Trillbilly Worker's Party - Episode 401: Gotta Have Them Libs

Episode Date: July 17, 2025

This week we're talking "toxic empathy," more Epstein-Trump news, and finally the new Democratic formula for success: saying more curse words Support us on Patreon: www.patreon.com/trillbillyworkersparty

Oh wow. Do you boys suffer from toxic empathy? It has been my experience that anybody with the bad taste to call themselves an empath usually ends up being the biggest chaotic person you could ever shake a stick at. Just my experience. What would you call yourself in...like is there a normal way to be Just my experience. What would you call yourself in, like is there a normal way to be empathic,

to just care about people? Instead of like making it become your whole personality. Yeah. I'm gonna give you a little free game boys. The best way, somebody approached Andy Warhol one time and asked him what like, you know, what the best look Somebody approached Andy Warhol one time and asked him what black You know what the best look was for him You know best haircut the best way to dress the best way to kind of

Differentiate yourself from the pack and Andy Warhol a man who was famous for wearing a wig most of his life Said to him. I think the best looks just a good plain look. Okay Similarly similarly, I think the best way to be in the world is just be regular. Like poop every- Be normal about everything. Make sure you poop every day, make sure you're regular and you're not sure you're going to drink water. Well, that's important too for a different reason. Lots of fiber. But if somebody approaches you and they say to you, how do I feel? They could tell you the wildest thing in the world. They could tell you the latest and greatest pop

Psychology thing that they've diagnosed themselves with and you just here's what you do with the look of steely resolve say Well, you know you can't rule it out It pops psychology still a thing. It's like that was a big thing there like ten years ago with the rise of Malcolm Gladwell, which kind of coincidentally when you think about it Seated within the population this idea of genetic innate Patterns and tendencies which would then go on to allow the alt-right to reintroduce the idea of like scientific racism Yeah, you know what I'm saying? They had to backdoor themselves into race science is what Gladwell at all didn't realize or maybe they did realize, you know.

I mean, I mean weren't there, I remember seeing articles about how there's a like a literal or supposedly a liberal sort of mindset. They almost made it seem as if like the different sides of your brain They're responsible for different activities and functions. You know they were like well the conservative brain functions different there was that's true around 2016 there was a lot of articles in the New York Times in the Atlantic and whatnot about how yeah how the conservative brain is in the Atlantic and whatnot about how, yeah, how the conservative brain is physiologically different than the liberal brain. That there was like.

It's smoother. There's something about the architecture was inherently different. Yeah. Like what if we would have just been born with conservative architectural brains? Like can you overcome the scaffolding? Yeah.

I know. Did you ever the scaffolding? Yeah, you know Did you ever read gladwell? I? Read him a lot and then I should have known something was up when he said that Koreans are better at flying planes and Colombians For some reason that didn't clock as racist in those days that clocked as like heady like Some people better know or you let or you tell us Right right and then I read like the Malcolm help me out

Alto Malcolm Harris, but I'll confuse those guys all the time actually which is I can see them in my head. I. I don't eat enough fatty fish to really have quick recall anymore. But he's talking about the founder of Red Book, I think it was Red Book, or maybe Reader's Digest, this wealthy woman. I think she may have been even married to the founder of Stanford University. He basically just wrote this article, he's's like Mexicans are good at cutting grass and Chinese are good at this and that and like and like we still subscribe largely to that racial cast system that racialized underclass that we like certain races do certain jobs and Gladwell just

kind of took that into the 21st century if you think about it. Yeah. You truly, truly did. Well there was, in the 2000s, especially around the time of Obama, Obama's first term, you saw a rise in this discourse of, this is actually even true, this is kind of the point I was trying to make with that article I wrote for the nation in December that like you saw a rise in this analytic mode that liberals were employing where they did not want to talk about like

environmental or cultural or Political economic causes for things like everything had to be boiled down to brain like the literal physiological and psychological Way it's because with their brain They don't get in the head. No, that's that's that's like again I mean, I never really talked about it on the show But that article I wrote for the nation like you could see this arc where they started out asking themselves after the Like you could see this arc where they started out asking themselves after the 2000 and 2004 elections Like why do rural people vote against their own interests and then by the time of Obama's first really a second term

They had landed on the they had landed on the conclusion that they vote against their interests because they have deep-seated Physiological and psychological Tendencies that make them seek out self-destructive patterns and who would go on to physiological and psychological tendencies that make them seek out self-destructive patterns. And who would go on to reproduce this exact same talking point? None other than JD Vance in Hillbilly Elegy. Like there's like a line in there

where he's like talking about like these people who studied people in West Virginia and found that people there are literally more predisposed towards self-destructive patterns, and that includes voting against their interests, which I guess, if you're gonna say that, you can't go on to then be vice president of the party. You don't understand?

Oh dude, it essentializes, it bio-essentializes not just racism, but sort of like why poor people, why they deserve their lot or why their lives are the way they are, you know? It's not even that they themselves are even, it's not even like putting the onus on them in a moral way, like shaming them, but it's actually like, well, they can't help it, you know? They can't help it. Which is more depressing to think about than like, okay, we're just going to re-educate everybody, you know what I mean? That's even more depressing because then about that like, okay, we're just gonna reeducate everybody

You know to me that's even more depressing because they're like, oh, it's not possible at all because they're always gonna be like this So we don't really have to do anything about it, you know Father forgive them. They know not what they do Well glad well was the cutoff man for that line of thinking too because let's not forget in that same book where he said Koreans Are better at flying planes and Colombians. He said that Hillbillies descended from Scottish clansmen. Maybe I shouldn't say it that way. Scottish Presbyterians who exhibit clannish behavior by virtue of that violent behavior because there was a code of honor.

If you stole a pig off me, I had like kill your firstborn child or something like that That's why we developed these self-destructive habits. You know what I mean and so JD took a step further by said yeah my grandpa chased mama with a chainsaw and then she like Hit him between the eyes with a frying pan and as last time he did that also keep also With a frying pan and as last time he did that also keep also Consider the fact that JD Vance was literally the you know

They were the ones saying remember when all those plane crashes were happening back in the spring they were like it's cuz dei Dei pilots well, I mean they still all say this obviously, but I mean what I saw the black man Just cannot fly It's just it's out of his nature to learn how to fly plane Charlie Kirk after the floods in Texas Charlie Kirk said That so many people died because Austin hired a DEI fire chief and like look I've I am very familiar with that area that camp is like two hours away from Austin It has nothing to do. I mean it's stupid that I'm even argue engaging with I mean, I just love the I just love thinking of the idea that like black people just inherently just cannot fly planes or operate heavy machinery

It's not even it's not even just because of woke isms actually because there's something wrong It's not even it's not even just because of woke isms actually because there's something wrong With the women and people of color why they can't operate every machine He's also skating around the idea that Elon's first act as doge was firing the FAA administrator, too There was like six airplane crashes it clicked like first week on the job Trump to like didn't like a bunch of school kids get killed like crashed into the Hudson or something like days after they fired the FAA administrator Yeah, dude What was their beef with that guy did he did he know something on him or something?

The FAA guy yeah, he's like the first one to go. He's like right out of the gate. It's like Well, I mean I mean if like like we've talked about if everything is just geared towards killing everyone as quickly as possible You know, I'm pretty sure high up on their less was the guy responsible for making air travel safe You know, well, that's the first thing they did and then it went to Robert F Kennedy like legalizing listeria, you know Don't get it. I don't get it. Legalize it. Legalize it, man. Don't criticize it. When it's coursing through every one of your tissues. You just made me think of anti-vaxxer Bob Barley.

