Trillbilly Worker's Party - Episode 405: A Jobs Program For Neurotics

Episode Date: August 15, 2025

Probably the last entry in a multi-part series looking at Frances Yates's "Giordano Bruno and the Hermetic Tradition" Support us on Patreon: www.patreon.com/trillbillyworkersparty

Look at all the different kinds of drinks I have. I have a soda, I have a sparkling water, I have a still regular drinking water, and I have a coffee. Now there's a, there's, you know, I've said on the show before. You know, the Japanese have words for concepts like wabi-sabi, you know. Wabi gravy gravy? wavy gravy. That's a Japanese word, yeah. And China, they have feng shui, you know, that kind of thing.

We have things like bisexual drink table. That's what that's called. Oh, this is bisexual drink table? Yeah, if you got... Soda, sparkling water, water, and coffee? Yeah, yeah, you got a whole assortment there. That's called... That's a lot of drinks for me.

Look, look, I can arrange all my drinks. By size. By size. small, medium, large Well, hold on a second Larges Looks like it Oh, you're right

This one's 16.9 fluid ounces This one's 19 Oh, you're doing it by weight You're doing it by weight I thought you're just doing it by bottle size No, I'm doing it by volume metric weight You know, I just learned that This is kind of embarrassing to admit

On this program But just learned that fluid ounces And ounces are two different things No Yeah, do you know that? No No. Yeah.

You're right. Well, look, I can organize everything by size in the world. Now I have a little chapstick down there. Ooh. And I have a candle. That's... And a rock. It used to be 10 ounces of candle.

That's about an ounce and a half now. This is 10 ounces of candle? Used to be. This is the volume podcast. We measure. We weigh things. We put them in an order that we like. I don't know.

This order is giving me power, I think. Okay. Water right here. Coffee right here. Sparkling water over here and the L8 over here in the case. You need a little sugar bump. I got a wild hair at my ass. And then I've got the lip balm right here.

That's SPF 25. I got Bisk off cookies down here. You do. Mm-hmm. This is giving me a lot of power. See? Oh, but look, I can also put. them you're stacking them by tears on my books stacking them by tears on the books yeah it looks

like like the pawpaw L8 just won the gold medal Pellegrino won the silver liquid deaths bronze coffees runner up coffee don't coffee's proved all it needs to it didn't need to win that's true you can organize stuff that's actually giving me the most power actually look I didn't even think of this I could stack them like this look at that's that's that's a That's pleasant to look at. That's a power stack. It's a shame that this is an audio podcast because you can't really, nobody could decipher what we've been talking about the last five minutes just based on.

It's a power stack. If you arrange things in a specific pattern and shape, you can get power from that. I've learned that from reading about talismanic magic. You're still on Bonjourno. Bonjournal. Well, before we get down into the magic rabbit hole here, as this phrase, millennial cringe came across your desk, yeah. No.

What's that? Well, I guess it's what, you know, I've been feeling more about, more feelings about the heavy hand of time, having just celebrated a milestone birthday. 30 now, everybody. He's 30. He's 30 years old. And, and... This is really funny.

We were like 30. I wasn't even 30 when we started this podcast. That's true. And now I'm pushing 30. 40, I mean. I was 18 when we started. I was fresh out of high school. Sorry.

Well, I guess Millennial Crens just refers to as like sort of the Gen Z sort of. estimation of our aesthetic choices of our generation. I was just curious what you think about the generations and stuff like that. What I think about them? Yeah, like when people, like, I've always thought, I've always thought it was kind of hoak them a little bit because everybody's like, man, the boomers bought all the houses and didn't leave us. And I was like, man, my mom never bought no house. You know, I think it's contingent on like your class station in a way.

You know what I mean? If you're part of those sweeping generalizations about the generations. But I was just curious if you had anything to say about millennial aesthetics. I do have this to say. For all the zoomers that like to talk shit about millennials, by the time my child is your age, you'll be old like me, motherfucker. That's the grand bargain of this all.

You know what I mean? We will only be separated by... You have your day in the sun for a while. I've had it. You had it. You know, everybody, the hair shot will have it for a little while, for a season. For a season. For a season.

That's true. And then the heavy hand of time will come for you too. And then people will be saying like, oh, man, can you believe they liked yeat? There's about three generations that have Drake to, the cudgel of Drake to suss out later off. Mm-hmm. That's... Do you think we'll be held to account for our boosting of, drink by the young

the next I don't think it's necessarily an accountability thing I just think but it's he's distinctly millennial right but then he carries

it on through about two more generations he's still number one yeah well sort of by that time he'll probably be a nobody think so

I don't know my therapist said in a hundred years do you think anybody will even care who Taylor Swift was and I was like actually

outwardly because I know with the right answer I'm supposed to say, no, of course not. Legacy doesn't mean anything because we're all going to die one day. But inside, I was saying, probably, we'll care very much. Well, what do you think? What do you think?

Can you name somebody from 100 years ago that was like the hot shit of their day that we still think about? Ernest Hemingway. Yeah, that's true. Mm-hmm. Do you think Taylor Swift's got the same cultural cachet as earnings Timingway? I hope it doesn't end the same way for. Blow her brains out in a boat. I hope not.

I hope not. Of the Cuba. Maybe she'll go out like F. Scott. Depressed and drunk. Drunk. Out of business. Well, let me be clear. My water just broke.

Let me be clear. I can't do Obama now without doing handkill. Is Taylor? Is Taylor? Is Taylor Swift, Millennium? crotch. I've got to have them cribs. And cribs too.

Got to have them crib. My water's broke. Maybe I have pregnant Obama. Let me have to clear. We've got to get the go back. Can't do that to me. I've got to get the go back. My water's broke.

I'm being induced. I'm going to push. Let me be clear. I'm going to eat. I'm going to preserve my placenta, and I'm going to eat it. I don't know. Eat it for vitality. What do you think about him calling Zoran, Mom Dani?

Oh, my God. Do you think that was, like, a shit coating? Is this the nice guy shakedown? What's happening here? This guy's shaking down. You know what I mean? It's like, let me be clear. Zoran.

You get on the level? Or, or. I don't even know. I don't even know how much. What kind of sway do you think Obama has? anymore. He just got disappeared, didn't I? I think he's got all the sway. I think he's the, you think he's

pulling the strings? I think he's the grand potentate. You think so? Yeah. Damn. Lave and a bit clearer. I want a natural birth. I'm going to give birth from him home. I'm going to give birth to my bath time. Moussel, come in here.

Michelle, come here. I'm all water. A sucker's coming out breech. A sucker's coming out breech. And was feet first. He didn't say he hit the ground running. Is that what Bridge Berth is on the feet come out for? It is, yeah.

Okay, I was to make sure that was right. It's supposed to come out ahead, right? He's supposed to come out head first, yes. You think about it, man. Breach would be way better. Why is that? You hit the ground run? Uh-huh.

It just starts, the baby just starts running, then the cord just rains it back in. Uh-huh. A regular Usain Bolt. Yeah. Mm-hmm. I don't know why I found that so funny,

but I did. That's millennial cringe. That is millennial cringe. Yeah, that's right. Taylor Swift's got a new album out, cementing her status as an icon. We should make statements like that on the show now. she's now cemented her status as an icon.

I'm sure the music's going to be good, okay? I have some questions about the Paul Verhoeven aesthetic influence of the package. It's not really working for her in her palette. And I,

just one man's worthless opinion. Sabrina Carpenter, that would be great for her. I'm not saying nothing. You think that wrong with me you think I'm you think I'm I don't have an opinion one way or the other I think I'm flirting with disaster I don't even try to acknowledge that she exists

honestly okay oh you're even worse with the erasure I'm saying what she shouldn't be wearing you're erasing her I think we're both on the hook here uh huh um I I agree with you it's not it's not anything to do with her her it's just sort of channeling Elizabeth Berkley and showgirls it just doesn't seem like it doesn't seem like a gear she has you know what I mean you're talking about like the cover

with her her titty's all hanging out no that's fine I'm not against any of those things I'm not against any of those things it's just that I don't see her aesthetic universe really having much overlap with Paul Verhoeven vision yeah do you know what I mean it's an interesting

concept that I that and again I'm sure the music will be great but yeah I'm sure to be fire I'm sure to be hot fire but it'll be so good yeah but I love the music that she makes we're walking along uh-huh do you have a favorite do you like Taylor at all no it's not not for you period I've tried you try I'm trying it's just not for me man yeah yeah It's just, um... It's two millennial cringe for you. It might be, a little bit, yeah. Oh, you like to let's do, a little peep.

