Trillbilly Worker's Party - Episode 402: The Secret Wisdom Of The Ages

Episode Date: July 24, 2025

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We recording? We're recording. I got some sobering news. I think I know what you're gonna say. The latest crime statistics are in. Oh. That brings me no joy to report this but uh-huh we've got some movement. Some movement? We've got some movement in the top 25. What are the top 25 crimes? Well it doesn't say the crimes. This list it gives an index of relative safety. Oh okay. Taking into account murders and of course maimings and general street harassment. Okay. And there's four American cities that hit the top 25. Care to take a stab at? There's one in the top ten. Is it globally?

Globally globally global crime statistics Okay for American cities for American cities Who's I'm sorry who's in the top ten ice from Kentucky? Fleming neon they've they've they've made some improvements and they've fallen out of the top 25 this year. Okay Toronto wait, that's not an American city. God damn it. Hogtown not in the top 25. Maybe not even in the top 50. It doesn't look like. Looks like Canada's keeping it between the lines these days, which is more than I can say for Brazil and Trinidad and Tobago. It's gonna be something surprising. It's gonna be like Iowa City. Nope, not gonna be surprising at all actually.

Is it Los Angeles? No number nine Memphis, Tennessee Really with a composite index of 78. What does that mean 78? What is the number to know 78 crimes per day? I think it means 78 I think it's 78 crimes per thousand population 78 crimes per thousand population per one minute per 60 seconds per population density of 18 people for square mile yeah, you know, they've got the wrong formulas, but I think probably what it is is the The reputation looms large

You know, it's crazy. They do that crazy devil music there. So it's in the top 10 was the blues I Was gonna say Memphis rap Memphis rap largely about Satanic worship. Oh, it's about that Probably tacked on a couple of points to their index. This is like the Memphis three Why do they do Satanic worship rap is it like they went across the bridge into Memphis, Arkansas? and it's like the West Memphis three and they into Memphis Arkansas and it's like the West Memphis three and they Became satanic and they yeah I think it has something to do with Robert Johnson making a deal for assaults crossroads in Clarksdale was he not far from Memphis Was he a Memphian? No, Mississippian, but everybody knows Memphis should might as well be in Mississippi

That's true. Yeah, that is true. They have they have the fact you go to Mississippi got flying to Memphis usually I like Memphis I don't tell you I love Memphis. I'm not saying that I'm not besmirching any of these towns I like a little seediness to my bill Street. I remember you could drink out on the street. I remember my two times in Memphis Back when I was a drinker back when you was you could walk on back when you're walking in Memphis I when I was walking to Memphis you could drink a beer a beer Well, all right. No Memphis is number nine in the world number nine in the world What's number one sandwich between Port Elizabeth, South Africa and Salvador, Brazil? Well number one, I can't really see but this does Peter Maritzburg, South Africa ring any bells to you?

What do you mean you can't see it? It's like, you need your readers on, or is it like you're looking through a glass darkly? Yes. Number two, no surprise here, Pretoria, South Africa, which is home to Oscar Pistorius. You know, the guy that blades for legs for legs lost his mind killed his girlfriend. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Now I'm not alive. I think he's in prison

Hmm. He has blades for legs, huh blades for legs and apparently for arms to portmores be poplin again. He coming at number three Was that a reference to the fact that he killed his wife or it like he lives in a crime-ridden cesspool Number four Caracas Venezuela, okay, which That's one Guaido that's Juan Guaido. That's Juan Guaido. There's so much crime there because of the attempts to invade by US special forces. That's what they, they count that as crime.

Yeah, I see some of these I have serious questions, but there's so many South African towns in the top 10. Have you noticed anything trending here? Wherever there's apartheid or CIA involvement, therein lies crime. Very interesting. Memphis is probably more a spiritual condition. Yeah, that's true, spiritual crimes.

Not saying enough hell and buries. Deals made for people's souls and stuff. At the crossroads. But you know. Taking the Lord's name in vain. Monkeys paw situations. Doing magic. Well, and we gonna get on down here

We got Johannesburg, South Africa Durban, South Africa. What San Pedro Sula Honduras Port Elizabeth, South Africa Memphis, Tennessee, Salvador Brazil round out the top 10 now. Here's where it gets interesting I don't know if this is a demerit or a few weeks ago you said you know I'm thinking about moving my family to Albuquerque, New Mexico. Yeah, Albuquerque's up there. Glocking at number 21, barely missed the top 20. Trust me I've already decided I'm not doing it anyways because I'm too... I think your exact words to me is I need to raise my daughter in a town with some solid infrastructure

and where people know how to act. Where they don't film TV shows, hit TV shows. That's really the biggest problem in New Mexico at this point, the film industry, the film and television industry. Obviously bringing in a different kind of L'Or. Wrong crowd. Yeah let's see what we got here. Gayakil Ecuador which prior to this was most famous for producing the Lepente brothers two world champ tennis champions. Cape Town South Africa but I

wonder if they're factoring in shark attack statistics there her Cape Town's the Great white capital of the world Uh-huh white on white crime Just the great whites eating the boars when they get in little cages What what are the other two American cities in the top 25? I'll give you two guesses. I'll give you three guesses.

I bet you could hit two out of the three. Chicago? Mm-mm. Well, I mean, because that's the one. Chicago's out of the top 25. Right-wingers always say that Chicago is like a. Award-torn shithole. Award-torn shithole. Yeah.

So I don't know. I mean, this shows you how deeply propagandized I am. Like, I don't even know even know, it doesn't surprise me that Albuquerque's up there because Albuquerque's got pretty high crime. Even despite, I know that even despite the right-winger saying that. But beyond that, I really don't know anything about America

in terms of what's crime ridden and what's not? Number 18 is the city they affectionately refer to as body more murder land. Baltimore. Oh. The wire was filmed. I was gonna say buildings Montana. Body more, yeah. Well I wonder if that, listen, I wonder if it's gonna be an art imitates life situation. Where like people gonna start actually taking people to the train station because of Yellowstone? Ah la Yellowstone, right. Did crime go up in Baltimore because of the wire?

That's like, I wasn't thinking about becoming a cocaine kingpin, but they make you look glamorous on TV. What if the wire wasn't even like that? What if Baltimore wasn't even like it's portrayed in the wire and they just made a fantasy land? Fantasy land. A fantasy land. A fantasy land.

Number 17 Detroit, Michigan. Okay. Which I love Detroit too. I love all these towns. Never been to Porto Alegre, Brazil, but I'm sure it's gorgeous. I hesitate to say I'm already regretting saying Chicago because I know that's going to piss off the Chicagoans. But also- Our number one city. We got a cater to them. That's true We do have the highest number of fans in Chicago weirdly, but but then again Maybe do cyber crimes count on this. I'm wondering what it's including that index. I'm sure that shark attacks are Or curbing the statistics as is gun violence in the states and probably is as our termites considered property

Violence, you know, I'm saying that's good. That's an interesting question So because if so the entire state of Texas is probably on the hook crime ridden Shit-hole well that and everybody shoots six shooters into the air when you're going to a Walmart there. That's true. So Albuquerque, just getting nudged out of the top 20 by Colley Columbia, place famous for having a cartel. Yeah, I'm sensing a pattern, you're right. There's Latin American bias in here, I'm finding. Well, in South African too.

Yeah, I wonder what's going on with that. Is that just legacy of a part-time? What was that article you sent me recently in the Atlantic about South Africa? The headline was like violent extremism or extreme violence without genocide like it was like this liberal attempt to portray what's going on in South Africa as extreme targeting of white people by Short of being a genocide It's almost like they were trying to say we're too quick to call things a genocide these days because we're on the Israel payroll That's true. You know what I mean? So they're like listen. It's not a genocide

They couldn't write because they couldn't give into the right-wing Talking point that it's genocide, which it's not obviously but well It's the same thing the word Holocaust probably meant something very different before the Holocaust I mean, yeah, it was probably like a hard it was a thrash metal band in 1920s And weimar Germany and they had to just go back to the drawing board. So boys this name's not gonna work for us anymore Yeah, history will remember us differently if we stick with this. I'm really struggling not to laugh at that joke. It's really Pretty fucked up Boy Oh boy. So. Firing on all cylinders today.

That's just the roundup here. I guess another crime South Africa is probably factoring in this index is that weird tongue they speak there. Seel the African. Seel the African? I can't even, I can't even approximate that one. I'm going to be honest with you brother. I'm going to be real with you.

You're better off for it. Did you see by the way Hulk Hogan died? What like ten minutes ago Hogan Hogan? No, yeah, Hulk Hogan's dead Hogan and Ozzy in the same week Wow Yep interesting Hulk Hogan has died at 71 TMZ reports. No wonder every time you saw him before this point he was crying his eyes out.

Talking about Jesus. That's the kind of behavior of a man that's circling the drain. Uh-huh. Did you see Pam Bondi canceled her CPAC appearance because she had a torn cornea? You know what that means. She's been crying a lot.

