Trillbilly Worker's Party - Episode 455: Dead As Hell
Episode Date: August 1, 2026The boys talk living with part of your head missing, the growing prospect that the US/Israel are leading the entire world into a massive conflict, and we read about a pastor who has made a replica of ...himself with AI because he says his congregation was getting too big for one man to handle. We have a live show coming up in Lexington, KY on Friday, August 14 @ Institute 193 (doors at 7:30) buy your tickets here: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/trillbillies-live-with-special-guests-devin-oshea-and-jesse-montgomery-tickets-1994899655571 Support us on patreon here: patreon.com/trillbillyworkersparty
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there's any ornithologists out there or people in the birdwatch.
And I showed Terrence this the other day, but there's, my, my backyard's been
commandeered by a family of Robbins.
Oh, right.
Okay.
I was waiting for you to bring this up.
And the other day I was out there observing their ways and their traditions, you know.
They're folkways.
They're folkways.
Strictly from an anthropological perspective.
I wasn't scheming on like snatching their baby out of their nest or anything like that.
I can see where they would get there with the man of my complexion,
but it's not what I had in mind.
So I'm standing out there, and I'm looking up on top of my barn beside my house,
and there's one of them up there.
And I'm like, I thought for a second like I was hallucinating,
like I had like huff some gas or sniff some liniment or something.
I was like, that bird is missing most of its head.
And the more I looked at it, I was like, no.
it is missing, like, from behind its eyeballs and up is gone.
And it wasn't like that because I've seen these birds.
And the other day, it looks like a pretty, fairly recent development.
So I'm curious.
Possibly a hawk tried to get a hold of it.
Possibly flew into a window.
Possibly flew or like kind of got its shit rock.
Like, you know, because their nest is up under the awning on my back porch.
And like they would have to like kind of duck down and it's like a tin awning.
So there is a world where it might have just scorn.
scalped its own or something like flying out of there but it's disturbing every time i see it it's like
something out of fucking bergman or something i have a photo you sent me the photo or i saw it in person too
it is sort of cronenbergian and it's like body horror um but it does make you why but i
there was a video or a photo going around of a unhoused individual in nashville tennessee
probably about a year ago
who was also missing
the top part of his head.
Like Ray Leota and Hannibal,
his brains was just exposed.
And I was wondering at that, like,
what, and he was just walking around
like it was normal, like it was totally,
like things were chill.
Like, what does...
Well, this Robin's doing the same thing.
I sit with grub worms in its mouth every day.
He's providing for his list.
He's not missed a day of work
over this.
You get like rain.
on the brain or dust?
Does dust accumulate on the brain?
You got to walk around with a little dust buster?
Surely having your brain exposed is not...
Well, I know it's not optimal.
But then, like, you were telling me, like...
Your daughter has a hole in her head because she's a baby,
and babies have a hole in their head.
Babies have holes in their heads.
But, I mean, but it's covered over with...
Flesh.
Is that because the skull hasn't finished fusing?
is that what it is.
I don't think it fully fuses or forms until they're like two.
And some of us ever.
Until that time,
they're,
they're tripaned.
So I think they're basically high all the time.
Do you think the people that end up being like real wavy gravy and a little crunchy,
do you think that they're like that their tripanned baby hole just never fused and grew over?
And that's why they're like just been their whole lot.
I've just with no problems.
They wish.
It's an affectation, probably.
Oh, okay.
I remember when I first learned about trepination
when I was in college.
And I don't know why,
but it creeped to me out
and maybe more than anything I'd ever.
Like, I watched an interview
with a guy who'd been trippanned,
like intentionally, so that he could be high all the time.
How did he seem?
Well, adjusted, or high?
He didn't have anxiety, so.
so that so that we've been talking about idioms a little bit off you know off duty and you know like
it said well in eastern kentucky we'll say like if somebody's on the diet or something somebody's
like here have this donut or this cake or this whatever they're bad well i need that like i need a hole in
the head sounds like a hole in the head in certain circumstances may not the idiom might not work
for some people uh-huh especially this guy who would be like well yeah yeah you do
You do need a hole in your head, actually.
It's great.
I think he lived in, like,
Crestone, Colorado.
Like, one of those, like, new-agey places
where, like, there's a new...
What do they call that?
Like, new religion movement,
new religious movement?
Like, there's a new...
There's a ton of compounds,
basically, for various, like, new-age cults.
Mm.
I see.
Very inclusive of people with holes in their heads.
Yeah.
Yeah, a cult of people
with...
A trip and cult.
So,
anyway,
yeah,
you know that place is super crunchy
if I've never heard of it
and it's still in Colorado
and it's associated with
tripan cults.
I stumbled upon it one time.
I mean,
I've been there.
What's the crunchiest
five towns in America,
would you say?
Oh, Sedona, Arizona.
Isn't that one of them?
Seems like it would be.
There's a bunch of that stuff there too.
Touse Crunchy?
Touse is like,
Touse isn't as crunchy as you think.
Not as crunch as they make it look in the movies.
Yeah, it's still...
You know, it's funny, like, the...
There is a Puebla Nation...
Shit, I can't remember the name of it now.
Who...
They're trying to take over, like, 3,500 acres of land in New Mexico.
You mean take back.
Take back, but I'm framing it, like, the...
The libs in your...
Mexico, the outdoors lovers are pissed.
They're like, this is an outrage.
They're pissed that the tribes are just trying to take back.
What is theirs?
Yeah.
And all the arguments against it are like, so people, you know, people will be like, it's just
their land, they should be able to take it back.
And then people will be like, clearly, that's a dangerous precedent.
No, no, they'll be like, clearly you've never heard of the corruption on reservations.
It's like, yeah, okay.
as opposed to the corruption
like at the fucking...
In every major city in town in America.
The president himself
is raiding the coffers on a daily basis.
So what is this like settler colonial colonialism, Nimbism, I guess?
He kind of is.
A settler colonial Nimbie, yeah.
Everybody's for the Landback movement
until they can't, you know,
chug craft beers and watch
Charlie Crockett at Red Rocks, you know,
without some native interference.
It's the Sandia Pueblo.
So I don't think it's that close to Taos,
but you saying Taos reminded me of that.
Now, Taos is not crunchy, really.
I mean, it kind of is, but it's not like Sedona, Arizona,
which is like a bunch of hippies think that Sedona, Arizona is, like,
where a bunch of, like, astrological things line up,
and then there's, like, some crystal.
Sedona, you say?
Yeah, some, like, crystal things.
in the earth.
There's some cosmic significance to Sedona.
Cosmic significance, yeah.
Yeah.
I could be wrong, no.
I might be confusing it with Artesian.
Yeah, I could be confusing with Argentina.
The other place with cosmic significance and not of a good variety.
No.
No, not at all.
But you said Asheville, Tom, I would say it's North Carolina.
It's pretty crunchy.
Asheville's, you know, and there's like, but then you got to think about like all the little towns like around places like that.
You know what I mean?
It's like boon's pretty crunchy, I would imagine.
Uh-huh.
But that's like college town crunchy, so it's a different thing.
Anyway, I'm taking this far field.
Anyway, I've got a bird without a head in this backyard that's like terrorizing me and also like kind of weirding me out.
Maybe it's an omen, brother.
I can't, well, I can't like, I can't even watch stuff like, uh,
you know, what was that show on FX
where they would do like the old-timey surgeries
in the arena?
What?
It's one of them Ryan Murphy-ass shows.
Oh, it was...
This sounds like...
The Nick?
The Nick, I think.
The Nick?
Okay.
Something like that.
It's like...
I thought you were talking about a...
Go ahead, Terrence up.
It's not calling first.
Clive Owen.
He's like...
Addicted to morphine and cocaine.
Back when they would, like, inject cocaine.
Yeah.
Back on, then shoot you right up with her.
Uh-huh.
What about it?
For some reason.
I just don't like, I don't like,
sort of sting punk grotesque stuff.
I don't think you can feel,
isn't that the thing?
Like, you always see videos of brain surgery.
Like, I don't think you can feel it
when people are poking around in your brain.
I don't think there's like nerve endings up there.
So, like, if, like, another disturbing scene for me
was the Ray Liotto.
and Hannibal scene, which I'm with that shitty movie,
but that scene disturbed me because
Hannibal Lecter is eating Ray Leota's brains
while Ray Leota is like sitting at the table.
And he's like, hey, what's it?
What was good.
That disturbing.
Any kind of meddling with the brain
was very disturbing to me as a kid and as a young adult.
Like, it's not as disturbing to me now
because I've meddled with my own brain so many times.
You think there's something...
You're eating your own brain?
Yeah.
A thing we come back to in this show sometimes is like not being at the wheel.
Not being at the wheel.
I think that's the prime example of not being at the wheel if you can just get your brains sauteed and flambay and ate without really knowing it.
Well, yeah, and also, like, just touched and prodding.
Like, if you got that bird and you were to poke around in its brain, could you pilot that thing?
Like a drone?
I'm curious.
I have thought about that.
And then I thought if I just got up there and saw something,
I didn't want to see his little bird brain pulsing out of the skull.
Or, like, another thing I looked up was that sometimes they'll get feather mites.
And so I thought, like, am I just looking at it?
It's like, they just have, like, very tiny skulls, but it's not bad.
Like, he's lost part of his head because, like, the eyes are, like,
kind of half attached to nothing on the sides of his head.
Oh, my God.
You know what I mean?
That's gruesome.
Go get a.
Here's what you're going to need to do.
Go to your local...
Finally, some instruction.
Yes, go...
Go to your local Mexican restaurant
or wherever sells those, like, pinia colladas with the little tiny umbrellas.
And then...
Stick it in his brain.
Well, yeah, yeah, that's fine.
Stick it in there.
Or you could just fashion it to, like, a little tiny belt.
You could tie around his head.
But you need to protect the brains a little bit.
It's like, brother, I'm trying to keep the...
the elements off of that exposed
Naga.
I was thinking maybe you could use
a bottle cap as like a hard hat form.
That is cool.
Well, there are those like
crabs will sometimes do that.
When their shells get cracked or destroyed,
they will like adopt
flotsam from the human world as their new shell.
That's kind of a freaky thing too, I think.
Totally.
Yeah, some pictures of hermit crabs
using Pepsi cans, you know,
instead of an actual shell.
Not what I would use a Pepsi can, you know.
Well, there's nothing aluminum in the sea, brother.
Can't you go find you a bottle from 1987?
