Trillbilly Worker's Party - Episode 412: For Those Afraid To Rock

Episode Date: October 2, 2025

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I got to get in the habit to wear my glass so every time you see me without these on, he'd just smack my hand. Without them on. I just can't get used... I hate having something on my face, you know what I mean? It's like, it feels like I'm... You get used to...

Swatting it nads or something. You get used to having something on your face. You said that with a sombrella. Okay, then. I've had glasses since second grade. Yeah, did you... Was there a learning curve with you? You first put them on?

Yeah. Or did it feel like putting the... It felt like the floor was closer. Okay. You don't want to experience that? What do you mean? The literal floor? You're talking about like the start of life.

Oh. The literal floor. Okay, okay. I thought you were going... I had a whole new... Yeah. I had a whole new life when I started wearing glasses. Yeah, the floor is certainly not closer now.

I mean, I wore contacts for like... I started wearing contacts only seventh grade. So how old was, like, 13? And then I stopped wearing them when I was around my mid to late 20s. I said I'm a glasses guy. How'd you make the matriculation? Was it a hard? Contacts to glasses?

Yeah. I could never be a contacts guy. I just, I hate touching my eyeballs. I hate the whole process of putting them in. Plus, I would just be lazy. Now, sometimes you just like lay on the couch and watch a movie and forget to brush your teeth and you wake up that gross taste in your mouth yeah i hate that but what i hate more is the ritual having to walk to the bath in some ways yeah so yeah so yeah

contacts probably wouldn't be good for you so i have to brush my teeth after dinner every night like after my last meal of the day otherwise i'm going to lay on the couch and wake up with that gross taste yeah that's true yeah because if you fall asleep with your contacts in just one time you're gonna die the next day. Yeah, brain to me instantly. One day. One day. 24 hours all it takes from a car.

Sometimes it's even less than that. Sometimes if you just don't take your contacts out at like 2 p.m., you'll probably get a brain to me by at least 9 p.m. That's a scary world we live in. Really, you can only have your contacts in for about 30 minutes a day. Yeah. That's true. You can only have good vision for half an hour.

That's your window. Do your most important tasks in that window. This is the Rand Paul Optomology Radio Hour. You know, Rand Paul's an ophthalmologist. Is he? Yeah. Okay. That's how we got to start.

What's the difference to an optimologist and optometrist? Or wait. That's what I think I meant to say. What is the difference? Watch an ophthalmologist is like a prostate doctor or something. It's a prologist. They study your spleen. Or urologist.

An ophthalmologist studies your spleen. What's the most arcane doctor that you can actually carve a career at how that is? Okay, an ophthalmologist is a doctor who specializes in eye care. Okay. All right, now we've got to ask, what's the difference? Is it like, is an optometrist, like, is an optometrist to an ophthalologist what a DO is to an MD? Um, yes. Well, no, because an ophthalmologist could be an MD or a DO, but an optometrist has a doctor of optometry degree and provides primary

eye care. So they're a D-O-2, but a different, or an O-D. Oh, dude. I just got really pissed off. I'm sorry. Because I don't know.

Because I can't find the answer. Well, that's all right. You know, sometimes in life, there just is no answer. Maybe it's like this. An ophthalmologist studies the eye. An optometrist studies the lens. The lens of the eye.

No, no, no, not of the eye, but the glasses. The glasses. The machine part. Oh, that is true, because the optometrist, you have to go look through that grill. I've not been a regular.

optometry. In fact, before I started going from my yearly exam, the last time I went was in May of 95. I just took a long, took a break. From getting my eyes checked. It turned out, it turned out, let me tell you, when you take a 30 year

break, it turns out you probably need some backup work. Anyway, do you have a stigmatism? No. My vision is steadily getting worse than my left eye. I'm Lisa left eye lopez all that getting spooged in your eyes it takes a toll it takes a toll getting

cum shots in your face well the thing i'm learning more and more every day is the you know as i've said often the heavy hand of time comes for every man yeah the bell tolls for me now turns why are you dying no i'm not dying well i mean i guess everybody's dying but not everybody not um who's not dying right now Don Trump? Who's living? Who's living rather than dying? I don't think Donald Trump's ever been alive per se.

Uh-huh. He's the undead. He's kind of the undead. I don't mean that in like if he's vampiric kind of way. Dick Cheney. I just mean that his hands are blue and he's probably going to live another hundred years. Yeah, that's true. That's true.

They've got some kind of serum that keeps these guys in business. Mitch McConnell looks like, he looks like sludge now. He does. He looks like he's melting. He's going to live another 40, probably. Rand Paul, though. That guy. What happened to him?

At one point in time, he was like... He used to stand for something, didn't he? Sort of. He was standing until his neighbor beat that ass. That's when he said, you know what, if you can't beat him, join him. I love his neighbor beat that ass. He didn't beat that ass. What if that happened to Donald Trump?

What if somebody just beat Donald Trump's ass? What would happen then? Like, what? Well, that person would never see the light of day again. That's true. Obviously. But would it be worth it? What if you just had like a terminal diagnosis?

And you said, you know what? My parting gesture to the world, you're picking up something? I don't know. It's doing some weird thing. I've never seen it do before, the machine. Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you. Well, it's October. The veil's getting thinner.

Oh, that's true. Joe Diffy's probably... I always forget about that, yeah. You get to talk to your ancestors. Yeah. You say, Grandpa, great, great, grandpa, what do you do about the state of the world? How do you keep on stroking?

And then they just... Listen up, Sonny. Listen up, sonny. And I was over fighting the war. Dude, that is, I mean, it's an old tired joke on every single podcast ever, but, um, The fact that they used to talking like that is crazy. Could you imagine him talking about Charlie Kirk getting shot in that voice? Got popped right on the neck, Paryok 6.

Got shot like a goddamn help. 300 yards. 300 yards. The bullet traveled 300 yards. Put him down clean. Put him down clean. Pissed right through his neck and he felt like a little deer. This could only be the working massage.

Yeah, some things are classics for reasons. because they never get old. Yeah, that's true. Like the modern conspiracy culture, but told by 1940s radio voice. Which somebody told me was actually not real. Was it a chimera? The voice?

Yeah, apparently that they, something that has something, I don't know if this is true or not, but somebody told me that they used to have to pitch voices up because of the limitations of audio equipment. So that's why everybody sounded like that, even though they didn't really talk like that in real life. They didn't talk like that in real life?

But this is bullshit. I hope. I hope. I don't want to live. Why is it that everything in life that you hold dear and you cherish... Bob Dylan does still talk like that, so you're... Not really. That's actually kind of an exaggeration, too. Bob Dylan doesn't sound like. Bob Dylan's got a low voice. You don't think Bob Dylan kind of sounds like you sound?

He's like, opening up that pussy. That's exactly what he sounds like. No, do you... You're talking about 1940's radio voice Where's that in Bob Dylan's voice? No, no, no, no. Bob Dylan doesn't talk like that.

I mean, Bob Dylan, how you do Bob Dylan? That's how Bob Dylan really talks. That's not fake. That's not fake? Yeah. Hmm. But the 1940s radio voice thing is fake. Somebody said that.

I don't, I choose not to believe that. But it's also you can't prove it because if that's, if your only audio recordings or people talking like that, people talking. That's the only record you have. That's true. You know?

So if we had audio recordings of ancient Egypt or ancient Greece, would they also be talking about that? Like, Sagittes drank the hemlock. They drank the hemlock. Put him down clean. Put him down clean. Our boys are across seas fighting in the Palapinacian War. Our boys would just take the Carpathians. They met her with a teller.

It was met with hostility. 300 soldiers at the Pass of Thermopyla Therboli Took down 20,000 Persians

40,000 by some counts They said there's a million-man Persian army But On the ground against say

It's more like 40,000 It's just a lot of them So yeah So that's Past a certain threshold It's always a million-man army Once you get above 500,000,

Who's really counting? A hunchback trader that should have been discarded. Sold our boys out of the past at Thermopy. A mother's life saved him. His greed cost a nation. More at nine. Yep. Everything you hold dear and true to you will be proven false at some point in your life.

Or what are some things that are, you know, still real? I thought that's an inventory you have to take in society now. That's true. Every day you've got to say, well, what's going well? What's real? I don't know. I thought, for some reason, I don't know why I thought this, But I thought Jane Goodall was a eugenicist.

And then I did see people online saying that she was. But then I looked it up just now. Here's the thing, man. Here's what, here's the thing. Here's where awokeness ran off in the woods with the current regime. Okay. They're two sides of the same coin in a way. And I don't mean that.

And then like, I'm not left or right. You know, like what way? What I mean is that like I think when you die, a well-intentioned person will look at something you did and make an argument that it was actually part of some sort of neo-fascist whatever and then the right will just call you a gay pussy so you really can't win in either schematic you know what I mean

and I'm not saying the center just doesn't there's just the center can't hold so we won't even address what the centrist position there's no there's no I guess what it is is we should strive to be less annoying leftists. And that's the message of Jane Goodall. I started to say Rachel Carson's down. Jane Goodall lived with the apes, right? She did.

Okay. She lived with them, yeah. I have a memory, very specific memory of her dying around 92. For some reason, I have a memory of her dying around the time our boys went to Barcelona and took home golden basketball. They went to Barcelona and took all the golden basketball. Michael Johnson Michael Johnson He was a runner

Magic Johnson May have contracted AIDS during this time When was When did the Michael Magic Johnson AIDS? When did Michael John

Was he a runner? He was a runner in the 90s Yeah, it was confusing He had the gold shoes I remember He had the gold shoes It was confusing when you were a kid Because there was Michael Johnson

Michael Jackson Michael Jordan Michael Tyson Michael Tyson Magic Johnson There was a lot of MJs. A lot of MJs. Michael's, a big name, man.

Yeah. When was, when the Magic Johnson thing debut? When did Magic Johnson drop his AIDS diagnosis? In the early 90s, I think. Because I was watching, 91. That makes sense. I was watching an episode of Simpsons the other day where Magic Johnson cameos in the Simpsons. Yeah.

What was that fucking, that's the, oh, that's the episode where. Homer there's a meltdown at the nuclear facility and Homer just any mini-mini mose it and just hits a button and it stops it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And everybody's like, you know,

we love you, Homer, we love you. But he knows deep down that he's just a fraud that he just doesn't know actually how to stop nuclear mountdowns. They just, blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, there was a lot of

Michael's back in those days. Yeah. There was. Michael Angelo. Wasn't there Michael, an angel named Michael? Yeah, that was the movie with John Travolta.

