Trillbilly Worker's Party - Episode 393: Creeping Hygge

Episode Date: May 22, 2025

This week we start off with a few stories from Trumpworld: the new budget, allegations of white genocide, importing of white Afrikaaners and deporting of Danish people. Then we switch over to a few stories from Demworld: Gerry Connolly's death, an article in Politico about how the Dems are stuck in the black lodge, and an article in the New York Times about the search for the liberal Joe Rogan. Finally, we discuss the shooting of two employees of the Israeli embassy in Washington DC last night. Support us on Patreon: www.patreon.com/trillbillyworkersparty

Okay, where to even begin this week? I think a good place to begin is the Republicans in the House passed Trump's tax bill or his budget. Is that what it was? I don't know. It's called the- His big, his big big beautiful budget? It's called the well the okay, so it's called the one big beautiful bill act So it's got it's it's a bill and it's an act. It's like they know it's oba Oba you know oh, I'm gonna make it an acronym Obama Obama Obama Trump I take it didn't watch schoolhouse rock I guess not that's all right I

It's just like I saw this photo today of like Kevin Johnson like the speaker of the house like standing in front of a Was it a dais? What is that word? Is it a day days a dais or dais? Said a fancy word for podium for podium. Yeah And it had a big sign on the front that said one big beautiful bill act One big beautiful, but oh bill at oh bye, oh bye I also have to add to just to dovetail with another news item this

week that Jerry Connolly the young 75 year old congressman who I forget from what state but who was chosen over AOC to head the oversight committee I saw someone post that part like part of the reason why that bill went through was because the Democrats were like at least a vote down, you know, and I don't know how many Democrats voted against the bill. I'm pretty sure many Democrats voted for it probably. Jerry didn't vote in absentia on his deathbed.

He didn't say, hey, here's how I want to vote on the one big beautiful bill act. It wasn't at his will, though it wasn't. So you know, just, I don't know, just an example of how our gerontocracy is not conducive to helping people out. 74, he was a child. They said he was a young 74 is what they had said. I forgot who had said that. There was an article in the New York Times, I'm looking for it now, and I can't find it, but the

Gist of it was okay here. It is Biden's cancer and a lawmaker's death keep focused on Democrats age problem And I think it's like I do think there is something to be said for that like Yes, there are some aging, decrepit Republicans like Chuck Grassley or Mitch McConnell, but statistically, numerically, there's probably more Democrats, right? Like more decaying Democrats than there are decaying Republicans?

It seems like, what I'm saying is, it seems like the Republicans have a little bit of a younger bitch. Yeah, yeah, that's what I was gonna say that it seems like the Republicans have a little bit of a younger. Yeah. Yeah That's what I was gonna say. I was like two things one. I think that They're always like every like, you know midterms or whatever. There's always a crop of like whether it's um whether it's a well Madison Hawthorne, I guess it's not you know, but I'm thinking of like Marjorie Taylor Greene or like not even just younger necessarily but fresher faces.

So they the Democrats don't Josh Hawley the Democrats don't have anyone in the benches and also too it feels like what's that Martin Luther King quote that bad people make the best best use of their time. It's almost like even if Republicans are aging they're going to do some really fucked up insane shit when they're like 80 something years old. You know what I mean? Where Democrats, they already start off milk toast, but then they completely soften up to like, you know, human mush.

You know what I mean? And then just die in office. It does seem like for every AOC that you see that you think would swing the pendulum, like the average age one way, the Democrats somehow produced three people with diseases that died out in the 18th century. And then on the other side of it, it's like while that's happening, the Republicans, while not super young,

I mean you got Josh Hawley I guess, even though it's probably more to do a skincare routine than anything. He is a little light in the ass. But anyway. So, but you get like three Lauren Boberts, like three like late 30s, early 40s, like you know,

former Kid Rock groupie type beat, you know what I mean? So probably Swings, yeah. But it also again just seems as if like, I mean they just, like, they just just I mean that long in office like the things That they're capable of doing you know whereas the Democrats they'll spend their use their time in office to like essentially agree with the Republicans You know I mean what I'm saying is that towards the end of the life if you actually believe in any of these things Which they don't why not just go for broke you know? Well it goes in line with this article people were sharing around

Well, I don't know. I'm gonna save it for just a second. I just wanted to recap though the one big beautiful bill act Because there's there's a few things in Trump world. I wanted to highlight first the the the one big beautiful bill act got bond markets panicking overnight because It's supposed to add it's supposed to raise the debt ceiling by four trillion dollars and Which is like you know I mean it's kind of a truism at this point which is really funny that the Republicans are usually the ones that wind up adding to the deficit and they're the ones most obsessed with lowering it

But also included in this bill they're supposed to have this thing for newborn babies if your baby is born between 2025 and 2029 they will get to have a their own like $1,000 investment. Is it a crypto with some shit? Yeah it's like well if when you it's it's like a it's like an investment fund in the sense that when you withdraw from it you have to pay taxes on that but that but they're calling it like a Trump account

so like every baby born in the next four years is gonna have a Trump It's not even gonna be like, you know dollars, you know, it's gonna be like a bit corny some shit like that Yeah, did they used to do something? I was reading a little bit about that something called baby bonds. Oh, yeah Like in the 80s and 90s Yeah, I remember when you had like the Gerber life program But I think you had like did the baby bonds program, but I think you had like, did the baby bonds program get privatized by Gerber Life or something? Is that what happened to it?

I don't know, I feel like my grandma always told me that I had some somewhere. I always heard about it like. Yeah, I need to, we need to look. We might be rich, you might know it. My grandma would always make like references to this mythical baby bond I had somewhere. She's making it sound as if like, you know, I would always make like references to this mythical baby bond I had some

It's like it of locked wardrobe or something like that or maybe buried in a mountain It was probably very she's probably buried with my baby bonds will like exhume her and they'll be my baby bonds will be Like a Pharaoh getting buried with all their treasures and tricking to shit. Also too, I believe, like, I mean, given, I don't know, inflation and just like the volatile nature of the economy, I mean, it's a thousand dollars in 2027, you know, a year from now or a couple years from now, is that, you know what I mean, is that gonna have the same value as it does today?

I sincerely doubt it. No doubt no no absolutely not like in their press release for this they were like we're gonna give every that at first they called them MAGA accounts but then they changed the name to Trump accounts and they said that it'll be for every child to be able to spend later in life on either a home or college or all these things that aren't gonna be able to spend later in life on either a home or college or all these things that aren't going to be available to anybody in 20 years. That I can't even imagine for myself. The Trump accounts will probably be worth less than when the baby was born.

The dollar will have depreciated to the point that that bond is essentially worth nothing. Meanwhile, Aaron, when were you born? I was born 1990. Okay, so you just missed the cut probably for but me and Terrence might be rich We might be rich Yeah, dude. All right now what what he should do instead man is that you know how he's always hawking his wares You know like gold minted coins. Yeah, and there were a pair of there a pair of gold Trump sneakers I think that I think that the Trump the Trump babies of the Trump accounts or whatever should just be full of Trump paraphernalia You know yeah, I mean yeah, it's like Trump March from 2016 that they'd cut and sent you know yeah like gilded island nation somewhere Yeah, like gilded cup holders and stuff just, like gilded cupholders and stuff

Just like like you think that I've been sitting in a free Be great those ugly ass sneakers he came out with it was like $400 You get a nice Trump watch I turned 18 I wonder if there is like a like a hero's journey to be had like Every kid born in the 80s is like rich off the baby bonds But in order to get it you have to go on like a quest find the actual bonds and therein lies the thing It's like an endurance thing. Yeah You're not just entitled to it. You actually have to go find it like a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow You know, yeah, you have to it's like gonna be like a video game where you have to get your party together

You know yeah quest you know to the to the Badlands and find the bond buried in the mountain You know you have to skill up level up like Yeah, you have to answer a riddles three from a bridge troll at some point Confront the deepest neuroses from your past. I guess this is basically the plot of Bo is Afraid essentially. Dude, you're right, Tom. I haven't heard those words in so long. They just phased them out. They stopped talking about baby bonds at some point.

Like, like we wouldn't notice. Like we would just forget about the baby bonds we were promised. This is maybe I bet. I bet Matthew Lesko knows about it, you know the guy thought the Question marks on his suit. Yeah, it's like I knows about all the secret government money You can tap into we need to write to him and say hey I was promised a baby bond that's been appreciating for nearly 40 years now Where could I find this and and then he's just gonna light up and he'll be like you're the first person to ask that

And then their quest begins Well, okay so like As while we're covering like news in Trump world. There's the one big beautiful bill act supposed to add four trillion dollars to the deficit. They, um, it's like, like I said, like they had like a bond auction yesterday and nobody's buying bonds now because like the deficit is starting to become an issue with investors, particularly because I think it probably wasn't that much of an issue until they started raising the

specter of tariffs and so and and then furthermore like You know Moody's downgraded Government debt last week like it was its last like it lost its last like triple a rating and was its last, like it lost its last like AAA rating. And so like several things have just been, like you can't run a deficit that high when your debt rating is starting to get bad.