I want to tell you all a harsh truth where we have to look in the eye. If brother Bob would have survived melanoma, he would have been an anti-vaxxer. He probably would have been an anti-vaxxer. He probably would have been an anti-vaxxer. He probably would have been actually. You're right. I want to know, can hillbillies fly planes? What's your thoughts on that, Tom? I don't want to find out. The American hillbilly is, you know, there's a lot of things he can do, but he's a landlocked landwagon. You know what I mean?

He's a terrestrial creature? Yeah. Yeah. Land where? He's a terrestrial creature Yeah Yeah Man has his place in the world I feel like I'm sure there was a pilot or maybe an astronaut even who came from hillbilly

land turned out to like you know What's his name? Francis Gary Powers? Well, Francis. He was not very good at flying planes apparently. I was thinking of Homer Hickam, this rocket scientist. Oh yeah, yeah.

Yeah. That's true. The thing about Hillbillies is we miss the memo on being consistently good at things. And yeah, you know, it's better, conventional wisdom says it's better to be consistently good than occasionally exceptional and hillbillies miss that day of school Because we are occasionally very exceptional but routinely Man the reason I asked about toxic empathy is because

Ross do that has a new episode out of interesting times. I love that the title of his podcast interesting times It's hosted on the New York Times website Cuz like the New York Times is trying to turn all of its op-ed writers into vloggers basically like Ross Duthat, Ezra Klein like they're all pivoting to video. So the most unlikable people? Man, I'm gonna tell you something a lot of these people pivoting to video is just not gonna be the thing for them you know what I mean I think Richard Brody is a

fine film critic I don't think I need to look at him just Not what one would turn my handsome man Well, everybody has to be a podcast or a vlogger now, you know Feel like you're a little too late on that though. He's he has an interview with this right-wing influencer named Ali Beth Stuckey The title of the interview is is toxic empathy pulling Christians to the left how Ali Beth Stuckey is holding the line on the right and We see persons first name Ali Ali middle name Beth. She's got the name of like a school shooter. They gave her I couldn't tell if it one. I have a middle name

To be a school shooter you have to have a middle name to be a school shooter. Yeah Or a shooter of any consequence has there ever been as well has there ever been a shooter a school shooter of any kind? He just has one name like Prince like Sam Ronaldo like a Brazilian soccer player Like Ronaldo like a Brazilian soccer player Yeah, like right Ronaldo do you know I guess Luigi Luigi could be the first Ronald allegedly No, like Luigi the alleged shooter of Bryan Thompson Has no name he's an I'm still of the opinion his head just did that

person You can't rule it out that article we write about of mine to patreon is in my opinion the best thing we've ever read on The show I'm not just plugging the patreon like genuinely The best I think it's the best thing we've ever read on the show. It delivered in spades, and it just kept coming. Yeah. Sometimes the source material you gotta kinda church up with a little sophomoreish humor, but that was just, just kept coming. Took care of it for us. Well, I, I read every bit of that interview with Ali Beth Stuckey.

I do not exaggerate when I say it is the most hateful Foreboding Just dark Evil thing I've ever read just genuinely straight-up evil. I don't know I'm Peter to shit yeah, it's way worse than the Peter tilt shit because like Peter till is a Drugged up psycho like this is just a this is a clear-eyed psycho. This is a is a sober psycho And the worst guy yeah, it's I'm not gonna really get into it, but basically her argument is that Basically her argument is that showing empathy towards people who, as she puts it

here, don't adhere to biblical gender norms or marriage norms or don't believe in, um, uh, or who support abortion, like showing empathy towards them is deeply evil. And that's a, and that's a and that's a basically like Ross Do that is like asking her like isn't it doesn't you know Christ tell us to be you know good Samaritan right like you Want to show compassion towards your fellow man. She's like yes, right for example I was in the airport and this woman helped me out and then I paid it for that That's an example of good empathy, but bad empathy, evil empathy is when you show empathy towards a transgender or a non-binary person.

Why, because they don't deserve, yo, these people, dog, I've said it before, but these people are so anti-social that a big part of the reason why we exist as we do as human beings in communities is because of empathy, right? Because being able to be compassionate, right? These people would have been left by their tribes on the savanna like 100,000 years ago, you know what I mean?

Everything they're saying is just antithetical to being a human being. Well, the thing about it is for me is like, these people think the sine qua non of empathy is like paying for a stranger's coffee. Like, you know what I mean? That's supposed to be like the needle mover or something right that's like but but like they would like dime their neighbors out to the Nazis at the drop of a hat based on just like what's legal or whatever you know I

don't get that I don't get that I mean there I have to say, every time I read these interviews that Ross does with people in his interesting times, these are interesting times if toxic empathy is becoming a thing. I guess I gotta hand it to Ross there. I mean, he does press around a few things, but then he concedes a lot of stuff to her as well. But basically, he brings up immigration too. And he's like, well, what do you say to people who are evangelicals or whatever,

who are concerned about cruelty in ICE facilities or sending them to penal colonies in Central America or whatever? And she's like, I would ask you, why can't you show empathy with the people who are victimized by immigrants? And Ross is like, oh, you mean, empathy with the people who are victimized by immigrants and Ross is like oh you mean Yeah, like people who are murdered by immigrants, and it's like That what does that mean people are murdered by people every day like Americans are murdered by Americans Americans are

even even if I would say I Would say that white Americans probably murder white Americans more than anybody I would say that white Americans probably murder white Americans more than anybody It's the same thing they were doing with like black-on-black crime in the 90s and 80s, you know what I mean? it's like well you've like like sequestered and fucking segregated people to like when crime happens, of course It's gonna happen amongst people that have been segregated and sequestered and living in the same communities and areas.

You know what I'm saying? Who else you gonna kill? You know? If you can't kill your neighbors, who can you kill? You know, of course. It's so stupid. I bet if you looked at that very seriously, like, like, yeah, most people are not killed by immigrants. I would surmise even if they were Even if they were it's still it doesn't say anything What is that actually in part to an immigrant like that? They are inherently violent

is that what you're saying because again, I can look at like the plethora of white on white pilots and be like well clearly white people are also very violent and Barbaric so what is your fucking point like there is no right? We may be the only ones that venture outside the tribe a little bit to do our balance though. Yeah, it's great Also the empathy that she's supposedly speaking of or withholding empathy is like it's she's making it transactional You know like it's a zero-sum game Yeah, if you couldn't have let's forget, you know empathy for victims of them crimes committed by immigrants fuck that but just say Victims of violent crime, right?

