Trillbilly Worker's Party - Episode 409: Throwing The Circuit Breaker

Episode Date: September 11, 2025

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Okay. Welcome to the show this week. Everybody, it's me and Tom right now. We'll be joined by Aaron here shortly. But before we really get into the meat of today's episode, I really need to make an announcement. We obviously live in a very difficult time where public figures, they come and go, like the tides, the changing of the seasons, the waxing and waning, moon, whatnot. And obviously we are gathered here today to make a tribute to someone who dearly departed yesterday, dearly departed this world whose fame and accomplishments and impact on this world will far outlast their time here and who deserves far more tribute than we could ever give them. I'm, of course, referring to the racehorse Haru Arura Urara. I fucked up her name, didn't I told myself I wouldn't cry if you brought this up. There's a really great documentary if you get a chance called, I think it's something to the effect of the patron saint of losers everywhere or something like that. But actually, I do get a little misty eye.

But Harirara lost 110 straight races. Uh-huh. And then in Japan, her losing racing totes became good luck symbols, kind of like rabbit's feet, almost. Mm-hmm. And she passed away yesterday at the ripe old age of 29. Pretty good run for a racehorse, honestly. Yeah, great run for a racehorse. 29 years old.

Turns out I didn't know this until Gracie was talking about it. But horses tend to live about 30 years. That's pretty good. I didn't know that. Because I don't know. I mean, my family broke horses, my whole life and all that stuff. And we just, they're always transient, you know, like we'd have them for a couple of years. And they've just moved on somewhere or somebody would have them.

So I never really knew. I never really saw a horse from birth from womb to tomb. So 30 years, pretty good. Pretty good. You never saw a mother horse lick the goop off of her baby? No, I think my uncle's, uh, shielded me from that. I did, I did however, one time in an equine science class have to put on a glove and stick my hand up a horse. What was it like? Was it extreme pressure? Did your hand feel

very squished in the horse's rectum? Honestly, I disassociate. I disassociate. I just tried not to think about what was happening right there. You saw yourself, you were hovering above yourself, seeing yourself from above, stick your hand in a horse's ass. I guess is that like, that's probably not anatomically correct. If you're artificially insiminating the horse, it's probably not in the rectum, correct?

Yeah, it wasn't in the rectum. No, no, no, no. The vulva. You're in the vulva by that point, brother. Yeah. They're calling the reverse canpinion. Uh-huh. Okay, take that out.

I'm sorry, that was awful. Why is it awful? I don't want to get into that. It was not sexual in nature. It was animal husbandry. Yeah, I see what you're saying. I mean, the horse has the largest, I think it has the longest digestive tract

of any mammal. It's why they can live on just grass. It's like this fucking massive animal that, you know, like we have to have like, what, fucking 2,000 calories a day or some shit, But, you know, if you subscribe to the protein model currently popular, you have to have like 8 million grams of protein. But horses can just eat grass all day, and they're good.

And look how muscular they are. Yeah. It's because they're... I think we've been sold a bill of goods about proteins' role in muscular development. I know it's important, but I don't think it's the end-all-be-all. Well, to be fair, it's because the horse's digestive tract can break down grass into proteins in a way that the human digestive tract cannot. So, like, that's, they can get all kinds of fucking proteins and nutrients out of that grass, bro.

Whereas we, we got to, you know, consume flesh and... We can't really digest greens, right? We just, like, that's why it's fiber for us, right? We just poop it out. Me personally, I can't. My shit comes exactly out the way it went in, usually. Uh-huh. Yeah, I've found that what I feel best is just when I eat a bunch of rice.

which is not necessarily good for getting jacked always but you know you got carbs which are basically sugars yeah yeah man RIP Harvard RRR she's immortalized on my wall she has zero wins and 113 losses

her unbroken losing streak was covered by Japanese media in 2003 she's a beautiful horse too she has some interesting scars on her face I wonder she's probably seen some shit. I liked her silks. She had a hell-old kitty silks. Nice little cultural touchstone. On May 18, 2019, Haru Irara ran in the first soft girls gathering, a time trial race for older horses. During her run, she achieved a time of 16.5,4 seconds, and was put into first place,

achieving victory and marking this is her very first win. So she got a win before she. Hey. Yeah. So every dog has its day, you know. There's a lesson in there for us. Keep plugging. Even if you've taken an unfathomably long string of ales, keep at it. Keep at it. Uh, well, speaking of an infathomably long string of else. God damn, man, what a weird day, huh?

We are gathered here today to talk about the, uh, ongoing saga of the American years of lead. Um, which we've been, we've been ahead of the curb on that. I mean, unfortunately. Dude, it is, for posterity. We're recording this on 9-11, by the way. It's September 11th. The symbolic gesture, which is not lost on. Oh, man.

Yeah. It's September 11th. We're recording this on, you know, a day which will, the day after a day, which will live in infamy. You know, obviously the big news is that Charlie Kirk, founder and leader of TPUSA, was gunned down yesterday on a college campus in Utah, Utah Valley University. You know, it's weird, like it kind of got, you know, cover, like that news was obviously so insane. I mean, everybody's talking about it, right? I was in the gym this morning, and people were talking about it.

Everybody. Dude, it's like, it kind of speaks to how successful their media strategy's been over the last couple of years when, like, friends of mine who are totally apathetic about this stuff are familiar with, like, Charlie Kirk, but have no idea what I do. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. Or have no idea about chopo or Trouinon or any other shows in, like, our constellation, you know,

that are, like, bigger than us, obviously. but like but they are very attuned to the like sort of right wing sphere you know yeah you pointed this out yesterday like even just 10 years ago these were pretty fringe people like matt walsh uh charlie kirk Christopher rufo these were people that no one would know in regular day-to-day home yeah and and now it's like look you know the tone i tried to strike in my group chats yesterday was like, and it's, I mean, it's the tone I strike in Ralph. Like, I'm a human being, and I obviously don't like to see people get shot through the throat from sniper fire at 200 yards.

But, like, you also have to be honest and candid about somebody's legacy, you know, and, like, the thing that, like, I tried to keep it between the lines yesterday, but, like, the thing that riled me up so much is, like, like, my friends talking about, like, oh, he just, it's a sad world we live in when you just get gunned down for having a different opinion. And it's like, guys, he said black people were better off before, like, in the slave days. Yeah. You know, and I just started going to, like, just listen to things. It's like, I understand how we're all rightly, like, disturbed by seeing people murdered

because, like, Americans have not really had to contend with the, like, looming specter of that. Well, I mean, I shouldn't say that. I mean, John Q, I'm not talking about, you know, obviously people in the black community. Mexican people doing with these ice raids and all this stuff. But like white middle America has not really had a campaign of terrors or like had to like really look over their shoulder in the way that a lot of other Americans have and a lot of other people around the world have. Yeah.

But like when I started seeing comparisons to Malcolm X and Martin King and like all this. And I'm just like, boys, okay, first of all, stop. Dude. Did any of you all know who he was before today and be honest? why is that why it's it's funny that it's become a meme that like you're you know least favorite people from high school are posting about charlie kirk like he's god damn otty murphy or some shit i saw someone be like i saw someone say uh if they can get charlie kirk they can they can get any of it's like this this man wasn't exactly achilles he wasn't

some fucking battlefield warrior oh my well dude it's the same thing it's it's it's a similar thing that happens where like when you're struck down in your prime you get you get like a bump you know what I mean yeah happened to Kirk Cobain happened to Biggie happened to Tupac happened to Bob Marley and I'm not I'm not putting them in the same

category as Charlie Kirk obviously and I'm not saying that they weren't great artists in their own right but there is something that happens to you when you are failed in your prime that like elevates your status past maybe what it would have been over the long haul or Like if you had a more complete arc to your, like, creative career, whatever it is, you're doing your life in general. Yeah.

You know, it adds an element of, I don't know, like. Nobility and virtue and, uh, legend. Marterdom, basically. Maybe that's part of the Christian culture, another guy that was, that was failed in his prime, Jesus H. Christ, you know. Well, I think it's... Maybe he set the tone, you know what I mean? I think it kind of fits into my theory that we were currently living.

in the inverted 1960s like we're currently living in the counterculture that is that is true it's just like all of the you know and I noticed this when a few years ago someone had posted a

ethnography or oral interview oral history with hippies on Hayd Astorbury from the 1960s and all the things they were saying in that video just about how like we need to be eating natural foods we're being poisoned by chemicals in the government.

Like we need to get back to the land, get back to the roots, like get back to authenticity, all this. It's a one-to-one to what right-winger say now. Yeah, except they also say stuff like, congratulations to George Floyd for being five-year-sober. And then we want to do hand-wringing when you're like, like, whatever.

I'm not going to tone police anybody about taking a victory left on Charlie Kirk or whatever. But it's like these motherfuckers that are like, saying that all the left's vile and this that and the third we've been doing that shit on people that had no power no influence yeah yeah yeah yeah i mean you know yeah i mean we can get into it it's it's it's truly a it's the inverted it's the inverted it's the counter counterculture yeah like they've now got their own martyrs i mean it's like

with the 60s left had it's like MLK Malcolm X Walter ruther you know what I mean RFK and now it's like you've got the invert version of that with RFK Jr., right, like being a major figure in this, and now they've got their, like, comparison, this man shouldn't even be in the same fucking sentence, not even in the same, you know, epistemological framework as Martin Luther King. Charlie Kirk's ideas were a one-to-one with George Wallace or Jefferson Davis, and meanwhile, you've got the fucking New York Times writing about him doing politics the right way. It's like, would you say that about Jefferson Davis or George Wallace?

Would the New York Yankees honor Jefferson Davis or George Wallace? Would they? Would they? Because there's no daylight between those views. And in fact, there's certain circumstances you could argue Kirk's were maybe a tad worse, tad to the right of that. Yeah, it's just, it's really. Not Jefferson Davis, but. Right, right, right.

