Trillbilly Worker's Party - Episode 439: The 141 Million

Episode Date: April 10, 2026

Is Trump the Red Heifer? The Beast? Or the Beast's useful idiot? Can the 141 million be saved? Tune in to find out. Support us: patreon.com/trillbillyworkersparty

I was thinking the other day I was like, I was that, before you do the records it's set up, I just saw this come across my desk. See, the Pope's thinking about seriously excommunicating J.D. Vance. That was a joke. I think it's been reported by more perfect. No, I think it was in that parody website, the halfway. I'm not going to plug a parody website.

I'm pretty sure it was a parody. Oh, okay. I don't know. Look it up. Let's check it. Let's do some fact checking. Let's say, Pope excommunicating. I highly doubt that.

That would be a huge move, and it's just like... Well, it's also one of those things that would backfire, absolutely. I can't find any verification. Yeah, there's... As of April 2026, there are no credible reports or official actions from the Vatican confirming the... excommunication of JD Vance. Can you believe what,

but if that were to happen, what a big cancel culture chip that would give these fucking mutts? Yeah, when's the last time the Catholic Church excommunicated somebody? Who would have been? They, now,

they should have excommunicated a lot of people, but... The most prominent recent excommunication by the Vatican was that of Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano on July 5th, 2024, found guilty of schism by the dicastery for the doctrine of the faith. I wonder what he was doing.

For his public refusals to submit to the Pope and his rejection of the Second Vatican Council. June 2024, nuns in Spain were excommunicated after entering into schism and joining a non-Catholic sect. January 24 Friar Ramun Wiedetti excommunicated in Italy after referring to Pope

Francis as a usurper and anti-pop Um Anti-Pope I'm learning the last couple days is a big slur Mm-hmm Yeah dude

No they're not going to excommunicate J.D. Vance Oh Well it seems like schisms The number one thing. Tom, good things do not happen you have to internalize this message. Good things do not happen.

Or past, the good times are in the past. Uh-huh. So now what we have to look forward to is neutral time. Mm-hmm. No, they won't. They might, I don't know. I mean, J.D. Vance himself has not been particularly, what would be the word, antagonistic to the Catholic Church?

Well, he killed the last pope. The last pope was the So I don't know what you would call that If not antagonist I forgot he killed the last pope. The reason this pope's in Is because of him, arguing. Who was the most high-profile excommunication?

Like Al Capone, didn't Al Capone get excommunicator? Or is that one of those like John Dillinger's dick is in the Smithsonian type urban legends? Is that true? No, I don't think so. Why would that be a thing when you can easily just go check it? That's like saying like Martin Luther's butt holes in the loo for something.

Martin Luther's butt cheeks. They've got Martin Luther's butt cheeks in the loo. He got his butt cheeks in the Lou. And John Dillan's... And Dick in the Smithsonian. It's like, you know what? I went to the Smithsonian when I was like in middle school. It seems like they probably wouldn't have a John Dillinger's dick in there.

It's like a place middle school kids frequent, but who am I? Speaking of Martin Luther, that might have been the most high-profile excommunication in history. Martin Luther's excommunication. Yeah. So when these schisms happen, it typically, people spin off of that and start their own church. So that's how we get Lutheranism, I'm guessing. Well, I think that by the time he was excommunicated, he was well. on his way to

establishing something. Yeah. What was the deal with him with Thomas Muncer? Was Thomas Munser a Catholic? No. Well,

no. Still no. I guess he was, he's like in the Anabaptist tradition. Oh, okay. A lot of those Anabaptists were, let's see if I can remember this. This is like kind of...

Anabaptism kind of had more of a class-conscious strain to it. It was more popular with the peasants. Whereas stuff like Calvinism... Because a lot of this, like, you know, a lot of the developments of the Reformation had these class conflict tinges to them where people didn't want the Reformation to get out of hand, so they were just trying to limit the spread of Reformation ideas

among like basically elite and some of the Holy Roman electors, I think one of them was named Frederick something. Like he was a little sympathetic to what we would call like Protestantism, Reformed Protestantism, Catholic Catholic. I guess, yeah, I don't know. I mean, it's just like, and so anyways, like, Antibaptists were a little more on the peasant side of things

I mean, you've got like Anabaptist, Amish, Mennonite, and Hutterites. You ever heard of the Hutterites? Have we talked about the Hutterites? No, I don't know. Are they like sort of millinarian? They were... That's a millerites. That's a millerites, yeah.

Hutterites were this, like, German... Well, it's not... I don't know if it's German. It was, like, maybe Czech or something. Czechos, like Slavic or some shit. Like, Lod... Slav Protestantism. Yeah, I mean, I don't know, dude, this is all muddled.

I'm going to fuck all this up, because I'm not really an expert in any of this. Like, mostly these days, I'm just reading about the early church. But the way that the Reformation played out in Eastern Europe was, it's a little surprising. Like, for example, like, I think in the year 1700, it was not clear if Poland was going to be Catholic or Protestant. which is like sounds crazy to us now because we associate Poland with Catholicism. But like Hungary, like I think in parts of like Eastern Europe like Hungary and whatnot, like there were attempts to basically have like religious toleration.

Like anyways, all of which is to say that like I got way far afield there. But the Hutterites like were, I think. their guy's name was like Joseph Hutter or some shit like that. But anyways he like... Makes sense. Yeah, he... There's always a Joseph. I don't think he's actually Joseph. I don't remember now.

Maybe he was a Hutter. Man, I'm already messing out of all this. But he was like they, you know, they have the little communes and they have the holy kiss and they like have, they try to have like, quote unquote equality, no share,

all possessions are shared. And he was like given, I think he was allowed to live in Moravia, like his band of Mary pranksters. And they, in the 19th century, though, were given a land grant to live in South Dakota. So, in the whole set out. And that's how the University of South Dakota got started. That's exactly right.

Or maybe it was the 20th century. Jesus Christ, dude, you fucking cut the last five minutes. It's a complete, just fuck up of very, various facts and like I'm gonna get. This is why I don't want to do, this is why I'm like nervous to actually start something called Sunday service because like I'm so far out of my depth

with this stuff. It's like I can already hear people getting pissed off. Thankfully the bar is very low with American Protestantism. Is it? Yeah, because they botch all the facts too. That's true. I guess they don't know any of them

in a more historically accurate fashion. Uh-huh. Yeah, what are we talking about? We were talking about Martin Luther. I'm sorry, I got us off course. We're talking about excommunications. His butt cheeks in the Louvre. Butt cheeks in the Louvre and religious movements

that spin off of excommunications. I don't think that there's any religious movements spinning off of excommunications from the Catholic Church these days. That seems pretty... It's getting a lot of steam anyway. No, that's a pretty tight ship, man. There's, like, you can have these right-wingerers that, like, break away. and say they're not going to follow the Pope anymore,

but no one gives a fuck. Yeah. But yeah, let me tell you something, brother. That is not a novel idea you have there. Like the whole point of it is a monarchical episcopate. Like if you decide that the Pope is not the divine channel through which God speaks his messages, is if you decide that, like, you want to break away from that,

but you want to keep the theological doctrine of Catholicism, well, good fucking luck, there's no way to do that. Like, there is no, that's the Protestants, you have to give them this. They at least understood that, like, if you're breaking away from the Catholic Church, theology itself has to change. The Christology was basically the same, but a lot of the theology had to be changed. And so, so, but I don't know.

