Trillbilly Worker's Party - Episode 399: Venetian Polymath Diet (w/ special guest Steve Sladkowski)

Episode Date: July 3, 2025

Our old pal Steve Sladkowski from the band Pup stops by to talk tariffs, Canadian politics, TikTok, Drake's abs, and what peak performance looks like Go see Pup on tour soon: https://www.puptheband.com/, and be sure to check out their new album And support us on Patreon: www.patreon.com/trillbillyworkersparty

Music One thing I've learned in this life boys is tough people last but tough times don't. That's nice. That's optimistic. That is optimistic and We yeah, where you land on that there Padra say it again I wasn't paying tough listen this is wisdom to take the rest your life tough times tough people last but tough times don't see I've the thing is is people are like um You know Trump's eventually gonna die like these people will see their comeuppance. There's no evidence of that.

I mean, like the Roman Empire, like none of those people saw any bit of justice for their crimes. No, not one of them. The Roman Empire kicked on for like another. Yeah, no. It's possible that it's a long, slow decline and no one sees any.

We really gotta change the name of that word. Sounds like a... Comeuppance? Sounds like a good thing, you know? A comeuppance, you're right. Yeah, like a comeup. Like, um... Like when you pull yourself up by your bootstraps.

That's right. Well, speaking of bootstraps, this week we're joined by Steve Sledkowski of the band Pup. You pulled yourself up by the Ray Charles Band. Oh, for sure, yeah, the Ray Charles Band. Yeah, no, definitely. Big bootstrap guy, big, you know. Pulled yourself up by your Weegans there. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. These loafers went through hell to be here today. Well, as a Canadian and as a musician, there's two topics, or there's one, there's just really one topic. Before you go there, did you wish Steve a happy Canada Day? You're three days late. Today's a happy Canada Day.

July 1st, you know, mandatory, it's mandatory. Why is it so close to 4th of July. I don't know This is kind of how our country works. What? So it's just like you're kind of stealing our shot I think that's like has something to do with the repatriation of a constitution or something or other but you know I and they did it on July 1st. Yeah What what is it with summertime and making it? Ours is the Declaration of Independence to be fair? That's what July 4th signifies. We don't really have a Constitution Day. We hate our or cost or Constitution

Well happy Canadian Day, yeah, it's a mandatory You know, I guess we're we're celebrating independence from the British crown you guys don't have that fealty, baby That's what we're celebrating Loyalty not being a fake friend see we begged mom to let us Have like a little bit of decision-making as long as she still got to As long as we still got to live in her house. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's sort of the thing, which is why you saw Carney immediately go to King Charles after getting elected.

It was very much like a, I must go speak to daddy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're like a 40-year-old still living at home. Exactly. Make sure all this is cool. He's cool with being around and things. Technically it's not at home. You guys are kind of living in the house out back. Yeah, yeah running things technically It's not at home you guys are kind of living in the in the house out back. Yeah, it's like a whole house Yeah, exactly. Yeah, there's a lot of water there a lot of water and I used to bunch of native natives used to live there

Actually, yeah, they evicted you know the original tenants or whatever uh-huh I Yeah, like and there was the same thing with with like when you know there's a the speech from the throne Or whatever that they give in the House Commons when a new government. It's called. It's called a speech from the throne. Yeah And it is basically given usually by the governor general who's like the representative of the sovereign in Canada Oh, y'all still have viceroys? Oh yeah, basically yeah, yeah, yeah Whoa Yeah, yeah

Magistrates too Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah It's crazy how if America would have just stuck it out Instead of throwing in the towel, you I mean like on a relationship how someone I'm watching a lot of love Island right now Oh, wow a lot of people just tend to throw in the towel. Yeah on love or on love yeah Yeah, and if America had just stuck it out and believed in love we probably wouldn't be in such a bad place I mean you guys are pretty fucked and obviously Australia and New Zealand all fucked but not in nearly as bad as we are

Yeah to the bone bone to the stone This was the thing about so like 50 for we're fucked we're fucked. Oh, we're fucked dude No, I mean stay on the other side of that line. You know I can't do that You know I can't do that They're gonna get your ass like Bob Villain Funny enough we all saw this man together. Well. We sure did. There's a do I should say I've been talking about him Like he's like, you know people back home say Leonard Like he's one of our steely Dan

Yeah, we yeah, they were playing right before I said louder than life last year Two kind of curveball picks for that festival Puppet Bob Villain. Yeah, it was it was right before you guys cuz then Joey Ramone came out and played after you guys sure did He did yeah, just like coughing out the ghost of Ramone's Yeah, yeah, he's still got of Ramones songs. Uh huh. Yeah. Yeah. He's still got some beats. Yeah?

Oh yeah. He's got some beats, but here's the thing about it is they needed to cut that set by about 30 minutes because about half an hour into it's when he started letting up a little bit. Lagging. When I was in music school there was this program that was really revolutionary at the time. You could basically like to learn like solos right like if you wanted to learn like a John Coltrane like sax solo you could slow down the speed of the

recording without affecting the pitch oh which kind of feels like that's what was going on in that in that room. Like slowing down just a little bit. Do you wanna dance? Rock rock rock away, I was told a story one time. I don't care to tell you. No, I better not tell you told me this but it said that Merle Haggard was playing a show in the young Dolly Parton was opening for him and

Young Dolly like her manager and stuff had like kind of like wasn't there that night It was just kind of like some sort of in-between show and like Phoenix or something like that, you know Some package show they were doing. A B market? I don't think, as a man from a F market, I don't like to lay things out like that, Steve. Or in the NBA we call them small markets. That's even worse. But the person that told me this, Merle Haggard,

told him that when Dolly was young, she was a little wild, and she came into our dressing room back there and she said, looked at me and said, you know, you go out there and play them pretty songs like you do tonight, you might get some pussy thrown at you. Which is a funny thing to think about Dolly saying. She did not say. Well, I should say this story is possibly a pocket I would say probably I thought you were gonna I thought you were going to I mean all

bets are off she said she wasn't a feminist right wasn't that a thing outside the Dali is all artifice she not even well. She was like 19 even then I cannot picture her as a sexual person She's like Hillary Clinton. It's like I know you think you're normal, but she's not an alien like Hillary Clinton Yeah, she's not like I won't go ahead and tell you're venturing some dangerous waters right now. I learned this the hard way, okay? I'm just gonna stop you get to the boiling point I thought that that story was gonna take like a different turn. Well, it's not over. Oh, okay. It's not over.

So their set, this is like, Merle Haggard's first band, like one of his first big band, you know, like he's out of prison in Bakersfield, he's like a national act now. And their set was two and a half hours. And he didn't't tell his band this but he was pushing them through the songs. Uh-huh And he said they did that set in 45 minutes The same set the same set now what because he thought he was gonna get it. I was gonna get some math It went and when the show was over she'd already left

to the next hours through every Like what? When the show was over she'd already left She'd already hit it to the next hour She just powers through every song People were like, what the hell Who the hell gave from Miss Googie He said he looked around his bane and was like What the fuck That's Merle Haggard fucking grindcore I guess that that guy just a here in drink that's where the blast beat was invented showing Scottsdale

Dude, where did you go to music school? I forgot I went to like a small college like an hour outside of Toronto called The University of Guelph. Oh, yeah Guelph. Yeah, great name. That's uh, is that a French? I don't know actually It's a good it's a good question. What is the GUE? P h got a little Germanic ending. Yeah. Yeah, I mean that's where like that's very close to like what was for a long time New Berlin in Ontario Well, that's a waterloo Another you know yeah name of some significance well. Yes, so Canada you guys are just kind of fucked We're very fucked

I mean I mentioned this on a recent show But like we have a book we have a good buddy who lives in Australia. His name is Sam, and he posted something, I've been meaning to talk to him about this. He posted something a few weeks ago on his Instagram. Well, it's no longer Pride Month, but when Pride Month started, it was a post that was basically criticizing corporations

for cynically co-opting pride. It's like that's cute Like they're not even doing that anymore Like we're so fucked like not even the corporations are pretending yeah, yeah Canada definitely there's still that veneer I think you know like of the Hey, this is like Venir I think you know like of the Hey, this is like oh, yeah Exactly, this is the this is the progressive bastion like there I this is kind of a thing that a lot of people have talked about and I may have even talked about it before

on the show, but like It's a time like this where you realize I mean I think to some extent like any sort of Building like identity on a nation state is like a fool's errand. But like Canada is does that by so much like negating the US like essentially like what we are is not America right what we are is You know not like when I was growing up. It was like the the principled stance of like not going into Iraq but like also going to Afghanistan, so you know it's like oh well We did the war that everyone thought was good right, but we're not that one yeah, and it's like that's time

