Trillbilly Worker's Party - Episode 427: Heaven's Dress Code

Episode Date: January 17, 2026

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I was thinking about a hostage negotiator that's like, he's like a people pleaser hostage negotiator that's like no worries if not. If we don't receive the ransom payment in 24 hours, we're cutting her head off. I'm out of office. We'll circle back on this on Monday and then the guy's just like, damn. Fuck. Damn.

He's figured everything out. He's figured everything out. He knows we're not going to kill her because we need to. is leverage and he's just been he's accidentally very good at it just because he's a circle back, no worries email guy. That's pretty good.

Yeah, we can have the ransom payment to you by noon tomorrow if that's okay with you. Yeah, no worries. Yeah, no worries. Yeah, that's good. Just leave it in the tree, no worries. Yeah. Or like, I was thinking like he's standing outside

with the with the, what do they call that, bullhorn, megaphone? he's like send out the the hostages but no worries if not

but if that's too if you find that too cumbersome we can find another avenue we can circle back and find another way to get this done

that would be good wouldn't you say yeah I think I'd trust a man with a bullhorn and no and commitment

to email politeness. I was thinking about Genghis Khan and how he's... You do that a lot. I think about him sometimes. They were Christian. Did you know that? Did you know the Mongolians?

Were like a weird... Gagas Khan was a Christian. Yeah, they were like a weird hybrid form of Christian. He certainly didn't act like it always. Yeah, well, part of... After the Fourth Ecumenical Council in 451, part of the...

The church split into... like two camps called the Diofysites and the Monophy sites or something like that. Maya Phi sites, it's also a different kind of thing. It's like the interpretation of Jesus was, it basically came down to this. Like, Diophysites believed that Jesus was like when you put oil and water in a cup and they're separated out. The Monophy sites thought that Jesus was like when you put wine and water in a cup and the two mixed together. Because they had to like him. thread some needles

yeah I mean it's like a weird concept right like back then they were like well okay if Jesus was a god like what kind of god was you but if he was also human like what was what were the boundaries what were like how much of a god was he

and the Greeks are over here shaking their head just saying yeah obviously you fucking uncircumcised swine have never heard of a demigod yeah well that was part of say we put this issue to bed a long time ago Oh, okay, smart guys. Well, then tell us what a demigod is.

The irony is like when your god fucks a human chick and they have a baby. Well, yeah, they could, like that concept was obviously pretty, I mean, the whole, there's something called like hypostatic union, which like, when we talked about on the Patreon when we read from the masculinity crisis guy, he, he. he referenced that. I guess he went to seminary school, but he talked about like hypostatic union, which is like, the early Christians had to literally figure out, like, okay, if Jesus was a God

and begat by the Virgin Mary, like, what was the nature of the actual act of procreation? Like, how was... And what they arrived at is that God snapped his fingers and she was with child. some thought that some thought that

some thought that like Jesus was morbid Did some actually think that God and Mary had got down the business? I think it was maybe Did anybody come in there and say guys this is ridiculous

my God we're fighting over this stuff I think it was more like they had to quite literally figure out because they had the rudiments of biology at the time like they understood from the Greeks that like humans were created from the sexual act.

This is why St. Augustine said that all original sin was created from. Every person was born with original sin because they were created from sex. And sex was sinful by its nature, even within the confines of marriage. What was the GM Webb poem of the same name? It's a, I do not believe in original sin. It's just hard to think of anything new. Yeah. Let's let that sit with you, people.

Let that... It was a good poem. A good poem by a good man. It's a good poem. Complicated man. Anyways, they had the rudiments of biology, but they had to, like, quite literally figure out, like, okay, if God wasn't a human, but he was...

Or, I'm sorry, Jesus. If Jesus wasn't just a human, but was also partially a God, like, what are the kind of, like, biologics of how that work, but they didn't have biology. They didn't have genes. They didn't have a framework for any of that stuff. No, they had a rough framework, a rough outline. They understood that like something was passed from parents to children, but they didn't know,

they didn't have, you know, they didn't actually know what DNA was, X, Y chromosome, genes or anything like that. So it's like when I told you before, like when I was a kid, my concept of genes, I was like, why do my brothers look like me? And on my head, I was like, oh, it's because clearly my parents go into the bathroom after I pee and take my pee and they do something. That's what you came up with.

That's what I came up with. Yes. I don't even remember what I came up with. I don't remember thinking my mom was a robot for many years and been freaked out. I thought, like, that she's just going to take her mask off any day and then I would just be stuck in this house with a robot. We've talked about this before, but yeah, little boys, like,

you have these weird anxieties about your mother. Like, I remember a nightmare I had when I was a kid was that my mom got trapped in the refrigerator and I couldn't get her out. Yeah. I'd say that'd be trouble. What does it all mean, though, you know? Uh-huh.

Well, when your kid, like, you could basically say this, what if humanity, the entire story is like that of a child or a human being? Like, the early stages are the funny theory, as you come up with when you're a child. Like, I was, I was telling Gracie last night. Like, I remember when I was a kid being obsessed with the concept of sleep. Like, I was obsessed with the moment at which you cross over from a wake to a sleep.

Like, I was, and every night, I was like, tonight's the night, I'm going to actually remember. Figure out what is that little interstitial thing that happens where I lose consciousness temporary, or not consciousness, I guess, but. But, yeah. Oh, no, it's consciousness. I mean, you wake up the next morning and I was like, wait, I forgot. Fuck, I missed it again. And I'd be like, why do you, why can't I remember?

I was obsessed with that. And I was, I had anxiety about it, too. I was like, worried. I was like, oh, no, man. So I just closed my eyes and then I'm just in another state. I was, like, really worried about that. You're, like, worried, like, what happens? Do I die a certain kind of death?

Yes. You know? Yes. That is an interesting thought. because do you have does your anxiety manifest more in the morning or in the evening? Ooh.

I'd say it's pretty evenly. Afternoon. Dispersed throughout the day. It's the afternoon. I got a cruise in altitude of torment, actually. Now, I hate, like, when I wake up at the morning, like, I just get flooded with the worst feelings and thoughts and anxieties.

I don't know, I guess it's, I guess cortisol's higher. in the morning that might be wine but like maybe that's what after a certain age threshold what stirs you awake is you know just the problems of the world or whatever what do you mean like it's like the morning is when it's most acute like you're yeah like i'm tormented in the mornings like like i can't stay asleep you know what i mean i fall asleep fairly easily but i can't stay asleep i guess i'm the same way yeah yeah yeah four a m that's when i'm like i hate the 4 a.m. wake.

Yeah, dog. Just cheat you out that last three hours, man. Yeah, dog. Anyway. Anyway. Did you ever come up with anything of that little interstitial phase?

No, to this day, I'm still chasing it. Really? No. Huh. I mean, I guess I'll find it when I die. Like, that's when DMT hits, right? And it's like, that's the moment. And you're like, wait, no, no, no, no.

Like, I want to be able to come back and search the next day, and then DMP's just like, like, not the cards for you, so. Not on the cards for you, sir. And the Grim Reaper's like, you gotta come with me. You gotta come with me now. What if the Grim, what if the Grim Reaper's like, no worries if not, yeah.

I know. It's like, you're coming with me, but if you don't want to, then, you know. Yeah. I don't understand why he's got to be so creepy. Like, couldn't he be wearing like a Hawaiian shirt robe instead of a black robe? Instead of a scythe, he's got like,

I don't know. A hula hoop. A hula hoop. Yeah, he's just like, it's cool over here, man. Come on. Yeah, you know, you get, you get more flies with honey, right? Something like that. Exactly.

It's like, I don't know why I've got to follow this creepy hooded bastard with a, you know, a pre-industrial farming tool into the oblivion. Mm-hmm. Yeah, what? Can we update this a little bit? The scythe is a little outdated. What if he bargains with it? people now and like also do you go through grim reapers is he been universal through history or do

they change grim reapers like every 78 years like they do the georgia mascot you know like one of the bulldogs dies and then there's like uhga six or like dr who or bevo bevo or the pope you know like it's never changing office and who votes for him or is it an appointment is it a lifetime have appointment and then when he actually does. That's a good question, honestly. Yeah. I mean, it's a lot we could talk about here. We opened up at least 10 different tabs just now.

But like, I don't know. Like, we had a really rigid idea of Satan who is not quite the Grim Reaper. Like, I guess the Grim Reaper is he's, like, is he welcome in, is he more welcome in heaven than in hell like he's a little creepier you would expect him to be maybe more welcome in hell a little more hell bound than heaven yeah or if he comes into the celestial gates of heaven they just make him like do a little wardrobe change at the gate or something it's like man listen you can't be coming in here with you hell in heaven and hell and earth duds you know like we're cultivating a vibe up here and frankly you don't fit it although we appreciate your work don't don't get me wrong

You don't have like bars have those like quasi racist dress codes. They're like no baggy pants. No du rags, no tallties, no jerseys. Uh-huh. And having them just like, yeah, no cloaks, no soths. No siths. And then the groupers like, okay, well, I know what's up here. I know where I'm not welcome.