Do you support the idea of governing bodies and churches? Like, you know, maybe you're not crazy about the monarchical fashion of the papacy, but like, do you kind of like as an organization, not the Catholic Church specifically? I mean, it is a tight ship, but it is a ship that could stand to clean up a couple things, frankly. But do you like the idea of like a governing body of a church, I guess? well the um there have been a several different attempts to try something similar but different like

presbyterianism the Calvinists were really obsessed with church of governance and I don't know I act like that doesn't exist in Protestantism I was raised church of God let the Pentecostal version but like and it had its own like sort of office

in Tennessee somewhere and you know they sent out like you know what I mean there it wasn't like like we didn't pay patronage to like a pope that was supposed to be like God's man in Havana type concept but like there was like a council a president or what there's a president of the southern

Baptist convention and all that kind of stuff yes I don't know what I'm talking about like well the Protestants don't do that's like yeah they did in a way there's just not as much ritual and ceremony tied to that the thing is is that Protestantism like the Reformation opened up the Bible to all these branch interpretations. And so I'm actually not opposed to the Catholic Church in theory, like as a structure

and as a governing body. In fact, I think it's way more efficient and, let's say, like, streamlined, like, above board than Protestantism. Like, you can't have these fucking morons just running around making their own theology up just because they, like, read something. acts, you know what I mean? That is true. That is true, yeah.

You have to have to have some, you know, standards of operations. Quality control. Quality control, right. I mean, granted, then you get into heresy. Honestly, genuinely, the Orthodox are the ones that pretty much figured it out. Dude, the Orthodox have an amazing little innovation, which is that all their hymns are hate, they have like their little three minutes of hate,

their hymns are just like hater anthems to other like Aryans, not white supremacist arians, A-R-I-A-N, people that don't believe in the Trinity. They, like their hymns or anthem, hate anthems to other like breakaway

religious groups. And their songs are about how correct they are and how right they are. And I say what you want. about it, but they don't, they never had, they did have a few examples or a few attempts at like inquisition and

you know, burning people at the stakes, I think, but very, very rarely. It was very rare. So you just let everybody get their haterate out in the hymn singing. Provide a nice, like, avenue to get your worst impulses out

and then get back to business. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. That's why rap stayed on top for so long. You know, you get it out in song. You don't, you keep it out of the streets, you put it on the song, on songs, you know. Yeah, yeah. Well, I probably, I probably got that wrong too.

Someone's going to be in the comments like, no, in 1054, 11,000 people were burned at the stakes in Constantinople and you don't even know what you're fucking talking about. You know, my fucking God. I'm listening to this guy. My fucking God. Like, what are the difference between the different orthodoxes like Ethiopian, Greek, etc., etc.? Armenia.

It's mostly cultural. Is it like, but are they all like related, like it, like under like a common umbrella? Or is it like just the same style of worship, but just different cultural affectations? I think it's mostly cultural. I don't, I'm going to be honest with you. I really don't know. I should have said that. Man, I don't know.

I should have said that before the other stuff that I didn't know and just tried to talk about like I knew what I was talking about. But I actually Armenians is a lot different because they're one of the first like they were allowed to yeah they were allowed to like keep animal sacrifice and shit. They were like they were like yeah we won't rock the boat too much on this first iteration. Well yeah because like part of I don't know, it's something to do with like a

some kind of like fucking compact made with a Roman emperor. It's like we'll let you conquer our lands and spread Christianity here. but like, we get to keep some elements of paganism. Now, if they still do that to this day, I don't know. And obviously, like, the Christianity... I don't think that they've... It's more worth it on.

Yeah, dude, I don't fucking know what I'm talking about. Don't ask... Dude, don't ask me any questions. I don't fucking know. All I know is... But I said I brought all this up to talk about the shakedown. The Shagdown Yeah

Oh yeah The Shakedown The Pentagon Told the Vatican They better watch their ass Which is a hell of the thing To tell the VAT Oh man, I don't know

That's a hell of a gamble Brother It's a hell of a gamble A lot of Catholics in this world Well if I haven't completely discredited myself In the first 15 minutes I hope people at least

Will grant me this in making a vast generalization about the modern era. It does seem like if I could just make a, yeah, let me just make a vast generalization about the modern era that like I'm sure probably people will disagree with. But I feel like now in a way that it has never been, at least not since the 15th, 16th century, 17th century at the latest.

Like, religion and politics have never been more intertwined. Yeah. Which is ironic and bizarre because fewer people now are religious than they were in the 16th century. It's like, it's funny because it's like, yeah, it's like religion as a whole has waned in popularity, but it's still well overrepresented in the political discourse, which kind of tracks with like the MAGA stuff. like how can like such a small minority of voters wield such outsides the influence in the electorate? Well, you know, I was thinking about this. Earlier this week, now we'll get into it, but like just for now,

earlier this week, Trump said he was going to destroy the entire Iranian civilization. That didn't come to pass. There were sensibly like ceasefire negotiations. Again, we'll get into all this later. But like, I just as a thought experiment, what do you think would happen if, for example, right now in this very tense moment, Israel just went and assassinated, just fucking annihilated like every person trying to negotiate on the Iranian side for a ceasefire? Which seems like they're trying to do that. Which it seems like they're trying to do that. There would be no consequences, right?

Like, no one would blink an eye, right? And so that to me is a very interesting idea because I hopefully, hopefully I can like start to flesh out this idea a little bit more. But I am kind of getting to a point where I'm like not even interested anymore in materialist explanations of the Israel United States relationship. Because at this point, it's hard to make the case we get anything out of Israel at all. and now I'm starting to even wonder if we ever did. You know what I'm saying? If there was ever any upside, yeah, yeah. If there was ever any upside,

if it was always just like a one-way street. And so... A mass racket of blackmail extortion and murder for hire. Yeah, I mean, maybe, okay, I guess someone could bring me the receipts and be like, look, we made this million, millions of dollars off of, uh...

Soda stream. Yeah. Yeah, I guess you don't like a little thing called Starbucks, do you? There's a tech thing. I guess there's like it's advantage over potential oil resources. Don't they make pills there or something? They do make pharmaceuticals, yeah. And like wellness herbal stuff.

So check that shit, by the way. If you go to the, doctor, if you go to the Walmart and get like melatonin or whatever, some of that shit is made in fucking Israel. But like the material explanation to me is, increasingly thin. And I'm just looking back the last 50 years, I'm uncertain that we ever got

anything out of them. You know, I've been a little cagey about this because it's like one of those things where it's like you kind of have to like tread lightly. But I'm genuinely kind of at the point where like the only explanation to me that makes sense is a more ideological or cultural one.

