Trillbilly Worker's Party - Episode 443: The Rich Man & The Sea

Episode Date: May 8, 2026

Our friend JJ sits in for Tarence as we take the gang's temperature on the recent hantavirus scare, why "uncle" is too sacred a position to be held by an AI model, and why there was only one rich man ever built for a seafaring life--among other important topics. Support us: patreon.com/trillbillyworkersparty

To you trailbass for the week of May 7th, 20 and 26. I'm your host, Tom Sexton. Join me as always, my main man, Mr. Aaron Thorpe. Aaron Thorpe, how you doing down there in Atlanta, GA? Yo, yo, chillin. It's a nice cloudy but nice breezy day, you know. Can't complain. You look good. Thank you, man. You feel good?

Not really. I'm slowly dying inside as always. I'm slowly dying inside as always. My youthful globe betrays the intert turmoil. Yeah, betrayed the intertobo, but now I'm good, though, you know. Can't complain, brother. And sitting in for Mr. Terrence Ray. God damn it, man. That was such a smooth intro, and I forgot to hit record.

Tom! What is happening? Now I'm recording on my end. We'll just pick it up right there. Perry can figure that now. I'm sorry, Perry. joining us from parts unknown uh miss jay j welcome back yet again

that's good jay sitting sitting in for the erstwhile terence ray who is heeded the eternal call to go west young man indeed is he on the road like or person or permanently i'm not i'm not at liberty to say that jacist classified information he's just seeing what's happening out there i guess

exactly so anyway we're we're we're we're poor for his absence but we got a pretty good crew here today and so we'll just get right into it hauntavirus you said you said honovirus is that what is that ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha you ain't you ain't oh well you've brother i'm gonna tell you you ain't dialed in the hypochondria twitter obviously oh no no no man no i mean as an apocalyptician i feel like I should be clued in to the latest No, no, no, no, no, no, let me back up for just a second. Let me back up for just a second. Okay, okay.

You're going to call yourself apocalyptic and you're not even checking in what's happening in disease and pestilence. Not, nah, I've been, I'm not on the meteoroid, meter right asteroid tip, you know, recently. Oh, you're looking more toward, you're watching the skies. Yeah, yeah, I'm watching the skies, brother, you know. So fill me in, click me it, what's up? Well, who's dying from what?

Maybe all of us. First of all, let me dial it back to the year is 2019. Okay. At this point, I'm on the bargaining team for the Sierra Club's Union, and I was in Oakland, California. Okay. And from our bargaining room, just big, long table management on one side, us on the other side, I walk over to the window and look out in the harbor. and I was like, there's interesting, it's like a cruise ship sitting there.

Now, veterans of the pandemic and we'll remember that in the early days, there was a ship where there was a bunch of COVID cases sitting on it. And they docked it in Oakland and like basically quarantined everybody there for like. There was a COVID ship dog. There was a COVID ship. Like how there was a ghost ship with ghosts on it, there was a COVID ship. Well, they weren't ghost shit. I don't know if anybody died on that shit.

Maybe they did. I can't remember. Okay, okay. I think there might have been a couple of people who did. died. I think. That sounds right. I can't remember.

I don't want to play fast and loose with people's memories. However, I remember looking out there and one of the Sierra Club employees said, yep, that's where they got all the lepers at.

And I was like, well, this is 2019, so like the full reality of the scale hadn't like set in on the shit. Sure. So I was just like, at that time, selfishly,

I was just like, none of my business, what's going on in that shit. It will not come to effect my pristine life. I can't see how they, I can't see how this affects me whatsoever. You know what?

That's like, Tom, that's like when you're watching an apocalyptic movie and someone's watching the news, but they're not really paying attention. So in the background, you hear, like, crazy shit, like, oh, you know, all these people are suddenly dying, you know. And no one knows what's going on. The CDC and be why you're trying to, like, flip the pancakes for your kids and some shit. Yeah, they're in Phoenix, and then they look outside and it's snowing all of a sudden, you know what I'm. It's like 14-inch snow on the ground, that kind of thing.

So I'm not discounting what you're saying, the weather. the meteors, the skies, all that is relevant to apocalyptic. However, don't discount disease and pestilence because I'm not trying to be a doomsayer because the early feed on this is a little bit, it's a little bit reminiscent of COVID,

but it is a little bit, you know, if you see like the disease specialists, they're like, let's not trip out. Haunted viruses. First of all, there are like two disease specialists left in this bitch because they've all been put out of work. So, of course, specialists are kind of like waffling a little bit trying to hold on their jobs that's number one

that's true and i just want to say this right now it's a good part to say this jay if called to serve i will do so to the best of my ability what you mean what you mean contract the disease is what i lack in credentials aaron is what i'm saying what i lack in credentials i make up for and i have searched extensively and and engaged with these ailments mentally well-bearing well before that's even affected the populace. I'll get back to that a second. I had a haunted virus period briefly. Meaning, well, hang on 30 second timeout.

Do we mean you had a hanta virus period in your body? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, in my mind. Oh, okay, okay. In my mind. Thank you for, thank you for clear enough. So, all I'm saying is, is while consensus is split, some people are saying, and we should just kill ourselves now and get out in front of it. Others are saying don't trip.

This is strange because long-time listeners of the show know that I've struggled mightily with hypochondry most of my life, even from childhood. And I'm in a good place with it right now. And I didn't really need this boat to get rocked at this juncture while I've made progress. Literally and figuratively. So what camp are you leaning towards, Tom? Because, I mean, you know, I mean, I don't know. I can't think of any probably worse way to die, you know, than what, then like a dystopian sort of way.

The only reason I say that is because I think of children of men a lot, you know, and a lot of my favorite dystopian or apocalyptic fiction, which has a lot to do with Station 11 is another one, which has a lot to do with pandemics, which is like a slow, creeping sort of death. Almost akin to zombies in a way, right? A disease, again, disease sort of correlation. But what are you leaning towards now, Tom? You said that some people kind of waffling the middle.

Are you like, are you, yeah, where are you heading with this? Here's how I see it. Okay. And here's how, this is what's helped me. It's about to get real, real wild. Okay. Here's how I said. Uh-huh.

Even if you're fucked, you got to keep a stiff upper limb. Okay. That's the most Appalachian bullshit I've ever heard. I thought you were going to say something pro, like your secret third. thing was going to be profound and like ooh i hadn't thought of that not like don't cry don't be a pussy like what listen even if the ship's going down and the goddamn orchestra's playing brian's song or perhaps you know you still have to keep a steely disposition you know what i appreciate about you too i appreciate that not even the specter of the pandemic of hanta virus breaks you out of

being a steely unemotional man. Now inside. Let's just clap our hands. Inside, now I make no mistake about it. Inside, I'm an emotional cat and I make no apologies. Same here. But the exterior has to be very curt. For what?