God. Well, she gonna cry in the car The torn cornea is so she's just pouring over those documents saying it we're so over. Uh-huh It's good. You think they're over. Well, I mean Did you see the video circulating yesterday? I don't know how the fuck it hadn't come out earlier, but it was Epstein in a deposition from 2010 in which Someone was asking him like presumably presumably a lawyer was asking him like Like do you do you ever have any known association with Donald Trump and

In Jeff reps, he's like yes, and he's like did you ever have yes, we participate in the blood brother ceremony Yeah, it needs like did you associate with girls under the age of 18 and he's pled the fifth Hmm when you plead the fifth it's essentially conceding that you're dead to rights on that without has anyone ever pled the fifth when Like they are completely innocent, but they just they want to reserve their right to Just I just want to Express my constitutional right here. I'm totally clear, but I Just love the Fifth Amendment. I just kind of like how there's this loophole building Yeah, and I want to use it as much as possible. That's right His lawyers like you're in your you by not incriminating yourself. You're in criminal

Says you says you To me, I just call it being an American. I Don't know if they're cooked or not, but it is pretty tight We don't have to incriminate ourselves in court that is pretty tight, you know, uh-huh even if you're guilty of sin, you just be like Who's to say really? Yeah Even if you're guilty of sin, you just be like, who's to say really? Fifth, what's the name of your pill? Yeah, I wonder if that works in heaven. When you say you're Hulk Hogan

and you're brought before the heavenly panel, the heavenly trial jury, and your crimes and sins are laid out. Yeah. I'm gonna be honest with you, God God I have no recollection of that. Uh-huh And then they just keep going down the line and then you give some sort of obscure answer to everyone else sir Listen, I know what it looks like. Mm-hmm

But I have no recollection of ever doing that. You just look God in the eye and lie. And he knows. Yeah, well of course he knows. He's seen it all. You imagine being an omnipotent being. You just get to see behind the, I'd be so chatty and gossipy. Who would you?

I'd be ringing up other celestial beings. I'd say listen to this. I've got something for you. I've cracked a cuddle in this Epstein thing. You-huh. You're not gonna like what's behind what's happening over there It probably isn't pleading the fifth. It's probably like the laws and statutes in heaven are probably like infinite So it's like I plead the nine thousand nine hundred ninety nine nine thousand nine seven four two million

Yeah, it'd be a tough thing to do. Yeah, you'd have all sorts of regulations, statutes. Yeah. Yeah. I wouldn't wanna be the person in heaven that has to memorize it. Like going to law school in heaven would be really arduous.

Yeah, cumbersome. Very cumbersome, having to memorize all those laws. You'd have to basically have a working knowledge of everything on earth to mm-hmm French code the British penal code all of them. Yeah instead of the LSAT you would take the HSAT Yeah, because we all know LSAT stands for land Sat man HSAT would be heaven Takes takes you 20 years to do this test. You basically have to

know the secret wisdom of the ages to have that job. Yeah, you'd need to know the secret. It's something we've all been looking for a long time. I'm not sure we're prepared to handle it. Well, we went really deep on the sacred wisdom of the ages on the Patreon on Sunday, Monday. We did, I felt like we just scratched the surface. As is the case when you're talking about the secret wisdom of the ages on the Patreon on Sunday, Monday.

We did. I felt like we just scratched the surface, as is the case when you're talking about the secret wisdom of the ages. Well, I've read more of the book and I learned more magic. You got a Francis update for us. Francis Yeats. The book was Giordano Bruno. Giordano Bruno and the Hermetic tradition. And the Hermetic tradition, I learned more magic like

Okay, what's real, you know if you're wondering what we're talking about you can subscribe to the page I'm gonna cost you five dollars a month to unlock it. Yeah, it's not my job to educate you Okay, so sit your white ass down. It kind of is but You have to pay for it. The secret wisdom of the ages doesn't come free, folks. Yeah. Oh, okay. Picking up on the conversation from Monday, another thing that's really wild to think about like medieval interest in the ancient magics and ancient wisdoms was that to a medieval scholar of religion a Christian

scholar like he she talks about Marsilio Ficini mm-hmm he was Italian the Italian yeah right he translated Hermes Trismegistus in Plato he was neo-platonic yeah and that, I don't care who you love, you know, and that's, keep that to yourself. Um, dude, neoplatonic pronouns, neoplatonic neopronouns would go so hard. Neoplatonic polycule. That would be good for you. So, however, however you got to find that last promote, I saw.

Yeah. To the mid evils, here's something I never considered before, okay? To the mid evils, they didn't have anything resembling our modern skepticism movement. And so- I was thinking about that, because if you're a scholar in that time, you presumably hold some like spiritual ideas side-by-side with like your scholarly work. Well right and

so to them a big question that they were trying to solve was they read stuff like Hermes Trismegistus and they read these like ancient what they think are they thought Hermes tea was contemporary with Moses when as we've established he was literally only from the first or second AD like they got that completely misdated and miscalculated Which is a hilarious? Concept when you think about it just how much of history is created from miss dating and misinterpreting things And that's just been like well in the ancient world if you're within a couple thousand years. Mm-hmm good enough. Yeah But like something that really astonished them and stuff and you know really befuddled Thomas Aquinas and St. Augustine was

How did the ancient Egyptians? Animate their statues like when you know when the Bible talks about like don't you know make a graven image, graven image exactly right like what they were kind of referencing was like ancient Egyptian religious practices where they would have these glorious shrines and statues and they were able to to basically make them animated. I mean, they would use certain plants and colors that would draw down the magic from the heavens. And this was Ficino's argument anyways.

And so to a person- This is why Islam was allowed to flourish as the one true religion. They were dead set against that, you know what I mean? So they put an end to that, so listen. Against images. We don't do images. Yeah, Christians became huge into images images got lean to into in the Renaissance became obsessed with images

yeah, they thought that this was the way to channel like the you know spiritual power of the universe down onto the material plane and so to them it was extremely And so to them it was extremely befuddling and confusing as to how an ancient culture could animate these shrines and statues. And so to them it proved basically that paganism was real, that these gods were real. And you have to also... We've just been drawing all the wrong conclusions. Well, you have to also consider this Christians in the medieval times were riding from the position of God has basically left This plane right he no longer intervenes in our lives. I'm sure right about that

Yeah, and so like how do you explain the fact that for the ancients? The pagan God showed up every day for people but God the God, no longer does that. So what does that mean? And that's why you had this revival in magic in medieval times, it's like we can bring back pagan magic, but we can make it Christian. Right, so you had the interplay of the two things, and they didn't see that as a contradiction. No, and if they had something like skepticism,

maybe they would have been able to look at the statues and be like, maybe the way they animated them was they like got Someone went inside the statue and made a scary voice like oh Oh my god, oh my god can't stop stroking machine Did you come to stroke your shit in the strong shine today Or the babies I see you down there stroking your shit in the strong shine today Our babies I see you down there stroking you shit Walking around town stroking stroke you should need people. Oh my god

I had to crazy this interaction with the God in the shrine today. Yeah, he told me to stop stroking my shit not that I was But he had it wrong By the way, he had it totally wrong. He had me mistaken with somebody else. Yeah. Who looks like me and has always stroking their shit. Yeah. Oh man, stop. Oh. Just cuz I'm in a neoplatonic polycule. Assumed I'd be stroking my shit in the tabernacle. Not true. A clue play us stop stroking your shit and the market He sees me wherever I go so anyways, so that was a big schism then that was the anime or not necessarily schism, but

They came up with some crackpot ideas about how they achieve that. Yeah, and maybe they didn't maybe the ancients didn't do maybe they didn't like Maybe they did have ways to manipulate matter and statues and stuff. Well, if you think about it. Okay, also, let's just consider this. Something that is not, you can't consider. Hold on a second. Maybe the gods were real.

Hey, you can't rule now. Maybe the pagan gods were real and we went wrong when we started worshiping the Christian and is Islamic gods, that's true What if the polytheists had it right the whole time and actually the godhead was just a rag-tag bunch flawed and all the same Ways we are Sorry more opulent taste. All right, it's already cut you off What were you gonna say? I was just gonna say this is your being ancient aliens.

Yeah. It could be. Yeah. I mean, I'm just joking because ultimately at the end of the day, all this magic stuff is extreme nerd shit. Well, you say that, okay, but there was a time when, hell, in the 70s, if you were getting any pussy as a rocker,

you had to lean into the wizard thing. You did. So you jest. But, you know, I mean, not that long ago, if you were into Middle Earth and all that sort of thing, It's true. You were getting all the pussy. I remember a few years ago, I saw some.

The problem is, a lot of guys still think that's the convention of the day. Well, that's. We've moved past it it with a few notable exceptions Not guys like guys don't do magic anymore Like there's girls a lot of girls do magic because they're the granddaughters There's guys still do it though the grandsons of the witches they the wizards They were the great sons of the wizard their grandsons of the wizards that were getting all the pussy and 70s British rock

Their grandsons of the Wizards that were getting all the pussy in 70s British rock Yeah, basically anybody that was descended from the bass player Uriah Heap and Jethro Tull. Jethro Tull. Who else was that? Ozzy and Black Sabbath. That was a Wizardy band. That's true. All their songs were about Wizards and Led Zeppelin. A lot of people didn't want to engage that, but that's true. Something we missed in the tribute to Ozzy, you know. My friend Ozzy died this week. Oh no. The Ozmen go with him.

I didn't like it when he bit off that bat's head and pissed on the Alamo. I thought it was an offense. Didn't like it when he bit off that bat's head and pissed on the Alamo. Thought it was an offense. To the Republic of Texas. Well, sad to say the Oz man had, you know, as has been widely reported, you know, he and Sharon were rapidly pro-israel toward the end. They were Zionists? Yeah, which is, that's a bad way to go out. It's a bad note to go out on, you know. It really is. Because now, now listen, you can be the Lord of Darkness,

you can sing some of the most iconic songs in heavy metal history, and now all, you know, all people, these kids are gonna remember you for is being a fucking genocide People these kids are gonna remember you for is being a fucking genocide Apologies the irony is that he is the one guy on the planet who could really claim to be too stupid to understand that What's going on in Israel? That's true Something we're not think about is for a man's artistic genius that doesn't necessarily translate to us. Uh-huh You know he could have claimed I'm just a sleep is mom. I mean, it's a little That's a little more Jimmy pageant. Well Ozzy would be like

They won the King David Hotel Yeah, the Oz man wasn't necessarily an exemplar of excellence he'd kind of What do you mean like I didn't really support the biting of the bat's head as a bat enthusiast. No, that wasn't... that was not chill. Not good. I always thought that was Alice Cooper. Peeing on the Alamo is pretty tight. That's fine. Yeah, nobody's mad about that except for Texans. Mm-hmm. Yeah, but I did like Black Sabbath's music. Yeah, I love Black Sabbath. I love Black Sabbath.

