Trillbilly Worker's Party - Episode 459: Frolicking With Intention

Episode Date: August 27, 2026

Interrogating our past Dolly (and authorial) crimes, and examining another week in bizarre Trump policies Support us on Patreon: www.patreon.com/trillbillyworkersparty...

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Shall we? Yeah. Okay. First thing's first. You got to talk into the mic. Yeah, as people were upset about that. The second thing, you have to sit. You have to speak in your actual accent.
Starting point is 00:00:16 You're larping. You want to tell the audience you've been larping this all time for nine years? That your accent is not actually what it sounds like. If I could do anything else, I really would. right now. I just can't. Try to talk like me. Can you try to talk like an Ohio person? You're not an Ohio person? Well, yeah, but I know, but
Starting point is 00:00:38 I sound like I am. I've never heard you try to talk like Midwestern. Let's see. Or just any, what's the standard American accent? Just like accentless. Because that's what's pissing people off. People really do think that you're like,
Starting point is 00:00:55 people have never been to places like Eastern Tennessee or Eastern Kentucky. Like they really don't know that everybody there sounds like you. Yeah, they don't understand. They don't understand like everybody there. Like, but if that's really funny that people think either you're larping and making it up or that an entire region is. That is funny.
Starting point is 00:01:19 What did someone say that you were, your accent was actually Texan? Tell the larper his accent is actually Texan. Yeah, it was on the chopper comment. I said, tell the larper that his accent's actually Texas, not after. I go seeking this stuff out too, just because I like to take the temperature every once in a while. Oh, man. Somebody said that I was embellishing my accent like a Disney cruise performer or something. Like dolly.
Starting point is 00:01:46 I never, you know, like you all the time say, like, I never get bad feedback. I got all kinds of bad feedback. Well, you're, that is true. Our audience doesn't give you bad feedback. Me and Aaron draw the majority. Unless I don't talk into the mind. Unless you don't, unless you, what, do you do? Their notes for me are all technical.
Starting point is 00:02:05 They're all mic-related. They're all mic-related. You're not talking into the mic, or you're chewing into the mic. Usually those two. You and Aaron are dumb pieces of shit. We usually draw the ire of people's comments. How is that way on you?
Starting point is 00:02:23 Well. I haven't done this for almost 10 years come from everywhere. It still hasn't. quite, it still hasn't quite, I still have an acclimate. I'm getting a little, I'm getting a little piece of it.
Starting point is 00:02:37 I'm like, well, okay, this must be what he felt like all these years. I know. Well, that's the thing. Like, most of my comments that I get are like, you're stupid, you should kill yourself. Terrence is a sued. All things that I've already thought of.
Starting point is 00:02:50 Have you considered this thing you already considered on the show? Have you considered this thing I already consider it on the show? But I'm in therapy, so it's fine. Yeah, I'm about to join you now that everybody thinks I'm a put on. Dude, try, let's put you on this spot. Try to talk like accentsless.
Starting point is 00:03:12 Just to prove to people that you... I want to try. Let's hear it. Say... Well, let's hear from him, Dave. Back to you, Mark. It's like not even... remotely like
Starting point is 00:03:34 okay like if I try to talk like someone from Eastern Keseaggy's like hey buddy you're it's like very hi buddy come on down to the A&R whatever right okay so now do what I just did in reverse try to talk like me
Starting point is 00:03:48 hey buddy I can I can it always comes out sounding like Mickey Mouse or something that's cute I think it's cute hey man that's still even slips in there that's weird
Starting point is 00:04:05 Well, let's just take you to task in general today Is this the basis for your hate against Dolly? You realize you're going to get right into that. You realize you killed her, right? I got a text from my buddy Dehlin in Tennessee the other day And I didn't see it for like a couple hours I was like what was he talking about? Because he texted me, he said, well you won
Starting point is 00:04:28 I was like, wait what? Oh, oh oh Oh, man. Man. I've been laying low last couple days. I'll be honest with you. I mean, I've been wearing a mustache out to the grocery store, you know, like a Groucho-Marx cigar.
Starting point is 00:04:49 The funny thing is, is like I get a lot of ire for being a contrarian. Because I kind of am. I've got ODD, right? I trumped all of you all, though. But you guys, you did. I stepped in it. You really, you really went the extra mile with hating on Dolly, which is like...
Starting point is 00:05:06 But here's the thing about it though. Here's the thing about it because I went back and I read that last night I'm like, yeah, some of this stuff is just like... The thing for the baffler you wrote? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Some of the stuff is just like, now that I see it like six years later,
Starting point is 00:05:20 I'm like, yeah, some of this stuff is just the sort of like everything's bad style at the time, you know what I mean? Yeah. It's just like tickey tech stuff. It's like, Dali is not... We weren't fully...
Starting point is 00:05:33 If I had to go, if I had to go, if I had to say, let's see if I could drop a kind of like psychological profile here of the piece, we still believed that the parts of our heroes that were good could overcome, not just the parts of them that were bad, but the whole world. So like when Chad Abramrod said that Dolly ended apartheid in South Africa, that in and of itself was a projection because it expressed a real feeling, is that we would like Dolly to end. To do that.