Inside is a maelstrom of emotional maladies. It's not even. I'm crumbling, you know what I mean? But yeah, yeah, you know. That's what gives y'all tummy problems. Y'all don't know how to make the inside match the outside. I happen to gash your attention. untestination completely. Before you go down that road, Jay, let me just tell you something.

It's not even toxic masculinity. I didn't say that. It is, if I'm crawling up the walls as a 220-pound man, that's going to signal to others that perhaps I need to do the same. And now we've got a maelstrom. That's a good word. Let me tell you something. What the maelstrom is, is an outbreak of hauntabirus on a goddamn cruise ship. I don't care whether or not you're crawling up or down a Hall. Okay, I was speaking more broadly. I'll get back to the haunted virus ship. Can I ask a question then where, for like details, where was it coming from?

And is it like, is this the first reported case? So these hoes are on a boat like doing one of these like go around the world for like a year boat cruise? That's what that was. That sounded terrible to me when that was. Like you could like spend a year going around like the world. I was like, no, that sounds terrible. I can't also, I can't probably think of like a more like hospitable place for virus to develop and spread. Ding, ding, ding.

We got to stay off these boats. You got to stay up the seas, man. That's correct. My people know that inherently, but the rest of y'all are still catching up. Okay. And who's your people that? Africans. Traffic around the world.

You all say that. The Senegalese invented surfing. I learned that the other day. That's not a boat, Tom. That's being on the warden temper, Beverly. Also, that's just one kind of black person. Yeah, that's what that is.

Anyway. Correct. So, these things always start with a ship incident. It's true. So I'm just saying, the plague. Keep a steely disposition. Don't get too carried away by it. But in your mind, just know the signs.

Okay. agile. Stalk up on hands and a time. They start stocking up on toilet paper. Probably a good idea would be to get some humane mouse traps. Okay, okay. I'm strictly catching release on this front. I don't believe in them gnawing their legs off. And that just creates another problem. Actually, you know what they, I learned recently that they did, the new black, uh, black plague, which actually precipitated the spread of the disease even more is that, um, they thought the disease was like,

related to like morality, you know, like, you know, like evilness, you know. They didn't really understand like, I guess, like the science of it, obviously. Where did the plague really start proliferating, France? I'm not sure. If so, I wouldn't discount the morality angle. Not out of hand. Retro-inherly able. Yeah, let's not just, let's not just kick out to the side.

That's where we're really kicking off. Not to your point, though, bed, people had, you know, because it was carried by rats, They didn't understand that cats who they associated with like evil, you know, and the devil, they were killing cats by like the millions, which because the cats then couldn't kill the rats, who were the ones actually spreading the disease through, I guess, fleas or ticks. Fleas were about the rats and jump out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, it just, you know, even more people died. So one thing I will say, still, but try to avoid superstition. We saw what that did in the last pandemic, you know.

I like that. Okay, that's a practical. That's something practical that people can. can take with them. I haven't like I like I saw the story before it kind of like jump the jump the mainstream because like now my normie not mentally ill friends chronically online started sending me this but did they find the like the index patient where where were they coming from? Was it South Africa or that could be hell wrong but where did the index patient come from on the on the cruise ship. Do we know?

Is that another word for patient zero? Patient zero. That's actually a really good question because if it's going around the world and making multiple stops, it makes it much harder to pinpoint, you know. No, but they're not letting them hose off that ship. And these other fucking are. Well, they did. They let a couple go. No. Wait, they let a couple go after.

They let a couple go after. And one died the day after they got home. Dude, no. No, no. I thought they let a couple off to be hospitalized. Okay, let's read the story. We're, I get things wrong all the time.

I was super wrong. I would point out I was super wrong on the key detail a couple episodes and I would apologize. So Tom, please, please. Here's the thing. I don't like to discriminate against any individual, but suspected patient zeros include a Dutch man

and a South African wife. Now, if she happened to be in, you know, one of those Dutch Afrikaners, This is a cursed origin store. Okay. This is the lovecrafted evil bubbling over and manifesting itself. This is from the English version of the Spanish newspaper El Pais. Suspect of Patient Zero reports indicate that a Dutch man who died on April 11, 2026, and his wife who later died in South.

Okay, she's not South African, but she returned to their adopted homeland, apparently, are suspected to be. shouldn't say that. This is awful. They might be solid of the earth people. But if they're on like a rich person cruise, I don't know. Are suspected to be the original source of the infection, having likely contracted it through contact with infected rodents during wildlife excursions prior to or during the cruise, which brings me back to Jay's point. Sometimes you just don't need to, sometimes you don't need to, in fact, touch grass. That ain't your natural habitat. I feel like this is analogous with the Ocean Gate.

submarine implosion, you know, going to certain depths, right? I mean, I feel like I sound hypocritical because I love space, right? And, I mean, that, very, very... But you love space in a different way for a different reason. Exactly. I mean, people, actually, people who want to, these billioners who want to go up to space, if they were to, you know, die or something up there, I mean, I'll say what my mom said when she heard about Ocean's Gate, right?

And she's like a good Christian, you know, very moral person. And love, very humanistic, but she was like, yo, if you have the buddy to spend to go died out there, then you probably deserve it. That's right. And I'm using my words. But yeah, man, maybe you shouldn't be, you know, maybe we should, like, you're right, Tom. Maybe, maybe don't touch too much grass. There's some grass that you need to, you need to inspect before you touch it. Exactly, exactly.

Knee high in a foreign place. If you need like Indiana Joe's like machete to cut vides, you know what I'm saying? That you should probably back away. Miracle Grove Midwestern type, you're probably Gucci. Rich people need to heed the eternal wisdom of TLC and don't go chase some water from. They need to stick to them rivers and lakes that they're used to. Not the ocean's depths. I just feel like they're not, they've inoculated themselves against adventure because they're just not, you can't, you can't amass a fortune.

I guess you can in case of Ted Turner, RIP, we'll get to that. That's another news, I don't know. Can I just point out one thing, too, just Tom, I feel like you, when you have that much wealth, and maybe this is like a facile point, but I feel like when you have that much wealth, sort of things like mortality, you know what I'm saying, and just like, you know, just safety and not putting yourself in a risky situation, those things sort of go out the window because I think there is this, I don't know how to explain it, but I feel like there's this sort of, you know, you know, a shield, you know what I mean, that goes over somebody or maybe some sort of

fog or filter, right? Where they have so much power and wealth and they get the ability to do whatever they want that they almost can't think that they can be harmed. I'm just, I'm just saying that there was a, it's a thrill. Exactly, dude, there was a 79-year-old billionaire I heard of recently who went game hunting and get trampled by a herd of elephants. You know what I'm saying? Well, they know.