Why couldn't you have empathy for them as well as having empathy from people who are escaping a violent society or poverty to come? To the United States in the hope for a better life, you know, yeah, like I mean, obviously it's all just fucking race-based Essentially this is just a racist you know I mean yeah, no go turns 100% it's it's it's somebody who has a genuinely Genocidal worldview, that's why we felt deeply evil reading it And it's why it's absurd that Ross just takes it like at face value like these are interesting times All right, is this some video was this was this transaction on video? That ross just takes it like at face value like these are interesting times alright Is this some video was this was this transaction on video it was that the good sense to keep raw oh they did oh? Yeah, Ross is um he's a video star now

They're letting them button his shirt down a little bit like the chairs here Ooga That's why Peter till I had such a bad interview he was so horned up for Ross he was like sweating he's like oh my God oh man Ross Bullshit and shit. Yeah, the big-ass me Look, it's actually better this stone cold fuck Damon You got the big ass bae Look it's sexy today shit I'm gonna keep dinner with this stone cold fuck demon

What are y'all doing to me? You know I'm homosexual right? Oh shit I didn't even think of that I forgot that he's I wasn't trying to be homophobic I totally forgot Peter Till Oh Ross is gay? No Ross isn't gay

Peter Till is gay no Ross isn't He's just not someone I associate with second human sexuality like Peter till He's in my Hillary Clinton category like when he goes home. He makes the Maybe like Zito sexuality, you know the sexuality of like far off alien Man Talk empathy man like Ross in the interview right he's asking her like well. What do you have to say about like the people who What do we have to say about the fact that Trump is an inveterate liar? rapist a sexual assault assaulter like

Pedophile Pedophile this and she's like look he's not perfect But Biden instructed USDA to defund schools when they didn't use gender-neutral bathrooms So we and that's evil so we have to go with Trump and it's like it's I guess the thing is it's like You kind of see and this is this won't surprise anybody who grew up in the church or grew around evangelicals but like Even then in the 90s like you could still get a concession out of them that like okay Yes, society should not be probably not be ordered along religious

conservative Christian lines right like there's a separation of church and state but like it's just you know de rigore now that like society must adhere to what they think this thousand two thousand year old document says and You know they won't truck with any bit of and they won't truck with any bit of compromise on that. And the thing is, is that platforming it, it's just, I mean, even having to engage with something that's like, that says that empathy is toxic, that toxic empathy is bad, I mean, has there, go ahead, Tom.

If you think about the hallmark of our society, and again, there's, you know, and again, there's, you know, we're inundated. There's whole sections of TikTok and other social media dedicated to like talking about narcissism and all these cluster B personalities, borderline personality, anti-social personalities start seeing creeping back into the discourse. Right. If there's some, you know, a modicum of truth or something in sort of the rise of that kind of stuff or the thirst for that kind of content or whatever, then it would suggest that the hallmark of our time

is the discarding of empathy. In fact, we're a society that rewards like having, you know, selective empathy. Cruelty and ant-sociality. Yeah So it makes sense you know just on the on the surface that was JD Vance's thing a few months ago I remember his like his thing about like ordo anal lice. I love ordo anal lice. I love anal Angus, too That's another cudgel of the Scottish Presbyterian. You must be empathic when you're stroking from the top. Cup the balls. When you're having gay sex,

be empathic and cup the balls. Speaking of that- There's real empathy, brother. Did you guys see him running? Did you see him running at Disneyland or-? Jade events JD Vance yeah, oh my god I sound like the way you made it sound preface to it like just your toe bit It's not like he's running to all fours Did you have a leash to he reverted back to a Samian wise Like a tapir or something crossing a road in the African no I gotta be something more hideous than that tapers acute no he

was a wombat I well wait just a goddamn second thought it's a beautiful creature I I don't know man I'm just like this is It's pretty unambiguous and obviously this is an audio program. I can't show you, but if you just google like JD Vance running Disneyland or whatever it's like the guys feet don't touch the ground. Let's just say that Yeah, yeah, it was not a great display of athleticism, I have to say. It was, uh, I mean, I'm just- He looked like he was running over hot coals. There are- there are- There are men I know who are the queeniest men I'll ever meet, right? And even they have more

sort of- Wait, was his heels- was his heels like, his heels kicking his ass cheeks while he's running yes, he was like oh my god He was cool it was very Queen let's just say You know you just made me think have we ever had like a Athletic Broly president I feel like they've all been pieces of shit like I mean physically speaking mmm, I don't know, Gerald Ford? Wait, who's the Teddy? What's the Teddy, like, the Hunter or some shit like that?

Spiro Agnew. Spiro Agnew. That was a man. I guess Gerald Ford played football at Michigan. Hmm. Ronald Reagan played a football player in a movie. Well, he wasn't a vice president. That's true. He wasn't a vice president Ronald Reagan played a lot of things in a lot of movies

Yeah All of this Obama was the Hooper in chief, but honestly yeah, I've not seen enough I've always seen steals of Obama hoop And I'm curious if they just built that up because I saw the man throw out a first pitch one time and I have to say Not great for him. I Did see this video of him hitting the three from the three-pointer and it was pretty clear How many takes do you think that they had to be exactly? I was just thinking Even even Michael Jordan wasn't great at baseball doesn't necessarily always translate right that's true. That is true

Well speaking of the cracked vessel I wanted to talk about the I mean With this show, you know news items usually putter out within three days right like items usually putter out within three days right like You can you can pretty much set your watch by a news story being old news after three or four days, but for some reason The Epstein thing is really I mean it is still going strong really on account of Trump Being the one that can't drop it

but begging everybody else to On account of Trump being the one that can't drop it but begging everybody else to I wanted to talk a little bit about it because yesterday he made another post in Which he called his supporters He says my past supporters have bought into this quote bullshit hook line and sinker Past supporters have bought into this quote bullshit hook line and sinker They have they haven't learned their lesson and probably never will even after being conned by the lunatic left for eight long years I've had more success in six months than perhaps any president in the country's history blah blah blah

but he talks about his followers as basically being deluded and stupid for still For still caring about this and for still listen. He called them traitors to but to the cause of some shit like that. Yes He he said that they were He said he no longer wants supportive weaklings who care about it So well of course not cuz he's got got anything else to run for so he doesn't care right right you know i mean honestly go ahead turns well i don't know i what are we to make

like what is the there's an article in the atlantic that i wanted to talk about that might actually provide an interesting way for us to talk about this because it it in my opinion it very Adequately covers the liberal interpretation of all this and Also at the same time gets into like the conservative case for all this but um it's written by Charlie wartsle who is really a great a really great writer man former defensive coordinator for the Notre Dame fighting Irish sounds like top ass name He's he's married to someone who also writes at the Atlantic.

Who the fuck is it? He's got like a newsletter called Galaxy Brain. He's just a classic liberal. Nobody, not even Trump, can control the Epstein story is the name of this article Donald Trump helped create a monster now He'd like for everyone to ignore it after years of sounding dog whistles and peddling outright Conspiracism to work his supporters into a lather about global pedophile rings Trump is telling those same people to move on earlier today. He posted on

Truth social okay this came out yesterday. Yeah That the Jeff free Epstein conspiracy a pillar of the magis cinematic universe is a quote hoax and went so far as to disavow his Past supporters over the issue let these weaklings continue forward and do the Democrats work. He wrote I don't want their support anymore the responses poured in immediately on the platform. It is not going well for him Why was Epstein in prison then? How about Ghislaine? For a hoax, I don't think so. In short, Trump appears to have lost control of the situation.

