Trillbilly Worker's Party - Episode 436: The Fascism of Fools

Episode Date: March 20, 2026

We revisit the Tablet article "Zionism for Everybody" with more insights, the latest developments re: the offensive of Iran and the resulting global financial turmoil, and how one day you're a STEM major at Cal Tech and the next you have to sleep with one eye open.

Have you guys been keeping up or have heard of this story about this former WMD agency director who went missing? I think he's a former commander of the Air Force Research Laboratory. He went missing outside his home in Albuquerque. He oversaw $4.4 billion in classified aerospace R&D. he ran the lab at Wright Patterson. He served as the executive secretary of the special access program oversight committee. His name appears in WikiLeaks emails

coordinating with a UAP disclosure meeting with the Clinton campaign. Have you heard about this guy? No, but you just got me hooked in. This exactly sounds like at the beginning of an X-Files episode where Mulder is explaining the details of the case. I was wondering why you were doing the first man hand rub

as he was reading the details of that. I was like, this is definitely my shit. So what? Did he get abducted by aliens or the Chinese? There's a lot of speculate. He had a health condition, but it was one of those things where he left his cell phone at home, left his wallet and his keys at home, like took nothing with him, and just vanished off the face of the earth.

Now this comes, this is courtesy of a website I know nothing about, so take that with a grain of salt, just appeared out of nowhere. It itself is probably some blue book. sci-op thing. It's called the Sentinel Briefings. Sounds sinister as hell. It sounds like the lone gunman again in next fall's reference. This comes nine months, give or take, after the disappearance of a woman named Monica Jacinto Reza. In June 2025, she was hiking in Southern California and just disappeared off the trail.

Like her hiking partner was 30 feet. Well, he changed his stories, I think twice. First he said he was 30 yards and then 30 feet. But she's like, he's like, I was 30 feet away from her. I mean, I was an Albuquerque. So wait. So what do you be completely disappeared? Because you would like, you know, again, my mind, my imagination is running wild where I'm thinking like her footprints of her hiking boots just suddenly stopped.

You know, as if she was just swept up into the air. Not far off. She was raptured. Yeah. Not far off. He said he was ahead of her on the trail and told her to turn in a northerly direction, yelled back at her, and she waved in confirmation. And then when he turned back around, like a few minutes later, she was completely gone. They found her beanie, but it, like, the trail dogs or the scent dogs or whatever, like, track the trail to her beanie, and from there they lost the trail completely.

So like, who knows? She got caught by the alien tractor beam so hard that her, like, her shoes and beating flew off. They're stealthy with it these days. They really are, man. Just in and out, boom. So what are investigators saying about this? Are there any leads? Yeah, did they call it Fox and Bull?

They're Scully, you know? No, a website appeared three days later on, like, findagrave.com, pronouncing her dead. which like she's not officially dead yet like she's just been missing so you just threw me for a loop with findagrave.com first of all also if they're going to make a whole non-profit

out of that palmea stuff you can't just give up on somebody just after a short period time they give up on guys from the 60s yeah exactly well okay the weird thing is is that this woman

worked for the lab that this guy McClaskin or whatever, or McCaskin, William Neil McCaslin, the guy in Albuquerque, they both worked together. The weird thing is, is according to this website, three people worked on the same project

for the Air Force Propulsion Lab. It had to do with like a metal alloy that they included in rockets that would allow them to basically not burn up in the atmosphere. And the three people working on this. One died of cancer, stage four cancer a few years

ago, and the other two are this woman and this guy who just disappeared off the face of the year. Oh, no, man. We're working on the technology far beyond our means and intelligence, and the aliens have come and snatched them up. Okay, well, then it gets weirder.

As if two disappearances on the same project didn't get weirder. Well, did you all hear that story from a few months ago where that guy, Carl Grilmer, he spent 30 years at Caltech's Infrared Processing and Analysis Center, also worked for the Air Force Research Lab,

and he was killed on his front porch by a guy he lived out in the middle of the desert, in the middle of nowhere. He saw some guy sneaking around on his property, called the cops, the cops came, and the guy said he was just looking for the post office, which was in the opposite direction. And also, nothing else out there. Nothing else. Well, he studied, yeah, he studied like the stars. This isn't where I parked my car.

11 days later, the guy came back and then killed him on his front porch. Wow. And then, but that's also like six other people or five other people also associated with this lab have been either killed or died in the last nine months. So are we bringing back? Are we bringing back like Cold War-style espionage and assassinations? not that I know if any of these things actually happened. This just sounds like the plot of a James Bond film or something like that.

But like what are they working on? You know what I mean? I mean, and would it be, I mean, let's just, if we want to go conspiracy-minded here, what actor would benefit from- There's no such thing is that anymore? I don't know if you're watching the news or not. What act would benefit from killing targeting and killing these people? You know, I'm just curious.

Well, it could be. I mean, I don't know, man. Remember when Israel and the United States were, like, knocking off Iranian scientists? That's true. That is true. I forgot all about that. Was that during the, like, the, kind of the earlier rounds of the nuclear deal? That's been going on, really, for, like, the last 15 years.

I guess it's been going on for 40 years. I mean, it could be, I mean, this is pure speculation. I have zero evidence. It could be. I mean, it could be that or could be alien, you know. I don't think it's a, I mean, I don't think it's a, I mean, I. I think they're trying to, I think they're trying to ramp up the alien talk just to have like a, B, and C card if like targeted killings of Americans just doesn't go down smoothly.

You know what I mean? So we jest, but there are going to be people that are going to be talking about that lady that disappeared and her beanie left like she got abducted, you know. And I'm not saying that I'm not ruling that out, but in this case it's a little convenient. It's probably either Israel or the United States. They worked on some top secret alloy. They worked on some top secret, like, jet propulsion project, and now they have to, like, start tying up loose ends.

They knew too much, that type deal. Like, it's not aliens. It would be cool if it was Iranians. That would be tight. Like, the U.S. would never admit to it because it would make us look weak. But when did just doing science become, like, becoming a, you know, a heavy-duty trafficker type? Like in terms of like lifestyle, how do we say?

Downsides. What do you mean? Like, you know, a motherfucker just goes and gets like a physics degree or a chemistry degree or something. Next thing you know he's got to look over his goddamn shoulder off the time. Oh, man. I guess I guess Walter White married those two ideas. Well, I mean, I guess if you're up against enemies of progress or you're dealing in some kind of technology that. like profitable, you know what I mean?

So I don't know. Yeah. I do want to posit to you, though. I mean, it could be, you know, Israel. You know, it could be the United States. It could be Iran, you know. It could be, I mean, it could be any one of these actors here. It could be a shady, nebulous, non-governmental agency, you know.

I'm just saying, one day you're at Caltech scaring the hose, getting no pussy. In the next minute, you got to worry about the Mossad coming and fucking pecking you off. The next minute year after you finally found a will and participant, your loving wife of many years. I wanted to start this episode

with like this creepy like, you know, serious, because like all these episodes, all these like podcasts managed to like strike this like unsettling, like unnerving tone when they talk about conspiracies. And like I wanted to hint

that there was some like shadowy figure behind the scene. Like some kind of crazy creepy shit going on. Some invisible hand. And then Tom's just like, imagine you're at Caliariariari. tech slaying pussy. No, get no pussy. Spending all your waking hours in the lab,

dreaming of a life in, like, probably in academia one day. Next thing you know you're fucking living like a goddamn cartel guy. I mean, what if that attracts more people into STEM, you know? That is true. It's like, listen, tired of getting no pussy?

Become a man in STEM. Come be a casualty of modern spy craft. Tired of being alienated and unseen by appears. What about having a target on your back? I was thinking

about this the other day I was at the co-op and a thought came in my head and it was what is the state of Spicraft and like

do we like owe an asswoping to Ian Fleming and fucking John LaCare you know? Why? You gotta think like the rise of

James Bond got right? Yeah but here's my thing two very different writers though I have to totally totally I wasn't trying to

disperch one of the other Care, I think, was critiquing it. I wouldn't say Ian Fleming. He was romantic. I think Ian Fleming was in my six. Well, they both were. Oh, were they both? Yeah, they both were.

So John LeCare was himself a spy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was the John Curricoo of his day. Kind of. It kind of was, but without all the whimsy. So my thing is this, right? Like something Terrence said on the show that's like loomed large in my head is the idea that the archetype of the American cowboy like sort of looms large in our imagination,

proportional to like its real heyday in America, which was about seven years to hear Larry McMurtry and some others, you know, comment on it. What about two other archetypes there, whose long shadows are really fucking us up and I want to get to the bottom of it is the warrior and the spy. Uh-huh.

So the Western man can only go three paths. He can be like a Strip Mall warrior, okay? he can be like you know like take optimization classes from former CIA influencers and learn how to like you know project quiet confidence for the low low price of $199 and then the other thing you can do is just get

really into Yellowstone and get lost in the you know in the cowboy thing those are the archetypes presented to the American man unless you can just be normal it's unfortunate it's unfortunate that we haven't introduced pirate to those three archetypes, that'd be interesting. Well, we're not a maritime culture.

Yeah, we're not a maritime culture. We should bring it back. We have too much mainland. Even if you live in a maritime place, you've kind of forsaken the ocean. Yeah. Maybe as climate change, you know, induces rising sea levels, maybe we'll go back to our pirate heyday.

Yeah, we just like, we're Americans are land people. Like, even if they live on the coast, even if they live on the coast, they're landlubbers. They like their corn. They like their oil in the ground. We're not amphibious at all. You're right.

We're not amphibious creatures at all. That's true. When I heard Trump was deploying 4,500 Marines to Iran or to do that cargo island thing, which the whole trajectory of this thing has just gotten way out ahead of us. Wait, is he listening to that journalist that, I forgot that article that we had covered where he suggested that? Who did, who? Brett. About Brett.

Yeah. Yeah, he suggested. Well, Mark 11. Was the amphibious Marine Surge Brett's brain genius? The Carg Island thing Carg Island thing has been It's like Brett Stevens Mark Levin all those guys have been obsessed

Hannity they're obsessed with Carg Island Okay murder resolve psychopaths Which if you look at a map Garg Island is really far north up If it's a if it's a colon Let's look at the Persian The Gulf. Yeah if it's the Persian Gulf is a colon Like it's all the way up

But Terrance you don't have to worry about these things when you're imagining, when you're just writing about it, you know what I'm saying? That's true. Imagining war is just playing with toy pieces. A motherfucker that went to stake and hurl a football from his Dubai high rise and hit Carg Island if he really tried. That's what we're talking about. Like up in the thing, you know.

Up in there. Up in the thing. In any case, yeah, we're not an amphibious people, which makes an amphibious surge seem like kind of a not a great tactic. especially against somebody like Iran ready to rock and roll even people on the coast are not

amphibious people like being a New Yorker being on the coastman being right by the sea how many times did I go to the beach? Never seems like there was a maritime culture in Long Island and everybody just became a cop that wasn't rich It's ironic that we wrote the

like the novel form and its current form was birthed by a novel about American's relationship to the ocean. I'm referring, of course, to Moby Dick. I'm referring, of course, to Nathaniel Hawthorne's The Scarlet Letter. Scarletler.

They were homies. They were homies, Nathaniel Hawthorne, in Melville. No shit. They were, yeah. I heard that Moby, the annoying techno artist, was a cousin of Herman Melville, and that's how he got his nomad gay. Fuck off.

He also claimed he used to fuck Natalie Portman too, and I think that's been debunked. Wait, didn't also the Jonathan Saffron for a guy also? Have we had this conversation before? Okay, we've had this conversation. Let's move on. I think he thought he had a chance. That was his thing. He preemptively blew up his life for the chance in Natalie Portman was the story.

