Trillbilly Worker's Party - Episode 428: Carneyval

Episode Date: January 23, 2026

We cover Trump vs Carney at Davos, the lib and middle powers' markets reaction to it all, and why no matter how bad America sucks we'll never let the Dutch talk down to us. Support us: https://www.patreon.com/c/trillbillyworkersparty

Water bill and how like I don't know if this is the case for you guys but like over the last few days we've been dealing with trying to like get our daughter on Medicaid and the and I dealt with this when I first moved back to Kentucky a few years ago trying to establish that I was who I was to the government bureaucracy and the way nowadays, the way that they determine the validity of your identity, who you say you are, the way you establish this to the federal government is not through the

federal government itself, who issues you the Social Security card, it's through a third-party credit rating agency. That's who determines who your identity is now, at least in Kentucky. You have to essentially go through a third-party credit rating

agency and they can basically objectively, quote unquote, verify to the... Like Equifax or like TransUnion, like those outfits. Exactly. That's how they verify who you say you are who you say you are. That's like a weird ontological thing, right?

It's like at this point, what backstops your identity is not the federal government. It's your ability to be a debt-holding and debt-owning, like, citizen. Right.

And like you mentioned too earlier a second ago, aren't these companies always having, like, there's always some data breach or something. And there's always some data breach. And that's the thing. Like, they do this. The stated objective, the reason they do this, and it's so hard to, like, get an account on, for example, KWAT Connect, like our affordable Care Act marketplace in Kentucky, which used to be great 10 years ago. And then Matt Bevin took a fucking Malay-like chainsaw to it. it. But, like, they do this.

The reason they do this is they say they're protecting your identity. But, like, you're right. Like, they have fucking security breaches all the time. Well, or the security breach is coming from inside the house. Like, did you guys see this thing about Doge using a third party agency, like cloud flare or something that got all of our social security numbers, essentially? Did y'all hear of them? Oh, my fucking God. No, I didn't hear about that.

At this point, dude, I just, whoever wants to be me. can be me. Who the fuck would want to be me? I've never worried about identity theft. It's like... Let me ask you guys a question, though. I went to the... I don't know. I didn't, I don't know if this is just a thing in Georgia, but I went to the post office to mail something. And there was this guy talking to one of the people behind the counter at the post office. And he wanted to renew his passport. And she was telling him that he had to mail in, not a copy, but his actual birth certificate to the federal government. And everybody in the post office online was just kind of looking around like, what the fuck? And the guy was like, wait, you mean, I can't just make a copy.

I have to like actually physically send in my physical actual real birth certificate. And I was just thinking, I mean, like, man, what if like the mail truck blows up or some shit or it just gets lost or something like that? And you're just ass out, dude. You were never born. You were never born. You're a non-person. At that point, you get to become an assassin legally. Like, you are no longer on the identity roles and so you get to become a hitman an assassin yeah and you can go off the grid I guess

my birth certificate sad under father it just doesn't say anything and it's like and when I was a little bit older I was like man that's like I can have fun with that I can tell like everybody my dad's Warren Beatty

I can just write it in there myself I love that eight year old you knew who Warren Beatty was Bonnie and Clyde's my favorite movie or reds that's a good warren video that you know that is true it's like it's like i don't know if you guys seem like this uptick in like these like chinese accounts on instagram that are like it's just like these like sort of influencers they're just talking about how much better china is than america and they make some cogent points by the way but it's all like they say stuff like

you do realize you were not born to be a debt slave right uh-huh they're can't wrap their head around the idea that like we're only as good as like a credit score and stuff and at the same time like our propaganda out of the imperial core is like can you believe they want to a social credit score in china which one was like mostly horseshit right but two it's like what are you talking about here like terence's daughter can't even get on medicaid without without registering as a potential uh peon well no that's not even just it's anybody it's like when I was doing, when I went through this too and I moved back to Kentucky, it's like

you for whatever reason can't establish that you are who you say you are unless you officially mediate it through a third party credit. It's like who makes them the authority, though, to validate your like personhood though? That's what I'm saying.

It's like, that's what I'm saying. It's like it's no longer mediated through the government. It's mediated. through like this essentially like this whole industry that basically your worth is determined by like your credit worthiness right like how well you can repay your debts i assume and how and how and how much in hock you can get into them uh before you become an absolute risk yeah right that's it isn't it weird that the american dream is it i mean which you know it's anybody's sort of an amorphous idea.

You know, it means different things, different people. But for the most part, it's predicated on the fact that you will become a debt slave for most of your life. Now, there's different degrees of that. You can be, like, you know, one who, you know, is a good steward over that, but you still lack the autonomy.

You don't, like, really own your home until it's paid off. You know what I mean? Like, you still have, like, a level of precarity in your life, even if you, like, more or less have it to, together and then there's you know people like me who are you know just oh everybody in the damn country and you know it's like I look at these like 30 year mortgage yields and I'm just like oh I will never own a home unless I like sell a movie or something like I have to like do something that's a very outlier thing to make money if I'm ever going to have like what a guy

working in a factory would have had like you know 60 years ago or something you know Right, right. No, man, it's like, it's like with me, I mean, I've been getting bills, hospital bills, which I guess got passed on to a collection agency for like the past couple years now since the car accident. And that's like over $10,000. You know what I mean? Like I won't, I won't be able to pay that off like in any reasonable amount of time. And then now apparently, this never happened to Biden. I don't know if this is a Trump thing or if it was just, if it had just ended. under Trump, but now I'm getting letters about defaulting on my student loans, you know? Yeah. You know, and it's just like, dude, what the fuck, man? Like, how much money do y'all want me to give you, God damn it, you know? To be a person. Any veteran of the, who's been on the business end of the collection agency racket for years,

you kind of realize that dad is just kind of horseshit anyway. Because if you just dick them off for long enough, like, they'll try to cut a deal with you. they'll be like, okay, what about if you just gave us half? You know what I mean? And then we'll do this. What if you gave us your firstborn? And then they would try to like work with you on like how it's reported to the credit agency. They'll be like, well, here's what we'll do.

