Trillbilly Worker's Party - Episode 407: Spirit Halloween Party

Episode Date: August 28, 2025

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And people are really not well. I was working this morning. looked out my window, and there was this guy that was carrying a skeleton under the arms. You know how, like, you would carry a person that's passed out? Like, you would grab them under the arms and, like, sort of drag. Like, the fireman's carry. Yeah, like, the fireman's carry. Dragging somebody out of a burning building.

Yeah, and I saw him pass by the house. And so then, like, ten minutes later, I walked out because I was going to go get a coffee. And I turned the corner and he was around the corner and he was like almost trying to bury this plastic skeleton. It's like he was trying to dig a grave for it and bury it. And as soon as he saw me turn the corner, he shot up and in the most like erudite, like normal voice you've ever heard, he was like, good morning, sir. Have you the time of the hour? I was like, man, this is a great piece of performance art. If you think about it bury in a fake scale, I assume.

it's a fake guy. Yeah, that's what I was about to say. Also, too, maybe he was just trying to spread the good words so that you could possibly avoid the fate of his skeleton friend there. Oh, that's true. He could have been trying to help me out. He's probably, yeah, he's trying to protect you from the grotesque saying that he

would say, like, listen, man, we have to return this guy. What if he thought the skeleton was real? He was just doing the service. He was, like, returning it to, from Winston, He probably did. It's like this man's grave has been desecrated. Yeah, like the slice of life scenes I've experienced in the last few weeks. Like I went to a rodeo a few weeks ago, and I don't think I've told this on the show.

We went to a rodeo a few weeks ago. weeks ago. And the announcer was like, unlike other sports, we still put God, country, and family first. And as he said that, these two people rode out on horseback. One was carrying an American flag. The other one was carrying the Christian flag. And the announcer goes, what is the Christian flag? Is it just a cross? It's a white flag with a blue square and a red cross inside of it something like that i think and then um they uh the announcer goes it's a beautiful flag ain't it and the guy and the guy and the guy and the guy next to me i heard him say under his breath he was probably like in his 60s he goes it sure is like in a hank heel kind of cadence

man that's such a dumb thing to say though because it's not the not it sure well that kind it's dubbed two but it's like now i got back going to a lot of professional tennis tournaments last a little bit and in the fuck it the most international game you could think of besides maybe soccer you know or cricket or something it's like they still made everybody stand for the national or asked everybody to stand for the national anthem you know what i mean it's like that's not true like all these people's grievances are manufactured you know it just they just are Or like when they have military jets fly over like a badminton game or something like that, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like, who the fuck watching badminton, you know? It's going to enlisted the forces, brother. You know, in the same way that, you know, I mean, much has been said about the so-called Mandela effect and all this stuff. And I think a hallmark of our time, and maybe all times, because I didn't live in all times. I've just lived this time. is we're just trying to chase something that doesn't really exist, you know what I mean? Yeah. Like, in the same way, we've just manufactured tons of problems that don't really even exist.

Or don't exist at a meaningful level enough to do, to warrant any sort of action, you know? First, well, I don't want to, I don't want to go too far. I feel like we went way too fast over flying fighter jets over a badminton game. Yes, I don't mean it. Which is a great. Let's not run past that. Which was a great bit. is that we did not dwell on long enough, in my opinion.

Bert, birdie, is that what that one game is called where you, like, hit a little, like, or is that what the, it's badminton, but you hit a birdie. Brother, I'm going to go ahead and tell you what that's really called if you're ready to have a little chuckle. What? It's a shuttlecock. Oh, that is a shuttlecock. When did people stop playing badminton and started playing pickleball? Like, we must return to the old ways.

Why do you pronounce a badminton? It's not badminton? Badminton. Badminton. I thought it was bad. Real badminton. Badminton, but it could be badminton, sure. It probably originally was badminton.

Fat, yes, that seems like a very frankfowl. Yeah. It was a French sport. This chatelle cock and the bedminton. Well, I'll tell you, well, I'll tell you one. we shifted from long games to Pickleball is when we quit letting the Blue Angels fly over

our, you know, our badminton contests and Pickleball found the lane then, you know. It's like, well, if they're not going to be patriots, we'll pick up the mantle, yeah. You know, actually, go ahead. No, you go ahead.

No, no, it's not, not really, it's not really, it's not that you're important, but you're just making me think, actually, my partner, I got to meet their dad, and he mentioned he was playing pickleball, which I was naturally, like, what the fuck is that? And just that I came to realize it's just one of those old, retired white people sports, you know?

You'd be surprised, brother. There's a, there's a park down the street from me, and most of the people I see playing it are like 22 years old. Well, it's a phenomenon, and it transcends racing class. However, I will say this. I think pickleball is largely a real estate scam. It has to do. There is. There is some connection there. There's some connective tissue between that and the YIMB movement. Am I wrong?

No, no, no, you're right. You're absolutely right. Just like fast foods, a real estate scam. Just like air travel. Nothing in America is what it seems like it is. Right. What's that? Go ahead, Tom. No, I'm just saying like if we're trying to catch 6 a.m. flight from Lexington to Kalamazoo,

which doesn't exist probably. But anyway, you know, it's what we think we're signing up for transport. What we're really signing up for is a credit card. You know what I mean? Well, I read an article in The New York Times a few weeks ago. It's so funny. I actually had it pulled up just this morning. If you'll pay $800 for a credit card, you're in demand.

Credit card companies and airlines are in a race for customers who spend the most money, and that is making it harder for many other customers to score deals and perks. so they're like trying to close as many loopholes on these you know flyer miles cards as they can um so it's like doesn't even make sense to accrue flyer miles anymore because it's not paying off because they like the airlines have they introduced this idea of the fire miles right and then once people started taking advantage of it they're like oh no we can't do that absolutely not yeah motherfucker's getting it too good yeah exactly Exactly. It's kind of like... I think like many things in American life, just kind of like how everything's a subscription model now.

I try to make us a nation of renters and subscribers. And what it is is it's predicated on the idea we'll just kind of forget about it. Yeah, it says the companies have become increasingly sophisticated about closing loopholes and limiting certain perks. The latest changes that some travel cards include much higher annual fees

and more coupon like been. benefits that points in miles experts say we'll make it harder to easily score big deals or unlock access to business class seats and other premium services we are some we are at some kind of inflection point said clinterson a managing partner at the points guy a website devoted to helping people make the most of course guy it's getting it's getting harder and harder for consumers to win that's true of the credit cards that's true of elite status that's true of loyalty um i i would i just wanted to mention Isn't the whole point with these deals is to not only attract new customers, but maybe retention, the retention rate is not a factor here.

But I would think that that would be considered, you know what I mean? Because don't you want to build brand loyalty instead of just like, you know, sort of handing out these coupons and then snatching them away or not honoring them, you know? It's a classic, like everything else in society, it's a classic friction fire. It's like the desire for new customers runs headlong into the attempt to retain the older ones. Like, that's exactly what's going on with the Cracker Barrel thing. Like, Cracker Barrel caved. And they tried to rebrand. The rebrand was honestly literally just an attempt to get younger customers because younger people aren't eating at fucking

cracker barrel anymore. I'll say this. I've never eaten at a cracker barrel where I also didn't have somebody over the age of 65 with me. Exactly. That is true. You're just you're just a tack on if you're under retirement age and go to a cracker barrel, you know. Yeah. You know who's not eating at cracker barrel, which has been quite some alarm, you know, raised alarms for CEOs as white people. Crackards are not eating at a Cracker Barrow. They're not? They're not eating. I don't know. I'm just making that up. No, what if that I mean? Okay, you think of that strata of restaurant, right? You've got Cracker Barrow,

you've got like Shoney's, Denny's, Waffle House, Huddle House, all those type things. Like, Cracker Barrel is going to be like, if those, let's just call those the big five, Cracker Barrel is going to be the last place that I would go to. And that's only, Like, it would go one Waffle House for me. In fact, me and Terrence said at Woff House this week, yeah. Two, maybe a huddle house, but that's more like a regional thing. Three would be Shoney's probably, then Dany's, then Crackerbrow. So they do have a problem.

You're remember Bob Evans. You're forgetting Bob Evans. Bob Evans, I hop. Why don't these just sound like country singers? Because they're all for white people, Aaron. Well, not Waffle House. Waffle House is not. Waffle House is not.

Waffle house is firmly not for Waffle houses for X cods and hug over people But not like So I was talking about it The other day And I don't I haven't been online

So I don't understand the controversy So what is it Is this also cracker or razor Because they took out the white guy Eating on the cracker barrel Here's what it is Start to finish Soup to Nuts

As the saying goes It was quite literally just an attempt to rebrand because, like, any business, they see the riding on the wall. They have an aging consumer base. They realize they're not getting any new customers through the door. Also a problem that this very podcast has. We're not getting younger customers anymore. No, all the online, our listeners are dying.

As a small business owner myself, I understand this. They're fundamental tension. But Terrence, I'm just saying. I get it. I get where you're going because I feel like, you know, having an old white dude, you know, as the face of your company, as that logo was, that's just, that's just not attractive to young people. They know what is? A craggy white dude. It was also just they were, this gets lost in the conversation about it. But, and I, and I also, by the way, just feel really fucking stupid. Like, this is how stupid America is that like, even if you're a leftist, if you want to talk about theory and history, you have to talk. about it through the lens of this dumb fucking shit like cracker barrel like we're all trapped inside the prison um but like what gets lost in this is that they also tried to redo the interior design of the cracker barrel so that it looks less like one of those old-timey goods stores and was

a little more like an apple store it out well yeah yeah kind of they try to do like a minimalist design and um so they tried to introduce like a minimalist design to the interiors rebranded the logo and in an attempt to, you know, attain longevity to, like, not go down with the ship. And that was perceived as a woke rebrand. And so there was this outrage. The stocks tanked. They took off the white dude.