And one of the wildest moves anybody's ever made. Oh, my God. Okay, well, okay, we got to be one. We have a lot to cover today. We have a lot to move on. To talk about just to move on, though, just to close the tab. I don't know why scientists are being killed. According to this website, the New Mexico vertex of this triangle of entry, conspiracy, and murder is much heavier because apparently a lot of these people also worked at Los Alamos.

anyways a muamua when they saw muamoo over the National Observatory over there There's been a lot of funny Happenings in New Mexico Including back in 1987 September of 87

That's right That is right Anyways we can close the tab But before we do anything Any any speculation I just think we need Mulder and Scully on the case man

Maybe we should open up A real X-Files Department. Would be pretty tight, dude. Today is March 19. And I have to say, and I made this remark to Tom yesterday, it feels like March 18th, the week of March 16th maybe, will probably go down as the week that any last,

like any last doubts you may have had, any lingering doubts, you may have had that we are not actually in World War III, and that, like, the final crunch is here, I think can safely be dispelled. Honestly, what it made me think of, have you ever seen that movie Cold Mountain? Oh, yeah, yeah, Charles. Charles Frazier.

Frazier, yeah. I got to interview him one time, a really nice guy. Really? Why was that? Like 10 years ago. I knew that, but, like, it was like a vague memory. Yeah, he's a nice dude, but I like the most. movie a lot too with Jude Law and Nicole Kidman or I haven't watched it in a while so I don't know

maybe it doesn't hold up. Did you tell him that be like man the book was cool but the movie was better oh yeah you get to see there's a lot of nudity and ass in the movie so okay but there's a scene in that movie where it takes place like in North Carolina and you know in the south and there's a scene in that movie where the shots on, was it Fort Sumter? Is that what started the Civil War? You know, South Carolina secedes, North Carolina follows, and then there's a scene in the movie where like news gets back to the village that the Civil War has started. And all these like Confederates and Southerners, rebels are like, we got our war. Like they just, they're in church and news comes and they're like, we got.

got our war. They're like jumping up and down. They're ecstatic. They're happy. And that's all I could think of, like live look at Tel Aviv. Like we got our war. You know what I mean? Like we got the war we wanted. It's finally, it's finally come. But this time they had to go

to a bunker. And my question to those in Tel Aviv is, was it worth it? You have to have become mole people. No more gay paradise in the Middle East. Where are the fuck y'all say about that place. But the reason I say that is because this week,

I genuinely think in the history books this week will go down as the week where it became impossible for the U.S. to extricate itself from this thing. The Israelis did basically everything they could. And I'll go down the list here. They assassinated Ali Larajani, who was ostensibly like their sort of like, defense, their head of, like, security forces. Like, he was basically their de facto leader of the state.

Um, they assassinated several, uh, intelligence leaders, like Esmail Katib. They, they shot, they, they've killed multiple, you know, they've been doing these decapitation strikes, right? Um, but like, you know, Lara Johnny was like, widely considered to be a pragmatist. Like, if there was any diplomatic off ramp to this thing, it was going to go through him. him. And by killing him, they essentially all but guaranteed, like, there is, you know, no hopes of that ever happening now.

I saw there was one of the Omani guys had, like, brokered a sit down basically through diplomatic, through semi-diplomatic channels as much as the U.S. and Iran can have between him and Trump and Washington, and then, like, they assassinated the guy the next day. I have to wonder how much of it is like, I mean, I know it's intentional, but intentional in the terms to just continue to exacerbate and inflame Iran's response to perpetuate this war or how much of it is just like, just not, I mean, just complete barbarism, you know, without even thinking. I mean, it could be both, right? But I'm just wondering, you know, like, are you, are you realize what you're doing that this is not conducive to your goal? I mean, if their goal is total war, then it is, I guess. I think that the Israelis want to engineer a situation where the United States has no way out. Right. And I think that that would explain why they keep escalating. Like at every step of the way, they have escalated a situation that would basically make it impossible for the United States to back out with any, you know, reasonable

credibility left intact or anything like that. Time for that was about 10 days ago. Yeah. I think that like at this point though, and the assassin, you know, by the way, like these decapitation strikes that they keep doing, it is really insane to me that we like now live in a, like, that's pretty new. Like it's pretty insane to me that we now live in a world where the main message. You just assassinate heads of state leadership.

and stuff and then like it's out of the news in two days right right like i don't know like that to me is a really wild concept that like the mainstays of like an ideological movement and political movement would be like over the last 30 or 40 years would just be like gone in an instant and so then you've got like a turnover of people uh ostensibly who had rise to take their place but um it's just basically though ensures that there will be no diplomatic offer ramp, right? Like, I mean, but maybe not. I don't know.

Maybe the new crop that comes up is more amenable to that. But I think, though, I guess, go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. Well, all I was going to say was that, like, by the way, just like on that note, there was a headline in the New York Times that was like, Israel keeps assassinating Iran's leaders. Will it work?

It's like just no, no recognition or acknowledgement of the fact that it's like a war crime. That is like illegal by like various like international. They view it as like a legitimate like military strategy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just in no mention of them carpet bombing cities. Like anything that would be, you know, uh, direct violation of Geneva committee or any sort of like, you know, agreed upon, you know, global order.

If you keep a sat if you keep just assassinating leaders or anyone who's like, I guess, like moderate enough, you know, to initiate diplomatic talks. Like, why would you think that anyone else would, you know, hold you at your word, right? Or believe what you have to say and not just think that you would kill them too. Yeah. Once the talk start. I don't do. We're in such a bad shape as far as that goes, too, because our word is good for fuck off. Exactly.

Right. Exactly. I mean, nothing. Dude, when we had the Gulf State shook that, like, we just kind of abandoned them on that first offensive, which I think Iran, that was like a gamble on their part. They were like, let's see how. I mean, it serves a couple of. functions obviously but like it's like let's see how like let's let's test the fidelity of America to these places you know and then they proved that their first loyalty was not even to the mainland

US but to Israel right exactly well and also I think it tested the global economic order I mean I think that like Iran's response has been puzzling to I mean I remember when John Stewart was like oh they hit Iran and Iran lashed out out at everybody. Like, Iran's response is actually very calculated and makes a lot of sense. Basically, it's like asserting that Iran still plays a very strategic and important role, both in the region and in the globe, but also that if it so chooses, Iran can shut down global commerce.

And therefore, you have to welcome it into some sort of, like, global order. You can't just box it out and sanction it for decades and just pretend that, like, you can just bleed it to death slowly. Like, what Iran wants is to make sure that this will never happen again. And the only way it knows how to do that is to make it as painful as possible for everyone involved. Yeah. Yeah. Everyone who's also been, I guess, in partnership with the United States.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And probably the only reason they haven't hit the mainland is they know that our leaders don't give a flying fuck about, you know, Lexington, Kentucky, or, you know, Knoxville, Tennessee. They're like, no, we want to hit them where it hurts. we've got to hit them in Israel and their golf and their little golf client stance. Well, as I mentioned before in the episode that we talked about that John Stewart clip,

it's like what you're asking for in the absence of Iran strategically, you know, going after U.S. Israeli bases in the region is carpet bombing New York City. That's true. That's true. Tel Aviv, you know what would be the alternative?

But I mean, I think that's the only way. I think that in terms, maybe this is something that like going off a tip that you had mentioned, maybe. But it's kind of, that's the only way that Americans can think of war. You know what I mean? And especially like the American military class and political leaders and journalists too. But the only way they could think of it is like this all out total assault, right? That is often framed in strategic strikes. But really, though, you're just killing civilians. You know what I'm saying?

That's all that you're doing. But the way the news reports it. Do you know what I mean? Like in the 60s, if you carpet bombed a place, like, you know, like in Vietnam or something. you know Cambodia like that was like horrific and now we just consider the theater of war like it's it's kind of part and parcel of everything just sort of become an entertainment product even like batting on global affairs like the same fucked up mechanism that gives us Kalshi and Polly market also like makes us well adjusted to atrocity and it's like we're the Israelis and the Americans have really created a world at least in the West where nothing matters like there's

such an apathy and there's such a pacification with our relative creature conference to where like like stuff doesn't even jar us that much anymore the epstein files came close but like that's kind of like you know uh so last month now you know like that it's like they've engineered this news cycle to go so quickly and turn so quickly so that like we could just run right past really fucked up things that are damaging society and with like little pushback yeah dude on that note on the predict on the the polymarket, Kalshi stuff. There's a story in the Washington Post.

I don't know if you guys saw that. A work correspondent received death threats from online gamblers who wanted him to change his reporting on an Iranian missile strike so they could collect a payout. One better had $900,000 writing on the outcome. He told the journalist he knew where he lived and who his family members were.

Dude, that's just like when the gambling apps popped off. They were sending messages to college kids, 19-year-old kids. saying, you stupid motherfucker, how'd you hit that, miss that free throw last night or this or that and the third? And it's like, gamblers are the biggest fucking losers in the world. It just are. And I mean, I say that having, you know, an extensive past.

But Jesus. I mean, we're sitting here. I'm sitting here and talking about, like, you know, political, economic world leaders, basically, you know, manipulating events so that people can get a payout. and there's just some guy who's going to threaten to send, you know, some dude with a bat, you know, to your apartment to break your legs. Yeah. Well, this is the world they've created.

And then didn't we find out this week that the Israelis are behind Polly Market? Well, I think that they took off all the punts regarding Netanyahu's death and refused to honor them. Well, yeah, you can't bet on Netanyahu's death. Who knows what that means? I mean, you don't need, at this point. I guarantee you we could be. bad on Aaron Thorpe's death or Tom Sexton.

Exactly. Damn, this is the second week in a row you've used one of our deaths as a potential. What are you getting at, brother? Hey, can I say what apps you've got pulled up that? But, you know,

that doesn't mean that Israelis own it. It could be anything. Like, the West is fully prepared to, you know, do whatever it takes. Western leaders and institutions are fully prepared to do whatever it takes to make sure that Israel's not, like, that they're protected at all times and they're shooting, and they're safe and warm. You know. Yeah, they're free to suck and fuck, and they're bonkers.

Yeah. But, like, I don't know, man. Just, perhaps I haven't done, like, a good enough job of really, in the first half. half hour of this episode of relating like how unpressible. No, things are dire, Terrence. We're using humor to deflect from the overwhelming feeling of hopelessness.

You see, it's a time-honored tactic. It is genuinely words like unprecedented don't quite do it justice. The oil shock resulting from this will be when all is said

and done of magnitudes greater than anything experience. by people in the 70s. Where did it go in the 70s? What was the highest per... In 1970s money. Wow, man. That's a great question. Ask Claude.

I'd rather not. At war criminal. I think, though, that, like, the... Basically, like, what had happened this week was Israel hit the South Pars gas field, which is, like, jointly operated by Iran and

Cotter. And then in response, Iran hits a gas field in what is it? Cotter, the Roslofen complex? Listen to this. In normal times, a fifth

of the world's supply of liquefied natural gas, LNG, flows from Rostlafon, a vast industrial site almost three times the size of Paris, built over three decades at a cost of hundreds of billions of dollars. Did it not occur to any of these golf motherfuckers?

That while they're sitting over here sucking off like America and like being really cozy with Israel and shit, that maybe I would try to broker some sort of diplomatic, at least channel between Iran, who I'm sharing gas fields with and the Americans or whatever, did that not occur to them while they were building all these gaudy-ass fucking high-rises and, you know, having wholesale sponsorships of like F-1 and shit? Like,

it seems like that day was coming. You know what I mean? Like, I think in their minds, they never thought the, like, gravy train would end. I think that they could just,

like, do this in perpetuity. And at this point, not only are you talking about, it changed, like, global energy, um,

you know, framework, paradigm, but like, all these places, like, Dubai, like,

done. These stupid motherfuckers. It's done. Like, Dude, dude, like Did you all not watch Gaddafi getting raped by a bayonet in the fucking desert? Like, these people are only your friends in so much as they fucking need you.