Pete? A little peep, yeah. I like stomped clap music. And I like how everybody was like, um... I guess on Twitter a few weeks ago, there was a whole round of discourse about the worst song ever made. And a lot of people were throwing out stomclap songs, like the Edward Sharp song and, uh, oh. Hey, that song that's like, Ho! Hey.

What song is that? I think he's the Lumineers. Ho! Hey. Oh, yeah, Lumineers. Mumford and Sons. But what's the one that's like the best day of my life? I don't know.

It's a Stomp Club? Best day of my, who? There was, I think this is germane to the millennial cringe thing. Stomp Clamp? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, this is a good. I mean, I feel like a lot of people, a lot of people kept saying that Edward Sharp

in the Magnetic Zero song, Home, was the worst song ever written. Yeah. And I feel like a lot of people are fronting on that. Like, that song sucks, but it's not the worst song ever. Well, hold on a second. Does it suck, though? Okay.

I'll admit it doesn't suck. Listen. I'll be brave enough to admit it. Here's my stance on this stuff. I have the same stance of course. cross-genre. I have a great deal of respect for who can ever carve out the perfect pop sound of whatever their movement or genre is. Okay. Uh-huh. And you have to admit the, huh-huh, hmm, hmm-hmm, hmm-hmm. That's ear candy. It is. I mean, it's just scientifically

it's ear candy. I mean, you would have had, if you had six Swedish guys cooking that up in the closet and Gothenburg, you would have been like... But it came from America, so... Yeah, yeah, but now it's like, oh, yeah, it's... Yeah, I don't, I don't care for the aesthetic choices. I've never been into the crunch, you know what I mean? But you got to admit it's a catchy song. Yeah. The song is about how wherever you are with you

I'm home. I'm home. A powerful sentiment. A powerful sentiment. A powerful sentiment. Powerful sentiment, especially in these times that we're talking about male loneliness and millennial cringe. Millennial cringe might have led to the male loneliness. We're not talking about causation here. That's true. Yeah. Enough. That is true.

I think that in this day you're right in the day of in cells and male loneliness it's preferable I don't know

the way that they dealt with in cell the way if you were like a broke peasant in like the 1300s and you were an insale you would just have sex

with a horse probably and probably everybody would have understood to some degree why you were doing that if you got to come do you think that

like oh it's Charles the unfortunate huh you got to make an allowance You think when No was like putting together the arc People were a little sussed out by that They were like

You know it's two of everything What is he trying to do? I was so two of everything I mean I know it was fairly early on In the arc of history But two Two we have a lot of stuff Fully formed versions of that stuff

Two mosquitoes You're gonna tell me he went out and found two mosquitoes Man not likely He was fucking all the animals on that boat You think so? Yes He was fucking all the animals on him. Oh, Terrence.

Yeah. Terrence, you're awful. No. Oh, you're awful. He crawls into bed and he's got like two mosquito bites on his penis. And his wife is like,

you care to explain where you've been? He's just scratched his eyes like. He's covered in mosquito He's covered mosquito butts. He said it was awful, honey. And they attacked me. I didn't want to.

I didn't want to. I didn't want I didn't want it Oh my God This dude was fucking crickets and stuff You think so You think he was trying to He's putting worms in his ass

This guy's a total degenerate The elect of God, no sir Well he was like 900 years old And stuff right That's true You gotta Could you imagine if you live to be 900 years old

And you got ED at like Age 90 For the remaining 820 years you just can't fuck that'd be part for the course for us but in the in the ancient times you didn't have viagra back then you got 800 years of of that's why they were so morose and talking about like it's like oh like abraham was like oh my wife sarah's barren lord and it's like no you're 362 bro yeah would you would even maybe maybe look inward look at you it's like how they say like the fertility thing

you know there's this big moral panic about declining birth rates and fertility and stuff and it's like people people usually attribute cultural and economic factors for it but like there is also a growing body of evidence to indicate that men are probably just less fertile than they used to be microplastics and they're nuts like endocrine blocking hormones and shit that you eat in food

and stuff like that, I think. That's why we're putting beef tallow in steak and shake fries. So they're trying to get us... They're trying to get our loads back. They're trying to get our nut back tastier and more fertile.

Well, I've got a lot of questions about the process. I mean, I got to say, Robert Kennedy doesn't look terribly virile. Does he even have kids? I don't even know if he has kids Does he? I don't know We need to

I don't want to look I don't want to know We have enough We have enough fucking candidates I don't want to know I don't need to know Oh man Why are we talking about the arc

In bestiality Yeah because you keep running From the millennial cringe thing That's something you don't want to look in the eye I don't want to do self-reflection What was, what do you think was your most millennial cranes thing? That's your, it's distinctly of your, this era, or of our youth era. Of our youth era, Freak Folk, which was a precursor to Stomp Klapp.

You don't get Stomp Klapp without Freak Folk. Really? I don't think so. Give me an example, Freak Folk. Like, Davenger Banhart. So you think that, like, basically what they did, like Edward and the boys. Yes. That was derivative of freak folk

Took like Devendra Barnhart There was like a genealogy Like in the mid-aughts There was a revival of folk music Like I feel like even Iron Wine was getting in on that Devendra Banhart You know what I mean

Like bearded guys Who pretended like they were train hoppers And like they were mystics Yeah yeah yeah And then out of that You get You get Edward Sharp because Edward Sharp and the StompClap thing was a hybrid

And his magnetic zeros Just said look Here's what we do He's a mystic We're just going to take this to pop Uh huh That's all it is Well they combined freak folk

With Old Crow Medicine show Old Crow Medicine Show Old Crow Medicine show is the missing ingredient there That's how you get from Folk music That's the missing link Yeah that's how you get from folk music In the ATS to Stomp Clap

OCS Yeah OCS Yeah, Old Cromedicin show. Well, that's, I mean, that's the... Because they had the band... Well, also, Sufion is also kind of responsible for it, too. People were fucking cooking with the banjo in the, in the odds. And then it's sort of the, at a certain point, the banjo sort of became,

ran through a bunch of filters and utilized to sell like, like for Target commercials. Yeah, you mean with Ebert Sharp? Not with Abert Sharp, but just like that kind of music, that kind of music was kind of used to sell like, you know, I don't know, like to announce that Walmart was rolling back the prices or something. Oh. You know what I mean? I didn't notice that. I stopped watching TV around 2009. Did you?

Okay. Yeah, dude. You're just not going to have this conversation. The reckoning's here And you're just not You just don't want to give an account I am I'm

I'm willing to hold myself to account In my generation I'm just not sure What millennial cringe Like I understand We are cringe We are the cringe generation I'm not gonna run from that

Oh I don't think I think every generation's The cringe generation Do you think the boomers were cringe? What's that? I think the boomers were cringe? Some of that shit was pretty cringe, bro.

They were like, I'm the joker, I'm the smoker, I'm the midnight toca. It's like, shut the fuck up, dude. Shut the fuck, you're none of those. You're a stockbroker. Shut the fuck up, you're a salary, man. You're not a midnight toker. Shut the fuck up, you're working to advertise. Yeah, dude. This shit was pretty cringe.

Well, that generation was like, Here's the problem. Herein lies the problem. Youth culture has to, and I'm not just saying this because I'm desperately trying to hold on to the vestige. I don't even think I can claim

to be young anymore now. No. I think I've crossed the threshold. We're in mid-Aid, we're in mid-life. We're in mid-life. We're middle-age. We're in middle-age.

Do you realize, statistically speaking, we're halfway through our lives. We're over halfway through our lives. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no. Like, me and you will probably clock out somewhere around the age of 70.

