally rip itself apart, and we are going to see, this is why I don't have a whole lot of hope right now,
Starting point is 00:51:25 because the vast majority of this country has to come to the realization that Zionism is a poison and an evil. And that is a hard sell. We're far afield of that. Far, far, even though a lot of Americans, statistically, are upset with Israel. Like I think that isn't the poll number like over 50%?
Starting point is 00:51:48 Like over half of Americans that are polled anyways do find Israel to be a grotesque reprehensible society. But the institutions though, it's like trying to pass the largest glassy shit you've ever taken. It's not gonna come out well. It's like causing bad convulsions and violence. We're gonna die on the toilet Elvis style. Trying to pass the shit of Zionism. Constipated and having a heart attack trying to squeeze one out.
Starting point is 00:52:22 That's what it is. We can't get it out of our system like we had we re-metabolize the Nazi impulse through Zionism We were like, oh we can't get rid of nazism entirely. Let's let's keep a part of it. Yeah, and now it's Now it's like morphed. There's some good elements there Sort through it. Yeah Now they've landed on the one kind of Nazism that is like very difficult to actually Convince people is not to use it because it uses the cloak of it Like dialectics man the negation of the negation. That's fucking crazy. Yeah, yeah
Starting point is 00:53:02 Did you say cloak clock should be at midnight. Like we are at midnight. I hate to break this to you. The Doomsday clock thing, they're just trying to get some more mileage out of that. We're about 15 after, quarter after 12. Absolutely. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:53:18 Absolutely. We all died in 2020. We actually all died in 2001, even if you were born after it, you were just born like You're still born He just born dead. I Really?
Starting point is 00:53:32 Glass yeah, 24 years ago where you're right. We're after been to you I'm not trying to like black pill anybody or like dissuade people from political action. I'm just I Need we're just talking about the difficulties. There's difficulties. There's difficulties and I need to stress, however, that the single most important change you can do as an individual right now is to grasp spiritually, physically, mentally, emotionally, in every way.
Starting point is 00:54:04 The notion that the only way out of this is revolutionary. And I don't mean that in like an epic guillotine meme way. Revolutions can take all different forms. Some has to fundamentally change. I just mean a comprehensive wholesale upheaval of all the premises. And that's why I mean like the only way to combat this is basically going to the American people and saying like we need a new constitution we need an entirely new conception of national identity and an institutional capacity yeah because It's that's that's the rights
Starting point is 00:54:37 Offer and liberals are uniquely Positioned to do that because they can they can start power mapping and they can show yeah pluses and deltas of like, okay Let's workshop a new constitution. No ideas are bad ideas But they're not going to is the thing the left has to do it because the liberals aren't going to The liberals will go to their graves saying like no the way things are good Fundamentals are strong. Yeah, and what they I think what a lot of times what they think is that they're just gonna be able to outlast Trump. That's what I'm saying, they think they can outlast him. Like it won't be long before we're,
Starting point is 00:55:10 what was the rallying cry of 2020, back to brunch. Back to brunch. Yeah, I think that's kind of how it's looked at in some ways right now. It's like, well, this is just, these are the dog years. And then by the time 2028 rolls around we'll be back in the catbird seat you know. Maybe we can stave it off with another round of like I said left populism Obama type shit through
Starting point is 00:55:36 like AOC or something but that's not gonna that is gonna be short-lived because all of the economic trends are trending towards detonation, right? Like there was like a stat I saw the other day that like 40 or 50% of homes, refinancing on homes is done by boomers, 20% is millennials. Boomers hold all the wealth. There's not a transition or transmission of
Starting point is 00:56:05 wealth that you would expect right and and there's just I'm just saying like shit like that like it's homeless people living longer like what is it just is it just the stinginess of the boomers or no it's the it's the fact that if you get wealth if you get these assets for cheap in the 70s and 80s like they did, they appreciate over time, but because we- People are living a lot longer these days. Well, they are living longer, but you can you can buy new assets leveraging that as collateral. So it's once you've got some money, once you've got assets,