Starting point is 00:06:07 Apartheid in South Africa and the West Bank. And we don't stop to pause and say, well, she didn't do any of those things. And so your piece was reckoning with this. It's against Stan culture. It's really what it is, but it's using Dolly as like the jumping off point. It's against Stan culture,
Starting point is 00:06:25 but it is also, if I had to periodize it, pre-dumer. Pre-Dumer. When did you write that? 2018? 2020. It's a pandemic. Okay. So like we weren't fully Dumer yet in 2020, right? We were trending that during.
Starting point is 00:06:39 You could say we're not even fully Dumer now. I would say two years ago I was fully Dumer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, now I'm gay in the old way of using the word. Like happy? Yeah, but gay, like, frolicing through fields. Meadows. I'm Dumer. I frolic through fields dumerly.
Starting point is 00:07:01 You're at peace with the collapse. I get a little stick. I frolic through the fields. I run the stick against the picket fence. But I'm doomer doing it. Hey, Mr. Wilson. There you go. That's how.
Starting point is 00:07:17 So, but the piece was, I went back and wrote your thing for the bafflor. I was hoping people wouldn't rediscover it. I was nervous. Oh, dude. Oh, dude. Trust me, dude. I, there are so.
Starting point is 00:07:30 I won't acknowledge. There are so many things I wrote, 2016 through 2022 that I wish we could just scrub just get just get my dolly and by that is your
Starting point is 00:07:43 is your non-profits my non-profit essay yeah like every in fact most essays I wrote in fact let's just say all of I don't think I've I've heard a good one yeah
Starting point is 00:07:54 let's just say none of those were good let's just start fresh it's against stay in culture though it is against stand culture it uses I guess what I was trying to say is this
Starting point is 00:08:07 is part of it was also because I went back I don't know why I sought this out because I never do this because it just messes with my head but I saw it out of what some people were saying at the time and it wasn't that many people to be fair or at least I don't know there were people talking about the baffo dot
Starting point is 00:08:25 but they didn't seem to triangulate me out maybe because I'd nuke to my Twitter account oh you mean like right now people were no no no no no no at the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And somebody was like, this runs right up to reasonable critique
Starting point is 00:08:40 of staying culture or something like that, but also middle-aged white man's, like, grievance with those people that, like, indulge in that. Uh-huh. Which is, like, a little true. Okay. You know. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:08:55 I think my thing with what I was trying to get at. That was not a take down a dolly to say that Dolly is a uniquely heinous figure. I don't believe that at all. It is just to point out that, like, a lot of famous people have these, like, sort of surgically crafted PR, front-facing,
Starting point is 00:09:18 whatever you want to call it. And that a lot of times with the stands, they just, like, use that, the ambiguity in that, to just make their idols, whatever they want them to be. Uh-huh. And that's how you end up like,
Starting point is 00:09:35 it's not that Dolly chopped it up with everybody from the Communist Party USA to Kim Jong-il. You know what I mean? That would be tight. It's just that anybody can just make Dolly what they need her to be. Yeah. And how that's not necessarily fair to the person.
Starting point is 00:09:50 And also it produces a lot of weird stuff downstream. Like these people say, Dolly, Dolly's a Satanist that sacrificed you. I'm like, calm down. Wait, wait. People say that? Yeah, yeah. There's like this whole stream.
Starting point is 00:10:01 This is online shit, so this is not, I'm not trying to say this is like widespread. But the logical end point of like Stan culture is like coming up with this. Psychosis. Yeah, that's exactly it. A psychosis. It is a stand-standum. It's a fandom that I can, I have much more respect for that than Taylor Swift. Oh.
Starting point is 00:10:26 And the only reason why is just simply because those songs, The Dolly songs are going to hold up for another is 500 years. Because that's just about like basic human emotion. Well, if Joleen was the rallying cry of Nelson Mandela and those fighting apartheid in South Africa. It doesn't make sense. A song about a woman begging another woman not to cuck her for her man. It's a bank teller, actually. Oh, really?
Starting point is 00:10:51 Because you noticed the bank teller was flirting with Carl. That's right. That's the origin of that. There's their origin, yeah. I'm not sure how that translates to South Africa. part-time. However, the Taylor Swift songs
Starting point is 00:11:05 will not age well because they only, you know, it's just like, like I've said before, I just can't imagine an 80-year-old singing songs about like high school.
Starting point is 00:11:19 But whatever. Well, it's kind of locked into a time. Yeah, there's like, you know, I'm not going to pick them and stuff because there's,
Starting point is 00:11:26 look, I'm drawing fire. There's stuff I love and is insanely dumb. I'm drawing fire away from you by taking on Taylor Swift. I appreciate that. I appreciate what you're trying to do, but it's not necessary. We don't have to bag on the swifties to just do a little misdirection.
Starting point is 00:11:46 I will say that her dying did feel wild. It felt like it happening in the middle of what is clearly the death throws of a certain conception and articulation of American power, both cultural and material, it happening at that very moment did feel, like, kind of whiplash. It's kind of like, I don't know,
Starting point is 00:12:12 people say, end of an era, but, like, genuinely. True. True, like, it is, like, a more innocent era. Like, I was listening to, like, all day yesterday, NPR was, like,
Starting point is 00:12:22 doing, you know, Dolly world shit, dolly stuff. And, um, just like the retrospective of her career it's like man like it's uh we were a lot more i don't want to say the word innocent but like it's just um it had more levity it had more levity it was a little wider yeah yeah yeah things didn't feel so um it it i don't know
Starting point is 00:12:52 the spirit of dolly in the world made things lighter i think that's indisputable i think you know whatever, you know. Well, and it also told a specific turd. It told a specific story about... A turd. A turd. A specific story. About America, which was...