Oh, we'd give us a little more than that. I don't even... Well, you maybe. A few years ago, maybe, but... My heart is not lasting 38 more years. You don't think so. No. You don't think you got a four piece in you,

as in four more decades. No. No. No. Also, I don't even get enough sleep. Someone in the comments was like... You're going to get this septum. thing done is that Septim Pearson

That's all The procedures Is the Septim Pearson He just got back With a little Septim Pearson You're like Dad's what did you do

I go I got the procedure I was like Did you Someone in the comment scared the absolute shit out of me They were like My husband is a neuroscientist

And they're finding That Even Missing even a little bit of sleep In your middle age years contributes, like raises your possibility for dementia like a hundredfold.

I'm mischaracterizing what they said. I'm mixing it with my own hyperchondriac fears and I'm hyper... Okay, you see, you can't do that because when you said that, mentioned that the other day, I got my wills turning. Well, my grandma had dementia and she never slept.

And my mom never sleeps. And, I mean, that was her mom. Like, I'm probably going to get it. Like, what I'm saying is that I'm not last and later than 75 or 80. You ain't living long like this? Well, I mean, also, we can't retire.

We've established that, right? Like, we'll be fucking talking into these microphones for the next 35 or 40 years. That's what you all have to live for. Dude, because you have us as old men doing this show is going to rule. Like, here, we're pregnant, pregnant, pregnant, bear and trap. No one even knows who Bob Dylan is by that point. Like, by the time we're 70, like, no one's going to know about Bob Dylan. Like, as soon as he dies, we have to retire that bit because no one even, like,

that's that's right, he's clock. I mean, like, no, we're like this. We might have two more years left. We're not even getting new younger listeners. So all of our, we are like the pharaohs. we're sealing all of our listeners in the tomb with us and they're all going to die too with us yeah old patreon is different again yeah I'm worried about what we're going to do it's like

well we're probably checking out you know yeah dude 75% of her audience is dead and we've not gotten a new listener under the age of 30 in 30 years. Hey, mcadies will come along anytime now. Let's do the show today. I'm ready to do the show today.

Uh-huh. Oh, God. Man. Yeah. That's fun. Getting old and dying is fun. And I look forward to it.

I'm already doing it, in fact. Every day you're doing it, little by little. Little by little. Little by little. Oh, my God. Man. Well, which brings me to my next cheerier point, as I've been meditating a lot lately on man's encroachment into the natural world. Okay. This has to do with millennial cringe? It's not dissimilar, I suppose. Okay. See, one of the critiques of the millennial cringe thing is that, That, um, where does this come from, by the way?

Who the fuck is leading this charge against millennial crin? Have they written treatises about this? Well, is the printing press burning up with treatises about other... Pamplets are being spread. Pamplets are being spread about millennial cringe. Yeah, they have. I heard some guys, I heard the guys on time crisis talking about the other day, and it got my wheels turning thinking, like, yeah, there are some aesthetic qualities of our generation

that might not have aged well into the, like, what's your assessment of, like, Indy Rock, for example? Give me an example. Like, Deer Hunter? Yeah, you know the band. Oh, come on, you know the band. What are you talking about? Well, there's several different, like,

I feel like Gen X is also in the hook for Andy Rock. Like, it's not just millennial. Big time. I love Indy Rock. What are we even talking about here? Is this even up for debate? I'm talking about indie sleighs. Our generation's...

Deer Hunter? Deerhunter's in there. Deerhunter fucking rocks. Do they suck? Are they, is it cringe now? No, no, no. Is it cringe now and not like Deer Hunter? No, no, no.

One of the best fucking bands. No, it's not cringed and not like deer hunter. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, you're pointing, you're pointing, you're pointing, you're pointing to the ridiculousness of it that I find that in, frankly. So, okay, so you do find it ridiculous. You're just putting on a bit, like you're above it all. I don't deal in the generations argument, especially not

now after turning forward in. Okay, so what is the fucking, what is even the controversy here then? Is there, are there indie sleeves bands that are embarrassing now? You're going to seriously tell me that Animal Collective sucks or something? No, I don't think so. I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is that there are people that are like, well, they're getting even more granular. Okay.

You know. For example? Those little bastards, they don't even start bands anymore. I just make music in their rooms by themselves. They're like, these bands are cringe and they suck. Like fucking bitch, join a band, motherfucker. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you know who they love like,

they find out about like suicide. They're like, I can do that in my bedroom. It's like one of those guys is dead and the other ones in the 70s. What are you talking about? No, like statistically people don't join bands anymore. They don't start bands anymore. Statistically, people aren't joining bands.

Isn't it? That's part of the male loneliness epidemic It's all connected They're making bedroom music Like bitch get out of your bedroom Go get in a garage Destroy your ear drums Get tinnitus by age 23

Yeah yeah yeah Go drink yourself to death by 45 Rinse wash repeat Okay so Then yeah so what is the Are they talking shit on indie sleeves I see that I've got your attention now Yeah, you got my attention

I'm pissed You were mad about deer hunter Pissed off That's the most angry I've seen you on this show In six months Is that at the insinuation That some little shit had said

Deer Hunter sucks I didn't even say it You worked yourself into that frenzy You go Are they saying Deer Hunter sucks? Not on my watch Get out of your bedroom

You little pussies It started being half as good as deer hunter I didn't say they said deer hunter I'm drinking this now I'm stealing from here You fucked up my power combo shape I had to You fucked up my talisman

I dried out Dude my power stack is now Half depleted with power I don't have as much power now as I did Motherfucker Put your coffee down there It'd be a nice little stagger I'm putting my coffee in my lap.

I'm drinking it on my stomach. Okay, I mean, I will grant you. There are some bands that fell off that, like, were good. Iron and wine. They weren't indie. Were they? I don't know. Freak folk.

Yeah. They were freak folk. I mean, they weren't really. They were like, it was like gay, acoustic pop music that you could put on the Garden State soundtrack like that was a whole genre

in and of itself or like the Elizabeth Town soundtrack does anybody even know what I'm talking about do these references like I really am old man well it's funny that you used the exact reference they used on that show

was the Garden State soundtrack yeah that was the whole genre in and of itself really the shins the shins yeah interesting would you classify I think I'm a millennial cringe.

No, they rule. I'm going to be honest. I never really get that into them. It's a neighbor's a shins guy. No, I mean, I like that one song. Everybody always likes the one song. Everybody always likes the one song. That's got a hit.

I want to talk about stomp clap, okay? Okay, I'm sorry. Let's keep it. Let's keep it focused. If we're talking about millennial cringe, let's talk about stomp clap. That's probably the best, were they listening to this on your precious podcast? that you were listening to is your precious podcast

where they talk about you're mad I'm listening another podcast now first off it's an internet radio I am mad you're listening to other podcasts this is a fucking

adulterous infidelitous behavior you're only supposed to listen to three podcasts revisionist history with Malcolm Gladwell um Bill Simmons podcast

whatever he's up to these days I don't even care to look. And the Obama Bruce Springsteen podcast. How could he do that? How could the boss do that? Yeah, I don't know. I'm fucking, I'm kind of selling on the boss, actually.

You're selling on the boss? I told you that the other day. The way you are with basketball is how I am with Bruce Springsteen now. I'm like, fuck that. No, and I'm not, I don't really feel that way. I don't feel that way about basketball. I just, that's what I was feeling that day. I'm just a little jaded.

I'm just jaded. I'm jaded My name's jaded Ray So that's That's antithetical To the millennial Grinch thing

Because the Gen Z critique of millennials Is that we're Relentlessly positive What? So apparently There's a theory

That there's a Alpha wave And a beta wave Sort of Uh huh And so you get The baby boomers Begat

Gen Alpha Beta We're beta. No, no, no, no, no. Gen X is beta. But boomers were alpha? Alpha. Or maybe it's this.

Hold on a second. Alpha in what sense? I'm mapping the waves. Hold on a second. And then you get millennials, which were back alpha. Okay. And then Gen Z. So they admit their beta?

No, it's not like an alpha beta like batter. It's just like there's sort of like a detached negativity to like Gen X that missed us and hit Gen Z. I think we're pretty detached. See, I think so, too. Ironic. I think so, too. The problem is that they keep trying to generalize our generation. That's it.