If you pay us half, we'll report it as the debt settled, but it'll still be on your credit report for three years. And it's like this weird arbitration from some dickhead who basically just bought an Excel spreadsheet off another dickhead. You know what I mean with your name on it? It doesn't really mean anything. anything. Everything in American life. And I feel like this week in particular, because you know, the libs are all sort of like busting a nut over Mark Carney,

just like saying some like marginally like things, you know, some things that we sort of, you know, agree with like for the most part, even though this guy was like the governors of both the Bank of England and Canada, and work for Goldman's sex, by the way. So like, you can draw a straight line to him

and the people who've got us in this mess largely. You know. But it's like, I feel like a lot of people are just kind of realizing that like the sort of flimsiness of American life and like how like our institutions aren't institutions because they're good institutions. I think like Matt Christman said it's like they're institutions because they serve the wealthy. And then you start seeing how they play fast and loose with it and you just realize that the whole thing is kind of made up, which is like a trap point for a leftist. But like I'm seeing like normally people be like, oh, like I really don't. none of this really means much of anything, you know? Right. You know what I've been seeing a lot of,

especially with the ice raids in Minnesota, is that you're seeing a lot of liberals, and I guess they did this during Trump's first term too, but suddenly they're all talking about the Constitution and the rule of law and stuff. And it's just like, dude, like, y'all need to, I mean, I'm, of course, as the leftist, this is, again, a tri-point, as you said, Tom would probably make, but, I mean, those institutions and that hallowed document, I mean, it's just, it's all smoke. mirrors, you know what I mean? It's all bullshit. Everybody really kind of knows that, you know. Like, if this shit existed in the first place, you know, why, why, if it existed in the first place and it was actually used, right, to, to, I don't know, just respect people's lives,

dignity and whatnot, you know what I mean? This shit wouldn't be happening in the fucking first place, you know? If we actually honored any of that shit, this wouldn't be happening, you know? So it just kind of goes to show you that it's just a bunch of bullshit, man. Yeah. It really is, dude. Well, um, yeah, I mean. I mean, that's maybe a good way to start getting into it. I mean, it's, it's, the world wants regime change in America. I don't know if you guys have noticed this, but like,

there's just been an uptick on my social media in general of like accounts and TikToks, in reels and tweets and whatnot, Reddit posts of people being like Americans, it's time to rise up and overthrow. You know what I mean? Like you see people around the world like really wrestling or working through this problem of like, are Americans all complicit? Like you,

and that is kind of the gist of what I've seen. Like you're all shit, blah, blah, blah, which is all things that we've been saying about Israelis for, you know, years. But now they're saying it about Americans and it's like, yeah, I mean, that's true. It's fair. That's what we've said over and over for the past two and a half, almost three years now, that, like, America's not really that much different than Israel.

At least like... Which happens to be our only friend in the world right now, it feels like. Yeah. Well, you know... Oh, man, you're in a bad spot. If you're right, the only place you have to turn to is Israel. Well, we've got our other friends on the board of peace. Bahrain, Morocco, Argentina, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Bulgaria, Hungary, Indonesia, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kosovo, Pakistan, Paraguay, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, UAE, Uzbekistan, and Mongolia.

So that's, those are our friends right now on the Board of Peace. A murderers row, if you will. Yeah, I wouldn't, wouldn't call that a Justice League, you know. It seems the exact opposite. Yeah, you just make it out, yeah, the Justice League of like Gulf states, you know, who have, you know, still have slavery and stuff like that. The United States. And, yeah, and then I just saw Benjamin Netanyahu is, you know, been named to the board, too.

So I'm not sure that. Well, I don't hold much hope for that pan. You got an interesting, you got a really funny headline out of that because, Nanyahu said he won't be going to Switzerland to sign the Board of Peace documents because there's currently an arrest warrant out for him in Switzerland from the International Criminal Court for doing genocide in Gaza. So he can't go sign the Board of Peace because he's a war criminal. Dude, it's a similar dynamic, I think, with the Nobel Peace Prize thing.

You know what I mean? like essentially like the opposition leader in Venezuela gave Trump the Nobel Peace Prize so that he could wage war you know what I mean it's just really really fucking weird dude

oh yeah yeah I mean Trump himself I don't know I guess we're already getting we're casting a very wide net because these are all things I wanted to talk to and we're all just hitting on them kind of very

I don't know, you know, lightly, but maybe we can dig into them a little deeper here in a minute. But, like, yeah, I mean, you're speaking of the Nobel Peace Prize, like Trump had sent the Norwegian, I think Prime Minister, a letter, essentially saying that, like, his Joker moment was when he didn't get the Nobel Peace Prize. You know, he said he hated the Nobel Peace Prize, but he wanted it, and that's the reason why he's going to get Greenland now, and he's doing a Board of Peace.

And no one stopped as many wars as him. and I mean it's we've talked about it before you know it's kind of included in your metaphor Aaron of the inside out skin suit but it's like everything is kind of inverted so you know you're getting

trading Nobel Peace prizes to basically warrant bombing campaigns and invasions and wars you're you're having war criminals signed the Board of Peace right Jared Kushner's out there talking about a master plan for Gaza and, you know, great investment opportunities in the Gaza Strip.