We played an angel named Michael. He was like a bad angel. But yeah, I thought that was in the Bible, though. Wasn't there a bad angel named Michael in the Bible? Or am I thinking of like... Michael. My name's Michael. And I'm in the Bible.

Was there a Michael in the Bible? it's good question there's archangel gabriel and maybe that's what i'm thinking of he was he was a he was a warrior i'm the gabriel i'm the gabriel could have picked a better name for a what's real and what's not i'll tell you one thing that's real the trend of those videos of old women carrying boulders on that glass bridge in china and then breaking the glass bridge and then everybody falls to their death. Oh, yeah, yeah. I was thinking about that when we're watching Sorcerer the other day. I was like, I hope they don't tumble until some AI slop explosion there.

We need to remake Sorcerer, but with that detail. I will say this. Obviously, I hate AI and it should be banned, but I do like the videos of the old ladies carrying boulders onto the glass bridge and then falling backwards and breaking it and people plummet to their death. I wonder why they chose to do that. I don't know, but I like it. Is it, you think it's, I, I have a feeling that kind of stuff is trying to desensitize us to sweaty palms.

Remember, like, when those, you'd see those snuff videos a couple years ago, be people doing parkour and they'd slip and just. Dye? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Like, maybe it's just like. Why do they want to desensitize us? Because I think, if the current sobering job numbers are to be believed,

I think we're getting ready to go back on steel beams. You know, suspended high above the city. Right. Our jobs are making clowns. You're going to get a job as a cloud maker? A cloud cedar. A cloud cedar. But you do it by hand.

You do it like artisanally. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fluff them up like you would a pillow. We're doing Jewish space lasers, but by hand. But by hand. Some craftsmanship. Cloud seeding, now that stuff kind of interested me a little bit, but I'd never put much stock in the Jewish space laser thing.

mostly because I don't even think lasers are everybody wants lasers to be real yeah that's another one real or not we love we want lasers to be real but there's only been one documented use of one and that was on 9-11

when they shot the second tower they shot it with the laser beam oh I didn't know that yeah I think they shot the first tower with the laser beam too they say they could take appendixes out and stuff with those now but I don't see much evidence for the appendices.

Appendices, thanks. Appendices. Appendixes, yeah. It's appendices, that's true. Yeah, that was wrong with me. Anyway, should we get to the jobs numbers? Negative 30,000. No, 52,000 now.

Oh, negative 52. Now, there is some good news there. There is some good news there. We've replaced the 52,000 loss. There has been a gain of 53,000. in race hustling so in the end it bounces out but we've had more a lot of people that have lost their jobs moved to the race hustling sector so it's lucrative these days it's never been more lucrative you can say so that's good I was worried about it but it's as long as

it's picking up we need we needed a jobs program for race hustlers that's not yeah yeah I mean, there's a government shut down, and they said that they're going to have to lay off a lot of workers, too. Yeah. I saw the real, I mean, all jokes, I saw the real numbers. One point could reach 1.5 million people furlough today. Doug, dog. I've got to apologize to every lib out there right now. Okay.

I do believe Donald Trump's an agent of the Kremlin now. I'm accepting that lib conspiracy ass. And the only reason why is he is absolutely playing like a man trying to throw it. Uh-huh. You don't play this way unless you're trying to throw it. You know what I mean? I mean, them getting all the generals together in a room and telling them how fat and lazy they are is a pretty good bit. You got to admit.

Well, here's the thing, though. The thing about that is, though, is, is, are they forgetting who undergirds their power, though, is those guys. The generals? Here's the thing, I think I'm an outlier on this. I don't think the generals give a fuck, man. I think they're just... They're getting a paycheck like the rest of them. Yeah, they're just as like detached and...

You could tell when he was giving that speech and he was thought he was really cooking. There was just like a smattering of applause. I mean, because I don't think the generals care. They're just like us. This thing is cooked. Everybody knows it. It's like the hyper normalized late Soviet years

where everybody knows it's cooked but nobody wants to do anything about it and nor can we even really. We're all kind of just sleepwalking. Everybody's just sort of watching it happen. We say, all we do, here's what we do. This is not normal. Yeah.

Well, it kind of is now. This is year, this is year nine of Trump, getting ready to be year 10, essentially. I mean, yeah. The error, if we wanted to stop this. The time to stop this would have been as soon as he came down that escalator. 1776.

Yeah, 1776. We're going to nip this in the bud immediately. Yeah. It is crazy to think about the grand arc of history. If Baron von Trump, the Drumpf the 16th or whatever, is the Liv's room. The lives used to love to call him Drump. They loved that for a while.

If like, for example, just for example, This is why history is so important, okay? That's why it's so important. If Frederick von Drumpf the sixth of the Bavarian Black Forest would have just contracted something like, I don't know, whatever the Bavarian equivalent of consumption would be, none of this would have transpired. Like every little thing had to happen exactly so.

Man, it's like the Adjustment Bureau, bro. Yeah, dude. Butterfly. Butterfly, Affleck, man. Affleck. Affleck. Aft. Butterfly flet.

Yeah, you're right. If someone just little thing happened to have happened the way it did, we wouldn't have Hakeem Jeffries on a live stream at 2 a.m. saying, Jim Z is in the house. Did he say that?

To 58 viewers. For 58 viewers. Actually, let me read you what he said. It's pretty bad. I mean, honestly, reading this, I got really kind of, he says y'all I ain't scared

Jeffrey says evoking his hip hop past when as a high schooler going by the moniker Kid Fresh No no he did Yeah kid fresh No

He nurtured dreams of a rap career I'm from Brooklyn We get down like Shirley Chisholm Unbought and unbossed at all times So Mr. President Allow me to reintroduce myself No he didn't use Jay Z No he didn't

I'm the House Democratic leader the House Democratic caucus is 217 member strong. But apparently at that moment, not even that many people were watching the stream. But this goes back to what you're saying a second ago. You got to make sure you got an audience before you do corny rap references. This goes back to what you were saying a second ago. Because then the White House communications director,

Stephen Chung, posts to X that the at White House is slonging Democrats on the viewer account. It's just, dude, it's just Slonging? Slonging. Okay, one. Nobody gives a flying fuck who Jay-Z is anymore. These kids, Gen Z, you're going to dress Gen Z and do a J-Z reference. They don't care about that.

Y'all, I'm from Brooklyn. Schlonging is something. That's what they would have said in 93 on Beavis and some butt. It's like we just, it's just this hodgepodge of pastiche, man. It sucks so bad. We're, we, on both sides, like, I really am a both sideser. There are corny people on both sides. I'm a both sideser, but like maybe the left, maybe what we need to do, because here's the thing.

Our whole conception of what is left and right all just goes back to one moment during the French Revolution when the people who happened to be a little more liberal and progressive lined up on the left side of the auditorium and the people who are a little more conservative lined up on the right side of the auditorium. And from henceforth... We've been stuck there. We've been stuck there ever since. So maybe what the left needs to do

is we just need to stop calling ourselves the left and not get rid of directions all in general. No left, right center. Like, it's just, we're just communists. Yeah. It doesn't come from the left or the right or the center. It's just like, I mean, yeah, it's left between me and you. It's left, right.

Obviously. but but to the layman it's communism yeah it's directionless it comes from god i guess it's yeah it was brought under man not that damn it's emerging it's emerging from within us that's true so that which means it has it comes from no direction that's true i don't have a direct i won't be defined by a direction i won't be defined by direction yeah not diracia not escharida well i was thinking about this last night like um we talk about like righteous gangsterismo righteous gangster ismo righteous gangster ismo with insane characteristics let's unpack that a little bit okay okay is like this is our program okay um we've talked about the righteous part quite a bit on this show but let's talk about the gangster

esmo part yeah that's where we're lacking i think that's where we're lacking i think that's where we're lacking. I think that what we need to start doing is basically, you know, the mafia in the old days used to run the unions, but we just need to cut that out and side with the unions and then start going and shaking down like, I don't know, the fucking healthcare executives or whatever. But start small. Like we start taking over hospitals. We need to start taking over hospitals and have them kick up to us. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Run the hospital like a pyramid scheme. But for righteousness. But for righteousness. Yeah, not for. Because I started to say, they're already doing that.

I don't know if you've been to the doctor. Yeah, but it's an inverted pyramid. Yeah, it's true. I guess. I don't know. Yeah. I went to try to get a COVID shot yesterday, uninsured. And they tried to charge me $220.

God, damn. I was like, yeah. I just take my chance. We need to start taking street corners, is what I'm saying. Yeah. That's the gangster is my part. Yeah. We need street corners.

Today it's the Rosemont Garden neighborhood. Yes. Or whatever they call this. Tomorrow. Yeah. Manhattan. Then we take Berlin. And then we take Berlin.

And then we're going to Tokyo. Yeah. Well, I did, just how, I mean, there's nothing I can say that hasn't already been said five million, a billion times, but slonging the Democrats, we're slonging the Democrats. We're losing to the slonging, but then you look, yeah, then you look over to the people being schlonged, and they have like 58 views, and they're like, I'm sure let's chisle. I'm sure. I'm cut from the same cloth as Martin Luther King. And it's like, Damn. I don't know about that.

Damn, boy. Damn. I'm like, I'm like Terminator X. I'm going to tell you something. I want to tell you something. Unisix. Before I would come out and say and echo my past as a character named Kid Fresh. There's any number of things I would rather done.

One of those is walking the oncoming traffic. Oh, yeah. You'd rather kill yourself than be Tert Kid Fresh. No, it's not that. It's not that I was kept. It's just siding my hip-hop bona fides. Damn. Damn, Hakeem.

I'm coming at you. Like, freaking, um... Dude, it really is bad news if you are the opposition party and you're getting as many views on a stream as like, well, you can say what you want to about my program. I could... a guy that's bad a guy in like iowa who's got a nightly stream about his like star wars figurines has more has more viewers than the leader of the democratic party and none of this is clicking

none of this is clocking to them it probably is clocking to them they probably just don't really care that much someone someone in the like dingiest loneliest basement you've ever seen going on a eight-hour live stream by Dr. Jacoby-esque Yes, about how they're... But, but it's not even about politics or anything like that.