I don't generalize you guys. I don't all say that you're all a bunch of loner and no pussy getting losers that don't start bans. That don't fuck with deer hunter. I regret that. I'm sorry, Gen Z. You're welcome on my podcast any day. In fact, I need more of you to start listening to my podcast so that it has lunche. In fact

Made you step up to your part Get your friends to listen to this Please They won't They wouldn't I have a Gen Z friend Who You've been friends

You've made contact with one I have Okay He was telling me that his He was telling his Gen Z friend about the show I think you should leave And his friend said

Isn't that a show for old people I mean We're God damn We're pretty I guess we are old now Yeah Well

That's a fair But I don't I don't view Tim Robinson as Well I guess he's millennial He sucks I'm just kidding I don't even think that

You're just going to say everything sucks Yeah Mm-hmm I don't know I mean I guess I guess I could see were relentlessly positive, like, the, um, the, the, we shouldn't be defined by the worst of us,

though. We shouldn't be defined by the, um, throw your hair in a bun, put on some gangster rap and deal with it among us. You know what I mean? Like, those types? That's, that is a distinctly millennial aesthetic and I will, I will own that, sure. I think it's, I think that's safely millennial cring. That's safely millennial cringe. Like, that's not Gen Z or Gen X, that's, If you see R.B.G. in the style of Notorious B-I-G. Yes. Or for that matter, they did the Notorious B-I-J. Yeah, yeah.

That's the other piece to this. Gen X didn't even listen to, I mean, black Gen X did, I guess, but, like, white Gen Xers weren't, right? Like, I feel like white millennials are the ones that started listening to, like, rap from the 90s. I mean, I think Gen X was listening as it came out, though. You think so? Yeah, for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Oh, okay.

My bad. Yeah, yeah, it's my bad. Sorry for stepping out of one. That's my bad on that one. RBG is notorious BIG. Yeah, they, uh... Yeah, we are on the hook for making Biggin' Woutang Clan Reddit. Mm-hmm.

That was something that I didn't think would be easy. Yeah, Wooten, yeah. Dude, what Millennials did to Wutang Clan is... We should be tried in the Hague. It should be punishable by... Yeah. by death the ICC

for sure I agree with you like next on the docket we've just sent Benjamin Netanyahu to death next on the docket all millennials for what you've done

to Wutang and notorious bio oh my god so anyway that's just something came across my desk and I wanted your take on it

did I say you're ready to defend deer hunter to the death did I satisfy your did you get out of me what you were looking for I found some bloodlust in unexpected places

You want them to start bands again Mm-hmm Start bands To subscribe to our Patreon Mm-hmm Start ban on subscribe to our Patreon And all your problems will go away I don't know what else to do

I don't know what else to do, man About millennial cringe I mean I've tried killing them all I do sneak out of my house tonight and murder them in their homes Couple of And bury the bodies Yeah

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Like I'm any less nebish And I'm like in those arms Well, that's true. I do have Jack Brab. I do have a lot of here. Jack Brab don't have things like this. I have to say, though, it does look like you lost maybe a quarter inch off of him this week.

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I won't get the cow. Your body looks like shit, Terrence. Your body looks like fucking shit. You're wasting away to nothing. You're wasting what you did nothing. Oh, you eating carrots and spelled again, you fucking pussy? It looked like fucking shit. I got another good anecdote.

Well, that wasn't a very good anecdote. That wasn't an anecdote at all. It was just... It was just a little... It was an inquiry. It was just a little survey to get us going. and we probably belabored the point there too much. I'm not even sure what the point was.

Is that what we talked about vaguely? I think you said Tim Robinson sucked thinking I was talking about a former Oakland Raiders wide receiver. Yeah, well, anyways, whatever. Who fucking gives this shit? Who fucking gives this shit, dude? Explain the nuttiness of the Book of Enoch to people. Well, it's, it's, okay, so if you read it, it talks about the fall of angels.

What do you think about this? Creating really the precursor of civilization that led to the first flood. What do you think about that? I think that when you even go into potentially the technology that was given to mankind by these angels, it talks about the hidden. This is an elected official in Florida. And there is an astronomy, et cetera, metal workings, all of it. Metal workings.

But it really does explain, you know, you were talking about earlier how you have a lot of these religions around the world that kind of say the same thing this is kind of the OG text that leads to those stories that we're hearing from many religions around her name is Anna Paulina Luna angels mixing with mankind and then

seeding a super race of humans that essentially were responsible for basically damning mankind that's fucking boring why don't you talk about Noah having sex with all of his animals I'm I'm kind of sick of

biblical apocrypha. Mm-hmm. These people are just, here's the thing, man. What used to be a rich seam of, like, tantalizing fodder has been rendered Snoosville with these people. It's all Snoosville, dog.

When I first started, like, trying to understand this stuff years ago, like the Book of Enoch and John D. And all this, I was like... That's your first mistake. I was like, this is some crazy stuff, man. This is crazy. Man, why didn't it?

Why didn't the... What was the church afraid of? What was the... What was the... it. The monis hieroglyphica, the monad. You were like playing some

like steel drum, like island music, canonize it. Canonize it. Canonize it. Don't baptize it. Oh, God.

That shit's all fucking boring as shit and it's like lame. It's so stupid. Like, I finally finished reading. I finally finished

reading the Francis Yates book. Okay, that's a lie. I have 10 pages left. Okay,

well, finally, the truth comes up. A fucking liar. My arms are streaking. My body looks like shit.

I'm a liar. I'm withering because I'm withering from my lies. I finally finished reading it, though, and it's good,

like, it puts the whole Rosicrucianism thing in context. Finally, we've put the Rosicrucian quick.

question to bear, huh? Yeah, dude. Well, I mean, I don't even remember where we last left off in our recounting of the Francis Yates book. I believe we were talking about, like, Copernicus and science

that was on the Patreon a few weeks ago, maybe. Do you remember talking about that? Or have you blocked it out? Trench millennial brain. No, I've tried to block it out because of the... The sinister implications?

No, the trauma of having to give a book report. on Copernicus with a Lisp as a kid. Oh, yeah. I had to give a book report on Einstein when I was in sixth grade. And I thought I understood that stuff. I've always been like this.

I've always been stupid as fuck, but I've always been also confident than I understand the stuff. But then, like, three weeks later, I'm like, I don't even remember any of that. Yeah. It's called having brain. It's called having CTE.

You know what I think I've been doing wrong? I've degenerated. I don't eat enough fatty fish. Oh, folic acid. And I've not been taking the omega-3s, like I should be. Hmm. I think it's rendered me of low intelligence. Hmm.

Lower. Mm-hmm. I've progressed past my baseline, low-intuitive. You're stupor than you should be? Than I should be. Okay. Yeah. That's cool.

Anyway. That's all right. There's nothing wrong with that. Anyway, at least I've identified the source, but carry on. Um, I don't remember what I was talking about. The book of Enoch. Enoch. Oh, yeah, Giodonarna Bruno.

Okay. The book is about Giodarna Bruno. Okay. When we last spoke, I'd gotten to the point where she finally starts talking about Giaardano Bruno. Okay. I'm not going to get into the specifics of what he actually believed in. Uh, but he was a very mercurial character. He went to England for a time.

he called the Queen Elizabeth Adiva and got in trouble for that. The Inquisitors were really mad about that. He was talking a little shit and they said, hey, no, no, no. Actually, the opposite. He was complimenting her. Oh, he was saying she was serving. She was serving, yes.

He said she was serving, huh? He called her. The Inquisitors asked him later on when he came back to Europe and got like egotistical enough to think that he could go back to Italy without getting in prison and since, to the inquisition. You can't go home, man. You can't go home. A prophet is without honor, and it's

trust me. That's a hundred out of a hundred times, it's poorly. They asked him, they were like, did you call the queen of this heretical country? Because by this time, England was known as heretical. They were a Protestant, you know, Anglican or whatever. Did you call her

diva? He's like, I did call her diva Elizabetha. He's like, but I didn't mean it's out. But it's not like you think. It's not like you think. Um, that's how he backtracked. Yeah, he did.