Well, how do you feel about Hogan's legacy? Um... He's the real American, fighting for the rights of every man. That is true. You know? That is true. Terry Balaya. That's his actual name?

His real name, Terry Balaya. True for Terrence? Yeah, he wants he Hogan made some we shared a namesake I Don't know if it maybe he's from Florida so he might just been a Terry His name is Terrence Balaya jr. I'm gonna lose my mind No, you're right, it's just Terry they named him Terry that's so strange huh I was gonna say something about witches and wizards but I forgot now I forgot what like what thread we were on well now the only point I was trying to make is if you adopted the nom de guerre of like Peregrine took you had to beat him

off with a stick in the 70s oh yeah yeah that's true if you took your stage name from an obscure Hobbit reference mm-hmm and brother you weren't prepared for the feast that was about to come your way. Well I remember one year. They couldn't get enough of it in England. No they loved it. Why? Because there's so many castles and you could just go into a castle. That is true in America we weren't a castle centric culture so you had to err into I don't know what was going on in America about the same time Iggy Pop and the Stooges yeah just drug-addled degeneracy that America's magic has always been more let's the trace the limit lineage was

Madeline Blavatsky she was Russian right but she also came to America didn't she mm-hmm You had the Fox sisters. And then you had- That was weird. That was weird. That was a simultaneous deep pool. God, that was bizarre. Very bizarre.

For the entire rest of the episode, we just speak the exact same words. And our eyes go fully black. That was weird. Yeah, I remember a few years ago someone so like you talk about Giordano Bruno and like the made the Renaissance interest in magic you have to talk about John Dee and Enochian magic and stuff and you know naturally naturally you remember John D? And you know naturally naturally you remember John D. He was like Queen Elizabeth's advisors. Oh He did magic a bunch

Now let me ask you a question did the court magician Enjoy the same privileges as the court jester Were they like in the same bullpen, you know what I mean depend upon You know know whatever the The queen or the king wanted that yeah, do I want to do I want to laugh at some well the magician? observational comedy about the Normans or do I You know or do I want to see you know some smoke and mirrors type thing well the magician was also a physician usually in an astrologer and performed a bunch of different things.

Wore many hats. It's like, I think we were talking about this recently, like astrology in these times was also astronomy because to do astrology you had to know the position of the planets because astrology is just like a mathematical system. That's why I don't shun that stuff out of hand. At one time it was as quantifiable as anything Well, so for example in Ficino was an example of someone who used this system, but for example if you wanted a

long life You or okay, let's say you're feeling melancholy Usually you're feeling melancholy filling melancholy. Usually you're filling melancholy because of the passage of time. Saturn was the Latin equivalent of the Greek god Cronus, who was the god of time. Cronology. Also Jesus' father. Saturnalia. What's that mean? Saturnalia was, I just see that word occasionally.

I do too. What does that mean? Let's go with the tape. Saturnalia., I just say that word occasionally. I do too, what does that mean? Let's go with the tape. Saturnalia, seems pertinent. If you want like, what you would do is you would, Ficino as a physician magician, physician magician, that's what they were really. Well if you think about, not dissimilar to the barber during the time of the Civil War.

Yeah, you would also be a saw bones, right? Yeah, saw bones, a physician of sorts, and you cut hair. That's why I guess when you got the little spinny thing up front, it's the blue for the pre... It's the blood in the arteries and the red is the blood when it comes to the surface and the white is... Okay. I don't know, egalitate or something. Oh yeah, egalitate. Fraternity. Fraternity. Saliva, something like that. Saturnalia. What you would do is you would get a talisman,

it's called like astral magic, right? You would get a talisman and you would Here, I just got it right here. I'll just read it for you. Here I just got it right here I'll just read it for you What is Saturday night? How's it celebrate Saturday? It was an ancient Roman festival honoring the gods Saturn and celebrated with feasting gift giving and temporary social role reversals Basically a Sadie Hawkins dance, but probably involving some sort of human sacrifice. I don't really know much about some sort of human sacrifice. I don't really know much about Roman religion,

to be quite honest with you. I've not really been, because the Romans themselves kind of just copy and pasted from the Greeks. Their religious, their pagan religion was kind of thin. We'll call it a little thin. Well, there in Saturnalia, which only lasted about a week, but if you were a slave, you were free for a week. Oh.

So, role reversal. Okay. Yeah. See if you're a sub, you're a dom. I'm not sure the Royals actually, or the upper crust actually became slaves for the week. That'd be interesting. So like- What if they did that and it's like, then they're like, Okay, Saturnalia's open and the slave class is like like no it's not. Let me read here for you. Let's see if you to obtain a long life you may make this image of Saturn on a sapphire in this form an old man sitting on a high throne or on a dragon with a hood or dark linen on his head

raising his hand above his head holding a sickle or a fish clothed in a dark Robe I'm gonna tell you something if you went if you were in the 70s British music scene And you performed in that garb Fishing with dynamite Uh-huh, that's what I'm talking about. This is why it's nerd shit ultimately. I'm sorry for people that really believe in this, but like really like I remember reading a few years ago someone on Twitter was like You can't you can't even read John D. Enochian magic. You would be inviting dangerous evil spirits into your home, and I was like

And I read it and nothing happened to me. My life did get immeasurably worse after that But nothing I can really pinpoint is outside my normal experience Think of it my life did get immeasurably worse after that. However For the curing of illnesses Ficino advises the use of this image a king on a throne and a yellow garment and a crow In the form of the Sun an image of mercury described by Ficino is a helmeted man sitting on a throne with eagle's feet holding A cock or fire in his left hand That's too easy I ain't taking the bait on that one Yeah, no me neither. This is a man holding a cock in his right hand.

You don't say. I can't even count what that would look like. I couldn't either. Having never seen a penis. Oh, that's what it was. Is that what you're talking about? Yeah. Yeah, that was medicine back then.

It seems like a lot. So here's the thing though, if you go to the doctor nowadays, you're in for sort of emotional as well as obviously a physical ordeal. And then you've got to talk on the phone to 12 insurance people, all of which are just trying to run out the clock on you.

Pretty much, yeah. However, in that world world you'd have to go make your petition known to some sort of God with Mm-hmm some questionable aesthetic choices and yeah Probably some wrath in his heart and he'd probably impregnated his daughter or something crazy Well some sort of degeneracy like that hundred percent But this the irony is that this is medieval Europe, which is heavily Christianized. And they're trying to basically-

Oh, we've moved past Saturn, the Romans. Well, yeah, the Ficino- I guess it's the Italian name that threw me. Yeah, Ficino was in the 1500s. Like he would have been obviously a Christian and was very kind of concerned about the perception that he was practicing demonic witchcraft. So what they were trying to do, they were trying to jam the square peg of pagan magic into the round hole of Christian, you know, worship.

And also, you have to consider at this time, you've also got the Protestant Reformation. Basically what I'm saying is So you're saying in 1500s even in Italy the specter of the Roman Paganism sort of loomed large even in the Roman Church 100% yeah Yeah, and part of it is because the Renaissance was an attempt to Revive and bring back the pagan thinkers, philosophers, artists. Is that connected, before we get too far from that, I just have a question, is that why like the Roman church, obviously the Catholic church has like the saints and all that kind

of stuff? Yeah. Is that sort of a vestigial organ of polytheism in a way? Yeah. Well, and also, again, you have to consider that it's not like when when they transition from paganism to Christianity It's not calling you Catholics polytheists just for the record. Well, but here's the thing dude. It's not like overnight They just said okay. There's only one true. God and these other gods are false No, a lot of these early Christian thinkers

Took for granted that these other gods did exist, they were just demonic and bad. Right, right. And that there was only one true good god. And so again, like you had to metabolize that over time. And also, like I said, there was no like skepticism movement. It's not like they were like trying to debunk, they weren't debunking paganism. They were just arguing that like Christianity is in monotheism was

More in line with the spiritual vision of the world how the world should be ordered and that kind of thing This is where the the the Muslims have it right and coming along. They just streamlined all that they did It's actually an Islam is it actually like the correction of all that? It is. Like in their theology, right? Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Well, this book also talks about this Arabic book of magic called the Picatrix. Picatrix?

Picatrix, maybe that's how you pronounce it? Picatrix, like pica like, like what? Pregnant women want to eat like ashes from a fireplace or something? Yeah, pregnant women and children. Huh. Yeah. It was like a book of magic that circulated

in the Middle Ages and it was authored by Arabic writers. Now that shit probably was real. Probably, yeah. Yeah, I mean you probably, if you really want the real stuff, go to that. Because the gin. You don't say that. Yeah, I'm sorry.

