Trillbilly Worker's Party - Episode 434: II Huckabees 6:66

Episode Date: March 5, 2026

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Have you been following the ongoing Burger Reich burger tasting devil's milkshick competition between the CEOs of all the major burger companies? It started when the McDonald's CEO did a classic devil's milkshick and tried to take a bite of his own burger. He kept calling it product. And he couldn't bring himself to actually take a full bite. He just did like a little nibble. Oh, is this the, the Big Arch Classic? The Big Arch Classic, yeah. That has this new menu item, I noticed.

Oh, that must be it. The product is the Big Arch Classic. And then the Burger King CEO responded by taking a bite of his own product. And then there is... That was a milkshake? Yes, and then the Windy CEO. It's like, could you come up with a... I get that it's all marketing, obviously,

but for this to coincide with the start of World War III, like the Burger Reich breakdancing competition, Burger Reich Olympics to start beginning of World War III. Well, I mean, I guess that's the highest form of American warfare, right, competing companies, you know? Competing burger companies are competing burger companies at that. Yeah, just the perfect distillation of the collapse of empire, about it. So at what point do we get to

these burger companies equipping themselves with ICBMs, you know? To like bomb the headquarters. Well, like I saw Glenn Beck had George Washington on his podcast recently and he made him sexy as fuck. He made like George Washington.

It was AI, but he made him. Yeah, was that Chad George Washington? Was that that? Yeah. That's what I was supposed to say? So what? Like, I guess like, you know, he wasn't syphilitic anymore. Didn't have a slave dentures. He had a full head of real hair

and out of one. Yeah. He kind of looks like Gavin Newsom just like 15 years older. That is, actually that's a good call. That's very, yeah, he looked a lot like Gavin Newsom, 15 years older.

But he asked him like why would he make of the Iran War if it was good or not? And George Washington responded that they had to protect their own country through strength. And so therefore, that's what we should be doing now.

But he should have asked him about the- Iran or like the colonies. What do you think? Had to protect themselves to the strength. Do you think George Washington AI on Glenn Peck's program was like, you know, al-Ahmu Akbar? No, no, no, no, no, no. Oh, okay, I'm saying he's asked his experience as a general.

Okay, I got you. Death to the nation of America. No, the way you said, I thought you meant like, oh, he was just like saying, well, you know, the Iranians do have to defend their, I get you. That makes more sense. He probably would have called the Persians, though, you know. Yeah, yeah. And call them like Bahamadians and some shit like that. They would start to start riffing about, yeah, Xerxes, the third and all that kind of shit. That is an old school.

You're right, Aaron. That's like an old school slur from the colonial times. Mahamedians? I was reading a book once and I was obviously written back then and I saw the word I was like wait what I just still I still cannot get over that false flag shooter in Austin wearing a shirt that's just like a law a law rules to your point Tom last episode of the Patreon where you were saying that you think he was wearing a shirt that had like the Iranian flag on it he actually did man because I saw a of a

a photo of him. Now I have to question, now I have to question everything is AI. Terrence, you saw it too. I thought that was a joke. He was on a stretcher,

I guess, the body, and they kind of peeled back that white sheet, and you could see the blood splattered Rodian, which I'm pretty sure

something like everything horrifying gets leaked now or just gets posted online, but it looked like such a photo op where somebody was holding the sheet up. You saw the flag bloodstained shirt,

you know what I'm saying? And you had people mad at us for thinking that the Butler PA shooting might have been a little stage. Might have been a little bit spooky, yeah. I need to fact check that one real quick, Aaron,

because I saw that too. Yeah, please do. No, this is on it's on CBS News. It's in New York Times. It is all, yeah, it is true. Well, that's where it would be is on CBS News now. You know what I like to do what I'm about to commit a mass shooting in support of assert ideology?

I love to layer, I love to layer my fit, you know what I'm saying? So I got a hammer and sickle hoodie on the top and then a Shagavarra undershirt, you know. Yeah, man. But it's so farcical. All he needed was a fuck ice hat and he would have the hat trick. Well, it would be like if you wore

a shirt that it was like, I love Carl Marx. You know what I mean? It's like, yeah. Exactly. Do you remember like the early Cash Patel regime when like, they were like we just showed up to the, to the, uh,

scene of this crime. It was like this like shooting and the shell casing says stuff like fuck ice or whatever. You know what I mean? It was just like I hate ice. I don't even try. Well, Terrence, you had made the joke that at what point people are going to be writing their screeds and their manifesto on the bullet casing. I think that 9-11 hijackers should have wrote their manifestes on the side of the plane. Oh, the side of the plate. Or like a banner behind it. Well, I mean, I don't know. That's a problem with these like Christian national running the government is that like they can't curse or use the Lord's name in vain so they probably say stuff like screw ice on the word that's how you're not that is that's what it was that's what

the bullet casings were it was like a very it's like so let me figure this out here we have a shooter who will commit a violent crime but won't say fuck he's a conscientious shooter I mean kids might see those bullet casings you know that is true Come on, man. Think about the kids. Oh, man. You know, one more thing to just kind of throw on the pile here before we, like, really get into the meat of today's episode.

But, like, as I was telling you guys, well, I don't know. We'll get into it. But one more thing. Mike Huckabee playing Sweet Home Jerusalem. And, like, on the bass guitar, you know, like, just rocking out in the in times is it is it jerusalem the proper pronunciation the biblical is it not i mean i'm the i'm there's in jerusalem it's that i can there's no j sound in hebrew i think is why okay okay so if you're really really into the bible that's how you

pronounce it okay uh-huh yeah yeah yeah if we're really really into that and that was like only the second biggest mic huck could be headline the other one was when he was telling the troops to procreate or whatever he's told them the breed no no no no he's He was telling Israelis. Oh, in the bunkers. He was telling Israelis in the bunkers in the bomb shelters that if you have a, if you have a child in nine months from sheltering in the shelters, name the little bugger after me. And just thinking of like all these Israelis running around named Mike Huckabee. Mike Huckabee Horowitz.

Huckabez. Huckabez. There's the Maccabees and there's the Huckabee's. The Huckabees. Yeah. Yeah. I thought you were saying that he was telling them to breed like rabbits while they're in the shelter? He was.

Okay. He was telling them to me. Yeah. Jesus, man. The Maccabees were warriors. The Huckabees committed covert cane aside. Wait. I got to ask, does that mean that Mike Huckabee is encouraged?

Because I've seen the inside of these shelters. It's not like there's any private space. it's just like a common area. Does he want them to have, like, be sucking and fucking, like, orgy? He wants it to be bacchanalia down there. Dude, it makes a lot more sense now, actually. Like, his fetishization of Israel and Israelis is a sexual fetishization, probably. Like, he likes to see them, he likes to watch.

He likes to see them procreate, literally. Name the little bugger after me is like, did you have... Oh, my God. There's also something really like, how can I put it? There's something really disturbing about the way that, because y'all remember that story where apparently after bombing Palestinian villages and Gaza, like you would have people that would go in afterwards and scrape through the rubble for DNA, you know? And shit like that.

Like it's just like, or collecting sperm. Like it's this we really weird Nazi like fetishization with progeny. you know what I'm saying? That I guess even continues to Mike Huckabee telling them to breed like rabbits in a bomb shelter. Yeah, I... You imagine that it looked like you just have Tarrantino in the corner and a cuck chair jerking off. But his face still looks like in the face in the picture where he has like a thousand yards there. Yeah, with his dishevelled hair just beat his beating his head.

That's disgusting, God. Oh, man. Quentin Michael Huckabee, Tarantino Horowitz. That actually, I do like the historical symmetry of the Maccabees, slowly over time just becoming the Huckabees. Also, too, you were saying all those days and just made me think of, I'm pretty sure there's a street. I could be wrong, somebody should look this up,

there's a street somewhere in Iran. I don't want to say it's Tehran that's named after Bobby Seals, I think, you know? That honors, like, you know. So you'd imagine, I guess you'd have like a street and Israel name you don't have after Mike Huckabee. Maybe Alan Dershowitz, you know. Yeah, 100%. Dershbert. Beridable, who's who.