And I don't know, but like to get back to what I was saying a second ago, like, I mean, it's been interesting watching people around the world kind of try to metabolize or work through this idea that like Americans are all shit. Like they are all like disgusting, selfish, you know, air. arrogant, belligerent, you know, it's the burger, right? Suspicious. Paranoid, hostile. I mean, it's like all the things, they say we are.

But it's just, I get the impression, and I'm not saying this in a live 2016 way. I'm saying it like in a sense, like, you got this from Mark Carney, who went out and basically, in my opinion, gave the orthodox. liberal international order, right? Like, he's the true bearer of the international order. Like, Trump is a deviationist, the revisionist. A finance criminal. By the way. Finance criminal, right.

Like, I kind of get the idea, like, I'm feeling like the West is trying to color revolution in the United States now. I feel like they're trying to see descent. They're trying to go dissent to taking up arms. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that they're trying to, like, do regime change, man. But it's like, I mean, hey, I'm, you know, I, I, I don't have any hope that it's going to turn out well.

Let me ask me all this. I'm sorry, go ahead. No, no, no, no. I just wanted to know, like, in this scenario, I just wanted to know which countries and what version of their own CIA sort of agencies, organizations are actually in the United States, you know? Canada. Yeah, what is the M.I.6 is like, what do they do?

They just like walk around the streets of Kalamazoo, like. It's like that show, the Americans. You know, mate, things are mighty bad. It's like that show the Americans, but it's Canadians, and they're just talking in American accents, but they just barely have to tweak their... It's like the Swiss. Whatever, whatever agency the Swiss has or some shit like that.

Uh-huh. Let me ask you all this, okay? We plow our craft and make our living, like shit-talking America, essentially, every week and pointing out the problems and trying to at least to, degree think about like how things can get better. But is there like just a part of you that just gets like like a little pissy when like

Germans want to moralize to you or like, you know, or it's like it's like, okay big boy. Like you live in a place that doesn't even have fucking guns. Shut up. You know what I mean? It's like it's starting fomenting a revolution here is not just a piece of cake when you have cops that can just kill you with like no fucking. You know what I mean? And like, yes, I get part of the revolutionary mentality is that you kind of have to suspend like fears about things like that.

But this is a pretty big task. And also, yeah, there's also almost half a billion fucking people. Well, this is kind of what I'm getting at. It's like, okay, let's say like that's what you want. Like I saw a large, a long tweet from some Dutch guy about like. Well, then that's, I'm going to tell you just right now. That's the last fucking type of person on Planet Earth. I'm going to listen to the fucking Dutchman.

Look, no, I'll accept all their priors about how shitty Americans are. I'm not in any fucking... Yeah, we're on the same page about that. And I'll accept all their priors about how shitty America itself is, structurally. Yeah. But what I, what I bristle at a little bit

is the idea that, like, they, it's this idea that like, oh, we're just going to do it by ourselves and then you'll reap all the benefits. It's like, okay, okay, Like basically in their schematic, what they want is for us to put someone in charge who's not going to molest the money. And it's just like, okay, if that's what you want, put up a little bit of fucking cash up front. If this is a negotiation, I need some reassurance that you're going to have our backs.

If you want us to do capital D, do capital S something, I need a little reassurance that you're going to, let's say, I don't know, invade key ports of America that like you can essentially protect and essentially, give us, also grant us immunity and or amnesty if things go bad or whatever. You know what I'm saying? It's like what is the fucking negotiation here? Like if this is a negotiation you want to sit here and talk about like us

overthrowing our fucking government or whatever. The reason we don't is because we ostensibly like, you know, I don't know. This is a very, this opens up a whole bigger conversation about like what we're capable of doing like who is on our side. Right. If people, how defeated people

may be where they don't even see the possibility of changing anything by themselves, you know? Yeah, I just, I just, yeah, what I bristle at is the, but this, this shows you how bottom of the barrel everything is, honestly. Like, genuinely, like, what I found very amusing about people sort of glazing Mark Carney

was like, what he is articulating is just literally the liberal international order. He's not, he wasn't articulating something anti-that. He wasn't articulating a new vision It was an orthodox vision of what it was. That's orthodox like Obama era vision. No, no, even before that, it was post-World War II. It was like Bretton Woods essentially.

It's like Marshall Plan. So it's like, okay, then that means in this schematic, again, this is how fucking absolutely bleak and bottom of the barrel everything is. But essentially, like Trump has started trying to do something with the board. Board of Peace that in my opinion he's, and I said this to you the other day, Tom, to me the Board of Peace is very reminiscent of ICE in the sense that it conscripts Global South washouts, anti-communists or whatever from like, because look at who's in ice, dude. It's like there's some white people, but it's a lot of non-white people in ice.

And it's the same thing with the Board of Peace. He like conscripts like a lot of these like non-European nations, and to basically go on the offensive against the enlightened liberal order, in which case, in both cases, the main sort of standard bearers of those things are white nations. Or in America, it's people like Jacob Fry or Tim Walts. It's a very, in my opinion, like, revanchist, bleak nihilist kind of white supremacy. It's really bleak. Right. Yeah, yeah. I don't know, I don't really know how to articulate it. I mean, I guess you just did, but it's like you're deputizing black and brown people, you know what I mean? Yeah. Like the same people, this to terrorize communities filled with those same exact people, you know, it's just like it's really cynical.

Well, look at the Nazi Avengers that went viral this week. It was like, you know, they all went out, had a big night out at the club, and it was like the Tate brothers, Nick Flantis. And it's like you got a gay half-mexican virgin Two half-black sex criminals who are like in living in Romania right now You know, it's like yeah the Nazi Avengers are all like PEOC You know that in that little thing Now that's not everybody of course No, I know right. It's not as it's not a simple enough thing to just call it like white supremacy

And it's like Aaron you say the old adage like skim folks it necessarily can folks. Right. And, you know, that's, you know, certainly true with a lot of the stuff that, you know, at least that we see, you know, for it, which like kind of fucks people's heads up. You know what I mean? But if you have a class analysis, it makes total sense. Right, right.

