Trillbilly Worker's Party - Episode 417: Springabreakers (w/ Special Guest: Steve Sladkowski)

Episode Date: November 6, 2025

Friend of the show Steve Sladkowski of PUP the band joins us as we discuss voter suppression in Kentucky with regards to the New York mayoral race, Zohran's victory in that race and what hope we can take from it as well as what we would like to see from the left going forward nationally, good and bad A.I. bubbles, UPS plane crash in Louisville, and the ongoing perils of being governed by drunks and morons. Catch Steve here: @sladkow on X/Twitter; PUPtheband.com Subscribe to our patreon: patreon.com/trillbillyworkersparty For the everyday is Halloween crowd, our Halloween special is available here now for free: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2BTmHqs2Dw&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.patreon.com%2F

...you know... ...their... ...their... ...that... ...the... ...the... Boy's strange happenings here in Fayette County, Kentucky. Skeldal remains were found at Masterson Station Park on October 25th.

Now they've been identified as a 65-year-old lawyer who, according to the coroner's office, died of natural causes. Which is why his body was found in a park, or his bones were found in a park? Her, her, identified as Jacqueline Carrie Hayman. but yeah authorities have requested dental records which confirmed the identity but one of those classic cases of you're just strolling through the park one day in the very merry month of may and then you just die of natural causes and they find your bones mm-hmm nobody finds your body just your skeletal remains I think you're not living

that life law your life and if you're not dying in parks didn't Vince Foster wasn't he found in a park? Yeah, but I think the nature of his demise was a little different. Well, what was the nature of his demise? He killed him. I don't even know who that is. Vince Foster was a Clinton staffer who killed himself over the shame of the Whitewater scandal,

which is when the Clintons were renting out the Lincoln bedroom to the highest bedder, which in terms in, in, if adjusted for inflate, in today's political scandal realm wouldn't even probably be mentioned, much less... That's always been our position on the Vince Foster death. Because Alex Jones and everybody thinks

that Vince Foster, like, the Clinton's... The Clinton kill list. Like, they had... It's one of the body count. Yeah, the body count. The Clinton body count. But it's like, it's actually a much more indicative story about where America was and is

that Vince Foster killed himself over the stupidest fucking skin. scandal of all time, just the most, you know, nothing burger scandal you could imagine. Why don't we Airbnb the White House? Well, I mean, if you juxtapose that with now with Trump literally tearing down the East Wing to build an arena in a ballroom. I was fine with that, but once they started putting Wine Mom font on every wall in the White House, I was fine, I was fine with the gold gilded, you know,

the gilded gold they put on everything I was fine with the UFC ring but the wine mom fun. The live laugh loveification is the problem that you have. Everything happens for a re-sling in the Lincoln bedroom and they tore out all that beautiful green tile to put the marble tile

in the bathrooms and stuff. I don't know why I'm saying I'm against it. Actually, that actually is pretty dope. Here's the marble. There's the thing, man. I think every present should be able to remodel the whole damn thing. I think you should be able to actually tear it down and build it in your own image, you know?

I suppose it seems like you can't. I think what that's kind of a loophole being exposed here is that he's really the only one with the stones to do it. That's right. That's true. Yeah, it's, yeah, the other cowards, you know, I don't know. Barack Obama, you know, he's built his presidential library, the, you know, the tower that's like he's probably, they probably keep you in stocks up in the top or something to starve you to death type thing, real brutalist-looking thing.

So maybe this is a bad idea. If you're just going on presidential libraries, Obama's haunted tower, I don't know what Biden's presidential library a lot, like God only knows. It's just going to be a courthouse where you can start a Shell Corporation in Delaware. That's right. That's right. Yeah, it'll just be a credit card processing center. And then Clinton's library looks like the world's biggest single-wide trailer.

I'll be at the nicest single-wide trailer in the world. But thematically sound, you know, for a man they called Bubba. Is it in Little Rock? It is in Little Rock. Right on the river. I've spent many a day there. Anyway, so. Is that the value, I'm sorry to interrupt it.

Is that the value ad of a presidential library? it's like what you would want to have changed the White House to if you had free reign. Oh, there, yeah, it's your, uh, it's like your, uh, architectural, like, uh, Barbie dream house. Vision. Yeah, exactly, right. Like, I would put saloon doors. Yeah. And a spittoon. Yeah, naturally. Yeah. And yours would be in Hobbs, right? That's what we think. Probably, yeah. It would be in Hobbs, my presidential library. Steve, where was yours to be at? Yeah, I guess mine would be in Toronto.

Louisville, Kentucky? Yeah, I suppose if we had to keep it, if we had to keep it, you know, in the lower 48, probably in Louisville. Look, buddy, if Trump can run for a third term, surely you can run, you know what I mean? If we're going to suspend the Constitution, we just got to do the whole thing, you know? Well, I mean, you know, they're, I'm just glad that in Louisville they were making sure to vote for Zoro. on uh that is though yeah that is true at least i mean people okay so what you're referencing steve is that um the kentucky secretary of state had to make a statement that people in kentucky could not vote like i guess they were getting phone calls about not being able to vote

they thought there was voter fraud or voter suppression or something and the kentucky secretary of state was like there's no elections today and i think like because People are like, oh, people in Kentucky are so stupid. I can't believe they would think that there's elections today. But, like, we should look at the bright side and applaud the fact that, like, you know, voter turnout. Yeah, people were ready. Yeah, people were engaged. People were ready to practice democracy.

That's right. Not in darkness. That's right. They were trying to stop Sharia law in New York City, baby. Vote. Yeah, Steve's the other night. I'm going to vote early and often for Sharia law in New York Senate. Mm-hmm.

One thing I've got to know about the American Hill, Bill. is electioneering is like candy to him you know like we love elections i've thought about this a lot because in our earlier days we'd say stuff like nobody voted for trump like nobody voted for this actually a lot of people voted for trump hey we were we were so stupid i love that shit like if you listen to the first 300 episodes of the show it's just pure stupid it's great you know it's but it's cute it's endearing yeah endearing you Yeah, absolutely. Well, it was all designed to sort of insulate our people against criticism, you know,

by virtue of, like, the ways that calamity had befallen them and the sort of steep social climate of it all. But two things can sit next to each other. You can have a deep and abiding love for your people and admit a lot of them are goddamn stupid. I was going to say, you could be stupid and have dignity. Yeah, yeah, right. So. Well, we didn't, you don't understand. nuance as easily it doesn't come to you as easily when you're younger media up-and-coming media

celebrity yeah it's a thing that the zoron phenomenon has kind of taught me is that like whenever something like the zoron thing happens i automatically get like a little bit of a hater streak in me not because like i don't hate zoron or anything like that and i'm not like rooting against him or anything but it's like the hillbilly just wants to be in it you know we just won't be in it and i think that's reflected in the people showing up there you know and when we can't be in it it's easy to be like well he's going to be a failure anyway and you know i don't know all that stuff obviously uh i hope he makes good on all that stuff but it's i think it's easy to be a hater when you're excluded which is why i say that if you're

going to be the world city the big the greatest city on earth i'm sorry you got to i think we all need to be in it i think we all need to say it and the people of kentucky spoke up and said We want to participate. We're for Zoron. I mean, I don't really think people in Kentucky were voting for Zoron. No, probably not. They were voting for Andrew Cuomo. Or they were wanting to.

I guess that they were showing up to their local polling place to vote for Cuomo. I mean, maybe the animal, like the pet lovers that Curtis Sliwa, that vote that he was trying to get, you know, maybe those were the people in Kentucky coming out, you know, like the real, he had a real. real big ASPCA. My hunch is this, is that when all the, if all the, if the New York City mayor election

was left in the hands of the people of Kentucky, I guarantee Curtis Sleeva would have enjoyed about 57% of the vote. Oh, one million percent. He would have won hands down. In a wash, in a drumming.

He's got that, you know, that car. Primarily because that his cute little hat that he was. I was going to say Cardinal Red. Yeah. That's true. He would have done well with the Louisville working class, but, yeah. Well, just switch the hat out wherever you're at in the state. That's right, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Put a blue hat on. Maybe like a secretary at checkerboard, you know. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. Kentucky needs love pageantry. And if you're wearing a cute little hat, like, you're already, you know, off to the race. You're already decadent and depraved at that point. That's right.

And not least of which, because you have 37 cats in a lot. a studio apartment with you. Although apparently he has fewer than that now. He came out, as of January, it was like single digits. Really? I think it's 17 now. Oh, I thought it was lower, but I might be, I might have misread. He has to always have a prime number of cats.

Yeah, that's, that's important, you know, I think that, could you imagine the levels of toxoplasmosis that a man must be enduring to just constantly rip the chain smokers and interviews? But they always ask him what his favorite band is. and he's always like, I'm with the chain smokers and somebody else that he says all the time. I can't remember her. Well, you know, I mean, E-D-M, like,

I guess it's due for a comeback, right? Is that what the chain-smokers are? I think so. Okay. It's confusing because there's IDM and EDM and ADM. What's the name for, like, A-Fex Twin and, like, the good electronic music? What's it kind of?

There's like a word that's almost, like the good electronic music 90% of electronic music is good in my opinion i am a unless it's like scrylx you're in the minority on the on that you think you think that it's inverted you think most electronic music is good and only 10% is represented by the trash 100% yes are you are you is that including like all the like ogy like academic like ivory tower people in like the 50s and 60s who were just like in like labs in the sorbonne just like like like what What if I, like, kind of anticipating what a dial-up modem would sound like? Uh-huh.