Yeah. You guys aren't inclusive up here. Dude, the early Christian thinker origin or O-Rour, R-I-G-E-N, thought that, like, salvation was so universal, even Satan could be saved. Is that where we get origin from? Or has that been around before he was around?

He was named after the concept. Of origins. Yeah, yeah, of origins, of beginnings, yeah. I don't know, I think humans have always kind of been very mystified, very perplexed by our origins, right? Like, we're, honestly, where do things begin and in? How do we go from, Origin to Jeff, though, in naming conventions.

Like, how's that happening? Protestantism. Yeah, I guess so. I think it's Protestantism that you're looking for. Yeah, I just, we kind of get slided. Like, how do I get stuck with Tom when there's Aristotle's in the world, you know? Mm-hmm. Tom's not bad, Thomas?

It's not in descript, though, Tom. It's just, it's one syllable. Yeah, but the last name is strong. Sexton. That is powerful. last name. Also, I'm not disconnected from the Reaper. Sexton was the grave digger. Oh, I thought it was somebody who, like, measured shoe sizes or something.

No, you're thinking of something else. You're thinking of a cobbler. A cobbler. Yeah. Tom Cobbler. That would be a whimsical-ass name if that was your name. Oh, my God. Tom Cobbler. Yeah. Could you...

What's right? Ray, well, that's a derivative of king, yeah? Yeah In Spanish El Ray The King Yeah It could also be from India

Raj, Ray You know That's the first thing I thought When I met you I was like Out there's an Indian That's a strong Indian name Mm-hmm

Yeah That's exactly right The Could you imagine how weird If it would be If like one day one day we woke up this is my

I have a Christian sci-fi story so nobody better fucking take this I've got it patented and copyrighted but one day you wake up and the vibe is totally off it's very very weird people are really happy everywhere there's no

criminality or evil or shadows or anxiety and it turns out that the reason why is because Satan decided to get saved Satan is now Based on origin's belief about the grace of Christ even extends to the adversary.

Exactly. What happened? What would the world look like? I think it would almost be like a pride parade. Everybody seems positively happy at pride. Were they at like Keith? At this pride parade parade? Even the guys getting pissed on in the little

blow up pools that wait what kind of pride for aids are you going to they're doing golden shower

floats uh you know in some places they do some communities are ready for that and others aren't you know

it's like a fire truck and they're spraying the crowd with piss yeah do you remember when kink at pride was a big topic of debate I was like listen

in time we'll get there okay I remember Kink of Pride. Yeah, I remember that was... It sounds to me like he went to a Pride when there was some king. I remember all too well, Kink at Pride.

If they were busy on each other at Pride, I'd say that was king. I had a question. Escape me when I was going down. Was it about origin? Origin. Universal salvation. The universe of grace of Christ.

No, what about any of that? What was it about? it was about the vibe shift it was something pertaining to the vibe shift oh like what the world would look like if Satan got saved everybody's happy

I had a good one I had a good zinger and it left me anyway we'll see if it comes back well I can explore that a little bit further I mean yeah give me a little time to think here that was a good one it was relevant it was pertinent I'm gonna remember it it's just not gonna be

worth a damn well I think if Satan decided to get saved, if he went over, decided to go back over to his original side. By the way, he was a fallen angel, if you'll recall.

The first union organizer, as they like to tell you. But if he decided to go back to the other side, then that would create a power vacuum in hell. Maybe the Grim Reaper feeling spurned from not being allowed into heaven

because of his address card decides to step in. And he's got his own agenda. He's got his own ideas for what sin are, for what degeneracy is. And the grim reaper just goes to say it. He's like, listen, I don't find golden showers

that pride that offensive or sinful for that manner. And they're legislating like what their morality is going to be. Well, I mean, because... Against the surveillance state of the omnipotent God who sees all and knows all. Mm-hmm. Decks stacked against them from an organizing perspective.

That is true. Yeah, I don't know. Well, where this had all started was Genghis Khan. Yeah, Christian. I want to tell you something. That's a big curveball for me. It was a very strange form of Christianity. It was like a hybrid.

Like, I don't even know if we would really recognize it. us Westerners with our diofysite views of Christ and it's like he it's like you know Thomas Jefferson made the D.S. Bible he took out everything he didn't agree with

and Gangus Khan took the Bible and it's like anything against pillaging get struck from the minutes. Oh they they well yeah because they um they had

what is it called when you're allowed to have like 100 wives polygamy? Yeah. Like Christians obviously weren't about that Like they From day one they were like You cannot hold more than one wife But I think ganga sat down at the council

And be like fellas listen I want to join up That's just not going to work for me You see I have to sew my seed far and wide So much so that every human being in the future Will be a direct descendant of me Well okay I goes thinking about him

Because it's like Everybody says that we're all like most of the world like 70% of the world is like a descendant of Genghis Khan but couldn't it also be the case

that like 70% of the world is also a descendant of his dad you see what I'm saying like why isn't his dad get any credit yeah he doesn't get the credit as the his seed produced the father of many nations exactly

or is that Father Abraham I can't remember there's a lot of guys that are looked at as, it's funny to think about the father of many nations and basically what it means is they were having the most sex. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the subtext there. Well, that's the irony of Abraham.

Like, as father of many nations, he was prepared to kill his own son. And really and truly, he only had sex with two women. Sarah and Hagar. Oh, okay. So. Interesting. You know, honest, there's, yeah, there's, There's more conservative ways to become the father of many nations, seemingly.

What does that? Well, I think we've talked about this. Back then, you lived to be 900 years old if you believe the Bible literally. So that's a lot of time to have kids. You probably don't intermenopause until you're like 800. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. It's just like, man, I'm not married and no kids and I'm 463.

Like, what am I doing? Yeah, man. All my friends were married and had kids by 240. Yeah. Just run your race, honey. You'll meet the right one one of these days or the right seven. Well, pivoting to the news and the things we need to talk about because there's a lot that we need to talk about and it's all very serious. Yeah, we've got to have an interstitial moment where we go.

from Goofy to Somber. Yeah, because, you know, it's... I know we mentioned this with our episode with Alex, but in doing this show, we've had several weeks where years happen, or, you know, the linen quote. You're like, I can't remember exactly how that goes right now, but you know the one.

In my mind, you condense a lot of time, into a short time. That's the way I've conceptualized it. I think that's what he meant by that. Yeah. The, but it feels very much like this is a qualitatively, um...

Hectic. A qualitatively insane week. Like, I was just a weird... The devil must have gotten saved or something. Or, you know what I mean? Somebody had to pick the mandol up since he's not doing it anymore.

Right. Um... But just to like maybe ease us into it, we can talk a little bit about the carnal desires, the carnal pleasures of, you know, that the devil likes to see it in man. And I just wanted to bring up the fact that, have you been following this Kirsten Cinema sex scandal?

Oh, my God. Or what I call the preacher's daughter syndrome. Which is? Well, it's just like this idea, you know, people say like, preacher's daughters are the wildest ones. And it's like... Is she a preacher's daughter? No, but she's like a former Mormon, which is adjacent to it, I guess.

Okay. Interesting. I didn't know that. But it's like, I don't know, you repress part of yourself long enough to be in the church and all of a sudden you have to be like freak of the week or something, you know what I mean? I mean, I'm kind of curious. I've been kind of fascinated by how the media

and the left and everyone has run with this because the story is that she seduced her former guard bodyguard, yeah her former bodyguard

and her former bodyguard's wife is now suing her for ruining her marriage for ruining their marriage, right? Is that a criminal offense? It is in the state of North Carolina. Really? That's where she filed suit.

That's where she filed suit. Being a home wrecker is punitive in North Carolina. It is. is, yes. Okay. Yeah. So what's like, so I saw something about her asking him to bring some MDMA to something or something? Yeah, he, she asked, they were going out of town on some trip and she asked him to bring

MDMA and she said she would guide him through the trip. I mean, I've done MDMA. There's nothing you need to be guided through. You can get to take your own adventure. Do, she's going to do what, make sure there's ample water to drink because you get real thirsty. I mean, I've got you through the trip. Shut up. She, I'm just going to say, like, I'm, if this story had come out at peak woke in, let's say,

or 2016 or 17, like, peak woke, it would not be reported on the way it's being reported on because the way it's being reported on is that she seduced him, which is, like,

in my opinion, like, kind of taking his agency out of it a little bit. Like, it's like, you know, he was,

I guess she had power over him. I guess there is that. If I, if he were a friend of mine, I would sit him down and have to give him the rust and call to Woody Harrowson talk.