It's like him holding up every single one of his Boba Fett figurines. Yeah. Like that has more viewers than what is supposedly our only hope. 58, bro.

58. Oh, man. I mean, that's true. They were getting schlonged. They're getting schlonged. He's not wrong about that. That verb is way out of use. No one says shlonged anymore.

No, that's, that's, yeah, that's, I don't like them trying to bring it back even. Gen Z is in the house, y'all. Did he really say that? No, not him. That one guy named Max Frost. Maxwell Frost. He said, Jim Z is in the house. Oh, okay. Yeah. Well, people are really encouraged to see this fight we are putting up. Who said that? Maxwell Frost. That's so tight, dude. What's the fight they're putting up? I'm not sure. I don't know if they're keeping score here. There's 1.5 million people furloughed, and every government website you get on says the radical left did this. Like, seriously, in the agency.

Pick one. That one was pretty funny. I think I broke that story. I broke the HUD story. Just because I have a friend that works at HUD and was like, yo, go check out the HUD website. So then I posted it and then the fucking annoying accounts like Republicans for Trump and Rob Filikowski or whatever, all those like Midas Touch people.

then they started tweeting it too and it looked like I just was doing lib tweeting for a day that's all right you get one a year you get damn I'm way over quoted then I'm good for the next seven years yeah I've done some serious

lib tweeting what you've been putting out there Donald pictures Donald Trump give him pooping a blowjob it's just the silhouette of the two what else I've done my fair sure resist this is not normal you did some this not

normal? I did some this is not normal, yeah. You know, I mean... They're saying this is not normal. Let me ask you a question. Do you think in retrospect that we should have believed the autocrat and recognized this as a head fake? Think of the early days

of Trump, like the early post-election coverage. Did they end up being correct? I think the libs were right about some things. But just because the libs... Let's do a little truth in reconciliation What do they What have they gotten right

And where they still got work today Let's try to meet Let's try to meet the live in the middle Where they like to be men Maybe the Russia gate stuff isn't all entirely false That's what I'm saying, man It seems as if though That may not be entirely false

Like I saw I saw Trump It's crazy because Trump Desensitizes you to like the gravity of things but I saw like he's just like holding court and something somebody a friend of mine sent me this clip and he's just like

I went home and I said first lady I had a great talk with Vladimir today great talk first lady yeah and he said then I turned on the news and saw he's bombed a nurse and home I was like sheesh unbelievable this guy

like it was just like yeah he said something recently that was like my relationship with him wasn't what I thought like he feels betrayed by black he feels betrayed by Vladimir. Well, but did you see, like, two weeks ago, they were like, no, we're going to keep giving weapons to Ukraine. And in fact, you know, you could see, Trump was like, you know, you could see even Ukraine turning the tables in marching on Moscow. It's like, dude. It's like a boxing match. And like, because the whole thing is thrown and they have to fall in the eighth round, like, you keep trying to like keep the boxer, even though he's like, like, he's like, like, like bloodied, bleeding out of his every orifice just completely out of his mind.

They keep trying to like, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on. Let's slapping him in the face. Like, go out and out there, take another beating for another round. Don't you die on me, you bastard. Just so every, just so like three arms, just so like three corporate corporations can make the most money. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dude, that's like cut and unraveled so fast.

Like, you see that those scenes from me. that debate where the guy's like, no new taxes are off the table except for millionaires. We got, they're the job creators. We can't touch them. Yeah. It's like people are just like rolling over to that reality. You know what I'm right? It is like, we are every bit the fucking kiss-ass society that we suspected we were,

but we like, we like that veil of like, no man, when tyranny comes for us, we kick ass. Oh, we don't. Was that New Jersey, I think? That was like the New Jersey Republican primary for governor maybe? Yeah, I think that's wrong. That was a funny quote. He was like, look, we can't touch our millionaires. We're not going to touch our millionaires.

Apparently not. They're not doing a very good job. And they're not on the other end of the bargain looks like. That's true. It's like if millionaires are the job creator, it's like, why aren't they doing their fucking jobs? Why is there 54,000 people? That's probably a conservative estimate out of a job. And now 1.5 million government, just government workers on top of that.

Yeah. yes sir what happens during a government shut down exactly I think that like what do you do if you're just like a bureaucrat somewhere do you just like you get for a load you just don't go to work just don't go to work don't get paid I was a visa one year when the government shut down oh it is right when Obama they shut it down on Obama

yeah 2013 something like that yeah and I just didn't get paid I just didn't have to go to work yeah that was a different time though I think that John Boehner was the speaker at that time maybe. Yeah, and remember we were...

Ryan, I think. What was that guy's name? Tim Ryan? Paul Ryan. Paul Ryan. The kitchen got too hot for him. He just got out of politics all together. And honestly, he got out at,

probably for him the wrong time. He'd probably have been flourishing right now. Yeah. But the thing I remember about him is how he had that photo of him lifting weights and listening to Rage Against the Machine. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's the only thing I remember about that guy. That guy's completely, like, unmemorable. Let me throw another name out, actually there. Eric Cantor. Yeah. Remember like this? Yeah, these were the bogey man of like the...

They got eaten alive by the... Just pre-Ferguson era. I feel like Ferguson, when that all popped off, then it was like a different epoch for a while. They were kind of the first victims of the right-wing, quote-unquote, populism. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Of the 2000s anyways.

Yeah. I mean, right-wing populism has had a long life. Yeah, yeah, yeah. since the 60s. Still doing, still doing, still, still, still humming along, mostly unchecked. Wait, wait, wait, so we were doing truth and reconciliation with the lips. With the lips, okay. So, Russiagate.

We're going to say Rushagate. We're going to give them a little ground on that. I'll give them a little ground on Rushagate. There's probably, um, it definitely seems like, I don't know. Because basically the claim of Rushagate is that in 2016, Putin created millions of fake Facebook accounts that basically destabilized reality so much that people wound up voting for Trump. And so I think that did happen, whether or not that actually had an effect on the election or not, that's a whole other thing. But I think the problem was, at that time, was it let Hillary off the hook.

That's why I so vehemently rejected Russia gate. Yeah. It wasn't so much that there was no, never any credence to that whatsoever, but it's like, it just let the Democratic Party up. It gave them a convenient, like, a thing to point at when they ate shit themselves and ransomate nobody wanted. I think maybe let's, well, you didn't want, I was pantsuit nation. Yeah, you were Pan Suited Nation, right? I was in the group. That's true.

I, uh, I voted for Obama. You voted for the Obongler? A third time. A ride-in vote. And it's like, no, I think things are going A-LK. I actually didn't vote for Obama in 2012. That's a funny concept. Voting for him in 2008, not 2012, but rewrite them in for 2016.

Yeah, like, yeah, yeah. I think I should maybe give him the ball back here. So we're going to give Libs 10%. Let's say we'll grant them 10% of Russia Gates correct. I'd give them up to 20. Ooh, I'd give them up to 20. Give them up to 20. Yeah, only because of the fact.

of Donald Trump's absolutely playing like a guy trying to throw the match, you know. Yeah. But he also kind of has that. I mean, really, he just literally said, I don't care. There's nothing to decode here. They asked him, what do you think about, like, people losing trouble? He's like, yeah, I'm going to take some meat for this, but I don't care. What they asked him, they were like, what do you think?

They were like, I think the question was, this was like on Good Morning America or something. It was like, what do you need to do to get the country back on track to, like, fix it? Unify the country. And he was like, I don't care. All right. So Russia Gate, you're saying 20%. We'll say 15. And you're at 10.

I'm at 20. We'll split it at 15%. All right. We'll say 15% of Russia gate is true. That's true. Obviously, they have a piss tape on Trump. Oh, yeah, yeah. And that's the least weird tape anybody's got on Trump.

That was the first. funniest claim of Reschigate, which I am inclined to believe, sure. Why not? I mean, who knows, but it's funny to believe. What about, all right, there's Rushagate. The second, this is not normal. Is this normal? 100%.

100%. We'll give them 100%. This is not normal. If I can give you more, I would. You were completely right about that. Next. What are some other lib? claims other lip claims um pussy bites back um that's more like a vibe yeah that's true it's not a claim that's a yeah that's what's like a vibe um what is the other central claim the russians

got the election the russians got the election this is not normal this is not normal um oh Kamala wouldn't have deported or where you were going to say? No, no, no, I was going to pivot to Kamala, I guess now. Do we have any Hillary things to

grade them on before we get too far away from that? The emails? Oh, the emails thing... But her emails. I'm going to tell you something right now. I've not admitted this to anybody.

The emails thing is kind of one of those things like baseball that I've been meaning to look into for years in. cared enough to just keep putting it off I kind of care I'm kind of interested

but I just keep for whatever reason for whatever reason kick them a kid kicking the end what happened with the emails refresh me I would hear Lib say that a lot

in 2017 but her emails and I would go well yeah but inside I was like oh what the fucking drool me I was too caught up in the whole trend

of dunking on lips that I really didn't even maybe why I'm having a hard time getting through this segment is like I dunked on them a lot without interrogating any of their

claims. See, I have an excuse. I was deep in the throes of drug addiction and alcoholism, so. I was addicted to another drug. That's the satisfying penis. That's the satisfaction of dunking on your neighbor. Let's see. Yeah, the

emails thing was like Trump said there was wasn't Comey involved in that? Or was that a different thing? What's going on with Comey and Comy getting indicted or something right now? I think they're getting Comey. Yeah, I think they're going for Comey. That's enough of Robert Mueller. And the rule of belong, right.

No, no, no, no. Robert Mueller, the Mueller files. They put a lot of stake into the Mueller thing, and that panned out big. That was a huge whiff. I'm going to have to give them zero on that. At zero. Because that, they really bombed that one. Yeah, you really ate shit on that one.

Yeah. I remember there were some, like, cool guy streetwear brands that put out a shirt that said, God protect Robert Mueller during that time. Here's another thing. And it made me lose any interest in that stuff. I have face blindness In the same way that I have face blindness For white blonde women

And I'm not saying this wokely This is not a woke thing I'm literally If you put you have a condition Yeah if you I'm gonna be real with you At multiple times over the last few weeks I've thought that

My mother was Eric Kirk I've thought the woman Who's the press secretary For the White House was Erica Kirk She's not It's Caroline Levin Oh Caroline Leavis But like they look identical

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's when the spirit of Antichrist consumes you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you're still Christian Girl Autumn. Right. You know, it's like it's an internal conflict. It's like... You're right.