Like a Coke bottle or something?
That seems like it be more appropriate.
Anyway, I don't like the melding of creature and...
Human?
It just weirds me out.
Why not?
You don't like it when like a dog or like an ape wears a little costume?
No, in a reasonable fashion, I'm fine.
Like if an ape, if they, like, put lipstick and a tutu on an ape, that's fine.
I'm fine with circus stuff.
I don't like the ape and a tutu.
I like an ape in a suit.
That's very funny, though.
That's funny, but like an ape and a tutu seems kind of like we're having a laugh at his expense.
Whereas if he's in a suit, he's laughing with us.
He's laughing with us.
He's the professional ape.
We're also looking very dashing.
I might have.
Dapper.
Wasn't there a movie like that with the British singer-songwriter?
Oh, yeah.
Robbie Williams's.
Yes, exactly.
Sort of AI-fueled memoir or biopic where he's like an ape in it.
It's an interesting choice to say the least.
I think it, I've heard, he had good reviews.
But one of the more disturbing, I don't know why it stays with me.
And I had a friend leave the theater over this too,
because so we're lying shout out Pete Fields out there if you're out there pal miss you
anyway we were watching House of a Thousand Corpses in the scene where he carves him into a fish
and he's like fish boy I hated that oh no fuck that didn't care for that I don't think I saw that
or have you guys seen a tusk yeah can't do that can't do that either the human walrus hybrid thing
not interested in that that was also the theme of the fleetwood
Mac album tusk.
How to become,
how to expand
your blubber.
Yes.
That's what I got from that too.
So you don't like
when humans become
animals and animals become humans
and they, you also
don't like it when animals crib human
parts and when humans crib animals
animal parts? I guess that's true.
Which I guess somebody would say to me,
oh, well, I guess you've never worn leather shoes
or...
Let me ask you,
And it's a fair point.
Does the,
what is it,
is it a fond,
what is it called when a,
it's a half man,
half a goat?
It's,
a sater.
A sater.
That's what it is.
A sater.
We learned what that was yesterday,
I think.
Because of the,
the company making the weird bail robots.
Don't bring up bail again.
I see Tom is going to take the,
every time,
every time we bring up,
bail the episode goes in the toilet
it's like a curse it's the bail
curse Tom is not even going to
acknowledge the disaster that was
yesterday's episode
I was trying to dance around it
we recorded an episode that
well to say the least it went off the rails
a little bit
yeah
uh huh
so Tom I guess you're not a big fan of the island
of Dr. Monroe
actually I'm going to tell you
I actually did like the island of Dr. Murrow
Tom brings that movie up a lot
I actually do like that.
I guess I'm a hypocrite.
I do like that movie.
But I like the movie more for like the story around it
because they fired Richard Stanley, the director,
and he hid out on the set when they were like finished it
just to kind of like see what's going on.
What do you mean he hit out?
Like he hid in a barrel and like behind the bush and stuff.
Just don't want.
Like see how it went?
I think he was like trying to see what they had done with his masterpiece.
It was like a med, like, you know, like the island Dr. Moreau was like he was doing these like,
uh-huh.
You know, like that Italian, uh, surgeon we bring up all the time that tried to put the monkey's head on the human.
Yeah.
It's like getting fired from Cracker Barrow and then you like hide in a barrel to watch to see how.
Cut a, cut a kni-hole in it.
To see how you get a barrel at Cracker Barrel?
Your masterpiece is going.
What are they doing with my baby?
Well, Richard Stanley's mega canceled now.
but I listened to an interview with him one time
and he has this like tick where he just says
hmm a lot, hmm, hmm, hmm.
And he was talking about his mother was dying of brain cancer
and he cured her with crystals
and she lived for 11 more years.
And he lived in a haunted estate in France.
He got from Sedona?
Is that where he got her from?
Harder someplace with cosmic significance.
But turns out he's also insane
violent sex criminal too apparently so I don't want to like you know
lionizing too much even you know I like my cooks even to have a clean rap sheet
is that include cleanish
did that include Fauci would you hold him to the same standard
hmm interesting all I saw him Fauci this week is that he pled the fifth
to every question they threw that
I think he also admitted that Stephen Miller's wife was hitting him up regularly for advice on how to not get sick.
I thought she was hitting him up regularly.
Yeah, she was like, you up?
You up?
Trying not to die.
Trying to get the Fauci.
The Fauci-Oachie-Ochie at 3 a.m.
You up?
You up.
You up.
That sounds disgusting.
Dude, that guy.
I don't like the way that sounds.
That guy was probably drowning in it.
And you know every time, every time he got ready to go to Poundown, he probably made some Fauci-O-C-Ochie joke.
Yeah, you know, he was.
He was drowning it.
I was like, it's like, it's one of those things because, like, even liberals kind of have to admit that he was, like, clearly, like, craven media opportunist.
Like, he was obsessed with himself, like, obsessed with seeing himself.
Like, you know what I mean?
I don't really have the time
That's the only time during a pandemic
That you is an old
Doctor get they getting played
But people are dying
You enter the live
It's all about she was cracking his knuckles
Sand I knew my ship would come in one day
You're so right Aaron
It was just like
Who among us would
Be on it would be
able to resist that
You know what I mean? Like if you're an old doctor
Like you get the opportunity
opportunity of a lifetime like you know it's a lifetime pandemic you know where we got the
the pandemic air phrase stay home if you're sick come over if you think it is how fouchy coined that
himself that's all he did during the pandemic he just like coined various like horny pickup lines
So why was he pleading the fifth?
That's not going to, I got to say,
that's not going to do a whole lot
to curb the MAGA paranoia
about him as a figure, you know?
He pled the fifth because
Joe Biden issued a blink,
what would they call that?
What is it called when...
FATWA?
Joe Biden issued a Fouchi Fauta.
Fouchi Fah.
The Fouchy Fautwa.
Do you all remember that?
Two thousand twenty three, the Fouching Fowtw?
I'm still wondering what he issued.
He issued the...
There's only a couple things you issue.
A check or a Fahua?
You know when like you're a president and you can like cover yourself with immunity for future crimes?
What do they call that?
You're covering yourself with immunity.
You wrapped yourself in immunity.
Immune.
I guess that's a...
You slather immunity all over yourself.
You dip into the immunity jar?
Yeah.
Kind of what Trump's done.
It's something No Live wants to sort of, you know, confront is that Trump is doing a lot of these crimes largely because there's some precedents for Democrats having done it on a much smaller level.
Pretty much, yeah.
But Joe Biden did that for Fauci when he left office.
He, like, covered, he gave Fauci.
A pardon.
That's what I'm looking for.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
He issued a.
Okay.
Here we would go.
He gave a blank check to continue to do whatever he was in the future.
He commuted this.
What was Fauci accused of?
You're right.
What you issue pardons, blank checks, thought was, is there anything else?
I forget, what else do you issue in life?
Uniforms.
You issue four.
But I, what was he?
He was accused of, I don't think he did anything, really.
I think that was the problem.
I think the issue is that, less we forget,
millions die on his watch.
Yeah.
I don't know.
The conservatives are convinced that he,
because like Rand Paul is leading this McCarthy-esque hearing against Fauci.
And the Biden pardon doesn't cover if Fauci accidentally perjures himself in committee or court or anything.
So he has to just keep consistent.
That's why he does.
That's why he did the Fifth Amendment, so he didn't accidentally, like, perjury.
If the same thing is applied to Trump, he will fail miserably because he's pathologically incapable, if not, one, telling lies, but two, not shutting the fuck up.
He'll brag about his crimes.
Yeah.
They'll go on there, they'll say, Mr. President, like, now you're going before, like, it's the fifth.
Just say fit, you know, like the Chappelle mean, you know, every time.
And he will not be able to do it.
You know, the highlights from that thing,
it was basically like Rand Paul trying to get Fauci
to admit where COVID originated,
to admit that the lockdowns are too severe.
And then like Bernie Moreno was, who is also...
Why would bring the lead singer deaf tones into this?
Bernie Moreno, no relation, as far as I'm aware,
to the amazing band Deathstones
but it would make
him a lot cooler if he was
probably also had a better
COVID response frankly.
I saw some clip of him
I don't know
just doing this fake bravado thing to Fauci
all these people suck
so there's no like good people here
I saw Holly
doing the what colors your tie
just trying to like knock him off his pedestal
and it's just like if I were Fauci
I'd just break character for a second
and say under the
advisement of counsel, I've been told
to tell you to come on out,
you fucking queer.
I've advised you to
I advise you to start living
your truth, you fucking homosexual.
That would be time.
Isn't it a little late, though, to be going
after Fauci? I feel like this is
something or I would have thought this would be something
they would have done, like, you know, early on
within Trump's presidency.
You know, I saw a lot of people
saying that it's because
they want to
distract from the fact that
inflation is higher
you know fucking 12% inflation
the war is going terribly but
Rand Paul's the one leading this and Rand Paul is not a
supporter of the war so I really do think it's just like
the wheels are spinning right
like they just don't have much to talk about now
they're kind of a victim of their own success
so it's just like let's play the hits yeah right
let's play the hit also
also I guess it's just in the general kind of vein of retribution time, you know, going after
socialist or quote communists, going after Democrats, going after journalists, and now Fauci is like
roped into that too.
Yeah, that's true.
Because there's a big moral panic.
It's a big mass hysteria right now about DSA taking over the Democratic Party.
And, uh, I mean, it's everywhere.
I think I even saw, speaking of Bernie Moreno, everyone, I like how everyone, like
Democrats, like mainstream Democrats concerned about that?
Yeah, for sure.
There's this article in Axios that I had pulled up right before we started recording.
Inside House Democrats' fear-driven turn against Israel.
And it's got like Josh Gotheimer in here talking about like you basically, like we're held captive to the left now on Israel.
Like we have to essentially vote against them.
Yeah, like.
You know, you should have thought about that before all those targeted.
killings that your
fucking
baby project over there
in the Middle East is, you know,
pulled out and, you know, all these fucking
children you've murdered and, you know,
just developing basically
the most violent society this side of the United
States of America. Yeah.
Also, some really sick...
Go ahead, Terrence, go ahead.
I was just because also they're
merging the militaries of the United
States. It's real. Like, at this point,
like, anyways,
what were you saying here?
No, I was just saying,
And it's also the implication that it's a really sick thing to say that, well, if we weren't held to task morally about this, we would have just continued supporting Israel.
Yeah.
