Trillbilly Worker's Party - Episode 457: Paying The Price

Episode Date: August 14, 2026

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So, being back in the old stomping grounds yesterday. Yeah. I noticed there is a, there's flock cameras and hazard now. Two of them to be exact. Um, where, I mean, at an intersection? There's one by Walmart. Okay. I was, you know, there's a flock map where you can,

I see. I mean, it's like a deflocking project, I think, or something's going like that. People have them mapped out. There's also a curious lack of flock cameras in wealthy areas. You know, the thing is, the thing about the proliferation of the flock camera, I don't know, man, it pisses me off so, so much. It, like, the persistence, the collective persistence, like, not just from the company itself, pushing these on people, but the municipality's going along with it?

Yeah. It's like, it's just pisses me off, man. No, it's just like, you know, I was talking to somebody about this, and it's like, you know, around 9-11, you know, we were all concerned about our privacy, that was like a big talking point and stuff, and then as time went on gradually,

that got chipped away with the Patriot Act and everything that happened post-9-11 and whatever, to the point where now, municipalities are just contracting with companies stealing our identities and our robinous of privacy and creating profiles on us for preemptive policing. Uh-huh. It's like, there's nothing more infuriating to me. Like, I told the, I was like, if I were the boss hog in charge,

I would send predator drones to murder every flock. company person. Uh-huh. I'm just, like, shoot them in the head. Like, no. And then I would send those same drones. It would be, like, kind of be like, inglorious bastards, but for predator drones.

That's how they could, like, maybe. Okay. So the plot of the movies, like. They, yeah, man, but they were trying to redeem themselves. So the plot of the movie is machines killing machines, basically. Right. Drones.

Hey. Right on. Good machines killing bad machines? It takes a good drone to kill a bad drone, essentially. You know what I mean? Huh. Well, anyway, it doesn't have to be that. Brad Pitt as a drone?

We can work. It's really funny. Oblige him. It's really funny that Brad Pitt announced he's back off the wagon. Oh, my God, dude. What a PR blunder. It's a really funny thing to announce. I like the show of support from other people that are like,

You know, Brad, I'll tell you what, I'm going to give up the alcohol sobriety portion of my sobriety in solidarity. In solidarity? They're like, yeah, Brad's doing it? Brad's done it, hell yeah. I guess I'll do it, too. Curious PR move, say the least. I don't know that I would have announced that I'm drinking again. I probably just kept back to myself.

Yeah. Even if I were. What sucks about today's day and age, and really this is more my complaint against what you would call woke and cancel culture really comes from what sucks about today's day and age is the 24 hour surveillance

it's like it's bad enough it's bad enough that like you are already watched every step of the day by flock cameras by your phone by your transaction

financially, by your algorithms, etc. But to have on top of that other people watching you and like everything you say and do, granted, I probably shouldn't have got a job as a public figure if it really bothered me. If you didn't, I'd be a public. A semi-public figure. Watched all the time.

Yeah, yeah. But, you know, 40, 50 years ago, you didn't know what your DJ looked like. And do you remember, do you remember the feeling of seeing a DJ that you had listened to for, you know what I mean? For years, you saw a DJ in the wild? I remember seeing Chicken Man for the first time, who was the DJ at my youth at Apple Shop. He kind of switched his focus to be the party DJ at the mix over in. Wise Virginia. Yeah.

It was like a little nightclub built into a holiday inn. And I remember coming in there and him playing, Do you really want to touch it? Do you really want to? Were you enamored because you saw him in person? Well, I didn't put two and two together. Then it was like, DJ Chicken Man. I was like, oh shit.

As in eight balls, is DJ Chicken Man and eight ball? It was the two. they were, you know, like that. It's like MJG and eight ball. Was that what that? Kind of, yeah. Wasn't that that was rapper's names? Eight ball and MJG.

Oh, it's backwards. But anyway, I saw the chicken and I talked to him. He was like, yeah, that was me, man. I was an MMT for years and then they fired me. Did they still sell cocaine and eight ball units? That's a good question. Did they ever? Did I make that up?

No, that. You sell it? You buy like an eight ball. It was like $100 worth of Coke. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it was more like $7. I wouldn't know anything about. I bought it by the half gram whenever I had my dalliance with it.

Oh, did you? 50 bucks for half a gram. Yeah, eight ball was like a hundred. It was like a hundred bucks. It was like a whole gram, right? I think, yeah. Dude, I don't remember. I haven't bought cocaine in probably 15 years.

I forget the economics of it or why we call things. What we call them. And I don't even know why. I admitted to that. Now they're building a profile of me somewhere. They are. It's like not even try to lure him in with the white stuff. He's been off it for 15 years now.

I couldn't even do it now. I was going to say if I wanted to. I do want to. It's not for lack of wanting to. I couldn't do it though. My fragile heart would explode. A hard time with heavy coffee. That's true.

I'm trying to go the other direction. With the show, with this episode? No, no, no. In terms of when I'm... Trying to do not woke. I don't like to get hyped up. I like to do you with me. You like to chill?

Yeah, yeah. I've been doing neither. But cruising altitude for you is pretty wired up. Yeah. I mean, I do drink a lot of coffee and I smoke. I thought you were got up for a split second. I thought you were making a bread pit. Yeah, I have been drinking a lot of...

Well, there's no easy way to tell you. Alcohol. I'm buying back off. I drink a lot of coffee and I smoke one cigarette a day. I'm on the Sarah Jessica Parker and sex in the city, like, routine. I smoke one cigarette a day. Exactly one. That's it.

So today when the firing squad comes and puts a bandana over your eyes, you'll be ready. I'll be ready. Yeah. Well, I haven't had mine today, so now's a good time. That's about it. I haven't smoked. I smoke weed like once every two weeks these days. Yeah.

You can't. You can't really smoke weed when you have a baby anyways. You don't want to do a shotgun with you. Yeah, it's too. It's, I don't know. There's something about holding a baby while I'm stoned. I'm like, oh, fuck. It's like one false move.

I'm not pure of heart. No, it's not anything about the personal safety. It's more like... This child's too pure for my grubby ass. No, it's more like, I'm going to die. I am mortal. You start, you start having, like, dealing with the bigger questions. Yeah.

Whenever you're stoned and holding your daughter. Yeah. A little stone. Which it does help prepare you a little bit more for it, though. Really? what do you mean for it death or child or fatherhood death oh okay

the bigger it the big sleep brother but then again it makes it harder though too because you're like damn I gotta say goodbye one day and that's fucking

I don't want to do this now I have something I want to live forever for I know that's the real paradox that's the that's really the paradox of it's like it's like oh I've been looking my whole life for something I want to live forever for

now that I found him half my life's over. Well, yeah. Yes. All right. Hard to thread that need. What's the best age to have a child at? 29.

