Trillbilly Worker's Party - Episode 445: A Critical Massie

Episode Date: May 22, 2026

The fellas discuss Trump's very open, public grift reaching new heights, the US's deteriorating relationship with Saudi Arabia, and the very peculiar Thomas Massie/Ed Gallrein primary in Northern Kentucky (among other topics).

May 21st. Democracy has taken a huge blow. And it's been... So after dying in darkness is being bludgeon to death in the darkness? It is. Yeah, the lights are off. There's been a home invasion.

They have put a sheet over your head and they're beating the shit out of you with lead pipes. And... The famous, the infamous... infamous scene from casino. The infamous scene. Oh, yeah. No, like, literally, you're right.

I guess it's Joe Peugee in a porn film. Yeah. And what I'm referring to is this will really go down when historians are writing about this period, about the second gilded age, the last human chapter of humanity before 90% of the human race is wiped down. Before we become Waterworld. before we become sprout gills and become waterborne

they'll refer to this day as a big major day and I'm referring of course to Stephen Colbert's last appearance on television his last show about democracy He died in the dark He died He died

He died Rest in peace Stephen Colbert Stephen died He died He died Did you hear the details of that? No.

It had to do with the Paramount merger. Okay. Stephen Colbert was such an enemy to Trump that his network gave Trump $16 million and fired him. I did see Mark Ruffalo, and I mean, you know, I don't know if I believe this, but I did see him say that, well, he believes that he's on a list with this new Paramount merger. He's been blacklisted somehow, you know. Mark Ruffalo is on a list? Yeah, well, that's what he says. That's what he says.

And I don't remember his reasoning for saying that, actually. But I just thought it was interesting because he's also been an outspoken opponent against, you know, Israel and its war on Gaza. So I don't think that's what he was referring to, but I think that as someone who's, you know, I mean, this guy plays like a fucking green, fucking mutated monster. And I don't remember anything he's done since that's been notable. Blacklisted because he was so roguishly handsome. Yeah, they won't let him do sex scenes anymore. That's what happened when you get blacklisted now, because that's like the only good part to being an actor,

I guess, is they let you do sex scenes. You get to have simulated sex with another man's wife. Yeah, it's like when you get blacklist. That's the only upshot. They won't let you do that. Yeah, it's like no more. That would be funny if it was just like those kinds of sanctions. It's like, uh, you have.

You can only play the Hulk and no sex scenes ever, period. Well, I did see, to your point out, I did see his post that went viral, which someone was like, what we should do is bring back, like, the unconventionally attractive actor, you know, like, or aged unconventionally attractive male actors. I'm thinking someone like Philip Seymour Hoffman type of physiognomy, or maybe Jesse Plemons, you know. So maybe Mark Ruffalo just got too hot in Hollywood now is heeding to that car. to put ugly

Jesse Plainman's got hot again he shared his he shared about He won't know Zempeg bro It's too hot again You know Osempic okay

Yeah yeah I mean What is Stephen Colbert Is he conventionally Attractor Is that why they took him down He looks like a guy From a Norman Rockwell painting

I mean Trump Did say I guess he was Maybe doing the speech At like West Point Or something Over the weekend

And he had a quote although you've got to be careful with these quotes these days because I don't ever unmute videos and so I just take it for granted that what's in the caption is it because like that one tweet where Trump is saying that loyalty outranks law apparently he didn't actually say that

but he said that people tweeted it like he did say it but he didn't actually say that I did see a lot of people say this is this is the last straw and he didn't even say it no How many straws do we have left? I feel like over the past like eight years maybe. Colbert is the last straw for me personally.

That's where the bug stops. That's where, yeah. You're a big fan of late-night TV. When they pull gesture's privilege, that's the sign of a democracy finally having died in the dark. But Trump did say this. He said, I hate good-looking men. We also have the only cadet who earned a perfect score

on every single fitness test. I want to check him out. Look at the muscles on this guy. You know what, man? I would. I would vote for a guy if his one-k campaign platform was like, you know,

give glory back to ugly motherfuckers, you know. I don't respect that. He's going against the tide. There was something recently where he was really, what was it, what was it where he was getting really horny

over some guys? Over the law enforcement out over, wasn't it over the assassination attempt or at the White House correspondent? They were Secret Service. Yeah, it was Secret Service guys. We just, we all, it's kind of funny.

we all just forgot there was a false flag like two weeks ago. Was there another one? Wait, wait, what was he? Where was he being gay at again? He's been gay with the law enforcement. The attempted shooting they staged. Yeah, yeah.

Wait, and he said, oh, at the, at the correspondence. Yes, yes, yes, he said, we covered it. He said, he said, he said something like, maybe you guys said in the group chat. He said something like, I mean, despite the fact that, like, his life, I mean, through maybe the inefficacy or stupidity of this one guy, you know. But, you know, he not only commended,

law enforcement, you know, attempts in, you know, containing the situation. But he specifically highlighted... So you want to fuck a guy. Yeah, but, I mean, basically, you know, he's like, I want to stroke his dick, you know. That's what he said.

I mean, if a guy saved your life, it's really the least you can do for him. Your hands are tied at that moment. No, your hands are free, brother. Your hands are free to stroke his heart cop. If you save someone's life, Why even you don't get that? Let me ask you a question.

A man saves your life. And you say to him, just like in the movies and on TV, whatever you need, just tell me. And he says, well, I can think of one thing I need. And it's your dick in my ass. I mean, getting saved from like a firefighter with a chiseled jaw in like gray, like temples, you know, with black hair, very handsome, even though he's covered in ash. And as soon as he's resuscitates you, so you want to.

fuck. Trump is so clearly a sub in the in the gay sex realm. I mean, paradigm. Yeah. In the yeah, right? Like, it seems like he's constantly like big muscles, big, like

he loves like big burly men who like have big muscles. He's always like complimenting them and like he is. He said Trump is a bottom. I believe he is. I think he's, yeah. I think he is. I don't think he's, he's not doming.

He's not topping. That's a common defense mechanism of the lower classes. It's just, you know, when you're clearly best about, man, just got to give it up for him. It doesn't mean you try to fuck him,

like Trump president, but, you know, you can be it when a man's handsome. You can. You can. You can. You should. You should.

Why were we talking about that in the first place? I love how everything is such a recursive loop that I didn't even remember that there was an assassination attempt I know weeks ago and then Trump got horny afterwards like how many times has Trump been shot at and got horny afterwards dude that is

the pattern that's the pattern I hope when somebody finally somebody finally connects it is a strapping man and not like a Thomas crooks guy I wonder if it's like you know some like he has this maybe

fetishization with mortality you know, which is like sort of, I guess, contradictory to the way he behaves as if he can't die. But maybe what it is and some psychoanalytical tip

is that actually the closer that he approaches death, the more he's being edged towards the, you know, climax. Yeah, that makes sense. It's kind of like auto erotic

asphyxiation. It's like, it's a type of that, like the closer. It's like Ballard's crash. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like crash, you're right.

It's like Ballard, yeah. A lot of people won't tell you what followed him saying, am I going to go out like Stan? And that was him painting the wall with a big cum load. Well, I'm a lot of your status. Yeah, that's what I have. Anyway. Yeah.

He would be the only one, brother. Plenty. Plenty in bad. shot a hot rope. You know, on the verge of death, anticipating his demise. Indeed. You know these things

was nothing in chain mail during the middle ages, brother? Oh, man. How to pivot out of that? How to pivot. It started with Stephen Colbert and ended with ropes on the wall.