The elephants know, though. This thing is 79 years old, bro. Like, what? Dude, the elephants, no. You'll see like a poor villager out there playing with an elephant, and it'll be very warm and kind and all that stuff. You put a billionaire out there, motherfuckers getting stomped down. There's no question about it.

So I feel like if you've acquired a fortune in the billions, you've put too much distance between yourself and the hoary masses to be like, have like, good sort of immunity. Instincts. Instincts judgment. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, all that kind of stuff. So it's just not good for you to be out in the wild like that.

No. Initial case symptoms. The first case began experiencing symptoms on April 6, 2026, including fever, headache, diarrhea, a few days after departing. That's just a Saturday night, bro. That's just being on a cruise. Everybody gets my butt on a cruise. Can I just put the hat on for a little bit?

I'm going to. And I just put the hat for a little bit. After departing Ushuaia, Argentina. Okay. Probably butchered that, frankly. Sure did. Now listen. I'm just going to go ahead and say it.

Go ahead. Let it rip. These goddamn Israelis trying to colonize Patagonia using loopholes in the fucking law about burning lands. And at the same time, they cut that other Israeli. motherfucker at LAX with all the diseases and shit in the suitcase. I'm just saying, I'm not... Ooh, the hat is on. The hat is on.

There's a little triangle that's reaching for me from the Patagonia region to L.A.X to this goddamn crew shit. And it just so happens to be the strain that can be passed from human to human. Well, I mean, you know, if I got to put the hat on to, you know, We're just talking about scale, you know, I don't know, you know, maybe wouldn't put it past the country who has no problem mutilating, you know, children, men, women, children, you know, an entire people in country, you know. What I'm going to pass them and using psychological warfare surveillance tactics, scapegoating the entire world, you know, maybe wouldn't put it past them to use biological warfare, you know. You know, that's just the hat being on. You know what I mean?

I feel, okay, I didn't, I didn't think that's where we were going with our hats on. But I, where did it? Where did you think we were going? We can put another hat on. No, no, no, no, no. I got lots of hats. You're not. And we wear many hats on this pro. No, no, no.

I enjoy this aluminum hat. I just, I don't, there's so much that, like, flies into and out of the brain every fucking day now. And what can we know about any of what's going on right now in any given fucking moment as we talk. about it in a previous episode, you know. That's correct. So I forgot about the, the biological, like, whoopsie, like kind of fine story. Yeah, it was one of those classic things. You just walk in one day and you slip on banana pill and you just revealed to have a suitcase

full of HIV, Ebola. Every scourge that this, you know, this world's produced in the last 50, 60 years just, you know, in a convenient, one little convenient spot. But, yeah, I guess if the hat is, I mean, we can't. roll anything out um and i feel like if you wanted to if you wanted to be like a evil nefarious uh agent of a certain country you wouldn't you wouldn't start with the big gun you wouldn't go straight to Ebola first even though they could have these and like the little the vials you'd you know you start with something that's like scary as fuck but not like the but wouldn't shut

things down immediately and like in a context a cruise ship where like like there's spread but there's some nominal bit of containment right for at least a bit on the boat so okay also also too i do want to point out that you know one thing to think about as well and this is i guess taking the hat off is um you know with this climate apocalypse and with habitats you know just being destroyed and maybe we're just seeing a resurgence or new diseases from animals, organisms, you know, that have been displaced or where the context of the ecological context they've been living has changed. You know what I mean, I could also see that being used, uh, if I'm putting the hat slightly back on like, I'm wearing a hat. I'm wearing a hat like a brim right now, like a new era.

Broke way off the backside. I'm wearing it to the sign right. I wear that hat to the sign right now, you know. But it's like, I could also see. government's using that and certain powers using that to their advantage as, you know, you know, climate racism as people have used that sort of term, you know, just seeing what communities died overwhelmingly during COVID, you know, the cities like New York. So either way, man, this is like, is this something I have to worry about? Are we going? Is this something that's being reported? Is this something that's being underreported or this

is something that y'all think it's maybe, um, I think it's, it was being under, because when I first saw it like weeks ago I was like you know rubbing my eyes like a cartoon like I can like I cannot be reading those words on a screen what a what um but now it's like it's like people breaking you know normal normal people like I'm well I'm not normal but um normal but like to know no definition normal but like but like you know normal people who aren't like glued to their phone all the time like know about it now but I but it's still not it's still not like wall to wall Savannah Guthrie's mother type thing also have we found her yet oh my god are they still even reporting on that dude no i'm not i'm gonna be honest with you i ain't

heard anything about that in a month i know dude they were what i'll keep j dude they were my mom was my mom was um before she'd left um go back to africa she had been watching that like all the time because there's an older woman that's frightening to her to think about yeah we talked about him he's frightening for anybody, but especially as an older woman. And I just haven't, I mean, I don't watch cable news either, but I just haven't heard, even on social media, I haven't heard shit about it. Yeah. So it's not, it has not reached Savannah's mama, who, you know, God bless you, wherever you are, but it's still, but it's, but it's like percolating a little more. So it's not something of, in my opinion, it's not something to like freak the fuck out, panic about, but it's something

to monitor. I was going to say, I was going to say that this is, To me, this is the platonic ideal of monitoring the situation. Correct. Correct. I think there are more important, there are much more urgent things to, like, be freaked out about. Well, that's what my neuroses are informing me to do. But this is something like, you know, just, yeah, check in once a week. See what the headlines are saying.

Like, maybe set your Google alerts, you know. There we go. I like Aaron's watching the skies. As I'm watching the seas, Jay's watching the terra firma. And so we've got all our bases covered here. We do indeed, we do indeed, man. Earth, wind and fire. That's right.

I will say before we go on to other topics, I will say there is like, even if the tin foil analysis of this is that like, well, there's some weird elements here. And to be clear, I don't really think that some of this is a bio weapon. I'm saying, I just wouldn't put it past these motherfuckers. Also, it's fun and interesting to, not to cut. off time, but it's fun and interesting to just think about these things sometimes. If you'll genocide a whole group of people,

you will release a bio weapon of your world. I'm sorry, that's orders down. Bad point two. And I don't mean it's fun or interesting to think about these things. I don't want to say it like that in a flippant way, but stranger things have occurred. Are occurring. Are occurring right now. Thank you, Jake.

Can we put on the hat for just one more, since hats are out, since they're putting a brim down? We're putting brings down. We're placing them on the side. Got it real low. We're pulling them down. Speaking of hats and, you know, things in that region, do you all, and maybe you all discuss this and I've just, I haven't caught up yet, but do you all have any thoughts or

thinking about the, have you seen this like idea that after one of the like climate stations or something was bombed and destroyed in, I guess the UAE or somewhere like, the, you know, These historic rains have, like, come back to these persistently drought-stricken areas. And there's kind of this, I'm not going to call it a conspiracy, but there is a thinking that the United States and Israel or, you know, the enemies of the resistance. Of the free world. I see where you're going with this. Yeah, have, like, been manipulating the weather. They've been doing some cloudy with a chance of meatballs shit.