Yeah, I love that shit. 100%. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. Electronic music for the most part is good. You go back to Wendy Carlos, John Carpenter, you know. I've been listening. I've been listening ever since we saw some of those old Enron commercials when I was up in Canada, Steve, when they basically just took Einstein on the beach.

And then you realize, oh, Passion Pit just heard. Einstein on the beach and made it end here that's right hot chip remember hot chip sure remember chemical brothers oh yeah

I fuck with hot chip I fuck with chemical brothers massive attack yeah you remember that let forever be they've got Noel Gallagher on there that's like the big that big crossover that's a good fucking song

and the B-side setting sun I think that he also didn't you get to see Oasis recently? Yeah I went I went in in Toronto when they were here in August How was it?

How was the show? I'm fucking mad for it. Yeah, I mean, listen, it was I'm gonna be honest with you It was not my first time seeing them So, you know, I just was happy to happy to be there I was a, I was a, I was like all about Oasis when I was like, you know, 13, 14

And none of my friends liked it. So, um, It was like really easy at that point to get tickets. So I saw them like two, three times in Toronto in the like early 2000s. But yeah, I mean, this was the, I truly this was the best of all the times I saw them. They were really good. Steve says if you can't handle me at my Noel Gallagher's high flying acrobatic circus, you don't deserve me at their reunion tour.

That's right. I've seen, and I have actually seen all of them. We've done a few festivals that, like, Liam was on, like, solo, and it's fun to, it's, it's, they're fun. It's a fun band. Yeah, dude. Are, uh, what are their fans like? Are they, like, uh, hooligans? Are you a hooligan? Are you a hooligan for the Blue Jays? The, God, uh, I certainly, I certainly, yeah. Oh, Pakey fucking blonde is it? Fucking Blue Jays. Yeah, they built, there's a section just like in, whatever, like, wherever it is that they used to do it in soccer stadiums. They put us in the cage when we went to go see the Blue Jays, you know,

so to make sure that we didn't get in any trouble. Yeah, so you couldn't throw any beer bottles at anybody and they couldn't throw any at you, you know. That's right. Yeah, no, I think the fans mostly were just like, at this point, we're just like dads and like millennials and like Gen Z. Babies? Yeah, you know.

newborns? How many newborns? Newborns for Oasis? That's right. Start early. The Bible says to start them off from the way they should go when they're young and when they're old,

they won't depart from it. Stay. Yeah, the Blue Jays, Delta. You want to speak on that real quick before we get back to the meat and potatoes. How are you holding up? Well, you know, baseball is largely about loss and heartbreak.

So really, it's just kind of a part for the course. but it was really fun that was a fun run it's uh it's rare especially in a city as kind of uh cold and cynical as Toronto can be it was really nice to have something like that that felt like everywhere you go you know like I took the dog out for a walk after game six and just yelling at guys across the street jason seven you know I feel like the whole the whole city was really um had a moment that everyone kind of got you know people were stopping me in the grocery store if they saw me wearing a hat or like a jays jacket or something and that kind of like that's sort of like civic engagement and and everyone kind of coalescing around something that is actually

joyful rather than divisive uh was was really was special so your father-in-law's sage wisdom to to i think he was dispensing it to terence but he said sports are important as you get older you need to get invested in a team yeah that's right so wait you're saying Toronto cynical is that what you said it yeah certainly can be yeah what I know crazy I saw that video that one woman that's like you need to smoke that you that I'm talking about that didn't sound very cynical to me that sounded like she was pretty happy and excited I you know that uh I like I didn't No, so growing up, like, a lot of the slang that...

You didn't smoke the Ute? Yeah, I didn't smoke Uts in high school, but... What the fuck? I know, it's crazy. But Toronto has such a big Caribbean population. You don't speak French. Let's start to question your Canadian street credentials. I know, I know.

The, I, an Eastern European white boy didn't speak Patoa. It's fucking crazy. But we did have a mayor. We had Rob Ford, right? Who did speak Patois. Who did speak Patois. And he did smoke the Ute. Yeah, we did get, you know, an early version of the Trump playbook.

Have you guys seen, have you watched that Netflix stock yet? The Rob Ford one? No, no, I'm not. It is fucking wild. Well, no offense. I just, um, the thing is, like, I support all politicians everywhere. So people are like, someone, uh, deleted their patron. on subscription because they said

our grand platinum take was retarded and I specifically didn't have a grand platinum take so I'm confused about that so I don't know how you can have a retarded take. Our silence was deafening is the only way I can take that. I guess so my thing is I

just can't hold that many moving pieces and figures and campaigns in my head at one time so it's like I can't as a matter of cognitive capacity, have an opinion on 8,000 different municipal elections

around the world at any of the time. And most in cities that I don't live in as well. Yeah. Primarily because I'm asleep deprived because I have a newborn at home. So I don't have the ability to... How dare you as a new father in Fayette County, Kentucky, not have an opinion on an upstart, you know,

Senate campaign or Congress can't. congressional campaign in Maine. But as a result, the mayor of Toronto, for example, that's a very niche topic that, like, I can't unfortunately get into because I have to reserve that space for IDM artists of the 90s.

That's right. And keeping a child alive. Yeah, keeping a child alive. Yeah, yeah, no, that's, I mean, listen, he's literally dead, so it doesn't matter. He's been going a minute. Although it was good when I saw Drake wearing a jacket that he'd worn.

Yes, he was a football coach. That was at the Jay's game. I was at that, I think I was at that game. No, that was game six. I wasn't at that game. But game one, I don't remember. It was a whirlwind. But yeah, Don Bosco, the Catholic high school in the West End of Toronto that Rob Ford was the football coach at.

Drake had the Rob Ford, like, coach's jacket on. He started in football. He's like Tommy Tuberville. Essentially, yeah. He was, well, he started as, like, a city counselor, but he's like a, he's like the fail son of, like, business owner turned, like, provincial representative. When did he start smoking crack when he was coaching football, when he got into public office like was he doing it to cope with the stresses of public office i mean i don't

or was it the stresses of 18 year old football players yeah i think it was probably more you know just like that that uh gridiron lifestyle uh yeah you imagine friday night lights but uh you know he's he's uh likes to smoke crack yeah exactly coach taylor coach taylor but he's cracking ripping the crack bite Connie Britton just catches him That was such a wild Like that was such a wild time Because we were like touring kind of right at the end

Of the like Rob Ford years in Toronto And people We would be like somewhere in Europe And someone would be like Oh you're from Toronto Your mayor is smoking crack And we'd be like what Fuck you, your mayor smoking crack

God damn it No you're from the hallways your mayor's got his finger in the dyke yeah you're in leipzig shouldn't you be worried about the uprising of fucking Nazi sim what he's talking about yeah trust me

there's bigger things to worry about and leipzig for a few years there like people would just like that was something people would ask us about I will not be lectured by someone who's great grandparents had a story in like the brother's grim

you know what I'm saying like fuck you yeah god's yeah it was a Toronto I think like it's funny too because the knee jerk reaction

to the like Rob Ford years was very very much like I feel like the kind of quintessential like waspy just like getting your your

Knickers in a twist, if you will. Dave, I got to stop you right there, buddy. Whoa. You can't say that on this show. They just elected the most like milk toast guy to continue just, you know, literally elected a guy named John Torrey. Oh. They were like, oh, Rob Ford smoking crack and being on Jimmy Kimmel was too much.

We need John Conservative to be the mayor. That's hilarious. Yeah. which, you know, and then now we have Olivia Chow who is nominally left wing, but again is about as left wing as you can kind of get in a municipal politic, body politic that is a banking center. Well, the, I mean, much has been said about mayor races and what a mayor can do and can't do and how much time should be invested in it. But I wanted to talk about a mayor race that's very important.

And I've been following that nobody has been following. Honestly, should have got more attention. Should have got more attention, honestly. But everybody was like, you've got to have an opinion about Zoran Mamnani. Was that what Obama implored you? Let me be clear. Be clear. You got to have a take on Zoramemnon.

But I'm really. referring, of course, to the mayoral race of Hobbs, New Mexico, which Oh, baby. Which took place this year. There's really nothing much to say about it. But I just wanted to point out the voter turnout was the funniest

maybe the funniest voter turnout I've ever seen. The population of Hobbs fluctuates a little bit, because it depends on how good the oil industry is doing at any given time. But right now, it's like hovering around 40,000 people. Do they have draft kings, and

AI and Hobbs yet but we need to just basically divorce you from your material reality and that'll change real quick they certainly have draft kings in Hobbs and um but uh

the you know about 40,000 people give or take the um the voter turnout was 3,800 something people so that's less than 10% of people didn't hit the 10% mark

now I'm told that in Australia that they just, they don't, they won't verify an election with that kind of turnout. But it has to hit a certain threshold before they'll certify the results. They'll find you there if you don't vote, I think, right? Yeah, I think so. Oh, hell yeah. Yeah. But in America, the lower the bad.

That's right. Nine dick-hand skin. I'm not even talking about the billionaires. I'm just talking about like nine guys that are just a little overzeil so the polls can determine your whole fate for four years. Mm-hmm. That's like a, uh, you, that's like five apartment complexes. That is true. That is true.