It's just like Christian Girl Autumn, like a normal person, but they're just spewing the worst things you could have made. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's kind of satanic possession that caused you all to look that way. Mm-hmm. Dead-eyed but blonde. Pumpkin

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We'll come back to Trumpkin All right, yeah, but yeah, Trump We'll stick in the oven Sound off in the comments You got anything on this front Trumpkin spice hop chop It's the phenomenon of Christian girl autumn

But evil And racist Yeah, Trumpkin spice crop lopp It's when you try to make racism cozy basically uh-huh so okay so but where I was going with that

is that like I have face blindness for um evil Christian cozy blondes and prosecutors who are supposed to be resist you got Robert

Mueller and James Comey mixed up in the same way one might do like Nick Nolte and Gary Busey yes I still do Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, when people were talking about how this week, or last week, like, they're going after Comey, I was like, the guy that did the files. Like, I, I literally, but no, he's the emails guy, I think. Mueller was the files guy, Comey was the emails guy.

Do you remember there used to be a podcast called Mueller, she wrote? That was the number one, like, you would look at the Patreon charts and it would be like, you'd see like, you know, the choppo boys up there and all that kind of stuff. but, like, number one was always Mueller. Mueller, she wrote. Mueller, she wrote. Great name. Great name.

I love that. God. Okay, so you'll give them an A on the name, but an F on the execution. I don't even, yeah, we would have to listen. Let's listen to a whole episode of Mueller, she wrote on our podcast.

No, that would bring up. Like one from like 2020. Yeah. Right in the thick of it when people were excited. Are they still doing that podcast? I wonder? I think they'd change their name or something. Like, it's the same.

would have to because people don't like Mueller wasn't a name that stuck yeah it would be like calling your like podcast of COVID reference or something here's another one Merrick Garland call me Mueller and Merrick Garland I get those confused all the time a big three yeah what well who was Merritt Garland he was the guy that Obama was a real pussy on getting pushed through because Scalia was like hell no none of my watching Obama's like yeah you know what you're right and then Scalia died well who'd they wind up putting in instead of marylick garland marylick garland

was that brack cavanaugh or neil gorg okay that's that's that's another one dude brack cavana okay no no no not breck cavana these are the ghosts of the early trump era i remember cavanall because that was one of those this is not normal moments been and to be fair it was really crazy it was really crazy his hearing was nuts yeah um but

is that one where he said i I love beer. I love beer. I can't just quit running from his alcoholism. Gorsuch, Merrick Garland, James Comey, and Mueller. What is his first name? Robert. Robert Mueller.

Those four. That's the four horsemen of Terrence's faceblind, resist, live face blindness. Yeah. I couldn't pick those guys out of the lineup. I don't know any of those people. Like when people, I remember when. The Merrick Garland Gorsuch thing was happening for years. I thought Merrick Garland was on the Supreme Court.

Was he the Attorney General under Biden? Like, is that, like, he got fucked out of the Supreme Court because Obama's a pussy. And Biden was like, well, I'll just give you a May court job as the Attorney General. I guess. I don't know. All these people, their faces and names and accomplishments all run off in the woods together. I don't fucking know. That's true.

caught Kavanaugh, though. I remember that one. Because that was a This is Not Normal thing, and the Lips were kind of right about that. It was not... He said, I love beer. It ended up not being normal. Okay, so we got to give them zero on Mueller,

but was there a Comey thing? James Comey was another one of our bulwarks against the descent and the fascism, and that ended up not being... I saw people saying in the last few weeks that Comey's the reason we have Trump. what was the what was the he could have done something and he didn't was that the I guess

yeah maybe see this is this is how this is why I wouldn't be a good lib I wouldn't be a good live I don't keep up with the news well I just have face blindness for all these people I can't keep any of them I don't know what the difference is what it is now here's what it is you're getting your news through NPR again oh yeah so you're on the right track but that's a that's an audio medium that is true you're right you can't You don't watch, you don't watch any MSNBC. If you did, if you did, you would know for remarkable accuracy what they look like. Part of the issue, and this is the thing, if you want to stand out in today's, you know,

field, electoral field, you've got to do something crazy with your facial hair. We need sideburns and stuff. And handlebar mustache's, that way I could tell who people are. Like if Merrick Garland had a massive, you know, one of those gesture or one of those like old man choo like a little stringy foo man shoe if if nil gorsuch had like an old west like um but wild bill maxy curly mustache curly bill broskey or um val kilmer and tombstone yeah yeah like a mustache like doc holiday yeah then i could remember who james got to differentiate themselves with some whimsical facial hair choice

Otherwise, I don't fucking know who they are. James Combe, or Robert Mueller needs to go by old iron sides and go up the big mutton chumps. Yeah. That's the only way we can keep his guy straight. I'm saying, I'm a bad liberal just constitutionally, and I would imagine other people are the same. If they're being honest with themselves. Other people are like that, too. Yeah.

They don't fucking know any of these people. They can't tell them apart. Yeah, the Mueller thing was a zero percent. zero percent zero on rotten tomato we gotta give them a zero on that one they put a lot of eggs in that basket for it to yield not even a single conciliation point on our part i think it yielded a biopic with jeff daniels i think he played muller or gorsuch one of the five barric garland somebody jeff daniels is somebody uh huh damn um but Okay, because we've mostly just been talking about, like, Trump One during all this.

Anything else from Trump One that we were missing? Well, we didn't even get to the wild last days. What about when Nancy Pelosi were Deshiki, what do we give that one? That one they took the knee, wearing the... Yeah. And the FBI agents did that, too, and then they got fired this past week. Can you imagine getting fired? We're taking a knee in 2020.

that it's like, hey, everybody was doing it. You know, I like Trump's defense of the Epstein thing. Somebody reported on this last week. It was like, Palm Beach in 93, it was a different time. Yeah, yeah. In 2003, it was a different time. Everybody was doing child sex trafficking. Everybody.

Everybody was taking a knee in 2020. That's, that, I mean, I've said this before, but genuinely, the only thing I've ever seen Trump sweat is Epstein. That's it. If they had half a brand, they would. just keep hammering that. Dude, everywhere you looked on Twitter

for three or four days leading up to September 10th, when Charlie Kirk was just blah, blah. That fucking, that letter that Trump wrote he was a little on the ropes. He drew a fucking, the outline of a pre-pupescent girl and then signed his name as her Bush.

That fucking letter was everywhere. You mean to tell me the guy that was on the hot mic saying grabbing him by the pussy did not do that. Now we're talking like lips. It's a lip podcast. This is a lip podcast. Facebook boomer grandmas were fucking posting that shit.

And then Charlie Kirk got whacked and no one ever fucking mentioned it ever again. And Trump was so happy that it happened. So yeah, I think I'm doing very well, actually. See this beautiful ballroom where he's like, why did they get away from that? Yeah. Because their boy got got, well, they got him. They killed him. They got him.

They killed him. I don't believe that, I don't believe that the massage is. girl killed Charlie Kirk. I genuinely think it was true. I think it was just some guy Trump knew from Queens. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you don't need to outsource that. Well, as many people have pointed out, like, Israel doesn't need to do any of, like,

they're just doing a genocide regardless. Like, they don't need... Israel doesn't need pretense to do anything. No. They've got a blank check to do what the fuck they want that. Yeah, exactly. They don't need to be, like... Yeah.

It is fucking astounding that there is a flotilla of international citizens from around the world heading to Gaza just to deliver aid, which is not Israeli waters, by the way. They have no fucking jurisdiction there, and they can get interdited and then have their fucking ships taken over and then kidnapped and renditioned to Israel. and the entire fucking international community just shrugs. That's astounding. That's fucking crazy. I don't know. I mean, I don't talk about like this is not normal.

Like that's really. That's really not normal. No, that's fucking, I don't know, man. That's like getting caught, you know. That's the thing about lives. It's like their whole this is not normal thing. It only goes up to a certain point. But what's your alternative, though?

Hakeem Jeffries, speaking to 58 Americans. Like, that's the problem. It's like, I think a lot of times they rightfully diagnose the problems, but their answer to that is like, well, we just have to vote for Hakeem Jeffries at the ballot box. Well, Hockhream Jeffries is a manifestation of how hollow that is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, the fact that it could produce such like a, just a cardboard person. Well, and that the demand at this point is very, like,

plenty of people have reported on this I remember reading a headline in the New York Times as recently as three years ago that the majority of Americans don't care that democracy is dying in the dark dying in the dark

people don't give a shit that's another thing was that's another lit it was democracy dying in the dark yeah journalism objective journalism yeah done

okay that's definitely who are the brave truth Who are society's watchdogs now? Us. Is it on us? The podcast. That's how bad it is going. Speaking of...

Citizen journalists like us. I need to go pee. I'll get some water here. Okay. What about this? It doesn't really work. You kind of have to jam the round peg into the square hole.

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Trump can spice Spice blonde day Trump can spice I kind of like fried Because they do Obviously all look fried Okay Too much time in the tanning bed

That kind of type thing I haven't true why But spice I mean It can work I mean You don't love it though I don't know what really spice denotes in that context

It's all a contextual thing Okay Language is contextual, usually. Okay. Usually. Not always. Language doesn't kind of really mean anything anymore. But Trumpkin fried blondet.

Trump can... Trump can... Trump can fried blonde day. It's not bad. We'll put it to a boat. We'll put it to a boat. It's not terrible. I've heard worse.

It's not great either. It's not mango Mussolini. No. But that's another thing we should. Okay, all right. The names for Trump. Okay, I'll go. I'll give them this.

The lives kind of cooked with mango musily. You've come around on it. I'm giving them that one. That was pretty good. What was some other ones? The Bourne-Hettler just doesn't have the same. Bill Vita, Baltimore. I got to tell you.

They weren't cooking with that one. You don't like Velveeta Voldemort? I can meet you on Mango Mussolini. I hate alliterate of humor, only because it signals to me everything I hate about Southern comedy. People love alliteration in this country, though. Like, you remember when Southern comics just used to say stuff, like, I'm hornier than a three peckered possum and a pumpkin patch? And just everybody would be clapping like seals at places. I love that show.