And I think that's kind of what has people panicking a little bit. It's like us trying to finance a home when they can look and see that we owe everybody in the country. You're right. You have like retail credit cards from the mid 2000s. Like if you have a lot of debt, but your debt rating is good,

like you're good for it, then it's fine. But like after a certain point. You can make those payments. Theoretically, you can rack up as much as you want. But they're talking about like doing away with the IRS and just using tariffs as income. And it it's like well, that's not gonna work You'd be better off using like gold like what do they call bullions or some shit like that, you know Yeah, it's it's no different from the libertarians pushing for the gold standard

You know what? I mean that would have asked if we went to the gold back to the gold standard It absolutely crucified the economy, you know what I mean? That's what they're doing here, but they're too goddamn stupid to realize it because we're governed by, and I think I've tapped into a unique insight about Trump's particular brand of narcissism. He has surrounded himself with guys who are kind of like, fail sons. Like I learned this week, my buddy Chris told me that Cash tell dates this like sort of burgeoning country singer in Nashville Which makes total sense, you know, I mean, I don't know just aesthetically it makes total sense But you have just a laundry list of guys who have not been very good at what they do

And now they get in positions of power and they treat it like college, you know And now they get in positions of power and they treat it like college. You know It's like national lampoons fucking you know well running the government or something Yeah, not to sound too much like a lib, but once again the one big beautiful bill act I mean you might as well put like legislation on the end of that like just round it out one big beautiful bill act Legislation it's like you've got act in there twice. Bill, I mean we get it, it's a bill. Yeah. Well the question, it begs the question,

can something be a bill and an act? Maybe it's like how like, not all bourbon can be whiskey, but all whiskey, or not all whiskey can be bourbon or not all whiskey can be bourbon Not always not yet, but not all bourbon can be whiskey Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know what you're saying I know yeah Bourbon is whiskey, but not all whiskey is bourbon right maybe maybe a bill is like an umbrella term For various acts you know the acts are included within the bill

Yeah, maybe that's what it is. Yeah, the acts are included within the bill Well, we're also witnessing the erosion of language too and words could just mean whatever you want them to mean Yeah, last night I said soft spot when I meant sore spot But instead of like correcting that I just doubled down like no soft spot You know like if you like if you're upset about something, that's a soft spot No, it's not soft spot is fun like you feel like generally positively towards something like when you have like a

Tenderness towards something is that what you're saying an affinity right well Yeah, but I meant it as like a sore spot isn't like it's bad for you But I was trying to argue the opposite of it you were saying yeah You're saying like this ulcer in my mouth is actually a good thing you were you're like I have a I have a soft spot for anti-semitism, but you meant source I have a soft spot for anti-semitism, but you meant source Interesting Okay also in Trump world this week

Trump confronted the South African president Cyril Ramaphosa, that how you say his name Rama fossa About the about how white genocide is is totally real Okay, what I liked about what I liked about this clip dude was he printed off like 80 articles dog Like he had a bunch He was like me when I worked in an office and I could and I had access to a copier and I could print off Art my articles because I like to read them on paper rather than on the screen. He was like me. He had all these articles about white. Let me speak to this having lived with Terrence Ray for a couple of years. When you leave a living situation with Terrence, here's what you find. You find several stacks of stapled, printed out news articles running the gamut of any topic

that you've ever thought about in your life. And they're just everywhere. You know how like when you like die or something and your papers get donated to a library, Terrence is just gonna be in a big stack of computer printouts marked up in the margin Man I just wanted to add to that terrorist to just the presentation of the evidence One of the first things he did was show a video. Yeah, you know turn the lights down

He was like a social studies teacher. He was like turn the lights down. We're gonna watch a movie He was like Wilt Joe Wilson presenting the birth of the nation He pulled the lights down we're gonna watch a movie like Walter Wilson Yeah, he's like they're trying to kill the white farmer and take their land He's like and so like the president of South Africa is saying like That that doesn't happen like if anything like black farmers are getting killed way more often than white ones and And Trump was like but you do you do allow them to take their land you do it And like what is so funny to me about this and I said this on the patreon on Monday Was like if you really thought that like black South Africans were taking white farmers land Like if you really thought that like black South Africans were taking white farmers land

Like what good does it do them to take those white farmers and just bring them to America? Which is what they're doing like instead of taking their farms Trump just took the farmers Expropriated the farmer well you're gonna like you're gonna expropriate all these white South Africans go ahead brother I'm cool with it man. No time in South Africa in the 80s I Was taking notes I know what goes on there He did say that he said I have one South African friend. He's told me he's told me all about it They're taking their land Was he talking about Elon Musk, bro? Yeah, probably.

He had them. Probably. Also too, I just love that it was all done with the air of like, I mean, not my racist uncle, but someone's racist uncle showing them Facebook posts and shit like that, you know? Yeah. And conspiracy theories would say, no, this is true.

I have over 80 articles proving that this is an absolute fact. Yo the archbishop Desmond tutu I talked to him yesterday Mr. President There's what tutu's been dead for a few years talk to him yesterday said it's going on. It's happening Mandela would not have been a fan of this at all Mandela would not have been a fan of this at all At least we have Dolly Parton who's still alive and who served prison time with Nelson Mandela in an apartheid-era Prison so we could ask her like what's it is it like?

Is it you know are the are the rumors true? That's true. Not a lot of people know Jolene was written in a Johannesburg, you know, max security spot Unfortunately Nelson Mandela was not credited for his contribution to that song What's that? What's that movie is the movie about Mandela? It may have just been Mandela, but I think it was like it had to do with like his imprisonment And he was like he just like repeated a mantra to himself like he's the captain of his own ship or something like that I don't I don't know what movie you're talking about but for some reason I thought I did but for some reason I was like wait did Cuba Gooding Jr. play Nelson Mandela in a movie but I

think I just made that up yeah are you thinking that like the Sinbad Genie movie are you thinking of that are you thinking of that movie where those pirates I didn't there are they like Zimbabwean or Ethiopian they like take over the ship that Tom Hanks is the captain of and they're like I'm not that racist he has a mantra that he says from prison. I am the captain now. That's the mantra. This is why they call it the Mandela Effect, by the way. Anytime you try to think about something related to Mandela, you're going to go down a mental

rabbit hole of something you thought was true and is not. Oh, shit. Anyway, it would be funny if they did like a studio movie where it's like white South Africans locked in prison and they're like, but it's like a feel-good story about how that like after 20 years of incarceration they let the Boers yeah out and then they assume control of the government. Hell yeah. It'd be like Reds you know but for South Africa. White. It's just called white They are such a dumbass fucking kid like I was a kid I was like man There's a couple countries in Africa where white people are

My boy, and they're South Africa. It's the white African country Because like as a kid you don't really have much of a framework for like colonialism It's the same reason why we thought Israel was this like 2,000 year old like kingdom when in fact it was just like you know younger than our grandparents like My dad even like yeah, it's true. Yeah No, man, I remember um I remember one time. I was bar, man, and this guy who wasn't from South Africa, wasn't from Zimbabwe, I don't remember where, but he was a white dude. And he'd been born there.

And it was one of those things where I don't think it was like this admission of white guilt. I think it was just a genuine question. But he was like kind of apologizing to me and asking, how do you feel that there are white people in Africa? And I was like, well, brother, I don't know what you want me to say Amazing um Well that that strikes off my next question I was gonna ask you so I guess I'll just skip over that. How do you feel about white people being there?

Too many of these days. Well that brings up an interesting question, an important question. How does the Trump administration feel about Danish people being in America? It seems like they're not so happy about that. Well, they think they're here to spread like social democracy or like what's the danger? You know? Well, okay, so this comes from a story that Aaron sent us before we started recording. It's in Mississippi today. A hardworking man in pursuit of the American dream.

Danish man living in Mississippi detained by ice at naturalization meeting His name is Casper Joel Erickson 32 Him and his wife have five kids five healthy white babies, which is like you would think that like For an administration that's so obsessed with like having healthy white babies like you would birth rates Yeah, you think that they would want that but like no this guy went in for his naturalization Hearing and they arrested him now. He's just been disappeared. Well. It's not like it's not like they deported the baby So I guess like you know true. They just supported it. That's true. They're just gonna have to be raised up by a single mom You know what I mean? Yeah, I um I don't mean them

I mean to make light of this is very badly. I probably should have I don't mean to make light of this, it's very bad. Yeah, probably should have made light of this. It's just like, what is going on here? Okay, so I guess I have several different thoughts or questions. Obviously, Trump wants a healthy white nation. Him and Vance, JD Vance have said this over and over again There they wouldn't fulfill the 14 they want to fulfill the 14 words. We're importing South Africaners white I'll say what's the 14 words?

There's no God but God and Yes, Tom, that's it it's like that meme like what's going on with the economy. Don't don't worry about it kitten No, it's like okay, so like yeah, you would think that they if they're if we're importing white South African ers to America under the Whole presumption that they're being oppressed and having their land stolen in South Africa It's obviously about the whiteness right so like

You would think that they would want to you know not fuck up the bag or you know not like you know not fuck up the bag or you know not like Ruffle any feathers by starting rock the boat too much right not rock the boat too much by like starting to deport like You know blonde Arians Or maybe it's this maybe it's this I used to play cars with a bunch of guys that like stacked the deck and you know they would like go to these games just knock these games over because they would just fuck everybody there. But occasionally you have to like sort of fold like the thing so it's not obvious. You know what I mean? For some people out there you think I just described the plot of Rounders but I actually

did play with a guy named Ty Moe Cornett that did the same thing. So I just want the plot of rounders But I actually did play with a guy named time no corner that did the same thing So I just want to say that for this I think Tom just described Ed Norton around You know I'm saying so everyone like yeah deport a bunch of South American guys or whatever you got a couple of Danes in There a couple Swedes in there just so it's not I would I would think that if Trump wasn't every day coming out and saying they're doing white genocide. So it's like, my thoughts, my theory is this. I don't know if this is even testable or not, if it's true.