Is there any word on the demographics here? Like, who was the 8% of the, of Lee County that showed up? Uh, there's no word on the demographics. The New York Times didn't break that one down, unfortunately. They didn't send anyone, anyone deep to the, the border of West. Texas and New Mexico. Yeah, they didn't let you aggregate out the who voter for who, but... Truly a shame that we know, you know, how many Azerbaijani nationals voted for

Mamdani in, you know, Ridgewood, New York, but we don't know the even a hint of a demographic breakdown in the Hobbs mayoral race. I mean, as far as I understand it, it was between a guy, and I know the guy that won, he's just like a really Christian dork he's like a short guy I could I'm not a very big guy myself but I could probably easily fold him up

you stuff him in a locker hardcore man but the other guy was like I don't even add it like I don't want to like disparage anybody on this program because maybe word will get back to people like

Oh, oh, the former Hobbson, Terrence Ray has been smirching public officials. Well, we're not running a negative program around here anymore either. That's true. This is all positive. That's right. Yeah, a lot of people have criticized us over the years for being negative. That is true. Well, that ends today, for him.

That is in today. Especially, I got a kid now, so I'm super pos. I'm super pos. Yeah, I'm super pause. Paws for measles. which obviously all the news is positive right if you were in Lee County it might be a re-out that is true that was literally the epicenter of the measles outbreak

was it well I wonder if that I wonder if the new mayor's got anything to say about that or if that was like a cornerstone of the campaign like listen I'm a single issue person and what that is is measles we need more of it We got toughening these kids up. Where was ours? Ours was in southwest Ontario, which is like kind of between here and Detroit.

Yeah. Are there Mennonites? That's why the Mennonites. That's why the measles broke out. I think the Mennonites, that's more like in the prairie and kind of out west. Yeah. Ours was probably, maybe a few Mennonites actually. Yeah, there's some Mennonite populations out there

now that I think about it. That's some badass shit, man. They're like autonomous. They're living off the grid. Like, they don't submit to federal laws and stuff. They're fucking completely, like, living on their own. That's right. Man, it must be sick.

God's law, baby. You're basically like a, you're basically like a Native American if you sold, you know, puppy milled Doberman puppies with bellies full of worms, you know. and the sordid candies. Dude, those meditites are crazy, dog. They have massive peanut farms, and they used to not use electricity.

Now they've made some exceptions and they use electricity now. What's the loophole? They found a loophole. Or they've just embraced Modernan. The thing about religion is you can always find a loophole, man. You always find a loophole. Yeah, the Shabbas goy.

honestly not a bad not a bad racket to be it I heard Elvis Presley was a Shabba Shabbas Goy and then like basically like Walter Sobchuk I think so yeah I think so I think you know how like you know like I've seen like

in some Jewish communities they like tie the strings to stuff so they can just kind of tug it to you know what I'm talking about like to avoid doing work like on the same like the ultra-observant you know what I mean Now, imagine, imagine being like, you're a Jewish person in Memphis in the 1950s or 40s probably when I'm. Okay, I'm imagining, yes, I've closing my eyes.

Imagine you've been fairly marginalized by it. And I'm in Memphis and I'm surrounded by, I'm listening to a young Aretha Franklin singing her gospel to. Nason's tax records. Carl Perkins called me a slur at a lunch counter. And so I'm sitting there and I'm going to say, listen, man, I'm tired of yanking this string every Saturday. Let's hire this kid Elvis to go run errands for us. There you go. You know?

And then that guy ends up being Elvis fucking Presley. Explain the concept of Shavas going to me. So it's like you're an Aaron boy for a Jewish person or family. That's all true. That won't work on the Sabbath. But like the loophole as you get, you get a gender. to help you out with like the labor stuff for just for 24 hours that's so tight i was going to say for like the for the like menonite communities i'm like yeah it's pretty bad that they're not

getting shots but man that furniture they're making is fucking that shit will last a lifetime so who can say really oh hell yeah i think i think yeah that's where i land on the annabaptist traditions I respect their craftsmanship. I respect their fudge candies and assorted treats and stuff like that. I think we need to sit down with the council and talk a little bit more about animal husbandry. No. Yeah. We don't need to be breeding dogs.

The Amish are also within the Anabaptist tradition, right? Yeah, I think so. And, like, they're so autonomous. They don't even have social security cards, right? that I don't know I don't know if I think that's kind of right though I think like basically the the deal

the value ad was that they you know get to like basically be independent of all that stuff like so like honestly when you think about it if the sovereign citizens would just get together and start a church that's what I'm saying it's like all political tendencies now

they or none of the current political tendencies are really thinking on that level Like that's some really innovative shit They're like We're so autonomous Like we're so disconnected From the reach of the federal government

That like We don't even have We don't recognize the government's ability To recognize our individuality Our sovereignty Like we're fully sovereign Yeah So what's tight dog

Do you think Does rum spring out Do you need like a temporary Social Security number to do Rum Spring? Or do you just go out there? You just go... If you're on Rum Springa,

you're basically the freest man in the world or woman. So the Rum Springer party is what we need. You have... Dog, you have... I didn't even think about that, Steve. Could rock banks and shit? Mm-hmm. Like, you could presumably...

Because there's no record of your, like, fingerprints or anything like that. Right? Yeah, but you don't have to... Dog. You don't have to burn them off, like in the case if you were like a Serbian gangster, you know what I mean?

Yeah. Or in the men in black. That's right, yeah. Yeah, I was going to say some sort of 90s movie fugitive, essentially. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They should do a movie, like, Good Time with Robert Pattinson, but it's Rum Spring and it's like a group of Amish kids going, you know what I mean, on a crime spree. Like on a crime spree, yeah, yeah, yeah. And no one can catch them because they're all completely, they don't have sense.

Yeah, their persona non grata, essentially. That is curious, you know, there are like Amish gangsters. too. I've seen that on some of these reality shows. And if you think about it, that's a great organized crime racket to be in. You're just totally off the grid, right? Amish Gangster was, that's essentially the

premise of the Weird Al parody, right? Well, yes, but it turns out that it's like, it's also a thing too. There is an organized crime element literally in every culture. See, that's beautiful to me. I'm looking at this. I'm agree with you stuff.

There is a movie called Rumspringer from 2022. It looks like it's kind of in the vein of, remember those movies in the 2000s like road trip and Euro trip and shit like that? Oh, sure. It's kind of, sure. It's the hangover. It's Amish hangover. I've got it.

I've got it. Springa Breakers. And it's like four Amish girls and they go ham, but they got the pink ball of clavas on and just shoot guns. throw cash at James Franco for some reason with Scrillx

with Screlex which according to Terrence if you were a workshop that you might take him off the soundtrack and yeah yeah well you know you want you want to create mis twins right yeah

I mean like in the movie he had his car and everything like in this one they'll have a horse drawn buggy but with like a system and rim rims on yeah right right it's like a

speaker's hitting in the back pit my wagon sort of thing Yeah that's right Yeah that's right Man I feel I feel sorry For the people who tuned in

Like Oh I can't wait to hear The Troubillies take On Zor on Mom Donnie I mean Instead you get spring of breakers I mean I did I did like that

They had that That party at the Brooklyn Paramount Which was the venue That we played two nights at And I still haven't heard whether or not anyone from the Momdani team has beaten our high score in a Godzilla Paramount or Godzilla Pinball in the Brooklyn Paramount Green Room. So that's, that's something that I need from the Mondani victory. So Pup has the high score? We have one of the, yeah, we have one of

the high scores. I think it was like us and bright eyes with the two high scores on the pinball. Oh shit. Yeah. Connor Oberst, a pinball ringer. So Mom Dani, as you know, I think I tweeted this out but your first act is New York City mayor I need to know what you scored on that Godzilla pinball damn well he'll use his power and influence to pencil whip the you know the score so

live nation that's where I would in life what kind of pinball are we talking is it I mean I'm sorry Godzilla is it like the original no no it was like a newer machine I think let me see if was it based on the 90s Godzilla that had P. Diddy in it and Robert Plant? I don't actually

actually remember. Is that no, that was Jimmy Page? Or was it Robert Plain? It looks like it retails, it retails between $7,000 to $10,000. Damn. Oh, no, it is, it is like a classic. Yeah, it's like a classic Godzilla. It looks like a 70s.

Like, you know, when they went into, into color. Uh-huh. Like when he starts to face like Mothra and Gadorah. I fuck heavily with Mothra. Now that's a fucking, now that's a monster. Now that's a monster. Now that's a monster. A couple of days ago on Criterion, I guess it was Godzilla Day.

I don't know what that is. I don't know if it's like it was Godzilla's birthday or it was like the release of the first film or something. And they just had every Godzilla movie on a loop on Criterion. Oh, interesting. It was awesome. Did you all watch Godzilla Plus one? That was beautiful.

I haven't seen that yet, no. That's the ticket. We tried to watch one when we were in San Francisco last year. I think it was plus more. Yeah. It's been about the time it was out. But, you know, the silence of the new administration in New York City on pinball high scores. Definitely.

Well, you know, I guess that's our cue to get right into it, isn't it? I did love the... the video they made uh of just the new york city subway door opening at the city hall station and it says last and final stop stop city hall i thought that was there's a nice little creative creative piece i didn't see it that's good it's a short little just like very quick little cinema and then his like logo fades in it's a nice nicely done tasteful yeah that's how that's how i would have done that's how i would have done it if i were the dodgers

You know, I would have done something brief, tasteful, and artistic instead of it. I said what they're doing, taking a victory lap on the proud citizens of Toronto. Yeah, and at, you know, I'll give it to our man, David Grossman, though, as a, he's a Dodger fan, and, you know, he was also celebrating the Mamdani victory. Two dubs inside of a week for our man, David Grossman. I'll give it to him. Shout out to David. it was really funny

the people I saw like tweeting stuff like oh my God oh my God who will protect us who our lives are under attack now what are we going to do

and it's like they live in like Los Angeles and shit I saw a former cast member of the Real Housewives of I think I can't remember if it was New York I think it was New York a cost of a zoron canvasser and she just walks up to us just starts like pelting her with questions and all this guy i saw that too yeah it turns out that she somehow on a show that included a cast

member romana singer who was a photograph getting on the trump plane and has been like verbally pro-ice and all this stuff the person that accosted the zoron canvasser somehow got managed managed to get fired from the show for her races there you go apparently there's you know she slurred one of the cast members um

Brian who is half black but does not necessarily present as black like you know uh definitely white passing and still managed to you know

crank out some slurs directed toward her so she went no go ahead to it sorry is you going to ask what's show is she on? Like what Desperate Housewives

is she on? Of New York? Is that what it was? Desperate Housewives of New York is... That's a good idea. Real Housewives. I think she's on Real Housewives of New York for half a second. Real Housewives, I'm sorry. Desperate Housewives, that was a different show, wasn't it? Yeah, that was a different set of housewives with a different set of temperaments. With needs. Different set of needs.

