Trillbilly Worker's Party - Episode 422: Bargain Bin Futures

Episode Date: December 11, 2025

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...hehran... ...a... I wanted to ask you about something before we get really into the meat and potatoes of today's discussion, which is, you might have guessed, probably be pretty fluid, but there's an uncomfortable thing nobody wants to talk about, but me and the buddy of mine were talking about this yesterday. And it's a weird, sometimes unspoken part about a young man's sexual development. but did you ever end up doing some quasi gay shit with your friends when you were like real young I don't mean like circle jerking I mean like but I can recall many living rooms of like

I've found myself in as a young man jerking off underneath a blanket with like six other dudes all with their own individual blankets like at sleepovers and stuff do you god imagine being the mom I'm tired of living in the shadows, Terry. I've jerked off in a room full of my friends before. Well, that's like, I think that's pretty common. I remember the first time it happened, we were watching Madonna's sex. Remember that?

I think this is my first. I think you've confused your first sexual experience with my first sexual experience. Oh, I think we probably had the same first sexual experience. There's no way we, this coincidentally got our first boners from Madonna. When she had the cone titties, man. Yeah, I'm telling you.

That is mine. I told you that. And I think you have internalized it as your own. I've not reckoned my memory. I've not reckoned my memory. You wrecked on your memory to be my first sexual experience. Hold on a second. Let me tell you about this, though.

Okay. This happens with people, by the way. If you spend enough time with a person like you just swap memories. No, no, no, no, no. It wasn't, but your first experience was Madonna. sex. My first time blowing a dry nut was with a

VHS super cut that included a part of Madonna's sex, like the live performance of it. Oh, it's like a clips. With other pornographic things. Now, I know yours, but I just, I'm talking about the first time I was like, whoa, when you had like an

orgasm sensation, but you didn't bust a nut. Yeah, I mean, I get, to be fair, that was not, that was just the first boner i had i think the first night i had was like um so there's where the confusion comes in my first boner was edward scissor hands where the hairdresser throws himself at him your first boner was madonna sex where my first orgasm was madonna sex it's because you're slightly older than me just like two years older than me yeah that's right i was busting when you couldn't even

Bussy Dude, imagine being the mom of the kid who has that sleepover You have to wash six blankets with like Awful, 12 year old Awful, and then you get like an inside peak at like your friend's parent sexuality Because like your butt, like did you ever have friends Who's like dads just had like playboys and shit

Like in the bathroom? Oh yeah Like that's a weird That's kind of weird for nowadays. Like, could you imagine, like, going to, like, a friend's, not that you would be doing this at 37 or me at 40, but, like, wouldn't it be weird to just, like, go to a house, like, visit a house and you go to the bathroom and take a piss and there's just a stack of, like, teddy magazines right beside the toilet? Mm-hmm. It just kind of feels a little uncouth. I don't know.

In today's age, like, physical media, we need to be hoarding as much physical media as possible. that's true it's like i'm not i don't have those there because i'm a pervert sign i have those there because i'm fighting the encroaching tide of digital media and by extension all the social media apps this is uh exercising ludism in a way yeah like the physical media thing extends also to pornography that's right that's right anyway the way we got on the subject is the way you got on this subject not okay i've said well you're you're not ready to confront some hard truths I see this morning. But I was talking to my buddy yesterday and he was like, yeah, man, when everybody was making

fun of J.D. Vance for fucking a couch, he's like, I didn't think that was weird. He's like, I was hunching couches with my buddies at like age 12, you know? He's like, I fucked a couch. And I was like, now is it weird to be doing it at, you know, J.D.'s age, sure, but like at 12, it's a normal thing. You just like hunch stuff a lot when you're 12. you forget how unconscionably horny you are at that age yeah

I mean I've been kind of trying to read I had a really funny experience in the immediate postpartum period where I was like trying to read Freud because I like I found this British you're reading the pervert Freud I was trying to understand it

because like I was reading Adam Phillips who's like a British cycle analyst and I was like, man, this stuff is like, oh, this makes a lot of sense. Like, this really resonates with me. So I was like, I'm going to go back to the basics. I'm going to go back to the beginning. Phillips have anything to say about fucking couches?

I've not come across that yet. Or like, why you just like to rub your shit on stuff when you're like 11? I don't think, I don't really remember rubbing my shit on stuff. Really? You were stunted. Yeah, I don't know, man. I'm like, I'm actually, I'm hesitant to even talk about it now on the program.

My whole worldview has changed, and I don't want to talk about my six. Okay, okay, well, that's fine. The day that I saw, Aaron, and you try to bring that up for me, I'll be like, nah, man, I think I'm just like, I think I've moved past, like, you know. I think I'm normal, and I've always been normal, and I've never done anything weird. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, no, I'm just kidding. Yeah, we do, we, kids do that stuff.

Yeah, I mean, I did that stuff, sure. Well, you had buddies that, like, now you understand that it was, like, sort of late in homosexuality. But, like, I remember specific, I was telling my butt when we were having this discussion, I was like, yeah, I had, like, there was, like, older boys that would say shit, like, and they were, what they were trying to do was try to, like, gauge your amenableness to trying some gay shit out,

you know what I mean? And they'd be like, yeah, yeah, yeah, man, It's just like about getting off. Like, it doesn't matter if like a girl does it or like, you know, like we do it. And they try to float that as like norm. The British have the boarding schools. Like, that's where the young men is, the young boys. The young boys played out in boarding schools.

American young boys have. Sleepovers. Basements, din, sleepovers, and alleyways. Tense. Yeah, yeah, right. Like, we didn't have, we don't have like the formal rigidity and structure of the boarding school experience. Some would argue sexual assault.