Not too young, not too old. I'd say 32. It's all the discourse today because John Hamm is having a kid at 55. Oh, really? And Jamie Fox is having a kid at 58. And then I learned that like if you're older man,

in your 40s or 50s, your sperm is more likely to perhaps pass on autism. So now they're putting that on us. Yeah, which fair, fine, whatever. It is probably the sperm, dude. This is probably why there's an anti-vax movement. We all know it's the sperm. That's the origin of the old cum, baby. We know, we know subconsciously that the issue is with the sperm,

but we've sublimated that, and it's now. Now it's come Because well no there are plenty of women who are anti-vaccines What I'm saying it's a collective societal Um refusal to deal with the Problems in the cum The problems in the cum I think Interesting

Yeah Yeah Well I've been having a crisis about this It's like though am I entering the old cum years You? Yeah Yeah Simply put yes you're her button right up against it anyway

statistically I guess I think that like you got it's just I don't know it's one of those things that like saying like you're too young you're too old like there are pros and cons to each

you know I know that's right no that's right there's there's advantages and disadvantages to each. What's the... Let's do the pluses, then we'll do the deltas. Okay, the pluses of having a child young.

Yeah. You've got more energy. Okay. Your battery pack that you run on has a little more longevity. That's true. You don't feel like you're just barely keeping your head above the water physically.

Yeah. Also, you'll... live to see them grow older and become adults and, you know, hopefully, you know, have fulfilling lives and fall in love and all that good stuff. But the cons are that you probably are a little less mature. You're not as, like, mature about, like, emotional, like, when it comes to, like, you want your kid to feel like safe venting certain emotions and um and feeling certain ways you want them to feel like that's a safe environment for them to do so and i feel like when you're a little bit younger

like you want to repress your own emotions and emotions and feelings in general and so you can perhaps pass that off onto your kids also you're a little more impressionable when it comes to like certain ideologies around child rearing and discipline you can get in self-help spiral. Well, I just mean that, like, if society around you are saying, like, you've got to beat the hell out of them kids, you're probably going to do that when you're like 22. But, like, if you're like, but by the time you're like my age, you're like late 30s, you know, you got a little more like sort of maturity to be like, well, these are what feelings are,

is what emotions are. This is what, like, you got a little more. And I say that my child is not even one yet. So I, I'm kind of mature still, but you're still a few years away from getting to. Yeah. But you're teeing up for it right now. I'm trying. I'd say the other delta of having a child young is they have to get a front row seat to your first and maybe second divorces.

Including from their mother. Uh-huh. Yeah, but then the cons of having a child in your, when you're older, are, as I've said earlier, physically it's a little tougher. Like, you know, you're just fatigued all the fucking time. Yeah. You, like, by the time my daughter graduates high school, statistically speaking, I'll have 12 years left of life.

If the average American male life span is 70 years, by the time I... You think you're checking out when your daughter's like 28? I don't know if I will or not. I'm just saying statistically, yes. Statistically, like, I'll die at 70. Because that's statistically when most men... Is that...

Is that, is they lowered our age in America to that now? What was it before? I think it was 76 for women, 72 for men. Okay, 72. We're splitting hairs here. We're talking about less than 10 years. Grand total, right? I'm just saying, like, I don't like that.

I don't like the fact that my daughter is going to graduate high school and I got like 12 years left. But that's half of the guys walking around. Uh-huh. What do you mean? Like, half of everybody will die by 72. die at 72 half just because that's how averages work yeah

no isn't that mean all no that means the other half or does that mean no no no that means that like I need to brush up no no you're right you're right that means a lot of core concepts I need to brush up on that I guess that means that like a solid chunk of them will die like

50 oh shit that might be me though the other half is either below or above that yeah no I might be below it Oh, man. Oh, no. That's hard to think about. Let's think about flot cameras again. Let's go back to the flot.

Let's think about 24-7 surveillance. Well, here's the thing. We do you talk about these flock cameras because I'm madden in hell about this stuff. Because I guess I had heard the phrase flock cameras, and I'm like, oh, well, that's the thing they were doing, like, these bogus traffic stops and, like, just finding people to fit a profile on.

But I didn't know there was, like, a whole company. that had like a database and they were putting them in stuff like kids gyms yeah it's facial and it's also facial recognition yeah and um I think it's more than just that it's able to basically draw up an entire profile of who you are based off of a certain data set and your face you know facial recognition so it's it's um yeah yeah What I really was trying to get at on the Patreon episode on Monday Is that like my biggest thing about woke and cancel culture Whatever you want to call it has always been that you can't even have a real honest conversation about it

Because it is entirely And I mean entirely An internet phenomenon Just in the sense that like And I know that there were anteceded or precedents there was like political correctness, like that human, the human stain, the Philip Roth book from the 90s, like cancel culture has existed in some form or fashion for at least like 40 years, 30 or 40 years now. But I guess what I'm saying is that like when we talk about like woke and cancel culture,

we're really just talking about a situation where every single person is turned into a cop for every other person. And you do need that, a degree of that because there are, are actual predators out there. There are people that prey on people. There are people that are pieces of shit. There are people that like hurt people. And so like people have had whisper networks and all this of this stuff. But that's not what I'm talking about. Because that

takes place at the IRL community. There's a utility for that. What there's not utility for is like spying on your neighbor. Well, and what frustrate to me is what the internet does is

it creates a situation where it makes it almost impossible to grow or develop because it sort of freezes in amber this idea or opinion you had on something that like you didn't even really have it it was sort of triangulated among other

people and factors sometimes you just try out something for a while there you know yeah I don't know ideas and whatever yeah fashions people are really going in on it though woke one because that lady lost in Wisconsin and Francesco Wong. Oh, okay. So they're all talking about woke one.

And the failures and successes of it? And the failures and successes of it. And AOC and Bernie didn't endorse her. Why didn't they endorse her? Was there a reason? I don't know. What was her deal? I don't know.

I'm going to be totally honest with you. Okay. We can move around a lot. She was his chef, I know that. So they just didn't think she was, I'm not going to say it. That she wasn't cooking? I'm not going to say. What?

She wasn't cooking? Is that what you're going to say? No. Yeah. Damn. She was using seed oils in her cooking. If I was her opponent, I would say shit like that. I'd be like, Francesca Hong, she's been using seed oils in her cooking.

And they're cooking. How can we trust her with her health care? that's that's pretty bad but that's why i'm not running against her that's why i'm not running against her but she lost though so so what's like uh wow did bernie and a do you don't know why bernan alc refused to i don't know that they didn't answer my calls

i called them that they were they refused comment i called for comment i was like um request for comment went unreturned um i'm a reporter with the trailbellies Yeah, yeah. Do you care of comment on why you didn't endorse the governor, candidate? Damn. And they said, get fucked. Really?