Welcome to the podcast, Aaron Thorpe. how it's up fellas how's it going uh good i i i you know we just been kind of like covering some of the basics so far we have not actually gotten into any of the uh you know the the the the fine details of what happened just you know just the fact that like this guy has his politics were no difference than jefferson davis or uh what i mean do okay i need to go ahead like before we get into it

I'm not trying to like, I personally struggled with this, all right? Like, it was very, it was very, primarily because the video was so goddamn awful. I mean, it's like, I told Tom yesterday that it, it reminded me very much of when the circuit or the district judge in Whitesburg, Kevin Mullen got shot, Kevin Mullen's got shot by Mickey Steins. It's like, it's like, this guy I saw every day, but didn't like. Like, I knew he was a piece of shit. But I didn't like him, but I still saw him every single day. So he was a fixture in my environment. And then just to see him literally just get blown off the face of the planet, something about it.

It's disorienting. It's disorienting. It fucked me up a little bit. So for a few hours, I was like disassociating kind of myself. I was triggered. I was traumatized. It was in a bad place. It was not good, and I think that's part of the public spectacle of it.

Like, that's the thing. It's like, there's a few things here that, like, make it this very resonant, deep political event, which, you know, may, you know, provided some insight as to who perhaps could have done this. Like, obviously, we're recording this on September 11th, right? Like, before it's really... History is other big, who done it. Yeah. and another deep event right um another day of political violence you could say yeah the mid-september

surprise they call it um but but so like obviously like we don't know anything um i was telling tom i was at the gym this morning and like everybody was talking about it everybody was like there's they were like it's kind of interesting to hear people talk about stuff that like they're not dialed into it in the same way that we are they were like the FBI directors really got a big job on his hands trying to find who this person is like the way they talk about this like and you want to go over there and put your arm around and say brother there really is no fbi i'm it's good from top to bottom it's illegitimate but carry up also to your point terence it is weird that i feel like a part of what i do or i don't want to call it my interest but like i mean i

guess what i do right just being on line and being on the show it felt weird seeing that like intersected into real life you know like people who who've never heard of charlie kirk now you know are suddenly talking about it you know so it was like this really surreal thing where i mean you know again on the one hand this is a guy who you know uh who espouses debate but he's really just cal he's really just talking about white supremacist racialized politics right and trying to agitate anybody that comes into the space with it exactly so for him to be actually like for someone to like you know um to prove him wrong i guess or right perhaps it's already surreal but then again it's a figure that i didn't really think anybody

fucking knew about like nobody knows who the fuck charlie kirk is that's kind of yeah all this stuff about him being the vanguard of modern conservatism like i was just like is he though like i don't feel like he's not i don't think he was a household name before yesterday and like also you know like yeah it's like i was telling i was telling terran before you got on that like you know a lot of guys i went to college with we got a group chat and everybody was like rightly disturbed by that right because like i mean as human beings like i was so i said nobody likes to see anybody get fucking like shot through the throat like on tv or whatever regardless of whether we can debate somebody's worldview and like you know all that kind

of thing but like there's a human part of that and but like where i and i can see that but where I draw the line is where they start making comparisons to him and Martin King you know what I mean that's where I had to say all right boys relax for a second let me just tell you this guy's like you know it's on the record saying that black people were better off in the slaving days

you know what I mean like yeah I mean this is I mean I'm not trying to be edgy here man and I understand you know um as you said Tom like I mean I was actually out and somebody I was just talking to a stranger and they were like Did you know what Charlie Kirk got shot? Here's the video before it before it got deleted. And like I said on Twitter, it was like...

They made you... You know the phenomenon how somebody will make you watch a 12-minute YouTube video? We're going to... The future... The years of land is going to be that movie snuff films. Like, that's literally what it was. And I just saw the jawed carpeaking splurt of blood out of his fucking neck artery, you know? But like, you know, I will...

I just will say, too, though, man. It's like... And I know a lot of people are going to say this. know, but you had the Yankees, I think it was a Yankee Stadium, had a moment of silent. Another white supremacist organization. Famously so. I mean, it's just that the reactions from liberals and conservatives of black, and what else can you expect them to do but to denounce political violence?

But it's just if you really, I think, I think, God, I'm mispronouncing his name, but I think Osita. Now one. Yes, yes, yes. He just posted a bunch of just like, sort of like, just. Charlie Kirk, like, headlines, you know, and just some of his views. And it's just like, okay, you can say that, all right, we, you know, might not agree with political violence.

But, I mean, what this guy was saying, man, I think what Matthew Dowd said it best, right? The things that he was saying, it was at some point, it was going to come back home to him, you know, it was going to boomerang back to him, you know? I don't think you can say things like that and not, I don't know, be subject to consequences. I'm not advocating for anything, but, I mean, this was a heinous human being, you know. who had heinous views man well i tell the truth about that it's kind of

yeah okay so you mentioned Matthew down he got fired by the way for saying that um for saying that like you know it's kind of a classic blowback situation like you can't say these things

without it blowing back on you at some point and he called him divisive like I read I went and read what he said and I was astounded by him how mild it was and that you can get fired for that. For something that measured.

Yeah. But it kind of is showing like how everything is lurching so rapidly and violently to the right. You got everybody from the fucking Yankees to the premier of the Canadian province

Manitoba making statements about Charlie Kirk. Kier-Starmur. Benjamin Yat-N-Yahu. Like who the fuck? Like the death of a podcast. Net Yahoo who beat Trump to.

making comments about this which is we'll stick a pen on that for a second it's just like i like that you said that don't tear us the death of a podcaster you know i hope if i was to get assassinated you know you have people write about obituaries good i i think it's just it's just a sign of the times how vulgar things are that like the death of a of a person who talks for a living not a not a person in power not a general uh not a political operative by any means just a person who fucking spreads bile and hatred all day. He's a vibes mess. Now, let's, let's, for the sake of argument, let's call him a journalist.

Okay, just for the sake of it, let's call him a journalist. And if you're really taking the line on this that, like, you know, I don't like what he had to say, but democracy dies in the dark. And if, you know, the ACLU line, if we don't let Nazis march, then, you know, it's a slippery slope to all of us losing our First Amendment rights and all that stuff. Let's just say for the sake of argument that he was a journalist. like nobody fly no flags and half a mass for all these journalists that Israel's been

murdering for fucking three years you know what I mean trying to get all that like nobody's really concerned with the truth what they're concerned with is this capitulation to the right seeing how the winds are blowing and wanting to get on that so that they're not subject to this years of lead shit I think that's the thing

that's kind of what it comes down to for me it's like seeing people that I knew from a high school or like a family member or someone and like post about this, like this is some great tragedy and whatever. It's like, where the fuck were you when like seven-year-olds in what was that,

Yuvalde, Texas were just getting blown away? I mean, it's like, the amount of, like, wasn't there a school shooting yesterday, too? Yeah, there was literally school shooting yesterday. Yeah, they'd interrupt the Charlie Kirk assassination to shut to bring you the latest Colorado school shooter. Yeah. It's just, I mean, I know that that's, you know,

Nobody's going to give a fuck because we live in the timeline or the world where children's lives are completely expendable and it's like we don't see the deaths of children as having any kind of political content or substance as opposed to the death of this like very public figure. But it's just like I just kind of I just keep returning to that because I made a statement on I made a tweet on Twitter a few. weeks ago to the effect of like you know like um unfortunately like a merit the the average american is not evil they're just completely indifferent and and and and i got some pushback to that and people got a little mad at me but like i i think this kind of bears it out like i'm not talking about in the work i'm not talking about in the workplace i'm not talking about like organizing your workers or organizing tenants i'm talking about just the average american in their day-to-day lives the way they perceive the way the uh you know 20 we have 20 million millionaires

in this goddamn country the way they perceive the the the unfolding and social reproduction of the system they kind of see certain deaths and certain people as expendable whereas this has a deep political resonance to them and that like it gloms on to that indifference and and that's what pushes things farther to the right right right what i'll add to uh i think I think whenever the, you know, so-called political violence, right, like this happens, you know, even critics of Charlie Kirk, I feel like it's such a watershed moment for some people because we already live in this incredibly fraught, um, uh, tense time, right? Yeah. And, and it's like, you know, Charlie Kirk, whether you agree with him or not to these people, he represents like this, this bastion maybe of like a public debate and a symposium. you know yeah yeah where people can work out their differences through dialogue right and for hopefully

come together or if they don't come together at least walk away you know unscath you know and maybe having some respect right and i feel like for a lot of people they held on to this as like you know some sort of like i mean some weather vein you know as if like the wind is pointing in this sudden direction you know yeah because this one guy got killed and i know this is a moot point but when it comes to the school shootings of children, when it comes to the deaths of Palestinians, that's all normalized, right? But this really means that like we're headed down a dark path and these are chilling times, not the fact that we've been engaged in a genocide for the past two years. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What it says to me is that we are desensitized to death that happens

over there to people that don't look like me necessarily, or the people that don't like have the same necessary, like, religious experience or whatever. Like, the average American does not think that they're subject to Israeli sniper fire and getting bombed and, like, the terror that people in Gaza, for example, have to live under in Sudan, the Congo, everywhere else in the world. But, like, they know that America's awash in illegal guns and that, like, we're living under some really fractured times and that, like, getting shot at a college campus is a distinct possibility. And so I think that's why

there's this resonance, whereas like what's happening in Gaza doesn't feel real to them because they know their overwhelming likelihoods that their children will never be subject to that. And I think, and I think too, again, man, again, to kind of circle back to it, I think too that we have such a priority, you know,

as this liberal democracy, we have such a priority of like freedom of speech, right? So it doesn't matter how bad things get, right? Whether it's climate change, whether it's, you know, imperialist, genocide, wars as long as you have the right to say which you want to say

and be free from any harm or injury right like that is like the paragon right of American like I guess just the American experiment you know that you are not subject to authoritarianism for what you believe in you know and consider yeah as I mean I mean anybody that watched Civil War but the

Alex Garland movie you know I mean I think that that work illustrates it the best you know democracy dies in the dark I was trying to sneak one in there It's just Oh God, dude Well, and I think the

I was telling Tom this yesterday Like, I think if anything Like you can pin on him as a kind of like legacy It's the It is the slow mainstreaming of a certain set of ideas Of the new right So obviously Like throughout the 90s and the 2000s, it was still publicly not okay to say things like black people are intellectually inferior to white people.