I'm not talking about that. Not in my house. I know. God, what are you doing? Because the gin Say that yeah, I'm sorry Yeah, I got obsessed with that for a while mm-hmm yeah, I'd ask every Muslim I saw what they thought about gin and the the the responses ranged from what can you say? But I don't get to say it. What the fuck is this double standard? This is my house I don't know what you're bringing in here. Oh, so you're saying if you do get a gin It's at least it's on you not on me. I don't know and so you can't That makes sense. Okay, that's that's fair responses ranged from grow up to sh Mmm, so we don't talk about that. They don't even mention the possibility of it. Okay, I won't do it

I won't mention the possibility of a root told me to grow up. I saw him yesterday at the doctor's office Yeah, so funny. I see him everywhere. Yeah, he said to grow up you asked him about it. Yeah, he's like come on That's really funny Ozzy funny Ozzy fucking Ozzy Oxbourne I'm gonna go see Ozzy Oxbourne. Man. What's go to hell? What's rewritten say about Ozzy? I mean, I mean what like what's his thoughts on Ozzy does has he have you talked to him? Is he like really torn up about it? I checked in with him. Shall we see what we got here? Man, this fucked up

Let's see Going off the rails of a crazy train man. I'm fucking hi. I'm fucking going off the rails of a fucking crazy Fucking going off the rails man Let's see what we got here go in the crazy train Hey Reid, I had a question for you I wonder if you had any thoughts on the passing Ozzy Osbourne Hey Reed. Hey man. I had a question for you. Oh hey Bubby. I wonder if you had any thoughts on the passing of Ozzy Osbourne.

To what? So I wonder if you heard the news Ozzy Osbourne died. Oh yeah. Do you have any thoughts on Ozzy and Black Sabbath? Ozzy man was Ozzy. I mean he was a hardcore partier. Yeah. Back when he was young. What's your favorite Black Sabbath album? Hell, I don't know. I got seven. I got Technical ecstasy, sabotage, that I probably know what to... What do you think's their best work? Sam's Bloody Saddles?

Well, apparently it's a good record, man, but... That's my pick, yeah. But you know, sabotage was a good album too, man. Yeah. Yeah, I love it. I love it. Technical ecstasy, having some killer records. I bought Sabaton.

Yeah. I got Sabaton, bloody Sabaton. I got all of my Sabaton. Yeah. Yeah. You got any? Man, I got, I got just about every solo album at Ozzy Night.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, did you see this? I got news coming across the wire, Hulk Hogan just died too. Yeah, 71 years old. Gosh. 71. Where do you think Hogan fits into the all time great wrestlers?

He's a part man with the best. Who would you call your best? Ric Flair was the best wrestler, the best at everything that he did. Ric Flair? Ric Flair. Yeah. He was the best. I mean, bar none.

I ain't seen nobody come down in the park to do what he did to his life. Yeah. Against anybody. Who else you got up there? Oh, hell, man. Most of these guys I'm talking about was, you man back in the old days man, Buzz Sawyer Dusty Rhodes, yeah, I'd say Dusty's up there. Yeah, Dusty's been past the White's several years And

And I'll just you know just I'll just, you know, just different guys, man, you know. It's hard to tell in Rashland, but in Rashland, nobody could take, on his best day, nobody could ever take Rampart, man. Yeah, I'm with you. He's a 16-time world champion. Yeah, the nature boy. Yeah, Charlie Blanchard was a damn good wrestler too. I rank him up in there in the top 10. What about Bob Backlund? Bob Backlund was a hell of a wrestler man. I mean he was a world champion yeah you know damn man there's a lot of them brother Ronnie Garvin used to be one of the tough he was one of the toughest men I ever saw

yeah I mean double tough yeah yeah well I just I didn't know if you'd seen the news I wanted to check in with you see what you thought But little as I can get by well Sure, okay, well listen man, I'll holler at you. Okay? Say man Love you brother. I love a stoke rerun is he's like the passage of time Ozzy I was born taken from us, but we're all gonna be taking some Yeah, man, oh Yeah, I could it I've had an idea for a TV show the other night

What do you got cooking here? You know the show Drake and Josh Drake and Josh. Is that a Disney show? Maybe your nickel. I think is Nickelodeon. I think it was one of those Dan Schneider Nickelodeon shows with a troubled backstory Yeah with a troubled backstory, right? Like I think Dan Schneider was like doing bad stuff on set and stuff I think he was maybe noted predator a noted predator. Yeah the premise of Drake and Josh Two teenage stepbrothers Drake Parker and Josh Nichols as they lived together despite their opposite personalities Like the odd couple, but if they were stepbrothers It gave me idea for a show, okay We're stepbrothers. It gave me idea for a show. Okay, what about Drake and Kendrick?

And it's a TV show and it's about opposite personality Oh the personalities hilarity ensues. Mm-hmm. That would bridge the gap. Everybody gets a check. We can put this whole ugly affair behind us Drake, why did you pick up those girls from school? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha is predilection for younger women. Right, right. Yeah, it probably wouldn't be great for Nickelodeon, but Dan Schneider probably could step in there. Yeah, do something with that. Do something with that, yeah. I can feel your energy from two rooms away. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha but I think you might be gay. Yeah. Those girls are 30 between them. I mean, you could do this pretty, actually this is great.

This is perfect now that I think about it. Just take an episode and just interpose Drake and Kendrick into it. Drake is addicted to junk food and Kendrick is addicted to video games. This lands him into trouble when they forget to bring Megan home on a radio Oh, Megan is their younger sister played by Megan

For which they are both grounded by Audrey No interesting. Mm-hmm. Okay Audrey close to Aubrey. It is close to Audrey can be Is that their parents Drake and Kendrick then make a bet to see who can live without their addictions. Okay, let's go back. Drake is addicted to underage girls instead of junk food. Okay, we're writing the episode. Drake is addicted to underage girls and Kendrick is addicted to poetic rhymes. No, he's got a sinister side. He looks like a nice guy. Well, but we got to lay bare the the accusations

Okay. Oh, I've always thought it was unfair that nobody engaged with Kendrick's the claims of Kendrick But everybody's like you have Drake loves underage girls. Okay, so what's Kendrick's but for the show to work? Okay, you're right for the show to work The bad guy has to have a good side and the good guy has to have a bad side So Drake is addicted to underage girls, but he's also show to work the bad guy has to have a good side and the good guy has to have a bad side so Drake is addicted to underage girls but he's also um he donates to charity and Kendrick is addicted to what's a good thing and a bad thing a good thing Kendrick is addicted to thing. Kendrick is addicted to social justice on the good side. Social justice. And on the bad side he's addicted to gambling. No that would be a Drake thing. Drake's definitely addicted to gambling. Okay you're right but

what's a bad thing that he's addicted to then? Kendrick's bad thing. He's gonna have some vice that makes him sit like alcohol. I Can't stop drinking these spirits When Drake comes in he did have he does have some songs swimming pools. He pushes me to my limits Yeah, Kendrick's a drunk But he's addicted to social justice and Drake is addicted to underage. And the Faber file. But also is very generous and. Okay.

With his time and resources. Okay. This lends them into trouble when they forget to bring Megan home on a rainy day. So that would be some conflict because I can see Kendrick being like, it's just easy for you to go to the school and get her because you like to be around them girls. And Drake's like, no, I don't. How do you do a Drake impression? What would Drake impression be like? You can see it in your eyes that I'm angry that I'm angry with you. You won't stay off that ju-gen and juice You drunk all day long till it's time to go to the

Whatever social justice meeting. Oh actually that works this works They are both grounded for forgetting to bring Megan home Drake and Kendrick then make a bet to see who can live without their addictions with the loser having to dye their hair pink and signing a contract with Megan. That makes sense because Kendrick's in a social justice so he would want to dye his hair pink so he's like, it's nothing to me, I hope I win this contest or should I say lose? Lose.

And Drake's like, I'm never losing a contest to you, Kendrick. There we go, this is a high-level concept After a few days temptation takes over when Drake gets a disfiguring facial rash from his sudden change in diet and must cure it by Picking up underage girls while Kendrick receives a brand new It says brand new games gamesphere from Grammy but what would be the social justice equivalent of that?

picks up like his addiction is a good addiction or bad addiction? His good addiction. Kendrick receives a it has to do with social justice he receives a brand new Black Lives Matter protest sign or something? He... He receives a brand new Neo pronoun? He receives a land acknowledgement. Good stuff. Really good stuff. He receives a brand new land acknowledgement from the Nez Perce tribe.'em. That's right. At this point, their parents then

make a bet over who will win, with the loser also having to dye their hair pink. So who are their parents? Is it Jay-Z and uh Beyonce? Beyonce? Is that too easy? Nah, I think it's too easy. We gotta go a little older too. Okay. Um, how about... What was the Diana Ross? Is that too old? Mariah Carey? Too young, hair too young. Paula Abdul? We're right there in the wheelhouse.

Because Paula Abdul's got her own demons. Remember when she said she got addicted to Vicodin because she was in a plane crash and people were like You there's no there's no plane crash That's a hell of a thing like you can't lie about something that's easily verifiable is not true Uh-huh, I mean so Paula Abdul is her is their mom and who's her dad? But in this schematic Paula Abdel still a Laker girl at age 63 or whatever. Okay. All right That's cool. And the father is Blake Shelton, I

Don't think that Let's say who would it be Gavin Ross Gavin, the guy from Gwen Stefani's ex. I'm curious why you want to make their biological parents an Arab woman and a white man. That's too black. But whatever, this is your adventure to take. They're step brothers. So one of them has to be Paula Abdul's, we'll make Drake Paula Abdul's son. Who's Kendrick's dad?

Kendrick's dad could be. Kurt Cobain? No. Ian McKay from Pugazi. Not really working. Let's do Ian McKay from Pugazi Okay, I'll go here with you Ian McKay from Pugazi and Paula, you know Kendrick's not any degree white

For the purposes of this show, yes. Okay. And Ian McKay is part black. That cover, we're retconning. Yet another interesting wrinkle here. We're retconning. Fugazi and Ian McKay. Okay. and Ian McKay Okay, Ian McKay bets on Drake and Paula Abdul bets on Kendrick, okay

Both Drake and Kendrick are ready to cave when Megan the stallion convinces both to try and make the other crack first Kendrick turns their bedroom into a it says here candy palace. What would that an underage girl hair? Making it hard for this really is tough when you're dealing with such delicate sensitive material as Pedophilia there's a lot of themes here that are really toeing the line of acceptability. Kendrick turns their bedroom into an underage girl harem.