I mean, it kind of just reminds me of, I guess, sort of maybe what Josh Hawley and people like him were talking about with the civic nationalism, you know, it's like, it's sort of like this delineation of like, or maybe I don't know, it's murky because anyone can be an American, but not really, though, you know. But you can be an American by, I don't know, maybe by going out there and terrorizing a black or brown community, you know what I mean? Maybe you can become an American by, I don't know, supporting foreign wars, you know. But that's how you get to become an American, right?

Not through just the fact of the virtue of the fact that you were born here, right? Yeah. Or even that you're just white, you know. I mean, I have some friends in Minneapolis. I don't know if you'll remember this, but like, a week ago, I think it was like literally the day after Regine Good was murdered, there was another shooting. Like, I shot some more people.

And they hightled it out of there because the community started to descend on them, and they left a bunch of shit. One of the things they left was their IDs. And one of my friends sent me a photo of their IDs. And yeah, it was this, you know, It was a non-white guy. It was a black guy. His name was, like, I don't, I guess,

maybe I should dox him. I don't know it off the top of my head. I guess I could try to get my photo real. But it just goes to show you, right? Like, these are Stormtrooper SS guys right next to, like, POC. And I think it's like, there are a lot of different ways to kind of, like, unpack that. But it's, to me, like, what I think structurally is going on,

both at that kind of smaller level and the global level is basically like Trump sees a very expeditious or expedient way of attacking the liberal order, whether it's like at the small municipal level or cultural level or at the global international level. It's just like, and I think that like what is so bleak to me about that is it uses a lot of the same tenets and assumptions of liberal, liberaldom, like multiculturalism, for example,

and kind of turns it on its head into this very nihilist vision. It's, I don't know, I may have not done a very good job, because I don't even know how I feel about all this or what my critique is here. I just think it's interesting. While you're mulling that,

let me get back to the Dutch for a minute. Please. So here's the thing, there's like, I've been thinking about this a lot lately, because there's just something that, like, when like Euro types try to tee off on Americans and it's like oh we're all fat and we like dress terribly

and like this that and the third and it's like like the thing about dressing terribly like really drives me nuts because I've never seen one European that I like the average European that I thought was like oh yeah they're like really serving what they're like that you got that shit on. Armani exchange t-shirts and fucking fake Ameri jeans and shit

I will say McCrone's glasses aviator glasses at Davos those were balling brother. Okay, well, I mean, there are some well-dressed people in Europe. That's just a stupid thing to say. But I'm talking about, like, how they, like, try to cast the, like, the average American dress

is better than the average European by a factor of 10. And I'm sorry, it's just an inconvenient reality. You're going to have to look in the eye. I mean, we invented blue jeans, brother. I don't even know, I don't know how Europeans dress. And in my opinion, in my mind, I thought they were still dressing, like, you know how, like, they'll say something like, you can always spot an American over here.

It's like, motherfucker, like, y'all are just hiding in plain side over here with your fucking fake Gucci t-shirts and your fucking pumas. I didn't mean to turn this into European hate hour. I'll take any chance I can't get at that. To hate on the Dutchman. I just, I think what we're getting at it. Now, the Italians kind of got it going on. The British got to have it going on. The French got to have it going on.

But I just not going to take that kind of shit from the Dutch and the fucking. The Germans. You know. And Swiss? Sorry. Yeah. Yeah, I can't. Yeah, I guess I guess you're right.

I can't abide Belgians, Germans, or Dutch trying to tell me what to do. Yeah. Just not in the cards. Especially the Germans. I mean, the architects of one of the most horrific things in the 20th century. Yeah. Yeah. I guess wherever it goes.

going with all this. Sorry, anyway, we're talking about Europe's many crimes, both real and fashion. But I guess where we're going with all this is just that it rings a little hollow. But I think the point is, is, maybe it would be best to just reconstruct the events of the last week or so. Maybe that would be a better, more elucidating way to talk about this rather than, like, uh... Rather than me bagging on Euro trash for the next day. Grumpy Crink Unk Radio Hour. But, okay.

It's been another momentous week in American political life, but also global political life. But like, where this all started was Trump announced last week, at the end of last week, this is his MO by this point. We're a year into this.

thing, and you can actually see the way he does this. It's the same pattern every single time, whether it's tariffs or in this case now trying to acquire Greenland. What he does is makes it insanely incendiary or a really like sort of scary threat up front. In this case, it was like, we're going to take Greenland no matter what anyone says, no matter what the Danish say. But he also does this with tariffs. He usually does it at the end of the week. He usually does it on a Friday so that when the Stark market inevitably tanks, he on Monday can come back in and start walking it back down to a reasonable position. I like, everyone's like the art of the deal. It's like this is just like basically, we pointed this out before. Like if you're a madman,

like the art of the deal is basically like, I'm just going to blow myself up and everyone here. And Everyone can then bargain you down to like... It's a long-term plan that we have, you know... What did he say about Greenland this week? Somebody asked him, Point Blank, or you're taking invasion of Greenland off the table, and he goes, it's a long-term deal.