In a second term that's been defined by chaos, unpopular policies, and the dismantling of the government, Trump has managed to bounce back from one scandal after another, except perhaps from this one. If there's one person who can derail a Trump President presidency appears that it might be a convicted sex offender has been dead for nearly six years. The the Jeffrey Epstein saga is just about perfect as conspiracy theories go. Okay. This is what I wanted to get into like because it gets into like the liberal analysis of

the Epstein thing which to me is completely incoherent Jeffrey Epstein saga is just about perfect as conspiracy Conspiracy theories go at its core It's about a cabal of corrupt billionaires politicians and celebrities exploiting children on a distant island Catnip for online influencers and QAnon types who have bought into any number of outlandish stories. Yeah for such a dark Okay, can I just can I just say that? Like, I mean, historically speaking, and given the scandals, I mean, it is true that rich and powerful people exert their power

by taking, you know what I'm saying, by sexually assaulting women or children, you know? Like, I mean, literally, it's just a thing that just happens with these people, you know what I mean? It's not like some conspiracy. They're saying it like it's a conspiracy as if with this specific of Individual as if this isn't something that we've seen before you know that would make it possible and likely you know well to the liberal What they find most amusing is that Trump has entertained this quote-unquote conspiracy for so long and now it's coming around to bite him in the ass

When the truth of the whole thing becomes revealed like because I think the liberals think and I think this too in fact That there is no actual quote-unquote list Because that's like kind of like vulgar interpretation of there's not a list. It's not like you're gonna find like 16 individuals It's the truth. I get a mold skin by his bedside table is some shit like that The best the best movie could have ever done is return the list route, and it's just it's just one name on it bill clinton Said only bill clinton was I Think the thing is is that the reason why you can't actually release the truth of Epstein is

That it indicts not only a broad You know cat a broad swath of individuals across political alignments and whatnot It is so it is so deeply embedded in how political economy is reproduced in the West and by that I mean this weird murky You know combination of capitalism and industrial and the military industrial complex and intelligence agencies and also, you know what I'm saying like it's it's all these various things that You can't it's it's vulgar to just think that there's a list somewhere with just a bunch of names on it

Because the truth of the matter is that it would indict the entire Western capitalist system Rather than just like a few individuals does that make sense? I don't know that makes sense which is why would Trump which is to play on something that Thomas say, which is why he should just release a list, right? With names. Yeah. But just blot out, just black out, just sense about the names of people that like you don't want to be associated with, like your name.

Believe in Bill Clinton, right? And then maybe just throw in Obama, just for the... I would just put my political enemies out there. When I was a kid, we got, a bunch of us were on Perk Creek and we went down to Melissa Adams' house and we were kind of playing in their yard and stuff. It was like two in the morning. And Hattie, Melissa's mom came out there and said,

who is that out there? It's two in the morning, what are y'all doing out there? And James Ray Gala hair holler back and said, this is Adam Adams, Brenda and Larry's boy. And then took off running. And that's what he should do here is just I would just name my political enemies and be like, yeah, it's here. The list says Barack Hussein Obama, crooked, Joseph Robinette Biden William J. Clinton James Comey

James Comey Robert Mueller Well, okay, this begs the question of why hasn't he done that like why doesn't he just do that Like I guess is it an error in my opinion. I think part of it is because no such list exists Does that make sense like yeah? Yeah, it's it's in the sense that like a lot of these Like cloak and dagger secret society people like don't keep literal lists lying around of their accomplices.

It's more like a handshake system or like you've got blackmail on each other and as a result know that you know that that kind of thing can't come out. If there is some stupid mother fucker though that has evidence on their phone probably or some kind of device though, you know Like for sure. Yeah. Well, I think okay. The thing is it's like it's so deeply embedded I mean for example like Ghislaine's father Robert Maxwell like everybody knows Anthony Blinken's father

Was really close with Robert Maxwell, but I don't know if people know that like six Israeli prime ministers Came to his funeral as well including like the father of Isaac Herzog the current President of Israel. I mean like this guy was you know mob just like the Pope of Pettifol, bro Mobbed up like the Pope of Pettifol's, bro Former Israeli Prime Minister's yeah the goddamn you know fucking Tony Soprano sex criminals I think what it is is there's no way to publish anything on this that does not indict both Trump and or The Israeli Mossad and or the CIA and or ever it's kind of like this thing where that's

With all secret societies because they all have dirt on one another The whole point of that is that if one of them goes down they all go down, so that's why they get they can't Release anything on it really I mean I guess you could do like what Tom says like just write down some names to be like alright here's the list but I don't. Well and then well that's I mean my idea is a little bit better than what's being floated out there right now which is like an amnesty program for powerful pedophiles you know it's like Trump well you know he's got some rough edges, but in his heart. He's a good man. Did he fuck kids? Probably. Yeah He might be a pedophile, but he's our pedophile. I think I think what I'm saying is that if Trump was to do that

I'm pretty sure that because if this system is What I think it is. I Think if Trump was to do that Bill Clinton would be like alright Trump Here's the video of you fucking kids like you know I'm saying like they probably all have literal dirt on each other so that if One goes down they can then say like well Here's the direct evidence and proof of you doing this so you know what I mean like I just don't But do you think do you think though do you think though that honestly that liberals If let's say he was even to do this, right? Do you think that liberals would even like take the bait and like kind of clap back or say something or do you think that?

They're still maybe concerned with the quorum, you know And I mean also there is that article that headline I did send you with democrats are trying to get a little bit more uncouth, I guess you know Well, i'm gonna talk about that in a minute But Bill Clinton is not a liberal. He's not like a person Like Obama and Biden like Bill Clinton's a fucking gangster in the sense that like right right right right a pedophile right like he's like He's like Trump and so he would not for a minute hesitate to be like here. You know here's the fucking whatever I think that like you know because that that shit stretches back decades right like it's That's before the liberals became this whole like respectability machine where they that's true

to try to like care about like norms and institutions and all this I think that the I think that like and I think that this is what's amusing about the liberal interpretation of this like the current liberal interpretation of this as seen in this article where they just keep he keeps like Like you know you pointed it out a second ago Aaron like him like scolding people who think this is catnip for online influencers. It's like the Rich people have private islands. It's not even a fucking conspiracy We know about the island and the weird temple shrine on it and like you know what I'm saying like this is Not even conspiracy, but like the tone in this article on every other article

I've seen about it in the New York Times or whatever is just this kind of like amused like isn't it crazy that there's like They they really do think there's a conspiracy afoot here and like he goes on to admit that like Some of the some of the reporters like this woman Who wrote for The Julie K Brown who wrote for the Miami Herald leader or the Miami Herald Has you know wrote like a very in-depth investigation of Epstein a few years ago. It's like widely respected But even she now is like I don't think Epstein killed himself Like I don't believe that he committed suicide and so in this article. He has to take this line where it's like It's kind of crazy that they believe in

Conspiracism and all this but like you know the real story here is that it finally bit Trump if I you know I mean it finally came back to bite him See I got different there I think Epstein did kill himself, but only after it was revealed in the papers that his cock looked like a Robin's egg in a nest. Yeah. No, there ain't no coming back from that.

I mean, honestly, I didn't think that this was going to continue for as long as it did. Because on the one hand, you do have the people who are harkening him as the benevolent pedophile. Well, we know that Trump did it, but you know he's our guy. But then like we'd mentioned, there's this schism on the other side of that where there are people like, which I don't know why Elon is in this sort of contingent

because there's pictures of him with Maxwell, you know? That famous picture that he bans every time they fucking post it. But like, I'm just surprised that it continued for this long. And Trump is the kind of guy where, I mean, like we've said before, he's like, not that he's like, not that things can't happen to him, but he like, he just like, you expect that in every single situation, right? He won't actually suffer it from it at all. You know what I mean? Yeah, whether it's about fucking lying whether it's about anything that he's done that he's tied up in court with but for some reason This sticks and I'm just curious as to why it is. Is it because everyone is so deranged now that not that I'm saying call him this conspiracy that but that but that people are looking into I

Don't know like other sorts of explanations for why the world works the way it does, that we have like a cabal of pedophiles, or is it just because, I don't know, it has to do with fucking children, you know? Which it ranges most people, unless they're Palestinian, apparently. I don't think it's any of that, my friend. You want me to tell you what I think it is? I think it's the last drop of piss in the bucket.