They took off the white dude. And so when they, they caved, basically they were just saying, like, all right, fine. We're not going to try to get new younger customers. Like ever, like many other. such cases in America. We're just going to ride this one until the wheels fall off. Fuck it. Let's get it.

Put the cracker back in the barrel. It's just barrel then. You know, if you take the cracker away, the restaurant's just barrel. I think, I think what we should do. You've got a cracker and you've got a barrel. You've got cracker barrel. You take the cracker away. The restaurant's just barrel.

I understand why they couldn't do like, why couldn't they take the cracker off and put like an actual like a little cracker, like a saltine. A saltine cracker. On some barrels. That'd be cute. You know what? You know what I think they should do? Kids would love that.

Kids love a little cracker. They love a little cracker. It's a cracker. Like a saltine, you mean? Yeah, like heart attack. Like a saltine. That's what I would do. Here would be my logo.

I put a cracker, a plus sign, and a barrel. And that would be like, I wouldn't even have any signage. That would just be my sign right there. Cracker plus barrel? I think what they should do, you know, all these companies in this. a woke economy, you know, where values and brands are being, you know, thrown at each other to signify some sort of political position, whatever. I think, like, they should just bring celebrities into it, you know.

So I think Josh Brolin, I think Josh Brolin would be a perfect cracker barrel man. I think Viola Davis, they should just say, you know, they should just say, fuck it. Aunt Jemima, the Serp Company. Oh, you know. and just bring Viola Davis on as on your Bible. You're saying lean into it. Lead into it, lead into it, you know. Okay.

Who can't be a good old cracker for the Cracker barrel? What'd you say? Who would be, I think Josh Browland's about 10 years away from like old Cracker status. Who would be like, who would be like the guy right now today? Clint Eastwood, maybe. Clint Eastwood might be too old. He would be talking to the barrel. That's right.

It would be aged Cracker Barrow. That's right. I don't really I mean, again, it's kind of emblematic and metaphorical for everything in American society. Like they decided fuck the future. There is no tomorrow. There's just today. Let's get as much

out of this as we can. We're going to ride this motherfucker into the ground. Like, yeah, we'll just basically again, we'll do an end game where all that matters is our aging customer demographic. And, like, and again, it's really ironic and funny that, like, you can use this to explain a lot of things in American society.

Like, most institutions run on this logic at this point. Not interested in a future Democratic Party, for example. Not interested in building a new constituency or anything like that. Not interested in tomorrow. Let's just fucking cater to the needs and desires of an aging populace. Well, you, I mean, you said it, Terence. I mean, you said, like, it's a classic. friction fire situation. It's like old crackers have been getting money from time in

memorial. That's not new, but they've not been getting money like this for time in memorial, right? And so like we're living in an age that is saw the tech boom where you're getting like, you know, a whole new billionaire class, all these different things coming on. You've got all these new billionaire classes. And when you've got the friction fire, which in our parlance is when your insurance policy rubs up against your mortgage payment and you torture motherfucker, what's happening of these people is that they got all this money and now they're facing the spectre of their own mortality and so instead of like investing in a future what they're doing is in effect saying that there is no future without us it's a kind of solipsistic paranoia it's the same thing that

the same you know phenomenon is like if this plane goes down and crashes then then the world will cease to exist because i cease to exist that's why the same thing that's the same reason why peter till's leading a symposium on the antichrist right now same reason fucking donald trump and all these other people are trying to like reform society to fit like what people their age demographic think is the norm you know that's why they're attacking trans people all this kind of stuff it has to do with these old rich people's fear of death and they don't know how to contend with it yeah it's you know what that's why we're talking about a goddamn stupid fucking restaurant it also you want

talk about real estate schemes disguised as restaurants. I mean, that's the reason they're developing. Like, that's the reason why Cracker Barrel wants to quit being, you know, look like your grandma's porch and wants to look like a box, you know. McDonald's wants to look like a box is because the money's not in the fucking burgers and the fries and the gravy and biscuits and the fucking, you know, arbor clogging fucking shit. The money's in the real estate and the land that they occupy, usually right off the exit. It's rentier.

It's the same principle. behind why the airlines are not airlines anymore their credit card companies it's all rentier activities you know what i mean rent sinking right basically right i just want to i just want to touch on something um y'all both kind of mentioned or just had me thinking about i'm wondering if this sort of uh turn away from liberal identity politics right which i can't say it's really a full turn away because there is like lip service

obviously with these I'm talking about these corporations but do you think that sort of like turning away from it and sort of saying

fuck what young people want is because yeah like no one gives a shit about the future but also they realize that young people can't buy anything can't afford anything

you know and that you might as well just appeal to the segment of the population that still has like wealth and asset yeah that actually can you know i think that's a big part of it i think that explains as an explanatory model that's a a very useful way of understanding both political economy and politics because because it's not just that like you're right tom it's not just the captains of

industry that are saying fuck tomorrow if i go down with the plane the world ends there's also a substantial you know voting demographic voting block group in this country that like also does not give a fuck about tomorrow and what's coming next

and I don't I don't like it's hard to know how much of the outrage or the cracker and I don't even care I just find it an interesting data point I'm gonna be honest with you I don't know if I've ever eaten in a cracker barrel

maybe 20 years ago you're right Tom I was probably with my grandma or something like I don't I've never been but like I think the point is is that like they see the old world dying and you know instead of trying to like reconfigure it to perhaps pass on to their you know successors they just want to detonate the whole thing and like I think that this impulse or you could even call it an imperative it may not even be an impulse it's more probably an imperative at this point a prerogative like it's

rampant like I want to read this article to you guys in the New York Times the Democratic Party faces a voter registration crisis the Democratic Party is hemorrhaging voters long before they even go to the polls of the 30 states

that track voter registration by political party before they're even born I would say yeah before they're even conceived of the 30 states track voter registration by political party, Democrats lost ground to Republicans in every single one between the 2020 and 2024 elections, and often by a lot. That four-year swing toward the Republicans adds up to 4.5 million voters, a deep political hole that could take years for Democrats to

climb out from. The stampede away from the Democratic Party is occurring in battleground states, the blue estates and the right estates, too. Few measures, few measurements reflect the luster of a political party's brand more clearly than the choice by voters to blah blah blah blah for the first time since 2018 more new voters nationwide chose to be republicans than democrats last year um all told democrats lost about 2.1 million registered voters between the 2020 and 2024 elections in the 30 states along with dc um they're fucking listen to this quote from this guy michael pruser who tracks voter registration closely as the Director of Data Science for Decision Desk, HQ.

I don't want to say it's the death of the, it's the death cycle of the Democratic Party, but there seems to be no end to this. There's no silver lining or cavalry coming across the hill. This is month after month, year after year. They're fucking poked, man. When you say, when you say that I don't see something continuing, I think that pretty much defies that cycle.

What do we, what do we, what, what does this look like, fellas? what replaces the Democratic Party. Do you have a replacement for the Democratic Party? Is it going to be some new centrist party? You know, the Dem's just going to fold with the Republicans? Like, what are we looking at here? You want me to tell you the truth? You want me to lie to you.

I think the truth is that they're... Whatever goes down easier. I think the truth is they're not going anywhere. I genuinely think if it's like everything else in American citizens, society we're going to ride it till the wills fucking fall off to the motherfucking wills are just you know what I mean in the goddamn field we're just riding on bricks like there's nothing so do you think do you think that they'll essentially serve the role of the spirit Halloween where they just pop up like every two to four years every time there's

like a consequential election that's such a good comparison there that's also very remain to what we're talking about too where we kicked all this off. Man, all this is just dofftelling perfectly. They are the spirit Halloween party. They really are. It's like you're in both form and substance.

It's like they are just a cynical cash grab that has the spirit and aesthetics of the thing itself, but there's nothing actually inside

that would... Yeah, these motherfuckers don't believe at Halloween. They don't really believe that. They're not about the Halloween life. Like, yo,

we can make some easy money on a bunch of stupid motherfuckers on some cheap-ass costumes, bro. Here's what I think is probably going to happen.

I think it kind of ties into the Israel thing and all this stuff. I think they may, I think there's a... I'm not going to hold my breath for it because this guy seems to be,

you know, like Donald Trump-esque in his ability to dip dock and dodge out to things. But I think there's going to be an attempt to send Netanyahu to Valhalla with Saddam Hussein and all these people. Because I think like a lot of people are sort of coming into a consciousness about like what's happening in Gaza and like, oh, this is sort of bad for the underlying. I thought they were going to try to white knuckle it for a while, but now I'm convinced that they're, they're made. Maybe an attempt because I see more Democrats coming around to the line of like, this is Netanyahu's government. This is Netanyahu's government. I've even seen like Zionist saying that, right?

Like Zionist professors being like, we've never seen a government in Israel like this. And it's like, uh, you know. And what that's going to do is by Israel as a project to stay of execution. But they're going to have to sacrifice Netanyahu to the gods. And I think it's just going to be a question of, is he going to be a Putin-like figure? You know how Putin was like a, you know, so entrenched with KG. be that he was able just to consolidate power and just stay in as long as he wants to? Or is he going to be more of a Saddam Hussein figure where like, yeah, okay, he's like, yeah, he's sort of fucking up the game a little too much and we're going to have to yank him,

you know. I think that's going to be the Democratic Party line as sort of a to try to appease people like us. And I think it's going to be a pretty pernicious trick that we have to keep our foot on the gas about, you know what I mean? because all it's going to happen is like they're still going to do what they're doing. Maybe it's more gentler, maybe more kinder, maybe not as whatever.

But then it's just going to set the tone for the same thing we see here. In 12 years, there's going to be somebody that's like, you know, Net and Yahoo on fucking Zins and testosterone. You know what I mean? Right, right, right. Did you guys read on that note, did you all read that Chotner, Isaac Chotner interview in the New Yorker with Jacob Blue,

who was Biden's ambassador to Israel? Dude, I... Was he of, like, the three guys that were basically making decisions for him, like, Darren is waning you? Yeah, him and Dirk McGirk and... Hoke or something like that? Yeah.

