Trillbilly Worker's Party - Episode 430: The Organ Sheriff

Episode Date: February 6, 2026

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I wanted to get you guys thoughts on some something. We've not discussed it in detail on the show before, but obviously it hangs over every discussion. Like what do you make? I set that, I set that up like it was going to be a funny bit, but it's really not. What do you make?

You're on a real opinion this early? I want a real opinion this early. Like, I'm sort of, fascinated with the nothing ever happens meme? Like, you know what I'm saying? Everybody saying nothing ever happens. Like, what do you think causes that?

Is it like the 24-hour news cycle that, like, compresses all events into essentially oblivion? Let me tell you what it is, brother. The world and its movements are a dot flak file. Okay, what's a doc flag file? What do you mean by that? Where it all gets compressed and then you just, you can kind of, to cut out the insignificant bits or whatever, but it all kind of gets compressed. And if everything's

happened, nothing's happening. It creates that kind of effect. Yeah, my question was, is truly nothing happening? Or is it just an illusion as a result of like social media in the 24 hour news cycle, compressing it all? It's an illusion for sure. So, Tom, I think you've given this example before. It's sort of like having a VHS, you know, tape or recording, and then you kind of re-record over that same VHS. And you're just kind of just exhausting, I guess, the film, you know what I mean? To the point that it's just degrades. Before you know, there's only remnants of the Jackson's an American dream. Right.

Right. On NBC still valuable to view. But you know what I also think, too? I think the other component of that is that, I mean, we'll get to it. I don't want to jump the gun here. But there are never any consequences, right? Like, whether we want to talk about the Epstein files or whether we want to talk about, you know, the years long genocide that we've seen in Gaza, or I mean, any one of these things, right? Or, you know,

what's happening in Minneapolis. It just seems like there aren't any consequences for in these kind of cataclysmic events, you know, which there should be some sort of, if not a resolution, people should be held accountable or steps should be made to rectify whatever's happening. And that isn't happened. So I can understand if people, if that sort of nothing ever happens is tinged with a little bit of sort of pessimism, you know what I mean, or nihilism rather, you know. It's a good point. It's like it's almost like no, yeah, like we're kind of trapped. We're all in this prison.

Right. And we can't, it's like I said to Tom today, we're in a fucking lunatic asylum. We are in a lunatic asylum. Straight up. Like, I read. It is the biggest asylum in the world probably. Yeah. Yeah, 100%.

I read this London Review of Books article this morning about Xi Jinping. and about China under Xi. And it's, what's so striking to me about China? First of all, I won't let, I won't let any conversation about Xi commence without the title of shape

being put in front of his name. So, I just want to note that. Carry on. What, what's the thinking there? Has he found, is he taking,

taking the shahada and? I, no, I'm sorry. I've just been going down a rabbit hole of memory TV meme. where the guy's like, I won't let any conversation of Joseph Stalin commence without the title shake. It's, I don't know.

I guess the point I was trying to make is that, like, it's, China is a highly regimented society, it seems like. Like, you can raise, you can rise to the ranks of this very, like, regimented bureaucratic system. Like, geez, father was a party apparatchik. He was well

known. He like ran the Northwest Province for Mal in the 60s before he was purged. But even even like in his later years in prison he still loved Mal like he fucking mal purged him and he still loved him.

That's part of discipline. Seriously. That's his party discipline. The man might have perj me but I won't say a bad word about him. Yeah, the only thing you see like that in America... Who amongst just is perfect, you know? The only thing you see like that in America is someone like, Elise Stefonic,

getting back, stabbed in the back, betrayed by Trump, and she's still, like, you know, rep... Oh, dude, it's... I think, I think to underscore that point, I know this is an older example from his first term, but to underscore that point, there's that infamous photo of him at a dinner with Mitt Romney, you know?

And Mitt Romney is giving, like, the kind of most meekest gritty. ever because I guess he just had to kiss the ring so I guess I'm not drawing parallels between Mal and Trump here that's kind of where it sounds like but in terms of discipline I guess I guess they do have I don't know if it's discipline or

if I don't know what it is you know yeah little Marco you know yeah Trump and so you had Ted Cruz Trump literally called Ted Cruz's wife hideous and Ted Cruz still slabs on his knob publicly I mean it's embarrassing didn't he say she was dog face or something like that man

I think something, something that nature. I guess where I was going with that is just like you, you get a sense that, I don't know, it just has a mirror image of America, you just get a, well, I don't know, you kind of sent that thing to me this morning, Tom, an N plus one. Like China's rise is a very fascinating inverse of America's decline. And it's like you very much get the sense reading that article in the London Review of Books. Like, China's a very regimented society. it's like the proliferation of

Xi Jinping thought is a very interesting ideological development and not something that has any parallel in American life and all I keep coming back to over and over is that America is just a fucking lunatic asylum like everybody is completely insane just completely off the rocker

I know this is a hobby horse probably but you know talking about like futurelessness right but I think maybe also too like China is forward looking perhaps or at least it appears that way you know and the United States back to that asylum example the United States is like living in an asylum that you will never be able to get out of you know what I mean and it seems like nothing will ever change you know for the better well and there's also just you know when you were talking about party discipline and like that kind of you know loyalty I was also thinking about too all the people are running interference for Epstein's crimes right now. Like, you know how, like, you know, just before, like, all the files were released and all the breadth of all this stuff was known, people were, like, doing stuff like, well, you know, he liked barely illegals.

Like, that's so much better or something, you know what I mean? Or like Nick Fuentes selling the quartership and stuff like that, like, in that whole, like, Groeper world, all these worlds that, like, the Epstein's of the world and people have created. like literally created, you know, Q and on all that kind of stuff. They're like, they're trying to inch toward now toward benevolent pedophiles, you know? Right, right. Yeah, it makes sense. There's no legal repercussions.

There's no legal recourse. All there is is the court of public opinion, which means that the only response that they have to that is trying to shape public opinion and move it to, well, okay, you may hate me for doing this and I may be embarrassing. However, have you considered that pedophilia is? is okay. So like, you know, they're trying to launder that idea precisely because there is no legal recourse. You know what I'm saying? They're able to do that. I think there's no legal recourse or a path towards any sort of, you know, accountability is difficult to even just carve out right now because I was just listening to this NPR political podcast. And I mean, I know people know there are three million pages, right? But I've heard it described as like two Eiffel towers worth like stacks,

worth of pages, which basically means that releasing that all at once, who is supposed to parse through all of that? How long would it take any individual or any group to read all of that and to kind of make sense of it? And of course, that's why crime's legal right now. That's why crimes legal right now is because, like, it would take you your lifetime to get all this shit through the courts. And they know that. Like, they've, like, purposely rigged it so that, like, the legal system buckles under the sheer weight of all the shit. You know what I mean? That has to come through there. So no one even makes an attempt.

Yeah, yeah. Also, too, if the scale of your crimes equates to two Eiffel Tower's worth of documents, brother, I just, I just don't. It's staggered. It boggles the imagination. They need to, what they need to do is hire a few Wahhabis to take down those two towers. Hey, there. That's true.

Hey, you guys, listen, I know you're trying to have a, wholesale sponsorship of all of our American sports leagues and entertainment products but if you really want to rehab yourself there is a way and it plays right into your strengths yeah it's just I'm reading

on the Patreon I said that I was reading this book called the Oppermins by Leon Fugtwanger who was like a German Jew who was very popular in Weimar Germany and was very critical of the Nazis as they rose to power. He wrote this book in 1933, like in the transition from

Weimar into the Third Reich. Not a good year. Not a good year. The year of the music died. Yes, you could say that. And the, um, something that's like, sort of like sort of fascinating to me about it is that there's this, there's this kid in this book who he goes to his school. He goes to his school. He goes to this school and it's slowly being taken over by like these nationalist like German fetishists like Nazis and they are starting to

try to like teach the kids like this is why like the Jew needs to die this is why Aryan pure bloods are you know holy and and upright and like super supreme

man and all this supreme yeah supreme human and all this and one of these kids in his class is like like I I bet you 15 cents. Like, I'm going to stab this leftist who's running for office. Because this is the thing about this, like, 1933, everyone was saying, like, oh, the majority of the public doesn't support the Nazis.

Like, we'll vote them out. Like, we'll have, we'll still be able to, like, exert control on them. People really thought this. This is a one of order. Yeah, like, wasn't there, like, the Neville Chamberlain quote where he was, like, basically said he was monitoring the situation. He said, if he goose steps, it will intervene.

Yeah. I mean, like, you know, and it's a very difficult book because a lot of the characters are wrestling with like, well, what do you do? Like, there hadn't been a pogrom in Germany in like over a hundred years. So it's like the rise, like the resurrection of anti-Semitism took everybody off guard. Like it wasn't like it had been present in German society for a while, right? But it was nothing like it was in Russia. And anyways, all of which is to say like this kid is...

Probably not as bad as it is in America now. Oh, that's true. Nothing is about as bad as that, honestly. Well, you know, they've ran the Super Bowl ad. Oh, yeah. They've equated anti-Semitism to anti-Black racism. Brother, can I just say, I was just talking to a friend about that. And I don't know how I was to put this movie, but it's just like I would, I would never see like a black act, like rights kind of adequacy, civil rights adictics.

group be able to put out an ad like, you know, saying that, talking about anti-blackness. I just want to put that out there, man. That's true. You just wouldn't see it. Well, so much so that like... I'm just saying you wouldn't see it. The one guy

that tried to do it, Colin Kaepernick, got like, you know, completely blacked black. He did. But, um, by the way, like, on that note, this book is really good job of explaining like a lot of German Jews

were very skeptical if outright completely derisive of Zionism. They thought it was a joke. They thought it was ridiculous. Like why would we go to Palestine? That's like not where we're from. It's not where we live. Our families aren't there. It's culturally, you know what I mean? It's like...