Sex criminals. I mean, every leader, every leader of that state was probably in some way, either in the Joe Pah sense or in the Sandusky sense, involved in some sort of activity. Either fucking kids or turning a blind. To the fucking of kids. Which makes it all the more insane that, like, I was telling Tom yesterday that, you know, there was this news story that came out that Trump was going to be protecting oil tankers in the Strait of Hormuz, like sending the Navy to protect world tankers. And, like, I was telling Tom, like, I got a buddy back home whose, like, younger brother is in the Navy.

And I was, like, putting myself in his shoes. Like, dude, just imagine how demoralizing it must be. To know that you could die for petos oil companies in Israel. And then most of all in the ocean, you know what I said? It's like on a body of water, I mean, you know. I think like, remember that World War II story with like the, the USS, whatever, got sunk? And like the majority of people on that ship didn't die from like gunfire or explosions, but like sharks eating them and stuff.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a USS Indianapolis. Dude, on top of that too, I think two of the worst ways to die are either drown or die by fire. And you are like sitting on oil in a body of water to potentially get. And the better option is to take your chances with the, I think they were like, white-tip sharks during a feeding frenzy. Dude, I think like I saw like South Korea has like nine days worth of liquid natural gas. left. Like, parts of Europe are telling, well, I mean, I read a story, like, obviously places like

Cambodia, I think, or Thailand, are having their citizens ration gasoline and, like, gasoline and natural gas rations are coming to Europe as well. Like, it's, we might be, in, within a two or three weeks time span, if this is still going on. Like, we will be, like, we will be, looking at a qualitatively different world. I mean, we're talking rations, mass refugee crises. Like, you've got people, you've got this, you've got this, like, various countries in the EU prepping their citizens to flee, to basically, like, leave their countries, and so you're going to have potentially mass displacement within Europe and then outside of it.

But then, like, this is, like, a aspect of this that never. even gets talked about, there's probably going to be a mass refugee migration out of Iran as they continue to try to turn that place into a fucking basket case. So you know what I'm saying? There are so many eventualities that I mean obviously were not considered that I didn't even consider, you know. Well, and with this policy of decapitation, which in Terence was talking about the other day, Trump administration's dramatically underrated Iran's ability to weather,

the U.S. dropped, and this speaks to the cruelty of what we're doing, too. You used five years worth of tomahawk missiles to carpet bomb Tehran, which is, which also reverberates out further because, like, guess who they're going to come to to write the check for that? Guys like us, you know? Like, so, like, we have to, like, you know, underwrite the cruelty that nobody's, like, you know, except for the most frothing that the mouth lunatics is on board for, you know, that they're doing.

So it's like, not only are they doing crimes against humanity, they're like just looting the coffers at the same time, you know, and leaving us to hold the bag. It's so fucked up. I mean, go ahead, Terse. No, no, I was just going to say, too, I've even been seeing, I mean, Matt Walsh is probably not the best example, but he's one example.

I think we might have mentioned on the Patreon, just the gear starting to turn in these conservative heads, you know, where they're like, wait, is this? what I voted for, you know? I didn't want war with Iran. Yes, you dumb fuck. Yes, from the back a million fucking times. I even read something that J.D. Vance had personally disagreed with the bombing, but

once it happened, he was basically like, okay, we need to get this over as quickly as possible, you know? Yeah, I want to talk about that, actually. Before I move on to that next point, I also just want to point out on my point a second ago that a massive quantity of the world's fertilizer also goes through the straight of Hormuz. and so, you know, we're getting into planting season here in the United States. Famine. Yeah.

Like, this is a major global chokehold, right, bottleneck. And, you know, obviously, like, we've gone back and forth over the last, fuck, year. You're a year and some change over, like, trying to discern what's going on with the Trump administration. trying to pick out common threads, trying to, like, understand, like, is there a method to the madness here? Like, is it more ideologically committed? Or is it more just, like, total greed and looting of the coffers and whatever we've been trying to, like, suss out if that's even a correct dichotomy, if it makes sense to put one in the other? But, like, you know, you're already seeing cracks within the U.S. state, like, the U.S. National Security States approach

to this, because I don't know if you guys saw this story that, like, Hegseth and Rubio are apparently at odds with each other over the issue of ground troops. And I think it's, like, Rubio is hesitant about sending in ground troops, whereas Hegseth wants that, like, full war. Like, he gave this speech yesterday

that was, you know, straight, like, Sephiroth posting, like, straight, like, you know, like, we are the victors here. Like, we're not fighting a fair fight, and that's the way it should be. We'll kick our opponents when they're down. Like, we don't care. Like, you know, our war fighters are, like, them calling them war fighters to sound like

they're in Mad Max Fury Road, like our war boys. Oh, to underscore the fact that these are our fighters fighting war, you know? Who would have thought this from the guy that's covered in Crusader tattoos with infidel written in Arabic on him and who once didn't wash his hands for two years because he thought there was some health benefits to increase in his resistance to bacteria or whatever. Total freak, man.

He has infidel written on him in Arabic. It's not like a self-own. Or I guess that's like the ironic thing about it. I don't know. That's what somebody said. Well, he's got crusader tattoos for sure. I've seen, though. Oh, have you.

I mean, just, you know, when he's doing those half-ass pull-ups on TV with RFK. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, if I could just though, like, recap the last few days in Pete Hegseth's world, um, and Caroline Levitt, just all of MAGA in general. Um, when we recorded on Monday, Rubio had not yet come out and made the statement heard around the world, which was essentially, Israel basically goaded us into this. Um, like, we did this on behalf of Israel. Like, that's, that's what he said. What he was,

what he was trying to say was like we got intelligence that Israel was going to hit Iran first which meant Iran was going to hit Israel back which meant we had to step in but he you know pretty much backed into a corner on it said like look we did this on behalf of Israel and so then on Tuesday Caroline Levitt Pete Hackseth

all the usual suspects were out basically saying like that's not true they were walking it back they were backpedaling you know they were on your heard yesterday is not what you heard yeah yeah yeah And not only them, by the way, not only MAGA was saying this, a bunch of liberals were also saying this because they were like, this is an anti-Semitic smear that Israel would talk us into something like this. Brother, I'm going to go ahead and tell you something.

I don't give a shit about blood libels or any of that stuff anymore. I don't care. Do not care. Do not give a fuck. You could not give a shit and a fuck less about any of that shit. I think at this point anybody who falls for that shit I mean it was gonna work on them anyway you know yeah your brain did at that point

no no no no no no no no you forfeited that riot when you were vaporizing fucking palestate it's not even a riot okay but I'm just not trying to hear that shit but then also it came out yesterday Wednesday that U.S. commanders across

more than 30 military bases told troops that Iran war that the Iran war is part of quote God's plan and linked to Armageddon. A commander said Trump was, quote, annoyeded by Jesus to light the signal fire in Iran to cause Armageddon.

And apparently the military religious freedom foundation says it has received over 100 similar complaints describing the war as, quote, biblically sanctioned and a sign of the Christian quote, in times. Dude, if this is like the crusades, then it's like, I don't know, great value crusades, dollar store crusades.

Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah, we have We have Armageddon at home. Yeah. First of all, this has been driving me insane for three days because I think a lot of this is like the idea of like millinery and eschatology,

like we've talked about this a lot. This is not like a century's old idea. Right. Okay. Like there were Christians, you know, again, like we've talked about, even in Paul's time, he thought that Christ's return was imminent.

So like the idea that Christ's return was imminent. So like the idea that Christ would return is not, that's, that's, that goes back a ways. But the idea that like there's this ultimate battle and Christ is going to part the clouds on a wide horse and all that shit is only about 200 years old. Like frankly, there's no consensus on like the rapture and those type of things. But as a young man growing up in a church that believed those things, like I just thought that was like doctrinaire. And it's definitely not. It's cult shit. It's like being a Zionist as a Jew.

You know what I mean? It's like, in fact, Christian Zionism is what produces that, like, sort of, you know, in times worldview and stuff. So much so that it's, dude, I just don't even like engaging with, like, even just like reading scripture and stuff like that. I don't even like engaging with that shit just because it's been so shit-cocted by. I can't read. I used to enjoy reading the verse.

It was like, you know, Christ says, I'm he that live with them was dead, and behold, I'm alive forevermore and have the keys of death in hell. I was like, man, that's good. He's really cooking with that. Now when I read that, I just think of fucking Hegg Seth, you know? Yeah.

