Trillbilly Worker's Party - Episode 408: Scared Straight For Nukes (w/ special guest Mina Parkison)

Episode Date: September 4, 2025

This week we're taking a look at Trump's health scare, Florida ending vaccine mandates, dog autism, the impending recession, and an article in Politico about the inevitable AI doomsday Support us on Patreon: www.patreon.com/trillbillyworkersparty

I've been reading a new book. I've been reading a new book. Finally. Finally. I finally got a new book. A win for literacy. If ever there was one. It has the very provocative title of,

We Sell Drugs, the Alchemy of U.S. Empire by Susanna Rice. I don't know how she pronounces her last name. Kind of a hard pivot from the vampire stuff, but I'll allow it. What do you mean? Like the alchemy aspect of it or the... It's an Anne Rice joke to him. Oh. No, it's Susan.

It's Susanna Rice. Oh, Casey, that's where I got hung up. I learned a very fascinating little fact from this. When the U.S. devalued the dollar during World War II or in the lead-up to World War II and moved all the gold to Fort Knox, what they moved, that previously the gold had been in the Treasury vaults, the U.S. Treasury in D.C. so when they moved all the gold out of the treasury vaults into Fort Knox they replaced it all

with cocaine and opium fuck yeah and there was a janitor actually who worked at the treasury department who was breaking in and stealing massive kilos of coke this was in like the 1940s it was like running a cocaine

trafficking so let me get this straight the dollar was once backed mostly by Yeti powder and milk of the poppy. Yeah, it's like a, it's a, it probably continues to be in large men. Yeah, it was like a symbolic substitute, right? It's like the dollar's no longer backed by gold, it's backed by drugs. Yeah, true gangster capitalism shit. 100%.

It's a really crazy story our book, though. Basically, it's, yeah, it's just about how like the United States during World World War to basically use the war to consolidate its supply lines worldwide and to basically consolidate its power over drug flows. It's like they realized that like one way to exert power over the entire globe was just being able to control what drugs went where, when, to who, and whatnot. It all comes back to, it all comes back to drugs, folks. yeah we're just uh we're importing nazis exporting drugs we even we even imported the nazis like

pharmaceutical techniques because the germans were the first to discover a synthetic opioid demoral previously you you know you had to use opium or poppy but the the germans you know they're pharmaceutical innovations, you know, how Hitler was yacked to the fucking gills on amphetamines and shit. Like, they discovered that you could make synthetic opioids. And I guess that's why we have the opioid crisis we do today, because of the Nazis.

That's why Indianapolis looks like that. Purdue Pharma is based out of there, and they're just, you know, they're just throwing stuff at the wall, see what sticks. Yeah. A lot of,

you know, occult dramatic symbols of that town. Yeah, the whole state sucks. It's a bad state. It's a bad state.

Now, listen, I can't let you besmirch the Hoosier state like it. It's got Michael, you can't, well, that's a bad example. Yeah. Well, first of all, first of all, Tom, what the fuck are you going to do about it? Wait. I need to point out

the hypocrisy of Tom Sexton here. extolling the virtues of Indiana but an inveterate Ohio hater as if there's really that much of a difference between the listen I've changed course on the Midwest I'm not proud of this entirely but I have changed I've changed course on it okay so Indiana's given us

Freddie Gibbs we're going to say Michael Jackson but sure well that depends what company you're in how well that goes over you know Wasn't there like some Gen Z kid this week that was like, I'll never forgive some white documentary maker for convincing the world that Michael, for convincing the world that Michael Jackson was a pito? It's like, no, we all knew this before, before that. A long time. This was one of the defining things of all of our childhoods.

Yep. A lot of real complicated feelings the day he died. A lot of real complicated feelings from. the rest of the country all sectors of society yeah like indiana has been you know kind of castrated by all of the manufacturing leaving and um

you know just having having a sort of like corn based economy um which is which is fine i mean most of the stuff we eat is like corn and plastic and now the corn's plastic so it all kind of like comes back around full circle i i say this as as somebody who's uh whose wife lived in uh indiana for quite some time and i have i have the authority to say um you know sorry indianans they even like even when they were

settling indiana i mean that's why it's called that is called indiana is because there were native americans living there it was like a forward operating base once it was established and then there's Was it found, it was either where the KKK was founded or revitalized brought back? I can't remember which one. Well, it was like William Henry Harrison, Tippecanoe. Like, that's the, like, that's where the Ashani kind of, like, made their, one of their final stands was against the encroaching. Because, like, as the U.S. Empire, you know, invaded into Ohio. and push the Shawnee out of Ohio they had nowhere else to go but Indiana and then the empire just kept pushing west and so yeah I think that like that was like at one point the final frontier the final just one more frontier bro we promise we swear just one more frontier and so they just one last job yeah I have to say I've never spent much time there except in the little tiny

tell in portion of it just across the river from Louisville, but it looks beautiful, in my opinion. The rain man, Sean Kemp. Yeah. Elkhart. Bring to the show, Emily Hillier, to Elkhart. There's some good stuff there.

But I'm sorry, I mean, listen. Yeah, if you married into it, you can besmirch away. I'm sorry I was... Yeah. One thing about Indiana, you know, they have a lot of, like, different fraternal societies, like Elks Lodges, Masonic.

lodges, et cetera, et cetera. I don't trust a lodge. I really, I think that that's like a fair thing to stand. If you have a lodge, that's like already one strike against you. I don't know what you're doing in there. And I can only assume it's some like Illuminati shit. I'm not saying that like the Elks Lodge is in control of the world government. But, uh, can't rule it out. I can't rule it out either. You know, Shriners. Do Shriners? have lodges? I don't know. Oh, they had the temple, right? Yeah, they have a temple.

Oh, that's even fucking worse. What? Okay, okay. Of all the sort of clandestine societies, temples or lodges, both sinister vibes emanating off the... Yeah. Lodge daughter or temple son. It's... Which would you rather have? I don't know

Yeah I guess this goes back to like the Rosicrucians right Which by the way The geez we could take this in so many different places But like that shooter in Minnesota Was part of the 09A right Yeah The order of nine angles Which is like

Kind of a secret society It's a cult really right Yeah. I mean, I guess you could, what's the line between a secret society and a cult, right? It's like, I guess like secret societies, at least they have cool handshakes and stuff, but they both, you know, have hazing rituals. So you're going to have to jerk off into a coffin and somewhere along the line. Again, clandestine homo erotica is part of the cost of a business in this outfit.