Yeah, brothel to tempt Drake. While Drake, while Drake plays, it says, Kendrick, Kendrick, Kendrick, Kendrick, Kendrick, Kendrick, Kendrick, Kendrick, Kendrick, Kendrick, Kendrick, Kendrick, Kendrick, Spax, Spax, Kendricks. It says here Drake plays Kendricks gamesphere in front of him, but what would it be like Drake does Kendricks land acknowledgement in front of him? I think this one fell apart about three acts ago. Both cave at the same moment and they fight in the chocolate

milk pool over who caved first. Why is there a chocolate milk pool? That's a kind of plot twist I did not see coming. Well it makes more sense when you realize what kind of man Dan Schneider was though. That's true Dan Schneider would put a chocolate milk bowl in Drake and Kendrick's Mansion Megan the stallion then reveals that it does not matter who cared first due to a loophole in the bets Contract in that they both lose because of this Paula Abdul and Ian McKay also loses their bet forcing everyone except Megan the stallion to dye their hair pink much to her amusement And here's the thing. Here's the wrinkly even my guys like I don't have any hair Good luck

He had nothing to lose here However, when everyone leaves the house Drake stays behind to get breakfast and it is revealed that he is only wearing a pink wig. Whoa. Diabolical. I can see it in your eyes. You thought I was dyed my hair pink But really I was wearing a wig. I like the idea that you're pitching this to somebody and they're just letting you keep going with the absurdities before they tell you that. It's not gonna work? Mr. Ramsey will actually have you escorted off the property.

I was adopted by Ian McKay in the year 2009. Also the first year Barack Obama was our president it's section 80 Insert some trumpet in there That's episode 1 of season 2 of Drake and Kendrick. I will should we write episode 2? I Think maybe we should just stick that one back in the oven I like I liked I liked it at face value to you walked me through the pile Maybe we should just stick that one back in the oven for a little while. You don't like the concept? I liked it at face value too. You walked me through the pile.

I think there's some things that need to be addressed in the... Everything from the personnel to the themes. I'm going to keep it real with you. That's a page one rewrite on that one. What? Maybe my life's defining work, but whatever Sorry, you know when you're excited about something I don't like to I Don't like to stop you I like to let you cook but on that one

I'm gonna catch him in my trick. He'll die there being Man well Well, then you come up with a TV show big shot What's your idea for it? I guess I shouldn't cast aspersions if I have myself not written a odd couple style Brady Bunch sitcom with some themes that may be deemed inappropriate for the network and or decent society.

Man, I drink a lot of these diet cherry cokes, I realize. Look at this Do you like them? That would be if I was Kendrick in this that'd be my problem. Mm-hmm can't give up diet soda Mm-hmm damn What else you got over on the docket That's about it really. I mean what else is going on Kendrick? Oh, there was that Steve Beshear From two summers ago, what else our governor's in Vogue fashion spread Man what if you had a vision from God, but you didn't know that's what it was

Like you went the rest of your life being like That's what that was but you didn't know it was like You were none the wiser or like it occurred to you later that God was trying to speak to you Sort of like 30 years have passed and now the moment's gone. Yeah sort of like how You'll be like flirting like you'll be talking to someone and then it'll occur to you like months or maybe even years later like, oh that person was hitting on me.

That person was flirting with me. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. It's like that, like oh God was, it was a vision and it could have changed my entire life but. Yeah. Now I'm an accountant for Enron and my entire life's about to go down. Yeah, I'm thinking about killing myself tomorrow

Could have been so much different Mm-hmm Yeah, I think but sure I think Andy Becher has gotten a vision from God saying he needs to run You think he's hey, does he think he believes that? I mean dude, that article proposed something that you sent me, it was in Vogue, right? It was the Andy Beshear article in Vogue, proposed something so unholy, which was a Andy Beshear, Cory Booker presidential ticket in 2028. Okay, here's what I here's what I have to wonder about about this outfit at this point, okay? They put Jamie Harrison in charge.

What's funny about that is not only have they entrusted their future prospects to Jamie Harrison, man that famously ran the worst campaign in history, is the most expensive one that saw him lose about 20-something points. And he spells his name like Jaime. Jaime. Jaime. Areson. Mm-hmm. And now not only have they answered the question of who's the left's Joe Rogan the left, I say with heavy air quotes.

Joe Rogan. Well, it's Jamie Harrison obviously. Obviously, yeah. And then- That was my first time. A guy I didn't even know had a podcast. And then they're like, well, who are we going to trust to steer the ship? Well, Jamie Harrison obviously. Right, right, and then those my first a guy. I didn't even know had a podcast And then they're like, well, who are we gonna trust to steer the ship? Well, Jamie Harrison, right? So I didn't know that once you were deemed the left Joe Rogan that you also got the keys to the the kingdom, too Uh-huh, you know, I mean that was what it was at stake when they were tossing around all these names, you know, right?

Right, right Could have been anybody chose Jamie Harrison, one stop shop. It is funny that- A man that never won anything. It is very funny that like they look, their search for a Joe Rogan on the left is extremely funny because, and we've made this point before,

but like genuinely the reason why Joe Rogan's popular is because he's a very vulgar like let's just say that like let's use the analogy of a doctor a doctor who like another vulgar profession another vulgar profession and a doctor looks at symptoms you come into the doctor's office with symptoms and they look at the symptoms and then they try to get at the root cause I mean if you go in Jamie Harrison's office they look at the symptoms and then they say well no it must be something else well yeah that well but what they say is that the

symptoms aren't even real right like it's like Joe Rogan addresses the symptoms it's just that the cause for the symptoms are extremely vulgar and you know everything from like Jewish space lasers to New world order to you know, what just all this fucking? you know residue detritus from the 90s basically yeah, but but Jamie Harrison in the libs they don't even tell you that there are symptoms like basically they just exist to tell you everything now they think everybody's unhappy for just Who knows why maybe it's just something in the air. Maybe they need to take the waters

Well, did you see going back to our Francis Yates? Discussion see if I can find this real quick. Did you see that chart that was going around that poll? Polling paranormal they're asking about the hermetic tradition. They're asking Americans about the hermetic tradition now Okay, paranormal beliefs in America Americans belief This is by Gallup Gallup polling Americans belief in paranormal phenomena for each of the following items I'm gonna read you Please tell me whether it is something you believe in something you're not sure about or something you don't believe in can let me take this poll Just in spirit and in truth,

just lay it on me like I was a man on the street. Okay, do you believe in psychic or spiritual healing or the power of the human mind to heal the body? I do believe there is something to things being causative. I'm hedging a little bit, I do believe there is something to things being causative. I'm hedging a little bit, but I do think there is something to do with the fact that if I believe I am well, then maybe there's some mechanism that the body responds.

So I would rate that as mostly true. You do believe in it, okay. I do believe in it. Ghosts or spirits of dead people can come back in certain places in situation Yes, but with qualifiers such as I mean, that's not part of the poll question But personally I say we got the every one of these is nuanced. You know what I mean? I would say no, I don't believe in ghosts mm-hmm, but

Yeah, I don't know I don't know I believe in the ghosts of Joe Diffie that's true I do too there. You know there's weird things though. You know Diffing that's true. I do too there. You know there's weird things though. You know Really both having a weird deep pool of you wouldn't let me say gin in your house So you clearly believe in it somewhat well? I have them I have a Alex press like approach to this uh-huh I don't want to be derisive, but I also don't want to be You know cuz who's to say oh true. Okay. I'm doing this my Bobby all tough Impersonation you know you leave your husband to say. Oh, true, okay. I'm doing this in my Bobby Althoff impersonation. You know.

You're gonna leave your husband for me? Yeah, I'm gonna leave my husband for you. After one interview. Telepathy or communication between minds without using the traditional five senses? Now listen, Einstein even believed in that, so. So you believe in it. Yes.

That people can hear from or communicate mentally with someone who has died you you know I'm a cook I'm like I can't believe in all these clairvoyance or the power of the mind to know the past and predict the future? Less so. Well, okay, but how do you account for premonition? Premonition like... Okay, so here's what I want to say about some of these. I believe in the capacity of it, but I'm not sure there's a spiritual component. Okay. I believe there might be just sort of a gambler's choice like you just get lucky. No I kind of believe in the metaphysical but like I believe that there might be like some sort of like you know how like a like you know they

talk about pregnant women can lift cars off of their babies. You know what I mean? Yes. There might be some sort of physical sort of corporeal component to these things that seem metaphysical that actually is just like come standard we just have to be able to unlock it man okay astrology or that the position of stars and planets can affect people's lives I'm gonna say mostly true mostly true mostly true Reincarnation that is the rebirth of the soul in a new body after death No, don't be ridiculous witches

I Mean objectively there are witches but whether they're powers Okay, that's an interesting little loophole you got there it would be like if I asked you do you believe in the Catholic Church you'd say objectively it does exist whether it whether whether there's anything godly behind it or not It's another question 48% of Americans believe in physical psychic or spiritual healing or the power of the human mind to heal the body as opposed to 32% Who don't believe? 39% of Americans believe in ghosts or spirits of dead people 29% believe in telepathy as opposed to 48% who don't.