I mean, I, you know, me and Tom were talking about this a few days ago, but I think like what's so astounding to me about all this, and we fleshed out some of these ideas on Monday on the Patreon, but to kind of also take it a step first, What kind of routinely blows my mind about this? And this is also in the context of Rubio saying that Iran is led by religious zealots who only crave the apocalypse, who will want the end of the world. It's just listening to John Hagey talk about like Trump is the anointed one and how like the end times are here. Or listening to or reading the stories about how commanders are telling the troops literally that.

what kind of blows my mind about the whole thing is the absolute arrogance and hubris to think that you could force God to do anything. You know what I'm saying? Like what is, if you really believed that, if you believed he was the almighty, if you believed he created everything, including you,

including everything on the earth, including the cosmos, to think that you as a man could force his hand on something like that to force, to bring about the end of the world? And I mean, also, too, at least, like, you know, back in those days, way back when, you know,

the stories that you would hear would be about some sort of divine revelation of God, you know. Like, I don't know, maybe some sort of symbolism where God spoke to you in a dream, you know. These guys are just self-deluded, you know. Well, it's, it's, yeah, you're exactly right there. And I mean, the scripture talks about it. Scripture mentions this in three or four. places, honestly. I know in Teselonians and Peter, in Revelation at least,

but the return of Christ is referred to as he'll come like a thief in the night, which means if you're expecting it and looking for it, he ain't coming. You know what I mean? Like, I'm talking about from their worldview. I don't believe that. Okay, but like, you know what I'm saying.

I like the description of it in Matthew from Jesus himself, who calls it a regeneration. Like, that's pretty vague. It's also a very positive word. Like, it mean a lot of different things, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Resurrection, rebirth, like that kind of stuff.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But the idea that, like, and this goes back to the creation of Israel itself, which in their own ascotology, the rapture has to have happened first, and then the state of Israel is resurrected and revived. But I think ever since Israel was created, I think they've, and this has to do with breeding the red calf,

it has to do with, like, going after Iran. They really do literally think that they are in the driver's seat, that they can, like, force some sort of eschatological or cosmological event, right? Right, yeah. And I cannot, I, if someone was telling you that on the street corner, like, how would you view that person? I mean, you would call social services, part. I mean, they want to hate to your point, terrorist, they want to hasten the end times, right?

That's like, instead of the guy carrying around the end is nigh sign, you know, He's like, no, the end is right now. Yeah, now imagine that guy has a nuclear weapon. Yeah, exactly. That's what we're dealing with here. Like, the most dangerous people on earth by Country Mile are evangelical Christians. They're a deluded bunch. I'm telling you.

I'd say that from experience. They are sick in the head. Absolutely. And I guess maybe this is like, maybe this is a moot point too. But, you know, just having you're saying, Tom, imagine that person. that guy, we're holding the end is nice sign having a nuclear weapon. I mean, now you have to believe at some point that the weapon capacity, right, the bombs, the fighter jets, you know, the ships, all of that.

You have to believe that they feel quite powerful and almost godlike, as if they have been or given these things and ordained by God to use this awesome power to just vanquish this immoral enemy, you know? Well, something that's kind of like, I mean, I tweeted about this last night because it was It's just been driving me nuts, so I have to get out all these thoughts. But it's amazing to me that, like, okay, let me just set the stage for their, like, end-time's worldview. Like, this figure, this figure of the Antichrist, a singular figure that, this is what a lot of them believe, is that there's a singular figure that's going to rise in the scripture says that he has the power,

the ability to call fire out of heaven. Okay? So, like, you know, let's just look at that box. check, right? He's got all the nuclear capabilities, all this kind of stuff, right? Okay. Now, let's look at another box. He is blasphemous, okay? There's been people interview this man on TV and ask him if he has, like,

repented of his sin, ask God into his heart, like the Christian conception of getting saved, okay? And he has responded with a straight face, I don't need to repent. Also, people pointed this out. This is not referring to the Antichrist himself, himself, herself, themselves. But there is. There is a passage in revelations about the foreheaded beast that suffers a, yes, that suffers a, like a mortal wound.

A mortal wound on its head. On its head. And then it heals miraculously and people don't know how it survived. And then with the 2020 election. And then Wednesday. And then was the 2020 election. So there's that. Okay, there's that.

To say nothing of his like serial philandering, pedophilia, uh, he's never met anybody. He's not fucked over. He is wildly charismatic as is the description in the, you know, like he will seduce people and that's certainly the case. It's just astonishing to me that you can jump straight to. He's ordained by God without kicking the tires on the possibility of him being the anti-Christ mentioned in scripture.

And I don't, and to be clear, I don't think Donald Trump's the fucking antacrest, okay? No, no. But it's just amazing to me that he checks every goddamn box. I mean, at that point, at that point, I think your political ideology, right? I mean, just the way that you should see, I guess, power, how power should be used, right? I don't mean whether you vote left or right, whatever. But at that point, it supersedes any religious doctrine, you know. So it's clouded, it's clouded by the fact that, okay, this guy might be the end.

Christ, but like, well, I like his policies. Well, if you just zoom out far enough, which, again, I, like, Tom don't actually think that. Like, I don't believe. Oh, y'all don't. I think it's funny that you just don't. Like, that's never crossed their mind this guy could be the antichrist that's trying to, like, deceive the nations. You know what I mean? But if you take into consideration when the book of, when and where the book of Revelation was written,

the late Roman Empire, decadent Roman Empire, right? A Roman Empire that was teetering on the edge of, not collapse, but definitely a social crisis that needed some sort of restructuring of the relationship of the citizen to the state. And eventually that would come

in the fourth century with Constantine's adoption of, you know, or at least letting up of persecution of Christians and his own conversion to Christianity. But like, if you take into consideration when that book of Revelation was written, you know, just pick out some of the themes, right? Decadence, greed, power, you know, unrelenting power, land acquisition, colonialism, all these things. And then if you just fast forward, like, we're obviously in a very similar, there are some of those themes. It's a different mode of production, sure. But it would make sense, to me,

it makes sense that Trump, of all people, would become the Messiah for the country that literally worships money. And that, I think such a society would be so arrogant as the thing that they could force God to do something. Right, right, right. You know, I...

When they talk about the invisible hand, it's God's invisible hand. Exactly. Like, it just, it rhymes. historically, obviously, but it just makes a lot of sense, though, too. But the irony of all this is that I think Trump himself doesn't even want that. The man has looked positively corpse-like every time I've seen him making a public statement or talking publicly in the last week.

He's like a red rash or something creeping up his neck. He's not built for it. Like he bet off more than it can chew. What's happened is Christians have been looking for this figure. Yes. And to consolidate power, he's just stepped into that role. He is just kind of like, and then he's not realizing, oh, no, like, I just want to be like a game show host and like, I think, pretend billion. You know what I mean?

Yes, if you look at his entire approach to governing, if you look at his entire approach to foreign policy, all this, it's always finding battles that he knows he can win, essentially. And the classic bully approach to everything. And in this instance, I think the moment that his face is, he's. went completely ashen was when the Iranians said fuck you, we're not negotiating anymore. Like this is a fucking joke. Like we're done.

You, you, and what's really, what's really so amazing about all this is that there was a report that came out from Oman earlier this week that said the, the, the, the plan, the negotiation, the treaty or whatever that they were signing with Iran and the lead up to this

was heavier on the side of American concession that like that Iran was willing to give up a lot that that basically they had conceded an insane amount of of things to the American side and they in American Israel still launched the war and I think at that point when Iran said all right even and after their leader gets killed they do this decapitation strike whatever that they love so much after Iran says no we're fucking done here there is no negotiation this is fucking war I think that's the moment Trump was like oh shit this isn't fucking Venezuela Because he thinks he just thinks he's thought his whole life.

And he has every reason to think that he can just get the jump on everybody. Because he's always, he's never been brought to account. Now he's fattened himself for the day of the slaughter, as the book James says. And he doesn't, and it's too much for him. He's like freaking out, he's breaking out in hives. His congestive heart failure is getting worse. Those arteries are getting real goddamn tight in his chest. Do you know what I mean?

Because this is one he can't win. And he doesn't. And yeah. I mean, this is what you get when you doubled it, man, you know. Essentially what you did is when you went into a room with Iran, made a deal negotiation. And as they were walking out, you had your cronies, like, beat them to death with, like, a lead pipe. Yeah. Exactly.