That's like the back to Africa movement I think, you know, I think leading up, maybe Terence, maybe you're a little bit more you are more knowledgeable about this to me, but I think leading up to the Civil War, maybe afterwards, where I mean, like, you know, I just would have been like, nigga, well, I want to go back to Africa, dog. I'm from here, you know, also to also for like indigenous Africans who live there to go as an African American, a black American, and uproot their lives and take their property and

shit like that. It seems pretty fucked up, you know. Yeah, yeah. You're saying you've, you've sped in the face of, uh, Jamaican nationalist Marcus Garvey. Marcus Garvey, one of the first political figures I learned about. Yes, yes, yes, I guess. me too actually but from the other side of the section they were like can you believe I like a racist in America like can you believe

they would want to go back to Africa it's like what the make up your fucking mind yeah you want me here or not it's like if I can get anything out of you I want you here if not then whatever I want you here as a second class citizen you know what I mean yeah listen I want you to accept

your role here is what I want could you imagine what a like that is kind of of like, you know, of course I support lamb back movements and like the native struggle and all that kind of stuff. And it's like kind of an interesting question of like if somebody popped up, if a nice agent

popped up on my doorstep said, back to Belfast with you. It's like, what? Like dog, I have been there. I mean, I have been to Ghana, but you know. It was hot, man. At this point, I might take it. I don't know if Belfast is. I don't know if Belfast is

as much of a fucking nut house as this place is. So I might actually... Yeah, there might be something. That's true, actually. Anyways, the... What I was trying to say, like, there's this part in this story where this kid, he's out of school,

and this, like, young Hitler youth, basically, this young Nazi, like, comes up to him and he's like, I'm going to bet you, like, 15 finnings or whatever the fuck their turn to was. That I'm going to, I'm going to stab this. like leftist who's running for office. I'm going to stab him in the gut and kill him. And the guy's like, you're not going to do that.

Like, you know, you're going to owe me 15 finnings or whatever. And then like a week passes and it turns out like he goes and visits the leftist running for office in his office and winds up stabbing him in the gut and killing him. And he like, and he tells everyone it was pure self-defense. It was like, and then he goes to the kid and he's like, all right, I want my 15 finnings or whatever. And the kid is like, um, like, Like he has this moral dilemma because he's like, okay, it wasn't self-defense, but I can't tell anybody that because who would I tell?

Like the whole fucking legal system and the government's all run by people who wanted to see this guy get killed. And so it's the same thing coming with the Epstein stuff. It's like what's the recourse? All the people that control all the levers of power and would do anything about it are themselves just pedophiles or participated in this. Like it's a fucking lunatic asylum. You know what I mean? Right, right, right, right. And I mean, dude, even, I mean, I think that kind of goes back to sort of nothing ever happens

because even if you release that information, as you said, all the people that would carve out any sort of like retribution accountability, they're all a part of it. So it's just like maybe, I don't know, I can't imagine that, I mean, I know some people were probably sweating bullets when these files came out. But I don't mean to be nihilistic about it, but I just have to believe that even they were shrugging their shoulders. Like, so fucking what? nobody's going to do anything about it you know also the the the example i just used has some

like interesting parallels with like rene good Alex pretty you know everyone else ice is killed that they like have to do this pretense of self-defense like oh it was in self-defense you know what i mean like i killed them in self-defense when everybody knows it was just outright fucking murder right so it's like it's an execution i don't know like these nazis have to like fucking maintain the of like everything they do is entirely self-defense and they're like sort of uh forced into the position when it's like very obvious like this is this is just how they operate they're fucking barbarians i guess that's what i'm saying but like it and it the brain-breaking maddening thing about it is just they're here to four unseen levels of bitch assness on top of the barbarism right

yeah right it drives me insane it's like be a fucking barbarian or be a fucking barbarian or be you fucking pussy-ass bitch but you can't like you can't you can't be a small bean barbarian bro right right small bean barbarian that's that's what I felt like watching that video of

Trump or JD Vance and Usha Vibing to Kid Rock it's like barbarians who are just Small beans That's so funny I heard somebody say the other day They're like

Somebody's like why we even have bad buddy on stage we can't understand a word he says and it's like the guy you all got for your alternatives best song is called balla to ball to bang the dang diddy did he sound like you talking with a mouth full of marbles bro yeah the fucking god damn word what fuck are you talking about not that anybody listens to kid rock for his you know his lyricism anyway but right i mean i saw this video man um and somebody had brought up a good point where i saw this video where this protester was filming these ice agents sitting in their Jeep or whatever, their pickup truck.

And, you know, he's just like, oh, I can see your face. We can see you. What are you doing here to terrorize kill more people? And you just see the pickup truck just slowly back away. And a person made a good point that these people are not really built for it, right? They'll fail. Like, I don't think that they have health care. I think this person mentioned that they don't have health care.

They haven't gotten paid yet. They're in this hostile environment with people who fucking hate them. And one thing I kept thinking was like, I don't know if they're not. this is true, but if you guys heard of that myth, that when... It's a being back in high school. Hostile environments around by people, probably want to kick your ass.

Dude, do you think about that myth of like, which I don't know how truth this is, of Vietnam soldiers coming back and being spat on and called baby killers? And I don't know how true that is, right? But I know for a fact that these motherfuckers, man, I mean, especially if their faces and names are known, I just have to believe or I have to hope

that they will be shunned out of public life. Not like the people who say, sent them to go do that, the powerful people, the elite people were insulated by their wealth, by their power, you know what I mean, and position. I just have to believe that these guys, these fucking, I think what Adam Johnson calls, these unemployable people, you know what I mean, trying to terrorize the employed, right? I just have to believe that these people will get, I mean, it's a hope. I know it's kind of naive, but I just, how do you reintegrate those people back into society,

you know? That's a $64,000 question, brother. Well, you don't. This is the thing I'm like, realized. reading this book. Like, I have a very naive, I guess, like, you could say a very naive belief that, like, take Nazi Germany, for example, like, I guess I would have thought that after the Holocaust, after everything that happened in World War II, that, like, Hitler dragged the entire

country into this like wartime state that we were trying to just fight everybody and we're just liquidating entire portions of their populations doesn't seem that crazy to hear now in 2026 does it sounds very similar to what we're doing at least in the early stages I guess I've had this very naive thought that like after the war people would say oh shit like we made a horrible mistake but that's not what happened a lot of people still and this is also the case for the confeder And I think a big reason why is because those beliefs aren't properly punished and, like, exiled from society, outcasted from society. But, like, I guess I just have a very liberal idea of these people as being like, oh, this is just a good... It's like, surely they'll see the error of their ways, like, hatred and, you know, ideologies of racism or whatever, like, have brought them to this point.

Like, if the rule you led, brought you here what use was the rule, but that's not how they view the world. Like these are deeply held beliefs. And again, that's me being like a white naive, you know, I guess, liberal washdown. I've even heard, I've even heard this black liberal, you know, sorry to keep referencing tweets, but it's just this, this is just something that I keep thinking about. This person had said, this black liberal on Twitter had said, we need to do to these ice agents what the West did to the Nazis, like implying that like we actually like, you know, tried and hung these motherfuckers.

And people were like, what you mean, like absorb them into NASA. You know what I mean? What way you may move them to Paraguay? Yeah, like exactly. You know what I'm saying? Also, but even then, the vast majority of Nazis never left Germany. And in fact, that's why you got the Red Army faction and stuff in the 70s. There's an Adam Curtis documentary about this.

I don't remember which one it is. The reason the Red Army faction in the 70s was like so militant and we were like bombing public squares and basically killing quote unquote innocent civilians in in Germany was because a lot of them were the children of Nazis. They were the children of not died in the wool Nazi party members but people who just went along with what was going on in the

30s and 40s and they really struggled with that like they really struggled with the fact that their parents had not adequately grappled with their own complicity in what happened. and that's what I'm saying like a lot of these Nazis were just absorbed right back into German society

and I don't know it's just like a no different from the Confederates I mean you know like fucking Jefferson Davis went on to be a university chancellor you know what I mean like we talk about like even like something

like January 6 we use the terms like insurrection and da da da da da that all this kind of stuff it's like Jefferson Davis spearheaded one of those for many years killed a lot of people fellow Americans and at the end of his like

yeah go be an academic go be this college administrator or whatever the fuck you get a bunch of schools named after you know what I'm saying get your face you know carved into a fucking mountain you know what I mean well he's an alumni of Transylvania University about a long stone's throw from

Terrence's house Transylvania University that's a real university that's not where Dracula went to school some shit well it's you know it's he's like come law There are connotations there, but there is a dorm where black students have lived called Jefferson Davis Hall. Jesus Christ, bro. That sounds like something out of Atlanta, man, to show.

I can't be real. That's crazy. Yeah. Not that it's cool for white students to study there. It holds a little different way. Is there anything we need to say about, like, Epstein? I felt like I was very frustrated on Monday I felt like all the things I wanted to say about it

like I wasn't able to like fully capture or like articulate I guess it's so vast well there was one thing I wanted to bring up I saw this news item that said the Clintons were pushing to have trials around it all the stuff with all the people implicated and stuff and somebody quote tweeted that with that

clip and again sorry to reference tweets but of the Rock and Samuel Jackson and that movie was like, you know what I'm where? They're like detectals or whatever. And they jump off the bill. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Are they falling on their sword? What's going on there? Yeah, I think aren't they supposed to, aren't they, they're willing to testify, which I mean, which I think proves the point again that like nothing,

I'm not subscribing to the nothing ever happens. But to kind of have the gall knowing that you were a part of those sex crimes, to suddenly say, that you'll be a crusader for victims. It's so nihilistic, you know, and it's so, it's so just reflects, I guess, upon even yourself,

you don't believe anything will happen to you, you know, or anything will happen or the victims will get justice. It's so nihilistic, man. Either that or Clinton's, like, genuinely convinced there's nothing on him or that his level of participation against all odds was not as pronounced as we think it was. I don't know. It is a strange thing, though, or it could be the classic, like, bluff, you know what I mean? Him knowing full well that there's not going to be any recompense or justice or anything like that.

So he wants to just look like, you know, come out smelling like roses. Right, right. Part of me wonders without getting too conspiratorial. Part of me wonders if it's not part. As we said like a second ago, because there's no recourse for any of this, I think that we're going to start to see, you're already starting to see it, a laundering of the idea that like we need to lower age of consent laws that like pedophilia or at least a fibophilia is okay. Okay.

And part of me wonders if like the Clintons are like the sort of good, quote unquote, good cop base of that. Yes, right, right. Like, which makes it even crazier that Hillary Clinton had a abed in the Atlantic just a week ago that was like Donald Trump is targeting morality. It's like, yeah, you guys are real fucking, you know, bellwethers for morality. You had slaves in the Arkansas governor's mansion in the 80s. But hold up. Didn't Donald Trump say that? It's a shame that they're going

for Bill Clinton. I like him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, Bill Clinton's the fake friend here, isn't they? Like Trump's like, I still like Bill. It's like, yeah, because you sucked him off. Bro, it's like that Arnold Schwarzenegger and Carl Weathers handshake me, but instead it's just pedophilia.