I mean, it's just a really fucking evil thing to say.
Well, that's that every time they talk about it, they're complaining about how they have to do it.
It's like that scene in Wet Hot American Summer where Paul Rudd has to pick up the shit from the floor, and he's like, uh, like, you know what I mean?
Like, you know what I mean?
He makes a big deal about having to fucking pick up a cup from a floor.
It's just, you know what I mean?
Well, I mean, let's keep in mind the concept of a Shabbas Goy, okay?
So, you know.
How can you be the Shabas Goy?
I want to do research.
Elvis Presley was one.
Oh, really?
That probably, that explains a lot, actually.
Yeah, he was a Shabas Goy.
Do you just, like, sign up?
I don't know if there's a wait list or.
Oh, God.
Or what?
Interesting.
Probably not a great gig in the era of phrases like goy slop and so forth.
Well, it is, I will give, I will give them this.
It is an early instance of the white slave.
Shabba's, shabba's going isn't early.
The pro.
The pro proxelope.
The pro proxia.
The pro proxia.
The pro proxie.
So that's tight.
That's pretty good.
Um, no, the, the, that's that's what.
You know the ad that was running during the Super Bowl of like,
like the Jewish kid and the black kid,
they're like, I understand what you're going through.
We're going to run that back,
but it's like them hatching the plot for white slaves,
and that's where they meet the hands meet the middle.
It's the Shavas goy and the black kid at the school.
Aaron, I think you're right.
I think that the real reason they're going after Fauci is like,
they're really trying to,
they've been trying for at least a month now
to really do a reds another red scare um and you know marco rubio talking about like
communists infiltrating the you know government from cuba the nspm 7 or whatever we talked
about with daniel boguslaw i mean it's like there's um there's definitely a i mean i wouldn't
call it a coordinated attempt it's an uncoordinated uh attempt at a red scare a drunk rambling
attempt at a red scare.
Like you going into
your kitchen at 3 a year
for a glass of water
drunk is fuck.
Yes, it's the 3 a.m.
It's the 3 a.m.
Like, I'm going to eat
an entire bag
of Frito's Red Scare.
The geeked up Red Scare.
Ingeeked up Red Scare.
Potential episode
Tile.
But the
it feels like
everybody keeps booking
Bernie Mariner.
know for things because I saw him on Fox News also talking about how like we need to really
we have to stand up to the Democratic Socialist taking over the Democrats where it's like
okay you're in the Republican Party like why do you fucking care also I like that his name is
Bernie I feel like he's like a bizarro Bernie Sanders yeah well he's um I my ohlo Bernie Sanders
my first introduction to that guy is that um so he's a senator from Ohio and he's
tried, I used to have a connection in Chilicothe, Ohio.
I used to have friends that lived there, and there's a big paper mill there.
And it's like shutting down.
It would like shut down last year or this year.
But they've tried to like revive it.
They've tried to like turn it into some like haute boutique artisanal paper mill or something.
And like Bernie Moreno is kind of spearheading that effort to try to like bring back working class, like white,
white working class blue collar jobs um and so like my my first introduction to him was this as this
republican who is like trying to uh bill himself almost like a josh holly time like you know what i mean
like a man of the people like a populist right winger like mago but like um he's in the news this
week because his former son-in-law max miller uh allegedly although the evidence is pretty
but yes it is alleged um like beat his his wife who would be borny morano's daughter and then like
broke their two-year-old daughter's collar so it's Bernie morano's granddaughter um basically this guy
brutalized uh burning morano's daughter and uh i just saw the picture i just saw the pictures when i
googled his name it's horrifying yeah yeah and um and so but burning merino hasn't said a thing about it
Like, people are pointing out, like, oh, well, you know,
Graham Platner had to step down.
Why doesn't Max Miller have to step down?
And it is kind of one of those things where it's like,
you would think that the person leading this charge
might be the guy whose daughter was victimized by this asshole.
You know what I mean?
But, like, these people are all just moral cowards, obviously.
But, yeah, it's pretty fucked up, pretty wild.
But yeah
The funny thing about Bernie
Marino though
He was caught on a
App I think a few years ago
Trying to solicit one-on-one gay sex
That's what he said
It said literally
Quote one-on-one gay sex
I'm not a pervert
I'm not super gay
Not too-on-one gay sex
I'm just heeding George Michael's
You know
Admonition
That sex is best
one-on-one, which is something I don't think
even George Michael believed him.
RIP-1-Gay-Sex.
It would be great. Like 7-on-1.
I'm trying to have 7-on-1 gay sex.
I'm not a decadent. I think they call that a gag bag.
I'm not a decadent. Seven-on-one's
about my best I can do.
Uh-huh. I think that's
alleged, too, because he claims that his account
was hacked or something. Which is like what everybody
claims when he gets. That's what everybody
says. Yeah.
Uh-huh.
but um
just yeah no
I'm looking for a guy that's just like
yeah I was just trying something new
it's like you're exploring opportunity
just like he took a solid core class
I was like I just saying I'd shake up the old routine
life was getting a bit stale
there's a few news items I wanted to cover this week
um
and
really it has to do
with
We can bracket it off into two things.
Like, I wanted to talk about AI, like this week in AI news,
because it has been an interesting week in AI news.
There's been several items there that I think we should hit.
But before I get to AI,
which does seem to be barreling towards a bursting of the bubble.
But, you know, again, we just keep faking it to you make it,
just what the market is at this point.
Before we get there, though, I want to talk about something sort of kind of related,
which is the impending collapse of the American Social Experiment and World War III.
And I want to tee this out.
So just some light conversation going to the weekend.
Yeah, I posed this question to Tom yesterday, Aaron,
but I want to pose it to you in the audience.
do you think in the human in the grand human saga
and you know going back to the primordial ooze
going to the sea peoples and the Homer and the Bronze Day?
I just want to say something
this is exactly how he teed it up yesterday
before we had to bury the episode
I'm sitting here I'm like man we're having a good episode
and here we go again
carry on Terrence I'll trust you this time
shepherded us through this.
Do you think that there has ever been a greater fuck-up in human history than what Donald Trump is about to essentially walk us into?
And by that, I mean, like, okay, the war keeps expanding, okay?
I'm sure you guys saw this.
I know Tom has, but I don't know if you saw this, but, like, Ukrainians are now taking shots at Iranian ships.
in the caspids.
They're like we need to get back in it?
Yeah, they want to open up another front.
It's been speculated.
Egypt is now getting dragged into this ever-expanding conflict.
The Houthis are back in it, obviously.
And the war just drags on.
It's not going to change.
Nothing's changing.
The Iranians have no reason to trust the American people.
negotiation process
like this
has all of the
hallmarks of a global
militarized conflict
that has no end inside
say it
say it Terrence
you know how
Trump was like everybody's afraid to say
the China virus or whatever
radical Islamic terrorism
and say everybody's afraid to say it radical Islamic
terrorism say what it is
World War III
World War III
A global
militarized country
Fuck you motherfucker
Say it with your whole
Shaz pussy
It's World War III
It is World War III
It is World War III
Is that anti-Semitic dog whistle
Is that why
Is it
World War III or global militarized conflict
Like to say it's
Occupied government
Well we have to submit these now
To a censor
A Board of Sensors
determine whether something I said was
anti-Semitic or non.
So I'm just trying to be careful.
The network yesterday gave Terrence 14 Pinocchioes
on that out of five.
Yeah.
So I'm trying to be careful.
But I also wanted to point this out.
I pointed this out to Tom yesterday.
This is a little wonky, but just
stay with me here for a second.
The Federal Reserve
voted to keep interest rates steady.
So they have,
I mean, essentially, like, they were under, they were expected to raise interest rates, right?
Because inflation is abysmal at the moment.
What you do, and you've got bad inflation, you want to restrict the money supply.
And so a lot of people speculated that the Federal Reserve was probably going to have to raise rates.
I mean, it's been talked about for forever.
Trump was trying to pressure Jay Powell to lower rates.
a lot of people once, you know, the new federal chairman,
Chairman Kevin Warsh got in there that he was going to
actually wind up raising rates.
Well, apparently, they decided to actually just keep him steady,
which is a win for Trump in a way.
It's kind of a dove for Trump in some ways.
Not for us.
Spoiler.
Not for us non-shareholders.
The market interpreted this as a kind of like vote of no confidence
and the Federal Reserve's inability to keep a handle on inflation.
So it's not a good sign.
And once again, we're kind of facing a situation going into the midterms where, like,
I saw a quote just yesterday from Trump saying, like,
I don't care what the price of gas is going into the midterms.
I do not care.
Like, I'm not going to do anything to change it.
Like, this is what it is.
And you can buy it at my gas station for $3.47 or?
or somewhere else much cheaper.
Doesn't matter to me.
Yeah.
Getting used to it, folks.
I don't know.
It's just like the scale, the magnitude of it is wild.
I saw a really funny story in Politico about how the Iran Wars testing Southeast Asia's faith in the U.S.
And they interviewed these diplomats just now.
For the first time ever?
I'm hearing this.
I'm honestly shocked our traditional ally, the countries of,
of the Southeast Asian Pacific Theater.
The gist of this article, the upshot,
is Asian officials are seething about the regional impact
of the ongoing war with the U.S. war with Iran, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And even quotes Rubio is telling them,
like, we're not going to do anything to address your concerns.
Sorry.
And so basically all these countries
that the United States has spent decades
trying to peel away from like the Chinese sphere of influence
are now being like, we're going with China.
You don't understand what I?
We're going with the people not bombing us.
Dog, it just speaks to how good our movies were
when, like, we carpet bomb these nations.
We, you know, made war on Vietnam
and led them to make booby traps
where they shred our GIs through the fucking rib cage
when they fall into it, all this stuff.
Like, we've had a very, like,
I think as tumultuous relationship with that region
as you could possibly have,
and only now are things sourd.
to the point of
well yeah because
I think that speaks
to the volume of
Trump's fuck
that's what I'm saying
yes they have
they've molested
the money that
thoroughly
you know what I mean
it's
it's
it's and it's over gas
prices honestly
it's over gas
prices and
stocks and
I mean
literal stock
like stock capacity
like there's no
all the
the entire world
is kind of like
remember how they have
that
day clock where's the dims that clock
for the gas prices man
oh it's past this past midnight
they should have that it's like a 12 o 5
I think it's not even ticking anyone I think it's just
sitting on the wall like on a wall somewhere
stuck at like 412 p.m.