When you basically got most of what you wanted. It's like supreme imperial arrogance, obviously, which, again, has historical resonances. We've seen this before. This is an age-old theme and behavior pattern. leaders and empires um i just i just want to add to it's so indicative of not having any honor as you had said in the patreon terrence because you can't even you're not you're you're you're lacking in honor where you can't even hold yourself accountable to this deal you know well i i watched this video clip of him in the oval office giving a press conference and a reporter asked them like

why did you guys not plan if you were going to do this why did you not plan to evacuate all these diplomats and expats and everything overseas and personnel and whatever like i'm not talking about military i'm talking about like bureaucrats state uh department employees business leaders all this overseas and trump's response was i don't know man it's like whatever it was like it happened real fast and stuff i mean i got a lot going on right now he told a crowd in corpus christi he said I got a lot going on right now. That's a exact quote. You couldn't even give them a danger close word.

Self-proclaimed genius can do anything. Da-da-da-da-da. We're winning so much. And now he's reduced to like doing Bill Clinton staring out the window thing. You know, that is, before we get too far away from it, I do want to say that's a good point about the Roman Empire and like, you know, coming out of Pax Romanna and everything that was happening with the collapse and reverendant. and so forth, because the scripture does say of this Antichrist character that he will arise out of the revived Roman Empire. That's what it says. Like, if you need another box to check, you know.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I guess the point here is, like, I don't know about you guys, but, like, we've mentioned it earlier. There's this kind of wrangling between, within the U.S. national security state between, like, Rubio and Hexon. and there's also a larger conflict between U.S. and Israel, because they have diverging goals. And I want to talk about that in a second. But if I could just dial in for a second, just though on the U.S. side,

I think, like, something I've thought about is that not only is Trump, obviously, the, you use any descriptor of him you want, but, like, in my opinion, the best manifestation of late empire decadence, like a complete, a more, you know, psychopath, like, want to be

entertainer, like, wanted to be on Broadway. He's a grotesquery of everything that has happened to America, like, since the fall of the Soviet Union, pretty much. No, and no irony, you know, no coincidence that he's also a real estate mobile. Like, that's how, and that would make sense, like, in today's

financialized, deindustrialized America, that a leader like that would rise to the top. But, like, I also feel like this is true for all of his cabinet too. Because I don't know if you guys get this feeling, but it feels like everything that's happened in the last year has been like a showcase for each one of his little piggies

to like go out there. They have their own little pet projects. Like Christy Nome had her moment in the sun with the ice raids. Pam Bondi recently. Pam Bondi with the Epstein files. And now it's Hexat's turn to step up and have his fucking moment in the sun. But what kind of blows my mind,

and I want to use this as a way to talk about the divergence between the Israeli goals and the American goals, but what kind of blows my mind is I was reading the NBC story on that Minab Elementary School strike. Did you all hear about that? This is the one that killed 150 girls, 150 elementary-age girls.

And it came out that there was a double-tap strike, on it later. Right? Like they did the classic Israeli tactic of bombing a school or hospital. When people come out to collect the bodies of their loved ones, then they hit it again. This is a tactic that Israel has done over and over again. But like something that really astonished me as I was reading the NBC story and once again, kind of just dialing in on Pete Hex's in particular behavior over the last week, this guy, in the weekend he said, we're not fighting woke wars anymore.

Remember that? You mentioned that on the Patreon area. And he said, we're not fighting woke wars anymore. On Tuesday, he said, Israel did not drag us into the war, by the way. On Wednesday, he said, but our war fighters are going to be not using, falling into the protocols of war. And by the way, they are chosen by God to bring Armageddon, and we won't be doing anything like that. But then today, as this story comes out about the Monab Elementary School, he's saying, we've never target civilians. Well, like, well, which is it? Are we fighting the political war?

Are we fighting a non-woke war where we kill every man, woman, and child? Not that we haven't done that already. Right. Or are we actually taking precautions? I mean, you know, like, what? Like, I wonder if they're getting, like, if they're, I don't know if it's too soon to do polling on this, but, I mean, the polling has been on the wall before the strike even happened, right? But I just wonder what accounts for those little shifts in position?

Is it backlash? Is it some sort of, I mean, they can't be guilty. you feel responsible for enough for it to be eating away at them. But I'm just curious as to why the sudden shifts, you know? I have a theory in this. But I do also want to point out, Aaron, like the polling is something to consider. Something very interesting that Trump said this week, I think this was after we had recorded on Monday, that they would be willing to send in ground troops or do whatever it takes,

polling be damned. And this is something Tom and I were speculating on them. Hey, well, then dig into your own coffers, cock sucker. That's that. Yeah. You want to build a ballroom with your own money? Well, fucking... I'm not advocating for war if they pay for...

That's not what I'm saying. That shit should make the average American. Even if you're tone-deaf to all this, this should still give you pause. Well, it is an interesting question in one, Tom and I were speculating on earlier this week. Like, why destroy what few vestiges you had of your coalition with this? Like, if you're Trump.

Like, I'm genuinely... It makes no sense. It makes... It just must be his death rattle. I mean, I think the Trump presidency is kind of effectively over. And the only question is, like, what's on the other, like, side of this? Like, I think that you're just really nuking, like, the last little whiff of support you have, except for, like, you know, pedophiles that, you know, say stuff like kill all drug dealers

and pedophiles to throw you off a cent. Well, it's certainly. is a it certainly is like I saw Nick Fuentes and Alex Jones being like we have to like vote blue no matter

yeah we have to vote blue no matter who the only one we get Israel away from the Republicans is to get Democrats in and everybody in the comments was like well the Democrats are just equally as captured by Israel it's like what the fuck is that gonna do

exactly which I want to talk about the Democrats in a second obviously but like if I'm I think the thing about Hegeseth, and I think the thing about all these guys in the U.S. national security state, is that when contrasted with Israel, these guys are not actually the, like, bloodthirsty genocides that they want to be, which is somehow even kind of more dangerous and pathetic. Like, because the thing about the Israelis is that they are just, you know, blood dripping from the fangs, like, totally fine with annihilating every fucking block in, you know, on the horizon, knocking down schools, hospitals, libraries, churches, you name it. And they don't have any second thought about it, right?

Like, they have figured out through 70-something years how to manufacture an ideology that allows you an out. whereas the American side is so like kind of beleaguered and it's so kind of exhausted of everything that America could ever be. It's also just decadent, full, you know, in full decadence, you know, as a result of, you know, 40, 50 years of neoliberal decay at this point, that they have not really put together an ideology that would allow them to sleep at night with that on their minds. because every human, I'm sorry, every human being, like whether you want to admit it or not, unless you're just a full-blown fucking, like, you know, murderous psychopath, every human being has to sit with that in some way.

They either find out ways to repress it, rationalize it, or whatever. But I think these guys, like, HECSeth, like, they don't have, like, they are weak, is what I'm saying. I really do think, like, they don't got that dog in them, man. They don't, and I don't say that in a good way. I don't say that in a complimentary way. I mean, like, yes, like they don't, I don't know if that makes any sense. No, no, I want to add to that, too.

I also do think what they can't handle, and maybe here's, there's no silver lining, maybe this should provide a little, I don't know if I'm going to say even hope, but an opportunity of hope maybe, is that they will face public backlash, and that will reflect itself, you know, and I know this is the last thing people should be worried about we're on the cusp of World War III. but I think it does sort of affect like elections, right, if that matters to them or gaining power lawfully, you know what I mean, whatever that may mean, right? And I don't think that Israel has like literally an eliminationist project. And of course, this is a settler colonial country.

But you just have to deal with public backlash. You have to deal with consequences. Even if we all lay down and let them roll over us, they have to still deal with mechanisms that maybe not, maybe it won't hold them fully accountable. I don't know what I'm saying here. because how they're doing this shit without our consent, right? But they just don't have it in them, as you said, as Israel does, to complete this with the support of 80, 90% of the population. You know what I mean?