Starting point is 00:56:47 you can get more assets. It's kinda like us, like we didn't have an economic system, we were birthed into it right as the fucking entire economy collapsed in 2008. Well also, we were born right smack dab, five, you know, a couple years into the project of easy credit. So a lot of people just, you know, a couple years into the project of Easy Credit. So a lot of people just, you know, racked up massive debt and passed that off as like, there's probably
Starting point is 00:57:12 a lot of people who think they grew up middle class that actually probably grew up pretty poor. You know what I mean? Yeah, we don't, and that era is over. The era of Easy Credit is done. I mean, I don't know, I saw Trump today is like, we need to get Powell out of there so they can lower interest rates. And because Powell gave this speech yesterday saying like, the tariffs are gonna fuck everything up. But I think his term isn't over until like into like November so I mean I don't know how that's your own pal your own pal yeah I gotta get pal out of there I thought I was thinking we did get pal out of there pal P a column colon colon pal yeah, I don't know, man. I, um. The Trump probably thought we were talking
Starting point is 00:58:06 about Colin Powell too. Right. We gotta get Colin Powell out of there. He lied to the American people. It sucks that this falls along like generational lines, but that's just kind of the hand we were dealt, though. Like millennials and Zoomers don't have access to the same credit and wealth
Starting point is 00:58:26 and capital that boomers did. And you know, while on the one hand the stock market is not good for the boomers for O.N.K.'s, like their houses are still great. Whereas we don't even have that. We don't even fucking have homes. We really truly have no hope, no cash, no jobs. We got no hope, no cash, no jobs. I mean that's. Used to we had hope, cash, and jobs. And now we have no hope, no cash, and no jobs.
Starting point is 00:59:00 Yeah. We're at an hour. What do you feel like? Do you wanna end on this note or should we do a little bit of ethicist? Let's hit us with a little bit of ethicist. Let's do a little palate cleanser. Okay the ethicist Here we go man the ethicist is it wrong to remove a card from Monopoly Is it wrong to remove a card from Monopoly? My grandchildren love playing Monopoly. The board game has become a great way
Starting point is 00:59:29 for me to interact with them, and also a great way for them to see capitalism in all its imperfect glory. God damn it. Did I take my coffee into the, motherfucker. The problem, one of the cards a player may draw when landing on community chest is bank Error in your favor collect $200 right when we first started playing the game together I removed that card from the set I did so because it taught the wrong lesson the proper thing to do when there's a bank
Starting point is 00:59:59 Error in your favor is to report it in return the money Just like the banks do My grandchildren have discovered the deletion and believe I am silly and old-fashioned after all it's just a game They say I stand by my belief that the card should not be in the game We learn all kinds of lessons from gameplay and ethical decision-making should not be dismissed so easily How tightly should play reinforce ethical behavior is a game of place where you can and should live in a different ethical world? What do you think? Like shooter games for example when you get to shoot up an entire school Does that is that bad or good, Tom?
Starting point is 01:00:45 You know, I think it's good to teach kids the value of honesty. I don't know that I would pick, you know, the bank as the appropriate sort of, you know, the arena for teaching that lesson teaching that lesson yeah yeah yeah like the things with the reason everybody's a goddamn liar is the stuff like this of George Washington the cherry tree we can't tell the damn truth in this country I agree I like if we were if you really want to teach kids
Starting point is 01:01:22 about honesty we got a dispense with all the national myths America's a you know, I mean I hate to sound like you know radlib here But like we just gotta start telling truth about American assaults shibboleths Well, I mean, I don't think it's radlib to say that America doesn't honor its deals that America is dishonorable We're cheats. We're thieves. We have no honor. A pirate nation. If there was a god and we were to go in front of him he would say you are dishonorable. You have dishonored me. About as bad as you can do. Yeah. Also one of the things that... I just think about like there's story after story bounds of like banks fucking people out of money with all these bullshit fees
Starting point is 01:02:08 Yeah, like and all this different different things. They were like no no no no if there's a bank here in your favor You need to return the money Yeah, because they would definitely would they definitely would do that, right? did the One of the moral premises of this country, I've been working through this in therapy, is fuck everybody else, get your bag, everybody's out to hurt you, compassion makes you weak.