Because like again, the materialist. one just isn't really like look at look at it now dude Israel is the mechanism the Israel is the vehicle by which America blows its brain out on the national stage it declines its own empire you know winds things down it's kind of it's kind of parasitical and when I say that I don't say that to take onus off of the United States for our crimes and stuff like that no but like a parasack can still infect a you know a fucking cracked vessel to already and make it even more cracked.

You know what I mean? And it feels like that, you know, there was that thing about, I think it was in the New York Times, they were talking about like the meeting that took place between Netanyahu and Trump and stuff before the ceasefire agreements and all that kind of stuff. It wasn't funny mention they had said is that Netanyahu was at the head of the table.

It was like, it's kind of a funny sort of, you know, symbolic kind of thing that maybe it's just an oversight but it seems like it's not I think that like without getting too deep into the weeds

or over-complicating things I think that in the last 30 years in times millinarianism let's call it Zionism it has two different strains and if you're already if you're listening to this

and being like I've heard these guys say this a million times before already. Like, trust me, I think I have a little bit different of an angle on this. Well, listen to it a million more fucking times. I think that, like,

I think Christian Zionism is a post-capitalist ideology. And what I mean by that is that, like, I think that these people do literally think that, of course, they do literally think it. Then again,

maybe people like John Hagey are opportunistic and they just want to make a buck. But I do take them at their word that they do literally think that the world will and should end relatively soon. And so I think it's easy to bracket. I think it's therefore makes sense to bracket that off as a post-capitalist ideology, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think I take Huckabee and Hagee and all these people at their word that like they really

are sort of true believers in the end times eschatology. I don't think that's mutually exclusive with like them. wanting to, you know, pad their pockets while they're here and, you know, sell a bunch of, like, shitty Christian books about how Iran's the great Satan mentioned in Daniel or whatever. But I do definitely think that they are religious people. I don't think it's like a put on. Like, the same thing with Ted Cruz. I think both things can be true.

I think he can be, like, a crook and, you know, obviously a scumbag. But, like, I think he also is, like, a Christian nationalist, like dominionist. you know, thing. And the reason I think that's because that stuff is hard to leave you, dude. Like, you know, I believe how I believe now. But, like, it's hard sometimes to shed, like, like, fucking rural Pentecostal baggage, you know what I mean? There's, like, part of it that's still in you because it's how you were sort of, like,

formulated, you know? Yeah. Yeah, I think... Even if you know better. For me, the best explanation... Okay, because, like, I've been thinking about this this week. Like, how do you explain the fact? This was, I don't know, I think future historians,

if there's, is a future society left, will really be scratching their heads over this. How did we, within the span of 70 years, managed to collapse the distance between 2025 and AD and 1,500 BC? Like, genuinely, how do you explain the fact that a modern state in the 21st century is operational, on an ideology that says it was granted land to them 33,500 years ago. That is an extremely bizarre thing.

In a book that doesn't really differ much from the Greek myths in terms of like the fanciful claims it makes. Yeah, yeah. Which is kind of wild. How do you make, I mean, I know that like it's been said before that like the early, the early, um, The founders of Israel were secular, right? Like, they were not religious fanatics and religious freaks. But that still doesn't, I think both things can be true. You don't have to be a religious fanatic and a freak to believe the ideological notion

that, like, this land was given 3,000-something years ago to you. because, you know, I don't know. It's like when you're getting to like domination and exploitation of labor and subjugation of people, like it doesn't fully matter like whether you believe in it or not. It's like the ideological form that it takes is kind of like whatever is more efficient to extracting that surplus. Well, it's like it's already pretty baked in

because you already have millions of people that are subscribing to these things. You know what I mean? So it's like an easier sell than if you were just trying to, you know, when we had a viny on the other day, it's like we were talking about like if Israel would have been, which I know Israel was came into play before the Holocaust, but if it came, was built after the Holocaust in like the Ryan Valley is sort of a reparations thing with Germany or something like that, would the character of Zionism be different today?

Like the same thing if they would have taken land in Mozambique or Uganda or any of these other places. And it feels like it probably would because it feels like that biblical resonance of that region makes people like that we grew up with like put some credence into it rather than like. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? It's like it feels like prophecy fulfilled and people have a hard time getting off. I have a hard time getting off that. In fact, they're afraid that their eternal destination depends on whether or not they support Israel,

even the modern state of it, you know. who's doing all these terrible things. The existence of the modern state of Israel is how they prove God exists. Does it make sense? This is why I've been wondering lately. And I've kind of been trying to, like, I've been toying around with the idea

of writing something about this because I'm genuinely curious. But like I ask you, Tom Sexton and the audience here, what happens to American Christianity after Zionism? Like, it's an interesting thought experiment. Like, what is it? what is it what form does it take because for the last 70 years it has been in this like acceleration like particle like particle accelerator you know what I mean like this sort of chamber

that only moves in one direction and as a material force that that's not nothing that doesn't just like I think Marx has put too much I mean there is obviously a class conflict character to this like there is to everything. But like there are also various material forces that like are, they, they straddle various classes, like they have different like class content. They have different like teleological purposes or whatever.

And so what I'm saying here is like that has a specific, you know, substance and character and impact on the society around it. And so if you, You have, I don't know how many people are Protestants in America now. How many Protestants are there in America now? Let's go. Let's do a little back of the napkin.

Yeah, a little back of them. Hey, interns, can we get a number crunch over here? Protestants in America number. Approximately 40 to 49% of U.S. adults identify as Protestant, making it the largest religious group. $141 million conservatively. 141 million conservatively. Okay?

Maybe upwards of 160 million. Dude, I'm comfortable saying that most of those 141 million are, I don't know. Then again, you look at the numbers on Israel and how, like, people are genuinely, or generally speaking, like, pretty anti-Israel these days. Yeah. Well, there's plenty of strays of Protestantism that just, like, view Jews as an enemy, too. Like, you know, it's not all like fetishization. There is like just straight up. Like which one?

Like elements to it too. I mean, like, if you're talking about Billy Graham, you know, like his hot mic moments about like how they all run the banks and all this stuff. But they're pretty nice to me because I'm such a friend to Israel. But Billy Graham, when was Billy Graham born? Probably in the 30s, 20s. I would say that any Protestant born before 1948, the creation of Israel, is probably like a little genuinely anti-Semitic. Whereas like...

Like in the old school way, you know. I don't think John Hagee is anti-Semitic. Like I really don't think so. Like I think that he fetishizes Jewish people. You can call him phylo-Semitic, right? Like, I don't... I think that if you look at the history of anti-Semitism in the church, I don't know, dude, this is like really...

This is a really complicated issue, and it's like one that I couldn't even begin to, like, unpack here with my feeble brain and lack of resources. But like, let's take the long arc of this. You have Judaism. Okay. It makes a certain set of claims about the world. One of which is like the Eschaton, right?

That like the end of the world is coming soon. The covenant with God between God's people and the Jewish people has been complicated many times. The Jews themselves broke it. This is just ultimate. I'm just going through the Old Testament, right? Like, they broke it several times, and so God removed his covenant. They were exiled. They came back.