He just totally sidestep the question. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, like, and so he did this... The Greenland thing actually had the tariffs thing in it. he comes out and says we're taking or we're taking Greenland no matter of what anyone says Greenland or Europe reacts

negatively obviously Trump says well if you don't go along with it we're going to hit a 200% tariff on every European country Europe basically freaks out and says I mean like dude

Europe holds everyone talks about China holding a lot of US treasuries. I'm pretty sure that Europe holds more, collectively speaking, Europe holds more debt, more American debt than even China. I think, like, Japan holds maybe the largest, and they sold off a ton of fucking treasuries this week, which completely has freaked out global market. But, um, yeah. And I had that on my list for us to talk about it, if you want to talk about it.

But I think the, um, but then like what had happened was, You even had at one point Deutsche Bank saying that they were going to start selling off American assets, which I have to tell you, if you're a homeowner or a potential homeowner in this country, is not a good sign. That's no way, though. Damn, is everybody just washing their hands? I think that's the thing. That kind of.

Yeah. I think what it is, it's like for a while, the international order has been trying to figure out, like, what would a post-American world look like? not just militarily, but economically. Right. What would happen if we started cutting it out of the global finance markets, asset markets and all this? It's like you saw the reason Mark Carney was, you know,

filling himself was because he finally cut a deal with China to allow some EV cells in Canada, which was a big deal because apparently Canada kidnapped the daughter of a Chinese industrialist a few years ago. like 2021 or so, and that really... He needed to kind of gloss that over a little bit with... Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, it was a big deal because people were like,

they'll never come back together. Like, the relationship is too sour. But Carney has started to make some overtures to China. They're allowing Chinese EVs to be sold in Canada, not a lot, but some. You had McCrone saying at Davos, Europe needs to start looking at a lot, allowing Chinese exports in, or more Chinese experts in anyway.

And so I think that's the thing. People are like, okay, if we're going to do this, how would we do it? They've now got the rhetorical, they've now sort of like broken the rhetorical seal on this in the sense that they've had Mark Carney go out and say, you know, it's a new world order. The liberal international order was a lie. It was based on a benevolent lie. You're like, it's a new world order, but it's basically the old world order.

Yeah, essentially, yeah. That's what I say, it's orthodox. It's like, no, we're upholding the true new world order. The true new world order. They're doing some 33rd degree Masonic stuff on that ass. Yeah. This is what you thought it was, but this is what it really is. But yeah, back to the timeline.

Trump then says, okay. Here's the deal. We'll buy Greenland for $700 billion. That's what their offer was. Is that a real number that he says? Is that a real number? $700 billion. Which, you know, I don't know, not an economist.

I don't know how this stuff works. I almost feel like wouldn't that kind of, wouldn't that collapse the entire global economy? But how do you even quantify that, though? how do you quantify that price? Yeah, did somebody have a team sitting down working on that? Like, thinking about, like, everything that, like, all their minerals and this and that and the third. Industry and shit.

And, like, the cost of, like, paying off all the Greenlanders and stuff like that. Or did he just, like, come up with that ballpark figure in his head? That sounds about right. Probably a little bit of both, if I had to guess. But, you know, they threw that out there. England, Germany, Denmark, all sending troops to Greenland. I think in the case of England and Germany, it was only like a couple. But even then it was...

Well, I mean, when you're talking about troops, we're basically talking about 40 dudes between all those guys. Yeah, yeah. Not just one guy. We sent one troop. I think the Dutch actually sent exactly one guy. Just to say we did it. I don't think that doth not an army make.

That's an emissary. It's Dutch Rambo, okay? the most badass motherfucker they could find in the Netherlands. They're like, this guy could take on an army. He's descended directly from the boy that stuck his finger in the dock and saved Holland. He's like shirtless

with bandoliers across his chest and like a bear, like coat or some shit like that. Uh-huh. But, um, okay, so like, this is all happening at the same time of Davos and the World Economic Forum. Um, there's been a lot of

speculation on this. like people, the libs, they are of the opinion that this is, you know, Trump's like late stage, dementia, basically kicking into gear. And I'm inclined to believe some of that. It is, obviously we are at a, I mean, I, he is doling. That is true. At a speech. And Davos, he kept mixing up Greenland and Iceland. Like, this is, the guy is, you know, brand-in-ing. He's Bidening very hard. He's, yeah.

But like, you know what? I saw, go ahead. You go. I was just going to say, I saw Josh Olson say something on Twitter that it's a shame that Democrats tried to convince people for years that Biden wasn't on the mental decline. Because now it's hard for anyone to take them seriously when they point out Trump's own mental decline, you know. Yeah. Well, that's part of, like, everything.

every argument you could make about Trump's fitness was nullified by the Brandon years because like it was fine when it was your guy but now that it's this like madcap that's in there like a fucking monkey running across the control board it's like you can't say anything because you all were sitting there like telling everybody with straight face that Joe Biden was of sound mind right yeah I he could serve four more years I think that there is some of that for sure like he is obviously demented. There's no doubt about it. However, I also think that if this had happened when he was 10 years younger, it would be the exact same. Because what have we said before? Everybody has

had that friend who is a habitual line steper. And if you keep letting someone get away with something, it's like they're going to fucking take, the conclusion they take from that is like, oh, I can do anything I want. You know what I mean? There are no rule. There are no consular. I can buy green money. Yeah. That's what I mean, it's just, you know, obviously, like, we're going into the midterm year and you see all this stuff like, it's time to admit the resistance lips were right.

It's like, I'm sorry, but like, as you said, a second ago, Tom, it rings pretty hollow when they essentially like, you know, held up this guy who was also rapidly declining. But also, Trump is a creation of. of liberal paralysis. Like, he is a creation of liberal inaction. Like, they have done nothing to stop him. And so what is, what conclusion is he supposed to take from that? I mean, he's a fucking narcissist, you know, rapist pedophile.