Starting point is 00:13:09 And I don't know if it's true about Dahlia or not. Like, it seemed like it was. It seemed like it was more true for Loretta Lynn than it was Dolly. But she definitely got the whole bootstraps mythology applied to her. And again, that was another kind of like myth that, like, made sense for the time, but does, are any of our fucking pop stars
Starting point is 00:13:34 or singers or artists, do they, do any of them come from humble origins anymore? It's like, I have to listen to fucking Gracie Abrams and shit. I have to listen to fucking Nepo children making the most bog standard, like mid-bullshit imaginable. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just like... Well, it's the price to participate now, you know?
Starting point is 00:13:54 Yeah. Whereas they used to go pluck you out of the hollers and the inner cities or wherever, you know, if you had the talent or if you were making waves. Now, like, they just craft that at home. Yeah. You know what I mean? And I'm not saying there's not Nepo babies
Starting point is 00:14:08 or rich kids that don't have talent or have not cultivated a talent. I think that's clear. No child of J.J. Abrams is writing a song like 9 to 5. No, no, no, no, no. Or I will always love you. No, no, no, that's true. That's true.
Starting point is 00:14:22 But what I am saying is that, like, where it falls a little flat to me is, like, If we lean on our storytellers and our musicians and stuff to sort of reflect, like, life experience back to us, if, like, you don't have any struggles to call your own necessarily. And I'm not saying rich people don't have struggles or whatever of a kind. But there's just some things they'll never have to worry about or never have to know about. Yeah. Which are fundamental to a lot of people in this fucking country and all over the world, obviously.
Starting point is 00:14:53 But, like, I just don't know how you can accurately reproduce that. and that's not to say there's not great art made from that or whatever. It's a reason why I like a lot of the Dave Berman songs, but there's just some place I can't get with him because I know he's like a rich kid. His father. And I'm not saying he's not a fantastic songwriter, I don't like some of his music,
Starting point is 00:15:15 but it's just a place I can't go. That maybe if you are like a person of means or wherever, like a person of me if you're a rich kid like you could probably relate to that on a different level you know what I mean? Yeah no yeah yeah yeah
Starting point is 00:15:35 it just I guess what I'm trying to say here is that like I just let me before we go I like I really like Silver choosing Dave Burman I'm just saying but that like it creates a different lens through which you got to view the art
Starting point is 00:15:50 you know what I mean uh huh uh huh uh huh um uh uh What I guess the part I'm trying to make here is it like we live in a world in which the rich the wealthiest of the wealthy won and I don't know they didn't win for all eternity and they didn't win um maybe in the medium term long term but they definitely won this round and we're seeing the effects of it and so but I guess what I'm saying here is that like dolly was the representation of a specific kind of mythology about America which was that like well her herself if you came from her home humble origins, you could reach incredible highs.
Starting point is 00:16:29 Sort of high. And that is just, like, I'm just like reading this the same day that I'm reading, like, Trump is importing, like, what, 133,000 pounds of, uh, fucking mystery beef. Mystery beef is moated with, like, toxic antibiotics. RFK Jr. is on an apology tour for measles, um, but they're still not going to do anything to change the fact that there's glass in the fucking fruit bars. there's IV bags with fiberglass in them. And like Scott Besson is like going around and...
Starting point is 00:17:04 Like we should kill them just to be clear. I want to say that. I want to say that. Like I just want to say that I don't even give a flying fuck. But like these are offenses that don't that like there's somebody that's like in the hospital like getting fiberglass shot in their veins and might die from that. Like you should I just it blows my mind that not only are we not going. going to kill them, they're going to keep just right in the coffers. And so what I'm saying is that like the juxtaposition of like the simplicity and what be
Starting point is 00:17:34 the word, I'm not going to use the word like benevolent to describe a person like Dolly, but I will say that she had a kind of like geniality and a amiability. Like a, she cultivated a certain like personality type that was accessible, friendly, and not cruel. Let's just say that. Not cruel. Okay, and say what you want about our business prices. I'm not going to get it.
Starting point is 00:17:58 I don't care. Whatever. That's like, that's one thing about that whole thing is like, that I thought was tiki tech about the whole piece. It's like, you could literally pick any rich person and point those things out about them. You know what I mean? And it's just like, I just had to pick the one that everybody seems to like, you know, everybody likes. It's just such an unforced error. Point being.
Starting point is 00:18:20 I should have stayed in the, in the staying culture lane. That's what I mean. Well, I think our first. mistake was writing anything. Yeah, that's true. We just just never write. Don't write articles. Also, too, don't write anything to you're like 45.
Starting point is 00:18:35 Yeah, that's true. If you're thinking there, oh man, I'm going to write the next great American novel you're 24. Yeah. Stop. Ocean vong, stop. Wait to your 45 before you write anything else. Okay, so there's a difference between like benevolence slash compassion and kindness, in my opinion.