Yeah, that's what they said that. Can you believe that? They said, get fucked. And Bernie, after I knocked doors out over Cincinnati for you. Get fucked, motherfucker. Why don't you just go die? Why don't you just go Get fucked

Fuck And so on and so on Went on Went on And so on went on like that for a half an hour When you reached that one to That's pretty much about it went Bernie said that

Man He said Get up Can you believe that's a, that's an audio quote from Bernie? Let's play the clip. Let's play the clip. Let's play the clip. Wow, can't believe you.

Wow, can you believe he said that? I'm shocked, frankly. But at least he gave us comment and nod to New York Times. I guess that's true. You know? Yeah. That means we're up and up. We're coming up in the world.

Well, it doesn't feel like it always. The true billies? Yeah. Yeah, you're right. Because we're number 423 on Patreon. No, we're not. If only we were, but don't tell them that. Make them think that we're the lowest.

the low. If only we were in the top 50 again. If only. I don't ask for much, just a crumb. Yeah. Yes. I just really hate

24-hour surveillance, dog. I hate surveillance of any kind. But maybe some kind, maybe some bit of surveillance is a little necessary

because there are bad people. But the cops shouldn't be doing it in the government. I don't know. I don't know. Well, to me, it's like, but the scary thing is how these things,

like AI and flock and other stuff is just seated in everything we do. And it's just like a, like, now that it's gotten to hazard, the reason this put me in such a bad mood is it's like, oh, like, hazard cops were, for one,

Perry County, like, people, like, disappeared in Perry County's, like, in jail and stuff. But the other thing, too, is that, like, crime in eastern Kentucky is is like almost 100% like the sort of come downstream from the opioid epidemic

which was seeded a long time ago and all that kind of stuff and it's like I just don't understand the utility I don't understand the arguments you make for something like that in a place like hazard and it's just reminiscent of how like these small town fire departments have like militarized like you'll see like

wise Virginia's police department's got a fucking MRAP an MRAP, you know what I mean? And it's like, oh, and Hazard... They're very proud of it too. Hazard knows flock cameras, like... No. I just don't get it.

Well, it's because... I don't get to make an argument for it. It's because that's how those small towns get money. Well, yeah, yeah, I get that part of it. But it's also, too, like... What kind of profile would you be building on somebody in Hazard if you're flock? Uh-huh.

what are you trying to stop there exactly um probably copper theft copper thievery yeah yeah I think I'm getting another call from Bernie Sanders he's calling me for comment

where's time change you going to come back and bring me back out do you have a cop you have a response did you even hear what he said I just listen that's

taking number Bernard I don't know that's Bernie after all, no that I think about it. Sounds like the sweetest chef. It might be. Sesame Street?

Is that what you said? Yeah. Whoa. He says that kind of stuff on Sesame Street? No, no. Whoa. Hmm. Oh, God.

Damn. Dude, speaking of that kind of stuff, this is a funny story. French culture minister asked British counterpart to get on his knees for Bayou tapestry loan. I thought that was pretty good.

The French culture minister Rashida Adati asked senior British culture official Chris Bryant to get on his knees. A Frenchman asked a Brit to get on his knees? Yeah, in order for England to get,

in order for France to loan the biotapitry to England. Brian said, I've already got a husband. So do I, Dottie replied according to Bryant. What's wrong with polyamory. What is this real? This is on art forum.

Wait, so they wanted gay sex exchange for the right to put a tapestry up in Britain. The wooing proved effective. The loan of the tapestry first sought by Queen Elizabeth II for her 1953 coronation is widely viewed as a triumph of cultural diplomacy and a jewel in the metaphorical crown of French president Emmanuel Macron. Damn. Well, yeah, dude, you know about the body of tapestry, right? Oh, I know nothing about it.

Really? Must be some tapestry. Measuring roughly 224 feet long, the 11th century masterwork depicts the events surrounding the Duke of Normandy's conquest of England.

Likely embroidered in Canterbury, it is considered a significant icon of British identity and left England sometime before the late 15th century. Oh, so it was coming home. They're bringing it home. I'm trying to bring it home.

I like how he asked him to get on his knees. Bag you little. Piggy. Big for the Thap is three. Is that real? That's probably a joke, right?

This is not a joke. This is real. Multiple USS Abraham Lincoln Sailors have tried to go overboard amid extended deployment. Dude, I saw that. I saw that. Hey, everything's going swimmingly.

So the deployment was extended in May. It was supposed to end in May, dude. So there were people that were, like, getting ready to, like, go home and then they got stuck in this Iran. shit. Yeah. Yeah.

Dude. Dude. Mid-August. People are jumping overboard. You know, we haven't had a classic. When's the last time America had a mutiny, I wonder? A mutiny? Yeah, like a mutiny.

On the HMS bounty? I guess this qualifies a mutiny. I was there for that one. It was kind of fun. What was that was, are there like legal channels you could take? to like, if you're enlisted person to, like, object to some sort of military action and get out? Yeah.

Yeah, you can. You can make some sort of like religious objection, I think. Yeah. The last time the U.S. experienced a formal recognized charge or widely acknowledged incident of military mutiny was in March 1970 aboard the Merchant Marine Ship SS Columbia Eagle, where anti-war crew members hijacked the vessel carrying napalm during the Vietnam bomb war.

We haven't had a mutiny in over 50 years. I do for a country that prides itself on its founding mutiny. That's kind of a long... We bad, dude. We gotta do more mutinies if we're gonna be the mutiny guys. Yeah. You know what I mean? You can't just ride on past glory.

That's pretty sick. Rest on your laurels. So what's happened when they jump over board? I think they fished them out of the drink They just They just Draw a net back up Into the ship

Be like nice try Yeah Yeah yeah They've had suicide nets On the side of the By the way I completely There's people in the Navy

Leaving suicide notes And jumping off Suicide nets Suicide Nets Suicide Nats It was a reference To the Golden Gate Bridge Foxcon

Is that you said I'd see I thought when people I thought that like when people describe the suicide nets to me on the Golden Gate Bridge I literally thought that they were nets

under the bridge that functioned like you were doing a movie stunt like you jump into the net you jump down and you hit the net and the net goes boi-o-o-y-o It bounces you back up in a cartoonish it kind of bounces you back up

and then it puts you in a good mood and you wonder why he wanted to kill yourself it to begin with? Yeah, but apparently the nets just are on the sides of the bridge and prevent you from jumping off the bridge. Does it make sense? It's like immediately. Sort of like a tennis court net. Oh, that sucks.

I know, right? See, I was going to say, like, if you're going to try to jump off the bridge, at least make it fun. Like, make it to where they jump down and they go into their... I would have the biggest smile on my face and they'd have to come get me out of that net. Uh-huh. Because you'd just be stuck down there. Or maybe you'd bounce back up and just return your starting position.