Like, I think that's what the, in the nine, in the madman Don Draper meme, that's what the money was for. Like, that's what 9-11 was for, you know? It was supposed to, like, shield the Gulf states from,

you know, from this type of stuff. It was simultaneously like a gun to the head, and also like, you know, go after the Taliban. Go chase people in Iraq. Like, you know, leave us alone. Go do something else. Go do something else.

Yeah, yeah. But I don't know. I don't know, Tom. Like, I know that they've, like, tried, you know, they've had, like, very meager diplomatic relationships or very, you know, yeah, meek diplomatic relationships like Iran. but like yeah they seem to have not planned

well and I think though their thing here and the reason why they're so pissed is that the United States did not give them a heads up whatsoever that like they would be striking Iran I mean if the United States

didn't give diplomats and Americans any warning inside of Iran why the hell would they give their our partners any warning you know they're never going to do that shit I saw this thing the other day Like this tweet, I don't have it now, I can't find it, but it was like, like the whiningness was like, you know, UAE purchased like $500 billion worth of crypto and this is how they're repaid.

You know what I mean? Like by the United States not telling them that the strike was coming? It's like, yeah, man. Brother, I'm going to tell you something. Any man that buys $500 billion worth of crypto deserves what's coming to them. I'm sorry. Nobody told you to buy it, spend your fortune and fucking bored apes.

Fucking idiot. But yeah, I mean, like, you know, okay, so Israel hitting this gas field, the South Party's gas field, very, very escalatory. Essentially, once again, all but in shorts, there will only be higher chains of escalation, right? But, like, you know,

And something that's like, you know, I'm not quite, like, rested enough, don't have quite enough sleep to, like, fully thread the needle here. But, like, this war is just as much a game of, like, oil futures and, like, oil capacity, resource extraction capacity and logistics as it is, like, a numbers game of, like, decapitation strikes and stuff, right? Like, this has kind of become the mechanism by which this entire thing is, um, is escalating. It's like the price of oil and like accessibility to oil and who is going to be able to have it in the future. And like we're kind of looking at a situation where we could be like a $200 a barrel, uh, by the end of the year, which would mean. You're talking like $8 a gallon gas. Dude, dog, basically we would essentially, but. In Kentucky. In California like, same.

At that point, we would basically have to return to COVID lockdown conditions because that means we would have to ration gas severely. It would mean a lot of people would have to go back to working from home. Dude, I don't think if we could handle another situation like that. If you're talking about rationing energy, we might go straight to cannibal times, brother. We might go fair. It's not even energy because, like, think of this. gas also affects food prices fertilizer also affects food prices

both of those are going to be in short supply we will be rationing more than just gas well dude and then the also too like I heard like Brazil's fertilizer supplies like shot and stuff like this like you're talking about these developing economies that we do have diplomatic relationships with to you know to some degree or another

and it's like you don't even think about those little things that like Like everybody in America, it's just like the thing you were saying to Terrence about like, everybody in America just expects nothing bad. They think there's like a fucking food ferry and there's like a gas ferry. Yeah. And there's like a like a ferry for everything because they've just never had to experience a reality where like those things are precarious. Like we don't really even think about like commodity priced things here unless it's milk or gas.

You know what I mean? But we've not really thought about like our food and all this kind of stuff like, you know. Probably mostly because we subsist off red 40 and fucking, you know, Carnuba wax, but whatever. Well, I mean, similar to your question, Tom, about whether these Gulf states had really considered their relationship with the United States and Israel prior to this attack on Iran, the swore with Iran.

But, like, those people who started this war also were not thinking of those same exact things that you mentioned, you know. They weren't thinking about energy prices. They weren't thinking about the food supply. I mean, if you were, and if it was, that's what I'm kind of wondering, like, was this a strategic effort, you know, to, like, sort of consolidate any resource extraction? Like, was because if it was, it seemed like it would be more thought out and more surgical in its execution, you know what I mean?

Instead of just bombing oil fields, you know? I don't know, man. I don't know. It's a good question, Aaron. Like, I, because, I mean, obviously, like, we're once again in round 7,000 of, like, trying to discern who started this war and why, like who has more agency here, Israel, the United States. It would appear that, like, Israel has more of a coherent vision for what it would like to see from this than the United States. And, you know, I've not even, like, mentioned another crazy thing that happened this week, which is the resignation of that guy was his name, like, Joe Kent.

He was, like, Gabby Tulsa, Tulsa, Tulsard's. Tulsi Gabbard I like that I was like it sounds right moving up yeah it kind of rolls off the tongue yeah it kind of rolls off the tongue I was not about to correct you

because I was like wait what's her name sorry everybody I'm not doing so hot today but Tulsi Gabbard her like deputy of national intelligence or whatever counter I think it was like a counterterrorism yeah czar or whatever like the head of counterterrorism yeah

and he resigned this week over like his stated reason was because Iran posed no imminent threat to the United States, therefore there was no reason to strike it. But

then he like went on Tucker Carlson this week and said that like he did like the Zach de la Roca he was like networks keeping everybody calm you know they took out Kirk when he spoke out on Tehran spoke out on Tehran

I mean, like, that, that to me, that proves my thesis that, like, we live in an inverted 1960s. We're like, Charlie Kirk really is, like, the inverse of Martin Luther King. Like, they killed, they killed them for speaking out on the imperial agenda. And, like, dime square. Agenda. Yeah, dime square, red scare, all the, like, right-wing influencer stuff. It's, like, literally, like, an inversion of the 60s counterculture. It's like, brother, it's like

It's Star Trek where they go to the mirror universe And the Federation Instead of being this peacekeeping utopian Forest, they're like this dystopian Like they have an effort and shit like that Like Spock has a mustache Look, I love Martin King But he might have missed one on the

Ark of the Moral universe Ben's toward justice That might be he might have been a little too optimistic That is true Aaron we live in the Spock with a mustache universe. The W. The W. Spock. Instead of live long and prosper.

It's like, live fast and die young. Live fast and die young. Live short and suffer. Yeah, he's the one that life is short, nasty, and brutish, inverted Spock. he's got like the Sam Elliott mustache oh man oh man but genuinely like I mean

this has kicked off a whole discourse among people about like one of the funniest things I saw was like in the New York Times Michelle Goldberg was like Joe Kent is half right but he's also half wrong it's like they can't

They can't count. It's the idea that Israel would have any kind of, like, as she writes here, none of it is likely to stop Kent's resignation from cementing the emerging narrative on both the right and the left that Israel has dragged America into this deeply unpopular war. It's a powerful story because it's partly rooted in truth, even if it taps into old Semitic troops, anti-Semitic troops, an occult Jewish control. Don't care. I love, I love how there's, like, at least in this one, they're starting to kind of shrews, shorn off. The immediate, like,

the immediate, like, reflexes antisemtis, but they still have to get the last word in about it. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. It's like, you all realize nobody cares about that anymore.

Nobody believes you anymore. What's funny? She writes... That's on you all. What's funny is she goes, the more it drags on, the more I worry about a full-blown American

d'ostoblengenda. Who the fuck knows? Some German word. A modern version of the stab in the back myth that German nationalists used to blame Jews for the humiliation in World War I. I mean, Judaism does not have a role in a modern American life, like equivalent to what it did in German life in interwar Germany. Like, there can be no stab in the back myth.

Like, I mean, I guess there could be isolated incidences of anti-Semitism, and that's very serious, and we should take that very seriously. but like there can be no like there there couldn't be anything like that let us be clear what she's what she's really talking about is that she's and what the the the faking what is it the uh the adel is talking about when they're talking about these 200 percent rises anti-semitism is criticism about Israel that's 100% that's all it is I'm sorry if you hear a defense of Israel and the anti-semitism applied to it you can just instantly throw it in the trash bin

It's guard What's funny though Aaron that's a good point though What's funny is that like you do see them Kind of like trying to lurch Toward this thing Her saying It's a powerful story

Because it's partly rooted in truth Even if it taps into old anti-Semitic troops It's like what do you even believe in this one? Because she's just like But I'm not an anti-subite You know what I mean? I'm not an anti-Sympi Yeah she was like look

The protocols were about 20% right Okay But But But But But

It doesn't even make any sense from a Zionist perspective. But you, dude, you are seeing some cracks. I saw, I think, something this week, like Germany refuses now to sit, like, on the, man, I'm going to get this entirely wrong. But, like, there's some sort of, like, international, symbolic tribunal. They do these fucking symbolic things that, like, have no actual teeth and don't result in any actual accountability. but like I guess the UN or EU or someone has been doing these like symbolic tribunals of some kind to investigate what happened in Gaza and to basically kind of like head off at the pass a case in front of the ICC or international criminal court and like Germany I think this week announced they were no longer going to defend Israel at that which is a that is a very interesting development oh 100% if that'll last or what, but it does seem that

like a lot of European leaders are kind of starting to, they're being forced into the situation. They're essentially being forced into the position that like, okay, maybe Israel is completely out of their fucking minds, trying to implement greater Israel plan.

Like, dog, they're, as we're talking. You can't deny it anymore, don't. Yeah. They were just, I just saw a video of them trying to blow up a journalist in Lebanon. He had like literally, jump out of the way to avoid getting like fucked up with shrapnel. Dude, them displacing, like, I think

thousands of people have been killed in Lebanon already. They're displacing like hundreds of thousands of people, bombing fucking apartment buildings in Beirut. Yeah, they kill like a thousand people. The same fucking playbook as Gaza. And you have to think about, to a consider,

that these European leaders aren't even, I don't even say turning against Israel. That's not even the case, but starting to, you starting to see these cracks and I have to believe that part of their calculus is that they don't want refugees from the Middle East flooding their borders.

That actually is true Aaron. It's not out of this goodwill or out of like oh my God, like this, they're committing war crimes. It's like literally we don't want Arabs in the woods. Europeans are absolutely crazy about that shit. I've talked to just like acquaintances I knew that are like from wherever,

France or wherever and they'll be like perfectly liberal, normal people until the topic of like right of like immigration comes up and then they'll use the most vile slurs that we've I didn't even know they had those. You really can't like get a sense of it here in America

but like once you talk to like a German or something like you realize that their phylo-Semitism is literally like a mental barricade it's like this mental load-bearing structure that allows them to be Islamic phobic and hate refugees and immigrants so much like I was genuinely shocked I think I've told this story on the show before, but like a few years ago, like, I met this German or Danish journalist who asked me to, like, basically be his stringer in Eastern Kentucky for, like a few stories he was working on.

And he showed up in some vaudeville makeup to the, with some claws with some shifts. That seems like some Danish. Or Dana, or was it Dutch? No, he was Danish or German? maybe both. Oh, okay, okay. But he, uh, well, we kind of kept in touch over the years and he like, he like was like a lefty and like criticized, you know, was like, um, critical of capitalism, uh, hated J.D. Vance, all this stuff, right? Like, said all this stuff.

Checked off the box. But then after October 7th and I was, like, posting more regularly about what was going on in, like, the West Bank and, like, Gaza and stuff, he, like, slid into my DMs and was like, I had no idea you'd become such a hateful person. I was like, what the fuck are you talking? about. Like what, like, you know what I mean? Like this motherfucker read the camp of the Saints overnight type of shit. It was like, no, we have to defeat the brown hoards, you know. Listen, I don't know if this is just an American thing, but it's like, you know, any person that's been travelled upon by the United States, I will wholeheartedly accept that criticism

and agree with you and fight for your right to cut the head off the Great Satan. and I am unequivocally with you on that. But I'll be God fucking damn for I let a Western European talk down to me about anything, anything. That's what, we gotta get back to these goddamn Germans. We've let these goddamn Germans tip-y-toe out of the room a lot. And they're like, we're on the hook a lot for what these motherfuckers did.