I mean, he was like always getting, he was always getting in fights with stuffy academics. Uh, he got into a fight with, he called him the Oxford pedants in England. Uh, then he went back to France and got into fights with the members of the court of

Henry the third. Henry the third was supposed to be his patron, but then, things start i think this was during like the spanish armada um henry the third disowned him like he sent he sent one of his agents to go call out giordano bruno in a public debate and giordano bruno went to this debate and he talked mad shit about aristotle and the people at the debate one of which was an agent of henry the third was like how dare you talk shit about aristotle meet me behind the school at this time tomorrow it was really ready to kick

his eyes. He said, me and behind the school tomorrow to defend your sayings, and Joe Donner-Burno didn't show up. He's a little pussyed out. You can't do that, though. You can't do that. Yeah, if you're going to run that cocksick, you'll be ready to defend it. Yeah. So then he ran off to Germany, which Francis Yates thinks that he might have seeded the, he might have planted the seeds for Rosicrucianism while in Germany, but I think she might be a little premature. I, I read a article written by someone who was like uh-uh francis yates was wrong about all this stuff and so

i'm a little mad about that because i don't think i think it was kind of an unfair characterization of her book because i think her book's pretty good and i'm going to write my own clapback soon on this field i know nothing about so you've got you got some things to say about i'm just kidding they're going to hear they're going to hear what you got to say about it yeah dude So bring me back to the Nephilim. The Nephilim. All right. Well, a lot of secret societies were started in the 17th century because do you remember when I first started talking about this all the way back several episodes or whatever?

When I first started talking about this about the revival of the Renaissance magician, it was mostly spurred on by the translation into Latin. of the Corpus Hermeticum, which everybody thought, because they had fetishized Egyptian culture and hieroglyphics and stuff, they thought was an ancient text from like Moses's time. Are we do, do you think,

for another wave of Egyptology to sweep the nation? The world, yes. Do you remember when like, William Randolph Hearst was really, like, you know, some of those people of that era, they were really into it?

Uh-huh. I went to the Hurst Castle one time. He was really, he had a lot of Egyptology, the artifacts that he had sourced, yeah. Well, a lot of these are, renaissance magicians thought that like the hieroglyphics were like divine like they had a power to them sort of like my power stack over there with my drinks it's been diminished since i stole

part of your pantheid and i'm feeling it already the episode's starting to suck now since you fucking diminished starting to suck since you're starting to suck you say um the whole renaissance magician thing started because they had translated into latin this guy Ficino, translated into Latin, the Corpus Hermannicum, which they thought was an ancient piece of Egyptian wisdom which predated Christianity, which went back to Moses' time, because

it was like all the way back in the misty reaches of time was more holy and was more tapped into the true nature of the universe, okay? And out of this, they developed insanely intricate, like they were cooking, dog. Like, if nothing else, if you think that Francis Yates got

some stuff wrong in this book, if nothing else, her book is fascinating because it shows how people cook when they get in the lab, how they like take certain ideologies and strains of thought and philosophies and like blend them together and create these fucking totally bizarre

hybrid lines of thinking and philosophies. Because like, because like I said before, Christianity and Catholicism had kind of exhausted itself, but it started to like branch off into the Reformation, right? Catholicism

was also looking at a kind of regeneration of its own and a lot of Catholics thought that the way you did that was through hermetism hermeticism and cabala taking Jewish cabala mixing it with hermeticism

and creating a Christian cabala like a kind of mystical form of Christianity where they would they believed that there were hierarchies of angels and this really intricate elaborate like cosmological eschatology

of like yeah like I said you there was hierarchies of angels you can draw the power of the angels down into talismans and and statues and you could use magic to summon angels and demons and this kind of stuff that's what john d was doing enochian magic just comes from john d and this guy john kelly who is like john edward kelly or edward kelly who was john d again he was like queen elizabeth's like um court magician basically court astrologer So you had to wear many hats in those days. You had to wear many hats in those days.

You couldn't just be a jester or a magician. You had to kind of do all of them. Be an amateur alchemist. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And apparently a witch too. When I first started hearing about like hermedicism and like the Rosicrucians and the Freemasons and the Book of Enoch and all this like years ago, I was like, oh, this is creepy, man. This is some creepy stuff. Like this is really, it goes back to ancient times.

this is really creepy, man. I have to tell you, the occult, not what it used to be. They've ruined the occult in 10 years, like the creepy, like the sort of, like, tantalizing dimensions of the hidden wisdom. The hidden wisdom, yeah. There's no piss anymore, so all the hidden wisdom is just... It was already kind of gone by the 17th century. Because, as I was saying a second ago,

they used the corpus hermeticum as their evidence and proof for Renaissance magic for like doing these crazy like they had these really like I said intricate complex philosophical systems like the earth moves and the earth is a god and the solar system is heliocentric the sun is at the center of it and they coincidentally they were correct they were correct about

that stuff yeah and and they had complex numerology and these really weird, like I said, systems of thinking that were mystical, there were neoplatonic, and if you would read them now, you'd be like, it's almost poetical. It's actually kind of, in my opinion, it's kind of like, it's kind of poetical. It's kind of beautiful prose in a way. It's like, oh, this is kind of cool. The earth is alive.

The earth is a god, this kind of stuff. It's like, this is kind of cool. But in 1614, this guy, Isaac Kasabon, I don't know how to. I guess that's how you pronounce his name. He was the first person to debunk, to basically, he debunked the hermetic writings, the corpus hermeticum. Just through,

just through, like, rhetorical analysis, he was able to prove that, well, first of all, he basically pointed out something that should have been obvious to anybody who came across this stuff in the 15th century, which was that this guy never mentions,

like the corpus hermeticum never mentioned, mentions anything about, like, or I'm sorry, Plato and Aristotle never mentioned the Corpus Hermeticome. It's never in any of their writings. Like, none of the philosophers... So it wasn't even that old? No, it was dated to about the 200s, A.D. Okay. Like, third century, second or third century, AD. Now, let me ask you a question. The way that information was delineated in those days and sort of spread. is it possible that corpus or medicus might not have just it might not have went across aristotle's desk it's possible it's it's possible but do you think they would have probably

comb the depths by that point yeah they probably would have been aware of it yeah i mean it's possible yeah but like he can't know everything but in those days there was less to know so that's true you know but there was there was less to know but they were people were just cooking though Socrates would have been baffled by the internet he couldn't have his his mind couldn't have handled him

He'd been renting He would have like a thousand tabs open Yeah he would be so dumb Dude he would be He would be dumb as well You know what I mean? He wasn't even a philosopher I mean people say he was

But he didn't write anything You imagine popping up being like The Pocratic imperative is to know thyself Shut up pussy That's millennial cringe, dude Yeah Shatting down philosopher Or also knowing myself

Knowing thyself, yeah The problem is Millennials know theirself too much You're supposed to repress everything, guys Don't know yourself at all You repress it, push it deep, deep down Don't push it Don't ever think of it

That's right Um Okay, it's possible it never came across Aristotle or Plato's desk I mean, but like you would think it came across some philosophy Philosopher's desk. Like, there were so many working at that time that it would have come across some of them.

It was basically a jobs program for neurotics, you know what I mean? Like, you didn't have a job, and you didn't really have any, like, fatching, goat herding or poet skills. Yeah. You were just a public intellection. Well, yeah. That was the problem. That was maybe an issue early on. They had to find ways to justify having slaves.

So that's why they needed philosophers. They were like, get to work, justify in this place. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Listen, we're doing some bad stuff. I need you to come up with moral justice. Justify having slaves and having sex with little boys. They were like, we need you to get to work on that. Get to work on those two things.