So you roll all this dick swagger and can't even spot crazy pussy when you see that's the only talk that requires it's like no man like she really likes me like i'm conflicted man i'm gonna leave my wife for kriton like bro leaving your wife for the for the uh for a quirky chungas kinky chunga who showed up in like a schoolgirl's outfit to like vote no on racing emphatically man objectively bad move my man

the devil is at work there though we can confidently say that yeah I think that's a clear cut case of see that's the kind of the low level crime Satan's gotten into he's offshoreed all the big stuff to other bad actors you know that is true he needs to fucking

he's going back to his old testament roots where he's more of a trickster yeah I mean we he Let himself Look, dude, if you're listening to this Like you've let yourself go a little bit, brother Like you've let the likes of Joe Lonsdale And Peter Till

Take over You know? Like the old kind of Satan That the Satan that I knew Growing up The Satan that I knew personally That I worked in close concert with Wouldn't have allowed that shit to go on

That's who we need to appeal to We need to appeal to Satan To get a swagger bag What is that thing that is going around about Palantir? Palantir is working on a tool for immigration and customs enforcement that populates a map with potential deportation targets, brings up a dossier on each person, and provides a, quote, confidence score on the person's current address. See, that's some God stuff, though. I'm Nephton eye in the sky thing That's true

That is true Have we got this all Bunged up What It's God bad Satan In the narrative Telling of things I think so

I think it's Very likely Speaking of Jill Lonsdale There was a long Exposé in Politico About like University of Austin You know Barry Weiss's

University of Austin. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. How, like, the wills are sort of coming off, like how it's just sort of completely unraveling. But I guess Joe Lonsdale is... Imagine that. And that's what's for an encore, CBS? Also, the eye on the sky, man.

Look at the logo. Dude, the logo is like Sauron. Yeah. That is lame. Like, them trying to rebrand CBS is like the thinking person's Fox News. It's like, dude, no one wants that. Dude, I hate this.

I hate the, a couple of things ruining America. Well, there's a lot of things ruining America. America's been room. But a couple things that are really pressing on my mind is we have the aesthetic quality of a shitty Americana band named like the whiskey gentry. You know what I mean? Apologies out there if you're our actual bad name

The Whiskey Gentry. I mean, no disrespect. It's just a bad name. I don't mean it in the, you know. I got you. That's what they used to call you in that back when you was carousing. Mm-hmm.

The Whiskey Trinch. Yeah. Uh-huh. Um. Oh, but Joe Lonsdale's on the board of trustees of University of Austin. And there's a story in Politico like I said, about how the wheels are kind of falling off over there,

specifically because the whole university is structured around this premise of anti-cancellation, which meant that like when a sexual assault, like Title IX case came before them, they literally could not handle it because they're so adamantly against, quote-unquote, cancellation or any kind of Me Too stuff because they think it's like some witch hunt caused by feminism, Like they just completely spun out and aren't able to actually deal with it because clearly like something happened here. I'll tell you what happened and it's doomed to the whole generation of us. There's, you don't need any advanced degrees to see that a black guy fucked Joe Lonsdale's girlfriend in college.

And now we're all holding the bag for it. It's unbelievable. Interesting. That thought did not occur to me, but I guess. Concertives, I can see what you're saying. Joe Lonsdale in apparently the spring of 2025 called everybody into an emergency meeting on University of Austin campus and said that all staff and faculty must subscribe to the four principles of anti-communism, anti-socialism, identity politics, and, and, um, said that all staff and faculty must subscribe to the four principles of anti-communism, anti-socialism, identity politics, and anti-Islamism. Here's the thing.

You know, back when me and Satan were running around together in a different time, different place, those used to be things that like you couldn't do on the college campus, even the private ones. I mean, they had their ways, of course, you know, to skirt around those things. But I don't know. How did we get to the age where they just kicked the door? Like, I've been trying to trace this a little bit, right? It's like, I was thinking about this the other day.

It's like, we just quit demanding anything out of American life. And part of that is like that's a much easier thing to do. And like, we're all preoccupied with our own individual reality cultivated by our own social media feeds and our own entertainment choices and our own class station, yada, yada. But like, it feels like we beat the drum on things, right, for a while. and then we just kind of go away. Like I remember growing up in the bush area, it was like the Patriot Act. Like we got to repeal this.

This is bad news. You know what I mean? And then you just kind of forget about it and then Palantir pops up. Uh-huh. Which couldn't have existed, presumably, in a, you know,

pre-Patriot Act world, you know, when there was some level of accountability. But like we've slowly eroded any sort of accountability to the point where now they've got the deck so thoroughly stacked against us that you got Joe Lonsdale

running around, saying that, oh, well, Palantir was founded to kill communists. And just saying stuff like that, you know. You know, the thing is, and I, on today's episode, I wanted to get some people from Minneapolis, but just scheduling conflicts and my own inability to think straight these days meant that I kind of screwed the pooch on that. So, but hopefully we'll get some people on in next week's, one of next week's episodes. but I did talk to several people in Minneapolis

and just to kind of like get a sense of like what's going on there and the thing is it's like you are right like in terms of like resource and technological capacity and all this the deck is somewhat stacked against this like you know you've got Tom Homan saying they're going to create a database of every anti-ice protester in Minneapolis

and plastered on the evening news every night which I'm sure they'll be using Palantir to do that you've got like I don't know about you but I've seen several home raids that ICE has done where they've sent in drones have you seen this they shot a man through his front door

I didn't see that I think two days ago drone warfare on American citizens yeah which which is what you know Obama had already started set the precedent for yeah I mean but obviously that was on

another country soil right so it's like but still didn't care yeah still it kind of sets the precedent well where I was going with this is like about Minneapolis is that like they do have like an incredible

amount of resources at their disposal and technological knowhow and you know everyone from Musk to teal to whatever but it seems like after talking to several people in Minneapolis like the thing that I just keep coming back to over and over is that like A I don't think they've got even the manpower to do what they want to do I mean oh they've got more than 3,000 people at ice agents in Minneapolis in

Minneapolis okay which is more than they sent to Chicago or any other city now let's keep it a buck Minneapolis is no pushover they're I mean they're performed strong in their conference they've held their ground historically you know they show up you know they're not an easy out by any stretch of the imagination but you would think

that having the full resources of the mad king behind you you could take Minneapolis and they can't even do that well this yes and the thing is is like okay so two people were shot on I think two nights ago

and two more additional people were shot two nights ago. And at the scene of the shooting, they left behind a car and several other things. Like, people found IDs of the ICE agents. They found a car full of all their orders and, like, what neighborhoods they're targeting and all this. These guys, like, and I think,

and one person even told me, like, there's something that's qualitatively different about them as opposed to police. like obviously it's you know we've tried to thread this needle or you know walk this fine line of not recuperating

police while criticizing ICE because fuck cops right obviously that seems like part of the thing it's like oh well if we reject the brown shirts or people just going to like find police quaint by comparison or whatever yeah

I mean I think the contradiction is being forced regardless I don't even think the left really needs to like address it that much. I mean, as one person pointed out to me, like, there are still police officers who get into it for whatever dumb, misguided reasons, they think they're actually going to do good and help their community, right? Like, whatever. But like, these ice guys, like, one person's exact quote to me was, you get the sense

that they are just there to kill or kidnap. anybody they see. And so, and I know that sounds obvious, right? Like, obviously that's why they're there. But, like, when you compare it to cops, like, apparently, like, these ice guys always have their fingers already on the trigger. Like, they're already primed to shoot anybody that they, that comes across, that challenges them, anything like that.

And we've seen plenty of videos of them, like, harassing people and being like, did you not see the video of René Good? Like, I can't believe you'd still be antagonized. like this. Have you learned nothing? But I think the point is, is that like for something like this to work in the way Trump wants it to, it relies on a great deal of manpower, essentially. And that's just not quite what, first of all, they don't have the numbers. Like, they're going to do a great deal of damage, disappearing people, killing people. I saw this one TikTok of this woman saying that there's even a U.S. citizen wing of the St. Paul

federal detention center. So obviously they're detaining U.S. citizens and putting them in their own separate wings from people they're seeking to deport or whatever. Right. Immigrant detainees. And they're going to do a great deal of damage. But like at the same time, what they aim to do is logistically impossible unless you're going to mobilize the entire U.S. military, which Trump has threatened to do. He said he's going to invoked their insurrection act. What do you think that would look like?

Do you think that would be a point of, you know, well, no, fuck this. We're not going to turn our guns on U.S. citizens. Or do you think the people in the military would be just all too happy to go do shit like that? What's your sense of that, how that would shake out? It's hard to say. I think that they would probably, I think you would have a core of people who would do it willingly.

