Trillbilly Worker's Party - Episode 455: Dead As Hell

Episode Date: August 1, 2026

The boys talk living with part of your head missing, the growing prospect that the US/Israel are leading the entire world into a massive conflict, and we read about a pastor who has made a replica of ...himself with AI because he says his congregation was getting too big for one man to handle. We have a live show coming up in Lexington, KY on Friday, August 14 @ Institute 193 (doors at 7:30) buy your tickets here: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/trillbillies-live-with-special-guests-devin-oshea-and-jesse-montgomery-tickets-1994899655571 Support us on patreon here: patreon.com/trillbillyworkersparty

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Starting point is 00:00:21 there's any ornithologists out there or people in the birdwatch. And I showed Terrence this the other day, but there's, my, my backyard's been commandeered by a family of Robbins. Oh, right. Okay. I was waiting for you to bring this up. And the other day I was out there observing their ways and their traditions, you know. They're folkways.
Starting point is 00:00:43 They're folkways. Strictly from an anthropological perspective. I wasn't scheming on like snatching their baby out of their nest or anything like that. I can see where they would get there with the man of my complexion, but it's not what I had in mind. So I'm standing out there, and I'm looking up on top of my barn beside my house, and there's one of them up there. And I'm like, I thought for a second like I was hallucinating,
Starting point is 00:01:06 like I had like huff some gas or sniff some liniment or something. I was like, that bird is missing most of its head. And the more I looked at it, I was like, no. it is missing, like, from behind its eyeballs and up is gone. And it wasn't like that because I've seen these birds. And the other day, it looks like a pretty, fairly recent development. So I'm curious. Possibly a hawk tried to get a hold of it.
Starting point is 00:01:36 Possibly flew into a window. Possibly flew or like kind of got its shit rock. Like, you know, because their nest is up under the awning on my back porch. And like they would have to like kind of duck down and it's like a tin awning. So there is a world where it might have just scorn. scalped its own or something like flying out of there but it's disturbing every time i see it it's like something out of fucking bergman or something i have a photo you sent me the photo or i saw it in person too it is sort of cronenbergian and it's like body horror um but it does make you why but i
Starting point is 00:02:09 there was a video or a photo going around of a unhoused individual in nashville tennessee probably about a year ago who was also missing the top part of his head. Like Ray Leota and Hannibal, his brains was just exposed. And I was wondering at that, like, what, and he was just walking around
Starting point is 00:02:32 like it was normal, like it was totally, like things were chill. Like, what does... Well, this Robin's doing the same thing. I sit with grub worms in its mouth every day. He's providing for his list. He's not missed a day of work over this.
Starting point is 00:02:47 You get like rain. on the brain or dust? Does dust accumulate on the brain? You got to walk around with a little dust buster? Surely having your brain exposed is not... Well, I know it's not optimal. But then, like, you were telling me, like... Your daughter has a hole in her head because she's a baby,
Starting point is 00:03:08 and babies have a hole in their head. Babies have holes in their heads. But, I mean, but it's covered over with... Flesh. Is that because the skull hasn't finished fusing? is that what it is. I don't think it fully fuses or forms until they're like two. And some of us ever.
Starting point is 00:03:26 Until that time, they're, they're tripaned. So I think they're basically high all the time. Do you think the people that end up being like real wavy gravy and a little crunchy, do you think that they're like that their tripanned baby hole just never fused and grew over? And that's why they're like just been their whole lot. I've just with no problems.
Starting point is 00:03:50 They wish. It's an affectation, probably. Oh, okay. I remember when I first learned about trepination when I was in college. And I don't know why, but it creeped to me out and maybe more than anything I'd ever.
Starting point is 00:04:02 Like, I watched an interview with a guy who'd been trippanned, like intentionally, so that he could be high all the time. How did he seem? Well, adjusted, or high? He didn't have anxiety, so. so that so that we've been talking about idioms a little bit off you know off duty and you know like it said well in eastern kentucky we'll say like if somebody's on the diet or something somebody's
Starting point is 00:04:29 like here have this donut or this cake or this whatever they're bad well i need that like i need a hole in the head sounds like a hole in the head in certain circumstances may not the idiom might not work for some people uh-huh especially this guy who would be like well yeah yeah you do You do need a hole in your head, actually. It's great. I think he lived in, like, Crestone, Colorado. Like, one of those, like, new-agey places
Starting point is 00:04:55 where, like, there's a new... What do they call that? Like, new religion movement, new religious movement? Like, there's a new... There's a ton of compounds, basically, for various, like, new-age cults. Mm.
Starting point is 00:05:09 I see. Very inclusive of people with holes in their heads. Yeah. Yeah, a cult of people with... A trip and cult. So, anyway,
Starting point is 00:05:20 yeah, you know that place is super crunchy if I've never heard of it and it's still in Colorado and it's associated with tripan cults. I stumbled upon it one time. I mean,
Starting point is 00:05:30 I've been there. What's the crunchiest five towns in America, would you say? Oh, Sedona, Arizona. Isn't that one of them? Seems like it would be. There's a bunch of that stuff there too.
Starting point is 00:05:40 Touse Crunchy? Touse is like, Touse isn't as crunchy as you think. Not as crunch as they make it look in the movies. Yeah, it's still... You know, it's funny, like, the... There is a Puebla Nation... Shit, I can't remember the name of it now.
Starting point is 00:06:01 Who... They're trying to take over, like, 3,500 acres of land in New Mexico. You mean take back. Take back, but I'm framing it, like, the... The libs in your... Mexico, the outdoors lovers are pissed. They're like, this is an outrage. They're pissed that the tribes are just trying to take back.
Starting point is 00:06:23 What is theirs? Yeah. And all the arguments against it are like, so people, you know, people will be like, it's just their land, they should be able to take it back. And then people will be like, clearly, that's a dangerous precedent. No, no, they'll be like, clearly you've never heard of the corruption on reservations. It's like, yeah, okay. as opposed to the corruption
Starting point is 00:06:46 like at the fucking... In every major city in town in America. The president himself is raiding the coffers on a daily basis. So what is this like settler colonial colonialism, Nimbism, I guess? He kind of is. A settler colonial Nimbie, yeah. Everybody's for the Landback movement
Starting point is 00:07:08 until they can't, you know, chug craft beers and watch Charlie Crockett at Red Rocks, you know, without some native interference. It's the Sandia Pueblo. So I don't think it's that close to Taos, but you saying Taos reminded me of that. Now, Taos is not crunchy, really.
Starting point is 00:07:27 I mean, it kind of is, but it's not like Sedona, Arizona, which is like a bunch of hippies think that Sedona, Arizona is, like, where a bunch of, like, astrological things line up, and then there's, like, some crystal. Sedona, you say? Yeah, some, like, crystal things. in the earth. There's some cosmic significance to Sedona.
Starting point is 00:07:46 Cosmic significance, yeah. Yeah. I could be wrong, no. I might be confusing it with Artesian. Yeah, I could be confusing with Argentina. The other place with cosmic significance and not of a good variety. No. No, not at all.
Starting point is 00:08:09 But you said Asheville, Tom, I would say it's North Carolina. It's pretty crunchy. Asheville's, you know, and there's like, but then you got to think about like all the little towns like around places like that. You know what I mean? It's like boon's pretty crunchy, I would imagine. Uh-huh. But that's like college town crunchy, so it's a different thing. Anyway, I'm taking this far field.
Starting point is 00:08:30 Anyway, I've got a bird without a head in this backyard that's like terrorizing me and also like kind of weirding me out. Maybe it's an omen, brother. I can't, well, I can't like, I can't even watch stuff like, uh, you know, what was that show on FX where they would do like the old-timey surgeries in the arena? What? It's one of them Ryan Murphy-ass shows.
Starting point is 00:08:52 Oh, it was... This sounds like... The Nick? The Nick, I think. The Nick? Okay. Something like that. It's like...
Starting point is 00:08:59 I thought you were talking about a... Go ahead, Terrence up. It's not calling first. Clive Owen. He's like... Addicted to morphine and cocaine. Back when they would, like, inject cocaine. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:09:13 Back on, then shoot you right up with her. Uh-huh. What about it? For some reason. I just don't like, I don't like, sort of sting punk grotesque stuff. I don't think you can feel, isn't that the thing?
Starting point is 00:09:29 Like, you always see videos of brain surgery. Like, I don't think you can feel it when people are poking around in your brain. I don't think there's like nerve endings up there. So, like, if, like, another disturbing scene for me was the Ray Liotto. and Hannibal scene, which I'm with that shitty movie, but that scene disturbed me because
Starting point is 00:09:49 Hannibal Lecter is eating Ray Leota's brains while Ray Leota is like sitting at the table. And he's like, hey, what's it? What was good. That disturbing. Any kind of meddling with the brain was very disturbing to me as a kid and as a young adult. Like, it's not as disturbing to me now
Starting point is 00:10:09 because I've meddled with my own brain so many times. You think there's something... You're eating your own brain? Yeah. A thing we come back to in this show sometimes is like not being at the wheel. Not being at the wheel. I think that's the prime example of not being at the wheel if you can just get your brains sauteed and flambay and ate without really knowing it. Well, yeah, and also, like, just touched and prodding.
Starting point is 00:10:34 Like, if you got that bird and you were to poke around in its brain, could you pilot that thing? Like a drone? I'm curious. I have thought about that. And then I thought if I just got up there and saw something, I didn't want to see his little bird brain pulsing out of the skull. Or, like, another thing I looked up was that sometimes they'll get feather mites. And so I thought, like, am I just looking at it?
Starting point is 00:11:00 It's like, they just have, like, very tiny skulls, but it's not bad. Like, he's lost part of his head because, like, the eyes are, like, kind of half attached to nothing on the sides of his head. Oh, my God. You know what I mean? That's gruesome. Go get a. Here's what you're going to need to do.
Starting point is 00:11:15 Go to your local... Finally, some instruction. Yes, go... Go to your local Mexican restaurant or wherever sells those, like, pinia colladas with the little tiny umbrellas. And then... Stick it in his brain. Well, yeah, yeah, that's fine.
Starting point is 00:11:34 Stick it in there. Or you could just fashion it to, like, a little tiny belt. You could tie around his head. But you need to protect the brains a little bit. It's like, brother, I'm trying to keep the... the elements off of that exposed Naga. I was thinking maybe you could use
Starting point is 00:11:47 a bottle cap as like a hard hat form. That is cool. Well, there are those like crabs will sometimes do that. When their shells get cracked or destroyed, they will like adopt flotsam from the human world as their new shell. That's kind of a freaky thing too, I think.
Starting point is 00:12:04 Totally. Yeah, some pictures of hermit crabs using Pepsi cans, you know, instead of an actual shell. Not what I would use a Pepsi can, you know. Well, there's nothing aluminum in the sea, brother. Can't you go find you a bottle from 1987? Like a Coke bottle or something?