You know what I mean? 100%. Sick fucks? God damn. Every time you talk to a fucking German, it's like you're talking to like a sex criminal. or something. It's just like you have to take a shower

after you talk to a fucking German. I'm sorry, I'm not trying to bring back the German hatred of the 1800s America. That was a very real thing. I'm talking about the mainlander. Hoopleheads. Yeah. The hoopelheads. Dere sex crimes.

Yeah, dare sex crimes. Yeah, I will never, ever, ever, let a Germanic people moralize to me about any goddamn thing. That's the Tom Sexton guarantee. I'm right there with you, brother. So you should afford him to me, and I'd have told him the same thing, Tair.

I got on my high horse and then felt really stupid afterwards. It's just generally, like, when you try to, like, the thing is, is you cannot convince a Zionist of, I was talking to grace you about this other night. Like,

in the same way that you cannot convince a psychotic person in the midst of a psychotic episode that they're experiencing mass delusions. Like, can't. It doesn't, literally, like, it, A, would absolve nothing, but you would also go insane because it's literally impossible. You cannot

convince a Zionist that they are experiencing a mass delusion. It is mass delusion. It's completely fucking... Dude, that was laid bare for me when we read that article on Monday. And the rider, the rider was championing, championing

um, Jerusalem syndrome as like a badge of honor. This place is so great. people going to religious psychosis for it. The fuck is wrong with you. I want to do something on this show that we've not done. And I kind of want to read that article again. Not in its entirety, just like a few excerpts.

But like before I get to that in just a second, I just wanted to like just close this loop here and basically like point out because we'd be talking about like European leaders, right? And maybe Aaron, maybe they could also just be. doing the Biden playbook of being like, we're very mad at Netanyahu, because he's no longer alive and he's left the hold of the bag. He's a six feet in the ground, and we left his hold on the bag. I had a friend say something about, like, I guess Netanyahu was rumored to have prostate

cancer too or something like that, or they had heard this. And they said, I hope he never gets an erection again. And I was like, well, I don't think you have to worry about that. I think the Iranians made sure that. I do like the I said this on Twitter but I do like the it produces a very surreal strange sort of social

or reality disjuncture when like a man is constantly appearing in public and you don't know if he's really there or not and he's trying to assure you that he is actually alive because like at that point like by definition you are basically a ghost

like if you're trying to Apparish. Yeah, if you're trying to convince people you're alive, that kind of by definition, you're effectively a gun. I mean, in a time of AI, like,

who are we to know, you know? Also, even if he's alive and we're wrong and we're just experiencing our own psychosis, it's kind of fun just to give them, like, a little bit of their gas lighting back to him.

No, no, he's dead as fuck. But, but it's possible that these European leaders are doing the Biden playbook of appearing to be mad with his, but like going along I mean because genuinely look at everything Israel has done in the last

two and a half years three oh Jesus Christ like right like three it's three and a half years two and a half I guess yeah like two and a half years now right like look at everything they've done like you would have to be um like I just don't I don't I don't I know that like their entire ideological base is structured around, you know, Israel being, like, not only, like, pure and holy and good and nothing it can do, can ever be wrong, but, like, it is also just strategically important. But, like, I just don't understand how, like, you could see them now running the exact same playbook in Lebanon that they did in Gaza, or how they've escalated it every step of the way in Iran and not come to the logical conclusion that these people mean to wrap the full

fucking world in flames. Like that's all they weren't. If you weren't going to intervene before this, then I have to believe that one, you won't do anything about it now. And two, that you kind of wanted this to happen consciously or otherwise, you know?

Yeah. And you allowed it to happen actually, you facilitated it. But actually, like, we should read that truth social posts that Trump made last night. Thompson did to me about the Israeli attacks on Iranian gas field.

Genuinely, like, an amazing document. Well, you know what I mean? Like, an amazing text that will, like, be cited by many future. It would be at the Dotto J. Trump Presidential Library. Yes. Can you imagine what that will look like now if he's supposed to work with, like,

the fuck? I love the first line of this. I was chuckling about this all morning. Israel, out of anger for what is taking place in the Middle East, has violently lashed out at a major facility known as South Pars gas field in Iran. I love out of anger for what has taken place in the Middle East. Like if it was some unexplainable, unsolved mystery type of it.

It was just their, it was just their like, you know, somberness over like the ongoing fighting that I can't take it anymore. I got to bomb this strategic place. A relatively small thing. small section of the hole has been hit of the gas field. Of the whole, a relatively small section of the hole. Of the whole gas station,

a relatively small station. He's just trying to assure everybody. Everything's fine. Gas prices don't need to go up. There's only a little quarter. Only a little quarter. I mean, an added contextual element to all this is that,

um, you know, Jerome Powell came out yesterday. Like the Fed announced they weren't going to cut. interest rates, neither were they going to raise him. Which we are in such a qualitatively different scenario now than we were just like three to six months ago that now Trump and these people aren't really even talking about cutting interest rates anymore.

Trump wanted Powell's gone so bad so he could cut interest rates and now no one he's even talking about it. Now no one even gives a fuck. But like, you know, Powell comes out talking about like, you know, inflation will be be catastrophic. The American economy is too weak to handle anything higher than like oil at $150 a barrel,

$120 a barrel, which is already insanely fucking high. But like, you know, house prices are also spiraling upward. No one can sell a house. This is about as high as gas prices can go without like inciting like

bricks through windows and stuff. Yeah, I mean it is quite qualitatively uncharted territory. There's only a handful of things that can penetrate the pacification of the American

and it is, gas prices is one of them, milk prices is another. The things that we actually do measuring commodity pricing, those things people pay attention to. Yeah, did you see that interview with that woman at a gas pump?

Apparently I'm fucking stupid. I voted for him three times. See, those are the mega people that can be welcome back into the coalition if you publicly debase yourself as an idiot and a fraud, you can come back, but if you double down, it's stringing up

by your toes. No, they have no control on this situation. Trump and them, they have no fucking clue how bad they've stepped in it. We're fully through the

looking glass, like they are pot committed now. They don't even know how fuck they are. You know what I'm saying? Like, think he'd. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's a combination of being stupid and also being just cruel as fuck. Because they want people to suffer.

Well, you know, earlier when I was talking about everybody, every American thinks there's a, you know, a milk ferry and a gas ferry and all that kind of stuff. They, they, they, these guys think there's like a America fairy that just like, make sure that like the, everything's humming along fine.

Yeah, sometimes there's hiccups and all this kind of stuff but they've never like really there's Americans haven't had to deal with like an engineered collapse collapse and we've had like depressions and we've had recessions like 2008 great you know the great recession all that kind of stuff if something doesn't change and drastically quick and it might not even be there may be nothing you can do about

at this point it may just be no control it no 2008's gonna look like fucking Sunday morning service you know well now they that mortgage um the housing market has reached another kind of critical point. U.S. home sales collapsed by most in 13 years. I think I saw something that said like the search phrase on Google, help can't sell my home.

It was like the most searched for, I don't know, phrase in like the month of January or February, something like that. Jesus Christy. It's frozen. Everybody is locked out. Like everything is kind of just like, correct me if I'm wrong

but I don't know I for like 10 years at least since we started the show have been operating on the assumption that something sometime was going to happen like some big terminal crisis event was going to happen you know what I mean like that

whether it's a world war whether it's a complete economic collapse or a nuclear armageddon something was going to happen and now it's like we're fully through that like membrane we're fully through the event horizon? The thing about it is, think about the terms.

Like, Iran was willing to give up more than they even had a right or should have. Just to keep the peace. And they could have kept the money train burrow, and they could have even probably poached a third election. And people are that pacified. They would just be resigned to it. Okay. They could have done that and instead aggressed somebody that was getting.

Like, imagine you're at the negotiation. table and the person's like, you know, fuck it, to keep the peace, we're not even that pressed about it. Here's everything you want, whatever. We'll even give our, our, enriched your rating to whoever the fuck you want to give, who else to give it to. And didn't you just say, nah, we're just going to, like, bomb you anyway.

And then they, it's kind of the perfect trap, really. I mean, you got to applaud it in a way. It's also, go ahead. No, I was, no, I was just thinking about two, man. like how you know at some point in the future if we have i mean there will be a future will we be in it is the question right but like um i got to think about like well we have new adaptations do adjust well we have projects gills for example yeah yeah you like some water world shit web feet web feet two stomachs like a cow so we can digest like uh you know gmo chemicals grasses and

and yeah plastics Yeah, we'll get together in 30 years and we'll all look like some fucking something out of like shape of water. The squid billies and some shit like that. Yeah, that's right. But like I was just thinking like, you know, you can look back at certain historical moments like, you know, I guess World War II and you can point to many different reasons. World War I rather, I guess. You can point to many different reasons why it happened, not just the assassination of, you know, France, Ferdinand, right? But like, this feels like a moment that people could look at and it'll be like this is a unique.

historical moment where Trump's hubris and stupidity was the fulcrum upon which history turned. Yeah. There are a lot of reasons and things that allowed him to, you know, to, you know, to become president, sure, and all these pressures and whatnot. But it's really just one guy's stupidity and hubris. That led us to this moment. We live, Terrence has said, we live in his imagination. We do live in his imagination. And, you know, whether metaphysically or not, like literally the effect is the same.

I mean, but like in this lead up to war, like something that has really been astonishing to me is the role played by Jared Kushner and Steve Whitkoff, who were the diplomatic negotiators with Iran who like, I don't know if you've seen these stories that have come out about these negotiations now. But like the Whitcroft and Kushner had no idea, like they had no translation for like the. technical terms that Iran was using. They specifically rejected using a translator for that portion of the program. They had no frame of reference for like understanding Iran's nuclear program. And by the way, Steve Whitkoff's best friend is Miriam Adelson. And like he has in his office, he carries with him a custom pager gifted to him by like Netanyahu and see your Mossad officials.

like in reference to that pager attack, which the Israelis think is so epic and cool. This guy, like, they wanted war, right? Like, they wanted war from the very fucking beginning. So, like, everything that's come out afterwards from, like, an Omani, I think you referenced it, Tom. An Omani official, like, said, like, Iran was prepared to give them an even more conciliatory deal

than they gave Obama. And Trump and Israel, the ones that, like, chose war. And now the entire global economy is collapsing. Like, I'm serious. Like, I don't, we've joked about rationing podcasts, but like, if bread, if food and oil are the first to be rationed, um, podcasts will be, uh, you know, quaint. We go out of the window, brother. Yeah, we'll have to know, was Jared Kushner in a rod with a bog and when Trump bombed it without warning?

That'd have been pretty funny. Wait, caught. He's like, what's your head, Jared. With coughing cushion, it's like the Lewis and Clark of bitch-assness. You know what I mean? It's like they've conquered here to-for unseen territory of pussy-ass bitchness. Did you all see? I might have told this on Monday, but I saw something that cracked me up.

It was like this video like Chris Christie went on a podcast and was talking about when Trump brought him into the administration and they were like interviewing candidates and all this stuff and they had him picked out for whatever the fuck he was for like eight seconds. when Trump's like, let me call you a fatty on Twitter like five times, and you can be like an undersecretary of something or whatever, back in whatever that was, Trump won. And Chris Christie tells a funny-ass story about how, and it just speaks to how diluted these people are

and how, like, Israel must be vanquished, okay, with using extreme prejudice. He comes in that meeting between Trump and Christy and starts telling Trump, no, as fat ass can't be in here. because he prosecuted my father, you know, Charles Kushner, who was a finance criminal. And when Trump was asking him about the finer details of it,

Kushner, with a straight face, said that his father should have been tried for finance crimes under rabbinic law. Can you imagine that? Can you imagine, like, that's like some sovereign citizenship. It's like, actually, Your Honor, like, you are not my judge and jury. That is only a... and chosen panel of rabbis from Israel, okay? You're not the beginning and end of me.