It's hard to say, though. Did you see this story about how, like, six federal prosecutors resigned after the FBI pledged to not cooperate with, like, the Minnesota Bureau of Investigations over the Renee Good murder? Like, apparently, like, the Department of Justice instructed its federal prosecutors in Minnesota in that region,

I don't know, whatever that, you know, district is, for the U.S. Attorney's Office to build a case against Renee Good, that she was some, like, activist, that she was some, you know what I'm saying? This is driving me insane. And it's like if you talk about this to anybody that is, like, not arguing in good faith or just trying to play the devil's advocate, like, that's bogus story out of CBS that was like, oh, he's in the hospital with internal bleeding. And it's like, like, everybody saw the video.

that you could piss them on all you want to with like bad faith people about what her intent was or whatever you know what I mean like it's pretty clear to me that like she was you know she was getting the conflicting things get out of the car keep it moving whatever whatever but you know piss him on about that all you want but like she did not hit him at all and also she got murdered by him do we live in such an inverted reality where like we're having sympathy for the guy allegedly with a boo-boo who was clearly not

struck by that vehicle on camera versus the woman they got four put in her fucking head man in front of her wife. What the fuck are we doing? It reminds me of when Israel bombed at a hospital and then you felt

insane for even having to argue what was so patently clearly a war crime that Israel had done, you had to, even having to argue against it, what made you feel insane? It's very similar here.

It's like, the video is clear. You know what I mean? Like, there's not, it's not even remotely ambiguous. Even if it was, he still wouldn't have been. It's like,

okay, let's say that she tried to hit him, man, and, uh, was trying to escape. She still didn't fucking hit him. Like,

what are you talking about? Yeah, which is not true. obviously, but still, like, it doesn't even matter. Like, that gets to what one person told me, I misquoted them. I had to look back through my quotes. They didn't say that, it said that, like, it's obvious, like, looking into these, to the eyes of these ice agents, like, they want to hurt people.

Yeah. Which is, in my opinion, a qualitative enhancement or differentiation from cops. Yes, I hate saying that, like, because I do think there are people in the ranks of police who like aren't dead-eyed psychos, still fuck them, ACAB, you have to make all the qualifiers. But like they, in my opinion, like the police exist for a certain

set of like reasons pertaining to political economy. Like criminalizing survival strategies, protecting private property, social control, this kind of stuff. But still have to have the veneer of public servant to legitimize them. This is just,

this is just gangster shit. It is. as 100% it is literally it is not in the cool sense man no no not in the cool sense it's literally as one person said it's a recruitment thing rather than a training thing that's why like training them more than 47 days would make

no difference like these people are literally hired from the ranks of alt-right paramilitary gangs like they want to hurt I saw the one guy was like a former like proud boy or whatever you know what's his name Enrico Tare or whatever his name yeah yeah yeah yeah like this is um

it doesn't even have the veneer of what we were saying like or even the function of what cops do which is to essentially uphold some of the basic tenets of capitalist social reproduction and political economy it is quite literally a weapon it is a it is a tool for eradication and liquidation like that's just it it's it's all it is it's like literally it's turning

that basic impulse which has been growing within American society since the pandemic and giving it the full force and backing of the federal government and saying like, okay, now your mandate is not to protect private property or go after, you know, petty thieves or people who are like just trying to survive under what meager scraps we give people already. No, the point is liquidation. And that is a qualitative difference from the police. And I don't know. I think that like liberals

will probably find themselves having to flesh that out a little bit like not being able to sit comfortably in that space. Like yeah. Like I think what I'm saying is like the police will eventually either go away or they'll just join the ranks of ice.

But like it seems to me that like if we're entering a new sort of like eliminationist phase of all this, something you said to me in the this morning actually made a lot of sense because I sent you that graph about how the like the consumer trends. The top 10% of U.S. earners now reflect a record 49% of all consumer spending. This percentage has risen 13 points over the last 30 years, marking a dramatic shift in spending power. At the same time, the bottom 80% of earners represent just 37% of total consumer expenditures. So it's like the bottom 80% account for just.

just 25% of the U.S. economy. So it's like, it is, what, what, like, you know, we only really, they only really kept us around for all those years because we were consumers and we could accrue debt. But now they're getting to a point where like not even that's good enough for them, so they're just going to just start. It goes in line with what you were saying, how like one of the slogans of the right is like 70 millions Americans, 70 millions Americans. They want to kill as many people as they can.

Yeah, what do you think that means? That doesn't just mean deportations. You could probably deport every immigrant out of America and you still wouldn't achieve that aim. Right. It is a dart proposition. And the thing about it is, and you see how they have so indoctrinated, like, the petty bouches

into this hate of poor people. I tell this story this is anecdotally, of course, but, like, there was a guy, I'm not going to blow it. I'll tell you about it. I'm not going to blow a spot up here, but even though I should, this is one of the most reprehensible things I've ever heard of. And it, I don't know, it makes me mad to think, but bummed me out for the last two days.

But I was talking to, he was talking about the new Commonwealth attorney. And he was talking about a traffic stop that he made where this girl was like speeding and like going like 50 miles an hour down Whitco Hill, which as you know, is like this narrow hollow. and pulled her over and was like, said that he was just going to tell her to slow down and all this stuff. And then like ended up, it got more complicated than that or whatever. And he ended up arresting her, which I'm not, I don't support that either. Okay, to be clear, just for everybody thinks I'm pro cop now. But like that happened. And his recommendation to the county attorney was, let's give her like six months in the county jail.

and like, you know, she can pay restitution. Like basically her crimes were like reckless driving, speeding, and she had written some bad checks. But she came from this family, this poor family back home, who I grew up in church with. Like we grew up speaking in tongues at the Pentecostal church together with a lot of these people in this family. And he said to,

he said, I'm not going to stop until every one of these motherfuckers is out of this county. He gave this girl. who was 20 years old, not even 21 yet, just short of her 21 birthday, 16 years in prison. What? 16 years in prison over like some bad checks for like a couple thousand dollars and some like and a speeding ticket and reckless driving. 16 years in Penn.

His only rationale is this per this personal dilemma he had with his family because, you know, they're hell raisers. They're like a holler family, sure, whatever. But it's like there are hellraisers. people in this community has been here for a long time. This fuckers from fucking Georgia. Anyway. And I just thought to myself, I was like,

and like, who was the jury that went with this? I thought, fuck, six months in the county pens, like crazy for that. You know what I mean? Like, yeah. It might not have gone before a jury. If that person had been from a rich family, if that girl had been from a rich family,

they would have ordered her to pay restitution, and that would have been the end of it. They have set her up on a payment. plan to put that money back from those bad checks instead because she was poor and pointed out to me he said the people on that jury were uh there was a doctor there was a lawyer he's like these are like educated like people but it's that exact people who have like so internalized the message that like poor people are are the reason that they even they're struggling now too or that they can't get ahead or that whatever their personal grips is with their sort of existence when really and truly were

they should be pointing to also is the ruling class, but for completely different reasons. They should be pointing their animus toward the ruling class because the petty booze serve as just a steady stream of income for these people. Yeah. You know, and they're like happy enough because they have relative comforts. But really, they think they're rich and they're not rich. You know what I mean? But they've been allowed to think that they're part of the same club as, you know, the millionaires and the billionaires and so forth.

In any case, I say all that to say this. It's like part of this is just this way that like poor people have been fingered as the problem of everything in society. And you see this with the fucking frontrunner of the Democratic Party. Gavin Newsom was tearing down homeless encampments with his own fucking hands, displacing people. You know what I mean? Like I just, I don't I don't understand this utopian vision of where like we eradicate our neighbors because they've fallen on hard times or they're poor or whatever. Like I don't I don't understand where that comes from. I don't understand why we can't see it with our own two fucking eyes.

Is it because we're powerless and we don't want to interrogate that any further? We don't want to be burdened with trying to confront power or anything like that. And now it's like it's the same shit, man. I talk to people like about ice stuff. And I, you know, I shared on the story. Like I had the experience of two Lexington PD people coming in my fucking house without announcing themselves or anything. And like you're having that but with drones and guns and murder.

And it's like, well, she should have obeyed the. you know, the officer's directive or whatever. And it's like, no, like, if you're, if you're, if you're, if you're, if you can't read the tea leaves on this and what all this means, like it's just, you're just, you just burying your head in the sand at best, you know? I kind of see the police as a manifestation of a very liberal form of thinking, which is thinking they can kind of like thread the needle. Yeah.

On like, like if you differentiate it with something like the Confederacy or, um, the United States policy towards Native Americans or Nazi Germany, which are strictly eliminationist projects, political projects. Like if you differentiate that with the cops, the cops do eliminationist procedures for the elite, but their mandate is not explicitly eliminationists, right? And basically the existence of the police and the fact that we've just let them do whatever they want to do, basically give them virtual immunity to, you know, enter people's homes,

murder people in their beds, do whatever they want to do, has created the political space for what ICE is now doing. Like, dude, what I have heard from people in Minneapolis, like, the way that, like, these ICE people have just taken over the city, like, in the sense that, like, they run over people, they run over bikes, they hit other cars, they smash off rearview mirrors, like, they, you know, smash other cards. They're clowns. They're clowns. They're clowns with a blank check.