Yes, yeah, that's more of what we have, for sure. Well, the reason this came up is I was talking with another friend. Yeah, how did this come up? Well, the reason why I'm thinking of my own childhood sexuality so much is I talked to another friend who's a therapist and somebody that works with her had a son who got caught performing a sex act with a girl of his same age at school. I guess not understanding that now we live in a surveillance society and you can't pull that off

like you could in 97 you know I hesitate to even ask where in school because it really makes it different like if they've got cameras in the bathrooms at this point no in a back

it was in like a hallway where nobody was at kind of a I think what they had done is they had said oh nobody's ever in this hallway and not knowing there's like five cameras there

you know what I mean not knowing those little those little orbs in the ceiling are cameras, you know. Damn. I mean, you kind of got to hand it to kids that, like, they're not, they have abolished the cop in their minds. They're like, they still don't give a fuck. They're like, they, they, the thought that a camera might be there did not, like,

cross their minds. Yeah. Well, and then we were talking about, like, you know, because of revenge, porn laws and all that kind of stuff, like how sometimes you have, like, kids will share, like, which you should never, obviously share a new. image of anybody received but whatever but like they were talking about like the person that they worked with was afraid their son would have to register as a sex offender like because they checked his phone and he hadn't shared like he had received like photos from the girl before but like

he didn't share them with his buddies or anything or whatever and so they just kind of her and the other mom just kind of called that a you know offsetting pen offsetting penalties you know and so And so, but like, we were kind of talking about like, you just do like a lot of very dumb things. Like I, like I used to call sex lines, which for younger listeners, be like you call the 1,900 numbers and they'd charge you like $3 a minute. And you would always undershoot how long you'd been on there. And then like your mom would get a phone bill and there would just be like a random $60 charge, you know? And, you know, you grow up a family about mine, that's not something's going to fly under the radar, you know what I mean? and you spend all month worried about that phone bill coming in

and you think if you can just intercept the phone bill before it gets there, then you'll never have to worry about facing the music for that, you know? Yeah, because you don't understand money at that age, really. No. You don't understand, like, you know that it's a thing, but, like, you don't understand, like, you can't just sweep some things under the rug.

Right. But then we were talking about, like, like, doesn't seem a little harsh to, like, make... You know, I get, like, I get what it's trying to prevent as, like, you know, the spreading of, like, nude images of underage kids around, and I get that. But, like, if it's, like, two kids in high school doing that, like, technically under 18, is it fair for one or both parties to have to register as a sex offender if that were to have? You know what I mean?

It seems an offsetting penalty, you know, assuming that it wasn't shared around with 12, like, dickhead 13-year-olds. I get that. That's a problem. You know what I mean? Dude, I remember in high school when I was in 10th grade, this girl, I don't remember, I'm not going to say her name, but she sent me a picture of her today's. See, this is the difference for me and you, that that few years age gap, I was, I was too, I was too old for that.

It was over MSN Messenger, and it took like eight hours to download. It, like, it was like finally finished at like four in the morning. Did you wait patiently? Like, you were making like pots of coffee to stay up. My teeth are chattering into it. You just like walk back and check up the progress. But I remember the next day at school, she acted like she didn't even know me. She pretended like she.

I was like, what? That's how it goes, dude. I had a full-fledged girlfriend that I'd talk to every night on the phone when we get to school in front of each other. we'd act like we were strangers. But like at night it'd be like, I love you, baby. I love you, baby. Yeah.

I guess all the seeds for our current social media parallel reality were there all along. We're planted early, yeah. They were planted early. This is dark, but... Yeah, I didn't mean to make this a treatise

on, you know, childhood sexual development of which I am not qualified to speak. I'm only speaking from my own experience and having gotten some representative samples from a couple of couch fuckers and some bedhunters that, you know, you just do some weird things at that age, you know what I mean?

And now, like, now it's just a scarier proposition because you're really fucking stupid, but you also have, like, all the technology and social media and stuff, you know? Like, you could ruin your life easily, like doing nothing, yeah. They made a whole comedy,

like, buddy comedy movie out of this concept, American pie Like sticking your dick in a pie In an apple pie Yeah Yeah, it's not a novel thing I just think You know, we just don't

We don't talk about it enough How you just do some like weird stuff Well, I don't know if kids are I wouldn't even know how to know this But obviously like They say kids are having less sex these days Well, not just kids But anyone under the age of like 25

Or some shit And 40 and under Actually 40 and under Let's just say 60 and under Just to be safe 100 and under He's having less 6th Yeah 100 and under

Well I don't know I saw that like Japan had like In all of 2025 So far it's had like 615,000 births It's crazy It's like They're having renaissance No I mean like that's a very

That's a low number. That's an insanely low number. Oh, well, yeah, I gotta think. Tokyo's like the most densely populated city in the world, I think, or one of. The country has 125 million people, and they had almost, they had just over half a million. That's crazy for, like, basically a place that was a hermit kingdom for the longest time, you know. And it's very small and mostly an archipelago. The show, Shogun, it explains all this.

Yeah, they talk about it in here. I talked about it on that. This is really dark, but on this same note, there's this story about this kid from West Virginia who got like sextorted. Are you familiar with this concept? No, but I'm well, keep an open mind. Well, this is very dark.

Oh, this is not going to a funny place. It's not going to a funny place at all. There's this thing called sexstortion where people like text. What they do is they'll comb through someone's social media and learn everything about them and then text them pretending to be someone else so that they'll solicit nudes from them

and then they will send nudes in return. And then basically once they've got the nudes, they'll basically say like, I'm going to publish this and show everybody that you did this. It's like revenge poem essentially. Basically, yeah, unless you give me $500. And this kid, his teenager, he was 15, he killed himself. and that's the kind of shit that is like and I get like I was you know been a little whatever loose

with it but like that is the kind of shit why that stuff is in place to prevent that kind of thing I get that it's like um you think that stuff like I don't know like when I was a kid I didn't have a very like healthy relationship to that kind of thing like you know if you like made out with a girl you've had this like intense guilt or something like that but like you could imagine child how like that is like you think you like think that's just the end of the road for you you know what I mean well I read this article in um well in okay so the story I read about this guy his dad was like these people are cowards like they're a piece of the shit and you know he's he's right are these adults doing this to teens yeah what it is as I read an article about this in the

London Review of Books, it all basically falls under this category of this thing called pig butchering, which is a, it's an, it's a industry, it's literally the third largest industry globally at this point. Like, it makes, like, of all the money and capital earned or whatever, it's like the third largest industry in the world at this point, but it's called pig butering. And it's like, you know those text messages you get where someone's like, hey, how are you? and it tries to basically engage you in conversation and then lead you to a point where it's going to try to solicit money from you.