I always hated that. I got something for you. Allow me to reintroduce myself. I'm the House Democratic leader. Our caucus is 200 and whoops, sorry. 17 members strong. We serve in a separate and co-equal branch of government.

We don't work for you. We work for the American people. we are fighting to lower the high cost of living and to protect the health care of everyday Americans pause that for you to say that's going to point out something dude here's like about hakeem okay well there's a lot of things about heem but he is the obviously terrified of public speaking yeah yeah he's not like

Like, he's a little nervous. He's like a little, like, he's not putting us. He's wooden. He's not charismatic. He's not putting, he's not saying it with his whole chest or putting his foot in it. He has no sauce. Yeah. Dude, well, the thing is, going back to what we were saying a second ago, like, guys like that are, the manifestation of, I guess you could say what is undeniably liberalism's hypocrisy in the sense that they don't have.

Like, did you watch? the Tanahasi Coats thing with Ezra Klein? Just the clips that were going on. I mean, same. I didn't have the stomach to watch the entire thing. But it is interesting to see that like I mean, I guess I do still consider

Taunahisi Coates to be a liberal. He's never said anything that he's like a... He's a principal liberal. Yeah, he's never said that he's a socialist or anything to the left of that. So I just take him out his word. But it is interesting to see the two strains of what I would consider liberal liberalism on full display

because I do think there are a ton of liberals who are like Tana hasi Coates I put them in the same camp those are the people who came up with mango moussel in there they were cooking liberals who So you think there's lives that are cooking and libs that are selling? Yeah there are

libs that cook and libs that don't okay and the Coates cooks Coates cooks Klein doesn't Klein does not cook and the funny thing is is, you know, there's the Klein,

there's the Hakeem Jeffries thing, but like Nancy Pelosi's comments during that streaming marathon or whatever were really goddamn funny. She said, the antidote to all elements is to win elections. Mm.

Not cooking. Not cooking. I mean, like, here's the, here's, there's just one glaring hole in that line of thinking. Nancy. We probably

ain't going to have elections no more. No. The, um, the, you know, I don't know how to like,

I guess you could say that there are currently kind of two to three factions in the Democratic Party. There's the declined abundance um, Alyssa Slotkin, amoral, you know,

hollowed eyes. Probably had a People assassinated in South American countries. Right. And then there's the, there is the constituency, which is farther to the left, which I don't know if they would all identify socialists or not. It's hard for me to tell. But then there is the like Zara and Mamdani, AOC Bernie Sanders block. And then so it's like, you know, and I don't, I have a hard time like really gauging.

how much support there is for all that. I'd have no idea. Here's the thing that bugs me about that block. Presumably the block closest to us is if it's this easy for, like, Stephen Miller to render these people this ineffectual, why is it so goddamn hard for y'all to take over the party? You just signals that you're just wed to decorum and stuff. You mean, with the burning people? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Or why not just start your own or something? Just start your own. Like this party's cooked. It might not even be worth taking over because here's the day. Listen, you could start something shiny and new built from the ground up. Or you could try to renovate Akeem Jeffries, allow me to reintroduce myself house. 58, 58 viewers. I think that, like, historians will see the appearance of, you know,

people figure it's like Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer as the essentially the manifestation of what I was saying a second ago like liberals inability to actually stand for anything as best manifested through like Palestine it's like you know not no coincidence that Hakeem Jeffries rises to power just this there's no universe where that gash it arose to power no circumstances he is very much like J.D. Vance in the sense that both of them are completely talentless they have no Riz they just kind of stumbled into their positions just because there is no actual because the piss is gone essentially you know what I'm saying like they they don't have more serious times these people wouldn't have got a whiff at their position

no no they would be working like the fact JD is a heart a very fragile heart being away from presidency and Al Qim Jeffries is the leader of the opposition just speaks to how bad the times are. Deracinated, hollow, febrile, completely just, yeah, thinned, thinned out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's really bad.

Yeah, yeah. And the fact that it's hard for actual leadership or vision to take root is very, also very strange. And I think that you only see that really in like a dying order. Yeah, yeah. But like, I mean, the libs are correct in pointing out that like these norms and institutions have been sort of eroded down. But I was thinking about this like...

You're giving them points on that? I'm giving them points on that. Institutions have been eroded. Yeah, I mean, Josh Olson posted this clip from Matt Christman, and I forgot about this. He said this after Charlottesville, but like, fascism arises when liberal institutions lose their legitimacy. And I think that that's where the liberals are correct in seeing that their institutions are losing legitimacy, but like they're not doing anything to really stop it.

yeah um and so i guess i'll give them that one too yeah yeah i don't know yeah so yeah exactly and therein lies therein lies the difference between left and liberally you've probably been asked this by people that are just like well i'm as left as you you can be like explain to me what makes you all and it's like brother i here's the differences i think liberals can rightly identify the problems but they don't have any fight or even want to really correct them yeah they're politics aren't confrontational. Exactly. Whereas the left's politics has a vision.

And the question for us that we have is like, how can we, you know, make that palable to a broad cross-section of people, I guess. But something that really concerns me, though, when we talk about, I will say this.

Did you see that Zaraan von Daunin clip on the view? Mm-hmm. The, um, this host was trying to press him on him, him classifying Israel's actions as a genocide and he was like

yeah like it's I mean of course he condemned Hamas but then he was like but Israelis committing genocide and the fucking crowd went wild yeah yeah like I mean that's a pretty that's a pretty crazy that's a pretty significant thing the fucking view yeah the audience

of the view like Israel's lost that like that's so I mean the constituency is there the Politico has this article today that was like, or this op-ed that was like, Zoran Mamdani may win the election, probably will win the election, and he's obviously far ahead of Cuomo, but he doesn't have a mandate because he's less than 50% popular, his popularity approval rating or whatever in New York is currently at like 47%, which is not good.

But with Jewish voters, he's pretty high, which is interesting. Yeah, I have no idea. Yeah, I've seen that where it's like, I think it's the opposite. I think it's not, I don't. I think the majority of Jewish voters in New York don't. Maybe it's like Jewish voters under a certain age. Yeah, probably under a certain age and within the Democratic Party.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, there may be some qualifiers on that, but yeah. But I think, though, I think you can't read too much into that approval rating because I just think that generally politicians across the board are just unpopular. Unpopular. People just don't. No. We're in a strange time because, like, if there were more,

um energy there'd be great revolutionary potential but everybody's in the malaise yeah it's malaise people defeat and disillusionment like institutions have never been like weaker and more for the taking really

yeah you know what I mean right right but everybody's just kind of tired yeah well back to truth and reconciliation truth and reconciliation what else have we missed is that that's about everything really

Hold on. No, there's got to be some stuff. I will say this. Well, we've not brought it into the modern time. I will say this. I was on a plane. I was on a flight right before the election last year. And this guy next to me, we got to talk in, and he was like, you got to vote for Kamala. He was like, if Trump wins, he was like, there'll never be elections again.

And I remember even saying it on the podcast. I was like, that's ridiculous. They really think there will never be elections again. a fucking course they were right about that I'll give lives that one they were right about that one too there's not because there's not going to be elections but now now even you're hearing like Gavin Newsom pay lip service to that as like

if we even have elections yeah so I was wrong about that that's a guy that's not good I was wrong about a lot of stuff in 2024 yeah Project 2025 I thought there'd be no fucking way anyone would try to do that because it's also contradictory and aggressive I thought that it would be impossible to actually do, but they held up the sublime

sitting and said all that stuff is all that he talks about that in there. They were right about that. They were categorically wrong about Palestine and about like...

If I give them negative, if I give them negative. Yeah, because in the sense that like they just still to this day refused to acknowledge the centrality that of that issue to the election.

Yeah, yeah. As evidenced by the chorus of cheers when Mom Donny just said, yeah, they're doing as a jettison. Yeah. So, yeah, wrong on that one. But, like, them saying, and I'll also give them this, like, them saying that, like, Kamala

wouldn't be doing, I mean, there are things that she wouldn't be doing. Like, I don't think that they would be, um, like, obviously Obama was the deporter in chief, and I don't see any world in which Kamala would have tried to abolish ICE to the Department of Homeland Security. central problem with the libs and this is like this is the a number one problem this is where they get zero percent again is those people Obama Harris Biden all those people that you all uphold as like great defenders of democracy or at least the adults in the room or whatever their unwillingness to do things about allowing Israel to have that stronghold of palace and all those kinds of stuff is

what creates these conditions that's what they can't accurately diagnose yeah you know what I mean Like when you let little things like that, those kind of foxes in, you know, it's the, it's the little foxes that spoil the vine, you know? Well, and a big reason why they do all that is because I'm sure they sit down with the generals and the general say, you know, national security is paramount. Nothing can, absolutely nothing can threaten national security. And at this late point of the empire, someone pointed this out, you sent it to me, it was a tweet from somebody. It was like the fact that they're going to give the Pentagon, like, over $2 trillion next year or whatever. It's like it just shows you that they're not interested in trying to actually address the fiscal paradigm at this point. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like, they're just going to continue rating the coffers as much as possible and then just throwing all that money into the sort of dying military. It's not dying, though. I mean, obviously not. That's why I don't like, that's why I don't really think. that the generals care that they get fucking invited into a room and insult it. Like, they don't fucking get that shit. So do you don't expect a coup?

No, absolutely. Would you rather live under a coup than that? Yeah. It'd be a lot less stupid. It probably would be a lot less stupid, but in some ways it'd be worse. Yeah, we'd probably have checkpoints. You'd probably have to show somebody

to not to get out of the street. But we're about to get that anyways. That's true. So. the only way out of this is corraling our numbers and using it for something that's the only thing we have is our sheer numbers but how to you know coalesce that into a united vision well you have to have some sort of like political intervention and honestly like uh there is maybe some opportunity in kentucky i've been thinking about this because kentucky still operates off the 1891 constitution

which is an insanely outdated document. And in fact, it's so outdated that every time the General Assembly meets, it's technically unconstitutional. So they've just been flouting convention. But we'll be because... For over a hundred years. The Constitution has stuff in it that's like you have to have two doormen outside the doors every time they meet.