I guess so. They would have to make them pretty big so that people didn't crawl to the edge and then go over. But theoretically, that's why you would have another net underneath that. And so it would be like a terrace of nets, like a series of stage. Or you bounced one to the other. Yeah. Yeah, that would be fine. That'd be pretty fun.

Yeah. But instead, it's just nets that protect or block the sides of the bridge. Like, if you're going to do that, then why not enclose the fucking bridge? You know? Put glass on the fucking side. I don't know. Whatever dumb, fucking annoying. It kind of ruins the view a little bit, yeah.

Well, but, you know, people want to ruin it by killing themselves. Yeah. We all have to pay the price. Yeah, these down-trodden people ruining it for everybody else. It was fucked up when teachers ran a classroom like that when you were a kid. Like one kid would fuck up

and they would punish the whole class. You know what I mean? Yeah, and it turns every gun toward the one kid. That's probably a bad analogy to use about school. No, it's a good analogy because usually it was when a kid tried to shoot up the school and then they would punish all of us for it.

Yeah, they would put, well, you're in timeout. Mm-hmm. And now all of your classrooms, And then what they would do is they would take us out to the playground. No recess. They would take us out to the playground and they would say, you're going to run from here to the fence and Mrs. Kovalski is going to get up there on the top of this building with a sniper rifle. And she's going to.

She's going to taste of what you were planning for everybody. And then she just shoots paint balls out? No, it's live ammunition, brother. You're dodging live ammunition at like age seven. You're just trying to run to the fucking. Yeah, I bet you'll never plan a school shooting again. Mm-hmm. Our playgrounds were fucked up in New Mexico

because they had prairie dog holes all over them. So you'd always just be running in one, get your shit rock, you know what I mean? Like step in a prairie dog hole and twist your leg. Yeah. And then if you're running from, you know, Mr. Newton, Newsome, Newton, Mr. Newton, your sixth grade teacher.

Is this a real guy? no it's not my my security teacher was the name mr pizzo it's like pizza with a with an oh pizza oh yeah he was not my favorite teacher but not my least favorite either that's good i'm glad you rated about average yeah yeah it wasn't my favorite with my least favorite he didn't somewhere in the middle i don't think so i love it the quality this show this show.

Get us back in the top 50 everybody. Am I going to have to work a little bit harder for that. Oh my God. My favorite.

My least favorite. People are just listening to this in a whole way. I hear of a simple. Yeah. Great another great week

of content from the drum noise. I did have a prairie dog question. We just don't have those here, obviously. We don't have prairies. What do they like? Prairie dogs? Yeah.

They're awesome. You ever, could you domesticate one? I never tried, but... Presumably? No, you probably... They ever come up to you? Oh, yeah. They're kind of like squirrels.

They'll take your shit if they're a little too comfortable around humans. See, you sometimes have to check them a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Just let them remind them a little bit that, like, it ain't, it ain't, it ain't, sweet out here and they're just a guest in the house of hip hop. Yes. You know that show Murekat Manor?

Oh, yeah. That's basically what Prairie Dogs are. They're really intelligent and they've got big communities. They're just oil patched meerkats? Pretty much, yeah. Yeah. Robust social lives, probably. They have very robust social lives.

I'm not doing a bit either. They really do. Right, so they have friends and... Yes. They live on communes, basically. Really? Yeah. Yeah.

And, you know, there's like kin networks, like families and kin networks, and then they're extended, and then they kind of connect, some connect to each other. It's, you could basically do a kind of sociology for prairie dogs. They're very smart. Do they buy it? I don't know. Well, they can to. They're very much like squirrels, but they don't run around in trees or anything. They're little squirrels, though?

They can be. Some of them can get fat as fuck Yeah Yeah Like there's like a big job of the hut type Prairie dog There's like the big dog Yeah he's like

He's what's on he's like Who's earning? Who earning for me? Yeah who got my soul Who got my file spot man Who got my file's ball, man? Who got my file's ball Yeah they

But then there's really skinny ones too Man they're probably not earners not really no no um yeah the

the just yawning and this is got to be the episode because we don't listen we're trying to plan a live show it's to take a lot of energy out of us I'm not sure if that's going to be good either

but we're like look we got to do it got to do it Mm. Why are we talking about prairie dogs? I'll sit up. Maybe that'll help me wake up.

I got a little off. I got a little off course there. I went a little far afield because I was interested in their dynamics. Right, but why were we talking about them in the first place? Did it come up? Prairie dog. Prairie dog holes. Would-be school shooter twists his ankle in a prairie dog hole because the teacher is trying to shoot him from the...

Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah. remember that bit. I remember that bit when we did that one. It was fucked up when teachers would do that though. It's like some kid would like cheat on a test and then they would like draw and quarter. Draw and quarter of the kid.

And they would make us participate in his torture and then we're traumatized by that. Terrence here, there's four horses and they're tied and each limb of this person is tied to a horse. And I had to ride one of the horses. I need you to smack two of these on the ass. It was fucked up. Or they made us cut the vegetables for the cauldron. Yeah. When they were boiling one of the, our fellow students alive.

A mirropoix. A mirropoa. I had to make a mirropoa for our own classmate. My classmate. Elementary school was rough for me. It was pretty rough. I listened to a lot of Puff Daddy and the family middle school. That didn't age well.

I wasn't listening to secular music really at that time. You weren't at that time. I was listening to a lot of Christian music. Yeah. Because I felt bad. Well, you felt the call. Well, I didn't want to die and go to hell. That's pretty important.

I was just trying to be safe. I was just trying to play it safe, man. Yeah. Uh-huh. Speaking of dying and going to hell. I'm going to go take a whiz real fast. I'll be right back then. Feel good.

I emptied my bladder. That's what you're asking. That's a good step in the right direction. How does soap work? Soap. Does it kill the germ or does it just make the surface so slippery that the germ falls off? They slide right off. Yeah, like slick streets.

I think it busts. up the the germ molecule. I think it degrades their surface. Like viruses, I think it degrades their surfaces. For bacteria, I'm not sure exactly how it.

What do you mean their surface? Like the plane, they live on? Yeah, well, you know, they're like little fatty sacks. I think it just like...

It busts them up or it makes the surface slippery so they're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, when they fall off your hand? Yeah, I think it's, I think it's something like if like somebody

smashes a bug or something. That would make sense because, like, oil and lipids... Or wait, soap is not an oil. What even is soap? Soap's basic. Right. So it's not even acidic,

slightly. Right, I guess. Is that what you mean by basic? Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I just mean like it. It likes pumpkin drinks. What is soap? What is soap?