Make them all to read. anyway it's been a kind of a strange week I mean the big story in our world I think is Thomas Massey but before I get to that I wanted to talk about a few items one of which is the

ongoing war with Iran and the Trump administration I guess, you know, we're once again kicking the can down the road, trying to get China to bail us out, but also threatening to open up war again, or at least the more sort of aerial bombardment part of that war. I don't know, but something I wanted to point out, and Avania had mentioned this on the episode that Aaron and I did with him a few weeks. weeks ago. But this is in the New York Times. Iran war exposes shortcomings in U.S. military industrial base. And basically, it's about how we have a, you know, $1.5 trillion budget every year,

but we still can't churn out missiles, enough missiles to actually go up against the thousands of Shahid drones that Iran pumps out. Which I just have to note is like a really funny um i don't know it seems in congress with america's sort of underlying consumerist habits you know behavior you know a country of abundance you know but the one thing that like i guess you're not really good at doing

but the one thing you've been doing for my entire life you know fighting wars you know you don't even have the missiles to achieve that you know it just feels like a very late i don't say late stage capitalist maybe late end of history kind of thing or maybe it breaks the illusion that there's an end of history because there's this sort of global pact, you know, or this sort of understanding, right, that's been shepherded by, you know, the Western imperialism, you know what I mean?

Or liberal democracy, whatever question. Who wins? Two rhinos or 10,000 rats? Yeah, yeah. Wait, who's a rat? Maybe a different metaphor would work. No, we are. It wouldn't be racist if you say we're the rats.

fine, it's cool. See what you're saying now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not saying the audience or rats. That was just a meme that was going around. As the black guy here, I can be the one that, like, you know, mediation. I'm kidding. I'm too much racist. Well, I just, you know,

the hack Trump painting the walls of Walter Reed joke. It just through my own confidence. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I understand. Sometimes when you're writing, something happens and you're like, Oh, I wasn't planning on that coming. No pun intended.

I wasn't planning on that. But, you know, that's what happened. That's where the narrative led us at that point. Let me get a good drink of water. We have to recover a little bit. They got a little sexy there. The benefit, the benefit of writing, though, is at least you get to, like, you know, edit it,

like, maybe even 100 pages here. You can't get me things about Mark Rufflow and a sex scene and help me stay on targets, you know. But, yeah, I mean, the, the, the, the, takeaway here is that the United States military, and again, this, so this whole article is basically I want to say sourced, but it seems like it is premised. It seems like former defense secretary Robert Gates is the one who probably pitched their times on this article, or at least they relied on him heavily for the framing of it. And it kind of operates from the premise that the

United States military is so bloated and top-heavy that it can no longer achieve any of its objectives or missions. And it just is this suck on resources and money in the United States economy and governance. And, you know, we've talked about it many times. But, yeah, it's $1.5 billion budget. They make these missiles. They can't turn them out fast enough to compete against Iran's war. production capacity. And it's kind of even got to the point

where they're so bereft of innovation, and maybe I'm getting this wrong, because I'm just kind of reading between the lines here. But their answer to the Shaheed drone is what they call the Lucas drone, which is just like they captured one of the Shaheed drones and then reverse

engineered it. It's like... If I'm getting hit by a nigga called Lucas, I'm not very worried. You get hit by a cat name's Shahid, you're going to feel that thought. You're going to see the lot of Islam after I don't know. I did

would have pointed out too, though. I wonder, Terrence, if, like, if that the aim, because what's that quote, man, like the, I forget, I can't quote it exactly, but the function of an institution or what it is is what it does, you know?

And I'm wondering if that, it's not that it's it's that there are less clear aims because there's too much bureaucracy or it being top heavy as you said but if that actually isn't a function to make sure that there are no aims besides enriching the most depraved people you know what I mean

and war mongering rabid people you know what I mean yeah I think it's probably several things it's political economy is tied up in weapons manufacturing and I mean kind of have to ask yourself like where's all this money go a lot of it's just contractor

blow, right? Like, they don't even, they pour all this old money into what Gates calls old technology, which is like these, you know, tomahawk missiles and certain fighter jets that never do what they're supposed to do.

And also just, they use them, they just will blow them up to do like little exercises. You see the one they did the other day where it's like the two or, I don't know what you call that. But simulating two frogs fucking or something,

two birds fucking. Yeah, it was like a, snails having sex, you know, that they like Richard Attenborough or David Attenborough could be like narrated. The two F-16s circle each other. And a graceful day is before they explode and the pilots eject.

Yeah. And you're like, wow, that's cool until you realize that you just stroked a check for those two just get blown up and they're about you know, $18 million a piece or something. Did it we just like, I don't know if this is the same thing you're talking about time, but maybe it's just like so closely related in time, but

Didn't we just have like an air show where two planes like crashed into each other? And the policy objected. But a lot of people were congratulating, I guess the company or the firm that had engineered that kind of technology. Like just saying like congratulating the fact that there was a near miss, but it didn't happen. Which to me seems like an indictment on. Like, I mean, why are we doing these air shows anyway? It's always like someone, some plane exploding at an air show. Yeah.

Debris raining down upon the stadium goers. just to rapturous chairs as people are getting like struck by strap they end up giving you like umbrellas you know so that you can not get hit by a play part

pretty much yeah damn yeah I don't so it looks like you know the Iranians sent Trump a list of their demands earlier this week I think on Monday

and it's just the same script we've seen over and over Trump said probably by the weekend we're going to be hitting Iran again because their terms are unacceptable. I don't really have any observations here. Nothing to really say. It's just like how many times are we going to do this? You know, the 250th anniversary of the United States is approaching. And it's an open question if we make it there. We might tap out at 249. Listen, brother, man, I wasn't sure if I could make it a day of my 21st birthday. I'm surprised this country has been.

It's a 250. Uh-huh. Yeah, no, it really will be the 250. Like, we'll be doing a pub crawl where you don't even make it out the house. Like, you're fucking blackout by 90. In bed by 8 p.m. Two people have you underneath each armpit dragging you out of the pub? You know what it is?

It's like believers in, like, the hidden hand of capital or something like that, you know, to the degree they actually believe that. I also sort of believe in the hidden hand of, like, U.S., like, you know, exceptionalism, where they just think that like God has preordained us to be the big military baddies of the world that are never going to be like humbled or taken down or anything

that's what Trump's still like in a time when he's clearly I mean directly draining the coffers for you know his and his buddies on benefit and stuff like that's just like out in the open obvious now read something this weekend and said like he had made like 50 something like like transactions that corresponded with like things going

on in the news, you know, like, like, just unprecedented levels of just... What was it? I didn't see that. Making all these big trades that coincided with, like, big news items that were getting ready to break. He'd made, like, 53 of them himself. It's like, it's like, man, you know, when you would see, like, these, you know,

cartoons criticizing, like, Tammany Hall, you know, you know, back in, like, the 20th century, you know, New York. And it's like, you know, the me, the... Not the meme, I guess, now it'd be a meme, but the caricature of the big bag of money being handed to the fat cat with a dollar sign on it, you know? It's like every day this motherfucker is just doing high,

performing like highway robbery, you know? And I mean, I mean, what can I say, man? I mean, they're all doing it. It's not even that it's underreported. It's just like seen as like normal, you know? Well, yeah. Go ahead, Tom. No, I was just going to say to close my thought up.

It's just like, they, like, I think they have the same sort of sense of America's military power in the sense that they're just like, well America's always just going to like come out on top somehow yeah yeah exactly I think you're right because he's doing this in Iran he's like they're opening up they're talking they're already saber rattling about Cuba and talking about going in there and invading Cuba they got this thing in Bolivia now with like you know them promoting like uh whoever evo Morales's like opponent is or whatever you know like they're just they're just doing too much and just like where's the money Where's the actual, you know, mind of all this?

I don't know. It's just... Did you see the... By the way, did you see the thing where they had... If it's true, I don't know if... It was in the New York Times, but who knows what that means. There was this plan... Who knows what it means that anything is the paper, the so-called paper of record?

The gray lady. Who knows? But there was this plan in the early stages of the Iran War to... knock out all of Iran's leadership and try to put Ahmadinejad back in power. Did you see that? What does he doing right now? I saw his name treading on Twitter

and like, you know, for some reason, you know, when something shouts out to you and it brings you back from an earlier time that is sort of hazy for me, what is he even doing now? He was named as an advisor to one of these AI companies. Yeah, he's got like a make-work job.