Desperate Housewives of New York feels like it could be a bit of a blue movie if it was going to be a... totally so in any case what Zoran has engendered his victory has engendered and some of the worst people on the planet has been very nice to say

yeah it's been delightful it was amazing to see how quick just the line was the speech because he like quoted Eugene Debs that it was no longer uh was he striking a conciliatory tone but actually he much like donald trump this was on a on

cnn i saw it much like donald trump he was appealing to his base by quoting uh eugene debbs whoa his base yeah damn who's his base indiana farmers that are incarcerated or yeah is that what they're going for i should really use my brief incarceration as a kickoff point for some sort of campaign, perhaps a coroner of Fayette County or something. Yeah. I don't know what to tell you, man. He quoted KRS 1 and Eugene Debs.

He was talking to the vast majority of New York City, I think, at that point. Damn. I forgot Tom went to jail recently. You told that story on the show, didn't you? That was quite the story that you told there, Tom. I saw some things that can't unsee, boys. You should have run, you should, yeah, within, like the 12 hours you were there, you should have, like, launched a campaign.

I should have told the guy that I was like, you have no idea how you've inspired me. This won't break me. You can't break me. Unbreakable. You do kind of say, I will say this, however brief my incarceration was,

you really do see how the IDF has their footprints on every, like, level of American society. It is like, it is like being, it is like micro-dosing, like being in this weird reality where they're like just playing these, weird mind games with you, you know?

Didn't he get, didn't someone call him anti-Semitic for this statement he had made like just two or three years ago? Zoran Mamdani, this statement he had made like two or three years ago that like when the boot of the NYPD is on your neck, it's also the boot of the idea. If something to that effect, someone said it was anti-Semitic, there was this huge like moral panic or outrage over it. It's just, it's literally true. Like the NYPD has like an opposite.

office in Tel Aviv. Yeah. Like attack and train. I think it's pretty well documented that, you know, domestic forces have, you know, trained overseas. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

But the thing is, man, I mean, like, really thinking about it, I really think that the, um, all politics from now on will be determined by Israel, more or less. I mean, not, I don't. mean like Israel will determine and pick them. I'm saying that like the lines on which it's breaking down on both the left and the right is on the question of Israel. It seems very much like it's the unspoken thing. No one wants to talk about. This is the I was fascinated by the there's like a this op-ed columnist for the FT. Edward Luce. You know about this guy? Edward Lose. Luce. Yeah, L-U-C-E. Is he related to the famous life map?

magazine founder I don't know I should look that up Is that his name? Maybe This was So he published this on Election Day

November 4th If you're in line Stay in line That goes double For Kentucky That's right But the op-ed was Don't Blame the Left

For U.S. Anti-S. anti-Semitism Which was a shocking thing to read in the FT That is shocking Let me hear I can share it with you guys No no relation to Henry Luce

He doesn't look like he's British British No anti-Semitism comes from his left mate The lead photo is Tucker Carlson and Nick Fuentes Like smiling at each other Loving But yeah like a constellation of figures

From J.D. Vance to Elon Musk are wittingly or otherwise making anti-Semitism respectable again. America's anti-Jewish threat comes largely from the right. Zoran Mamdani, the likely next mayor of New York City, is widely accused of anti-Semitism because of his criticisms of Israel. Equating the two is highly questionable. He denies the charge and a non-trivial slice of Jewish New Yorkers back him. Even if Mamdani exercised the international criminal court's arrest warrant on Netanyahu,

he could not. Would that stem from prejudice? 68% of American Jews have negative views on Israel's current government. Mamdani's critique is no outlier. So, like, you have an op-ed columnist in the FT even saying, come on, like, what are we talking about here? That was a fascinating thing to read in a paper as, you know, fawning over the current moment as the FT tends to be.

It was a weird thing Like the Did you see Jonathan Greenblatt The ADL guy on Morning Joe this morning It's like I'm still giving that guy an audience Yeah I mean it's like The

The big controversy on the right this week Was over Tucker Carlson And Nick Fuentes And like you know You had people in the New York Times Being like I saw one thing, I think Isaac Chotner

had posted it, I saw one thing where this column that's in the New York Times was like, the Trump campaign, MAGA has always tried to present itself as not completely prejudiced while entertaining the likes of Tucker Carlson and Nick Fuentes. Like, basically the, the

gist this week is that like famously moderate on race, the MAGA movement. Exactly, exactly. Like, can MAGA continue to survive if it cuts out the Groypers? that's basically been like the discourse on the right and it's like I have not seen a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of outrage over the rights continued courting of actual anti-Semitism as I have like them freaking out about Zoran Mamdani winning it's just I mean it's obviously a trite point we've said it many times but like come on guys like everybody sees it everybody knows like yeah I mean it's like it's like it's literally in the F.T. Yeah, right.

You know? Yeah. If the F.T., yeah, famously with the stockholders in mind, you know, or, you know, or, you know, or say, come on now. The apex of the capitalist press. Or like you tell me, the RAND Corporation's white paper, you know, we're going to have to like the U.S. is just going to have to accept. It's going to have to live right next door and coexist with, you know.

I pulled the key, the key findings of the RANPapers white. Or the RAND Corporation's white paper on stabilizing the U.S.-China rivalry. Terrence, did you see this? Yeah, I saw you mentioned it in the group chat. Each side accepts that some degree of modus vivendi must necessarily be part of the relationship. Modus Vivendi. So for those of us that don't speak Latin, what's that mean? The mode of life.

A way of living, which is practical coexistence. Each side accepts the essential political legitimacy of the other. In specific issue areas, especially those disputed by the two sides, let's say maybe like Taiwan, each side works to develop sets of shared rules, norms, institutions, and other tools that create lasting conditions of a stable modus vivendi within that domain over a specific period. I will say this, that there was a guy one time named John Fitzgerald Kennedy,

that brought that idea to the meeting one time he's like guys what if we could just live in coexistence with the Soviets we'll do our thing they'll do our thing a week later his wife was having his brains I stood you know I sent you guys that photo I stood in Dallas a couple of weeks

ago in the X in the middle of the fucking well you had to get to the bottom of it so you still had some lingering questions whoa mm-hmm get out of there man that's dangerous stuff I you want to there was so much QAnon graffiti from the place where they

alleged the second shooter was standing. It's fucking amazing. Dude, the story laid out in the movie JFK there's those like 10 shooters. Behind that picket fence, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's where all the QAnon graffiti is.

Oliver Stone, he floated the 10 shooter theory. Some things did that affect, yeah. He was like, actually, it was like the shootout at the OK Corral. Everybody was such a bad shot that only one person got it. Actually, this was the alamo. After having witness to shoot out in my street just a few months ago, where they each unloaded clips on each other,

and not only did they not hit each other, they didn't hit anything. I think that, like, you just, we tend to not realize, like, it's really hard to shoot somebody. Yeah. It's really tough. The Second Amendment is the right to bear arms, not the right to shoot well. Yeah. My question is like, okay, if you are experienced enough in gunplay to have a full-blown shootout

in front of people's homes in a residential area, you'd think you'd be good enough to at least make contact, you know what I mean? Yeah. It's like that's not your first time doing that. You didn't just say, hey, we're going to pop up over on whatever street Terrence happens to live on. and things are not

for talking to me very deft that was good I just sent you guys the graffiti from the picket fence at the grassy knoll and it says

groovy Q truth seeker hell yeah it is pretty groovy I'm glad schoolboy Q's found something to do after rats that's golf you know that

that co-existing is funny because unlike the early 1960s, like the co-exist mantra from the liberals from people like JFK was it was pragmatic in the sense that like, look, we don't want nuclear war

because nuclear war is bad for business, all right? So like let's just not let's not nuke the entire planet. Yeah, we can't make any money if we're all in radiation tents, it turns out. Right, yeah. Now the co-existing is not, you know, motivated by any pragmatic self-survival or anything like that. It's purely because the United States is run by a bunch of cowardly inept, basically, like, I don't know how to put it.

Like, I don't, I'm not saying this in a sense that, like, we should be brave and we should stand up to the Chinese because I don't obviously want a Cold War or a hot war with the Chinese. But also that ship has sailed, too, because I mean, we talked a little bit about this on the Patreon, this Ida Chavez article where it said that China now controls 95% of rare earth minerals, including all the ones we use in our weaponry. And they also control 90% of the infrastructure to process it. Yeah, I mean, even Jensen Huang, like the Navidia guy the other day, was like, China's going to win, whatever you think of this AI race, like China's going to win it. because, you know. My point is that, yes, exactly. Like, Tom, you called it correctly a few weeks ago. Like, we've decided we don't want that smoke with China.