There was Greek, Hellenization of Israel. There was Romanization of Israel. And then you've got the Christian movement. Christian movement grows out of Israel, out of the Jewish movement, making a certain set of claims, one of which is that, like, Jesus is the Messiah. There is a new covenant. You have this like supersessionism, the parting of the ways, Paul making certain claims about like, you know,

you don't have to follow Jewish law anymore. Like the covenant between God is not one of law, but one of faith. And then, let's say you have a period of like 500, 600 years where like the church actually grows into this institutionalized form. And then due to a number of reasons, mostly probably various political economic contradictions in Europe, like the rise of feudalism, you get the rise of anti-Semitism, which is in, and I'm saying, like, this is a pre-capitalist racial ideology inherent to Europe that is, that basically is born out

of several different things, landholding patterns in Europe, which, you know, you would call feudalism, um, a political economy, urban, um, uh, planning, all this other stuff, right? Like, it's, it is all wrapped up in the specific. religious political economy of Europe at the time. So you get the birth of anti-Semitism out of Christianity, right? So Christianity, anti-Semitism comes out of that. Trace the, what, fucking one, basically like 1,000 years of organized anti-Semitism. Like every time some horrible atrocity happens.

like there was a horrible earthquake in Lisbon in the 1500s that all the priests gathered in town and blamed the Jews that it was like... They were controlling the weather. They were controlling the weather. And so then that ends in the Holocaust, right? That 1,000-year phase basically ends in the Holocaust of what you've got the...

That cycle, yeah. The disintegration of feudalism, the rise of the bourgeoisie, the rise of the motive production known as capitalism, that preserves this racial ideology and informs me. many others as well, like, you know, black racism and racism against racial ideologies against the natives in North America and South America.

And, but that phase ends with the Holocaust. What is born out of it is this Jewish supremacist state that then, like, comes with its own, like, you know, claims to various land, claims, you know, uses religious claims to the land, uses some political economic claims to the land, uses racial ideological claims to the land. It uses some age-old tropes as a, like, a selling point to the Palestinian government at the time. Right, right.

And so... Bill Hurtz's letters to the mayor of Jerusalem at the time said that, you know, you could really benefit from Jewish business acumen. Yeah. You could really benefit from, like, you know, our superior and... intelligence in like science and math and so yeah which you know and you know i probably should have stated this up front this is probably not news to anybody who's been around like anti-zionism movements for a long enough time but like the ancient israeli claim on the land of israel like you could

take it from 80 different angles and it doesn't quite hold together yeah well and also too it's important to note, I feel like, as far as like during the Roman occupation in the time of the Bible, Palestine at that time was still called Palestine. It was split up into like, there was Jewish Palestine and then there was other like iterations. It's almost like, I don't know if it has to do with the Hellenization of like Judaism at the time or whatever. But it's almost kind of like like kind of like copied the city state kind of thing. Like you had neighborhoods, I guess, that would have been like like Jesus from the West Bank for example. that would have been part of what they called Jewish Palestine at the time. And like Israel was more of a sort of a monarchical, like sort of land administrator, like sort of, that also has to check in with the Romans. You know, that's like that was the kind of sort of, it wasn't necessarily even in biblical times, like colloquially, like is the state of Israel. No, like if you were to go back in time and try to explain the modern concept of them,

not only would it not make much sense to anybody in Israel, it wouldn't make much sense to anybody in general back then because the nation state as a institutional form didn't even write. Yeah, we're talking about 15, 1,600s at that point. Yeah, you're using modern status like standards to retroactively apply it to and that just was not how things were there. But the Christian case, or I don't know, the city of Jerusalem itself,

a lot of fucking Christian Zionists take various verses from Genesis, like when God promises Abraham like this land and all this, and then they talk about his equal and Daniel and all this. But there are verses, there are specifically some verses in the Old Testament,

and I'm not going to be able to find him. I'm just taking this from this really great book if you're still trying to look at this from a Christian point of view. Gary M. Burgess, whose land, whose promise, what Christians are not being told

about Israel and the Palestinians. He talks about it in like, Deuteronomy, when Joshua comes to Jerusalem, there are not Jews living in Jerusalem. That is not, like, they are not native to that city. There was,

the people that lived there were called the Jabu sites. And, and so, like, that in and of itself, like basically Israel claiming Jerusalem as like this ancient capital of of Judaism. Like that is not historically accurate. It's not biblically accurate. Like it's not in any way like it is ideology, right?

It is just stories we essentially tell ourselves. And I think where I, you know, I recommend everybody read that book. Again, if you're a Christian, if you're not, then it doesn't. I'm not a Christian either really but like I think where I'm going with this is I laid out that entire timeline right like you get the you get the Holocaust like ending the specific historical phase

and I think that like there had been the entire story of Christianity is also in a way the story of Judaism because the theological doctrine of Christianity rests on a specific set of claims that are in discourse with Judaism. And so if you have the parting of the ways and that over time eventually results in this racial animosity

between each other that then results in a genocide of one group by another group, which I don't know, the Nazis weren't necessarily Christian, but they also weren't not Christian. But you could consider them in a historical sense, like the embodiment of a certain kind of European Christian ideology. in the world of post-World War II, you know, global capital in which dwindling resources, you know, have to be, like, secured if you want profit rates to continue going up and all this. Like, you can see how, like, an imperial, what starts out as an imperial relationship between the United States and Israel, over time,

as the imperial elements and reasons for it start to erode, or they become more cynical or they become less realistic, and they just don't really reflect the current situation anymore, that imperial relationship starts to be replaced by the only thing available, which is the age-old religious sort of relationship. I don't know how else to put it, right? like it's more religious in the sense that it's like two groups of people. What makes this even more complicated and bizarre, though,

is that we're not talking, when we say religious, we're not talking about the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church has pretty much had a very, almost sort of aloof relationship with Israel, right? Like it's very, we wouldn't call it good necessarily. We're talking specifically about European and American, You know, I.E. Western Protestantism, really. Yeah.

Like, that's really the groups that have an allegiance to it. So what I'm outlining here is that, like, if you're trying to get at, like, the bare bones of what this relationship is, it started out, like I said, like a sort of strictly material imperialist one, that over time, as the people that implemented that started to die away, as the global situation started to change, you know, so on and so on, as the Cold War ends, as the American bourgeoisie starts to lose its sort of sense of self, like it starts to lose a kind of, you know, not only a sense of self, but a belief in capitalism as a mode of production that could like bring both fulfillment to themselves and the world and keep the world going in a progressive sense.

as all those things die away, they resort to, they fall back on, like I said, the only ideological form left that would give it any kind of impetus or any kind of, like, juice,

and that is Christian Zionism. Yeah. Because I don't think that, like, when we talk about Christian Zionism in 2025, it's not really the same thing. It's definitely not the same thing

as it was in the 19th century. Because we're talking about at this point, like a kind of militarized imperial, imperial cult. The Romans had imperial cults, right? Christian Zionism is kind of an imperial cult. Kind of a vestigial organ of that time in a way. And there's like, you know,

there's all the material forces that keep us sort of bound to that model. But like there's also like spiritual eschatological ones that have really and truly not been around long enough. And I speak on this as like a Pentecostal, obviously, who's like my denomination sprung. like one book in the Bible, book of Acts. And really cherry picked even further to just the day of Pentecost. And, you know, like where the Bible talks about like a mighty rushing wing came in

and people were speaking in tongues, so on and so forth. Which is supposed to be like an inverted parallel to the Tower of Babel, by the way. It was just what you think about it. Yeah. It's kind of interesting. Yeah. And then I guess in the axe it was like, Paul and Silas were in jail, right? Like they were locked up.