27% believe that they can hear or communicate mentally with someone who has died, as opposed to 49% who don't. 26% believe in clairvoyance, as opposed to 50% who don't. That's so the jury split on that question. Truly. 25% believe in astrology, which really shocks me. I would think it would be way more That's gotta be underreported. Yeah, that's everywhere. Yeah 24% believe in reincarnation and 24% believe in witches

Okay, they didn't ask wizards. I see your fucking double standard. That is pretty disgusting frankly didn't ask about wizards I'm not trying to rock. I guess they're not trying to rock and roll. I think that it's an intellectually and spiritually exhausted period. So it doesn't really like, you know, to me it makes a lot of sense that people would, honestly those numbers aren't that crazy

when you think about it. I know what you're thinking you're looking at me like that your hands are cool no look I honestly I posted that online as if it was like an example of like peasant mindset in America but like the numbers really aren't that crazy like an overwhelming majority of people don't believe in like I'll tell you this I think for the purposes of governance and everyday life I think we need to leave the spiritual matters out of it out of what I advocate for a separation of church and state and witchcraft

State and witchcraft we've got too much of that in there way And while I personally in the confines of my home believe in a number of unexplained Phenomena now when I take it out to the streets after be sober minded about it, right? Because I don't think that like I think behind this closed door It's fine for me to believe in potentially imaginary realms. Yeah out there have to check that at the door You know what I'm saying? Oh, I know exactly what you're saying We have to deal in the material reality out here now at home Yeah, oh, yeah, right. We can engage in all the cheeky Halloween fun. We want to. That's so true

You know, that's where that's where the problem lies. The personal isn't political or is or But I mean like I know it's a trite point But like everybody has a personal position and a private or public position and like yeah And I'm not saying like I position and a private, or public position and like. Yeah. And I'm not saying like, I'm out here saying, you know, I mean, I think there's some clear moral things that are like, you know, should be the same at both places. All I'm saying is that I don't think I'm gonna go

into the halls of power and demand that we use, although there is some precedents for this. Like I know Reagan had White House seances. Yeah. Jimmy Carter even dabbled a little bit, which is kind of surprising because he's a Sunday school teacher from Plains, Georgia. Marcelio Ficino thought that like there was a story in the Hermes Trismegistus writings about how the perfect society was one where a how the perfect society was one where a... Access to easy credit. And access to the valkyr shock.

Yeah. Was one run by a witch king, basically. A wizard king who was a religious philosopher, physician, basically. So basically Mark Boland of T-Rex. Mark Boland of T-Rex, yes. That's why they took him from us so soon. They just took him back to the past past right? It's too powerful. Yeah, what's it?

I feel like the the message of that movie Eddington was kind of like Social media and cell phones have not only driven everyone insane But they've broken down that barrier between a personal and a public position That's what kind of what I'm getting at too with like the like I don't necessarily think there's like as much of a spiritual component to some of these things as we as we think you know what I mean? Right, right. Like premonition those sorts of things like it sounds like... Well would it even matter? Right, like because

because your religious and spiritual practice really shouldn't have very much consequence or impact on civic affairs. Civic affairs, right. Because we acknowledged once upon a time that civic life was separate from spiritual life. Now we are moving back into a time where it's not. Here's what I want to say though, though, is okay you take, I just answered in the affirmative that I believe in a lot of things that are, you know, of questionable veracity. But really, like, like moving to the era of AI

and all these things that are like drivers of our economy now. There's three feet of difference between fuckin' fortune telling and that chat GPT, you know what I mean? Yeah, 100%, yeah. But those things have gained mainstream purchase and they're trying to make us accept this reality, although I think that I'm taking the Lilly Lynch approach to this. If I hear you echoing even the thought of putting something in chat GPT or Grok,

I think I'm gonna cut you out of my, not only my life, but blocked, reported. Right. Yeah, if you ask Grok to explain anything to you, I think that you should be put on a list. I agree. That's where I'm at with that. I agree 100%. Yeah.

But even if you do, like that shouldn't be the operating modality of society. Correct. Which is quickly becoming. Which is quickly becoming. Which is quickly becoming, and why? And like who signed up for that? That's true. Six dickheads that have off-putting personalities and one looks like he's melting in real time?

It is weird how our technological advancements have, and we've talked about this over and over before, but now connecting it to like how civic governance has actually played out like we are By going through the secular positivist rational scientific mode We have now developed a system and state of affairs and technological paradigm that mirrors a spiritual almost I Guess you could say, kind of like magical, paranormal reality,

and that's becoming the mode by which we govern. Right. And so that's kind of why everyone is insane in a way, like these devices are kind of talismans. They're talismans. Well, it's kind of a callback to what you were saying earlier, you know, in the ancient world or sometimes the not so ancient world, you know, sort of the material world and what they knew to be true as a matter of like history and just fact or as we've discussed within a couple thousand years of that, set neatly beside more arcane spiritual woo-woo stuff. You know what I mean? And now we are going back to that except that this,

we're just swapping out one of those things for tech. Yeah. Well, it's interesting that, I've been very interested in seeing a lot of the takes on Eddington in the past few days, because it's like my take on, my experience with it was basically that not only is social media and cell phones driving everybody completely fucking insane,

but it's also obliterating community in the sense that there's no longer, and this isn't necessarily a good or bad thing, because in some ways community can be a white nationalist project, right? Like community is not a value, community is kind of a value neutral concept. It's not good or bad.

But regardless, it had a social role and function in American civic life. And basically like we're, we've basically obliterated it by- I would argue community is good. Well I mean- As a social creator. I say what you're saying. Well you see what I'm saying, right? Like it's good because humans need it, but it's not good in the sense that like it it can be used for anything Because like westward expansion was like watch of show

Community yeah driven proud well right like watch deadwood right like it's like that's a kid you can get a bad community, too Yeah, or you can get a good community doing a bad thing. That's true or a bad community Yeah, what but what I'm saying is that the project of American like the kind of like Daily lived experience of American life if you live in a small town was one in which a community was this bounded thing and Everybody had their roles and You know, you could say that in many ways the profit motive is

What started to erode all that but like once you've injected this kind of? You know talismans talismans this kind of things where people not only look into it for answers About the their spiritual lives and the world around it, but to see themselves in a different way. You know what's funny? It's magic, basically. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not surprising that people would have magical,

like more paranormal magical views when they have this device that allows them to engage in a type of magic and paranormality. Yeah, this is just a 21st century divining rod. Exactly, right. Really, really. And the average human brain is not equipped to deal with that.

To deal with that, although we've always had that gear because I think we've tried to make sense of our existence. And now, that's what AI is doing for us, helping us make sense of our, the problem is though, is they're focusing on the result and not the journey. It's always about the journey. It is, yeah.

So we're atrophying our brains, we're forfeiting that social part of our personalities in order to become withdrawn and strange. Uh-huh, yeah. So we're effectively becoming not human because those things are part and parcel of being human. Yeah. Don't ask, yeah. Well, it's a perfect storm, Effectively becoming not human because those things are part and parcel of being human by yeah Well, it's yeah, it's a cut. It's a perfect storm. It's perfect combination of several things too. It's just

There are people that we probably hate and have disdain for that without these talismans We would not have harbored those feelings about that person. No, absolutely not. You know, yeah, which is concerning It's socially destructive. And you could say that all of the things that it brings out are normal, natural human thoughts and desires and behaviors, which is true. But you can also say that about anything, like addiction. But it's about the access to it. People have never had more access to drugs

than they do right now in human history So they have more avenues towards addiction and they also have more avenues towards the mental illnesses that come with these devices You know what I'm saying? It's not like these are it's not like the devices are introducing new Pathologies and stuff into society even though they are in my opinion. It may be introducing some new ones They're just what do you see in coming down the pack in terms of new? stuff into society, even though they are, in my opinion, maybe introducing some new ones. They're just... What do you see in coming down the pack in terms of new? Well, I don't know.

Like, I don't know. I mean, I guess you could say that it's obviously aggravated anxiety, neuroticism, various phobias, various antisocial cluster B personalities, that kind of stuff. Like it's obviously amplified all of that. That is true. That is true. You know, it's like, you know, you see some of these cluster B personality types and like 10 years ago it was suspected that like less than 1% of the population was afflicted with that.

Yeah. Now you have this thing which all social media is, it's like, well not all that it is, but part of the function of it is is to give somebody an approximation of what it is to be famous or whatever. Everybody can cultivate their brand and their avatar and the person, whatever it is.

And it's like, oh, so now we all have like grandiosity sort of built in as just a communal experience. Mania, really. Which is bad for a community famously. Yeah, yeah, that's kind of the thing. That's what I'm saying. It's like the tendency towards mania and grandiosity is really concerning.

And I mean, I thought Eddington was good because it basically showed how COVID was a perfect storm of like, how do you have a public health crisis in a society that has thoroughly obliterated any last remnant of a public? On top of giving people all the material and ammunition they need to, and resources they need to create their own sort of like paranormal magical worldviews by way of these technological devices. It's a perfect storm, I guess. I just keep coming back to that. It's like, what are the odds, you

know? That in America, it would all end this way. Yeah and also it's so I Mean at least to us it was so autobiographical of a film that it's like oh And I would surmise that Ari Aster has never even heard of widespread Kentucky. No, I'm not definitely not but it's funny that like We could just trace our experience right over top of this film basically. Yeah, you know I would imagine you tweaks a lot of small towns can yeah we could just trace our experience right over top of this film basically. Yeah. You know, just a few tweaks. I would imagine a lot of small towns can. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't think that's exclusive to us, although I think it might be exclusive that our sheriff Merck tarred.

That's true. You know, another leader in the community. That's true. Yeah. Well, I'm sorry to bring you back to that, but it's just been on my mind since I've been reading this Francis Yates thing and especially since I've been thinking about like the the era of the transition from paganism to Christianity as like a philosophically just Exhausted time and I think we're very much in one right now. We are it's just

Exhausted on it like it's the piss is gone. You know what I'm saying? Like it's just there's not a whole lot of we've proven that like where capitalism and the technological developments that come with it are incapable of answering some of our burning questions about life and the universe. Maybe we'd want them to, maybe we wouldn't, but regardless, like it's just a kind of, at this point it's just a free for all.