It's a fatty acid Made by mixing fats or oils with a strong base Like lie Well let's just ask Does soap kill bacteria Or make the surface So slippery That the bacteria

Can't even stand on it Can't even stand on it Um Soap does not make soap for surface is slippery so bacteria cannot stand. Soap actually kills some bacteria and washes away the rest. Well, then that sounds like,

kind of what I'm saying. It breaks apart germ. Soap molecules have two sides. One side likes water, the other side likes fat and oil. The oily side of the soap attaches to the fatty membrane of certain bacteria and viruses.

It rips the shell apart and kills them. Okay. I told you. So it doesn't... It hurts the shell apart, just like I said. That seems a little agro. Do we really have to do that?

Why couldn't we just make it... Create an inhospitable surface for them to, like, stand up? Why could we just make it a little whimsical and we make it slippery and then just fall off? Why do we have to rip them apart? Oh, man, it's just the harsh reality of their existence. Of life? Yeah. Life is...

Well, let's also keep in mind these things, get in ourselves and re-engineer them and cause us a lot of pain and suffering, so don't feel too sorry for them. Bacteria? No, I was thinking more virus. but that's what I thought don't slander bacteria bacteria just looking for a place to live man yeah but I'm just kidding

bacteria can can also be bad that sounded like I said blackteria I didn't mean to do oh man that's not a good a word to use

but we got to the bottom about soap works and I ask you what podcasts out there are talking about soap I like one of the one of those dudes that got slimed in Iran I think when his girlfriend

or fiance eulogized him online she was like he liked soap he liked the Yeti Man soap or whatever that was the thing she said about him that was like one of his animating thing animating things I don't want to make it bad

What do you, do you don't, you don't If you got slime tomorrow I love them I love the word slime Slime me for my AP Killed, killed murdered Okay

If you got murdered They say that on TikTok They also have to say like segs I hate that Instead of sex Like I'm a segs offender Sags is offensive enough I'm a segs offender

If you got murdered If you got killed That you're slimed Would you want someone to eulogize you as someone who likes soap What would you like someone to say about What would you like people to say about you I don't really want to think about that Why not?

I don't want to think about death I'm sorry man I went there I'm sorry I was just trying to riff I wasn't being serious Tom That shut you down We don't have to talk. We don't have to talk about that. Hey, we don't have to talk about nothing else either.

We don't have to talk about anything. Well, we'll just not talk at all. Okay, I guess I'll talk about woke one. I guess I guess fuck me. I guess I'll talk more about woke one, John Federman. Once again, brought up a depressing topic. Everybody fucking ate me. I'll talk about fucking Francesca Wong.

Hong. I keep saying Wong. I mean Hong. Do you want to talk about that? Would you rather talk about Woke 1? What about Bloke 1? God damn. Like that?

Good day, mate. This, we're going to do a land acknowledgement. Is that even, that's Australian. Does Australian say bloke? I think so. Is that more of a British thing? I think it's more of a British thing. Oh, this is Blake 1, man.

And I'm bloke too. And, oh, and I'm block too. I was just that. I was just that too. Oh, I'm fucking bloke too. I'm bloke one and I'm bloke two. There was bloke core a few years ago. It's kind of like dressing like Liam Gallagher.

What's bloke core? Just like dressing like Liam Gallagher. You're a soccer. Hooligan or whatever. I'm a woke bloke. Oh, no. Oh, no. What are other things that rhyme with woke?

Coke, toke, broke, joke. None of these are fun to do as a vaguely periodized articulation of political demands in America. Did they have woke in other countries? Is America just... Is woke just an American thing? No, it's definitely not. I think it's just that...

we were most affected by it. I think, well, I think, well, I wonder if they called it different things, different places. Okay. Yeah, they might have. Yeah. I don't know. We've not done an international survey at work.

We've not. You know, and I'm trying to work on that. I have a very Americo-centric, Americo-centric view of the world in politics. That's what you call it. should be called Americo because it's the corporation. The Americo, AmeriCo, N-S-E. I call it Ameri-C-O.

Ameri-Corp. Yeah, that's right. That exists, but it's a totally different thing. AmeriCorps. Damn. Are you petering out, brother? No. Do you want to talk about, let's see, what do I got on the list here?

Compliant. Oh, this was on Democracy Now. morning. I don't usually watch it, but Democracy Miao. But I... It's a democracy Miao. Democracy Miao.

That would be very good. I don't usually watch Democracy Meow, but this morning, I saw someone post this on their Instagram. What is it? ICE plans to outfit officers with

electric shock gloves. ICE is planning to give it officers high-tech gloves that deliver electric shocks to people they're trying to detain, according to plans posted by the Department of Homeland Security. The agency could spend as much as $20 million on the gloves made by compliant technologies of veteran-owned company based in Kentucky, here in Lexington, actually. Is that the ones the shock gloves? The shot gloves, yeah.

The device is called the G-L-O-V-E, an acronym that stands for generated low output... No, we get what it stands for. there again it's a glove generated low output voltage emitter that's what it's when a small button on the wrists

of the glove is activated it delivers an electric shock when it touches skin it is similar to a taser but unlike a taser there are no prongs that emerge and break the skin um

why is everything getting uglier and like more and more objects to just just hurt After being shocked with the glove In one video The founder of the company If I just were to take you 10 years ago

I'm going to say man they're going to have shocking gloves Everything will suck And you'll be funneled into being a lifelong gambling addict That's the future of America If I told you that in 2008 If I'd be like no man we got to keep fighting I would say that No what would you say

I would say if you had told me there were shot gloves and gambling like yeah in 226 yeah I would say onward

onward isn't that how social justice people used to sign off on their emails they would go onward I would sign off with it onward I would that's what I would tell you nevertheless

onward nevertheless onward That's probably what I told you That's what Terrence is no hell The shock gloves are coming I go

If you had told me that What 10 years ago Where was I 10 years ago 2016 Let's go back Into the misty Reaches of time Somebody

Somebody that's alive right now Is it gonna be killed By shot gloves Yeah And it's like just Just completely preventable. Yeah.

Because some fucking asshole cop is going to like, I don't know. There's a lot of potential. It just fucking pisses me. I'm so goddamn bad. There's a lot of potential there though for cops to

like electrocute the shit out of themselves and each other. That is true. Because cops are stupid as fuck. Like they would probably one of them would try to fuck one of those gloves. You know what I mean?

Because cops are like crazy degenerate, like they're crazy sexual deviance, and they're also insane and stupid. It's a crazy lethal combo. Like one of them is going to try to fuck one of those shot gloves. Yeah, it's probably some part of some hazing ritual. But also just out of curiosity. Like someone's going to take some... Somebody's going to jerk off with the glove. Someone is going to take, yeah, they're going to get in the evidence locker.

And they're going to take some, like, PCP that was, you know, taken off someone in 1997. and they're gonna, they're gonna smoke the, totally degraded. They're gonna smoke the PCP. They're also gonna take like a hit of fentanyl or something. And they're gonna try to fuck one of those gloves. And they're gonna die. And they're gonna die.