He probably is, learning how to meditate. But do you remember when he was like the Holocaust Denier Enemy of the Free World 15 years ago and now he's just like hanging out with Alex Carp. I think in the Iranian government

or Iranian political circles he's considered more of a hardliner which is interesting. I don't really know what to make of that like I don't know if they... But maybe more, I mean, I don't know, maybe perceived as more secular you know.

Could be. The Ayatollah perhaps. you know what I mean? I mean, I mean, if that would make sense I don't know. I think that like it actually, now I think about it, it actually makes a lot of sense because they have, Israel has systematically targeted

pretty much everyone in the administration, in the Iranian political governing strata who is not a hardliner, right? Because they don't want diplomacy at all. They don't want any kind of normalization of relations. They want like all out pure war. And speaking of that, there was a, I know I'm already

skipping ahead, there was a story in the financial times that like tallied up the amount of land Israel has seized in the last like year or so. It's like they've seized like a thousand kilometers which for the American mind, I don't know what that translates the miles. Yeah, we don't do kilometers here. Unless we do science

fiction. But what we do know is it includes the Golan Heights and suburban Cincinnati. Yeah, it's probably equivalent to something like that. Well, literally now, Sanctanai. Oh yeah, no, they have actually

see suburban Cincinnati for sure. But, uh, like, it's like a thousand kilometers in southern Lebanon and like this is seen

as like a very large. Probably like, 1,200 miles or some shit like that, probably. Probably. I like that. We're just taking wild stats.

Yeah, no, the Celsius kilometers. It's probably, I feel like it's over, it's definitely over a thousand balls of it. I don't.

A kilogram is 2.2 times 1. Yeah, you lost me, bro. It's 621 miles. Wow, I was actually off. Thank you for checking me. Maybe you were thinking of Celsius and... Yeah, I guess this is like a very serious... I'm an American. It is bad. I use miles.

This is a very like sobering, serious issue. Yeah, yeah. It is. It is. But no, no, that's, um... But I mean, like, I don't know, dude, it just reminds me of Netanyahu showing that map. of what Israel's plans were, you know, subsuming Lebanon and all these surrounding countries and just even what it's doing continuously doing in the West Bank while it just pommels and

genocides Gaza, you know? And it's just, I don't know, man, it's just sort of where, especially in the context of this war, is the United States either capable or even willing to put its foot down, you know? I mean, even just in the fact that, like, if you think about, like, you know, it's expansion, man, and the United States trying to sort of position itself in this way where it's like, okay,

like we believe Israel has a right to exist, but also does it, apparently also has the rights to extend its borders through genocide and warfare. I don't know, man. And the Trump administration being caught, right? In that contradiction and the hypocrisy, you know. I don't think they're even caught anymore, Trump. Trump said this weekend he's polling at 99% in Israel.

Oh yeah, he said he could run for prime minister. Run for president and prime minister in Israel. Yeah, exactly. I don't think there's much of a contradiction anymore. I think those just two things are the same. Well, I don't know if y'all covered this while I was gone or if you'll caught this, but there was a really fascinating story. I haven't seen it talked about a lot, but like the relations between Saudi Arabia

in the United States are incredibly strained. And in fact, I don't know if you'll remember this, but two weeks ago, Trump was talking about forcing the straight of Hormuz up. He's been talking about this for fucking months now. But, like, they had like a specific Hormuz plan that they were, I think, called Project Freedom, as Trump had called. And Saudi Arabia... There's been a lot of those I felt like project, many Project Freedom. We've had many iterations to them. But Saudi Arabia put their foot down there.

You're like, we're not... You cannot stage operations from Saudi Arabia. Like, it's not happening. Like, they thought that was a... an incredibly belligerent idea. And you're starting to see the fault lines, I guess, is what I'm saying. Like, UAE has doubled down on Israel in the United States. Saudi Arabia is way more sort of cautious and just very fed up with Trump just fucking flying off at the handle.

Actually, you know, that's a better way to kind of a phrase or rephrase what I was trying to say is that it's not so much about them sort of maintaining this contradiction. Because as you guys said, it's not a contradiction anymore, right? Right. But it's about whether or not you can still have the supports of these wealthy Gulf states. Like I heard, I think Qatar right now is just, you know, one of the wealthiest countries in the world, actually. You know what I mean? Um, is actually kind of like also seems to be kind of fed up, you know. Yeah. If you don't have those regional partners, how do you continue to do besides Israel, how do you continue to do this?

Also, too, I mean, for the United States part, it's like, you got to think NBS has got a couple old friends in his roller decks with an extra ground. You know what I mean? It's probably not a... Well, Dick Cheney died, but... Yeah, that's true. I guess, yeah, a lot of their old allies are in the ground now, but... Rummy. Rummy's also gone.

But, yeah, no, I mean, like, if this story is true, the people in the Trump administration were shocked. They were literally, like, shocked that Saudi Arabia would, like, put their foot down, say, you know, like, you're not welcome here. It's all right. This is not happening. Like, you have...

tested our patients one too many times. And, you know, Trump just openly says, like, I don't know if you'll remember, like, MBS was at the White House a few weeks ago. And Trump made comments about him that were along the lines of, like, you know, he's a good prince. Like, he does what we tell him to do or something like that. Like, I don't know. He's our lap dog or whatever. Yeah, and that's, I don't know.

It's just something I just keep coming back to over and over, which is something to every American, I feel like, has kids. coming back to over and over is like when does it end where does it finally implode and like when do we get like the final straw yeah like when do we get like late season six tony soprano like you know what i mean like everything finally starts to come unraveled and because it's gonna happen when do we get the end you know where they play that journey song you know what i'm saying in the diner while you know that where do we go to get that ending ourselves i mean dude like i don't know maybe this is like it would be kind of tired if we spent the last 15 years wondering if Trump's really dead or not. He just kind of

disappeared. Well, yo, to that point, dude, I was just thinking about this. I was mentioned it earlier. Like, Terris, this something you said all the time is that we live inside of Trump's brain, you know? And obviously, like, Trump has this complicated, if not just, just grotesque or outsized idea of mortality. Like, I'm not sure the guy thinks he can die or he imagines or maybe thinks about it too much, you know? I don't know what it is. I'm not going to psychoanize this guy, But, you know, I wonder if that is like kind of, if he is the perfect president for this country at this moment in which America can do no wrong. America can never fail, you know. And that sort of like bloated sense, you know, of immortality even, you know, or of power has exhausted itself, you know.

And how that's going to resolve itself because, I mean, this is untenable, you know. When it starts hitting Americans' pockets, you know, we've already seen gas prices. We've already seen like, you know, certain, you know, supplies and resources being sort of strong. constrained and restricting you know and people starting to kind of scratch your heads and worry i just wonder like when is it when americans get when they can't get gas or milk or whatever it is you know but then what does that even translate to i don't know maybe that would be a good place to talk about massy before i get to that i do want to point out i think this is relevant um the slush fund Trump has created for the January

Sixers. I mean, it's what's worth. If I'm thinking about it, if what if, if we had just known that we could be like fucking, uh, welfare dead beats and fucking insurrectionists in 2020 and come out smelling like roses, we missed on the PPP loans.

We missed on the January 6 bus. You know that guy we talked about that kind of accidentally went to January 6th from Eastern Kentucky? Oh yeah. That guy's probably got like 300,000 in the bank right now with his feet accidentally he got off the wrong bus of some shit

well he's probably a pito and all pitos were told together at the capital steps he was like he was like I'm not here marching for our rides yeah he was like

I'm not here for Trump I'm here for the cause of the convention I'm here for the pedophile I'm here for the time honor Grecian tradition of bamboi love

here for the and I will not be assessed I mean allegedly If you're listening to this, sir, it's alleged. It's just that like... What people are saying about you. I just assume if you're a MAGA or Zionist, you're a Pito.