And it's like, but you defrauded people in the state of New Jersey. Doesn't matter. Does it? My only judge is Yahweh. It's just mass delusion, dude. It's just to finish Trump's thing here, and then I'll move on to Zionism for everyone. Because there's a few things I wanted to say about that essay.

I was not prepared for how fucking stupid it was when we tried to read it on the show on Monday on the Patreon. But to finish Trump's post here real quick, a relatively small section of the hole has been hit. The United States knew nothing about this particular attack, and the country of Qatar was in no way, shape, or form involved with it, nor did it have any idea it was going to happen. Unfortunately, Iran did not know this

or any of the pertinent facts pertaining to the South Pars attack, and unjustifiably and unfairly attacked a portion of Qatar's LNG gas facility. No more attacks will be made by Israel, all caps, pertaining to this extremely important, valuable South Pars field, unless Iran unwisely decides to attack a very innocent, in this case, Cotter. In which instance, the United States of America, with or without the help or consent of Israel, will massively blow up the entirety of the South Pars gas field at an amount of strength and power that Iran has never seen your witness before, I do not want to authorize this level of violence and destruction because of the long-term implications that it will have on the future of Iran. But if Kotters, LNG is attacked again, I will not hesitate to do so.

Thank you for your attention to this matter. So wait, I'm confused. Hold on. So he said, no more attacks. Israel must commit no more attacks. But if Iran continues attacks, then we will bomb it back into the stone. Like, I'm just kind of confused. Okay.

Yeah. It's, well, it's his entire thing from the beginning. of this, which is that we've won the war and we're winning it and we're doing better than we've ever done, but we've also won it and we're not going to hit any gas fields, but we will if Israel does something stupid, but we love Israel, but Israel didn't make us do this, but Israel didn't make us do this. Here's the thing. Just do what Americans have been doing for time immemorial. Just claim victory and pull out. That's what we've been doing. We ain't one goddamn wars.

There's no money in winning wars. We don't know how. We wouldn't know what to... The reason they can't now. The reason they cannot just pull out at this point is because the global oil and liquid natural gas market

is so profoundly fucked that pulling out now would change nothing about it. It's fucked for at least the next year. For at least the next six to nine months. They said at least until mid-27 is that the soonest it could, rebounds.

So, like, that whole situation is fucked. But my hunch is that continuing to be over there is not going to, you know, do anything to help that timeline. But the reason why, dude, the reason why it now cannot back down and de-escalate is because that would require a few things from the Americans, which they do not have the ability to do. one of which is to renegotiate several things with the Gulf states and there is a lot of bad blood with the Gulf states now

and that would require a diplomatic effort the likes of which this country is probably not fucking seen You can't just say Jared Kushner You don't, they ain't got the team for that, bro. They ain't got the team for that They send Jared over there, Jared ain't coming back You can't, yeah, you can't send Jared Kushner They'll get the Jamal Khashoggi special for sure

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Jared will get the bonesaw, no question Number two. They may give him the Colombian necktie. Right, taking him up in a helicopter and fuck him off. Number two, that would require them to start renegotiating with Iran, which they cannot do now, precisely because they have hit so much of their critical infrastructure and killed so many of their pragmatic leaders that only the hardliners are basically running things now. So they can't do that.

They've truly painted themselves into a corner. Number three. They cannot fucking negotiate with Europe now Because that would mean they would have to touch the Ukraine-Russia situation Which has now become such a fucking powder keg like a hot button issue for them Because they've lifted sanctions on Russian oil Dog they are so far fucking down the looking glass They're so far in the building way

You know maze of mirrors That they have talked about unsanning Iranian oil on the fucking oceans, unsanctioning Iranian oil. Can you imagine that? Like the Iranians are going to overlook the carpet bombing the last 10 weeks, but you know these yanks are all right. They're like, now they

want to lift sanctions. On the third point, they can't reopen all this stuff with Europe because they've antagonized Europe so deeply over Ukraine and Greenland and every other motherfucking thing that they've basically torched all their relationships there. And so why, like,

Trump last week was like, NATO better show up for us. They better fucking do something. That's all they have left is just bluster and bullying. And it's fucking very thin these days. It just doesn't. And words of my British friend, great. We've got no mates. We've got no mates.

It's just, I don't know, like, they couldn't de-escalate at this point because there is no way to do it. Yes, they could just pull back. everything, bring it all back home. But that would mean that they would then have to start the diplomatic process. And I genuinely think they fear that more than they do sending boots on the ground to take stupid fucking islands or whatever. We're more versed with boots on the ground than diplomacy.

Because our word's good for shit. You know what I mean? Yeah. They don't have the dexterity or the flexibility to negotiate, you know, for diplomacy. It's just easier to just carpet bomb Tehran, you know. And I'm reading this, as we're reading this, direct Iranian missile hits Israel's Haifa oil refinery. Netanyahu will hold a press conference here in a few hours.

Reporter asked Trump, why didn't you inform allies before attacking Iran? Trump, we wanted surprise. Who knows better about surprise than Japan? Why didn't you tell me about Pearl Harbor? Oh, my God. Scott Besson today. In the coming days, we may unsanctioned the Iranian oil that's on the water. It's about 140 million barrels.

So depending how you count it, it's 10 days, two weeks of supply. They're talking about, like, you know. Wait, can we just go back to that surprise thing, dude? I just love that because, like, it's like, it's just like letting your golf partners know that you're about to launch an offensive. It's not a negation of a surprise attack. You know, that is true. That is true. Like, you don't want, yes, you don't want to let the enemy know, sure.

But you have to let your fucking allies. Oh, he's talking about it with the same logic as a surprise birthday party, bro. It's so funny. Dude, he's saying today, he's saying today, I'm not putting troops anywhere. He just said that because he's holding, as we are recording this, he's holding this press conference with like a Japanese official. Scott Besson says we are seeing the defections at all levels as they're starting to sense what's going on with the regime. It doesn't get reported here in the U.S. The regime will probably collapse within itself.

Talking about Iran, these people are talking out of their fucking ass. I genuinely think we will see boots on the ground. I don't see this ending any other way because, like, they have already set into motion. I think about that fog of war documentary. You know what I mean? Like we're... The McNamara documentary? Yeah, McNamara.

Yeah, McNamara is talking about... about Cruzchev sending Kennedy during the Cuban Missile Crisis two memos, one of which was like a hardliner message. The second memo was, he has that bad, like that hard fucking quote where he's like, I've seen the effects of war in the Ukraine. Like I fucking, I was there for like the siege in like Nazis rolling over the fucking step and all this. Like he's like, you and I are on both ends of a rope.

The likes of which if we untie the knot, the world has never seen. Like they, they don't realize. Trump people that they are pulling, they're on the rope. They cannot get out of them. Now imagine then you take one of those guys out of there, but you add 16 clowns that rolled up in a car together and gave them one of those ends.

It's just, it's all fucking, it is pure fucking acceleration now, boys. It's like there's nothing left. I'm reading here, in a major win for Big Banks, the Trump administration is pushing to loosen the capital restrictions put in place after the 2008 financial crisis.

It's like we... It is pure fucking... That's rich guy logic. That's rich guy logic. Oh, here's what we'll give this economy a shot in the arm. We just give more money to the most craving assholes on the planet. That's what will happen because, dude... You can share a sheet many times, but skinny what you want.

I think that's part of the reason why... to we, I don't want to say we won't see it into this, but we'll only see escalation from here on out, I think. It's because these guys are still making money either way, you know? There's no goal for this war

when you can raid the coffers in the meantime. You know what I mean? Yeah. Well, the thing is, in modern warfare, there was a very brief period, I think, where you could say that, like, wars were won sort of

on two metrics, like how many of their guys you killed and how much land or assets or resources of theirs you took, it used to be a very political, politically thorny thing if a bunch of your guys got killed. But now we kind of live in a world where everything is so cynical. Like, I think you said it best earlier. One of you said it best earlier, I think it was you, Aaron.

Like, it doesn't really matter now. Like, they, our leaders don't care how much. many Americans get killed. Like, they just don't give a fuck. Like, they could get, like, you could kill, like, three million of them in a fucking day. Like, that's why Iran would never target American cities or anything. I think you said, you were saying this, Tom.

Like, they would never target American cities because, like, they know that that wouldn't even matter because Americans, well, just eat it. A, the American public is so fucking housebroken, they probably would eat it if the Chicago got nuked. But B, they know that our leaders wouldn't give a fuck anyways. Dude, if our leaders allow children, like, Sandy Hook Yuvalde, right?

Sandy Hook was the one thing The thing that happened Where I was like, Oh, no amount of bloodshed on American soil done to not even just American citizens I'm talking about children, dog

No amount of No amount of bloodshed You know, against Americans Will stop these people, you know what I mean? Yeah Or we'll make them

Give them any pause at all They don't give a fuck, dude They don't give a fuck. I mean They don't care And, And so that like raises some important, interesting questions of like, how do you win a war then? Like what is the new metric for winning wars?

Is it like how much of an enemy's infrastructure you can destroy? Like that kind of is looking at how many of its leaders can you kill? I got a pet theory. I don't even think we want to win wars. I think what we want is just extended entanglements that we could, because we win wars by saying we win wars. But nobody wins wars. We kill a bunch of kids. We do crimes against humanity.

And then after these big, long fucking engagements, you know, a handful of dickheads made a bundle of cash. And like, there's more money in losing wars than there is in winning. 100%. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like the decapitation strategy, like, seems like financial pragmatism. It's even fucked up. We're talking about it in those terms because we're talking about, like, targeted assassinations and stuff.

But they talk about it like it's sound business decision. but all that does is inflame shit and make us more prone to this kind of shit, dude. And it's so insane. It's insane from our, obviously from our reputational standpoint and what economic life is like for us here. But also just, it's satanic. It is satanic, man. And you have, like, otherwise people that claim to be otherwise moral people talking about this, like it's just like the course of things.

Right. You know, they've always done that over there. No, the fuck. there's nothing that sets me off like that shit. Like, there's always done that over there, you know? That is something, Tom, that's like very... I don't know, it's kind of like blown my mind. And I was hinting at it earlier.

But just the kind of like cynicism and nihilism of a global governing structure that like could really give a fuck less that Israel is doing this. You know what I mean? Like, genuinely, like I... Not just Israel, the United States. Like, the Israel and the United States

are embarking on a, like, world tour of just death and destruction and land theft and genocide. And, like, every day Pete Higgs-eth comes out and says, death and destruction from above, you know what I mean? Like, we're raining down death and destruction. That, like, we have become so sort of numb or a nerd to the routine violations of international crime or international law that like we were just fine with targeting critical energy infrastructure, hospitals, children,

and leaders of state. Like that to me is like that, but these were all things that were like considered war crimes and, you know, red lines. And now we have all just kind of like walked into this like situation. where it's like not only are we entering a global conflict world war but we're entering a world war with zero breaks and zero checks on like how it can be conducted and who can do what you know what i'll say too dude you would see and i'm not saying that the united states or the west is above killing civilians um obviously right but you saw at least um after october 7th the

automatic, reflective defense that Israel would never bomb hospitals. Israel would never bomb schools, right? Yeah. And the more that it became, I mean, not apparent to us, because we already knew that shit, right? But the more it became undeniable, right?

Yeah. That Israel was targeting civilians, right? It's almost as like those excuses, those preemptive excuses went out the window entirely, you know? So it's almost as if, like, and I'm not saying the United States again. It's a silence.

It's literally, it's, It's a global deadening silence where they just don't even acknowledge it at all. They don't say anything. They don't have to. We don't have to because we don't have to because Israel already not that our Israel didn't get the playbook from us. But Israel already ran a playbook of targeting civilians, targeting journalists and their families, you know, targeting Palestinian leaders. You know what I'm saying? I mean, and even artists, I mean, all of this shit and creatives, all of this shit, dude, is like, now we're just, you know, we're in partnership with Israel.