Blinking, obviously. That really was an insane interview. People were passing around the part where he basically says, like, look, we know Israel killed a lot of children, but those children were children of Hamas members. And Chotner is like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. What did you just say?

He's like, those were children of Hamas. Like, they were often with them in command centers. And Chotner's like, you realize it's an international war crime no matter who the child is, right? Like, it doesn't matter who the child belongs to. You can't even kill Damien from the Oman in warfare. I mean, by the strictest... You can't even kill.

kill baby Hitler. I mean, I just, I just, I just, I just really like how these guys, um, and their ilk, you know, they spend their parents' money to go to, and use their parents' connections, to go to school, to learn about this, all of these, the summation of decades of diplomacy and international law, post-war War II, but then when they're actually not even pressed, but they're just allowed to share what they actually be. believe in without any pushback, you just see that it pretty much, it's distilled into like the, the school, the school yard sort of, um, um, you know, uh, uh, just explanations. You know what I

mean? You know, of just people that you think would just know better, you know? Like, oh, well, these are just the children of the evil people that were fighting, so they have to die, too, you know? Yeah. It just shows you that these people absolutely, absolutely don't believe in anything and any of their talk of diplomacy and the liberal international order is just window dressing so they could just slaughter as many people as possible i i think you're right like if there is one thing they do believe in it's that the the forces and powers of islam are like a civilization destroying force which by the way militant islam only took hold because of the fall of the Soviet Union

and our attempts to undermine the Soviet Union. So, like, militant Islam is just the inverted form of what used to be. Our chickens coming home to roost for the Cold War. Yeah, pretty much, right. And so it's like they've created their own enemies and gotten really scared of those enemies and used it as an excuse to turn the entire fucking world

into a glass factory, basically. But, like, I think what is also interesting, and, again, they were, a lot of people were passing around that segment where he's talking about like, oh, look, it's okay to kill children as long as they're Hamas, which by the way, will soon be the M.O. of pretty much all Western governments if this is allowed to go on for 10, 20 more years, like that'll be the new international law framework. It's just like everyone is Hamas. Unless you like, you know, pledge fealty to Israel, you're going to be Hamas and therefore you are going to be just, you know, play.

placed into the category of expendable and liquidated, essentially. It's going to be war and terror and steroids, yeah. And if you think about it in a country that lets kids get massured at schools like changing underwear, like it makes sense. It is like

I hate to echo back to Mollick in the Bible, but it is like that, you know what I mean? It's like, of course that would be our state policy. As long as they're the wrong kind of child, it's fine to kill them because like, well, hell look, even good kids get killed here. So it's Like, why wouldn't we kill the bad ones, you know?

Right. Yeah, I remember having an argument with my uncle after the 2012 election, and I cut them off after this and we don't speak anymore, really. I haven't spoken in 13 years. Except in very tense and, you know, terse handshakes during holidays. But, like... He still hate listens to the podcast, though. I highly doubt.

That's going to be me in rerun, but it's going to be me saying something bad about Todd Rundgren. Hey, that's impossible, brother. I love Todd Rutherland. I remember after the 2012 election, basically, him saying, like, you know, it was okay to, like, cut kids off of, you know, Medicaid and food stamps and all this stuff. And it's just like, and I, like, really struggled with this. like not only the fact that this was a family member but also just like someone could believe this right that like it would be okay to punish children for it would be okay to like target children in this way right assign them to premature death and misery and pain and despair um but like

that's uh i don't know like that's kind of what we're talking about here right like that that impulse is also very much a part of American society as well. Like we do, especially within the Republican Party, it's why they are so obsessed with pedophiles as an explanatory model of U.S. politics. It's because it's a projection out of an insecurity. The insecurity is that they themselves fucking hate children.

You know what I'm saying? It also explains why they're so gung-ho about anti-abortion. It's because, like, all their policies are, they target children, and it's why they're also now coming around pro child laborer well also if you think about it that dove tells nicely with the idea of like they're just being afraid of their like impending mortality yeah you know what I mean it is an assault

on youth in a way you know what I mean it is like it is the the hate of youth and the jealousy of that of being able-bodied and and having a whole world ahead of you and like these guys have conquered worlds and made these fortunes and yet they're going to die just rickety old men like everybody else. It's because it's turned to ashes in their mouth. It's like what have they actually achieved? What have they won? Global dominance? But like what comes from that?

Like there's no existential or spiritual satisfaction that comes from it. That's for fucking sure. It's like Alexander the Great when he was 27, which in the old world was old. And he just cried because there were no more worlds to conquer.

Or like all those astronauts that went to the moon and became alcoholics when they came back Because what are you do after that? You know what? That's actually, I was thinking of the, the fascist 14 words, you know. You know, we must secure our future for our white children and the rest of it. And I was thinking, man, how, like, just how bullshit that really is. Yeah.

Because it presupposes that these people actually believe in a future, you know. And the present worth protecting, worth. preserving so that we can create that future, they can create that future, but they don't, they hate life. So they don't believe, they don't leave them present. They don't believe in the fucking future. You know, they would kill their own children if they fucking could, if that, if that would allow them to re-reason with their omnisital death drive.

This is the point of gravity's rainbow, by the way. It's that fascism, this is the irony of a thousand-year rike. Fascism was a libidinal death drive. it was a it was like a fully visceral libidinal death drive like desire and eroticization of death like that is why you're right that's why it's bullshit there is no like future in homeland it's like they crave it here and now not only because it's not only because they know the full implications of what it would mean to get a thousand you're right but because it has a tinnating political resonance that people really want and crave and And, I mean, I don't know. I know we've gotten a little far afield here, but, like, perhaps that's maybe one explanation of why there was another school shooting yesterday. I mean, by the way, I don't even know this.

Did you know that was the 146th school shooting this year? Dune. So far. K through 12, 146. I would have put it at three. You know, that's how commonplace this shit's become. Well, yeah, you're right. Commonplace and not even covered in the media.

it anymore because we've just normalized it I was just about to say that dude like I've heard this before like you know I don't know what year but um I've heard it before it'll be like you know the middle of the year and this is the you know hundredth or whatever if school shooting this year and you're right Terrence they're so it's such the ambient background noise of violence in this society that it's just under reported you know so of course it just kind of blows your fucking mind when you realize that oh i haven't even heard about this shit you know did you know well i mean look at this someone posted um it's a website or it's a twitter page k through 12 school shooting database um and it has a you know it has the number of school shootings by year

and so obviously you know you go back to 1966 and there was nine in the year 1960s and that number slowly goes up. But then it explodes in 2018. There's 60 school shootings, K through 12 school shootings in the year 2017. In the year 2018, there's 119. And then it fucking skyrockets after 2020, after the pandemic. In 2021, 257, 22, 308, 2023, 350.

I mean, like, we're already on track to basically get pretty close to that again this year um but i i don't know it's just like what is behind that like i mean obviously it's something we've sort of talked touched on before like i don't know if y'all saw the stuff about this shooter like about his you know nazi symbolism that he was using and then you know putting uh various messages and stuff on his uh ammunition clips and all this so wait with this I just wanted to point out too, maybe we could dive into this or pick this apart, but it just seems like every school shooting or every mass shooter, each side of the political aisle tries to affix characteristics or qualities that they associate negatively with the other side. So you see this with identity, you know, where the shooter is suddenly. trans, right? Or, you know, the shooter for also for the Republicans, the shooter has

fuck Donald Trump, you know. Then we have that, you know, actually the shooter was a lifelong Republican or registered as a Republican and voted Republican. And, you know, it just goes back and forth where I just think, I guess my point is that, I mean, yes, mass shooters are definitely psychopathic and just definitely, you know, schizophrenic, whatever. But I don't I mean, schizophrenic in terms of just holding opposing viewpoints at the same time in their head, right? But so is everyone else, right? You know what I mean? Like, it seems like everyone tries to find out this manifesto with what would, what do they actually believe in?

You just find out it's all over the place like most fucking people, you know? Yeah, I don't think it really matters, like, at the end of the day, because I think it's an emergent effect, an emergent phenomenon of a society that has deemed the public sector. essentially expendable and anybody that works in it anybody that has to engage in it and learn from it or whatever that is expendable I think it's just it's a

it's very telling that after 2020 really after the 1970s was when it starts to tick up but yeah what happens in the 1970s you get the neoliberal assault on the public sector and then obviously in the 1990s you just get the flooding of the American society with guns

which is really I mean, it's literally just a profit-seeking endeavor, right? It's just a private-seeking practice. Like, they just wanted to sell a lot of fucking guns. So they just forced... Right. The Cold War is over. We can't sell any guns to any of our proxies anymore.

Right. The war with the Soviets. We just sell back to our society. So we have to do it to civilians now. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. It's like, America is always going to sell guns and drugs. It just depends on which application and what markets, you know?

Right. Right. Yeah. Right. Right. Right. And I think that, like, it's like trying to, you're right, Erin, like, trying to, like, parse through, like, what are his, what are the shooters, like, individual beliefs? Can we make a through line? It doesn't really matter because, like I said, if you're targeting school children, I mean, you could call that sociopathic, and it is, obviously, but it is also a platform of the Republican Party. Like, they're the ones that want to, you know, do vouchers and charter schools. They want to destroy public schools. And so, what? What's a very useful way of doing that?

Well, just murdering everybody at public schools. I don't know if they're... That is such a good point, man, that I've never even put together, is that, like, what could be behind this is, like, a literal assault on public education. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, oh, you said it... And, again, dovetails with what they're saying about cities, too.