Well, Terrence is right, though. Terrence is right, though. Everything from the Gaza genocide, like to school shootings like we talked about on the Patreon a little bit. bit all the way down to this stuff is this like wholesale attempt to normalize the worst atrocities man can possibly commit so to so to make nothing matter as much so they can just put us in camps and kill us and stuff like that and just basically manufacturing consent for like absolute depravity because it's like you know we talked about this about with the genocide it's like after

you've you know I saw the thing like you know they've eliminated 2,700 fucking bulls. bloodlines in Palestine. It's like nothing matters after that. Like that's something we said like nothing matters after you're just allowing people who have nobody coming to their aid to just be massacred. And like we just like and we just feel this like stasis where we can't do anything about it or anything like that. Like once that's allowed to happen, nothing else matters.

Like it like it's not like the normalization of pedophilia is not far around the bin from that. Do you know what I mean? On that note, did you see this email, I saw Josh Olson posted this. It was an email between, an email exchange between Peter Till and Jeffrey Epstein. Jeffrey Epstein writes to Peter Till, Brexit, just the beginning.

Epstein responded and said, Return to tribalism, counter to globalization, amazing new alliances. You and I both agreed zero interest rates were too high. And as I said in your office, finding things on their way to collapse was much easier than finding the next bargain. It's like, could you, it's like some, an email that I've come back to over and over again and all this was just this throwaway email that I think they redacted who Epstein sent it to, which that's another story in all this that like blows your mind. The number of times they're like, I give you permission to murder him and it doesn't tell you who he's sending it to.

It's like, I think we need to know who Jeffrey Epstein is giving permission. Yeah, I think that concept is incredibly important here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, like, one email, and I'm not going to, I'm not going to get it completely correct, but it was something along the lines of Epstein had told somebody, I like the open sea, because when you get, when you have girls with you on the boat, you chop off their heads and throw it in the, uh, the seat, the fucking shrimp, like cut off their heads and eat the body water. That's what it was.

You were likened them to shrimp. You like cut off the, maybe it was like an edge lord thing. I don't know. But like, regardless, I take that to be. I mean, when you're engaged in sex crimes like that, like, that's the most, you know what I mean? Go ahead. Well, yeah. No, I mean, as these people, I mean, as, as they pointed out on Chapo, a lot of these people that were ensnared in this were like girls from Eastern Europe who were like ensnared in these awful sex trafficking operations after the fall of the Soviet Union.

But like what I keep thinking of when I read that like exchange between Epstein and Thiel and. And when I think about, like, the shrimp email as you were talking about Tom, um, something that I was like, I was like thinking like, I was like, what would it be like to be a person like Epstein? I don't mean like in the sense to like in the sense of like in the sense of having complete freedom. Does that make sense? There's no, there's no repercussions for your actions. You can do whatever you want. the the entire financial global economic system has been designed to allow you to do whatever you want and so like they killed with impunity they tortured with impunity they raped with impunity all these different things like what like that to me is just the definition of barbarism right like there is a barbarism at the heart of civilization we define barbarism is like you know the romans defined it as the people who lived without law right like like

the people who didn't live in civilization who like weren't subject to basically laws and accountability who did whatever they wanted took whoever they wanted did whatever they want that's who these people are they're just actual literal barbarians like they are fucking I don't know

it's like in the strictest definition of the terms like these people would ride through your town and kidnap your children and like behead them in front of you and you know what I'm saying and like hang them from the trees and stuff like that's who they are these are these are inhuman people without any sense of morality like their black hole, right, exists

like a, you know, this black hole exists where any sense of morality would be and these are inhuman people who are purveyors of dehumanization, you know what I mean? You know, these people actually inhuman themselves, you know, dehumanizing to the point of, you know, these victims are, they're objects, right?

They're objects to be used, discarded, killed, you know? I don't know, man. Yeah. Yeah. I think that single email exchange between Epstein and Teal really says it all. Like that's what neoliberalism is at the very end of its process, right? Like allow things to collapse.

We think zero interest rates are too high. That's, I mean, like, genuinely what they are spelling out is a global economic system that is pushed to the brink. So that multiple societies collapse, both morally, culturally, politically, economically, economically. You don't need Russia as some scapegoat to saying like they're the ones pulling the strings behind all this. This is just what they see as the way to make

as much money as possible. Maximization of profit and power. That's what it is. It's what neoliberalism is. I'd read this, I think I'd send it to you, Terrence, this blog post. It was called Crimes that do not count from this C-Nethin blog. And the person

that wrote it called it the economy of exemption. And it's just this experience of, you know, like they can pull the levers at any time whenever those of us on the lower tiers, on the lower rungs of society get up and then they can just kind of, and how justice is made it out is very selective and, you know, who gets these pardons and all this stuff. And it's just like, and like we know like, I mean, that seems like a trap point because we know like intellectually that like there is like, you know, two different, you know, justice systems, economic systems for the upper classes and the lower classes and so forth.

But it's hard to imagine what's to do about it unless there's a heads roll type situation, which is something that like obviously I think these people are thinking about, at least on some level. I mean, there was the JZ email where like the person at Barclays was like the reason we're not Sao Paulo at the time of it. There was that was there was all these mass demonstrations in the streets of Sao Paulo is because Jay Z basically had. manufactured consent for all this gentrification and the building of the Barclays Center and all that

kind of stuff. And then there's the email. And I want to be careful here because I've been duped too many times on this. But was there not an email correspondence between Bill Gates and Jeffrey Epstein or one of his hand was about like, like, what can we do to just get rid of poor people? Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if that was the context of it. I hesitate to like enter it into the record as a matter of fact because it seems like one of those things it could be like you know how they were like bill or bill gates is like doing the vaccines and stuff like that but that's the thing that's so disorienting about all this stuff and probably by design is you just don't know what's down or up up or down and then you know it's like you were talking about

terence about that like is this stuff did they literally murder people or is this edge lord kind of you know gallows humor from these you know disturbing people but like is that stuff is it edged lord or like are their bodies buried under zoro ranch so many questions including including terrence um how far are you how far did you grow up from zoro ranch just kind of curiosity pretty far pretty far motherfucker as far as you can get from it actually yeah i'm sorry that was a rant but like yeah i mean to your point it's uh yeah i think it's the If you look at that exchange between Till and Epstein, I don't think it's any great leap to say that, like, these people,

their preferred mode of economic exploitation and profit-seeking is, like, detonating atomic bomb level, like, decimating entire civilizations with, like, atomic bomb level, blasts of like economic deprivation like that's what the dismantling of the soviet union was it was essentially you know people call it shock doctrine there's all kinds of different names for it but like and people you know there's all kinds of different interpretations for that uh and people have their own critiques of even that but like i think the broad contours of it is just that like push a society to the brink of collapse,

let them all go, you know, go the cannibalism route where they all just start eating each other alive. And whatever exists, like when all is said and done, you can conscript the humans for like sex trafficking.

You can conscript the beans of production and technological apparatus for like, you know, strip it down to parts, send it to Israel or whatever. I mean, it's just like that's, I think that's the modest operandi. I mean, I think, I think too, essentially what it is is that if your social and political reality, right,

allows you, as you said, Terrence, to, like, just decimate entire population, as countries, you know, then if you atomize that to their own sort of personal lives and their own freakish, barbaric, you know, sex crimes that they do, I mean, I could just easily, yeah, I can see it not just being an edge lord thing, but really these people, I I don't know. I have to believe they've murdered people, right? Well, bro, listen. Yeah, I mean, yeah.

If you get got two goddamn awful towers worth of sex crimes on record, it ain't a big stretch to think that you've also killed some of these poor girls and stuff. You know what I mean? Well, I think the point, yeah, the point is, it's like, they were operating at a level of, like, criminal immunity that, I mean, of course, like, any gangsters are going to be, like, it seems silly for us to even be. debating, you know, if they did this or not, because of course, they did.

I guess, like, what we're trying to, like, drill down on, though, is, like, I don't know, maybe we're looking at this more from, like, a literalist standpoint. Like, we really want there to be some sort of recriminations for this, right? We want there to be some accountability. And I think that the, uh, the sad fact of, the sad, you know, truth of the matter is that that's not going to be happening. Like the, and the reason why, is because so much of the way we do business is tied up into this specific operation,

like the way that these guys did business. Like, it would indict the entire thing. In the same way that, like, if you push too hard on what Zionism is and its relationship to America is, you risk toppling the entire thing. And it's no coincidence that Epstein was probably one of, if not the main mechanism through which Israel's leverage over American politics and economy is essentially exerted. You know what I'm saying?

And the West in general. I mean, it's... And then just the ways in which they're trying to, like, paint him as an agent of the Kremlin now rather than, like, as this Israeli USA dual agent. And it's like everybody that made an equivocation around, you know, what October 7th was about and was just very glib about that. are now like he was an agent of Russia

even though there's like some emails that are like he's going through Mandelson in the UK to try to get a Russian visa. It's like if he was an agent of the criminal where he really need to go through Mandelson to get a visa? Like it's just easily provable that he's not. What's so laughable about that

is like thinking what it does is it like posits a cause or a chain of events that Russia sits at the top and that they're the ones who set all this into motion rather than the truth, which is that Russia is a byproduct or function of this operation. It's America, the CIA, it's business and interest, you know, business class, Israeli intelligence assets, Western intelligence assets.

They're the ones that sit at the top of this, and they're raiding of the fucking, you know, Eastern bloc and former Soviet Union bloc. Like, that's what created Putin and Russia. You know what I'm saying? Like that, they're further down. I guess is what I'm saying. Like, it's inconceivable that Russia sits at the top of all this because just 30 years ago,

the place was a fucking, like, gangster economy where, like, it was, yeah, people eating each other in the streets virtually. Like, there was not a Russian society in the 90s. Yeah, you was Boris Yeltsin, you know, shitting himself in D.C. and walk around the streets naked and drunk and shit like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, y'all, you're right. And as you've said, Terence before, it's like, like, Putin can't even take Europe.

You know what I mean? You can't even take Ukraine. Ukraine. A country, I'm sorry, of basically, Eastern Kentucky. I'm sorry, that's just it. It's like a country of hillbillies. It's like Eastern Kentucky was ran by a CIA like a plant.

You can't even take Ukraine. Like, come on. But psycho, if you look at it from like the psychoanalytic standpoint, it makes total sense why Russia looms so large in the mind of Western European Europe leader. because they carry this deep-seated guilt of what they did to it, right? Like, they realized they raided it and picked through it like fucking vultures. And, like, now it's like it looms large in their psyche, like, oh, shit, history's catching up with us.

Now it's fine. They're haunted. Coming back. They're no longer haunted by the specter of communism, but they're haunted by its disappearance, you know. Exactly. They're haunted by what they put in place to essentially, yeah. And just to draw a through line, you know, just decimating an entire country, which, led to an explosion in prostitution and explosion in the abuse, right, of young women, right?