All the rest of the piss is gone. The Epstein piss is all we got left. And if that ends up being a bust, then we're in for a real crisis. I think that's kind of the animating factor here. I think you're right, Tom. It allows them a certain degree of mystery and it empowers them to feel like they're also these investigators who are uncovering the secrecy

and mystique of the reality of the system. And once you've stripped that away, I've wondered about this. What's gonna happen to MAGA if a large portion of them do just it Trump's command to forget about it and move on like What Epstein is for them is a very vulgar explanation of several different things one of one is class society, right? But another is that it verifies to them that there is this liberal conspiracy afoot to like sexually prey on young children? And again, they pick up on these very real things, one of which is that class exploitation does exist and

there are elites and another which is that children are often sexually abused and trafficked and all this. And but because in the classic like conservative sense they can't actually indict Capitalism or or any of these patriarchy any of these other like systems of control and oppression They have to latch on to these very vulgar Explanations that like help them feel like they're doing something about it And that was always the thing with QAnon right right? And that was obviously the case with this as well. But I don't know, I think that once you've taken that away though, what happens to them?

Do they still keep talking about this stuff or do they just like, you know? Epstein's their reason for living. Think about that. He is, that's what I'm saying, right? He's all they have. He gives their life meaning. The pursuit of catching this long dead pedo is all they have left.

They thought Trump was going to be their conduit to that and their sort of champion. To see that he's turned on them is why this is, it remains, you know. Yeah. That's dark though too, man. It's like all you got in your day is the Epstein conspiracy. Yeah. I mean, it's like that movie,

I think it was a Nick Cage movie, I think, where he starts seeing this number or symbol everywhere, which is like a portending doom. These people see, they see the links to pedophilia everywhere they are. Instead of it being a class explanation, or even just afforded by your experiences. For them, it's about the things that happen

behind the shadowy doors, the smoky back rooms, things that they can't possibly control, but they feel like, you know, yeah, Trump is going to be their, their shining knight, you know. That's true. And that's the important factor here, which is that it is their way of engaging with this completely degraded and corrupt system because they believe they have a man on the inside and When that is proven to be not the case, I mean, I think some of them will double down I think some of them really are so delusional They'll be like he's all doing this because it's like it's his way of continuing his war against the cabal

Like these people are out of their fucking minds insane, right? Like these people are out of their fucking minds insane right like they're like you know the movie They live where you put on the glasses and everything is like the alias trying to sell you shit I mean, that's there, but the pedophilia glasses they put down on yeah, that is all that they see Take that off. It's like you can't unsee that you know so yeah, you're right. You know you're actually right I mean I'm wondering though if like if if they would have ever been satisfied like let's say that truck did release a list Right, let's say it included some of his political enemies or maybe not Whatever. Do you think that it would have like wrapped it up for them neatly or what if what if they've just spent the next decade?

Looking at the list, you know It's diving into it. That's a good question. I mean I Think probably not, right? Because they need it. It's like Tom said, it's like the only thing they've got. Like they don't, they've got, I mean, I guess they also still have this undying racist hatred of immigrants, right?

Need to see them suffer and be tortured and disappeared. Like they've got that. And they hate the left, but like, Epstein is kind of like the locusts or the animating Engine of that hatred of the left Which because I guess they just see Epstein is just a creation of liberals, which is like I think a big part of it is that they can't admit to themselves that like Epstein indicts like I said the entire political system it indicts the economic system it indicts the military system I mean it overlaps with several different things and part of it is that like

We also just if we're trying to present an alternative narrative like nope it like any conspiracy you can't even see The actual thing for what it is you can only see the broad Contours right like the broad contours, right? Like the broad outline. And so everybody's kind of playing at... Yeah, you can only... Everybody's kind of playing at a disadvantage there. But like with anything, with 9-11, with the JFK assassination, it's like your priors do inform how you're going to piece together a narrative about this. I mean, this has been in... This has been Pynchon's entire, you know, thing for his whole career. It's like, what are the- what are the ideological, you know, pieces laying around that you can pick up

and try to use to piece together a coherent narrative of this thing that's intentionally mystified and obscured and it's I I think that it's it's I don't know I don't know if the right can contain What is now becoming this completely like even more shattered and fragmented and degraded narrative? I don't I don't know. I don't know what becomes of them at that point. You know what? You know what man? You're so right I'm just I know not to repeat ourselves, but it's like these people are obviously more outraged clearly about Trump not releasing the supposed list than they are about like the harmful, injuring, damaging effects,

whatever of the big beautiful bill, you know, and how that's gonna affect their communities. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like it's just like, just seeing that sort of juxtaposition is like, I mean, I don't know man It's it's terrifying, you know, what is that? What does that mean when they have nothing else? You're right. What does that mean when they have nothing else to believe in?

You know because for them politics is this and it's this what it is is an exercise of And a lot of left is fall into this as well I mean I myself was doing this when I was happy that mem Donnie won Just because I like to see Coomo punished But like for I think anybody in that engages with politics, especially through the prism of social media You fall into this trap where you start engaging with politics is just a mechanism with which you can punish your enemies and Rather than actually like provide things for people or build a better society if it becomes something where it's just used as a

Instrument to punish your enemies then what does that leave you with when the inevitable? Disillusion sets in which was which will probably happen with mem Donnie right like once that You know disillusion sets in that he probably won't live up to a lot of expectations But granted I do think that you do need an element of punishing your enemies like obviously Obama should have punished The foot the Bush family right like war criminals, but that can't be the entire thing But yeah, I don't know it's very like I said it's very vulgar Way to engage with politics, but but yeah, so who would have been I guess I guess in their minds The people that would have gotten punished had Trump release this list would be I guess liberals right like his liberal political enemies

But somehow the entire right was is is not a subject to this Pedophile ring at all in their mind. Yes, I guess not if they were, probably would have been people like the Bush family and Cheney or something. I ain't getting people they hate anyway. But we like, it's like what Trump said, we like soldiers that don't get caught, talking about John McCain, it's like we like pedophiles that don't get caught. That's it. You know, honestly, that was kind of a weird gambit to give Malik absolute power and ask in return

that Malik police Malik. You know what I mean? Not sure that's ever worked at any point in the annals of history. Yeah. Well, I don't know. I guess, I mean, I don't even think it's one of those where we have to wait and see. Like, I'm not even reading the comments and I'm not even seeking it out.

I don't even really know. I've just been mostly gathering my interpretation of this from how I've seen the right-wing influencers and podcasters metabolize it and It seems like a lot of them are coming. They are kind of like on their Back foot a little bit because especially like that DC Draino guy who I think is a reprehensible worm Or that Prather guy that wears the cowboy hat like all the people who were there and did that stupid fucking dance when they released the Epstein files phase one or whatever They've all been kind of like a little bit like what the fuck what do we do now?