My theory is that's another classic example of neoliberal ideology running You know headlong into what would be maybe a sort of older fascist ideology We're like they're so committed to the tenets of neoliberalism one of which is You know a sort of fortress conception of government governance and high deportation That they they can't see that like a natural fascist base for them would be the blonde hair blue-eyed Aryans and what I'm saying is that like they're pursuing there maybe pursuing some more like ideological goals I would almost say that they're pursuing the profit motive because there's so much money in like private prisons now for

immigrants like deporting immigrants but then that doesn't explain why they've tanked the economy over the last three months. You know what I think it is man and I've mentioned it before but I think it's sort of like I mean just just fascism sort of eating eating its own. Yeah, it could be it. Where like no one is white enough, no one is Aryan enough, where you begin to turn against each other. And maybe it also has to do with like

not even just whiteness generally or revering the Western world, which includes Europe, right? But maybe it's just literally, no, white Americans. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like this is America. Can I posit what I mean? Yeah, I pause this is America Can I posit an alternative theory? Yeah, please maybe they're concerned about creeping huga y'all familiar with the concept of huga HYGG it's like the Danish concept of coziness

Like having like a fire going and blankets and all that kind of stuff But there was a lot of books sort of written about this in the mid 2000s. It's like a European feng shui type deal maybe? Yeah, exactly, exactly. Maybe they think that American workers are gonna rest on their laurels if the Danes come over here with their pernicious ideology. And then really nobody will wanna work anymore

because we're too cozy. So it's creeping hooga. It's pretty dangerous to be too cozy that's true night maybe it has something to do with them what was that thing like way back when man when Republicans were renaming french fries freedom fries yeah maybe it's like now we not only have too many Danish over here but they're bringing too many actual danishes as in the pastry you know I mean oh dude that's it's not it. Yeah it's it's make

America healthy again it's an RFK junior thing it's like there are too many danishes circulating in the food system. And the Ascads didn't know any better so they went after the actual danes. Then we're gonna start uh you know, start deporting Great Danes themselves. Great Danes, yeah. Yeah, Great Danes, you can't beat, yeah. Renamed to Great Americans. These ice guys are not really earning those raises they got in the one big beautiful bill act.

Yeah, well, again, I don't mean to like make light of it. It's pretty's pretty bad. I mean, there's five kids now in Mississippi whose father has literally disappeared off the face of the earth for the last several months. But it's not the first time it's even happened to a white European, right? It's happened to several, like Canadians,

Germans, British. They are just, I think that maybe the best way to think about it is that like They they have started to conceive of governance as a sort of fortress nationalism and that means as we pointed out in the past like the The sort of Achilles heel of right-wing politics and nationalism is that like it doesn't have it can't be spread globally It doesn't have any kind of solidaristic

mechanism because it automatically It automatically assumes or forces you to be in a kind of conflict with other nationalities, even if those other nationalities are white, like on a long enough timeline you're going as probably best exhibited with the Canadian, the recent Canadian elections. Like the Canadian right wing can no longer be like, we love Trump because Trump hates Canada. You know what I'm saying? So it's like you can't run on that anymore.

And it also might be to just one more thing. It also might be to just the ICE fulfilling its role, you know, because I'm sure there are quotas, you know what I mean? So it's no longer even about ideology or race or ethnicity. That's true. Or how long you've been here. I just think that they have to fulfill these quotas so they're just looking at everyone. And maybe it's also, I mean I'm not, yeah I'm pretty sure

they're also probably using AI to facilitate this. So there's no actual logic or political consideration of the implications of doing this. It's just like, well you it we got to get these numbers out That's a good point Aaron because like immigrants coming in to America has like the number has

Precipitously just dropped collapsed since Trump got in office like no one's even trying to get in anymore So it's like you're right like they've got to arrest somebody they got to start deporting somebody Because they have to like yeah get those numbers up And also justify ice's exist and justify ice's exist exactly right that's true forget Well okay all right, so maybe that's a good place to pivot to The Democrats what's going on on the democratic quote-unquote left we had just pointed out the Jerry Connolly thing about Jerry Connolly dying the news about Joe Biden getting you know quote-unquote getting cancer. Can we just say this just for a

second this man basically accepted that he has to die of cancer if he's going to be the main boy because he couldn't show that like it's it's kind of insane we just saw that thing on the one doctor I think Terrence said it's the group chat went on like CNBC and he was like, oh no Biden probably had cancer in like 2021 right when he took office. Yeah. Yeah And like they just like they weren't even like Treating it on the side because they were I guess they were worried about the effects of chemo the optics of really Treating it on the side because they were I guess they were worried about the effects of chemo the optics of was he really?

So it's suffering suffering Something like not and I'm not talking like something worth giving your life for I'm talking like have y'all ever wanted to be like I don't know a fucking Alderman so bad that you would die for know a fucking alderman so bad that you would die for you know that is insane that's an insane person thing to do it's like a fostered bargain with your old help you know and to bring it back I mean this has already been forgotten but the reason he wanted it so bad was primarily, purely, solely because it looked like Bernie was going to win in 2020.

Like he was. He died for it. He's Jesus Christ. He died to make sure that Bernie... Democratic Jesus Christ That's how they were retcon this he died to save the country from trumpism and and then and then Just got back right back in that Yep No, it felt I remember at the time in 2020 it felt very much like July Monarchy shit

This is like we're gonna put in a placeholder here, because we can't allow the social democratic left to be anywhere near the levers of power. Like, no, of course not. We're not gonna negotiate the decline of this empire in any kind of sane, rational way. Like, no, we're putting the shotgun barrel in our mouths, guys, did you not get the memo? Of course.

It also really puts puts it also makes the abuse the threatened with the dying king sorry as an example like all his aids surrounded around his deathbed you know like I'm trying to trying to either get him to do things that they want or or you know give them power or anything like that and it really does feel like that example is more true than ever yeah because they just wanted to wring everything out of him while he was here in life. It could do Aaron They were taking his face and fucking stretching it out like it's the skin on a drum or like a banjo head Like every three days like that photo of him like I posted it on Twitter where he's talking about ice cream

And his fucking jaw looks like it's unhinging from his face like is like a griffis It looks like a goddamn ventriloquist doll like his mouth that okay his mouth doesn't even move you know I had to hear that he had the taut skin of a shrunken head brother Dude it's so gross dude the more you think about it like the longer you think about it So gross, dude. The more you think about it, the longer you think about it, it genuinely creeps me out, man, that we had a cryptkeeper as president for four years.

Trump is gross in his own way, right? Eating McDonald's all the time and fucking everything coated in three layers of spray tan and all this, his own gross shit. But Biden is like, it's like necrosis, right? It's like decomposition. It's like having your cat drag something in and you can start to smell the fucking death fumes

under the couch and then you pull it out and it's like a three week old decomposed squirrel or something. It's like- Or birds and shit or rats. Did we not see, I wonder if Joe Biden has maggots coming out of his hair sometimes. He's already decomposing, clearly. If his pores are filled with pus, you know what I mean?

That's a prerequisite to be a Democratic president. Didn't JFK famously have a hole in his back that he like He had with like a girdle and that like get infected and shit Damn what you about to say hid things in his in the hole in his damn Treats very pocket Cronin Bergen like when he was fucking Marilyn Monroe. She's probably finger in that hole hole. Then like LBJ like didn't LBJ like famously know that like the day he was gonna die or something crazy like that? Did he? Yeah I think he went to a doctor like in some like I don't know some of the whatever the medical technology was like at the time and that the doctor basically told him that like

you got like seven years left to live because he had like a Crazy amount of blockage in his heart. He had like a bad heart from I don't know whatever he was doing Texas diet smoking or whatever and Like he basically died when that doctor said he was gonna die and he He got it in his head so bad that it became like a self-fulfilling prophecy You know what I mean like instead of like trying to like of trying to optimize his lifestyle factors to make that incorrect. He just doubled out? He just, well, I guess he just retired and started drinking Cutty Sark on his ranch until

he died. Amazing. I mean, it's just, again, man, like I mentioned, some of the best doctors in the world. And I'm pretty sure they told him, this prognosis they told him. They could have literally even told him when he was gonna die exactly, the exact date and time. And again, he was like,

no better time for me to run for president than now. Meanwhile, telling us we're weird for pointing out that he's frail and weird in the head, you know what I mean? It just can't- can't not be stressed enough, like... He had to do it so that we did not get healthcare, so we didn't get student loan relief. Like, he had to do all these things. He had to die in a public, you know, necrotic fashion, in a slow motion, like, just disgusting horror show that like, the horror of it really keeps coming, becoming more and more apparent over time

as we learn more and more. Like, what else are we gonna learn, right? It's like, like his right foot, like, rotted off at some point, you know what I mean? Like they were trying- He's actually been dead. He did some weekend at Bernie shit. Yeah, yeah, that's actually a Joe Biden skin suit on Jerry Connelly Jerry Connelly got cancer from the Joe Biden skin

I Just Think about it too It's like also to not only is like you see like the sort of physical degeneration for us and now it comes with that Willingly to just you know, like fuck us all out of those things Terrence just mentioned but also to be to sort of publicly like but also to be to sort of publicly like put yourself out there when like your mental faculties maybe as a result of the disease process maybe just age and who knows whatever but in like people act like in 2020 this man mistake mistake mistake his mistake is something into mistake, mistake, is something. He misidentified his sister as his wife, you know? Yeah, yeah.