Yeah, or their shit's gonna blow. Or their shit's gonna blow up. Shit's gonna blow up in a daffy duck fashion. Yeah, like when daffy duck, when... Get hit by the shotgun. Yes, the Elmer Foote sticks his finger in the thing. Yeah, you're right. Is anyone's dick ever been?

blowing up like that? I wonder. Where it like curled backward. I'm sure. Well, that's not, well, yeah. The officer, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, okay. The founder of the company, Jeff Nicklaus, Klaus, introduced a demonstration on an officer with the Oklahoma. Okay, he didn't even demonstrate it on himself.

He demonstrated it on an officer with the Oklahoma County Sheriff's Department. After being shocked with the glove, the officer screamed and dropped to the ground, briefly debilitated for the moment the glove made contact with his skin. That officer described the feeling later in the video as having, quote, no control. The company's website says the glove provides a way to de-escalate tense situations quickly and effectively. It is meant to make arrests easier for officers. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

That's not what we need. Make arrests easier for officers. They're just going to go around doing this on the same. traffic stops and shit now. Craig me if I'm wrong, but this sounds really bad and dystopian. But I thought the whole value add of a taser gun

was that you didn't have to get close to anybody. And we know how, like, cowardly cops are. Like, are they really going to want to use this thing? If you can just use a tase gun that shoots those... Or just a regular gun that just... Shoot you. Yeah, I mean, they're going to keep using those, obvious. Yeah.

What are they? This is like, I don't know. It's like they want to like give cops superpowers or something. That is true. That is. They want to give them these like Mickey Mouse hands that like shock people when they gram them. Yeah.

Our mission is to provide innovative non-lethal solutions that empower law enforcement. Corrections, security and healthcare professionals to handle dangerous situations with confidence and control. The gloves are also in schools. Oh, good. That's good to hear. Nareen Shah, Director of Policy and Government Affairs for Immigration with the ACLU, questioned whether ICE officers have been trained properly to use a tool like this, particularly given their recent efforts to hire more than 12,000 officers in less than a year.

The glove technology has been around for less than a decade, but it is already being used in a variety of settings, including schools. That makes sense, because... Well, you've got to see. how they're doing the playground before we take it out. Right. Yeah, that's usually where the best spot to to test a weapon is.

Also, you remember like in high school, like when kids would get in fights and I don't know about you, but like there was always a teacher coach in one of your schools that would carry... Teacher slash coach? Yeah, that would carry... Like he was a complete moron. He didn't know

what he was teaching. but he would usually carry around like a big gulp I just drink a big gulp all day you know what I mean but we had this teacher coach like that and I remember one time there was a fight in the hallway and he tried to break it up by just dumping his big gulp on the fighters

it's like I don't know if that's going to do anything dumb ass what did that do hey can it break it up now I guess if it was a scalding hot coffee that would probably seduce somebody that would also injure

teaching career. Yeah, probably. Maybe. Well, yeah, some big boys are hard to corral if you were an educator. It seems like today the school system is in such a bad shape. They probably let you throw

some hot coffee and some students before they fire you. Like, please don't do it again. And if you do it again, they'll be like, please don't do it a third time. They'll be like, please don't do that a fourth time. You got six more times to do that before you're out of here.

You understand me? we're barely hanging on by we're not done so well half the students don't know how to read if this were the 80s you'd be fired I say half that's generous it's more like three quarters of students don't even know how to read or write

they're like just here's some shock gloves okay yeah next time just ring their necks with the Mickey Mouse shotgun ring their necks May listen

Oh, compliant Our philosophy and ethos This is the philosophy What? It's a shock That's really Hey everybody It's Jeff again

I just wanted to take a couple minutes And tell you about Who we are and what we're about Compliant Technologies As a veteran-dom company We're based right out They're owned by veterans Did 20 years in the service

most of the people involved with compliant technologies have been in your shoes they've been in the trenches my shoes throughout their careers you've not been in my shoes a day we exist to benefit society by providing non-leafel alternatives

to those who selflessly serve what does that mean to you first of all we don't sell our product to the public to me it means idling my car outside of high school and praying on 16 year olds we're not after the quick buck Counting down the days till Becky Davis turns 18, while also creating a huge dentment. Our carbon footprint.

I've had this theory. I really do have this theory that if all cops just disappeared, they're like, we could probably stave off climate disaster. Now, Tom, don't say that because the order. All they do is idle. The order of the day is we're walking back our statements about how bad cops were five, six, seven years ago. It's no longer, it's no longer okay to say cops are mostly wife-beating pitoes who still fentanyl from the evidence locker and frame black people for crimes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's not...

It's no longer a fair assessment. No longer a fair assessment of police officers, buddy. Now they're taken. Now, you know that... Dude, I just... That is a really funny concept to me, by the way. What's that? Just like, we're just, we're walking it back now.

It's walking it back. It's just like, we gotta walk it back. Like, you are now being made to, um... Like, now that, uh, left, like, socialist candidates are getting a little bit of steam because the Democrats aided and abetted a genocide. The, the grand bargain now with the socialist left is like, All right, well, let you in, but you have to disavow that defund the police shit. You can't be saying that shit.

And you know why? It's this simple, dude. It's this simple. It's not rocket science. It doesn't require some fucking great political mind or shrewd political thing. It's this simple. The people that vote like cops. The people that don't vote don't like cops.

That's generally, it breaks down pretty cleanly in those categories. There's a little bit... A little bit... A little bit... Sometimes it's not always that way. Sometimes people... But generally speaking, people that vote want cops to... Kind of like the people that go to focus groups don't have sex.

Yeah. So, of course, we're going to think everybody that's a focus group doesn't have sex. And so if you're going to get elected, you have to say, like, cops are fine and we should have more of them. I mean, whatever. I mean... I think that Anyways, I'm not Anyway

I don't think that Well anyway What are they kind of fucking products Are they selling? Yeah like what else is on their I didn't I did have a very I did have a cop actually

Do me a solid The other day The other day This was a couple months ago I had an, We had an emergency with the baby And Instead of murdering your child or leaving it out in the hot sun, they were somewhat helpful, which is...

No, I had to go to the, we had to go to the emergency room, and they have cops in the emergency room, because they have cops everywhere now. There's cops in the emergency room, there's cops in the bathrooms, there's cops in the grocery stores, there's cops. Honestly, you usually see more cops at hospitals than you do anywhere. Dude, the ER? The ER, yeah. But anyways, there was this cop there, and he, um, let me park in this temporary parking. And he was like, if I, he was like, you can leave it there.

He was like, it's the weekend. If I need you to move it, I'll come find it. And I was like, thanks. Fuck. Thanks, man. Thanks, man. So, and I think though, at 38 years old, that's the first time a cop is actually ever even.