It's like it's because to say what the country is, is to sort of be like, well yeah, we did forced sterilization of indigenous women, and that kind of went into the 80s, I believe, or even the 90s, maybe even later, I might be wrong. I could be, you know, short selling it, but it's like, this is a country that is, the joke, I think we talked about this too,

it's like three mining corporations and a bank in a trench coat. Yeah. What was that, tar sands? Yeah, the tar sands. Tar sands, that was big, people were talking about tar, when I was in college, we found out about tar sands. Right, because that was a big thing in like,

sort of like just before the Dakota Access Pipeline stuff came down. I think they were trying to connect the Tar Sands to that project. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Steve, I'm doing a 30 day mental challenge

where I like to think on good thoughts, positive fortifying things. So when I think of Canada instead of seeing Three oil companies in a trench coat. I see just the heart foundation Bradley hitman Owen and I am NOT a nugget RIP to a king Neil Young Jim The annual nine heart turn in the legion of wrestlers out of their disgusting Calgary Turn in the legion of wrestlers out of their disgusting Calgary Cronenberg David Cronenberg sure man. That's great

Canadians you guys can is there something about the Canadian psyche that lends itself to body horror because I'm like Americans should have produced Cronenberg. I've thought about that many times I'm like you should have been American but like we're much more repressed about our body horror here. Probably maybe that's why yeah I mean, I just think like any anyone thinking about the country can see how like fake the whole kind of Progressive notion is right like you said you you said the leader it speaks from a throne Yeah, yeah, well the speech is a throne. It's like a seat.

I would say Steve, optically, not the best look. It's a seat, you know, it's like the seat of the speaker of the House of Commons or whatever. But you know, you could tell the anxiety was high with the Carney election and all the tariff shit because that was clearly a deal that he worked out with the king on that first visit he was like Please daddy, please come deliver the speech

And and King Charles did there's a really funny moment Where it looks like King Charles is actually counting the number of pages left in this massive speech Where he's like a little sausage frame yeah? Yeah? He's like. He's's like I can't fucking believe I can't believe I'm in the provinces like literally giving this speech in the province yeah I believe I've come to this place the job are getting appointed like being the song is it called the sovereign he's the head of state yeah technically Wow King Charles is so he could step in and call the shots at any time

If you want to yeah, but you said that there's also like a viceroy type right so his represent the sovereigns representative in Canada is Called the governor general It's just basically if mr. Mercer government if a valet was the head of state yeah and so essentially that is like a figurehead position, but like when, you know, like when Trudeau calls the election that was just contested over the, like basically over the tariffs and the Trump shit, he goes to the governor general to dissolve the parliament

and asks the permission of the sovereign's representative. That makes sense. Yeah, to dissolve. parlor and asks the permission of the sovereigns representative that makes sense yeah to dissolve because they all things man they have to do that in England right dissolve the Parliament you have to get the King's permission we and very much like a country whose entire identity is based on what it is not so much as what it is like we too have the what we have daddy's is this mostly theater have the what we have daddy's Mostly theater does the sovereign have some teeth I? Feel like this is the thing that like if I'm ever gonna find out in my lifetime find out

Hey, man, if I'm gonna fucking find out Yeah, so like I don't know if the king is really fucking I'm heaps excited Every stretch of the Empire the Commonwealth the Commonwealth I'm heaps excited Do you think now do you think King Charles is a mad cunt? Well you guys also though, there's a big French influence because and I found this out the hard way when I just assumed that the Quebecois separatist movement

was a bit ininfant adjust. You've learned some things since then. I have. You've grown. I've grown. I did a no growth. A lot of people were mad about that. They were mad about that.

You were listening, you were learning. I was listening and learning. Ecoute a. What you were telling telling me didn't they assassinate somebody mm-hmm a British diplomat It's pretty badass Like um yeah Brits are kind of like just whack them all you know I mean like I feel like if you're French you should Have permission to assassinate one British diplomat every year and if you're British you should have permission to assassinate one British diplomat every year And if you're British you should have permission to assassinate one French diplomat every year I think there was a pretty long war about that wasn't there it was

There were several several in fact Seven years war war of 1811 Seven years of war, war of 1812, 11, 12. Yeah, so that, anyway, the roots of that movement come out of one of those wars, right? Which is when, and again, I might make some French listeners mad, but that's fine, you can come find me in Quebec in December and we can talk about it. Blow them up in a car bomb.

Please don't do that. We're playing at M. Tell us in downtown Montreal No, but like you know I think in the French crown I want it was the house Bourbon still like one of the One of the Louise I think the 14th, but don't know never my history might be not so good here, but But don't know never my history might be not so good here, but The 14th was the one that got his head yeah, but in losing to the British I think in the Seven Years War that was that now that depends on how you score that one

That was the 12th scholars remain split on the who the victor but what they as a you know One of the things they had to give up was either New France or like what was is now Quebec or their like properties Then their colonies in the Caribbean right and like Haiti yeah, they weren't giving up Haiti They weren't giving up Haiti

And so you know from there, I think it becomes sort of like the English like rule of New France, which then becomes like lower Canada and upper Canada and there's a wealth disparity and there's like this historical but it is like it is at the end of the day like It is two colonial powers and it kind of coalesces over language rights. But it was like a serious separatist movement, like to the point of like-

But it's not anymore, they call it quits. I mean, it is always- They put down arms. It is always there, but I think for the most part, like generationally, you know, for myself, like kind of in my late thirties, like most of the people I know, for myself, like kind of in my late 30s, like most of the people I know, I think they realize that there are pretty significant

other challenges facing a country. Not to make light of, you know, language rights. But like, yeah, like, French or English, we've treated the indigenous people of Canada poorly and we continued to do that with like I was telling you guys About like, you know bill c5 or whatever that's kind of making its way through Canadian Parliament right now but like yeah that to me is kind of the the big thing is sort of like, okay, well these almost feel like and especially because in kind of contemporary Quebec it has a like, okay, well, these almost feel like, and especially because in kind of contemporary Quebec, it has given sort of a legal cover to racism, right?

Like, if you wear a job, you can't drive a bus because you're a public employee, and like that sort of French language law also calls for like secular, right? Like kind of secular enshrinement of rights, which, yeah, so like, or if you're sick and you wear a turban, there was some talk of like, you might not be able to do that

and work for public transit. Right, so they have all the values of the French in the sense of like, egalité, liberté, frater and the races and the races Yeah, you know so like the fourth of that, you know, I look I'm from Ontario like I'm from a horrible place to that, you know that the rest of the country hates in Toronto because all the money's there and Drake we've also and Drake exactly right yeah Everybody also hates right yeah, I want to talk about stick a pin in that but but I think like that's sort of a in in

The separatist movement kind of in the 90s You know that I think that referendum was sort of put to bed, but now you have this whole thing in the West, which is sort of like even more ridiculous. Like in the tar sands country in Alberta, they are now threatening like their own separatists. It's very much like the Texas, you know, anytime Texas kind of threatens to do it, that's sort of what's going on in Alberta right now.

There are like- Oh, they mirrored Texas. There are no less than like three dozen different separatist movements in America right now. Like there's a county in Tennessee that's trying to become part of Georgia, or maybe I've got that backwards, there's a county in Georgia trying to become part of Tennessee. Which, that's crazy. Like to be in Georgia or Tennessee and think that one of them is better because it's more conservative, because they're all separatistist movements are conservative by the way Yeah, there's also there's nothing cool in that happen and say there's nothing cool happening anyway

Yeah, but definitely on separatists. Yeah, there's also in California. There's a separatist movement. You're talking about, Cascadia Maybe that's it. Yeah, like Northern California and then the pockets of like Oregon and I think they Washington They want to be the free state of Cascadia Or they want to join, Oregon. No, they want their own. Yeah stay well This is the irony the whole project of libertarianism throughout the 80s and 90s was like the Murray Rothbard anarcho-capitalism thing like being able to opt out of a Social body politic like a public. What do they call it like a public choice Type thing like sovereign citizen on the on the state level. Yeah, they wanted to be able to choose what society to live in

Which is ironic because now they are the ones imposing that entire framework on the United States from an authoritarian federalist That what the parrot heads were doing when they founded the Contra public Somewhere in the Florida Keys Hey, I thought you said nothing cool Well, I think they also laid down arms they died out or yeah, they think they die once the leader You know Jimmy's gone man. Is that like a narco-margarita? He's no longer nibbling on sponge you can't kill an idea though boys. Uh-huh. That's a lifestyle. It was a PG me there is a connection with between Kentucky in Canada right now because you guys buy all of our whiskey your goddamn right

We do there's several men Steve tees out mostly in the realm of sports though, uh-huh, but You guys buy all of our whiskey your goddamn right we do man Steve tease out mostly in the realm of sports though, but The big news though earlier this week. I don't know when this episode is coming out It could come out tomorrow today could come out Monday but regardless the big news recently was that I think you just mentioned it the Candidate basically caved to Trump on the digital services tax. Yeah, right? Yeah So everybody keeps caving to Trump paramount. Yeah CBS cave. Yeah, they're giving him 15 million dollars 16 16 billion 16 million

No prices right rules actually you were right True yeah, so there was like a 3% Essentially like a sales tax so anything that like large Silicon Valley companies would Like sell to Canadian consumers mm-hmm. There was a 3% levy that the federal government imposed and basically 3% doesn't really sound like a lot you could argue it should be higher What are the what kind of goods would that be like NFTs? No, I want I think I think you're like, you know, like you could buy shit off Instagram Like if you if you click through an Instagram ad, yeah, or something.