So not only does the whole world get to watch you sort of rot in a Cronenbergian fashion, the whole world, you also just like, just cement your legacy as like this old kook who's like clearly out of his mind while everybody's trying to gaslight us into thinking that No, no, no, man. He just he's having a senior moment or whatever Dude, I mean it's got the entire democratic party kind of stuck in this loop there is an Article in Politico Democrats are quote stuck in that unfortunate reality in debate over Biden's illness

What debate he's gonna die like 2026 What it what it partially what this story is about is how Biden Was sort of set to over the last few months reemerge as a from the crypt yes he was he was bringing he was being brought back to life for the tenth time with new macabre tales for all you kiddies. For a 10th season. And he was supposed to be a sort of fixture for Democrats to get through these difficult early months of the Trump back a failing, doddering old man for that is very bizarre in and of itself, but... Why would you bring back the guy who, like, the guy who, like, dropped out? You know what I'm saying?

The guy who clearly is not the future of the Democratic Party, you know? That is weird in and of itself, but what had happened was, as soon as the news dropped about the cancer diagnosis, he completely disappeared. And no one has heard from him since like like I'm talking like other Democratic Party operatives People who he was supposed to give speeches to all this he's just gone and so people are we and so what's it and so No, I was just gonna say like I was just gonna say like how do we know he's not already dead You know how do you know he did it to die But I have to say something I have to ask you boys if you remember this Yeah, I remember when he just curiously disappeared from the campaign trail during like the George Floyd protests for like two months

They know public appearances remember people were speculating that like that little when he did that proof-of-life video There was green screen and like a basement somewhere and people there was a deep fake people pointed out that his son Bo Biden the one that died from brain cancer He was when he was running for I think he was running for Senate They didn't tell anybody that he had glioblastoma that he had a brain tumor And so he was like on the ballot for months, but was gone He was just disappeared and people were like, what's going on?

And then he died and people were like, what the fuck? And then it came out afterwards that he had like a glioblastoma, he had this brain tumor. So it's like, it's just a family tradition, I guess, is what I'm pointing out. Yeah, yeah, it's a family tradition of death defying hubris, you know, for your political aims. It's very strange. of death defied hubris, you know, for your political aims, you know what I mean?

It's very strange. In this article, months removed from his presidency, Biden has receded as a fixture of his official Washington and has instead become a focal point of his party recriminations. His planned re-emergence after departing the White House, running headlong into a devastating health diagnosis and an unsettled party growing increasingly anxious in the wilderness.

Some Democrats said they are drafting notes or plan to speak with him. Christopher Kuhn said he was working on finding a time to connect with Biden. Lisa Blunt Rochester of Delaware said she had reached out to people very close to the family, blah, blah, blah. I mean, what I'm saying here is that like, the party is in the wilderness, right?

Like they don't know what the fuck to do. And they've been completely put into disarray over this. Over the fact that they, they know, like they know, they knew for a long time that he was infirm and like could not actually do this. For various reasons, they buried it deep down. They repressed it but it's you know, I think that they're now having to face that and It's really difficult to chart a path forward if you can't even be honest with yourself as to what happened

And what really happened is that they all felt like they had, like I've pointed out before, they had to rally around the leader because Israel was under attack. Our primary national security interests in the Middle East was under attack and we had to make sure that they could do this because they knew that they were gonna be taking heat over the fact that Israel was gonna be doing a genocide.

And so they needed to be in lockstep and united about that and that had the unfortunate effect of making ever making it impossible for anyone To call into question his mental state Right, right. I mean my contention is still that he died Shortly after the debate and that everyone who said that they that they were all in on it, you know, the whole liberal Intelligentsia all the interviewers all the politicians have been in on it and no one has actually spoken to him for the past like six months I see that he he after I remember after the flood in 2022 He came to Eastern Kentucky quote-unquote came to Eastern, Kentucky No one saw him the president of the United States came to a region where like I

You know I'd get word if Tom came to town or something like that. You know what I'm saying. It's like It's just like you can't come in and out of like a fucking Ten-county area as the president of the United States and no one sees you. I don't know. It's a little weird You just made me think about I was with a I was protested against Biden. This was like last year, you know, for Palestine and Jordan, Atlanta. And, you know, everyone is there because a lot of people are there because they want to see Joe Biden, but they're not going to see Joe Biden.

You're just going to see his car drive by with the tinted windows. And now I'm thinking like, was anybody in that car? Was it just all for show I don't know man dude it's well they have no way out as this article says like they've got no way out they don't they don't know what to do it's like this is very unlike 2004 like in the sense that like they can't They kind of shit the bed. So in 2004 you could you know, you could plausibly be like Oh, the war is wrong and sort of pin it on the Republicans a little more But like the Democrats have to own this one completely and wholly even though they did all completely support the Iraq War they could still like Feasibly like pretend like they didn't prior to that right I mean this this is this was like you know Obama's run right?

Right opposition to the war you know me, but like they can't run from this one It's just kind of I don't know it's gonna be hung over them. I think that like This is to tie this in with that Jared Connolly news, this is a really entertaining article that I wanted to maybe spend the rest of the episode talking about, um, before we speculate baselessly on whether the shooting at the Israeli embassy in, uh, D.C. Or wait, it wasn't even at the embassy, it was like at the, uh, Jewish museum. It was, it was at a Zion, it was at a Zion, it was, it was, it was, it was what, it wasn't even at the embassy. It was like at the Jewish It was at a site it was it was it was it was what it was some organization designs organization, okay? I don't know what it was exactly

We can speculate yeah baselessly on whether that was a false flag or really happened or not But before we get to that I wanted to mention this um New York Times article Democrats throw money at a problem countering gop clout online Private gatherings strategists and donors are swapping ideas to help the party capture the digital mojo that helped president trump win Yes, there's a price tag Okay um Six months after the democratic party's crushing 2024 defeat the party's mega donors are being inundated with overtures to spend tens of millions of dollars to develop an army of

left-leaning online influencers at donor retreats and in pitch documents seen by the New York Times Liberal strategists are pushing the party's rich backers to reopen their wallets for a cavalcade of projects to help Democrats as the cliche now goes Find the next Joe Rogan the proposals Yo, can I just say that they are so obsessed with doing anything besides politics? And I'm not talking about I'm not talking about like like swaying opinions, right? Public opinion through ads and through like that like that could be part of messaging right but they it's this is not actually Messaging this is not actually messaging this is not actually engaging with the public or engaging with your constituency this is a classic case of they're asking the

wrong question too like instead of asking who's the left Joe Rogan they need to be asking why have we let like you know podcasters have undue influence in society and I say that as a podcaster you know what I, podcasters have undue influence in society. And I say that as a podcaster. You know what I mean? And as a poster, you know what I'm saying? Their posting is what they're doing, yo. But also, it could also be this, it could also be them just thinking because they cannot

be honest with themselves as to why they lost last year, it could just be them thinking that podcasts are the reason Trump won. When in reality, the reason that Trump won was because they lost the most easily winnable election of all time because they could not call for a modicum of popular, you know, demands like arms embargo in Israel and free healthcare and that kind of stuff, right? Should it's pulling at like 70 and 80 percent. We're not talking about like 50-50 ball wedge issues, you know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah, it's like I've always been kind of skeptical of the notion that podcasts are what, I mean,

maybe it's just because I, or go ahead Tom. Oh no, I just, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to jump in there. Go ahead I'll just say that It's just it's just a pod podcasting is like I think people Sure, people might listen for information right that might sway their opinions, but a lot of it is entertainment, right? You know what? I mean, it doesn't translate into the real world, into real political action, but they're not concerned with actual political action or organizing people, right? This week, Theo Vonn had made this thing about like,

basically he called it a genocide, like what Israel is doing to Gaza. It got shared around on Twitter a lot, and then so this whole meta discourse got started because Obviously, we can't just talk about the real important things anymore. We have to talk about the meta discourse behind it And so the meta discourse was I can't believe y'all are gonna share a video from this guy who helped get Trump elected and whose? best friends are Ivanka and Jared Kushner and all this. And it's like, I mean, okay, I guess maybe I'm being hypocritical because now I'm going to engage in the medic discourse, but do you really think the Yvonne is the reason Trump got elected?

It's like, really? It's like, I don't think that that's the reason. I mean, maybe maybe we now live in a hall. You know, we live in a brave new world where podcasts do have the power to move mountains and fucking, you know, move the tectonic plates of history, but like, I just don't really see it that way. in 2016, Hillary supporters who were saying that Bernie Bros and the way that they were posting online, and the way that they were peddling through their posting, misogyny and just personal hatred, particular hatred of Hillary Clinton, that this was the reason why she lost. Yeah. So it's never actually, again, about the issues or about their own actions. It's always about,

this is why they're so obsessed with right-wing media and how to best right-wing media instead of like how to actually Defeat right-wing politics. Yeah yeah, and articulate a Political vision that would be inspiring and that would speak to people's lives and experiences The okay the proposals the scope of which has not been previously reported, are meant to energize glum donors and persuade them that they can compete culturally with President Trump, if only they can throw enough money at the problem.