And they never answered the one question. But Casabon also proved that it just, it was written in a late Greek style. It wasn't written in an archaic Greek style. It was obviously dated from like the first or second century. So it was like, there was no way that it was written in a style that was predated Christ. So basically what you're saying is like they would have It'd have been like if a document comes across our desk And they describe something as bitching

We would instantly recognize that as not of our A hundred percent yes Not of our generation Not yes exactly Bitching or jive turkey Yeah yeah yeah Someone didn't write that in 2012 That was that's not a

That's not a parlonce of the modern age Someone wasn't out getting their bread Yeah yeah the um all this stuff was pretty it could have been apparent to a lot of the renaissance magic but like they just really really wanted to do magic so they overlooked it you think that's you think that's our modern condition is uh-huh in a disenchanted world everybody wants to do magic i think that like okay well okay so this this book is really good because it shows the genealogies and lineages of these thoughts because

after Cossabon dates the Corpus Hermeticum correctly to the first or second century it basically sends all the hermetic sex underground. That's how you get the Rosicrucians. They became

basically an underground secret society at that point because their shit kind of got debunked and they were like there was this guy Robert Flood who was a big proponent of the Renaissance magician. He was, he started the, I don't know if he started the Rosicrucians, technically Christian

Royce and Croats or whatever started the Rosicrucians, which is a legendary figure he probably doesn't exist. Rose and Crancing Gildenstern. That, one half of that duo started. They started the Rosicrucians. But the Rosicrucians were like obsessed with alchemy. In fact, Francis Yates

used the word addicted. She said they were addicted to alchemy. Like, do you think in the same way that disaffected young men today are addicted to porn and it's hurt their intimate relationships. Do you think that like in those days, court magicians

were so addicted to alchemy that it really like... Yes. Moiled their brains. Yeah, because like at the turn of the 17th century by 1600, you had, Geo O'Brien was burned at the stake in 1600 by the Inquisition.

And then you just had... The music had died. The music had died. That's the year of the music died. Yeah, wizards and sorcerers were getting rounded up everywhere in Europe by this time. Because it had become a massive craze. People were fucking obsessed with magic. They really wanted to do magic. Like Bruno's, you should see Bruno's, look, I brought the fucking book, and I showed it to you

last time. But like, it's really funny to think about this time, because I hadn't really put this together. Now the truth comes out. I see where you've still got 10 pages left. Yeah, I've got 10 pages left, bitch, plus the index. I have to read every single thing in the index. that's a joke

I don't really do that like okay that's not it either the uh like Junon Arbruno in some of his stuff he drew these really bizarre diagrams

like this you see this see these diagrams yeah it's a lot of we got the star David there there's a triangle with some weird

trippy snakes around it a pyramid with some stars one of these had all you had to do to strike fear in the heart of a young man around my age

is just draw like some sort of symbol with some like Yeah, is it dude this was a geometric shape that you can't see it from where you're sitting but it says magic in it

in each of the squares If you grew up Christian there's nothing scarier to you than geometry and magic spelled with a K It was literally it was like high school stoner's shit They really like to draw

weird shapes They really like to draw weird shapes and so they overlaidly looked a lot of the obvious clues that the hermeticum was not ancient. I mean, it was, it was ancient in the sense that we would consider it. They wanted it to be ancient. Well, yeah, because they fetishized Egypt. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ancient Egyptian culture as the true, like, that it was more tapped in to the truths of the universe than any other culture, because it went farther back into time.

And so after they... That's another, another check in our column as older men. Yeah. We're closer to the truth. We're closer to the truth, because we go farther back. We go further back. That's true. Ninety-seven. I've seen things you've not seen. I was born during the Cold War.

Yeah, I was there. I'm so old. I remember seeing the Berlin Lawfall. The... Okay, so, but like after they date the Corpus Hermeticum accurately, that kicks off. And then a second and a second... important thing happened, which was that they finally deciphered Egyptian hieroglyphics. Like, before that, they get, they, it was kind of like a cipher. They didn't really

know how to decipher hieroglyphics. But then they figured out a cipher code for it in like the mid-1610s or 1620s. And so those two things, basically debunking the corpus hermeticum and deciphering hieroglyphics, kind of just, you know, toppled the whole Renaissance magician craze. And so then you've got this period of scientific enlightenment and rationality and like serious thinking. We have to correct for this Yeah, right. For this

these dilettantes over here with their illusions. It's pretty funny because like I said it shows like it demystifies like the secret society thing. Like because a lot of these guys were just nerds. Like they were just like they like they like to just play with

medals and talism and in their little secret society. Which is fine. Which is fine. Which is fine. But, you know, are we tapping into the secret wisdom of the ages when we do that? There's the question. No.

I mean, because, like, the truth of the matter is that there is no objective secret truth of the ages. Even science can, like, make that claim that you can get to an objective truth about the universe. But can... Is science going to have its own reckoning? Are we going to start rounding up the science? I would say that we already are. right? Because...

It's already breaking down. Well, it is breaking down. But, like, let me ask you a question what factors into that. Is it just because

they're all on the take now? Capitalism? Yeah, yeah. I think capitalism undermined the actual intent and mission of science. Yeah. Yeah, in the same style

that sorcery was breaking down in those days. Well, I think that's why, not that, like, sorcery ever went away because you had, like, Theosophy,

you had the interest in secret societies, which maintained elements. What did you say, it retreated? It retreated. It went underground. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, like, that's the thing.

Like, I mean, I guess secret societies do go back, like, you know, all the way back to fucking whatever. But, like, when you're talking about, like, the Freemasons and you're talking about, like, these things are, like, creepy because, like, the numerology. Yeah. And, like, they're... It's numbers and shapes, man. Numbers and hieroglyphics. Christian America can't handle numbers and shapes. Yeah.

That, they intentionally, like, the Rosicruism. Crucian writings, there's three. There's three books that the Rosicrucians. One of them has a very bizarre title of the chemical wedding of Christian Roisenkrantz or whatever. That's pretty tight. That's pretty tight. That sounds good. I would listen to that album.

If they were so, I didn't know anything about that band and that was the title, it'd be like... Yeah, it's a Prague rock album. Yeah. Hell yeah, I'm throwing that on. Like, they're all intentionally incoherent and confusing. Because a lot of secret societies do that. They, to throw you off, they kind of, you know, they, they, their public facing output is generally a little confusing and incoherent. It's not to say that there's anything like malicious or malevolent behind secret societies at large, but the thing is, is that this usually gets conflated because then you think about stuff like skull and bones and like the Bush family doing 9-11 and like the numerology of 9-11 and stuff.

that's when it starts to get weird but I mean I don't know I mean I'm not a fucking I don't claim to know anything about that but like when this like what's her name something Paulina Luna

that elected official on Joe Roke and talked about Enochia Magic Enokia Magic was just all it was was I can't handle it there no is the system of magic that John D and Edward Kelly came up with Edward Kelly was like a known fraud

like he was just like basically doing the Joseph Smith thing like he would like look into a crystal ball and be like the angels told me this and they wrote this whole book about like what quote unquote the angel said when it was really just Edward Kelly making it up basically this stuff is not

what I'm trying to say is like you should read this book because it demystifies all this stuff it like shows the lineages of thought and like how these various streams of thinking went into create these specific like forms and institutions and lines of thought we have now. So like when you're

watching somebody do some Rogan shit today or going Rogan and they're talking about Nephulam and Inokia Magic and all that stuff, you can just clearly point to it and say, okay. It was literally made up by a wacko in the 1580s or something. 1590s.

Yeah, yeah. Grow up, literally. Yeah. I mean, which is not to say that like you can't play with that stuff as like a like I think that there has literary value

for that like I do think it's interesting to think about like ancient aliens and fucking angels hierarchies of angels like if you're like

talking about like science fiction or even just theology or cosmology or whatever Dante you're reading Dante yeah like that's that's

there's a literary value to it that I find compelling but it's like as an explanatory model for the world like it's not falls short

and sometimes it's just completely hijacked by charlatans exactly imagine that a lot of charlatans but the thing is

it's like there are charlatans like Edward Kelly but then there are people like Gerdin or Bruno who isn't quite a charlatan like I don't know

if you would put him in that category because you have to understand I have respect for the true believers well you have to understand that like the historical this is why she spends half the book

outlining the historical moment that this is in the specific historical features of the 15th and 16th centuries made it possible for a guy like Giordano Bruno to exist. Like it was just a very turbulent time, very chaotic, very uncertain. A lot of people had hitched their hopes onto Henry of Navarre. Is that how you pronounce it? Henry, who wound up governing France as Henry IV.