Because it goes through that, whatever. Or it's just all transactions on fucking Google Chrome. I don't remember the exact letters of the law, but, and that was put in basically to, again, this idea of Canada needing to put itself in opposition to an idea in order to define itself. Like this idea that these are big hegemonic American corporations that are having an impact

on misinformation, and so, he was being funneled basically to Like like legacy media outlets and sort of like we have this thing called a Canadian Heritage Fund And basically like the money from the levees on yeah That was sort of like that's sort of how it was like Presented and trump didn't like that or did trump just didn't like the fact that silicon valley Services were being taxed I assume that like the like people in the super PACs helped get him elected That was like one of the big sticking points that if you were going to renegotiate with Canada and like Tara the deal that would

Be a thing that I take away right right and it's 2% in the UK I think how did they not negotiate the bourbon thing though? The bourbon one is just like one of those funny things of like It's like the I think the best way to solve this crisis of capitalism is with capitalism is bourbon is the bourbon lobby Do they not have shooters? I? Think they must say it. I think they're kind of on their way out dog I think you're probably right. I think it, I think they're kind of on their way out. Dog. I think you're probably right. I think it's, I think they're in dire straits.

I think the gin drinkers and the sober birds are- Dog, they had their moment in the sun from like what, 2000 to 2020 maybe? It's a bit, yeah, I think they've lost some market share to like tequila, mezcal, gin, other spirits. Yeah, I think you're right. And again, some might. Not right and again not me certainly not me But I just like I mean we've documented this on the show for years the

Fixation and fetishization of Southern Oh sure y'all star Mason Yeah, yeah, like that's gone. That's leaving now like like it's gotta be on its way out now. And so that's a big reason why I feel like Bourbon is, I mean granted I guess you still got the Yellowstone people, like the right wingers. Which brings us back to Paramount. Man, they've really screwed, they've not made a good deal in five years

and they're printing money off that goddamn show. Well I heard the reason why they caved on that was because they're trying to sell. They're trying to sell. Like merge withaved on that was because they're trying to sell They're trying to sell merge with somebody else trying to merge and they need they need approval from the federal government to do so And so basically it's a bribe basically it's 16 million dollar, but that's still the redstone like like the yeah Yeah, the redstone family. Yeah, they're like Trump's such an extreme case of an art. We got to make him feel like he won, but this is really a brawl. Pretty much, yeah.

Pretty much. I mean, ABC also settled the thing. Because the thing about the Paramount thing, the CBS thing was from 60 Minutes. He sued them because they edited a Kamala Harris interview to be flattering to her. But I think that, not defending Kamala Harris or 60 Min flattering to her but I think that not defending Kamala Harris or 60 minutes but I do think that it wasn't even that bad like I think if you look at the you know the tape like I don't think it was what's what's mom Donnie eligible for now that they made him look like a

fucking vampire and all the Cuomo ads, you know what I mean? Like an Eastern European vampire. I guess it's like how, yeah, it's sort of a, he's gonna be in a Robert Eggers film, and, well, he was on Meet the Press, wasn't he? Like, last weekend? Mom Donnie? Yeah. So I wonder if they cut it, you know, like the Simpsons episode,

where Homer takes the jelly off the girl's butt, and they make him look like a like an insane sex past Maybe it'll be something like that. I think those are those are live thankfully hard to edit those But they would to be in the reason They know they're live and that's why they ask them insane questions like do billionaires have a right to exist like they're people Yeah with a protected civic

Like to talk bad about him's like shitting on a purple heart veteran or something right? Yeah, it's a Canada oh Canada yeah, it's just they I mean it's just like it's like the cute shit, right? They were like well I can't believe that our closest friend and ally the United States of America Would impose tariffs so I I'm heard of the premier Doug Ford

Like because the all like alcohol sales are controlled by the at the state level. Yeah, kind of like in North Carolina When you say the state do you mean? Going further is Doug similar and temperament to his departed brother. He was a little more level-headed Yeah, no Doug Doug Temperate if you guys watch that Netflix thing with with Rob with Rob the like he smokes crack right he sure did. Yeah Which I think is time. Yeah, I mean hey But yes, basically they were like we're pulling a American liquor products off of the like state liquor store shelves. Uh-huh

and that's why Kentucky's fucked basically like it's the Everyone where I come from is so drunk. Hmm that we have like such it's like one of the largest importers of Wine on the planet like single importers of wine on the planet is the government of Ontario And the LCBO jobs are all like union jobs like my dad was you know in a in a public employees union working for the LCBO like he worked at the state liquor store and You know, but like yeah, it is really funny that like they can have that reaction of like fuck you for like furloughing all the auto industry workers

No more Buffalo Trace. And that's basically like, that was, you know, all the retaliatory tariff stuff is like meant to target red states. You guys have, isn't Crown Royal Canadian? And Canadian Mist. I have to set a record straight here, cause this is a common fallacy, okay.

In Eastern Kentucky, bourbon is not widely drank, but if they were to put tariffs on Canadian mist Brother you would have you you have a landlord. I don't same I don't think I had bourbon until I was like 21 or 22. I didn't drink bourbon I went to college saying I drank Canadian mist like there's gonna quit making it Crown Royal Like my parents friends would have Crown Royal bag We thought that was like oh, yeah I gotta tell you how I procured alcohol as it we either went to There was a graveyard top of the hill in the state line. We drive up there. There's Virginia, Kentucky state line

There's this guy they always used to hang out in the graveyard drunk named Mike Taylor I'm gonna get him to go buy some mad Mad Dog 2020. Do y'all have MD 2020? No. Thank God for their wild Irish rose. Like those kind of like, what are these? Are these liqueurs? Are they wine? Wine coolers. Sherries or whatever. Yeah, that kind of shit. Or we would go over to Linefork, which was, it's outside the scope of here, trying to explain And visit this guy named trigger that sold beers for a dollar a beer I like that or you had your choice of black velvet or Canadian mist for ten dollars a fifth Damn, he would sell to anybody and I mean anybody he must been knocking trucks over Must have been ten dollars a fifth for Canadian. All he had was natural life over a dollar a beer

He was making a man on that. I love how you guys went to a guy in a graveyard like this is the most he lived there Yeah, yeah, I think dude anytime a day if you went up there you would just see this guy walking around with like One of those aforementioned like Boone's farm or MD 20-20 gas station like wines hanging out with the Boone's farm or MD 2012 gas station like wines hanging out with the Was he the janitor like or the grounds the groundsman Crypt keeper I suppose yeah exactly I suppose if he was selling alcohol Hey, what was weird about Mike is you'd think he would be derelict, but he looked like an 80s bodybuilder. He had like an unnatural tan. He was Jack.

But he just lived in a graveyard and drank all the time. I mean, if you live in a graveyard, you're probably going to get tanned. Imagine tanning in a graveyard, like laying out with the mirror thing. That seems like somebody wrote that for like an Addams Family reboot. And they're like, you can't put that in there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like the inverse of like seeing like Robert Smith on, and they're like, you can't put that in there. You can't. Yeah. It's like the inverse of seeing like Robert Smith on a beach or something like that.

You know what I mean? It's like. I see what you. Bizarro world. It's like if Fabio lived in a graveyard. Right, if Fabio lived in a graveyard, yeah exactly. And then across the way was that Confederate monument, which lists all the Letcher Countians that died

in the Great War of Yankee aggression. Uh-huh. And. I think I defaced that thing one time. We did one time. Remember, we were gonna steal the flag, we couldn't reach it, actually. I have a confession. I went up there one night and I cut the fucking cords. That was 10 years ago.