It was still not okay to like basically go out there and bang the white nationalist drum, even though obviously they did it with dog whistles. They did it in all kinds of ways. But like this guy's books like the bell curve. Yes, exactly. Yeah, like you had the bell curve. Like they tried to do it in these like. really scientific ways like book out very erudite ways yeah yeah yeah it was the guy the guy uh gay scottish dude at the atlantic i think was that oh uh andrew solvin andrew solvin used to do that

shit yeah i mean you know it's this kind of mainstreaming of that set of ideas but i'm just kind of like and me and tom were talking about this before you got on here Aaron that like it kind of shows how we're in a kind of inversion of the 60s. Like, it's kind of the heralding of a new, even though the 60s was not the heralding of a new left-wing era. In fact, it was the death met knell of a certain kind of progressive structuring of the American economy. I guess you could say... In some ways, the politics version of the Bible verse that says there's a form of godliness that denies the power thereof. That would have been the hippie movement and the countercultural movement as sort of like having the

veneer of, you know, an answer going forward, but in the end was just, you know, an impediment to, like, you get an egalitarian project. Yeah. Right, right, right, right. And masturbatory at that point. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. But, like, I think, though, the, there are some similarities, but, like, I, and I can't tell if this current moment is the death knell of the neoliberal era, or if it is the founding, you know, substratum or foundation of a new insane, you know, as you've called it, Aaron, like sort of omnisciental right-wing era. I mean, I will say this. I was listening to this New Yorker journalist on NPR yesterday, and she wrote a story

about this thing called the Right to Know movement. And these right-wingers are, and we talked a little bit about this with Jamie Peck because Tom and I did an interview or an episode about Eddington. but like it's kind of become a thing among right wingers among right wing men uh to get their partner's paternity tested after they have children because they're kind of like obsessed with biologic reproduction obsessed with blood and they've like internalized this idea that like women are promiscuous and that like you know they they cite this thing like one and four children born are are not born to their biological fathers and all this i wonder i wonder how much i just have to say

I wonder how much of that is undergirded by, like, fear of, like, the great replacement and that their white partners are cheating on there with black men, you know what I mean? I think it's... Well, I saw, I did see one case of that at a school in Knox County where I heard a girl plead to a very quizzical, um, principal, uh, that her child had the disease where she didn't get any of her dad's jeans. I was like, well, that's kind of true. That's so tough, dude. A white woman bringing an obviously black baby to the school with a white father. And that man just sitting there straight face, like, yeah, that's one of those just weird things that. I'm sorry, but that's awesome.

A maculacum conception by Yacombe. Yeah, my Yacombe's immaculate conception. That's awesome. She deserves a, for coming up with that, that's awesome. But like where I was going with that is that like, Okay, well, first of all, there's the whole thing, like, because we and Tom were talking about this with Jamie Peck about Eddington, that like I read this story,

someone had posted this from Reddit, where this guy had kind of red-pilled himself on the right-to-know thing, and he was in this marriage of 10 years and then asked his wife for a paternity test for their kid. And... Of 10 years? Of course it was his... Of course it was his kid,

but after that, she was... Like, she gave it to him, but after, and it turned out to be his kid. But after that, she was like, I don't want to be with you anymore. Like, this is, you know, you've violated. Yeah, you violated her trust. Being so paranoid and also that's facilitated by these people, right, like these great replacement people, these Nazis that are terrified of a multicultural world or whatever, being so paranoid that you're in a healthy, loving relationship with your wife of 10 years

and you just ruin it based on, like, you're. Yeah, I think there's a statute of limitations on that, brother. You know what I mean? You've already raised that goddamn baby. You know what I mean? Might as well ride it on that out, whatever, your paranoias are, and work that shit out in therapy. But I think, you know, this is kind of a tangent,

but it is related to the events of yesterday. I think this is kind of a message of the movie Eddington, which is that, like, you can bring into reality your own fears and paranoias, Even if they're completely unfounded, you can unravel and destroy your own life through the, you know, a very online process of driving yourself insane with the phone or the algorithms or whatever. You bring into the real world, real life manifestations of the demons inside your head. And I think that it's like, as I was thinking about, like, the fact that they call this right to know, it's like the right wing is starting to. build out an entire paradigm or platform of rights,

a constellation of rights. You've got right to know, right to life, right to work. It's like if the liberal era is dying and melting away where you had like this whole dichotomy of negative and positive rights, where you had like civil liberties and a right to collective bargain and all this, if all that is dying away, it's being replaced with this entirely new conception of rights,

which is basically like I want the right to be treated like shit. I want the right to be exploited. I want the right to be paranoid and insane. And this is espoused by people like Charlie Kirk man, you know? And I feel like... Yes, yes. And you know, I just want... It's an insecure loser's architecture.

If you really get at it's like at the foundation of it all. It is. And that's again, we're talking about his legacy. Like that is a big part of his legacy. It's this kind of like insecure, very fragile masculinity that is, um, you know,

obviously he gave rise to this because his whole I don't know man the whole thing is very crazy because it has these deep echoes with all the things resonant in popular culture right now like college campuses and political violence and guns and all this and also just the social media spectacle of a man like fountain spewing blood out of his neck like that's unreal dude I mean I mean you know what Terrence I just want to say you you had me um forgive the comic book reference but you just made me think about you're saying like you can manifest these fears, you know, like actualize them, you know. And it makes me think about, like, how in the Batman comics, critics of Batman often say

that he's the one that's brought in this super villainy to Gotham, you know, because of his, his absurd costume, right? Because of his, you know, his almost superhuman activities and crime fighting, you know. If you build it, they will come, basically. Yeah, exactly. You've attracted figures like the Joker, right? You've attracted figures like two-faced, you know what I mean? Yeah, the big one, so it's just like for Charlie Kirk, for someone, I mean, again, it's, I don't even know really, like, how to describe, like, the metaphysical nature of it, right?

Like, how surreal it is that this person in who couch, like, his violent rhetoric within the, you know, like, was, was the one to be shot, right? You know, like, as if, as if, like, everything he had said, like, kind of came full circle, right? Well, we've talked about, like, you know, kind of the nature of sort of online being a sort of surrogate for a kind of modern witchcraft or an alchemy or these things. Like, we were talking about that a little bit in the, the Bruno series and all that stuff. But, like, I think my most woo-woo believe is that thoughts, and more importantly, words are kind of causative, you know what I mean? Yeah. And, like, I think there is something to that, you know what I mean? I think that can tilt either way.

You know what I mean? I once had the pleasure having an audience with the legendary rapper Project Pat, and we mostly talked about this Christian book that was about life and death being in the power of the tongue. And I said to him, I said, Pat, I said, I'll be honest with you. I don't say anything. I don't want to come to pass. And he's like, you're a smart man.

We haven't really bonded over that. Yeah, I think it's. That's my humble brag for the day that I. That you have reported that you're rapper project. Pat? Yeah, I have a little, yeah, a little. You know, Project Pat. No big deal. No big deal. I mean, you saying that,

Aaron, though, it reminds me, like, and I've been talking a little bit about this book on the show, but, like, it reminds me of, I've been reading this book by Susanna Reese called We Sell Drugs, and about how, like, the figure of the narco was non-existent prior

to the establishment of a global drug control regime, like actually trying to control the global flow of raw materials for drugs, which was what the, you know, pharmaceutical industry worked with the government to do in the wake of World War II, actually created an illicit market. And that's when you get these large black market, you know, flows of drugs and the rise of an anarcho, and furthermore, the rise of the CIA using these channels to fund and channel funds and resources into right-wing anti-communist movements that would become the basis.

You end up feeling the things that you wanted in the first place. Again, you have a gun rights advocate, a gun rights advocate who is gun down, you know what I mean? And like, of course the right is going to use them as a martyr. it doesn't matter even whether the shooter was you know a trump conservative or whether they were like a left wing whatever it doesn't matter they haven't decided that yet and by that i mean they haven't decided what they're going to name as the archetype that did this yet which it makes the whole discourse right now of the last 24 hours and this is something a lot of people pointed out online obviously that like all these fucking right wingers just rushing to say like the left is like toxic and the left did this and da da da it's like by their own admission they don't even know who did this yet, you know what I mean? They thought they had the old white lived and everybody's like, yeah, they want it to be. You know what I mean?

Right, they wanted to be a purple-haired, you know, like, you know, trans person that works at Starbucks. Trans-swimmer, yeah. Right, right. That's what they wouldn't do. Yeah, I mean, you know, and we can start getting into that aspect of this stuff. But, like, I am kind of of the opinion,

and obviously, who knows, maybe they'll find somebody this afternoon. They found the gun this morning, and we're recording this again on the afternoon of September 11th. They found the gun this morning. That's very surreal, by the way. It keeps saying that. Like, oh, it's September 11th.

It's September 11th that Charlie Kirk got shocked. Yeah, yeah. But who knows? Maybe they'll find the person or a suspect this afternoon. I myself can, I've kind of been thinking along the lines of like, you know, and I've been looking for it this afternoon. entire time we've been talking and I cannot fucking find it. But there's a line in Black Reconstruction where Du Bois is like where, um, he says something along the lines of like,

where traditional forms of, of exploitation and abuse will not serve. Parapolitics will. And so basically, like the elite then starts engaging in like we were just talking a second ago, these efforts to undermine their enemies by either framing them and discrediting them like they did in Italy during the years of lead or whatever. or like they did during Reconstruction against people trying to actually build out public schools and the right to vote and all this. Well, that also plays into this too. I want to talk, before we get too far, I want to talk about the whole public school angle of this. Yes, right.