But, like, you know, but, like, not like, but, like, not real cloudy with a chance of meatballs because they're trying to feed people. You know what I'm saying? They're trying to actually kill people. By manipulating, okay. Clouds, see that and so forth. Okay. Yeah, but like the opposite of it, like creating, like keeping the rains from coming. Like they're like the, you know, the like historic, I guess they're called marshlands, like in Iraq, which have been like cracked, dry desert have like come back and like.

Sprung back. And there's like, you know, there was like a long. Looks like Myrtle Beach now. Looks like. the flooding and the sizzler at Myrtle Beach. Like, you can still see the cracks. I'd talk like the marshlands before you actually get to the beach. Yes, yes, yes, yes.

Yes. Yes. I didn't mean to make it sound like, you know, it rocks peddling, you know, moonshine and, uh, you know, I mean, that's, that's just interesting to think about again because if you look at the opposite end of the spectrum, you see that Israel by cutting down like, you know, crops, you know what I'm saying, and just torching land and actually, ecologically changing the environment. It's like purposefully doing so, you know what I mean,

so that people cannot live there and thrive. Right. You know, I don't know, man. Like, that's, yeah, yo. I don't know enough about the technological capabilities or what have you to, like, I don't know one way or another, but I have, you know, there's, there's discussion that I, with my mentally ill brain monitor and like, you know, read and I'm not, I'm not necessarily absorbing it or incorporating. No, but you follow it. It's interesting. You follow it and you keep it in the background and what I think for me, a lot of these things

do. And I think there's something on the shoulder that I hope we try to contextualize that. It's never, you know, any wholehearted belief in any of these things that we might kind of posit, you know, I think it's in the sort of larger context about what a country like Israel and the United States are capable of, right? To hold on to power in this kind of crumbling, sort of slowly crumbling order that we're seeing, you know, of neoliberalism and whatever comes next. So, yeah, that is, okay, I'm going to look up that.

I'm going to look that up a little more. I don't know enough about cloud seeding and the technology and the potential for that or anything like that. I do know that you can use large-scale engineering projects to, like, reroute major rivers and stuff. So, like, I do know that there's, like, things like that, like to create drought conditions and so forth to, to start. to start people out.

Like, you know, that's definitely a thing that's in the, in the toolkit of the evil doers of the world for sure. But, yeah, I don't know about it. On this, on this, on the, we're, I, we are jumping all over the place. And I apologize for getting us off. No, don't apologize. My favorite kind of episode. Some of them's for us.

Okay. This is, this is not directly related to, like, it's distantly a, if it's distantly adjacent that means not adjacent huh well it's on this show on this show it is we can do distantly adjacent we could we can show spurts of consistency here thank you thank you we are the pioneers of distantly adjacent yeah the trailblazers this is like distantly adjacent but i was i was i was i was looking at um i know maybe it was it was maybe it was a headline on my wall street journal or financial times and i thought about you tom and i and i you probably talked about this but I'd like to hear your thoughts

everyone you know is now like Apu with like rubies in their eyes about the spectating of I think it's lithium in Appalachia that they've like found these huge you know stores and you know that they'll I'm sure I mean I think it's a given if I saw it in the financial press

but they're going to make a play for that being the next major extractive industry in the region my hat is on okay it's there's like a chin strap underneath like it's snug right now. I just need you to know that that's, that's where I'm like, you're strapped in.

That's correct. It's like, it's a whole, it's a whole thing. But like, do you think that, or is there, is there like chatter in the community and your family

about the, the possibility of like the, the big, huge, like horrific, crazy flooding that happened a few years ago that further deep or further contributed to the deep population of, places where you're from,

that, like, this was a way to, like, depopulate a region that they plan to, like, to just continue to decimate for the purpose of capitalist extraction, but this time, lithium. Like, is there, is there, my hat is on, I'm just, we're doing a thought experiment. I'm not saying that that's what is happening. I'm not saying any, I'm just, we're thinking thoughts out loud in a crazy way, which happens on here from time. No, I like the thought experiment angle. Yeah. Thank you.

Here's what I think. I think. So going back from when I was a little kid, everybody would say things like, Mrs. Germain did this like weather changing cloud seating. Like, is that possible? It's like, is that something that governments do to disenfranchise other people, whatever? We were always told that, like, mountaintop removal, coal mining, which for those, if you're listening, you probably know what that is.

But assuming you don't, it's when you use a, blasting materials to blow up the mountaintop to get the coal seams underneath instead of like deep mining them which is not a good practice either but like far less destructive and and weirdly enough well I'm not going to make it sound like I'm like saying well if we do coal mining the old fashion way everything be okay but a common refrain you heard was like you know we would see more flooding than normal and that, you obviously hit a crescendo in 2022 with like that. Because, I mean, when you erode the land like that, you just create, like, I guess, more the ability

for more water. The earth can't absorb it. Yeah, exactly, more the ability for more water to collect, I guess, you know. Well, and another thing that, that a consequence of it was, we're seeing more destructive, like storms, like tornadoes and things like that that were not there because the natural topography of the mountains, we were always told, like, sort of insulated us from those storms getting, like, really bad, unless they just happened to. a touchdown perfectly in a valley or something like that.

But like the topography kind of weakens the storm systems and so forth. Now you're seeing, and this is everywhere, so I'm not just saying this is like just an exclusively like Appalachian thing or whatever. But what you're seeing now more and more is like some of those extreme weather patterns being more devastating in those areas. And I think that by virtue of those trends, it creates not necessarily premeditated opportunity from these people like speculating about lithium and other minerals and stuff like that. But it does create a very convenient situation where they can go in there and buy this land-up

cheap, get whatever they want out because of this depopulation and stuff like that. So it's like almost a situation where these like coal companies have won twice because my hunch is this. Everything that happens back home, like even if it's something like thought of as sustainable or whatever, like the same coal people that got us in the situation begin with, get in on the ground floor of all the new ideas and stuff anyway. So you know these vultures are like chomping at the bit for lithium. And then on top of that, you know, just the fact that we're like, like mining lithium just suggests like something like we've emiserated so many people.