Well it ruts off
of gas so it's probably not even working at you right
that's right yeah
but yeah no I mean it's it's
I just like I was just thinking
about that I was musing about that the other day like of all
the fuckups in like Napoleon
trying to evade Soviet Union
in wintertime, Hitler trying to invade Soviet Union in wintertime.
I mean, granted, millions of people lost their lives in those.
But it was relatively contained to a specific region,
whereas I feel like Trump's fuck up will be,
like, has there ever been a human being who's fucked up the entire globe?
Every reach of the globe,
while also walking away with money bags full of billions.
Yeah.
And who could have predicted it?
Who could have predicted it?
Mm-hmm.
I mean, it's almost as if his own kind of greed and just lack of concern for anybody else but himself has consumed the entire world, you know?
He's cartoonishly narcissistic.
Isn't it wild that we have devised a world system that can be brought to, it can be brought down or like bent to the will or or or or collage?
under the weight of one individual.
That's, that blows my mind, genuinely.
Whose rap sheet reads as thus pedophile, rapist,
perhaps most sinister of all game show host.
You know what it's like, dude, it reminds me of this Borges story,
Jorge Luis Borges story where this, this map of the world is created,
and it's like actually too down to the dimensions,
and specific kind of like relative to the size of the of the world of the the country initially
and it ends up the map ends up kind of being placed over the first the country and then the city
and then the world itself you know yeah and it's like trump's own sort of like machinations
and it's just desires and every his greed and all of it have kind of overlap like anything else
you know and now that is the layer upon which we live you know yeah i think it's it's stunning like
in an unprecedented way.
It is genuinely
got to be
unprecedented in the annals of
human history.
You know what I'm saying?
It's a stop.
The scale
and the speed at which it happened
is astonishing.
You know, we could talk about
the legacy of Margaret Thatcher
or like all these,
Ronald Reagan,
all these other, like,
bad actors who themselves
deserve to, you know,
rest in piss,
man.
But Trump
just is
doing this at just a
uniquely different level.
Yeah, because it's like
so clearly like, I think
with a Ronald Reagan or a Margaret Thatcher,
they were still surrounded by
several layers
of technocrats.
Serious people, evil people but serious people.
Evil people but serious people who
sort of shielded them from
the blowback or the criticism
or try to manage
and spread around the
destruction and harm.
Whereas, like, Trump is just surrounded by people who...
Trump is surrounded by people who are 12.
Like, you know what I'm saying?
Like, they are literally 12.
They're just purely sycophants.
Yeah.
Well, it's not even that.
It's like people that, like, you know, one season four of Survivor are, like, you know,
advising on, like, very sensitive, high-level stuff, you know what I mean?
Or that's your grandparents watch a daytime TV.
You know, you know, people say Zionist-occupied government and all that kind of.
of stuff.
Like, the, the, the truth of it is, is we're occupied by game show hosts and reality TV
washouts.
Yeah.
And rapists and pedophiles.
Well, that too, but they're not mutually exclusive, you know.
Speaking of that, was Net and Yahoo in D.C. this week?
Was that why Federman put on a suit finally?
That's why the eight put on the suit.
Yeah.
What was up with that weird interview where he was interviewing, Nat and Yahoo
looking at his phone the whole time?
Is that because he's so fucking brain-addled from his...
multiple strokes or what
I saw he's like
approval numbers right now
are like
he's being beat
in polling by like anyone else
like that was like that field
he's been beat by the field
the field
and the field is
undefined
you could run
pretty much anybody
and it would
I feel like you could run
that bird with the hole
and it said
you could run
you could run that the ape
in the suit
that he's so tired
Miguel can run
he'd win in a while
in a wall
no better yet
you know when they just say
anyone at all the random candidate or other
and it's like the Facebook profile photo
if you don't actually fill it in
it's just a silhouette of a head
and shoulder
the empty avatar
wins is now a senator from Pennsylvania
uh huh
yeah
frankly could do a better job
well why was Dan Yahoo in D.C.?
Because the Pentagon needs like several trillion more dollars for the war for Israel.
Like something that's fascinating to me is I don't know if you guys, we sort of teased it out a little bit maybe last week or the week before.
But like the extent to which it has been memory hold that like, and I don't, I do not want to absolve the U.S. of its manifold myriad crimes and its own complicity in this.
But I do just want to point out that.
that this war started with Israel.
They started it.
They've wanted it for 30 years.
They've been priming every...
Longer.
Yeah, 30 or 40 years, right?
Like, but it's been memory hold
that Israel had anything to do
with the beginning of this?
Like, the U.S. is fully taken over
this war at this point, right?
Well, that's kind of what Israel wanted,
though.
They wanted to be called Trump's war.
I feel like that's what they were.
Yeah, I agree.
Well, it's even to the point
where, like, dude,
you're getting the wackiest stuff now because they've,
in the same way that they've tried to obfuscate and,
um,
run away from their association with Epstein.
They're also doing that with their complicity with Israel and,
and,
and they're,
the fact that they got talked into starting what was clearly a,
uh,
uh,
you know,
um,
a boondog.
Like it was a complete folly.
But like they,
the,
the,
they have been trying to like obfuscate.
like Israel's like
complicity in this and like I guess like
you're getting some of the wackiest stuff as a result
like for example like Trump saying that those soldiers
died while
wanting while not wanting Iran to have a nuclear
like it was something like that
it was like something to the effect of like
they said they died because they didn't want Iran to have another
they sacrificed themselves for something that's not even true
like yeah on their way out on their on their way to
what was surely their sudden death
based on my superior
military command capabilities.
They said in their dying breath,
but at least Iran doesn't have a nuclear weapon.
As a missile was headed towards their craft,
they screamed out over the radio.
The last thing we're,
don't have to use the nuclear weapon.
And her last words,
don't let Iran get news.
Does that, like,
how much of an insight that provides into the mind
if someone that that's the fantasy they construct
about someone's last moment.
I mean, it's,
it comes from the kind of person who would, like,
tap on Lizzie Grimm's casket.
That's exactly, somebody who has no respect
for human life whatsoever.
It, like, doesn't, like,
doesn't quite understand, like, how insensitive,
like, these small gestures are
just because he's so self-absorbed, you know?
Not that, I think it'd been fine to piss
on Lindsey Graham's casket, frankly, but, you know.
I think things are so,
stupid that I feel like it's easy to like bag on Trump but it's also so stupid that I think even
if Kamala was president she probably would have said something similar like genuinely because like
I said the complicity and role of Israelness cannot ever be acknowledged now you remember what you
remember when Marco Rubio slipped up in like March or April and was like we had to hit them because
Israel said and he got in a lot of trouble for it and they sideline them for like a month and now
he's back out you know out there doing the rounds but
The Vice Roy of Grand Columbia or whatever.
Yeah.
But they have been running away from that for three months.
And like I said, like even a Democrat administration
would probably wind up saying something similar at this point.
Like those soldiers died for them not to get mixed.
I mean, Kamala Harris did say at the convention
that she wants the U.S. to have the most lethal fighting force in the world.
Yeah.
Honestly, there's no daylight between that and Pete Hanks' remarks about it.
100%.
100%.
What did he say?
percent lethality.
Well, you know, you're getting that,
but I think you didn't anticipate
our losses in that.
I just like that, like,
you give lethality a percentage
and not as if, like, it's a zero-sum
game to die or you're lying.
Hey, listen here, Princeton,
boy, it's implied in the name.
Dumb fuck.
Oh, shit.
Well, I think, did it, Yahoo,
was he basically here to shore up support for the war?
Is that why he was here?
I assume.
I think it's because there's a big budget fight right now in Congress.
Like the House just passed a like $97 billion budget or something.
And most of that money is for the Iran War, but they want more money.
Like Pete Hegsteth had to go to Congress and ask for more money.
They want more money so they can make more missiles and all this.
but another big part of that budget in me and Tom talked a little bit about this yesterday
is Trump wanting to pass that Save America Act
and so for them to be able to pass this act
like they have to have like $10 billion to implement it
because the Save America Act is basically like you would have to require
and I'm kind of firing at the I'm playing a little fast and loose here
but I don't see how I don't see any other way how you would enforce something like this
But the Save America Act basically requires every American to show a birth certificate when you go vote.
So I don't know how the fuck you would actually enforce that other than like ice agents at polling stations.
Yeah, literally.
But these motherfuckers are so stupid that you could probably just like make one in like, you know, Microsoft Word or some shit like that.
You know what I'm saying?
It just presented to like you could draw with children's crayons.
Comic Sans font.
Well, you all, you all jest, but I swear to God, I did vote using a recall notice on my 23
Tacoma.
So there is precedence for identifying yourself through things like that.
No, I'm just going to use a crayon and just draw a stick figure and put my name over it.
But USA citizen with the S backwards problem.
Yeah.
And Ice God's go, okay.
You can go in and vote.
All right, no vote, man.
I got my two.
I got my two.
Well, yeah, no, I mean, so that's the,
that's the immediate future we're looking at.
World War III,
ice stations at bowling locations,
which I don't even give a fuck at this point.
I'm probably never going to vote again in my life.
They have nothing to worry about.
And enjoy.
In my precinct, you're going to have the easiest day on the job ever.
And hyperinflation, we're probably going to get hyperinflation, I would assume, before the end of the year.
Let me ask y'all a question, though.
What do you think, even if the prospect of losing the midterbs is not enough or just people, yeah, people getting fed up with gas prices and inflation, what would it cause to actually end this?
Let's say there were people who had the will to end it.
The war?
What would it take?
Yeah.
Dude, that's a great question because, like, pretty much every...
Pretty much every incentive has already been thrown at it.
Like, what other...
You're exactly right.
What additional incentive could get it to stop?
Like, because it's clearly...
We keep running up against the hard reality of Iranian control, right?
Which is, like, again, Iranians didn't ask for this war.
They, you know, strategically and intelligently, like, took their only mechanism of leverage,
which is control of the straight of Hormuz.
And that's running up against, like, the hard reality of Trump's, you know,
pettiness and inability to take an L.
Dude, Trump is so petty that he withdrew the nomination of Todd Blanche for Attorney General
because John Cornyn has held it up in order to, I don't know,
think try to get Trump to back down on that $1.8 billion anti-weaponization fund or whatever.
Because Cornyn's mad at Trump because Trump, you know, endorsed Ken Paxton.
What I'm saying here is that, like, Trump created this.
It's a problem of Trump's own making.