I'm speaking of overwhelming majority of Israelis. I'm sorry, you know? Well, I mean, to that point, I mean, people like, you know, I think about the rabid atheist movement and everybody that's like pro-Israel, been telling us for generations that the Iranians are religious zealots and they're just this and that and the third and the, they're nuts and like they're posed this great threat and all this stuff and you juxtapose that with

you got his idf commanders uh you know telling the troops that remember amalek and what amylex did to you echoing the book of first samuel where essentially the order is to go and kill all the women and children everything leave nothing standing you know what i mean it's like pretty clear that like wait a second and all the religious people the bill mars are the world the Sam Harris is all these people that were telling you that like oh that just just just care like just like just painting these caricatures of the Islamic world forever are now like sucking off this this yeah I think there's an I think that's the thing here and I want to read this I'm not going to read this entire article but I do want to read some things from it but for me

when we talk about like trying to understand the nature of the Israel United States relationship like because obviously we've been circling this for years now. You've got this debate of like how much leverage, how much exertion does Israel have over the United States. And I've heard it described as, you know, Israel is our, you know, aircraft carrier in the Middle East or maybe on the more conspiratorial side that Israel runs, has blackmail in the entire United States,

deep state and political class and they're able to exert power over them that way. Or I've heard it described as maybe more of like a feedback loop, like two colonial powers, sort of like ginning each other up like maybe before a fight or something. But like in... Love or is a murder-suicide pack. Yeah, yeah. I think that's a very good description of it, honestly. But I think though, like dialing in on it, I think what it really comes down is,

to and I said this to Tom the other night in the phone. The American political establishment is exhausted. Ideologically, they have nothing left. Neoliberalism has rotted it all out. There is no

there's obviously, for example, there's no democracy anymore. We don't have any kind of framework for human rights. What little we do have is hanging on by a focus threat. Let me say this there. I don't mean to interrupt. your flow here, but I literally snapped a picture of this because I saw this on the Lexington Herald Leader, our newspaper, to that point. This was the top of the thread above the

fold headline. Lawmakers move to weaken Kentucky Human Rights Commissions. Well, that is a, that's, I wanted to bring that up, Tom. That's a bill in Kentucky that is trying to weaken all advocacy groups across the board, especially as it relates to utilities. And, like, they don't want advocacy groups intervening on behalf of citizens anymore on these rate cases in front of utilities. It's like an in-game fossil fuel, like, dead end. If you go back home right now to Wadsberg, everybody hates Angie Hatton now,

who is on the PSC because she voted through all of these, like proposed rate hikes and stuff like that. There it is just to tack on to that point. If you see any rate cases floating around in your communities and stuff, that's a good choke point to really get people to come together on those things. Well, the point is, though, that, like, in a world where we have just consigned ourselves in this totally dead-eyed, psychopathic way, cynical way, nihilistic way, like, we have, we're all, you're starting to see the formulation of a political framework

that would not allow people to challenge that. Exactly. And I think that that is kind of what we're working towards here. Like there is no ideology of like democracy or rights left anymore. On the other hand, on the right part of the spectrum, I also think, though, that like their own understanding of political economy and where we're at has been proven to be more or less vapid and essentially incoherent in a way that can't really be held together

in the way that like Nazism was or anything like that. And so I guess where I was going with this was that, in my opinion, when you talk about the relationship between the United States and Israel, like Israel does offer an ideology in a way of approaching the world that is, it seems coherent to American leaders. the common thread

that binds them is just Zionism but the thing is is that means different things in those two camps with Jewish Zionism it is a very practical in the sense that like you it has an application in the immediate sense

and in the ethno supremacist sense like they want more land they want more people's land therefore that Jewish Zionism works Christian Zionism has no equivalent. It is just kind of vibes, and it's just kind of like

an abstract thought exercise for like when all other ideologies have run out. Like I said, like in a country that worships money, we have to have a Christ that embodies that. And so Trump has become the figurehead of Christian Zionism for that reason, and you can see like he's kind of uncomfortable with it. So what I'm saying is that like for American Zionism

is nihilism. For Israelis, Zionism is pure fascism, right? Like it's pure fucking oppression, pure subjection, pure bloodbath. For the Americans, it's a bloodbath, but nihilistic bloodbath. And that's why they're saying,

he's God's chosen vessel. Let's all walk into the light together. You may tell you're exactly right. It's like, we can't govern, we're out of ideas, we've exhausted every sort of narrative about ourselves. And Christian Zionism is an exit ramp to allow somebody else to govern that's ordained by God.

That being, in this case, this fetishization of the Jewish people. 100%. It's weird, though, because if Jewish Zionism in Israel is something substantive or material, I guess is what you're saying, Terrence, and I guess the American side is like more, I mean, it's kind of vapor of vibes, I guess. Although it is this myasma, you know? It's funny because, like, kind of, I guess, paradoxically, it is that vapor, right, on the American side that fuels and facilitates a lot of the material, I mean, the straight of genocide, you know, that we've been seen for the past couple years, you know?

Yeah. I think that, and that's, that to me explains why the Biden administration was completely, like, theoretically, you would think that they would at least put up some resistance to this. George fucking Bush was able to tell the Israelis no on at least two major occasions. Ronald Reagan was able to tell the Israeli. I think about that body. They've chipped away, they've sort of chipped away until they found somebody that's, like, feckless enough to, like, go for it in the character of Donald Trump. Well, and in the character of Biden, too. I think that, like, both parties have, like, put up these figureheads in the last, like, six years that are just, like, the decrepically. Zombies.

Yeah, just zombies, right? Like, and I think that America's lack of any identity of itself, any, any path forward, anything that would able to resolve any of the contradictions about it. itself without like just all blowing ourselves up and walking into the interior of Antarctica together like that fucking penguin like I think that like that that is a kind of I don't know it makes sense why they they extol suicide right it's why they talk about it in these like valoristic terms but I I don't know I mean like I wanted to read this article in the financial times that kind of like I said separates out the Israeli and US aims for this war Israel expects weeks-long war against Iran.

Israel is preparing for a multi-week military onslaught alongside the U.S. to fully, quote, dismantle key pillars of Iran's theocratic state. Can I just say something really quick, sorry. I like the term weeks-long, that qualifier, because a weeks-long could be months-long, really. It could be years-long, really. Whatever weeks-long may be to you, which probably means this is going to be something that's indefinite.

Yeah, a senior Israeli military official said Israel's objective was to, quote, dismantle the regime's military infrastructure, including the IRGC, as well as Iranian nuclear sites, military production facilities, and space and cyber capabilities. We're preparing for several long weeks, the official said. They said the third phase of the war was underway. Blah, blah, blah. A former senior Israeli official who is familiar with the current war plans warned that, quote, this will take time. There's a lot of work to be done. Iran is huge. I love the

I love how they didn't They didn't study for the test Yeah I love them Pulling out a map As this is going on I said God damn That shit is big as hell I think that

I think that's where the U.S. part of this comes in right It's just like Israel's like Oh man like It's way too big a job for us But Well we got big brother Coming through

Senior U.S. officials Including Trump Have provided a variety of explanations of their reasons for launching the war against Iran alongside Israel. But Israel's endgame was, quote, the total destruction of this regime, of the pillars of this regime, of everything that holds it together. The IRGC, the Basij, its strategic capabilities said Danny Sid Trinowitz, an Iran expert and senior researcher at Tel Aviv Institute for National Security Studies. Removing Iran's ability to threaten Israel was the obvious endgame, blah, blah, blah, blah.

But here's the part I wanted to read. Summarizing the Israeli government's position, Satrinowitz said, if we can have a coup, great. If we can have people on the streets, great. If we can have civil war, great. Israel couldn't care less about the future or the stability of Iran.

That is a point of difference between us and the U.S. I think Washington is more concerned about nation-building and threats to their regional partners. And I think that that is kind of... I just want to say, I mean, after... three years now, I mean, two plus years now, of watching Israel commit, like, war crimes, you know, atrocities, you know, against humanity. And I mean, obviously, the Biden administration covered a lot of this up or didn't allow it to leak.

The Trump administration is fine with it. But, I mean, even for the people who are critics, right, on the inside, what would not make you think that they had a eliminationist project with Iran, too? Right. You know, like, it's just kind of, you've seen, you've hit, you've covered up the evidence, right? that they are completely bloodthirsty psychopaths. You've tried to make everyone wear the inside out skin suit. But you yourself could not realize that when it came to Iran, they would have the same genocidal project?

I mean, I don't understand it. It's kind of interesting that there does seem to at least be a little tinge of that neoconservative, like believe our own horseshit about the better angels of our nature and stuff. But like there's no avenue we won't go to like achieve those aims, but like we need to keep telling ourselves that story so we don't think we're bad. people or whatever, you know? Yeah. But like the Israelis just don't even give a fuck. No, they don't give a fuck. He says here, we want to ensure Iran stays in disarray.