Like, we don't, you know what I mean? Like, you can tell that the U.S. government and policymakers have made this decision because they are going hard on Venezuela and they're also going hard on Africa, right? So it's like, it's not like, it's very obvious. Sudan. What's that, Tom? Is the Darfur thing? What's happening in Sudan right now?

That too, but also Nigeria. You know what I mean? It's like, it's several different like proxy things going on. Like, they're just obviously not trying to bow up to China anymore and it's pretty patently obvious. Well, and like, and it kind of, like in Canada, you know, the federal budget just came out and a big part of, Mark Carney's last couple of weeks was after the whole Huawei extradition arrest that Justin Trudeau made of the Huawei CEO a few years ago that completely destroyed Chinese-Canadian relations. Mark Carney went and had a meeting with Xi Jinping in South Korea and basically

was like, all right, like Trump's going nuts. We need to figure out. a, like, reset of, like, Chinese-Canadian relations. And two days ago, group travel to China from Canada was, like, re-approved, like, tourists. So it's, like, the weird, like, strategic realignment that's happening as a result of the tariffs and as a result of kind of, like, domestic and foreign policy in the U.S. is, like, is fascinating. It does beg the question. Did Trump just think everybody was just going to get in line without, like, an obvious bargaining ship too. I mean, like, something that Alexander Avenia said on the Patreon this week was that, like,

do you remember that, uh, that, um, conference in Peru where Joe Biden famously just turned from the lectern and started walking into the rainforest? And everybody was like, where's he going? He said, he said something, it was like striking. He said, at that same conference, uh, Xi had promised to basically just make all of Peru's port state of the art and promised all these billions in investment, like for their ports and their transit and all this stuff. The U.S.'s contribution at that same conference, Joe Biden handed them off a hundred of our decommissioned old oil tankers we don't use anymore.

Like, there's no, like, we can't even throw our money around anymore, you know what I mean? I feel like, Terrence, you've made this point, I think, a bunch about, like, U.S. aid and, like, it being not only like one of the ways to subsidize like like domestic farming but i think as like a one of the most effective tools of like american soft power yeah and it really is remarkable to me i guess not it shouldn't be maybe i'm a fucking rube but like just like how how quickly what was like uh for better or for worse one of the sort of like uh enduring like strong points of American foreign policy, like soft power. Like literally being able to provide that aid has just essentially disappeared. Like I'm like, how did you fumble? You were, you were

celebrate, you had, you could have celebrated that touchdown by just getting into the end zone and instead you fumbled at the like one yard line. In the 90s, LSU was up by 38 on Kentucky at half time and they found a way to lose. You know what I mean? Like, it's just sometimes you just just fumble the big lead, Steve. I don't know what's so hard to... Yeah, look, I watch the Toronto Blue Jays in the World Series. I get it.

But, like, it's crazy to me because it feels like in that vacuum, of course the Chinese can do it. Yeah. And will, and are. Because why wouldn't you if you're in that position, right? Well, I think that Trump himself has always shown a very...

Say what you want about him, but he does have a weird... acumen about being able to discern winners and losers and I think that he fundamentally knows at a subconscious level that US would be a loser like he's doing the math there

he's doing the calculus and like I think he fundamentally knows the US would be a loser in some sort of like forget just a military confrontation with China just even an economic confrontation with China like it's obviously doesn't really behoove us and do you think that 100%

Harris was just the old college try, like the last ditch effort to kind of throw them off their pegs. The same way that he, when he, like, Trump famously does the hard handshake and pulls you toward him to like... Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was that. And then when that didn't work, he's just like, well, all right, boys, nothing else to try here. Let's go attack Venezuela. Well, I think that you can tell by the way that they've treated the military. Like, they think that there's something fundamentally wrong with our war fighting capabilities, which obviously there is, but I'm not, you know, in the business of telling how to people how to, like, fight wars and whatnot. But, like, their obsession with, like, how soldiers present themselves and all this is a manifestation.

It's a kind of, like, verbalization of how they see the U.S. military as something that's, like, declining in efficiency and capability, and they want to be able to fix it somehow. But it's, like, of course, these are drunks and morons. Like, they don't have any actual grasp on, you know, what's going on and, like, how to fix it. And so, like, in the classic bully fashion, like, they're just going to turn to weaker people, nations, whatever, like Venezuela or Nigeria or whatever. Yeah. And try to assert their power that way. It's like, yeah, it's like pulling back from the soft power thing, but it's also doubling down on, you know, actual military might in places where they know they're not. not going to face any kind of opposition.

What's crazy to see is that this is like the first time maybe in my life that you're seeing like the U.S. military kind of in the same position rushes in with like Ukraine like kind of overextended because like we're literally sending out munitions quicker than we can like replenish them mostly because China does control all these all these minerals, rare earth minerals that we're using drones that we use in bombs and all this kind of stuff. like we have moron and drunked our way to a position where like we basically are in this not dissimilar to what russia's in right now which i saw that russia is like like recommissioning like old weapons from the cold war era but like retrofitting them with like uh like chinese engines

and stuff that they got off timu well it's like it's like one of the things again that uh like Again, if Jensen Huang is like, everything China is doing is making it easier for whatever AI is going to be in the future, then what, like, so you can't even, the one thing that the economy essentially is propped up on, you still can't out maneuver China. You can't out vapor them. yeah we can't out material them we can't out vapor them yeah like and they have more renewable energy so even if even if AI turns out to be a fraction of what it's being purported to be which obviously it's fucking not going to but like they there's more set up and a government in place that will actually deal with it in a in a reasonable way yeah i don't know man did you see invidia was valued at what five trillion dollars

last week and there is a very fascinating story in the New York Times about open AI's finances and I guess I hadn't really like thought about it before but it is very interesting that the I know those are two different

businesses by the way but just to give an illustration on how big this bubble is like you've got like in video like valued at like five trillion dollars or whatever. But like open AI, I didn't read the entire article, but like the gist of it was that like the funding sources for open AI and the things that they spend their money

on are basically just like subsidiaries and shell corporations that just funnels the money right back into open AI. And basically what it was trying to show is that like its valuation is extremely, I mean, it is highly, highly overvalued. It's contention on its legalized money laundering. Exactly, yes. It's just, it's exactly right, Tom. It's just money laundering. I mean, it's why, like, what was this?

Like, four or five days ago, uh, Warren Buffett sold off another $6.1 billion of stock. Yeah, well, I mean, Tim, um, shout out to Tim Barker on Twitter. He had this, um, thread that was like, you know, basically soliciting, like, questions like why um what are people's explanations for why the bubble hasn't popped yet

and there were some pretty good ones in there but one that did catch my eye was someone was making the point that like the pentagon like backstops 90% of this industry because so much is riding on AI from a national security perspective that like it's kind of too big to fail like they won't let it collapse, they won't let the bubble pop because, right, like so much of our imperial business at this point is riding on AI. So it's just kind of one of those questions of like they, like, I don't know, like I just, it's not like the subprime lending crisis, like that wasn't tied into imperial, you know, developments around the world that was more of a sort of like domestic markets issue like this is more intricately tied into how the world

economy functions and how the u.s tries to extend its its leverage and influence in it the it's it is so interesting though because like the cracks are starting to show even in that like sphere right like you saw michael burry uh shorted palantir oh yeah the big short guy yeah yeah the christian Bail character. Palantir and invidia, I think. Yeah. You know, and like the, there was like a couple days ago, yesterday Deutsche Bank, there was like a thing

that broke, Deutsche Bank is worried about its exposure to data centers. Uh-huh. So it's like, you know, the classic kind of follow the money shit, but like

definitely there's, people are worried. People are definitely definitely worry. Dog, dude, look at like a $5 trillion dollar valuation and then you look at like open AI, like you said Tom's just a money laundering operation, like meta

and all the things that they're doing. Like, dude, when the bubble collapses, people have been saying it, but it will be biblical. I mean, this is not like subprime lending. This is not a dot com bust. Like, it's, it will be biblical. It represents, what we say, like, you showed that

several weeks ago, Steve, that it's like, and this it's probably inflated since then, but 84% of the U.S. economy is like wrapped up in this. And only 14% of that, 84%, they can actually attach some sort of tangible value to. The rest of it is just speculation.

Yeah. I think there was a Washington Post headline just before we got on that said there were job losses like verging on recession territory. Yeah. It was October had the largest number of layoffs since 2003.

yes god damn that's probably that's probably fine right because yeah it's probably fine um there's a i was i did it since we were kind of throwing out topics and stuff i did a deep dive on the last couple of days of that of the ft so a lot of like what i'm giving you is sort of pretty ft heavy but again the apex of the english language capitalist press is always the best place um 12 hours ago, 12 hours ago, an article was published. Are bubbles good, actually? Well, dude, that's a funny thing. Like, Jeff, I think Jeff Bezos said the other week, like, well, yes, AI is a bubble, but it's the good kind of bubble. Yeah, this is basically, this is basically what, uh, all right. This is basically what, uh, what the article is about. Uh, I love, it opens with,

uh, Swiss psychiatrist, Elizabeth Kublo, Ross suggested that there are five stages of grief, but nobody has the attention span for that anymore. That is true. We've ADD'd our way out of the five stages of grief. Uh, we have left instead from stage one denial. There is no AI bubble to stage five. Acceptance. A.I. is a bubble and bubbles are great. Dude, they have, they really have. I mean, we're all Vince Foster essentially. Like, we have all, we've just become so well. well-adjusted to calamity and disaster that this shit doesn't even register for us anymore. Like, the stuff that people used to jump off buildings about.