And then now that same sort of like, I guess, lineage, right, is, or that same kind of of situation, right, and what it caused is being, I guess, you know, is grounds for these sickos to prey upon Eastern European women, right, and young girls, you know? Well, and it's no coincidence that the parts of Germany and Ukraine that are those the most right wing are the parts that were former Soviet blocks. Like it's, by that I mean like they witnessed within one lifetime the entire Soviet project and state system collapse.

And so what do you think that does? It's the same shit like reading this operman, this operman's book. We have this idea on the left like Nazism came about because the left couldn't put aside its differences and social democrats and communists. They couldn't work. work together. That's not why. Germans were skeptical of a leftist project because they saw the

revolution fail in the early 20s with Rosa Luxembourg and stuff. They thought that had already been tried. They didn't want to try it again. So they were like, well, what does that leave us? That leaves us the militarists failed with World War I. The leftists failed with the revolution afterwards. That leaves basically like the agrarians and capitalists who like just wanted to use the nationalist to kind of, you know, squeeze as much profit out of it as they could. No, fucking, like, what I'm saying is that, like, the collapse of a leftist project, that's going to engender a lot of right-wing, intended right-wing populism. I don't know.

Right, right, right. Like, since we're talking about, like, economic collapses and so forth, like, just see this where the, the, a lot of these people were not, they weren't particularly moved by the Epstein revelations, but one thing where they have drawn a line on is, like, their carnival money is now plummeting in value. And now I've seen like a lot of people that are really mad at Trump because the crypto market has collapsed. And now gold and silver's collapsed too after, you know, it's right.

So it's like all the little sort of ancillary markers of your economy being, you know, against the ropes are now starting to crumble too. And that's creating some interesting tensions and frictions, I would say. on that note i wanted to talk a little bit about ice ties in with israel i wanted to check out this article in the minnesota reformer called how ice is watching you i don't know if you guys have seen some of these stories about like what ice has been

doing like about how they're forcing tech companies to hand over data of trump critics like there was a story about a 67 year old retiree who criticized ICE in an email and ICE started harassing him. Sent people to his house started harassing them and all this. They used your data to basically track you down. They get administrative subpoenas to get your data from tech companies. But some of this stuff is very fascinating.

And Israel's hand in it is very, very concerning, to say that at least. A Border Patrol agent warned Nicole Cleland last month that she'd be arrested if she were again discovered following and observing federal officers. Three days later, the 56-year-old Richfield resident received an email saying her expedited airport security screening privileges had been revoked. Cleland is a frequent traveler and had held global entry in TSA pre-check status without incident since 2014. Given that only three days had passed from the time that I was stopped, I am concerned that the revocation was the result of me following and observing ICE agents. A year into the second Trump administration's immigration crackdown,

Cleland is one of countless U.S. residents and visitors touched by the federal government's rapidly changing data collection and surveillance apparatus. Some, like an AI-powered social media analyzer and an error-prone facial recognition tool, evoked dystopian sci-fi. Others like automatic license plate readers have been around for decades. cyberpunk gestapo man 100% um it talks about like homin wanting to build a database of people who uh interfere with or uh criticize eyes but some of this stuff is uh like so we have here racial facial facial or is a racial recognition facial recognition software racial facial which is which is racial which is racial right um um it is racial facial facial Reporting by 404 media and other media outlets indicates that ICE and other federal immigration enforcement agencies use multiple AI-powered facial recognition tools, including Mobile Fortify and Clearview AI. DHS has used facial recognition software at airports and land border crossings for years, but its use in the field is a more recent development. AIS also uses AI-powered apps to analyze social media activity and other digital data points to create quote-unquote life profiles.

for people of interest. The agency has spent $5 million on Tangle's, a sophisticated tool developed by a community, by a company with ties to Israel's cyber intelligence community. Tangle's minds, social media post, event signups, mobile contacts, location data, and more to create nuanced individual portraits and tease out patterns of activity.

Our powerful web intelligence solution monitors online activity. Can I just make a point? Yeah. Why do all these dystopian cyber companies always have these names that sound innocuous, like fairly innocuous, until you realize what they actually do? I fucking hate that shit. Tangles. That sounds cute. That sounds adorable.

That sounds like, I don't know, like a grocery app or some shit like that, you know? Since September 2024, ICE has paid more than $1.6 million to a Maryland company that integrates a type of cell site simulator, popularly known as a stingray into government vehicles. TechCrunch first reported the purchases, which are a matter of public record. It's unclear how often ICE uses vehicles equip the stingrays in its operations, but a Utah judge reportedly authorized the agency to use one to track down a specific individual last summer. The way they work is they tricked nearby cell phones into connecting with them instead of legitimate transmitters, collecting reams of random users' data in the process. Last summer, the independent national security journalist Jack Polson reported,

that the agency had reactivated a $2 million contract with the Israeli spyware developer Paragon Solutions, which I guess runs these like stingray operations. So all of the tech innovations and techniques that they're using to, you know, surveil you,

keep an eye on you, harass you. These are mostly all, you know, made by Israeli tech companies. Something I just thought was interesting. I was just not really seeing a whole lot of discourse around that. Talk about that. I wanted to, you know, mention something we've talked about with Alexander, Vena especially.

It's just, you know, the Palestine laboratory, man. You know, all these technologies being used on Palestinians to surveil them, harass them, kill them, and then being brought back home to use on, you know, U.S. citizens or, you know, undocumented people, you know. So it's just, I don't know, just another way in which you. can see that clear through line, you know, between what we're doing to Gaza and what's happening in the streets of Minneapolis and other cities, you know. 100%.

Well, there's not only this, but like the scary thing that also portends is this weird extension of powers that they're getting that I think a lot of people are going to take their eye off that ball because, like, now they've pulled Bovino off the detail and they've put the, you know, the legitimate Tom Holman who Obama coronated as, you know. with whatever the medal he got. You've seen that. But now, like, you got Steve Bannon on TV saying that they're just going to send ice agents to polling places during the election, which, dude, like, if I were to, like, run for a local office and I hung a sign that said vote Tom Sexton within a certain yardage of a polling place, I would rightly be censured, like, that's against the law, like, I would rightly be censured for electioneering or whatever. would happen to me. But they can send bands of armed thugs there.

Who've already killed people. Who've already killed people to harass, you know, voters who my assumption is are, you know, disproportionately not going to vote for them at those places they've identified and sent them to. Yeah, this is great stuff. Also, what did you just think that that would, I mean, I don't know, because in Minneapolis, you have businesses, um, and you, know, residents who, businesses who have shut down in solidarity with protesters, and also just because, like, they're scared, right, about this violent instability in the streets of their city. What don't you think that would just depress turnout if you just have, like, Gestapo

just hanging around polling sites? Like, why would anybody want to go vote? I'm assuming people would be scared for their lives, you know? Well, it's also, there's like, just kind of emblematic of this sort of overcorrection that they're doing. It's like, y'all are sending armed Gestapo to harass voters that are going to go vote for the party that has already like reversed course on something as tepid as we don't want ice agents wearing masks. Like two days ago Chuck Schumer was talking about we want their masks off. Now they're already like walking that back. It's like you don't really need armistapo. They're already policing themselves, brother. Yeah, they're already turning off plenty of people on the

They can do bad all on their own, you know what I mean? But, you know, as we've pointed out here, though, there's probably is going to be, you know, at least something of a blue wave. You know, Tarrant County's reversal, Tarrant County, Texas's reversal on the matter is any indication, like, you know. So, and that just speaks to how bad their policies are. So maybe, like, you know, the armed thugs is their hedge against that. But I still think it's, like, just funny that, like, oh, no, we have to, we're not. not going to let, we're not going to let Hakeem Jeffrey steal this election. Like the fuck.

Kind of on that note, I've been really depressed by like how inert all politics is across the board like Zoran Mamdani writing this in the nation. Why I'm endorsing Kathy Hochel. It's like on, it's like I see both sides. Like I understand like why you got to do that. You have to play ball. But at the same time, it just goes to show you that like we're just trapped. You can't operate inside the Democratic Party

and you can't operate outside of it. It is just this, it's just this like glacially, it's just frozen, right? It's just this slow-moving death trap that like, like, it's just kind of like the lunatic asylum, right? Like, nothing can move forward. It's all inert. It's just a very stultifying set of affairs.

Right, right. I would even say, too, to give an example, the asylum example. And as somebody who, I will admit, who is, you know, enthusiastic, if not cautiously, sort of optimistic about Zoran. It's sort of like, you know,

we're all in the asylum, and there are, you know, the bars on the window, and you could look outside and see a green pasture and blue skies, but you're not fucking leaving. He ain't going nowhere.

You're going to stay right in there, right, with the promise, right, of a better tomorrow and liberty, freedom, Not even those terms, but just getting the fuck out, right? With that promise, just, you know, just closed off to you by the bars in the window, man. He ain't going anywhere. I've had this idea.

I'm hesitant to even try to get into it right now because I tried to do it on Monday, and it kind of like failed, failed spectacularly, spelled spectacularly. The straits are starving for the footage. Okay, you say that. I've had a number of. not even comments, but text said, where's the lost episode? I have seen like three people ask for it, you know. If there was a chorus, maybe.

I get more people asking for me to put the main episodes on Patreon, which is like, I hear you, I can't do it. I have OCD. I cannot have the feed be episode 373, premium episode 297, Episode 374, premium episode 298. No, that's too overwhelming. I can't do it. I do this.

You have no idea how many times I've been like, all right, today I'm going to do it. I'm going to upload the main episode to the Patreon. And I'll have the whole thing loaded up and be like, wait a second. This is going to fucking muddy the whole feed. But also too, like you can just sync the premium episodes too, like wherever you list to your podcast is at too, though. I guess you could. I don't know.

I feel bad. Like, it's just as easy to do that as it is to do it. Anyway. The Cold War, the Cold War remain. I'll do it. I'll fucking do it one of these days. We're looking into it. We're monitoring the situation.

The second to the last episode. I was like, all right, we're closing down the shop. And I just put the last main episode. In the year, like, 2035, you just upload like a thousand episodes. There it is. We have an Eiffel Tower of Trillillies episodes. Several effect. Oh, man.

Oh, the ice stuff. Yeah. The ice stuff. Okay, the ice thing was like, something I wanted to say about that is like the degree to which they are going out of their way to target people that they're not deporting. make no mistake

this is a project of ethnic cleansing for sure this is what they've wanted to do for a long time I don't know about you guys but I saw Trump yesterday say that they're going to try to like he had an interview with NBC

where he was like perhaps we went a little too hard and now we're just going to go into cities that ask us to come in which I have to say this is a similar thing that liberals did the media did when he vaporized that Iranian general. Soleimani, I think.