And it creates an opportunity to like, well, everybody's depressed and anxious now because their brain's been broken by, you know, like ultraviolence in the 24-hour news system and constant fear of haunt of viruses and so forth. blah blah blah blah blah now we're just going to self-cure back to them and rinse wash repeat you know so i don't know that i would go on record as saying that's like they've created these conditions to afford the sake of that but it is wildly convenient well i think well i think what i'm sorry no no go go go go just before i forget my brain is not working correctly today i would yes i see what you're saying tom but i think what is more and i'm not i'm not saying that this is happening

because of one part. I'm not saying anything definitively, but I think what is worsome, I think. I mean, I'm not even from that region, but just think about people who are from there. What I think is more worrisome is worrysome is that like the push, the eagerness to kind of set that up wouldn't even primarily be for, you know,

the pharmaceutical benefit. That's for like EV batteries and shit. You know what I mean? Like this is like something like an evil. line must type people have an interest in and and you know they're those motherfuckers won't stop at anything I'm sorry no no no Jay they were remember his famous words about Bolivia when they found up Bolivia had like all these lithium reserves we'll coup whoever we want to exactly Jay well that's exactly what I was going to say too it's just like you know I feel like because lithium

is used for like you know electric vehicles portable electronics energy storage like all the cutting edge, right? I feel like places like Appalachia have always been sort of at the exploitative forefront, I guess if I could say that, of like what these industries, you know, claim that the future is going to be and how this is going to give back to these communities actually, you know, and how it's going to better everyone. But of course, it's to line their own fucking pockets, right, to sort of mine these communities, whether it's coal or whether it's lithium right now, you know. And that's the most depressing thing to think about is that it's not even, as you said, Jay, it's not even for like medically medical life-saving technology.

Yeah, if it was just for bipolar people, then it's like, oh, well, that's probably necessary. Well, I mean, also, too, you would, I mean, even if your jobs mined in there, they'll breathe that in, they'll get better on the job. Even if, even if it was for those technologies, it's also the point of just like how it's just going to just exploit people and displace people, you know what I mean? It's never going to be done, even if it was for humane purposes, just, I don't know, man, just, again, it's just sort of the, yeah, man, just the rapaciousness, man, of capital. man when it comes from resource extraction

well to go back to the place that you had thought you know a few years ago we've got everything we need out of this place you know what I mean like that's the issue it's like the way that economic development didn't spring well I mean there's that's not just the issue that is one issue like

you always heard things like oh well we can't build roads through here because the da da da da you can't do it and I'm not for that like specifically I think there's like all kinds of environmental concerns around that kind of stuff but like in the way that like industry like in Pittsburgh for example which had the steel industry and the coal industry like you had still had urban developments spring up around that and all that kind of

stuff but they kept my part of the world kind of isolated for a lot of reasons you have a low debt like a kind of a desperate low union density workforce that you could just employ at any time you know what I mean but the thing that I would urge people to pay attention to on that front is the way that like just a few years ago like you know they've been selling everybody on like we need coal miners to start coding you know we need coal miners to start farming we need coal miners to start fucking you know um riding around on unicycles and jester max here whatever we need you to be useful again yeah yeah yeah we need y'all be on penny farthings and playing doing trickery to people um skullduggery yeah all men are skull duggery and tom fool and um i think like now what's happened is like

in the last couple years there's been like sort of like riding on the wall about that kind of stuff like it can't just generate enough economic impact to really make a difference well now this is one of those things where they'll do the same thing they've always done they'll come in and then they'll say jobs jobs and all this kind of stuff and then the really what'll end up happening is they'll rapaciously get everything they can out of the place for you know you know as quick and as cheaply as they can and then you know eight guys will make all the money off of it and I just had a thought

I don't purport to prognosticate the future. But what is occurring to me as you're saying this is like, I think as a result of distantly adjacent, but maybe a little closer, like actually adjacent to like the supply chain disruptions that we're seeing as a result of like the closure of the Strait of Hormuz, which has an impact on China. And China has like most of the world's like rare earth.

that like everybody needs and da-da-da-da. Well, not only that, they control the processing plants for about 95% of it too. Right, correct. The whole, like, they're like vertically integrated to use the whole thing. That's right. But as these geopolitical tensions continue to like percolate, bubble up, bubble over, whatever, I think that, I think that Appalachia is maybe like on the, is like a canarian, the coal mine.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Unfortunately, exactly. You didn't mean to do that, but that was good. I didn't mean to do that, but the brain works in mysterious ways. But, like, I think that there will be a redoubled effort. Is that a word? Redoubled? Whatever.

There'll be an increased renewal in the effort to, like, just mine every single pocket of this country for the things that are now being cut off from other farther distant land. So I think it's something that everyone, no matter where you're from, I think it's what Appalachia is kind of quietly in the headline. lines now, but I think it would behoove everyone to like start paying attention to like what's under their feet because if they can't get it from the places that they've been banking on getting whatever it is, like they will not stop until they get what they need to keep this like rapacious engine of capitalism like going.

Well, look at Venezuela, right? You know, I think that was a prime example. But as you're saying, Jay, I mean, even closer where it's not even in America's backyard, but in your backyard, you know. Like what we're going to be. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. That's right. Yeah.

Our official business for the purposes of the state and tax purposes is tomorrow's people LLC. And it comes from a Harry M. Cottle line, who was this lawyer from Whitesburg, my hometown, who I have a great many critiques about. So I wouldn't advise anybody to read Harry Cottleone critically. I think he's got a lot of good things to say, but he's got a lot of problems, too, particularly his later years dabbling in eugenics and just kind of giving up on Appalachian. people and saying that we need to just, you know, sterilize them and all this kind of stuff. Going so far as to have a correspondence with this eugenicist at UCLA, William Stokely, I think, was his name. And Caudill's writing is, you know, basically like, these people are the dregs of the British

aisle. Whatever, whatever. Dude, that's like the legger you would use when they were, like, making caricatures of the Irish which is like, you know, just ape-like looking drunks. Yeah, like little munchkin looking. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that is true. But, you know, in a broken clock being around two times a day sort of way,

he did say that, like, the mountains are sort of a proving ground for what, like, is coming to the rest of the country writ large. And I'm sure, I mean, black folks know this, Native American folks know this, like all kinds of different people know this. And it's not, like, exclusive to that. It's like wherever people are viewed as disposable, that's where they're going to like try the shit first. And then that's how you know what's coming on down the line.

And I think what we're in right now in this portion of the decline of empires, we're in the Strip for Parts era. Mm-hmm. And yeah, I think people are trying to get, you know, to max extract what they can while the sun's up. You know what I mean? And frankly, we got about two years where crimes legal, so we need to put our heads together here and figure out how.