I think a lot of people have pointed out that obviously what they want for Iran is similar to Syria or Libya, and that is 100% true. That is not clear to me that that's what the U.S. wants. I think that honestly I'm looking at this and it seems like the U.S. doesn't know what the fuck it wants. And I was telling Tom this the other night. Like, it's not like the relationship between these two countries Israel's not been able to convince the United States to do this through some like mystical Jewish

magic or whatever you know what I mean there is no Zog in that sense Yeah yeah yeah they're not Yeah no it is it is it is a material relationship in the sense that there is The United States doesn't know who or what it is I was thinking of this With regards to

Think of all the wars we've seen in the last year pretty much every single one of these conflicts that we've seen in the last year has been done at the behest of some diaspora group within the United States, whether it's Cubans, Venezuelans, or now far-right Iranians who are monarchists, who are able to leverage and push support on the government to basically... And go this government into... Yeah, I think it appeals to the basest natures of this government, right? You know, as an empire, you know what I mean? So it's very easy for them to be like, okay, I guess we'll do it.

Just to your point, too, Terrence, about, like, that there's, that the America doesn't really know what to believe in. I don't know. I just kept thinking of the example of, like, if this is, like, a dying, I don't know if you can say it's a dying empire. It seems like we are in those terminal stages, right? The beginning of the terminal stages. But it almost seems like reflexive bombing Iran, right? Venezuela, you could say, is more calculated because it's sitting on, like, the biggest door reserve in the world, you know? But this just seems like, I don't know, like a dying animal that's just still, or maybe it's already dead, that's still twitching.

You know, a hit dog holler. Yeah, you're just kind of still twitching around and flailing, you know. I think, honestly, what it is is the two contradictory impulses of America sort of hitting each other and imploding. The first, the liberal, the liberal. I thought you was talking about the BAFTA Awards again. So I was like, Teres, please stay on track. The liberal thing of building a multicultural society that is welcoming of refugees and immigrants and having a common social compact that works in various demographics and groups into it

and gives everyone equal rights and all this. Running headlong into the imperial practices that create, large migrations of people out of areas of the global south and into the United States, that those groups can then call upon various aspects of America's history or its current governing practices to project back out that American power at those places. So like in Iran, you're seeing an exact example of that. the United States over through the democratically elected Mozadec in the 50s put the Shah in place who had a torture regime

Iran was not a great place in the 60s and 70s which then created the Islamic Republic in that process you have a ton of right-wing monarchists Iranians come to America and then they are able to exert their own political demands to the United States to then create another situation where we then go to war once again with Iran, bomb them. So more refugees are probably going to leave there and come to America.

You know what I'm saying? We start the whole process all over again. You know what kind of dovetails nicely about that, though, and this is like sort of a cottage industry of American, like, colonial adventures that we take, is you have this influx of refugees come to the United States, and that shores up our racialized underclass so we can keep the, you know, keep the cheap labor and all the things that keep like our military is not in the business of like and again I'm not saying like I advocate for winning wars or like conquest or all that kind of stuff but they

understand there's money to be made in losing wars too and just creating instability like yeah yeah you know what I mean because people come here and we can keep the cheap labor pump moving and all that kind of thing exploit more people da da da da da it's yeah it's too confused at this point though to like, I guess, you know, what I'm trying to get out here also is that, like, you've got a sort of racialized underclass of immigrant workers who are coexisting with these, like, refugee immigrants who come from these places that we've completely fucking destroyed and dismantled and turned into basket cases. And you've got just like the competing visions of America, but no one is able to articulate something that would actually be coherent enough. and I've talked about this when it comes to the left, I mean, we protect people who are going to be deported. We go after ICE.

We stand up for the people who are being targeted by ICE. But like, what are we articulating in the process? The dissolution of America or the restoration of an America that would protect those people. Like, I've just not heard it really. That's not when you talk to us, that's why we say something. We have to add six qualifiers to it because we're not even sure ourselves.

Like, what do we want to see here? Do we want to see the fall of America? Do we want to see a nicer, better America? Like, what is it that we want? You know? Yeah, I mean, I think we know in abstract those things, but, like, you can't just say, like, the fall of it without having, like, a, in my opinion, a specific...

I mean, there are people that do, in my opinion, have a very coherent and, like, kind of fleshed out program for this. Specifically, like I've mentioned them before, and DSA, like, the Marxist Unity Group, like, I think is a much more thorough and fleshed out vision of that. But like for a lot of, for a lot of the left, it's kind of, in my opinion, it's kind of like just incoherent. But for the rights, I don't even know what they've, to me, and the liberal, too, like

the liberal left, like both camps. Like, I don't know if y'all saw this, but Ruben Gallagow, you know, that guy? Oh, yeah, Arizona. Yeah, earlier this week saying that the invasion of Iran was dumb, but then voting for it last night or whatever. It's almost like they're on autopilot. You know what else to do. You don't have any new formulations.

So you just fall back on the thing that we've always done, except now you don't even have the conviction of doing it, you know? Congress is just theater. I've learned at this point. They know that they're ineffectual. They know that they can't get anything down. They can't govern. They know how to do that.

Dude, they voted overwhelmingly to block the congressional files on, like, sexual harassment stuff from the American people. Like, like. Yeah. Well, I don't think any of them across the board, anyone in the political establishment knows what they want, because I don't know if you'll sell this report, but like apparently word got back to Israelis that the United States had opened up a back channel to Iran. And Israel's like, ah, what the fuck are you doing? Are you wavering? Are you starting to waver?

You know what I'm saying? Like, they don't know what the fuck? Smack our wrist with a ruler. Let's get masaad to like, you know, do a false flag attack at D.C. to put you out back in check. Well, I'm going to tell you some. Maybe another black Muslim.

I hate to say it, but I think something like that is coming. Or maybe they don't even need to do shit like that anymore, but like... No, I think that it's like we were talking about on the phone the other night, Tom. Like, when this fails and it will, which I mean, I guess it depends on what you consider success or not. Like, I guess they could succeed in the Israeli approach of just empowering various ethnic groups within Iran that then turn the place into Syria where they it's just like this prolonged and protracted conflict that like no real winner comes out on top and it just kind of devolves into um you know I don't yeah I think they're going to have a harder time of that in Iran than they

would in like some of the Levin or the Gulf states or something though I think but I think you're right Tom it'd be harder there for sure but I'm kind of even thinking whether I know that um that one person in the article you had read Terran said that Israel, you know, disarray civil war is fine. But I don't even think that that's like the extent to what they want. I really do think eliminationists in the sense that they would just rather make it an unlivable society where people wouldn't even be able to cobble back some sort of government. You know what I mean?

That used to have some utility for U.S. Empire. Now in the context of like ice and the way like we're so like brutal to migrants and stuff like that, that doesn't even have any like utility other than to just like, like, I don't know, tinker with oil markets or something, but like that seems like a lot of investment to get not much on the back end of it. I'm talking in terms of like empire. I just, I don't know. I don't know exactly what the fuck we stand to gain there other than to just try to bring Iran out of China and Russia's sphere of influence, which is not going to happen, but like, I don't, I don't know. Well, did you all see Gavin Newsom? I'm only bringing this up because sort of no one

knows what to do, neither the right, the Republicans or the Democrats. But I did see Gavin Newsom already kind of, I guess, virtue signaling at this, you know, prospective presidential run, him saying that using the term apartheid, you know, apartheid state to define Israel, you know. Yeah. And I don't know, I thought that was kind of interesting because, I mean, you could say that, sure, I guess you could see the polls, you see that people are just disgusted with Israel. But what does it actually mean in terms of policy? Is it still? going to be on this autopilot where we just keep giving them money and weapons. It might be like Ruben Gallego who is just like, oh, this is fucked up.

Why are we doing this? And then just go vote for it. Yeah, exactly. It's autopilot, I think. I don't know. I'm thinking of that statement from Caroline Levitt this week, press secretary. If you don't align with, if you don't align with the values of the United States or Israel or you don't respect our country, our culture, our laws and our people, you are not welcome here.