At least I have I have more respect for those people than the people who immediately act like it doesn't matter at all, you know Like I mean their tweets switch from day to day or you go back to like 2022 and they're talking about Oh Epstein didn't kill himself and now literally JD Vance Yeah, like JD Vance exactly like he was on Theo von and Theo von himself like retweeted that clip of him on Theo von from Two years ago and Theo von retweeted it yesterday. It was like what happened. I mean It's funny to me It's funny to me that JD Vance hasn't addressed it at all. He's tried to completely ignore it That's what I'm to eat some shit like that this week

And like we had less I guess people coming across the border, you know, apparently like this is I don't know I don't know if this is true or not, but he was celebrating that And also that NPR was defunded and he was like two big wins and all of the replies were like release the files It's funny these blue checks with American flag You know all that bluster they made about the Man-o-sphere and the Burro-sphere or whatever like all the those kinds of podcasts and that media infrastructure is what gave us Trump and to see them now all turning their back on him en mass because of the Epstein stuff it's like what do you do with that analysis now you just go back to the drawing board like or what does the MAGA movement become absent that support, if there was something to that

to begin with? Well, I guess we know for a fact that they aren't gonna go to the liberals, because as Aaron pointed out with his article he sent today, Democrats in the Washington Post, Democrats try a new tone, less scripted, more cursing, trumpier insult insults party leaders are swearing more Recording more direct-to-camera videos and trying to project an authenticity many voters have come to associate with Trump They will literally say the word fuck like on live TV before they give us help your dog

It's insane fucking fucking shit is fucked up. What did Beto say remember what remember beta was like this is fucked up We should have known he was ahead of the he was ahead of the curtain this is fucked up You know it dude you know they that one little sound clip they they probably Workshopped that for two weeks had focus groups about it like how how did you feel how did it make you feel when Beto said the F word? They're like, it normalized him to me. They had that one woman in there that said that really was betting big on Beto. Remember from the TV show, said,

there's a new sheriff in town, his name is Beto. Beto. You know what, you could kind of see this happening when Kamala was on Oprah and she talked about gun policy and she mentioned that she lives in California so of course she has a gun and I forgot the way that she said it. She was like, if anyone breaks into my home,

but she did it in a very like, I mean, as if someone talking on the street, right? And asked, how do you feel about this issue, defending yourself? Not like someone who is a leader of the very like, I mean, as if someone talking on the street, right? And that's how do you feel about this issue defending yourself? You know, not like someone who is, uh, who is a leader of the democratic party, you know, which is trying to like, I don't know if they actually are doing anything about gun reform actually, but like, I saw like, I guess you can see the inklings of them trying to like have this trumpiness or I guess this sort of

like authenticity, authenticity is the only word I could think of. I'm not saying that Trump is authentic, but just the way he talks to people, you know? And these sort of like, colloquialisms. Like this guy talks about water pressure, right? In the toilets and shit like that, you know? Like just shit that you'd be like, okay, I'm just shooting a shit with this guy. You can see that she was already kind of trying to do that, but again, you can't ash with turf authenticity, man.

You can't. I mean, part of it is just the fact that Trump is willing to Maybe this is the thing maybe this is the thing with him like pivoting on this Epstein stuff But it is the one thing I have seen him basically adopt the kayfabe of politics on right like in his own way like his his releases his press releases about this is like the way it's it feels so kind of constructed and scripted and it almost sounds like it's supposed to be sounding like Trump and

It ends with this very Facebook boomer line like thank you for your attention to this matter it's like a cat turd line basically that that guy always says like I just You know it's it's the one thing I've seen him adopt the artifice over and I think the thing is is like they're the the right wings focus on the Epstein stuff and The liberals dismissal of it. It's all cope really at the end of the day. It's all just cope to try to Ignore the fact that as Thomas said the piss is gone, man If you've got if the entire mo now of the Democrats is not like we're not we're not gonna get better policy

We're not gonna try to make your life better We're just going to try to make the artifice better We're just gonna try to like make you think seem more make us more authentic We're not even doing that well because I saw the in I think in Washington Post yesterday in their quest to find the left Joe Rogan they landed on the only man that makes sense and that is what's the guy's name Jamie? Harrison oh guy that ate shit in South Carolina and spent like it was the it was the Most money they ever spent at the time

I guess on like a Senate campaign and 20 points yeah Yeah Why do they love rewarding losers bit? well, it's really gets down to the fact of like when you're just a fundraising organ masquerading as a Political party, you know well, I think honestly I genuinely think on our patreon I had asked this question of like why do you think that Trump ran for president? What was that? 2000 like 25 years ago right

And it didn't take hold nobody cared it was dismissed It was a joke like we used to joke about it, right? Like, ah ha ha, Trump ran for president. But it didn't work then, but it worked in 2016. There's a lot of different reasons for that. Part of it is to do with the financial crash of 2008. A big part of it is also disillusionment with the war in Iraq and WMDs didn't materialize. Another part of it is the one- You could say culturally reality TV. Yes, that too. There's a lot of different things here.

But another major ingredient into that is the fact that liberals wanted this to happen. Donald Trump does two things for them. He basically turns up the ambient volume of neoliberalism Which liberals basically exists to mystify and push into the background they would rather you not think about that stuff But he turns it up he amps it up all of which is to say that he by turning it up He allows a political space for liberals to re-enter and say like how we're the rational ones here We're the say or the calm heads and we'll restore things to where the adult back to brunch Right where the adults in the room you give it to brunch. But another thing though Is that because they have no ideas?

Because they are unwilling to engage with the reality of neoliberalism one of which is like, you know immigration another which is is skyrocketing rinse another of which is that Israel is You know trying to enact they're bombing Syria now again, right? Like after Syria has done everything to basically placate them. They've they've Reintroduced ground troops in the Lebanon during a ceasefire all of this Trump Allows all of this to go on and he he basically allows the expansion of it over a long period of time like giving

170 billion dollars to ice what I'm saying is that he he does things that the liberals also want. Does that make sense? I think that's a big reason why he was able to take hold over the last 10 years. He does things that the liberals also would like to do, which is expand the border regime, for example. Because he'll expand it, he'll make it more militarized, he'll make it crueler, and then the liberals can come along and say like, ah, we're just inheriting a situation that's already that way. We're not gonna do anything to change it.

Exactly, exactly. And I think that the- After the injection of, after the injection of the shot of the Hitler particles, you know? Yes. They come in after that. Yeah. They hit like, after that big boost, you know what I mean?

Instead of doing it little by little, they're coming afterwards and say, well, you know, like you said, there's nothing we can do about it now, you know. All we can do is tinker around the edges or make it more palatable. Well, Carver referred to it, referred to the strategy as like almost a strategic retreat. And so like one, you got to think this is going to be good for their fundraising and all the things they really care about, you know, after Trump's, what they perceive as Trump's last term is over. But the other thing I wonder, and when I say this, I'm not comparing the Democratic Party

to Christ in the slightest, but if it's one of those situations where like God allows the Antichrist, the dragon, to be loosed for a season, you know what I mean? And then he's going to bind him up later on. Like do they, are they making some sort of calculation where it's like we're just gonna let Trump run roughshod and the more noise he makes like that's gonna bode better for us in the long term not really counting and saying that like Sometimes you can't undo certain types of damage certain types of societal damage some types of psychic damage Yeah, not that kind of thing. It's a big big gamble, and I'm not sure it's gonna pay off I Mean it's it's going to

Make all of our lives Immeasurably worse, so I guess it'll pay off for some people it just won't be Either political parties because they're kind of chasing this dynamic down the drain. Like it's obvious that neoliberalism is in a state of intense terminal crisis, right? And like the kind of premises that it rests upon, the dynamics that it rests upon are kind of becoming even more attenuated and intense. And I genuinely don't think that, let's for example,

let's just take for example the Department of Homeland Security as an example. I mean, Democrats did nothing to get rid of it after Bush's presidential term. They supported it. They supported it. They supported it. They supported it. They supported it wholesale. And so do you think that they're going to defund ICE and the Department of Homeland Security now that they're funded to the tune of $170 billion?