Trump could have endorsed Cornyn and got him on board for several other things,
but he's so petty because, you know, Cornyn waited to endorse him for five seconds later than everyone else did in 24,
that Trump had to intervene in that election.
and now he's fucked himself in getting, you know, Tom, Todd Blanche, uh, nominated for attorney general.
So, so he withdrew the nomination.
That is so petty, yo.
That's how in a bit, unable he used to take an L.
He's not like, he's not like a, you know, I think that like a lot of, the hallmark of like a good leader would, you know, being, would be, you know, the ability to know when, uh, you'd no longer have a good hand or something, right?
No one to fold the shitty hand, yeah.
No one to fold them.
No one to hold them and no one to fold them.
That's maybe perhaps what I was trying to say.
Truly the best Trump can hope for us to die in his sleep at this point.
The best he can hold.
The best he can hope for, yes.
And probably like tonight or tomorrow.
That would probably be a good, like the sooner the better, I guess.
A good window.
Then again, there might be like a way to thread this where he dies at just the worst time.
and J.D. Vance has to inherit it,
and we do get my prophecy first unaliving in the White House.
That would be pretty soon.
He'd have the gun strapped on the tape with fucking basket tape.
First Bud Dwyer in the White House.
I've been advocating for this for fucking years.
First Bud Dwyer in the White House.
We want to see it.
It would be incredible if he was to give a speech
from behind the president's desk, you know.
And at the end of the speech, you know, bends down, he opens a draw.
It just pulls out like a luger and shigs himself in the fucking temple.
That'll be tight.
A man can dream.
A man can dream.
I just wanted to do a dress real quick.
I mean, you know, I don't have any, I don't have any stake in this, I guess, because it's not my state.
But that Haley Stevens lady is fascinating, man.
Oh, that is good.
She's a fascinating character because.
Is that the rock'em-sockham?
the internet kids like she's just um she's just there's something about it's
the pizzazz the pizzazz got to give them the possesses but i heard uh or i saw that there was a debate
um between her and el-sayed al-said and she got blown out apparently according to polls done after
the debate so i didn't see it i didn't see the debate itself did y'all no i didn't say i said it's
i don't got a dog-net fight but
But, you know, that's like,
Al-cream, yell, Syed.
Yeah, you might have got the best of me tonight.
And I'll send the boys in, rough yuppers.
Yeah, that's what I'll do.
See, yeah.
You made her sound like a bootlegger during Prohibitioner.
Yeah, I know.
My Prohibitioner,
bootleggar was running into my Upper Midwest accent there.
I don't think it's that much of a stretch.
I think it's pretty.
A lot of those guys were in Chicago.
She's out of the prohibition era 100%.
I have to hand it to you.
In American politics,
you very rarely get callbacks to the prohibition era.
But we should kind of be grateful, you know?
I did think it was really funny, though,
that she had said that El-Said called her an ogre.
And I think, like, the moderator was like,
no, no, that was John Fatharman.
That was John Fetterman.
He got fact checked in real life and through what it,
through shade of John Federman.
No, no, no, no, you got to understand.
Phelman.
No, he's talking about the issue.
He's talking about the actual ogre.
Yeah, he's like, he's the only ogre.
He's the only ogre.
It's just basically on record now that Federman's in order.
She'd be like an ogaret, a female ogre.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
That's pretty cool.
Easy, crazy, pass.
That's have a little heart.
That's the hard at
The hard it
The hard day
Well I wanted to like
Just round up with a few AI stories here before we go
I think that like
It has been an interesting week for AI
I don't know if you saw this
But like
Open AI last week
Came out and said
They were like oh my God
Oh my God
We have the most powerful
We have the most powerful
AI in human history
And you'll never believe what it just did
It hacked into
Our servers
On its own accord
It did this all on its own
Because it's that smart
And it's that
It's that crazy
And
And then it said it like
Did it like two more times
And then like
I was reading like the
financial times article about this
and like halfway through it
I was like why the fuck would open AI
admit this
if it's that big of a deal
right if it's that scary
and then like you know you go down to the comment
section and it's like this is just
clearly a marketing
ploy 100% you know what I mean like they
it is kind of astonishing how much
the entire pitch of AI's
it's basically premised on
AI being the end
of humanity also like it's
kind of not really understanding what people really want out of this.
It's like, you really want me to buy on this AI thing?
Tell me your AI, a suicide bomb, Sasha Baron Cohen's house.
You know what I mean?
Like, give the people what they want, bit.
Your AI assassinated Benjamin Netanyahu.
Uh-huh.
Read the room.
Yeah.
I mean, it's basically when early on with this stuff,
when people are like, oh, AI is gaining sentience.
Claude,
Claude's not with us anymore.
He's suicide bomb being a beer.
All right.
All right.
And then and only then when I say,
all right,
Patriot.
But dude,
it's basically like people were asking
a chat GPT about like,
you know,
self-awareness and ascensions
or if it knew it was a machine,
giving it very pointed questions
with answers that could only lead in one direction,
you know,
so,
you know.
Yeah. Well, you know, I think that stuff has mostly to do with the fact that some people just want to fuck machines.
I think that's at least...
Like, you mean put their dick in a robot?
At least a little bit of foot at that.
And that's only being cool when one person suggested, and that's Pimp C from Riding Dirty UGK from the song, Fuck My Car.
Well, did you all hear, did you all hear, not to get too far away, but did you all hear that, God, man, I wish I could remember what school district it was, what state it was even.
But apparently, they had canceled.
like this kind of deal to have robots
like help be in the classroom because they found out
that they will also be used being used for sex exploits
and shit like that you know
wait
basically this company
that thing this company was contracted
to produce like I don't know
I guess like robots machines
to aid in the classroom
I saw then
I saw one where they
maybe this is the same story
they had
I think it was like a university
was trying to contract out
with one of these companies
to get robots on campus
to stop school shooters
was that
they just ended up fucking them
in a fucking
sticking a dick in a rope
in the school shoot
they fucked the school shooter
or wait the school shooter
fuck the robot
oh I see
that's how they placate
the school shooter
they have the sexy robot
walk up to the prospective
school shooter
and they get to stick your dick in it
And he's like, you know what?
First pussy I haven't got my life.
Sure was mechanical.
I've noticed I already kill anyone even.
Like, that was actually pretty good.
Like, I should shoot up more schools.
Yeah, yeah.
It's like, it's like, the robot goes, the robot,
they asked us what the robot goes to like,
Cleveland Harris's house before.
And it's just like, listen, fellas, you're making the wrong choice.
Also, I'm here to fuck you.
I'm here to blow you
I'm here to blow you
I'm here to blow you
don't know the worst
don't make that poor girl
confess her faith at gunpoint
it is harder
to shoot up a school
after you've just
when you're getting a blowjom
that means post about clarity
you know
you post them I don't let me kill anybody
I don't want to do anything
I want to smoke a cigarette
and laid up
well i don't know if that was a story but that's what i'm going to run with in my
yeah that was that was the story that was exactly the
anti-school shooting sex robots
i mean it's gonna attach to that story
this from the new york times in silicon valley some say an AI bubble would be just fine
um in silicon valley some people
are not worried about an AI bubble.
In fact, they say a bubble might be a good thing.
In particular, venture capital investors
view the frothiness as a necessary part
of the innovation machine.
The excitement created by a bubble
can drive new breakthroughs.
They're thinking goes.
Well, you mean the people that profit off of like misery
and off of like, you know,
things actually not working out.
But guys, listen, if you've already got
$10 billion in the bank,
you don't really give a fuck
by the rest of anything.
You know what I do?
It says here, listen to this, venture funding in the first half of the year hit $413 billion for AI, more than all of 2025.
Young companies that have not released a product or earned a dollar of revenue are landing valuations that sound absurd in one case reaching $32 billion.
I want to read that again.
Young companies that have not even released a product or earned a dollar of revenue are reaching valuations at $32 billion.
billion dollars and there is so much
money sloshing around Silicon Valley that
nearby San Francisco has a mansion
shortage.
Yo, these people are just getting high off their own supply.
Yo. The supply is vapor. It's immaterial.
It's immaterial. And you know the other thing
too, between hearing of a mansion
shortage and hearing fucking
Kevin O'Leary, Mr. Wonderful,
talk about his unicorn watch
that he got like it was like the birth of his
child.
I'm just sorry. It's just like,
it's just like
I'm trying to be measured in my speech here, but you know what I'm thinking.
You know what I'm thinking.
I'm thinking, I think we need to bring Viet Cong tactics back.
Like Indiana Jones type booby-chups?
Might go a long way and restoring that relationship in Southeast Asia.
Like spikes in a pit?
Spikes in a pit through the ribs.
I don't know if this was accurate, but the Russian roulette shit from Deer Hunter.
I think we should bring back the Iron Maiden.
I don't think that was ever actually.
used, but it should be.
So yeah, no, they want a bubble.
And just to like, so that's Silicon Valley, right?
Let's go across the bay.
Let's just travel right across the bay to another story.
This is also in the New York Times, and it cut off the title.
Why did it do that?
Oh, there.
Here it is.
Sorry, it is here.
When his church goes dark, they talk to his digital twin.
This is about...
I gotta tell you, I don't like us already.
I don't like this.
I don't like the concept of a digital twin, not one goddamn bit.
This, and this gets overused a lot, but this was genuinely, this is genuinely lynch in.
Like, we're talking doppelgangers, right?
We're talking like, we've entered the world of doppelgangers, right?
So we know the stakes, boys.
Just so that there can be a mansion shortage in San Francisco,
we're creating false people.
I mean, you know what I'm saying?
Replikins.
So I'm going to start reading here.
This is a long article, and I'm probably not going to get all the way through it.
He had baptized them in his waiters,
counseled them through marital crisis, and prayed at their hospital beds.
Now Justin Lester stood in front of his congregation and asked for their trust again.
I can't lie, he said earlier this summer.
What I'm about to show you might seem a bit out there.
Lester 37 pulled up a slideshow on his computer and started to describe the church of the future,
the one he'd been working to build ever since he became pastor of Friendship Baptist Church
in a forgotten corner of the Bay Area four years earlier.
That's a little ironic friendship.
Also the Church of the Future for some reason intended by white slaves on Mars?
Like, what is the tale?
Actually, this is a black church, apparently.
which adds a whole other layer of, you know, interesting critique here.
He'd arrived in a stayed place of fancy hats and traditional hymnals
where some congregates still considered technology the mark of the beast.