Starting point is 01:02:36 That's basically what JD Vance and all of them say, that compassion and morality and empathy make you a weak person. The fact, that is an American value. Yeah, that's a real American value It's an American story The truth of the matter is that compassion actually does not make you weak it is a strength But they won't tell you that they won't tell you that it's not you should not be compassionate towards banks though. We're healthcare CEOs
Starting point is 01:03:08 Anybody to those industries? No The ethicist says I wonder whether your moral focus here is a tad narrow we're talking about a board game called my lot no not Good I will say the ethics I that one. Yeah, the whole game is In exploitative. I mean it encourages exploitative practice Well, we pointed this out before on the show But like even the name of our economic system capitalism suggests that somebody has to lose You know as in capitalizing on somebody's weakness exactly
Starting point is 01:03:46 to lose you know as in capitalizing on somebody's weakness exactly that is true that in that that gets it like kind of what the ethicist is like a clearinghouse for liberal anxieties which is that like the entire game of that monopoly would be unethical the whole thing is But like I don't think we should ban monopoly though I do think we should ban games where you can shoot up schools like I as a belief that I have I don't think Yeah, I don't think you should be able to play games like that. Okay Thanks. Oh Obviously, I don't think that simulating those kind of acts is curbing the mass shootings Clearly, I don't think that that's I don't know if it's causing it
Starting point is 01:04:32 But I definitely think it's feeding into the general ambient schizophrenia and psychosis that everybody is experiencing Anyways my girlfriend okay, here's here is the so we've got that one the ethicist My girlfriend keeps looking through my phone. Should we break up? I'm a 60 year old man Definitely was expecting that to be 22 year old a dating 21 year old F I'm a 60 year old man who has been divorced for eight years now since my divorce I have not remarried and have ended two significant relationships because of behavioral and substance use issues currently I'm in a relationship of 16 months with a recently separated woman
Starting point is 01:05:21 We don't live together, but we spend most of our time together functioning like a married couple. I'm employed in a higher paying job and cover most of our expenses. When things are good, the relationship is deeply fulfilling and our romantic life is exceptional. Over the past year, however, we've had recurring disputes about device privacy. The first incident involved my girlfriend secretly accessing my password protected phone and finding a topless photo of an ex-girlfriend and an unanswered email I had sent to that ex to retrieve personal items. The topless photo was among my 3,000 unorganized photos. I forgot to delete it.
Starting point is 01:05:53 My girlfriend confronted me weeks later, suspecting I was still involved with my ex. I assured her I was not and deleted the photo and other past mementos, but we could not agree on device privacy boundaries. Since then, she has viewed my devices at least two more times. Once she misinterpreted a text from a long time platonic friend as evidence of infidelity.
Starting point is 01:06:11 Another time she saw me delete a message from a different female friend whose health issues were most likely the topic though I couldn't recall weeks later when she raised it. And again. Oh, you know. And again. I can remember what we talked about.
Starting point is 01:06:24 Maybe her, my Alja. You know and again, I could remember I couldn't remember what we talked about maybe Maybe her My elder now I use my devices in another room for private communication, which she sees a secretive. That's not good I respect her privacy and don't snoop on her devices and though I'm open to couples counseling I believe my girlfriend's mistrust issues need individual attention First is there an ethically? Accept accepted standard for accessing a partner's devices with or without permission If a partner demands to see a device is the other partner ethically required to comply? I think there's a Thank you can go ahead and safely roll out. There's no ethical ethical
Starting point is 01:07:04 Go ahead to, without permission. So you're saying, yes, it's unethical to do it without permission, is what you're saying. Yes, yes. I agree. I do agree. That to me hints that there's a larger mistrust there.
Starting point is 01:07:22 It probably is not, and even asking permission is not a good prognosticator of the relationship. Right, it just means that like, something is amiss. One person perceives a lack of equitable care and attention or trust or whatever. And so, I mean, it is also bad to have that stuff, like to be texting an ex or whatever if it's not okay with your partner, right?
Starting point is 01:07:52 Like that's bad. But like any kind of breach of privacy I think is like, is a sign of- Is also a bridge too far. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think there's a healthy amount of jealousy, you know, that you can expect that everybody deals with from time to time.
Starting point is 01:08:10 It can be hot. When it goes to the point of you're engaging in insane behaviors, and I would say this as a man that has, you know, wrestled with jealousy from time to time, you're just, you end up feeling foolish in the long run. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:08:28 You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Even like, it doesn't matter if there's, if I can, 20 motherfuckers in that phone on the other side of it, you know what I mean? You're still gonna feel, you're gonna feel bad either way. Right, because you're not actually looking for proof of fidelity, like that would,
Starting point is 01:08:43 or infidelity, like, or you are, but like, the big fear is that they are hiding something from you, and ergo, you can never actually find what you're looking for, right? Like, you'll always be. You're never gonna be sated. You're never gonna be sated, exactly.