It's like, we've talked about this. Who decides that, Caroline? You fucking. I mean, dude, I mean, like, I know people I'm talking about trampling on the Constitution. I mean, I think that shit is bullshit anyway, you know. But like... Oh, they never cared about that.

They never cared about it. But it's just like, you are the person that speaks to the press, right? The supposedly hollowed institution. And you're just telling them, like, fuck the free press, of course. But also, fuck what you believe in. You're not allowed to think this way. You're committing thought crimes by thinking this way. I mean, come on, dude.

If it wasn't so obvious that they're cooked, I would like that. would give me, I don't even care any of these people have to fucking say anymore because it's so obvious that they're done. Well, that's, that is honestly what kind of, if I could just get really, do we're here for a minute. That gives me pause. Honestly,

I really do, that makes me scared. Because you could not ask for a better ideological environment for nuclear weapons. I'm serious. If you are telling the nihilism and hearing in that. Just the nihilism and also the human uncertainty and panic that like you can tell they're all bat they they backpedal

one second they have they boast with their chest out for the next Trump is looking like ashen and corpse like the entire they're already surrounded by myasma of death yes it's a myasm weapon the the the the the ideological edifice is crumbling before your eyes you can see them like reaching for the one solution that could it's the great great equalizer. The red button the fucking nuclear football. I mean, you could literally, there are no checks left.

There are no breaks on Armageddon. Didn't it that that negotiation, whatever, pact, that a denuclearization pact start or something like that? Didn't that fall apart recently too? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it did. Well, that was the treaty between

Russia and the United States. Right, right. They didn't renew it. They were like, man. And I mean, France, once again, saying that, yeah, we're not going to keep account of our nuclear arsenal anymore and pretty much lent out nuclear-equipped fighter jets. You know, I'll try allies. Something I kind of throw up, too, is like, when you have Poland trying to figure out how to scramble and acquire nuclear weapons. Brother.

Dyer straits. Dyer straight of Hormuz. They can't, I don't, I'm, it's the age old joke, but you got to say it. It's, uh, if they can't figure out how to screw in a light bulb, I, I, nuclear warhead, much of us, you know what I've said before to. I've made the joke before that, you know, everyone should have a personal nuclear football, you know, so that the world is encased in fear like a diamond. But maybe they want that shit to break.

They would have break the fever, you know. They would have break the uncertainty. They would have break the fear because, you know, it's not uncertain in nuclear holocaust, you know. What? Let me ask you all questions. They're in, like, the era of, like, nuclear proliferation during the Cold War and everything, where us and the Soviets were like stockpiling and there was the nuclear arms race and then all these other sort of nuclear states popped up Israel later a little later on

Israel Pakistan, India, South Africa apparently. Yeah, like what was like the deterrent from pushing the button, so to speak? Like, you know, like you had Prince singing, Ronnie talked to Russia before it's too late. Like, why are people not more, now juxtapose that with then and the 80s to now? Do y'all remember like a year ago when people were like doing like nuclear cope? We're like actually nuclear war is not as like cataclysmic as we've painted it. Dog, I'll tell you, profit rates, brother. Private rates were much higher than.

You've seen a serious contraction of profit rates in the last 20 years. So you said if we're not making fat stacks, we might as well blow up the world? I mean, you know, to me that doesn't. make a lot of sense because less people means higher wages. Workers have more leverage. So if you're talking about eliminating like a solid quarter of the world, like that's also not good for the capitalist. But like I also kind of think, and this is kind of something that I've played with for

a few months now or at least a year now, that like the capitalist class knows that. And they are kind of just, they're just nihil. too. Like they would be, they're like, all right, fine. There's no solution here in which we win. Everybody should die or everyone should be a robot. Like there's no. Something else I'll tack on to that too, dude, is like commodities have moved from tactile stuff to mostly vapor digital. Yeah. Like it's even more incentive for that kind of thing because you don't need as many consumerist little piggys the world over, but particularly heavily concentrated here. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, why else would there be like an open call to get too

population 72 million U.S. I mean, there's a white nationalist component to that, obviously. There's a fascist component to that. But there's also a dollars and cents component to that too. And it's that like we don't need as many people when you're like basically you're dealing in digital commodities rather than like stuff you can touch. If you can't grow the pie and then expand your own interest of the pie,

then shrink it. shrink the entire pie and then therefore just percentage-wide there's more pie for you. And maybe you can come up with new products that are not irradiated. Yeah, I think I'm answering my own question. It's no different from the scene in Goodfellas when they do the Lufthansa Haas and then they go and they knock off everybody that had a piece of it until it's just, you know. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. That's exactly it. I told you this Tom the other night though, like in relation to Israel.

But when this fails, again, assuming it will, because it probably will. I mean, there is talk that, like, Iran, or the United States and Israel want to start arming the Kurds again, the Iranian Kurds and Iraqi Kurds. So go back to the proxy wars of the 2010s? Yeah, but the thing is, that makes no sense to me because the Kurds did worse under the Shah than they've done under the Islamic Republic. public they haven't done great under either but it would not be a good time for them under the shaw either under the monarchy so i don't really see what incentive they have like because looking at it from their point of view like you're not going to get a Kurdish republic i don't just to watch the hands of something that they didn't even know what to do with yeah i mean yeah did you see that thing

where somebody played a trick on resa palavi and they were just like they gassed him up yeah him to say on record like they should bomb the shit out of his own people and he was like yeah yeah like we need to do that now and it ended up being like a fucking hoax I mean that's total monarchy behavior bro like Trump Trump says that every day Trump's people say that every day like Americans should die like fuck like I don't care like but but but to kind of like like I really think that when this failed Israel will just start will open up a theater of operations on American soil, like an overt war, instead of like their current covert war

where they're just like years of lead, knocking people off, you know, sewing discord and descent, they'll just open up a straight up like front on American soil. It's some red dog shit, but his ID of soldiers parachuted, out of the parachutists. I mean, because like as Caroline Lemon says, if you don't support the values of United States and Israel, Because like that they didn't quit saying that

Like it's like we just Israel is us we are them like it's just It's like Trinidad and Tobago Yeah It is creating serious distortions like warping the field Like as you pointed out Aaron like Newsom Coming out and saying Israel's in apartheid state And and talked about them killing those little girls at that elementary school Like I um

It's pure opportunism But honestly, the more conspiratorial part of me thinks, like, they probably, what's the great way to discredit is anti-Zionist politics in America? Oh, get the most disingenuous fuck in the Democratic Party. Exactly. A guy that looks like, yeah, like he should have been cast in the movie Wall Street. You know what I mean? These people are all for sale. Like, there's that story that came out that they hire influencers for like $7,000 post or some shit.

That's absolutely true. That's absolutely true. My buddy that has a TikTok got approached by this outfit called the six points that offered them like 6,000 a post to just like make vaguely disparaging like content about Iranians. I mean, dude, it's like people were saying about those Gavin Newsom comments. They were saying, well, could you imagine a Democrat contender, a Democratic contender for president saying this like four years ago or something like that? I'm like, no, but, or like, I guess the last election cycle. But no, I couldn't.

The fact that he's saying it now, when we've gotten to this point where we're, you know, starting World War III on behalf of Israel, it was even more shameful. Yeah, you're right. It's more shameful now. And knowing that nothing is going to happen this late and everyone to say nothing is going to happen, but the Democrats are not going to push for anything, you know, at this point in the game, man. No. But got what they wanted. It's, it's the Democratic Party, and you see this in the fact that like none of them. will

the best of them I saw like Ed Markey calling it an illegal war they are beholden to the national security state and to which which is beholden to Israel

right so like they you are not one of their constituents don't ever fucking get it in your head that you're one of their that they will actually listen to you in what you want look who they pushed out to respond to the state of the union

the spook slacking a literal spook dude come on yeah and her she was literally Barger? No, it was Spamberger, right? Abigail Spanberger.

And she was even talking about the CIA, but how great it was. But Slok is the CIA operative too, though, yeah. See, I get them confused, sorry. Oh, man. Spook sisters. My goodness. I just, if there's any, anything, I don't know, any final thoughts on this, like, I don't know, I don't know, like, I just don't. And it's ever evolving.