You got a two-year purge. Get us a little nest egg at the lower rungs of, you know, skull dougary. Yeah, there we go. I actually have a, after the, I can't tell the story on the, on this, but maybe I was not recording if you all like 10, 15 minutes. I'll tell you about this. Because they're, like the scam industrial complex is like,

there's an example from like someone in my life and it's like, oh wow you my friend you got got and the way you didn't see this coming my feet like people out here like now honestly if i had a nickel for every time you've told me that okay all right tom let's settle down anyway now that I've derailed us twice what other thing did you want to talk about no no no no I think that's a good thread because I think you're right I you know when I sat on top of my ivory tower a few years ago and I said these bored apes is the goddamnedest thing I've ever seen in my life this is the peak this is the nod deer of horseshit you know useless whatever like carnival game sort of you know capitalism where you're going to call it is it is it is something we talked about off of you mentioned Todd where it's like everything now is vapor so we're not even talking about like physical material commodities like things you can touch and hold like everything is in the cloud everything is just digitized you know we're trying to figure how to make immaterial things like it's like it's like it's

kind of like distantly adjacent or spurts of consistency what is it what is it what is it what is it something that we've been a theme we've talked about in the show you know trying to make god right yeah i shit right trying to commodify god right but not just commodify god but the sort of like what's the word i'm even looking for man like transmute yeah Transmute God to something that can be purchased, you know, but also something that people could buy into to see you as this God-like figure. You know, to give you this power, confer this power to you, you know what I'm saying? You know what? You know, it was just a, like, a really good example of this that, like,

gives me hope that all this AI bullshit is, like, not going to necessarily get ensconced the way that our capital masters are planning. But to your point, both Aaron and Tom, the, all of the, I've been reading a lot, of the postmortems about the metaverse that they were trying to make happen like at facebook or whatever and like yeah they it's just they they weren't i mean with the metaverse they weren't trying to create god but they were trying to create this like alternate digital reality where there was both like endless endless abundance and like price scarcity and it's like for like four like four for what? I mean, we know the answer. The answer is just like trying to reproduce the world that

we already live in. That's right. Right. And making that more attractive than my meat space. Exactly. Take your eye off the ball that your physical corporeal life sucks ass because of what I've done to you. That's right. That's correct. That's correct. But I don't know. I take solace in that like, you know, 80, what, 90, almost 90 billion dollars later in that that never became a thing. even though there was the same like breathless like, oh, like McKinsey is saying that, blah, blah, blah. And J.P. Morgan is like, oh. And she's like, you could, you did, you could not get the dogs eat the dog food.

And you know what? I hope we do that again. You know what? I think, I think that, I mean, I can't remember the statistic, but it's like an overwhelming majority. I think it's like over 50% of Americans just have an unfavorable or, and you know, I could be checked on this. I'm not sure.

But even in my own life anecdotally, just talking to people, Many people are not cool with AI, you know. Yeah. They not might reject it for the same reasons that we do or people, you know, other people who may be more well informed on the topic do. But instinctively, you know, I feel like people are like creeped out about that shit. They're worried about it and they feel like it's being pushed upon them, you know. Yep.

Absolutely. And but you know what? There's that. But then I have to cock my head to the side and squint to there. There are some people. Make careful not to lose your head. You know, I got to keep it on. I got to get you.

That's right. That's correct. Keep both hands on the broom. With the chin strap underneath it. My helmet. My helmet of armor. But like my brother and my sister-in-law, like they've really taken to like anthropomorphizing like Claude and just like. And he thinks he has to explain it. He thinks that I'm a dumb ass because I don't use it.

Something that we've been accused of doing it on the show before, to be fair. No, no, no. But they do it like, they like, in my opinion, like over rely on it. And they were like, oh, no, no, no, I was thinking about that, da, da, da, so I had to ask Uncle Claude. And, you know, I told him. And I'm like, stop. And they brought Uncle Claude to the family.

They were, yes. And I'm like, ew, I don't want an uncle named Claude. First of all, that's number one. And number two, why don't you put your motherfucking phone down and all of the money mom and dad put into, like, nurturing your, your very soft, impressionable brain? Like, just think about whatever it is that you're thinking about. And, like, evaluate it on its own. merits, you don't have to like,

blu-dump it into a machine to like regurgitate an approximation of a reasonable sounding answer to you. What is wrong? Exactly, exactly. It, like, it irritates the fuck out of me. I'm like, I've mentioned this on the show before, you know, but like, my sister it asks me something about like, I don't know, this internet cable service we have and what plans do they have, you know?

And it's just like, yo, bro, you can just go to the website. You know the name of the service. It's called Slink TV. She said I'm going to ask, I'm going to ask some chat GPT. And, like, I brought up on the show. I mean, it gets like, yeah, you could have Googled it. And Google uses AI search results too. But just sort of just the immediate, like, I'm going to jump to this, like, thing that's going to, like, feed it kind of back to me.

And there's no sort of like, I mean, I don't know, man. It's just the over reliance on it, the reliance on it that I do see from people I know does worry me as well, you know what I'm. It's super worries me because, okay, because all. also another dimension of my like overly saturated brain is like I'm very exitron and like Cal Newport pilled so like but particularly when you hear like Cal kind of demystify everything about AI because he is a he's a computer science professor it's this is like a it's like a glorified auto correct and these people are like trusting their lives and like big decisions that's a really good way.

That's just like statistically spitting out what is the probable next word to present to you. And that's nuts to me. Dude, that's, I'm glad they said that because I feel crazy sometimes when people talk about this like this is like this groundbreaking thing. And to me, it's like it's just giving a personality to a search engine. Ding, ding, ding. You know what I mean? Like, like, I don't get the, I don't get the, like, I get the idea that it could be like, help streamline wrote tasks, okay?

I think that's as far as we should go in society with that. You know what I mean? Right. But like, like, Road is not like. But like using you AI as a therapist. I was at a thing, I was at a thing with some, like, friends of a friend of mine. And like, they're younger than me. So like, of course they're a little dumb.

Bless their hearts. But like one of them was saying like, and he's not a, he's not like a kooky, like nutty kid, not from what I observed. He seems like a normal, like, whatever. Good guy. But he was like, he was like, kind of giddily excited to like tell the friend that we had in common who was there like, yeah, dude. I'm thinking about using Chad GBTBT for like therapy.

And I'm sitting there like. Brother, there are a lot of, there are a lot of worse things you could do that I've done personally that would injure your brain, you know, psychically damage. your brain just as much. But you'll maintain your integrity as a human being by doing so. In fact, I would say that consulting the oracles at Delphi would be a better idea by a factor of 20. Yeah, that's right.

Or talking to, you know, I live in San Francisco. Get a dog. An unhoused gentleman who are, you know, who are actually quite wise. They just are down on their, like anything. Get a dog, get a parrot. Get a dog. Don't get Honda virus. You talk.

Don't get over. Stay away from my road of friends. Yeah, that's right. But it's like, what are you doing? But it is so scary to just how eager some people, not everybody, but how eager some people are to just like relinquish any like common sense, cognition, like, ability to like reason or search for an answer or think through something. It's just like, ugh. You know what it is? And I don't want to, I don't want to harp on this too long.