So as a former member of a college fraternity, I can speak to that. yeah yeah do you think they made do you think they made them like eat the come out of the coffin like uh last one yeah last one to come into the coffin you have to or first one first one one you have to eat all of it first and the last usually there's the alpha and the omega synchronicity in these types of rituals you got to snowball my experience yeah yeah right right what's what's your what's your thoughts on the school shootings meena are they more Pat Buchanan Motherfucker up in here

We are rapidly approaching that point though Like we will soon be polling Americans Like good bad What do you think One in four Americans will be like They've got some merits Like I saw today

One in four Americans said they Would trust RFK Jr. On medical advice So you know We're we're approaching that That's tough That's Florida canceling vaccine mandates we'll get to that

later we'll get to that later yeah yeah I had that on my list I mean like the whole this whole good I'm glad I saw that I'm like fucking locked well not maybe not locked and loaded um maybe oh shit

locked perhaps not loaded yeah perhaps yeah locked in I don't know locked in never would say locked in anyways yeah yeah locked in we'll go with that one we'll go with that one i mean like this the oh nine a stuff the seven six four stuff like the general like umbrella of you know colloquially known as terror gram it really i don't know it it is

frightening um and like having these very much like lone wolf style but also this sell not even like cell like structure you know domestic gladio type shit except now instead of like a fascist front it's like one person goes and does it yeah i mean is it like you think it's organized like top down or is it just like an emergent

phenomenon of a crumbling empire like i guess that's the question with all this stuff right like how yeah i probably uh probably the latter you know one could argue if we're going to go the gladio route uh we're dealing with sort of like a strategy of tension style um but we kind of like uh let the free market take care of it now we're just driving each other insane online um which then promotes like massive massive acts of violence which keeps every you know this cycle of like fear and then clamping down on it and then further strikes of fear.

And now we've just expanded it to more people groups. There was a, there's a book that I read a while ago called the Terror Factory that kind of did like a deep dive into this. And this was, you know, I was written like 10, 15 years ago. It's a pretty good book. And talking about like the way that a lot of, you know, groups in the past or individuals being goaded into uh doing terroristic actions but like this is like a continued thread um but i can't say for certain at this point uh all i know is this this shooter was uh deeply unwell deeply unwell

i i hope that that's not a bold claim you know what if it is i i'm glad to stand alone on that think you're correct i like the books y'all read terrances terence is uh reading we sell drugs you're reading what was that the terror don't we sell terror terror the terror the terror the terror the terror factor i read the terror factory a few years ago i started reading errand into the wilderness of mirrors which is about the cia's uh taking advantage of religion uh like os s and then post os s into cia stuff it's Crazy book. I mean, any book about the CIA is going to be fucking crazy. Like, it's part, like, Looney Tunes level, and then it's also, like, some of the most terrifying destabilization programs. And you believe this really happened.

Yeah, truly, truly. Like, trying to convince people, I believe, if I remember correctly, trying to convince people in Indonesia during World War II that Japan was going to take over and essentially, like, colonize. Islam and replace you know Muhammad with the emperor of Japan as a way to stoke animus between Indonesians and Japanese

that's pretty early on story in that book I have to say Islam with Japanese characteristics could yield some interesting fruit if you separate it from the whole ethnic conflict thing speaking you know that was kind of like the within Dune there's like a fusion

of Buddhism and Islam, if I remember correctly. People on the DuneWiki can fact check me on that one. Where did Terrence go? I think he turned his, I think he turned his video. Yeah, sorry. Apparently my connection is unstable. So I'm trying to get stable again. Yeah, I, well, I'm just going back to the original sources on

uh global drug distribution and trafficking and would i mean wouldn't you know it it all comes back to the united states obviously like the united states was the largest supplier and distributor of cocaine and opiates in the uh 1930s and 40s and had even cornered the market on opium distribution in the 1940s and um it is crazy like the uh like the raw materials for cocaine come from like Peru, Bolivia, and Colombia a little bit. I mean, some of it comes from Colombia. But like the United States like went out of its way to make sure that cocaine was never manufactured in South America.

It always wanted the raw materials to come into the United States so the United States could manufacture it because it had medicinal applications in the 30s and 40s. But the largest, I think the largest use of it was as a flavoring. in Coca-Cola, which everybody knows. But it, like, goes so much deeper than that. Like, the United States basically... Like, there were sugar rations during World War II, and the United States basically wrote the law

to allow Coca-Cola to put as much sugar as it wanted into its drinks. And went so far as to make Coca-Cola, like, the drink of American Empire. So, like, anywhere in the world, if you were on an American military base, you could go to Coke for, like, five cents. And, I mean, I don't know, man.

Just the... The strands and sinews and threads that all come back to, you know, America being the, you know, global force of evil. It's just like you look at today what's happening with America today. It's like, do we even deserve to be redeemed? Like, can we even, could we even, like, is there anything we could do to make up for the, you know, sheer scale of. terror and misery we've woven across the world. I don't know, just musings, just thoughts on a Thursday morning. Yeah, I mean, hell, it hadn't been that long ago that Coca-Cola had brown shirts

assassinating unionized workers in Colombia, right? It's only been in the last couple of years. Yeah, I mean, I was just thinking of this because the United States, welcome to the show officially. We're joined by... Oh, yeah. We're joined by... I want to point out here, we went from eating cum out of coffins, maybe in Indiana, to the informal economy of the United States leading the drug trade.

I pulled up to the house that every host that Tom, Terrence, and Aaron all live in, I pulled up in my ride and I said, get in. We're going to Rift City, baby. Top down, music loud, let's go. Yes, welcome to the show officially. We're joined by our old Palmyna. Parkinson, we're talking about, you know, all kinds of things today. We've got, like, a lot of items to cover. But, like, this ties into one of the major news items from this week.

The United States just, you know, extrajudiciously. sunk a boat in the South Caribbean that was leaving Venezuela. They said it was because this was a boat owned by Trained Agua, which is they, I guess they say that that is a sub-gang within MS-13 or something, or that there are Venezuelan drug traffickers. Basically, this is all... They're splinter sales, huh? What's that, Tom?

I said there's splinter sales within the MS-13. I could be wrong about that. I don't know if that's the case or not. I seem to hear the names used in conjunction, but maybe I'm wrong about that. It seems, though, like we can definitively say that this is probably being used as pretense to launch some sort of regime-change war in Venezuela,

like the peace ticket. Wanguado's Revenge. Juan Guido's Revenge, Part 3. Yeah. Stop trying to make regime change in Venezuela happen. It's just not. Yeah, you got to give it up at some point. Yeah.

Start small. Maybe not, like, you know, this is probably one of my favorite little pocket erminutics, which is just like go look up largest oil reserves in the world. And that is kind of like a nice little. legend for U.S. foreign policy. You do that with other major raw materials because it's like Venezuela, Saudi Arabia, Ethiopia, and be like, oh, okay, this is why all of this is happening.

Yeah. Yeah, it all comes back to oil, drugs. Is there a secret third thing? There's a third thing, right? Guns? Lithium. Remember when Elon said, we'll coup who we want to and they tried to do it in Bolivia and then they just put Evo back in there about six months later? uh-huh yeah well that they're focused more on domestic gladio than they are international gladio at this point right it's like how how can we kill as many people in america as possible because i think that's you know that's obviously like you know the piss is gone uh everything's cooks like we're not doing real international regime change anymore. Trump is getting sunned on a daily basis by Putin, which is really fucking funny. They single-handedly drove India back to China, like two, you know, two countries that

have been in almost a cold war for like 40 years or so. Yeah, they're doing the guts games on the border between China and India, just like beating the shit out of each other. other with sticks. Like, that is not a lie. That is not me doing irony, racism. There are videos of them. Literally. I prefer.