Democrats widely believe they must grow more creative in stoking online enthusiasm for their candidates, particularly in less outwardly political forms of media like sports or lifestyle podcasts. Many now take it as gospel that Mr. Trump's victory last year came in part because he cultivated an ecosystem of supporters on YouTube, TikTok, and podcasts. The quiet effort amounts to an audacious, skeptics might say desperate, bet that Democrats can buy more cultural relevance online, despite the fact that casually right-winning touchstones like Mr. Rogan's podcast were not built by political donors and did not arise overnight. So far, there are still more ideas than hard-committed money. One democratic operative described compiling a spreadsheet of 26 active projects related

to creators, over a dozen of which are new since September, but a few of the efforts have ties to major donors that could give them lift off. Hopefully we're on that list, you know, funded by George Soros, of all people. Yeah, the first out the gate has been Chorus, a well publicized liberal non-profit co-founded by the Democratic influencer, Brian Tyler Cohen. liberal nonprofit founded It's not it's not who you're thinking Co-founded by the Democratic influencer Brian Taylor Tyler Cohen, but others have stayed under wraps until now in November miss McBride and other liberal donor Operatives gathered in Washington for a series of meetings to survey the election wreckage at the at the headquarters of American Bridge one of the largest democratic donor networks, they eventually hatched a plan for

a for-profit media company called ANDMEDIA, which stands for Achieve Narrative Dominance. ANDMEDIA, that's such a horrible fucking name, dude. Man, I mean, this is why they'll fucking forever lose, dog. You can't astroturf right like a culture like that You know what I'm saying? Like a media. Yeah, you know, this is what you're trying to do Is you're trying to you're trying to create it in organically and people one I think but think most people I think also too I have to say too. I think that I

They think that right wing culture is dominant, but I don't agree with that You know I really don't agree with that at least not in the the sense that if you look at TV or movies, right? It feels like that they very much have already won the liberal culture war, you know what I'm saying? It's just that the right wing is so loud, you know what I'm saying, and aggressive about it. But it's just also like you've already kind of won that sort of playing field, but you're

even shirking away from it especially when it comes to like LGBTQ rights or Otherwise you're just kind of pandering and it seems hollow, you know, but on the same on the same token though It's just like you can't ash with her like genuine enthusiasm like that, you know That's that's your problem that people know that you're fucking fake and phony You know, the problem is this is they've been chasing a unicorn for 20 fucking years. You know what that unicorn is? It's the narrative.

They're chasing, they're trying to achieve narrative dominance and it's like, it's just like the vapor in the wind, you know what I mean? It's not a real thing. Like the narrative you're chasing, you should have been addressing material concerns instead what you did you've been trying to change the narrative I've not heard a liberal not use the word narrative in a sentence in decades Uh-huh there a lot of control it. They want to achieve narrative dominance This is the final boss of the thing and then the problem is is this everybody's moved on from narrative final boss of the thing and then problem is this everybody's moved on from narrative narrative doesn't exist anymore work like we're talking about

words I'm saying soft spot what I mean sore spot things don't even matter anymore so narratives are an assemblage of words no I think the thing is you're right the the liberals have cultural hegemony still, regardless what the Democrats... That's why it's so bizarre, right? It's like, dude, I remember seeing Barbie in southwest Virginia, quote-unquote Trump country, in Wise County, Virginia, and that motherfucker was packed, not an empty seat in the fucking house. People still love liberal cultural products the thing is Well the thing what I was gonna say is that the thing is is these older forms of media movies

TV shows that kind of stuff even books Yeah, that actually makes a lot of sense books TV shows movies the older forms of media Are and were still dominated by a cultural hegemony liberal hegemonic liberalism the risk like the insurgent forms of media made possible by like technologies like our phone and stuff like streaming Podcasts that's probably a little more even. I don't know, maybe it's 50-50,

maybe it is weighted more towards the right wing. But to the extent that it is, that doesn't necessarily mean that the culture at large is right wing. It doesn't necessarily mean that all these new forms of media are uniformly right wing. And it doesn't mean that just because even if they were-wing. And it doesn't mean that just because, even if they were uniformly right-wing,

it doesn't mean that that has a decisive effect on politics. It might, it might not, I don't know. I don't even know, like, I couldn't say whether that's true or not. But I think what I'm getting at is, it's just a change in Political economy that to them is a convenient scapegoat for why they're so fucking bad at what they do And I mean, I don't know

It's just you I don't know you can't throw millions of if someone wants to give us millions of dollars to make us the new Joe Rogan like fine, but then you're gonna run into a problem, which is this. You're not gonna find a single fucking person who's good at what we do, Chapo, Hassan, any of these other fucking people in this sphere that agree with the message they want you to say, which is that Israel has a right to exist and that it's not a genocide. You shrink your pull dramatically. You're basically left with two of the three pot Johns. Yeah. I mean, also too, I was gonna say Terrence, that's a good point about the the new media, but even if you wanted to give, they wanted to give people like us right, or you know, prominent liberals or left leaning individuals

like this money to continue to spread their message. I think inherently in these media technologies, like with the internet, social media, is that it sort of allows room for, as much as possible, for debate, right? For a differencing of opinions, you know what I mean? And they don't want that, you know? They want to control and create a narrative.

They don't actually want to use that media to interrogate anything, whether it's, I mean, besides, I guess, Republican policies that they always end up supporting, but especially their own policies, right? Like support for Israel, you know? I think also another thing that I'm thinking of that you

just something you said made me think of which was that the reason Joe Rogan is popular is because he does engage with what we would call maybe the e-crisis the epistemological crisis and by that I mean the foundations the tenets of Liberal democracy liberal capitalist democracy they're built on a set of assumptions one of which is that science is this Basically, you know always correct empirical Endeavor that should be endeavor that should be upheld at all times, at all costs, whatever. Which is whatever. I mean, I agree with that in the sense that, like, yes, I consider myself an enlightened, you know, leftist, an enlightened, you know, science person, but at the same time like Capitalism has started to unravel all of those premises

And by I mean just for example like let's just take the pharmaceutical for industry for example the the power and the capacities and resources of modern science have given us an Ability to deal with disease and pathology like we've never seen before But once you introduce the profit motive to that suddenly you've got opioid crisis. You've got people on SSRIs You've got people Taking antibiotics when you they don't need them and creating superbugs. You know what I mean? You've got all these problems that are starting to That the profit motive is warping like the profit mode is obviously necessitates their existence

You know exactly stuff because these people got to make their money back or whatever Exactly and and the thing is is people understand that at an intuitive level They see that like our reliance on quote unquote big pharma is quote unquote killing us. They misdiagnose it as science and technology as such when really the culprit is capitalism, the profit motive and all this. But you're not gonna find a single liberal

that says any of that. Because they're the ones that have the signs that say, in this house we believe in science, blah blah blah. But they can't take the next step and then indict or condemn capitalism. The thing is, most people, they deal with this on a day-to-day basis, especially in the society that we live in that is becoming more and more dangerous and volatile and unhealthy precisely because of right-wing policies. Those right-wingers can then capitalize on that and basically funnel you into more forms

of either the healthcare industry, profit-driven healthcare industry, or pseudoscience stuff, like supplements and all this shit. Like this guy that is RFK's right-wing advisor, his name is Cali Means, healthcare entrepreneur. Cali Means? Cali Means, he's a healthcare entrepreneur. He used to be a lobbyist for Coca-Cola,

and now he has a startup where they take your savings and puts it into like, supplements and saunas and shit like that. I mean, I mean dude, what I'm saying is that like, the liberals cannot have a Joe Rogan of the left because they can't engage with the warping, distorting effects of capitalism. Like they don't deal in those terms. They're not even willing to interrogate it even if they come up with the wrong conclusions. You know what I mean? Well, it's also if you're like hell-bent on finding your answer to Joe Rogan or whatever, and you're looking to a guy like Hassan who's one of the handful of biggest streamers in the world, like it seems to me if what you're trying to do is to compel people to come in, maybe you would like pivot to thinking about the things that all those people that listen to him are interested

in. Like why is he popular to begin with? You know what I mean? Right. You know what I mean? It just makes no sense. It's like oh so yeah so what are you trying to engineer here? Like well they're like they're engineering it backwards You know what I mean? They're trying to get that organic You know organic I guess you know media sphere for their policies without understanding like you said like mentioning Why are these media spheres? Why are these people popular in the first place? You know because they're starting from the policies there. You know, it's the same thing with the abundance shit It's like if you just throw enough money behind

any astroturf campaign, you can make it look popular. That's why the abundance people are quote unquote popularists. They claim to speak for this silent majority of people who really want more development and rents to keep going up and all this shit. It's just like, I don't know, it's just like their aversion to anything

that would make people's lives better has kind of painted them into this corner where now they're gonna try to give $45 million to some kid fresh out of college just so he'll repeat the same things that they want and say over and over meanwhile he has an audience of three people. Like, it's just like, it's the same thing, it's the same reason for like why, like, you know,

Bernie is obviously a really popular politician, but it's like they don't want to ask why, it's just because he must be manipulating people, or he must be like, he's cheating in some way, the political process or something, right? It's like they can't actually address the the fact that this is popular stuff right and Also to to go back to go back to the you know the gerontocracy you know within the Democratic Party It's like I'm pretty sure that a lot of this money would go to like younger people, like Gen Z or millennial influencers, you know? People who use these technologies.