Did you? Yeah. Is the Statue of Limitations passed on that? Yeah, I think so. Well, I don't know if the Trump administration, they're probably eligible to go a l's will go jail for 40 years. That's true. That's true. I was so dude I was so I mean, I'm still woke but like I was woke in 2016 I took a girl like we're cutting we're cutting Confederate flag. We're cutting none of this shit. I'm not on my watch Now they're naming military bases after Confederate. So I think we lost

Thanks, I think our core cutting was for not. Uh-huh. Sorry. I didn't mean to cut no no no no I just Took girl bear one time and she started like looking at the names. Okay. Come on. Let's go. I'm not interested in seeing JD Vance plug a website where you could plug in your family's name and find out if they fought? Yeah, there is a federal website where you can look and see if your family fought. Dude, we- Ancestry.gov? It's kind of like that. I think it's kind of like that. He plugged it. It's crazy like it's in the 90s. It was anathema to be a neoconfederate.

Like Ron Paul's affiliates were neo-confederates and it was pretty scandalous. And now it's government policy to be neo-confederate. That's fucking crazy. These are traitors we're talking about here. You know what I mean? Traitors, yeah. Yeah, it's just like, you see it sometimes,

you'll see Republican or Confederate flags in Friday and slip I guess but in Canada you see them in Canada you see them in parts of like upstate New York Which brings me back to an earlier point Steve can't kill an idea We actually should have killed about if we killed three guys, maybe this would have been the first case Actually should have killed about if we killed three guys, maybe this would have been the first case You guys have you guys seen that? I think I sent the meme to our little group chat But it's the bottle of wine and the first third of the bottle of wine was Like general Sherman was a genius tactician Second third is general Sherman didn't go far enough

Reconstruction should have lasted forever and then the third one is enough reconstruction should have lasted forever and then the third one is General Sherman should have salted the earth and burned Atlanta to the ground and stayed there forever Dude I like his middle name was to comes uh hey Yeah, there's a town in on in southwestern, Ontario named to comes it and the town they have his died his fate He did he fought in the war of 1812 sure did The the thing about the Civil War Which is a very unfortunate thing is that while it was good that we beat the slavers It was also used as an excuse for

Genociding a lot of native people in the West like Like that was the pretense for it. I mean, because like, weirdly enough, like the Confederacy was kind of weird on native rights. Like they were kind of, I think they understood that they didn't have the state capacity, that was their whole thing, right? They weren't gonna have a state. They didn't have the state capacity to like subject entire nations.

It's a- To do that like genocidal cloning project. Right, right, but the Union did. And that was part of the state-building process of the Civil War It was like we're gonna build a body politic, but it's going to come at the cost of Basically, you know depriving every single tribe of sovereignty West of the Mississippi the consolidating project. It was a good time. It was a project of consolidation so it's like man, it's

It's kind of a history is complicated man. It's fucked up and and I think it is like Again, I sent that like there's this bill c5 but like this routine kind of Which obviously I'm not Surprising anyone here saying that indigenous people's perspectives have been left out of That's our two nations. That's the first time here. I know it's crazy. It's crazy. Don't The best joke of King of the hills when John Redcorn comes into Bobby's classroom to teach John Redcorn comes into Bobby's classroom to teach on, I forget what, Indigenous People's Day or something, and Bobby goes, I'm not sure you got this right Mr. Redcorn, I'm white and this is the first I'm hearing of this. You know like, but basically any

like a project of consolidation like the one that the Canadian government is trying to pass right now, is essentially to fast track inter-provincial trade in the face of American tariffs and the Trump administration. Oh, you guys are gonna get a commerce clause? Right, exactly. And then also, green light massive natural resource extraction projects. So like pipelines, critical

mineral mining and those sorts of like large scale projects, which because Canada federally and a few provinces, including I think BC have enacted UNDRIP, like the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples, have actually signed that into law, which means that they are bound, not that clearly UN laws are taken very seriously right now, but- I take it very seriously. Yeah, yeah, but. I take it very seriously. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They essentially now have put this bill with the threat of tariffs and sort of like economic

destruction at the hands of the Trump administration. They've put through a law in parliament at the behest of like Mark Carney to essentially cut out the consultations they need to do with indigenous people if they're gonna run pipelines or extract fucking nickel and other like whatever. Sort of like in the big beautiful bill, like they're just basically,

it's the final onslaught of the public lands. Like every nation in the West now is just like, yeah, let's fucking, let's just do the thing. Let's just, I mean, what little native sovereignty existed is now gonna be thrown out. And I mean, not that there's any native sovereignty over most of the public lands in the West,

but I mean, it's pretty, it's pretty bad. Which brings me to my next point. Drake. Drake. What do you think about, as a Canadian musician, It's pretty bad, which brings me to my next point Drake Drake What do you think about as in Canadian musician? What do you think about his new abs? Oh, does he have new abs? I thought you were gonna ask me about like him and fighting with NDP leader former NDP leader Chuck meets sing damn. He's oh, yeah, that is right Like physically fighting or just Instagram DM, just Instagram DM. Aw. Calling each other corn balls.

Singh had to kiss the ring eventually, I guess. Really? I guess he claimed he only went to the Kendrick concert to see SZA open. In Toronto. In Toronto. He needed that smooth R&B. He didn't need any of that.

I promise I left after she played. Which in fairness I could see sing been a man that was raised on that silk shirt R&B. Yeah crying in the rain You look surprised winning rap not for me. Yeah Yeah The photo he posted was really funny, but the the the Quote that came with it was even funnier. Yeah, by the way, should we even be talking about this? Are you gonna have beef with him now? No, I'll be fine. The Universal Records gonna come after you know The quote that came with it was even funnier. By the way, should we even be talking about this?

Are you gonna have beef with him now? No, I'll be fine. Is Universal Records gonna come after you? No. No? Apparently they put the clamps. Sony BMG now, baby. Apparently, apparently.

I got this from the Pusha T interview with John Carmonica. Apparently, the Eclipse album got shelved for over a year because of a Kendrick verse Really such as the power of Drake Wow I'm just reporting the news here damn. That's what push us. It pushes like no we kind of we this was supposed to be out last summer You know or whatever Drake Drake's like I don't like those fancy songs you saying so I'm not gonna give you any pussy. Yeah So they slowed down their song What was it gonna look up Drake's Drake's going Yellowstone is big beautiful app

It's a beautiful apps, you know that Drake lives in Houston now and he's like lives on a ranch and he wears like ariat boots and like Dude, give me a break. Yeah, he's he's gotten bit by the Taylor Sheridan bug Jesus Christ Everybody has man. What was the okay? I mean I was in Wyoming a few weeks ago. I can't pretend like Little Western holiday, okay The caption he had with it was I'm wide awake for the nights that separate the top who get to it So they get it right from the top who just

top That was that even what's that mean? I don't Just like that's a classic Drake one of those classic Drake lines we all know One more time. Well throw it at us one more time. Let's try make some sense of this I'm wide awake for the knots that separate the type who get it So they get it right from the type who just dot dot dot type It's a keyboard warrior keyboard. Yeah, I'm up for the night. Yeah, I grind through the evenings while my haters Simply that separate the type who get it right wraps great

Luddite who get it so they get it right from the type who just dot dot dot type type you see our buddy Edgar Drake was wearing one of his hats and he's like I've been waiting my whole life for this to happen I feel like I can't even post about well the photo was strange and obviously this is not a video show so I can't get our producer to put it up on the screen. What are we paying this guy for? We pay a video guy to just sit here and I'm just like waiting for one of these like it's just gonna be so much more sinister It's like it's a podcast video feed, but it's like on a ring camera Oh, dude, we're so far behind I was reading that tik-tok Essay that you sent us in the London review of books. I was reading that tik-tok Essay that you sent us in the London review of books and I was like dog Like we should have pivoted the video so long ago, but at this point because we haven't done it

I'm like there's something novel kind of being behind Same way like like brick and mortar is actually gonna thrive like because everything else is Vinyl made a comeback exactly. Yeah, people are like, oh I want to listen and not want look at their faces I'd like the thing that was sold to me as like modern radio programming to feel like modern Exactly well now Speaking of that TikTok article, I kind of got the feeling reading it,

correct me if I'm wrong, it said that the TikTok algorithms tend to really elevate like Nigel Farage and the AFD party in Germany. So I'm like thinking, I'm like, dude, maybe this is all part of like China's Long-term strategy to undermine the West to just facilitate right-wingers coming to power Like you know that would be I mean You got to hand it to him again. I can't I can't really hate the game at that point

I'm so it's such a it is really like a strange article You wouldn't think that right-wingers would be on TikTok. Yeah, or like given how sort of up in arms, it seems like the broad sort of like Western establishment was in trying to like force a sale. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or like to like divest of like whatever they thought were Chinese state interests. Like, okay, sure, whatever guys.