They took the semi-literate fucking hopeless losers of America and gave them free reign to do whatever. It's a dangerous proposition. And the racial profiling of just arresting every single person they come across who's not white. And now like Christy Nome is saying

that you'll have to show your papers to prove your citizenship. I mean, us talking at the top of this program like about our specific like uh histories in this country i could not prove i'm a citizen my fucking settler what mayo ass white people uh family line has been here since probably their early 1800s you know what i mean like i can't we've been here fucking yeah crazy amount of time yeah um but like dude they're they're arresting ogalala sue members. Like there's four

Sue tribesmen like in like detained and what I said was that they would release them if they got an immigration agreement which I don't even know what that means I guess they want sue tribesmen to deport themselves. I mean if the stated

aim is what is that what is the slogan you told me that they say 70 million does that mean they want 70 million deported or they want 70 million Americans? I think they just imagine an America was 70 million instead of 340 million or whatever. Yeah.

I mean, the pie is shrinking. The economy is contracting. Like, the frontiers are all gone. The frontiers for realizing surplus. So, yeah, I mean, they're going to try to coal the herd and basically, like, yeah, it's Lebbins around. I think this is the main reason why they want Greenland, honestly. There's been a lot of speculation over, like, why does Trump?

Is Greenland going to be Argentina for Chuds? I think so. You know how the Nazis went to Latin America? Is Greenland going to be the Chuds escape plan when they realize this is going to hit the fan? Dude. And I think it will hit the fan. I don't think that what they want to do is really possible. So, like, contained within that is, like, a glimmer of hope because of how I've seen people fight back against this in Minneapolis.

but also gives me great trepidation and fear because it means a lot of people are going to die and get disappeared. And so I don't know. I mean, like, I think that there are limitations to what they want to do, primarily being that like, they have to mobilize 3,000 ICE agents to Minneapolis, okay? Those are 3,000 morons with all the fucking, you know,

you know, techno gadgets you can imagine, obviously, like killing machines you know avenues for lethality you can possibly imagine but they are also fucking morons like strategically they're not going to be I mean I guess

again this is why I guess Trump keeps threatening to send the actual military in like with the Interaction Act but like part of it is like part of it is Trump did you see this thing where Trump was like when they were asking for his comments on Iran

he was trying to bargain with the military because this is what he does he throws bricks and hides his head. Like, and then, like, he'll go to a place like Minneapolis, like, just a normal American city and just raise absolute hell. Right. Because he just unleashes this. But, like, when they were talking about strike in Iran, he's trying to bargain with

the generals, like, I want a quick and decisive victory. Then I don't want to prolong where I want to get out of there because he knows he can't manage something like that, one. Right. But two is like, he's also just like a coward that goes for spectacle, you know? Same thing. When he killed Soleimani, when they perp Walt Maduro. all this shit.

So he thinks he can basically just do this like seamless stuff. And because these billionaires have never had anybody tell them no that like that's just not possible, like you cannot do that to a place like Iran and think that's just going to go over smoothly. You know what I mean or anything like that? But he just doesn't, nobody's ever told him no. So it's just the way they bargain against reality. And like that is kind of hopeful.

Do you know what I mean? Like that like they, yes, he's. He's powerful, but he's also a clown and a failure. He's a powerful clown and a failure. And these people are, I mean, they are cruel, but they're extremely stupid too. So I think it's just a matter of like where do we carve out the space to like to fight back in a way that's not, you know, full on taking up arms in a civil war. And, you know, again, that's an open question. It might not be possible.

But just most people are not probably going to do that. Do you know what I mean? So like where, like, what's... In a... Take up arms? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I don't even think you have to. Like, I think that, like, the opportunities for, like, like, basically demobilizing their transportation, their...

I mean, just the ice on the streets of Minneapolis, like, the literal ice. Yeah. Yeah, we don't. You really have to. Yeah, you're right. It may not come to a situation. We're talking these dramatic, like, grand Hollywood kind of terms, you know what I mean? But sometimes it's like, it's not as, you know, it's not that difficult.

The whole community, like, rising up basically and saying, like, we want these bastards out of here. And, like, I mean, I guess Trump could send in the military. That's a thousand wonders some of those guys haven't got popped yet. Well, yeah. I mean, like, I think that the, we've talked about this before. Like, I think a big reason why is gun ownership is a class issue. Most people don't. Most people under a certain income bracket don't own guns.

And those are the people being targeted in these raids. And so, you know what I mean? Like, it's just, I think it's a matter of class, first of all. But second of all, like, I don't know. I think that like you don't even have to like have trained battalions of people like figuring out how to like run them off the streets

like not in a military sense anyways. I think that like if you get if you like get like 12 scared ice agents in a cul-de-sac like it's very clear to me that like for each one of them you've got at least like 30 or 40 good decent people

who are unarmed but who just by strength of numbers can basically like push them out of certain areas. It's just kind of a numbers game, I think. And this is the kind of thing, like for all their technical sophistication and technology, and they want to track all of us and, you know, surveil us and use our faces to, you know, shame us on TV and all this. Like, all of this still runs on actual literal manpower. and in this case that manpower is 3,000 man babies essentially. Like it's just like literally like 3,000 racist dumbest.

You know what I mean? Like idiots. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Losers. Like the drugs of society. A social losers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The dregs of society.

Right, exactly. And if you just put 3,000 dregs of society up against 30,000, you know, good, honest, honorable, brave people, like, just like the cosmic force kind of, like, outweighs. You know what I mean? Like, say nothing of, like, the actual material forces of each other. Just like the good and love on one side versus the evil nature. I know this sounds very liberal, but you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

No, there's that. I'm going to regret that one, sorry. No, that's fine. That's fine. Now, there are accusing you of being lived these. days over your Putin comment. I'm getting it bad. I'm pro cop and you went live.

Putin said, I like Putin yesterday, said the international situation has deteriorated. Yeah. Yeah, I'd say that's right. Oh, man. I don't know, the Sioux, the Oglala Sioux thing, though, is really to me the most telling giveaway, right?

Like there is no where you deport. You have a greater chance of deporting, a greater case of deporting me back to like fucking factory town in northern England than you do sue, right? Like they are literally the first people. Their Aboriginal inhabitants of this indigenous to this place. Is their land. And like the fact that they're being targeted.

And because that's the thing. Like these ice people are literally encouraged to, like, It's like they have like a threefold mandate. It's like kill everybody, racial profile, and make sure you record everything that you do and send it back to DHS so they can make cool, epic content.

Speaking of which, again, we're vindicated on the Eddington front. Yeah. Yeah. Just the fact that like it's all mediated by spectacle is a very... That's another thing that, in my opinion, is one of their weakness.

their utter fixation and addiction to the screen, to spectacle, to getting all of it like on camera and, you know, trying to essentially force through this propaganda. The Nazis of your didn't want you to see their crimes. Well, and the crimes that they did want you to see were like, I think, like, I mentioned this to you on the Patreon on Monday. Like, I think the Nazis of Your would have been absolutely like flabbergats, like astounded, like amazed at the technological capacity for propaganda now.

Like in the sense that like you can make these videos, these like short little snippets and put them on TikTok and you know what I mean? Like because racism thrives and that kind of like context free. Yes. Kind of short bites of whatever. Right. But I think that like. And then sometimes they just don't have a goddamn argument like in the case of, you know,

Renee's murder. So I just, I don't know. Well, and I think this is. a weakness of theirs that they are so fixated on the screen they fetishized it so much like the people fighting back against that we do not go out there and film this

to fetishize that content it is not out there for consumption in the same way that their content is I hate that he's saying like it's you know our content is better blah blah blah what I mean is that like it is a utilitarian means to an end on our side to their to them

it's like because it is liquidationist policy like they are literally like tettulated by it they're obsessed with the um the fris on frisin isn't that are they let me ask you a question yeah I said something last week on the show I'm not even sure I stand by it now because somebody did make a good point where I was like they're acting like they know there's going to be no accountability at the end of this and somebody rebutted that said well they think it's kind of actually

the opposite. But like, do you think like... Well, I just, I think, I can't remember what their exact comment was, but like, I guess what they were getting at was that they, like, they don't care. It's like the lay epic thing. You know what I mean? And like, it's, it's been sort of, you know, we've talked about like J.D. Vance's obsession with being in these, like, internet spaces with the other dregs of society. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

The drags. And that kind of stuff. It's like, is like Jady Vance so high on Epic Bacon, like, internet Nazi them that he's like just doesn't see the bunker coming for him? Like, it's such a fascinating mentality. It's like he's not a dumb guy. Like, I mean, you know, maybe he is a dumb guy in some ways, but like, like intellectually. It's like, brother, can you not see that your best outcome here is. being immortalized as

fucking garbles. You know what I mean? Now? And like you were willing to risk all that? Like what I think, what I suspect that they think is that we've become so well adjusted to everything and everything's just out of the new cycle. And then like even if George W. Bush can slaughter two million Iraqis and pop pop up as like

just an old painterly grandfather on Ellen DeGeneres that like he's going to have a similar second life. Whereas like all this stuff is just going to be remembered as. oh man that was just like a thing at the time but like here's where i got it wrong and like there'll be like a because we've allowed so many monsters to have that arc you know what i mean he probably thinks that like well let's just go pump that to the max and like that'll be the same result and he might be right he might be right but if we're to have any sort of future we can't let we can't let the memory of these guys be sort of anywhere remotely close to as rehabilitate as what

They've tried to do with George W. Bush most recently or any of that kind of stuff. We have to figure out how to get outside of our own million little realities we live in enough to, like, have some guardrails on society where, like, no, like there is accountability. And like, monsters do sometimes get their comeuppance, you know. Honestly, I think what they're banking on is the utter bankruptcy of liberalism. I mean, I know that, like, liberals have morals. A lot of them oppose this. And I mean, just as an example, if you're not online, this name means nothing to you.