You know what I mean? Like, oh, these are crime-ridden war zones. You know what I mean? Like... And I'm not saying necessarily there's... some sort of parapolitical thing where like school shooters are sent in by the intelligence community or anything like that it could just be society can just sort of the way that the conditions we've created sort of push people to that or push kids to that

and so at a time when their fucking brains are developing all this kind of stuff and we're already awash in guns anyway it's like you know I think that is that's that's a that's a really good point well it's perfectly it's perfect vertical integration and it's kind of something we've talked about on the show often, but just the idea that, you know, after these social institutions and communities are hollowed out, right, through the process of neoliberalism, right, and austerity, right? Once these neoliberalism ends up creating the problems that it ostensibly sought out to solve, right? What you have to do is that it gets into crunch mode, right? Where you just liquidate people, you know?

You just essentially speed up the final solution, right? Well, one thing, okay, I spend a lot of time reading newspapers through microfilm of the 1990s, right? As part as this long term... You, the motherfucker is sitting there at the library. This man loves microfilm. That's microfilm poppy, I'm right. Spent a lot of time at the microfilm booth, okay?

Looking up the Amityville horror type of shit? There's not a man alive That gets more bang for his buck Out of his library tax dollars Than this man As part of this long-term research project I've been working on I read a lot of newspapers from the 80s, 90s

In 2000s All right And something that has just blown my mind In the last few weeks That's something I never really noticed before But that I started to pick up on Maybe perhaps due to recent Or current public political affairs

something that's really wild to me is the amount of times the word reform is used in the 90s obviously those reforms were neoliberal right it was welfare reform education reform health care reform everything was a problem that needed to be fixed through reform it wasn't obvious to most Americans that the reform was neoliberal right

it's just that it needed to be reformed because we had run up against the hard limitations of what was possible under an economy that was devoted to putting the interest of business and profits first, right? It's like they had already started implementing measures like tax abatements and tax breaks for businesses, right? Like, and attacking the public sector and all this. But if you look at the narrative arc of it, it's interesting that the American public was aware that there was a society in need. of a reform

whereas today no American would say anything like that we don't talk about reform anymore even of a cynical neoliberal kind that's not something that's on the docket bro even even well I guess 2016 was that almost 10 years ago but

I think even in 2020 the app the language of reforming Wall Street right or at least the question of whether billionaires should exist and how can we reform like the tax code, you know what I mean, so we're just not giving these motherfuckers money. Like, that language has been completely lost. Same thing with health care,

you know. Same thing with reforming health care. Same thing with education. Like, the Democrats were just, you know, they've always touted themselves as the party or perform. There's just no mention of that at all anymore, you know? Yeah. In fact, it's the opposite if you think about it. Yeah. They don't even acknowledge that society needs any sort of improvement. You know what I mean? I would go so far as to say they don't even acknowledge there is a society. That's kind of what I'm getting at. It's kind of like I don't want them to even talk about reforms at this point because I know they're going to be bad. That's what abundance in Yimbism is.

But like I don't even want them to talk about that anymore because it would be bad. They don't even talk about that they're being a society to reform anymore. And so I guess my point is that when you talk about school shootings, a part of it probably is parapolitical in the sense that like there are intelligence agents pushing some kids in this direction. Oh, I'm sure of that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But I just admit, I just meant there's not, I don't think there's like a CIA like a person that's like, you know, doing the Steve Bishimi. But maybe, I don't know. No, no, no, I agree. I agree with what you were saying a second ago. But I'm saying that like I think the large

majority of them are just people propelled in this natural direction because that are, that is the underlying. ideological premise of what it means to live in America. It's like if you are living in a political environment that degrades teachers and degrades students in the public

education sector, it's going, and then you flood the zone with weapons, easily accessible weapons for people that are alienated and mentally ill, they're going to naturally go in these directions. And I think that like we don't really have a way of

articulating or talking about this, but you see it all the time. And this, I'm trying to trying to tie this back around to a tab we opened like 20 minutes ago but like Tom you were talking about like will the American state abandoned Netanyahu and like something that's interesting from that Chottner interview is that Chottner keeps pressing this guy like were you guys enabling Netanyahu like do you see your work as enabling him and you can kind of see how this guy can't really pars out the difference

of basically like enabling Netanyahu's policy which they wanted to do which he says it in the interview like it was a part of Biden's policy to enable Netanyahu's policy to win the war and at the same time

not try to prop up his very feeble Netanyahu's very feeble coalition. Does that make sense? And so it brought them to this point where they could only ever facilitate genocide. Does that make sense? It's like they didn't want to go too hard

on the path of trying to pressure him because that would make his coalition topple which would embolden Hamas because then there wouldn't be a united Israeli United States front but at the same time they didn't want to fully try to limit his abilities to do anything either

That's just so sick Just letting a genocide Continue to preserve Like Just a feeble coalition In the first place Yeah It's just so cynical

Man Well that Chottner points that out He's like Do you realize that like Because this guy keeps Admitting multiple times We tried to prevent starvation And Chottner at one point

Just flat out says The fact that it's a problem Doesn't that tell you something about maybe who is doing the starvation? Like, doesn't that tell you anything? And you can tell, like, it doesn't even occur to him like that. Going back to what you were saying a second ago. That is, that's true, too.

It's like, we just presuppose that brown or black or whatever, I mean, whatever market is, is, should be poor and impoverished and need access to somebody else's aid. Like, you know what I mean? That these, like, a lot of these societies are not self-functioning, self-governed without any sort of input from the, Anglosphere or the West or whatever. You know what I mean? Like we just

assume Palestinians are poor because it's something to do with the race or whatever and not that they've been putting an open-air prison and their calories restricted and all these ways they've been subjugated for decades and decades and decades. And that there's a power imbalance that Israel has the ability to limit their

Palestinians' calories, but Palestinians don't have a way to limit Israelis. You know what I'm saying? And like you can tell it doesn't even occur to this guy. And so I'm trying to like what I'm trying to say here is that like whether it's what you're saying, Aaron, where these people go to college and they learn these things and they don't even know why they learn them or it's school shooters who act out in this way. Like I think a lot of Americans, they operate

on these ideological premises without even knowing why they do it. Same thing of the guy at the rodeo who's like, it's a beautiful flag. It's like no one has any fucking clue why they're doing any of this primarily because we are kind of, I know we've pointed this out many times before, But when you're in an end stage, when the characters and forces and institutions in motion are in a kind of terminal crisis, everyone is just playing a kind of part. No one has the ability to kind of step outside of it and say, like, what is going on here? You know what I'm saying? So it's like everybody's acting on these sort of impulses without even really knowing why. And I kind of think that this is also probably why they're now trying to take over municipalities, the federal government.

Like I know it's because they're evil and they hate communities of color. and they don't want local autonomy. But also at the same time, I think they are naturally propelled in this direction because what other fucking direction would they be propelled in? You know what it is? I'm going to give you a visual metaphor. It's like this disgusting scabby rat, you know?

Yeah. That has his tail cut off and the tail is still moving on the ground, you know? Because just muscle memory. It's the only thing the tail knows how to do, you know? Well, dude, you want a perfect illustration. of that that Richie Torres on Adam Friedland

Like you I mean you know what I'm saying Like just the fucking abyss The void behind that guy's eyes I think I think I think even I think even the fact that he Decided to go on that show illustrates that they really Don't give a fuck about their own constituents

That they're really out of touch Not that I'm saying his constituents listen to the Adam Friedland show But you do think that he would be pretty aware and told by his aides that they're going to rib you and make fun of you and paint you as a psychopath, you know? And the fact that like either they didn't do that or either he was just like, no, no, no, I'm going to sit. I'm going to sit here and seem like I'm completely rational and not realize that you come across as like a bloodthirsty lunatic, you know? Good job, Richie. I think he came across good on that. I mean, that's just

That's just how far out of touch, if we want to go back to talking about the Democratic Party and, like, you know, what their prospects are for the future or where they are now, I think that's a perfect illustration of it. They have no idea what the fuck people want. They don't give a fuck what you want. Dude, you know? They sent that guy in Michigan. I mean, like, they sent that guy to just, I mean, abyss behind his eyes. Like, black fucking abyss behind his eyes. Like, yeah, like goddamn shark's eyes.

listen if anyone if anyone can bring Adam Friedland to what sounded like near tears you know through his just complete callous nature it would be Richie Torres yeah they ask you you could tell like it's like yeah it kind of

yeah that was well I think it's weird there's the of course there's a meta discourse around this because there's a meta discourse around everything but right it's it's kind of fallen on this axis of like why center Jewish feelings and

whatnot and I mean it's to me it's like if there's any function of this any utility of it it's like just kind of showing what it looks like when humanity when when having an actual soul and a heart comes up and brushes against like a demon you know what I'm saying it's so crazy it is genuinely an insane um artifact like document that shows like what happens when like when when having a soul comes up and brushes up against like not having one nothing it's crazy like i had bad vibes dude like watching it last night dude it it fucks with me it was bad vibes well he said didn't he say he almost didn't put it out because it was like like you know usually it seems like he can like you know have the piss with like anybody on the show because how it sets up and like his

kind of character is like this you know brus kind of got you know what i mean but like like to even for him to say, like, I didn't even know if we could put this out because of just like, oh, he didn't say this, but it just feels like the evil behind that guy, you know. The evil emanating. I mean, also, to your point, Terrence, I saw some well-meaning people and, you know, allies of Palestine, you know, saying that why are you platforming a Zionist? And I'm like, dude, it's like the same thing when people would be like platforming Donald Trump. You can't platform the person.

president of the United States. He already has a platform. You can't platform Richie Torres, you know, the Democrats give him a platform all the time, right, to destroy their, to continue destroying their brand. Yeah. And also, I do think, to your point, I do think that, I mean, you know, is anyone going to have their mind changed? Maybe not, but it might backfire for Richie Torres in a way he didn't expect. I mean, at the very least, I think it's just helpful for people to see his dead-eyed fucking, you know, responses. It shows...