Starting point is 01:09:01 You're always going to be looking for the thing, or the smoking gun, or whatever, when there is a lesson in a Coen Brothers movie a serious man about this is Sometimes you just got to embrace the mystery Now that's Easier said than done sometimes when other things are not in order in the relationship There's a lack of trust like whatever whatever mm-hmm Get some of those things in place and maybe that thing won't be such a big thing in your mind.
Starting point is 01:09:31 What was the ethicist say? The ethicist just said, consider your girlfriend's conduct may be controlling, not just fearful. Yeah, I agree, it's controlling. Couples therapists could help the two of you figure out whether this relationship can be rescued I'm certainly in a position to weigh in on its prospects
Starting point is 01:09:49 Still the obstacles are obvious. Yeah, I agree with you. That's just here. It's time to end it or I Mean is or just tell her like look it's If you don't trust me you're never going to so let's just end this now and move on that's basically what I would tell her all right our gardener wants to avoid taxes should we pay him in cash throughout our 55 years of marriage my husband and I have never once cheated on our taxes now the man who mows and trims our lawn has asked us to pay him in cash instead of by check.
Starting point is 01:10:29 We have little doubt as to why he has made this request. My husband feels very uncomfortable with this, but I disagree. This man is a landscape service of one and most likely only makes him modest income. It makes me angry to see the number of obscenely rich Americans continue to rise while most people like him work hard and long and
Starting point is 01:10:46 Likely have to pay for their own health insurance if he wants to nick a bit off the IRS's take it may be illegal But I don't consider it immoral. What is the right thing to do in this? I Mean obviously the answer is not even remotely like the answer so far I mean the question is so far outside of my realm of what I consider ethical and unethical. It's like How do I put it this question never would have even occurred to me Does it make sense like I would have paid him and can't pay the man and can't pay the man Hey, what's the pay? Yeah. Yeah
Starting point is 01:11:21 It's funny though, but like I've seen lawyers with cash like I see a lawyer one time with a sign on the door that said 50% discount if you pay in cash Nobody bad enough that But the working man has to get his motives and ran under a microscope Okay, this is nerd shit Um, okay, this is nerd shit. For someone like your landscaper, underreporting can create long-term costs. Social Security calculates retirement benefits based on your highest 35 years of reported earnings, and while lower earners typically receive a higher replacement rate of their income, unreported ages still reduce total benefits.
Starting point is 01:12:00 Dude, no one cares. There's not gonna be Social Security in fucking 20, years They're about to privatize that or the do away with that just like everything else did you see the thing where like Elon made it to where You can now only get updates on your social security through Twitter through X whatever the fire Like this whole thing is cooked dog. Yeah, it's cooked It's gonna be kind of funny to see Twitter become kind of what Facebook became after it got away from college campuses I just go to see a bunch of geriatrics on there. Just like uh-huh Where's my heck my husband's Twitter? Remember that act by your wife everyone that was happening, uh-huh
Starting point is 01:12:42 Let's see. Can male authors publish books under female names? What do you think about that? I recently heard some sharp comments from friends about male authors publishing books under female names. The pseudonyms are sometimes gender neutral, but in genres dominated by women, readers assume that these writers are women too. I know there are historical examples of the inverse,
Starting point is 01:13:05 female writers using male names or gender neutral names that are assumed to be male. But are these equivalent? Whatever difficulty male authors may face in majority female literary genres today cannot compare to women's historical struggle to live a public life. Is it unethical for these male authors
Starting point is 01:13:19 to present themselves this way Wow, I mean what do you say Tom you gotta call it both ways I say if it is all right for What's your face to go by George? It's all right for is it George. Yeah, George. Yeah. Yeah, man. It's all right. I say for Samuel Langhorn Clemens to go by Mark Twain Marsha Twain Marcia Twain Marcia Twain interesting you know who are the male authors writing under female names no I don't he cites Lawrence Block who churned out lesbian pulps in the 50s and 60s under the names Jill Emerson and Leslie Evans but is the basic narrative here women evade men invade a little pat it's certainly true that in recent years some men writing