The sex-stortion thing kind of falls under the same category. But the people that send those text messages, those are real people. And quite often, they are literally slaves in like Malaysia and Cambodia and Thailand and shit. Like they're literally like held in slave conditions like their entire lives and families are held hostage and they're like the property of the owner of these people

who have them in factories and they basically they're at gunpoint to be there that's going darker than I could even imagine yeah Jesus fucking Christ I you're talking about like the depravity of the digital age well it's just really it's sad because it's like it's you know obviously it fucks up this kid

his life he's dead now and his family gets fucked up but then like on the other end of it there's literal slaves who are being who were like you know made basically to just perpetrate the crimes yeah dude that is that is insanely dark well it's like dude oh oh that's put me in a very spiritual bad place okay i'm sorry no no no no no no no i i was like would you were like do you want to record today i was like i was like uh measel's outbray in South Carolina Venice war with Venezuela I mean

I have to like I As a matter of principle Like I told myself like I cannot be Duma anymore I'm like I can't do it I'm not gonna be Duma But like how do you not be Dumer in a world That's full of doom

God damn dude Well you know what's crazy though Like the even crazier part about that Like less we sit here in You know The West and talk about like Oh the savagery of those people like how the fuck do you think they got our information it just comes downstream of

american companies trying to get our shit to like sell to us you know what i mean like these fucking scum like doing that shit over there enslaving people and doing that shit to like extort money out of like fucking teenagers and shit dude it's like like there's only three feet of difference from that and like uh put your uh put your telephone number and your email address in here you know what i mean like They just, these fuckers just got like an Excel spreadsheet, you know what I mean? They're just like making these fucking poor people call and text and do shit like that. It sucks because that, it really is hard to like, um, critique the internet without sending it.

It's like, that Dave Rubin guy, you know who he is? He started out as like, unfortunately, yes. Yeah, he was like had this tweet that was like, we need to log off. The real world is offline. Like, there's too much, like, everything online. making funny and it's like yeah this is like true and it's hard to critique it without sounding like that fucking moron like you know what i think that's why they had the idiom uh you know blind squirrels you know finds a nut every once in a while and broken clock right two times about

yeah the thing about like um did you see like there are ways to like stop this though like australia banned social media for teenagers like that's something that society that wants to have a future would do yeah got to give it up for the ozies they were they were cooking there, you know. Or like how the Chinese, like, have guardrails on the internet for everybody, but especially teenagers, you know. There's only a certain

amount of hours in the day you can be on there, apparently. Yeah. Well, I mean, like, on that no, like the New York Times, all right, this is a last dumber thing I'm going to say, and then we're off it, okay? Well, we've got to talk about rabies outbreak still yet, so. Oh, shit, yeah, we got rabies outbreak. So, yeah, let's not make any promises

we can't keep here, okay? Um, yeah, rabies average, but, uh, I'm trying to think of what else I saw that, like, made me kind of spiral. Um, top U.S. lawmakers light a menorah made from Iranian missiles shot down by Israel at the Capitol. Yeah, that's, um, yeah, um, jelly roll says he's able to see color again after eating healthier. So there, that's a good story. Okay, we got to pause. So, like, you can actually reverse colorblindness. That's good news for you. That's true.

You got to reach out to Brother Roll and see what he was consuming that helped him do that. That's true. In the clip, he said that he was, like, Terminator when he would walk into a room, he'd immediately be able to find his Snickers bar. So. That's got to do with color.

I think so. It's like an infrared readout. Like, you can tell there's one in the room. Oh, I see. I say, he was scanning for it like the predator. I'm glad I forgot the Dumer thing I was going to say. There's a story I was going to say. You said there's a Dumer.

Yeah, you jump to jelly rolls, can see color again. That's a, that's a positive story in a way, but with a Dumer aura around it. Oh, I think I, here's what it was. There's a story in the New York Times about, like, why America can't build anything anymore. And, like, obviously, it takes the abundance angle and it says, like, well, we can't build anything

because of red tape and regulations. Like, that's their carnage. And I don't know if that's, is that even true? Has anyone even interrogated if that's true? Like, I suspect, personally, I suspect it's because we're all just depressed and we see no future and we see China lapping us and we're just like, why would we?

Why try? Yeah, it's like, we're all doomers, I guess is what I'm saying. Yeah. This is doomer country. People talk about like Trump country. Like, this domer country, dog. Yeah. Well, it's the wages of worshipping death for many, many years and profit.

And profit and being the merchants of death. I've really got serious about reading that Liliana Doganova book about discounting the future. Oh, yeah. And the overall thesis I'm taking from it is that, like, essentially the ruling class, basically, like, it's not even, like, a matter of, like, they don't see the long-term future of, humanity as like metaphorically worthless like we talk about that right like they just they hate humanity they hate this they see it also as like literally worthless yeah you know like it actually has no it it's some wheels started turning for me about like what is the difference like what is at the root of like all the disparities we have with like the ruling class and us and like porn working people

and so forth and it is time it's our relationship to time I think is the big piece that we don't talk about enough. Like they want there's now, like something I say all the time on this show is like even like to have dignity and retirement, we loan them our money for decades in advance so they can draw the interest and invest in how they want to and all that stuff. And then they break us off a little chunk at the end of it through the magic of compounding interest. That is exactly what it is. They know in a long enough vacuum that the way that they've ordered the world is it's going to die. it's not the world itself as in the physical world unless we took the nukes to it or whatever

but i mean just yeah the order society humankind and they want there's now and they've promised us everything from religion right like the way they've figured out this like we've talking about this it's like why has christianity taken hold with like the evangelical ruling largely evangelical ruling class and it's like because there is something inherent in it to where they can sell us on the idea of the long term. Well, you know, you might toil here for a little bit, but your riches are on the other side, right? It's the same thing with this economic system.

If you just work hard, it's like even like a message that we've internalized as like an inherently positive message really fucks us. You know what I mean? Because all we have is like right now. And they know that. But they've sold us on the idea of later, later, wait. And like we've even view that

of virtue, the long run, you know. But the problem is, is we're all dead in the long run. It is crazy how the, you start to see how like that drive for profit kind of infiltrates every single aspect of society at a certain point. Also, though, to your point about their fixation on they're not really being a future and whatnot. I mean, we've made this point many times, but it's literally why Peter Till is obsessed with the Antichrist

and why so many of them are obsessed with apocalypse and why they've doubled down on Israel as the last final hope of the sort of imperial ordering of the world. I think it's like they've all kind of, I think people misunderstand this. I think during the like 2020, 23, 24 era of this show, people thought we were

apocalyptic would be the word doomsayers yeah doom sayers I think the point was that the ruling class are the apocalyptic tombsayers and they're trying

to bring it about because they have no other well they're of ideas and all ideologies are exhausted obviously but also in line with the doganova book they've revolutionized how management functions, how shareholder dividend paybacks function, how every aspect of

businesses run to the point that there is quite literally structurally no future. Like they basically sucked out all the marrow and meaning and value of the future itself to, you know, valorize the present. Well, I've started to think about this because we've, I mean, we've gambo. and like even the market or the financialization of like our interactions has come up a lot on the last couple weeks so much so that people have accused me of telling the same story over and over again which is not true anyway moving right along hey dude it's all right even if you have even if it was true that's all right that's fine too it's relevant okay I've heard Tom