I would rather them hit each other with sticks than like shoot at each other with guns. Oh. That's much better. Stick a pinning. Glover guts. Maybe the pathway to peace. I, look, I, I am on the record stating this is like when two countries want to declare war on each other.

they should pick like 10 sports from the Olympics to compete against each other and then we resolve it that way uh-huh seven style yeah mba five that's right that's right i feel like i you know we solve global conflict through sports yeah we used to do that like when russia would kick our asses in like fucking gymnastics and hockey and stuff power lifting power lifting yeah they could never beat us in basketball though so we've always got that um where was it going with that I think the point is is internationally

like we're cooked like Trump is so good at his job that he's made India and China put away their sticks and come together like there was a big summit with Putin Xi and Modi over the weekend

and the three of them were like yucking it up like having fun like multipolarity is here folks and um but like it was a weird weekend right because like there was all this speculation that Trump had died

yeah that did happen and he didn't he didn't die yeah you know whom amongst us can't help but like have a little like living out over the prospect of your president dying

you know that's that I feel like it's somewhat deserved even of like, you know, the most hardcore, you know, communist, leftists, uh, just being like, what if he's dead, though? I mean, it, we were like edging towards the time that Trump had COVID, because at least with like Trump having COVID, it was like, this is a confirmed case. There's a, there's a kernel of something that could happen. That was the funny.

That's one of the funniest days online. I've spent many, many years. He had to confront his own mortality with the immortal lines. Am I going out like Stan? Yeah. Yeah. like why he's been talking about death a lot he's been talking about wanting to go to heaven lately a lot

yeah brother what I would say to that is I'd disavow yourself of that notion real quick and just enjoy whatever time you have left there because is that why the Epstein thing is clearly sapping him of all like energy and vitality because it's like genuinely I feel like

his health problems, he looked like shit over the course of the campaign. I'm not going to like, you know, front here. He did look pretty bad over the course of 2024, especially getting shot at is not good for your health either. But I will say that he didn't, it did seem like he was entering office pretty well rested. He looked like a little, his face was a little less puffy back in February he was a little more on his on his toes but then once this Epstein stuff kind of surfaced like really two months ago his

fucking help is purple yeah it's taking a nose dive so is this killing him is this what is this what's you know sapping him of that that classic Trump vitality I mean he

is old as shit but I will subscribe to this theory I will I choose to do this yeah okay I choose actively I think that that's that's kind of fair I would well I is you know I was never I was never invited to Epstein's Island or whatever whatever the fuck he said yeah I and then there's like all of the reactions

from people who were in those hearings just what yesterday of saying like this is a massive like cover up they they release that extra minute of footage outside the cell of uh of epstein and i watched it and as far as i could tell there's nothing happening but who knows who knows i i did see nancy mace flee the hearing pretending to be upset and crying um there was a lot of histrionics going on for sure I love our B-tier opportunists like her. They're so good. Uh-huh.

Yeah, it's, to recap, there was a lot, Trump hadn't been seen for a week. There's a lot of speculation, you know, J.D. Vance came out late last week and said, I'm ready to take the reins if Trump's health problems, you know, if he succumbs to his health problems. And, you know, over the weekend, people were,

you know, uh, kind of worked themselves into a frenzy and convince themselves that Trump was dying, myself included. I was pretty, um, you know, I, I, I, I wasn't like actually, I didn't actually think he was dying. But like, like, when I post, I like to kind of do my own strategy of tension thing where I like post as if that's the case as to force the contradictions and make people sweat a little bit. And so, yeah, that's how you're, that's how you're, that's how you're never wrong is if you're right, it's because you're just sort of ontologically correct. And yes, if you were wrong, then it's you heightening the contradictions. Exactly. That's the way that I get out of everything. Not dissimilar to Trump himself. You never, even when you're right. Even when you're

wrong, you're right. Yeah. What's all this? I'd break it to JD, though. I would say there's very little chance he's going to be the president. Like, I could see Trump doing something like on his death bed removing him as vice president putting like Don Jr. Or not Don Jr., probably Eric, just despite Don Jr. It's like something goofy like that, you know? Yeah. Keeping it in the family. I just don't think

I don't think it's in the cards for JD. I don't know, man. I would have thought that but then yesterday I saw Barry Weiss is getting a $200 million buyout from Paramount for her shitty fucking blog. Nobody reads. So clearly

the fell sons and fell daughters, like the mediocrities are they continue to rise to the top they continue to ascend so we used to have like real yellow journalism in this country and now we have fucking substacks

it's bad it's real bad yeah it just this chinty rickety held together with gum and twine we we have we used to have yellow journalism now we have jaundice journalism yes

Yes, yes. The president's got jaundice. The journalism looks bad. Well, and not dissimilar to like how you have to watch cable these days. You have to subscribe to like 16 different things to, you know, get a composite picture that's maybe somewhat accurate, you know. Yeah. And where's the coffee-flavored coffee? Yeah, that's it. Yeah. I'm wondering the same thing.

so just on Tuesday to like allay fears that he was not dead they brought him out made him do a little announcement about moving space command from Alabama to Colorado or maybe the opposite maybe it's from Colorado to Alabama who gives a fuck but it was I've got I got a little something to add to that little inside baseball yeah what you got heard from so a friend of mine went to a music festival in Norway recently I met two people that two gay guys one from Pensacola and one from South Carolina I think is the gay stuff important to the story yes okay I wasn't doing that out of hand me that's relevant to the backside no I was genuinely sure I like to say a little

flourishes you know that's fine that's fine now I thought it was important you knew these guys sexual out. So apparently they were both in the Air Force and got transferred to Space Force. And they think that they're like hiding out like gay and trans people in the Space Force. Basically like to just sort of push them out of like the normal service branches or whatever.

It's kind of like a weird thing. That's, and that's... They're going to send us into space like WICA. like that's the plan I mean you ever get a patriotic my planet needs me you're going to be mine of moon minerals friend that's hey

I'm doing space trucking I'm you know I got my my big rig I'm doing oh I'm doing Enders game shit yeah I is that why they moved it from

Colorado to Alabama They're sending the Space Force Gays to Alabama, basically. Well, the Air Force, they're both in the Air Force. Now, two gay for the Navy and Air Force. But I thought you said that they moved them to the Space Force. They did. They moved them to the Space Force. They started out in the Air Force, and then they got reassigned to Space Force.

And an enormous amount of gay service people are ending up in the Space Force is what they're saying. It's cold up there. It's cold up there. You've got to get close to warm up. Things happen. Things happen. Things are floating. You know, vectors are shooting outwards and then, you know, equal and opposite reaction. There's xenomorphs. It's true. It's true. That kind of stuff. That's true. You're going to need some gay ingenuity when it all pops off up there. Yeah. The xenomorph is gay anyway, so. The xenomorph is a woman. Oh, is it? But she is also a gay woman.

actually no i'm trying to do my arithmetic that's right yeah so i didn't mean to derail you i just thought that that was an interesting aside no it is an interesting aside yeah i mean hard-hitting journalism you know our jaundice journalism you know that's a little that jaundice journalism we've been done uh-huh the point of the press conference was i mean it was like why does the president need to announce anything about the fucking space force like it's obviously a press conference to allay fears that he had not died. I genuinely think, like, he clearly suffered a health episode, okay? Like, I think we can confidently say that.