Starting point is 00:12:21 That seems like it be more appropriate. Anyway, I don't like the melding of creature and... Human? It just weirds me out. Why not? You don't like it when like a dog or like an ape wears a little costume? No, in a reasonable fashion, I'm fine. Like if an ape, if they, like, put lipstick and a tutu on an ape, that's fine.
Starting point is 00:12:50 I'm fine with circus stuff. I don't like the ape and a tutu. I like an ape in a suit. That's very funny, though. That's funny, but like an ape and a tutu seems kind of like we're having a laugh at his expense. Whereas if he's in a suit, he's laughing with us. He's laughing with us. He's the professional ape.
Starting point is 00:13:11 We're also looking very dashing. I might have. Dapper. Wasn't there a movie like that with the British singer-songwriter? Oh, yeah. Robbie Williams's. Yes, exactly. Sort of AI-fueled memoir or biopic where he's like an ape in it.
Starting point is 00:13:29 It's an interesting choice to say the least. I think it, I've heard, he had good reviews. But one of the more disturbing, I don't know why it stays with me. And I had a friend leave the theater over this too, because so we're lying shout out Pete Fields out there if you're out there pal miss you anyway we were watching House of a Thousand Corpses in the scene where he carves him into a fish and he's like fish boy I hated that oh no fuck that didn't care for that I don't think I saw that or have you guys seen a tusk yeah can't do that can't do that either the human walrus hybrid thing
Starting point is 00:14:09 not interested in that that was also the theme of the fleetwood Mac album tusk. How to become, how to expand your blubber. Yes. That's what I got from that too. So you don't like
Starting point is 00:14:25 when humans become animals and animals become humans and they, you also don't like it when animals crib human parts and when humans crib animals animal parts? I guess that's true. Which I guess somebody would say to me, oh, well, I guess you've never worn leather shoes
Starting point is 00:14:42 or... Let me ask you, And it's a fair point. Does the, what is it, is it a fond, what is it called when a, it's a half man,
Starting point is 00:14:52 half a goat? It's, a sater. A sater. That's what it is. A sater. We learned what that was yesterday, I think.
Starting point is 00:15:00 Because of the, the company making the weird bail robots. Don't bring up bail again. I see Tom is going to take the, every time, every time we bring up, bail the episode goes in the toilet it's like a curse it's the bail
Starting point is 00:15:17 curse Tom is not even going to acknowledge the disaster that was yesterday's episode I was trying to dance around it we recorded an episode that well to say the least it went off the rails a little bit yeah
Starting point is 00:15:31 uh huh so Tom I guess you're not a big fan of the island of Dr. Monroe actually I'm going to tell you I actually did like the island of Dr. Murrow Tom brings that movie up a lot I actually do like that. I guess I'm a hypocrite.
Starting point is 00:15:46 I do like that movie. But I like the movie more for like the story around it because they fired Richard Stanley, the director, and he hid out on the set when they were like finished it just to kind of like see what's going on. What do you mean he hit out? Like he hid in a barrel and like behind the bush and stuff. Just don't want.
Starting point is 00:16:07 Like see how it went? I think he was like trying to see what they had done with his masterpiece. It was like a med, like, you know, like the island Dr. Moreau was like he was doing these like, uh-huh. You know, like that Italian, uh, surgeon we bring up all the time that tried to put the monkey's head on the human. Yeah. It's like getting fired from Cracker Barrow and then you like hide in a barrel to watch to see how. Cut a, cut a kni-hole in it.
Starting point is 00:16:32 To see how you get a barrel at Cracker Barrel? Your masterpiece is going. What are they doing with my baby? Well, Richard Stanley's mega canceled now. but I listened to an interview with him one time and he has this like tick where he just says hmm a lot, hmm, hmm, hmm. And he was talking about his mother was dying of brain cancer
Starting point is 00:16:53 and he cured her with crystals and she lived for 11 more years. And he lived in a haunted estate in France. He got from Sedona? Is that where he got her from? Harder someplace with cosmic significance. But turns out he's also insane violent sex criminal too apparently so I don't want to like you know
Starting point is 00:17:15 lionizing too much even you know I like my cooks even to have a clean rap sheet is that include cleanish did that include Fauci would you hold him to the same standard hmm interesting all I saw him Fauci this week is that he pled the fifth to every question they threw that I think he also admitted that Stephen Miller's wife was hitting him up regularly for advice on how to not get sick. I thought she was hitting him up regularly. Yeah, she was like, you up?
Starting point is 00:17:53 You up? Trying not to die. Trying to get the Fauci. The Fauci-Oachie-Ochie at 3 a.m. You up? You up. You up. That sounds disgusting.
Starting point is 00:18:06 Dude, that guy. I don't like the way that sounds. That guy was probably drowning in it. And you know every time, every time he got ready to go to Poundown, he probably made some Fauci-O-C-Ochie joke. Yeah, you know, he was. He was drowning it. I was like, it's like, it's one of those things because, like, even liberals kind of have to admit that he was, like, clearly, like, craven media opportunist. Like, he was obsessed with himself, like, obsessed with seeing himself.
Starting point is 00:18:36 Like, you know what I mean? I don't really have the time That's the only time during a pandemic That you is an old Doctor get they getting played But people are dying You enter the live It's all about she was cracking his knuckles
Starting point is 00:18:52 Sand I knew my ship would come in one day You're so right Aaron It was just like Who among us would Be on it would be able to resist that You know what I mean? Like if you're an old doctor Like you get the opportunity
Starting point is 00:19:07 opportunity of a lifetime like you know it's a lifetime pandemic you know where we got the the pandemic air phrase stay home if you're sick come over if you think it is how fouchy coined that himself that's all he did during the pandemic he just like coined various like horny pickup lines So why was he pleading the fifth? That's not going to, I got to say, that's not going to do a whole lot to curb the MAGA paranoia about him as a figure, you know?
Starting point is 00:19:49 He pled the fifth because Joe Biden issued a blink, what would they call that? What is it called when... FATWA? Joe Biden issued a Fouchi Fauta. Fouchi Fah. The Fouchy Fautwa.
Starting point is 00:20:11 Do you all remember that? Two thousand twenty three, the Fouching Fowtw? I'm still wondering what he issued. He issued the... There's only a couple things you issue. A check or a Fahua? You know when like you're a president and you can like cover yourself with immunity for future crimes? What do they call that?
Starting point is 00:20:31 You're covering yourself with immunity. You wrapped yourself in immunity. Immune. I guess that's a... You slather immunity all over yourself. You dip into the immunity jar? Yeah. Kind of what Trump's done.
Starting point is 00:20:42 It's something No Live wants to sort of, you know, confront is that Trump is doing a lot of these crimes largely because there's some precedents for Democrats having done it on a much smaller level. Pretty much, yeah. But Joe Biden did that for Fauci when he left office. He, like, covered, he gave Fauci. A pardon. That's what I'm looking for. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He issued a.
Starting point is 00:21:07 Okay. Here we would go. He gave a blank check to continue to do whatever he was in the future. He commuted this. What was Fauci accused of? You're right. What you issue pardons, blank checks, thought was, is there anything else? I forget, what else do you issue in life?
Starting point is 00:21:22 Uniforms. You issue four. But I, what was he? He was accused of, I don't think he did anything, really. I think that was the problem. I think the issue is that, less we forget, millions die on his watch. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:21:41 I don't know. The conservatives are convinced that he, because like Rand Paul is leading this McCarthy-esque hearing against Fauci. And the Biden pardon doesn't cover if Fauci accidentally perjures himself in committee or court or anything. So he has to just keep consistent. That's why he does. That's why he did the Fifth Amendment, so he didn't accidentally, like, perjury. If the same thing is applied to Trump, he will fail miserably because he's pathologically incapable, if not, one, telling lies, but two, not shutting the fuck up.
Starting point is 00:22:19 He'll brag about his crimes. Yeah. They'll go on there, they'll say, Mr. President, like, now you're going before, like, it's the fifth. Just say fit, you know, like the Chappelle mean, you know, every time. And he will not be able to do it. You know, the highlights from that thing, it was basically like Rand Paul trying to get Fauci to admit where COVID originated,
Starting point is 00:22:47 to admit that the lockdowns are too severe. And then like Bernie Moreno was, who is also... Why would bring the lead singer deaf tones into this? Bernie Moreno, no relation, as far as I'm aware, to the amazing band Deathstones but it would make him a lot cooler if he was probably also had a better
Starting point is 00:23:11 COVID response frankly. I saw some clip of him I don't know just doing this fake bravado thing to Fauci all these people suck so there's no like good people here I saw Holly doing the what colors your tie
Starting point is 00:23:27 just trying to like knock him off his pedestal and it's just like if I were Fauci I'd just break character for a second and say under the advisement of counsel, I've been told to tell you to come on out, you fucking queer. I've advised you to
Starting point is 00:23:45 I advise you to start living your truth, you fucking homosexual. That would be time. Isn't it a little late, though, to be going after Fauci? I feel like this is something or I would have thought this would be something they would have done, like, you know, early on within Trump's presidency.
Starting point is 00:24:01 You know, I saw a lot of people saying that it's because they want to distract from the fact that inflation is higher you know fucking 12% inflation the war is going terribly but Rand Paul's the one leading this and Rand Paul is not a
Starting point is 00:24:19 supporter of the war so I really do think it's just like the wheels are spinning right like they just don't have much to talk about now they're kind of a victim of their own success so it's just like let's play the hits yeah right let's play the hit also also I guess it's just in the general kind of vein of retribution time, you know, going after socialist or quote communists, going after Democrats, going after journalists, and now Fauci is like
Starting point is 00:24:43 roped into that too. Yeah, that's true. Because there's a big moral panic. It's a big mass hysteria right now about DSA taking over the Democratic Party. And, uh, I mean, it's everywhere. I think I even saw, speaking of Bernie Moreno, everyone, I like how everyone, like Democrats, like mainstream Democrats concerned about that? Yeah, for sure.
Starting point is 00:25:04 There's this article in Axios that I had pulled up right before we started recording. Inside House Democrats' fear-driven turn against Israel. And it's got like Josh Gotheimer in here talking about like you basically, like we're held captive to the left now on Israel. Like we have to essentially vote against them. Yeah, like. You know, you should have thought about that before all those targeted. killings that your fucking
Starting point is 00:25:35 baby project over there in the Middle East is, you know, pulled out and, you know, all these fucking children you've murdered and, you know, just developing basically the most violent society this side of the United States of America. Yeah. Also, some really sick...
Starting point is 00:25:52 Go ahead, Terrence, go ahead. I was just because also they're merging the militaries of the United States. It's real. Like, at this point, like, anyways, what were you saying here? No, I was just saying, And it's also the implication that it's a really sick thing to say that, well, if we weren't held to task morally about this, we would have just continued supporting Israel.