But Will Stantle, writing around and hounding ice agents. A brother, Will Stancel. I won't have Will Stancel's name mentioned on the show without brother Will Stantzell. Preface with that. Yeah. Like, that's great.

And the liberals, I think, obviously, like their morals, like their hearts are in the right place. This is all well-trodden territory. But like when I say that like the right is banking on the kind of bankruptcy of liberalism, I mean it more as a vision for organizing the world. This kind of became clear to me when I was reading that Adam 2's book crashed. It's like how a decade of financial crises created the world or some shit. I don't remember the subtitle, but you know, crashed is the name of the book.

and there's a lot of technical shit in there that I don't even understand. Like I'll never understand asset-backed credit. Mortgages. Commercial paper. The derivatives market, so on and so forth. Yeah. All that shit is so goddamn over my head and complex. But he starts it out talking about, in 2006, Barack Obama when he was a senator,

met with, like, Robert Rubin, Larry Summers, like, the guy that would go on to be Obama's Treasury Secretary. A veritable who's who of Zionist pedophiles. Yeah, like the old Clinton The old Clinton Who ran trade surplus Who ran trade surplus Or I'm sorry, who ran like a budget surplus Yeah

And like they met in 2006 And man I really encouraged people to At least read this chapter of his book Because it's fascinating Because the whole reason they met Was that they were Afraid of what are

debt that was held by China, they were afraid by what that would mean for the future. And they were afraid specifically that, like, the liberal vision had by trying to, you know, make budget deficits something that only Republicans did and in doing so, they cut welfare entitlements and all this, that basically, like, they needed a way to do this and sell it to the public, or else,

and this is basically word for word, what Barack Obama said, I was astonished to read this, or else you would see a rise in nativism, pro-war on terror, like Islamophobia, paramilitarized ice immigration, that kind of stuff.

So he called it. He himself, basically, he called... But that's before he had power, though. Absolute power, which corrupts absolutely famously. And also, like, right-wing populism. And I think that, like, those were probably not impossible to identify in 2006. But the point I'm trying to make is... That's kind of the seeds of it, if you think about it.

That's really, like, 2007 is where, like, I sort of started, like, before he even got elected, but, like, that election cycle leading up to it is where I started seeing the seeds of all this stuff. And this is sort of the logical endpoint of, well, hopefully, the logical endpoint of it, you know. But that makes sense. yeah, the Trump era kind of started around 2007. Well, I think it's, there's two things here. You could not ask for a better example of people trying to do something and failing miserably, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

What I mean, and to tie this back to what I was saying about Vance a second ago, the liberals, their vision is so beholden basically to like a right-wing, austerity, like, anti-poor, say whatever you want, vision, program that, like, when it actually comes push to shove, when it actually comes to governance, there's nothing there. And I think that like Vance and them, they don't care if history recognizes them as Nazis or not

because they don't see themselves losing because they don't see the liberals as offering any kind of alternative political vision or project. And I think that like, going back to what you said a second ago, like the 2000s is the moment this all basically gets seated

because you basically have the Iraq war, Afghanistan war and the war on terror, all comprehensive failures completely across the board. But then you also have the financial crisis. And like, that warps the American sense of self in a way that's just hard to even explain.

Like, the fact that, like, you had basically, like, a bailing out of the banks. I think bailing out the banks, essentially, like, specifically, is what black-pilled a lot of people. And right-wing populism had been you know brewing for a long time like you know obviously since the 60s but i feel like that's the

moment that it really gets supercharged and we've got we've got a lane here yeah it gave him a lane exactly if you remember the tea party movement exactly everything everything every sort of right wing movement from that time has built on the thing that came before a little bit yeah it basically allowed because i don't know man that that's that's that's really the kind of of grand historical irony of the 2008 crash. It was around the subprime lending, like the subprime mortgage industry, which was like, as Tews points out in the book, like, when people were saying a crisis was coming in the mid-2000s, they thought it was going to be a crisis of the public debt, specifically that China owned

all of our debt. What it wound up being was a crisis in the subprime lending market, which is really like hilariously allegorical that like basically the death of the American dream is basically like what causes this global crisis that causes a collapse of the global economy yeah and like from that moment forward if you think about that dude like predatory lending and like selling people junk financial instruments to the most vulnerable people in society is what caused it all yeah you know The way they framed that, though, is that people were irresponsible with their credit, but they don't talk about the companies that, like, straight up lied to people. Because it, like, it pointed out in that John Lancaster article that I referenced, like, 10 times a day. It's like, it became legal, actually codified in the law for lending agencies to lie to people seeking loans. Like, basically saying, well, the burden on use to read the fine print. But this guy, there's no accountability for him if he just tells you that you now on the moon, you know. It is wild, dude.

When you think, I told you this the other day, like, going from the Obama era to the Trump era is insane whiplash. I mean, it's not really that crazy when, really when you put it in the context of Bush, like, going from Bush to Obama to Trump, that is some insane whiplash. Because the Bush years were fucking insane, lest anyone forget. Like, those were really bad times. Yeah. Imagine if we would have had social media then, like we do now. Like our brains would have been broken 20 years early. Yeah, 100%.

Yeah. But like this, you know, you had only, we were then only at the beginning of a process, which we could now probably identify as an elimination as political project. It started as the global war on terror. It started in Eastern Kentucky as the war on opioids and opioid users. You know what I mean? Like you had, and all of these were, you know, especially with Eastern Kentucky, that was the Boomerang, Imperial Boomerang coming home, but you had pockets of it starting to grow.

And like now, you know, 20 years later, like we are, I don't know, it's here. It's just straight up here. What was that thing you sent me yesterday? From like the Undersecretary of State or some shit? That's bizarre comments on like, like the rapist hordes. Wow.

And then just these weird comments on like Jews and German. It was walking crazy, dude. Germany infamously retains very few Jews, yet imported barbarian rapist hordes, as an American I'm allowed to call them that, under Merkel. Even today, Germany suppresses political opposition who point this out. You guys will say this is because of, quote, Jewish NGO tentacles or wine that Hitler, who destroyed his country, is treated too harshly by history. You will say this because you're dumb trash, who preferred to promote conspiracy theories rather than, ascribed Germans or anyone else agency over their country's future. The Undersecretary of State said that.

Dude. And what's crazy is like it was like a Nazi account. She was quote tweeting. It was like, I was just so disoriented by all that stuff. I was just like. National Socialists of TikTok. Yeah, it was a Nazi account. I was like, are they trying to, is there like a pissing contest to see who's the most woke

Nazi? it's like the Nazis of TikTok are like no we just think that like certain races are you know irredeemable scum and then like then they're taking the high minded position that no this is not about that this is about actually uh self-determination which sounds a lot like states rights yeah yeah yeah it would make sense that like as john lanchester points out in that article you reference like i can't remember this was the specific statistic but he's like if you knew this about just if you knew what happened in the aftermath of the 2008 financial crash the bailouts who benefited who was made to pay for it like you would be it would be insane of a right wing populist movement didn't grow out of that yeah yeah yeah and now that has become the social base the social material for what was clear in the 2000s but like they didn't have that the numbers for it, nor that they did they have the popular will for it, which was a eliminationist

program. Like, I don't know. I would assume that, like, behind closed doors, George Bush and Cheney probably did Sig Hales and pledged a fealty to their furor. But, like, you don't need a nice little bit of my Christmas. Adventures club shit for all the way now. Right, right, right. But, like, now, like, they don't need the closed doors anymore.

They've got, like, the numbers that, you know, they're. the economy sucks as. At least some degree of, you know. Yeah. Basically they're just buying Nazi brown shirts. Like the economy sucks. So it's like, well, let's just pour all of our money into just like, like, it's weird, man. It's like the Nazis in the 30s didn't have to like pay.