Starting point is 00:18:53 And I just want to say that like, it's jarring to see. see the juxtaposition between like the kindness and simplicity of a Dolly Barton mashed up next to the grotesque like Cronenbergian freak show that is the current rating on every
Starting point is 00:19:11 aspect of American life currently going on. You know what I'm saying? It's like it genuinely like if we're talking about like just purely at an aesthetic level the mashing up of Dolly Parton with David Cronenberg is a really bizarre stew. But like that's,
Starting point is 00:19:28 but that's like, honestly, I hadn't really thought about Dolly in years. You know what I'm saying? Like, I mean, I listen to the songs and got the trio album. Every time she'd kind of pop up the news, I'd get text, especially maybe like, you best, it's like, I just want to be clear. I don't hate Dolly Parton. I love Dolly Parton. I love her as an artist, as a performer. I just think that like, when you get staying culture, you just tend to overlook the blind spots, you know what I mean? Yeah, I get you, man. I get you look.
Starting point is 00:19:56 I'll say this. I was talking to a friend this morning, and they made a good point. We were talking about Dolly Dine and what that means. For people in eastern Kentucky Appalach and stuff, because he's just such a massive cultural figure here. Where, like, when I was a kid, we were talking about it's like, I thought Dolly was like a weird aunt of mine or something.
Starting point is 00:20:14 Yeah. Like, really? Like, I'm not, like, exaggerating that in the sense that, like, I thought she was kind of like a distant family member or something. Like, I thought that, like, my mom knew Dolly Park when they were young. or something like that. I thought that about Michael Jordan. Did you?
Starting point is 00:20:29 That makes sense. A grandpa. My mom's my guy. And she brought up a good point, and she told me, she said, that there's a friend of ours whose father never, like, smiled in any family photo. Uh-huh. And anybody from Appalachia will know this experience. Well, every member of your family has a picture taken.
Starting point is 00:20:55 where there's probably multiple members of your family dressed up like they're like saloon goers in the 1800s holding a shotgun and like a jug of whiskey and like you know the your crazy aunts wearing a low-cut shirt and all this stuff and that's taken you know at the Silver Dollar City or the Dixie Stampede or Dollywood you can go there and get those taken and she said the only picture that our friend's dad ever smiled in
Starting point is 00:21:22 was that picture and he was his idea to go just to go there just to take those pictures and they're hanging on the wall and every other one he's like very not because he just didn't smile in pictures it wasn't because he was trying to be a dick or anything but the one picture he's got a shit eating grin on is the dolly
Starting point is 00:21:38 Dolly made him happy so I don't know there's look man we live in a spiritually technologically depraved world you got to take your happiness wherever you can find it
Starting point is 00:21:52 I mean dude I know people that fucking I don't know Go for it Well I was just gonna say like This is kind of like the message of like madmen and stuff too It's like how much like genuine like human emotion and expression Can you like mine from something as cheap in tawdry as a commercial Yeah
Starting point is 00:22:11 The sad and depressing thing brother is that there are tons of people out there that like Do you think commercials are funny or like have some sort of like You know what I'm saying like that adds that there is some sort of that And that's That's already... We get together every Super Bowl to see the new ads. That's already bottom of the barrel. We're drilling through...
Starting point is 00:22:32 Like, 21st century life is so depraved and, in my opinion, utterly vacuous. In a way that's, like, I think, unprecedented in human history, that we're drilling through the bottom of the barrel, like with AI, that you would take something already
Starting point is 00:22:50 as bottom barrel as, like, modern advertising and, like, subject. it to a template of, in my opinion, unreal, uncanny valley psychosis-inducing algorithms and machines. Like, that's how, that's how genuinely how, like, depraved everything is. And so that's what I'm saying, that, like,
Starting point is 00:23:10 Dali was kind of artifact of a previous era. Like, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. It's, like, it feels like something you could at least hold on to. It had a certain kind of tangibility to it that, like, say whatever you want about like the pitfalls of stand culture or celebrity celebdom or whatever it still was tangible
Starting point is 00:23:31 and it felt somewhat like real in a world as depraved as America was in the late 20th century now it has become even more I mean there's no who would even replace someone like dolly like there's no one like well first of all like they're not even you know for whatever reason like really elevating like women singers from Appalachia to start them they're mostly all men um but then like the ones that's not great ones of those either but uh but then the ones that they do elevate are like there's no dolly was kind of like um i've heard people she was one of the last like and this is a pretty bog standard you know obvious point but one of the last cultural figures that was like broadly popular that didn't that didn't get like funneled into the america a
Starting point is 00:24:29 america b dichotomy that wasn't a part of the culture war really like you know what i mean like even insane conservatives who are homophobic still fucked with dolly you know what i'm saying so i so she she was just kind of one of the last figures with broad support yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah strata you were from from the former consensus reality we all lived right well and i think to be honest with you, the thing and the reason why I wrote that piece is is what the catalyst for it was is she did that Squarespace commercial
Starting point is 00:25:06 and that interrupted for me. I forgot about that. Yeah, because the song she used was nine to five, which was probably interpreted as a working class anthem. And then they turned it into like a rise and grind thing for that. And that's what set me off. That was bad.
Starting point is 00:25:22 It is because that is like, that was the first sign of that consensus reality. Well, but that, like, sort of like, slipping away, yeah, the chair, devolving or falling in on itself. But it does show that, like, how even Dolly was, like, sort of,
Starting point is 00:25:38 um, was it as a product of a former type of American capitalism that, like, but like how within her specific, like, her specific, like, figure and, like, ethos and, and philosophy, be an approach to the world, like still contained within her, there was the kind of like
Starting point is 00:25:59 grind hustle cult core, hustle culture type thing. But like, the fact that, I don't know, that is very strict. That's a very thing, like, if Dolly was to, like, go out there and, like, hot Coca-Cola or, like, fucking any other, like, commodity that, you know, America, we kind of associate with, like, being a foundationally American, like, commodity, like, Coca-Cola. or Ford trucks or some shit. But like Squarespace, very fucking bizarre choice.