It is just like very strange to see some of the most nefarious parts of that group of people be like, you know what actually, it's where the kids are, so let's just make sure that we tell them, in the AFD's case, they're like, oh, like, yeah, Hitler was a part of our history. But, we can't, come on man, we're cool, we're not like that, I don't know. It's weird, maybe the, I mean, honestly, that's the thing. It's like, I see what you're saying. If it is a part of their company policy and state policy,

if there is that degree of collaboration between corporations in state and China, which I have no idea if that's the fucking case, but if it is, it is an interesting thing that there was this big debate over selling it off Trump says he's got a seller or a buyer For it now, he says we'll find out in two weeks. He loves to say two weeks. He loves two weeks Well, as you know, he does if it's two week timeline is Marty made up his mind

but If that's the case them selling it off to an American company or something, it may not be that good for them. Uh, for the right-wingers. Because it seems to me that in the hands of the Chinese, it seems like it's good for the right. Like, that's what I'm saying. I think it might be a strategy of tension undermining like Western society by empowering these like suicidal lunatics You know what I mean? Like let's fucking that's the wages of just bagging on China for the last 40 years I'm not seriously entertaining that I'm Obviously if you take that too far can become a xenophobic thing No, I think I think the thing is like it's just like it's so funny to sort of read an article that is kind of like

You know, what is he? He's a sociologist and political economist and he teaches at Goldsmiths. The author of that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he's like kind of wringing his hands a little bit, being like, it feels like the same sort of thing that in the aftermath of the Trump election they're like, where are the left podcasters? Yeah, yeah, yeah. There was a little bit of that, you know, but but it was interesting to hear him just sort of say like I did as little as I could to see where the algorithm would just take me.

Right. Like I followed a major politician from like every party and he kind of breaks down like his his methodology for like doing this little like TikTok sociology and to see it just like immediately push him right, it's like, wow, that is. It's interesting. It's not unexpected. I definitely, I think,

seeing people who are still on Twitter, as I think we still all are, and it's like people who go to check it, who don't have years and years of like hours logged For the algorithm and stuff it's like yeah, it is like a cesspool. Yeah, you know and it's just like the algorithmic stuff Every time you think there's like a predictable thing of like okay. It does this sort of right-wing thing, but also there's you know thing of like okay it does this sort of right-wing thing but also there's you know you can find left-wing stuff and you just you realize that all these corporations are corporations and like they're you know there's no this whole

idea that it was like a democratic or some sort of like way of like opening up the world to like the marketplace of ideas. Yeah, they said fucking horse shit, you know, like my favorite place to shop. Yeah. As Tom loves it and go there every week. Yeah. And it's like, I don't know, it's just so, but it is like very, very strange to see, uh, the, the different ways in which this is kind of just affecting like England, right? like because the the article is very very much about the UK but like and in Canada too and in first these days yeah

how's this affecting the United Kingdom my king yeah you're king yeah yeah yeah yeah you know but like I don't know I guess I'm not really sure I'm making like a coherent point here, but like I'm just it's so It's so weird. Tick-tock is so weird. It creates almost it seemed like the author was trying to say that it creates a kind of simulacra of reality that's true, but and does speak to real problems that people have but then it Funnels people into finding the solutions for those problems in a lot of right-wing politics Yeah, and atomization right right and it's like I guess it's not like none of this is new

Like I was reading through this and I wasn't like surprised by anything But it's just like oh, it's just like this is just how this works The that's the that's kind of the conclusion that I'm sort of coming to with a lot of like social media and stuff. It's like yeah the atomization and the you know little bit that maybe speaks to the real pain that people are feeling or like yeah the struggles that people have like uh it just like it just keeps spiraling into psychosis. Yeah, I don't think that, to be clear, I don't actually think the CCP is funneling people

into right-wing politics in the West. We're getting there on our own. I was kind of doing it. I was doing a bit. But the thing is, I think algorithms is in general push people towards right. Yeah. Right, because an algorithm is going to push you

to just something that gets a click from you or a dopamine hit. And the fact of the matter is, is that the opposite of that, like a left-wing critique called call it Marxism or whatever, is gonna be like more holistic and drawn out. And you're not gonna get that from an algorithm, you're not gonna get that from social media.

So I think it just naturally pushes people to right-wing politics. Dialectics naturally gonna make you long-winded, like little bits of algorithmic, like just one false move and your whole algorithm true algorithm is Fragmentation or as dialectic says well you know yeah on the other hand right well And you know and it's like in the case of like a Bob villain or something right? It's like how quick in in that sort of

like That event occurring because it basically happened inside of like three days right look I prefer to think the seeds were sown last September in Louisville Kentucky when we saw him when we saw us in the audience he knew no that's right your drummer was wearing a free palisade. Yeah, he was you know, and I think like I Just wonder like how? If you didn't See the original video

Right or some original video from the crowd where that that kind of went viral Or and you had no idea what Bob Villain kind of has stood for When they were kind of coming up in the in that underground like very fertile like underground UK scene of like it was kind of punk and it was kind of rappy and kind of you know And it's just been cool and been on a lot of people's radar like I've known and we've like talked to Bob you know in the past but like So have we Yeah, Bob Villain, but he does that. Yeah, but he's...

Death, death to the ideas. Death, death to the ideas. Sorry, I told you wrong. No, I mean, I just, you know, like, you wouldn't have kind of... It's not shocking. Yeah. Right, like, he's always kind of been

someone who spoke openly about those things. He was speaking about stuff you know, stuff more in regard to America, but like, yeah, you would maybe have seen like the Daily Mail, you know, right? Like post something about like this horrible musician at Glastonbury. And like, yeah, immediately like, visa revoked. Well, that was the-

Agency dropped out. I loved it, his robots are like, this guy's cooked his careers over numbers like brother He's about ready to go diamond in 2025 Yeah, I love the the way this all started was that they were trying to censor kneecap Yes, and in so doing it was kind of like a strisand effect thing they wound up like You know creating the perfect situation for someone to lead a death to the IDF Jeff chant which is like another thing that's kind of like lost in all this it's like People are locked in on Bob Villain as the like villain as the villain

Situation but it's like thousands of people also chanted that so it's and they know that right yeah no shortage of Palestinian flags at Glastonbury it's like yeah there was a yeah it was preaching to the choir that's why yeah that's why they freaked out so bad right it's cuz they know that they don't have control over the narrative anymore. And so it's like Bob Villain becomes an easy sort of scapegoat and they can revoke their visa and everything. Yeah, he put out a, they put out a statement

like on their Instagram page the other day that I think essentially said that, right? Which was like, this is, we are not the issue here. Yeah. We are not the main character. We should not be. We are being main charactered, so to speak. But that is not what actually the issue is,

which I thought was a really, I mean, that's what you expect someone in that scenario who has kind of consistently stood up for those principles to keep doing. And I think it's cool that he and that they have done that yeah Yeah but Drake's abs though. Yeah, well the big beautiful labs beautiful labs to go back to the big beautiful labs just real fast

Just to derail us from a serious conversation I was not aware that you can get abs like you can get a BBL or something like that Those are it's like a liposuction, right? Yeah The best is when guys or who are like have a lot of face fat which tends to be the first place people lose Like fat, you know what I mean? We'll have like a chubby face, but have like the abs That's the first tail so you mean to tell me you got your body fat percentage low enough for abs But not low enough to get rid of your little double chin. Interesting.

Well it looked weird, it looked unnatural. And that's why I was like what? Because he has no pecs, right? And his arms are also. It's not even that, it's like if the abs weren't so ostentatious, he would look like his shoulders and arms were like decent. You know, decent.

But because they're like this, it draws, it's the opposite of the V taper. You want like big shoulders and chest to draw like that, that line. This does the opposite. He does like a triangle. See what I'm all about, dude, I'm saying fuck abs. Like I'm trying to get arms and I'm trying to get chest

in a fucking beer gut who fuck abs, bro There's like a friend in Toronto who wrote an article basically about this of like He he was like I want to see I don't remember if it was for vice, you know back when vice was still doing stuff like this, but He was like I want to see what it will take To get abs as like a man in his 30s uh-huh and basically the entire article is him Just being like this is the most miserable thing I've ever Bro, it's rough. I don't I don't know how the fuck I did it like I mean I guess it's very rough

Maintain sub 10% body fat as he pulls his shirt up. No, I meant to say ten years ago now You're like that's not three months away from six-pack, but I never work my abs out when I do I'm like this fucking sucks I hate sit-ups. I hate that you don't have to do that. What do you do? I get your body fat low enough Oh, and it just naturally form Get him on the ascent pick I Got embarrassed I went over to UK to do the bod pod Basically what you're saying is that inside every person are some blatant abs there are no everybody has apps if you didn't you Just be hunched over. Yeah

Anatomically speaking okay, so you're saying that like just the natural movements of your body produce them once you lose enough body fat It's like how that there is a there is a you know Michelangelo's David in like a big slab of marble Uh-huh. Oh, okay. I see what that analogy works for you. If you had a Michelangelo sculpt in your body and Yeah, which in this case would just be eating like, you know Ground beef and berries Venetian polymath That's the new workout of the summer Anyway, so that's how you get abs get below 10% 15. What were you saying about the body pod?