There was enough like social grievance that like you could assemble a brown shirt paramilitary group without having to pay them all off. Yeah. Give them a fuck-ass haircut and let them go do some homoerotic, like, training somewhere in the Bavarians, and then, yeah, unleash them on whoever. Which I also take to be another weakness of their program. I do see, like, these alt-right thugs, these groopers, these racist, rapist, pedophile Nazis, like, as a comparatively small portion of the population. Yeah, they are. They are. Let's be clear about that. Yeah, it's, this is. You know, this is a small part of the population, but over, overrepresented through some chican, not even chicanery.

It's just they've been out jousted. I've just outjousted the Democrats because there's literally no resistance to what they're going to do, you know. Yeah. So there's like street resistance to it, but yes, you're right. In the electoral realm, this is what I'm getting at. This is what I'm getting at with J.D. Vanson and them, I don't think they think they'll ever be challenged. Like, I think even with Trump jokingly, oh, we shouldn't even have an election. Like, I think that, like, that's the aim.

They're trying to poke at the edges and see how that's going to go over. Yeah, they're trying to float it out there, right? Yeah, yeah. It's, you know, it's like, it's like, we see the midterms coming up and we expect, like, the Democrats just to wreck their shop. But I still think there's, like, got to be some sort of demand with that. And I'm not talking about it with us, like, people on the left, like, we obviously know that. But if there is no, like,

designs on accountability. If candidates start saying stuff like we need more money and training for us, that should be disqualifying. Like, there's just no point in engagement with people that have, that they're saying nothing else besides abolish us or whatever. Now, my hunch is that some Democrats will go along with that, and they'll run on the platform of like, well, we need accountability. We're going to prosecute people like that murdered, you know, Renee Good,

that did all these things. But there's probably going to be people that also, too, know that, like, they don't have to do that necessarily because there's just going to be so much anti-Trump sentiment that they can just kind of coast in there. Yeah. But it's like, how do we, like, I don't know, how do we're, like, is it even worth engaging with that? I think it's an open question. Yeah.

I think it's, I know it changes daily, but I don't know. I'm feeling very much after after sort of like obsessively reading about Minneapolis talking to people living there, I'm kind of feeling like there won't be an election. I mean, like if they do have them, it'll be very, like they clearly don't want...

They'll have like eyes posted up at like polling places and stuff like that. They'll try to suppress the shit out of the vote because now they know they can get away with... These guys just have free reign and do whatever. Right. I did see there was a Democratic senator from Illinois or maybe Congresswoman that is filed articles of impeachment on Christy Knoem. Have you seen this?

I did see that, yeah. Because I guess Christy Knoem would be sort of the where the buck stops with like immigration and stuff, right? Isson on that. Right. Like she's that. So I wonder what that's going to turn into, if that's going to prove fruitful and if like, you know, I don't know. Well, I mean, Republicans aren't going to go along with it. I mean, I think that the, this is going to sound lib as well.

Maybe we need to do an episode. I was toying around with this idea yesterday as like an ABCs of socialism type project, like a popular education type project, like, about like, what are we nearing the end of? like it seems like everybody's in agreement like something is ending but what is it that's ending is it capitalism is it democracy is it empire is it you know what I'm saying like there's American itself

overlapping right there's several different like overlapping projects that you could say we might be nearing the end of but um I I think that the point of I think a point of going after Minnesota

um and like you know, you even saw this in the statement that Stephen Miller had made yesterday or two days ago saying like ice agents are virtually immune from anything they do and they won't be stopped by leftist agitators. Like that to me means the state now represents one block of basically capital power in the United States. and it represents one way of capital accumulation. You could call it maybe a sort of like death rattle or death throws, but like it's not interested in a duopoly, like two-party thing anymore. The Democrats are kind of like, we've used the comparison a lot,

but they're kind of like Walter White. Like they're kind of too stupid to realize that like the Republicans have already made their decision. Like they're fucking capping every Democrat that they can find. Like they won a one-party state essentially. I don't mean that in a way, like, they want to be like China or Russia or whatever. I mean that, like, they just don't really see the use in an opposition anymore. Yeah. And I think that Stephen Miller saying that ICE must basically go after leftist agitators,

exact word and phrase he used, means that, like, if you are a conservative who opposes the ICE roundups, like, you don't exist, essentially. In theory, in practice, legally, like, these, you could protest these, I guess, as a person. but it doesn't matter. Like at this point, like you are in power and your, you know, basis desires of your party, of your community or whatever,

will now be enacted and targeted at a certain group of people in this country. And that is a kind of authoritarianism, Nazism, whatever you want to call it. And I think that is a big reason why I am not confident. they are going to have elections

because it's just what the direction they're trending in is ending of any political opposition and we've talked about this obviously like a mass liquidation of at least a solid 15% of the American population both on class and racial terms like right like this is obviously directed

at poor people and it's directed to anybody that's not white yeah and I think that's why they want to Greenland. I've said this before. I think it's why they went, part of the, some parts of this country are going to be uninhabitable due to climate change. You know, we're running out of aquifer water for

like the Midwest or like the plain states. Like, they want like a place up north that they can like build out Lebbins around and shit. Yeah. It's got to be it's going to be Argentino steroids. Mm-hmm. Jesus.

But like, we have a king though, man. Like Machado giving him the Nobel Peace price. Like, that was... That's embarrassing. I mean, hilarious. I mean, you gotta, it's hilarious. She still probably won't get to be the leader of Venezuela, but... Yeah. God damn it, dude.

Just as a final, maybe like, pallet cleanser, literally, or not literally. Why are they obsessed with milk now? Why are they keep pushing whole milk now? Have you seen this? Raw, whole milk. Raw whole milk. the White House. Oh, wait, so it's raw milk?

I didn't see the raw. It might not be raw, but they're obsessed with whole milk, and then I think the raw milk people are adjacent to the corner. Trying to hop on to that? Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe it's,

there's some venal, psychosexual thing there. Trump doing the milk mustache from like those late 90s, early 2000s got milk commercials. I think it's, I genuinely think they look at like the Chinese military, the Chinese army, and they're like, oh, fuck, dude, fuck. Like, we need more, we need warriors.

They're going to try to, like, force Americans to, like, more protein. Yeah, they associate milk with, like, big strapping boys. That's why they've inverted the food pyramid. They wanted us to, like, have as much protein as possible. Not knowing that that actually is going to cause more heart disease. Should be less of that, more of the bottom, but whatever. Well, yeah, dude, it's full steam ahead. It's like Trump, I read an article today in New York Times that, like, they've literally

forbidden the closing of six coal plants. And it's fucking up the electricity production there because, like, these coal plants are old as fuck, and they need, like, millions and billions of dollars in, like, modification and restoration and all this. But now the Trump administration is forcing them. to burn coal when it's not even profitable. She's running at a loss just out of a national. Yeah.

It's crazy, dude. That is, it's, well, you see the big, the big fight back home, another piece that I, that I asked her team when I was telling you about the thing about them putting that grill in jail for 16 years is Angie Hatton's persona non grata in Letcher County now, because she's voted for the rate hike. There's like the PSC voted to give K. or Kentucky Power a 19% rate hike. Interesting.

And so, that's the thing that everybody's, and the ice raids, apparently the ice raids have been raising some eyebrows back home. Are people afford them or against them? Against them, largely against them. You still have a couple of holdouts that are like,

I don't know if you've heard, buddy, but your guy's a pedophile. This isn't a good team to be a part of anymore. You're not a pedophile, are you? But it's funny. It is funny. It's funny that you're exactly right. because Trump is the president for the Lebbins round for the for the you know what do you call

the lumpin the lumpin proles yeah I'm sorry I don't know why it was but he's kind of a president for lumping proles because like the guys that are like defending Trump in the comments are not even like public facing like working guys anymore it's like guys that run like poker games and like you know what I mean you're going to take some heat for that one brother but I do take your point and I think you are he's definitely the president of a lumpin billionaire

I'm talking about like his support like it where his support is coming from I know it's well it's like we it's like I'm not saying he is a president for the no no I get what you're I get what you're saying it's like Adam Johnson pointed out on Twitter like ICE is a paramilitary of the

unemployed that have been right right that's what I'm deputized to terrorize the employed the employed people yeah it's not a position i necessarily agree with fully but they're you know well i do think these ice raids are pretty unpopular did you see this video there was a video going around of this guy who was on the streets of of minneapolis who is like i'm not liberal or conservative i don't vote like i'm not even remotely politically whatever he's like this is fucking tyranny what the fuck is going on dude this is insane have you ever gone out to these sort of things before ever never i've never protested in my life my brother my brother's here he does it all the time i've

never i got dude i like i said i'm far enough away but close enough and i'm sitting my cushy house and look at shit and get mad and i yeah they're just trying to fucking scare people and you know but but but why shoot people my no you know what really pisses me off is the fact that they detain people cuff them and then still beat the shit out of them they tell you it's immigrants only immigrants it's fucking anybody. I have friends that got detained, and all they were doing was fucking driving home from work. What the fuck?