It's helpful for people to see that. It shows what Zionism is, which is an ideology. It's not an identity. It's not some ancient claim on land or anything. It is just an ideology born

from racism. And the fact that Richie Torres is neither ethnically Jewish or... And is black. Is this a black American? You know what I mean? Has zero ties to Judaism or Israel or anything. It just goes to show you that, like, what Zionism is, right?

Like, I think that that's a useful... Ask him, ask him why he don't go to Beth any countries in Africa. The way he goes to Beth, Israel. I'm like that. You know what I mean? Like, get the fuck out of here, dude. Yeah. Oh, my God.

You know, Yeah, well, I mean, on that note, there was a few other things I wanted to cover, but, like, you know, it's just part of my Doomer package. Like, I had my Doomer package, like, all prepared and ready to, like, go this week. But, like, there were a few other things I wanted to include in there, like, Trump firing the Fed governor, Lisa Cook, and the CDC chief, Susan Monarez. Like, I think that they're very likely going to come out soon and saying that COVID, or that all vaccines cause autism and that COVID-19 vaccine is bad and all this. So, like, and then I, and I had that on there with the DC takeover and their, you know, executive order establishing a domestic civil disturbance, quick reaction force, which I don't know if I saw that, but like, you know. That's a lot of words for Jack Booted Thugs. Yeah.

Yeah. like the fuck yeah um but you know like again part of my and then also something i i a very kind of quirky thing i wanted to talk about also but i don't think we have time to get to it was the government buying 10% stock in intel and them saying they're going to do more of that soon so like i we've got several interesting indicators that like the uh operative logic of neoliberal is perhaps starting to falter a little bit. Start to crack a bit. Tariffs, the government buying shares in...

As of last night, the tariffs are in place, right? Yeah, well, they've been in place for a while. Like, if you buy any, like, clothing or something from overseas, like, as of midnight last night, you got to pay the... Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. So for anybody waiting, you know, to purchase that item, you know, before you're overseas before your check hit on midnight now you gotta pay more for it now i got it in

at 1159 by now 1150 for the tariff's it it's an interesting thing i remember in 2012 the argentinian president um christina kurchner they they re-nationalized the um i forget the name of that oil and gas industry there in argentina but like the entire media just filling its diaper for months, just freaking the fuck out. Heroism. Yeah, right. And it's, I mean, and now it's,

I mean, the United States government is buying government shares in these companies. Like, they're nationalizing parts of these companies. Sending shock troops to every marriage or American city, putting up tariffs and deportating, deporting as many as possible. Like, it's neoliberalism

still, but it is a distinctly in stage with national socialist characteristics yeah it's palms against the window screaming you know from inside the house type of neoliberalist yeah I mean it's interesting that like

an effect of this and I don't want to get too far into it but effective it is that the they keep sending these various agencies and troops to cities and they wind up all helping each other like when they sent the National Guard to L.A., they were helping ICE round people up. And now in D.C., they've got D.C. cops, National Guardsmen, FBI, and what is this called? The State Department's diplomatic security service, all working together. I don't even know that was a fucking thing. Yeah. So I... They just want to, they just want to coalesce every single law enforcement agency into one big.

you know, not-to-fight, you know, police force is what they want. Yeah. Well, that's, I mean, that's how they do these things. I've noticed, like, I mean, maybe not super related, but not unrelated either. It's the same way that, like, when the friends of coal lobby came to Easter Kentucky, and, like, when I was growing up in the 90s, like, you know, if a coal miner got off work and went into the double quick to get, you know, pizza roll or something, they would, like, make them, like, shower and stuff

because they were coming with the coal dust and stuff. And now they, like, worship that. Yeah. You know what I mean? And so, and what happened to was like, instead of, like, when I was a kid, it was like a dirty word to be a strip miner. You were a scab. You were considered, like, you know, you were like going to put us all out of a job.

And then at a certain point, that all just kind of got piled in together around this, like, rallying cry. And that's what you said, like, in law enforcement now in a way, you know, it's like, before long, we're going to see the damn game wardens and stuff. We're going to be fashy as hell. Anything that, like, has the ability to order people around, find them, you know, hit them with various fees because it's all rent-seeking, you know what I'm saying? Possibly maimed them or injure them. Possibly maimed them or injure them.

Yeah. It's just like you can't deny at this point that every single policy is geared towards mass death. I mean, if they're talking about, like, ending vaccination. for example. Like, it's just straight up. Like, let's kill as many people as we can, which, again, is incoherent because you cannot have a growing rate of profit

if you've killed most of your workforce. You know what I mean? Like, labor creates the profits, so you can't kill the labor force or else you're going to take a hit. Right, right. Meanwhile, you're limiting immigration, you know. Right.

Well, I don't know. Anyways, like I said, I had to include my little doomer package there. But, like, there's an article I wanted to read real fast. I mentioned it on the Patreon on Monday. We didn't get to it. But this was in the Washington Post. As we're talking about, like, Democrats being, for lack of a better word, fucked, cooked. As useless as a.

freshly nutted in Kleenex. Tits on a boar hog. I thought this was an interesting article. It's in the Washington Post opinion section from Ramesh Panuru. How Zoran Mamdani is teaching Democrats to lose.

I would think that the Democrats, just every election, that they have a perfect teacher in that lesson. you know but okay well it gets in the guy who won an election though okay it gets into what they kind of mentioned in that New York Times article I was reading from earlier about how like they're not registering voters anymore like they can't even come to a consensus on what happened in the

2024 election precisely because it is Gaza that's that's it like that's they sent a dead-eyed psychopath to Michigan to round up voters did you see that I don't know I don't know what what it was bro but you see that piece that said something like um for 2028 um it looks like gaza is going to be a deciding factor or a problem for democrats yeah i mean my point to bring that no shit exactly exactly tom my point to bring that up is the whole media intelligentsia even these motherfuckers are still lost on it you know what i i saw i saw like the dnc met over like last weekend and And they passed some resolution to start a task force to study the issue of Gaza. Bro, it's always started task force.

It's always like starting opening up some news sort of like, I don't even fucking over it. I mean, by the admission of if I take, I feel like you could try the Biden administration several key figures. Biden, Blinken, Jacob Blue, Dirk, all these people. you could try them just on that Isaac Chottner interview alone. They basically explicitly admit that they knew that 50,000 people had already been massacred in Gaza by like, you know, mid-20204. I mean, they aided and abetted war crimes. Anyways, I'm getting off the basis, but it's like I could, it doesn't take a fucking, you know, PhD in political science to see that a lot of people don't want to be associated. with that. Nobody wants to be associated with war crimes.

I think at the very least, it takes a beating heart, you know, perhaps a pulse, you know, to realize that nobody wants to be associated with that shit. So, okay, in this article, the closer Zer Ron Mundani has come to winning the New York mayor's race. The more people have been asking the question Aaron Blake poses in an article for CNN, how much of a liability could he be for Democrats? Republicans want to use him to generally label

Democrats as left-wing extremists. The campaign arm of the House Republicans has called him, quote, the new face of the Democrat Party. President Trump prefers to describe him as a 100% communist lunatic. Some Democratic officials often... Wait, can I

just say, I love that Trump is just calling everyone communist lunatics. So he has to qualify. he has to get licensed and put the qualifier 100%. It's like the boy, the boy he cried love.

Some Democratic officials off the record fear that Mahm Dani hands the Republicans' ammunition against their party. Prominent elected leaders in his state are still reluctant to endorse his campaign. Other Democrats, mostly on the left end of the party think he gives the party a need to jolt of enthusiasm.

Bernie Sanders says Mamdani's campaign really shows the direction in which the Democratic Party should be moving. By the way, did you all see the Minnesota Democratic Party unendorsed? Was it Omar, Fata, the guy that was going to, that's running for mayor, I think, in Minneapolis? Yeah. No, no. Is that the guy that they've also tried to label as a terrorist?

Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. He's popular, so they can't, the party of popularism can't endorse the popular. The guy who won, yeah. It's like, so they can just pick who the fuck they want to run now. Right. A precedent basically established in the 2024 election, which is why I don't think they're going to die anytime soon.

It will be a long, slow death rattle. Like, we'll have them for 30 or 40 more years, and dead enders will basically say, like, what, you must not care about anyone because you don't vote for Democrats. And they'll just be a slow death rattle. To break this, brother, you don't either. what they're going to do what they're going to do man is that they're going to continue to be this milk toast do party that colludes with the republicans but what they'll do is that after each state of the union where the republican president you know pulls out like a ledger and tells you exactly how many babies are going to die and it's going to be the democrat who gives the lukewarm response like the clapback

response they're going to put up that guy or gal for the next like 20 or 30 years they're going to lose every single fucking time. We've actually formed a task force that showed us a path to actually cutting infanticide by more than 0.6% over the next 20 years. So like, vote for us. Yeah, as of the- Do you think killing babies are bad? We do too, but we won't do anything about it.

As of this recording, August 28th, Kamala is in first place for primary candidates for 2028, but Newsom's gaining ground on her. Oh, good. This debate ignores what might be the biggest danger that Mamdani poses to the Democratic Party. That danger is not that his performance as mayor, assuming his polling lead holds, will turn off swing voters nationally, although it may. It's that he will excite Democratic activists in all the wrong ways. His example will encourage them to do what a lot of them already want to do. Get louder and lefter.

It's like, I, isn't the problem, you guys have a lack of enthusiasm, you would think that they would want people to get louder and more after? No, no, but not the right people, though, Terrence. Not the wrong people. He's exciting the wrong people in the party. Committed partisans are always tempted to find evidence, however dubious, that being more hardline is the path to political victory. It happens to people of all political descriptions.

In recent years, though, Democrats have been especially prone to political misjudgments of this kind. Like, have they? What did you talk? I would say that the party that is fucking clean their clock, right? The party that has become more ideological, right? God, dude. Sanders, this, but examples don't make any sense.