Like, we're like, yeah. Well, not yet anyway, right? Like, I think this is the thing. It's like, I like to Terrence, what you said. I feel like this is a, uh, maybe a week ago or, or whatever, but just like, they're going to invent new ways of, like, committing stock market crash suicide. Oh, yeah. Hell yeah.

A. Yeah, I'm assisted perhaps. Yeah. Yeah, they, um, it's, it's, uh, but I will say, I will say, man, I, um, there's two ways this ends. I'm trying to game it out. I think that like, there's, like I said, two ways this ends. There's the sort of like barbaric, brutal path where we just slowly, we are already

balkanizing. Like, I think that process has already begun. um like you're already seeing like a breakdown or sort of fragmentation but like people are still leaving enough like feet in doors in thresholds to kind of keep you know like one foot in one foot out in the event that like we do still want to continue this american thing um but like yeah like you're saying a kind of like breakdown that'll be increasingly like bloody violent um militarize whatever. But, like, after the elections of this week, I'm kind of

starting to see the outlines of a second path, and this one might be just as black-pilling as the first one for a number of reasons. And Terrance, we say we're going to stop doing a negative podcast. Well, look, this isn't negative. I mean...

You put it out there, and then we'll spin it. You know, that's kind of... That's true. We're shopping here. Yeah, yeah. We'll put some polish on it for the positive craft. I mean, I don't... Again, I don't know. I'm getting old, and I've, you know, I'm just trying to accept my role as an elder statesman at this point. I'm calling balls and strikes.

I'm not like... You've earned the ride to be crotchety. You've now sired in air, you know? That's right. Yeah, and I'm not involved in, like, the scrum as much as I was in my 20s and early 30s. Like, I'm not fucking chaining myself to fucking... Inloaders. Inloaders and fucking trying to get arrested and all this.

Yeah, me either. But, yeah. But I will say that, like, I kind of wonder after the, what I've seen this past week, if a second path might be we once again hit the New Deal button and kind of avert or pull ourselves out of the nose dive with the long away. blue wave and I I don't know maybe that's maybe that's way to sort of optimistic or way too pessimistic I don't know because you do have people like Pete Buttigieg and Cory Booker basically being like hell yes to Jay Jones and Abigail Spanberger for you know the going up against MAGA and pulling out the blue blue win or whatever and not

mentioning Zoran Mamdani at all um I had to look up if Abigail Spanberger was a Republican. When I, when we were in Richmond playing a couple last month, I had to, or in September, I actually had to look up, like based on her campaign commercial that I saw in like a hotel room. Let's call it what it is, that name. Yeah, well, whatever. I mean, it's just like, Spamberger kind of sounds like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, delicious. Spam burger. Yeah, I had to look it up and I was like, oh, okay, okay. She's really talking about being tough on crime. She's a Democrat.

Okay. Anyway, sorry, go ahead, Terrence. Well, I don't know if this is going to... So, I just say that, like, I try to take my cues more from my friends and people I know rather than from the likes of Pete Buttigieg or Corey Booker about where things are heading. That instinct will serve you well on this life. Yeah. For the record.

And I will say this. The people who in 2016 and even 2020 were like, Bernie's not electable, I'm sorry, I kind of like him, but like, it's just not going to work. We got to go with what's going to, what's proven to work, blah, blah, blah, blah. I got to vote Biden, got to vote Hillary or whatever. I am seeing people now, those same people being like on fire for Zoron and for people like Zoron. And so that makes me wonder if they have now decided, because I've seen this a lot, people are like, the libs are radicalizing the libs are radicalizing there is a truth to that they are actually radicalizing and i don't know if that's a good thing like you have to ask yourself do you want that

do you want radical libs do you want like pussy has bomb and post offices that that that that that prophecy to come true yeah i don't know i mean i again i don't have much of a uh i'm a communist i'm a cranky communist okay like i don't like i don't want um fDR 2.0 i want um fdr 2.0 i one fucking linen. So I don't know if maybe Zoron is that. But what I'm starting to see, though, is that like, like I said, like sort of vote blue no matter who lives,

who are, like, shall we say, getting more comfortable with the idea of using government to punish their enemies, which I support, fuck the right wingers, put them all in jail. But like, I think that, like, There might be a hard stop once you get to anything left of Zoron. You know what I'm saying?

It might be like, all right, we're good with democratic socialism or social democracy, whatever you want to call it. Or like we like that at a local municipal level, maybe a state level, but once it gets to a federal level. But it don't play in Branson. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I don't know.

I'm just, like I said, I'm just, this is vibes-based, dog. This is not evidence-based whatsoever. And also, I mean, I, I, I'm not like involved in a active organizing project. So I don't know. But I will say that I talk to a lot of people like not involved in active organizing. And it seems like vote blue no matter who has now started to shift to the left a little bit. So like they're cool with like vote blue no matter who also including, you know, more Bernie type people, more Zoran type people, which is probably a good thing.

Like I mean, I want free health care and I want all the things that they want. I also don't know if that's going to redound to the left in the long run. Maybe it will. Maybe it won't. I'll support it nonetheless because I want free health care. Yeah. I made it at this point. I mean, as an outsider, like, obviously I work in the United States a lot and visit.

We're in Kentucky a lot. But like, I, in the absence of creating a new party, I see how there's probably not an insignificant, like, section of people who are just like, there have to be wins. So if these are how we're going to get wins, then we got to go out there and get the wins. I don't, you know, whether that's taken hold with people in leadership positions who actually make decisions on nominating candidates and stuff, who knows? But like, I get it. I get where you're kind of coming from there well do you want to you want a data point that's like completely black billing i'll give you know i do 82% of college age males are on draft kings oh it's tough okay well yes there's that

um this is more in the opposite direction this might be worse than 82% of college males being on draft kings i'm ready the new york times profit jumps with 460 000 more subscribers the times now has 12.33 million total subscribers to all of its product. It is said it is aiming for 15 million by the end of 2027. Now, is this the same times, is this the same times that said that Dick Cheney was a champion of democracy abroad? Is that what it said? As early as, as two days ago. Yeah, it said a champion for war, but also resistance, something to that effect. Yeah, I mean, the same times that, like, the same times that in my, you know, that, you know, has been advocating for genocide.

basically, or at least providing cover for it. As counting Palestinians as somehow less than three-fifths of a person. The same one that gave what was essentially a neutral report that the Trump

administration was weighing military options for Venezuela a couple of days ago. Yeah, it may be that you know, I remember after October 7th being like, well, we can at least definitively say that one ideology that is heading towards the dustbin is liberal Zionism, but it may actually be the opposite. It may be that, like, the Democratic electorate is incredibly critical of Israel and

once arms embargo, but maybe at the end of the day, they still are okay with Israel existing. Like, I think if you read between the lines of some of Zoran statements, like he's not said anything anti-Zionist, and he said liberal Zionist things, you know what I mean? that, like, Palestinians should not be killed, whatever, but, like, Israel still has a right to exist, blah, blah, blah. So, I don't know, man. It could be that, like, those are the sort of, like, lines of demarcation. I don't, I just, I think that I just would like to impart to people

that the Democratic Party is not your friend, but, you know, it's not... One crank saying that on a podcast isn't going to change anything. Yeah, of course, yeah. Well, the other thing, too, is we were kind of talking about this. It seems like, but here's what I don't understand. It's like the Democrats for 25 years now have been incredibly adept at basically using Republican infrastructure toward a nicer more palatable aim with the public. You know what I mean? Like Barack Obama had a mandate.

He could have easily shut down the NSA. He could have, you know, put the kibosh on the Patriot Act, all that stuff. But he didn't. I mean, they used it to expand surveillance of American citizens. and all this other stuff. Deportations. Deportations, yeah. Unless we forget about deportations.

Yeah, the dreamer president and also record deportations. But you could also see a world where, like, if the Alyssa Slotkins of the world or the new face of the Democratic Party that ice is not going to go anywhere, for example, they'll just be more respectable. You know what I mean? They'll do that kind of stuff. Those are the kinds of demands that we need to make, like, of the Zorons of the world, burnies of the world, you know, the people like that.

that, that if they insist on state in this Democratic Party, they have to sort of completely reform it. But as we talked about, Terence, this week, what's the, what's the value add there? If the Democratic brand is shot, it's in the fucking toilet. The leadership is, like, ineffectual at best, but, like, is just completely, you know, we've talked about several times. Akeem Jeffrey's getting 58 views on his, like, little here's what we're doing kind of shit. know what I mean like what is the value proposition of trying to function within that party is it just because you think that Americans can only conceive of politics as a two-party system it is my opinion that if you know if they were to start a labor-oriented party that people

would flake off from Democrats and droves and you could just finally put the nail in that but it also seems like they're showing a willingness to caucus with people like Abigail Spanbarger, Lisa Slotkin, and Mickey Sherrill and all these people that were the beneficiaries of the blue wave that we saw a couple days ago. And I don't know. I'm not persuaded one way or the other. I think, you know, that like the point of politics is to make things better. So like, you know, again, maybe there is like some near-term upshot in terms of getting

some of these social democratic goodies that we all want. we all support and that's why we continue to support Zoran, support Bernie and whatever in terms of electorally. But what's the long term? Like while they have the juice, it seems like it would behoove them to like start, you know, thinking about a split or siphoning away of people from the Democratic Party. Just not for any other reason other than it just provides no benefit anymore. There's no upshot to staying there.

you know i guess the thing is with ziron i don't think ziron would have won if he hadn't run in the democratic primary so that's true yeah maybe it's like a case-by-case thing but i think that like that kind of seems that seems right like it being a case-by-case thing right like you run like they ran the like mom-dani equivalent like the upstart democratic socialist in the minneapolis mayoral election right and put like and then just decided to yank that guy off the stage with a cane yeah and well he lost by six percent i think he ran in the democratic i think he ran in the farmer labor party didn't he oh right right right he lost to the democrat that's right that's right you know so like maybe there is a s'mali american dude that like won the primary and then

the democrats just said nope we're not going to run him ohmar fatah yeah yeah yeah yeah That's who I mean, sorry. You know, so it's like, yeah, the case-by-case thing, it's like, okay, you were within 6%. Is that something? Like, you didn't win, but like, maybe you start to see these sort of peripheral battles. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, and again, I mean, to just counter what I've just said, I mean, politics is not horseshoes and hand grenades.