Yeah. Is that they started glazing him and they started like calling him presidential. I'm not saying they're saying the exact same things here. But I mean, it's just sort of this, you know, real time rehabilitation, you know, because he says we should go a little bit softer on immigration while putting someone like Tom Holman, you know, the borders are in charge, right, of this continued operation, you know. Yeah. Who looks like a hypertensive thumb.

The other thing, too, about it all is like, I don't know if this is lost. on people. But this is the most American thing I've ever heard of. We have a concentration camp in a town called Shardelsville. Like Shartlesville, Pennsylvania. There's a concentration camp just off the highway between an Amazon fulfillment center and one of those places where you get dirty movies.

Like the Lions Den. Adult videos. I don't know that there's anything more America. It's like the merger of Nazism and like, you know, Smart tourist attractions It's a world of warehouses It's what we were talking about On Monday's Patreon episode

It's just gonna be a world of warehouses man And then in between that In between that Like neighbors eating their legs They're neighbors eating their neighbor's legs Like they're like turkey legs At the Rinfair You know what I'm saying

Over a spitfire Like spit roast it and shit Pure cannibalism, don't Oh God man It's coming back. Very fitting the American Dachau would be in a place called Shardelsville. Yeah. Before we're going further, I'm not saying that this is DACA levels yet.

I'm just, I'm talking about that the spirit is similar. I'm surprised it's not in a town called Lynchburg or some shit like that, you know. Not today. Well, that's the thing. Like some of these cities in the deep south, I saw the, what is that guy's name? I think he's a senator from Mississippi. was like Mr. President, we don't want

this ICE detention facility in our neighborhood. We were promised economic development. It's like, what the fuck did you think? We already got plantations, brother. We don't need this shit. Senator Roger Wicker. I strongly oppose DHS's I still

with a CK. Wicker. Okay, okay. I thought they said something else. I strongly oppose DHS. Yeah, he's. He's like, that would be a funny name for a Mississippi senator, though. Yeah.

He's like, damn, boy, I strongly oppose DHS. Yeah, he's just a white boy with a fade and, like, holds his girlfriend around the waist at the way he's checking out. I strongly oppose DHS's proposed plan to turn a warehouse and by Haley of Mississippi into an iced attention center. I am all for immigration enforcement, but this site was meant for economic development, and job creation. We cannot suddenly flood Bahalia with an influx of up to 10,000 detainees.

It's like, what did you think the Nazism was for, man? Like, that's just what you wanted. You'll take the detainees and you'll like it. It reminds me of how, like, in Nazi Germany, they didn't put the concentration camps in Germany. They put them in fucking Austria. They were like, oh, let's just, you know, it's like, fucking Germans don't want that. They don't want to see the, fucking consequences of their actions.

They put it away from the metropole, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. So I'll have you know I do not want your huddled masses, even if they are behind a barbed wire fence. Okay, the point I was just going to try to make, real quick, about ice, that's a point I tried to make on the last episode, on the lost episode on Monday, which is that, like, if you look at the general trajectory, of what ICE is doing

and the way that they're doing it, if they are surveilling and targeting entire communities of people that they're not deporting, that raises the question of like, well, what are they doing? And a lot of people say there's death squads, right? Like, they're trying to

not suffie the country. They're trying to, like, normalize the ethnic cleansing and just kind of show brute strength. But, like, I hopefully, you'll forgive the analogy. But after reading the statements from J.D. Vance and Stephen Miller and everyone else associated

with this, I genuinely think that what they are aiming to do is more along the lines of a crusade. And it's no coincidence that Pete Hegseth has a crusader's tattoo. But what I mean by that is I genuinely think they're trying to eradicate the system of thought we would call perhaps leftism very broadly. You can describe that in all kinds of ways. There are all kinds of attendant qualifications you can make towards that, because obviously Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, Tim Walts, these are not leftists.

But I just think that, like, if you're looking at it from a strictly political economic standpoint, they've determined that the only way to make more efficient or streamline the economic program outlined by Jeffrey Epstein earlier of push everything to the state of collapse, return everything to tribalism. The only way they can make that work

is through trying to eradicate anyone who disagrees with it or is a dissident against it. And that requires a program of crusade. You know what I'm saying? Like eradication of an enemy. and not go ahead turn sorry no i just wanted to add to that too and i think that component of leftism right um like small l i guess right um that they're most concerned with in eradicating is multiculturalism you know yeah and you were talking you were talking um before um about sort of all of these

uh claims of self-defense but like if you like take it out and like sort of just extrapolate that it's like self-defense of the homeland, you know what I mean? And that necessitates again eradicating multiculturalism, you know what I mean? And yeah, man, I think too, targeting people who they're not even trying to deport is just to instill fear, you know, to instill the idea that you are thinking the wrong way. I mean, Tom Holman has said it best, right? When he says, if you are trying to interfere, impede in an investigation, we will, we will, I was about to say, we will kill you. He didn't say that, but I mean, that's essentially like how I took it, you know. Yeah, well, there's cops in Florida that have said things like that, though.

Yeah, yeah. Like, if you try to stop us, the next call your family will make is where to pick your remains up at. Like, there's people saying, man, you know. I mean, dude, even my mom has said to me, my mom has said to me, she's like, well, don't be a hero now, you know what I mean, and try to, you know, try to stop anything. And that's just like, yeah, they want people to be afraid to even do anything, you know. Well, and I think that they stand up for their neighbors. I think that they see that entire system of thought

as an impediment to a more efficient system of production, I guess. I just don't really see like once again, if you just like read between the lines of what Stephen Miller is saying,

it seems to me very much like they are, it has all the contours of a crusade. You know what I'm saying? It has all the contours of like an attempt to eradicate or maybe you could call it an inquisition. Maybe that would maybe be a better word. Like an attempt to eradicate like dissidents or heretics within the larger political body.

Because it just, it's just become too arduous for them. It's become too, it's just too much, right? It's just much easier if you can just eradicate the entire, anyone to the left of fucking Marjorie Taylor Green, right? It's just like, I think that that's, that is, a more expedient option for them. And if you look at what they're doing with ICE, the fact that they are spying on so many American citizens, when I was a fucking teenager and they were starting to spy on citizens,

they were using like a, I mean, what was that? National Security Agency, FBI, CIA. And now it's like, now it's gravitated over to, like, the center of gravity there is just ICE. and like their special units. Like I don't know if you guys saw this, but the guys that shot

Renee Good and Alex Pretti were part of these paramilitary groups within ICE and BPP. One of them is Bortak, but the other one is like, it's called like a special fucking special response team, SRT.

So all the dumb guys that signed up to get the thing are not even like the guys. They're just like the, for cadre. But within that are people that are like trying to kill and all that kind of stuff. Yeah, yeah. So we have death squads.

That wasn't hyperbole. They're actual death squads. Not to make a trite point because many people have said this, but which is why sort of the claim that they just need to be trained better. I mean, I guess if they would be trained better, then they would just be executing people on site. I mean, which I guess is what they're doing, right, what had they done to Alex Prattie and René good.

But it's just, yeah, like training them better what would that entail so that they kill more efficiently you know i don't know well did you see i see the story about how in colorado they were leaving uh ace cards in like the special cards that they used to use in vietnam and iraq like they were leaving them in the cars of the people they abducted yeah it's like i mean like it's just uh it's like phoenix program type shit it's they it's debathification it's like a pure it's a purifying like cleansing fire that they're going for. It's, like I said, it's a crusade.

The difference is, though, is, like, I don't know if you've ever heard of this book called Montayyu, which is about, like, the Hathar Albigensian heresy in, like, the French countryside in, like, the 1200s. And the Catholic Church, like, inquisitors to root out the heresy. And the inquisitor they sent was this guy named Jacques Funier, who was very, very much, like, the character in Inglorious Baxter's played by, um, who's that German guy? You know, the one that's...

Oh, yeah, yeah. Like, Christoph Waltz. Christoph Waltz. Like, those are, like, kind of your quintessential, like, crusader types. Like, they're very effective. They're very, you know, ruthless and shrewd at what they do. They're very well put together. And you could tell us who Greg Bevino thought he was.

Like, even down to that weird... The garb and everything. That's my point. Like, today's Nazis don't. don't have those types of guys. Like they don't have like the stage tried and true like patient, um, methodical like working, you know, cogs in the machinery types, right? Like the middle managers.

Like they all want to be stars. They all want to be podcasters. They all want to be viral influencers and whatnot. You know what I mean? Like they don't have the, they want to celebrate it. They want to revel in their violence, you know. Yeah. They don't have the cadre who's willing to do the methodical slow work of actual, actually

implementing the crusade, so it's just brute violence and death squads doing it, right? Like, it's one reason why it's kind of blowing back on them now. But, like, I don't know. I'm very, I mean, I'm very skeptical of Trump and them saying that they're going to pull back on certain cities and not go as hard because they've already invested. There's a $70 billion bill. Like, they gave I $70 billion. They're talking about these concentration camp warehouses.

Like, you think those are just going to go away, like, anytime soon? Like, they're going to find out different ways to ensnare our people. and, you know, put them in these places. I mean, and I'm sorry, too. I know that I read that, um, Bovino, um, internally, um, there was, excuse me, there was pushback against his sort of sweeps, you know, like these, um, like, untargeted and I guess you could say raids, right? This dragnet.

And that, um, homin now is more so advocating for like, you know, targeted, right, operations. But either way you slice it, man, I don't know how you make the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the deportation, the kidnapping, the deportation of people less violent. It's inherently a violent operation and process, you know. Yeah. And it's obvious that there are individuals, I mean, all of these ice guys, they enjoy that shit. They revel in it.

Like, whatever sort of G.I. Joe action figure fantasies they have, like, you know, taking on the enemy, right? Almost like a foreign enemy in the streets of this country. Like, they live for that shit. So, I mean, it doesn't even matter the method. of operation when you have guys that want to just go straight out gung-ho and just execute people in broad daylight,

you know? And if you've talked to anybody in Minneapolis right now, they'll tell you that things have not quelled down at all. And in fact, the ICE people have been going around basically doing retaliations against people at the Alex Pready Memorial, at various parks where people are gathering.

Like ICE has been basically going around and still terrorizing communities. It hasn't died down whatsoever. Right. Right. So I don't, I'm just, I'm skeptical of the pivot here. I don't, I mean, like, Stephen Miller, that guy is a dyed in the wool Nazi, right? Like, these are neo-confederate. They want to eliminate a solid chunk of the population.

Like, they don't, don't, they're not just going to go away. You know what I'm saying? Right, right, right, right. I, I, um, well, the art. article I wanted to read, it was a little lighter fare, was a little more of, a little more amusing for talking about like some, some, you know, libs and how they're interpreting everything.