We're just doing it hand in hand and everybody thinks it's fucking normal, you know? Because the past two and a half years, we've seen this shit play out. Yeah. It is a like sort of hardening. We have mentioned this multiple times in our show, but it's a kind of like hardening and retrenchment of political horizons. And that is something that like I've been thinking about like since we tried to read that essay on Monday. And if I could just like kind of give you a quick summary of it, because we're not going to be able to. read the whole thing.

Because it is extraordinarily long and like all fascist propaganda completely unreadable. It's like literally illogical. It is, as Tom said on Monday's episode, like they can't even make sense anymore. Like they don't even know how to talk about it anymore. Like they are so delusional. Like they're so fucking just in, in psych, full like bloodless psychosis that they can't even understand what they're trying to say anymore. But it is obvious, like, reading to me, like, I think, what they're trying to say.

I think this has a lot of relevance for, like, the modern global political situation, and especially the American political situation. But, like, if you listen to the show on Monday, you'll know that she starts... The essay is Zionism for everyone in Tablet Mag. And she starts talking about, like, just these very vague things. like, oh, the world's crazy. A.I. is becoming a thing. And, you know, there's a lot of wars going on right now.

Crazy. The only place you can be gay is in Israel. It's weird. Anyway. She says, she's like literally, in the midst of all this craziness in the world right now, future historians will really have to figure out why, of all things, people wanted to talk about,

dot, dot, dot, dot, Zionism. Like, I just don't understand it. and then proceeds to like try to make the case for why we should be talking about Zionism right now, even though they don't want us to be talking about Zionism right now. It's completely incoherent and a lot. Does that make sense? No, and I mean, I think the fact that you wrote this article proves the fact that Zionism is a very important political. It's like, it's like, it does this.

It just does this the whole time. The whole time, extreme highs, extreme lows. it's a very like, in my opinion, it's very, uh, it is a very endemic, um, trait to a lot of Zionist propagandists to do this very weasly, mealy-mouthed thing where like, oh,

we're just little guys. Like, why is anyone picking on us? And by the way, we, we offer the most glorious vision for human flourishing. But why is anyone want to talk about us? We're a little birthday boys with glasses, but also. It's fucking very, very, it's very, It's creepy.

It's creepy, yeah. Well, I mean, if you were to just outright say what your omnisado project was, you know, then that would be an incredible turnoff to majority of people. Well, I just want to read a few, like, excerpts from it that we didn't get to on Monday. But just to, like, recap, she talks about, like, she opens it up with, yeah, like I was saying, the world's crazy. The world's on fire. Everybody, it's like Billy Joel song, like, oh.

you know, JFK and MGMLK and blah blah But the Oasis of sanity is real. I like how you're narrating that is Barack Obama. And then she talks about

like the concept of an ethnos and her idea of like historical change that all technological innovations spur on changes in social theological arrangements in how we organize society. You can't be talking about that white lady.

You can't be talking about it. Yeah. Her name is Alana Newhouse. I don't know anything about her. But she is an American. But maybe also wants to be a Zionist or who knows. But you know, it talks about like the concept of like technological change. Again, this is her conception of history.

Technological change breeds changes in social arrangements. and this is how we arrived at the concept of tribes and ethnos and then goes on to talk about how like why does no one ever get pissed at Japan for being an ethnos state and like brings up all these like you know because Zionists love to do this they bring these counterfactuals up we had a war bro you know what dog yeah whatever but um so like just you know that's the part we read uh we quickly had to speed to the end because we were getting um it's like we We were doing too many whippets and we couldn't even think anymore. Why doesn't Japan?

I'm just really stuck on that. Why doesn't Japan get called out as an ethno state dog? I mean, setting aside the Japan issue, it'll come back up. Well, Japan was doing some Israel-like shit when they put the fucking smallpox on the feathers and threw them in Korean people's homes and shit. I'm sympathetic to the argument, but not in the direction that they're going with it. You know what I mean? It's like.

You see, they're just as vile. They just have just a vile of history as we do. Her, it is completely garbled and nonsensical because Japan now has a pacifist constitution. They're basically not allowed to have a military. Well, then that didn't Trump lift that? And immediately they were like,

we got to bring China to heal. Maybe that was a joke. There is a lot of fascist elements in Japan. But, you know, setting aside, what I think are some major differences. You're right, Tom. I'm a little sympathetic to the idea. But, like, her ultimate argument is that that's good.

And that we should embrace nationalism. And her specific version of nationalism that we should embrace is Zionism. And here's the case. Here's how she's going to make the case. It is hard to process the human effort, time, blood, creativity, capital of all kinds that went into developing the identity of Western nations. Everyone was its own collective work of aesthetics and human engineering,

as impressive as any physical structure built by the great empires of the past. What the fuck are you talking about? What the fuck is the aesthetics? She turned into an art critic for a minute. What are you talking about? Dude, she wears many hats in this piece. I'll tell you.

She's basically like, nations are when you get vibes and put them together. It's when you put all the different colored crayolas in the box. Then you have your own food. Now, in 2006, they are experiencing massive and in some cases

crippling identity crises as though they'd all been struck by some force of nature like an ice age or the impact of a comet. She loves to do these a little flourishing. She really thought she went off

with this one and it'll become more clear. You remember when Hamas attacked Israel on October 7th? It was like the asteroid hit the dinosaur. A new epoch was there. In fact,

it was more like a social contagion. Asian, man-made, unstoppable, and maddening to witness if you understood what you were looking at. It began 80 years ago in the wake of the Holocaust. She's talking about the identity crisis of the West. As the rebuilding efforts began, alongside them came an ideological and philosophical reckoning, explains the Swedish writer, Anika Hearn Rothstein, who succinctly laid out the narrative in a recent essay. This is the excerpt from that essay. Europe decided that the villain was ideology itself.

Ideology built on a religious belief and defined identity led to the formation of nation states, borders and divisions between places, peoples, and beliefs. This is the thing that she keeps doing and as I say, that is not why we have nation states. We don't have nation states because someone was like, that's a good idea. Yeah, exactly. It was literally a result of political economic developments. The merchant class asserting itself, which would eventually, you know, resists. result in the mode of production known as capitalism. But we don't have nation states because we were like,

that's a cool idea, man. Like, let's do it. You know, I'm in a nation called France. That's a good idea. Let's do it. Yeah, let's do it. Exactly. Wouldn't it be cool if we had a nation called Italy?

Yeah, let's go do it. It's just this, I don't know, pure idealism. Mama me, what a good idea. And so a war damage continent, having just come out of a global conflict over borders and identity, decided to do away with borders and identity altogether, assuming this would be the road to lasting peace. Spoiler alert, it wasn't.

Oh, no, she didn't hiss with a spoiler alert. Instead of inoculating Europe against further strife, the post-nationalist ideology that developed as a response to World War II would end up destabilizing Europe and the whole West, arguably in more lasting ways. She fucking talks about how, with the heavy-handed encouragement of the, the Soviet Union, the confected global community began treating all Western nationalisms and especially American nationalism as criminal,

whereas the nationalisms of post-colonial states were virtuous. I mean, when you have the West, like the United States, with the CIA overthrowing democratically elected leaders, you know what I mean? And like Latin America dog, you know,

fucking around in Africa and shit like that. I mean, I think you could say, which movement is more virtuous. You know what I'm saying? Like the people fighting for the shackles of colonialism or the people trying to keep them shackled. I don't understand. I like what she's insinuating here

is that like this is all part of a nefariously communist plot to convince the masses of the world that certain nationalisms are bad and certain nationalisms are good and woke. And this falls into her schematic of like, Why is Israel targeted unfairly, but Japan isn't? Even though Japan is, you know, we do talk about how fucked up Japan is, but that's neither here and or there. In her schematic, it must be necessary for her to understand the world that this was a communist plot.

Does that sound familiar to anybody? Maybe ringing of Nazi propaganda? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. These illogical rules became codified in the supposedly moral divide between oppressors to whom everything was forbidden and oppressed to whom everything was to be permitted oh no that's fucking terrible why is she also echoing alister crowley there that's kind of a creepy thing did he say that it's like what's the quote he has like something about everything's permitted i forget i have to look it up it's she's like would you like to live deliciously yeah that type

an ideology that is infected international organizations including the UN yeah yeah the UN was infected by Soviet thing what the fuck are you talking about it sounds it sounds like this person is talking about let me tell y'all something though there's a guy I forget what his name is David something David Barton

he's like one of these like Christian nationalists he's like a guy that used to appear on like Kenneth Copeland show and like all the TV preacher shows and like would just do this like weird write these weird revisionist history books that like were like closer to like killing Lincoln than you know like any actual historical thing and I feel like the Zionists have like just been like OD'd on that kind of shit yeah they really have their own conception of history in the world that is totally foreign to everybody else but they're just kind of not aware of it you know what I mean they just they just They don't know that what they've been fed is not in any way a consensus, you know?

This is why I... Yeah. This is why I describe it as a mass delusion. It's like, it rests on an ahistoricalism or what is the word? A historicism. That it just, it's, it's a fantasy. It doesn't correspond to anything in reality. Like, I guess, like, you have the nations right.

We did... Something called the Soviet Union did exist ones. But other than that, it's like Narnia. Like, what? What the fuck? Also, it's extremely rich for her to be talking about, like, the Soviet Union, like, nefariously working behind the scenes to, like, undermine the Western nationalisms when, as one of you pointed out, the CIA was doing that and is still doing that till this day. But Israel itself is fucking doing that in America. Like, did you guys see this?

Did you guys see this, do you guys see this thing about these races in Chicago and how much money APEC spent on these races in Chicago? but they can't do it under the name APEC anymore because APEC is so toxic and no one wants to fucking be associated with it so now they've created these shadow groups called like People for Democracy and Chicago Progressive Partnership that like are masks

front organizations for APEC You know what I mean? Yeah they've got like a they've got like a I'd say this as a matter of fact but like they also have like sort of a social media strategy arm called the six points that goes around paying influencers like $1,000 for a post, just to not even sometimes explicit, sometimes just to muddy the waters and be like pro-Iran war and stuff like that.

You know, like, I've no friends that have told me they've been approached by those lobbies and offered money to just like put out videos that just, you know, have the air of like, you know, like this thing's good in Iran or whatever. if they're spending money and operating behind the scenes to like muddy the waters and stuff like that kind of makes you think they might also be paying people and training people to do false flags

that give people the notion you know what I mean like including but not limited to some of our national bogeyman like you know ISIS and Al Qaeda well yeah well obviously that but also just like this idea that anti-Semitism is just like fucking a massive social problem that's going to like like wind up in as Michelle Goldberg said a stab in the back myth which is like wake the fuck up

up we don't live in that fucking world if Israel went away tomorrow what do you think what happened to Jews worldwide nothing nothing nothing nothing in fact in fact it would probably be a net it would probably be a boon to jewish people it would be great for them it's a thing though is that like you could say that any ideology maybe takes not any but many ideologies can take liberties with history, you know, bended and manipulated to their will. But you can see that, like, I don't know, this methodization of Israel is very similar

to the same mythology we have about America, where it all is a historical and bends to justify a settler colonial state, right? I mean, this is exactly why, again, I have to bring up this commercial. This is why you have this commercial equating anti-black racism, anti-semitism to anti-black racism.