Yeah. And I think that part of what has made me wonder if perhaps someone in the Trump realm might be behind this, whether it's Till or someone in Trump's personal circle, I don't even know if, I don't know, I'm not sure if I'm confident saying it would be Trump himself, but like, something that makes me wonder is like their whole fucking program has flopped hard. The tariffs are a failure. The economy is on the verge of recession. They've not managed to get. Record hit flesh. The Epstein thing. Yeah. Trump's health. They've not managed to get Putin to budge an inch. In fact, Putin was sending drones over Poland earlier this week. It's like They have comprehensively failed on every fucking front So it's just like Well this will serve a specific political purpose

Which is to consolidate their own power Also I don't want to get too conspiratorial But okay like who would be the perfect sacrificial lamb Yes Everybody really likes drugs They all hate Charlie Kirk Imagine the conversation They're like all right who's it gonna be yo

It's gonna be Stephen Crowder You know what I mean? No he's Canadian Nobody's really gonna give a shit yo Is it going to be Matt Walsh? Like, nobody likes that guy. He's creepy. He has, like, food in his beard. Every time he comes over to the White House.

And he's not a big enough name. He's not a big of a name. Isn't it going to be Charlie Kirk, yo? Is it going to be the boyish, almost shrub-like man-child? You know what I mean? Who sets up the debate tables, who actually, who actually forward-facing for the right, as a forward-facing image for the right, what he does is he sets up the table. And he says, it doesn't matter if I hold these heinous views.

I'm inviting you to debate. The picnic table is such a great That is his lasting legacy dog They act like They ain't like like he's like William F. Buckley or Dick Cavett or something And he's like he just was creating a forum For Democratic debate

No the fuck he was But that's they legitimate They really do think he was Especially in these like politically fraught times So it just really does make sense That if the Trump administration Would be a sacrificial lamb They would be like

Yeah let's yes Symbolically it would be him It's like I told Tom yesterday The Horst Vessel guy like the guy from the guy that the Nazis used like he was assassinated quote unquote in 1933 or 34 and they used him as the excuse to like start rounding up leftist and putting them in work camps and concentration camps and whatnot like in the same what because he was a young promising you know upstart like on his way up the ladder of the fucking third Reich or whatever and like Charlie Kirk is that similar guy like 31 years old uh you know has this like Aryan um trad wife who was missa arizona USA they have two kids like he would be the sacrificial lamb for these for this exact moment on a college campus doing the shit he's the fourth rights poster boy dog it is it's like it's so like weirdly i don't know it's just it's it's it's sad to think about like a waste of a

life just spending your life just being an agitator for the non dumbest and coincidentally evilest guys that this country's ever produced who would just go on to have you killed. Who has had you killed? Who, like, Hannibal Doctrine your ass, probably. I mean, who know? It's obviously, that's conjecture, but still. You know, his legacy will be, dog, I'm going to tell you right now.

It's like I said, it's going to be the picnic tables, right? You know, college campuses, which is going to be, I'm pretty sure the right is going to martyr him and lionize him and what they're going to do, they're going to canonize him. What they're going to do is they're going to be like, this is the symbol of the right and actually stand against the intolerant left. They're going to bring some version of that back. And also, this is a guy whose legacy is going to be that meme where his face continues to get smaller at every reproduction. This is a fucking nobody, dog, you know?

I mean, they're going to use him to like, go ahead. The fact that his last, it should be a challenge to all of us that we should all live our lives in such a way that like our last words are not counting or not counting gang violence. I mean, that's a, that's crazy to have those as your last word, right? It's like, that's, I mean, and just going out. fucking nanny style racism I have to say like I do feel bad for the fact that like you know as someone who is

about to be bringing life into this world about to have a kid like I feel yeah bad for the fact that like not only was he killed but killed in this very public spectacle way and his kids were there too yeah oh his kids were there I heard that's what I heard I don't I've not been able

to verify that yet or not but I heard that um but like that's and I feel it's awful for that that's awful like but it's the thing it's like there's several things packed into that the first is that like well yeah trump and them probably had them black or maybe even if they didn't it's kind of like um it's kind of a blowback it's wildly convenient they found a gun but they didn't find a guy yet okay yeah but it's kind of a blowback thing also in the sense that like you've made your entire thing about unleashing these forces of uh

you know, demonic entities onto the American social fabric as a way to punish the communities that you don't like, LGBTQ, black and brown communities, and so on.

And like, what's that going to do that is going to create a sort of ongoing, low, roiling violence that will eventually start eating the people that unleashed. Yeah.

And, yeah, exactly. And so, I mean, I don't know, man, it's, it's, it's a, I mean, it just becomes, you know, Terrence, I just want to, I just want to underscore again, man. And, you know, I don't, I don't want to lean into conspiracy theories too much. I feel like it's too easy to do that. But it just really, I just want to unsick it, man, it just really would be perfect that like, actually, you know what? It doesn't, it wouldn't matter if Trump had him killed, right? It's still going to save the same purpose and the same end. I really do think that he will. serve as this William F. Buckley type of figure for the right now. And at a time when their own violence that they unleash, that the right unleashes upon the left, that they unleash upon, you know, black people, upon immigrants, it just is so perfect for them to continue that violence while someone like Charlie Kirk is the forward-facing lionized figure to say, actually, we're not violent. Actually, like, all we want to do is debate. Actually, you know,

we're just we're just i'm harkening back to american values right you know like this kind of sort of modern symposium of debate and talking to your neighbor while they continue the slaughter you know it's just this perfect incongruity you know what i mean the the william f buckley comparison is actually really apt in my opinion because like william f buckley neither of them contributed a single goddamn interesting or unique idea to the discourse the entire right their program for the last 70 years is just basically being like black people are intellectually inferior maybe gay people should be stamped with barcodes when they get AIDS like this kind of stuff you know what I mean also I'm gay part time and I'm saying that in the case of William Bucking yeah gay part time there's no there's

there's even worth debating because all it is is is violent hatred for people and so it's like what is your contribution which is violence too which is I mean I know it's like such a that it is man it's like it's yeah i don't know it's like i mean i mean dude it's like you said tom it's like you know like i don't even think it's a woo belief man thinking that like like words and language itself you know can almost like create a ripple out and create actions at the at the very least what it does is it normalizes that kind of language you know and again i know i'm making a moot point man i know i'm making the moot point that this is a heinous individual right who um who you know who whose actions seem to have boomerang back to him but i mean it's just the honest

God truth but no one's ever going to talk about what he said is the point is not the point is not his opinions or his views right the point is that the right is ascendant you know the fact that is I think you had said Terrence that all these people um want to get out ahead and they want to come out as like well if the right is ascendant and these are the normalizing politics then we already want to come out ahead and say that oh this is a horrible thing to happen they would have done it either way but I really want to ask you guys a question if you think it had been left wing figure you know like let's say it had been like i mean i can't even i can't even think of a left wing figure i don't even say don't even say i don't even say i don't even say i don't

speak that universe but i swear to god it would not it would not have had such a public outrage and outcry and ripple you know what i mean ripple effect i really don't think it would have man they i mean people pointed this out but two minnesota uh state assembly members were fucking killed or at least one and i think her husband and another was shot there was no fucking half-mass flags for them because they were Democrat. Trump said it wasn't even going to fucking bother even mentioning their names or even talking, didn't even call, you know, their families or anything. I mean, and that was done by a guy who had no King's protests posters in the back of his car. Mind you, this came a few weeks after, and this has been all but fucking

memory hold. I don't know if you guys remember this, but remember when someone shot up the Israeli assembly or Israeli embassy? like a few months ago, and they tried to pin it on PSL. It's like, dude, there is a, I mean, again, it's just, I mean, I don't know this for a fact, but if you connect the fucking dots, there is obviously some deep political campaign to go after public figures and then use it as a way to discredit and frame the left so as to gin up more violence against them, to gin up more state repression against them. So, I mean, I just, who the fuck knows?

all I'm saying is like you've got one of the most powerful people in the world Peter Till saying he doesn't even think the human race should survive it might not be outside the realm of possibility that he would be let's say I don't know funding a and giving resources

domestic gladio situation yeah exactly right to undermine the only fucking political force that actually wants the human race to survive the left I gotta say in fairness if I looked like I was melting I might have the same inclination I think I too would be going on teaching a fucking road show

about the biblical Antichrist and funding domestic landy if I had his resources and I looked like that but you know what too dude it's like we are already so like how could I put it bad we already created the natural

atmosphere for the years of lead you know without without even like you know power politics like you know tipping the scales you know I mean I guess so yes but like you wouldn't even need someone like Peter Thiel to be funding this. You know what I'm saying? All you have to do is just tip someone in the right direction and just blow them slightly, you know, because for all we know, and we don't know yet, but this could just be a conservative right winger who

was maybe upset that Charlie Kirk wasn't going far enough. The point is that we don't fucking know, but it doesn't matter because the right wing is going to use it to their benefit anyway. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think the point is they're going to use it to their benefit. It has several, it has several different meanings and utilizations, which is that, like, it serves as a further reason and excuse to, to, you know, clamp down on college campus descent, you know? It muddies the waters on the, I mean, people forget, but, like, literally two nights ago, Trump went out in public in D.C. and got, like, fucking booed. I mean, that's all basically been, you know, memory hold at this point. But, like, you know, partially over the Epstein stuff, but also his crackdown on D.C. taking over the D.C. police. Like, I mean, it serves several purposes and functions.

I don't know about you guys, speaking of Peter Till, though, and also AI and all this other stuff. The moment last night that I started to get bad, bad, like, reality distortions, you know, maybe tipping, starting to tip a little bit into the psychosis. stayed a little bit, the danger zone, was when the White House put out what was clearly... The AI state of the U. U.S.

What was clearly... An AI... Not even a good one. Yeah. What was clearly an AI edited video or... Gittery deep fake. Yeah, yeah. I mean, there were...