And like that was relevant for the old courthouse that they used to meet in. But since they moved it to this new building, it's like there's different doors and stuff you know what I'm saying it's just like you know I got a nuanced opinion on something like you know let the gun thing for example okay but it is hilarious that like we

we just sort of like agree the principle that like yeah some of this shit's just for yesterday not for today but when it comes to the constitution all these people act like you gotta follow it by the letter or whatever when it like affects their bottom line yeah but I mean

like there could be an opportunity that you have to have some way for us to channel our outrage against the national security paradigm into a meaningful change. And just elections every two to four years isn't going to change that because they're, the imperative that they operate on is continuing the national security regime, continuing that system. Well, if you think about it, like what made Obama's up, people forget this. But made Obama so popular in 2008 is he ran on kind of undoing a lot of those Bush era sort of in, you know, infringing on our, like, privacy and all those kinds of things, you know, or even like stuff like getting rid of Guantanamo Bay.

And, of course, he didn't connect on hardly any of that. Well, you can, yeah, go ahead. Sorry, I don't mean to interrupt you. Which brings me to it, and a brief aside, Obama 2028. How many, already given them on that. I mean, if Trump runs Look I mean, whatever, I don't care

If Trump runs for a third term The Democrats would be out of their fucking minds Just not to run Obama Let fucking Jimmy Carter's corpse runs right, who cares? I mean, again, I don't fucking care I've completely detached from all of it at this point But Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Just call the fucking, but that, they wouldn't do that. Obama wouldn't run against Trump. I genuinely don't think you would. I don't think he has the balls. why would you i'm calling on baroque hussein obama to step up and run against this guy and run the 2008 campaign where you're gonna yeah there's no i don't think there's any way for you to affect any kind of actual change against the things that he was running on unless you have a constitutional convention basically that's what i'm saying you're gonna have to like have

some sort of like in 1789 or whatever calling of the Estates General or whatever you're going to have to have some process where the changes reach much deeper. Dog it's so wild to me I was thinking about this the other day

the Constitution is such a malleable document that we fucking banned alcohol and put it in the Constitution. Isn't that weird? And then unband it and put that in the Constitution. You can just do whatever you like to. It's like to. It's like to As long as you got the support.

Yeah. Yeah. It's like that's why the whole originalism thing is a blueprint for fascism, obviously. It's like that no one ever intended it intended for it to be this like rigid document that couldn't be changed as exemplified by the fucking prohibition amendments. Here's the thing about this. To get out of this, this is why Nancy Pelosi, along with Gavin Newsom and Chuck Schumer and the rest of them need to be put up in stocks in the town square and have tomatoes thrown at their. person is you can't vote your way out of this. This is going to, this, to get out of this situation where it is going to take a radical

upheaval and overhaul of the whole fucking thing. In which way, which way is that going to look? It doesn't look like the left's going to have any influence it. I'm kind of, yeah, I'm kind of confused, I don't know, maybe I'm being naive, but I'm kind of at a loss as to like why these justice Democrats or even Mom Donnie and these other guys, Like, they don't run on a platform of, like, you know, constitutional convention, 2028. You know what I mean?

There are some things that, and this is another thing, again, another thing I give Libbs credit on, like something about the guy wearing that Guam hat on your flight you're talking about. Uh-huh. His number one issue was war, anti-war. Yeah. Like, some things like that that seem like, you know, in our little leftist high-mindedness, we've just said, oh, well, yeah, of course, we're anti-war, but, like, that's not like

an issue, you know what I mean, or whatever. whatever but that kind of stuff like that kind of is like that ended up i mean something like that even ended up being figuring largely into this now where you see what we're trying to do antagonizing venezuela and all this other stuff like it looks like by the end of the trump term we could be in a couple of forever wars or something uh or even at home as trump has said he might be bringing the war home uh but there are things like yeah like you got to be running on like just systemic change from the bottom, I think, could have some

resonance. And I know what that sounds like when I'm saying, I'm like, well, duh, of course, you know, but like my next-door neighbors probably agree with that, but like, they don't know that, you know what I mean? Well, dude, I'm real, to make it even more simplified, I'm so confounded as to what, like,

you've got the Trump administration every other day violating the Constitution. So why not run on a platform of redo the Constitution? Yeah, yeah. If it doesn't matter to the right, then make then just say like let's change it like they're fucking violating it and so it obviously isn't worth the fucking paper it's printed on at this point yeah like let's just reform the

constitution i'm i'm so confused as to why they don't address that all they talk about if you're not going to abide by it of what uses of what uses it right and i think that americans see that every day like americans probably want the trump administration to adhere to the constitution but the fact of the matter is is that they're not going to And so that means you're going to need some mechanism in the Constitution to make sure that they, that it is abided by, which means you're going to have to fucking, that's what reconstruction was. What was the, what is the penalty? Like, for example, I saw somebody tweet this and they were, like, showing, like, screen grabs of the different federal agencies with, like, the crazy, this is the radical left doing kind of. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And they had, you know, quote for it with, like, pick your own violation of the hatch. The Hatch Act, yeah. You know what I mean? Like, like, what is the use of having that shit on the books if there's not, like, a swift and, like, like, and I hate to be draconian about it, but it's like the penalty should be like, if you do this, you get beheaded or something. I mean, yeah. There should be stiff, like, very enforceable penalties. Yeah, that's the point I'm trying to make, exactly. It's that, like, you can put that on the books.

Yeah, yeah. That's not outside the range of unordinary. political behavior. You got, yeah, you step outside the bounds of a small thing and you got to give the state of the union with your cock at. Like in golf, if you don't hit it past the kitty teas on the tees on the teal.

It's like, we start there. Look, if they're going to be whimsical and do all this goofy shit with all these official Twitter accounts and stuff, then we can do that. Yeah, you have to give the state of the union wearing a dunce cap, a propeller cap, and you have a massive lollipop.

yeah and everything you say you have to punctuate with I'm a big smart boy but I still wet my pants you know uh huh but yeah there's just gotta be like some sort of enforceable like there can be you can put enforcement mechanisms to again this is what the reconstruction amendments were basically another thing

you would have to like I guess if like let's say for example you could convince Democrats to like fuck all the things things you're trying to run in 2026 and 2028. Fuck the goddamn income child income tax credits. Fuck the, like the...

Everybody cares boring. The zoning stuff for your housing, whatever. All of that is just window dressing. Get to the root of the cause, which is that... And we know you're not going to do any of that shit anyway. We know you're not going to fucking do any of it anyways. The root of the cause here is that the

fucking, or the root of the issue here is that the Trump administration, and again, I think this was, this would probably be pretty resident with a lot of people is like they openly fly out the Constitution every day which a lot of people probably like a lot of people don't fucking care anymore a lot of the constitutionalists

now that fascism is here just like I think a lot of people this should be a living document I think a lot of people would be excited by the prospect of being like oh wait we get to alter this thing now I think a lot of people would be I think a lot of people you're talking about this feeling of exhaustion

among people and just disillusionment I think a lot of people would probably get a little excited and be like oh wait so like obviously no one cares about this document anymore not to the extent we used to but we get to change it we get to make changes to it and we all get to kind of like have a say i think a lot of people would be really into that like not i don't know if like the entire population is like a bunch of nerds who like like that stuff but like i think that they would like the they would perhaps get excited for the possibility or opportunity to have a say in that yeah and

that gives you a mechanism of essentially what you're describing to me Terrances what was that thing we always used to harp about an LGP Participatory budgeting Constitution Edition Yeah Constitution edition Another

The lives we're cooking with that one maybe If we shoot high enough That's true Yeah So you know what is You know I'd tell you a message That would be resonant that I would step out there and sign.

What? Because everybody hates paying taxes, you know? I'd be like, look, if these rules are on the books, like if he's just violating the Hatch Act, and we all know the Hatch Act, you know, and he's just flouting the Constitution, why do you have to pay taxes? Like, can you not see that there is, like,

there's them, and then there's us, and there's two sets of rules, and, blah, blah, you know, beat those points on. Yeah, it's their, the goofiness of their messaging. Like, if they're, like, if they're, There's teeth that can enforce throwing you in jail if you do tax evasion. But, like, if they do it, it's just like, well, we can't hold a president accountable. You see the limits of their imagination that basically, I think what's going to wind up happening in 20208 is they're going to run someone like Bashir as a kind of restorationist, like, centrism.

You know what I'm saying? How do you think that experimental pan out? It might work. Yeah. Because this is so bad. So uniquely. But it's going to kick. That's assuming there is.

an election. Well, yeah. And it's done above board. Because it's going to kick, because you're seeing now how the Trump people just, yes, they did, they are doing unconstitutional, terrible things, but they're only building on the precedent of George Bush, Reagan, you know what I mean? Like, this was all kind of already started to, you know, the, the process itself was started really, I guess you could say during Nixon, but I think the American public was a little

freaked out about Nixon but by the time you get to Reagan I think that people are kind of starting to be like okay all right yeah okay all right oh man what a sorry state of affairs huh I guess my point is is that if you run on that kind of like restoration as centrism like you're just going to have the same problem crop up in eight years four to eight years uh um and this time it'll be somebody like I don't know. Maybe it will be, to give maybe live some credence,

maybe it will be longer than that because people will still have visceral imagination of the Trump era and how crazy and disorienting

that was and they'll be like somebody like Tom Cotton pops up that doesn't have an ounce of Trump's charisma and he just can't

pull that messaging off. You know what I mean? Well, but you see though the extent to which they're so afraid to even do what needs to be done

it's like they can't even understand if you were looking at this just on the face of it like surely the Trump people don't plan on having elections in 2020 because why would you do any of this? They fuck themselves with like the farmers

the tariffs are unpopular I mean those are just like the fucking service level of two things is happening. No one has a job either they're gearing up for a thousand year rain and think they can pull it off somehow or they're just raiding the coffers before it all goes to pot which I think is more the case. Personally

enriching themselves and then they will step down in 2028 just because they got richer they're fine now now it's like now we've got basically the Soviet Union to collapse we'll hand it off to they are essentially like all the petro billionaires that came out of the collapse Soviet Union and they'll go on to be on late night TV and on sports teams and stuff and you're probably right you're probably right you probably aren't trying to do a thousand year right like yeah they're just using the mechanisms of government to basically create a situation that's so unstable that they kind of just raid And then we end up with our own Vladimir Putin. Yeah, that's true.

Which would probably be like J.D. Vans. He would be a good Canada for the American Putin. Who would be a good American Putin? He would probably come from the South. I'm just kidding. I don't know. Well, if he's KGB, that Putin was KGB, he'd probably have to have... He'd be Mormon? CIA ties.