Like, he doesn't take no for an answer. Like, if you don't fucking bring that person to heal and tell them that there are consequences for their actions, they're going to keep doing stuff like this. I mean, don't you, don't you, wouldn't you also think, too, that in continuously encouraging that would give him, if he doesn't already have one, it probably does. Wouldn't confer like some godlike complex on him where he just feels like, yeah, he feels like that he's either that or he feels that he's been blessed or ordained, you know, by a higher power, by destiny or fate. I'm not saying that this is how he thinks. But just the way he behaves, you know, it's almost like he thinks he's untouchable.

Exactly. It's, in his mind, he is a deity. well I've said it before in his mind we all live in his mind like he is the main character and he's not wrong most of the time

like the global liberal the global order is so more abundant it's so devoid of any vision or meaning that like a guy like this can essentially ride to the top of it I mean

it says it's honestly it's more of an indictment on Democrats and European liberals, than it is him, in some ways. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, he's a creation.

Yeah, like you said, of their paralysis, and they're like, you know, if you want to cast aspersions about what Americans will and won't put up with, it's like you all put up with this for a long time until he started saber-rattling about Greenland. Right. And put up with it and also tried to normalize it

because I think, I mean, you saw this even in the first term, more so now. But it's like this initial show, shock, you know, and like, revulsion, I guess, and, like, outrage. And then they try to normalize it because he's the president of the United States, right? And just the dignity of that office just means that in the rule of law and the fact that people voted for him just means that, okay, we got to take this guy seriously. Yeah. I don't, I mean, again, plenty of theories

abound as to, like, what is a foot here, like, both structurally and at the sort of micro political level, but I don't know. I mean, is this tension that we've gotten at many times over the last fucking nine years now, whatever, that like how much of this is designed, how much of it is like some ninth dimensional chest, how much of it is, you know, the true Project 2025 playbook. And then how much of it is the whims of one man who's just, you know, riding the waves of a book of global events that like no one really cares to do anything about or you know I I don't know it's just it seems to me that right like because this is another thing

um you know it's very interesting how what's going on in Minnesota in Minneapolis is like genuinely you could say it's worse than the events that sparked 1776 by a magnitude by an order of like a hundred like it's a million times worse than fucking attacks on tea and stamps

but seems quite back in pairs yeah and the fact that we have like a Boston massacre every week now like and so you ask this question like well why are we not doing anything about it. We are.

I don't mean that in the sense that like because like listen to our episode about Minneapolis. Like people are doing something about it for sure. But like why is it not picking up a sort of national momentum and center of gravity?

Like why? And you see Europeans and other people wrestling with this like why are Americans like content to just like why is the American public not stepping in and doing anything about this? and it's like again there's all kinds of different reasons for that material cultural sociological but i do think a big factor in that is like as a general rule i feel like it's harder to articulate a positive

vision of something in the wake of something that's dying you know what i'm saying like if you track the whole trajectory from 1776 to now yeah yeah the fact that people like protested king george for something that was like a 10th as as bad as what ICE is doing. As bad as what we have now. But like now we can't really, like we are kind of just paralyzed. We're like,

or at least we have not really figured out how to scale up the operation to something that would change things at the larger structural level. I feel like it speaks to how exhausted we already are ideologically. Like, it's just like if the thing failed, why would we want to do something like that again?

Like, right. And like, we know, we're not going the communist route, right? Like, we know, like, that's not happening. Like, they've made it abundantly clear. Right, right. Not even getting democratic socialism. So, like, that, but at the same time, like, American democratic capitalism seems to be dead.

So, like, what's left really is the neo-confederate vision, right? It's like the KKK, um, neo-confederate vision where they're just like, yeah, let's just settle old scores. Let's do old school. I was thinking about that because Trump, did you just get to see this like England said that it was, going to give back this set of islands to the original inhabitants, like last week. I don't remember what islands they were. How magnanimous of them. Yeah, and Trump said, that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

Trump was like, why would they do that? And to a guy like Trump, that does make sense, like, why he would think that. It's just like, these guys only know brutality. They only know force and theft. So, like, to... Gangster reason. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, I mean, that's the...

But that's kind of what they want. They want to return to that, like, before there was... was any liberal sheen on anything and you had to obey or follow a guideline or framework of morality and law? I think the funniest thing that I saw were liberals who were, I think, I don't remember what states. Maybe it was like something like the Louisiana Purchase or other territories that formerly weren't a part of the United States. And I just saw a lot of liberals like trying to like say like, okay, well that was fine, but this isn't though. You know what I mean? And it's just kind of that through line, I guess, of just imperialism, you know, of just like you mentioned, that sort of brutality, you know, just theft. But it's, again, but it's despite the fact that American history is built up upon that theft, you know, it's okay. It was okay then, but it's not okay when Trump is doing it in this way, you know, in this fashion. I think, I think part of it, too, is how they've, like, transposed their values onto us. Like, you know, something that, you know, something that.

we've talked about and that I've seen going around, you know, and stuff like that is like, oh, for the last 20 years, everybody's been flying the don't tread on me flags and stockpiling their guns. But when the rubber hits the road and their rights are trampled on, like, they just don't do shit. Now, part of that is just like the racist component we're talking about. It's like, well, it's their standard bearer in there. So like, of course, I'm not going to make too much of a fuss about that. But the other part about it is is don't tread on me has nothing to do with rights. it has to do with property. And that goes back to what they're talking about

when they're transposing their values onto us. Have you all noticed that you can point out to your blue in the fucking face to somebody about how they're getting fucked over in terms of their civil rights and like, you know, their free speech rights as Americans and these different things that have been thoroughly eroded in the Trump era.