and then basically the Holy Spirit did a rescue mission. Yeah, it was heat. The Holy Spirit did heat. Yeah. So, yeah, did DA. So basically the thing I think that keeps us like in this sort of eternal loop and not in like again, like from a materialist perspective, but from a religious perspective because you have so many adherence to this is the scant

mentions in Thessalonians gesturing toward a great calling up, like the dead and Christ will rise first and all this stuff, like the rapture is what we're talking about. And the, you know, calling back to looking for a Messiah, like this idea that somebody is going to split the clouds wide open and, and like sort of bring everybody up is the kind of the reason like none of this can go away. You know what I mean? Because you can always, okay, so it didn't happen this time. We just move the goalposts and like but the messiah is still coming one day you know what i mean so it's sort of like is convenient in the sense that it keeps you keeps people in this sort of loop of constantly looking upward and like the rapture and all this kind of stuff that's tied to christian

zionism and all these sort of eschatological and prophetic things that they feel like they need to happen is all rooted in that like looking up and seeing christ split the clouds and return one day and it's like a hard thing to sort of shake loose from. And plus, it's a fairly young idea, too. I mean, like the idea of the rapture. The rapture is not actually in the Bible. The rapture may be gestures at something like that in Thessalonians and Revelation, but there's no like the word, you're not going to find the word rapture in the Bible.

Just like you're not going to find the Great War in Heaven in the Bible. You know what I mean? Like there's a lot of myths that have spun off of inferences in the scripture that, like, if you ask church people, they would swear up and down, it's in there, but it's not, you know. Yeah, it's because there is mention to the kingdom of heaven, the kingdom of heaven on earth, the kingdom of God. This is all like, I think what it is, dude, is like, I think the concept of Israel has fried Christians' brains for at least a thousand years. Yeah. Right?

Like, I think that the, like, even Martin Luther, like, they played with the idea not as a literal place in Palestine, even though that was also the case. But, like, I think Zvigli, the Swiss, you know, reformer who was kind of, I mean, he definitely, he had a very contingentous relationship with Luther. But, like, he characterized the city government in, what was that, Zurich, as. basically being Israel. Yeah. Like this is like they, they have had this idea of like the kingdom of God on earth. Going back a long time now, you have to kill the Israel in your mind, brother. And there's a million little Israel's too.

Yeah. You know, like I saw that thing last week. It's like Israel's carving out some space in Argentina. They're doing this. They're doing like all these different places trying to create, I guess, these sort of Soviets or whatever. But like that, that idea is not new and it's been around for a while. and there's like many of them. I think the thing is, is like,

when we talk about, like, setting up this dichotomy between, like, materialism and religion, or, like, both, like, as analytical terms, but also, like, as, like, instantiations on Earth. I don't know how else to put it. That's not... There really isn't a difference between the two.

That is a modern concept. If you were to go back 500,000, years, 1,000 years, 1,500 years, 2,000 years, there is no difference between, like, religion and politics. Yeah. Like, like, I don't know, dude, it's strange. Like, yeah, that's why you can't pun on this stuff. This is why, yeah, exactly, this is what I'm saying.

Like, when Libs get pissed off about the separation of church and state, I want to tell them, like, dude, it was already broken down of long time ago. It just wasn't in a way you could see. It had happened in the churches first, actually. The fact that so many churches were sending money to Israel that we had become so indoctrinated to Christian Zionism that we didn't even know different. The fact that, like, I didn't even know Israel was a modern state

created in the 1940s until I was, like, 20 years old. Like, it just goes to show you. I've been kicking ass since the 4th century BC. That was my conception of it. And then, like, you know, imagine my surprise when I find out later, like, you hear stuff from, like, Norm Finkelstein and people like that that, like, you know, like, actually Israel didn't even play a big role in Jewish American life until fairly recently. Yeah. Yeah, it was considered like when he was a kid as like a sort of a backwater, like, you know, like, it wasn't like any. Yeah.

I think after the 67 war is generally, I think it's generally when most people agree that, like, Americans, both Christians, and Jewish kind of like set up like Leo in once upon a time in Hollywood you know? Yeah yeah yeah yeah. Like I think that like what I'm saying here is that like religion

is materialist like at least in its political form. Now like there are there is the theology part of religion. There's like the metaphysics. That's not materialist. But like there is a strain of it that like has certain claims

about humanity and that is where it becomes an issue for everyone right like it's not necessarily like materially relevant like how you view christ whether he was more man whether he was more god like what his mission was necessarily but christ was making certain pronouncements about humanity and about the development of history specifically like i said going back all the way to what we were taking the second ago, this was in dialogue with like various Jewish conceptions of history, one of which was that we were approaching the Eschaton, we were approaching the end of the world. And I guess what I'm trying to say here is that like, if you go back and read a lot of

early Christian writings and a lot of them are obsessed with this dichotomy between Jewish and Gentile, because that is kind of what makes Christianity Christian, is the mission to the Gentiles. It's very strange to me that we are once again living in a situation where that word has arisen. Gentile? Genile? Where are people using that word in 2025 or 2026?

Well, it's because, like, you know, there is a Jewish supremacist state that is, like, making various claims to humanity, human nature, you know, land political economy. And so you've got this, like, weird counter response to it where people are. like, I'm goy, I'm Gentile and all this. It's like... Dude, it's so... Oh my God, dude, it's the worst dude we could possibly be sitting in right now.

That is not a religious... That is not an ethnic grouping, okay? Like, you can almost see how like the cynical, dead end racist form of Jewish Zionism has created its negative. This ethnic grouping called Gentile.

One of the things about early Christianity that made it so widespread and revolutionary was it had no claims on specific ethnicities, right? Like, you know, it was available to anyone and everyone. And Gentile was just a word that meant, like, not Jewish. And in fact, there are even references of, like, I think the word Goy itself just means nation. All of this is how do we get reconciled to God? Right?

Like, that's like, I guess, the central point of this. And the idea of Gentile is like a non-Jewish person that could essentially become part of the family of God. You know what that's what that stems from. Yeah. So like basically what I'm kind of getting at here is that like, it's an ecumenical term really in a way. Right.