there are certain stories from Tom that I've heard probably upwards of 150 times and I know you've heard some of my stories of it's if you if you've dated somebody or married to somebody for a long time you're going to hear each other and you just have to act like it's the first time all over again you know what I mean all over again yeah yeah yeah you probably heard 20 different variations on the same story with differing characters yeah whatever but at a certain point you start to think your stories are their stories right at a certain point you start confusing your formative sexual experiences for theirs you know exactly so but I think part of what's afoot with like the rise of the gambling apps and all that kind of stuff is for one they own the infrastructure they own the scaffolding of all those apps and stuff like that they stand to benefit off that but what they're offering is not necessarily what the casino is always offered right it's like you know there's the chance to strike it big or hit it rich or whatever in a nest it what they're offering is basically a chance and that chance is not even

the full experience of experiencing their riches. It is the experience of sort of breaking the loop that they have us tied into, which is the long run. And like all things are going to, it could be better in the long run or whatever. And what it is is it's offering us the experience to experience the now, the rich is now, like that money coming now. Like I remember, and I never thought much about this, but I was thinking about this earlier When I was thinking, this girl I dated in college, her dad was like a local businessman in Ohio.

He, like, owned a chain of, like, local pizza restaurants. And he didn't, like, invest his money in, like, stocks and bonds and all these things that, like, we were talking about last week, like, you know, the bond market kind of handcuffs, you know, public servants and whatever in some ways that are trying to do something. But he didn't invest his money in that stuff. He was, he had a bookie and, like, would take his profits and try to. to bet on sports and stuff long before the apps became day rigor and i was like why like that seems like kind of because everything i'd read to that point i was reading like people like ramit seti and stuff like that like how to get rich slowly and the virtues of like you know mass optimizing personal finance and playing the long game which i'm not saying there's not virtue in that or anything like that

like or that there's not some value in that i shouldn't say virtue but value in that but like that's not the the game that rich people play and he's said he's like well why would i do that and get my money 40 years later when i can just get it now and i think what the part he didn't realize is that you know in a long enough timeline you lose because again you still don't on the scaffolding and the infrastructure like Vegas like whoever is the shadowy figure behind fan duel and kalshi and whatever you know but like it's that mentality of like i got to get mine now i think that's what separates it is the time value like i've also thought about in terms of just my own personal finance trying to figure my own

finances that it's like the time value of money it's like if you ever notice that like if you're like a day late on your bill they want their goddamn money now and with interest and with like whatever but like when there's an error that's in your favor you know they'll send you that within 90 days yeah because they get to hold onto that money for a little bit longer because every little bit they get to hold on to it they make more money off of it I've noticed this even with like our Patreon with like if if somebody like buy something through IOS like we get that money 100 like 120 days later or something like that right you know what I mean it's like they figured out the they figured out how to manage time they are essentially that guy

who is like believes the cavemen were 300 years ago you know what I mean that's who we're dealing with here you know it is it is a huge problem I don't know you're dealing with that really I mean, I don't want to get corny, but, like, Martin Luther King was, like, cooking when he said, like, where it's time to go get our check, you know, it's a J.G. Wentworth song. It's my money and I need cash now. Now, I don't, you know, support what's behind J.G. Wentworth, but the sentiment is true. Like, we should take hours. We need to figure out to take hours now. Well, what is behind J.G. Wentworth? Where is that money? Structured settlements, I guess it's like they, I don't, I don't know exactly how it works, but I guess like you basically borrow against your future or like your retirement or whatever to get your money now to settle debts, you know? So basically that is literally stuff like that is robbing your future, you know, again. These are time thieves, man. That's the difference.

I think that you kind of nailed it with the fact that the speculative economy is, How, I mean, like turning everything into a gambling endeavor or a procedure or practice is sort of how they're squaring the circle of, well, we're going to have mass unemployment due to AI and due to the tariffs and due to mass deportations and all this. And so basically for like the bottom two thirds, or at least definitely the bottom one. one-third of the economy. It's just essentially a coliseum game. It's just like every man for themselves, like betting against every other person and trying to like, yeah, turn differences of opinion into money,

trying to bet on various political or sports outcomes or whatever. And because those people aren't going to have jobs anymore. And so it's basically you're in the informal economy and you're just hoping to get a lucky break out of it you know the the john lanchester article about where where does all the money gone i go back to that all the time because it's like so pressure that was written like 10 years ago almost you sent that to me i think the thing is i guess what i'm driving out here on that note is the there we've had this question for the long time like how do you have mass unemployment how do you have AI and you know potential

league robots filling certain sectors of the economy when this is the mass consumption nation. Like how do you, like, people need to have. It's at odds. Like, how are you robbing people of their resources and at the same time, the whole thing that drives this is us buying cheap shit? Yeah, people need to have wages to be able to buy cheap shit. And I think the point is, is that I think on a long enough timeline, you're going to start to see the gradual, cheapening of the cheap shit to the point that it's like planned obsolescence built into it

within like a week. Like just look at like I was talking with Gracie about this other day like look at like plastics now. Like look at like a PlayStation 1 as opposed to a PlayStation 5 or like a Super Nintendo as opposed to

or even look at like a like a Polaroid camera and like look at like the difference between that and like a Fujimax similar camera like the difference in plastics is different like plastics in the 80s and 90s was thicker it was more durable because we still because we still on some subconscious level even in manufacturing believed in the future and durability and things like that whereas now we believe in planned obsolescence what can we talk about like microplastics like a big reason why microplastics has become such a huge problem in the last like 20 years is because the degradation of polymers and like

planned obsolescence has created a microplastics thing where we all have like a plastic spoons worth of fucking plastic in our brains and in our nuts because basically because the rich people decided that we need to buy a pair of jeans every year instead of every seven years or 10 years right and so I guess the point I'm trying to make is that like the mass consumption aspect of the economy you can just keep pushing it further and further to the margins and turning more of it more of it over to speculation and gambling and whatnot while luxury goods stay not only stable but like that becomes the engine of your GDP growth essentially like luxury goods are and I think that you're starting to see this in every sector of society

I think that even movies will start to become luxury goods you know what I'm saying like they won't be available to poor people anymore like it's they'll all be like that Wu Tang album that Martin Screlly bought the one of one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They made this point on Chapo, but it'll be like going to the opera. It'll start to become a upper class thing.

You know what I'm saying? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that like you're starting, you're just seeing that in every, so like that's how they've squared the circle. Like you can have mass unemployment, low wage growth, you know, automation.