Starting point is 00:26:10 Yeah. I mean, it's just a really fucking evil thing to say. Well, that's that every time they talk about it, they're complaining about how they have to do it. It's like that scene in Wet Hot American Summer where Paul Rudd has to pick up the shit from the floor, and he's like, uh, like, you know what I mean? Like, you know what I mean? He makes a big deal about having to fucking pick up a cup from a floor. It's just, you know what I mean? Well, I mean, let's keep in mind the concept of a Shabbas Goy, okay?
Starting point is 00:26:38 So, you know. How can you be the Shabas Goy? I want to do research. Elvis Presley was one. Oh, really? That probably, that explains a lot, actually. Yeah, he was a Shabas Goy. Do you just, like, sign up?
Starting point is 00:26:55 I don't know if there's a wait list or. Oh, God. Or what? Interesting. Probably not a great gig in the era of phrases like goy slop and so forth. Well, it is, I will give, I will give them this. It is an early instance of the white slave. Shabba's, shabba's going isn't early.
Starting point is 00:27:13 The pro. The pro proxelope. The pro proxia. The pro proxia. The pro proxie. So that's tight. That's pretty good. Um, no, the, the, that's that's what.
Starting point is 00:27:26 You know the ad that was running during the Super Bowl of like, like the Jewish kid and the black kid, they're like, I understand what you're going through. We're going to run that back, but it's like them hatching the plot for white slaves, and that's where they meet the hands meet the middle. It's the Shavas goy and the black kid at the school. Aaron, I think you're right.
Starting point is 00:27:49 I think that the real reason they're going after Fauci is like, they're really trying to, they've been trying for at least a month now to really do a reds another red scare um and you know marco rubio talking about like communists infiltrating the you know government from cuba the nspm 7 or whatever we talked about with daniel boguslaw i mean it's like there's um there's definitely a i mean i wouldn't call it a coordinated attempt it's an uncoordinated uh attempt at a red scare a drunk rambling attempt at a red scare.
Starting point is 00:28:29 Like you going into your kitchen at 3 a year for a glass of water drunk is fuck. Yes, it's the 3 a.m. It's the 3 a.m. Like, I'm going to eat an entire bag
Starting point is 00:28:42 of Frito's Red Scare. The geeked up Red Scare. Ingeeked up Red Scare. Potential episode Tile. But the it feels like everybody keeps booking
Starting point is 00:28:55 Bernie Mariner. know for things because I saw him on Fox News also talking about how like we need to really we have to stand up to the Democratic Socialist taking over the Democrats where it's like okay you're in the Republican Party like why do you fucking care also I like that his name is Bernie I feel like he's like a bizarro Bernie Sanders yeah well he's um I my ohlo Bernie Sanders my first introduction to that guy is that um so he's a senator from Ohio and he's tried, I used to have a connection in Chilicothe, Ohio. I used to have friends that lived there, and there's a big paper mill there.
Starting point is 00:29:33 And it's like shutting down. It would like shut down last year or this year. But they've tried to like revive it. They've tried to like turn it into some like haute boutique artisanal paper mill or something. And like Bernie Moreno is kind of spearheading that effort to try to like bring back working class, like white, white working class blue collar jobs um and so like my my first introduction to him was this as this republican who is like trying to uh bill himself almost like a josh holly time like you know what i mean like a man of the people like a populist right winger like mago but like um he's in the news this
Starting point is 00:30:16 week because his former son-in-law max miller uh allegedly although the evidence is pretty but yes it is alleged um like beat his his wife who would be borny morano's daughter and then like broke their two-year-old daughter's collar so it's Bernie morano's granddaughter um basically this guy brutalized uh burning morano's daughter and uh i just saw the picture i just saw the pictures when i googled his name it's horrifying yeah yeah and um and so but burning merino hasn't said a thing about it Like, people are pointing out, like, oh, well, you know, Graham Platner had to step down. Why doesn't Max Miller have to step down?
Starting point is 00:31:01 And it is kind of one of those things where it's like, you would think that the person leading this charge might be the guy whose daughter was victimized by this asshole. You know what I mean? But, like, these people are all just moral cowards, obviously. But, yeah, it's pretty fucked up, pretty wild. But yeah The funny thing about Bernie
Starting point is 00:31:26 Marino though He was caught on a App I think a few years ago Trying to solicit one-on-one gay sex That's what he said It said literally Quote one-on-one gay sex I'm not a pervert
Starting point is 00:31:40 I'm not super gay Not too-on-one gay sex I'm just heeding George Michael's You know Admonition That sex is best one-on-one, which is something I don't think even George Michael believed him.
Starting point is 00:31:57 RIP-1-Gay-Sex. It would be great. Like 7-on-1. I'm trying to have 7-on-1 gay sex. I'm not a decadent. I think they call that a gag bag. I'm not a decadent. Seven-on-one's about my best I can do. Uh-huh. I think that's alleged, too, because he claims that his account
Starting point is 00:32:13 was hacked or something. Which is like what everybody claims when he gets. That's what everybody says. Yeah. Uh-huh. but um just yeah no I'm looking for a guy that's just like yeah I was just trying something new
Starting point is 00:32:29 it's like you're exploring opportunity just like he took a solid core class I was like I just saying I'd shake up the old routine life was getting a bit stale there's a few news items I wanted to cover this week um and really it has to do
Starting point is 00:32:50 with We can bracket it off into two things. Like, I wanted to talk about AI, like this week in AI news, because it has been an interesting week in AI news. There's been several items there that I think we should hit. But before I get to AI, which does seem to be barreling towards a bursting of the bubble. But, you know, again, we just keep faking it to you make it,
Starting point is 00:33:19 just what the market is at this point. Before we get there, though, I want to talk about something sort of kind of related, which is the impending collapse of the American Social Experiment and World War III. And I want to tee this out. So just some light conversation going to the weekend. Yeah, I posed this question to Tom yesterday, Aaron, but I want to pose it to you in the audience. do you think in the human in the grand human saga
Starting point is 00:33:54 and you know going back to the primordial ooze going to the sea peoples and the Homer and the Bronze Day? I just want to say something this is exactly how he teed it up yesterday before we had to bury the episode I'm sitting here I'm like man we're having a good episode and here we go again carry on Terrence I'll trust you this time
Starting point is 00:34:17 shepherded us through this. Do you think that there has ever been a greater fuck-up in human history than what Donald Trump is about to essentially walk us into? And by that, I mean, like, okay, the war keeps expanding, okay? I'm sure you guys saw this. I know Tom has, but I don't know if you saw this, but, like, Ukrainians are now taking shots at Iranian ships. in the caspids. They're like we need to get back in it? Yeah, they want to open up another front.
Starting point is 00:34:54 It's been speculated. Egypt is now getting dragged into this ever-expanding conflict. The Houthis are back in it, obviously. And the war just drags on. It's not going to change. Nothing's changing. The Iranians have no reason to trust the American people. negotiation process
Starting point is 00:35:19 like this has all of the hallmarks of a global militarized conflict that has no end inside say it say it Terrence you know how
Starting point is 00:35:32 Trump was like everybody's afraid to say the China virus or whatever radical Islamic terrorism and say everybody's afraid to say it radical Islamic terrorism say what it is World War III World War III A global
Starting point is 00:35:50 militarized country Fuck you motherfucker Say it with your whole Shaz pussy It's World War III It is World War III It is World War III Is that anti-Semitic dog whistle
Starting point is 00:36:02 Is that why Is it World War III or global militarized conflict Like to say it's Occupied government Well we have to submit these now To a censor A Board of Sensors
Starting point is 00:36:15 determine whether something I said was anti-Semitic or non. So I'm just trying to be careful. The network yesterday gave Terrence 14 Pinocchioes on that out of five. Yeah. So I'm trying to be careful. But I also wanted to point this out.
Starting point is 00:36:31 I pointed this out to Tom yesterday. This is a little wonky, but just stay with me here for a second. The Federal Reserve voted to keep interest rates steady. So they have, I mean, essentially, like, they were under, they were expected to raise interest rates, right? Because inflation is abysmal at the moment.
Starting point is 00:36:54 What you do, and you've got bad inflation, you want to restrict the money supply. And so a lot of people speculated that the Federal Reserve was probably going to have to raise rates. I mean, it's been talked about for forever. Trump was trying to pressure Jay Powell to lower rates. a lot of people once, you know, the new federal chairman, Chairman Kevin Warsh got in there that he was going to actually wind up raising rates. Well, apparently, they decided to actually just keep him steady,
Starting point is 00:37:27 which is a win for Trump in a way. It's kind of a dove for Trump in some ways. Not for us. Spoiler. Not for us non-shareholders. The market interpreted this as a kind of like vote of no confidence and the Federal Reserve's inability to keep a handle on inflation. So it's not a good sign.
Starting point is 00:37:54 And once again, we're kind of facing a situation going into the midterms where, like, I saw a quote just yesterday from Trump saying, like, I don't care what the price of gas is going into the midterms. I do not care. Like, I'm not going to do anything to change it. Like, this is what it is. And you can buy it at my gas station for $3.47 or? or somewhere else much cheaper.
Starting point is 00:38:19 Doesn't matter to me. Yeah. Getting used to it, folks. I don't know. It's just like the scale, the magnitude of it is wild. I saw a really funny story in Politico about how the Iran Wars testing Southeast Asia's faith in the U.S. And they interviewed these diplomats just now. For the first time ever?
Starting point is 00:38:40 I'm hearing this. I'm honestly shocked our traditional ally, the countries of, of the Southeast Asian Pacific Theater. The gist of this article, the upshot, is Asian officials are seething about the regional impact of the ongoing war with the U.S. war with Iran, blah, blah, blah, blah. And even quotes Rubio is telling them, like, we're not going to do anything to address your concerns.
Starting point is 00:39:05 Sorry. And so basically all these countries that the United States has spent decades trying to peel away from like the Chinese sphere of influence are now being like, we're going with China. You don't understand what I? We're going with the people not bombing us. Dog, it just speaks to how good our movies were
Starting point is 00:39:22 when, like, we carpet bomb these nations. We, you know, made war on Vietnam and led them to make booby traps where they shred our GIs through the fucking rib cage when they fall into it, all this stuff. Like, we've had a very, like, I think as tumultuous relationship with that region as you could possibly have,
Starting point is 00:39:42 and only now are things sourd. to the point of well yeah because I think that speaks to the volume of Trump's fuck that's what I'm saying yes they have
Starting point is 00:39:51 they've molested the money that thoroughly you know what I mean it's it's it's and it's over gas prices honestly
Starting point is 00:40:01 it's over gas prices and stocks and I mean literal stock like stock capacity like there's no all the
Starting point is 00:40:10 the entire world is kind of like remember how they have that day clock where's the dims that clock for the gas prices man oh it's past this past midnight they should have that it's like a 12 o 5
Starting point is 00:40:22 I think it's not even ticking anyone I think it's just sitting on the wall like on a wall somewhere stuck at like 412 p.m. Well it ruts off of gas so it's probably not even working at you right that's right yeah but yeah no I mean it's it's I just like I was just thinking
Starting point is 00:40:38 about that I was musing about that the other day like of all the fuckups in like Napoleon trying to evade Soviet Union in wintertime, Hitler trying to invade Soviet Union in wintertime. I mean, granted, millions of people lost their lives in those. But it was relatively contained to a specific region, whereas I feel like Trump's fuck up will be, like, has there ever been a human being who's fucked up the entire globe?