Well, wait, used by who though, like in what context? Well, I mean like back, I think back then. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure. Back then, yeah. I was going to say like, not now. Not now. Not now.

no no no neither jew nor greek neither you know what i mean like there was like this idea of like well in christ ministry anyway of like the the sort of melding of the two you know yeah i think that's a good point the record the relationship with god because it genuinely i just get the sense listening to american protestants that like they feel that the only way back to god to form an actual relationship and covenant with him is through the political dead end nihilist like you know dead-eyed genocidal project of israel does that make sense like i think that like they think that they um whether through historical baggage and guilt that resulted in the holocaust or like not really caring that much about the holocaust or or anti-semitism in the first place and um you know not really

having a very thorough conception of history and political economy in the first place, like class conflict, any of this, like they've kind of consigned themselves to this. But like, I don't, I don't think it's, I think it's, let's just put it this way. I think the jury is still out on whether the United States government itself takes orders from Israel on how to operate imperially. I don't think that's the case in most of the world. I do think it might be the case in certain parts of the world. world like the Middle East right like I don't think the United States checks with Israel and what it wants

to fucking do in South America but I think it yeah I don't think we gave Netanyahu a buzz and say can we go get Maduro you know no for sure but I do think like there is a argument to be made that like at this point in time Israel is now calling the shots on certain regions of operation certain theaters of operative of military operation the jury is still out on that but when we talk about religious communities, I do not think it's a stretch of the imagination to say that American Protestants have essentially consigned all of their theological doctrine, their faith, metaphysics, and all of this to the project of Zionism. You know what they've done?

You know what I'm saying? Like, they filtered it through there. They've done the same thing that white American lives did with Black Girl Magic. You know what I mean? They find a group to fetishize. and like sort of, you know, project their sort of hopes for redemption on because they themselves can't, like, self-determine or like... No, they can't articulate.

No, they cannot articulate their own... What would be the word? Soteriology, isn't that the word? Doctrine of faith? They don't understand their relationship to God at this point. Capitalism has severed their relationship from God. So all that's left is, well... In fact, I would...

argue that you can't be reconciled to God through a capitalist lens. I mean, Jesus didn't say it's easier for a rich man to, or it's harder for a rich man, or it's easier for a camel to go through that eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter into heaven. He didn't say that for no reason. And I don't think you even said it as a demonization of money. He just said like, you, you, you accumulate at your own peril as what he was, you know. Yeah. Say it. I think that he's, um, I, I, I, I, kind of tend to think that personally, say what you want about the Jesus movement, the ministry, I think that like a big part of it, though, was trying to delineate what occurs on Earth and what occurs outside of history and time, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, I think that, like, that is an interesting, Marx also did something similar, right? Like, various thinkers have tried to establish this. Like, what occurs on the earthly material plane and what? occurs outside of it. And I think that Jesus was just trying to flesh out, like, what different things fell into, right? Like, what categories these different things fell into?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like the parable of the vineyards, right? Like, the guys that, like, don't work and are mad about the, the guys that work and are mad about the guys that don't work. Sounds like Easter Kentucky. Yeah, and Jesus is like, it doesn't matter. like who it's a it's a it's all a vineyard we all take part of the fruit yeah we all take part in the fruit I don't know I'm just kidding but regardless what um I think that what I'm trying to

operate here or what I'm trying to articulate here is that like American Christians okay so we pointed to that number earlier conservatively there are 141 million Protestants in America let's just say this is totally half the country it's crazy that is crazy um now who knows what that number indicates that you know that could indicate that could also include a lot of lapsed protestants right there are a lot of people that are culturally protest i was just raised baptist so i'm including that even if i don't go to church every sunday or whatever yeah exactly um but i what's a number you're comfortable saying with how many of those are Zionists Christian Zionists right like 25 million does that seem like a lot 50 million yeah i was

gonna say way higher. Really? Like 100 million? I'm gonna say at least six figures, at least nine figures. Okay. I think that. Is that 100?

We can do, even if it's, even if it's, your conservative estimate is correct, that's still crazy. But like, I think that most mainstream Protestants

are essentially Christian Zionists. I don't know, like, whether they believe it or whether they don't believe it, but like, let's just say that, like, you and I growing up,

were functionally Christian Zionists without knowing it. Without knowing. Yeah, we're indoctrined into that. We grew up with these beliefs that, like, if Israel doesn't exist, Jewish people can't be safe and if Jewish people can't be safe.

And furthermore, if Israel doesn't exist, our God doesn't exist. Right, right. That is like, that's a load-bearing structure is what I'm saying at this point. A load-bearing structure of American Protestantism

is that if Israel does not exist, our God is not real. Right, right. And that's a, that, and I'm saying, like, Okay, so like let's just say

I'm using the conservative estimate of 50 million You could even be more conservative And say 25 million Even if it's 25 million That's a lot of fucking people So I'm just saying extrapolate that outwards At least 25 million people in America And again, this is not a scientific

There's nothing about this There's nothing about this scientific But I'm just using the Greek deductive method methodology. Let's just say 25 million people in America have lost their faith in the Christian God through the last, let's say, 50, 60 years of capitalist homogenization, cultural annihilation, metaphysical annihilation. Flatening of life. Flattening of life. And have replaced it with a formula of faith that only makes sense in a specific. specifically religious or I'm sorry political configuration of the planet earth okay yeah yeah and so

whether you believe in the imperial arguments of however whatever Israel's relationship is to the united states whether you think it's more heavy on united states side israel side or whatever in various contexts and regions around the world i'm comfortable saying that at least 25 million Americans probably operate on the same dynamic, at least in a religious sense, that they are willing to make Israel their Pope, basically. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that is a good point. That is a good point. Like Israel, like Netanyahu is kind of the de facto Christian Pope and like a Protestant

Christian Pope in a sense. Yeah, and he's the Antichrist. Which is problematic because he also happens to be among the most evil men that ever lived. Maybe the most. So, yeah. Because, like, we live in a time of Antichrist. Like, I mean, and I don't believe the world is in it. I am such a, in fact, I have gone through the looking glass in the last week.

I don't think the world can ever end. Genuinely, like, something to me about Trump saying, I'm going to wipe out a whole civilization. In the entire fucking West, the entire world set with bated breath on the edges of our seat as we were like, are we about to enter a nuclear war? I told you at the time, it felt very much like a Hal Lindsay, like, doomsay, like, thing. Propheasing. Yeah, like, we're prophesying the end of the world. Obviously, they never come to pass and the goalposts move to the next time he has a his-a-fit.

Exactly. A mood swing or a his-y-fit. Like, we'll always keep deferring the goalposts. Like, there is no nuclear end. There's no nuclear holocaust coming. There's no. And the sick thing is, dude, is it feels like that when he made that pronouncement, which, you know, like, didn't end up coming to pass,

but then, like, now you see, like, Israel is, you know, breach the, imagine that Israel breaching a ceasefire in short order after it's been declared. But it feels as if, though, that people wanted, like, we're, like, yeah, nuclear holocaust is bad, but, like, people need something to happen. Which is part and parcel of the Jesus movement like we talked on the Sunday service last week.