I actually offered to be healthy. So, you know, you know, statistically speaking, like, that's pretty, it's a pretty bad. That's not a good clip. Yeah. But CD3 technology. What is CD3 technology? Conductive distraction and de-escalation device. A CD3 is not a weapon, but a device used to quickly distract with small, uncomfortable, electrical pulses directly where the CD3 is applied to the surface of the skin.

What is this whole company's, like, ethos, like, how do we just torture people? Uh-huh. Like, the distraction is the non-lethal part. You're like, oh, well, that sounds good. And then it's like, oh, no, they're just doing torture stuff. Dude, oh, my God. You don't, yeah. Not going to be long until we hear about cops taking people in a room with no camera

and putting the fucking shock hands on. Well, yeah. And it sounds like it's agonizing. But they try to make it sound on here like it's not that bad. The current used in CD3 technology is so low that stimulation can't occur through clothes. hair, metal, plastics, or fur. Can't.

Can't. When a CD3 device such as bare skin, electrical pulses, signals that affect the sense of touch within the peripheral nervous system. These signals are then carried to the central nervous system achieving neuroperipheral interference

or NPI. The discomfort associated with the simulation is usually effective in bringing individuals into compliance in less than three seconds and leaves no burns, marks, or scars. That's important. You can't have that

because then you might actually... You can't have that. Then you got a lawsuit on your hands. Yeah, it's not that it would matter because you'll probably... Tazers just, we get too many lawsuits. Here we got plausible deniability. Yeah. The technology is safe as it does not penetrate the subject's body

while also allowing other officers to grab the individual being stimulated with no fear or of feedback into their bodies. CD3 technology is a great humane, low optics de-escalate low optics. It's pretty high optics. having cops wear massive Mickey Mouse gloves that shocked the shit that shocked the shit out of people or like Thanos or some shit

having cops look like Thanos is pretty high optics I feel like very high optics I would say the glove generated low output voltage emitter look at these shits look at them shit they look like welders gloves they're huge oh dude this is so bad you know what's gonna happen

they'll put the gloves on to like search your car and they'll touch you and they'll oh I thought these were just regular gloves I'm sorry Oh, yeah. A hundred percent. Cops can't be trusted, not necessarily because, like, there's places that... There's cops in Cuba, there's cops in the world, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

American cops are clownish brutes. One of my favorite sections in Savage Detectives is the cop in Nicaragua after the revolution, and they get into this pissing contest with the cop about, like, what cigarettes revolutionary smoke? all of which is to say that this is like a revolutionary cop, like he like, you know, survives the revolution as like a leftist. But American cops are... They're pulled from it. They're pulled from a different pool, gene pool.

And socioeconomic, ideological pool as well. It's hard to say like what socioeconomic background cops, most cops come from. pretty mixed probably but i would say the sort of like nowadays it's sort of like the mid-20s to early 40s lumping

they could go anyway either way no no no no just mean like there's just no clear skill or something like that oh yeah so they go into that i knew this kid this kid um i'm just gonna disguise this name

so they don't docks him Let's just say his name is Lane. He grew up in this house behind me, and he went on to become a cop. And a few years ago, he, cops do this shit all the time. He was racing another cop. I think he was on a motorcycle. And the other cop, I think, was in his cop car or vice versa. But anyways, got it to an accident and had to have his leg amputed.

Like, that's the kind of shit cops are doing. like on the job tasing each other there was there was this one time in whitesberg their 17 year old girlfriends there was this one time in whitesburg where we were sitting out

in the back deck and there was this massive explosion and we looked across the river and there was a bunch of cops over there and to this day I am positive one of them threw a grenade like just testing it out

I don't have any proof of this so this is just a legend but I don't know what else would make such a huge explosion and it was not a firework It was an actual detonated like artillery. It was huge. I've heard of like, you know, of like firefighters setting their own fires.

Like in dumpsters. And then the cops finding out about it by reviewing the tape and blackmail on the firefighters. Oh, interesting. Who would they blackmail them to themselves? Because it's the city. Essentially, wouldn't the cops be the ones to prosecute it? I guess so. They're like, we won't tell on you to us.

to ourselves to others E-band restrictors E-band restrictors are magnetically operated remote control CD-3s that use the same technology basically e-bands

are like ankle monitors but they shock the shit out of you when you like e-bands bring suspects or inmates into compliance during acts of aggression or attempted escape

man we are so fucking boned we're so boned well then the other thing too is like you're just assuming this like high morality like what about um you know there's high profile cases in letcher county right now where i'm from that like sheriff's deputies and stuff we're like raping women in the judge's quarters and stuff like that yeah you know it's like we just assume these people are just or most people just assume they're just like those are a few bad apples but it's it's it is not

decidedly It's pretty endemic. It's pretty endemic. Shilds, they also sell shields. Oh, it's a sound shield, a useful tool for civil disturbance units during situations where agencies are trying to move larger groups out of an area.

Listen, if we believe in the fundamentals of the free market, can I also sell revolutionary gear to, like, civilians? You know what I mean? Like, if you can sell this shit to the cops and we know they can't be trusted, How come that I can't just like sell like fucking lock picking?

Lock picking. I think you can. Like riot control bullets we can just put, you know, whatever. Oh yeah, you can't do that. That'll definitely, you'll get rocket launcher shot at you from a police. Like we are, it's only a matter of time before, because America is like so complacent right now just with everything in general. It's only a matter of time before cops start carrying rocket launchers. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Just sort of, like, lighting up, like, protest, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just, it's just... It's just... It's just... It's not looking to stave off the Soviets. Uh-huh. Or when Iran was trying to stave off ISIS.

Yeah. And they were dropping them fools. Those videos are tied, dude. They were fucking gave them the work, didn't I? Yeah, Iran, they were dropping... They were just basically sniping... ISIS soldiers with rocket launchers. That's tight.

Fight the flu. Without putting yourself at risk. I mean, they got all social media presence. They love this shit. Compliant technologies. They're going to fuck me up just for reading their website. They're going to come to my house because they're based in Lexington. They're going to come to my house with their gay-ass little shields.

They're Mickey Mouse gloves. Their light sound shields. Unless they step outside, tan. Oh, their sound shields have strobe light, an ergonomic handle on the back, reliable during long periods of civil unrest with 100 hours of charge time. The LSS gives offers. There's a non-lethal action to help. Okay.