Their budget went from like nine billion to 170 billion? Like I highly doubt that because it plays into what they want essentially. They want to be the calm heads in the room the managerial actors of this kind of late stage neoliberalism and Like Trump allows them to do that and that's why I think They're also kind of fucked when they lose Trump. Like what what are they gonna? Their blood will be basically called. I

Trump like what what are they gonna their blood will be basically called I Mean what they're you just made me think like there's solution I guess instead of a scaling back of like, you know the police state or you know an organization like ice Right, like what they'll do instead is we're gonna have smart Deportations, you know where they're gonna use like cutting-edge technology or probably fucking AI, you know And they're gonna make it seem more compassionate, you know, and more, not even, I guess, just ethical, but more efficient as well, you know. That's all they're gonna do

just to make it more palatable, you know, instead of like busting down people's doors, which that will happen too, obviously, you know, but I just think it's the way it's marketed to people, you know, because nobody likes to see that shit. Nobody likes to see those marketed to people you know Does that he likes to see that shit? Those raids happen you know you see this in the way that Silicon Valley Vastly it's back and forth between liberal and conservative It's almost like last year Silicon Valley needed the excuse to become outright insane racist

psychopaths because that was the course that immigration Technology surveillance control command and control was going to take. Right. And so I mean it's not outside the realm of possibility that Silicon Valley will then switch back to a more liberal face for six or eight years later as this as this as the you know the wheel continues to turn, right? Like it's a kind of like slow social death and making it fast and explicit is not good for business. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Well, I don't know.

I don't know if cursing more is gonna help the Democrats. I don't even, I think it's gonna take a big therapeutic intervention for them I think they'd need to go to Vienna and be under close surveillance for months if not years the the leadership anyway, I Love this. I just I just I said I was gonna read here DNC chairman Ken Martin exemplifies the shift He's their new he's the I think he's from Wisconsin He's the DNC chair, and he's supposed to be shaking things up

Okay, before he was elected chair this year the Minnesota native or Minnesota I'm sorry the Minnesota native mostly used only the mildest swear words on X He said the government should quote give a damn about families hell Yeah, he wrote after President Joe Biden's State of the Union speech last year But as frustrated voters urged their leaders to do more to push back on Trump Martin has cranked up the curse words in recent months He posted that everything Donald Trump church touches turns to shit that new Trump 2028 hats look like shit And that the president is a petty insincere insecure man who should fuck off. He also told reporters that much should go to hell

He also told reporters that much should go to hell They think okay man, it's so crazy like the same people think like this is a winning strategy the same people that are like You know Dragon mom Donnie over the coals about saying globalize the Intifada and not in his refusal to like it's like yeah, okay the Antifada and his refusal to like, it's like, y'all, okay, like I'm going to give you some free game here, Democrats, until you turn your back on Israel, you will never be ascending again. That's what it is going to require. You have a guy here that is like the biggest shit going right now in New York. You know what I mean? And he's like saying stuff like, yeah, like you would be wise to like Try to bring somebody like that into the fold instead you're spending all your resources like you know Hung up on the semantics of all this and catering to all this like your only path to victory is turn your back on Israel

Doesn't matter how relatable you try to be you could be the most out-of-touch person in the fucking world But as long as you turn your back on Israel, it's gonna pay dividends. Yeah That's the truth man. I mean no they would rather just you know spend the money and time on focus groups You know or they invent new curse words to see how they would fare you know Yeah, new inventing new cars I like doing they were doing stuff like dangerous Donald that was at least I liked it when they were doing stuff like dangerous Donald that was at least Like at least that was genuine then being like dangerous Donald that was authentic then being like fucking shit fuck I

Mean I preferred when they were just calling them weird You know like that was that was probably like I mean you know for the party that loves a narrative You know I mean that was probably the one thing that they had done which I thought was like decently successful and then they immediately walked back on it because James Carville told them to I knew people that were mad as Hell about that. They called me up said there's no it's not a crime to be weird. Why are they saying that? Bad weird not good. I tell you what is a loser though is a literate of like derogatory nicknames Moscow Mitch dangerous Donald Loser though is a literate of like derogatory nicknames Moscow Mitch dangerous Donald Somebody cashed a check coming up with that shit too is the wild thing to me that is crazy that is that's so tight that is tight I

mean Politics is an industry at this point just like fucking making widgets just like making surveillance technology for the border just like Anything so I mean that's that's a big reason why the Democratic Party exists. It's like they they they exist to do the industry of politics and The conservatives also do do that like they are also partially that like they have their own like Cottery of think tanks and consultancies and podcasts and all that But they feel like conservatives exist to make sure you die pretty much you know right yeah, they speak to a libidinal desire of Americans, which is the death drive Dude I was thinking too man if I wanted to like you know make a make big books like just join the Cuomo campaign to be

Consultant and tell them like a zany Zoran. You know run with that and say Oh, yeah, yeah cash a $10,000 check for that yeah I mean Alyssa Slatkin says Democrats need to reclaim their alpha energy and But then they they I don't know did y'all see this there why are they doing these warmed over like Joe Rogan talking points from 2017 yeah Spathetic man I don't they Jamie Harrison is a nice This is in the New York Times sound familiar Democrats laid groundwork for a project 2029

The plan to write a policy agenda for the next Democratic president is at the center of a raging debate With within the party whether its biggest problem is its ideas or it's difficult and selling them difficulty in selling them This gets back to the yeah the policy thing or the authenticity thing But yeah, I mean I really just want to know what the platform would be I can't even remember what Kamala's platform was except gives me Well, they have nothing they don't have anything I Think it's abundant. Is it gonna be a bet aren't there some abundance. Yeah abundance. I was about to say there are some abundance Abundance apostles it'll be abundance for sure

that but I mean the the Epstein thing proves that like both parties are just it is Tom's I guess you're right Tom the piss is gone both parties in the entire political system Is it's just more of an like there is nothing left to ring out of it It's only purpose now is to target Americans and to make our lives worse So I mean from that perspective it's like you're gonna have to actually engage with the one one, you know one Thing to do to get out to break out of that dynamic yes would be to break with Israel, so I mean Yeah, that's your free game. There's your dirty. I think I think it's the only thing and like I

Mean like yeah I mean just yeah like I said about the mom Donnie And like, I mean, like, yeah, I mean, just, yeah, like I said about the Mom Donnie thing, like you have like the young star of like that apparatus right there doing the correct thing in that matter with like, you know, say globalized antifowder, not walking that back,

kind of keeping a hard lot of that. But instead of like putting energy behind that, you're spending all your time trying to drag down maybe your only asset. It just makes no sense from their perspective. I'm like yeah putting on my Robbie Mook consultant hat you know Yeah, that mean They will go out of the way that we did you see the New York Times thing about the there was like a candidate in Arizona?

That had been endorsed by a lot of the same organizations that endorsed mom Donnie and she won Against another very progressive candidate and the New York Times wrote an article that was like the mom Donnie momentum withered in the desert of You've ever post because it's almost beat for beat you could sing it to the tune of Atlantic City beat for beat you could sing it to the tune of Atlantic City. You guys bussing shit lib Bruce Springsteen man. Last Tuesday night in this Arizona desert that the Mom Donnie dream died. Well they blew up the Mom Donnie campaign out in Tucson last night. And they blew up South to I

Mean they they cannot countenance that is the the bourgeois press right like they can't even allow like a Milk-toast democratic socialists anywhere near the levers of power like it's just it is so anathema It's like fucking white blood cells immediately like swarming upon a fucking invasive you know what I mean like agent or something it's like that is bourgeois society right like socialism is so off the table like we are so committed to our own death and destruction it's like we know like no anything that's regenerative even slightly anything that's regenerative, even slightly, anything that's new and refreshing, gotta get it out.