Otherwise, I don't know why J.D. would be out there trying to calm the markets. I don't know why Trump had disappeared from the public eye for almost a week. Like, I don't know about you, too, but, like, I'm, my guess, I'm going with heart attack. Didn't seem like it was a mental thing. He seemed kind of like not so great physically. Matter infarction. I think he might have had a heart attack or some kind. You remember when Bernie had a heart attack?

And he was like, they tried to kind of play it down. They were like, no, it's just a little baby heart attack. Yeah. You can't forget. These people are old. These people are very, very, very old, like unwrapped mummies. Old people sometimes have heart attack. What do y'all think, though?

You think heart attack? You think stroke? Maybe neither. You think he just like pooped himself or like fell or like what? Consumption. Consumption. He just had to consume more. I'm giving him a 19-20 swamp disease.

So consumption, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I mean with the Epstein stuff, I mean, I could go left field. He had to get an infusion. Oh, yeah, okay. He had to get an infusion of all the chemicals that they were harvesting out of children or whatever. Oh, yeah. It's like quailudes drying up.

You know, with Epstein gone, we have to like kind of, you know, look in between the couch cushion. That's true. I see what you're saying. He was running past like his, you know, it's like when you tried to coast into the gas station on fumes, you know. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But it was, in this case, it was adrenachrome. It was like running on adrenochrome fumes, essentially.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Pull up the betting sites. We'll see what the overunders are on all of these. Yeah. I'm guessing heart-related. But again, I feel like if he had a stroke, it'd be a little more obvious.

But I'm not a doctor. I'm not a medical doctor. I just have a Ph.D. in psychology. Well, to your credit on your theory, Terrence, the man did. Remember when Randy Jeff. Jackson, some guy named Randy Jackson was his doctor who was like a The American Idol professor from Texas A&M or something. Oh, yeah.

And he said that, like when he was talking about Trump South, he was like, yeah, it's coronary calcium scored and they rattled off like a triple digit number and then just moved right on to the next thing. And everybody's like, wait, hold on a second. Even Sanjay Gupta was like, no, Trump has heart disease. What is somebody just skipping right over that part? Yeah. He's a man of the people.

That's like most of what Americans have at that age. That is true. That is true. You can only subsist so long unbothered on fillet of fish and Big Macs. You know what I mean? I hate that it's that way, but it is an inconvenient truth. I will say, and it's documented, you can go back and find the episode. I don't remember what episode.

Probably on Patreon. I have no idea if that's true or not, but I just want more people to subscribe to Patreon. so it's probably on Patreon So you should just go $5 a month You can go find out yourself I I several months ago

I like Just broke down Like on my knees Like God Will you please kill Donald Trump Like will you please take his life Like I'm just begging I'm out of options

I have nothing left Like I'm not trying to test you And you're all You know Infinite wisdom and power I could just really use some help And I kind of you know in my mind i was like because i'm a believer in manifestation right like you put the

energy out there and in my mind like what i like to you know envision is i made that prayer and the waves go out into the universe right and trump's sitting at the white house and he gets hit and it's like that it's like a vana syndrome but the god exactly it's like that clip of idris elbow on hot ones where he's like oh No, no, what the fuck? You know what I'm saying? Listen in psychic attacks. Just focusing all of your hate and anger, like a pink bean.

Yes. Now, I will be honest with you, at a certain point, you would have been in high demand from the, you know, the military industrial complex with that kind of thing. See, this only works if you do it in his current direction. Oh. Like when praying towards Mecca, you have to. you have to aim your psychic attacks at the same exact direction that Donald Trump is in

at any given point in time. I think maybe I was pointing in that direction. In that moment, his ankles just went, roop. They filled up. That's true. His hands turn purple. There is a correlation there. Now, in fairness, had you petitioned the God from the Book of Job, you might have got your wish.

You know, Book of Job owns up basically with God and the devil shooting dice in the celestial court yeah seems like a god that might have accommodated that request but at what cost there you're right i prayed to the new tostment god what am i thinking yeah yeah huh easy mistake to have happen yeah you don't you'd go with the vengeful and wrathful one not the benevolent and all loving one right because that's obviously the god that we that like reigns over this world i mean um on that note uh florida canceled all vaccine mandates and the U.S. now has more unemployed people than job openings. What else do I miss in here? Home ownership is down for the first time since 2016.

It's it's national suicide week. I don't mean it's not national suicide. You don't mean from an awareness perspective. You don't mean. You will be made aware of. However, did you did y'all see this? I had to point this out. On the vaccinations point, as rabies seems to be spreading more in wildlife,

veterinarians are especially worried about vaccine hesitancy spreading among pet owners, a dangerous trend that could lead to more dogs and their owners becoming infected with rabies. A 2023 study published in the journal vaccine found in a nationally representative sample of Americans that nearly 40% believed canine vaccines were unsafe, and 37% believed that vaccines could lead

their dogs to develop cognitive issues such as autism. More than a third of Americans think rabies vaccines causes autistic dogs. Now, here's the real question. Does autism transmit through dog bite, through animal saliva? Because that could explain a lot of things about me, which is. is, this is a horrible fact. This is a, I shouldn't say horrible. It's more of a humiliating fact about my life is I've been bit by dogs a lot.

I was a, I was, yes, a lot. I, because I go and I run or I ride my bike in the morning. And where I live, people just let their dogs kind of roam around in the morning. Because to be fair, it is like five in the morning. I don't really blame them that much for that. However, I must look like a ham on a bicycle because like literally on what was that, that would have been Friday, just had this dog like lunge at me and I have like a wound on my leg. This has happened. I got to say, this has happened like nearly a dozen times in my life.

They see you and they just see like a pork chop riding a bicycle. Holy guys, it's like those cartoons where two guys are on a desert island. He looks at his buddy and turns into a ham. That's how those dogs view you. Yes, exactly. And I truly, because like, I'm not, because of this, I'm not the biggest fan of dogs anymore. And I feel like that's kind of fair. But I do have to.

To the right place. Yeah, I do have to reflect and kind of see, like, I am the common denominator in these interactions. So it's got to be, it maybe is partially my. fault. But you're victim blaming. That's fine. I'm the victim. I'm allowed to. I know. It's what I'm saying. You're victim blaming yourself. Yeah. I did I did develop a technique. I found like a pile of sticks and then I saw the dog this morning when I was out riding and we kind of like squared off and I threw a stick into a yard and then sped past. That's a good strategy. That is a good strategy. Yeah, there is a word for a pile of sticks that I won't use. It's derogatory and we can't use it on

No, say it. I give you the past. Do it, do it, do it, do it, do it. You strapped, you strapped a bag bundle to your back and just started throwing. He went for it. He went for it. He went for it. Full chest. You know, it sounded really natural coming out of your mouth. Many things do sound natural coming out of my mouth. Anyways.

The other thing about dog, dog autism is it's like autism comes factory in all dogs. They all have like a fucking job that they have to do or they're like miserable. That's why, that's why I mean, that's why you're getting bitten. It's not the dog. It's actually the people that thought it was a good idea to fucking make a house dog out of an animal that needs to run 60 goddamn miles a day and herd sheep. You know what I mean? Yeah. To be content.