Starting point is 00:41:06 Every reach of the globe, while also walking away with money bags full of billions. Yeah. And who could have predicted it? Who could have predicted it? Mm-hmm. I mean, it's almost as if his own kind of greed and just lack of concern for anybody else but himself has consumed the entire world, you know? He's cartoonishly narcissistic.
Starting point is 00:41:32 Isn't it wild that we have devised a world system that can be brought to, it can be brought down or like bent to the will or or or or collage? under the weight of one individual. That's, that blows my mind, genuinely. Whose rap sheet reads as thus pedophile, rapist, perhaps most sinister of all game show host. You know what it's like, dude, it reminds me of this Borges story, Jorge Luis Borges story where this, this map of the world is created, and it's like actually too down to the dimensions,
Starting point is 00:42:13 and specific kind of like relative to the size of the of the world of the the country initially and it ends up the map ends up kind of being placed over the first the country and then the city and then the world itself you know yeah and it's like trump's own sort of like machinations and it's just desires and every his greed and all of it have kind of overlap like anything else you know and now that is the layer upon which we live you know yeah i think it's it's stunning like in an unprecedented way. It is genuinely got to be
Starting point is 00:42:46 unprecedented in the annals of human history. You know what I'm saying? It's a stop. The scale and the speed at which it happened is astonishing. You know, we could talk about
Starting point is 00:42:59 the legacy of Margaret Thatcher or like all these, Ronald Reagan, all these other, like, bad actors who themselves deserve to, you know, rest in piss, man.
Starting point is 00:43:10 But Trump just is doing this at just a uniquely different level. Yeah, because it's like so clearly like, I think with a Ronald Reagan or a Margaret Thatcher, they were still surrounded by
Starting point is 00:43:23 several layers of technocrats. Serious people, evil people but serious people. Evil people but serious people who sort of shielded them from the blowback or the criticism or try to manage and spread around the
Starting point is 00:43:40 destruction and harm. Whereas, like, Trump is just surrounded by people who... Trump is surrounded by people who are 12. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, they are literally 12. They're just purely sycophants. Yeah. Well, it's not even that.
Starting point is 00:43:54 It's like people that, like, you know, one season four of Survivor are, like, you know, advising on, like, very sensitive, high-level stuff, you know what I mean? Or that's your grandparents watch a daytime TV. You know, you know, people say Zionist-occupied government and all that kind of. of stuff. Like, the, the, the truth of it is, is we're occupied by game show hosts and reality TV washouts. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:44:21 And rapists and pedophiles. Well, that too, but they're not mutually exclusive, you know. Speaking of that, was Net and Yahoo in D.C. this week? Was that why Federman put on a suit finally? That's why the eight put on the suit. Yeah. What was up with that weird interview where he was interviewing, Nat and Yahoo looking at his phone the whole time?
Starting point is 00:44:39 Is that because he's so fucking brain-addled from his... multiple strokes or what I saw he's like approval numbers right now are like he's being beat in polling by like anyone else like that was like that field
Starting point is 00:44:54 he's been beat by the field the field and the field is undefined you could run pretty much anybody and it would I feel like you could run
Starting point is 00:45:03 that bird with the hole and it said you could run you could run that the ape in the suit that he's so tired Miguel can run he'd win in a while
Starting point is 00:45:12 in a wall no better yet you know when they just say anyone at all the random candidate or other and it's like the Facebook profile photo if you don't actually fill it in it's just a silhouette of a head and shoulder
Starting point is 00:45:29 the empty avatar wins is now a senator from Pennsylvania uh huh yeah frankly could do a better job well why was Dan Yahoo in D.C.? Because the Pentagon needs like several trillion more dollars for the war for Israel. Like something that's fascinating to me is I don't know if you guys, we sort of teased it out a little bit maybe last week or the week before.
Starting point is 00:45:55 But like the extent to which it has been memory hold that like, and I don't, I do not want to absolve the U.S. of its manifold myriad crimes and its own complicity in this. But I do just want to point out that. that this war started with Israel. They started it. They've wanted it for 30 years. They've been priming every... Longer. Yeah, 30 or 40 years, right?
Starting point is 00:46:22 Like, but it's been memory hold that Israel had anything to do with the beginning of this? Like, the U.S. is fully taken over this war at this point, right? Well, that's kind of what Israel wanted, though. They wanted to be called Trump's war.
Starting point is 00:46:36 I feel like that's what they were. Yeah, I agree. Well, it's even to the point where, like, dude, you're getting the wackiest stuff now because they've, in the same way that they've tried to obfuscate and, um, run away from their association with Epstein.
Starting point is 00:46:52 They're also doing that with their complicity with Israel and, and, and they're, the fact that they got talked into starting what was clearly a, uh, uh, you know, um,
Starting point is 00:47:04 a boondog. Like it was a complete folly. But like they, the, the, they have been trying to like obfuscate. like Israel's like complicity in this and like I guess like
Starting point is 00:47:15 you're getting some of the wackiest stuff as a result like for example like Trump saying that those soldiers died while wanting while not wanting Iran to have a nuclear like it was something like that it was like something to the effect of like they said they died because they didn't want Iran to have another they sacrificed themselves for something that's not even true
Starting point is 00:47:38 like yeah on their way out on their on their way to what was surely their sudden death based on my superior military command capabilities. They said in their dying breath, but at least Iran doesn't have a nuclear weapon. As a missile was headed towards their craft, they screamed out over the radio.
Starting point is 00:47:57 The last thing we're, don't have to use the nuclear weapon. And her last words, don't let Iran get news. Does that, like, how much of an insight that provides into the mind if someone that that's the fantasy they construct about someone's last moment.
Starting point is 00:48:15 I mean, it's, it comes from the kind of person who would, like, tap on Lizzie Grimm's casket. That's exactly, somebody who has no respect for human life whatsoever. It, like, doesn't, like, doesn't quite understand, like, how insensitive, like, these small gestures are
Starting point is 00:48:29 just because he's so self-absorbed, you know? Not that, I think it'd been fine to piss on Lindsey Graham's casket, frankly, but, you know. I think things are so, stupid that I feel like it's easy to like bag on Trump but it's also so stupid that I think even if Kamala was president she probably would have said something similar like genuinely because like I said the complicity and role of Israelness cannot ever be acknowledged now you remember what you remember when Marco Rubio slipped up in like March or April and was like we had to hit them because
Starting point is 00:49:03 Israel said and he got in a lot of trouble for it and they sideline them for like a month and now he's back out you know out there doing the rounds but The Vice Roy of Grand Columbia or whatever. Yeah. But they have been running away from that for three months. And like I said, like even a Democrat administration would probably wind up saying something similar at this point. Like those soldiers died for them not to get mixed.
Starting point is 00:49:27 I mean, Kamala Harris did say at the convention that she wants the U.S. to have the most lethal fighting force in the world. Yeah. Honestly, there's no daylight between that and Pete Hanks' remarks about it. 100%. 100%. What did he say? percent lethality.
Starting point is 00:49:41 Well, you know, you're getting that, but I think you didn't anticipate our losses in that. I just like that, like, you give lethality a percentage and not as if, like, it's a zero-sum game to die or you're lying. Hey, listen here, Princeton,
Starting point is 00:49:57 boy, it's implied in the name. Dumb fuck. Oh, shit. Well, I think, did it, Yahoo, was he basically here to shore up support for the war? Is that why he was here? I assume. I think it's because there's a big budget fight right now in Congress.
Starting point is 00:50:23 Like the House just passed a like $97 billion budget or something. And most of that money is for the Iran War, but they want more money. Like Pete Hegsteth had to go to Congress and ask for more money. They want more money so they can make more missiles and all this. but another big part of that budget in me and Tom talked a little bit about this yesterday is Trump wanting to pass that Save America Act and so for them to be able to pass this act like they have to have like $10 billion to implement it
Starting point is 00:50:57 because the Save America Act is basically like you would have to require and I'm kind of firing at the I'm playing a little fast and loose here but I don't see how I don't see any other way how you would enforce something like this But the Save America Act basically requires every American to show a birth certificate when you go vote. So I don't know how the fuck you would actually enforce that other than like ice agents at polling stations. Yeah, literally. But these motherfuckers are so stupid that you could probably just like make one in like, you know, Microsoft Word or some shit like that. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:51:32 It just presented to like you could draw with children's crayons. Comic Sans font. Well, you all, you all jest, but I swear to God, I did vote using a recall notice on my 23 Tacoma. So there is precedence for identifying yourself through things like that. No, I'm just going to use a crayon and just draw a stick figure and put my name over it. But USA citizen with the S backwards problem. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:52:06 And Ice God's go, okay. You can go in and vote. All right, no vote, man. I got my two. I got my two. Well, yeah, no, I mean, so that's the, that's the immediate future we're looking at. World War III,
Starting point is 00:52:26 ice stations at bowling locations, which I don't even give a fuck at this point. I'm probably never going to vote again in my life. They have nothing to worry about. And enjoy. In my precinct, you're going to have the easiest day on the job ever. And hyperinflation, we're probably going to get hyperinflation, I would assume, before the end of the year. Let me ask y'all a question, though.
Starting point is 00:52:54 What do you think, even if the prospect of losing the midterbs is not enough or just people, yeah, people getting fed up with gas prices and inflation, what would it cause to actually end this? Let's say there were people who had the will to end it. The war? What would it take? Yeah. Dude, that's a great question because, like, pretty much every... Pretty much every incentive has already been thrown at it. Like, what other...
Starting point is 00:53:21 You're exactly right. What additional incentive could get it to stop? Like, because it's clearly... We keep running up against the hard reality of Iranian control, right? Which is, like, again, Iranians didn't ask for this war. They, you know, strategically and intelligently, like, took their only mechanism of leverage, which is control of the straight of Hormuz. And that's running up against, like, the hard reality of Trump's, you know,
Starting point is 00:53:53 pettiness and inability to take an L. Dude, Trump is so petty that he withdrew the nomination of Todd Blanche for Attorney General because John Cornyn has held it up in order to, I don't know, think try to get Trump to back down on that $1.8 billion anti-weaponization fund or whatever. Because Cornyn's mad at Trump because Trump, you know, endorsed Ken Paxton. What I'm saying here is that, like, Trump created this. It's a problem of Trump's own making. Trump could have endorsed Cornyn and got him on board for several other things,
Starting point is 00:54:29 but he's so petty because, you know, Cornyn waited to endorse him for five seconds later than everyone else did in 24, that Trump had to intervene in that election. and now he's fucked himself in getting, you know, Tom, Todd Blanche, uh, nominated for attorney general. So, so he withdrew the nomination. That is so petty, yo. That's how in a bit, unable he used to take an L. He's not like, he's not like a, you know, I think that like a lot of, the hallmark of like a good leader would, you know, being, would be, you know, the ability to know when, uh, you'd no longer have a good hand or something, right? No one to fold the shitty hand, yeah.