But if you were to just put your fucking pinky toe on their driveway, they would be ready to blow your fucking head. off. Do you know what I mean? Like that's like that's the American value. Like America is essentially when you understand it as a real estate scheme and a land grab that was achieved through very violent means genocide of the Native Americans and all these different things. Like you understand like, oh, that's where our values lie. It's not necessarily in free speech. Like all this other stuff is window dressing to paper over genocide and all slavery and all of our original sins. Right. but really what we care about is property acquisition, land acquisition.

I mean, that's why, and these things are made more magnified when you have the real estate president who made his bones as a real estate guy and all the gangster shit that comes with acquiring all that stuff. So you have to understand like that's the American mindset. And whether we even are cognizant of that or not, that is the truth. Like people, the only thing people get homicidally, angry about is like property and stuff like that that's why the anti-communism stuff is so goddamn strong is because like the scariest thing to an american is not that you can't say something we act

like it is like in the woke area like you can't see that anymore you can't that's all fucking horseshit nobody cares about that but if somebody came and tried to expropriate their home or their business you would see people like in the streets with guns and stuff like that and it's it's a matter of values now it's how do we invert that you know what I mean how do we like take that playing field and make something out of that and articulate a new vision is tough you know what i mean because it's like terence was saying communism's been thoroughly rubbed out and maligned for so long that people can't even see like the upshot of something like that or even a social democratic system because like a common refrain in american life now is these lazy parasites that

nobody wants to work anymore so like that's going to have a hard time gaining purchase so it's like it's like what you're faced with is like how do you change hearts and minds about like those things reified that like oh actually what matters is you're right to you know a roof over your head and food and and medicine and all these things you know versus what we have now where it's that I don't know I don't know I just I just there's just something I notice about the thing that really gets Americans mad is if like you like try to tread on something that they own or they feel ownership of like their home or their vehicle or whatever yeah i mean i think maybe this is maybe this is um um not so related but it's just you just

remind me while you're talking about it it's sort of what you see in suburbs where everyone has a ring camera you know what i mean doorbell you know everyone is very suspicious right of their own neighbors because they don't want their homes broken into or their cars broken into and i mean granted you probably live in a fairly safe neighborhood, you know. But I think maybe this kind of dovetails, again, what we were mentioning earlier, like about Americans, Terence Americans being paranoid, you know, and being suspicious, not even just of other people,

but of each other in their own communities, you know? Yeah. Did you guys see this new story going around? A five-year-old in Minnesota has been detained by ICE after being used as bait to try and lure family members from their home. What the fuck? They are now thought to be in a detention. facility in Texas.

I mean, that's just like IDF tactics, obviously, right? Like, that's just straight. Playing, playing, uh, with the IDF. Playing sounds of babies crying, a woman, uh,

screaming from drones on speakers, you know, so they can draw people out who want to come and save people and help. It's just fucking sick, dude. And we talked about that before, right? Like, the way it enlists your sympathy

in a project to essentially, the way it like elicits your sympathy to draw you essentially off-size or to draw you into a place of vulnerability where they can get you is just like

I don't I don't know man this the commonplace brutality of it is just astonishing but like that's kind of like that that curdled American dream you're talking about right like that's what's going to come out the other side of it. If there's no positive

vision to be articulated on the other side of that that essentially leaves the classic American values of theft, exploitation, brutality, really, like murder, right, like mass murder.

Like, I don't know, do people you know, like there's, they've been holding ICE detainees at Fort Snelling in Minnesota and that was the site of a concentration camp during the Dakota Sue War in 1862.

Like an actual concentration camp. Like there's a reason Hitler used the genocide of the Native Americans as a blueprint because the concentration camp was, for people like that, an innovation. It was genuinely like an innovative form of how to, control people.

And so I don't know. It's just like I've just been kind of like coming back to that thought over and over again since our episode with the people from Minneapolis that like this is kind of like settling these old scores. Like right? Like it's it's more than just like Pete Heggseth trying to rename American bases, you know, after American military bases after Confederates, actual literal Confederates. It's like there's a really.

reason for that like that's why like the label fascists to me is just too vague like these people are specifically Nazis and Confederate neo Nazis and neo-confederalates it's it's it's and it's k k k k kg okay to do anything about those things to you know like something that we've talked about is like you know you're not going to find uh joseph gerbill's middle school in berlin but you might find nathan bedford forest middle school in somewhere in alabama right you know what i mean yeah Like we've not thoroughly, the Confederate question is an atrocity that we've not thoroughly snuffed out in American life. Because we've allowed it to even like, you know, I mean, I went to school in the South Terrance. We went to school.

Like, you know, we've all had approximation of this. And, you know, we've heard like states rights. We've heard basically people just sort of like, well, you know, it wasn't great the slavery thing. But this is kind of, you know what I mean? and we've allowed just enough, like, margin in there for that stuff to kind of stay in the mainstream. And then, like, it builds on that, right? It builds on that. And then what ends up happening is, yeah, Pete Higgseth wants to call a, you know, military base, Nathan Bedford Forrest, fucking whatever, whatever it is, you know.