They thought that he was going to be like the coming. liberal king who would usher in religious toleration in Europe. Not dissimilar to Donald Trump winning the election. Not dissimilar, right. But for different. But then he was assassinated

and all their hopes were dashed upon the rocks. So then they latched on to another leader or another pope or something. You know what I mean? Like it was there was hoped for, like this was such a bad time in Europe politically and religiously that people were like pining for a way out.

And so that's how, That's, we should also forget, this plugs into our episode about Muncer, Thomas Muncer and Luther. Yeah. Because while they are late 15th century, early 16th century, still, it's like you're talking about the same intellectual milieu that, like, this is growing out of. So Thomas Muncer would have known about. Yeah, in some ways, no, no, Munser was killed in maybe the 1520s. Oh, okay. He was before Bruno, but they had a very similar personality type.

Which is, yeah, like they were really impulsive. They were very idealistic and very zealous, and they really wanted to bring the kingdom of heaven to earth. Which is a noble goal. Yeah. And like you can say, like, I mean, it's hard to say, like, she talks about this guy, Tomaso Campanella. You know, I remember studying when I was in college.

But within the context of this, he makes a lot more sense. I didn't really understand it back then. but like he wrote this book which is one of the first like utopian books called the city of the sun and it's about like these solarians who like worship these gods and um it's you know they they would do this back then they would write like utopias or whatever thomas more the utopia like and companella believed that that the perfect state the perfect utopia would have basically like all property and possessions divided in common, but would

practice selective breeding. And she's like, well, you can't look at it as like eugenics, because they didn't have the concept of genes back then. They didn't have the concept really of race that we do now. The Sidney's Sweeney ad, wasn't nothing to that. Not to mention they didn't have jeans or denim.

Those kind of jeans either. They were poorer for it. That would be tight. Yeah. What didn't they have? Cod piece and spats. robes yeah spats and cod pieces and whatnot

feathered caps she said like what he meant by like selective breeding was like literally breeding according to the zodiac trying to create the perfect mixture of personality features and types people still do that

by people people still do it right which it is a form of selective reading in a way it's just not like a a genetic one But, like, you know, you can't accurately map onto this world, like, left and right. Because it is just a completely alien world from the one in which we inhabit now. But things that we are still left with today were created in that world.

Yeah. So, anyways, that's my book report. It's solid. There we go. Well, let me ask you a question. What do you think are some... broader themes we can carry with us into the modern day in terms of sussing out charlatanism versus mm-hmm you know

hmm like how do we know when someone's bullshitting well i mean that's part of it i think the other part of it too is like you know i don't know i get so like bogged down and all this sort of like, I don't know, I would call it pseudo-scientific. It's not even that. It's just like this like, all these like Rogensphere people are like obsessed with like the most amateurish sort of interpretations of like occult wisdom. Yeah. Or whatever.

Yeah. And like they read about, I don't know, they read like Manly P. Hall or something and they've cracked the code. I mean, that kind of. Madam Blavatsky and that stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or it's like, you know. another another strain of this is like the guy that is like merges all this stuff with like psychedelic inquiry yeah you know what i mean which is like i found that novel like 10 or 15 years ago but now i'm just

like that's so boring yeah you know what i mean and i'm not saying it's boring to like do mushroom doing thing like i'm talking about like when you're like doing that and being like yeah man but see here's the thing and then you the shapes and numbers shapes and numbers Which is tight. Yeah, yeah. I mean, look, look, it's alluring for a pseudo-intellectual like me. Numerology? Like, I love that shit.

Do you like numbers, though? Well, I like that they could mean something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's like that's why, and maybe that's why, if 9-11 was done by a secret cabal, maybe that's why they... And it was. And it was.

The Bush family. The Bush family with the Saudis. They perhaps put, they perhaps did it in a way that had numerology baked into it. They don't personally believe in numerology and the power of numbers and hieroglyphics and whatnot. But they know the power of numbers and shapes to break brains. To break brains. And so they fit it nicely into that palette. Exactly.

I guess that's my question. Yeah. It's like, how do we rightly divide, you know, the secret wheel? wisdom of the ages from somebody that's utilizing our fascination of the secret wisdom of the ages to get a con over us or worse to damage us mentally. I think that's the thing. I think that in the 17th century when a lot of these groups were driven underground and they started writing these esoteric texts like the Rosicrucians that were intentionally meant to

befuddle and throw people off, I think they realized they had a powerful weapon, which was, yes, that you could write as a cult wisdom. A cult wisdom. Even if they didn't believe in it. Arcane wisdom. Maybe they got defensive about the fact that it had been debunked. And as a result, they doubled down on it, or they realized that they could use it to consolidate their own in-group solidarity and at the same time mystify their aims to outsiders. Which would also, again, consolidate in-group solidarity.

making it easier to pull off certain actions. So it's like, if you look at it that way, secret societies are just an instrument. They're just a tool that anybody can use. I mean, the early labor groups were secret societies. Like, knights of labor and stuff. Like, they were in structure. Knights of Columbus.

Knights of, were they? I don't know. These civic organizations, the Kiwanis, the Lions Club. The Rotary Club. Used to be doing it good in the world, you needed some sort of occult pretense to do it. Which, yeah. And like some insignias and handshakes.

Yeah. Labor groups did that in the early days of labor organizing. Honestly, I think, well, it does engender like fraternity. Yeah. You know what I mean? I mean, like. Egalitate. Yeah.

Like, you know. For sure. I think that's something, yeah. There's something we said about keeping your tent a bit smaller. Yeah. I mean, I think it probably was the tool by which they did 9-11. Well, let's see. In the wrong hands.

Of course. Right, right, right, right. Yeah. Anyways. Francis Yeads, dude. I will say that, like, reading all this stuff, it's like kind of interesting that the... It's just interesting to watch people cook. dog.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like they were just like fucking, they would take some stuff here, they would take some stuff there. I'm going to read this about the diva. I have praised many heretics and also heretic princes, but I have not praised them as heretics.

And in particular in my book, I praised the queen of England and call her diva, not as a religious attribute, but as that kind of epithet which the ancients used to give to princes. And in England, where I then was and where I composed this, book the title of diva used to be given to the queen um he got in trouble for that and you got and now look now look if he were just looking down from his heavenly perch and i'd be like everybody's diva now and they wanted they wouldn't let me back in the country because of it yeah dude yes not viewed as an honorifican is that i mean i will admit that like even after

that shit is debunked it's still is kind of crazy. It's still cool. It's cool to think that there's like hidden knowledge on an obelisk in ancient Egypt. Isn't that cool? Doesn't it get, it triggers things in your brain, right? And then here's the other thing about it too

though, you know, is it's like, well maybe this has been debunk, but what if there's something we're missing? Yeah. What if there's something we're missing? And that you can riff forever on. You can riff forever on that. And they did do that. Yeah. And we continue to do it. We continue to do it to this day.

Every, but here's, I think here lies the issue, though, is in those days, you had to actually, you know, go spend the money to print out a pamphlet and spread it far and wine. Yeah, printing press. It wouldn't cheap to do, I would imagine. No. Now, everybody gets some half-cocked idea that they've thought through for 20 seconds and they can just put it out there, like us, for example. That's so true. You know what I mean? Pregnant Obama.

Pregnant Obama. I wrote a treatise about pregnant Obama in 1518. And printed it at my homie's house And it was foretold Dude The thing That's why they The idea that you could have

It's an allegory For him being pregnant with ideas That is yeah Yeah He has many To improve the country The idea that you could have A Joe Rogan of the left

Wouldn't work Because there is no mystery there Like what is the thing Like there's nothing fun about that Like it's just like These are the problems with the world This is why I mean, you could do it if you actually interrogated the philosophical underpinnings of all this stuff.

Yeah. But my hunched Jamie Harrison, the newly elected general left's not going to do that. Well, they're also just too fucking incurious. You have to actually be curious about the world to do that. Hey, say what you want about these occult scholars, but they're curious to say. They're curious. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's not a... Do you think Obama calling Mom Dani, though, was like a... Is the term shit-coding? You know what I'm saying? Like, it was like an attempt to alienate Mom Dani from his more left...