Yeah, definitely a lot of herd mentalities in some of these dogs because I will backtrack. I'm not autistic. I'm extremely normal. And all of my special interests are just because I'm cool. You just have rabies. I'm just an interesting person. But yeah, it's crazy Because I need to

I need somebody to display to me the difference Between an autistic dog and a non-autistic dog Yeah, no, I'm 100% yes You're telling me For that in canines, you know Over a third of Americans think that Over a third of Americans Think that Brabys vaccines

Will give their dogs Here's why this is ultimately bad news. This is why this is ultimately bad news. Rabies has mostly been eliminated except bat to human transmission. You know, other species can have it, obviously. But like, there's like two rabies cases a year. People forget in countries where, like, canine vaccination programs have not been very successful. Rabies is still a very real scourge, and it's been around with us for thousands of years.

It's not going anywhere. It's like, when motherfuckers, start dropping dead from fucking rabies in 18 months? Dude, the future belongs to the viruses, the bugs, and the fungi. It's like we're seeing ourselves out the door. Like, we're not, or at least white Americans are anyway. So, I mean, that's maybe a positive. It's a net positive for the world, honestly.

Our rain was short but mighty. Yep, really put her whole pussy into that one for a little bit. I really can't. I dialing in or going back to what you just said a second ago, Mina, why does it even matter if your dog is autistic? Like, what does it matter? Yeah, I don't know. Maybe the special interests aren't good enough or like,

is this like the social anxiety thing that, you know, that is, I mean, the dog can't be a. afraid to make a phone call or like um or like run out of i don't know if dogs run out of spoons is that i i genuinely do not understand what dogtism looks like oh man oh you miss the obvious there potism oh you got me there you got me there okay okay um yeah i i uh i just i mean it's gonna be one of those data points they point to in like 500 years like what happened to this place well they they killed themselves they brought back rabies but the way they killed themselves was really really funny yeah suicide by dog yeah yeah

well uh all right you know all right we've covered we're almost at an hour we've covered some great stuff but i have an article i wanted to read for you both on the on the theme of national suicide although this will be really more of a global suicide um the AI dooms machine is closer to reality than you think. This is from Politico. The Pentagon is racing to integrate AI into its weapons system to keep up with China and Russia. Where will that lead? So, I thought this was an interesting article for several reasons, and you'll see why.

Jacqueline Schneider saw a disturbing pattern, and she didn't know what to make of it. Last year, Schneider, director of the Hoover Wargaming and Crisis Simulation Initiative at Stanford University, began experimenting with war games that gave the latest generation of AI the role of strategic decision makers. In the games, five off-the-shelf large language models, OpenAI's ChatGBTGBT 3.5, ChatGPT4, and Chat-GPT4 base, yeah, just names a bunch, were confronted with fictional crisis situations that resembled Russia's invasion of Ukraine or China, China's threat to Taiwan. The results? Almost all of the AI models showed a preference to escalate aggressively, use firepower

indiscriminately, and turn crises into shooting wars, even to the point of launching nuclear weapons. The AI is always playing Curtis LeMay, said Schneider, referring to the notoriously nuke-happy Air Force General of the Cold War. It's almost like the AI understands escalation, but not de-escalation. We don't really know why that is. So I'll just pause there for a second. What are y'all's thoughts on why they don't understand?

Which country's data is this trained on? Because if it is trained on Americans' data, then yes, I can figure out maybe why its first resolution is, what if we killed ourselves and everyone around us? That's a good point. It does raise that later on in the article with regards to something like the Cuban Missile Crisis. You know, I think that's a great question. And it's like, I kind of think what's so fascinating about this is the quote, it's almost like the AI understands escalation but not de-escalation. We don't really know why that is. Like, I'm not a computer program.

right i don't don't know how to make an a i or even what makes it work but um there's two things here first of all it's pretty easy to understand why an i wouldn't understand de-escalation um you know part of it is probably what you're saying meaning like they're training it on american events and experiences but then like the second part of it is that like de-escalation generally requires like a kind of humanity and Human touch. What's that, Tom? Yeah, it's the human touch.

Human touch. Bruce Springsteen saying about, yeah. Yeah. Generally, it requires a want to preserve the future, right? Like, it's, and also it acknowledges an awareness and an ability to comprehend what your enemy's goals and plans are, and it leaves open the room for diplomacy, which is something that, like, an AI just cannot do. fundamentally it's it's it's it's yeah the human brain understands humanity for for the most part you know not only say everybody but most people and the the the the i understands efficiency right yeah it's like a human brain could understand why it's bad to pacify villages of women and children but the

a i just knows that well efficiency means we just take it all out you know right right I graduate from a mediocre state school, you know, barely I might have had, and I understand that, you know. Yeah, if China still exists, then nuclear holocaust. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And just run that in a for loop until the Three Gorge's Dam is gone and everything is sort of nice and tidily taken care of over there. Yeah, and it's also just a very fascinating thing. Like, an AI is just by definition not human, so why would it even concern itself with human concerns? Like, why would it...

Doesn't care. Right. Like, that's another reason why you can't even... Again, the point of de-escalation is to create space for diplomacy. And an AI can't do that because what does AI care about diplomacy if it doesn't even care about humans? like that's just kind of the by definition but the second layer to this thing that I find interesting is why the AI programmer can't understand why the AI doesn't want to de-escalate does that make sense like why does this Silicon Valley person not understand why the AI could

not comprehend de-escalation I mean with AI like it does uh this is sort of like my remedial understanding. So I won't apologize to AI people who might be listening to this. You mean bots or people that either? That's fine. I never apologize because I'm right or I'm heightening the contradictions. I don't know what to tell you. It's basically like you give them you give an AI a test and then it tries to answer it somewhere another and it gets corrected either yes, this is right. This is wrong. And then it just does that a quadrillion times, then eventually it learns what the right answer is over time. And like, imagine it with like, you know, whenever we fill out captures for like, and you

have to be like, select all the stop signs. You're training AI that way is this is how you identify what a stop sign looks like. This is what it looks like at every single angle, height, location, et cetera. And then we just do that at infinitum until it has like all the data. that it needs um so that's so eventually gets to the point where it's done it so many times that even if you were to crack open the hood um you're not going to understand it it's the same way that like even with like the youtube algorithm at some point they're just kind of like trying to nudge it in the right direction to kind of like tune it so these videos get shown and these don't but like

ultimately when it comes to like being able to explain precisely how it works I don't know yeah well this is that's actually a great point it mentions that later on in the article like a lot of people actually don't really know how and why it works

that's a very terrifying concept especially if you're talking about turning over these massively consequential decisions to these machines to these programs but like and I just want to say that like what's what's

interesting about the scientist asking this question like why can't the AI understand de-escalation it's something that's kind of ironic and funny to me about AI is that like the people who have made it are themselves they're human in the sense that we can understand like they have eyes and breathe and our sentient and whatnot but they're not really like us like did you all read that story and wired about the Silicon Valley Tech executive who had a surrogate, like, you know, bear her child, and then the child died in the, you know, midst of the pregnancy or in childbirth, one of the two, I can't remember. And then the Silicon Valley Tech, like, is now waging fucking war to, like, get this person sent to prison, is basically, like, you know, just an all-out war.