Starting point is 00:26:31 And it just like I said, shows kind of like how things got away even from her. Five to nine, that's very fuck. I think that's like pretty disgusting. But like, you know, we talk about someone's legacy.
Starting point is 00:26:46 It's like, you know, there's a lot of good stuff to do. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You got to judge people on balance. You got judge people on balance. That's just the reality. of it like everybody no matter how saintly you have them
Starting point is 00:26:59 in your mind is like going to disappoint you or something oh yeah dude when I die my neighbors are gonna be like that fucking asshole Kurt cussed me oh and they don't know all the good things you said about they don't know all the good things I said in my life for example like neoliberalism is bad and
Starting point is 00:27:15 like we need to do stuff with politics yeah why won't they everybody reminds of that time me and you were driving over to why is that time and I was mad at Greg Napier for something. I don't remember what now. He, his show, we were listening to his show on the radio.
Starting point is 00:27:33 I said, listen to this fucking piece of shit. Da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da. Just because I was mad at him at the time. And because, I don't know, he put on a show where that artist management was calling me wanting some money. And I was like, this motherfucker hung me out to drive. What a fucking asshole. Da, da, da, da, da.
Starting point is 00:27:53 And five seconds later, he goes, just going to, send this one out to Tom sex and real over there a real pillar of the community a man with some vision who's changing things in Central Appalach
Starting point is 00:28:05 a moral center you're like God damn it disregard everything I just said that was good I liked that yeah
Starting point is 00:28:18 you know the thing about Dolly too though is like Dolly is and I'm not comparing her to Trump when I say this, but just in the same way that Trump is like
Starting point is 00:28:28 sort of the first person that was too big to fail because his name was associated with all the, you know, the American opulence and American exceptionalism and the, you know, over the top sort of wealth and everything that we've programmed
Starting point is 00:28:45 everybody to aspire to here. Dolly was one of the few people that was, she's kind of like Paul Bunyan. Yeah. Yeah. Like, or John. Henry or something. She's in a, yeah, I think, and like I said, I think that a lot of that has to do with
Starting point is 00:29:02 her trajectory. Well, there's also just a lot of myth making around her. And it's like, you know, it's hard to say like where, where that stems from or anything like that. But I remember listening to this Dolly podcast like, back, God, it's like 2018, 29. Dude, is that the radio lab one? It may have been the day. That's the one where they, yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:25 But they told this story in there that she like, when she was a little girl in Tennessee, that she hopped this fence and there was like broken glass on the other end and she like came down on it on her bare feet and it severed her toes off. Oh, so I see what you're saying. And then they were like,
Starting point is 00:29:41 her mother had to sew her toes back on with like needle on thread. And I'm like, so it's basically like, so it's basically like a Jesus thing where like we have all these stories and legends about Jesus' childhood. We accept that he is amazing. that lived and for many people or like Paul Bunyan
Starting point is 00:29:58 yeah yeah she's a myth she's definitely like a figure a demigod sort of a demigone for sure I think it's partially to do with her personality like Loretta Lynn was kind of like task turn like a little costic and then kind of had that Trump thing
Starting point is 00:30:12 yeah yeah yeah whereas like Dolly was broadly agreeable personality wise it's like a very self-deprecating very charming I would not call Loretta Lynn necessarily charming in the same way.
Starting point is 00:30:26 Or Tammy Wynette or any of those other figures. But also, I mean, this conversation is limited by the fact that we're two mayo ass Y boys. Talking about women, aren't you? Yeah, yeah, exactly. And, like, she definitely had a kind of, like, girl boss. I hate to use that word. I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:30:49 But just kind of, like, mentality about it. You know what I'm saying? She, like, had a husband. like stayed out of the limelight and uh yeah you know well even like like the things i pointed out that that piece was like uh which i'm like i don't stand by it but then i'm just sitting here like you're validating every point i may but like you know she she would oftentimes reject the label a feminist and then she kind of hedged and kind of came around on that you know yeah and then she would just say now like i'm a business woman like that's like a strong part of like my identity
Starting point is 00:31:23 and all this kind of stuff and like didn't see any sort of conflict in that and you know again like as far as the as you know multi multi multi multi millionaires go like she did a lot of like tangible good like even in severe county after like the wildfires there she built like out of our own money like nine point six million worth of housing for people yeah now issue is not like with like saying that's bad or anything like that it's saying that like it's messed up we live in a world where we have to depend on the altruism of like our heroes or she rose in this kind of that's good i like that also um something happened like in the 90s where um you started to get new consumer demographics like new blocks of consumers,
Starting point is 00:32:21 one of which was queer consumers. You know what I'm saying? Like as a definable consumer block, right? That didn't exist in the 60s. It didn't exist in the 70s. There wasn't like a queer community that you sold thousands.
Starting point is 00:32:35 Well, there was, but there was not stuff marketed directly to them because a lot of people still had to be in the closet and all these other things. Exactly. That's what I'm trying to say. Sorry, I did it. I put the cart before.