Because the irony is that like, I was reading that John L. Lewis book, um, biography of John L. Lewis, you know, the head of the CIO, head of the UMWA, like a lot of people don't realize that like a lot of the American economy was kind of theorized by John L. Lewis and his right-hand man, I can't remember. He was like an economist as well. But like the novelty of America, as they saw it, wasn't that it was communist, nor that it was purely capitalist. But it could be this secret third thing where because you had high consumption, you could have high consumption, you could have

high wages and high employment. It was a kind of like corporatism. And like that was again, that to John L. Lewis, that was the innovation of America. Like we are the secret third fact. Yeah, we're the mass consumption society.

We love to buy shit. And therefore, because we love to buy shit, we can subsidize our own basic, you know, eternal employment, whatever. And it would be a great irony

that he would be the, he would be the figurehead that would go on to automate the coal industry and then drive, you know, hundreds and thousands of, coal miners out of jobs but um but i think that the that's the point like his personal career in life kind of mirrors that how like that's that on a long enough timeline is also a dream it's a

fantasy it's not real it'll also kind of mirrors the sort of and and maybe this was going on long before this but like that life and career kind of mirrors like the the cannibalizing nature of private equity now like you know how people like actually they've another problem there is we figured out how to make money destroying stuff too you know yeah so it doesn't matter if stuff flourishes or if it's fucking each shit people figured out how to make money off of it well that that's really shown in that article that you sent me that slate article about las Vegas. Right. Yeah. But how like that's that's the trend in Las Vegas that like um the relentless drive to capture more and more surplus and profits from people has made the whole enterprise

kind of pointless. Like the root like the three like the roulette game where they've added two zeros onto the game it makes it virtually impossible to ever make any money on it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just stuff like that. But also. Like, tourism traffic is way down in Vegas, but, like, big ticket sales are up. So, like, football games, the sphere, that kind of stuff. That's what I'm talking about. Like, you have this, you're starting to see this sort of bifurcation and consumer consumption habits where, like, you're basically locked out of certain markets if you make below a certain

amount. And that's not ever going to change because that's just the gradual drift of a society that is, you know, high unemployment, high automation. you know high or low consumption that kind of stuff right like that's what we're starting to see and part and part of what they're selling like on that tip of like experiences is I think kind of tied into the idea of like why the you see the proliferation of the gambling apps and stuff it's like they're trying to sort of sell us like a sliver of the experience of being of means or whatever like you saw the thing you know we're talking about the bifurcation of or big ticket events

is up in places like Vegas and so forth you saw the quote from the ticket master CEO a couple weeks ago where he was said like $800 for bioncé tickets is a bargain like people find it a status symbol to go sit courtside for a Knicks game and like you can do that for like a couple thousand dollars or whatever like they're trying to sell you like you see how like the proliferation of the rise and grind shit you know and all the influencers, the sort of proto influencers that sort of made that a thing, you can see where all that was pointed

to was trying to sort of make us want to keep up with the Joneses and want to like get rich and the fact that like everybody regardless of their station can get rich, which is to some degree true in America, although we know that it's like, you know, an outlier experience and not like just anybody can do that. But...

Well, did... Go ahead. No, no, no, no, no. I just find that interesting that's like now, you know, in the 90s you had like people like Kurt Cobain being disgusted by charging like $50 for a Nirvana ticket or something like that, you know, and now it's like to go see anybody, it's like ridiculously expensive. The thing is, is that people tend to forget in the middle of the 20th century, there was a democratizing impulse. Again, this was the John L. Lewis vision. This is kind of the New Deal paradigm, the

Fordist model there was a democratizing impulse for just bread and circuses like the whole national parks thing and state parks like look at Kentucky Kentucky has X amount of state parks I don't even know the exact number but like 90% of them 95% of them were created with the concept in mind that the average Joe needs to be able to go and take a vacation twice a year or else he'll lose his fucking shit and, like, kill his family or, you know, or have an affair. Chris Ben Walsh shit. Yeah, yeah, or like destabilize the

family structure or whatever. Like, basically, like, there was a premium on keeping the family intact at a certain. There had to be. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then the ways they did that was the commons played into that. That, yeah, that was the whole point. Like, the labor battles of the

early 20th century had been so bloody and contentious that they, needed a stalemate and so basically the stalemate was like the business leaders were like okay like we're not going we're going to finally accept that like look you're not going to have your revolution workers will not own the means of production we voted and decided you guys got to give that up well right right basically like that was the bargain that the bargain was basically like look we realize like the workers do have a lot of power and you're pressing for more and more of it like

dude like in the year like 1935 like I don't know the exact number but the amount of strike hours lost the amount of work hours lost to strikes was phenomenal yeah like the you know and obviously we know this with like bloody harlan and stuff like the extent to which it devolved into just straight up violence in places like eastern kentucky but like the organizing the steel industry and the auto industry like these were um very contentious and violent struggles. And they were becoming so large and powerful that eventually, you know, business had to sit down with people like John L. Lewis and be like, look, all right, we'll give you what you want. You can have higher wages. You can have a stable, you know, work salary for the rest of your career. You can have enough money to buy a home and buy equity into the system and buy the fun

things you want. we'll do state parks, we'll do central planning for things like, you know, you can afford to go to the beach and have a vacation, you can afford to buy a boat every now and then. You see this in that movie Blue Collar we've talked about. People had these things by the time the 70s came around. However, you're going to have to give up revolution. Like, that's not going to happen. We'll give you these things if you bend to us on this whole thing that workers will not have the own the means of production, they'll not run society. And so business and so labor said, okay, that's a fair. deal. We'll take that deal. We'll enter into a stalemate. And that was the stalemate. They stood for 20 years until the 1970s, until business finally put aside a lot of their differences and came together and said, like, why are we bickering between ourselves? Like, let's fucking destroy the workers. Let's destroy labor. Like, we finally have the power to do it. Also, they were kind of pushed in that direction by falling rates of profit, by the cultural contradictions of the counterculture, the 60s, efforts to unionize the public sector, all that stuff.

So it's like, you know, inflation and stagflation of the 70s. They were sort of pushed in that direction as well. But, like, I guess the point I'm trying to make is that the business leaders used to see a use for making available to workers to the average Joe, yeah, things like you can go to Vegas for a weekend. You can go to a state park and have a little house. Yeah, the Myrtle Beach and all this They don't believe that anymore

Like basically their mentality Is like you can We're all we care Die in the fucking gutter We don't give a shit You're replaceable If you're not replaceable by Someone who's even lower paid than you

Well obviously It's not going to be an immigrant anymore Because they want all those people out Either that you're replaceable By someone who's even more lower paid than you Or just a machine Straight up

Just AI because they can eat that at this point. Yeah. A lot of these jobs are kind of like superfluous and they can, I guess they think that they are anyways. I don't know if that's true. I think the jury's still out on whether this bullshit jobs thing that David Graber said is true.