Now the church was using AI to answer emails in planned Bible studies.
It had doors equipped with facial recognition,
podcasts with AI-generated biblical figures,
and a robot dog named Theo who talked to children and recited sermon.
Dio, you stay the hell away from my dog.
You sick, fuck.
Get that mut away from my kids.
I've been thinking a lot about how to duplicate myself, Lester said.
He pulled up a video of the newest member of his congregation as a few people in the audience started to record on their phones.
It was his face on the screen, his voice, his mind, but it wasn't him.
That's my digital twin, he said.
In the last year, Lester and hundreds of others have brought AI into its most.
human form yet by transferring their thoughts
into data and building online
replicas of themselves.
The digital twins can answer in the
real person's voice and apply their thinking
on demand for anyone who wants to chat
online or call.
Hold on. Hold on. I feel like this is blasphemous.
Definitionally it is.
What is going on here?
I was nobody in that congregation just being like,
oh my God, I should not be here.
Like, okay.
God is going to smite all of us.
We have to, we have to do, we have to do this.
We have to just, I'm going to look up the, first of all, the, I know this is like a hack thing to do, but like Webster's Dictionary, blasphemy.
Okay.
And then I'm going to compare it to the Bibles.
Blasphemy is, you know, an act of insulting or showing contempt or lack of reverence for God or religion or sacred things.
The Bible says, exalting yourself against the knowledge of God.
You know what I mean?
Like, you know better.
You can do this.
That is AI to the letter.
Yeah, 100%.
Yeah, and I think to dig into that, like, what makes it blasphemous is, and I don't subscribe
to a religious worldview, okay?
Like, I don't subscribe to...
So you're pro-blastomy, general.
I am generally pro-blastrophe, yes.
So we're getting ready to get this through John to Steyes, is what I'm here.
Yes.
generally pro-blast to me.
I don't subscribe to Christian ethics.
I don't subscribe to a Christian moral framework.
I guess you would probably say
I subscribe to something closer to like a humanist
or existentialist or something like that.
How do you know right from Rome and talent?
Which that is in and of itself
also an interesting question.
But let's just say, for example,
okay, we'll put all that aside.
What is blizzard?
blasphemous about this is the idea
that you, if you are
a Christian and you take the Christian
theology seriously, it means you are an
individual with an individual soul.
And as a
result, you have a relationship
with God because God
recognizes your individual soul
because he created it. If you
create a false replica
of yourself,
that would be an affront to God.
Something that's soulless.
Something that's soulless. It would be an affront
to his own. It would be an affront to
love for you. It is some island
of Dr. Moro shit to bring us full circle
in a way.
It's a grotesque thing,
but spiritually.
I learned something from this
article, which is that, boys, we could
have, we could have been, we don't
adhere to any kind of Christian, whatever. We
could have been doing this this whole time. That's why
they made this, by the way. Like, this is what it
says. Some companies
now build twins that sit on Zoom calls
for CEOs or manage projects
while their owners are on vacation.
professors at Clemson University
deployed them to answer student questions at 2 a.m.
A sex therapist uses her digital twin
to offer individual counseling
to hundreds of people at once.
A man in Berlin created a twin
after he was diagnosed with terminal cancer
so his wife could still talk to him before bed.
We could have been doing this for this show,
is what I'm saying.
Exactly. Well, the most nefarious thing about it,
I mean, besides these rich people
who are just having their twins,
you know, sit in Zoom calls and shit like that,
It's the idea that you never really stopped working, I guess, for the rest of us, you know?
Yeah.
So, like, your twin is still working, I guess, you know what I mean?
Devaluing your own labor.
Totally, totally.
It's like, you remember when we were talking earlier, like Richard Stanley, like, hiding in the barrel to make sure they weren't ruining his vision?
You imagine we're all having to do that now with these replicas.
It's like, what are you doing when I'm off duty?
We're looking out the peephole of our own existence.
That's creepy as fully.
Yeah.
I think one of the most, in my best, in my best,
opinion astute observations made about society lately
is from Mr. Tom Sexton here
which is that we live in an undead reality
like everything is it's undead
like whether you're talking about athletes that still play way past
their prime but still get market value like they're in their 20s
or musicians like fucking Rolling Stones playing into their 80s
or like politicians who refuse to step down in their 80s
or this or everything about boomers
and like them owning homes and not seating anything to the next generations.
This is also a part of it.
It is another extension of the undeadness of everything.
God allows you turns, folks.
He doesn't allow replicants.
Lester cloned his voice and trained his digital twin
using almost 2 million words of his sermons,
podcasts, books, text messages, and emails.
For the last several months,
it had been publicly available on his website and Facebook page for online chats or phone calls.
It had learned to mimic his bent toward optimism, his obsession with the Green Bay Packers, and his casual slang,
but it did more than just regurgitate what he had already said.
It mapped his thinking onto new conversations to provide advice around the clock for people he'd never met who had questions he'd never been asked.
So like God, he could be everywhere all the time?
Omnipita.
Pretty much. It is pretty much that, right?
It's like, it's more like, I'm impotent.
I can be flaccid everywhere at one.
It's a digital version of my mind, he told his congregation.
If I'm a sleeper traveling, you don't have to wait.
You can have 24-hour access to this other version of me.
Okay, hold on a minute, one of his congregants said.
I like the hold on a minute guy.
I want to feel like he has to say.
Yeah.
Let's hear him out.
I like my chat GBT.
I'm okay with robots,
but now we're duplicating ourselves.
A lot of our churches are turning into beautiful museums, Lester said.
We're living in the future whether we're-
As a very Trumpian sentence.
We're living in the future whether we like it or not.
We can't afford the Sith's one out.
Lester possessed a doctorate in ministry
and an abiding love for the traditions of the black church,
but he had been pushing for modernization long before AI.
He had added therapy sessions into the church budget,
Live online polls into his sermons and DJ sets between services.
Can I just bring up the fact that this is a black church?
And I mean, however I may feel about the church, you know, I don't go to church,
but the fact that it was just profoundly instrumental in like kind of reversing the dehumanization
that black Americans had felt throughout like American history and connecting them to themselves
and something larger and giving them like.
purpose to keep going on
but then this is a guy using this
tool of like dehumanizing
himself in the black church
to connect with people. That is a great point.
The trajectory here
historically is a very
great. We maybe
maybe would never shit but you know what?
Now you're talking to faith.
Soul is dehumanized me.
It's really big.
There's an element of this I want to
mention in just a second. I'll get to it.
That made my fucking head spin.
or maybe look twice, but he clicked through a dozen more slides about how his congregates could use AI to drive their investment decisions, market their businesses, or interact with different parts of the Bible.
He told them he had been finding inspiration lately in the story of Paul, who started churches all over the Mediterranean world.
Paul was sometimes shipwrecked or in prison, so he relied on the cutting-edge technology of the time to continue his work.
He wrote letters to extend his presence so his ideas could travel beyond his body.
that's a hilarious argument
he used writing
a very human thing
to disseminate his ideas
it's right it's like do we need to invent the wheel
reinvent the weird you could just write
you could do what Paul did
now he's trying to argue that routing was the
a of its time
yes
oh my god
now Lester looked out at his congregants and pointed
to a quote framed on the wall.
We reach those no one reaches by doing what no one is doing.
We have to stop being scared of AI and start using it as a tool.
If we steward this technology correctly, it can bring more people to God.
He looked around the room as his congregate's stick notes.
And then one woman raised her hand.
My brain is on overload.
Is there anything this technology can't do?
I know, right?
Lester said.
That does not sound like a real quote.
But you know, like when she said that, she was just like watching videos of what if Elvis
was Dale Earnhardt actually.
So it talks about, like, a little bit about his background.
He did have a kind of a maybe a little bit of a fucked up adolescence,
but he was also a pastor's kid, which this kind of makes sense.
Which is a recipe for that.
He said the congregation kept growing.
He was traveling almost every week to preacher advise other church leaders on AI adapt
adaptation. It was impossible
to pastor hundreds of people with the same intimacy.
Instead of asking him for prayers,
the teens at church wanted him to pose for selfies.
Once Sunday, he shook a young woman's hand after church and then watched
her walk to the car and began chatting on her phone with his
digital twin.
There's a cute guy.
Dude, the replicants are going to be the sex
criminals of the future.
Like,
are the AI replicants to have plausible
deniability when you invariably get,
get, you know, publicly humiliated?
That's a good question.
If you take some fucking...
Well, there was the guy that had...
In group chat the other day,
there was some, like, Wall Street guy or something
or some finance guy that said that his autism
was why he committed all these heinous sex crimes.
Like, the future is going to go back out.
The kind of autism that makes you commit sex crime?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I've got violent crime autism.
But, like, we're just going to be blaming our bad
behavior on the replicants or
well this is an interesting thing because like let's say
let's say you take advice from just
chat GPT or clot or whatever to
do whatever the fuck you want to
like it advises you to make a bomb
and you want to play at a school shooting
yeah it's something like that right and so then you say
well like the machine talked to me into it
it adds a whole it all like if you say hey I'm wrestling with feelings
I think I'm going to do a school shooting that just the cloud
would be like hey here's a link for
better help.
Or it'll send you nudes of itself.
Said you the sex robot.
It'll send you the nudes of the sex robots.
Anything you like?
There's a, there's,
you have options.
Wait, wait, so wait, so we go kind of go off of that.
Go to go to that.
But I was going to add, but like adding another layer to this, though, is like, let's
say you take advice from someone's digital twin.
Like, what is that?
What that introduces a whole new legal thing where it's like the digital
twin is based off of another person's thinking, right? So like, would this person originally
have suggested that you shoot up a school or bomb the Atlanta Braves? Well, in the theological way,
in the Atlanta Braves, in a theological way, okay, if the digital self doesn't have a soul,
I guess it can't be corrupted by Satan. So where does that leak? Where does it leak? Where does that,
you know, you know what I'm trying to say? You're right. It can't sin. Exactly.
I can't sin.
That's a good question.
This is one of the conundrums of,
where is our place in the God conversation?
Are we gods?
Yeah, are we?
As Jesus asks, are ye not God?
Well, so it actually gives an example of a young woman interacting with Lester's twin.
The woman wrote to his twin,
there's a cute guy I met but he doesn't go to church.
Is it wrong to have him come to church just to see me?
Nah fam, the twin, the twin wrote back.
There's no wrong reason to go to church.
God can use anything as an invitation.