I mean, almost doesn't win you a lot other than a moral victory of sorts, which doesn't account for anything in terms of people's material needs. but it just seems like, you know, like Terrence was telling me about, like, this week about, and maybe you can speak a little bit more of that, Terrence, about there was a compelling case to stay with the Democrats with John L. Lewis and stuff back in the day. But I feel like that case is less compelling nowadays. It is weird, yeah. I mean, in the 30s, throughout the course of American history, there's been moments where people have demanded a farmer labor along.

of a labor party that would, you know, basically be similar to the labor party in Great Britain. Historically, not the current labor party. No, yeah. No. And in the 30s, like, once again, that that specter arose, right? Like, people, because you had this upswell in labor activism and solidarity, in the 30s, mostly as a result of the CIO, of the Congress of Industrial Organizations.

And the, you know, there was a lot of pressure and there was a lot of demand for this Farmer Labor Party in the 30s. And you can make a pretty compelling case for doing it. But at the same time, and, you know, I'm reading this biography of John L. Lewis, you can also understand why they didn't want to do it um and that was ultimately what they decided to do right like they ultimately decided to stay within the democratic coalition and eventually fold labor into the democratic coalition rather than split it off into its own and the reason why and again i mean i can't really i don't really know if i would have done things differently right i don't didn't live in the 30s it's hard to say but like the reason why was because like the democratic

party was finally breaking from its past both like the wilsonian demoniac Democratic past and like the Southern Democratic past so much so that John L. Lewis was a lifelong Republican. He was a fucking member of the Republican Party. And, um, and, but like, they finally saw something within the FDR, New Deal coalition that was both new and I guess you could say revolutionary. Um, and that was the reason why they ultimately decided to stay within that coalition. Um, and again, that's a pretty, again, We can debate about whether that was good for history or not, but whatever, that's the decision they made. I don't really think you can make the same case now.

Like, why stay in it now? Like, it's not even... But I think ultimately, at the end of the day, I think why they choose to stay in it now, there's several different reasons. We were talking about this yesterday. One is that, like, the funders for a lot of democratic causes are themselves fairly progressive. like they allowed themselves to kind of be pulled towards the right through the Clinton years because yeah uh their prices of their homes were going up yeah it was it was good times in America so it's like if it's working for asset holders then like fine like we'll go along with it but like on paper they stayed pretty progressive um so like the funders and then the administrative professional class that actually like does the everyday work of administering a party and a government like these are all the same people. A lot of the people is Iran's. Yeah, exactly, the apparatchiks.

Like, that's another compelling case for staying within that coalition. But ultimately, I think, ideologically, I genuinely think the reason why they don't split off into their own thing is because they can't get around the, they cannot get around the massive mental obstacle of the empire. They can't really, like, flesh out a stance on it. You know what I'm saying? It's like why Bernie is anti-immigration and why he, like, praised Trump's. stance on immigration. And it's why Zoran can't fully come out as anti-Zionist. It's like

if you're going to stay within the Democratic Coalition, you have to, at the end of the day, reaffirm the basic tenets of imperial governance and reproduction. So it's like, I don't know, Zoran can criticize it.

And at first, like when he first started coming out, I thought that was the main utility of him regardless of his other stances. is like someone's got to break the seal on actually criticizing Israel, not just its practices, but its right to exist. And it seemed like he was doing that. It seems like in recent weeks and months he's tempered that message. And I think that's just a result of being in the Democratic Coalition.

Like you're not going to continue to exist in the Democratic Coalition if you cannot break with some of its core tenets, one of which is that immigrants are human beings and you know what I mean and that like we our border regime is even just like let's set aside the moral argument

like it's also just self-destructive for Americans in general to live under a military regime look at ice look at what's doing they're writing fucking daycares and shit you know what I'm saying so like it's not even a moral case it's like we're all going to end up in fucking camps eventually if this continues but like second

the second tenant is the Israel question And again, no one can break with that. And so I think that's why they stay within the Democratic Coalition. Like to break with those things would mean you're outside of that. Yeah, I do think, though, like there was a, I listened to Democracy Now, I think, yesterday. And they were doing some really fun, like, man on the street reporting, like, from the Zoron, the party. Like, the victory party, again, need to know the pinball score. But, you know, they did have like Jewish voices for peace there.

And it seems like the coalition in terms of like who he actually had on the ground reinforced a lot of that early messaging in terms of that political alignment. So, you know, is it showing a level of political pragmatism maybe in terms of tamping down the messaging on kind of a larger scale while knowing. you know again you gotta do it right to put the positive spin on it I suppose because this is a positive podcast right

but from his standpoint you have to do it yeah genuinely like you have to if we're talking about like pragmatism or governing like that's just like America's institutions are predicated on Israel's right to exist like that is a fundamental non-negotiable tenant you're

your electoral up upside is not great without like at least some task and acceptance of that yeah right like i also just wonder if you know again uh new york city an urban kind of environment or whatever but like who's going to be the person that um sort of threads the like it men maybe there's no one but uh is there someone who can thread that sort of like social credit like farmer labor thing that you were talking about in sort of a modern way, even if that just means, hey,

USAID was a good idea. Let's try and recover some of that soft power by folding in the farmer kind of rural thing. It seems like the Kamala campaign was gesturing toward that with Tim Walts a little bit,

like just in the most shallow way, of course. And like, well, but they can't now because farmers, there's two, kinds of farmers. One is the large, well, it goes, there's three, right? There's the massive like factory farm. Monsanto, yeah, factory farms. And then there's the sort of like small proprietor middle class farmer that are obviously disappearing more and more and which don't have any real

class alignment with laborers like they did in the 30s. That's true. Yeah, like farmers tend to, yeah, A lot of these people with the political clout tend to be wealthy farmers that have inherited generationally. Yeah, or they own their own means of production. Yeah. Or the bank does. Or they have a couple of goats on their property

and they use that to get the tax right off. Yeah. Being a farm. Yeah. Right. And then the third type of farmer, which is subsidiary to the first, which is just like our racialized underclass

of laborers who we bring in through the border and so it's like that kind of thing yeah that's a big in ontario the tomato one is a big one yeah so that's what i'm saying like the democrats they don't um i don't know like they're they i guess like because they've inherited the american populist tradition of like uh you know what they think is like a rough hewn uh noble deserving subject of of the american and dream, whatever, is not like a brown laborer from Latin America. Like, they don't have a coherent stance on immigrants and on those communities. I don't know.

It's weird. Tom and I were talking about this yesterday. It does seem like, and I will say this, like, by the way, when I say this, I'm not, like, shitting on anything. If I lived in New York, I would have voted for Zoron. Yeah, 100%. Would have Canvas for him all this stuff. Like, I support it.

But I'm, um, and I also say this is a compliment to him. There is a massive difference between him and the regular, uh, Tom and I have toyed around with this idea of doing like a series on like failed democratic insurgic candidates. The elephant graveyard of, uh, insurgic candidates. Randy Bryce, Richard O'Don. Richard O'Heda, Randy Bryce, right? Like in that fucking grand platinum guy is another, maybe he'll win. Who fuck knows?

I don't really care. Um, John Fetterman is in that. too, by the way. It's just like they're all the same type of person, like rough white man works with his hands, blah, blah, blah. And they're all like plucked out from focus groups,

like justice Democrats will do it or labor groups will do it. Like the story of Graham Platner is that like some justice Democrats were like traveling Maine trying to find the perfect type of person to run. Yeah, where's our guy? Yeah. And so it's like Zeron is different from that. He's a rebuke of all

that. He's also part a group though that is ostensibly could hold him accountable or comes from like sort of like grassers groups and not talking about like DSA so it's like he's behold into that group he's got a constituency it's sort of more reminiscent of maybe old boss style politics yeah i mean it's it seems it seems even just in like looking at like social media of people who supported the campaign or worked for it um or you know supported it broadly that one of the things they are most looking forward to is, A, they're like, yeah, we're going to celebrate the victory, and then we're going to get to work with a guy that we

know can be a champion and both trying to move forward that agenda and also holding him to account. Right? So it's like, I mean, if you're going to be doing electoral politics and it's under the banner of like a democratic party or you know in canada an nDP and again and not many wins for the nDP up here but like that is sort of a best case scenario yeah feels like right now yeah for sure i mean i don't yeah i mean i don't really i think it's like uh i think it's good yeah look it's certain it could have been fucking andrew quomo you know like yeah yeah yeah yeah Well, I mean, also, I mean, it's just, that's, you know, that's selling us short. I mean, I hope that, you know, he's able to make things come together in terms of the program.

He's presented and everything, too. But my only critique is that Kentucky should have been able to be involved in the process. Yeah. Oh, yeah, definitely. Yeah, for sure. We should have been able to vote. So, yeah. Insane levels of voter repression.

Well, you know, Paul Krugman says we subsidize, or I'm sorry. New York subsidizes us. They subs, like, blue states subsidize the red states. So in that sense, like, we should be able to have a say here. That's so insult to me. That's so insult to me. Like, what fuck do you call, like, mine and all the goddamn coal?