What did they I went to UK to the bod pod the bod pod? Yeah, it's where they measure your body fat percentage you guys strip down to a little spandex undies in front of And then you do a part stranger and then you do a podcast They put you in a pod and they press a button then you hop out and then you got to lay under Something looks like something out Cronenberg. It's like a big plastic sheet and they just put you there and they like Stick like there's almost like they don't put there and they like stick like there's almost like a they don't put it in your mouth but there's like a almost like an air tube it's like being buried alive in some plastic or something and then mine

messed up because he was like man I don't understand why this is not working because it says you burn 100% carbohydrates and I was like that's not possible he's like I guess theoretically it is may this is what peak performance looks like. Yeah, man I'm just I run off the glucose. I guess they were basically he admitted to you like well our fucking technique our equipment It's not yeah, he told me to email them back and when I wanted to come in there for a reason Why couldn't it just be possible that you do burn a hundred percent carbs? It's just exceedingly unlikely It would just be possible that you do burn 100% carbs. It's just exceedingly unlikely. It's like 0.0000026% of people do that.

What does that mean? That as soon as you eat some pasta, like your fucking every ounce of it is gone? I think it just means that like you don't use carbs or protein and fat for fuel theoretically. You don't even poop it out? It's just immediately every ounce of it. This started out as a comedy of errors because I walked in there

They first thing they do is weigh you and measure you and he wrote down on mine 510.6 and I said 0.4 inches between friends. I've been telling 6 inches and by that. Oh oh yeah, I guess it would be. Well, so I was off on that. Maybe that's why it puzzled me. So anyway, and then I did that thing, then I found out I burned 100% carbs in my,

yeah, they tell you like your calories, like how many calories you're supposed to eat every day to maintain your weight, lose weight, whatever. And so anyway, they asked me, they were like, well, what are you trying to get to? And I was like, 10% body fat. He's like, what are you trying to get to it I was like 10% body fat he's like what do you think you're at he wanted to play a game with me He's like where you think you're at? Uh-huh. He's like everybody everybody undershoots this I was like 25 undershoots it in the sense that they think they have more than they do or they think they have less than they do they think

They have more or less than they know that vanity. That's definitely. Yeah, straight vanity. Yeah, what's the average? What do you think I have? I'd say you price it about 18 18 percent body fat. Yeah Okay, yeah, I don't know if that's good or bad. I don't know about body fat at 15% You're perfect to me buddy. No, you might be 15 Stand up stand up pull your shirt if I can tell you right now. He already had his shirt up He's up the second time. I dropped coffee on me today and burn myself That's a you're sitting between 15 and 18 you're gonna people are gonna be yelling for video now

I'm the only I have the in a beer good. We're gonna we're gonna need that trivially ring camera now I have the NA beer good. We're gonna we're gonna need that trivially ring camera now It's only fans, but Terrence just plays Little red marks I mean I had to get arms because it's like dude You can't be skinny with a beer gut. It's just is not gonna fucking work. It's not gonna happen So that's why that's why I go fucking work. It's not gonna happen. So that's why I go in there. Well, it is, and look at those things. You got bicep veins like day one.

I've been working hard, I just now saw the first little tiny morsel of one. I've been doing this two years. Unbelievable. I gotta get back on it. The article, the TikTok thing, it did make me feel like, oh shit, like we need to be doing video content because Nigel Farage is doing video content The girl and ours we know we can't let him get ahead. Yeah in the girlies are like

That's what they made it seem like in this article The the idea the one I think the thing that scared me probably the most was just like the idea of That's what it made it seem like in this article. Okay. The idea, I think the thing that scared me probably the most was just like the idea of like those political parties floating messaging that won't cross over to like older demographic or more mainstream demographic. Oh yeah. So you're like, if the idea is that like

the like broadest part of the tick-tock user base is like younger at a time when Like we've seen like media literacy also kind of Bluffing it. I'm like, oh, so they're gonna just like throw out the craziest shit That they feel like they can't say to like an interviewer from the Guardian or something or like right right like that they're gonna they're essentially like means testing the like craziest parts of the ideology on TikTok because right it just kind of like that's I don't love. Let me see if I can find where he actually says that.

To connect the dots from what we were talking about earlier, I do, you remember right back at the beginning of the Trump administration, right before Trump got into office, they were talking about selling TikTok, remember that? And then there was like, there was like a day where they were like, if the sale doesn't go through on this day,

TikTok is banned. And then it was banned. For like 20 minutes. For like 20 minutes, and then Trump TikTok is banned. And then it was banned. And then. For like 20 minutes. For like 20 minutes, and then Trump came into office, and then TikTok was, and then they brought it back, and TikTok was like, we love you, Trump, thank you. And all of us were like, what?

Like this is a CCP-owned company or whatever. I don't know if that's true or not. But it just, I don't know. It's. I mean, also like at that point, if you're worried about like social media corporations having ties to federal governments, mm-hmm Shouldn't you?

drive directly like to Silicon Valley and figure out how to stop the like pipeline between the like FTC and the pipeline between the FTC and the Pentagon and some of the private tech companies from the United States of America. Well, no, they can't do that. I mean, I'm obviously being fucking glib, but it's just like, come on, man.

Come on. Do you guys have a Pentagon in Canada? Yeah. What shape is yours? I don't know, it's probably some goofy gray building. It's a hexagon. We got the rhomboid. No, it's definitely nothing interesting.

It's not fun. Oz is a pentagram, man. Yeah. This is from when Aleister Crowley was the governor general. Yeah, it was the Vassaroy. Vassiceroy. Viceroy. The pentagram. That would be kind of fun.

Well, you know it was built on 9-11. That's the weirdest thing the Pentagon was. Like literally, it was 9-11, 1946 or something, I think. That's the day that they broke ground on it. Wow. Whose birthday was October 7th the other day It was the day that they broke ground on it. Wow. Whose birthday was October 7th the other day? You told me that it set off some bells. Herodotus died on October 7th.

No, it was Cyrus. Cyrus. Cyrus the Great died on October 7th. Or no, it might have been Nebuchadnezzar. Nebuchadnezzar died on October 7th. I don't know when this episode is coming out. We got two in the holster. But we talk about that on an episode we recorded yesterday.

Yeah. So, I don't know. We record this shit at a warter sometimes. You know, banking episodes, not the worst idea. You get bit sometimes when earth changing events happen, you're like, fuck, that was a good episode, but now it's dated. Yeah. That's show business. That's true

It is this also. I mean what? Every day is hell on earth we had so Lamonti on the show and then he died like two days after that one like I've been poor form to put it out We have in our archives and an interview with costume Sula money, but I can't do nothing with it now He had some good bits. He had some great bits Elevate the Bob Dylan. He's the one who came up with cello Antichrist a lot of people don't know that I can't take we can't take credit for you take credit for that one. That's all It's good stuff man, yeah, who says you can't have the rev the Iranian Revolutionary Garden and be a great podcast

Yeah, it's all about it's all about entertaining the masses he's got to give the people what they want and it's true I want to get back to the issue of media literacy Before we get too far away from that. Did they still teach that in the academy? I had a class called media literacy. Did you really? semester of college. What'd you learn? Well the professor was a guy named Dale Greer, RIP, what a legend. He was the co-host of the new show at Wave Louisville which I guess is the NBC affiliate. He and George Clooney's dad Nick were the co-hosts and had quite the dynamic. And his dad, Nick Clooney was um, were the co-hosts and they had quite the dynamic. And his dad, Nick Clooney was, was that his name, Nick?

Nick Clooney, yeah. He was a TV anchor, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. On like, he broke the news. He was like Walter Cronkite. Wave and Louisville. On Wave and Louisville, as you just said. In Cincinnati too, but when Dale, my professor,

gave me the name, it was Wave and Louisville. Sorry, I'm not paying attention. I just, you said George Clooney, and I immediately pictured a handsome man, and then all, that was it. As soon as I think of a handsome man, I just, I lose, I'm done. I lose all my concentration. Dale was very handsome too.