Wait, wait, is it if you are a black dude creating a digital version of yourself,
is that blackface?
Are you a mute from this?
Are you performing digital blackface?
Are the replicants?
Yeah, are the replicants?
Like the white guys that pretend to be black on Twitter?
or something.
Yeah, exactly.
Man, this is, this,
this is a ethical quandary.
I've never seen anything quite like this.
I think, I think this might be grounds for our first actual
collaboration with the,
the real ethicist.
We need to submit that question to him,
see if he responds to it.
So here's the thing,
there's a tertiary,
or whatever comes after tertiary label,
quadieri?
Quadieri.
Quot.
A cool quondry.
Level of ethics here.
He gets a readout of the chat log.
Like every time someone interacts with his twin,
he gets to read the interaction.
He gets like a little, like chat log summary of it or whatever.
Does he refer to his twin as a twin?
A twin.
What's this year?
The twin was usually busiest at night with engagement peaking around 11 p.m.
And Lester could check a report on its conversations each morning.
In the last few months, the twin had been in conversation with at least 250 people.
Some were members of Lester's church.
Others were strangers from across the country who had found the twin through Lester's website or social media pages.
The twin is most popular for late night distress, one report read.
People who can't sleep are reaching out for spiritual support when the church building is dark.
I'm feeling overwhelmed with anxiety.
One person wrote, I can't find a job and just get comfortable.
COVID, why won't he answer my prayers?
Fam, you're not imagining it.
The twin responded, this season is heavy, but even
in the silence, God is still God.
They call it Demon Town for a reason, brother.
On some nights, the twin converse with a dozen
people at once, breaking down 10-year financial
projections for a nail salon,
while crafting a letter to a homesick
child at summer camp while offering
Bible verses to a woman on the eve of
heart surgery.
I don't think you should be using AI to do any
those things.
Also, okay, okay.
It should be personable.
Here's what the problem is, okay?
You should not have a megachurch.
Every congregation should be manageable enough
that you can attend to your flock personally
without the use of a fucking AI replicant.
This is the issue with like,
when you see megachurch, it's just,
they're just driving volume to make more money off people.
It has nothing to do with whatever.
And like something, look, if you can manage a thousand person flock,
do it.
Sure.
but I don't think you could like, if like, if I can't call my pastor up, and that's the fucking job,
anytime and like get prayer or whatever, like, I'm sorry, nobody held a gun to your head and told you to pick that life.
Like, that is just the job.
You are the person that attends to the needs, the spiritual and otherwise needs of your flock.
Dude, that is, when I was a teenager, I used to wonder, I was like, what does a pastor do Monday through Friday?
Like, what do they?
Mostly wrestle with a crippling porn addiction.
To hear the evangelicals tell it.
But theoretically, that's what they would be doing.
They would be at the church to hear your problems.
Not skimming through Latina Milf's 9.
Not the OVHS collection.
The OVHS collection.
no man
um
does he have to make it speak in a
ab though
does he have to speak like black
does it have to speak like that though
really brother come on man
no
um he owns
a nap he owns a coffee shop
in napa with his wife
the barista is an AI robot
named kinney that could make every drink
on the menu in 75 seconds or less using
its long autonomous arms
now what we're getting to is just
It's just automation.
We get to the real heart of the A.m.
Yeah.
Is there anything about this dude's life that is not automated in some way?
It says I'd much rather be talking to people socializing than stuck behind a counter,
but now the robot's camera needed to be fixed as orders being to pop.
You know what to give, you know what to make this story real like throw a real twist in it?
If like his wife became more attached to his digital twin than him and what night,
he got a readout and she was having like,
She was sexting with it.
That's good, Aaron.
That's good because you have to,
you have to expect something like that's going to happen sooner or later, right?
Like, it's some, some shit like that is going to start happening.
Because it's an idealized version of himself.
Exactly.
And his wife just might like it better.
He might have to move out of his house and his, you know, digital twin will have to move in permanently.
But, yeah, you're right.
It's like this.
It's like our society.
society-wide drive, like, it's a very fascist idea, this drive for perfection is, and I think this is partially explains why like Gen Z kids are having such a hard time dating and, or even just having sex in general as they're, you know, reporting, self-reporting goes.
It's just that like people are so afraid to be vulnerable now, to show their imperfections and their flaws.
Or to sit with any discomfort for any of.
With any discomfort for any amount of time that, like, you start going to automated systems, robots, things that, like, you know, can't sin, right?
Like, yeah, when I say that, I don't mean that in, like, an elder state's been tough enough this generation's week kind of thing.
I just think we live in a uniquely dopamine-driven time that is, like, where you're just, like, kind of on all the time when your life's so well documented that it fries your synapses.
I'm not picking on the kids when I say that.
I think it's a horrible set of circumstances
to have to kind of come up in.
And I don't think that one generation
or one time was better than this time.
The story is the same.
Like they just want to extract what they can out of you
and then just kind of toss you like a banana pill.
But like I think that with like
just kind of the addiction we have to our phones and stuff
in the way like we light up and we need that constant dopamine hit
like around the clock.
It's created a unique set of circumstances
is where, like, if people have to sit with normal human discomfort for any amount of time,
they kind of crash out because, like, even though that's pretty normal.
It's not, I mean, you know, obviously if you had clinical depression or something, that's
like a different thing.
But, like, part of the gig, again, like, you know, is being, you know, uncomfortable, you know,
at times and stuff like that.
And it's even starting to affect art, you know what I'm saying?
Like I, or at least it's starting to affect how audience is engaged with art.
just like in the sense that
and this is not just my own experience
I've seen multiple people say this
or report this like just going to a movie
a serious movie or horror movie
and people like you know younger
people laughing at inappropriate
moments because they can't
process or compute
an uncomfortable thought or feeling
right? So it must be out they have
to kind of filter it through ironic detachment
or something. Yeah. Because they can't just
sit with the idea that well that was fucked up
or that was like crazy or that was like scary
or whatever.
It's not just young people.
There's a lot of people like that.
Y'all reminded me the time I saw a human centipede
when it first came out, and there were a lot of people laughing at the movie,
and the person that I went with was very upset.
And I was like, okay, no, this is a movie they should be laughing at
because the premise is ridiculous.
What if you went home that night?
I was like, you know, that movie really made me want to get my ass eating.
You want to try something to do?
One day, Lester started to build a building.
another twin. This one was for his friend, Claibon Lee, the pastor at Mount Calvary Baptist in Fairfield,
California. Lee 59 had taken over the church from his father and spent the last 30 years building
it into a megachurch with two campuses and three Sunday services. Now he was straining to meet the
needs of his growing congregation as he became a national leader within the Black Baptist community.
He'd come to visit Lester to see if technology could help. Remember, I'm from the floppy disk era,
Lee said, and I don't get a lot of this stuff. I'm not sure I even want to get this stuff.
I thought you said, I'm from the floppy dick era.
I was, okay, I had to take the name for it to process.
Yeah, wait, wait to take a victory laugh on us, pal.
Once you'll see it, once you'll understand, Lester said.
He had taught himself to build digital minds for more than a dozen pastors around the country,
using custom versions of chat GPT or other AI subscription services
to launch chatbots within as little as a few hours.
One mimic to pastor who spoke in,
song lyrics and hip-hop rhythms.
Another was stoic, biblical, and restrained.
One digital twin refused to proceed in conversation
until it learned a person's name
because that pastor wanted his algorithm
to prioritize a human touch.
What Lee said he wanted was a living archive of his work
that could act as a resource for religious scholars,
congregants, and even himself.
He's literally playing God!
Creating avatars for other people
creating, quote, life.
No, man.
Yeah, this is, you know,
Sometimes you need to step away from the biblical interpretation of history and look at the Greeks and just kind of, or Romans, Prometheus?
Dude, this quote is, this quote is insane.
Sorry, you're talking about the Phoenicians, actually.
Atruscans, actually.
At this point in my career, I have more in me than I realize, Lee said.
If I dump a bunch of myself into this, I can use it to sort through my own.
own thinking. It goes beyond my
lifespan. I can bless generations
with the way I approach the text and counsel.
Gas, gas, gas, gas, gas, gas.
He sounds like a villain from like the
Watchman or something. It sounds like
Victor Frankenstein.
He literally sounds like
the dude making the replicants
in Blade Runner. He ends up getting
killed by Roy Batty. That's exactly
what he sounds like. We got to grab him by
the collars and be like, like
history has grappled with this in
story and song and film
and mythology.
for a long time
and it always ends bad
well and that's their thing
didn't he like end up getting
like his liver eating by a bird or something
yeah because he tried to get fired a man
a bird missing its skull
pardon
if it was a robin with missing
half a say of that
well that's a funny thing
the ironic thing that
people say this as an
excuse to use this
satanic technology
which is like look if we don't
use it, we're going to be left behind.
Like, this is the future.
We have to move on.
And it's, it's, you're exactly right, Tom.
Like, there's nothing new about this.
This is actually one of the oldest stories in human history.
It's the Tower of Babel, honestly.
It's like this is, this is one of the oldest, there is nothing new.
I know you, I know you, I know, squeeze a bail call back in there somehow.
Also, it's just very ironic for you to say I have a lot in me.
Apparently you don't, because as Tom said, you're not actually, you know, interfacing with your,
You know what I mean?
Your congregation.
He asked the new model a question about Jesus' miracle feeding of 5,000
and swiveled his computer screen toward Lee so he could watch the model synthesize a lifetime of his research and scholarship
and then answer in Lee's voice.
Blocks of text began to appear within a few seconds faster than Lee could read.
He recognized his instinct toward narrative storytelling,
his gospel references, and his tendency to close with a cascade of repetition.
Huh, Lee said.
Is it good, Lester asked?
Does it sound like something you'd say?
My mind is racing on the Autobahn right now.
Give me a minute.
He looked at the computer for another few seconds,
wheeled back from the screen and bent his head.
It's astonishing.
It's a mirror.
It sounds like me on a good day.
If anything, it's too good.
It makes me worry that it's become a substitute.
I hear that, Lester said, and he began to tell a story about the...
I don't think you do, Lester.
You imagine grappling with the Prometheus slash Frankenstein
slash whatever story,
and then your homeboy's been like,
heard that?
so but then it like goes into this story about how like lester realized though that like it can't
pray at a bedside and that's why he says it's a powerful tool but we can't let it dictate oh yeah you
can't just wheel the computer and right right next to the person's bed and then it's just give it a face
You imagine, can you imagine your dying moments you reach out to the person that is like sort of shaped and shepherded your spiritual life?