Like, we subsidize all these motherfuckers, too, you know what I mean? I mean, like, the, isn't there? Where's your Ford battery plant? Hmm? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Which, by the way, I have to say, very, very thankful that the Ford plant in Louisville was missed when that plane went down. God, that was nuts.

Jesus, dude, yeah. Not to hard pivot, but, you know, I just, that was kind of a wild parallel thing to be watching as the Zoron results were coming in. As the Zoron returns were coming in. Yeah, yeah, it's crazy. It's like, also, too, I wonder. how much of that and I guess it's still an ongoing thing and like now they're reporting fatalities and everything too but like how much of that is tied up in you know the air traffic controllers

you know not having enough of that kind of thing you know yeah it's it's definitely uh it doesn't it doesn't feel good to have seen that you know like announcement come off the heels of that that that, you know, they're, all these air traffic controllers have been working over time and, uh, that they're going to reduce. Four hour TSA whites in Houston. Yeah. Yeah. Um, but it seems, sorry, go ahead, Terrence. No, you go ahead. See, sorry. It just seems like maybe there was like a mechanical or maintenance thing with that plane. That's what it's, that's, that what's what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what I've read and what we've seen, you know, like my sister-in-law was in the shelter-in-place

zone at the beginning of that before they reduced it. It was like a five miles of Louisville airport. So it was pretty harrowing. It was really kind of a intense day. Yeah. Well, it's weird. There's a lot of weird things. Dick Cheney also died. Yeah, that was the first thing I heard that morning. Oh, crazy day. And then Nancy Pelosi, I guess this happened yesterday. She died. Wait, what? Yeah. Well, when it came across my Apple thing, I was like, oh, shit.

Hell yeah, she dies. She's just retiring. I mean, it's, um, back to the election results, though, the results from Virginia were pretty insane. I mean, it's like in all these districts where Kamala ate shit, like Spanberger and that Jay Jones guy basically cleaned up. I mean, if, you know, granted, it's November 2025, but if the trend holds, if Trump keeps doing 1,000% tariffs on everything that comes into the country, if they keep rounding up.

What 2.0 is going to. Dude, we live in truly bizarre times because I saw this TikTok going around like a week ago that was like, that was like, ICE is now in the suburbs and they're taking like lawn workers and stuff. at, like, that's abhorrent, absolutely fucked up. But, like, with that example, you see that we aren't really in a pre-Civil War situation, because if we were, like, the pre-Civil War situation would have been, like,

oh, they're taking the slaves and just deporting them from the country. Like, we're so racist right now that it's like they're not even keeping the racialized worker hierarchy in place. You know what I'm saying? Like, they're going after rich. spot their face. Yeah, right, exactly. Like, they're going after rich people's, like,

underpaid, basically slave workers. I mean, they, there was a, I think of, it was in Chicago, but of like, uh, the ice people were in a Jeep grand wagon year, which is fucking wild. But, uh, basically did a hit and run on someone that they were trying to pick up.

And that person was in a Mercedes. Yeah, I think, I think what, yeah, yeah. I think what, we're saying, or at least what I'm saying here, is that, like, if you get to that point, I can easily see suburban wine moms, upper middle class people, all these people being like, yeah, I'm woke now.

I can easily see them being like, all right, we need New Deal 2.0. I'm going to have to lift a finger to do some yard work. Oh, hell no. Yeah. Yeah. We're going to confiscate the gold now. Yeah. I don't know.

I mean, maybe, maybe our death drive will, you know, allow us to keep cutting our nose off to spider phase and blowing our own brains out on live TV. But I don't know, man. I just, who knows? I think the American electorate, what I've found since 2016, is the American electorate is so arrogant. Like, it thinks it can control for everything. and like basically like steer the ship out of the nosedive and maybe it can I don't know but I'm once again as a cranky communist I don't really like I'm not really interested in radicalizing the libs anymore like

we tried to do that the first five six years of this show and didn't made fools of obviously have not succeeded every year we've done this show the things keep getting words of words so clearly we're not doing anything any good there so um i don't know who knows yeah it's uh i mean it's just it's just weird you just got to be chill and just keep letting things hey go the direction they're going man i mean you know as much as uh we can control and and help in our communities you know i think that's been the thing that for me that i've been trying to hold on to you know whether that's like the shows that we've been playing and being able to like foster communities of you know

like minded people queer people whoever you know people who feel like whatever's going on in the u.s doesn't represent them and who they are that's been that's been where i've been finding some of the saving grace yeah so everything will be fine i think that's the i think that's the now see there's that dad optimism there's that dad positivity right there. I mean, what are you going to do? I mean,

it's, what I've learned is that you can do anything you want to control for X, Y, and T factors, but a lot of times

things are just going to take their own course, so, we have so much, we have so much, all we can do is put our thumbs on it as much as we can.

Try to, yeah, we have a lot less control than we think we do. But, except in politics, I guess. You can change things, guys.

You have to be the change you want to see, okay? You can spread measles if you truly want to. If you build really good furniture. Man, I'm sleep-deprived and I've regretted everything I've said over the last 30 minutes, but I'm not editing the episodes right now, so I'm not going to get to edit out any of the dumb shit I said. So that's a real bummer. I'm now regretting everything I just said.

That's all. I don't, I don't think, I think you can both be excited and hopeful for what a Mamdani win can show the like electorate or the body politic while also maintaining like skepticism or an understanding. And I think again, this is, this is what for me was the most encouraging thing listening to some of the people who worked on that campaign. You know, they're like, yeah, there is an accountability that we are going to have to have because. It could go, it could go south. It could not work. It could be a failure. Who knows, right? But like, I'm happy to, I'm happy to, I feel like we're all mature enough here to have two things in our heads at one time. You know, you can be happy about the mom, Donnie Wynn and also be skeptical that anything could change. Because we've taken a lot of ills over the years.

Yeah. It's not how to hate. It's out of L's. Yeah. We just, yeah, you're right. Taking so many Ls that it's like you just hesitate to get inside of the reason. But I mean, it's different. Again, this is different from, and like we interviewed the Portland DSA people.

Like these two things are different than Bernie. AOC kind of, I guess she kind of came out of DSA, but it seems like the relationship was pretty tenuous. And at the end of the day, she was kind of voluntarist. um you can make a distinction between like voluntarist candidates who just like take it upon themselves like mr smith goes to washington like i'm gonna fucking blah blah blah step up and in like what they're doing in portland and zoran and everything where like you've got concentrated intentional um coordination from multiple people and constituencies and groups making collective decisions about how to change these things that's why at the end of the day like i'm sorry

but I'm just not into Grand Platner I'm not into that shit I just don't like I'm not into like people who are just like I'm gonna change it all more than I say I well yeah that's how you get a fetterman right exactly rather

I think you're identifying solidarity right that's what bore a successful campaign yeah well that's another thing yeah with Zoron's thing Zoron you know to his credit

constantly lifting up people around them too you know what I mean And every time I see him doing something, he's pulling somebody into the frame saying this is actually the person that was, you know what I mean, that kind of thing, which differs from some of these, yeah, these volunteerist campaigns where it seems like, you know, there is a focus on an individual, you know. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, that means it's good and we should support it. But I got to go because I got to go hang out with my child. These are critical thoughts.

Yeah. yeah well look we ended it on basically in a positive place i like that this is that's good positive podcast that's why it's a positive podcast steve if you like what you've heard feel free to positively uh bless our coffers over at patreon dot com slash true billy workers party where for five dollars a month you get an extra bonus episode every week and not only that the living god jehovah will bless you for your largesse uh any parting thoughts boy boys. Well, I know it's past Halloween,

but you can go watch your Halloween special. Yeah, if you're of the Every Day is Halloween, Ben, I'll post a, we worked very hard and we're very proud of the... It's great.

We busted ass on that thing. We busted ass on that thing. We had a great team around us who... People better go watch it. I do have a question, Terence. How many takes, when you were given your interview

as the reformed Satanist, how many takes? Like, did you break? How did was this your acting debut That was my acting debut That was all improv, baby I like it That whole thing

They were just in there Just Yeah They would Well no Tom and them did You guys did feed me lines Occasionally

Yeah you took it With it though man That was good I mean honestly What Terrence is having A hard time Reverend his head around Is that he's a Thespian

A renaissance man Yeah Oh no I fully accept it Now the audience needs to accept it. People are like, where are you going to pivot the video? We did it, motherfucker. Go watch the goddamn video. So we'll put that in the show notes as well. And also go check out Pup the band where Steve plays guitar. Steve, somehow not done for the year. Where are y'all getting out again? We'll be out in Canada starting later this year. And we're already starting. We're

already starting to announce festival dates next year and, uh, you know, we're busy. There'll be some holiday merch drops, you know, all kinds of stuff. Busy. Hell yeah. Busy, busy. So go check at it. Where can they go? Where can they go? No, that's, sorry, sorry, sorry. That's pup the band.com. Pup the band on all the social media. You can find me at Slad Cow and the various, uh, social media too. Thanks for being with us yet again, my man. And Terrence, thanks for popping in. Uh, you know, you said you're going to be on leave but you know you can't keep a good man down yeah what a treat every time he tries to get out they pull him right back this is not a multi-million dollar operation yeah i still got a hustle every now and then you know keep the um coffers

that's right give the people what they want that's all you're doing just just what the uh is that an isley brothers track i don't remember the o j's the o j's give the people what they want well thanks again fellas and thanks again for being with us guys we'll see you monday on the patreon adios