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Dude there was this old journalism professor At the University of Texas. I can't remember his name I think it was like Joe deals or something Joe digs or some shit like that, but I just remember my My buddy Dave told me that one time he was in his office and one of their students goes Joe You're just like Whitman and he goes Walt or Charlie is you know Charlie Whitman was the famous

school shooter oh boy That was lost on Steve. I didn't get that one. Sorry. He was the first He was he's the one that got up in the school tower at UT and you take you Several people Heartwarming I guess in yeah in that situation you want to be the guy who's sucking fucked across America rather than rather than yeah, yeah, absolutely You want to be the guy who's sucking fucked across America rather than rather than yeah, absolutely Yeah, rather the guy that was obsessed with Abe Lincoln. Yeah rather than the guy that Shot Lincoln in the darkness of democracy She was like shot him in the nuts shot him in the nuts shot him right there in the nuts in the theater

That would have been that would have been so much better for history if If he had his dick blown off. We're cutting the Lincoln generations off. I'm not gonna kill you, I'm just gonna make sure that there's no more. Yeah, why am I blinking on the guy's name that shot Abe Lincoln? John Wilkes Booth.

John Wilkes Booth. He was an actor. He was. What if he blew Abe's nuts off instead of blowing him? You know you weren't a very good actor when you're no more he blew Abe's nuts off instead of blowing you know you weren't a very good actor when you know more for blowing Abe's nuts off in your theater presence in uh-huh his brother god I just heard about the summer I don't know were you guys talking about it was someone talking about it like his brother there's like a famous letter he wrote basically being like,

I am very sorry for what my brother did. Like, I guess like there was some like, there was some like, like it's either like he was involved in like the dramatic arts and like was, you know, the head of like a, oh, you know what it is? I fucking, of all people, I think it was Fran Lebowitz talking about it like at the like

National Arts Center or like like the the one of the like private clubs for like people who work in theater. Mm-hmm John Wilkes Booth brother either like started it or was like one of the first people to like oversee it in New York and then like yeah like the famous famous like acting no it was like like a club who worked like in drama he started he started Juilliard it's Juilliard Wilkes Booth he wrote he said listen don't judge all us booths by what one did bad apples yeah but yeah apparently there's like a whole letter that he's written like damn I would have done that if my brother shot the president yeah unless he was Trump if my

brother shot Trump I'd be like hey you know this is why we don't have video because you can't see what just John Hinkley's brother. I'm sorry. I'm sorry mr. Reagan that my brother didn't really do any damage to you He's really more of a songwriter Well We're at over an hour here boys. We can wind this down if you want or we can talk more about Canada. So it's all up to you. It's up to you guys.

Really really has been strange to just see like how quick Jason first plus. That's beautiful. But just like how quickly everyone really did coalesce around like the fear of tariffs and just being like You know, I saw today that Jay Powell Or yesterday Jay Jerome Jerome. I guess my buddy JP J J dog J to kiss Jpo He said that he would have cuz like him and Jada Jay dog. Yeah Jada kiss Jaypo

He said that he would have cuz like him and Trump him and Trevor engaged in this like war right now because like Trump last week wrote him a letter. Did you I don't know if you guys saw this He wrote him a letter that had the top 50 countries like the top 50 countries like it had the interest rates for 50 countries on it right and at the top is obviously Switzerland their interest rate is like fucking point two or something like that and then like the United States is at the very bottom with like fucking Vietnam and Cambodia and shit and it's

like six percent or something and Trump wrote Powell letter that was like we need to be up here we need to be in you know, like number one he's been trying to get him to lower interest rates for months and Saying that he's gonna fire him any day. My hunch is that we're never we get to point 2% I think that's about now we're we're cooked. It's not happening But his tenure is up like next year. In May, yeah. Yeah, but Trump fell, said yesterday, he was like, I would have lowered interest rates if it wasn't for tariffs.

So he shot back. He clapped back. Damn. J-po clapped back. J-pow. J-pow. Pow. You come for that Fed independence, you best not miss.

You best not miss, baby. J-pow. J-pow, pow. Fed independence you best not miss A Republican appointee is he not or is he an Obama appointee? I can't remember Republican I'm pretty sure Trump appointed him. Yeah Trump literally appointed him in the first his first term Because I think they have like five-year terms or something like that. Yeah, there's some shit maybe six here Fuck if I know man I don't know bro Fed chair Fed chair yeah I want to sit in the fret fed throne taking it back that's a Canada you know they're their gas hits in the room yeah well we've got you know we've got him. We've got our central banker. Who is your he ran?

He ran Canada Mark Carney did he ran Canada out of 2008 mark Carney was the central bank He was the central banker, and then he was the central banker of the Bank of England during brexit what and now We brought him home, baby. They lent him out. They loaned him out like a soccer team will He hit the financial transfer portal the central bank transfer window England scooped him up in a coup damn that's right Lau was gonna get Jerome Pound yeah yeah they, like a surprise signing. So I think this is like the whole thing. Like, that's all that, like in Canada, you know, like Pierre Polyaev and this whole sort of like Trump thing, they're like, it doesn't work here.

We prefer to like have a liberal centrist continue this like neoliberal project in a way that we don't want to think about how we've had like white nationalists festering in our back like because it's people in Canada I think like to think that somehow we're immune from what they perceive to be uniquely American problems right which of course they're not, because they're problems of capital. Right, right, right, right.

And of people's exposure to the vagaries, that's a word, right? Vagaries. Vagaries of capital, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But for some reason, because Canadians are like, sorry, eh, those issues aren't happening Yeah, you guys are like an entire country of Midwesterners. Yeah. Yeah

Berman if Minnesota was yeah, exactly, which is nice in a good way No, totally totally like I think there is there is like, you know, there's a People are still wanting to like talk to their neighbors kind of overall but it is like a To suggest that like that, you know, yeah, it's not happening right in Canada is Ludicrous there's not a single country in the West. It doesn't have some insane white supremacist problem at the moment. Yeah, it's it's it's a Or ever I don't know if there's ever been a single country in the West that hasn't had a white supremacist problem at the moment. Yeah. It's, it's, it's, uh, or ever. I don't know if there's ever been a single country in the West that hasn't had a white supremacist problem.

Especially, especially like two major fucking colonial, like, right, you know, which is why they have white supremacist problems. Yeah. Yeah, you're going to go where there's some precedents for your success. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. It's your home turf, right?

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. It's good. Yeah, it's your home turf, right? Right, yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. It's good, yeah, we're fine. Everything's fine. No, I mean, no, you're fucked. Like I said, we're all fucked. Yeah. The best we can hope for is, I don't know.

To get shot in the nuts in the theater. To to get our nuts blown off and have our brother apologize have her brother That'll be tight my brothers would apologize for me if I shot and that's all it's a revisionist history Like it's like kind of what Tarantino does once fun time in Hollywood But it's like what if a was shot in the nuts instead of the head There's one fun time in Hollywood, but it's like what if I was shot in the nuts instead of the head I mean, that's basically that's basically the end of hateful eight Yeah, sorry, it's been done I Never saw that one. I just saw it when I was in LA at the end of this you have a alt history of a the Samuel L. Jackson's like

You know Union Bounty hunter general character. Oh. It gets shot in the nuts. Damn. Spoiler alert for the movie. In the Knits. The movie you haven't seen that yet.

In the Knits. Rat in my Knits. Rat in my Knits. Oh God. Well this weekend is the Fourth of July. If you're gonna respect my authority. If you're lucky enough to hear this before the 4th, before tomorrow if it comes out tonight in fact. The Cartman immediately you just shut down.

I had to intervene. This is what I have to deal with. I had to intervene. Try not to blow your nuts off with some Roman candles. Dude, do not blow your nuts off. some roman candles dude do not blow your nuts off Protect your dad blew his hand off right? Yeah, no he didn't blow his hand off, but he did Don't end up in the emergency room His hands his arms were like the ends were like blown

like shrapnel No, he just burned himself really bad protect your digits. Yeah, don't burn. Don't blow your shit up. I mean Don't blow your nuts off don't blow your hands off get some dietary fiber, you know, I don't know what else I get that every day. You gotta get that I get that every day. I get too much I think it's had the opposite effect. Well one of our listeners suggested I do that every day. I do that every day. You gotta get that. I get that every day. I get too much. I think it's had the opposite effect. Well, one of our listeners suggested I do psyllium, the Metamucil. Well, I'm gonna have to push back.

I don't do the psyllium husk because I have Barrett's esophagus too and they can just get wanged up in there. It's true, but you gotta drink a ton of water with it. Yeah, that's true. It has worked for me though. So, whatever listeners recommended that, thanks. You've really helped me out.

I'm regular again. See? I'm all regular. A show for and by the people. That's right. I listen to your poop recommendations. I listen to some of- It's already paying dividends.