But it's just since we're on a just topic, it's just something I've been thinking about. It's like trying to confer consciousness, right, and sentience to AI. It's very curious that it's happening in a time where I feel like people are spiritually, ideologically, within their own lives so bereft of any sort of connection, of any sort of, like any sort of clear identity of who they are or where their lives are going or what the future is going to look like. there's so much precariousness, uncertainty, you know? And it's just interesting that at the same time, something is being pushed to them that's not just a friend.

Like you said, Tom, you know, a search engine with a personality, right? You know, or even something like, you know, an auto-correct with a personality, right? As you said, Jay. Like, but it's, it fills all these, these kind of chasms that you feel in your life. But I think overall, it's just so, it's so convenient, I guess, that it's happening at a time again where people are lost, you know. Yeah. You know, and it's just like, no, but you have the AI friend that's going to be a panacea for your personal life, your spiritual life.

I'm sorry, one more time. Panacea. It's a panacea, panacea, my friend. Panacea, panacea. That's not like a prostitution. I was like, what is that panacea? Panacea. That's when Tony was eating.

I'll say this. He had the beds rice. We live in time. And I hesitate to mention this. scripture because granted this has been used to say that jazz music was of the devil for for example. You're very careful here, Tom. Check who you talking to. I'm not you know, you know, the scripture says that the devil's the author of confusion. You know what I mean? That's right. Right, right, right. So like when we're all here running around and like they've made our

minds all twisted up and everything else and then now they're providing us the cure in the form of their like AI thing, they can make billions of dollars off or whatever. It's all fucking And we need to recognize who's pulling the strings there. And that is, well, safe. The devil. That's right. The devil. The devil. So I just don't, I don't understand how we're so divorced.

I guess Marks provides a lot of useful frameworks for that. But we're so divorced from even our personhood now that we're just hand the reins over to Uncle Clark, which I got to take your family attached for that. I'm sorry, the uncle's a sacred position. That's correct. A lot of responsibility there. That's right. I'm an uncle, man.

Yeah. It's like, it's just, but also it's like, I think it helps me in this moment that I'm, I'm like, I'm some, some, many times I can be like counter zeitguised or like a skeptic. So, but that's like coming in handy right now. But some of my peers are like, like, yo, we dead ass. like, what are you doing? Like, let's let, like, even a, even a, like, some, not that I don't respect people who use that, I just look at you askance a little bit, but like, my partner, sister-in-law, like, she's a, you know, she's high up at some, you know, this tech company or whatever.

Not, not like a big name one, but whatever. And she was like, oh, you know, there's all these breakthroughs and like, AI and it's helping me so much, you know, it's just getting better all the time and saving me so much time, blah, blah, blah, blah. She's breathless. So she's not, she's not dumb. She's not crazy. And I was like, oh, okay.

But like, if you could quantify, like, how much time do you think it's saving you in your, in the average work week? And she, like, got quiet. And she, like, thought about it. She was like, probably about five hours a week. And I'm like, you're making, you're making it sound like it's ready to replace you. And it's saving. And I'm not saying five hours isn't anything.

Right, right. It's a little amount of time. Sure, sure. But sometimes when you think factory in all the time, you got to go. and correct its mistakes. That's right. That might be a negligible, you know what I mean? Like time.

There was a study that like people who they did a study of, I think it was software engineers, like asking them their perception of how much time, you know, I guess AI tooling, various AI tooling was saving them. And they all like were the aggregate number that came out was like 20%. Like everyone was estimating or self-reporting that they thought it was 20%. But then they measured it. And it was actually like added. 20% more like to their workload so it's just it was sort of like this bad if they had just

done it themselves without sort of you know just going to this machine which I'm sure involves more processes than if you just kind of just set I mean I don't know I'm just assuming for certain types of work you know yeah correct so it's like but but you know what what I take saw another thing I take saw is in is not just that the metaverse one tits up but like the geopolitically like this stupid ass avoidable ass dumbass war is going to hamper i won't say kill but is going to hamper the air i rally because so much of the material um it cannot reach its desk this final destination so it's like you know what we have the resistance to thank for that as well so indeed indeed indeed yeah i think our highest aim should be with any luck you know next couple of years we'll be reading

of my post-mortems, or at least post-mortems about clawed some of these big, you know, models and so forth when everybody was, oh, this is just those search engines with, you know, with a little more firepower, a little more personality or whatever. Yeah, that's right. Well, you know, just to kind of cap it off too, man, it's just interesting to sort of see something you maybe think about, Jay was peers, you know, and people that, like, I'm in my mid-30, so people that I knew grew up as I did, even if I was. wasn't as aware of it at the time during the whole internet bust, right? You know, during the whole crypto thing a couple years ago. I mean, I know that's even more recent, but just the promises of what the internet said it was going to be, especially for people I would think would be critically minded about this stuff and a little bit more wary and suspicious and cautious about kind of like, you know, just

drinking this, you know, futurist slop, you know, this future hustling is what I call it, man. That's right. I don't like that. You're subscribing to this future hustling, man. And you think the people would know a lot better. I guess like, you know, it's a, the shiny chrome-plated thing, you know, that's just over the horizon that future is more appealing to people than the horrors that we're currently undergoing right now. That's right.

No, I like that. They think they future hustling, but they're hustling in reverse. They're retroactively hustling. That's right. A temperally hud, though, I can't post her post. I'm going to quad some businesses here about the hustling. Well, listening in closing, that would be remiss if we didn't talk about the death of Oh, my brother.

Ted Turner. My brother, fellow Atlanta. You're a fellow ATL and Ted Turner. And one summer calling maybe the only good billionaire. I'm not willing to go that far. Ted Turner, you brought me many years of enjoyable. I'll be a facetious here, but a lot of what people, I mean, to do. I don't know, man.

I feel like I should know more of this media mogul considering that I watched many of his networks, you know, called many reruns of, you know, Superman, you know, even though it was a little bit edited for time, you know, cartoon network especially. But yeah, man, I don't know. CNN, dude, actually. Turner Classic movies. I don't know, we got TCM heads out there? Yes, TCM, man. Yo, when cable, when cable was actually, it's funny, too, for him to. die and it's like I mean not funny for him it is funny for him to die and he's an

old man I'm saying like it's impossible for this nigga to die he was like what I mean to say that it's funny for him to die at a tie with cable is just kind of on the downturn where more people less people are subscribing to cable never before because they're cutting the cord because of stream of services you know I feel like his his death is maybe a signifier you know for the end of an era you know what I mean yeah I like that you think you think Jane going to show up to the fune and cut up? I hope she does. Okay.

You know, I hope she, I hope it's giving like classy. You remember, maybe I, I mean, you all were alive. You remember when Sunny died and Cher was like, she got up and she gave his, she gave his eulogy and she was just like, it was like, even though they were, you know, they've been long time divorced. It was like moving, you know, just she was, you know, it was heart wrenching, but sweet. and dada and she was the only one who could do it. I hope Jane gets up there and I hope she

gives him a send-off. But I don't know if they were, I don't know if they were on like bad terms. I think they were on good terms. She, I think her comment on me, she was like, he was the only man I ever knew that let me know he needed me. Which is a very sweet thing to say.