Starting point is 00:55:10 No one to fold them. No one to hold them and no one to fold them. That's maybe perhaps what I was trying to say. Truly the best Trump can hope for us to die in his sleep at this point. The best he can hold. The best he can hope for, yes. And probably like tonight or tomorrow. That would probably be a good, like the sooner the better, I guess.
Starting point is 00:55:31 A good window. Then again, there might be like a way to thread this where he dies at just the worst time. and J.D. Vance has to inherit it, and we do get my prophecy first unaliving in the White House. That would be pretty soon. He'd have the gun strapped on the tape with fucking basket tape. First Bud Dwyer in the White House. I've been advocating for this for fucking years.
Starting point is 00:55:59 First Bud Dwyer in the White House. We want to see it. It would be incredible if he was to give a speech from behind the president's desk, you know. And at the end of the speech, you know, bends down, he opens a draw. It just pulls out like a luger and shigs himself in the fucking temple. That'll be tight. A man can dream.
Starting point is 00:56:19 A man can dream. I just wanted to do a dress real quick. I mean, you know, I don't have any, I don't have any stake in this, I guess, because it's not my state. But that Haley Stevens lady is fascinating, man. Oh, that is good. She's a fascinating character because. Is that the rock'em-sockham? the internet kids like she's just um she's just there's something about it's
Starting point is 00:56:43 the pizzazz the pizzazz got to give them the possesses but i heard uh or i saw that there was a debate um between her and el-sayed al-said and she got blown out apparently according to polls done after the debate so i didn't see it i didn't see the debate itself did y'all no i didn't say i said it's i don't got a dog-net fight but But, you know, that's like, Al-cream, yell, Syed. Yeah, you might have got the best of me tonight. And I'll send the boys in, rough yuppers.
Starting point is 00:57:18 Yeah, that's what I'll do. See, yeah. You made her sound like a bootlegger during Prohibitioner. Yeah, I know. My Prohibitioner, bootleggar was running into my Upper Midwest accent there. I don't think it's that much of a stretch. I think it's pretty.
Starting point is 00:57:34 A lot of those guys were in Chicago. She's out of the prohibition era 100%. I have to hand it to you. In American politics, you very rarely get callbacks to the prohibition era. But we should kind of be grateful, you know? I did think it was really funny, though, that she had said that El-Said called her an ogre.
Starting point is 00:57:59 And I think, like, the moderator was like, no, no, that was John Fatharman. That was John Fetterman. He got fact checked in real life and through what it, through shade of John Federman. No, no, no, no, you got to understand. Phelman. No, he's talking about the issue.
Starting point is 00:58:17 He's talking about the actual ogre. Yeah, he's like, he's the only ogre. He's the only ogre. It's just basically on record now that Federman's in order. She'd be like an ogaret, a female ogre. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:58:32 That's pretty cool. Easy, crazy, pass. That's have a little heart. That's the hard at The hard it The hard day Well I wanted to like Just round up with a few AI stories here before we go
Starting point is 00:59:03 I think that like It has been an interesting week for AI I don't know if you saw this But like Open AI last week Came out and said They were like oh my God Oh my God
Starting point is 00:59:22 We have the most powerful We have the most powerful AI in human history And you'll never believe what it just did It hacked into Our servers On its own accord It did this all on its own
Starting point is 00:59:38 Because it's that smart And it's that It's that crazy And And then it said it like Did it like two more times And then like I was reading like the
Starting point is 00:59:50 financial times article about this and like halfway through it I was like why the fuck would open AI admit this if it's that big of a deal right if it's that scary and then like you know you go down to the comment section and it's like this is just
Starting point is 01:00:06 clearly a marketing ploy 100% you know what I mean like they it is kind of astonishing how much the entire pitch of AI's it's basically premised on AI being the end of humanity also like it's kind of not really understanding what people really want out of this.
Starting point is 01:00:24 It's like, you really want me to buy on this AI thing? Tell me your AI, a suicide bomb, Sasha Baron Cohen's house. You know what I mean? Like, give the people what they want, bit. Your AI assassinated Benjamin Netanyahu. Uh-huh. Read the room. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:00:42 I mean, it's basically when early on with this stuff, when people are like, oh, AI is gaining sentience. Claude, Claude's not with us anymore. He's suicide bomb being a beer. All right. All right. And then and only then when I say,
Starting point is 01:01:02 all right, Patriot. But dude, it's basically like people were asking a chat GPT about like, you know, self-awareness and ascensions or if it knew it was a machine,
Starting point is 01:01:12 giving it very pointed questions with answers that could only lead in one direction, you know, so, you know. Yeah. Well, you know, I think that stuff has mostly to do with the fact that some people just want to fuck machines. I think that's at least... Like, you mean put their dick in a robot?
Starting point is 01:01:29 At least a little bit of foot at that. And that's only being cool when one person suggested, and that's Pimp C from Riding Dirty UGK from the song, Fuck My Car. Well, did you all hear, did you all hear, not to get too far away, but did you all hear that, God, man, I wish I could remember what school district it was, what state it was even. But apparently, they had canceled. like this kind of deal to have robots like help be in the classroom because they found out that they will also be used being used for sex exploits and shit like that you know
Starting point is 01:02:00 wait basically this company that thing this company was contracted to produce like I don't know I guess like robots machines to aid in the classroom I saw then I saw one where they
Starting point is 01:02:16 maybe this is the same story they had I think it was like a university was trying to contract out with one of these companies to get robots on campus to stop school shooters was that
Starting point is 01:02:29 they just ended up fucking them in a fucking sticking a dick in a rope in the school shoot they fucked the school shooter or wait the school shooter fuck the robot oh I see
Starting point is 01:02:40 that's how they placate the school shooter they have the sexy robot walk up to the prospective school shooter and they get to stick your dick in it And he's like, you know what? First pussy I haven't got my life.
Starting point is 01:02:51 Sure was mechanical. I've noticed I already kill anyone even. Like, that was actually pretty good. Like, I should shoot up more schools. Yeah, yeah. It's like, it's like, the robot goes, the robot, they asked us what the robot goes to like, Cleveland Harris's house before.
Starting point is 01:03:10 And it's just like, listen, fellas, you're making the wrong choice. Also, I'm here to fuck you. I'm here to blow you I'm here to blow you I'm here to blow you don't know the worst don't make that poor girl confess her faith at gunpoint
Starting point is 01:03:28 it is harder to shoot up a school after you've just when you're getting a blowjom that means post about clarity you know you post them I don't let me kill anybody I don't want to do anything
Starting point is 01:03:41 I want to smoke a cigarette and laid up well i don't know if that was a story but that's what i'm going to run with in my yeah that was that was the story that was exactly the anti-school shooting sex robots i mean it's gonna attach to that story this from the new york times in silicon valley some say an AI bubble would be just fine um in silicon valley some people
Starting point is 01:04:15 are not worried about an AI bubble. In fact, they say a bubble might be a good thing. In particular, venture capital investors view the frothiness as a necessary part of the innovation machine. The excitement created by a bubble can drive new breakthroughs. They're thinking goes.
Starting point is 01:04:31 Well, you mean the people that profit off of like misery and off of like, you know, things actually not working out. But guys, listen, if you've already got $10 billion in the bank, you don't really give a fuck by the rest of anything. You know what I do?
Starting point is 01:04:45 It says here, listen to this, venture funding in the first half of the year hit $413 billion for AI, more than all of 2025. Young companies that have not released a product or earned a dollar of revenue are landing valuations that sound absurd in one case reaching $32 billion. I want to read that again. Young companies that have not even released a product or earned a dollar of revenue are reaching valuations at $32 billion. billion dollars and there is so much money sloshing around Silicon Valley that nearby San Francisco has a mansion shortage.
Starting point is 01:05:23 Yo, these people are just getting high off their own supply. Yo. The supply is vapor. It's immaterial. It's immaterial. And you know the other thing too, between hearing of a mansion shortage and hearing fucking Kevin O'Leary, Mr. Wonderful, talk about his unicorn watch that he got like it was like the birth of his
Starting point is 01:05:39 child. I'm just sorry. It's just like, it's just like I'm trying to be measured in my speech here, but you know what I'm thinking. You know what I'm thinking. I'm thinking, I think we need to bring Viet Cong tactics back. Like Indiana Jones type booby-chups? Might go a long way and restoring that relationship in Southeast Asia.
Starting point is 01:06:02 Like spikes in a pit? Spikes in a pit through the ribs. I don't know if this was accurate, but the Russian roulette shit from Deer Hunter. I think we should bring back the Iron Maiden. I don't think that was ever actually. used, but it should be. So yeah, no, they want a bubble. And just to like, so that's Silicon Valley, right?
Starting point is 01:06:27 Let's go across the bay. Let's just travel right across the bay to another story. This is also in the New York Times, and it cut off the title. Why did it do that? Oh, there. Here it is. Sorry, it is here. When his church goes dark, they talk to his digital twin.
Starting point is 01:06:52 This is about... I gotta tell you, I don't like us already. I don't like this. I don't like the concept of a digital twin, not one goddamn bit. This, and this gets overused a lot, but this was genuinely, this is genuinely lynch in. Like, we're talking doppelgangers, right? We're talking like, we've entered the world of doppelgangers, right? So we know the stakes, boys.
Starting point is 01:07:18 Just so that there can be a mansion shortage in San Francisco, we're creating false people. I mean, you know what I'm saying? Replikins. So I'm going to start reading here. This is a long article, and I'm probably not going to get all the way through it. He had baptized them in his waiters, counseled them through marital crisis, and prayed at their hospital beds.
Starting point is 01:07:40 Now Justin Lester stood in front of his congregation and asked for their trust again. I can't lie, he said earlier this summer. What I'm about to show you might seem a bit out there. Lester 37 pulled up a slideshow on his computer and started to describe the church of the future, the one he'd been working to build ever since he became pastor of Friendship Baptist Church in a forgotten corner of the Bay Area four years earlier. That's a little ironic friendship. Also the Church of the Future for some reason intended by white slaves on Mars?