Yeah. KGB. What do you mean, you'd be Mormon? Well, I mean, if he's CIA. He's Putin Mormon. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. There are a lot of Mormons in the CIA, I guess. That's what they say.

Interesting. I don't know how you actually. It's just a rumor, though. Yeah. You can't actually prove that. You probably could prove it. It's a little survey. Here's a Mormon that works in the agency.

But, yeah. The point is, is they don't see that, like, you're probably right. They probably will have elections. in 2028. I think it'll be, it'll just be so hollowed out. And yeah,

something like Bashir might could win. But him and Booker will probably win. And we will have learned nothing. Or it might be Gavin Newsome. And dude, it's going to be a dream mandate

for who whatever Democrat wins. It's going to be Newsom, Bashir. Because there will be zero expectations. Kentucky, how many vice presidents is Kentucky in? Albin Berkeley. I'm from Barclay. We've had a couple of presidents.

Count A. Blinken and Zachary Taylor. But yeah, that's it, though, right? I think that's it. And I won't know if I would count eight Lincoln. Really? Damn, I mean, he was born here. I was born in Texas. Does that make me a Texan?

I mean, it doesn't not make you a Texan. That is true. I guess it's not where you're from. It's where you're at. So maybe, maybe. Maybe we need to end this charade and acknowledge that Lincoln wasn't Illinois. Well, yeah, I mean, it is interesting that both Abe Lincoln and Jefferson Davis were born in Kentucky. So we are a land of contrast.

That is true. Another weird contrast is how most of the states from the Louisiana purchase are just French pronunciations of Native American words. Illinois, Arkansas. Isn't that strange? Yeah. Consau? Trumpkin fried Blonde

Blonde Blonde Our Pumpkin spice flat white Flat white would be a good name for it Flat white Yeah I've never heard that before

Yeah like a flat white Is it a drink? You can get your coffee done flat wine I've heard that before I've never done it before These are flat whites These are flat whites You know when you get a team of like good white

boys and they do that meme it's like exciting whites and whina yeah Trump's people are flat lines so that's a good live joke that is a good joke so speaking yeah are we done with truth and reconciliation with the live

we already did Obama 28 uh yeah I think that's I think we've covered a lot of ground I mean there's a bunch of things Trump is doing I don't think Kamala would have done but that's kind of the point yeah I'll admit that

I think the problem that's kind of the problem yeah it's like I don't know it's well-trodden territory you'll never convince a lib you'll never convince a lib that like because I don't think both parties

are the same yeah I think that they just you know they have the same masters they're the same masters man that's true the Turks

the Ottomans the once proud Ottoman Empire all right we're over our That's good. I think we covered a lot of ground today. A hour and a half. I think it's well,

I think it's ground. We've covered many, many, many times. To have to condense it, put it in one hour long episode for you right here. You know? I wanted to put forward a positive program of righteous gangstersmo. Yeah, we just jumped right over that. With insane characteristics. Yeah.

We'll have to bring it up next time. Uh-huh. But to find out, you'll have to pay $5 a month because it's going to be behind that motherfuckum paywall. That's true. Where you can also find other content for the low, low price again, of $5 a month and folks. I wanted to joke and laugh today, but we got serious.

What happened? I wanted to riff, but then we wound up talking like we're smart people or something. We got a couple yucks in there early on. I got to stop talking like I'm smart. I went to AA last night, and I came face-to-face with my intellectual. sexual pride and realize I'm not as smart as I think I am. And I need to stop talking on this program. I don't think you're as dumb as you pretend you are either.

So there's that. So how do you thread that needle then? Now, that's your journey to take. How do you decide, like, how smart and how dumb you are? Because I've been trying to write this book, and obviously I'm getting no takers for it. But the more I'm, like, in this stage where I'm doing all this research for it and not getting any takers, I'm like, what am I doing? This is pointless.

There's no need to write this. This has already been either written, but also part of my whole thing was just a rebuttal against, like, libs, which is not a good way to write something. Like, the flaw of the thing I wrote for the baffler about the war on opioids is that, like... You took the lives to task.

Yeah, and I didn't need to. Well, this is what today's episode was for. To write that wrong. And it needed to be righted, frankly, because they've been right about some things. Well, this is the problem with being a pseudo-intellectual is that what you wind up doing is you wind up basically being a contrarian or disagreeing with people on completely baseless, on a completely baseless platform or stance, because that's the only way you get noticed, essentially, is by... Well, it's because you live in America. Now. And America has to have, like, some pageantry and showmanship.

And the way you gin that up in America is doing exactly what you say. Beaves, rat beaps. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which gives, takes us back to Hakeem Jeffrey. I'm from Brooklyn. Okay, so is Bernie Sanders. My point is, I think I'm going to give up. I think I'm going to.

Where you may and give up? I think this is the episode where I'm going to. I'm going to... You're going to stop writing. I'm going to stop writing and... Or do you talk about it in general you're going to give up. Oh, I'm going to... You can't do that.

I think I'm going to stop writing and I think I'm going to stop doing this podcast, at least from an intellectual stance, and just go be a librarian. I think I'm going to go back to school and get a straight job. Okay, I got to tell you this. I'm getting a straight job. Well, one, there are none unless you want to be a racist thing. But I have a kid coming. I can't keep doing it. doing this i have to go get a straight job what i'm telling you is there are no straight

there are no jobs straight or otherwise i don't know if you've seen the jobs report no there are there are there there okay now let me here's how me tell you how this plays i want to become i'll be a nurse i can they always need nurses why you want to open mouth kiss pit bulls and like make tic talks about patients that you lost i can stick people with needles i can do that i mean nurse is an important job i just mean there are i don't have the person pageantry there i don't have the personality of a tic-tok nurse i'm not going to like violate the hatch act i'm not crazy someone who thinks that hippa that the hat the hatch act or someone who thinks that the hatch act is what backs up hippa oh dude that that would be hilarious if like trump you log on there and trump's just

tweaked out personal medical details about his opposition yeah and people are like choose your own Hatch Act. Terrence has bad ass polyps. Well, Trump. I really don't have ass polyps,

but I'm sure I will one day. Let's hope not. Which brings me to another point. Get checked. You can die from that type O negative guy. The type O negative guy

died from diverticulitis. Oh, that is right. The big dude. Yeah. Yeah. I can't remember his name now. Steming Steele. Peter Steele, maybe?

Peter Steele. He had like a porn star name. He did. um in any case what porn star name violator of the handshake yeah well in any case

in any case um no i'm i'm giving up i'm not gonna be an intellectual here's what you don't want to do okay you don't want to say hey i want to go get some honest work and then you end up just being taking a failed stand-up comedian's approach to your day job you know what I mean

like you go work at the library and then any kid that goes in there you try to regale them with your humorous anecdotes or worse jokes that's true yeah how many flights have you gotten on

and you realize this pilot doesn't want to be a pilot he wants to be a stand-up comedian so you're saying get in your lane but stay in it well here's the thing is what I'm saying it's easy to self-loat

but this is what we are podcasters We're podgast. I don't know. Here's the thing, man. I feel like I came this close to relapsing recently, okay, after I had surgery, all right? And I was like, and I think that a big part of it, and this comes out in the Patreon episode from Monday, is that I am so hopeless about the state of the world.

I say what you're saying. And part of it is because I'm so dialed into it. I pay attention to every single thing and people are like log off Twitter that's not going to change it I still open the New York Times I don't even read I'm not even on Twitter that much mostly I read the fucking New York Times

Politico the Financial Times Washington Post and that's where my fucking doomerism comes from so like what's the solution here I go to AA and they're like you got to surrender completely get over your intellectual pride submit to the program and then I read the blue book and it's dumb shit that they're like

the ancient society is only the way it is because we're smart now and it's just like wow this is the most it's hilarious it's a hilarious notion is is dumb guys who think that there is

some nobility in like either keeping your head in the sand or like doing the both sides thing you know what I mean like both sides have their you know whatever like so in my humble opinion

give me the time second and Budweiser cold hard facts. Here's the cold hard facts is I think A.A. works for a lot of people. I would never disparage A.A. or anything like that. There is a certain religiosity to it that I think you can kind of discard. I think a healthy stance with the world. It's the same way I approach something like Transcendental Meditation. I like it.

I get something out of it. Yeah. But like the trappings of it and the sort of like quasi-cult-like stuff, I'm not attracted to that. So why can't I just do the thing that I get something out of? Can I discard the rest of it? No, I do that. A living document. I do that.

Yeah, exactly. I do that with AA. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I think, though, what I'm saying is that for me to be happy. I just said, I said that in response to your, to their suggestion that you submit to the program. I have mostly, but there are still things I hold out on. Read chapter five, we agnostics. That's the one that's like really.

Weed agnostics or we? Wee agnostics, okay. There's stuff about it that like intellectually I can't get past But then they say you need to fucking surrender entirely You need to get the And I could be happier if I would If I just surrendered entirely You could be but I want to tell you something

I've known you over a decade now You have too much of a contrary streak To submit to anything entirely It's true man But maybe that's where my unhappiness comes from Nope no it's not Where does it come from? It doesn't come from there.

It comes from acknowledging that about yourself and quit and quit swinging the other side. Acknowledge your contrarian and live there. Hello? Wow. Whoa. That was a sign from God. Hello?

Hello? Hi. Hey. Can I help you? Oh, no, thank you. It's the kind of a pretty high so I'm going to come on here.

I think which won't qualify for a full program. Oh, no thank you. All right. Thank you. Yeah, you too. That's the kind of organic slice of life.

You can't be, folks, you can't pay for that. Well, you can. It's $5 a month. But. Oh, wait. So you were saying the meaning of

life you are who you are in this world you know here's what here's here's the thing is i learned about myself there's certain things about myself that i could improve on everybody can improve on right but there's certain uh unalienable unassailable things about yourself that you're going to have to figure out how to live in the margin like live in that space on you're an intellectual you're not a suitor you say you say i'm a suit i'm this i'm that and but here's where i interject and say Maybe that is an area where, you know, just because somebody has a good idea that you didn't think of does not render you a fucking idiot. It just means that like, oh, yeah, that's a good point. Like, in fact, well, what, for example, I don't have an example.