Progressive base. Like, oh, now he's getting co-opted. Here's what I feel about all that stuff. And I think this is a common problem with the left, because I've done it and all this kind of stuff. But, like, I think we need to get back to, like, just sort of sitting our biases aside on certain things. and just kind of taking it for what it is.

Do you know what I'm saying? Like I feel like sometimes I'll stay away from the appearance of something if it like seems to offend my, you know, online curated left of sensibilities. You know what I mean? So maybe I think that's kind of what you're talking about. It was like, does Obama know that he's like, you know,

anathema to like the left project? by calling Mondani and suggesting they may be in league or in concert. Yeah, it alienates him from his base. I think... It may be like shifts some... He would have to know it because they intentionally intervened in the 2020 election to make sure that Biden was the nominee. Yeah.

In an attempt to isolate the left. Well, we almost had a strike of professional athletes until he called Chris Paul and LeBron James. Well, I'm going to clear. My waters are broke. I may be clear. I got to go to the hospital. I got to go to the hospital, but before I go, shut up and dribble. Man.

Letters. I like the concept that numbers and letters and symbols have power. What's your favorite vowel? Why? Because it's not always well. Dude, you can't say that. You can't use why? I'm like...

What do they mean by that? Sometimes why? Isn't it always a vow? Have you ever seen... Oh, no, I guess we're not. And it's like, yes, it's not a vow then. Oh, yeah. Or you, or Yonick?

Or was that with an eye? I'm not sure. Yonik. You're obsessed with Yonner. This man loves the owner. Oh. I think I like O. O is my favorite vowel, I think.

It's underrated. Yeah. It keeps everything else out. And it's a circle. Yeah, it keeps everything else out. It's just a circle. Yeah. I like that.

Me too. I'd probably say O2. Not to copy off you, but I go, though. That's pretty cool. It's just... Yeah, lying in a dot above it. Yeah.

Pretty cool. It's all I got, though. That's all I got. That's all you got. That's all I got on the matter. Well, that's this week's episode. We're talking... We're going to end on the note of your favorite value.

What's your favorite concept? a natural. Tea. Damn, really? For testosterone. For testosterone? High tea, low tea. More like tiny.

Tea for tiny. Damn. That's why you like tea. That's not nice. Because it's tiny. That's not nice. It do be tiny, though. No, no.

It do be tiny, and that's why I like tea. No, no. Nope. No, if I ain't trying to hear that. Uh-huh. Yeah, that's why you heard it here first, folks. That's why he likes the tea. If you were on a desert island and you had to join a group with one consonant and one vowel,

what would it be and what would you be? I honestly don't understand any part of that question. If you were on a desert island and you were a letter, what letter would you be in order, in what letters would you join up with in order to succeed more better? I honestly don't understand any part of this question. I don't understand this question's aims nor its basic precepts. if to you just said if you were if you were to be a letter on a desert island and you need to survive it which letters would you join up with is like the kind of thing like a four-year-old would or like not even like a two-year-old would ask not knowing exactly the concept of letters or a desert island

I do know the concept of a desert I said that like somebody that lacks object permanence I do know the concept of a desert island and I know one concept of a desert island and I know one concept is you're going to have to survive on it. And if you're going to survive, what would be the group you would join up with, what other letters would you join up with to make sure that you would, that you would, this is millennial cringe. You would ensure maximum success. If you tell you why this is a millennial cringe, this is an interview question. You would ensure maximum success this way.

So if you were a T, what other letters would you join up with? It's one of those weird questions to ask you at like an interview for like to work at like a tech startup. A kinko. Oh yeah, you're writing a text. Where it's like where it's like how would you get

how would you fit an elephant in a refrigerator or something like that? My question's way better than elephant in an elephant in a refrigerator. I know how I would fit an elephant in a refrigerator. Your question is like marginally worse than that question. Oh, it's way better.

It's way better because It allows you to be imaginative, allows you to be creative. Okay, so you just read this treatise, which is basically saying like, hey, magic has some problems. Uh-huh. And then now you want to get back into magic. Immediately you read this and your takeaway was like... No, it's not magic, it's ecology. It's what letters would be best at surviving in the brutal...

ecosystem of I mean, I think personally, it would be helpful to be an M because you got like three feet. It would be helpful to be an M because you would have three little legs. You can stop down on it. Oh, you mean like the actual...

The actual letter. Like character of the letter. The character of the letter. It might be helpful to be an O, because you can roll on the sand. S, you can slither like a snake. You can slither like a snake. See, you're getting it.

Z, I don't think you'd want to be a Z because you're going to get fucking strung up on probably some vines. You're not going to be able to move very easily because you've got that solid base. You don't want a base. You want to have some feet. I wouldn't be an A.

But you might want an A in your group. You see what I'm saying? Like I just see like a V or like a V's a boomerang Oh V you could throw your friend which is a V This is really I think it's time to go I think it's time to me I think you've cracked a little bit

Are you starting to crack a little bit No I'm perfectly saying This is a man that's not slipping up You could be an F you'd have a tall neck and you can look out on the horizon and see what's coming or T

you see what I'm saying Are these letters sentient? No sentient. Maybe as sentient as... Or do you just you have to take the form of a letter? You have to take the form of the letter, yes.

So I guess you are sentient as this letter which also means you're sexual. So think about that too. Which would... If you were a letter, which way would you... What's my sexual letter? Probably an S because it's got those curves.

Think about which way you would like... I refuse to think. If you were a letter, which way... Which way, if you were a letter that had sex, which letter would you want to be to have sex as? This is millennial cringe in action. Because I would kind of want to be a lowercase T. You get that little, like, lower swoop thing. What are you talking?

There's no, there's no swoop on a lowercase T. Yeah, you know. It's like a cross. Well, it's a cross, but there's like a little hook at the bottom. Well, in certain depictions, but typically there is no hook coming. Well, yeah, I'm certain depictions, but in this... Do you get to pick your depiction? I'd say in every case, the lowercase T has...

Show me where there's... Okay, you're going to say a lowercase T is just a cross? It depends what font you're using. I'd say in every font, it's got a little hook at the bottom. It's not a little cross. Is there something I've been missing? It's not a little cross. There's a little hook at the bottom.

In Times New Roman, there's a hook at the bottom. bottom. In Choms New Ron, I think in every font there's a little hook at the bottom. You find that little hook satisfying on that tee. If I was it, I would, okay, look, look at this little hook. You see what I'm saying? I'm saying corrected. Yeah,

there you're right, there is a little hook on the tee. Although Pencil's Peatleon's Blurned print doesn't have a little hook, so I guess you're right about that. So that's more my conception. However, I say yours does look more official. Mine looks more I went to a pencil peat school, though. Look how sexy that is, dude.

If you were a lowercase T, you would be the cock of the walk. Everybody on the island would want to fuck you if you're a lower case. That is a satisfying, that is a satisfying shake. It's a sexy letter. That's a sexy fucking letter. Wouldn't you want to fuck this letter if you were, like, if you were a P on this island, wouldn't you want to get fucked by this? You know what I would tell you another one I like, that's satisfying that the same way, the W that has the little. strands at the top.

I forgot about the W. You know, you know what I'm talking about the sexy W? The sexy W. Not the little jaguar. I thought that's attractive in its own one. Like this is what you're saying. Kind of like that. Oh no, that's uppercase.

I think of the rounded. Well, as you grow in this world, you get to become an uppercase letter, but you start out. he's done folks he's finally checked out well that's about it for us this week you've been listening to you've been listening to brain rot maybe perhaps liver cirrhosis radio hour um i've been your host terence

i hope you've enjoyed the show I hope you've thought long and hard about what letter you would be if you were on an island and you wanted to have sex with another letter. Next week we'll do numbers. Next week we'll throw numbers in the mix, and that's going to be the basis of my brand new reality show. And so tune in next week, and if you'd like to listen to us on Patreon, on the link is in the show notes we thank you for listening we hope you have a great weekend we'll see you later adios