That's just so insulting. That we saw during the Super Bowl, right? That's just so insulting. Like, in the youthsional. United States we're talking about that's fucking in the insane comparison to bring up dog I'm sorry you know uh listen I understand like you know there's there was real problems at a certain point in American history with like you know Jewish people not being able to get in certain schools or living certain neighborhoods and like that's real you don't want to erase any of that stuff but like

there's still neighborhoods in eastern Kentucky where black people can't buy a house today you know what I mean like it's just like to say that and then to like just to compare like people being mad about Israel to like, you know, people, like, dealing with the legacy of, like, slavery is, like, it's absurd. It's just absurd in every way. And, like, all of this to justify the existence of a settler colonial pedophile state. To me, what's so frustrating about all this is, like, it doesn't have to be zero sum. Like, I don't understand what's so, this is the thing, everyone is 12 now and no one can talk about this, like, adults. I don't think it should have to be difficult to say that, like,

anti-Semitism was one of the bedrock ideologies of the Christian West that affected its development in terms of political economy and racial ideology and all this stuff, and resulted in a horrific historical event known as the Holocaust. But that is not the same thing as saying, you know, I think we should be able to. to acknowledge that. And then I think we should also, in the same breath,

be able to acknowledge that, like, criticizing the state of Israel does not traffic in any of that same tradition of anti-Semitism that resulted in the Holocaust. Granted, there are plenty of cynical people who do want to do that, like Tucker Carlson or whatever. I don't fucking trust any of those people to do that. Well, in fact, too, that when the Joe Kent thing happened,

we were talking about earlier, that was my first thought. I was like, is this guy just jumping off the Trump wagon to sort of hitches wagon to Tucker Carlson's sort of nascent political sort of movement that you can clearly see playing his day that he's cooking up? When it's possible, but the thing is, it's like I don't even really, I don't know. Maybe this is controversial to say,

but like let's game that out. What if Tucker Carlson is the next Adolf Hitler? Like, okay, so are we going to, do you really think that within Tucker Carlson's lifetimes we will start doing like death camps again in like the United States and like raising the specter of world Jewry like I mean maybe is this an anti-semitic Trump to say

Beside would cap his ass before any of that started you know what I'm saying? Well he's probably he's probably CIA said himself I guess that's yeah maybe that's where I'm going with this but I don't I don't fucking know man like let's say let's say Israel does collapse under the weight of its own contradictions. Tucker Carlson and the anti-Semitic right does rise to a position of power and prominence. I think that the tenets of anti-Zionism are so deeply held within the American left that I would assume that we would... I don't know. I don't know if like I don't know... Dude, I don't

know what I'm trying to say, but I don't know if like the German left... They were read through that shit. Yeah, I don't know if the German left was inoculate as well inoculated against anti-Semitism as our American left is now. Like, we're pretty well inoculated against it. Does that make sense? You know, that makes sense. That makes sense, yeah. So I don't know. And I think the American public is also pretty well inoculated against it.

Like, I do genuinely think that, like, a lot of normy Americans think the Holocaust was terrible, think anti-Semitism is terrible, and think Israel is terrible. I think those are all like ideas that the normie American holds and that you should be able to hold in your head with that like completely like melting down. You know what I'm saying? Right. I don't know. Maybe I'm maybe I'm crazy though. No, no. I think the only people that have just described the median opinion.

I think the only people that have a hard time with that are the ones who are also justifying Israel's actions. Right. Yeah. While trying to like, you know, call out, label everything is anti-Semitic. The only people have a problem with that are those people. for it. Yeah. Because otherwise they would be they would be unmasking their omnisital, you know,

project. Yeah. Right. Well, let me continue reading here. After the end of the Cold War, the anti-nationalist ideology got another powerful boost from the opposite direction. The forces of global capitalism and emerging new technologies that sought to eliminate national differences in order to optimize their own operations. I knew she was going to get to

globalism. Let's go. Let's go. All cultures and religions had to be considered functionally the same because they were seen that way by technologies that were designed for universal access. All cultures and religions? What's this wee shit?

All cultures and religions? Well, she's getting at an anti-capitalist critique here, but again, it rings pretty hollow when the American National Security State and Israel national security are highly dependent on these technologies. to say the least.

The primary beneficiaries. I mean, I guess she's saying that like we have an existential and spiritual crisis because of the rise of social media, AI, the internet, all this stuff, which is like, yeah, everyone knows that. You're not making a fucking profound point. This isn't Joe Rogan.

You know what I'm saying? But if she, but should she be happy then that because if this technology is like, I don't know, like making us more cohesive, I guess or racing death? I guess is sort of where she's getting at. Yes, she's getting, she's saying that like this resulted in a new multicultural world where nationalisms were even for, because the Soviet Union had fucking like orchestrated the

situation where like some nationalisms were good, but some were bad. But then technology came and like dissolved all of it. And made us all say kubayah, but wouldn't it, what did she be happy now that technologies are being used to surveil certain populations and alienate people, leaving more? I mean, obviously she's not thinking about this. They're fucking, they are completely they don't, they're oblivious to that. They're out to lunch, Aaron. They're out to lunch.

A new boundary boundaryless world was said to be drawing. What is that a word? Was said to be dawning by who? What does that mean? Where distinctions would be erased and goods and people would move around the world at will, making markets and ideas and were powerful. Huh. I wonder

what did that. You think it was just the internet? You fucking moron. Yo, I love, bro. I know this might be, I know this might be like an all, uh, might be unrelated, but I remember like years ago,

man, in Time magazine, I looked up the speculative, I read the speculative essay talking about what people would look like a thousand years from now, like no, a million years from now. And we were all olive skin,

right? And I just thought it was really kind of funny and like maybe juvenile. I don't know about the scientific accuracy of that. But this is literally like the nightmare that these conservatives have is that we'll become one melded, like I'm in racial species

will all become Italian Living on Pan Gio or some shit like that you know what I'm saying I love this like her insinuating though with greater circulation of capital

would come greater rewards like with great responsibility you're just describing markets dog like they have exist for a while like I

Politicians throughout 20,000 words on this Dude it's insane dude politicians throughout the West from both the left and the right began to see themselves as members of a larger transnational global community

that had moved beyond the crude realities of national identity to larger questions like the composition of a global monoculture shaped by free markets and international law with special carveouts to help the quote oppressed catch up and join the global system

well it's just like what's so fucking fascinating to me about that is like have you never heard of the fucking IMF or the World Bank a structural adjustment is that phrased and never crossed your desk. Do you not understand how the fucking global economic system works?

You fucking moron. There were no special statuses afforded to quote up press nations. The only special status afforded to them was that they got fucking harder to like debt, you know, demands, obligations put on their fucking

they had to cut social services welfare, social welfare services and shit like that so they can get loans to the IMF and the World Bank bro. What are you talking about? Dude, it's so, it's so crazy. Again, it's like that fairy thinking that everything just runs by this invisible hand. And what it is is they've devalued labor so much that they've, instead of seeing, you know, the workers of the world as who were actually the invisible hand,

that run everything, they've like taken that away from those people. Because if they acknowledge that, then the whole thing falls apart. So they just say there's something metaphysical about America and Israel that keeps us blessed. And it's no, it's the exploitation of the working class. The working class is the real hidden hand. It is true, Tom. It is a extremely idealist vision of the world, non-material, very similar to like the Nazi vision of the world. But like, you know, they called, they used to call anti-Semitism the socialism of fools.

And it still is. But Zionism is also, like, you see it. She's critiquing capitalism in a way. Zionism is the fascism of fools. I mean, it kind of is. It's like, you see them critiquing capitalism in a way, right? But you're like, you're right, Tom. Like, they can't understand where profit comes from,

where value and surplus comes from, because, like, that just, that would explode their entire schematic. Like, it has to be coming from these either metaphysical sources or these hidden conspiratorial communist sources or... It's kind of, it's kind of comes out of the same place. It's like, if communism is sprung, out of working class Judaism. Zionism sprung out of bourgeois Judaism

and like as a response to communism. That's true. You know? That is very true, yeah. Western countries pushed towards seeing themselves in strictly legalistic terms, embracing national identities encumbered by as little baggage as possible.

The less binding your identity was, the more open you could be to people, ideas, and goods from the rest of the world. Great Britain adopted a version of this ideal under former Prime Minister Boris Johnson and his Tory predecessors, as did the U.S. under its open borders policy under President Trump. Wait, you mean... Or I'm sorry, Joe Biden, under President Joe Biden.

Didn't Boris Johnson oversee Brexit? So wouldn't that just fly in the face of what she's saying? Isn't she saying that he's been more amenable to this kind of like transnationalism, I guess? That's a good point. I understand, like, because she's basically saying that Boris Johnson and Joe Biden were like very similar. Yeah, but the whole Brexit shit happened, if I'm not mistaken, it happened under Boris Johnson.

I thought so, too. This whole isolationist short- Joe Biden fucked the pig to get into a fraternity too? Or was that David Cameron? That was David Cameron. That's not a Black Mirror episode? Okay.

It was based on a real thing. Yeah, it was a Black Mirror episode. France adopted a similar, if less openly enthusiastic policy toward the inhabitants of its former colonial possessions in Africa, talking about Germany. country by country elites

would then be shocked to discover how unpopular these bipartisan supported universally policies were talking about open borders as it turned out most citizens of Western countries did not want to inhabit a post-local post-historical world Britons were furious to find Pakistani

Muslim rape gangs have been molesting their children under the de facto protection of the law only we get to do that to them they don't get to come back and do it to us if there's any raping to be done around here my God, we're going to be the ones. Any raping and pillaging? That's the British way.

Swedes where aghastified large areas of their major cities have become no-go zones ruled by foreign gangs. Leftists in their newfound Islamist and third-worldest allies struggled to explain why say French nationalism was inherently wrong, but Palestinian nationalism was

was right, or why it was better for goods to be made in China by state factories using slave labor than to enact tariffs on foreign goods. Americans. I like how she thinks she's like fucking getting Leftist. She's so clever dog. Yeah.

Free Palestine. What about free Britain? Like, what are you talking about? I don't think I know a single, I don't think I know a single leftist who is good with goods being made in China by slave labor. I don't.

I've not met one yet. As a leftist sneaker head, I'm not okay with it. Personally, I'm not okay. Um, And in fact, I do support tariffs in some situations. Like, I think Trump's liberation day's thing was completely fucking moronic.

But, like, tariffs aren't, you know, axiomatically bad. Like, but, like, why French nationalism is inherently wrong or Palestinian nationalism was right. Can I answer that really quick? Really quick for it. Haiti. That's all I'm saying. I love that story that came up. What was that guy that we read about in the group chat, Terrence?

Oh, Sontanax. Sontanax, yeah. I'd heard him mention in the Haitian Revolution episode of revolutions. Yeah, great name. It's funny because, like, you know, to St. Louvator for all of, like, you know, his strengths and stuff, he really was, like, you know, like, committed to having, like, a Francophile nation, and, like, he wanted to be, like, you know, have Haitians be educated in the French system and all that kind of stuff.

And then when Desaline came on, he's like, now bring that little fat French boy back. We need a little more of that. He's the only one, though. Also, like, it depends on how you define nationalism. But, like, the reason French nationalism is bad is because it has generally been used to subject millions of people from Vietnam to Algeria around the world.

There is, I don't think there's anything, like, on the face of it. fucking far to see that. I don't think there's anything wrong with being proud of a specific national cultural heritage or like the music you make, the food you make, this type of the clothes you wear. I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

Once it then gets extended into imperial, imperial aggression and theft and resource extraction, that's when it becomes bad. You know what I'm trying to learn other languages and experience their music and their food and their cinema and all that stuff. It gets bad,

when you go to a place and say, y'all need to speak French now. And also, we want your rubber and oil. Right. But I have to assume that this person isn't stupid enough to recognize that, that you can't, you can't, like, clamor about French and Latin nationalism extricate it from any colonial imperial history. This person's just being willfully ignorant, right? Yeah, you're right. Because it's like, the, the fact that you would even compare the two. Why is German, so let me ask you a question. Is German nationalism of the same level? level as Jewish nationally? Like, let me ask you a question. Like, which one are you okay with given the, I mean, actually now we can say that they both intertwined, you know what to be? But okay.