Because I don't really know how... Strong track record there. It is kind of crazy that, like, Thomas Massey got fucking not just beat, but like thumped. Like, by people like really coming out. I mean, I, you know, in support of a Pito. but like I really like, Hey,

Gal Ryan? Or Israel is a Pito state. Well, I guess I mean like Well, Terrence, can I, can I say what you?

I think I know what you're trying to say. I think at this point, Massey's thing about the Epstein file. I was like that's the moment Massey transgressed. It wasn't Israel. Yes, it was eventually.

But the moment he transgressed Trump and got on his bad side was the Epstein files. Right, and I don't mean to speak for you either. But I think this, in my conception of what you say, the way I take it as well,

Like at this point, if you're still supporting Magin Trump, one of the big things for you, besides like, you know, immigration, race or, you know, transgender folk, anything like that is that like you're okay with pedopholes. Yeah, that's, yeah, that's kind of, I, I kind of really. That is the solid dividing line, isn't it? Yeah, it really is. You're okay with pedophiles. It is kind of astonishing to me that like, ever since I was in South Dakota, I, like, started reading about like the progressive era and the gilder. Age. Because the Midwest played a huge role in the progressive era in the Gilded Age, right? Like, you had a fucking commune in St. Louis. Like, that was, like,

a general strike that was, you know, a commune. You had, like, the great upheaval of 1886, the railroad strikes of 1877, you know, populism, farmer labor alliances, all this stuff, right, Knights of Labor and everything. But, like, it's, it's, It's almost like the demands of the current day are like an exact inverse of those demands. Because like one of the big demands of those, of that era was ending political corruption. You were talking about Tammany Hall earlier. Like one of the big points was you've got a lot of graft, you've got a lot of political corruption, that was kind of highlighted by the end of reconstruction in the South and like machine politics.

And so a big rallying cry for politics was like ending political corruption. and reforming morals with temperance, you know, right? And a lot of these other things. And today, it's like, it's almost an exact inverse. Now it's like, we love corruption. We love amorality. We have this insatiable death drive where we have to reverse 200 years. You know what I'm saying?

We're building golden calves and saying, to be clear, these are not golden calves. It's like we long to go back to our sort of pagan roots or something like that at this very base, like, but evil level. Now, not like a return to nature, but a return to our worst, most base instinct. Yeah. And what it is, too, is that we reward like the least of us. I'm not even just talking about Trump, but we were mentioning that January 6th fund. How much money, I mean, I know you'll tell us in the minute of terms, but I don't know how much money it is. It's like, isn't it like almost like a billion dollars or something like that?

I could be speaking wrongly right here, but wasn't it, I think it's one point seven, 776 billion. I think it's like it's supposed to be a joke or not a joke, but like a reference to 1776. It's the same thing, right? Yeah, yeah, well, yeah, well, yeah. Well, dude, like to say that like whether it's rewarding these people, right, or trying to like, you know, rehabilitate ice agents. And I mentioned this in the chat, actually, if you had just got on the ground level with January 6 instead of trying to become an ice agent, a couple years, later. You would have got it.

You would have made way more money. You would have made way more money. There would have been a hagiography around you instead of like people throw a milkshakes at you and tell you to fucking leave their communities, bro. That's true. So let me ask you a question. So I saw this. I kind of ran past this headline.

But I saw something about the maybe he was Cuban or Dominican leader of the proud boys. Maybe he was getting right hit a little because of this. Enrico, Enrique, um, whatever his name is Torres is. Whatever the fuck is. You know the time. Pal Rico, the guy running as Democrat in Texas. No, no. No, no, no, no.

I'm kidding. I don't know that. I don't know that. I don't know that. I'm kidding. I don't know that. I don't kidding. I don't know.

I saw something about like, like, what was the deal with Trump and the proud boys and the January 6th? Like, sort of, what do you call it? Slesh fun? Yeah, yeah, yeah. What's the deal with that? Did you all see this? Well, that's what we're talking about. It's a, it's like an anti-weaponization fund.

It started because, I think it started, if I'm thinking of the same thing, it's because Trump sued the IRS for releasing. Oh, okay. These two things are connected. These two things are connected. He sued the IRS for having his tax information released. But then, like, I think DOJ...

Hold on a second, that. Hold on a second. I thought all presidents had to release their tax. Retire. I mean, wasn't that the whole debate during like the 20 the most recent election?

Maybe it's not the law, but it's like the custom everybody just does it. Like releasing your health records, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know, getting a, yeah. I think it may have happened when he wasn't president, though, like in that interregnum, when we had the intermission, when we had the intermission where the other

scene I was pregnant. Again, I forgot that that nigga's president. I always forget that he was president, but okay, to your point. Anyways, Trump sued the IRS for releasing his tax information. I guess the IRS was trying to play ball, but then DOJ and IRS just came to an understanding or a settlement, which said that they'll create this like $1.776 billion trust slush fund for victims of political weaponization or something. I want to point out, though, that like,

you don't even really need this because the Democrats will keep bailing you out and what I'm referring to is in Colorado the governor there Jared Polis or whatever his name in is released this woman Tina Peters who was they had put in jail

for trying to help Trump steal the election in 2020 the governor there just released her like he just let her go if they did if if they did it impeach Trump or prevent him from running against during these January 6 investigations. You know, God damn well for every fucking, like, like, slack joad acolyte, you know, of his that went to January 6.

And a lot of it, I don't know if a lot of it is because, you know, Democrats see this as a goodwill gesture that will tempt the temperature down. Yeah, they think, like, no, no, maybe that's what it is. That's exactly. I mean, that's crazy. I mean, on my trip this past week, I saw a bumper series that said, free Tina. And I was like, what the fuck's that about?

So she was in prison and they freed her. today or this week and I will give the Colorado Democrats this at least they censured him for releasing her from prison because it's like what the fuck are you doing dude like you're gonna get any points for doing this like no one also these people these weren't they trying to like these like you know jane race six types you know these like right wing militia types weren't they trying to just kidnap Gretchen Whitmer you know what I mean yeah and like like commit acts of vice you know what I'm saying so it's just like, but I mean, of course, these people, because

Democrats, liberals have no sense of like conflict it seems unless it's against punching to the left, you know, or just, you know, hurting their constituents. Like, yeah, I just don't think that they're capable of being like, okay, what is the, what is the, like, how can we meet

out justice and set an example, you know? Yeah. Meanwhile, the right wing is doing this all the time with people who have done nothing at all, you know. Yeah. I can't remember where yeah, we're going to end up. in Guantanamo Bay for fucking, you know, just talking shit twice a week on a podcast. These motherfuckers can lead an armed insurrection and they get fucking 1.7 billion in welfare.

But you know what the Democrats... The Democrats will say this. They deserved it. That's what the Democrats will do. They'll be like, yes, keep them in jail, you know. Yeah, but that will happen. The only thing we've done is begrudgingly vote for these cock suckers for fucking 30 years. I did everything you wanted me to do and you punish me, bro. I saw this thing that this woman in Texas was arrested after she made a Facebook post

sounding the alarm about the water quality in her town the water in Trinidad Texas sometimes runs Brown and when she posted about it the cops came and took her to jail so dude they're finding I'm telling you somebody made a good post about like you know

you didn't hear nothing about criminal justice reform anymore now it's like we need to lock up as many big as possible you know whether it's not like the guy, I'll have me thinking, real quick, you have me thinking, Terrence, you were talking about the guy with a traffic light somehow identifies his license or tag continuously. That is

going to be the future, the model for every fucking one, dude. Yeah, yeah, yeah. On that note, like, SpaceX is going public this week and they've dropped the largest value, the biggest IPO in history. Like, they're obviously way... I'm losing

my goddamn money. I can't... It is all fucking inflated with hopes and dreams. It's fucking, it's completely immaterial. It is completely divorced from reality. How? Tell me how. How?

How? How does a goddamn fucking stupid-ass vanity rocket outfit? How, what's the valuation? I think they were valued at like one point. I think they dropped at like 1.75 trillion. Well, dude, they were, they were, okay, so they were, they were, they were, they were, uh, space X components were used. Like, I think a capsule, like, I could be wrong about this, but I don't components were used in the Artemis 2 trip, right? But I think to your point, Terrence, it's all future hustling.