Starting point is 00:32:46 You're like, there was no queer community before not. 92. You see what I'm trying to say. Hey, when gay came out in 92. When gay came out in 87. There's something about her general appearance
Starting point is 00:33:01 that is kind of so over the top. Like, there's a lot of drag performers that, like, the, you know. And sort of their template. Yeah, and so, like, I think that, like, that was another big... We're just saying shit that's, like, very obvious to a lot of people.
Starting point is 00:33:16 But I think you got to, you do make a good point that like her name was synonymous with a certain thing and that's not true of a lot of American figures other than like Trump is one yeah like Oprah is another one like just like the one name right like just and like that name becoming like a sort of signifier and synonymous with a lot of pale like those people you just mentioned in any number of Brazilian soccer players exactly um just Brazilians in general but like I want to to talk about Trump actually. Let's pivot to talking about some stuff. Because like, you know, this week, I would say that in the last two to three weeks, the
Starting point is 00:34:00 wills have completely fallen off. Anything we could conceivably label a Trump coalition. I mean, fucking skinny jelly rolls out there talking about. He hosted Jimmy Kimmelville and I announced Project Pat and Juicy Jay I saw. Yeah. So I, and he was talking shit about Trump and his bad, um, was he? Yeah, his bad approval numbers. Jailyroll was. Jailie Roll was, yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:30 So he's pivoting that, hard pivot. I don't know if he ever was pro-Trump. I think he kind of did like a coy, like playing his cards close to his chest type thing. I think what he did was he just waited to see which way the winds were blowing. Then he was, yeah. He made, like, I think he made gestures to like the Trump aesthetic and like cultural thing. He definitely is not a thing without Trump. Yeah, but like he...
Starting point is 00:34:53 He's still, like, doing marginal, like, rap records if not from Trump. He wouldn't have crossed over to country. That's true. And without J.D. Vance, too. Yeah. Kind of, like... Which is funny. I saw a really funny tweet this yesterday that was, like,
Starting point is 00:35:07 J.D. Vance still hasn't said anything about Dolly. He's a fake appellatechin. Like, I don't think he's going to. Don't hold your breath. In all my critiques of J.D. Vance and people say what we want, We were headed the curve on that. Oh, you're defending us? No, I'm defending us.
Starting point is 00:35:25 I'll defend us on this one point. No other points will I defend us. From this one point, I'll defend us. I don't think, I don't think J.D. Vance is like a fake Appalachian. Oh, you don't. I don't think, like, I don't think you could take his, like, sort of hillbilly credentials from him.
Starting point is 00:35:43 You have to make the differentiation between he is, like, the grandson of people that came from Eastern Kentucky, versus having actually been raised there in the stew. But when people are like... He's diaspora. He's a fake Appalachian. That'd be like saying like somebody from Jamaica's not a real African. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:35:59 Or whatever. It would be like saying somebody from Boston's not a real Irishman. Exactly. Pretty much. That's what you just said. Hey, you said it. I don't know. I have had questions about his whole thing.
Starting point is 00:36:15 Just because he was selling people for the longest time, his last name was Hamill. Oh, yeah. Well, that's... Right? J.D. Hamill is more distinctly Appalachian last name.
Starting point is 00:36:25 He slips the mask on when it's convenient for him and takes it off when it's not. Totally. I'm not saying that's not true. I'm just saying like when people are, he's a fake. He's a fake appellate.
Starting point is 00:36:35 He's a fake appellate. He's like, no. I mean, his grandparents are from Jackson. I mean, that's about as Appalach as you get. Um, where was it going with that? Trump. Oh. oh yeah okay
Starting point is 00:36:50 but it's just been a weird week and the fact like having dolly die in the middle of it was a very strange thing to sort of have dropped down in the midst of like like I said like I feel like the wheels have completely come off
Starting point is 00:37:04 the Trump thing like he has infuriated farmers and ranchers with the Canadian tariffs that's gonna all that's gonna make the farm situation even worse than it already is And there was this big write-up in the financial times
Starting point is 00:37:21 about how farmers are pissed at Trump. Primarily because the two things, the price of fertilizer is insane because the strata hormones is closed, and the price of diesel is insane because the straight-of-hormuz is close. And so farmers are like pissed. Trump says he's going to bail farmers out
Starting point is 00:37:38 to the $30 billion, but that's not going to be even nearly enough for them to make up the losses. $30 billion. And so then there's, talk 30 billion dollars okay i just want to so like like that's what he paid for that shitty ass beef in argentina is like argentina's dying don't you care
Starting point is 00:38:03 no frankly no don't give a fuck they made their choice yeah um but yeah and and then like i said to add insult to injury they're putting more tariffs on canada Canada has decided they're done playing ball Like they've And it's honestly like I'm kind of impressed
Starting point is 00:38:27 Like I don't know I genuinely Appreciate Mark Carney going the Iranians route Basically being like Fuck this dude Like every other fucking country Still being obsequious and like having to go through the motions Like Europe for example
Starting point is 00:38:42 Go through the motions with Trump And Canadians finally being like Fuck this man I'm fucking over it Like you know what I mean Like I'm done dealing with this asses Like it's just He's overplayed his hand
Starting point is 00:38:53 This is every person With this particular Syndrome Eventually Eventually goes a bridge too far Overplays their hand Yeah yeah yeah So like
Starting point is 00:39:03 It is interesting I mean I've seen a lot of people being like These farmers will still vote for him Regardless in 2020 I don't know about that man I would say I'm not I'm not gonna go ahead
Starting point is 00:39:14 And say that it's crazy we're even talking about He can run in 2020 Well right Right right right right They'll still vote for it I won't go as far as to say that they'll vote for a Democrat, but they'll sit it out. I mean, dude, the magnitude of how badly Trump has shafted American farmers and ranchers is fucking, is pretty amazing.