I like that the strobe light function on there. Dude, the CD3, cops, that, again, this sounds pretty dystopian and scary. but this won't, this won't fly. Cops are so stupid. They would forget that they'd have these goddamn dumbass gloves on and they'd come into the fucking office. After a hard day of beating 19-year-old anarchists on the streets,

they would still be wearing these shits and would probably, you know, shock the shit out of themselves, like not remembering that they've still got them on. I just don't really see them, like, having much of a... They probably sound cool. to the morons that that invented

this I couldn't imagine a more cartoonish product for a group of fucking dumb ass maladjusted yeah

statutory rapist thugs right right CD3 technologies what does their vest do the e-vest, magnetically operated remotely controlled CD3 that uses the same technology

Oh, effective for prisoner transfer port Okay, so you put the vest on them And that shocks the shit out of them Dude, these things gotta be lethal They say, I mean, they call them non-lethal, but a fucking vest like that Dude, also too, like

Tazers kill people too And they're supposed to be non-lethal. Like, if you got heart rhythm disorder Can kill you? It's so bad. Like, what I mean like is the discursive parameters for this is so bad that like, what happened to even like civil liberties? Even if you believe that we need to have a highly punitive penal system with the largest amount of prison. A group of Mickey Mouse.

Yeah, prisoners in the world like went into, you know, warehouse people on a mass industrial scale. instead of thinking about other potential like regardless setting all that aside what happened to civil liberties this see this would wouldn't you think this would be a pretty big violation of civil liberties

like there's no discussion about it it's just down the road with it now yeah but yeah you're right there's just it's all been naturalized to the point it's all you can't even say anything outside of that

like for example in all of this discussion about like woke one and like policing and black lives matter and prison abolition like i'm genuinely shocked that like there is no discursive space so like when they try to press zoran or el said or or a oc or any of these people or francesca hung on like what what are your thoughts on police you know defunding or abolishing the police now our prisons like i'm genuinely shocked how they don't re-divert the conversation into... Stuff like this.

Well, basically saying, like, I believe in civil liberties. I believe in people's right to fair trial. And the way that the police operating are constituted today, these things are trampled on, and on top of that, they're getting, like, all this kind of stuff like that. And then just saying something like, if you, like, even if you disagree with the message of, like,

abolishing police, you can see how that people arrive at that with like... Yeah. You know what I mean? Now that is a winning message because you do see like cops all over the place. I'm kind of shocked at about that like because that's all that thing today where Zoron was saying like, you know, where I differ from the left is I think we need to have police. We need to have prisons. I'm paraphrasing.

But what I guess what I'm saying though is like why can't... Instead of saying that, which, okay, fine, whatever. like I'm not trying to even get into any of this but I guess what I'm saying is like instead of saying all that like why can't the debate be over like well like we're talking about defunding we're talking about like abolition entirely

like I feel like civil liberties is a pretty big pretty popular platform I think people even agree that like even if someone's a serial killer like they deserve a fair trial Just because that's kind of the backbone of a functioning society, you know what I mean? Deserving a fair trial, not having inhuman...

Not having inhumane treatment. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And it's like, yeah, it's just like, even if you think that person's the scum of the earth and there's a good body of evidence to suggest, you know, that they are in whatever case it might be, like, you still have to give them the same thing you would give somebody jaywalking. because it all falls apart if you don't. It's this maximalist thing where it's like,

I'm under no illusions that there are like serial rapists, serial killers, bad people. But like, it's wild to me that because it's been placed into this like sort of maximalist particle accelerator where it's like you're either full, fully abolish or fully like pro, why do we not even have the conversation of like,

maybe the whole thing is now gotten to a point where like we don't even have a framework for civil rights or civil liberties around this stuff. I don't know. And we don't. I don't know, man. Well, compliant technologies. They don't sound very compliant to me.

They sound, um, yeah, that's not, not positive developments. here's a here's products to help you coal and and and herd the hoary masses pretty it is kind of telling though that people are like on the back foot about like mass demonstration and so forth like the possibility of it that they're trying to like get out in front of it in a way that's like it is wild right you know it's like it's telling like in this

like encode is like it kind of tells you the psychology what the cop worries about is being overwhelmed by the masses. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like having to come up ways to sort of, you know, I think that's what's at the heart of, like, the militarization. I mean, in some cases, like the small towns with the MRAPs, it's just they just want to be like,

isn't this fucking cool? I think that's part of it. But I just, I do also think literally that it's. Well, they do live in fear of the masses because they're inherently antisocial. And they don't view themselves. That's the other piece of the problem. They don't view themselves. Well, they're public service.

Well, they don't actually view them. themselves as public servants. Well, also, though, it's way more banal. And really, I mean, like, there is, like, this fascism thing to it. But, like, this is why neoliberalism is a, a fascist mode of production or model of accumulation, however you want to put it. Because it's, it's way more banal than just, like, they want to oppress people at a mass scale.

It's literally baked into the political economy of how we've been hammering away at this for fucking six or seven or eight years now. But, like, it's baked into the political economy of how municipalities work. Like, these municipalities are so strapped for cash due to declining tax base, the industrialization, just the complete stripping down for parts that this country has undergone for three or four decades, that the only way they can realize any actual, I guess you call it revenue, is through, like, fee-grabbing, heavy policing, that kind of stuff. I mean, this isn't just with regards to police because they apply it to everything.

It's why you've fucking got to pay $2.50 every time you get on the fucking phone with your water service or whatever. Or sewage or trash service or whatever. But like we've talked about this before, like how you can even, by not paying your bill, you can get a bench warrant put out for you. Like by not paying your bill for city services. Services that should theoretically be free. Like by becoming delinquent in them, you become a target for policing. And the point is, the point I'm trying to make here is that these capitalism has brought local governance to such a sort of deracinated position that the only way that they can get any money, period, is through either federal grants for law enforcement activities or, and that's from top down, or bottom up, trying to squeeze blood from a stone through fees. and fines and all this other stuff.

So it's like, I'm saying, it's like, so banal, really. It's like, that's why the whole thing is like kind of frustrating. People are like, because I know, I know we just said here and talked for 20 minutes about how like psychologically stupid and culturally stupid police are and policing is. But like generally, genuinely at the end of the day, the reason for that is an economic one. It really comes down to that. It's not like, it's not like someone or a group of people 40 years ago went out and said, like, Let's hire the most, you know, let's go out and hire the most, like, brutal, impish, savage, like, peto as we can and put them on the streets.

You're doing imps of disservice there. Well, it's like, uh, maybe impish isn't the right word. Maybe, um, uh, satanic. Satanish. Oh, okay. Um, it's not like someone made that decision. It was kind of like a emergent phenomenon. on from like the way, I don't know, racial ideology in the country, economic accumulation, all this stuff.

It's not like, this isn't just like a question of like good and bad or good and evil or whatever. What am I even saying at this point? Do you see what I'm saying? No, I know exactly what you're saying. It's not yet. Oh, man. What that said. Yeah.

That's it. All right, we gotta go for real, for real. Yeah. It's late, dude. All right, well, thanks so much for listening this week, everybody. We'll see you at the live show on Friday evening.

I don't know when you're listening to this, but... You're listening to it on Saturday. You're too late. You're too late. You're too late. Too late. Sold out.

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