There was people that, like, kind of dissected it and pointed out all the ways in which it was obviously AI made... Hands of removing at all? Yes, from a photo. It was done from a photo, right? Like, they obviously...

Like, it was a... heap fake part of it could possibly be because you know he's brand he's branded at this point like he could just be like so mentally gone he doesn't have the ability to like on a you know on a on a on a you know just on a moment's notice be able to like appear he is like perpetually living in like the 1983 like you know like wichita like teenage beauty page that he just showed up to back They hit Glamour shots Yeah that's like

He's floating Annihurtic fluid In that one moment You know Uh huh Yeah Oh he's encased in it That's where he's

That's the Yeah That's where he will finish His journey at And encased in that very fluid Yeah That very fluid I'm only here because of affirmative action.

We know you do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white person's slot to go. go be taken somewhat seriously, play cut 52. It's very obvious to us that you were not smart enough to be able to get in on your own. I'm sorry, if I see a black pilot, I'm going to be like, boy, I hope he's qualified. View that the country made a mistake when it passed the Civil Rights Act. Also true. Well, I think also another aspect of your point from a second ago, Aaron,

it may not even be that you need like a actual cordial. group of people doing this that it is just a kind of like emergent phenomenon of uh you know the state of affairs but i genuinely think that like videos like that um add to people's sense of destabilization um once again like uh you know this was a public figure whose face you're used to seeing even parodied on south park obviously right or shrunken you know many times it's yeah yeah yeah like you know fucked with basically um so it's like it kind of has a shock value to it like seeing someone like that die in an awful you know publicly uh violent way and again like the the possibility that his family was there is is i mean you know that's that's that's

terrible like right like this is uh kind of like in the um like we're we're all engaged in the game here right like we know the stakes it's kind of like Tony Soprano, right? Talking about that technology. We know the stakes, but like kids obviously should be off limits,

that kind of thing. Right, right, right. Kids and mothers, you know. Yeah. Tony Montana said that. Right. But like,

that kind of like level of routine violence does kind of have a destabilizing effect which wants people, it causes people to want a stabilizing figure who can then step in, step in and basically stop the violence, which I think, again, we'll read down to the right. I don't think that it's, obviously, they're not going to stop the violence.

They're just going to ramp it up. They're going to keep doing deportations. They're going to keep sending national guards into cities and all this other stuff, which will continue the cycle. But, like, I think that, like, that's the thing here. Like, we're kind of in an end game where that's, it doesn't really matter that that cycle will just kind of implode spectacularly. Like, no one really cares.

It's like Trump's latest executive order that Pete Hegseth, you know, he's dubbed the Secretary of War now. And he came out with this statement. Secretary of gin, nigga. Fuck out of here. That's right. That's exactly. But he, but I was listening to Amy Goodman, Juan Gonzalez this morning. And somebody had somebody on there.

I think it was that, um, um, is it Bradley Radcoe, writes for Rolling Stone? Yeah. And he was talking, yeah, Radley, Bradco. I know you're talking about that. You know what I'm talking about. And they basically was saying, like, he had this quote from Heggseth. It was like, maximum, like, what did he say? What was his new goal with this?

Maximum, something to do it, maximum fatalities or maximum, he used to a word to suggest basically, like maximum bloodshed, we're going on the offensive now as if we weren't fucking doing that for the last whatever you know what I mean but like basically I think the barbarity is the point that's all they have I mean they're

they can't govern right like these people are they're fucking idiots you know what I mean handed the keys to the kingdom they can't govern what they can do is just do this half-assed fucking gangsterismo stuff and whether you want to acknowledge or not Charlie Kirk is a victim of that

like everybody that's like in that in this constellation is like a victim of that mindset because that's all they know how to fucking do right exactly and you know what it turns all i want to go back to the ai um video man because that like i mean at a time in which you know um you know people are concerned about a i stripping away you know the humanity and the dignity of like workers like in the arts right um um and you know whether or not they are being peddled disinformation or misinformation or information rather these crop doctored videos it's like you know there's that but then there's this like symbolic like kind of like double you i'll be honest i'll be honest and say it's a w for the

fucking right because they're going to use charlie kirk as a martyr right well yeah they don't i don't really think they give a shit about him as a person what he fucking believed in what he did politically no but he just matters as like a martyr right so it's like you have like you know the the right trying to feign, which I don't actually, I don't disbel- I do think they're outrage, right? But it's like this, this feigned reaction,

right? Like this over kind of outrage, right? That's disproportionate when it comes to, like, Palestinian children, like the shooting that happened the same day. Yeah. But then you have Trump releasing this doctored, completely soulless, lifeless, AI video that is

almost like wrote and routine. Like, I imagine they have these shit stock the fuck up they have these shits ready to go whenever something like this happens you know and they're completely lifeless so it's like again they're holding entire project even though it's like you know it's bloodthirsty it's dripping with blood it's almost like lifeless and hollow in and of itself you know yeah i don't know if that makes any sense but like these people don't even have the passion to record an actual live video of him being angry about this yeah i mean i think you're i think that's absolutely right that's kind of what um kind of what i was going out a second ago as well which is

like it's hollow it's dead in and of itself it's got like this dead-eyed uh sensibility and and outward presentation to it and i think the the point is to show that like look join us on the other side join us on the other side of the river sticks in the land of the dead like we're the army join us in the dark join us in the darkness right it's just like we are dead already like don't you also want to be dead and it's like i think that like that's the that is kind of the thing, like going back to the Peter Till thing, do you want the human race to survive? There is one political force

in American life that wants the human race to survive, and it's the left. And you read that... That's the thing that kills me, dog, about, like, when all your friends we were talking about earlier, like, you know, like, two things I've heard arise in all this is, like, it's the problem of extremes on both sides.

I saw fucking CIA assit Benicio del Toro talk about on the red carpet of the new PTA mood. It's like, it's extreme. The problem is extremism on both sides. The problem is guns on both sides, which that might have a bit more valence, right? Just because if the raw materials aren't there, unless this would happen, right? Wherever you land on the gun debate, I think most people would agree on that.

But the whole, like, it's problems of extremism on both sides, and it's a rope point that we've said a million times, but it's like, one side thinks everybody should have education and health care and housing and food. The other side thinks that black people were better off in the slave times. I'm not doing this I'm not playing that's playing the game on their map I'm not doing that shit anymore it's the same thing with thinking Charlie Kirk

is tantamount to MLK's assassination one person again said black people were better off in the slate times the other guy was a civil rights champion and spoke out even against like carpet bombing and Vietnam and things that were going on

all over the world I mean dude I mean you know I don't want to be edger anything man but I just I just want to like if we wouldn't oppose it in the absolutes like I just don't think this guy had a net positive on society and it's not even about it's not about what

he did but it's about what it's about what the right is going to do with his death right you know what that represents yeah we can agree like yeah it's not good for people to be murdered or anything and all that kind of stuff no matter how much we hate people like I don't think

anybody wants to live in a years anybody's thrilled about living in a years of lead scenario but again to that point it's what this portends for everybody else exactly do you know what I mean Yeah. It's the thing. It's that like we've passed through the event horizon. We're all fair game. You know what I'm saying? It's just like that's that's kind of the world and situation we live in. And that's another reason why it was so resonant, I think. So you were fair game already. Now we're a sure game. Yeah, that's true. Right. I take that out. I rebuke it in the name of Jesus.

Like, I think, I don't know. I don't quite know how to like. I don't quite know how to like. put it, but like, the thing about, like, I don't want to be edgy about it, or I don't want to be insensitive talking about it also at the same time. I don't want to, like, give credence to this person whose fucking ideas were on par with Jefferson Davis. So it's like, you know, it's this thing where you're trying to, like, triangulate and determine the right way to talk about it. But the fact of the matter is, is I just keep coming back to this fucking TikTok video that I saw that this guy made that was straight out of Eddington, where this guy is wearing like an L.A. Dodgers cap, and he's like, shooting, shooting. This is not a drill.

It's your boy on her TikTok. There was just a gunshot at Charlie Kirk. We're in Utah. There's a confire. This is not a joke. Hey, let's go. Hey, let's go. Hey, let's go. Hey, let's go. Don't watch. It's your boy, outer TikTok. There was just a funfire in Utah. Follow me at da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Yeah, follow me. Is that the guy that was there at the Charlie Kirk assassination? Yeah. And then he- Somebody. Somebody says, that he was shouting it, like, that guy is smudge mom who says, my leg!

Like, you, afterwards, dude, he ran and stole a bunch of QPSA merch and then ran off the table. At the scene of the crime, the end of the scene of the crime. Like, there is,

there is a widespread inability to even treat anything with anything, like, resembling of seriousness or reverence. Yeah, it's, it's all, it's all sucked out. Like,

the life and vitality is, sucked out of everything. Wait, hold up. You're telling me somebody got shot and assassinated and somebody ran over to their

over to her table and took their merch and was shot by their TikTok name. Follow me on this. It was straight out of adding to dude. It was like,

yo, yo, Charlie Kirk's... I asked you any criticism I might have had like I take it back. You were dialed the fuck in. Yo, can I just say

that that merch after Charlie Kirk's assassination had more value than his life at that point? like that's a spectacle that we live in you know what I mean I mean symbolically like as a signifier if you want to talk about semiotics or whatever you know I mean it's just like that has more resonance than his entire life his death has more residence in his entire well that's what I'm

saying like like as an American figure like his life is such a it's so silly and farcical like it's just like you know that's why it's got this like tragic that's why it's got this like tragic comic aspect to it that like a 31 year old should not be dying in a blaze of glory like that's really sad like a 31 year old like that's very young and to like waste your life doing this stuff in your final words to be about like gang violence like it's leading out of your neck in front of your family dude it's it's just for nobody to quote the words that you said for nobody to like say that this is what charlie charlie carc changed my life no man it's not they're going to myth myth mythologize him essentially is what's going to happen well and