I mean, we came from like, yes, a public private partnership with the Apollo program with NASA working with private companies. But now it's like you two can have a piece of a pie and invest in this future that you will never fucking see, right? This motherfucker, listen, for a $1.7 trillion valuation, they better let me like, fucking cruise the rings of the goddamn fucking... While some free jazz plays at a very nice volume. Bro, they better have like a pub girl. And the trip better cost $7 fucking dollars. Yeah.

I don't get it. Like, $1.7 trillion to watch you fucking blow some rockets up. Fuck you, dude. Well, okay. here's my thing, and this is how it relates to what we were just talking about a second ago, with the going to jail for the water quality or for the guy that like gets, every Tuesday has to go to jail because the facial recognition software misrecognized him. This valuation is pumped up on two, in my opinion, and I've not read the final fine details,

but like, you know, Musk or someone in his orbit came up, like drew this like 200-page prospectus about the vision for the future. And obviously, you know, we've got Mars colonization and space colonization and all that stuff. But the second part of that,

equally important is AI. And after going out west and coming back to Kentucky and you know everything I've seen in the news

Mark Andreessen going on Joe Rogan and saying like AI is way better worker than human workers like they're not going to call in sick because they have heartbreak or broke up with their girlfriend

they're not going to call in sick because they have a stomach egg or whatever like that I think that the In that same interview didn't he say that introspection's a waste of time that was a different interview that was a few months ago

but he did say that. He did say that. I think that the, and we've pointed this out before on the show, but the whole thing with space colonization

is not to colonize Mars or some rock orbiting the sun or space stations or surfing the rings on Saturn. The whole point

is trying to figure out how to basically still live on Earth after we've made uninhabitable. It's like de-teroforming, right? It's like the project is not figuring out how to terraform Mars. It's figuring out how to live on a earth that we have...

In hospitable rock. Yes, yeah, yeah. And then the second aspect of that is turning every human being either into a robot or just killing every human being that can't become a robot. And so it is quite literally, in my opinion, about shrinking global population by quite a bit. Because, I mean, I mentioned this before on the podcast the other day, but it is really crazy.

And I think that, like, in our lifetimes, you will probably start seeing stuff. Like, if you have a baby, between the months of July and August, don't go outside. Right? Or, like, if you're above the age of 60, don't go outside. Like, we're basically... Well, we saw that last summer, the summer before last, with all the air advisories, with the shit coming down from Canada with all the burns and stuff. Like it's basically, it's getting to a point where it is uninhabitable.

And we've just kind of normalized at this point. Like, I can easily see a future in like 40 or 50 years where it's like, I would love to go to the park today. But, you know, I, my six-month-old, like, you know. And so it's like I, that will be, you know, on par with like, don't smoke around your baby. Don't take your baby outside. Or, you know what I'm saying? So, like, I think we kind of were normalizing a situation where, like, the bios. The global ecosystem is completely uninhabitable or hostile to human life.

Our way of dealing with that is, you know, killing large parts of the global population, either through drones or AI or social murder. Or just environmental change, like climate apocalypse. Yo, dude, so that's like a one thing I did want to point out too. So I was wrong about Artemis as SpaceX being involved in Artemis too. They actually weren't. the next mission that's going to land on the moon supposedly in a couple of years, they're going to be involved in, but they had no involvement.

But to your point, man, I do, I think about this, I think about this obsession, I guess, that Jeff Bezos had that I've heard of when he was in college about sort of, not even space colonization, but sort of preserving Earth as like a zoo, you know? You know what I mean? Like, especially, I don't know if he was thinking about this, maybe in terms of overpopulation, you know, these very kind of right-wing tinge sort of ideas about the future that are more dystopian. But apparently he wants to preserve Earth. And I think that's such a good point that you bring up.

There's all this technology. If the idea what I would like to think of as space exploration being understanding more about ourselves, it sort of works in the inverse, where it's, okay, how do we continue to create, not necessarily a hospitable biosphere on Earth, but a sort of, I don't know, like an environment that is conducive to our continued aims of exploitation. You know what I mean? There is a test facility in Arizona. I don't remember the name of it now.

I read an article about it, though, a few years ago in that magazine Aeon, I think. But there's a test facility in Arizona that the whole purpose is to, you know, that movie The Martian with Matt Damon. Basically, that's what they do in that facility. They learn how to do hydroponic gardening, how to live in an environment. that is completely in hospitable to human life. And I don't think... Arizona is a good place for that.

Arizona is a good place for it. And I don't think that the point is not to replicate that on Mars. The point is to figure out how to do that here on Earth once the entire globe is like that. Exactly. Of basically living in dumps. And the thing is, and I've mentioned this, I think on that episode with Alex Saviniam,

but I don't know how much you guys, but like I genuinely... I don't know how to like put it, but I was thinking about it the other day because I was reading this article in the London Review of Books about Greenland. And I think to me, like what is kind of one of the most unsettling things about the current moment

is how dreamlike it feels, like how surreal it feels. And what I mean by that is like, it is genuinely very surreal to me. that human activity, human, not any human activity, but a specific kind of human activity

called like fossil fuel-driven capitalism managed to change something as massive as the earth. You know what I'm saying? Like it's natural systems, like it's convection flows, it's ocean currents, its atmospheric content.

That is really crazy to me. And furthermore, that we're, We're not doing anything about it. Boy, we've all acknowledged that. But like, we're basically trying to now figure out how to live with that. That, to me, is very surreal. It feels like a dream.

It's like, we're really doing this? Like, you know what I'm saying? It's like our highest aim is not like, how do we solve this problem? It's how do we, like, sort of get the most mileage out of our compromised state. And how do we preserve, like, maybe? While at the same time making sure that nine guys still keep all the money. What's what I'm saying, like how to preserve human life above a certain income bracket. I think that that is kind of the thing.

And I think that like what is so surreal about it is think about the entire, think about the entire like temporal length of human life. Like how long we've been here. And how like in an instant we're about to, we're not going to exterminate all of. of it, but like how we have drastically changed. In a fraction of the time that we've been on this earth and even less of a fraction of the earth has even existed.

Dude, I think about this like just in the last several decades. That's why it feels a bit like a simulation, right? That's why I think that you've got the rise in people saying that we live in a simulation. Because it is, when you really think about it on the terms, it is so surreal. It feels like a dream. It really does feel like we're really doing this.

This can't be real life. And I think this really accounts for the rise in, in my opinion, a lot of apocalyptic thinking, millenarian thinking, maybe more, you know, the more insane types of Peter Till, metaphysical, thinking. I don't know. I just find it to be really, it is a really interesting fact of current politics that not a lot of people on any side of the spectrum talk about, other than the Christian Zionists and Jewish Zionist supremacist.

We have an explanation for it. They're full of it. They're eschatology, yeah. Well, man, if you think about I was thinking when you were talking to Terrence, if you think about the guy hypothesis, right, that Earth is a living organism, right?

Like, if you want to entertain that, which to some extent, in some ways, I kind of do, like Earth is the super organism, right? They were all involved in all these processes, natural processes and the things that we do that infect an environment. And the fact that, like, one species, as expanses as we are,

I think it's a great sort of understanding of capitalism, right? And its ability to completely change the texture of not just people's lives, but just the environment itself and the very Earth itself, you know. And if Earth is a living organism of which we are a part, I mean, we've reflected and just kind of put out our worst sort of tendencies and values and possibly the worst socioeconomic system that has ever been seen on the Earth, right? And it's reflected through environmental degradation, you know, the climate of You know what I mean?

And like, what do you need to change that? You need like a shift in global social consciousness, right? At the very most, you know, at the very least, like, you know, I don't know. I don't know, man. An election? No, I don't think so. Well, that's certainly not on the table. I'm talking about things that feel surreal.