I think a lot of those jobs probably are pretty necessary and they might be shooting themselves in the dick by automating them out of existence. Yeah, I guess the other verdict's still out on that, yeah. The point is, I guess that is in line with what we were talking about, like with the last, Vegas experience. Like part of it is dying because it's becoming a high-end, like a luxury good experience.

It's the $800 Beyonce ticket. It's like, you know, the working class, the poor and working people don't need bread and circuses anymore, right? I mean, they do need him, but like in the minds of the millionaires, it's like, it's a fucking hard bits, you know, it's a hard scrabble competition for who can like get that $800 ticket. Yeah, it's interesting. You know, something I've been thinking about a little bit lately in connection back to the Dogganova book and Jermaine to this conversation is like if they've discounted our future and they actually see the long-term future of humanity is quite literally worthless to them, okay?

Is there a way that we could discount their future? I mean, like there's obviously literally discounting their future, dragging them out of their houses and killing them, although it seems like they have enough. filters between us and them now to make that endeavor a little tougher what with the robot dogs and the way the cops are essentially their brown shirts you know or whatever but is there a way that like we could render and I think this was probably you know at least in some idea the idea of like behind crypto and like all this stuff I guess maybe before like tech took it and interest in that and sort of just like ran it over and everything you know like what i'm saying is like when people were like shorting like game stopping all that kind of stuff and how like the captain's

ventures said whoa and they literally changed the rules of the game in the ninth inning to like make that hard to do you know now i'm not saying that was the aim of everybody in that a lot of it was just like rise and grind you know jake paul fans getting in trying to make some quick money or whatever you know what i mean i'm not saying there's a big political project behind that but i'm saying And is there a way to basically discount their future, to render their fortunes, which are all bookended by vapor now seemingly for the most part? That might not be the case in, you know, when you're talking about a Jeff Bezos or somebody that still largely makes their money like with goods, like tactile things you can touch, you know. But like what the fuck? What the fuck is like a fucking Altman's fortune?

What the fuck is Alex Carp's fortune? vapor. Like, is there a way for us en masse to decide that, like, their billions are not really worth shit? Like, how can we take that out of the market's hands to decide? And just us decide, actually, like, this fortune that you have isn't worth a fucking plug-nickel because we reject what's bookending in. Do you know what I mean? And again, like, that might be a different question for a Musk or a Bezos who, like, you know, I mean, I'm sure much of their fortune is made up a vapor. or two, but at least part of it is bookended by, well, at least in Musk's case, a dramatic

overvaluation of his shitty cars and rockets and stuff. But in Bezos's case is stronger because we all get Amazon shit all the time, you know, or a lot of people, I don't want to say everybody, but a lot of people, a lot of people stuff on Amazon, that kind of thing, you know what I mean? But like, how can we, as a first salvo, take these little fucking tech pussies out of the equation because like what the what the fuck do they actually have like nine dickheads in a room with like uh mit degrees like cool they have a lot of land yeah i guess that's part of it but again they acquired that land with money acquired from vapor you know i don't know i think there's no

way to just like decide abstractly like well their worth their wealth is not worth anything because and then you're getting into like these whole questions of like well who decides what wealth is and how to... Those are big, bigger, bigger pie-in-the-scat questions, I get it. Well, right, but, like, wealth is socially constituted by both history and, you know, actual everyday reproduction. So, I think the thing is, is you have to literally take their wealth. You have to literally take...

Like, in my opinion, that's land. Yeah, yeah. And that's real estate. Because that's it. Like, I don't know, I've been really... I've been thinking through this idea of, like, I don't quite know how to, like, thread this needle, but, like, something, like, I've gotten kind of interested in the whole YIMBY thing.

I didn't have to for the longest time because I was living in Eastern Kentucky where the whole question of NIMBY versus Yimby was not even... It's not, yeah, it looks very different. It was more like, no, it was more like, yes, I will let my backyard deteriorate into rubble. That was, what would that, what would that be? Yes, I will let my back... Yes, I disintegrate into rubble. It was Yulbidere.

Doesn't roll off the tongue, but we'll workshop that a little bit. Yeah, in eastern Kentucky is Yule and Badeer. Yes, I will let my backyard deteriorate into rubble. Yes, I will let dramatic swaths of land shove off into the waterways. Or no, no, I won't. So it was Yulim Badir or Nolim Bidier? No, but the thing is, since I now live in a neighborhood

that is adjacent to a large development project that's become highly contingentious and scandalous, I've kind of started wading into these debates. And I am sort of genuinely astounded by how many Yimbi people there are people that like are just liberal like yumbiism is a huge um tenet of current liberalism is what i've found and um and and you know maybe we need a different name for it or something i don't know because sometimes i wait into these debates and or maybe we can just keep yambi but

they have to put a d or an r beside their name beside that like they do in congress oh yeah yeah NBD, the NBRD, NBR. The direction they're coming at it from? Just so we can understand like your, you know, what future you see for said that? Well, they were trying to build this big development, this big apartment building in my neighborhood, and it engendered a huge backlash. And a bunch of people went to the city council. And I kind of found myself doing the Larry David meme about it, which was surprising. I'm new to all this, okay?

So before people get mad at me and call me a fucking social fascist or an idiot. I may go ahead and stop you right there and just say. I've learned that sometimes podcasting is defending yourself to the semi-literate of much of the world. So don't. Or the two-literate. Or the entirely two-liter. Lit in the literal sense of that. Yeah.

But like. We have a lot of, we have most of you are wonderful, by the way. Well, okay. So they wanted to, they wanted to build. this big apartment complex down here. And I found myself having a knee-jerk response against it, because they wanted to level

multiple city blocks, and already the traffic is really fucking bad down here, and I didn't know how that would be good. But then, obviously, the YIMB people made this argument that, like, well, look, you have two options here.