that's that's what i'm saying it should be a challenge to every it's like don't like that that should not be anybody's life people's lives should be filled with joy and love and compassion and care for their for their neighbors and other people like helping other people building a society together it should not be this like farcical fucking uh you know you're the z league of late dying empire of you know where you're just you appear various places and try to debate people and bend the over again window back down in front of your kids man yeah i mean that's just it's terrible but Tom, you brought up actually a good point, though, too, man. I think that, like, you were talking about how people can see the violence in Gaza and they can't reckon that with their own lives or what's likely to happen to them. But, you know, getting shot on a college campus, right? Getting, you know, shot in, like, a mall or a movie theater. I think that, like, is so salient for people the way that he died because not only did he die,

you know, upholding one of America's, like, howled virtues, right? The freedom of speech, you know. But he died in a public setting, you know, by a shooter, right? And I think for a lot of people, they'll say that even people who disagree with him, they'll say, well, this can happen to anyone. You know, when people will say, well, this could have happened to anyone. You know, I think this situation where people could be like, well, this really could happen to anyone. But no, I don't quite think so. But it'll be put that way, you know.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, it's also, I think, too, I mean, if it is, if it is, in fact, you know, and we'll probably know. never know the truth of this, but it is in fact some sort of Hannibal Doctrinesque sacrificial lamb parapolitics scenario. You can see how it's like being used to as almost like a not so subtly veiled threat towards campus protesters. Like these are places where you actually can be touched. These are like, you know, it's part of this attack of public education, which they've determined is like, well, you know, there's this decades long just formal assault on it through charter schools and all this stuff but now there's this sort of years of lead

gangster ismo thing happening where like you've had even democrats you know talking about campus you know like people protesting for people in Gaza and then like the violence that's happened to a kid people getting snatched up and disappeared for indefinite amounts of time in the case of kalil Muhammad you know who also too was a father you know and a husband all these things we talk about Charlie Kirk being, which, you know, like any idiot can be a Christian, but, you know, that's a whole other thing. You just got to say like seven words and you're in. But so, yeah.

Take a couple strokes. Anyone could be a father. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yep. So, so it's just, you know, you can see how it is, yeah, just like I'm saying, it's just a continued assault on public education. And the sort of insinuation that college campus is mostly public, but also private in case of Columbia, where Caleb Mahomet was snatched and all these other places, are they've deemed a side of ideological struggle that must be like, you know, brought to heal, you know.

Right, right. You know what? You know, I'm thinking, to bring this all together, we're recording this on 9-11 and, you know, I'm not a 9-11 truther. I'm not going to engage in any of that I am I don't know if I've thought it'll give us about an hour we'll change that bro I don't know if I've thought about it long enough like not being high to like really countenance it but like whatever whatever the the machinations of 9-11

the ones that carried it out the ones that planned it it served a justification it served as a reason as an inciting event justification for imperial United States policy for the rest of the decade, right, and so on. This event, Charlie Kurt getting assassinated, will do the same thing for the right wing, right?

You know, I think people like, and people should be, you guys hung up on details, like, how did it happen, who did it, what were their motivations? But again, like, I keep reiterating is that we're in this moment where I think, as you mentioned, Terrence, like, the right is like ratcheting, I mean, you didn't put it exactly like this, but we're talking about the years

of lead, right? That's what we've been looting to the entire time they're trying to ratchet up you know um the suppression um of the left right of their political enemies and again charlie kirk just serves as the perfect sacrificial lamb you know well in a way it's no different from what a net yahu's doing at the zenith of his career right and like what they did with like now we know they sacrificed a bunch of idea for people again guys that gave their life to this fucking satanic project so they would have pretense

you know it's just we're just duplicating at home what Israel did on October 7th essentially yeah it's like it's like bane on Batman like they'll expect one of us in the wreckage brother yeah you know it would have been really funny

I mean like I don't know man I don't know how much I but I just keep thinking about like the meeting of like who should go you know And it would be really interesting if Charlie Kirk was actually in on that meeting, you know what I mean? If he actually, he was willing to be the sacrificial life. No, there's not, dude. I think it's just going back to the education question, I mean, it's kind of crazy.

Like, you can draw a direct line. Like, I mean, I was just listening to this story yesterday. Like, the Kentucky Supreme Court just ruled that it's unconstitutional by Kentucky's Constitution for public funds to go. to charter schools, which is good. I was really surprised that that happened. But the Bluegrass Free Enterprise Institute is now mounting an appeal. And I was listening to this interview with him yesterday who was like, well, we give public funds to private schools all the time, like schools for the blind and death and all this and there's no problem with it. And I think the thing is, is like there has been such a longstanding tradition born in reconstruction.

and, again, going back to Du Bois and Black Reconstruction, like the demand of Reconstruction was public schools. It was the demand to know and to learn and to read and to learn not just with other former slaves, but just Americans in general. And there has been a 150-year-long process to try to bring that down. Because it's not just a question of, like,

you were saying a second ago, Tom, like they're also assaulting, like, private colleges like Columbia, Because the point is, the point isn't necessarily always like what, if the school in question is public or private. It's really what it is that they're teaching and what that pertains for the future. And so if they can have any amount of control over minds, like, I don't know, man, like there's the guy who founded the UMWA, is his name like Daniel Webster, I think, or Daniel Weaver.

his very first speech that he gave to minors in illinois like the very first coal miner strike like he actually quoted i think he quoted marks and he said something to the effect that like brothers we need to be learning like knowledge is power like we need to be like reading we need to be learning about the you know that that that phrase has now been like co-opted by libs who you know like to use it on like PBS or whatever but that is an old Marxist tradition it's an old Marxist phrase knowledge is power, knowing about the world, being curious about it, and not, you know, shutting down and all this. And I think that, like, they obviously don't want, they don't want people learning about the world. They want it all, they want this fantasy world, this architectured, constructed fantasy world that they can teach to children that, like, tells them that, like, there is a natural order to things.

white people are superior that like women have you will be an engineer and nothing else but see terence terence not to cut you off but just to add to that you're absolutely right but again the the image of the guy on the college campus with a picnic table who's inviting you to so-called debate he's not really inviting you to debate right you know that's not really what he's trying to do but that's the way that's the veneer of it right that's that's that's what conservatives like that's such a good point because These conservatives, I guess, you know, college campuses are seen of, like, you know, these kind of, these points of debate where, you know, public, you know, public discourse is like engaged and fomented, so on and so on and so forth. But conservatives don't really actually believe that.

They don't want that curiosity of thought, you know. They don't want people learning about actual history, you know what I mean? But they come across as if they do, as if they're willing to allow their ideas to be debated. Well, as long as you're in a STEM program, you know what I mean? But as far as the humanities goes, it's only like, you know, black on black crime. I would go so far as to say, yeah, you're right. You're right as of September 11th, 2025. But give it another 10 years and we won't even have Stimp majors.

I think that the point is, is like, you know, you have to accept in their minds that there is a natural order. This goes back to like Joseph Demestra and like fucking French Enlightenment thinkers who thought, like, were counter-revolutionary, who, like, hated the revolutionaries, Edmund Burke and stuff, who hated the revolutionaries because it violated their sense of a natural order of the world. And that is the goal and vision of the left, basically challenging that and saying there is not a natural order of the world. It's not preordained by some God or some king. It is what we make of it. It is the world that we construct together. There is, like, races and ideology. These are not natural phenomena we construct them through social interaction and practice and that is what the left is

and that's why they fucking hate it that's why they think it's disgusting um right and they have the pretense of debate despite the fact that they actually blue believe these things are a natural order you know yeah exactly i mean just go to charlie kirk's twitter page right now i mean the one of his last tweets was basically about how um i don't have it pulled up in front of me but it was something along the lines of we need to acknowledge that black crime is worse in black communities and they're predisposed towards this kind of stuff. And that's what I'm talking about. It's just like you, I guess, in their minds.

That's, that's doing politics the right way to some. Right, right, right. You're referencing the Ezra Klein op-ed in the New York Times, Charlie Kirk was practicing politics the right way. I didn't read it. Do you want to read it real quick? Yeah, I'll just, I guess. um the foundation of a free society is the ability is the ability to participate in politics

without fear of violence to lose that is to risk losing everything charlie kirk and his family just lost everything as a country we came a step closer to losing everything too we've been okay nigga okay okay bro i don't think that the guy who thought that i was subhuman i don't i don't think that like you know all right go ahead you these who are these people talking to when they say shit like this. You can't be talking to me, bro. You can't be talking to me about a man who thought that I was subhuman because of my skin color. Who the fuck are you talking to, man? We have never been closer to socialism or barbarism. I mean, I mean that seriously, because when people said that in the 1920s or 30s, they just thought that liberalism was dying and on its way out. I mean,

obviously, the United States still existed and was able to, like, co-hear and put together a global order and framework based on the tenets of liberalism. But it is dead now. It is fucking cooked. And so what we have left is this. What we have left is basically a very tepid liberalism that realizes and acknowledges that they're on the way out and that what they have to offer is no match for the society annihilating capacities of capitalism.

They have to prep themselves for the slaughter. Exactly. And they nerve themselves for us. They have to inert, exactly. As the Buck of James, we have fatten ourselves for the day of the slaughter. That is exactly right. And so, like, they, this why Ezra Klein and them will bend the knee in the end. They will say, all right, you're right.

People do have a right to work. They have a right to know, right to life. Women should know their place in society. Maybe some people are subhuman. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. Like, that is a structured framework for a. in-game capitalism that intends to suck every last

fucking ounce of surplus out of the nooks and crane, every nook and cranny you can find. It says, we've been edging closer for some time now. In 2020, a plot to kidnap Gretchen Whitmer. The governor of Michigan was foiled by the FBI. It was literally created by the FBI. That's another thing. That's a looting tooth plot by the FBI.

That's another thing we have to talk about. The FBI's role in January 6th. the FBI's rolling the Gretchen Whitmer thing. Like, every time something like this pops off, notice the FBI is just like, no, no, no, no, we got this under control. We found the gun and we're going to find the guy. And the guy might have been in the FBI. Yeah.