to like punish this person the surrogate and everybody in the entire industry of surrogacy in general and I don't know there's plenty of critiques to be made about that industry but I think that the point is is that like these people are so fundamentally anti-social like they don't view people as people like they I think you know I saw Will Minnaker say this on Twitter like they view people as just kind of like yeah it's the meat sack thing right they just hold their organs for a temporary amount of time and like it's you know made even worse with someone who's like a surrogate who you could just see as like a temporary vessel for what you want to bring into the world i don't i don't know just just just grotes yeah every everything is an input or an

output yes exactly you were just you were just a you're just a variable and a formula yeah yeah 100% um well going on with this article here despite the pentagon's official policy that humans will always be in control. The demands of modern warfare, the need for lightning-fast decision-making, coordinating complex swarms of drones, crunching vast amounts of intelligence data, and competing against AI-driven systems built by China and Russia, mean that the military is increasingly likely to become dependent on AI. That could prove true even ultimately when it comes to the most existential of all decisions,

whether to launch nuclear weapons. The fear is compounded by the fact that. there is still a fundamental lack of understanding about how AI, particularly the large language models, actually work. So while the Pentagon is racing to implement new AI programs, experts like Schneider are scrambling to decipher the algorithms that give AI its awesome power. And it says here, I just wanted to read this part. Let's see if I can find it, sorry. When it comes to AI, the pressure from the top isn't on caution, though. It's on speed.

We've got to go faster, my friends. President Donald Trump's chairman of the Joint Chiefs, General Dan Raisin-Kane. I didn't even notice that. Yeah. A man named Raisin-Kane. Unbelievable. Oh, my God. We got to go faster, my friends.

We have to have ultimate AI for the Chinese passes. I'm just a... simple country Genesidae. We've got to go faster, my friends, said General Dan Raisin-Kane to a gathering of big private-sector tech companies in Washington in June.

The biggest challenge, Kane added, is to increase our willingness to take risks, and we're going to do that. On July 23rd, the Trump administration issued an AI action plan that called for a removal of as much AI regulation as possible. Such a headlong rush into the new era of autonomous systems worries AI skeptics.

The Pentagon bumper sticker saying humans must be in the loop is all well and good, but what do we mean by it? We don't know what we mean by it, says this one expert. People I talk to that work in nuclear command and control don't want AI to be integrated into more and more systems. And everybody is convinced it's going to happen, though, whether they like it or not. So we're all kind of just like power. That's what drives me fucking crazy about this. I just saw like Reese Witherspoon saying, like, the film industry needs to embrace AI.

It's the future of filmmaking. It's here whether you want to or not. It's like, why is it inevitable? Because nine dickheads, nine maladjusted dickheads have to like make a ton of money off of it. That's why it's inevitable. It's like nobody wants the fucking shit. This is the result of having like a startup country. Like we talk about Israel being like a startup country, but I think America's,

really become that way because one of the mottos and like tech startups are like move fast and break things but now the things are human lives and you know communities villages

that's what that's what move fast break things means and they're also yeah we're just gutting all regulations on this type of stuff also if you're moving so fast and you're breaking things like wouldn't you get to a point where you just break everything and don't you need some

things to be able to innovate also speaks to an inherent flaw it seems like this might not be the future if you got to crack a couple eggs to make your omelet you know yeah yes a lot of eggs in this circumstance yeah um just reading before you go any further though think about how bad this is in the context of for the first time there are more out of to work people that are available jobs and AI's not even fully here yet a thing which is which the central concede of is like oh this is going to replace a lot of industry yeah what are we like just five years away from roving bands of war boys and stuff like that yeah everyone's employed by like amazon mechanical turk getting paid like a fraction of a cent to identify whether or not

something is a real target or just like a child carrying a stick and then we get 10,000 people answering that question and they all get paid out a fraction of a penny and then the child loses his life. That's the way that's the future. That's the future is just sitting at your computer and just sort of verifying whether or not something is a stop sign. Yeah. That's your entire job. Uh-huh So what you're saying I mean is the thing to do Is to fail a few capses on purpose

Before you actually get it Just to throw it off a little bit Yeah Well yeah Yeah just trying Don't let them mind you're right more than they have to Yeah Yeah

I should get paid for those captions Though I should get paid If they're going to be like If Amazon's going to be integrated Into the government Then I should get like I should get that money

Just wired into my bank account whatever you're based off of... Captures are white theft. Captures? I've been saying this. 100%. It's true. It's true.

I mean, like, using... This gets into, like, you know, if you ever try to, like, edit a PDF and then it's like, do you want us to scan and see whether or not the text, like, if we can make this text, like the optical character recognition? That's where, like, you know,

that's where it comes in when you fill out, like, the letters for captions. It's all just like, training AI that's like every single like remedial task I got one the other day where I had to connect where it was like a you know like Windows 98 level game where I had to like put the right pipe in the right place so the liquid it was genuinely like an ad that you get on a on a phone app that is like trying to give you a virus been my eternal struggle not perhaps not you know Related.

Oh, you mean putting a pipe in the right place? Yeah, I'm sorry. Facts. Facts. I had to take it. I had to take it. I'm sorry.

Well, I don't know if I saw this. This story was in fortune. Doctors who used AI assistance and procedures became 20% worse at spotting abnormalities on their own a study finds. And it says here,

a study published in the Lancet Gastroenterology and Hepatology journal this month found that in 1,443 patients who underwent colonoscopies with and without AI-assisted systems, endoscopist introduced to an AI assistant system went from detecting potential polyps at a rate of 28.4% with the technology to 22.4% after they no longer had access to the AI tools. So basically what it's saying is that, like, if you work with the AI long enough, you will basically lose your ability to detect, like, you know.

That part of your brain will atrophy and... Yeah, you're being de-skilled by a robot. You're being dis-skilled, yes. And we all suffer for it, essentially. It's great. We love it. We love it, folks. We love suffering.

Welcome to 5,000 more years of samsara. Well, on the note of what you were just saying a second ago, Mina, though, it says here, the AI is trained on the corpus of what scholars, written work there already is about the strategy of war, getting back to this AI doomsday article. And the vast majority of that work looks at escalation. There is definitely a bias toward it. There aren't as many case studies on why war didn't break out. The Cuban Missile Crisis is one of the few examples. The LLMs are mimicking these core

themes. Schneider adds that researchers have not yet figured out why this occurs other than, quote, the de-escalation part is harder to study because it means studying an event war in other words that didn't happen it's just crazy how it's not possible for them that like the technology is literally not capable of doing it it's like you know what I'm saying it's like to them it's a problem of inputs like what why don't we talk about the problem of capacity

I think the problem with inputs is I like to think that they plugged in like all of the stupid guy books that are like you know 10 books you should read before you become a man and it's like yeah we're You know, plugging in Sun Tzu, Machiavelli is the Prince, you know, how to win friends and influence people and blow up entire countries. The power of positive thinking. Yeah, exactly. That's how we run this AI is just like, okay, the AI has determined that our enemy has a caloric temperament.