Either you increase density downtown, or you're going to have to, you're going to be encouraging more sprawl, out into the farm and so forth. Yeah, which is,

you know, I think that's bad as an environmentalist. I don't really want that to happen either. But also, in the case of where we're from is just probably a non-starter because these Tony horse people

are not going to give up that land. You know what I mean? Yeah. Easily. And then, so like, yes, I kind of agree,

or I do agree with greater density in the sense that like, it's probably got to be the way of the future. Maybe, maybe not I mean the birth rate is going down so maybe you don't need greater but like the YMB argument is that like if you build more housing

then that will cause rents to go down but this is one argument that I just kept running into that I just cannot really agree with even though I know this is a heavily fucking contentious thing and people feel very strongly about this and once you weigh into this people get really really

defensive about it yeah but like I we may need to let me weather this copy Opaganda scandal before we go hogg into this, you know. Anyway, carry on. I virtually have not really seen that to be the case because the Zoron, the Zoron election, as I said on the patron on the patronage on Monday, was in my opinion, a referendum on rents. It was a referendum on quote-unquote affordability on inflation, on the fact that rents just keep going up. It's skyrocketing.

And the thing is, is that people say, well, Like, they're not building enough in New York. Well, that is just patently not true. Yeah, New York, that famous real estate desert. Exactly, right, exactly. If that wasn't true, then you wouldn't have people like Donald Trump. The most powerful man in the world currently. They have been building in New York.

And again, people will look at you straight up like you're insane for saying this and like you're lying. And it's like, okay, am I insane? I mean, granted, I'm not a New Yorker. I've been there a few times. but it seems to me just kind of axiomatic that the issue is not the housing like the availability of the housing stock itself but the renter class

trying to squeeze more out of people chopping like chopping units up and like yeah charging you exorbitantly to live in a you know yes what a square footage that a fucking Victorian lawn what you call those guys Victorian lawn

you know hermits what they couldn't live in, yeah. Yeah, and slapping fees onto everything. And it's, you know, I think that, like, it's partially because the housing market is also, like, housing, like, housing, like, the value of housing has been going up and up and up. And I think it's a kind of upward spiral where they know if they can charge more for rent, they can drive up the value of the thing so they can then sell it off. And it's just like this game to them, I guess, is the point. But where I was going, to tie that back to what you were saying a second ago, real estate, people call this like the fire sector, right? Like finance, insurance, and real estate.

Finance has fire, water, and air signs, too? Yes, it does. Interesting. I think, like, people, they call this the fire sector because this is basically, like, the last holdout. the last frontier where you can actually realize any gains like surplus like finance insurance and real estate they're just pure rentier activities right um i think that like where i was going with that is that like the the the capitalist class the political class the captains of industry they are diversified in their uh you know asset portfolios and big parts of those portfolios are just real

estate. It's building, it's land, and to get back to what you were saying a second ago, if you're trying to take back or devalue their own futures, you have to quite literally take possession of

those things that are worth money. This is what we were getting at with, yeah, this is what we were getting at with the episode with Tracy and Leonardo. Yeah. Like, this is, it's like an autonomous tenets movement. You've had to basically take land essentially. Yeah, the tenets movement is the thing to me you know shout out our buddies at the Louisville tenants union but like to me it is

one of those things that I think is like a very crucial inflection point in a useful arena for for not that not that others aren't but I just think that like that is again you know one of those um yeah pivotal choke points in in the whole thing that can really yield some results I think I read this in the Melissa Cooper or Melinda Cooper book Counter Revolution but like Land used to be seen in the Fordist model in the 1950s 60s and 70s land was

not something you wanted to own because it was like a suck on your like it was like a drain on your overhead unless you had like a use for it you know like or whatever yeah I think what you're saying yeah and now it's we're clamoring to it we make country songs about

exactly we make TV shows promoting the virtue of it. Landman and fuck, Yellowstone. This is what you would, there's that line in Yellowstone.

This is what you would buy, what does he say? This is what you would buy if you had all the money in the world or something. Or you couldn't buy it if you had all the money? I forget what it was. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah. But basically the gist was it's beyond value. Right, right, right, right. It has, it's value, it's invaluable. It's so much so that it had to be taken in blood, and that's okay. And there's multiple reasons for that.

Why it is that way. I think a big part of it is, we've talked about it before, but climate change. The, you know, trying to stake out a kind of like fortress polity in a warming world. Like, dude, we're talking about, you know, again, I'm trying not to get Dumer. Like, something that, like, really fucked me up this week was, like, the idea that, um, we're going to see three degrees Celsius increase in the next 20 years. Like, that's a recipe for a planet that's virtually uninhabitable, at least in certain parts of the planet.

And, uh, which again, that's, that's mass migration. People are going to start having to move to Canada where we're all going to be the size of ants. Yeah, that's true. And stuff like that. And French speaking ants are there. yeah so I mean um it's just like you know

land is a very important thing I think that's in so yeah you could if there's anything you could take from this it's that land is it's important yeah but obviously don't get don't do like the volunteerist thing

or the adventurous thing where you just try to get your own little thief them and carve it out for yourself like yeah I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Don't put sharks and moats. Man, I told myself I was going to start being, I was going to stop being

preachy, didactic, and bleeding heart, and Dumer. Those are the four things I was going to stop being. And now look at it. I've done all those fucking things. Well, Tans, here's the thing, is if rabies keeps proliferating, you won't have an opportunity to be didactic, preachy, nor prescriptive.

The U.S. is tracking 14 potential rabies outbreaks in 20 states. Here's what you need to know. You know, to illustrate how insane that is, in a year when we had two rabies outbreaks, that was like insane. Now we've got 14 potential outbreaks in 20 states. And then there was the story last week, which was maybe the case of, I couldn't name anything that was more unlikely that ever happened than this.

But a guy saved a kitten from a skunk, contracted rabies from the skunk in the course of separating the kitten from the skirmish. That guy donates an organ to somebody. No. And then you have the first case, I think the first documented case, or not the first, maybe the first documented case in the United States. I'm not sure. A rabbit organ? there was a rabbit organ and it transmitted rabies to the other person the guy died i'm not sure what the deal with the patient is i don't know i didn't follow up on that but you know once you start

exhibiting symptoms of rabies it's almost a do not pass go do not collect 200 dollars type proposition but an underappreciated data point of how bad things are is that we've had 14 rabies cases since September and I don't know if that's tied to I don't know I've not dug in here to see how many of these cases are canine cases I would assume not many but you know I don't know it's concerning to say the least but you know is it because people are concerned with dog tism they're not getting their dogs vaccinated and then the dogs are more susceptible to infection maybe from skunks they tussle with in the yard or something.

Who's to say? The, I mean, this also comes on the hills of the CDC saying that kids should not get hepatitis B shots anymore. Which means my kid will be one of the last to get them at birth.