Starting point is 00:39:37 That's crazy. And, you know, you got to, you know, it was always heading this way anyways. Like, anybody's stupid enough to actually think it wouldn't. If you're out there and you're a rancher with an ornry streak, I'm not talking about, one of these Monsanto fucking, you know, Toties. I'm talking about like... John fucking Dutton, man.
Starting point is 00:39:56 Like a John. What is this? What is this crap? What is this crap? 30 million pounds of fucking tainted beef. What is? My father, my father were alive to see this.
Starting point is 00:40:10 He won't even buy my beef. But if you really wanted to become like a John Henry figure, like Dolly Parton, just go shoot him. Just shoot him. Go. Go blow his shit, move off.
Starting point is 00:40:23 That is true. You would become a John Henry. Like, if you did that, like, in Minecraft, like... In the fantasy world. Fantasy world. But, no, I mean, and... I guess what kind of still blows my mind, though, is the people still...
Starting point is 00:40:44 Like, it does... It is giving, like, late cult... vibes in the sense that like there are still people who are diehards and they seem to be completely enchanted by him still obviously natalie hart being one of them madly heart being chief among we talked about it on the patreon on monday um but like something that has been kind of perplexing me or sort of really blowing my mind is the fact that scott besant is still writing hard for this like I know we've said before that like in Trump too you've had a you know who's who of various toadies and sycophants and lackeys who you know basically do the mad max like witness me like I will see Valhalla thing with Trump like whether it was Christy Knoem with Minneapolis or Hegseth with the war or Vance with the racist. with the attempt to stoke pogroms.
Starting point is 00:41:50 Like, every one of them has had... Every one of them has had, like, their spot in the shine, you know, spot in the sun to shine. Or whatever, I don't know if that's the phrase. I think what you look for is time in the sun. Time in the sun. I went to idiom... Classic Ray Idiom.
Starting point is 00:42:09 I went to Idiom workshops and still, I'm not... I still haven't internalized it full. but like you know and most of them fall short of the glory right um but now besson's up like it's his turn to bat okay and it has you could make the argument it has been since trump started doing the tariffs and really since the war started but i do like besson's like reframe though like we talked about in chopper this week where he's like now what we're going to do now is grow the economy so much that it looks like the deficits are smaller by comparison Right, right, right. Well, his...
Starting point is 00:42:47 Classic CBT reframe. I'm kind of fascinated with his biography, like his career trajectory. Well, that's his story. Dude, he started out with none other than George Soros. Oh, yeah, you were saying that, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I didn't know that. It must be somebody else.
Starting point is 00:43:05 I didn't know that until just this morning I was reading in the New York Times. He started out... I swore you told me that the other day. Maybe I did that. It's possible. somebody else told me. When you have a baby,
Starting point is 00:43:17 you don't sleep much, which means you don't remember much. I don't know. But he started out with Soros. He was kind of like a wonder, is it Wonderkind? Wonderkind. He was like a young whiz,
Starting point is 00:43:28 like a hot shot coming up in finance. And he had this like mentor, Stanley Druckenmire or whatever is that. Stanley Shera. Yeah, San Shera. And he, you know,
Starting point is 00:43:41 he was known, like he had a lot of credibility because he made fucking billions for Soros. Which is ironic because Soros would become like the Boogieman for all these all right people who thought that he was funding Antifa and all this What is Bessence and Soros's relationship now? That's a good question. I don't know. Are they still?
Starting point is 00:44:01 I don't know. I would assume probably not. I mean, Bessent was even like a Democrat up until a certain point because he's gay and he would... Besson's gay? Scott Besson's gay, yeah. You didn't know that? I mean, I, I, strange. Yeah, he's gay.
Starting point is 00:44:19 And he donated to a lot of Democrats in 2008 and like in the 90s, you know, for like gay marriage and all this other stuff. I guess sometime in the last like 15 years, though, he's like, he is, he's like that, the inverse of that one meme. He's like socially liberal but economically conservative. or something, you know what I'm saying? Like he's, he, um, his kind of like, I guess you could say allegiance to monetary orthodoxy of neoliberalism has kind of led him to this point. But I guess what I'm saying is that like the moves he's made in the last week trying to paper over the $40 trillion debt, saying they're going to do economic D-Day against Iran, you know, trying to. trying to figure out the tariffs. Do you remember the tagline of the first left behind movie?
Starting point is 00:45:19 Huh. You know it's faith when you, it's all you've got left. That's what that makes me think of whenever I hear Scott the sentence saying, we're doing economic D-Day, let's be wrong. But that is all they have. A country we don't have any trade relationship with. That is faith. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:45:36 That is true. And it is all they have left. Yeah. And that certainly is all they have left. I'm, you know, there was this article in the New York Times. about, they interviewed a lot of like Scott Besson's old acquaintances and colleagues and peers and every single one of them, including his old mentor, are like, what the fuck is he doing? Like he's completely shooting himself or at least torching his legacy, what legacy he did have.