Sanders' strong primary challenge to Hillary Clinton in 2016, for example, was taken as a sign that Democratic socialism had a bright political future, when it was really a sign that she was an unappealing candidate. his strong performance with white working class voters in that contest evaporated the next time he ran when he was no longer a protest vote against Clinton and is that true or is it just that like Sanders yeah against Hillary Clinton in 2016 and 2020 I don't know if that's I don't know if that's the reason why people weren't as enthusiastic about him in 2020 If I had to guess, it was probably because people saw the lengths they went to to rat fuck him in 2016.

So very intelligently and smartly, they were like, unlike me, who's a dumbass and was like, oh, we can still do something here. They just were just like, no, I'm not going to fucking try to do anything there. It's just sit it out. Like, it seems like that's probably the case. Also to saying, pitting democratic socialism becoming, like having a bright future. versus against Hillary being an unpopular politician. I don't think it's either or. I think it could just be both, you know?

It could be, yeah, you're right. It doesn't have to be either or. I mean, even if it is that, also it begs the question, though, of, like, why was Hillary the candidate? Right? It's like, that kind of also raises some questions about the process here. Committed partisan...

Wait, wait, wait. In 2018, the spotlight turned to AOC and a few other. left-wingers who won congressional seats. Never mind that the Democrats in swing districts who gave their party a House majority in that election were almost all much more moderate. By the middle of the next year, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi had to remind the world that AOC, like she herself, came from a solidly Democratic district. A glass of water would win with a D next to its name, she said. Misunderstandings on the left persisted and set the fuse for disaster in 2024. During the Democratic primaries of 2020, VP Kamala Harris felt

compelled to take several progressive positions that were politically poisonous. Most memorably support for taxpayer funding of transgender surgeries for prisoners. She never, yo, she never did. Like, what? Also, she never did that. Like, she never, I don't understand. I don't mean to, like, you know, just be the dead horsemen. But I just don't understand all these progressive positions that they claim that she brought up, brought up.

And they use this as a reason to blame the left, you know. But she didn't have any of these positions. I'm so confused. She was fucking campaigning with Les Cheney. Her politically poisonous position was supporting the genocide. Or at the very least, saying she wasn't going to do anything to change Biden's position on it. Like, it's, I don't remember the transgender surgery thing being even a thing that anyone talked about for more than the day. I remember that big strictly a weird right-wing, like, semi-conspiratorial talking point.

Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, I think that was like boomer Facebook fodder. I don't remember that being like the thing, the linchpin of the thing. Dude, I just, I just literally remember ads in between episodes of Star Trek on Pluto TV that said Kamala is for they, them, you know? Right. All I fucking remember it. Then President Joe Biden felt compelled to conduct a running mate search tightly constrained by progressives insistence on prioritizing racial and gender diversity.

that searched saddled Democrats with Harris and her record which she could neither defend nor convincingly repudiate Again, look, I'm no spring chicken I've been around for a little while This was probably the least identity politics Democratic campaign I've seen Since like John Kerry ran in 2004 Like they barely even talked about any of that

Like as far as I could tell They talked about like tax breaks And building more housing you know what I mean more yibby type stuff rehabilitating george bush style politics yeah right I mean they did they did harp on her specific identity but I feel like that they abandoned that pretty fucking quickly once they started shifting more to the right

and as you mentioned there was no talk of diversity or inclusion um in terms of her policies in general I mean this again is the party that wouldn't even allow a trans or a Palestinian speaker at the DNC, right? And they deploy that selectively, too. I mean, like, did you see Hakeem Jeffrey's comment when Trump canned the woman at the Fed? What was her name? Lisa Cook, I think, was her name? Yeah, Lisa Cook.

And it was all about, like, identity stuff. She was the first place. And not that the fact that the president is just abusing his power. Right, right. But it was just like, no, it's like you canned her because of this and the. this thing, this thing. You know what I mean? Right.

I think the reason why they laid off that stuff in 2024 is because they knew that, like, logically it would lead them to a position where they would have to defend trans people in Palestinians, and they weren't going to do that. They had already consigned them to premature death, essentially. All to avoid that is a campaign thing because they knew that's what they would harp on. Right. So what you got in. was like instead of like the canard in 2016 and 2018 was like don't talk identity politics

just talk class politics and so but in 20 I mean and setting aside like all the many different debates you can have of like what are identity politics what are class politics like how do you even parts out the two can you blah blah blah blah blah setting aside all of that what you got in 2024 was a campaign that didn't do identity politics but didn't have anything else didn't have a class politic didn't even have like again as far as i could tell was just kind of warmed over abundance yimbiest reforms that weren't even billed as that and then sent richard torres and a chinese to michigan yeah yeah yeah then then mixed weirdly mixed in with some like two thousand's like bush eraisms it was really weird very strange i mean you could tell that they

going back to what I was saying a second ago about how like many people operate on these sort of ideological premises without even realizing why or what they're doing you could tell that they had kind of designs to want to build out a more progressive thing this is obviously well tried in territory because like Tim Waltz for example

but you saw again another classic friction fire situation that ran up hard against like what their imperative was at that moment which was to essentially keep providing cover for Biden providing cover for Israel's genocide. Providing meta cover.

You know what I'm thinking about too, man. I'm thinking about just in general the way they ran that 2024 campaign where it seemed to throw in the Obama era optimism without any of the progressivism or even faux-progressivism. There was also just when it came to foreign policy, there was also this very whole. hawkish, um, neocon sort of language thrown in. I mean, it's just this, just this weird triangulation. Um, it just got me thinking that, yeah, I guess when you don't have a future or you can't imagine a future as a party, like you just bring back the good old classics, right? And you just kind of throw those together, right, into some sort of amalgamation that doesn't really

deal with material issues. It, what it, all it does is that it harks to a time that might feel vaguely familiar for some people, you know, although the contradictions are even more heightened than they were back then. But you're presenting the same solutions that makes people feel comfortable, you know? Yeah. I mean, it's like Tom, you said yesterday, they might as well fucking just crown Trump for life. Because like, A, whoever comes next is it even going to be able to undo a fucking fraction of all the shit that they've done? But B, they're not even concerned, even slightly. So it's like I just don't like I don't see how because I do genuinely think that pretty much anybody they run in 2028 will win just by the fact that like Trump's approval ratings are terrible

but like if Trump decides not to run which apparently they say he can't but there's all kinds of things he can't do that he's already done. The fact that we're even entertaining that as a possibility is a harbinger. Not a good sign. But like let's say he doesn't run ostensibly the candidate it would be J.D. Vans. Anybody could beat that motherfucker. He ain't got the sauce. No, absolutely not. Strong ones taking that motherfucker out.

Like, isn't it funny, like how they would, remember that they would always bag on Obama, always been on vacation, and, like, all Trump and Vance do is, like, stay on vacation? It kind of makes me wonder if they... Goffered shit. Intentionally make J.D. do that

because they know that this stuff is really unpopular, and, like, he's going to want to run. radioactive so they make them stay as far away as possible about to bury this dick. Back to this article. Worse, the Biden administration, okay, says worse, the Biden administration underrated the risks of going along with the newly emboldened left. The backlash against Trump's first-term immigration policies led Biden to think the

public would tolerate the relaxed enforcement favored by democratic immigration activists. His team acted on the less preferred theory of how to reach work. class voters via protectionism manufacturing subsidies and support for unions rather than any moderation on cultural issues that strategy failed as completely as one can

um I like there's a lot to unpack there but I think that the I think that the notion that the Biden administration

listened to the left at all on anything is one of the most hilariously naive assumptions you can make. Like, they obviously, like, to the extent that they listened to the left on anything, it was just like, again, it was the Warren Sanders. Let's do a little bit of anti-monopoly, you know, trust busting, that kind of stuff. You could say Warren more than Sanders, because Sanders' whole thing was not me, us, right? Like collective, where Warren's thing was like, well, how can we tinker around the edges from the top down?

but like the idea that they listen to the left at all is laughable not to mention that like this seems to imply that Biden was soft that he was a dove on immigration which is again like who the what fucking world are you in um will democrats see will democrats make the same mistakes about mem dony they already are see sanders above or take a look at left wing publications which are urging democrats across the nation to be more like memdani some of the news coverage is it helping to mislead the Democrats. Commentators are saying that his win shows that Democrats need to highlight their exuberance

and their plans to make life affordable to appeal to young men, or that they need to run relentless and cheerful campaigns with zippy videos. Some of these alleged lessons might even be right, but the biggest lesson typically goes and mentioned in these articles. If you're a left-wing Democrat, be sure to run somewhere that doesn't have many Republican voters. Ideally, run somewhere with chronically low-voter turnout. And if your main opponent had to resign his previous office over serial selection,

harassment so much the better. I mean, it's just... I mean, I've... Whining bitch. Also, this is just rich... Also, this is just rich coming from a guy, um, you know,

supporting a party that just doesn't run candidates in some districts. Yeah. Right. They just give up completely. Like, what the fuck are you talking about? Well, also, I'm seeing here, I should have read his bio before.

Ramesh Pannuru is the editor of national review and a fellow at the Aeis. at the American Enterprise Institute. So I don't even know why I fucking read this. Sorry. This is a waste of time. Oh, man. Anyways.

You remember the house in days when we thought that was J.D. sealing is running the A.E.I. This is like reading a lot of cookie boss that thinks that cookie companies, cookie drug companies, shouldn't make lids.