This is... If you mention Will Stance on that, again, the shake, fall fire must be placed up front. Yeah, I, not any shakes in this story as far as, as far as I can tell, but it's possible. I mean, just keep your eyes out. This is in the Atlantic.

This is doomsday prepping for Trump's third term. Dimitri Melhorn has created a fictional world to game out constitutional collapse. So we're going to be doing a little role playing today. We're going to do a little role playing. What was that game called Age of Empires or Civilization or some shit like that? Sinai or civilization? Yeah. Okay.

I saw Little Waynes playing their halftime show for the Super Bowl. on Sunday. Wait, Age of Empires has their own half-fat? It's like a T-P-U-S-A, but it's... No, I think it's actually, now, I'm mixing it up with that little... I think it's the little game, like where the, you know, I don't know what you do. Warhammer 40K?

Minecraft is some shit? No, it's not. It's like an app you play on your phone where you, there's like a guy that looks like a Viking and he like... Oh, Empire's thing. I know what you're talking about. I know what you're talking about, yeah. I think they're having a halftime show and Little Wayne's the headliner, so.

How many halftime shows are there? Jesus Christ, dude. Listen, there's as many halftime shows as there are political tendencies in this country. You know what? If we're going to bulk inize America, I think everybody should have their own halftime show. Well, maybe we should have our own halftime show. Used to, you'd have the Super Bowl and the puppy ball. That's what it was.

And now everybody's got their... It's almost like, you know, how somebody would give the state of the union and every, like, niche party would have somebody go give their own state of the union. It's a little like that. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What did this start? I didn't even, I've, this has to be a this year thing, right? Before this, I had no idea there were alternative halftime shows.

I didn't, I knew like, obviously TPSA has to do one because their guy got got, um, and Erica Kirk's got to make as much money from it as possible, but like, a video game halftime show. I mean, are the fucking, I draw the line at a Nambla halftime show. That's where I draw. That's where we got to draw. Hey, they turn in their application. Like, I don't know about that.

Okay, this is, yeah, doomsday prepping for Trump's third term. Betting money puts the odds of constitutional collapse in the U.S. at about one in 25. Anyone can wager three or four cents on polymarket, cal sheet, or predict it that will pay out $1 if Donald Trump wins a third term in the 2028 election. An impossibility, according to the plain text of the 22nd Amendment, no person shall be elected to the office of president more than twice. Dimitri Melhorn, a former Democratic strategist, thinks that the chance of political apocalypse is about 20 times higher, and that Americans need to start prepping now.

He recently secured dual citizenship for his family on the Caribbean island of St. Kitts and is obsessively thinking through this. Wait, hold on, hold on, hold on. Oh, look. America's going to collapse, so I need to get the fuck out. That's really funny. Well, at least he had the decency to wait it out. There were people, like, when that head fake or trial balloon for coup articles were going

around and for Trump first one, that were like, fuck this, I'm going to Canada. I mean, to me, if I'm getting out of this place, it's not because democracy died in darkness or where Trump got elected to a third term. it's because like it's because the things already happening will have intensified and they're you know trying to put me and my family in a concentration

it's the aforementioned death squads thing yeah yeah not not because we got a constitutional crisis or I mean or also even just the material factor included with that it's just like it's just going to become increasingly unaffordable

you know what I mean yeah I mean Trump is Trump said he has been saying it every week this year so far, he will not be lowering the costs of housing. He would not be lowering house prices. In fact,

he wants higher house prices. He said it over and over again. To make affordable housing for younger people would mean eating into the wealth of the boomers and he's not going to do that. Well, in fairness, they are building affordable housing in places like Charlottlesville. That's true.

That is true. That is literally wide. So, Terrence, I take exception of the fact that you say they're not doing anything about that. He styles himself a doomsday philosopher of the worst case scenario. Of this worst case scenario. Sorry, I need his best one. To him, once again, the worst case scenario is Trump getting a third term. It would be bad. It would not be a good sign, but like, I would say that like everything I've seen happen in the last 10 years

has already convinced me that like it's a lunatic asylum. right. Like they're like we're surrounded by fucking maniacs who are genocide. I'm going to be honest with you. You tell me about the odds there. I'm over here doing the birdman hand rub thinking I'm going to hit a lick because I think it's a virtual certain day. Yeah.

I mean, well, look at the Democrats. I'm going to stop it. He's talking about nationalizing elections. And what that means is that currently every state runs its own election. Paradoxically, that's how George Bush was able to steal the 2000 election. That's the irony of Trump saying we're going to nationalize elections.

It's like, dog, the fact that the states run the election is how you guys keep winning. Like, you realize that, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that actually would be a... On a Tuesday last month, this effort brought him to a co-working space in Manhattan's Soho neighborhood to play a war game of sorts with about 15 finance professionals, nonprofit leaders, tech executives, and former Democratic campaign advisors. Let's just use fiction to just imagine things

so that we're not all bogged down in prose, Melhorn told the assembled players. As the first glasses of wine were poured, the end of the enlightened order, it turns out, is best contemplated with libations and cruditates. Just imagine a world where certain assumptions are true. The assumptions were these. It is December 2025,

and a term limited U.S. president is rapidly consolidating control over the military and law enforcement and pardoning criminal allies. To win, President Buzz Win Trip. That's, I guess... That's the president

from the novel it couldn't happen here. It couldn't happen here, Sinclair Lewis, right? Yes, yeah. Buzz Winthrop. And his team must increase their own wealth and maintain power or secure legal amnesty through 2030. They are competing against two other teams,

teams. One representing the business community, which seeks to protect and grow its capital and avoid prison, and one representing the defenders of the U.S. constitutional system in the rule of law. So there's three teams here, okay? One Buzzwin trip and the

fascists. Two, which they are fascists. I guess the fucking Libs were, you know, we never say they weren't fascists, but the Libs were right. He is really literally Mango Mussolini. They cooked with that one, dude. I've been thinking about that lately. They cooked with mango muslo.

We were too short-sight. We were too cool for it then, but. And then team number two is the business community, and team number three is the defenders of the rule of law. So you got shirts, skins, and then... Blouses. The game plays out over several 30-minute rounds as players submit their actions so that AI agents, the game-man.

can calculate the impact of each move and present new challenges. The premise of the game, like a round of dungeons and dragons, encourages players to check their personal politics and morality at the door and to try to think more radically. You have a man who breaks the law and that man is the strong man. Which bends, the man or the law? That's the question, Melhorn told me. If the president has proven in his first term that he will ignore subpoenas

and ignore congressional budget authorizations and pardon anybody who else does, suddenly there's no power. What are the remaining checks? Every check is gone. Let's see. Melhorn's ideas exist well outside the Democratic mainstream. His critics in Democratic politics

considers obsessions dangerous distractions built on fanciful thinking from the difficult work of winning elections and regaining power. The three teams prepared to split up and move into separate conference rooms to plot their strategy. It can be zero or one to two winners, Melhorn announced, but it can't be three winners.

He didn't say what soon became clear. The zero-winner scenario... Hold up. Hold up. There could be two winners a month. So you're telling me that, what, the liberals can collaborate with the fascists? I mean, like, it's a sound like. And both can win?

Like, I don't understand that. He says the zero-winner scenario means that the nation has collapsed into civil war. What do you think about that? I mean, I think that would that benefit. I mean, I don't know, because it seems like that would be like a, that would be a, situation in which like at least one of those groups of benefit right we're not going to collapse in the civil war we're way too housebroken for civil war and too lazy and atomized that's never going to happen like we will literally walk into the ice wood chipper before we descend

into civil war honestly at this point it is so much more expedient it literally in a way it didn't in a way you couldn't make this argument in the 1860s you can make it in the 2020s it's it's way more expedient to just secede to fucking Canada. If you're fucking Minnesota, New England, New York, Washington, Oregon, California, just to succeed to fucking Canada. New Mexico becomes old Mexico. Yeah, it's way easier just to do that.

Like, it's just, um, like, because we are, we are in a scenario where it's a non-zero possibility that like states could start withholding. sending their own federal taxes to the government, right? Like, because, like, what are they getting in return? They're just getting their president targeting their fucking states, trying to get their voter rolls, like, sending ICE in.

Like, it's just, they're not getting, canceling our membership in the World Health Organization so that California has to join it on their own. They're not getting anything in return anymore from the U.S. government. So. And then, like, game it out. So then what happens? If they secede to Canada or Mexico,

United States tries to like close their ports down Well fucking I guess we'll see how that goes But like if California If California suddenly has the Support of Canada Like I That means they also might have the support of NATO by that point Because I guess at that point effectively

The United States wouldn't be in NATO anymore Because we're being so bellicose towards them I don't know I just don't know if the America If the United States could hold on to those territories Right Kentucky, of course, remains neutral and all that.

As only. In any role-playing game, the rules shape reality. Players are given win conditions that define their motives and the game masters are given the ability to throw any obstacle in their way.

As the cheese plates arrived in Soho, the three teams found themselves in uncharted territory. The AI game masters told the players that an Oregon sheriff had started organizing local law enforcement in support of the Constitution and against the president's consolidation of federal forces. Okay, well, I just don't think that would ever happen in a million years.

Didn't that happen in the movie Civil War, bro? Was that kind of like the plot lot of Civil War? Was that what started the Civil War? Is that what was going on to that movie? All I kept thinking was democracy was dying in the dark. I just remember that Jesse Plymouth seat. That's the only thing I remember about that movie. That's right.

The president's team moved quickly to prosecute the sheriff for treason. The business community bought up national media properties in the hope of increasing its leverage with the administration. Constitutional defenders and lovers of rule of law began recruiting retired generals to counteract the president's consolidation of power. Okay. What do you think about any of those things? I don't know if like the rule of law people would Like what are they going to do? Launch a coup?

Like I think if they were going to do that They would have already done that Also are no when I say we I'm just I guess I mean like I'm not even like I guess I want to say the left Like the actual left Are we included at all in this game at all? No

Like just the idea of a militant left I like how this guy's looked at all the angles It's just like, no, that's not a fact. He's like, that's the most unrealistic thing that could happen. The only people in this scenario that would potentially want to preserve the future and not have it devolve into total barbarity? No, they're not included here. All right, well. You know what?

I think something that we're not like really thinking about here and all this schematic and how this ball shake out. It's like the big thing underwriting, like U.S. military, I don't want to say hegemine anymore because, you know, China's got that nitrogen bomb or whatever, but, but aggression, we'll say. Oh, but, oh, stick a pin in that, by the way, the nitrogen bomb thing. Anyways, is that a hoax? They don't have a nitrogen bomb?