What is it? I missed that, sorry. Aaron said, we need this, not an election. I was thinking, I was thinking about the Massey thing. how his opponent couldn't put a half dozen people in a room for a support party, but somehow managed to up the turnout, 356%

while generating, what, 18 million dollars off of what? Paypack. Like two dozen donors in Kentucky? Yeah, that has always kind of it's a... Well, this is totally kind of... It's related. I swear we're

going to talk about the Massey thing in a second, but like, just thinking about Israel and the United States, it's really not a big surprise that something like Christian Zionism and Jewish Zionism would emerge because both are kind of predicated on these ecological logics

that are like, what if we can completely subdue and control the natural processes of a land? You know how like Israelis say we made the desert bloom? Yeah, yeah. Is that true?

But B, should you do that? That's probably not a good idea. There's a reason it's like that. But the United States is really no different. Like, the way we have altered the natural landscape here is just completely preposterous. It's completely self-genicidal, right? And I don't know.

I'm just fucking thinking. I'm sorry, I'm just thinking out loud here. Just about, like, the nature of Zionism itself also has a kind of ecological premise building. into it and I think that just like all settler colonialism but I think that like I've just been thinking about that like it is an answer to climate apocalypse it's not going to work but it is it is predicated on a set of like technological superiority arguments about technological superiority and engineering capacity that like my work in the short run but in the long run are not going to pan out

Man, I was looking up today because there's been like crazy flooding in Atlanta because there was like, I don't know how many inches of rainfall, maybe over two inches of rainfall yesterday in Atlanta, I think in areas like Midtown. And a lot of that has been facilitated through, you know, neglecting the infrastructure, just cutting down a bunch of fucking trees. I mean, you know, just restructuring through racism, restructuring the city so that not only couldn't black people get to certain neighborhoods by building highways through them, but a lot of the ecological change that was made has led this flooding. And even we're talking about cutting down all these trees with a cop city. If you think about Atlanta being a city in the forest, which will create more CO2, more heat, you know. Yeah. And how much of that is like sort of, I mean, pretty much what Israel is doing ecologically changing the landscape of, you know, of Palestine, of trying to make it inhospitable for certain kinds of people, you know, and that same kind of lineage of racial, you know what I mean, like racial disparity when it comes to the ecology, you know. When I think that that's why they shell out so much money to affect American elections. Like for them, the stakes.

are not just high in the immediate geopolitical sense. They're also high in the global ecological sense. I think that like Zionism, like I said, I think it contains within it a kind of ecological, it contains within a set of like imperatives about ecology and technology. That for them, like they, it is imperative that the United States be sort of put on the path

put on that sort of path dependence of Zionist domination of the planet. And because, like I said, I think that these are all things that are like kind of churning in the ether with each other. Like the United States trying to take back over the Western Hemisphere, trying to take Greenland, entering into the suicide murder, suicide death pact with Israel, and trying to take over the Middle East. it is all one in the same. It is all of a similar thing. And another thing I wanted to point out,

which is like I was talking about this with Tom on Monday on the Patreon, it's just that like this war has proven that there is no alternative to oil. And there won't be any time soon. I mean, renewables are cheaper than they've ever been. But like if we're talking about it at a global scale, there is no alternative. And so what does that mean? What does that mean for global capitalism? It has to have a certain set of inputs that allow it a certain degree and percentage of growth that, like, once you peel that back starts to implode in on itself.

If there's no alternative to oil, then that means pretty much all geopolitical considerations become way more high stakes and zero sum. And way more focused on land acquisition, right? Which, I mean, is the logical end result of a settler colonial society. Or one that is rooted in Sertiloclonia, whether it's, whether it's, sorry, Israel or the United States, I mean, when you get to a point in the climate apocalypse, like, land and land acquisition, who can live on that land and who stewards that land, right? And making it hospitable or inhospitable for certain people, it just seems like this is the natural trajectory, you know what I mean? Yeah, I don't know if you all saw this, but this is from a more perfect union.

Multiple ice warehouses were sold by people in Trump's circle who were sitting on the properties and losing money. More perfect union dug into it and found that some properties were bought by the feds for 10 times their list price. So they are basically all enriching themselves off of land acquisition, real estate graft, that kind of thing. Just the points to what you're saying. It's just like warehousing humans. And the problem is that it is going to be impossible to kill 8 billion people so that non-guides can continue to happen. Oh, they will try. They'll try, but it is impossible.

In the same way that it was impossible to genocide every last Palestinian or Native American and to take every last inch of land, that's impossible. Just back to my sort of Atlanta example, man. What it became is that, you know, with the abolition of slavery, right, even with like, you know, the laxing of Jim Crow, you just find new institutions and new ways, right? So it's not longer about control of the own, like the body, right, of black people, right? the ownership of black people. It's now we want them out of sight completely, right?

You want to concentrate them in one entire neighborhood or a region entirely, you know what I mean, to make it as inhospitable again. And keep using that word, right, inhabitable, right? Or as much suffering as you can inflict upon them to get them to continue to move and move and move, you know. Or if you can't wipe them out, that's what you do. Yeah. Yeah.

I guess on that note, you know, I would like to talk a little bit about this election in Kentucky with Thomas Massey. and we can kind of close on this. There was one other thing I had on the list, but actually we can use the Thomas Massey thing to talk about it. So on Tuesday, Kentucky held primary elections for the fourth congressional district, well, really all over the state.

I think Amy McGrath lost her primary against Charles. Sure, he lost Charles Berger, right? And Andy Barb will now be the Republican candidate in that race. You know, that's an interesting kind of development. But anyways, the fourth congressional district, which is like northern Kentucky, it's basically Cincinnati suburbs. It is the wealthiest congressional district in Kentucky. They keep calling it rural Kentucky, which is a little bit of a misnomer.

You know what I mean? Yeah, there are some rural parts, but it's more sprawl and more like wealthy farm country and stuff like that. And also just right up there right on the Cincinnati skyline too. so it's, you know, it's urban too, you know, for sure. Yeah. An ex-urban. I mean, a lot of urban people probably have fled to that area.

Which, by the way, I actually forgot to mention this. I was on Tom, like, the thing about something that finally clicked for me when I was in South Dakota, especially like in Western South Dakota, is that, like, things like Yellowstone exist precisely because there have been there's been a white flight from urban areas and suburban areas to rural areas. That has kind of been a story of the last

20 or 30 years. And so, you know, rich people aren't buying up branches because Yellowstone. Yellowstone exists because rich people are buying up branches. And they needed a product to kind of like, you know, middle class people are buying

plots of land their calling ranches because of Yellowstone. That's the chain. That is probably true, yeah. I mean, could you argue that, maybe this is stupid to say, but could you argue that like this, I mean, I have a fucking whole book on this, I guess, White Fly by Kevin Cruz, that the suburbs were

created pretty much due to White Flight, you know? Yeah, that's true. And then I think as, I mean, look at Ferguson, as more people are displaced from the urban intercourt into the suburbs, then those white suburbans have to go even farther out. Right. And then so they become excerpts, where they become like gentrifiers of like rural land.

I think there's a lot of that in northern Kentucky in this congressional district. There is also just a lot of... That's mostly what they mean when they say rural in this context. Granted, I'm not an expert on property values in northern Kentucky. Neither are my brother. Trust me. And if there's a just God, I never will be. Yeah. But yeah, no, I mean, so they had a...

primary I guess I just want to get it out of the way and say that I'm no fan of Thomas Massey and I'm not even really disturbed or I don't know what the word would be I mean yes it is disturbing in the abstract sense but I fucking hate Thomas Massey and I always have and I always will

but it's personal it's a little more personal for me it's just he is I don't know directly responsible for the mooncaping of a not insignificant part of eastern Kentucky, which resulted in floods that have killed many people in eastern Kentucky.