And the best they can give you is to tell you to download an app.
Like they guide your head to like a mouse and a keypad.
That's what these, there's, that's what's a problem with the Sam Altman's of the world and the Elon Musk of the world and all this kind of stuff is they are human.
I don't want them to be like they're not human.
They're like, so whatever.
But they don't have a soul.
They don't have a soul to call their own.
I do wonders how much of this is like, because part of me, like, the whole purpose and point of AI is to squeeze more productivity out of fewer workers, right?
Like, it's very obvious.
And look at, for example, like, if anybody works in the school system, like, my mom's a teacher.
like how often teachers in school admin,
both at the university and, you know, primary levels and all this,
like have to use AI to maximize their efficiency and productivity.
Like I, and like in that is a story about like the neoliberalization of the school system and like,
you know what I'm saying?
Like the, you know, using, trying to get maximum.
profit out of these institutions.
Like, I do wonder, like, what does this say about churches that, like, they are feeling
the strain at a sort of administrative or capacity level?
Like, is there, like, is there a demand?
Like, I guess what I'm trying to determine is, like, is there a demand for spiritual
answers right now that far outstrips the capacity for the church to answer them?
Spiritual demand.
Yeah, or is the church itself, like, been neoliberalized where they don't even have the
staff and resources to deal with it or or is it just you know what I'm saying like I did there's
several different moving parts here I'd like to know this is against the backdrop of this country
becoming more um secular you know or less people I guess yeah overall attending church right right
being religious you know yeah that's a good question I don't know it's this article doesn't
answer that because this article's not interested in any of the larger questions around AI
just like every other article in a mainstream institution it just wants to like
sort of navel gaze and you know yeah but to that point and like you know like I
see like the trends of church attendance sort of declining but that also too mixed with a
sort of an American perestroika of a kind like you know during their
perestroika liberalization of the Soviet Union how the there was like this
explosion and interest in the occult and then like UFOs and then like all these different things.
I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with having like an interest or like exploring that or
whatever is a matter of just like, you know, whatever you're into. But like actually seeking answers
in like the to this point unknowable kind of thing, which is it's just an it's just an interesting
stew that we're like kind of in the midst of right now. It gets back to the it gets back to the
whole thing about being uncomfortable because if you are a Christian and this this actually is not
just anybody that's religious if you are a human being the most uncomfortable feeling you can
have is that you're going to die one day and that something may or may not come after that and
nobody might remember you by next Tuesday and it's the not knowing I guess right like what comes
after that and the fact that you have to do that and the whole pitch of religion is
is that you have faith that there is a God looking out for your soul,
both in this world and the next.
But, like, it's also a very uncomfortable thought, right?
Because it is, to have faith is to sit in a sort of hyper-superposition,
like, where it's like you don't know anything for a fact.
That's what faith is.
It's an acknowledgment that you don't know for a fact what comes next,
what will happen, what won't happen.
And so to bridge that chasm in us that, like, you know, is, in my opinion, like, just getting
larger and larger every day because of capitalism, technology, all this other stuff,
we're reaching for these machines, we're reaching for these tools that will provide easy
answers for you.
And I think that...
Yeah, I'm sorry, chance.
Go ahead.
I was just going to say, like, I think that that is kind of the story here, right?
It's a story of like a crisis in faith, like just generally.
And that's not just the case for Christians.
I think it's for people writ large right now.
I think too, to tack on your point there is there is this sense that people don't understand what it is to be fundamentally human is to not know what's on the.
It's the experience of jumping off the diving board not knowing if there's water in there or not.
Pretty much.
Yeah.
That's just what we do.
I know earlier we were, you know, I was picking on my Jewish friends a little bit about the Shabas Koi thing.
but something I take heart in from the Jewish tradition a lot,
and I think about a lot is, you know, there's a, I think, a midrash,
and my Jewish friends could correct me, you know,
if this is like way off base or whatever,
about the idea of like when Moses parted the Red Sea,
and there's like sort of a, I guess you caught a legend
or something along those lines, and again, I'm butchering this,
truly, but the spirit of it is still here,
and I take a great deal of comfort in it is,
it actually wasn't when Moses like said the words and bang the staff or any of that kind of stuff
but it was when a young man named nosham went and just jumped into the ocean not knowing if he was
going to live, die or whatever and then when that happened the sea parted you know that is what
it is to be human is like you got to just you got to try stuff and you don't know what's going to
like I don't mean AI but I mean like you have to be able to live with like uncertainty you know
that is the lot of human that is what we're here to do is
to live with uncertainty largely and try to make something out of that.
And like seeking answers and all this like obviously, you know, Mary Shelley knew it, you know,
the Greeks knew it.
Like we've all known it for a long time.
This is a loser.
And yet, and yet, yet we're going to like try to insist on it.
You know, with no referendum, no input from anybody or anything else, we're just going to like,
no, not only that, but the basis of our economy and our livelihoods is going to be wrapped up in this, like,
very vague blasphemous project in a crisis of faith.
That's true.
That is what the economy is based on right now.
A crisis of faith, genuinely.
Like, I mean, is there a better recipe for a bubble that collapses everything on top of itself?
I mean, because, like, we don't, and I say this is someone who struggles with uncertainty,
who has a really hard time sitting in uncertainty.
You're going to have to, we're going to all have to figure out how to do that.
That is, you got to figure out how to die.
You got to figure out how to, like, do stuff like pay taxes, as my pastor said.
You've got to do two things in life.
But the third thing is that you've got to figure out how to sit in uncertainty.
Because that is...
You know, it reminds me of, man, I'm thinking of the X-Files.
And the common thing where, you know, Scully will see like a UFO or see a man levitate 20 feet in the air, you know.
And she has to come up with the tech.
like a technical tech not like a scientific based reason for why that happens while she's
also clutching the cross on her chest you know what I mean yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I have to
all right I mean no we can't go through the whole entire article but is there at any point I think
you do imply that pastor
Lester at some point is
I don't know is there any
any confliction? Is he
is he you know is he like any conflicting
ideas in his head? Is he just completely
fine with this? Does he have any self-criticisms at all?
Like I said he is um
like he points out that like
a computer can't pray at a bedside
he says um
there's a reason Jesus broke bread with his hands
touched lepers and healed with mud you can't send an avatar
to the bedside so like he like
acknowledges that there are limitations to this thing and that you can't do everything that a pastor could or would do with it.
But the article does end with the image of him baptizing an 82-year-old woman, I think.
Yeah, baptizing an 82-year-old woman.
It says in the back of the church, as he's doing this baptism, as Lester is doing the baptism,
In the back of the church, a row of AI cameras tracked his movements.
They recorded his words and streamed the ceremony online.
His service was already being translated in a Spanish, spliced into data, and uploaded to his digital twin as Lester stood square on his feet and put his hand, hand on the woman's forehead.
We baptized...
Go go to church.
When it's uploaded in Spanish, does this twin become like, amen?
We won't pray for you.
We'll go some beers afterward, though, bro.
I mean, once they actually get the humanoid robots going,
he won't have to worry about, you know, breaking bread with his hands.
Maybe they'll term the sex robots they'll also moonlight as pastors as well.
Well, yeah, that's the thing.
Like, he hasn't factored that into this.
This dude has so many robots.
He loves he got a robot dog, a robot barista.
Did he not think about a robot faith healer?
And I think that's the thing.
He has to like admit to the audience a little bit.
There's the loophole though.
A robot can't have faith definitionally.
Uh-huh.
A robot doesn't believe in anything.
If his personality is instantiated in it though.
Does that constitute the point of contact mentioned in the scripture?
And also...
That's a great question.
I also feel like it doesn't have to be fully like human beings.
annoyed as with skin, but it has to have meat hands.
Well, I mean, it literally has to have hands.
The Bible says that, like, the laying on of hands is like a symbolic, the symbolic gesture of that.
If you can't lay the hands on physically, there is no point of contact.
Can the robot with his personality catch the Holy Ghost?
Could you imagine, can you picture a robot, like running on top of the pews?
Speaking in tongues.
Speaking in tongues, but it's just like 1-1-0-0-0.
But that also brings up another interesting point from the scripture, though.
Blastfeming of the Holy Spirit is the only unpardonable sin.
So does the robot get damned to hell for...
Uh-huh.
Dude, that would be a great...
Do robots go to hell?
No, that's the point.
So they can blaspheme the Holy Spirit all they won't because they don't go to hell anyway.
The robot, the robot, if corporeally wouldn't go to hell in the same way that the human corporially wouldn't go to hell or heaven,
But the robot's soul, which is the replicent AI duplicate of Justin Lester, could go to hell.
This would be actually a great, this would actually be like a great, like, sci-fi story.
Like, imagine you die and you go to hell, but your replicant dies and goes to heaven.
And you, like, kind of look up in, like, jealousy, like the rich young ruler in Lazarus.
Or both of you die and go to purgatory.
and then you're trying to fight to get to heaven.
Dude,
there's some pretty,
which one of us gets to.
The pearly gates.
If anyone steals this,
I want my fucking copyright residuals.
Your boy needs residuals,
all right,
because I'm not going to do a Zoom AI thing.
Like,
I need to walk out to the mailbox
and get a check every way.
I need to send my robot twin to walk out of you to check every week.
I see you,
motherfucker.
Cashing my check
The article ends with Justin Lester
Saying we baptize you today
And the name of the one who loves you he said
And then he dipped her head into the water
And that's the story
So
There you go
That's
I
I read that
I thought
We got to talk about it
That's good stuff
How long until we get the first AI pope though
Oh
Hell yeah dude
But there was a dog pope
A long time ago
so there's you know there's there's precedence for them getting a little silly with it but you know
dogs have a soul because they all go to heaven so or maybe that's just i don't know maybe it's one of those
apocryphal history channel as things i've read like the sovietes were trying to breed like
eight man hybrid soldiers wasn't there some medieval town that was run by like a go with some shit
well we say it's silly but the you know a thing i like to cite is the techniques that comprise
chiropractic as a practice were dictated
to its founder by a ghost so
sometimes ghosts know what's up
sometimes ghosts no good medicine when they
see it that's true that's true that's true
they know what's bad medicine certainly
because they're no longer witness but
yeah they did
dead as hell
dead as hell that sounds like
100% let's like
a hundred percent let'sality
dead as hell
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