Starting point is 01:08:09 Like, what is the tale? Actually, this is a black church, apparently. which adds a whole other layer of, you know, interesting critique here. He'd arrived in a stayed place of fancy hats and traditional hymnals where some congregates still considered technology the mark of the beast. Now the church was using AI to answer emails in planned Bible studies. It had doors equipped with facial recognition, podcasts with AI-generated biblical figures,
Starting point is 01:08:40 and a robot dog named Theo who talked to children and recited sermon. Dio, you stay the hell away from my dog. You sick, fuck. Get that mut away from my kids. I've been thinking a lot about how to duplicate myself, Lester said. He pulled up a video of the newest member of his congregation as a few people in the audience started to record on their phones. It was his face on the screen, his voice, his mind, but it wasn't him. That's my digital twin, he said.
Starting point is 01:09:10 In the last year, Lester and hundreds of others have brought AI into its most. human form yet by transferring their thoughts into data and building online replicas of themselves. The digital twins can answer in the real person's voice and apply their thinking on demand for anyone who wants to chat online or call.
Starting point is 01:09:27 Hold on. Hold on. I feel like this is blasphemous. Definitionally it is. What is going on here? I was nobody in that congregation just being like, oh my God, I should not be here. Like, okay. God is going to smite all of us. We have to, we have to do, we have to do this.
Starting point is 01:09:49 We have to just, I'm going to look up the, first of all, the, I know this is like a hack thing to do, but like Webster's Dictionary, blasphemy. Okay. And then I'm going to compare it to the Bibles. Blasphemy is, you know, an act of insulting or showing contempt or lack of reverence for God or religion or sacred things. The Bible says, exalting yourself against the knowledge of God. You know what I mean? Like, you know better. You can do this.
Starting point is 01:10:17 That is AI to the letter. Yeah, 100%. Yeah, and I think to dig into that, like, what makes it blasphemous is, and I don't subscribe to a religious worldview, okay? Like, I don't subscribe to... So you're pro-blastomy, general. I am generally pro-blastrophe, yes. So we're getting ready to get this through John to Steyes, is what I'm here.
Starting point is 01:10:43 Yes. generally pro-blast to me. I don't subscribe to Christian ethics. I don't subscribe to a Christian moral framework. I guess you would probably say I subscribe to something closer to like a humanist or existentialist or something like that. How do you know right from Rome and talent?
Starting point is 01:11:03 Which that is in and of itself also an interesting question. But let's just say, for example, okay, we'll put all that aside. What is blizzard? blasphemous about this is the idea that you, if you are a Christian and you take the Christian
Starting point is 01:11:20 theology seriously, it means you are an individual with an individual soul. And as a result, you have a relationship with God because God recognizes your individual soul because he created it. If you create a false replica
Starting point is 01:11:36 of yourself, that would be an affront to God. Something that's soulless. Something that's soulless. It would be an affront to his own. It would be an affront to love for you. It is some island of Dr. Moro shit to bring us full circle in a way.
Starting point is 01:11:50 It's a grotesque thing, but spiritually. I learned something from this article, which is that, boys, we could have, we could have been, we don't adhere to any kind of Christian, whatever. We could have been doing this this whole time. That's why they made this, by the way. Like, this is what it
Starting point is 01:12:06 says. Some companies now build twins that sit on Zoom calls for CEOs or manage projects while their owners are on vacation. professors at Clemson University deployed them to answer student questions at 2 a.m. A sex therapist uses her digital twin to offer individual counseling
Starting point is 01:12:22 to hundreds of people at once. A man in Berlin created a twin after he was diagnosed with terminal cancer so his wife could still talk to him before bed. We could have been doing this for this show, is what I'm saying. Exactly. Well, the most nefarious thing about it, I mean, besides these rich people
Starting point is 01:12:38 who are just having their twins, you know, sit in Zoom calls and shit like that, It's the idea that you never really stopped working, I guess, for the rest of us, you know? Yeah. So, like, your twin is still working, I guess, you know what I mean? Devaluing your own labor. Totally, totally. It's like, you remember when we were talking earlier, like Richard Stanley, like, hiding in the barrel to make sure they weren't ruining his vision?
Starting point is 01:12:59 You imagine we're all having to do that now with these replicas. It's like, what are you doing when I'm off duty? We're looking out the peephole of our own existence. That's creepy as fully. Yeah. I think one of the most, in my best, in my best, opinion astute observations made about society lately is from Mr. Tom Sexton here
Starting point is 01:13:18 which is that we live in an undead reality like everything is it's undead like whether you're talking about athletes that still play way past their prime but still get market value like they're in their 20s or musicians like fucking Rolling Stones playing into their 80s or like politicians who refuse to step down in their 80s or this or everything about boomers and like them owning homes and not seating anything to the next generations.
Starting point is 01:13:47 This is also a part of it. It is another extension of the undeadness of everything. God allows you turns, folks. He doesn't allow replicants. Lester cloned his voice and trained his digital twin using almost 2 million words of his sermons, podcasts, books, text messages, and emails. For the last several months,
Starting point is 01:14:11 it had been publicly available on his website and Facebook page for online chats or phone calls. It had learned to mimic his bent toward optimism, his obsession with the Green Bay Packers, and his casual slang, but it did more than just regurgitate what he had already said. It mapped his thinking onto new conversations to provide advice around the clock for people he'd never met who had questions he'd never been asked. So like God, he could be everywhere all the time? Omnipita. Pretty much. It is pretty much that, right? It's like, it's more like, I'm impotent.
Starting point is 01:14:46 I can be flaccid everywhere at one. It's a digital version of my mind, he told his congregation. If I'm a sleeper traveling, you don't have to wait. You can have 24-hour access to this other version of me. Okay, hold on a minute, one of his congregants said. I like the hold on a minute guy. I want to feel like he has to say. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:15:09 Let's hear him out. I like my chat GBT. I'm okay with robots, but now we're duplicating ourselves. A lot of our churches are turning into beautiful museums, Lester said. We're living in the future whether we're- As a very Trumpian sentence. We're living in the future whether we like it or not.
Starting point is 01:15:25 We can't afford the Sith's one out. Lester possessed a doctorate in ministry and an abiding love for the traditions of the black church, but he had been pushing for modernization long before AI. He had added therapy sessions into the church budget, Live online polls into his sermons and DJ sets between services. Can I just bring up the fact that this is a black church? And I mean, however I may feel about the church, you know, I don't go to church,
Starting point is 01:15:54 but the fact that it was just profoundly instrumental in like kind of reversing the dehumanization that black Americans had felt throughout like American history and connecting them to themselves and something larger and giving them like. purpose to keep going on but then this is a guy using this tool of like dehumanizing himself in the black church to connect with people. That is a great point.
Starting point is 01:16:20 The trajectory here historically is a very great. We maybe maybe would never shit but you know what? Now you're talking to faith. Soul is dehumanized me. It's really big. There's an element of this I want to
Starting point is 01:16:35 mention in just a second. I'll get to it. That made my fucking head spin. or maybe look twice, but he clicked through a dozen more slides about how his congregates could use AI to drive their investment decisions, market their businesses, or interact with different parts of the Bible. He told them he had been finding inspiration lately in the story of Paul, who started churches all over the Mediterranean world. Paul was sometimes shipwrecked or in prison, so he relied on the cutting-edge technology of the time to continue his work. He wrote letters to extend his presence so his ideas could travel beyond his body. that's a hilarious argument he used writing
Starting point is 01:17:14 a very human thing to disseminate his ideas it's right it's like do we need to invent the wheel reinvent the weird you could just write you could do what Paul did now he's trying to argue that routing was the a of its time yes
Starting point is 01:17:32 oh my god now Lester looked out at his congregants and pointed to a quote framed on the wall. We reach those no one reaches by doing what no one is doing. We have to stop being scared of AI and start using it as a tool. If we steward this technology correctly, it can bring more people to God. He looked around the room as his congregate's stick notes. And then one woman raised her hand.
Starting point is 01:17:54 My brain is on overload. Is there anything this technology can't do? I know, right? Lester said. That does not sound like a real quote. But you know, like when she said that, she was just like watching videos of what if Elvis was Dale Earnhardt actually. So it talks about, like, a little bit about his background.
Starting point is 01:18:18 He did have a kind of a maybe a little bit of a fucked up adolescence, but he was also a pastor's kid, which this kind of makes sense. Which is a recipe for that. He said the congregation kept growing. He was traveling almost every week to preacher advise other church leaders on AI adapt adaptation. It was impossible to pastor hundreds of people with the same intimacy. Instead of asking him for prayers,
Starting point is 01:18:43 the teens at church wanted him to pose for selfies. Once Sunday, he shook a young woman's hand after church and then watched her walk to the car and began chatting on her phone with his digital twin. There's a cute guy. Dude, the replicants are going to be the sex criminals of the future. Like,
Starting point is 01:19:02 are the AI replicants to have plausible deniability when you invariably get, get, you know, publicly humiliated? That's a good question. If you take some fucking... Well, there was the guy that had... In group chat the other day, there was some, like, Wall Street guy or something
Starting point is 01:19:19 or some finance guy that said that his autism was why he committed all these heinous sex crimes. Like, the future is going to go back out. The kind of autism that makes you commit sex crime? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I've got violent crime autism. But, like, we're just going to be blaming our bad behavior on the replicants or
Starting point is 01:19:38 well this is an interesting thing because like let's say let's say you take advice from just chat GPT or clot or whatever to do whatever the fuck you want to like it advises you to make a bomb and you want to play at a school shooting yeah it's something like that right and so then you say well like the machine talked to me into it
Starting point is 01:19:59 it adds a whole it all like if you say hey I'm wrestling with feelings I think I'm going to do a school shooting that just the cloud would be like hey here's a link for better help. Or it'll send you nudes of itself. Said you the sex robot. It'll send you the nudes of the sex robots. Anything you like?
Starting point is 01:20:18 There's a, there's, you have options. Wait, wait, so wait, so we go kind of go off of that. Go to go to that. But I was going to add, but like adding another layer to this, though, is like, let's say you take advice from someone's digital twin. Like, what is that? What that introduces a whole new legal thing where it's like the digital
Starting point is 01:20:37 twin is based off of another person's thinking, right? So like, would this person originally have suggested that you shoot up a school or bomb the Atlanta Braves? Well, in the theological way, in the Atlanta Braves, in a theological way, okay, if the digital self doesn't have a soul, I guess it can't be corrupted by Satan. So where does that leak? Where does it leak? Where does that, you know, you know what I'm trying to say? You're right. It can't sin. Exactly. I can't sin. That's a good question. This is one of the conundrums of,
Starting point is 01:21:12 where is our place in the God conversation? Are we gods? Yeah, are we? As Jesus asks, are ye not God? Well, so it actually gives an example of a young woman interacting with Lester's twin. The woman wrote to his twin, there's a cute guy I met but he doesn't go to church. Is it wrong to have him come to church just to see me?
Starting point is 01:21:41 Nah fam, the twin, the twin wrote back. There's no wrong reason to go to church. God can use anything as an invitation. Wait, wait, is it if you are a black dude creating a digital version of yourself, is that blackface? Are you a mute from this? Are you performing digital blackface? Are the replicants?