Like the blood, that blood is on that motherfucker's hands because he supported mountaintop removal coal mining. While making his whole thing son of Appalachia. Can I ask you guys a question, though, to your point, Terrence, real quick. Like, I don't think it's just depressing, though, that you even have some people, and I can understand if he would use this, his loss, as a way. way to, and maybe we'll talk about it, the power of the Israeli lobby, you know, whether or not it is, you know, what he said about Epstein and, you know, whether or not that was part of it, too,

which was probably mostly it. But, like, isn't it kind of sad that, like, these things that you're talking about now are completely left to the wayside or completely ignored, you know? And people are, like, actually how constituents, his constituents were treated in, you know, Kentuckians and it's more about the fact that no, this was a guy who, you know, was a clarion voice in the Republican Party despite, I mean, this is a time, I guess this is a tale is all his time, right, when it comes to the lesser of two evils. But I don't know, that's just hearing this is just sort of, it's disappointing to see people kind of like, you know, come out, you know, come out of the bat from him, you know. Well, yeah, I mean, I, I, his whole thing about

like, criticizing Israel, getting the Epstein files released, I support all that. I mean, like, I don't have any, you know, I'm not have any, like, strict principle on working with someone who wants to do something like that. But it is also kind of a bit of a Schadenfreude for me a little bit. It's not going to make anything better. It'll make things way worse, actually, now that he's going to. And ultimately, now we're both powerless, me and Max. Now we're both in the same boat now. Yeah. He's living off the grid on the siblings. On battery, but yeah. He's made with the stern and I'm at the, you know, I'm at the back, you know what I mean? Well, part of it is like, these weren't even his constituents in eastern Kentucky.

This is in northern Kentucky. This has been a problem with mountaintop removal coal mining forever. It's like none of the decisions made there are made by the people who live there. It's all fucking people like Thomas Massey who lived on the periphery and got the benefit from the fucking

hollowing out of these places. Anyways, this is like all kind of beside the point. I wish Massey would have gotten taken down 10 years ago for yeah, for fucking allowing the strip mining of Kentucky. Or for any other thing he's advanced, like trying to cut social welfare programs and that kind of stuff. But I do think it is, you know, it is very concerning, beyond concerning, I'm underplaying it a bit.

It is extremely unsettling that you can have the most, what was it, the most expensive house race in history? I think it was like 30 million once all was said and done. I think that there's like a few things to say about it I guess we'll have to get into the numbers a little bit and you guys are at least Tom you're probably stronger on this than I am because I don't know all the details of this but like

Massey was running against this guy Ed Galrain Galrain sounds like a Lord of the Rings of Villains or some shit man like he should have like a metal helmet where horns coming out of him or so shit but he's actually the opposite

he's a boring farmer that didn't even really want to be in this race it's just like somebody had to be on the line you know yeah he he ran for state senate i think or state representative a few years ago and lost i think he's a former navy seal or some shit and a former farmer yeah who the fuck knows though can you say farmer navy seal what is he the new racist status yeah

yeah yeah yeah fitting fitting for where they're at too When you say farmer in northern Kentucky, I don't know. That could, that's doing a lot of work. I don't know what the fuck that means, okay? What you say that's like having a rice patty in Nevada's and shit like that? Yeah. Farmers saw it that it's just a sliding scale, man. You could be the richest guy in town or you could be, you know, have a glorified garden, you know?

It's hard to say. You never know. Or you feel like to all a bunch of slaves. That too. That too. It's funny they call them the planner class. like, what these motherfuckers plant? You know what I mean?

Black asses it feels. Yeah, themselves. Yeah, this is the most expensive house race in United States history. And I think that some of the headlines, obviously, APEC poured like, I think, 12 million into this. That's insane.

And then Trump himself, like, Massey had two powerful enemies. Trump, because he tried to get the Epstein files released. And then Israel because he went against the, you know, he went against the GOP line on Israel. Not even necessarily the genocide, but more so the fact that the United States was giving mad money to Israel. Yeah, yeah. Again, I want to make that clear when people are like talking about Thomas Bassi and dotted out of Israel, that's not Tucker Carlson even. These people do not care about Palestinians, right?

They are truly America first. They have a lip service to it, you know, and like, you know, act. after the fact, like, and probably borderline anti-Semitic, too. And I want to, and I want to, like, make it clear. Like, I'm glad they're saying this stuff that they're saying. I'm glad Tucker Carlson's doing what he's doing.

I'm not, like, trying to, like, at this point, like. That does not mean I think he needs to be the president, or I think he's an honest brother. Right, okay. Yeah, yeah, to that point, yes, exactly. Yeah. You know, I think that, like, to me, there's just a few things that I think are,

are interesting. So, like, this was a higher, voter turnout in this election than in 2022 the last time Massey had an opponent. He was unopposed in 2024, I think. Or at least he wasn't a general election. I don't know if in the primary. But anyways, in 2022, this was a higher voter turnout than then. But I guess that Massey received fewer votes than in that primary.

So 47,000 in this one versus 50,000 in that one. which is interesting. I thought that the voter turnout was quite small, but apparently, relatively speaking, it's a pretty large voter turnout. There's just way more registered voters, but apparently it's like just don't turn out in those numbers up there for whatever reason.

Yeah. So I don't know. I mean, so what do you make of this? I mean, like, I kind of inclined to think that, like, Mag is a cult. Trump, you know, gave out the orders. people followed the orders because Mag is a cult you know Massey had to go down

it's a pretty like depressing I was saying to you guys too in the chat man because this was the most expensive house race um in history so far and uh you know APEC and um you know Israeli lobbies right lobbyist just poured so much money into this race

that like you know is it unironically Israel and like that lobby and just this, you know, bloodthirsty war that's keeping the MAGA Make American Great Movement alive, you know, Making America Great Again, moving alive. Is that, is that, you know, not out of like, you know, any America First Principles at all, but just to maintain this relationship with Israel, which the United States benefits from, and I think we'll continue to draw a lot of its influence from when it comes to domestic policy. You know what I mean? I think maybe you could even see the same thing.

thing on the Democratic side where, sure, I saw a poll today that are overwhelming, God, I wish I could remember the number of men, but like more Democratic voters than the past like two years have been critical of Israel, yet you see the Democratic Party and, of course, the Republican Party doubling down on its field to Israel, right? And that seems the one thing that's, if Mag is dead, the one thing that's holding the coalition together is maybe this, you know, this war, you know, and this genocide, you know what I mean. It's very strange. I think that like the Democrats,

I do think you're right. I think they've doubled down, but in a strange way, they're just not talking about it anymore. It's just like become this like elephant in the room that no one wants to acknowledge. It's because, and then it's like distorting,

in my opinion, it's like creating some crazy distortions in politics. Like, you know, Act Blue shut down the fundraising for that woman in Texas, something, Galindo, Marine Galena? Yeah.

Um, what's her? But yeah, yeah, yeah. It's one of those things were like, I've not followed her that much. I've tried my artist to not follow a ton of elections in general these days. Um, but like, you know, it seems like, Marie Galindo. Yeah, it seems, uh, she said we need to put Zionists in ice camps and all, like, all right. But then I guess she denied the Holocaust. So I, you know, I'm going to take it on that way.

That's what you have to worry about this stuff. You got to just, okay, okay. Yeah, but, but, you know, You know, it is, I mean, those things heinous. I mean, not putting ICE agents. I'm not putting Zionists into, like, ICE detention centers. That's, I support that wholeheartedly. But, like, you know, like, it's sort of like, okay.

So on the other hand, you have these full-throated genocidal candidates. And, I mean, it's the hypocrisy, I guess, right? And they still get to get funded through Act Blue, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And not to say she didn't say anything heinous. That's not what I'm saying. But I think it's meaning to say. that maybe the

Chuck Schumer still gets the fundraise on act as well after talking about how like Palestinians are human so exactly it's just how much is that how much is that actual support for Israel crumbling within the Democratic party itself not the base and my point being is that like

the Democratic Party can continue not talking about it as much as it wants but you're going to continue getting stuff like that so it's like you can I don't know It's just one of those things It's like you've got to talk about

Dude this fucking story Of This video that Ben Gavir In Israel posted Of them like brutalizing And like dog walking These You know

Political prisoners from like Italy And Korea and shit That I guess we're on the Flotilla You know what I'm talking about? These were live people So like They were live people on the Fultilla being paraded around like some 18th century

Yeah Fucking middle Like that's That's insane. Vingavir said they put them in a corral with like armed, like, with barbed wire fence around and with like armed guards up around the top. And he said, welcome to hell. Summer Camps over.