Yeah, anything with a mild promise of like change is just like they have to like attack it like a cancer, like immediately. Yeah. I wish I could find the tweet, man, but I saw a Conor Friedersdorf or whatever. I saw a reply to somebody on Twitter where this person was asking, why are certain people so wary about Mondani's

social democratic policies? Like providing food and more affordable housing with rent freezes and whatnot and all of these things that would just make working people's lives better. And Friedersdorf says something like, I'm not opposed to making sure that people have food, shelter, all of this. I'm just critical of the socialistic solutions to them.

And I'm like, yeah, dude, like capitalism, like capitalism is suddenly gonna like wake up and do the thing that they've not been doing for 500 fucking years, right? Is to decide to fucking actually help people and invest in the community, right? Without having to get anything back for it. Without having to make a profit.

Yeah, I believe in all those things, but we have to make sure that nine guys still have all the money. Exactly. I mean, it's more abundant shit. Like somebody in the comments replied to him like, want more housing? Build more houses. And I was like, all right, man.

Well, I mean, part of it is that it's also animated by a deep loathing for working people. Like that's partially why they can't let Mamdani or Bernie or anyone even near the levers of power, even if it is like I said watered down Social democracy because it empowers Even a tiny fucking sliver of working people it basically says to them like your concern what it does is it validates? The concerns that legitimate concerns of working people that the fucking rent is too high that like you have to pay for exorbitant, extortionist healthcare insurance plans, that you have no access to make, or autonomy to making your life stable or secure.

Like what it does is like, if those candidates win, when they succeed, it validates the concerns of those people, the real material concerns, and that's what fucking eats up people like Connors Friedersdorf and people in the bourgeois media because their role is Basically to tell people like no no no the way you feel like you're your terror and insecurity About the about how terrible terrible this society is that's Come on. That's it. That's ridiculous like right no no that's ridiculous like what you want to go Only a few bet there are only a few bad actors. Maybe you know people right for example right right right yeah It's not the entire bourgeois system is Indicted and corrupt and you know making your life worse. It's a few bad actors

And and therefore you're silly to want to do that right you want an earned income income tax credit right like you want? to get if you make over $17,000 a year and live in a zip code where Francis Gary powers visited in 1963 then yeah, that's what you want Yeah, I mean dude. It's just it's just again. It's just the whole thing is just mystifying, you know Mystifying what's possible? You know like I mean you ask people like would you want like, you know free affordable childcare? Or like a bus route like I think like he's talking about one of his one of the things that he's talking about It's like I don't know like a more accessible bus route or actually I guess cheap or free rather free

I'm sorry, bus fare. And it's like, who would argue with that? Why are you arguing with that? You know? Yeah. Like isn't that what you people love about these social democratic countries and like you know, in like Norway and shit like that, dude?

You know? Don't you love, don't you love that model? Isn't that what you like, what you opine for when people talk about socialism? Like, well not democratic socialism necessarily, not like of the Soviet Union variety, but of the Nordic countries. Well, they like white socialism, but Venezuela or Cuba?

It's really like no. No. Exactly, exactly. No. I think that's probably a good place to end it. I just, I think the thing is, is that they just hate people and more importantly they hate working people and giving them any bit of

You know allowing them to express their hatred with the system and wanting to change it and even a slight You know modify it even slightly like that is just too far for the New York Times the Democratic Establishment, whatever it's just not you know they just cannot countenance that But on the other hand too I mean I know it calls now but just like to kind of round it out with like their Sort of dismissal of this of the Epstein you know. It's like on the one hand they also don't believe that rich and powerful people could necessarily do horrible things, including people

on their ideological side, you know what I mean? So it's just like, you know. Dude, I just thought about this for a second. Them thinking that if they just curse more and they'll be more authentic, it's kind of like how some socialists in 2018 thought that if you were a little more racist, or got to say retard and stuff,

that that would open you up to the working class. It's like, if you- And now look for that's the honest. Yeah. You know who uses slurs? The working class. Do you remember that? There was some post somebody said,

you know who uses slurs? The working class. The left made the first push to bring slur to meet to meet the right on the on the basis of slurs Yeah, some of the left anyways Specific morons, but yeah, you're so right you had people like who basically you know that side of no Vietnamese ever call me a nigger They'd be like no working person The things people say Worker person never caught me It's just the things people say Like the way they express it like the specific ways

folk ways Food ways or whatever it really it's not like that's not how you engage Yeah, I don't know that that kind of brings it full circle back to like what we were talking about at the beginning it's almost like They think that there's some part of the working-class brain or the average Americans brain that like when they hear curse words They're like this is authentic. This is We've got real authentic people down here Like you can map it out on this sheet that like maps like neurons and shit like that like a part of your brain lights up

Yeah, here's a body slur it out on the sheet that like maps like neurons and shit like that like the part of your brain lights up here's somebody's it's slurred. Well I mean it just kind of speaks to what the real problem is that like society has been so sanitized mostly by these like sort of consultant class people and everything who have presented the world as this tidy little box that's like you know we listen to Terry Gross every morning and we carry our tote bags and we do this and that all these you know the cultural effects of Bush will liberalism that have you know carried the day and so when somebody comes it's willing to roll their sleeves up and say some bad words they're like no that's what this that's what we need that we need a little shot of this in our like very Tony tidy world you know yeah that's why they dirtbag liberalism it's just it's just

also really funny that like you know they made a 180 from saying would they go low we go high to realizing that didn't fucking work at all and now forever people are just gonna like you know stick it to you that you're a bunch of like wussies and panties and shit like that well and now forever people are just gonna like, you know Stick it to you that you're but you're like what's theseopathic that shit like that? Well, and now they feel forced to I mean, I don't know be Authentically inauthentic. I don't know that's part of this article Aaron. One of the sub headers is we deserve to be mean and it's basically about how Like they've earned the right because Marjorie Taylor Greene is a horrible person They've now earned the right to be mean and horrible and It's like I don't disagree. These are mean and horrible people right like you should get to throw bricks at Marjorie Taylor Greene

You should get to do more than just call her bad words but like I think the thing is is it's That's not the point. I guess the point is like It's kind of gets best this kind of gets back to like the whole thing about publishing your enemies It's like is politics for you spectacle or is it a vehicle for empowering people? That's really the difference And I understand the temptation towards spectacle and as I said earlier I myself have even participated in it But at the end of the day it is about improving people's lives temptation towards spectacle and as I said earlier I myself even participated in it but at the end of the day it is about improving people's lives.

Yeah you gotta deliver. Yeah you gotta deliver. Yeah. Yeah it's not just telling somebody why you can't give them healthcare but just throw it on some cursors at the end. You know. Like we can't give you fucking healthcare. Who the fuck do you think you are?

You have to actually have like a political program and worldview that people Oh, let me fucking be clear Let me fucking be clear Oh, I'm gonna be fucking clear shit here That's what man, I'm gonna be clear shit Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna be clear as a motherfucker right now Oh, I'm gonna be clear as a motherfucker right now yeah, I'm a clear the motherfucker There's all this fucking shit around me, and I'm not being fucking clear right now

Ribs and pussy too yeah You just need a bobbing to come back and say ribs and pussy too yeah You just need a bobbing to come back and say ribs and pussy yeah Gotta have that guy that guy that guy's talking about in that memoir he had the blueprint for him for a long time He did yeah There's cathedrals everywhere with those with eyes to see that is so true for those with eyes All right, let's call it on that one I want to thank everybody for listening and if you'd like to hear more you can go to the patreon as I said earlier We recorded What is in my opinion the best article we read the best article we've ever read on the show

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