That is. Yeah, I want Jane to send him off. Well, here's how I'm going to send him off is just by recapping his controversial statements tab on Wikipedia. And I got to say, as far as billionaires go, some pretty good stuff here. Okay. All right. It says his pension for controversial statements earn him the nicknames the mouth of the South and Captain Outrageous.

These nicknames are attributed due to his outspoken nature. Turner was said to have leaned into the Captain Outrageous Behavior and Name, which was noted to have influenced similar moguls to act in the same manner. In 1991, after Turner and his then-wife Jane Fonda were shown on national television during the tomahawk chop cheer gesture for the Atlanta Braves during the world series there was an uproar from native American groups and Native American advocacy groups oh no subsequently fond of pledge to not do it again while Turner said that he would he he had been unaware of the reaction the gesture would cause now nowadays that's refreshing because nowadays people would be like you can't guess you can't do the fucking tomahawk chop anymore okay first of all everything I've done the time I'm not proud of it but

But every Braves game at home, the whole stadium is there. That was America's team in the 90s. Yeah, that's right. That's correct. I'm not just, I'm proud of it. Yeah, but Tom, he wasn't going to stop. He was admitting that it was putting a content. Well, he at least had, he was admitted it could be interpreters a little insensitive.

Yeah, sure. Turner once called observers of Ash Wednesday, Jesus freaks, though he apologized and addubbed opponents of abortions as bozos. Okay. In 1990, Turner once said that Christianity was for losers, for which he apologized later that year. And in 1999, Turner made a joke about Polish mind detectors when asked about Pope John Paul the second. The anti-Polish race, that's a nice throwback. I love that.

Okay. After a harsh response from the Polish Deputy Foreign Minister, Roderick Skirkowski, Turner apologized. Here's where he gets good. I like that. he'll just say the shit and then have the humility afterwards to be like, I said it. And someone who feels some type of way. I don't really care. I don't really care that it offended you.

My bad. My bad, though. My bad, though. This is where it gets good. In 2002, Turner accused Israel of terror. That's controversial even then. It was. He said, the Palestinians are fighting with human suicide bombers.

That's all they have. The Israelis, dot, dot, dot, dot. Pause for effect. They've got one of the most powerful military machines in the world. The Palestinians have nothing. So who are the real terrorists? I'd make a case that both sides are involved in terrorists. Now, Ted, you didn't have to do the both sides isn't.

All right. He apologized. He apologized. He apologized, but also defended himself. Look, I'm a very good thinker, but I sometimes grab the wrong word. I mean, I don't type my speeches, then sit up there and read them off the teleprompter. You know, I kind of wing it. me too brother

in 2008 Turner asserted on PBS is Charlie Rose that if steps were not taken to address global warming most people would die and the rest of us would become cannibals

whoa again Ted Turner come on the trailbillies yeah true we should we should allow to get Ted on for it yeah that's right Turner also said in the interview that he advocated Americans

having no more than two children at 2010 he stated that the People's Republic of China's one child policy should be implemented for us. So I did, I had to ask it when I heard that he died. I asked a close family friend of, uh, oh man, um, ours that, uh, who was also himself a yachtsman. And, uh, I said, well, it was like everything I'm reading about, you know, Ted Turner, like, true. Like, is he like a good sailor? Is he like one of these like, let their, like, what's his face?

the dickhead that bought his way into the pro tennis tournament with his money. What's his name? I forget. Fuck him. Anyway. What was Ted Turner about that life? I said, as Ted Turner is good a yachtsman has his end memoriam suggests. He said, for his time, he was incredible.

Very smart and intuitive. The roughest race in history, the fast net in England, had boats to capsize and 19 died. Wow. He read to the wind shifts and ended up winning that race. Wow. You know what? That's actually an inverse example of what we talked about earlier, about rich people with their money and power feeling kind of invincible, you know.

They take unnecessary risk and they don't have the scale or know how to do it. Ted Turner was about that life. Hey, we could argue about like, you know, accumulation. If any billionaire can be, you know, I'm still on the side of a no on that. As far as they go. Okay. All right. He described the move as brilliant.

He said, I also knew several guys that said, sailed with him and they described him as lots of fun. Jane Fonda describes him perfectly the New York Times article. What a character. So, anyway. Suffice to say, no more billionaires like that. Rest in peace, Ted Turner. I think if you still have a cable subscription, you should probably watch TMC.

Was it TNT or TBS as well? Which one? The Ted Turner Broadcasting Station? I think that was TBS, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think that's probably comic. cast or some shit probably owns that now. Who knows how much has been chopped up? I think Ted Turner's

kind of bitten out of the picture. I was talking to my friend about this earlier. He was dying, Todd, Todd. He was diet, Tom. He was dying. Well, yeah. Well, there's that. But I was talking to my friend earlier about this. He's like, well, you're forgetting his greatest contribution, which is Ted's

Montana Grill, which is an ass. I used to hate walking by those when I lived in Atlanta and I were like, we can really do better. What? What? Is that like a Jimmy Buffett's kind of thing? No, it's like a, it's like a, it's like a mid-tier steakhouse. Yeah, it's like a off-branded, weird off-brandish, like outback, but like American country.

Top of the bottom shelf outback steak out of? Yeah, that's a man that eats it Longhorn twice a week. Ted's Montana Grill is, you know, aspirational to me. Maybe one of these days. Well, you all can help me get to Ted's Montana Grill by contributing $5 a month to get an extra episode every week over on patreon.com slash trillbilly workers party. Any parting thoughts, friends? I do have one. It's a parting neurotic confession. Okay, first of all, I'm a wordist, as we saw by my checking dear brother Aaron of Panacea.

How'd you say panacea? Panera, bro. Panja? Pangea. Panacea. That's what I was thinking of, panacea. But the last time I was on, I kept saying autonomy. And the word that I was searching for but couldn't come up with was sovereignty.

I was really in a funk for like 48 hours about that. Well, in fairness, those are distantly adjacent. You know what? You know what? This is me. Walking in my truth as an imperfect helmet wearer. Well, you know, we're all just crack glasses, Jess. Our listeners will, you know, call you out if you are incorrect about something, but no one did at all.

So. Oh, okay. All right. Well, I beat myself up about it, dear listeners. And I just want to say that I'm going to try to, I'm going to try my best so that that doesn't have to. happen again that's all same here same here yeah citral's non-white asses down and listen

anyway I said what I said what I said I said God damn well thanks everybody for listening once again and thanks Jay for sitting in with us in absence of the boy again Patreon.com slash

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