Yeah. Oh, man. Well, there you have it. So, wait, does this guy say anything insightful about why Democrats? I mean, I guess Democrats shouldn't go in that direction because it's a unfaithful, I guess, reflection of the popularity of democratic policies? I think it's

no, there's one more paragraph and he just says those Democrats who think Mamdani will hurt their party are right to be concerned but they're thinking about the problem the wrong way. It's not the skeptics they need to worry about

it's the fans. The thing is, is like what I was saying earlier is it Bertie Roe shit, really? I mean, the thing is, man, what I was saying earlier about the 90s and like the neoliberal reforms

of that era, if you look at the narrative of American history, like the long arc, it is now abundantly clear that all of that shit in the 80s and 90s, the reforms, welfare reform, health care, privatization of all these things, the assault on public education, the rise in fucking school shootings, all this shit was essentially a ideological project to get the population to a point where they would be kind of indifferent and apathetic to what would eventually become the in stage, the terminal stage of the cancer.

You know what I'm saying? Where they would just kind of resign and just say like, all right, there's no intervention that can be made here. Let's just fucking go along with it. We've already seen that it doesn't work. So we might as well just lie down and die. Yeah, 100%. And then you throw in a few extra added goodies.

9-11, the War on Terror, the Fall of the Soviet Union. Sprinkle a little homegrown terrorism. All right. It's just like, it's just textbook. It's just like. Funny how all these ills conveniently serve the end game. Huh? It is, yeah.

Yeah. I mean, from that perspective, when you dial it back that far, it doesn't even really matter so much who did the individual acts. It was all going to happen that way anyways, because that was the operative logic of this model of accumulation. I just, there's no, there is no way forward for an opposition political movement. That does not take for granted that, like, majority of Americans want to go quietly into that good night. It's like, if you're, if, I mean, if you were serious about being in opposition, you have to basically at this point say, like, look, anyone to the right of Bernie Sanders wants your children to die in a fiery, you know, conflagration, or, you know what I'm saying? I mean, even look at Israel on the issue, man. God, I hope I'm not wrong here.

But isn't it true that didn't I see a poll that said like upwards to 70% of Democratic voters are against Israel? I don't know what that actually entails against it. A couple weeks ago, Israel was polling at 8% and our governor fixed his mouth to say that like, there's still an important ally they're still like this and that you know doing the whole line on like why it's still important to be in the pocket for Israel and it's like 8% brother

8 out of 100 people thinking I mean dude like at this point I just think that you can't just be like I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry no no no no no dude it's just I think

that at this point like you should be compared to gerbils you know if you're a democratic politician going out there talking about israel's right to exist you know yeah it's it's there's no daylight between the two positions it's just it's just right who's like who's yeah yeah yeah yeah totally totally i just i just don't know how you can get on there and claim to represent the popular will when you're backing up a position that's polling at eight fucking percent amongst your voters right right right right I think that they just They don't have any

They just don't have any They just don't have any Like did you guys see this thing? Fox News guest Aaron Cohen Used First Lady Melania Trump's call for preemptive intervention And identifying a potential school shooter on Wednesday

to pitch America's first ever AI threat detection platform for law enforcement It scrapes the internet 24-7 this is a hilarious quote it scrapes the internet 24-7 using an Israeli grade ontology to pull

specific threat language and then routes it to local law enforcement it's really funny ontology is the word he uses like what they need to do yet another example of cookie monster saying the cookie jar

companies need to quit making lids they I think they see I think that Okay Go ahead No, my connection is slow You go ahead No, I was just gonna say

I just think that they should maybe use That technology To go through tweets in Hebrew You know, on social media You can find a lot of prospective school shooters there No, there's a lot of ironies there, right? It's like, yeah, you could find

a lot of school shooters there, you could find a lot of pedophiles in rapists there also Israeli grade ontology is basically being like like maybe he meant to say technology but using ontology is really funny yeah it's an ontology cat's a weird tale

basically Israeli great ontology no ontology is like a discipline or like you're thinking of oncology oncology Oh, ontology is the existence of the knowledge of existence of some shit, right? Yeah, basically an Israeli great ontology would be everybody is Hamas, every item in the universe is Hamas, everything must be destroyed and killed in Iraq.

Everything has Hamas particles. That's Israeli great ontology. I think that like the, they've all boxed themselves in with. this kind of like technological determinism though and they see the only way forward they see and you see this with the abundance and you see it with the right wingers the only way forward for them is through technology and tech innovation and who is in their minds leading that is Israel because they use these very sophisticated like you know weapon systems and algorithms to kill as many people on the planet as possible and I think they see that as like a very sophisticated um you know like I said a very sophisticated like technology technological paradigm and I think it's a big reason why the Democrats just can't abandon it's why like people like Andy Bashir are saying like well we still have to support them we still have to do this it's just like we're kind of at the road we're in the end of the road in terms of political economy and ideology and it's like what's left is eliminationism who's doing that really well is real so it makes sense like they can't get off that train Andy brother you don't understand any circumstances have to give it to them have to hand it to him but i think i think that connection if i'm following you correctly here terence i think that connection between um big tech and israel and also big tech in the democratic party um i mean for all the for all the reasons

of settler colonialism um that we've talked about on the show at length um given the connection, the relationship between Israel and the U.S., it does make a lot of sense, too, given that relationship with Israel, right, that tech companies have with Israel, the relationship that the United States has with tech companies, you know? Yeah. And not trying to try to break up that triumvirate, you know? They, um, you know, there was this clip Thompson me yesterday, this person who went on Pod Save America, who is like, we use software and things to

determine, like, they, like, they took a, they, what, was that clip time it was like this woman was like this councilwoman in Los Angeles that like the Pod Save America guy had asked her like what have you done to like proliferate housing amongst people that needed in your district and

which was her response was bizarre on a couple levels one because the question was like how have you created more housing for people in your district and she said we actually stopped a building from being built from like six meters high or something

to three meters high, like cut it. Six stories to three. Six stories to three. What did I say meters? Six stories to three stories. It's like, and it's like, wait a second. And with EV parking spaces. We actually had we actually had to Bob the Builder

motherfuckers come through with sledge and tear down all of the section of the house. Well, what follow was just like a bunch of word salad about all these like building parking lots and developing and all this weird stuff like and then she closed it with like for example we've increased

accessibility by building a lot of EV ports there too and it was just like in that you could see in his face which is funny coming even from those guys he was horrified what the fuck she think electric vehicles got to do an accessibility bro I think the thing is it's a technological fetishism

it's like yeah yeah yeah they both they both fixate and fetishize the technological innovation itself but also using that as a methodology and means to achieve or address social problems, societal problems. And so it allows everybody, and again, we've talked about this many times before, but it allows everyone a kind of disconnection and abstraction from it to where like human rationalization and

human reason no longer factor in. It's just, I don't know, like, again, we've talked about this before, but turning over so much of this two machines is kind of like why you get a person like Richie Torres who's just dead eyed no fucking soul like these are the people who are

running things now there's a cheapening of human life across the board that's like devaluing yeah yeah right right you just got me I know we should probably go up but you just got me thanking Terence for people who love

who love to talk about technology and espouse all of the great successes and advancements of technology. Mostly it being its highest achievement is how many people can kill and how quickly it seems to be.

But it's just amazing that all these people just don't have any sense of a future, you know? All the things that could make build a future and make a future, they just don't. They believe in the mechanisms, I guess, when the raw material, but they don't really believe in how do you apply that stuff, you know,

to make them a livable future. Well, I mean, that's, and you've said the, I think the animating principle, everything we've been talking about is that. It's like these old wealthy people don't have a future literally because their time's running out. And as a sort of revenge for that, they want to make sure that everybody that does have a future feels like they don't, you know. Yeah.

And I think it also, it's masking. an insecurity, which is that they know capitalism did not deliver on any of the promises it made during the Cold War. One of which was, compared to communism, capitalism is an efficient and rational and just means of distributing resources and solving societal problems,

like starvation and sickness and housing insecurity and poverty and all this stuff. And they forget that, like, when capitalism was trying to do that, like, in the 60s, with the war on poverty, you needed more than just technology to do that. You needed humanities majors. You needed sociologists, statisticians. You needed human beings. And I think at some part of the way, once they realize, like, oh, shit, capitalism has failed to do this, to, you know, like, like, meet any of these objectives and promises. they kind of just

it curdled right like the dream kind of soured and curdled but then like what they landed on was like oh well good thing we have these highly sophisticated computational machines that can essentially adjudicate all this force

can what Tom now just step right in there and take the play yeah yeah yeah yeah it's yeah I know we're trying to close out but I think another thing is This is another fundamental flaw in, like, in our current mode.

It's like, somebody keep coming back to it. It's like, we are the strength of American capitalism as this insane consumer society. I'm just thinking about this even in terms of my personal finance. Like, oh, I'll just go buy like a $4 bottle of water sometimes. You know what I mean? Like we just consume. We consume. That is what we do.

That is our function. And now it's buttoned up against this thing where, like, all these jobs are being replaced or the design is for them to be replaced by AI and so forth and to cut that what they were calling so graciously at 2020 the human capital stock all right and I think like something that they haven't counted this yet is like well how do how in a consumer based society is it a good thing to cut all these jobs and like it's I don't know you create this weird sort of ghost economy

where they've like trying to figure out and there is no logic behind it but they're trying to make us all accept a kind of like stupid logic that is no we'll figure it out through some combination of like you know crypto and this and that all these things are just are there just to muddy the waters and make us feel like no actually we can figure out how to like square this circle you know i i don't know it's it's it's weird i think it's A.S. and robots don't buy things. Yeah. Yeah, it's vapor economics, man. I think it's like, it's vapor economics and something that, like, I've wondered about for years.