Like it's, and then obviously on top of that. You've just got the everyday Immiseration of economic and material life like it's no wonder we're all fucking completely insane. Yeah, yeah, man. It's it is I Keep saying I keep thinking something's gonna give but nothing's gonna give I think that that movie showed that life is just a At this point in American showed that life is just a, at this point in American life, it is just a eternally recurring insanity loop. There's no end to this. We may, we've also not counted as germane

to this conversation that we may be in a kind of hell. It is hell. A psychic hell. It is hell, yeah. A hell where simultaneously everything happens and because of that nothing happens. There was really, if you think about that movie, there was really no beginning and no end.

There was a structural beginning in the sense that like, there was that project, that data center or whatever that's planned and by the end of the movie it's built. But none of the characters come to any great realizations about themselves. They do change physically or mentally But it's all guided in prodded along by technological by basically like algorithms and stuff like they they Reach no higher transcendence of their lives

They're just pushed and batted along by forces basically and that's what it that's what it feels like to be in a kind of Drain spiral right like you do have no way of swimming Out of it. No way you're just being sucked under yeah like like you know like when the ship goes down, and you can't Escape like the vortex yeah like there was really no end to that movie something I thought was interesting to his Pedro Pascal's character represents like this like sort of liberal technocrat that like Can't even see that his town's dead. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like even the sheriff rightly points that out. It's like well you can't be doing that good of a job you don't have a

fucking town. Right. Look at this and they're out on the street and main streets dead and nobody's out whatever. It feels yeah. And he points out that the sheriff can't even run his own agency. Yeah. Because everybody's jumping ship and moving to other places for better opportunities, which I thought was like, well, wouldn't that fall back on you too? This is kind of the sensation I felt, I don't know if you agree or not, I think you liked it. I didn't hate it, but this is kind of how I felt watching that new Top Gun movie. It felt gnostic.

It felt like everybody is just a kind of representation on this very degraded almost sort of false or ghost Mirror world where nothing is really real Everything's kind of immaterial and we're all just sort of spirits batted along to loading Yeah to where we think we should go and that kind of felt like like you've talked about the top You said Top Gun Top Gun. Yeah, I kind of felt like that was an interesting mirror of not only our lives but the way Empire is run at this point. I'll tell you something about that that's kind of related this conversation to in watching Top Gun which I liked it but there was this experience of of like oh we're going back to the movies.

That was like the back to the movies kind of kick off like post COVID, like, you know, the movies, I mean, obviously things were open and stuff like that, but that was the like, no, get back, we gotta save them. Like there's this imperative to save the movies. If you looked at Kevin Bacon's Instagram account, like it's just like a lot of it is him and his wife going to movies and

then they close every video by saying like you need the movies and the movies need you. Yeah. Which in terms of American soft power is kind of true you know. It is the American I mean that and rock and roll right? Yeah. The American mediums. Right and so I don't know it's what I felt watching that movie is like, oh, this does feel like a return to form, but it feels like a return to form in the sense that like my nostalgia for a time when I would go have a good time with the movies is what's driving this. It's like a ghost is driving this experience for me. It's not even, you're right. It's not even like. It's a reasonable facsimile of what it was

to go to the movies before our world kind of got turned upside down. It's not, you're right, it's not... That was part of the experience. That was part of the experience baked into it, right. It was like, you were cognizant of that and it's like they were trying to kind of protect themselves from accusations of nostalgia and all that. But like if the Trump era had never had happened and COVID had never happened, lockdowns, all that kind of, all the shit we've experienced had not given an ever-banned society an adjustment disorder,

I'd have probably watched that movie kinda like I watched the Baywatch or any of the IP movies. Right. It'd have just been like, well, that's exactly right. Some more of a slop for the, or whatever. But instead it had this personalized experience

built into it where you're supposed to personally inhabit the movie itself, for the whatever. But instead it had this personalized experience built into it where you're supposed to personally inhabit the movie itself, which created a very weird dissonance and in my opinion ghostly experience. That's how I described it at the time. It felt like, it not only felt like harkening back to the past, it felt like trying to recapture it in a personalized way and then trying to live it in

The skin suits of the people who once did it's weird. Well, you even have that down to Tom Cruise who's nearly 60 years old and like still an action star, you know And this is what I'm saying. It's like it's this phenomenon that nothing ever ends but like we know it does and I think that it's it's kind of I don't know man like have you seen this new I was gonna bring this up to you today this new song that's become I don't even know if it's a hit I don't know if people are actually listening to it or if it's just one of these astroturfed things but that Jess Murphy or Jess Murph 1965 she's singing like Amy Watt house kind of oh she's kind of got the Jackie Onassis haircut performing on

Jimmy Fallon this is a strange thing man I want you to want me like it's night, love me like it's 1965. What does that even mean? But we've always had nostalgia songs. It's a trad thing. Right, but there's but there is like this thing that our this current period is defined by our relationship to another time. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. The I mean you caught the nostalgia trap you can cut whatever you want, but it's like, it's what you're saying. It is we live in a spiritually and materially sort of exhausted time. There's no more ideas and so what we do in that time is we harken to the past and we

try to reinvent it for now. But like this entire period. This is what this is. Post 9-11 really, the whole period is even just like. This is so weird. Listen to the lyrics of this song. My hair is high, coke is cheap, it's a great time to be alive.

Studies are now saying that cigarettes are recommended and women belong in the kitchen. We'd go to church on a Sunday, wake up on a Monday. You'd go to work and I'd stay home and sing and do fun things. I might get a little slip slap, but you wouldn't hit me on Snapchat. Don't fucking text me at two a.m. saying,

where you at at? Boy, fuck you. You'd hand write me letters when you went away. You'd make me feel better. You'd know what to say. And maybe you'd still be a ho, but if you cheated, hell, I wouldn't know. I want you to love me hair up high,

hair up high, hair up high like it's 1965. I want you to want me hair up high hair up high hair up high like it's 1965 I want you to want me hair up high hair up high hair up high I think I'd give up a few rights if you would just love me like it's 1965 I think I would give up a few rights if you'd love second verse you'd show up at the door with flowers and ask me What am I doing an hour and a half past three we'd go to diners and movies and such we just hold hands I'd love every touch and I would be 20 it'd be it'd be acceptable for you to be 40 and that is fucked up I know but at least you wouldn't drive off before I get in the fucking door you fucking fuck fuck you I Want you to want me like it's 1965. I think I'd give up a few rights. I Tell you something

you might have just Des described to me one of the more deranged documents in Modern Letters. Listen to the outro. I guess Bud Light didn't exist fuck and I guess maybe movies didn't exist. I guess movies didn't exist. Maybe they did. I'm not sure about that timeline but that's what it says here. But I'm sure about you are mine and I am yours and I'd have nine daughters and dirty dancing wasn't a thing yet. I love that movie fuck, but oh, whoa we'd read a lot of books Allah This Tom it's just I'm scared okay. Here's where I get scared. It's like you You know you can

There's a difference between reading books that came out at different times. That's fine, I don't think that's nostalgia. I think you get into nostalgia when like, you idealize a time and try to replicate it in the modern. You know what I mean? I think it's fine to read a book from 1564, 1812 or whatever. Yeah.

That's not nostalgia. Like, like did they know you, you can just read books. It doesn't mean that like you're harkening to a bygone time by, they still make books. That's, they still make movies. You can, you can just go to the movies. I'd give up a few rights if you love me like it's 1960. They still have diners. Like you can just go to the movies I'd give up a few rights if you'd love me like it's 1960s. They still have diners like you can just go eat at a diner That's very different from I only eat at diners and I only watch movies from the 50s and I only read books from

You know what I mean, dude? That's that is genuinely disturbing. It's what it is is it's not just like they're trying to Recapture the past it's again. It's it's almost like they're trying to inhabit The past they are they're talking that's kind of what the trap she's like. She's dressed like yeah No, well my friends down there, right? and that Creates this very temporally disjointed

experience. I don't know man. I don't know quite how to articulate myself but it's just... When society's out of ideas and like eight guys have all the money it's like a combustible, it's combustible elements. You know what I mean? It's weird that it this song posits the progressive conceptualization of Progress as something where you're expanding out the civic body and giving more rights to people. It's basically saying, it's kind of a fetish song, I guess, right?

It's like, I want you to degrade me like it's 1965. Like, I want you to, like, I'm your property, that kind of thing. Which, it's a kind of example of how right-wingers today have adopted the same personal as political thing as the 60s, they like they've I Don't know maybe I'm going too far with this But it seems to me like if you want to do that and you want to do it in the privacy of your own home

Fine, but like that's not politics. That's not all okay Yeah, like women should have the same rights as men right like we settled that a long time ago Women should have the same rights as men right like we settled that a long time ago This song it's like it's like yeah It's like my grandmother shouldn't should have dignity in retirement But not at the expense of you wanting to like cosplay like a 1950s. Yeah Couple and you think society should be that way. Yeah. Well, it's weird. It seems like the Inevitable project because neoliberalism is an endgame of capitalism it necessarily shows that nothing can come afterwards there is no that's why it's like hell it's like

there can never be any end to it because it can always try to squeeze more blood from a stone but also it can never end because it is self-regenerating. It creates a kind of right-wing populism within it that like bolsters it. Do you think this kind of art is going to, you said it's like the right century. Do you think it's like, like this is the kind of shit we can expect going forward? Yeah. Like the kind of art that's going to be made is going to be like Neil Young's weird homophobic period.