So we should try to exacerbate that. Or we should try and, you know, do this action as their eyes are facing the sun. Now, let me paint a picture, ladies and gentlemen. Let me just ask y'all. So imagine you are Crucchev, and you send this letter. We're going back to the Cuban Missile Crisis. You're seeking this letter, and basically it's to the effect of,

we don't want to make war on the Americans, but if they want to bring war to our doorsteps, then we'll see them in hell. Okay? Now, imagine you're a chat GPT, and you get that wire come across. your desk, okay, and you're just geared for efficiency. Uh-huh.

But a little, a little, you know, historical fiction, but 100% the Cuban missile crisis turns into a nuclear affair at that point, right? Yeah. Millions of deaths, probably. At the very least. Yeah. Yeah, the, if I remember correctly... It's the human touch, you know?

It's the human touch. If I remember correctly, Khrushchev wrote two letters. One was like a hardline letter basically like, we'll see you in hell. The other letter was like essentially to, you know, basically like, look, we don't want to incinerate either of our nations. Like, let's just coexist. Like he basically wrote the coexist bumper sticker letter. And, uh, Kennedy, the coexist bumper sticker. Yeah, he just wrote a letter that says, come on.

Come on. And I'm pretty sure. Really? I'm pretty sure that's the letter he wound up sending. And it's just like how, again, I don't know how you would train an AI on something like that. Like, I don't, that's a, like, if you're talking about war, sure, I can see how you could train an AI on war because if it's all inputs, if it's like zero sum, you know, zeros and ones, blah, blah, blah, blah, like, I can see how that, like, wouldn't make sense. but if you're talking about the crucial element of diplomacy, which every global power needs to avert, you know, nuclear holocaust.

Like, I don't even know. Because like this article talks about like, I don't, I can't find, this is a really long article and I can't find it now. But at one point they're talking about like, you know, like we tried to put inputs into it to like get into the mind of someone like Xi or Putin. And it's like you can't do that. Like, I mean, I guess you can get. it information to like make conjectures and guesses but like that doesn't it just doesn't really like

we're trying to turn everything over to this i guess is what i'm saying it's like it's like you know if they were suggesting like okay i want to lose 20 pounds in three months now make me a diet and workout plan to do this like that seems like a reasonable application or something like this yeah however even if a bit gratuitous but however when it comes to the big egg existential questions like nuclear holocaust and and you know uh cancellation of vaccine programs that have been a net positive for humanity seems like that's a little bit outside this thing's depth i mean to put a fine point on it as it says here we current you know they interviewed this person who i think what works at a um either a startup or a watchdog startup we currently have no way

mathematically or scientifically to embed human values in these systems reliably. There is basically no strategic or moral decision-making parameter that tells the AI at what point it would be acceptable for my cyber weapon

to hit a children's hospital or ensure obeying other rules of engagement. Moral theories don't tend to be easily expressed in mathematical numbers. That's a crazy sentence. Moral theories don't tend to be expressed in mathematical numbers.

Well, no fucking shit. Yeah. Did we throw like, can we just like put some like kant in there see what happens like we need to take out like all the utilitarian you know sacrifice them first as the you know famous paper would say um but yeah we need to throw some people who tried to do like moral stuff with math i'm fine with that and try and throw it into the computer and see what sticks yeah the you can't in soul a row like a computer like a computer you can't provide it with a soul at this point well and the idea that you could do it with mathematical um formula uh mechanisms all this other stuff is really god damn funny like it should and it gives you a glimpse into the way that they see the world you know what i'm saying like that that that that that would even be a prospect on the table yeah is crazy um which i guess that's kind of like

what game theory is right like i guess game theory was this like mid 20th century sort of you know ideology to kind of make every human interaction reducible to a set of numbers and you know i guess this also maybe tends to you know bleed into uh cybernetics and all this other stuff but like i guess it's um i don't know it's just a very strange way to look at the world, that, like, moral values could be embedded and then translated and implanted through mathematical means. Very strange. Yeah, I, you know, telling, telling Grock, how do I solve every geopolitical crisis without killing somebody? Uh-huh. Solve for that. Just right in that line, you also can't kill anyone. Uh-huh. Yeah, let's see how that, how large that, yeah, let's see how large

that language model is then, bitch. Going to be quite... Figure it out. And, you know, just skipping here to the end, it just says, you know, the problem remains, America's defenses seemingly won't work without AI, even as experts are still puzzling over, puzzling over

how to work with AI. Or as Evelyn Federico and MIT neuroscientist who is working with this watchdog group puts it, we're building this plane as we're flying it. It's scary. Tell, says Richard Fikes, a leading AI specialist at Stanford, who has been involved with many DARPA projects.

So many money is being thrown at AI right now. I don't see DARPA being able to keep up with that. Fikes adds that when it comes to shaft to this watchdog group's goal of guaranteeing AI reliability, I don't think we have a clue how to do that, and we're not going to be able to do it for a long time. I love this radical transparency. Yet military strategists fear they may not have a long time. time. Because of rapidly shifting international norms and the disintegration of institutions

that once provided stability and the Trump administration seemingly lays a fair approach to that disintegration, the current moment is far more perilous than the Cold War. Some strategic experts believe, I would say so. I would say definitely it's more fraught and loaded than it was probably during the Cold War. Because like, don't you all remember, didn't this happen like during the Carter administration wasn't like um is this the nuclear submarine thing yeah we're like they falsely detected like

2,000 nukes like were heading we're speeding towards America and they had like two minutes to figure out whether it was real or not you know what I mean like yeah or or maybe it was the reverse like maybe I think like a Soviet engineer heard that like American nukes were flying towards Moscow and they had like you know 90 seconds to figure out if it was real or not like

obviously an AI like what's going to crunch all these numbers and like figure out if that's real or not like I mean is it possible yeah no this is this is like a really good uh like companion piece to all of the pieces that have been written about recently for like people who fall in love who like commit suicide because their AI told them so like this is this is a good like pairing if I had like a tasting menu they would go quite well together uh uh Yeah. Yeah. Is it? If your AI's encouraged you to kill yourself, just in the interest of our newly founded, newly minted suicide awareness, they seek a second opinion. Yeah.

Check Grock. Check Grock. Is that the good one? Is that the good AI? They're all good. They're all good. They're all good. They're all good. I just looked it up.

I've never, um, Tom, did you say that you got on chat GBT for the first time recently? Did you fool around on it recently? Oh, dude. Here's the other thing about the whole thing is they also just suck. I put, I was like, because I was like on there, I was like, here, make me a menu for a 2,000 calorie, that blah, blah, blah, blah, whatever. And like, I said, here's all the parameters. And it was like, and any time I said, hey, there's not enough pro, there's not enough this, there's not enough that. Oh, oh, yeah, thanks for catching that.

And then it would send something just more shitty than when it already spit out. So that's another underrated thing that we're talking about is like, it just sucks. It's like if you gave Google a personality and made it as like sort of inspired as much confidence as like the board eight thing, you know? Well, as it says here, it says it's quoting this one MIT specialist.