Sounds like you don't fit the definition of the... No, and I'm not fucking paid to be here like everybody fucking says. What the fuck is that? I got to work in the goddamn morning, just like everybody else. I'm just here trying to stand up for community, dude. We're all human beings here. I don't give a shit who you are, where you came from, what color you are. It doesn't fucking matter.

This is wrong. They're activating even the epithes. You know what I'm saying? And you see the polls on this and like the position of abolishing ice is more popular than it's ever been. The polling on Greenland was astonishing. I think 4% of Americans supported it. Like militarily invading Greenland. Like maybe Americans will support it if America just buys Greenland, which is what they're now proposing to do.

They're now proposed being like $800 billion. deal to buy Greenland, which, who knows, maybe the Nazi base will be on board with that. I'm sure they will. But, like, it seems to me, like, most Americans don't support that either. This is what I'm saying. Like, this thing is written with contradictions. It depends on, like, a manpower of a material base of, like, losers, essentially. And Nazi pedophile techno enthusiasts who, like, want to create an all-fascist surveillance

state, but like, I'm... All right, go ahead. Did you see this thing where something that was going around? Some guy had said that Elon Musk was creating these things called Optimus. No. And he's like, basically that he saw like they're trying to get a billion of these off the ground. He said, and they're basically like, maybe like drones or some sort of device or something that he's, and the guy said that basically are going to go.

around the world and do the things that we don't want to do. So basically, like, you know, taking out... I guess, dude, I guess they want to... Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if he was getting at a liquidation thing or whatever. We talked about this being the end of something, I mean, throw this one on the pile, the end of a certain kind of scientific technological paradigm. In a world where, like, you do have the capacity to just, like, send a machine on a

on the other side of the globe and murder somebody, assassinate somebody. We already have that. It seems like the Uberization of drones, basically, predator drones. Right.

Basically, there's two options at that point. That means you either have a solid framework of international law of cooperative member states and courts of law that can, you know, adjudicate violations of such.

Like you have a nuclear system. stuff. Like after we bomb Hiroshima and Nagasaki, it's like, okay, like these nuclear non-proliferation agreements and I don't know to, really what I'm talking about there, but like, yeah, it seems like there was some move in international law to be like, okay, this is not great.

Or the only other alternative is Trump's vision of, I am the backstop of all human morality, there is no international law, I get to decide what it is. So there's only two options once you've reached that kind of technological point, right? It's like,

Like, all states would love the ability to just kill their opposition anywhere they are on the planet. Well, now they have that ability. So it's like, are you going to use it? Or are you going to build out, like we said, like a solid international framework for, like you said, for atomic weapons, like something very similar. Well, you know, I still like our chances, even against in the face of any of that kind of stuff. Because you know what it'll be, man. You know, there will be some hillbilly somewhere figure out how. to like disarm these things using a fucking piece of dental floss or something.

We're already doing that. Here's the thing these billionaires forget. It's almost like a team that pays the luxury tax to get like a super team and get all the superstars on one team is like, yeah, you can do that, but those teams rarely win. So I'm still hopeful about us against them just based on our sheer numbers and, you know, the echo of humanity we still possess. But it is kind of wild that we're letting them run roughshod. And then the other question I have too is like this vision of an America of 70 million,

what Seth are creditors about that? China. Like, you mean you're going to cut their market share by 66%? They probably got something to say about that. Do you know what I mean? Well, the story earlier this week was they posted the largest trading surplus in human history. China do. over for 2025.

Like the tariffs, the United States attempts to limit their markets didn't mean a fucking thing. They, they, in fact, it was a boon to it. Yeah, exactly, it was a boon.

They created new markets in Asia and then they found highly sophisticated ways to like third and fourth party their exports into the United States. So like there's no, there, I mean,

you know, that's a different question of like, economic might and military might and all this, but it just goes to show you that they're about the bag. So I don't know if you saw this, but like there was a betting scandal in the Chinese Basketball Association that some guys got charged,

I guess over there for trying to coordinate it. And one of the guys who was texted one of the co-schemers and said this, and this will go down in history with, I live, I die, live again from Mad Max Fury Road, all the great quotes of history. Nothing guaranteed in this world,

but death, taxes, and Chinese basketball. Wasn't the funny story from that was that they pulled like a $300,000 bet on like Ball State or something? There was another like NCAA match fixing thing. I think there was a couple of like, batting scandals.

Oh, this was a different one. Yeah, I think this was about the Chinese Basketball Association. It's like that meme with Adam Silver, the NBA commissioner, like when a player gets in trouble, like, get ready to learn Chinese, buddy. I think you would behoove us all to get to have some basic competency in Mandarin. Well, I think it, um, the crucial question is like, do they want to, uh, construct a, like we said, a kind of like robust, thorough framework for international law.

And obviously they do for various, for a few economic developmentalist programs, like belt and road and all this, like they want access to certain markets. They want to keep their alliances with Iran and a few others, but do they also want to run the game like the United States did in the 20th century. And I don't know, I guess we'll see, but like I'm,

I think on a long enough timeline, what's that? I said it might just behoove them not to. I think in a long enough timeline, they, as well as Mexico, as, you know, several other of these states that practice of similar kind of state capitalism will eventually succumb. By the year, you're going to take some heat for that one. Well, I mean, I think Mexico is like probably on the same developmentalist path. They're at the same point on that path that the United States was in the 20th century.

They've got like some surplus and some social political will to actually build out a civic society and a robust welfare state and all this. I think eventually though the contradictions of that will bring to the. the surface right wing elements, you know, reactionary elements because that's kind of the, yet you have to fucking kill the, you have to cut up the goddamn thing from its root,

root and branch. And, that's a big undertaking. I just got a text, speaking of, Aaron Thorpe, report from the field saying that CNN was talking about the point shaving scandal

and the commentator contributed it to China. Like said, that the Chinese state, the CPP was, fault here, which is hilarious because it's like, it's like a classic case of us, like, we've decided we're a gambling economy. And so they must be, right? And it's like, those guys are not even thinking about a fucking CBA point shaving scandal.

Well, that's a great comparison because like, why would they need to? But it's funny that like all we have to grasp at with them with their propaganda now, they've so thoroughly beaten us is trying to say that a sports league point shaving scandal was at key, you could tie it right back to G. we're pathetic. Like, it's embarrassing where we're at. Fat rapist pedophile game show host just unleashing the hordes in the street and thinking that like, you know, the next great powers of the world who have already been here for a long goddamn time to and weathered a lot of shit too,

think that like our logic applies to them to. You know, here's what I take comfort from, man. I'm really not, I'm pretty bullish this week. I'm not really like, I'm pretty optimistic. Because like Trump can go around the world, and we can close out soon. I got to go, I got to go to the doctor. I have some mysterious object in my eye

that I have to like look at. What if they take it out and now all of a sudden you're dumber again? What if that foreign body is the optimism body? They asked me if I suffered head trauma recently, is like, no, they were like, this is very rare to see in a guy your age. Anyways, anyway, so

I'll go you're fucked in the head, sir. We don't usually see it this early. Trump can go around the world, strong arming these deals, strong arming nations into accepting things, getting Machado to give him his Nobel prize, trying to bully the people

of Minneapolis, you know, scapegoat various communities. You know, in his mind, he's untouchable, and nothing will ever bring him down because he is the god king. But I just want to point out, a single brave worker on the floor of the Ford plant in Detroit managed to get under his skin for, you know, just a few minutes, man. Like, when he yelled at him, called him a pedophile protector. And you could tell, like, it pissed Trump up.

Trump, in that moment, did something that is the domain of weaklings and people who have no other recourse, which is that he flipped him off. Trump, the most powerful man on the planet had no response to that. Fliped off an auto worker. Yeah, just to say, fuck you and flipped off. And got him sent home for the day or something. Exactly. Exactly. So, I mean, like, that gives you, that should tell you everything you need to know. The international system is completely bogus. The entire capitalist world economy is run by naves, fools, sycophants, cowards. You know what I mean? And like, you can get one over on this guy.

Like he is. You saw the weakness. Yeah, dude. I mean, I hate to say it because, you know, it's like, I know like all the right wing people that have been spurned by him, like love to get online and say, release the files, release the files. but it also is the only thing that does visibly get under his skin. Yeah.

You can call him a crook till you're blue in the face, but he's proud to be a crook, you know. Yeah. The only thing he's vaguely worried about is being immortalized as a diddler. So, I don't know.

Well, all right. Well, that's everything for today. Pray for me, pray for my eye. We'll see what happens. I mean, luckily for you guys, I don't need an eye to do this program, really. Although, I guess I need to. You could do it blind, couldn't you? I guess I could.

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