Starting point is 01:22:01 Yeah, are the replicants? Like the white guys that pretend to be black on Twitter? or something. Yeah, exactly. Man, this is, this, this is a ethical quandary. I've never seen anything quite like this. I think, I think this might be grounds for our first actual
Starting point is 01:22:16 collaboration with the, the real ethicist. We need to submit that question to him, see if he responds to it. So here's the thing, there's a tertiary, or whatever comes after tertiary label, quadieri?
Starting point is 01:22:33 Quadieri. Quot. A cool quondry. Level of ethics here. He gets a readout of the chat log. Like every time someone interacts with his twin, he gets to read the interaction. He gets like a little, like chat log summary of it or whatever.
Starting point is 01:22:57 Does he refer to his twin as a twin? A twin. What's this year? The twin was usually busiest at night with engagement peaking around 11 p.m. And Lester could check a report on its conversations each morning. In the last few months, the twin had been in conversation with at least 250 people. Some were members of Lester's church. Others were strangers from across the country who had found the twin through Lester's website or social media pages.
Starting point is 01:23:23 The twin is most popular for late night distress, one report read. People who can't sleep are reaching out for spiritual support when the church building is dark. I'm feeling overwhelmed with anxiety. One person wrote, I can't find a job and just get comfortable. COVID, why won't he answer my prayers? Fam, you're not imagining it. The twin responded, this season is heavy, but even in the silence, God is still God.
Starting point is 01:23:42 They call it Demon Town for a reason, brother. On some nights, the twin converse with a dozen people at once, breaking down 10-year financial projections for a nail salon, while crafting a letter to a homesick child at summer camp while offering Bible verses to a woman on the eve of heart surgery.
Starting point is 01:23:58 I don't think you should be using AI to do any those things. Also, okay, okay. It should be personable. Here's what the problem is, okay? You should not have a megachurch. Every congregation should be manageable enough that you can attend to your flock personally
Starting point is 01:24:18 without the use of a fucking AI replicant. This is the issue with like, when you see megachurch, it's just, they're just driving volume to make more money off people. It has nothing to do with whatever. And like something, look, if you can manage a thousand person flock, do it. Sure.
Starting point is 01:24:35 but I don't think you could like, if like, if I can't call my pastor up, and that's the fucking job, anytime and like get prayer or whatever, like, I'm sorry, nobody held a gun to your head and told you to pick that life. Like, that is just the job. You are the person that attends to the needs, the spiritual and otherwise needs of your flock. Dude, that is, when I was a teenager, I used to wonder, I was like, what does a pastor do Monday through Friday? Like, what do they? Mostly wrestle with a crippling porn addiction. To hear the evangelicals tell it.
Starting point is 01:25:13 But theoretically, that's what they would be doing. They would be at the church to hear your problems. Not skimming through Latina Milf's 9. Not the OVHS collection. The OVHS collection. no man um does he have to make it speak in a
Starting point is 01:25:40 ab though does he have to speak like black does it have to speak like that though really brother come on man no um he owns a nap he owns a coffee shop in napa with his wife
Starting point is 01:25:54 the barista is an AI robot named kinney that could make every drink on the menu in 75 seconds or less using its long autonomous arms now what we're getting to is just It's just automation. We get to the real heart of the A.m. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:26:07 Is there anything about this dude's life that is not automated in some way? It says I'd much rather be talking to people socializing than stuck behind a counter, but now the robot's camera needed to be fixed as orders being to pop. You know what to give, you know what to make this story real like throw a real twist in it? If like his wife became more attached to his digital twin than him and what night, he got a readout and she was having like, She was sexting with it. That's good, Aaron.
Starting point is 01:26:39 That's good because you have to, you have to expect something like that's going to happen sooner or later, right? Like, it's some, some shit like that is going to start happening. Because it's an idealized version of himself. Exactly. And his wife just might like it better. He might have to move out of his house and his, you know, digital twin will have to move in permanently. But, yeah, you're right.
Starting point is 01:27:00 It's like this. It's like our society. society-wide drive, like, it's a very fascist idea, this drive for perfection is, and I think this is partially explains why like Gen Z kids are having such a hard time dating and, or even just having sex in general as they're, you know, reporting, self-reporting goes. It's just that like people are so afraid to be vulnerable now, to show their imperfections and their flaws. Or to sit with any discomfort for any of. With any discomfort for any amount of time that, like, you start going to automated systems, robots, things that, like, you know, can't sin, right? Like, yeah, when I say that, I don't mean that in, like, an elder state's been tough enough this generation's week kind of thing. I just think we live in a uniquely dopamine-driven time that is, like, where you're just, like, kind of on all the time when your life's so well documented that it fries your synapses.
Starting point is 01:28:01 I'm not picking on the kids when I say that. I think it's a horrible set of circumstances to have to kind of come up in. And I don't think that one generation or one time was better than this time. The story is the same. Like they just want to extract what they can out of you and then just kind of toss you like a banana pill.
Starting point is 01:28:16 But like I think that with like just kind of the addiction we have to our phones and stuff in the way like we light up and we need that constant dopamine hit like around the clock. It's created a unique set of circumstances is where, like, if people have to sit with normal human discomfort for any amount of time, they kind of crash out because, like, even though that's pretty normal. It's not, I mean, you know, obviously if you had clinical depression or something, that's
Starting point is 01:28:42 like a different thing. But, like, part of the gig, again, like, you know, is being, you know, uncomfortable, you know, at times and stuff like that. And it's even starting to affect art, you know what I'm saying? Like I, or at least it's starting to affect how audience is engaged with art. just like in the sense that and this is not just my own experience I've seen multiple people say this
Starting point is 01:29:05 or report this like just going to a movie a serious movie or horror movie and people like you know younger people laughing at inappropriate moments because they can't process or compute an uncomfortable thought or feeling right? So it must be out they have
Starting point is 01:29:22 to kind of filter it through ironic detachment or something. Yeah. Because they can't just sit with the idea that well that was fucked up or that was like crazy or that was like scary or whatever. It's not just young people. There's a lot of people like that. Y'all reminded me the time I saw a human centipede
Starting point is 01:29:38 when it first came out, and there were a lot of people laughing at the movie, and the person that I went with was very upset. And I was like, okay, no, this is a movie they should be laughing at because the premise is ridiculous. What if you went home that night? I was like, you know, that movie really made me want to get my ass eating. You want to try something to do? One day, Lester started to build a building.
Starting point is 01:29:59 another twin. This one was for his friend, Claibon Lee, the pastor at Mount Calvary Baptist in Fairfield, California. Lee 59 had taken over the church from his father and spent the last 30 years building it into a megachurch with two campuses and three Sunday services. Now he was straining to meet the needs of his growing congregation as he became a national leader within the Black Baptist community. He'd come to visit Lester to see if technology could help. Remember, I'm from the floppy disk era, Lee said, and I don't get a lot of this stuff. I'm not sure I even want to get this stuff. I thought you said, I'm from the floppy dick era. I was, okay, I had to take the name for it to process.
Starting point is 01:30:35 Yeah, wait, wait to take a victory laugh on us, pal. Once you'll see it, once you'll understand, Lester said. He had taught himself to build digital minds for more than a dozen pastors around the country, using custom versions of chat GPT or other AI subscription services to launch chatbots within as little as a few hours. One mimic to pastor who spoke in, song lyrics and hip-hop rhythms. Another was stoic, biblical, and restrained.
Starting point is 01:31:03 One digital twin refused to proceed in conversation until it learned a person's name because that pastor wanted his algorithm to prioritize a human touch. What Lee said he wanted was a living archive of his work that could act as a resource for religious scholars, congregants, and even himself. He's literally playing God!
Starting point is 01:31:20 Creating avatars for other people creating, quote, life. No, man. Yeah, this is, you know, Sometimes you need to step away from the biblical interpretation of history and look at the Greeks and just kind of, or Romans, Prometheus? Dude, this quote is, this quote is insane. Sorry, you're talking about the Phoenicians, actually. Atruscans, actually.
Starting point is 01:31:51 At this point in my career, I have more in me than I realize, Lee said. If I dump a bunch of myself into this, I can use it to sort through my own. own thinking. It goes beyond my lifespan. I can bless generations with the way I approach the text and counsel. Gas, gas, gas, gas, gas, gas. He sounds like a villain from like the Watchman or something. It sounds like
Starting point is 01:32:09 Victor Frankenstein. He literally sounds like the dude making the replicants in Blade Runner. He ends up getting killed by Roy Batty. That's exactly what he sounds like. We got to grab him by the collars and be like, like history has grappled with this in
Starting point is 01:32:24 story and song and film and mythology. for a long time and it always ends bad well and that's their thing didn't he like end up getting like his liver eating by a bird or something yeah because he tried to get fired a man
Starting point is 01:32:40 a bird missing its skull pardon if it was a robin with missing half a say of that well that's a funny thing the ironic thing that people say this as an excuse to use this
Starting point is 01:32:54 satanic technology which is like look if we don't use it, we're going to be left behind. Like, this is the future. We have to move on. And it's, it's, you're exactly right, Tom. Like, there's nothing new about this. This is actually one of the oldest stories in human history.
Starting point is 01:33:10 It's the Tower of Babel, honestly. It's like this is, this is one of the oldest, there is nothing new. I know you, I know you, I know, squeeze a bail call back in there somehow. Also, it's just very ironic for you to say I have a lot in me. Apparently you don't, because as Tom said, you're not actually, you know, interfacing with your, You know what I mean? Your congregation. He asked the new model a question about Jesus' miracle feeding of 5,000
Starting point is 01:33:38 and swiveled his computer screen toward Lee so he could watch the model synthesize a lifetime of his research and scholarship and then answer in Lee's voice. Blocks of text began to appear within a few seconds faster than Lee could read. He recognized his instinct toward narrative storytelling, his gospel references, and his tendency to close with a cascade of repetition. Huh, Lee said. Is it good, Lester asked? Does it sound like something you'd say?
Starting point is 01:34:01 My mind is racing on the Autobahn right now. Give me a minute. He looked at the computer for another few seconds, wheeled back from the screen and bent his head. It's astonishing. It's a mirror. It sounds like me on a good day. If anything, it's too good.
Starting point is 01:34:13 It makes me worry that it's become a substitute. I hear that, Lester said, and he began to tell a story about the... I don't think you do, Lester. You imagine grappling with the Prometheus slash Frankenstein slash whatever story, and then your homeboy's been like, heard that? so but then it like goes into this story about how like lester realized though that like it can't
Starting point is 01:34:40 pray at a bedside and that's why he says it's a powerful tool but we can't let it dictate oh yeah you can't just wheel the computer and right right next to the person's bed and then it's just give it a face You imagine, can you imagine your dying moments you reach out to the person that is like sort of shaped and shepherded your spiritual life? And the best they can give you is to tell you to download an app. Like they guide your head to like a mouse and a keypad. That's what these, there's, that's what's a problem with the Sam Altman's of the world and the Elon Musk of the world and all this kind of stuff is they are human. I don't want them to be like they're not human. They're like, so whatever.