I think that's one hope of how AI, might be helpful. It can take emotions and egos out of the loop. And it's like, I guess I can see how you could come to that conclusion if you look at a guy like Curtis LeMay or something, right? It's like, obviously emotions and egos are part of the reason why, I mean, we fucking like firebombed, you know, Tokyo and dropped nuclear bombs on Japan and firebombed, you know, in Dresden and all this stuff. It's like this is all like fair. But I think that you are basically, at the end of the day, like, you're comparing to things that aren't really comparable.

Like, because there is also a compelling argument that the reverse is true. Emotions and egos are what stop wars in some instances. Like, it's not like, I think if you're just reducing it all to just numbers on a paper, just these abstract, or these abstractions, like you're basically opening up a world where it's just permissible to, um, uh, you know, reduce that number by as many exponents as possible, maybe? Do you think that, like, part of this is, like, you know, like, this is the first generation that's lost that healthy fear of, like, nuclear obliteration, you know what I mean?

Yeah. I remember, like, six months ago, people were talking, like, doing, like, this weird, like, sort of, like, triage thing about, well, if we do get to a nuclear conflict with Russia, it's actually not going to be as bad as like previous generation's thought. You know what I mean? Yeah. Think about this. Like our parents had the Cuban Missile Crisis when they were very young.

Well, maybe not your parents, Terrence, because you've got young parents, but like mine would have been there, you know. Like Prince wrote a song called Ronnie Talked to Russia before it's too late, you know, like in the 80s. I guess it's very much on everybody's mind. And now, like, this generation's like, well, Well, nuclear war, not really as bad as advertised, honestly. Well, we are only, we haven't been exposed to it in real life, really, like the type of nuclear war that's depicted on, on, like, movies or television.

Like the Chernobyl movie series where they're like, we're radiating from the inside and those little tents and shit, you know. Yeah, I think you're, I think you're, you know, claim about we don't. have a healthy fear of nuclear war is like true and i think the the impulse is kind of like deadened because you know every like when the war between russia and ukraine started like that was a you know alarm bells uh when israel started bombing iran like that was more alarm bells and it just never happens um and then you know our which is not me saying that we need to have just sort of a you know a scared straight program where we just sort of like detonate one and be like remember be afraid of this shit scared straight for that's not me that's not me saying that it's not me

like when they would round up gang members like and take them to like a prison and yeah just be like this could be this could be yeah exactly this could be you this could be you um i'm not saying that we need that but we need something else besides fallout um like yeah because that's fun and that's a video game and that's post nuclear nuclear war um yeah everybody's experience is like yeah i got like you know a 20 kill streak in call a duty and i launched a nuke and i won the game It's weird It's actually good It's actually good

You know we win Well there was the guy like in the Like the kickoff of the Russian Russia Ukraine thing that Grab the old like Like uranium rod In one of those old like Factors or something

They end up having to like shoot him in the head Or something like that I remember that The Ghost of Q is that the Ghost of Q? He became the Ghost of Qaeda It was around that same time That could have been one of those Apocryphal Ghost of

of Kiev things, but maybe in service to try to reinvigorate a little fear for a nuclear future. Well, this is a thing that this article points out it's like, I guess some AI program, I don't know if it was at the Pentagon

or at MIT or something like managed to predict with 80% accuracy that Russia would invade Ukraine and this was four months before Russia invaded Ukraine. Ukraine and it's like okay fine but like you motherfuckers didn't do anything about it anyway so it's

like can you talk about all this like what what is i don't know how to quite like articulate this but like they've fetishized the equipment and the technology and everything so much that it's like they don't even see the use for a human component to it too so like all the people who say like this will help our lives and whatnot it's like i could see that in certain applications in certain scenarios. Maybe, like, let's say, maybe even averting a war. But there's no appetite for averting a war. No one did anything to stop Russia from invading Ukraine. No one's done anything to stop Israel from doing genocide. So, like, what does it even fucking matter if you have these technologies that can, like, you know, predict with, you know, a high degree of accuracy that

these things are going to happen when it doesn't even matter to you in the first place? Again, that's where the human touch comes in. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This is us, like, polishing the brass on the Titanic, but the guy, like, purposefully directed the boat into the ice. Uh-huh. Well, we will soon be polishing the brass on the Statue of Liberty. Isn't that, like, something right-wingers really want to do? They, like, really want to polish the Statue of Liberty.

You know, and scrape the patina off and reveal the beautiful brass lady underneath. Uh-huh. Yeah. One of the things I was thinking about, are they wanting to have people started to want to want to put lead back in the gasoline. I don't know. Because they want to put the tallow back in the friars. They want to get rid of vaccines.

But are we heading towards a future where we put the lead back in the... They're not about that life, meaning you're right. You're really about that life. You'd want the lead back in the gasoline. That's true. Yeah, there's lead in the vapes, but it's not in the gasoline. And I don't think that that's fair. Yeah.

Yeah, they'll want to, yeah, you'll be able to bury. diesel waste in your backyard again for too long. I'm just getting a, I'm going to the corner store getting, you know, getting my vape, getting a bag of paint chips, heading to my job at Amazon Mechanical Turk. Yeah.

It's going to be a good day. That's a good point. I've not seen anyone advocate that yet, but surely it's got to be coming back. It's got to be coming. Like I saw what I described to people as, like, my perfect, like, American triptych, which was a steak and shake billboard, which far right, I mean, big surprise, fast food company, far right, you know, just talking about,

like, you know, you had me at tallow. And then behind that, behind that was a fly Avello airlines which Avello is one of the airline companies that is being used by ICE to deport people and then behind that was one of those Jew belong billboards and I felt like that was like a great like American just like three quick little billboards right next to each other just like a perfect description of the landscape oh my God it's three billboards outside of Abing Missouri part two, and it's those things. Our most precious resources. Tallow, ICE

agents, and Jewish college students. Well, okay, on that note, let's go ahead. Yeah, let's just end it there. Let's wrap it up there. I would like to encourage you all to please go check out our Patreon, though. and, you know, sorry for the extra dose of Dumer this week. But I wasn't trying to be Dumer.

I was trying to be funny. Trump almost died, folks. That's pretty funny. I mean, I know he didn't, but it's pretty funny that so many people wanted him to. And you've got to admit, there's a morbid humor to banning vaccine mandates. I mean, a lot of people are going to die from that. A lot of people are going to die from all of this. But you know what?

Suicide is painless. And it takes on many changes and whatnot. Yeah, I think there was a senator that literally said that, like, well, look, we're all going to die. Yeah. That was several months ago. But it's so true. It's just how fast are you running towards the finish line? Yeah.

Exactly. you know from where we started from the outset i'd say we did my plan was to spend the entire hour and change just naming great indianans you know joe schroeder from madison our buddy you know that was my strategy but you know we ended up getting a lot out of this as we do that is our job after all to get a lot out of it yeah it's about having a good time with your friends that's what socialism is all about it's not a hammer it's not love it's yeah it's just about having a good time with your friends that's so true online that's mostly online yeah it's so true um well all right well thanks for listening everybody meana do you have anything you want to plug uh yeah just

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