Well, I don't know. You know, I know there's probably a trite thing to say. Some people have said this often, but, like, you know, the Nazis actually won world. World War II, the Confederates actually won the Civil War, you know, and all that we're doing is just kind of coasting along on that, you know what I mean? All those, all those fascistic qualities have just creeped in slowly and kind of allowed it to happen. And I guess, I guess this framework was already there for it, but everything is just kind of creeping back in now, you know, or being reified, I guess. And it goes back to Terrence's thing about the no, the no consequences,

so why would they act any differently? You know what I mean? It's like, I remember reading this radio war nerd article many years ago. about like if we would have hung three guys after the Civil War, we could have stopped a lot of this out. But the fact that we allowed these guys to have public life later on. You know what I mean? Everybody knows they can act however they won't. George W. Bush killed two million Iraqis,

or he's responsible for killing for two million Iraqis death. And he could just be this like grandfatherly little painter that goes on Ellen DeGeneres. There's no consequences. You know, Bill Clinton is a sex criminal, and among other types of criminals that he is. Like, you know what I mean? Like part of part of the reason the Epstein file stuff didn't catch fire in the American public,

although it had like it was one of the few things that had like a lot of broad appeal and will in terms of like holding Trump's feet to the fire. The reason it couldn't catch fire is because the Democrats didn't want to Bill Clinton to be implicated. You know what I mean? Or other people who like are their standard barriers, you know? Which goes back to the question of like the liberal paralysis being the reason for a lot of this stuff. they just can't wrap their head around that because nobody wants to feel culpable for Trump. Yeah. I guess just to connect this back to the, I don't know what we're talking about like with Greenland and Europe and whatnot.

Like what wound up happening is Trump says they've got a deal. Is this like a long-term deal? He was very vague on what that means. It seems like they're going to allow more military presence, more U.S. military presidents. more U.S. military presence in Greenland. Maybe they're only in more mineral rights, but it doesn't seem like the kind of territorial acquisition that Trump was aiming for.

But maybe that's not what Trump wanted. Maybe Trump wanted, maybe Trump wanted more mineral rights and bases and didn't want the actual territory itself. I don't know. I mean, like, because part of me, for a while, I was operating under this assumption that the United States Empire was contracting, but now it seems like it's very much not, or maybe this is a final, this could be like a death rattle, I guess.

It is kind of weird to be like, yeah, I see what your point is. It's like, or I think what it is. It seems weird to be like at the same time, we're going to be isolationist, but we're going to keep expanding the empire. Yeah. Yeah, our sphere of influence. Yeah, but only expanding the empire. empire like within our region of the world you know what I mean so we're not we're not we're not like going you know into the Middle East I guess so much anymore Africa or anything like that it's

going to be Latin America and fucking Greenland yeah well so like I guess Trump kind of got what he wanted or at least somewhat what he wanted so they've once again kind of capitulated and giving him what he what he's wanted um I I don't know. I mean, I think that, like, part of Carney's statements were a result of that map Trump put up behind him where he had the American flag, you know, draped over Canada and Greenland. And so I think Mark Carney at the end of the day is a banker and a capitalist, but motherfucker loves Canada. He will not have his beloved Canada taken by the United States. and he's like Robert E. Lee, you know.

It's like, it's not that he supported slavery. It's just he couldn't turn his back on Virginia. The motherfucker was the biggest slave honor in Virginia, but for some reason, people really thought that he was against the institution. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. So anyways, I don't, I don't have much else to say about any of that. I don't know if you all have anything that you want to add to it.

I did see this thing. on Al Jazeera that apparently the idea for the U.S. to take control of Greenland was first planted into Trump's era in 2016 by the founder of Este Lodder, the cosmetics company, who said that as the earth gets warmer, the ice caps there are going to melt in Greenland, and we're going to have more access to rare earth minerals, and we've got to get in on the ground floor and be ready for when it all melts away, which is a dark thought on so many different levels. but also kind of telling that a man who made his billions selling like, you know, perfume at fucking Macy's counters is the guy that we have to thank for possibly, you know. I mean, there's probably a lot of reasons for this, but kind of funny and kind of fitting, if that is true, that this idea was first planted in Trump's head by, you know, a guy that's...

A cosmetician. To say nothing of just like how, like, the like the ruling class is just like yeah the ice caps are melting and that's a good thing because then we can more easily get to the stuff underneath yeah you just you just haven't reminded me of like i don't know trump getting like a spray tan or something like that you know and having a discussion with the guy about you know geopolitics you know what i mean yeah which isn't saying yeah well um we're in an hour i don't have anything else to add uh you you guys want to leave it there anything else do you want to add to the to the critique to the

discussion i think it's not nothing nothing much else it's just i think um it's really hard to sort of analyze this moment and figure out what's going on you know because i mean it's being headed by a fucking madman who's clearly demented and clearly has personal grudges but in a lot of ways we see that the uh the racist the brutal the theft right that's all the always been at the core of America and the American project, we see it reified through the ramblings of a demented old man, you know. Yeah. So it's not, it's not, it's, yeah, I don't know, it's just not, it's not, it's not, it kind of all dovetails and makes sense perfectly that he would be the guy to be doing this right now at this specific historical juncture, you know, as nonsensical as

it all is. Yeah. I will say, though, I think, you know, and this is not to hand it to car, whatever, you know. But I do think the approach of dealing with somebody was such that, that wrestles with grandiosity, like Trump, I will say, and because of that, by virtue of that fact, acts like a petulant child. You know, I did see that, like, when he got off the plane at Davos and stuff, nobody was there to greet him. There's no, like, welcoming party. And, and I think there is a move in the international community. And I think it's a good instinct. As much as I've made fun of European fashion and stuff like that, I do think it's a good instinct to, you know, sort of make him a pariah in like a way that's like, okay, we're just not

going to like pay attention to his like shit anymore or rather react, you know what I mean, in any sort of way that's like going to feed into his whole thing, you know, I think I think some of that stuff's good. As far as the Carney thing goes, it's like, it's not that like, I think that what he's saying is not preferable to the moment we're in because of Trump and whatever. But I just don't think a finance criminal, former governor of the Banks of England and Canada and Goldman Sachs goal is the mouthpiece for that. Yeah, I don't think the guy that's partially responsible and responsible in some way for a lot of things that are happening now should be talking about, you know, what we should return to. Yeah. Sounds like a good place to end

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