But it's incongruous with their own party because their party is full of corpses, right? So it's like, on the one hand, you have people like they're pushing the party line, but then, I mean, and I don't know how far left they're willing to go. I mean, a question of Medicare falls out of you're willing to go I mean a question of Medicare for all is out of the question any of these policies that Bernie ran

was out of the question but on top of that you have old people in office who are actually the ones getting the shit done that you're peddling to people you know what I mean and they don't even agree with that's why they want to get 45 million dollars so it's I'm 22 year old out of college if you would have come to me at that age I've been like oh you have a good voice why don't you be a podcaster? Here's 40 million dollars, and you have to say that we Can't do Medicare for all

But we'll give you a child income tax credit if you make over a hundred thousand dollars a year And you live in a zip code with an odd number you know I mean it's like Like you would you would make that deal. I'd make that deal at 22 Yeah, did that mean scruples of that And media incorporated in March says it is aiming to raise 45 million dollars over the next four years The group hopes to have a 70 million dollar budget over that timeframe based on predictions of 25 million dollars in revenue Who the fuck is if this was gonna work wouldn't pod save America have made it work, right? it's like it's it's it's a question of personality and charisma like

it's This this seems like a racket bro to put money into the pockets of the consultants, which it always yeah. Yeah, that's Yeah I like this it says it is raised seven million dollars so far miss McBride and Christian Tom who led digital strategy for the Biden White House Christian Tom Is that a person it's like that was me in 2001 His last name is Tom T. O. M Christian Tom It's got to be is like his's like stage moniker right? I'm Christian Tom

He's a symptoms character Christian Tom Hoping to move away from the quote current didactic hall monitor style of democratic politics that turns off younger audiences and Media will focus on directly funding influencers and co-producing their content Opening a creator talent agency and starting by inking deals with the four flagship creators For flagship creators our mascots, you know, are we gonna do record labels for content creation as essentially what they're doing those do already exist but um but I mean it's just once again it's like okay so you're going to move away from the current didactic hall monitor style of Democratic politics that turns off

younger audiences and then you're gonna pivot to telling them exactly what they're supposed to say like you're gonna pivot to a didactic hall monitor style of Democratic politics that turns off younger audiences? It's like, the younger audiences hate Israel. They hate genocide. They want healthcare. They want workers' rights. These are the things the young audiences want. Like, that's just- They want to erase student debt, something Biden ran on and promised to to never had wasn't able to do actually you know We're so spiritually dead aren't we? Just like we're not even just not even

even anything approaching human anymore except from flesh and blood we're just It's so fucking depressed. I don't mean to turn negative here on the 25th hour, but fucking hey, I like Mr.. Birkenfield from project bullhorn Is seeking to raise 35 million dollars in the first year for project bullhorn and you aligned work? He is largely trying to amplify existing influencer networks an early recipient of the money He raises will be a fun backing left-leaning creators on YouTube another will be a quote matchmaking service to book these creators on YouTube shows and podcasts We can't afford to wait Did you say yo can I can I just say to for some reason I had to look up the movie cuz I you said

Project bullhorn. Yeah for some reason I was thinking that I movie bull worth Yeah, yeah with that politician because like a rapper what they're gonna what they're gonna do is they're gonna lead it They're gonna lead it to the hip things that kids like you know I'm saying dude one of the top aides on former VP Kamala Harris's 2024 campaign Rob Flaherty Flaherty Flaherty in a digital media executive Mike Vainese have been in conversations with donors in recent weeks ahead of what is expected to be a multimillion dollar fundraising round for a new for-profit company called Channel Zero The group is meant to provide back office services to content creators who already have large followings

Well, they haven't approached these all just sound like show companies Well, they haven't approached that. These all just sound like shell companies, dude. All of this just sounds like a way to make the work, the people that are influencing the Democratic Party and their horrible decisions, like the consultants, you know what I'm saying? It just sounds like it's just a way to make all these people money and make them rich, yo. Another one is called- Jared, go ahead, Tom.

I was, Channel Zero is already a thing, too, right? So like a kind of a short-lived like hip-hop version of Beavis and Butthead I thought it was that thing we watched in middle school where they would like Maria Menounos would tell you that like George Bush had Alex Sands and Tanaka's McClain. I should know all their names Thought it was but I might be I might be wrong was that it was channel something she would come on and be like today president Bush gave toilet paper to three Africans and now you can't pump now you can't pump gas

without her talking to you yeah another one of these is called project echo project bullhorn project echo channel zero channel. These are all loser names Double-tap democracy So bad oh my god Rachel Irwin incorporated double tap late last year She received an initial grant of about a quarter million dollars from future forward and has raised money from some Silicon Valley donors We can't keep running these programs late in the cycle only to break down after or treat these relationships as transactional and expect success Every day we don't engage online is a missed opportunity and we can't afford to wait you already engage online and you suck That sounds like me in 2016 when I first got on Twitter every day that I don't engage

Dude all they do is engage online. That's all they do Man also, I don't know why you need money to post yo Pay people but I mean come on dude, we do that. That's your free bro. Oh Where there's just nothing left though, you know what I mean, it's like it's like service industry posting or just be rich already be rich It's so true, man. Aids to the liberal donors George Soros and Lorene Powell Jobs held an idea-thon

in February in Washington. Oh my God, an idea-thon. Channel zero, what's that channel? Yeah, is it channel zero or is it project zero? Is it channel zero? We're gonna have an idea-thon on project zero. Like this month, about 50 digital operatives presented their proposals at a hotel in Austin, Texas At an event organized by Civic resolve a think tank backed by a Walmart air a gathering host

I'm gonna dissolve back to my home, oh my God. Oh my God. Like oxymoron, dog, what the fuck? The key is building off what's already resonating and investing in it, he said. If it all goes into more tools for delivering poll-tested messaging, it'll fall flat with its audience. Poll-tested messaging.

Dog, if you're throwing ideas, Fess, for your headliners,ssa slotkin. I'd probably turn away from my poll tested fucking ideas Well, it's just like I look I mean We're not the biggest podcast on the left. We're not even in the top fucking tin probably But we are part of a constellation of several other podcasts But we are part of a constellation of several other podcasts that speak to a number of issues that, you know, are popular, just judging by the popularity of some of the podcasts in our sphere, like Choppo and Truenon and QAnon Anonymous and Know Your Enemy and all those... There's a ton of shows that like make a ton of money because they have a lot of followers.

And obviously there's Hassan and there's, I don't know anything about the streaming world so I can't speak intelligently. The surfs and some of the young surfs. Yeah, maybe that's one of them too. The bread tube motherfuckers. Yeah, bread tube, right. There's all kinds of stuff.

I mean, like I said, maybe maybe you are Enterprising entrepreneur you're like I want to put all this into one place make it like a channel or a network or something to link These together to give them more resources That would never happen because The people in this article would never countenance the message that we are putting out there Which is basically that Palestinians are human beings and Don't deserve to be genocided Which is you know our main message right now?

But like obviously our message revolves around a number of other issues like climate change is bad You know capitalism's killing the world that kind of stuff.. I mean, you think that a media network backed by a Walmart heir is gonna be talking about raising the bit of a wage or something like that? Yeah, no. I mean, come on. And they might be, because there is that guy, Cox Media guy that puts a bunch of, I mean, I've never met him, I don't even remember his name name but gives a bunch of money to a bunch of different like left of chambers Fergie you know chambers yeah yeah I met him for yeah every now

and Cox is out of Atlanta yeah yeah every now and yeah an error will drop a bunch of money in sort of like a left-wing project. But it's, I just don't, what they're referring to, you're not going to build, you're not going to get a Joe Rogan overnight. And furthermore, it's like I said a second ago, like, I think that people, I don't know why, you know, I think people probably tune into Joe Rogan because he's got like a wide spectrum of of ideas and and guests and stuff that come on And um, and I think maybe people just like you've been more amenable too lately

Yeah me Yeah, yeah Like who who have I been more mean? No, I just mean the ancient aliens. Oh, yes, of course Who who have I been more mean what the I just made in the ancient alien. Oh, yes Of course. Yes, I mean, I'm definitely into the ancient aliens and this show is I'm trying to get more ancient aliens programming on this show But the brass is not letting me do it as you can see They're trying to censor me and shut me down As you all thanks cocks media But uh Thanks Cox Media. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha the shooting that occurred last night um to Israeli diplomats or like maybe they worked in the Israeli embassy

one of which wasn't even Jewish one of them was Christian he was a Christian Zionist um how's that work out? like why was he working in the Israeli embassy or why was he shot or why was he a Christian Zionist? can you just be a Christian and Move to Israel and How does that how does Israel even work

Well theoretically, okay No one this is why it's actually I needic, no one wants to actually fucking live there. They let the Christian Zionists live in America, where it's like okay to live. They send the Jewish Zionists to Israel, where it's like, alright, we're gonna conscript you into the military, and you know, you get your leg blown off. I'm not saying, I'm not saying have sympathy for Israelis, I'm just saying that like, they're too fucking stupid to realize, like, they're kind of getting the raw- They're like, they're kind of getting a father in the judge Yeah, they're kind of yeah, they're kind of getting the raw end of the deal like

When it comes to American Empire Well in fairness though you can you can move up the ranks of society at a fairly young age there You know you're a general by the time you're 21. Yeah, that's true. It's also might might have your life expectancy That's true. It's also might might have your life expectancy Yeah, you command the fuck apparently command a fucking army before you can take the legal drink over there so Yeah, then all I'll say is cuz I It's like it's like when these things happen There are certain like people and obviously Zionists, you know of either side of the aisle or going to condemn this you know because they refuse to acknowledge the fact that the

state you know the Zionist state you know has the monopoly on violence the United States has the monopoly on violence and killing two people fundamentally would not change anything and that's kind of I guess the message for because I've seen some people on the left who've been saying that this is just, you know, this is bad, this is bad for us, which if you're talking about us, I didn't know that pro-Palestinian protesters

in the United States were actually the biggest victims of the genocide. I'm not trying to say that people aren't getting, you know, locked up and shit, but I mean, come on, you know what I mean, but um nothing again nothing Well, this will fundamentally not change anything. It won't speed up. It won't it won't it won't accelerate You know locking up pro-palestinian protesters. It won't I mean if we're talking about a genocide How worse can that already get you know what I'm saying? You mean you mean for the people in Gaza, right? You're talking about people in Gaza, right? So I mean this and also too

I just think that people confuse one person's act of conviction with a larger political movement or strategy Yeah, and I'm just mean maybe this is like kind of maybe this kind of pessimistic to say I don't see a strategy I don't see a strategy because it feels like we're facing this implacable enemy and I don't know how you break through Without some extreme action and sometimes it's taken by individuals But that doesn't mean that oh well We're gonna suffer for who what the fuck are you talking about you know I mean well It's you've seen this over the course of the last week or so because The genocide has entered us another phase. I mean the fun Israeli finance Minister Smotrich was

You know on record last week saying we are going to bring Untold destruction upon Gaza and no one is stopping us and so You know as the left in America, you know, you have to ask yourself like what are we doing wrong? Like what why have we not been able to stop this in any way? Why have we not been able to intervene in any way? It's our, I mean, it's, after all, it's our bombs and our money and resources that's going to fund it, our political system that upholds it. And so then you ask yourself, like, what does that stagnation mean? Like, why can't we actually, like, intervene? Like, what does that mean for us as, like, political subjects? Uh, for activists, for people who want a better world?