Didn't he also get like a cake with a noose on it for his birthday? I mean, just, I mean, whatever, man. I mean, he talked about this, but just, I don't know, man. Deeply sick country, you can see why Americans are starting to wake up despite the fact that's been a couple years too fucking late. I think the point is, and we've made this point many times, but this is the Confederacy of our time.

It's not a one-to-one, but I'm saying the symbolic location within America's psyche is a one-to-one. I'm saying that it is a problem that we have kicked down the road for too many years, and we've allowed to fester,

and we've not been honest about it. not acknowledged it. And it is now warping politics in ways that are, if you would have said this like 20 years ago, would seem utterly bizarre

and inconceivable. The fact that a fucking congressional race in Kentucky can be the most expensive house race ever, like what the fuck? Due to this, due to this main contradiction of the genocide,

man. Dude, it's so, it's so, oh, can I say it, man. 356% voter turnout increase for a guy that had two dozen donors in the state. And couldn't even pack out a shitty little restaurant for his win party. I mean, you just have to, you have to just think, man, that this, that it only makes sense that this is the prime contradiction now because of the future that we're facing, you know. and for it to have such an outsized impact in American politics, you know, and for it really to be the sort of dividing line now of like,

where are you on this issue, which informs your domestic politics, international politics, and what you want to see happen for the future, right? And in fact, as you said, Terrence, the Democrats are just not acknowledging at all, whereas the Republicans are full-throated leaning into it because, like, it works with their political program, right? You know, it appeals to their voters in a way that I think

disturbs and discuss you know Democrats Democratic voters but what can they really do about it right well it makes such strange bedfellows too

it's because it's like I have no affinity for you know the Thomas Massey's or the Marjorie Taylor Greens of the world but like

you can't dispute that they're principled in a way you know um um when I think that's another part of it too

is that like the Trump program is not about any kind of having any kind of principles or any

coherent worldview. It is all about personal enrichment and pure grievance, right? Vengeance, yeah. Carcissus. And so like, that's kind of the thing. Like, 57,000 people would turn out.

Like, you know, again, no crazy affinity for Thomas Massey, but that 57,000 people would turn out to vote in favor of pedophilia, in favor of Zionism? Like, dude, we are surrounded by unprincipled, sexually deviant, perverted, violent psychopaths. You think they, like, sleep agents, bro? Like, these people, like, who've never been probably activated so much to motivate the

vote before, that they're, like, sleep agents for pedophilias and Zionism. I think a lot of what they did in this one, it seems like, just from, like, and this is anecdotal, I don't, there's no hard numbers on this. but I saw an exit poll with this woman who, you know, looked like she was 106. And they were like, well, why did you vote for Ed Gowrin? And they were like, Massey's too old. We need to get him out of there. Like clearly did not know.

Massey's 55. Wait, isn't Ed Gowran look like, he looked like Skeletor who had a struck, bro? Yeah, Ed Gowran is way over to Thomas Massey. But like, that's the kind of shit they would do, man. I've seen that. That's like old school Kentucky stuff. You go up to the nursing home. you register everybody there to vote

and you bust them out or get them a mailing ballot and you put it in there they don't know what the fuck they're voting for also I guess I guess you can think that Thomas Bassie is older

because he's been in office for a lake of tide so you're just like oh well it's another old fucking office but like you know it is kind of one of those things it's like I saw this thing Ted Cruz had tweeted

the people of Kentucky spoke loud and clear tonight well no one Kentucky district but whatever they want fighters who want deliver who who will deliver real results and time and again

Thomas Massey stood in the way and Massey responded he said could I just could I just say real results pedophilia and genocide like what are the real results there start? Another big issue on this Aaron is AI apparently

Thomas Massey said I proudly stood in the way of your AI data center amendment to the big beautiful bill that would have given those corp companies immunity from the law in fact Marjorie Taylor Green and I got it stripped from the bill did your big tech cronies still let you cash their checks after you failed. It's kind of one of those

things where like I feel like I've had a personal vendetta against libertarians for like 15 years. Kind of because I was kind of flirting with libertarianism at one point in my like early 20s. It's just like for like two weeks. You got to the wrong Paul campaign. By like two weeks, bro.

Okay, okay. It was legalizing marijuana. Listen, brother, I was flirting with black Israelism for a minute. I was going to be a black Israel life brother. So, you know, comparably no, I don't know. I was. But it's one of those things where it's like, if the rule you followed led you to this, that type of deal. Like, I, like, get off your fucking bullshit about, like,

big tech cronyism, chronic capitalism. It's like, this is systemic, you dumb motherfucker. Like, do you, I don't, I don't know. Like, I respect your principles, I guess. If you want to go live off the grid with batteries, that's fine. But you have to have a little bit more of a systemic critique. I guess I shouldn't be kicking Thomas Massey while he's down. No, no, I think you should.

No, no, I think you should because I don't think, I think it's the same issue with his opposition to Israel, right? I can understand the impulse I don't agree with because you think Thomas Massey really cares about crony capitalism. You know what I mean? And this one area in this, you know, region possibly sure, because he's listening to the... His coal mining, his history of record. on coal mining legislation would probably show you he doesn't give that much of a shit about chronic capitalism.

No, or environmental destruction. He doesn't give a shit. You know what I'm saying? The same reason why he doesn't give a shit that Palestinians is being genocide. He just doesn't like the idea of giving money to another country. Well, that country, I guess specifically, maybe, you know.

But yeah, dude, I don't think you're wrong from calling out about that. Like, also, I don't think that, dude, I mean, you know, I get the impulse of, like, sort of a, like, no one likes AI. I understand that, but to your point, I don't think that it rings true for people when you've allowed

a lot of other fucking policies and things to happen that have also negatively impacted them. And if we're talking about coal versus AI, this new technology that's supposed to provide jobs, you know, and just prosperity, you know what I mean? The same way those things about the coal mining

industry would promise to those people, you know? Yeah, I think his career has basically been, like, how can we dismantle social welfare programs. How can we lead corporations like run unimpeded across any kind of

environmental concerns or people's health outcomes or anything like that? And to then kind of turn around and be like genocide is bad actually and AI centers are bad. It's like, well, you've just had to be, you've been forced to draw a line in the sand because you've seen how absolutely rapacious and unprincipled those stances are

when they've been embodied in someone like Trump. And so I'm not trying to kick the man while he's down but it's just like you can't really like this has been my thing with libertarians since 2016. It's like you can't really be at a certain point

disappointed because you got everything you wanted and now you just don't like the optics of how it's looking that they're now taking those things to their logical conclusions and stealing people's land and energy and resources for AI centers

or doing genocide with technologies that you would have been okay with under different applications. And it's just, I don't know, I'm just once again, like, we live in libertarian paradise. They've got everything they wanted. You got bested by the Tea Party movement won, really, in the long time. The Koch brothers, they all fucking, we live in their utopia. Thomas Bassie just got bested by the own policies. He supported his entire life. That's what I'm saying.

It's just somebody just been nested a little bit better. A victim of his own success. Exactly. I got to jump off here. I got to take off. Oh, shit. I forgot. Yeah, Tom's got to go.

Anyways. Well, long story short. Thomas Massey, RIP brother. You'll get a good... He'll get a good... He'll get a good fucking, you know... Plug into the meme going into Valhalla with...

I'll see you at the Waffle House, bro. Gaddafi and, you know... They get a good job at the Cato Institute or some shit. They'll pay him $800,000 a year to say, like, we need less taxes and... You'll land on your feet, Big T. He's fine. He'll be fine. Anyways, all right, well, we gotta go.

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