When did I say that? No, no, no, no, no. What do you mean? That's not what makes me ensued that somebody had a better idea. Well, I don't say a better idea. What makes me assumed is that I. tend to do this thing and I do it way less now

I did it way more when I was in an active addiction but I tend to do this thing where I develop an idea based off of a triangulation of whether libs believe it or not yeah you're creating a straw man of a kind

to pit your ideas against and you push off way too hard against what you think they think and you wind up in this sort of weird no man's land where like nobody actually thinks what you're saying but you've created, yeah, you kind of created a straw man to get mad at.

Yeah, yeah, to pit your argument against this person doesn't really exist. It's a polemical maneuver that like weak-minded people do. I acknowledge it, I'm changing that now. Yeah, and as a result, it's resulted in some bad writing on my part, and some bad theorization, I guess. Um, I think you've been a little hard on yourself in that assessment. No, I'm not, I know the phenomenon you speak about.

I'm not trying to be hard on myself. I'm trying to, like, get at the root of like, is this working? Does it mean anything? Right. Because, like, if you look at the totality of everything that's happening, like, I know we've joked before about, like, when is the right time to get out of this fucking shithole? But, like, I'm not going anywhere, right? I'm not actually going to move my family anywhere because at this point, I'm pot committed to this motherfucker

However, this place is becoming I mean... Let's just set aside the fact that the government is like hunting people for sport. They've basically created a societal atmosphere, a kind of general situation where you can just get shot or kidnapped or something just because, you know, I don't know, just because you... Just grease bullshit.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess that's the thing. Like, it's just, it's just dangerous to be an American, I guess, and it's becoming more so every day. And not only that... The dangerous part about it is we are, like, have you noticed how, like, if you talk to friends that live in other countries or from other countries, how, like, they're genuinely just worried about you right now. Yeah, yeah.

And it's just because we've become so desensitized to the ambient violence around us. Yeah. Because it's not visited our doorstep yet. Yeah. what I mean, but people getting beat down in Home Depot parking lots, but they're ice patrolling the streets of Chicago, you know, one of the biggest Mexican population. Not only ice, but the literal army. The literal army, yeah, yeah.

Which, honestly, I got to say Trump was cooking with the picking up the trash. What did he say? That is a good use. Oh, like the army should be picking up the trash? Oh, no, when they're out there, like, changing the trash and cleaning up, like literally cleaning up the streets, not like stopping crime, like extra. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They should do that, sure.

Yeah. I mean, it would be cool to get a job doing that. It would be better if we had a jobs program, yeah, not have to send in the National Guard to do that. I agree. But in any case, yeah, I agree with you. It is, it is, but it produces the stasis where it's like, well, you know, do I just stay here because I bought this is what I've known? You know, that's not the story of human history. I'm going to stay here because this is what I know

I'm not going anywhere but basically the point I'm making though is that like I can choose how I choose to engage with it and sometimes it would be nice to just not read the news anymore put my head down and go to my fucking 9 to 5 at the library

Yeah but I'm going to say something that contrarian streak would pop up in you And you'd be like One more job One more job And then you would turn that that into another job and another job

and before you know it you got two jobs which you could do you could do I thought about it in fact I'm feeling the pinch because I lost you know

anyway because you scratch that out I don't want to talk about your you don't want to talk about your your lost job no

we can get you a job dude dude you can get a job you can get a job at this point at this age you fucking I think they'll hire you to spray paint

to cover over graffiti in Woodland Park. I don't know how to tell you this, turns. I don't know. Did you miss the part where I said, have you read the sobering jobs before? There are no jobs. There's no covered graffiti jobs program. It's pretty bad out there, yeah.

Which is part of my point. Well, anyway. Well, sobering stuff. We've got to go, though, because we have stuff we've got to do today. We got the first Thursday wedding I've ever been. to go on to Thursday way. Same.

But it makes sense. It works for me. Yeah. I've got family coming in this weekend, so I got to. Well, every day's Thursday if you're a podcaster or a rock and roll artist. That's true. Yeah, Steve Slackowski told me that. And I was like, you know what, Steve, it is true.

Every day is Thursday in our line away. That is true. You know, I've been listening to a lot of Oasis lately. Was Oasis the last band to unapologetically rock? I think they may have been the last band to unapologetically rock. like all rock now is just a little bit they're making apologies for rock they're making apologies for rocking

yeah that is true yeah that is true I mean it's even into their like sort of post which they're again another resurgence obviously with the big tour and everything but like

that video going around of like this is why you don't have any rock and roll stars anymore is like back in my day we'd have three geysers making the coffee and doing this and now look at me making my own coffee so this is why you don't have have any real rock and roll stars.

Everybody rocks apologetically now. Maybe not 100% apologetically, but even like a little 5%. Give me an exam some at rocks a little apologetically. Hmm. Dog, I don't know if I have the juice to be that contrarian today. Let's stop it right there and then. You'll have to guess what Band Dan's is thinking of in his head. I'm giving the Gen Z a little taste of their own medicine. Yeah, their whole bullshit about deer hunter is.

I mean, I listen to that new geese album. It's not bad. Yeah. By any means. Yeah. It's actually quite good. Yeah. You like geese.

I don't even know who they are. Who's the guy, the Cameron Winner? That's Cameron Winner. I don't know. But I'm just saying, if you think deer hunter is bad, but you think that's good, I have to question sometimes. I hate to break us to you, but geese is the deer hunter. hunter of your day.

Yeah. You know what I mean? Right. Maybe Deer Hunter did rock a little bit apologetically. Because I think so. Well, part of my thesis is no one is rocked as unapologetically as Oasis. I was thinking about that the other day. I was like, what is it about Oasis that people love so much?

I mean, I love Oasis. Why? And I was like, oh, it's because they rock unapologetically. I'll tell you. You may tell you for me who's, I'm going to tell you, listen, here's what rock and roll is missing. and it might speak to what you're talking about about maybe pivoting away from the intellectualism

and leaning into the comedy okay take a band like ZZ Top yeah take a band like ACDC that's unapologetic rock yeah for those about to rock about to rock

yeah it's a long way to the top you want to rock and rock right we don't have any bands speaking to the act of rocking who are unafraid to rock who also have the fact of rocked Fattest riffs. Now, go point me out of three pieces.

It sounds fatter than z-Z-top. You won't find it. No, you can find these five pieces. They're in fashion right now. They're not rocking that aren't. Yeah, these five, four or five pieces, they're not rocking, no. For those without a cock, we salute you. Now, now it's for those afraid to rock.

Afraid to rock. We salute you. That's how society. That's what society is right now. Society is, for those afraid to rock, we salute you. That's where, I don't want to taste. That's where you're going to start activating the sleeper cells when we realized that Donald Trump's killed rock and rock. He's killed rock and rock and rock.

Society used to be for those about to rock, we salute you. Now it's for those afraid to rock. All the rock guys that went Trump, you don't know this. You sold rock down the river. You sold rock and roll down the river. So if you live with that. Fucking turncoats. You can live with that.

You need to live with it. but we need we need some people who are unafraid to rock I would love to have a band come out that is just rocks and just make songs about like

not even like like when's the last time a band had a lyric like no stop signs or speed limits basically talking about like let's take the training wheels off society that's right and let's get right to the heart of the matter

this is an aesthetic pursuit you know what I mean this is not we're not sitting here I don't want to hear songs about fucking the moon and heaven being not quite close enough for you I want to hear about when you're down in La Conia

you don't know what to do there's no songs about going places anymore towns low die uh huh that's true I will say Williamson say he said movie stopped being good when earnest quit going places that is true

run through the jungle that's dude listen to fucking credence run through the jungle yeah they them white boys were cooking with that shit that's rock yeah yeah they were cooking so hard they fucking their cover of heard it through the grapevine yeah that's rock and roll man ramble tammle rock and roll baby yeah i'm gonna give these geese kids a fair shake I'm gonna have to make my own opinion

but fine whatever it kind of sound like radio head with horns and fucking syncopated fucking

whatever they call that shit uh dissonant sounds and stuff like what's whatever freaky deaky yeah I'm just

like you guys aren't reinventing the will by any means it's fine it's good yeah but it's not unapologetic rock

I did like the singer from that band. I think his name's Cameron Winter. I did like his solo record he put out last year. But I'll say this. I'll say this. Was it a little bit afraid to rock? It was a slightly apologetic. It's slightly apologetic?

You can't even be 5% apologetic. That's what's so great about Oasis. They were 0% apologetic. They were completely 100% unapologetic. And we need that element. Mm-hmm. You know? Yep.

yeah you're right for those this episode i want you to call this episode for those afraid to rock yeah dude like i like blur but they're they can be a little punchy sometimes like a little too um they can be a little apologetic about rocking but like this is unapologetic rock and roll it's like one of the biggest bands in the world

truly you've never heard of this oh Dude, no one does that. No one does that anymore? Like the slide down the string? Yeah, yeah, yeah. No one slides down the string with the pick anymore. Why does no one do that anymore? We need to put the synthesizer up for about two years.

Yeah, put the synthesizer up for about two years. We can bring it back. I'm not against the synthesizer. And if we give a white boy a guitar, he can't play, we got it. He has to rock with it. He can't do anything else with it. Do some pick slides. I don't want to hear none more of this saving country music or shit.

I want the, I want our whites to rock. I want guitar, no more than six guitar pedals, okay? You get six. You don't get 20. You don't get 30. You get six guitar pedals. And you have to make the most of them. I want to be clear.

I support blacks rocking too and everybody wants to rock, rock. But I'm talking about white boys have been getting him down in this high, high-falutin version of country shit? Yeah, dude. We're done with that in 26. We're rocking.

We're rocking. Take a fucking page out of Noel and Liam's book. Yeah. And just rock it. Might help if you have a decade's long cube with your brother.

If that's in service to rock, that's just the cost of doing business. Rock and roll, that'll happen in rock and roll. When we talk about righteous gangsterismo with insane character,

The insane characteristics, that covers the rock. Yeah. The rock is included in the insane characteristics. We've lost rock. I love how they just fucking... Listen, I'm going to tell you something. When they call this Brit Pop, that's a Miss No Mars. It was.

That's rock. That's rock. All right, I really got to go for real this time. Yeah, I got pissed. And also I got picking an outfit out for these notes. Oh, yeah, same. All right, thanks for listening to everybody. Please go to the Patreon.

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