I didn't really understand it at the time, but I remember watching an Adam Curtis documentary, like, maybe 10 years ago. I don't remember which one it was. Maybe it was hyper-normalization, but regardless, he was talking about, like, how Putin was a very successful and powerful oligarch. and leader of Russia, because he figured out how to manage reality, in a sense, to manipulate it in a way to make it seem like it had popular support, that people supported these things, and that, like, it gave the appearance of a mandate for what were obviously horrible things, like raiding the coffers of the public sphere and, you know, military aggression and all this and you are seeing that in the United States

I mean like it seems like Trump is broadly unpopular it seems like most of his things are policies and whatnot are broadly unpopular but if they can just manage people's expectations and manipulate the reality around them

then it lulls people into a sense of kind of like false security and I think that all of these things like AI and crypto and all that you're right it's a kind of like ghost economy like it's all kind of exists to paper over what are some obvious deficiencies in this yeah flaws and deficiencies in the system um i wanted to kind of i wanted to read this article i'd put it i'd saved it for us to read

at some point but it might be a good it's very short in the financial times this is a good example of that how i might save more energy than it soaks up big tech big tech is going big on energy. Big tick. Big tip. There's a future we can believe in. That's right, brother. Data centers for artificial intelligence applications will require extra electricity

supply, which makes the energy transition a more burdensome exercise. But even so, there is a good chance that AI's climate benefits will eventually outweigh its costs. The immediate problem is clear. The AI boom has led to a rush to build gas-fired power plants. The intermittency of renewables means that it will be hard to make data centers truly green,

which helps explain why the likes of Google are turning to nuclear fusion. Yet, while AI-related demand is a new addition to energy transition plans, in absolute terms, it will be a relatively small part of the overall system. For contacts, data centers today consume 415 terawatt hours of electricity, equivalent to about 1.5% of global demand, blah, blah, blah. Meanwhile, AI's reach is likely to be larger than its energy footprint. The tech is expected to improve the efficiency of almost everything we do. It is true, of course, that for climate change purposes, cutting CO2 today is worth more than cutting it tomorrow.

But looking at the numbers at stake, if AI facilitated even modest savings on overall electricity use, it would be a net positive for energy transition. I just want to point out there's four paragraphs left in this article. And it doesn't once say how AI would actually save more. it's just cope it's just fucking cope man the seeds are gonna bro the seas are gonna swallow us

and we're gonna boil because they figured that it'll be better for you to make you know gender of AI of SpongeBob fucking Maryland Monroe you know what I'm saying it's just Jesus

I guess reading here it seems like what he's saying is or what they're saying is that AI is smart enough that it can like crunch the numbers and determine how it can save on energy but like that that is not

that's like a again the cookie monster also also is the AI taking corporeal form and going to be sitting in these meetings in these debates

you know with political leaders and business leaders like I don't understand how like I guess I guess what it is it's just dematerialized right from the political reality. Uh-huh. What it is is that AI is magically just going to do these things and not like, oh,

there has to be political, sociopolitical will backing it up, you know? It's magic, dog. They literally think it'll be just magic. It's like, oh, yeah, it'll solve it. No, that's an insult to magic, frankly. Now, AI is going to go through your neighborhood and make sure that all the recyclables are in the right container. I mean, it kind of begs the question

Like don't you think any political movement That just builds itself as like I don't even think you really have to be explicitly AI Even though that would be fine It's just that like something that's actually has humanity It's like The other thing too that's crazy to me It's like

We're supposed to just accept On the word of Sam Altman That these AIs are benevolent You know what I mean? Like these AI models are benevolent. when like the people that are profiting off them are the most like eight most evil guys that have ever existed and like we see the example after example of them like the article this week about the encouraging the kid to commit suicide or kind of working around and safeguards you know what I mean

or like the people that lose their mind in this like sort of weird religious fantasy or like leave their partners for like a like we have already seen and it's probably very likely that AI, we know AI has killed people. Like, people have, there are people whose virile flesh and blood life has ended because of something pertaining to AI. And yet we're just supposed to accept on principle as an inevitability that not only are these,

this AI models like benevolent, but that, what are you going to do? We just got to coalesce around it because that's just, that's just, you can't fight progress yet. Yet. Oh, God. I mean, yeah, you're right. And it makes me wonder, like,

obviously they think that these machines will be what solve all these myriad problems when it's obvious that they're just digging them all deeper. But, like, is that resonant with people? Like, couldn't you just go to people and be like, look, we promise to solve problems with American brains, with American hands, with American, you know what I mean? Like, actual reasoning and intelligence,

not artificial intelligence. Like what, wouldn't that be a resonant message you would think? Well, what it is, man, is that, like, everybody knows that we live in hell, you know, and that in many respects, not like a resolute end, but some kind of collapse, right, is around the corner. And what it is, it's future hustling, man. Yeah. You know, it's telling people that, oh, you live in the future, the world of tomorrow. you know this this uh you know this chrome slick future you know of electric cars and all

other forms of renewable energy and you know all this shit you know and space travel it's right around the corner tomorrow and it starts with AI do you think we crave that collapse do you think everyone craves that collapse I think we've been conditioned to I think we've been conditioned to I think we've been conditioned to fetishize apocalypse I think that's why Peter Till's going around like a goddamn melting tent preacher talking about the Antichrist and all that stuff.

The other thing too is it's like this future is not anything that's not in the, they're not offered as anything that's not in the brochure. Think about the words we use around these modes.

Think about capitalism. It's pejorative. Like you don't use capitalism unless you're saying having capitalized on someone's misfortune. You know what I mean? You don't use artificial

as an honorific. It's pejorative. It's like, Like something that's not real, you know what I mean? That's not like, that's fake, you know? Like, it's just, it's right there in the verbiage. Yeah, that's true. The artificial thing is very strange.

And it's why you can't have an actual authentic conversation about anything paradoxically. Because under social media and artificial intelligence, everyone thinks that you are being inauthentic at all times. Like you're putting on a separate, like a mask that you're not being your true. And one more, one last thing I didn't want to say, too, I feel like would they think the appeal of AI is, which I don't think resonates with people at all. But it's not even just like this future hustling, but I also think it's sort of obviously seeming to take the human element out of AI, you know, so that people who are distrustful now of institutions run by people. whether you know it's um in health care or whether it's in um i don't know i guess like you know science right and take other technologies right like any authoritative institution or authoritative any authoritative voices um i think they're like yeah people i think they might think

that hey why don't we just take the take the person out of it and let the computer do it you know yeah you know and in some ways too i guess for you know any agencies entities that use the AI, it avoids any responsibilityization, right? It avoids them, it allows them to pass the buck, you know? Yeah. I guess my question is, though, what

do do Americans really want that cataclysm? Like, I mean, truly, like, don't they understand, like, that would be very, very, very bad? Like, can't we pull, can we pull the plane out of the nose dive?

Or do we want the collision? I think, I think it's like, things in life my friends I think it's I think it's a tantalizing process till it actually is a reality you know at which point it's too late at which point it's yeah it's too late to put the horse back in the barn you know what I mean so you think we the you think collision is imminent I think well here's what I think it is I think it's like we like that's why the book of revelation is so tantalizing to us as young Christians or whatever you know what I mean but the reality of those events happen

would be terrifying, you know what I mean? But like as long as there's a safe, as long as there's a buffer that it's just a narrative story, like that's enticing. That's why people need to start reading again. We would get out of this mentality if we would just, you know, kind of, you know, have a separate story life from the real, very real, insane thing that we're living. Maybe this is a bad example, but you know what it's like, I think for most of the real, Merkins. I think it's analogous to a guy beating off to some really weird shit. Like nothing

illegal, you know, nothing that would put upon any, any predator watch list or anything like that. But just beating off to something really weird for the first time that you wouldn't normally, you know, you wouldn't venture into. And you're about the nut and you're like, oh my God, I can't believe I'm about the nut to completion, about the, you know, the jerk off to complete to this think and you're really scared to at first to like you know for the sea with the flow but then what it happens I guess it just happens and I think most Americans the collapse is you know is the ejaculation you know what I mean it's sort of like maybe we should just get this over maybe we're doing it already right is it like is it like how there is this thing I

just learned about this the other day called bug chasing where um this does not sound innocent at all Some gay men want to acquire HIV because they are so scared of getting it that getting it would deflate the terror of potentially getting it. You know what I'm saying? I mean, is this like when your dad pushed you into the deep end of the pool because you're scared of getting you scared to swimming? This is actually probably similar to lost chasing with gambling. Like you actually want to lose because you're,

you are terrified of losing but like losing would kind of deflate the terror of it actually happening So you infect your body because you're terrified of the infection but that also dilutes the terror of the infection So I guess what I'm saying here is that

You're saying the fear is worse than the reality or something like that? Yeah exactly like the fear is worse than what they think will actually occur once the event horizon has been you know transgressed And so, is that the case with most Americans?

Like, do most Americans want to go to the brink and, like, get the cataclysm? Achieve the cataclysm because that would be less scary than constantly sitting around in fear of it finally coming? Because, like, look, look, listen to this. I want you guys to think about this. Has there been a single moment in the last 10 to 12 years where things have gotten even a modicum better? Like when I sit down to to list out wins and victories We haven't had one in a while

I mean it seems like it's trending Avatar 2 maybe That was it That was it for me personally Yeah that's hard to say That's hard to say I think Yeah

Maybe it's just Maybe it's the feeling Maybe it's just like Well if it all collapses at least something will have happened and that's better than the stasis, you know? Uh-huh. I stand by that

that most Americans are beating off to furry porn and they're scared, they're going to realize that they like it when they don't. It's like, God damn, I like this weird animal porn. Aaron, is there anything you'd like to unburden yourself about? Brother, you have no idea.

you start with the furries brother and you go at all sorts of directions that god did not intend he did not intend boys all right well i'm busting the pit all right yeah all right let's call let's call it um i uh by the way though i told myself like i'm trying to um not only just focus on the dumer every week i want to try to find one good story uh who knows how long long this will last, but this week's good story, Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey are getting married because they're in love. Because they're in love. And that's, in fairness, that's a beautiful life.

That's a beautiful thing. So is his name. His name is Kelsey and not Kelse. I thought it was Kelsey. Yeah, it's Travis Kelsey. Oh, guy. Damn. It should be more evidently spelled like that.

Almost gaslit me there for a second. it should be spelled like the white girl's name yeah exactly Kelsey Travis Kelsey that's how you got to say all right

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