I think so. I think that's like, I think so because it's, they've basically decided that they're not, the game now, when you give 170 billion dollars to ICE, the game is now, it's no longer, this is why I've said that the phase that began with the Civil War has now come to a close. The game now is no longer expanding out rights towards other groups. It is now trying to whittle that category down as narrowly as possible. Like, you know, the Homeland Security account retweeting the famous painting of, you know, lady progress going over the West. Did you see that?

It's a, I mean a it's a famous painting I saw the White House tweet that some sort of thing with 24 karat magic in there by Bruno Mars with like gold confetti going down over the White House that was bad enough that is really bad is the John Gast painting American Progress just like a completely genocidal oh my god painting but like that's their conception right and and that to them is progress and I think it's probably why it's the right century at least in the West anyways because that's a way forward the liberals are the only ones that don't really want to move forward because they've they have already allowed several groups that they're not fine with,

with saving and with allowing to have human dignity. One of which is the Palestinians. Another is like immigrants specifically from like South America and Central America and the Middle East. And whereas the conservatives are fine with just killing everyone, that's progress to them. That's a form of progress because it's different. It's basically a, it is a move forward from the 1960s. Something is happening. Something's happening.

Whereas the liberals have not moved forward from the 1960s. Which is kind of the stasis people wanted out of it. I think that's why people are like, you know, we talked a couple weeks ago about that CNN poll about Half of Americans basically down the middle support I see for yeah, you know what I mean? Yeah I think what you've had happen is people are so desperate for something to happen instead of the spin in the wheels thing that they've Just conceded that like well, I don't necessarily care for it. But like something's got to happen

So I guess deport them, you know what I mean? Instead of thinking about people's dignity or thinking about how that might actually harm you at one point at some point further on down the road which it will. It sure will. Because that's the point I mean I think that I don't know I just... People think as long as something's happening then like That's better than like being in this sort of stasis. Yeah, but like Nothing's happening. No everything and nothing. Yeah, you know, that's why it's it's returning. It's recurring It's just a recurring loop of insanity and hell. It's hell. Yeah, there's no end It's just like we've seen hell. If you've

wondered growing up like what would it be like to be in hell for eternity? That's what life in American 21st century is. You're getting a preview of it if you think that. It never ends. If you're thinking maybe I am gonna spend eternity in a devil's hell you're getting plenty of reps in for that experience right now It's a it's a concentric layers and levels of hell Yeah man I'm not even saying that pessimistically. I'm just saying a realistically. That's just that's what it is

It's what happened in in the ancient time to break out of that though Do we have anything, like I presume, like at a certain point it was probably the Industrial Revolution and that kind of thing sort of basically created a new world. But AI doesn't seem like it's gonna do that. In fact, it seems like it's just going to render us all fucking dim.

I mean, it depends on, yeah, it depends on how you periodize it, because like the standard Marxist explanation is that it's Stagist like the ancient slave societies gave way to the feudal societies Which was a form of slavery but was also You know, it also entailed a reconceptual Reconceptualization of the human relationship to the state in the community. So you're no longer just the property. I think that this had

to do with like tax farming, with how they did tax, you know, collecting in the late Roman Empire. It created a situation where like feudal arrangements were much more amenable to monarchical governments because people aren't mobile anymore. They're literally a part of the land. They're implements on the land itself. So I mean, there's not much hope there, is what, if that's your question. I mean it got it futile the feudal world was fucking Absolutely abysmal very bad. What was the last good year? Probably 1965 No, I'm just kidding not had a good year in our lives

We've not really had a good year because there's not really any I mean economically 1965 but like socially absolutely fucking not I mean famous Medgar Egger Evers was probably shot in like 63 or six, I mean, you know, I mean the Civil Rights Act as she's saying like women were basically still property of their Husbands like the attempt to break out of that the attempt to build a civic and were basically still property of their husbands. The attempt to break out of that, the attempt to build a civic or social citizenship for not only white women,

but also black Americans, men and women, et cetera, that's kind of what triggered the neoliberal backlash in a way. People being like, no like we're not gonna like segregation or integration is just too much Like you know that kind of triggered in many ways the neoliberal turn, which is really weird to think about like yeah Anyways, we could keep going on and on but yeah, I don't know when the last good year was 2000 Sound off in the comments. It's like 2000 Bad year, it's the y2k scare. Mmm. I guess I was 99 leading up to that right

It is really wild when you watch the pranos how? Perfectly 9-eleven fits into the themes of sopranos. Yeah That's weird man. Yeah, like you want to talk about like it's like he knew something like David Chase knew man Yeah, it's just I think what it's what I'm saying is there there was a pervasive fear at that time Like everyone knew the good times couldn't last forever and that everything ends eventually. Yeah, and And then it did and then then of course. The worst happened that could have happened. Man it is exciting. Just thinking about that. We were born into the Reagan era. 9-11 happened not long after that honestly.

Think about that. Yeah. And then it's just our lives have been marked by one disaster after another. Economic crashes. Yeah. Episode two of Drake and Kendrick. Drake wants to go back to the gold standard, go back to the gold standard. And Kendrick thinks that would be better off passing legislation that gives black investors in crypto more advantages. Let me tell you about fiat currency. I was thinking about that as like Drake is an artist.

Drake is kind of a, it's funny because he's the biggest artist of all time, like one of, maybe the, in terms of streaming and sales and all this kind of stuff. But at the same time, he's a little bit, at least in terms of streaming and sales and all this kind of stuff. But at the same time, he's a little bit, at least in terms of the modern, he's a little bit of a Luddite. You know what I mean? He's not like... He's got fake abs. That is true. I guess he can only be so much of a Luddite.

What do you mean? He doesn't have a self-esteem? He just seems like a bit from a different era now. He feels like a throwback, I guess, because he's been, like if you were in college in the late, or the early 2010s, like he was probably your goat. Yeah.

And then the generation before that, or the generation after that, he was their goat. And then the generation after that, he's their goat. And then the generation after that, he's been just sort of on top so long that it's kinda old, you know what I mean? So he feels like the grand old man in this sort of youth dominated thing. The funny thing is, is Kendrick's about the same age,

but he feels more au courant, I guess. Maybe just, and maybe all that is is, actually don't even know what accounts for that but well We just don't have any superstars I'm just kidding. We have Sabrina Carpenter and Jessie Murph You don't think she's gonna Think she's good. Maybe I don't want

Cast dispersed it is hilarious that they're trying to market the trads now. Well, that's telling of who they see as people that are consumers now. Yeah. This is a bad time. It's bad. It's real bad. What worries me is their attempts to do that actually start. That is another reason we are going insane.

The elite keep trying to make us into these perfectly, like, they keep trying to use various media forms and propagandas to make us want to return to the past and be acceptable with the amount of immiseration we have all around us. And that's kind of- That was the trap, man. That's been the whole trap of all of this.

That's what makes us insane in a way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You have to, well, a common refrain on the left of the Trump era, as long as I've been part of, quote unquote that, has been, we gotta have a vision of the future. It's that Adam Curtis imperative. Yeah.

And it's like, we gotta have a compelling vision of the future. It's that Adam Curtis imperative. And it's like we've got to have a compelling vision of the future. And I never really knew what people meant by that. I was like, okay. Yeah, yeah, okay. So we'll just get everybody together on Thursday, we'll do some power mapping. Okay, we'll come up with something.

But I think that's really what people, when they say that, are getting at is that there's something that we haven't conceived of yet. But we have to be mindful of that. But everything in culture, even if it does seem like progress, like AI and all this stuff is actually kind of like pulling us back into nostalgia,

into that pit, into like, things were better in this bygone time. And it's sort of like precluded us like being able to think about the future or anything like that. Because when we think about it, it's like, well, if machines just do everything for us, what else is there to think about? Like, is there anything to dream like? Is that outside of our scope? You know what I mean? But I say this, I say this, if it is possible for our brains to adapt to the very unnatural

position of the 24-hour news cycle mediated by social media than maybe on the other side of it and sort of a there's good things about Drake and bad things about Drake and good things about Kendrick and bad things about Kendrick. Maybe there's a good kind of sort of adaptation or maladaptation that our brain can do that can help us think beyond. Watson by IBM Peter till give him all the money Put everybody that's not an affluent tech White person in the wood chipper, right? Everybody's gotta be something else. There's got to be another gear. Yeah, I don't understand why it stopped when it stopped being cool To think about the future as something where just everybody is fed

and has a home. Like why is that not something that has a compelling vision of a future? Yeah, yeah. Why are we... like think about futurism when we were younger versus now. Yeah. Now it's a bleak outlook. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's like kill everybody except for the elect few. Yeah. When we were kids it was like...

Even under liberal capitalism, yeah. even under liberal capitalism it was like let's capitalism can feed the poor and house the needy and everything. Yeah. I think about like even in culture like I was just thinking about like somebody pointed this out about Pharrell the other day it's like oh he was like the big futurist in music for in pop culture for a while, and he's like doing IDF fundraisers and shit. When did the futurists get off the rails and get this like sort of? Because the future became ethnonationalism.

Like that's the only way for this technology to actually be applied because otherwise the only other way for them to apply it would be to do things like rationing, allotting, and distributing food equitably, and housing, and that kind of stuff. That's the only, you can use technology for two things. To murder everyone, or to help everyone.

And they don't want to help everyone. They're not gonna help everybody. So they're just gonna murder everybody. Part of this is, I can't help but think. That's what technology is, by the way. What else is it? It has been to either liquidate society,

or help people. So it's not liquidation is easier. It's just a tool. We shouldn't worship it. We shouldn't use it as the end all be all of human progress. It's just an implement that we use to achieve various political aims

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