I mean, in 20, oh, yeah, okay. In 2021, a mob stormed the Capitol in an effort to overturn the results of the election. In 2022, a man broke into Nancy Pelosi. he's home. In 2024, Donald Trump was nearly assassinated. That same year, Brian Thompson, the chief executive of United Health Care, was murdered. In 2025,

Molotov cocktails were thrown into the home of Governor Josh Shapiro. Notice how all these people are power. These are all powerful people. No mention of children killed in school shootings, of children killed in Gaza. Well, because that's not political violence. That's worth mention to terrorists. That's just like, that's just, you know,

business usual. These are people that if they would have been in Duvaldi, if they have been at Sandy Hook. Like, Josh Shapiro probably would have pushed children in front of him while he ran. Like, this is like the... He would have held him up. He would have held them up in front of him. While doing that annoying Obama ripoff voice.

Let me be clear. It's just the cost of doing business. And now this week, Kirk, the founder of TPUSA, was gunned down during a speech at Utah Valley University. You can dislike much of what Kirk believed in the following... I think Goddow. I think Goddown makes it... I would not think of Goddown.

to think of multiple shots like somebody yeah i we have to fucking acknowledge the fact that 200 yards is not an easy shot that's fucking nuts and someone someone was like someone in my mentions was like um i think it was a similar to a trump attempted assassination and they accidentally hit him this time and it's like i don't know dude 200 yards like i mean i don't obviously don't think i got to visualize that I'm going to visualize 2GR. Well, it's 200, two football films, man. Oh, Jesus Christ. He got hit across two football fields?

Yeah. Yeah, you know what? Sitting under a fucking, like, gazebo. One shot while he's moving, too. Like, you know, just. Yeah, I mean, come on, dude. I'm not going to gauge it. Come on.

From that far away. You know what I mean? I mean, I don't know. Someone with training. Let's put it that way, you know. Yeah. Not even a fucking doubt in my mind This was someone with training

The person they find is not going to be the person who did it Yeah, put it that way They've got a patsy You know, they've got to probably got lined up or something You can dislike much of what Kirk believed In the following statement is still true Kirk was practicing politics Everything you said

It says you can dislike Much of what Kirk believed in the following statement Is still true Kirk was practicing politics in exactly the right way. He was showing up the campuses and talking with anyone who would talk to him. He was one of the... Okay, by the way, I saw a clip going around of him getting mad at an audience member and calling her a chik. I mean, so I don't know if that's the right way to engage with the debate.

No, that is the right way to engage in politics, is that you debate someone until you're proven wrong, then you call them a slur. That is what you're doing about. Can you believe they're flying flags at half-mast for this guy? I mean, really, honestly, if, like, if, like, our modern entertainment as, like, content creation, we've talked about, like, you know, like, sort of content creators and streamers and whoever else have sort of supplanted matinee idols

as, like, the matinee idols of our time, it's honestly tantamount to, like, flying a flag at half-staffer, like, Lenny Riphonstall. You know what I mean? Yeah. Fucking Joe. dude I'm sorry I yeah I yeah I feel awful somebody was murdered and stuff like that but it's like no you gotta be honest about what I don't I don't feel bad that he was

murdered I feel bad that his daughters had to see that that's all that's my line on this I don't give a fuck about him how he died whatever I feel that we I feel bad that we all had to watch it and his fucking little children had to see that that's fucking that's awful but and the repercussions that'll have like you know for all of us yeah showing up to campuses and talking with anyone who would talk to him he was one of the era's most effective practitioners of persuasion when the left how do you defy how do you quantify that bro i i i don't when the left thought it's hold on the hearts of minds on the hearts of minds of college students was nearly absolute kirk showed up again and again to break it slowly then all at once

he did college age voters shifted sharply right in the 2024 election all right dude we're now seeing the fucking narrative take hold like because we cannot acknowledge the genocide and the effect that that had on the 2024 election the way this will now be metabolized is that charlie kirk was single-handedly responsible for being the modern charlie kirk forbidding youth voters to the right in the 2024 election i'm dog the genocide denial is this is the this is what we've got we've now got a link from genocide denial to fucking charlie kirk the left is just yeah it's the left i'm talking about liberals it's just yeah we've got a tepid party of genocide

denialists that are trying to mount a defense against years of lead ship. Yeah, the young Hitler. Says, that was not all Kirk's doing, but he was central and laying the groundwork for it. I did not know him and I am not the right person to eulogize

him, but I envied what he built. A taste for disagreement in a... I bet you did, digger. Yeah, I bet you did after everybody was a chump ship on your fucking whiffs of prognostication. You've been I'm taking off and fuck it Last 12 here

On social media I've mostly seen decent and human reactions of Kirk's murder there is grief and shock from both the left and the right but I've seen two forms

of reaction that are misguided however comprehensible the rage or horror that provoked them one is a move on the left to wrap Kirk's death around his views

after all he defended the Second Amendment even admitting it meant accepting innocent deaths another is on the right to turn Kirk's murder into a justification

for an all at war a Reichstag fire for our time but as the list above reveals there is no world in which political violence escalates but is contained to just your foes even if that were possible it would still be a world of horrors

a society that it collapsed into the most irreversible form of unfreedom political violence is a virus what's he's saying there it's like okay he set the modern rachshdog fire but there's no world where political violence is acceptable yeah what he's saying is that basically if the right uses this

as a Reichstagifier to go after the left, it will eventually blow back on them as well. Or their fellow right winger's, the chuds, the whatever. I mean, I do believe that, but then, you know, that's what they say about the long run. A lot of damage can be done in that interim. Right. Then he talks about political violence as a virus.

He talks about John F. Kennedy, Malcolm Max, Martin Luther King, Robert Kennedy. Come on, man. Dude, he mentions Medgar Evers. Medgar Evers. Bro. In the same sentence with fucking Charlie Kirk, that's disgusting. I would love, I would love anyone of these niggisizing Charlie Kirk to just bring up one tweet, one sentence, one thing that he said.

That wasn't even positive, right? But that just even, that would that just even reeked of any, like, intellectualism. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like, I mean, who are we talking about here, dog? we're talking about a podcaster streamer man that is how degenerate of a society we are that this is seen as a great thinker of our times

it's not even what he said it's not what he said Netger efforts Are you fucking serious? They're going to start David Conches after Charlie Kirk now bro? Come on dog Oh yeah he will have biopics He'll have fucking

I mean they'll put statues up of him like they did Robert E Lee American politics has sides There is no use pretending it doesn't But both sides are meant to be on the same side Of a larger project Well okay here's the thing As racism

What is that? The right The right already determined We're not on the fucking same side All right And even the liberals did with the left So obviously there is a widespread problem If no one acknowledging

We're all on the same side Of fucking jack shit at this point We were all are most of us anyways trying to maintain the viability of the American experiment we can live with losing an election because we believe in the promise of the next election we can live with losing an argument

because we believe that there won't be another election trust me that's over that's done I Trump will be president can you imagine a world can you imagine a situation where it's like we're going to

suspend the Constitution restrict all these kinds of freedom spew all this bowel, and we're going to change the Department of Defense to the Department of War as a sort of rhetorical, sort of inflammatory thing. We're going to let a fucking mediocre drunk named Pete Heggseth say, no, maximum barbarism is the point, and we're going to do this. This is like going to be our new doctrine. And then they just get beat at the ballot box, say, well, you know, pack it in, boys, we tried.

No. That's not how you play the long game. dude i okay there's one paragraph left this is like a fucking 700 wait wait wait wait so so hold up so did he just say we could we can stand losing an election well we can stand like but we can't stand losing a 31 year old podcaster is that way is that way he's going with this is that he's equating this grand american experiment it may it may stop a democracy an authoritarian like Trump may win an election which throws the whole entire system into doubt but that's okay right but the minute that a podcast are like charlie curt gets assassinated okay that the american

experiment is it's over is that what he's trying to say though yeah i think it's like i think it's what you're saying earlier erin it's like his it's symbolically his role was as a debater in like uh this honored american tradition and like i said it's the resonance it would be one thing if he was gunned down in an alleyway and no one saw it. But the fact that in front of a large group of people and it was streamed live and went viral and all this, it's like there is that resonant aspect of it. And, you know, I think that that is, that's the kind of thing that like gets deep into what people, I mean, obviously people like Ezra Klein get afraid of something like this because Ezra Klein is in the same industry as Charlie Kirk. That's what I don't

really understand like there's one paragraph left to this and it's you know Kirk and I were on opposite sides of most political arguments we were on the same side on the most he says he says we were on the same side we were on the same

side on the continued possibility of American politics I mean I just don't like The fuck does that even mean didn't Charlie Kirk support January 6th and the stealing of the election I mean I don't even care because it's fucking elections or whatever. Charlie Kirk

famously not support democracy, actually? Yeah. He doesn't even support empathy, he said. He says, it's a very animating factor of human beings. Yeah, he says, it is supposed to be an argument, not a war. It is supposed to be one with words, not ended through bullets. And so I think that what he's saying here is that, like,

what Charlie Kirk did by practicing politics the right way was talking. That's it. Like, he just went and had debates with the picnic table. Because, like, I think that what he's saying is that, like, any moment that it devolves into violence, it is, that's when you practice politics the wrong way. But I think, again, like, just it's worth pointing out that, like, you know, if you're in power, you practice political violence against Americans on a daily basis, right? By signing a bill that takes away health care from people, you know, that takes away child care.

Like, I mean, we live in an inherently violent society, and I know this is a moot point that a lot of people have brought up, but, you know, it's just, I've seen people discharmed than they have for the victims of Israeli genocide, right? You know, Palestine, the Palestinian genocide. I mean, they fucking dish out more words than the children who actually died in the same hour that Charlie Kirk was shot in, you know. But that's normalized violence, though. That's not even violence to them. That's just business as usual. But again, Charlie Kirk represents like. Yeah. Charlie Kirk represents like, you know, like, well, you know, at least we live in Trump's America, you know, we should all be able to like engage, you know, in, in, in, um, nonviolent political debate, you know.