Starting point is 01:14:15 mainstream trade fiction have obscured their genre genre gender in an effort to help their chances when Todd Ritter found his fiction fizzling he had to reboot his career and choose chose to use a gender-neutral pseudonym Riley Sager um I don't see any concrete examples you look you want my just knee-jerk reaction I think it's fine. Who cares who gives a fuck? There are more pressing issues people get set to Salvadorian death camps and you're worried about somebody writing under a pen name I don't I don't care. These are let me tell you something if you're right into that. These are not real problems These are not real problem. No, this does not fucking matter
Starting point is 01:15:12 They may write in about the erosion of due process or anything consequence I've learned my sister's therapist is also a spiritual medium help it's fine probably fine why does it matter hey listen you got listen the situation we're in therapists are so have been so thoroughly proletarianized that they have to take up a side game Yeah, yeah, it's a medium. That's exactly right then As a white man, can I date women of color to advance my anti-racism? Did we cover that one already? We covered that one already, baby I think we covered that one already maybe Jesus Christ house is real. Oh My good Dance my anti-racism
Starting point is 01:15:55 Some of these I know we've talked about this before these are recycled should I tell my son that his best friend is stealing From him didn't we do one? Like that. I wonder if like there Didn't we do one that was like that? I wonder if there's some of these queries that are like, the basic morality tale at the core of them that they want advice on is the same, but should I tell my brother that his best friend's stealing from him
Starting point is 01:16:22 could just as easily be transposed to, should I tell my best friend his wife's cheating on her? Or, you know, or? It's eight human stories. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just retelling the same thing over and over again. Like, my teenage son has a girlfriend,
Starting point is 01:16:35 who her parents need to know. So much of the ethicist comes down to, like, when is it okay to snitch? Snitch or not, yeah, yeah, yeah. That is hilarious. I mean, okay, I will grant that, yeah, yeah, yeah. That is hilarious. I mean, okay, I will grant that like, yeah, there are some things, like here's one, for example, that I do think is an ethical thing
Starting point is 01:16:54 that you would want to maybe interrogate snitching. For example, my ex was abusive, should I warn his new girlfriend? That's a snitching situation where you need to interrogate the ethical thing. I think the point is is a lot of the ethicist I would say a solid 75 to 80 percent is is it okay to snitch and I Don't even think that you would get that if you didn't have something like social media
Starting point is 01:17:23 You know what I'm saying? Because social media creates this spectacle, this network where you're constantly having to, like I've said before, be your own one-stop shop, policy, whatever, spokesperson, diplomat. You're constantly having to make press releases and stuff. You're constantly having to navigate these commodified, instrumentalized relationships. I don't know, it's just, I don't think you would have this kind of ethicist thing a hundred years ago without social media. Because snitching, your options for snitching have never been higher as they are now, is the thing. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 01:18:03 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We're incentivized to do it. You're incentivized. Sometimes literally, I mean like, now they're trying to deputize everybody to like rat on their fucking. Well, okay, I saw, there was a video I saw when I was in the bathroom earlier,
Starting point is 01:18:18 where this woman was in a fight with a black woman and she kept calling her the N-word and People published her name where she works like her address and all this and it's like Okay, she deserves an ass with it. I don't know if she deserves to have her entire Like to be fired and have her entire life like invaded by a bunch of strangers online Yes Okay, does the punishment fit the crime if you say the n-word you should get your shit clocked, right? You should get your you should get your fucking
Starting point is 01:18:53 Clock cleaned is that the right expression right? but I don't think that you should be harassed and hounded down by like 100,000 strangers on the internet who now know where you were. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, here's the thing about it is like with very few exceptions like Maybe being like undercover ice or something like that like You know anytime you encounter internet do your thing. Yeah Now that's it. Yeah, you're right. That is one example where it's fine.
Starting point is 01:19:27 Like that video of them smashing that Guatemalan family's window with a sledgehammer. Like, yes, internet do your thing for that person. That is a morally vacuous person who needs to be. Who needs a great justice. Who needs a great justice, right, because there is Unfortunately, there's really no punishment that would fit that crime. Yeah, so
Starting point is 01:19:51 Internet do your best or do your worst Interested Well, that's all I got for the other sister. Okay. How do you feel about all that? I feel great about it All right good I feel like my heart mind is clear now. Oh good That's good um well parting thoughts secretary mark rubio said 64 years ago the courageous patriots of brigade
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