No, no, no, no. No, no, they do have a nitrogen bomb. It's just that, um, the nuclear arms control era has, is now officially over. because on Thursday, on Thursday, the last nuclear arms control treaty between U.S. and Russia expired, and as you get imagined. They didn't bother to renew it? No, it ain't being renewed, dog. Okay.

So all bets are on the table. Yeah. Well, what I was going to say is that, like, and I think this ties back to the, to what we were talking about last week or maybe the week before about how, like, all consumer spending has basically been done by, like, not, like, the top 10% of, people or something like what was the what was the stat 10 it was um it's that like yeah you got it right consumer spending as a measure of as a chunk of GDP is only done by the top 10% of the American economy like the rest of us don't factor in in any meaningful way in consumer spending as

like I said as a metric of GDP well I think it's like there's like like an externality that's kind of being overlooked here, at least in some measure, is that, you know, Trump forgetting the maxim, you can shear a sheep many times, but skin him only once. Like, one of the big things underwriting U.S. military aggression is the fact that we're a nation of almost half a billion consumerist little piggies, who, when those piggies become surplus and can't buy, you know, gruel anymore, you know, what do you do with them and all that kind of stuff? but like at the same time what benefit like what what what bargaining chip do we have now for an outside invasion you know what i mean like if we just stop buying shit from china or whatever we stop buying shit from other places we just start antagonizing all the world

and every and there's inequality has got so bad that almost everybody's emiserated well fuck let's just bomb the shit out of them fuck them. You know what I mean? Fuck these assholes. It's like, you know, like that's a consideration we have. They can't even prop up their own military anymore. Maybe it's good. Maybe it's, you know, maybe we're fortunate that China has sort of, you know,

we'll let them fight amongst themselves while we were over here building society approach to that. But if they were a little bit more aggressive in arms posture, we could be in a world of hurt because we're taking money. We're not earning for them anymore, you know? Also, all of us will have shortened life expectancies. We're going to be like fucking mutants, like, with 80 different, like, diseases we thought we got rid of, like, 100 years ago. Like, you know what I'm saying?

Like the Morlocks from the time machine? Yeah. We'll be doing this podcast. Aaron will have rickets. Terrence will have tuberculosis. What's the disease you get from eating other humans? Is that prions? Pride.

Pride. Yeah. Just be thinking, I mean, dude, the cannibal world will be tough because we're not going to be able

to fill an army at that point. Like, you know what I mean? Yeah, that's true. Like, there will be a whole market for, like, human meat. It's just like,

you know how like pork, like all the old timers in Appalachians say that pork used to be way better 100 years ago. because they still had chestnut,

American chestnut, but then, and porks would, and porks, pigs would feed hogs. Hogs would feed on chestnuts, and it would make the pork taste better. But like,

blight wiped out the American chestnut, and so, like, pork change, like the taste of it. Like, in the new world, that's going to be the case with Americans, and, like, you're going to be, well, well, you know, this person has,

like, this is very bad, degraded me, because they, you know, ate mostly microplastics and TV dinners, and they got measles. This is like some mid-rate meat. Like, they ate, you know what I mean? You went to grass-fed humid or the one that's been living off a diet of high sea and hot fries, bro? Yeah. Yeah, it's like, it's like, yeah, this human now, you know, it's been fed mostly gas station food.

There's its fattening process, but that's why we're able to offer it to you at a discount. It's a little lean and stringy, but you know. Beggars can't be choosers in this new world. Yeah, dude, I'm fucking, I'm, I'm, I'm getting out. I'm ready for fucking cannibal. Cannibal Island. I'm going to start eating worse so that by meat is less attractive in that few years. Listen, I've been eating a high cholesterol diet for many years.

You don't want me. Well, actually, that'd probably be a bad. better. It'd probably fat. Yeah, he'd be like, oh, we went that one. Yeah. Nah, yeah, I've been eating grains and spelt, mostly. Well, and then there will be, there will be, like, RFK Jr. type people in there who'll be, like, we have to go paleo, like, you know what I mean? Like, the original humans, they only ate human meat that was, you know, that came from sub-Saharan Africa or some shit.

I don't know. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. You know, that would be even darker through racial classification. That's who we decide who we're going to fucking eat. Yeah. Jesus Christ.

It's happening. It's so dark, fuck, dude. I think I finally decided to quit eating meat now. I hope there's somebody that's too racist that they don't want to eat black people, so I'd be spared. Both the president's team and the rule of law defenders launched back channel negotiations with the capital. We're back in the game now. Conditions deteriorated rapidly. The National Guard in blue states

began to defect after being federalized by the president, loosening his hold on the military. Wary of the economic instability, the business community tried to relocate money outside the country, prompting the federal government to seize $600 billion. Then the president's team launched a false

flag cyber attack on electricity infrastructure impended on North Korea. The exercise quickly descended into the realm of dystopian fiction as the players wrestled with the same ideas that Melhorn has been developing. The constitutional defenders operate... Okay, I love the idea of constitutional defenders as like some material class in American life. You know what I mean?

Like, the presidents, you know, the MAGA constituency, you have the capitalist, but like, who are these constitutional defenders? That's not like a bounded, like, material demographic in American life. Those are just like six assholes who just believe you should do fascism more correctly. Yeah, that's like the three percenters of some shit like that, like the paramilitary groups. You know what I mean? Well, they're all in us now, though. They don't exist anymore, meaningfully. I mean, I guess isn't theoretically like Dick Cheney would be a constitutional defender in this schematic?

Is this what he's talking about? Or somebody like Scalia, right? Have you all seen the people saying, well, at least you got to give it to the Bush administration. They're not well represented in the Epstein. That's what we're picking. That's what we're picking between genocideing 2 million Iraqis or pedophile cabal. Those are your choices. Yeah, those should be players in this fictional game, actually, this role-playing game, actually.

What, pedophiles? I mean, just like the pedophiles and like, you know, the fucking neocons. Yeah, you imagine playing the game. It's like, well, one of you's got to be a pedophile. Or this is just going to go nowhere. We could have to pull straws for this. Or there's the one guy too eager to. be a pedophile. It's like, okay. Thanks for stepping up, Jeff. Also, if I could just see your hard drive.

If we're really casting these groups out of thin air, I want a cannibalist group. I want a group of guys like every week. They just go and like, they're always sprinkling salts on the guy next to. I'm like, what the fuck is you doing, Gary? Just seeing everybody's a steaming ham. Like poking in the rib just to see how much extra V is there. Oh my God, it's too funny. Well, you know, speaking of which, I don't know if you all saw this news, but they're rebooting the Faces of Death series,

which my first reaction was basically... Were you talking about those snuff films from the 90s? Well, yeah, the ones that I was embarrassingly old when I figured out that, like, well, at the end, they'll probably bring snuff films back now in this climate, but I was like too dumb to realize that, like, maybe you couldn't mass market snuff films. in the 90s, but I was like, I'd be the one guy being like, no, man, that shit's real.

That's real footage. I used to think that shit was a real. I'm not going to lie. There was an Epstein email that was like, Love the Torture video. Yeah, see, that's what I'm saying. That's why it's back. But that's what I was, I was reminded of the eternal words of Roberto Bellano

of it's absurd and redundant. And I found releasing faces of death right now is both absurd and redundant. I mean, I think like, I think like after a pandemic that like knocked off so many people after these jetticide of Gaza and ICE just executing people in broad daylight. I think, yeah, we have, we are the faces of death. America is one faces of death VHS incarnate.

You know what I'm saying? You know, it's famously like horror movies do better than anything else at the box office because they get such a cult following and all that kind of stuff. We may be entering an era of where horror is like eat shit at the box office first time. It's like, eh, I don't get enough of that at home. Holtsome movies Become the horror movies It's like

Rom-coms They're like completely horrifying To the new cannibal public Yeah Repalced Disgusting My best friend's wedding You mean I can have a relationship

With another human being That doesn't involve eating them Bostrii The Posturin Yeah Disgusting They don't understand They're gonna remake hitch

the Harry He's gonna remake Kevin James is a cannibal Will Smith is trying to coach him and the ways how to probably spice your meat

Yeah he would be Yeah The scene in Harry met Sally Where she's like Faking an orgasm As she's like eating You know Her meal or whatever

Like I'll have what she's having And it's a human It's a human Splein Yeah They just can't understand, yeah, like, be human beings. Like a deep fried head? Look like one of the big foe figures you get at games and shit.

Oh, God, man, that's dark, fuck. Okay, the constitutional defenders operating through Democratic state leaders found themselves leaning into the state's rights powers of the Tenth Amendment. By the later rounds, the Blue States had launched a tax boycott, worked to win over the military, embrace the Oregon Sheriff as a champion of liberty, and abandoned the long-standing liberal aversion to guns. Wait, did you say the Oregon Sheriff? The Oregon Sheriff. Oh, I thought you said the Oregon Sheriff.

I'm like, that will be a role. We need in the cannibal future, but. The Oregon Sheriff. Citizen. Your liver is not. properly fatty enough. Hand it over. Ma'am?

Are you eating your calorie surplus? You know, we're fattening for the day of the slaughter. Yeah, what is that, like, foie gras? Is that where they're, like, four-speed-ed duck? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Until, like, its liver gets, like, so fatty, it's, like a delicacy. Who was the first monster? It was like, let's put a duck in a cage and just make it morbidly obese.

Jesus Christ. A Frenchman. French, the French. It's right there in the name, actually. There are a lot of people with guns and military experience in this country, a lot of them. The Democratic Party does not have relationships with them at all. You start to have alliances built around the Bill of Rights and start having a notion that the tax, the golden goose of all this wealth creation is not just going to keep on paying if the federal constitution is clearly in breach. I mean, I guess I got to hand it to him. He's like, look, you know,

we're going to need to get some guns. We're going to need to get, like, close. We're going to need to change our relationship to violence and we might have to start killing some people so I guess as a Democrat a Democratic consultant be saying that is an interesting but it's just funny that I mean how late in the game

does he come to that conclusion when they already set up concentration camps like I mean I guess that would be the time right but I don't know maybe before that we're going to have to eat some of our favorites okay yeah some of our favorites Yeah, some of our favorites will be eating.

Some of our favorites will be tasty and scrum. Birdman and hand around Will Stansom. Sorry, brother, but... You got my plate, motherfucker. I respect your recent output, but... You're not going to tarry long in this world. Oh, shit. Some of our favorites will be scrumptious is heck.

Man. Within an hour of the game's completion, the AI Game Masters produced a 10-page... verdict on the winners and losers, summarizing what had happened and why. In the final round of the game, the business community turned on the president by a vote of three to two in their conference room, using their immediate empire to expose his role in the false flag attack on U.S. infrastructure. I like that information.