And, um, what I'm saying is that there is a pervasive sense among a lot of people of helplessness. And in that situation, not only helplessness, but, uh, as you've pointed out, Aaron, like, they're already rounding up pro-palestine protesters like it's not like it's not like It's gonna start. It's not like they're gonna suddenly start arresting people for their views They fucking locked up a girl because she wrote an op-ed I mean like this is already happening So I guess what I'm saying is like when you feel the fucking hammer coming down When you feel the walls closing in like of course people are going to

Act out in certain ways. I mean it's kind of like I saw someone tweet like You know It's abhorrent to kill embassy officials or like civilians and now basically what you were saying a second ago Aaron like now This is gonna make it even harder for our work, and it's like Sure, whatever. I mean like okay, but like at the same time It's kind of like after October 7th like some of these things are a matter of physics like for every action There's an equal and opposite reaction. So it's like how can you really sit here and moralize about any of this? It's like things I mean if anything this is because this has been allowed to go on for so fucking long

That we're now seeing like our fucking screens are not no longer only plastered with children with their heads blown off and arms and legs blown off but like Skeletal like you know mass starvation You know people crying in the street passing out in the streets and then their finance minister Smotra just telling the world like we're going to kill them all and you're not gonna do a thing about it And so what do you fucking expect? No one has done anything to stop this I mean, I mean dude, it's kind of like I mean hopeless analogy isn't um, it's not a pocket But it's sort of like saying that the Black Panther Party and their revolutionary

tactics, which weren't rooted and it was rooted in community self-defense, right? But that's to say that, well, that doesn't help the Black cause, you know what I'm saying? The plight of African Americans in this country. And it's like, well, I mean, it's pretty fucking shitty. You know what I'm saying? There's a reason why these movements, as you said, as a reaction, you know what I'm saying, as like a recognition of like what must be done. And I'm not going out there telling anybody to do anything,

but again, when you push people this far, and when you bear the face of just like, you mean, just genocide, and I mean, actually like feels like true evil, like almost in like this metaphysical way, you know? What do you expect people to do, you know? What other, and I mean also again, if you just look at this guy,

some of the posts that he was making, you know what I'm saying? I mean, purely genocidal posts. These are genocide heirs, right? By the way, these are not even, you can't even say that these are not, they're not, the guy you're talking,

yeah, the guy, yeah. They're not, they're the civilians, but you could say they're enemy combatants in a genocide, right? Ideologicallyologically right? Well, I'm saying yeah, I mean like if you are an Israeli citizen Yeah, you are enlisted in the military at 80 age 18. I mean you are conscripted or goes jail Yeah, I mean that's the that's the bargain I

Think the thing is is like kind of like once again I mean, I don't even know right like some people are saying it's a false flag Some people had posted this interview. I saw from the head of Mossad giving an interview with 60 minutes Months ago where he was like the world is our stage. We are the best producers and film directors We can orchestrate anything around the world like and I think that's so creepy He was talking about like the pager attacks in Lebanon But people people were posting that is proof that like maybe this is a false flag I don't know I can't I can't say what it is or isn't

But I think the thing is it's like like you were saying Aaron like you can only push people around so much You can only push people far enough with like psychic terror. It's just like The people I mean so much you can only push people far enough with like psychic terror. It's just like The people I mean when Sinwar took charge of Hamas One of the first things he did and people forget this it was Sinwar's idea to do the march on the fence

In on Gaza right like the the the peaceful protests the nonviolent process that was Senor Like he like they had practiced violence for so long Senor came in and basically was like, all right Well, why don't we it's violence isn't working So why don't we try a peaceful protest a nonviolent solution and then they didn't work because then Israeli soldiers We're just sniping children in the knees and taking out old people and American journalists And so then Sinwar sits down and says well, all right, then we're gonna have to violence isn't working slowly, you know slow Gradual violence isn't working non violence isn't working. So the only thing left to us

Non-violence isn't working so the only thing left to us Pinned in this little enclave getting sniped at every fucking day starved having our calories Calculated down to the most minute degree the only thing that's gonna work is a spectacular show of violence and military intervention and so once again It's like you can moralize about that all you want But at the end of the day, who are you? Who are we to fucking say? I mean, it's just like for every action. There's an equal and opposite reaction. Like these things are kind of like rooted in the natural dynamics of history and I'm not saying that this guy who shot this guy

who shot these two people was this guy who shot this guy who shot these two people was pro-palestine he did make a pro-palestine statement I did see his like manifesto circulating it seems like he was but I don't know maybe there is a debate to be had over people who act individually and autonomously and rogue you know what I mean like Hamas decided to do October 7th as a group? Whereas this person decided to do it all on his own and maybe we suffer the consequences but I kind of view it more as like well, this is kind of like Yeah, you have to expect that kind of thing to happen You have to expect that thing to hat kind of thing to happen if you don't fucking push for a ceasefire if you let

Israel just keep doing whatever the fuck they want to do like You're probably gonna see more of that like I'm just calling it straight down the middle. That's all I've ever done on the show I'm calling it fucking balls and strikes like you fucking keep allowing this to go on. That's probably what's gonna fucking happen It's like violence will be usually met with violence. That's usually the fucking way this works That's the way the world is kind of operated since time immemorial and I mean also to you know Forgive me the you know the sci-fi reference man, but everybody wants to be and or you know what I'm saying Everybody wants to be a revolutionary and all these like spectacular like you know movies and shows you know

But then when either someone actually has the conviction or when it's time to do that nobody actually wants to do it I'm not saying that anyone should prepare themselves for that kind of violence, but it's happening. You know what I mean? And some people, when you push people so far, given their personal conviction, I mean, these are the things that will happen. Part of the reason people were saying it's a false flag is that it did feel like there was kind of a vibe shift this week Primarily because like you know the Avon had made this like sort of impassioned Speech about this with being genocide and you started to see even some news outlets

finally start to end you know directly name Israel as causing a famine and I Good. Oh, yeah So you started to see it like you know you had like Joaquin Phoenix some of these like actual big bankable movie stars Speak out for Palestine which is something that a lot of them have kind of dilly-dallied about you know for for years now You know and you started seeing more and more people just not being afraid of that Yeah in a place where you traditionally they had been afraid to say anything about that

and I think my personal thoughts on that is I genuinely think it's because Americans and people in the West they can countenance like a certain degree of violence and you know guns and missiles and shit as like a unfortunate byproduct of Oppression because then they can rationalize that as war. It's like, well, maybe they're bombing hospitals, but Hamas does rockets. But the minute they start to see all these starved children, babies with swollen stomachs and their ribs exposed and old men passed out in the streets, at that point you can no longer deny to yourself like it's a genocide because like I mean

Americans have been raised on a fucking diet of this shit like Darfur and like Rwanda and you know what I mean like all this like stuff about like starvation and and it's generally kind of like a marker of of a genocide right like if if one Community one nation can starve out another, that means there's a power dynamic there. There's an imbalance, an asymmetry. And I think that Americans, like, they kind of can understand that.

And I think that it's like, I think that vibe shift is primarily because of the massive amounts of starvation that we had started to see over the last week. Because also, that's another thing, American media outlets won't show children that have had their heads blown off and like maimed and stuff like that.

They're not gonna show that on Nightline News, but they will show starving children. You know what I'm saying? It's like, I don't know how many times I saw that growing up just from like Africa or fucking Eastern Europe and shit. Like. Right, right. You know what just made me think about, man, I was thinking about this before we got on because I rewatched that clip of Trump talking to the South African president.

And just the fact that, how can I put it, just the fact that Trump would show so-called evidence of white genocide. But this is not something that politicians, I mean, by activists, sure, right? But this is not something that, I mean, I don't know, maybe I'm wrong, but has there ever been a fucking, has there been anyone in the House and the Senate, any politician at all, any one of these prominent people that have stood in front of a camera

and showed people images of starving children, of dismembered Palestinian children, of the complete chaos and devastation that were wreaking upon that country, helping wreak upon that country. No one, it's like just seeing it, we see it a lot in our feeds and our social media, but it's just something that you don't see on TV.

But you're right, Terrence, because I think it's this very kind of 90s thing where we were gonna solve world hunger, right? So there'd be all these organizations that have commercials that you could donate to and you see starving children and you know and feeling like god damn Like that's that's that's bad. I don't like that. You know, they'll show they'll show that and it's like okay, but to connect it to the larger Settler colonial project, you know that Israel is like perpetuating. It's like well, I guess like to to

Embass to ambassadors. That's not something that's supposed to happen, right? But this genocide, though, writ large, even including the starvation, but particularly the genocide writ large, well, that's just how things are, right? Yeah, I think to the extent that there was a vibe shift, that's probably why that guy shot them. I mean, genuinely, I think that there was a kind of I think there has once again I think there's been several phases in this since October 7th that have Sort of switched public opinion and that have pushed people in certain directions

I've not taken the time to actually sit down and map it all out But you could probably map out at least three or four different phases for example like I remember in May 2024 last year Biden saying like For example, I remember in May 2024 last year, Biden saying, we have to have a ceasefire by the end of this month. And probably the reason he was saying that is because he fucking knew how bad it was gonna be for the election.