That just came out like three days ago. That was a dramatic turnaround. That was like two weeks ago. That's how often we talk about her You got it. We're at that point men of a certain age and all people of a certain age I'm also starting to finally tackle my insomnia. That's good. I have a book That's the one I'm worried about if I'm being totally honest with it dead ass, dude. I've got a I've got a book for I'm not worried about my my sleep I'm worried about yours oh yeah I sleep like

a goddamn baby yeah when you finally get to sleep no no I get to you hang out with Steve man it's four in the morning you're like no let's just we can keep going I can listen I could go I can go, that sounds like I'm trying to take you home with me. I was gonna say I can go all night. I can go all night. I can go all night. Making love to the sun comes up. I gotta take this.

No, I think that's touring just totally broke. I know, dawg. I now fall asleep. You gotta be up for the hang. I can just fall asleep and I can be up for the hang. I've been really struggling with it sleeping insomnia sleep apnea all this shit fatigue and It's part of the reason why I've not been able to tour

Like why we haven't done a tour because I'm like, I don't know how the fuck that's gonna work Like I I don't cuz I don't I had to get on it soon. I've had three banks call me since I've had three banks call me since If I had it you jackals would have it dude, yeah, I did too I did a sleep study I tried to do a sleep study a few weeks ago, and I couldn't get to sleep and they kicked me out Oh, yeah, they were like they were like, but we won't charge you though and Tom goes. Oh You're gonna bill for that. Yeah, and sure enough, two days ago I get a $700 bill for it. It's nice though. Billed as an attempt at a sleep stop.

And I called him, I was like, I'm not paying this. I didn't fall asleep. What am I gonna pay for it? Y'all wanted to see this money should have created more relaxing. All I got was some dude ranting to me about a nurse technician ranting to me about chemtrails Weather engineering in the summer of love mr. Ray it is unfortunate that you met Harold our crazy attendant, but He did put some diodes on you, so we're gonna need that we're gonna need $700 for the diodes For your snooze diodes

Yeah, but not all I had to do is buy a $12 book from the fucking bookstore it's got some good shit in it what it say in there there's a book so boring you just read this is to bed. This is a pretty long preamble for you saying you've been reading the dictionary to go to bed. No, there's a Trubyles reading list I think. There sure is. Like someone made it on our subreddit. You add this one to the list. It's called quiet your mind and go to sleep. It's good. It's just, what it is, is it's like basically's like, all insomniacs, myself included, make the common mistake of being like,

well, I know I'm not gonna sleep well tonight, so I need to go to bed early as fuck and sleep in late, and that's the wrong way to do it. What you have to do is you have to get up at the same time every morning, go to bed the same time every night, and try to get between six, seven, eight hours. And even if you don't sleep,

even if you don't get any sleep, still get up at the same time, don't linger around in bed because your body has like a sleep drive. It recharges every day. And if you just linger in bed for too long or just like fucking toss and turn all night, you're not gonna be able to recharge that like you need to.

So just basically, it's kind of like, just don't sleep. I mean, just let yourself, don't take naps during the course of the day, and then eventually your body will get back on a schedule where it's like, all right, I need to sleep tonight because I'm not getting any. Whereas what I was doing was I was getting like nine hours of shitty sleep

You know what I'm saying, so it's better to get six quality hours course exactly. Oh, yeah, it's exactly exactly Yeah, this is it. This is the same principle for me as like if you have to take an early flight Mmm, you're like okay. I got to be at the airport at 5 a.m. Yeah, you know you're like I should go to bed early you're like You're if you go to bed at 11 every night, and you try to go to bed at you know whatever 8 or 9 Yeah, you're not gonna sleep no so like it seems kind of like the same thing You're just like yeah some days that means you get five hours of sleep Yeah, you know and you shouldn't leave your apartment or whatever, but like yeah

No, that makes sense to me your body apparently your body temperature drops to its lowest around 3 or 4 a.m. Every night and Naturally after that happens You'll start recharging your sleep drive and so you'll naturally wake up about two hours after that happens So there's like all kinds of shit going on that like but it's working. That's the that's the important thing. It's been of shit going on that like. But it's working, that's the important thing. It's been, it's been, I feel better this week than I have in a long time. That's good.

I probably look like shit. No, you look great. I've seen your stomach twice already. Flexing out. Yeah, you look great. Yeah, well I'm getting the Drake abs before our pool party tomorrow. There you go.

Oh, you're going to a little outpatient procedure this evening. Yeah, I was gonna go get my. Just shows up with all these incisions. I was gonna say, yeah. Or is it like a new, is there something, are they cooking up something at UK where you can get that ab surgery

without having any incisions? I'm kidding. So that you can go swimming if you need to. Because what's the point in having the abs if you can't show them off I'm showing up to our 4th of July pool party tomorrow. Just add the fuck It's good, I'm gonna look so good drink no water no salt And then get like infections in the incision That's what the chlorine's for.

Yeah, yeah, that's right. Blood is leaking out into the blood. It's gonna make everybody uncomfortable when you got a Greg Luganis situation over here. Did Greg Luganis bleed in the water? Well, that was the pant, because he was HIV positive and then he bled. Oh.

And everybody's like, whoa. I'm not HIV positive though, dude. I wasn't saying that part, I'm just mean. The blood in the water. You implied that I was HIV positive though, dude. I wasn't saying that part. I'm just mean The blood in the water you implied that I was HIV positive. Let me change it. It's a Dave Matthews That's a much better sorry and he's talking of course about the Chicago River I just want to reiterate again Terrence doesn't have a Dude I love Dave day You love DMV even though even though we don't have to relitigate this even though you're not a jam band guy I'm not a jam band guy, but it's a different jamming because they have a saxophone right now

Fuck I'll fuck with the saxophone in a jam But like guitar noodling I like it for the first two minutes, then I'm like, all right. All right, let's move on Yeah next instrument Not a king gizzard and the lizard wizard guy everybody loves that band I'm not listening to a single song I got the inside baseball there, you know that in amphitheater. They're building side rep arena They're going to be the first act to play there. That makes sense to me. Yeah makes sense to me. They seem I like their concept Like I said, I've never listened But I like the concept of making basically a new genre album every time you put out an album

I like that like wean kind of yeah, I used to love to some degree. Yeah He's done like one Well, I guess he's done bluegrass Changes it up. Sound and fury is like kind of like a ZZ Top of the night or kind of thing you know Yeah, I like that album me too Yeah, that's good stuff That's good stuff Shit well we could talk about music and Drake and his abs all day, but we got places we need to be yeah

We got lunch lunch lunch to eat before we leave Steve would you like to plug anything? Oh boy? Yeah, bands gonna be on tour starting though in a week again No, I am I am not in fact David fathead Newman much though I might I am I am not in fact David fathead Newman Yeah, the band will be on the road if you're listening in oh man, New Zealand or Australia will be there in August Damn will be in the US with our good friend Jeff Rosenstock. I'm a heaps excited to say oh, yeah First time in New Zealand actually never been before Will be in throughout the continental US go to that place where they made the Shire Oh is I don't even know if I'm gonna be so fucked up. You can't go to the Shire

I don't know I might be too fucked up for the Shire and that's a sad state of affairs when a man's too fucked up It would be funny to pass out drunk at the Shire It would be funny to pass out drunk at the Shire Mike guy in the graveyard you're yeah exactly look at me that too much pop lead, but I'll do Sorry We'll be out with Jeff Rosenstock and echo astral who did that really that really great music festival recently in in Washington DC We'll be all over the US and then we'll be in Canada at the end of the year, which is you know a real

real great time to see my country in December and December December, I feel like this is a Season. Mm-hmm. I feel like this is an insight into how the music industry is because you buried the lead which is that you guys also just Put out an album. We did just put out a record. Yeah, you can also go listen to that. Yeah, we put a record out Thank you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Fine, right that thing that was two years of my life. Yeah Yeah, we put a record out in May that we made with the exquisite producer in Los Angeles named John Congleton It's called who will look after the dogs

Yeah, and it's out and you can get it or you can come see us on the road or you don't have to do any of that shit Man, I would suggest you do some of that To answer that question if I lived in Toronto, I'd take care of big O for me. Yeah My dog big Oh my dog all of oh Yeah Yeah, well um I'm not big on dogs, but I'd probably like your dog She's dumb as hell mmm Okay, I'd probably like her. I won't have to write any apology letters for any

I'm sorry. She bit your nuts off She bit your nuts off Well, go see pup I go by and or listen to their album you can do what I do Which is just put the album on stream in those like all day I just let it stream all night and so you can make 17 cents there you go. Yeah, and Go give Steve 17 cents. Two years of his life for 17 cents. That's right. But yeah, anything else?

Anything else to plug? Trillbilly podcast, here we are. Damn, they're right, this is the Trillbillies. My other show, at the Bod Pod, I always get them confused sometimes. That's true. It gives me brain fog. That's true, now. Brain fog at the Bod Pod. Brain fog at the bod pod, I always get them confused sometimes. That's true. It gives me brain fog. That's true.

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