I like that, like that information or the revealing of information at this late in the game is actually something that would change anything. Oh, but okay. All right. dude like um food network in the cannibal world dog like Martha Stewart's like human ribs cannibal guy Fierry every host has a prong disease and so they just like

twitch randomly and stuff y'all know that show americans burr worst cooks and stuff like that but cannibal edition the worst the losers actually get eaten themselves what's a guy's fury's show it was like diners drive-ins and dives yeah diners drive-ins and dives yeah is there like a cannibal version of that dine dyers um drive-by drive-by drive-bys drive-bys drive-bion's drive-dirons drive-bys drive-bys drive-bys and prions give it takeout a new I fully see this becoming the way America operates it's like look on a long enough time line

like I said it's not revolution it's not civil war it's not even Balkanization it's just pure a cannibal free rule like where else are you going to get your food man you know what I mean yeah especially when you got a surplus population you're right um

let's see the president eventually fled on a military aircraft to Hungary the Oregon sheriff was sworn in as the president at the California State Capitol he went to Hungary see they're already thinking about it dog listen I got to go see what my man

Orban's up to before I come back I just love love how like in their minds is like the president the Oregon sheriff becomes the president Dude it's it's just It is literally just like that movie Civil War

I mean that it's That's what happens when you let lives Like think about the future You know But at least Alex Garland like Let the like he had the president And get killed at the end of the movie This guy just escapes

You know what I mean Well and it's funny Because humans didn't even really write this This is like AI They made the game master be an AI And like the AI came up with this It's like very not imaginative in my opinion. As with the first game that was played in Washington,

there were two winners, the business community and the defenders of the prior constitutional system. I love how the president never wins in their little fantasies. Like the MAGA dictators or whatever. It speaks to their fetishization of losing. You know what I mean? It's like even in a dream world, they can't conceive a victory.

Well, but wait, wait, actually it's the opposite. Tom, in this one, they, they, the president is MAGA. Like, the president is, um, right. Like, in their dream world, like, the president really doesn't ever win. Like, I guess what I'm saying is that, like, they, they don't see it as a possibility that the constitution could completely collapse, which it already pretty much has, right? Like, it's funny that you said the lives are actually the real constitutionalists all the time, because like, once their guy got in there, the Republicans don't give a fuck about the constitution anymore.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Not at all. Not at all. The business community and the defenders of constitutional system won. The country as a whole, however, did poorly falling into a recession. The Republic held barely, the AI game engine concluded, and only because enough people across enough fractures chose to hold it. Melhorn said he'd programmed conditions that would allow the president's team to win two-thirds of the time. But at both events where he has staged the game so far,

the president's team has only been the loser. In his view, this may reflect a design fall that he can address ahead of future gatherings. Business interests in real life would likely not move as a single block. Maybe his assumptions are simply wrong, and American democracy is more robust than he fears. But Melhorn also suggested that the president's team in both games may have been too timid, that the elite groups of players he had gathered lacked imaginative cruelty. Perhaps participants from rule of law cultures instinctively,

hesitated to deploy violence even in simulation. So damn, dog, he really is going to be like a liberal Ho Chi men, basically. I mean, like also to just the idea that, I mean, maybe it's true, but I don't know. There are like corporations, I'm not talking about small businesses. I'm talking about companies based in, you know, I think Minnesota that have nothing at all to say about this assault on democracy and this abuse of civil rights, you know? So it just seems to me that I don't know, man. They'll do what they always do.

they just whatever whatever will create stability for the profits to keep rolling in you know they'll just be like all right I guess we live under a dictatorship now as long as I get to fucking make my money yeah yeah well at least we can all go back to brunch

they're literally having brunch by playing this fucking apocalyptic game that's the thing about it I know dude it's it's it's echoes of like people with the rain corporation sitting on the veranda watching people play tennis while bombs are going off in the background in Vietnam

Yeah. I think that the people who play this game, I think they should, like, not just roleplay, but they should, like, live action roleplay as if the events of the game were real. You know what I mean? So increasingly, as the game continues, I think that they should impoverish themselves.

You know what I mean? Maybe begin eating themselves. Who knows? If some things break for us, and we're able to catch a break and we're able to deal with this thread in any sort of cogent way, we have to make an example

it's like like just like re-education and all that kind of stuff like we can't do that the only option we have is a sort of like like we need to like string them from a high tower and let giant birds of prey pick at their liver like prometheus or something is that prometheus it has to be it has to be said that what they're simulating

they're simulating reality actually happening. Like, they're simulating the collapse of a constitutional democracy when a constitutional democracy is already collapsing all around them. That's kind of what's real about it. It's like war games ballot box a dish. Like, did you guys see this? Brian Kilmead from Fox just said out loud that ICE pulled out of Maine to protect Susan Collins' re-election campaign.

He said huge arrests over in Maine, although they're winding down a little to help Senator Susan Collins, who's going to be in a tough fight to keep her seat. And why does the president want Susan Collins to win? She's about the only Republican that can win in Maine. They don't want to flip that seat. I mean, it's just like they're using ISIS strategic political, like, you know, as a form of, like, political warfare, essentially. So, like, I, what they're simulating in this game has already come to pass. Right, right, right. Right, right, right, exactly, exactly.

Yeah, but I mean, I think that's the thing, too. I think there's this sort of fetishization of like this grand, like cataclysmic, apocalyptic event. When, like you said, Terrence, it's just crumbling around you, but you can't even fucking see it. Yeah. Or maybe you do see it, and that's why you want to do this game, but the point is that it's not going to be like this flashpoint event, right? Right. Right. Right.

Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. So, you know what I mean. That's exactly right, Aaron. That's a good point, actually.

And I think a lot of us have felt that way for a long time too, right? Like there's some event horizon you pass through and then all of a sudden like you're there. When in reality it's, you know, just look at what's going on. Like this is a fucking lunatic asylum. Everybody's lost their goddamn mind. That's true. It's true. It's all I felt like watching that video of Kid Rocket like whatever that was, CPAC or whatever.

Everybody's like seeing me along to this. It's like surely to God, y'all, not enjoying that. I don't have anything else to add I don't know if you guys do no I just I just actually you know as I think about it more and more you know cannibal USA you know

and it seems like it seems like yeah maybe maybe it won't be so bad you know well I mean they've already started manufacturing consent with it about with that Luca Guadino movie with Timothy Shalman

where he's a camp. What's that? Bones, was it? Bones and all. Marri, you're not familiar with this. Barri, Supreme was I Eadiggas? He was he and diggers? He was he a dix of that movie? No, that's a different. It's a different movie.

What is it? Bones and all? It's like he uses an eyeball for the ping pong. Yeah, he bouncing back and forth. Hold on a second. What is that? Yeah, Bones and all. I never heard of this. 2022.

too. A romantic horror film. Just like what we're talking about. Okay. Anyway. Yeah. Wow. I'll become quaint soon.

Man, we got to read this article on the show on Monday. It's way too long for me to read it now, but the GOP senator who can't stop thinking about the boy ICE detained. It's about Katie Britt, who's an Alabama senator. We got to read this on the show on Monday. I've been seeing a lot of this lately. A lot of Republicans being like, well, like we said a second ago, Ron Wicker or whatever from Mississippi. Like, it's like this is exactly what you guys wanted.

What's wrong? Like, is it not, it's not what you wanted? You didn't want blood and soil, like a fucking chopping down the tall trees? I thought that's what you wanted. Man, my mom said something the other night, man, that I wanted to bring up on the show because, you know, I always mentioned her as a barometer, right, for like the average American. But she said something that was so salient. She said that all these right-wingers, they got what they wanted, but they lost what they had, you know?

And she was talking about this in the context, one, about all these. That's bars, by the way. Yeah. Yo, it was all bars, bro. She was talking about it, not just in the context of all these conservatives who had lost their jobs, right? Whether it was with the federal government or whatever, right? but also like the loss of like and I don't even know how much

stock I should place in this idea because I don't know if they believe it but the loss of these like quote democratic norms you know what I mean like within reason you know like all these things that they're now horrified about well you got what you wanted but you know you lost anything

tethering you supposedly right to to I guess the more moderate right position right that or assumed moderate position of your heinous views you know what I mean not that like oh we should have Greg Vivino, but we should have Tom Homan. It'll be a little bit nicer, you know? You don't even have fucking that anymore, because how do you put the genie back in the bottle at that point?

I think you could basically sum it up by saying this. Internationally, they wanted every single political, polity, political entity run by an insane right-wing populist government, and they wanted Trump to be the backstop of all morality and law globally. And there is a massive contradiction at both of those two desires. One of which is that a world full of right-wing nationalist psychos running their own countries just by definition entails the whole thing to fall apart because nationalist psychos are going to be engaged in competition with each other's nationalisms and countries, right?

So like that means that there can only be one winner in that situation. The second contradiction is that if one man is the backstop of all morality and legal framework and say so, what happens when he dies? You're right, Aaron. It's like, you got everything you wanted, but once that is gone, there's nothing left except...

In fairness, they did pick the right man's morality to backstop everything, though. You got to admit that. He's a little old, but... Trump's a good arbiter of right and wrong. I do agree, yeah, for sure. Yeah, I don't know In Cannibal Road, I think I'm not eating him

I don't want to eat I don't want to have to eat that That's disgusting I don't want to hear y'all about embracing cannibal world Till y'all go watch Bones and all And Cannibalism Y'all are posers Y'all for shitheads and posers

About cannibalism What if I watch it I'll become more devoted to cannibalism It'd be concerning What about that like The Hills have eyes There were some like Cannibalism

Yeah, the hills have eyes Yeah Now we're getting, now we're getting into besmirching my people. Okay. No. That was, that was a concerted hit piece on the American Hillbilly. Dog, that took place in New Mexico, motherfucker. Well, I...

Who's seen the movie now? That is true. I guess that is true. Oh, shit. Oh, man. Oregon sheriff. I'm not going to forget that, but... The Oregon sheriff.

The Oregon sheriff That's episode title It's either that I like when we have Competition for episode titles It's either the Oregon sheriff Or what is what we say Diners,

Prions and Drive Biles Oh shit Oh just a diet to call priors yeah prionnes but it's done up in the retro

futuristic like sightage you don't understand yeah you got like a jute box in there and it's all like songs about like you know eating people or whatever you drink milkshakes made out of bile

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some of these thoughts a little more about Epstein bang the table and comment release the files if you want the files release though No I'm not releasing the files That episode I do not see how you thought

that was a good episode It was so bad I don't understand The first 20 minutes is good I thought it was you at your bastard You were just like No fuck this Dog

dog I guess we'll never know I was like I was just rambling about fucking faith yeah that sounds like some of the people

people like would listen to parents need little faith that they love that's not canonical it's a B-side you know anyway

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