She already got her. Getting in under the gun. Yeah, I do. She might be the last hepatitis B shot. She might be, yeah, she might be. Damn, she'll, I mean, that means if her future's not too terribly discounted,

she'll have unreasonable power. yeah well dude think about like it makes sense that like in an era where every aspect of human life has been sacrificed at the altar of profit

and you saw this during COVID it's really wild to look back on it now and it makes total sense why it would completely fall apart in the wake of COVID but it it makes it's in a

in an era and a time when every aspect of human life is sacrificed to human profit, like the concept of public health would eventually erode away into, I guess something you could call private health or privatized health. We're like there is no, since there's no, and again, this is a point we have made a million times, since there's no commons anymore, there's no polity, no public body, and everything is dependent on like what you can be sold. God damn bench with getting an obelisk

up your ass, you know? Yeah, what's that reference? Did you get an obelisk in your ass? No, not again. That won't happen to me again. But I'm just talking about, you know, how we, like, just put these, the hostile architecture, I guess,

what I'm getting out of that. Hostile architecture, right. I guess it would make sense that, like, I don't know if people are doing this consciously and intentionally. I know we've said before it's a mass culling, but sometimes I wonder if they don't,

even realize that like if they're doing that intentionally or if just the the times have led them to this moment where it's like oh this just makes sense i mean like was just uh you know kill off a hundred thousand people through uh whooping cop like whooping cop is um running rampant through kentucky apparently at least three kids have died so far too it was great um and it's just you know it's just you're going to see more and more of this as time goes on like um more measles more whooping cough more rabies all these things it's like there is no notion of a public uh of a polity anymore well when i when i made the public call many years ago that we need to bring the old professions back goat herd thatcher poet you know uh bagel bagel player bugle player those type

things i didn't i didn't also call for the old diseases to come back It's a monkey's paw situation, brother. That is true. You can't have Thatchers and goat herds without rabies and fucking whooping cough. I think a lot about, we talk a lot about capitalism as a system, a system we live under. I wonder if, like, well, I mean, this is a dumb sort of question, but like, are our inputs creating these things? You know, Monica Murphy, who wrote that book Rabid, I think about this, she kind of conceives of it. And I don't want to misrepresent her view on this.

And this might be a gross oversimplification. But an idea that she floats is that rabies is basically nature striking back at man's encroachment into the natural world on their environment, their habitats. You know, you hear these stories about a man beating a rabid raccoon to death with a tire iron. And the thing's head is like three quarters of the way smashed in, but it keeps coming for him. you know what i mean or like there's a story about a bobcat in arizona that basically chased a man on top of a pool table and a bar and get like god his ass you know like that's like it is like the proliferation of those things is it germane to our the inputs that we've done and it's like the natural you know what i'm saying like you know how like cat tails grow in

iron soaked water to draw the iron out of the water you know or like cedar trees grow in certain soil that's like you know either i can't remember if cedar grows in like very wet conditions or very dry conditions but like you know like there's ways in which you can look at the floor and fauna and they reflect about what's going on in the soil and that's that's what we're doing to it as mankind like is can we view the proliferation of rapies as sort of the natural world striking back against probably this time there's probably been no greater encroachment on the natural world than what we're doing right now, so.

Well, it's just... Or is it a spiritual condition, man? It's an opportunity... It's this natural selection, bro. It's... It ain't nothing more to it. Yeah, there ain't nothing more to it, bro. It's just natural selection.

When it sees an opportunity, it takes it. No. I mean, I guess maybe it's not quite fair to lump rabies into the same category as measles, whooping cough, Hep B, because I, I don't know, maybe, or maybe it is, I don't know, maybe I guess we'd have to identify it as a public health crisis, but I think it, like, you can put it into the whole larger framework of, like, there's just a comprehensive failure of our healthcare paradigm that, like, this is, this is because of a lot of, of different things um but honestly it's really mostly because rfk got a real fucked up voice and a haggard look now we all got to pay the price for them yeah but i think that like you don't

even get an rfk if you don't have like the opioid crisis for example right it's like i think that like in the minds of a lot of americans like people are like how do you even have an opioid crisis like you know it's not really up in front to them every day that like you only get something like that through a profit driven system like the sackler's made like 10 billion dollars on oxy cotton in like 10 years like that's a staggering amount of money and something that only happens in a system that's like driven by profit and i think it's like you know it's it's i don't know the way a lot of americans metabolize it is like you know you can't just say that you can't just be like oh it's because of you know the it's because of capitalism

it's because of the biopolitics of this that and the other like they have to put these sort of crazy ideas behind it that it's like liberals blue-haired freaks that are like um trying to change our bodies through like transgenderism or it's the jews doing this at any other you know what i mean like they get these vulgar explanations that like because like we just don't have an apparatus or a framework for understanding that like this is only because of the profit motive then you get people like Robert Kennedy who step into the breach and they think like, oh, this is

this is what it's all about them, what he's saying, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so it's a pretty straightforward story, honestly. It's not really rocket science as to why we've got a breakdown in public health and, like, trust in healthcare in general. Yeah. Well, all I got to say is if there's a just God,

then our secretary of health will be a rabies casualty. Dude, he's really fucking. He's a good candidate for it just based on his behaviors. Yeah, didn't he like kidnap a bear one time or something? Like, yeah, dude, he's just like go swimming and toxic waste and shit. Like, it seems to be the type of shit he'd be on. This puts him at a higher risk of rabies. Anyway.

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Yeah, you can go play the hits, you know. and we'll be put more and more of those up so go check that out any parting thoughts none none well that makes two of us i'm sorry that i've not been reading it easy i've been reading graham green our man in havana that's all my brain can uh can can take in at this moment okay well that's that's good consumption i've been reading and it's taking me like a month it's taken me like a month to read like a 150 page book so well i'm with you i'm reading uh one of terry bison's novell is called talking man right now which is very kentucky centric and i recommend anybody that's not checked out terry bison uh dude yeah you're gonna have to pick up the slack on this program

about like reading and reading recommendations and shit because i'm gonna be averaging a book every six months now uh yeah it's it's i because i can't terris got terran's books of the year our man in Havana and Kill a Mockingburn. Yeah, dude. Well, anyway, go check out Ram Green, Terry Bisson, Patreon.com slash Tribode Workers Party, and watch this space for- Check out the YouTube. Yeah, check out the YouTube. And watch this space, as always, has been the case for Rabies Outbreak Updates.

And, yeah, we'll see you on Monday. Peace. I'm going to be able to be. I'm going to be. You know, Thank you.