They needed something to happen. Something had to give here. This is not tenable to stay under this Roman occupation. Well, but also that goes, that is true for several different groups as well. I genuinely think this is partially why Paula White and these people tell Trump he is a God, that he is basically Jesus Christ on earth. Like, we talked about it in that episode with Jasper Nathaniel last week, but like during the Easter lunch at the White House, Trump comparing himself,

to Jesus riding into Jerusalem on a donkey or Paula White saying that like he is essentially like a god put on earth like I think in their minds we have we are no longer in the Hal Lindsay predicting doomsday

world right like they think they genuinely think they found their vessel that they can inaugurate like the the Eschaton through right like this is they think that they've, and I'm not just saying, like, we've talked about, like, he's their red heifer, dog,

he's their orange heifer. He is the orange heifer, dude. Dude, he is. Like, they don't have to breed the red heifer now. Like, they have the orange heifer with Trump. I think almost literally, I think they're almost trying to play that out. Like, I'm not trying to just say this is a matter of conspiracy. But, like, there's just so many things that don't make sense about, like, his assassination.

attempt and how that parallels like the beast being struck in the head and laying in the street for and then like rising again, you know, he rose with his little bandage on his ear for the RNC and all that kind of stuff and how he was received. It's almost like they've tried to

retcon Trump's trajectory whether he knows it or not and make it fit biblical prophecy or something. Yeah, that is true. They have. That's the sense I get. Like I genuinely feel like you have a melding of politics and religion in a way that I've,

I think is new in, let's just say post-19th century Western capitalism. Like, honestly, like, I encourage more people to engage with it this way because, you know, I don't, I'm not doing, I'm not trying to be dumer when I say this, and I'm not trying to be, like, defeatist when I say this. but like in a world where we have abandoned rationalism

empiricism, enlightenment, any of the things that the founding fathers love so much that they like fucking deism or whatever right like their skepticism

about like the metaphysical world and about organized religion and about the Bible and all this like you know they created a world that over time became this like free thinking like liberal multicultural world

but in a world that has abandoned in those notions and has reembraced what we would call, I don't know what you would call it. Like, I hate to call it. I don't want to call it like religious claims to like history and like historical development. But I don't know how else to like put it. Like almost like superstitious in a world that's like reembrace superstition and ethno-nationalism. I think that it makes perfect sense that you're seeing what you're seeing. now with regards to Israel in the United States. And the reason I encourage more people do engage with it on these terms is because to me,

the material relationship just kind of leads you to a point where you're just like banging your head against the wall, right? Because it's like there's hard, it's hard to like actually. Marks failed to consider the millennial reign. You know, actually in a letter. towards the end of his life, Engels wrote, I can't remember someone. Engels get saved? No, no, he didn't get saved.

He's like, I'm going to quit drawing these busty women I've been drawing. Like in the 1890s, he like wrote a letter that was like, perhaps Marx and I put it a little too much emphasis on the economic aspect. Like, of course, there are religious factors, you know, there are like religious, ideological factors and stuff that, like... Going back a long time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, like, I don't think that negates what they said at all.

I think it actually, like, bolsters it because we're talking about materialism here, and ideology is materialism. Like, it is just, like, anyways, all of which is to say that, like, if you sit in the, if you try to, like, look at it from, like, a materialist standpoint, like, it kind of, like, frustrate you because it's like, what do you fucking do? Like, what are we going to, like, what are we going to do to, like, I mean, I guess you could organize people to, you. cut off arms, you know, weapons productions that then get shipped, you know, organized, like,

people at, like, the, the docs and whatnot, like, the logistics that, like, ship the weapons to Israel. But that's not really had much of an impact yet, and I know people are trying on that front. There's been both direct action and union organizing, but, like, I kind of wonder if it might also be fruitful or, or we might consider. front that needs to be opened, essentially. Maybe we need to start, I don't know, I mean, maybe we need to start, like, provoking and engaging with Christians. Like, I'm saying, like, American Protestants anyways, like, in their houses of worship.

The $141 million we've identified. Yeah. In their houses of worship, in their, you know, in their Sunday schools, like, in living rooms or whatnot. I don't know. I'm just saying that, like, have Christians given any thought? as to what comes after Zionism? I mean...

Yeah, they like to go door to door. Like, they're proselytizers by nature. Surely they can take a little dose of their own medicine. Yeah, I mean, in their minds, there isn't anything after Zionism because in their minds the whole world ends and we make heaven crowded, as Erica Kirk likes to say. But, like, that's just not the real world.

Like, we don't... That's not going to happen. Like, Zionism will end. Like, these unbelievable... bastards. Like they are so I'm, once again I'm just astonished

the degree to which no one will honestly accept what they are which is just like endless expansionist genocidal monsters. Like this will not end. There will be no ceasefire.

There will be no end to this until Israel's and terminated. And the people aiding and abating them are all the topas and the prostit churches. out of America. Yeah, exactly.

I mean, I mean, so I don't, people, the markets like freak out and like, oh, there will be an end to this. Like Trump,

you know, he's going to finally put Israel in its place. No, dude. Look what, they launched one of the largest attacks so far on Lebanon yesterday. On Lebanon, hundreds of people,

maybe thousands of people. Dude, just, this is who, this is what the nation of Israel is. This isn't even a claim on what it was. or what it could be

or 3,000 years ago or the Jewish people or anything. As a nation, as an ethno-s supremacist nation, this is what it is, and it will continue expanding or the entire thing will collapse in on itself

and you'll have mass mayhem and violence and chaos. That will happen eventually. I don't know if people realize that. Granted, a lot more people are going to die and a lot more land will be contested and fought over, but it cannot

nothing expands forever. Everything comes to an end. I'm just saying, like, Alexander the Great just sat and cried when he was in his 30s because there was no more lands to conquer.

Exactly. Eventually there's no more lands to conquer. Eventually there's no more lands to conquer, man. And there will be an end to Israel one day. I don't know what set of circumstances. and scenarios like have to occur first. I don't know if like the world has to like recommit itself to enlightened liberalism and say like, you know, we cannot have like religious, uh, desperate, you know, like religious fanatics, you know, running ethno-s supremacist states.

I don't know. I mean, um, it's the socialism or barbarism thing. Yes. Um, but like, the barbarism is Zionism. right it's like I know like capitalism is our enemy but like the most distinct like perverted form of it is Zionism

and I don't know man it's just I don't know it's just kind of like routinely astonishing to me like the degree to which like American Christian Zionists don't really get provoked or antagonized because say I'll okay I'll say this

and Jasper Nathaniel made this point and I think it's true there are a bunch of anti-Zionist Jewish groups. You know how many anti-Zionist Christian groups there are? Not very many. Not very many. There's one called evangelicals for like Middle Eastern understanding or something, but

I think even they, like I read about it in this book. But even then, they're on the whaling wall and stuff. Probably. But like if you just search in Google like Christians against Zionism, like I don't, I would have, I thought like, oh, surely that exists, right? Like there's probably a group called Christians against Zionism. Dude, it is slim pickings. No.

That is not really a thing. So, as a result, I see a void, both analytically and sort of materially. Like, I think that it might be one way that people could, like, engage with it, or at least start to see it that way. But maybe, I don't know, hopefully I haven't muddy the waters in any way. No, I think that's an important point, man. I think, you know, the idea of the synagogue of Satan mentioned in Revelation, you know, has been used as kind of anti-Semitic in orientation and all this stuff, and probably rightfully so, you know, in almost all cases.