Like, it's, it's a pointless exercise to try to at this point to, like, you know, You got to keep talking through it, you know, as it happens. It would just be interesting to see, like, well, it's not going to be interesting to see this continue for two weeks because of the just loss of life and just the fact that this is just, I don't know, man, it's it's forboating frightening. But in terms of to see how the Trump administration, you know, and all his kind of lackeys, how they sort of backtrack or twist themselves into a position, I wonder what that position is going to be that because they're not going to admit that this was preempt. was premature and that this was not well thought out at all. But I wonder if it's going to be that, I don't know, I don't know, what will the excuse be or will there being an excuse, you know? That's what I'm just curious about.

Because I mean, within a week, we've seen them back almost make a 180, you know? Yeah. What I'm curious to say is Trump's got a visit scheduled to China here in a couple of days. Like, is he going to be doing that in the midst of all this? Like, you know, hell, he sent Melania to, like, sit in at the U.N. the other day. or whatever, you know? Like, was this before or after we saw that photo of that, like, I don't even know that zombie bite that was creeping up his neck?

Oh, I think it was after, maybe, but like around the same time. But I'm curious what that would look like and what, like, Beijing has to say about this to his face, you know? Tom, you had used that photo of him for the Patreon episode, like, for the cover on the Patreon. And I stared at it for like five minutes, like, and then I was like, wait, that's not Biden? I was like, that's Trump. It looks like Biden, like from the side profile.

Like, they look identical at this point. If you just take away the hair, you know what I mean? But it's like from the forehead. They just are warfing it to each other. Yeah. But as you said, Aaron, like, this is not something they're going to be able to keep under wraps. Like, they're never going to publicly admit that they were, like, basically dragged into it by Israel. We've known for years that this would eventually happen.

Like we've talked about it countless times on the show that, like, Israel would stop at nothing to get the United States to fight a war with Iran. But, like, I guess what's kind of so astonishing to me about it is how ad hoc and incoherent it is. Politico had this story about the – I just keep coming back to this. The State Department personnel and bureaucrats and whatnot, they were just stranded. They were chartering – they were chartering – they were chartering – flights for like TikTok influencers out of Dubai quicker than they, Maga TikTok influencers out of Dubai quicker than they were like state department personnel and bureaucrat.

There was like generals that were just like waiting to be like air lifted out of Bahrain. Like I said, yo, they should have at least given them a danger close warning. Like you know, when you're enemy, not enemy, but I guess your troops are possibly going to get their asses blown up. Should have been like, yo, we bought the bomb. They would take shelter. One of the funniest things I said one of those Iran. The Iranian accounts post was they painted helicopters on like concrete and the U.S. is just dropping, you know, $5 million missiles and shit on like falling for some like wily coyote bullshit, you know.

Well, I, it is kind of become a, there was something you sent me, Tom, yesterday about like the Tomahawk interceptors compared with the Iranian missiles. like how Israel has burned through like five years worth of Tomahawk missile interceptors in like a week or we have I guess and like and this has drained a lot of capacity from Ukraine like Ukraine like Ukraine has not been able to shoot down like a fighter jet in days because it's all been relocated. You can't enter a war. I mean just like the fact they were entering this war and we don't even have like I mean I guess we do but we didn't have like just a weaponry for it to be prepared like how long did

they think this was going to last, like 48 hours? Dude, now they're saying. I think that's this policy of decapitation because they know that like these Forever Wars are very unpopular in the U.S. and stuff. So what they try to do is just strike quick, knock the head out, and then just figure it out there. But that's, that's, they pick the exact wrong target

for something like that. It's complete here. It's, uh, U.S. Central Command is now saying internally that this war against Iran is likely to last through September per Politico. September. On the eve of the fucking midterms. That's true.

I just can't fucking... 28 weeks, but it's weeks. 28 weeks later. What did you? That's why, genuinely, that's why I'm like... Kind of concerned... I'm sorry. That's a whole new season, bro.

That's three to two seasons. Two seasons. There you're going to get Stranger Things six and seven in that time frame. They're in them talking about ground troop. You couldn't get your personnel out of the embassies of at least five or six countries. But you're going to do boots on the ground, but you can't airlift a general out of the fucking Hotel Bahrain or whatever. And they've just left Ukraine. It's just like, it's like that.

meme where the dude turns his head right up. You're like, bye, see you. Y'all got it from here. You know, we're in door dashing wars, bro. There is. It's the Uberization of war, bro. The Uberization of war. And what else would you expect from a country that's just

like everything qualitatively has just dramatically gotten worse over time? Like, our metaphysical, not just our material but our metaphysical worship of money. You got Kenneth Copeland cutting his hand open and drinking his own blood on TV. Our metaphysical

worship of money. Yeah, you didn't see that clip? Well, yeah, you're not going to send that to me. Kenneth Copeland cutting his hand open and drinking his blood on television, our metaphysical worship of money has caused us to go haywire day. Just drained every last vestige of honor or even rationale. The Bible says the love of money is the root of all evil. And by God, I'm a believer now.

Oh, my God. We're a sick society, dude. I got to go find that immediately. We got to get off here right now. I got to go find that immediate. For future reference, if anything like that happens, bring it to my attention of the second you see it. I just figured surely you've already seen it.

I mean, I just know. Oh, my God, dude. Oh, man. I don't know. I'm sure there's much more to say. There's much more to talk about. fucking Tony Ducapil interviewing the IDF guy on CBS. It's just Brian Mast coming out there saying like we're fighting, you know,

the guy that wears IDF uniform in Congress. It's just like I can see how rubs and soods and, you know, they call anti-Semitism like the socialism of fools or whatever. And like I can see how like people who are, don't have a material analysis would look at this and be like, yes, Zog. or whatever, but it is like materially, it's just there is, when you don't know who you are, both as a person and as a country, that means anybody can basically step in and say like, no, this is what

we're doing. This is what we're having. It's just, that's a... It just happened to follow along these lines, you know? It's not that there's anything inherent in Jews or Christians or anybody else to behave this way. Well, I mean, it just makes sense in a country where industry, you know, everything from

you know, the plane companies to the car manufacturer, you know, to, you know, the, you know, military industrial complex, when they've just captured government like this, you know, it just makes sense that, yeah, the next biggest thing that we could do to line the pockets of all of these weapons manufacturers and to provide whatever ideological cover for Israel, yeah, Israel's going to be the one that captures us, you know. The thing is, is that Empire also has to have a political reproduction, an ideological reproduction process.

This isn't just true for domestic politics. Imperial politics must also follow coherent ideological reproduction. And it seems like the Iraq war was when we just completely, when that failed, that was the last thing we had in the tank, right? Like for the longest time it operated on the ideological imperative of anti-communism. But then, like, so what did that mean? That created its inverse.

Dialectically, you get the Iraq war, which is, is, like I said, this high idealistic nation-building thing, pro-democracy, all this. And when that failed, that means that meant that there was no imperial ideology left in the tank. And so it just makes sense

like what's available, just kind of putting together the scraps of what's left, that leaves Zionism. Nihilistic Zionism. Nihilistic Zionism. Yeah, 100% man. I do you want to say Alexander Dugan had a statement I finally agreed with

he's one of Russia's all-time greatest morons genuinely but I will say he finally had he finally snapped with the take that I agreed with the act of killing Kaminase seals the destiny of Israel Iranians were imperial guards for the Jews Cyrus was called Messiah by Isaiah to attack the head of Persia is the metaphysical crime

It is true It's the metaphysical crime It is true We can be metaphysical crimes bro. It's true. They freed them from Babylon. Man. It's an attitude, Brutane. Oh, my God, man.

I don't know. Man. How long has it been since we, has it been a week yet? It hasn't been a week yet, right? Since we struck around? It is, it was Friday night. Actually, early Saturday morning, like three in the morning. They did it at three in the morning. So it's about to be a week.

Jesus, man. Yeah. It's just incoherent. It's completely incoherent. CBS News Town Hall with J.D. Vance, which was slated to air on March 14th, has been postponed indefinitely. They're panicking.

He's in the timeout quarter? Probably not. He's cooked. I think they kind of all are. But I also think this is true for Democrats. But, yeah, it's true. Everybody's cooked. And it's like, if we have,

had, yeah, at least we've reached the portion of the program and we just rambling coherently of our random

thoughts, but tune in next week to find out if Batman gets out of it. I'm just still shocked at the September thing,

man, that shit, that shit got me good. But there's no, it would be the perfect political environment for an

alternative political movement, but there is none. If one, but articulate such a thing. Yes. If only.

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