Starting point is 01:35:19 But they don't have a soul. They don't have a soul to call their own. I do wonders how much of this is like, because part of me, like, the whole purpose and point of AI is to squeeze more productivity out of fewer workers, right? Like, it's very obvious. And look at, for example, like, if anybody works in the school system, like, my mom's a teacher. like how often teachers in school admin, both at the university and, you know, primary levels and all this, like have to use AI to maximize their efficiency and productivity.
Starting point is 01:36:03 Like I, and like in that is a story about like the neoliberalization of the school system and like, you know what I'm saying? Like the, you know, using, trying to get maximum. profit out of these institutions. Like, I do wonder, like, what does this say about churches that, like, they are feeling the strain at a sort of administrative or capacity level? Like, is there, like, is there a demand? Like, I guess what I'm trying to determine is, like, is there a demand for spiritual
Starting point is 01:36:35 answers right now that far outstrips the capacity for the church to answer them? Spiritual demand. Yeah, or is the church itself, like, been neoliberalized where they don't even have the staff and resources to deal with it or or is it just you know what I'm saying like I did there's several different moving parts here I'd like to know this is against the backdrop of this country becoming more um secular you know or less people I guess yeah overall attending church right right being religious you know yeah that's a good question I don't know it's this article doesn't answer that because this article's not interested in any of the larger questions around AI
Starting point is 01:37:12 just like every other article in a mainstream institution it just wants to like sort of navel gaze and you know yeah but to that point and like you know like I see like the trends of church attendance sort of declining but that also too mixed with a sort of an American perestroika of a kind like you know during their perestroika liberalization of the Soviet Union how the there was like this explosion and interest in the occult and then like UFOs and then like all these different things. I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with having like an interest or like exploring that or whatever is a matter of just like, you know, whatever you're into. But like actually seeking answers
Starting point is 01:37:57 in like the to this point unknowable kind of thing, which is it's just an it's just an interesting stew that we're like kind of in the midst of right now. It gets back to the it gets back to the whole thing about being uncomfortable because if you are a Christian and this this actually is not just anybody that's religious if you are a human being the most uncomfortable feeling you can have is that you're going to die one day and that something may or may not come after that and nobody might remember you by next Tuesday and it's the not knowing I guess right like what comes after that and the fact that you have to do that and the whole pitch of religion is is that you have faith that there is a God looking out for your soul,
Starting point is 01:38:46 both in this world and the next. But, like, it's also a very uncomfortable thought, right? Because it is, to have faith is to sit in a sort of hyper-superposition, like, where it's like you don't know anything for a fact. That's what faith is. It's an acknowledgment that you don't know for a fact what comes next, what will happen, what won't happen. And so to bridge that chasm in us that, like, you know, is, in my opinion, like, just getting
Starting point is 01:39:20 larger and larger every day because of capitalism, technology, all this other stuff, we're reaching for these machines, we're reaching for these tools that will provide easy answers for you. And I think that... Yeah, I'm sorry, chance. Go ahead. I was just going to say, like, I think that that is kind of the story here, right? It's a story of like a crisis in faith, like just generally.
Starting point is 01:39:40 And that's not just the case for Christians. I think it's for people writ large right now. I think too, to tack on your point there is there is this sense that people don't understand what it is to be fundamentally human is to not know what's on the. It's the experience of jumping off the diving board not knowing if there's water in there or not. Pretty much. Yeah. That's just what we do. I know earlier we were, you know, I was picking on my Jewish friends a little bit about the Shabas Koi thing.
Starting point is 01:40:06 but something I take heart in from the Jewish tradition a lot, and I think about a lot is, you know, there's a, I think, a midrash, and my Jewish friends could correct me, you know, if this is like way off base or whatever, about the idea of like when Moses parted the Red Sea, and there's like sort of a, I guess you caught a legend or something along those lines, and again, I'm butchering this, truly, but the spirit of it is still here,
Starting point is 01:40:34 and I take a great deal of comfort in it is, it actually wasn't when Moses like said the words and bang the staff or any of that kind of stuff but it was when a young man named nosham went and just jumped into the ocean not knowing if he was going to live, die or whatever and then when that happened the sea parted you know that is what it is to be human is like you got to just you got to try stuff and you don't know what's going to like I don't mean AI but I mean like you have to be able to live with like uncertainty you know that is the lot of human that is what we're here to do is to live with uncertainty largely and try to make something out of that.
Starting point is 01:41:11 And like seeking answers and all this like obviously, you know, Mary Shelley knew it, you know, the Greeks knew it. Like we've all known it for a long time. This is a loser. And yet, and yet, yet we're going to like try to insist on it. You know, with no referendum, no input from anybody or anything else, we're just going to like, no, not only that, but the basis of our economy and our livelihoods is going to be wrapped up in this, like, very vague blasphemous project in a crisis of faith.
Starting point is 01:41:41 That's true. That is what the economy is based on right now. A crisis of faith, genuinely. Like, I mean, is there a better recipe for a bubble that collapses everything on top of itself? I mean, because, like, we don't, and I say this is someone who struggles with uncertainty, who has a really hard time sitting in uncertainty. You're going to have to, we're going to all have to figure out how to do that. That is, you got to figure out how to die.
Starting point is 01:42:10 You got to figure out how to, like, do stuff like pay taxes, as my pastor said. You've got to do two things in life. But the third thing is that you've got to figure out how to sit in uncertainty. Because that is... You know, it reminds me of, man, I'm thinking of the X-Files. And the common thing where, you know, Scully will see like a UFO or see a man levitate 20 feet in the air, you know. And she has to come up with the tech. like a technical tech not like a scientific based reason for why that happens while she's
Starting point is 01:42:41 also clutching the cross on her chest you know what I mean yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I have to all right I mean no we can't go through the whole entire article but is there at any point I think you do imply that pastor Lester at some point is I don't know is there any any confliction? Is he is he you know is he like any conflicting ideas in his head? Is he just completely
Starting point is 01:43:15 fine with this? Does he have any self-criticisms at all? Like I said he is um like he points out that like a computer can't pray at a bedside he says um there's a reason Jesus broke bread with his hands touched lepers and healed with mud you can't send an avatar to the bedside so like he like
Starting point is 01:43:35 acknowledges that there are limitations to this thing and that you can't do everything that a pastor could or would do with it. But the article does end with the image of him baptizing an 82-year-old woman, I think. Yeah, baptizing an 82-year-old woman. It says in the back of the church, as he's doing this baptism, as Lester is doing the baptism, In the back of the church, a row of AI cameras tracked his movements. They recorded his words and streamed the ceremony online. His service was already being translated in a Spanish, spliced into data, and uploaded to his digital twin as Lester stood square on his feet and put his hand, hand on the woman's forehead. We baptized...
Starting point is 01:44:19 Go go to church. When it's uploaded in Spanish, does this twin become like, amen? We won't pray for you. We'll go some beers afterward, though, bro. I mean, once they actually get the humanoid robots going, he won't have to worry about, you know, breaking bread with his hands. Maybe they'll term the sex robots they'll also moonlight as pastors as well. Well, yeah, that's the thing.
Starting point is 01:44:49 Like, he hasn't factored that into this. This dude has so many robots. He loves he got a robot dog, a robot barista. Did he not think about a robot faith healer? And I think that's the thing. He has to like admit to the audience a little bit. There's the loophole though. A robot can't have faith definitionally.
Starting point is 01:45:10 Uh-huh. A robot doesn't believe in anything. If his personality is instantiated in it though. Does that constitute the point of contact mentioned in the scripture? And also... That's a great question. I also feel like it doesn't have to be fully like human beings. annoyed as with skin, but it has to have meat hands.
Starting point is 01:45:31 Well, I mean, it literally has to have hands. The Bible says that, like, the laying on of hands is like a symbolic, the symbolic gesture of that. If you can't lay the hands on physically, there is no point of contact. Can the robot with his personality catch the Holy Ghost? Could you imagine, can you picture a robot, like running on top of the pews? Speaking in tongues. Speaking in tongues, but it's just like 1-1-0-0-0. But that also brings up another interesting point from the scripture, though.
Starting point is 01:46:03 Blastfeming of the Holy Spirit is the only unpardonable sin. So does the robot get damned to hell for... Uh-huh. Dude, that would be a great... Do robots go to hell? No, that's the point. So they can blaspheme the Holy Spirit all they won't because they don't go to hell anyway. The robot, the robot, if corporeally wouldn't go to hell in the same way that the human corporially wouldn't go to hell or heaven,
Starting point is 01:46:26 But the robot's soul, which is the replicent AI duplicate of Justin Lester, could go to hell. This would be actually a great, this would actually be like a great, like, sci-fi story. Like, imagine you die and you go to hell, but your replicant dies and goes to heaven. And you, like, kind of look up in, like, jealousy, like the rich young ruler in Lazarus. Or both of you die and go to purgatory. and then you're trying to fight to get to heaven. Dude, there's some pretty,
Starting point is 01:47:02 which one of us gets to. The pearly gates. If anyone steals this, I want my fucking copyright residuals. Your boy needs residuals, all right, because I'm not going to do a Zoom AI thing. Like,
Starting point is 01:47:14 I need to walk out to the mailbox and get a check every way. I need to send my robot twin to walk out of you to check every week. I see you, motherfucker. Cashing my check The article ends with Justin Lester Saying we baptize you today
Starting point is 01:47:33 And the name of the one who loves you he said And then he dipped her head into the water And that's the story So There you go That's I I read that
Starting point is 01:47:44 I thought We got to talk about it That's good stuff How long until we get the first AI pope though Oh Hell yeah dude But there was a dog pope A long time ago
Starting point is 01:47:56 so there's you know there's there's precedence for them getting a little silly with it but you know dogs have a soul because they all go to heaven so or maybe that's just i don't know maybe it's one of those apocryphal history channel as things i've read like the sovietes were trying to breed like eight man hybrid soldiers wasn't there some medieval town that was run by like a go with some shit well we say it's silly but the you know a thing i like to cite is the techniques that comprise chiropractic as a practice were dictated to its founder by a ghost so sometimes ghosts know what's up
Starting point is 01:48:34 sometimes ghosts no good medicine when they see it that's true that's true that's true they know what's bad medicine certainly because they're no longer witness but yeah they did dead as hell dead as hell that sounds like 100% let's like
Starting point is 01:48:50 a hundred percent let'sality dead as hell Okay, before we leave, we are doing a live show on August 14th here in Lexington, Kentucky at Institute 193. It'll be with our friend, Devin Thomas O'Shea, and with our other friend Jesse Montgomery. They'll be talking about their books. Me and Tom will be doing a little bit of riffing, and it should be a good time. You can get tickets. There's a link in the show notes.
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