But I think the real synagogue of Satan is that 141 million in America. There's sort of the priesthood that gives legitimacy to this monster in the United States military is sort of the paramilitary arm of that synagogue yeah like what happened once again like this is just my kind of thought experiment like if Zionism

let's say this war continues on and you know who the fuck knows it starts to engulf the entire world Israel goes the way of Nazi Germany what becomes of that 141 million like I'm I'm

I'm genuinely asking. Do you have another reformation? Do American Protestants? Well, what happens to you? Do you think God's dead now? Like what happens? Yeah, right. The existence of the modern state of Israel

is which you used to prove that God exists and has always existed. Well, they're adding like some animatronics in northern Kentucky on the ark encounter. However you slice it, it's a very flimsy sort of, you know. And it's also anti-scriptural because the Bible tells us, of course, what? God's a spirit and he must be worshipped.

They must be worshipped. what, in spirit and in truth, not through the, you can't prove it. You can't prove it. One thing I do love about the scriptural definition of faith, it's like a beautiful definitions. Faith is the substance of things hoped for, but the evidence of things you can't see. Yeah. You know, like trying to make the argument that it's real because this genocidal state exists

or because this crazy Australian bastards made the ark encounter is like, it's like it runs counter to the spirit of God anyway, you know. That's true, and it speaks to, like, a very deep insecurity. I'm serious. Like, these people are paper thin. That they are that insecure in their faith. Yeah. That they have to have a piece of evidence for it in the form of this, like I said,

this dead-eyed psycho state, terror state in Palestine. I do like how, that is kind of like a nice, elastic word, but I guess Paul, I don't know if Paul would have written that, but if he was, he was serving. It's like the substance of things hope for. So it's like this concrete thing and this like immaterial definition for a concrete thing. The evidence another concrete thing. Things not seen another immaterial thing.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know. Yeah, that that is the... It's like you have to be a little crazy to believe it is what it means. You know what I mean? Like that's part of the beauty of it too, you know? Yeah, yeah. So I don't know.

I think that's an interesting, like I said, it's kind of an interesting challenge. Like, I think that these people are that, like, I think that it speaks to their interpersonal crisis of faith, but, like, sociologically, I don't think that they're resting upon a whole lot there. And I know a lot of people are leaving the church. I know that, like, you know, religion itself and church attendance is in decline compared to 50, 60 years ago. Which is crazy.

They're still holding that basically half the country. And that's just for the Protestants. That is just for the Protestants, right? Yeah, it's like nothing, Catholics and everybody else. Yeah. But, like, if Israel were to go away, then I don't think the Catholic Church would sweat that one, right? Like, I think that, like, they've not rested a lot of their tenets of faith. But, like, this is something that I've been thinking about a lot lately, which is that, like,

you and I grew up in different denominations, and there were different doctrines. Like, we were allowed music and dancing, but we weren't allowed the more frenzied forms of madness, like laying of hands, speaking of tongues, possession either through the Holy Ghost or demons. I've seen crazy things, dude. Yeah. Yeah, you've got to get the Holy Ghost, dog. I've seen demons cast out of people. Yeah.

Now, you know, how you chalk that up, what do you attribute that to, mental illness or whatever, but I have seen people like what we would call having an unclean spirit. and getting prayed for and they just lose their mind. But like they, they, um, we were as,

there's a bunch of sectarian differences, but one thing a lot of them are united in is Israel. Yeah. And I think that like, what I'm saying is that like, if that was to go away, they would have to renegotiate both the sectarian differences

and their own interpersonal faiths. And so like you've got a sociological and a psychological element to both of these things that like, I don't know how that shakes out I don't know if you get like a new reformation but if I had to take a guess knowing Americans

selfish greedy self-obsessed you know unwilling to interrogate anything they'll probably develop some stabbing the back myth and we'll just have a back and forth

between like Jewish supremacism and anti-Semitism over the next yeah I'll just said the winds will change they'll blame Jewish people for Christ not coming back or whatever You know, it'll be rinse wash,

repeat. Yeah. But they're both, they're all locked in a very dangerous zero-sum game. Very dangerous. And all of us by extension. And all of us by extension.

Even if you listen to you have, and you have, you think this is a world away for me, it's really not. I'm probably not. It's really not. Yeah. In the same way that like if you were just some like peasant

who didn't really care in like the 30 years war, like the fucking battle is going to be rolling over your fucking town soon, right? Like, it's just, it's, I don't know. I think that, like, religious wars are back in a big way, baby. And they started, the George Bush administration tried to pretend, like, its wars were, like, these, their religion was, like, democracy, but, like, it was resource. It was the worship of money.

It was the worship of, we'll say Netanyahu's God. I mean, I don't know what else they'll, like. Yeah, but partying thoughts on that. Did you see that, did you read that quote that I sent you yesterday from Netanyahu in the 80s? That's an astonishing quote. I did not know existed until. That was crazy.

I'll just read it for the audience here. And again, I got that from the Gary and Burge book. In 1989, Benjamin Nottingahu was speaking at Barlawn University following the Chinese repression of demonstrations in Tiananmen Square his viewpoint, quote, Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China when world attention focused on that country to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of the occupied territories. And I think that that is like his M.O. Right? It's like they knew they can't beat Iran in a war. But if they get United States to go to war for them, it creates enough of a fucking smoke,

creates enough smoke and enough distraction for them to take Lebanon. How many fucking times they do insane, like, bombing raids on people during, like, a Super Bowl in America, or, like, Grammy Night. You know what I'm saying? Like, that is fucking, that's Netanyahu's M.O. from day one. Like, they bombed some of the oldest Christian churches in Palestine on Christmas Day a couple years ago. Yeah.

That's another thing. I mean, that's another piece of this that's, I think, is going to be a part of, you know, engaging with these American Protestants and stuff as, like, sort of another front in the class war is, they're not in solidarity with Christians in the global South. They're not in solidarity with Christians anywhere else in the world. It's a very parochial, you know, self-centered Christianity, which is also anti-scriptural, but that's a whole other tangent. Well, they've got, they're setting the whole thing up.

I sent that thing to you the other day, though, like about how Zionists are, I'm sorry, Zion, well, yeah, they are Zionists, Christian Zionists. In Texas, they're rewriting the school board rules, like the textbook rules to teach the Bible in schools. So all the fucking pieces are there. All the ingredients are there. You know what I'm saying? Like they are trying to ensure

and I guarantee you when they're teaching the Bible in Texas schools, they're teaching most of the fucking Old Testament. And some of that shit in like Romans where Paul's like, don't do the gay shit. Yeah. Yeah, it's kind of like

sort of enclose. And I think, you know, there's the meme of, you know, Alexis de Tocqueville, which I'm sure most Americans have read and stuff like that. It's like, that's going to have such utility for years to come, especially as like,

I mean, like, we've already talked about, like, getting taught revisionist history about the Civil War and stuff. Like, on the other side of this, like American education is going to be,

like, so thoroughly in the toilet. It's like, it's either like, you either work in STEM, or your understanding of the world is mediated through, uh,

you know, fucking TV preachers. Uh-huh. Understanding the world or what they want for the world, you know. Some morons, interpretation of the Bible in like fucking

something county Texas I don't know I'm trying to remember the name of the county next to my county in Texas but well anyways that's all I got for today I wanted to encourage you all to

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