Now we know that they never actually gave a fuck about Palestinians. They were only really interested in it to the extent that it might damage their chances in the election. And then they just gave up on it altogether and were like, all right, well, fuck it. We can do this. Pure hubris.

But like I said, there's been several phases of this. That was the end of another one. Then I think the late election phase really was very cynical and just completely disgusting, right? People at the DNC plugging their ears as they were walking by And then like another phase started once Biden was out and Trump was in and then I think that like you know, we're now seeing once again another phase in which they've been trying to negotiate the ceasefire over the last several months and

It hasn't gone anywhere Primarily because Israel keeps sabotaging the entire thing America keeps letting them do it, but now they are Starving Gaza out they were already starving Gaza not letting a lot of aid in but I mean it is of a proportion that I can't even sum up and put into words and I think that like I said, I just think that like That would probably make a lot of people go insane if you have a fucking moral compass and moral center You know what I mean? And like you've been watching this on unravel in the last what almost two years now 16 months or so 18 months like it's it's I

Don't know. I just like once again. I just like what do you expect? I just don't think I just don't know how you would like I don't know how you'd moralize on this like you know what I mean at this point I don't know. I don't know how you would do it out on October 7th either But like that was some people's first rodeo, but even then like I don't even know how you would moralize on it at this point I mean just just think about like feeling gas, you know, for like over a year now, you know, and just seeing all this death and destruction and people telling you that it's not a genocide or you know this is really about Hamas. I mean it's enough to make you go fucking crazy, you know.

Yeah. It is. It is. I mean, and there's no shortage of things in America to facilitate you committing an act of extreme violence as well. So I mean, I mean this is a belabored point, but I feel so I mean, I don't know. I'm not saying like i'm not flagging myself as a person of interest, but like You are they're also just creating a condition where I mean in our vernacular our brains brains are breaking, but like,

I've just felt like so existentially depressed and like there's just no kind of anything after this type of feeling, you know what I mean? And it's like engendering that in like a whole generation, you know, and I've got like things going for me, you know what I mean? So I couldn't imagine like how if somebody's out there like, you know,

not doing so well and like having to live through this all at the same time. I mean, it's just like, I don't understand how, you know, they're creating the conditions for shit like that to happen and they could easily stop it is the thing. If you want to moralize about political violence and like what's acceptable, what's not acceptable, all this kind of stuff. Like there are people in power that could stop it today, you know? But sadly we live in a system where some people have to die so some people can live comfortably and all this kind of thing. And I don't know, I'm like you guys, I just don't understand the point of like, I mean, like we're going to view this one day. I mean, this is like the most trapped point in the world, but we're going to view this

one day as, you know, in the same neighborhood as like, you know, the Jewish Holocaust in Europe, you know, and it's like, would we moralize about like Nazi tactics, you know, or like, or like, or like going after a Nazi, you know what I mean? We can bicker amongst each other about what's strategic and not or whatever. You know what I mean? But like, you know, we can all agree on that. Like, you know, when you're facing a world historic evil, you know, like Gaza, you know,

like the Holocaust, whatever. That like, that's going, people are going to feel the way about that and respond accordingly. Yeah. And you that's just that's just what it is You know the notion that you just push it down and not have any feelings about it is fucking insane Yeah, 100% I mean I like it till to your point to Tom It's just like you know for people who I mean clearly you know the the Nazis Hitler I mean this was an omnicidal project that wasn't

going to stop at any cost, right? It was only going to accelerate and continue. This is why people are now, people today, they don't say, well, the allied powers and all the anti-fascists that fought the Nazis, maybe they should have sat down and talked with them like it's cut and dry. But it's not until we're too far out removed from that, where hopefully things do improve, Palestine is free, you know, there's a, like a multicultural,

multi-religious like state, you know? You know, God willing, but yeah, people are gonna look back and they'll be like, well, maybe no action was too extreme, right? To rid the world of this fucking cancer, you know? Yeah, well, and something that you said is this, and just tying this back to what we were talking about a second ago, something that you said, Tom,

is just like, if you're younger, like imagine not only not having any of the same socioeconomic opportunities, but also starting to see your speech getting more and more restricted and your political avenues for change being closed off. Like with regards to like, let's talk about like the Democratic Party or something like that. It's just like in a healthy functioning democracy that wasn't committed to its own self-annihilation, there would be some vehicle or apparatus to harness that

fear and rage and say and deploy it collectively, deploy it in ways that wouldn't be like stochastic forms of violence or something like that. But we don't have that. They have tried every step of the way to make sure that the left cannot Articulate itself and could not assert itself at any level of politics And part of that's on us We can't just sit go into the room and just be like let us at the table You know what I mean like you can't actually you know what I mean like

At the end of the day we have no way of making them listen to us or you know Allow ourselves in and and that means we have to build our own institutions and our own movement and all this stuff But I also do just want to point out that like if you're somebody like Bernie Sanders the people on the left fringes or fringes or margins of the Democratic Party like The inability to actually Deploy your movement and people towards something that would harness that rage that is also a world historic failure So it's just I'm casting a wide net here

But anytime something like this happens, it's like you want want to moralize about a single person, a single individual's actions? It's like, look at what the fuck is going on. No one has any hope. They feel completely helpless to stop any of this. They can't even do anything about it in the long, tell themselves that anything will happen in the long run because what the fuck is going on? You can't even, you can't, you're not even allowed in the fucking DNC or within the democratic orbit if you say anything remotely sympathetic to the Palestinians right right and to the international so-called liberal international order you have institutions like you know the the International Criminal Court you know the United Nations right who have like call this genocide right and still

right nothing is changed yeah they won't do a thing as a personal power You know do anything. Oh, you know it's just the parent the paralysis Right across the board not just in America, but across the West and across the world Just like in the fact that there's really one or two fucking groups The Houthis right that are gonna do anything about it. It's just like That's extremely inspiring on one level on another level It's extremely depressing that only you know a ragtag group of extremely convicted and morally correct people in Yemen are doing to do

Anything about it, but nobody else will like nobody, nobody will fucking intervene. Like, I don't know, it just... Meanwhile, like, yeah, Ireland will send diplomats and they'll get fucking shot at. But that's not a provocation to the UN. The fucking ICC prosecutor having his bank account closed and basically being hounded, gang stalked by like United States official, you know, CIA agents or whatever whatever the fuck that's not a provocation to do anything like this is a global fucking crisis It's just it's I don't know like when is the globe going to react to address the guys

Man I Just think yeah people people just need to stop moralizing, man. Just like, just cut the shit. Well, it reminds me of like this David Fringe thing I read after Trump got into office, where he was like, the last thing the left needs is a tea party for the left. And, yeah, I mean, I agree, that would be goofy as fuck. But the basic premise, though, was was like you can't fight fire with fire And it's like brother the fire has already begun like they started the battle

In the fire yeah, they're already like they have already drawn first blood like you can't like reason with Someone who is like ready to kill you like you know what I'm saying like you can't really like it's it's just talk your way Out of it, and that and that's not to say that is not the same thing as saying like Endorsing a violent solution or endorsing a nonviolent one It's just that like you have to understand that they want you dead and they don't know one It's just that's the that's kind of what's behind the moralizing and it's this it's this thinking that you can kind of like appeal to the

You know better angels of your opponent's nature or that you can like rationalize or reason with them Whether they're Israeli or whether they're right wingers in America. It's like no across the board They wouldn't think fucking twice about putting one in the back of your head and they would just move on like it was nothing Yeah think fucking twice about putting one in the back of your head and they would just move on like it was nothing Yeah in order for that to work that assumes that there's a measure of humanity there and these people have proven to not have any Humanity no I mean the fucking them going after miss Rachel right like calling her an anti-semi Asking her if she's taking money from Hamas just from having guys and Palestinian children on her show Like that's ideology ideology I remember when this started after October 7th I said don't you know try not to dehumanize people

what I meant by that was like ideology is a extremely powerful thing it can it can bring you to a place where you can be massacring children and saying and and that is a very human thing that's very terrifying as a very human thing but what that means is that you have to meet it on its terms in the political arena you can't like just you know moralize and whine about it it's like the blood has already been drawn again that that does not necessarily mean that you then draw blood literally it's that you organize with that in mind, whether that's creating different institutions, knowing that that's the battleground and terrain,

whatever. But it's just, you can't deny it. That they would like us all to be fucking dead. I mean, Yeah, I just know we're going to close out, but I just like that, that I'm just thinking of that dichotomy between miss Rachel, right? Like, you know this, um, you know this early childhood education YouTuber concerned about the plight of Palestinian children versus the Christian Zionist who got his ass capped who said God bless the IDF, you know? Yeah, those are the two people on the sides who you are equivocating. You know that you're not even equivocating

You're just saying that this guy is a is a sit. He's a he's a he was just a citizen He was an innocent right or who said I think I saw one of his tweets that said that people in Gaza weren't starving You know what I mean? Like they've got plenty of food Genocide denial essentially has genocide denial literally right like we would rightly call someone who does that with the holocaust An anti-semite right like an anti-social person like that is that that is it's just because it's naturalized that it's okay to say that Right, it's just when it's not and a people in a hundred years will realize that Yeah, so will realize that so

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