That's a great point because, but, but it makes sense. That's why she has to establish up front. She erred away from that example. Right. But that's why she had to establish up front that some nationalisms are good and some are bad, but she's trying to invert it. It's, dude, it is totally confused. A sane editor, same people would actually be able to look at this and be like,

this makes no fucking sense. lady but like these people are all fucking delusional dog like they don't make any sense to themselves or among themselves what um ordinary citizens of western nations are right to fill they were victims of a bait and switch which various

actors who are either dumb or nefarious or both now routinely attribute to a Jewish plot but the trick that was played had nothing to do with the Jews nor was it intended to be a trick at all instead is a consequence of the failure of Western Elise to understand that the nation like the will is one of those inventions whose usefulness to humans only grows over time.

As a result, they further failed to understand what living in a global society might mean for ordinary people for whom citizenship represented their most valuable form of personal and political family capital. But wouldn't you say that the status of being a citizen is being eroded by the same

exact people who are rabid about borders? You know, closing borders? You know what I mean? You would... God damn, we've almost... recorded two hours. Sorry everybody. In response, people on both the left and the right sought comfort in the past.

Leftist in Europe insisted on an even closer embrace of the post-colonial fetidization of the oppressed in the name of justice and on the grounds that the alternative world would be, alternative would be even worse. For their part, conservatives proclaim their desire to return to foundations that have been rejected as rank bigotry

since the end of World War II. It is kind of interesting, like in this schematic, basically what she's saying is that Zionism offers you an off-ramp, basically like you don't have to fall into the right wing anti-Semitism or the left-wing third worldism you can embrace Zionism which is like a third way.

Third way Zionism. You know I won't once again like we spent way too long on it and I need to just start wrapping this thing up but like just to kind of like speed through to the end here she talks about America

the war on terror the Obama year saw outright attacks aimed at severing the two special tethers in the American ethnos capitalism and the covenant I don't know what the fuck are you're sorry The covenant bro You can't be talking like that Like lady you can't talk about no covenants right

You can't be talking about the racial company Can't be saying that white baby As America's two unique characteristics were eroded The weakness of the country's cultural identity was exposed Leading to a series of miserable and ongoing debates about whether America could be singularly defined as white or Christian or creedal or whatever. Trad became a thing. On the traditional left, Bernie talks about, in AOC talk about solutions being offered were literally, oh, she goes, she talks about like the solutions they offer as not being anything better than they were being offered in the 19th century.

It's like, dog, that's what Zionism is a 19th century. Not a century offering. Fucking moron. blah blah blah what almost no politician seems able to offer is a type of politics that could appeal to a sense of collective purpose that would inspire and mobilize a majority of citizens in the absence of such an appeal the result across the west has been a series of fractured coalition governments ridden by street politics that increasingly resemble outright warfare almost out of nowhere the one thing that everyone seemingly elites normie's old young right left suddenly agreed on was that their problem was quote dot dot, dot, Zionism. Israel is uniquely evil, they claim, because it is an ethno state.

No, I think it's uniquely evil because they butcher families and kill children. I think it's uniquely, we could talk about the dimensions of ethno state had you not, you know, genocide of the people, and before that, put them in a concentration camp and all that kind of stuff. And now they're engaged in an eight-front war.

Now they, like, they opened their attacks on Iran by bombing an elementary school with the United States. I'm not, you know, absolving the United States. That was a co-lab because they both see, like, children as legitimate targets.

But also just, like, look at what they're doing in Lebanon. Like, dog, I saw a video yesterday of IDF soldiers doing the same shit they did in Gaza where they would go into someone's apartment complex and, like, still their underwear and, like, wear them around, like, epically. Like, the fucking... The thing that kills me,

And this essay also kind of like telegraphs unintentionally is how fucking cringe these assholes are. Just like they've got like such a psychotic view of the world that their attempts at humor are like, what if we wore a person's underwear that we've killed? Right, right. You know what I'm saying? Like the Nazis didn't even have that fucking like a sense of humor,

if you want to call it a sense of humor. Right, and I think that people around the world would just look at that like you're a fucking freak. And maybe everything that I've been hearing about you is true, you know. Yeah. At first, she's talking about the Zionism thing. At first, this seemed like an odd answer to the most important challenge of the moment, which was the dangerously rapid decline of their own melting pot states.

But when seen in this light, it becomes more obvious that the attacks on Israel were in fact attacks on everyone else's national identities. If Zionism, as a nationalist movement, is held to be somehow lacking in legitimacy, It's in order to make sure that France and Germany, much younger nations with long histories of starting wars with their neighbors and conquering other people. Way, way, way, way. She said France and Germany a bunch of younger.

Germany's pretty young, but France is pretty fucking old. You can really kind of trace it all the way back to like Charlemagne, like the fucking eighth century. Listen, Israel is a political entity is younger than my father. You know, my deceased father, dude. I'm not taking any shape of. No, dude. I'm not listening to that. Come on. Zionism, please stop being dumb. Zionism did not become a target because of the supposed crimes of the Israeli government,

which ordered the invasion of Gaza in response to a massive attack on its own country, blah, blah, blah, blah. Zionism became a target because it represented what Westerners on the right claim to desperately want but are unable to attain, and what Westerners on the left wish to define is impossible, a form of nationalism that is oriented toward the future rather than the past, and that is able to defend its own particularism while protecting individual and social lives. Towards the future, you've been in a protracted 70-year-long genocide and war of resource extraction. What are you talking about?

What is that looking towards the future? That ain't looking toward the future, brother. I ain't break that to you. Uh-huh. The future is supposed to be utopian and, like, design forward. And I don't know... Not a decades-long occupation, dog.

What are you talking about? I'll speed towards the end here, but I missed this. I wish I fucking would have caught this on Monday, but this fucking kills me. This is hilarious. The alchemy of old and new of taking control of one's own fate

and changing the stream of history and mid-course is characteristic of Zionism. It is also how Zionism, having fulfilled its promise for Jews, becomes a technology for national renewal that could conceivably be seized by anyone. All right, listen to this. To see what I mean,

contrast what's happening throughout the West with Javier Millais' presidency in Argentina. In answer to a country whose economy was collapsing in whose national culture had become mired in anxiety and depression, Malay presented Argentines with the prospect of being part of a new and hopeful experiment in which they could define their country

as something other than a scenic economic basket case. Bro, they had to borrow $50 billion last week off the U.S. just to keep everything from going to pot. And he threw a big rock concert with it, where he was the center. What are you talking about? Instead, Malay offered a new solution, one that was both wild.

These people want a 24-7, fucking bass nectar concert that somebody else somewhere pays the fucking bill for. Just welfare queens. You're fucking tasteless fucking welfare queens. That's all you are. That's all you are. Instead, Malay offered a new solution,

one that was both widely idealistic and at the same time entirely pragmatic, a radical market-based shock therapy that every smart person in Argentina knew the country needed, but no politician ever had the wherewithal to enact. I wonder why. I wonder why. The motherfucker who was gifted a chainsaw. A gift of a chainsaw by Elon Musk was the one to do it, though, right?

In other words, what Malay is manifesting... Nobody had the stones to enact. Oh, my God. In other words, what Malay is manifesting is Zionism for Argentines. Lee Kuan Yu conceptualized Zionism for Singaporeans. Narenda Modi is practicing Zionism for Indians. What connects these men is not only they chose nationalism over internationalism. But they all have...

But they read out. that they rooted their ideologies and the specificities of their unique cultures, which they insisted must remain separate and apart from others, but also that they are future-oriented high-octane idealists. This balance of cultural particularism with tough-minded pragmatism and inspiring almost unfathomable idealism, that's Zionism. Zionism for India. Talk about Modi, dog.

So to bring us back to the last paragraph, and you can listen to this in concert with Monday's episode. This will weave together the two threads, the two strands of these episodes. In the last paragraph, I just wanted to read this for you, Aaron. I wanted you to hear it. In antiquity, the Jews bequeathed to the world the concept of the nation as distinct from tribe and empire, which in turn gave rise to modern national identity. Now, with Zionism, Israel has again provided the world with a framework for the future,

this time to avoid entrance in the twin impulses toward digital disembark, integration of identity and self-worship. Don't be so afraid of the gift or so pointlessly resentful of the giver that you deprive yourself of those around and those around you of what you deserve. As we say in Yiddish, Nuts Gazunterheit. Use it in good health and you're welcome. Oh, my God. Thank you for the gift of Zionism. That will lead us into the future.

Yeah, thank you. Thank you for $9 gas and every fucking body in the world hating me. You fucking cunts. God damn, I hate them so fucking bad. The future just being like that fucking scene from Terminator 2 of just like your skeleton getting like fused to a fucking chain leak fence while the world just is wrapped in atomic fucking weaponry. Mechanized IDF soldiers, patrolling in neighborhood.

Oh my God. Oh, man. I think that sums it up though. I think it actually it accomplishes in a weird way kind of what she was trying to have us not accomplish. It's like, we shouldn't be talking about this right now, but I'm going to fucking write 20,000 words about it. Basically, like, it is a kind of repressed,

it's a, psychologically, it's a repressed acknowledgement of the fact that in a world where all other ideologies are kind of exhausted and collapsing and breaking down, Zionism does offer a way for it, and that way for it is mass death. That's true. I don't want to hear them talk about, look into the future when all they do is echo fucking Amalek and fucking

all these fucking Old Testament wars and shit and blah blah blah like yeah no I mean it's pretty clear too that from her essay that mass death liquidation essentially is what she's talking about you know yeah that's the only solution is mass death liquidation of undesirable you know well and it eventually in a long enough timeline and I've been saying this the logic of that thought process is that either Israel wins and gets everything at once in greater Israel, at which point again, this is like Nazism, like where does it end?

If they don't get all that, that means that every Israeli has to die. Like, do people realize that? I'm like, I'm serious. Like, I mean, the way this is, the way the argument has been constructed is that if they don't get everything they want, if they don't get to kill everyone on the planet that opposes them, the entire thing must collapse and also take everyone with it. Right? You know what I'm saying?

The nation must be sacrificed to that it may live. Yes, the nation must be sacrificed so that it may live. And I just, I don't, I have been screaming this into the void for two and a half years now, but when will people wake the fuck up to that? There is no, there is no occult, anti, there's no occult Jewish magic going on. there. This is ideology. It is pure material practice. It is the development of history. Flesh and blood

humans making decisions to mass murder other flesh and blood humans for their own fucked up fucking expansion as project. People need to grow the fuck up. There's no metaphysical dimensions. There's no, like, no. And I'm also talking about this with regards to like

the charges of anti-Semitism or whatever. It is not anti-Semitic to point out the relationship between in the United States and Israel. I think that, like, it is a material relationship. And they use anti-Semitism as a way to shield them from criticism. Yeah, and to deter people from investigating it.

But, like, you got to be fucking, people need to fucking grow the fuck up. We need to be adults about this. This is going to swallow the entire group. I'm going to introduce a concept. It's going to be called anti-gentilism. And it's where if I criticize the state of Israel, I can't get into grad school. that's kind of what we're talking about anti-Semitism. That was the real fruits of anti-Semitism

in the mid-century and so forth. I don't know. So like now it's the exact opposite. It's the goy that if they were vocal about their, you know, disdain for Israel, they couldn't get into grad school or the certain law firm or whatever. Anyway. Well, I hope that the essay was enlightening for you all.

And I'm sorry we went so far overboard today. But I, you know, just to recap, though, put a full, put a bow on it. An insanely unprecedented week in late American collapse. We'll see where it goes. We'll see if anything changes. Seems like we're all in. Tune in next week. We are all in.

We are certainly all in. Anyways, yeah, tune in to the show. Go sign up for Patreon. You can hear us on Monday. Go sign up before gas hits $8 a gallon, and you can't anymore. All right. Well, thanks everybody for listening. We'll talk to you next time.