I can see someone, let's say like someone not really political stumbles onto this podcast and listens to it. And like, I can see someone saying that like, how is it any different from what you all do by inciting hatred and violence against millionaires and billionaires. and politicians and all this. Like, let's say, you know what I mean? I could see someone saying that. And to that, I have to say, like, you know, fair game. That's not a, that's not necessarily incorrect. I think the thing is, though, is that I don't really make it a point to incite violence against Palestinian children or let's not even talk about children, right?

Like, just regular everyday people who can't afford health care, who just get grounded. down to fucking mush from increasing inflation and low wages, not being able to afford rent locked out of the basic building blocks of equity in this country, like homeownership. And you know what I'm saying? Like these things that like social violence and social death, like those people,

I think the point is, is like I, yes, I will not try to like be milly-mouthed about this and try to, you know, try to, you know, try to pretend like I don't similarly hate and wish violence upon the people who do violence upon everyday oppressed and vulnerable people. But I guess that's the game, right? I guess that's like if I get shot in a very public, you know, spectacle way, then like I guess then the society has the right to pour over my legacy and the things that I've said and

done and determine, like, was it a life worth living? And I think that that's a question that that's, you know, I, you know, we should all be asking of ourselves every day. And I think that the, at the end of the day, it's like if you look back over your life and look back on a long lineage of saying, you know, black people are inferior, women should be in the home, gay people should not exist. Trans people are an affront to God, all this stuff. Child deaths, Palestinians are not real. That's what he said a week before he

died. That's the game of life. You have to live by your words and the legacy that you've built. And hopefully we all don't go out in a publicly violent way in the same way. But at the same time, again,

that's life. We're mortal. We live by our words and our deeds. And so I, I don't know. I mean, I can't really put it anymore plainly. I'll give the listener to this, man, you know, you know, if you ever heard me talk about, you know, inventive ways of like killing millionaires or politicians, right? All in jest, all in parity.

You know, I don't, my words, you know, I'm not saying I have a platform, but my words like aren't normalizing, like, for example, the burying of Jeff Bezos up to his neck. so that fire ants can eat his face alive. You know what I mean? Like, my words don't normalize and lead to the actions, right? And the, the... We have never told somebody to go out there and gun down somebody.

Do you know what I mean? We have never promoted some taxpayer-funded military... like paramilitary group to go harass a group of people. Right. We have jested about how it would be great if, like, some of these fuckers got their comeuppance one day. in cartoonish ways that is very different from somebody

directly connected to power sociopaths that can form a fucking like ice army and go harass people at Home Depot and stuff so it's not even it's not even A to B it's not I don't know I just I that is very different

also too like as you were saying Terrence like you know like it's a you know it's fair game if you know we were to say the things we saw and someone was to like you know I was get shot in there but if I especially me if I was to get shot that would just be normalized to people you know what I mean it would just be the death of another nigga dog you know what I'm saying but for charlie kirk for char and I'm just speaking about myself but for charlie kirk this is like a figure that that

half fucking not even half of america more than half of america 99.9% of people did not know who the fuck he was but now he's a martyr for the right and now actually too I wanted to mention before what it allows the liberals to do is that it allows them to now as they've always been doing allows them to align themselves or to ingratiate themselves more to the right. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? That's all it's going to do, man. It completes the right word lurch

we've been in for the last 40 years. I mean, it's just another step down that path. And I saw people saying like, you know, we shouldn't overreact because obviously they've already been doing these bad things and like, what does it really matter? I think the point is, it's an example of how violence is a very resonant political tool.

We've said that before. Like, that is something that, that is the reason why the right is so, if you listen, I think the thing is, like, going back to what we were saying a second ago, you know, what you were saying a second ago, Tom, like, we've never told anybody to go out and, like, do anything like that, except for the one time that Tom said that he would buy something for someone in Florida for uh vandalizing a shot for breaking somebody's knees no i think yeah or say yes breaking a window out of a shot yeah it was his knees okay fair i did inside a form of property violence one time um but i think the thing is is that the

the left as a whole still even to this day um does not practice a daily violence a daily of violence and praxis of violence and there are many reasons for that one is one of which is that there's just not a lot of us and others that we can't afford it both financially but also politically we can't afford that

yeah we can't afford that yeah you're on the back foot in these times you know what I mean for one but also the thing is is that violence dehumanizes you when you do it and the left that means that for people

people ask, how did a person like Stalin come to power? The thing is, is that you kind of, if you want to beat the right, you kind of have to get a person or a group of people who themselves have committed great acts of violence and are willing to meet the right on their terms. And that is something that, we're all nice people here, mostly on the left. We don't want to do that. We don't want to engage in that because.

violent dogmatism you know what I mean yeah like we're dogmatism that does lead to violent it is anathema to a project that looks out for the well-being of every people or that seeks to at its loftiest ideals like to engage in like that kind of stuff obviously it's been necessitated at different points in history clearly so I'm not going to say there's never been a thing is left-wing violence or whatever and sometimes that's that is just what the moment brings you to and you know but it's not it's not like that's not like that's the fucking like goal you know what I mean well and I just want the strategy about politics and I just want to point out for people that are going to misinterpret this because that seems to be what people are

really good at I'm not making a value judgment either one way the other I'm saying scientifically rationally like just looking at it from the outside looking in like this is what violence is is the purpose it serves as an instrument of or a tool of political organizing or whatever this is what it is and um i don't and i could be wrong maybe i'm completely out of touch i'm you know fucking i see 40 on the horizon i've been on the on the left for 15 years at this point i don't i haven't met a whole lot of people who are uh on the left who are that dialed into the use of violence as spectacle and as organizing principle um i know they exist uh i know i'm gonna get some emails or fucking people telling me like what a blah blah blah

blah like you know you're a liberal terence blah blah blah blah the fact of the matter is is that i'm still not ready to just fucking kill somebody because that's again that is a dehumanizing act that like is very tough it's why it's hard to watch someone like that get their top blown off i mean it takes to do the act takes something out of you exactly right it's a very serious thing i mean it's a very serious thing you know it's like yeah so i guess my my point my point in saying all that i only have one point in saying all that just that i don't think that someone on the left did this i mean i just don't in the same way like this is where you get really kind of this is where it gets difficult because you start walking this fine line between like people talking about like the burning

of the police precinct and conosha like did someone did a did a provocateur or agitator do that did was luigi a patsy like was all is all of this orchestrated behind the scenes or were they genuine expressions of genuine outrage and grievance and so it's hard to like thread that needle right like how much of this is actually organic

and coming from a left wing point and how much of it is organized by parapolitical instrumentation I've never met I'll tell you what bro I never met a DSA or PSO member who could hit somebody in the neck from 200 yards away That's pretty crazy.

I've never, I'm just, I'm not saying that they left us out there that are pretty good shots. But the way this happened and occurred, it looks like someone with, um, extensive training that might not be, you know, uh, you know, I don't know. Shooting, shooting a, I mean, Tans is talking about this, you know, shooting a target out in the desert from 200 yards away is very different than shooting a person, 200 yards away that's moving, that's under a gazebo. You know, like, that's right. I just have a hard time believing that was some cowboy, you know what I mean? Also, another figure that's largely a creation of our imagination. Right, right, right. Yeah.

Well, you know, Charlie Kirk is going to be a right-wing Jesus, man. Well, we need to start wrapping this up, but I just final thoughts. I think it's the point is, is that we have been running this motherfucker hot, too hot for too long and I saw like some Fox News host maybe it was like Janine Perino who the fuck knows I don't know the name to any of those people she was like

America needs a circuit breaker like this must stop and it's like well I'm sorry to tell you but that's not happening like I said we have been running this thing too hot for too long we've stripped out the fucking copper wiring we stripped it down for parts

we've determined that there are people who are eligible and acceptable for predetermined death, premature death. It is now basically the liquidationist era. And so what that means is that you will start to have

more and more ambient violence. And it's kind of like you said earlier, Aaron, at a certain point, it doesn't even necessarily mean this is even necessarily matter who individually is behind it. It does for sure

when it's like Peter Till or whatever, I think the point is, is that as an ambient emergent phenomenon in a society that has basically determined it is going to exterminate itself, basically so that Israel can continue doing what it wants to do, that's, those are, those are the cost of doing business. And there's no circuit breaker in a society like that. That means it is on one. The circuit breaker is turn your back on Israel. Yeah, well, you're right. I think the thing is, it's like, well, yeah, and choose life basically we're on one goddamn path at this point and the skids are greased and it is only you can't throw a break on or a circuit breaker to stop that unless you start viewing human

life as worthy as as just as equal to if not superior to the profit motive the ecology is worth saving these things that want us to continue surviving on the planet but that is not the path we have currently chosen. So until then, you get no fucking circuit breaker. We're all locked in the same goddamn Jones town as everybody else. It don't make a fuck what you believe or how you believe it's it's... Yeah. And last thing I'll say, man, I think as a client had mentioned that I'm, you know,

the right using this as an inciting event, you know, for some, you know, rice sag, I guess against the left or whatever. I'm sorry, brother, that's already happened, you know? and um you know as as you know he said mentioned to you know this that was 9-11 that was yeah exactly he's mentioned this right brother y'all could have had the same aims without killing charlie brother what he mentioned to this cannibalism you know um you know this cannibalism that ends up eating the right the right eats itself as well if that was to happen if it decided to persecute the left like that um you know again i don't want to i don't want to you know i don't want to invite

conspiracy but i think that's already happened i think if we find out that this person was actually conservative and disagreed with Charlie Kirk, whatever the case may be, I think this has already happened, you know. This has already happened as well. So we're already there, brother, you know. Yeah. We're already there. It's just about what kind of violence we see as normal and the kind of violence that we see is, uh, you know, worthy of outrage and outcry and suppression, you know. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. All right. Um, Tom, but do you have any final thoughts? No, no.

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