Starting point is 00:46:03 And a lot, which is whatever, I don't give a fuck. Like these people are all cretans. Like I wish they would fucking, you know, die and all the other things you could say. But like, I am genuinely from a storyteller's point of view, like, curious as to the psychology of this individual. Like, how is he willing and why is he willing to torch his entire legacy and career for this one guy, Donald Trump? It's like the Natalie Harp thing, like which we've talked about, which we talked about on Monday in the Patreon. Imagine writing those letters about a grotesquery like Trump. Imagine taking down the global economy, devaluing the dollar and destroying the dollar and destroying.
Starting point is 00:46:41 destroying your legacy for that. For essentially the monster at the end of substance. Once again, I have to ask, like, and I know we've been doing this for fucking almost 10 years now. We've had Trump for almost 10 years. What do people see in him? Like, how are they still so enchanted? But, you know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:46:57 I don't... It is a cold. I guess even the farmers and ranchers now, though, are selling on it. But, like, I'm still shocked, though, that a guy like best instill in the administration. Whereas in his first term, Trump's first term, people weren't fucking leaving all the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, how is he still in there? Like, people, yeah, that is true.
Starting point is 00:47:15 Trump won, it's like he fired people like every other day. Or they would quit or, like, they just couldn't handle it? I think it's how Trump got his jollies then. Now he's like, obviously so checked out in old and tired, you know? He is checked out. He's just like, who it was there is fine. Ask him about housing policy. He's like, it doesn't even matter.
Starting point is 00:47:30 He literally said the other day, he's like, it's just all a big yawn. Yeah, it's all big yawn. It's like, it's like, things only matter if they, like, excite him or animate him. Or benefit him. I mean, I can't, you know, I'm not trying to sound like a lib here, but like, genuinely, like, he, the entire second Trump administration has been one massive enrichment scheme. Right. And so, like, that's why he's checked out. He is old as fuck.
Starting point is 00:47:57 Don't get me wrong. But he's made $8 billion in two years. Like, he's kind of rigged it in such a way. And, like, Project 2025 and the Heritage Foundation, all these people have rigged it in such a way that, like, at this point, it kind of can just run an autopilot. you make all the food terrible and poison everybody you throw everybody off of health care or health insurance and through all these like little tweaks
Starting point is 00:48:19 you you sort of you know thin the human capital stock out of the weakest yeah and accumulate mass wealth in the top mass wealth at the top it's like it's just going according to planes it's pretty much right but we're all sitting there like no surely this won't like carry on it's like
Starting point is 00:48:35 this is exactly what they want to do yeah and that's not a conspiracy it's like intentional. And that's why he's checked out because it kind of can just run an autopilot. Like them, I'm like the Supreme Court ruling this week that I think part of Trump's
Starting point is 00:48:51 mail-in ballot policy will get to be enacted. Which is what? Like I think that they're restricting certain kinds of melon voting. I wonder who that's going on. Yeah. And there's not a single fucking Democrat
Starting point is 00:49:09 left they could like mount a challenge to this no hekeem jeffreys is meeting with jerry kusher i mean he met with jerry they they met together and they had a conversation on areas where republicans and democrats can work together where the white house and democrats can work together what do you think that's going to be tom uh israel data centers no voting restrictions all the bad things that were like going after the trump people for like the democrats are you forget that's that these are the only places they're aligned this is the thing If you want to sit here and you want to talk about like how stupid the average American farmer is for voting for Trump, fine.
Starting point is 00:49:42 They deserve that. But there is a stupider fucking group of people than the average American farmer. And that's the Democrats. Because how is it that the fucking farmers, even they can see now that they've been shafted and there's no future left in this? But Hakeem Jeffries is still meeting with fucking Jericho.
Starting point is 00:50:00 There's some common ground to be funny. That's insane. Yeah. Again, though, I mean, you got to call it down to, You gotta call it fair. That's exactly what. Like I said, just to kind of prove my point, I wanted to read this thing real quick,
Starting point is 00:50:12 just in the New York Times. I thought this is really incredible. Man, Trump administration wants billion-dollar businesses to qualify as, quote, small. The Small Business Administration is seeking to vastly expand the definition of small businesses, aiming to give much larger companies
Starting point is 00:50:32 access to government contracts, loans, and other assistance. The proposal, Which the Trump administration says would allow businesses to continue to benefit from the agency's programs as they grow amounts to a sweeping overhaul of standards that have changed little in decades. Many business owners support some increase in the limits on revenue and employees that determine what qualifies as a small business. But the scale of the proposed increase would also place small businesses in direct competition with significantly larger rivals for contracts and loans, raising alarms that the agency could hamstring the very businesses it was helped to create. in some industries such as financial investment services, companies that earn up to $1 billion or employ more than 3,000 people,
Starting point is 00:51:12 more than some publicly traded corporations, the highest current cap for most industries is annual revenue of up to $47 million or fewer than 1,500 employees. So that's already stretching the boundaries of... When I think a small business, I think of like me and you opening up a lemonade stand, you know what I mean? But even by the U.S. government's definition, you can have 1,500 employees and that's considered small business.
Starting point is 00:51:39 Yeah, make up to $47 million. Now they're raising it to $3,000 employees and $1 billion. Said Angela Dingle, the president and chief executive of women impacting public policy, I don't feel like this change was made with small businesses in mind. Gee, you think? Caitlin O'Day, a spokeswoman for the Small Business Administration, said the changes would reward growth, strengthen domestic production, and rebuild key supply chains, which is essential to restoring American industrial dominance and national security. So it's like what, it's like we didn't have to destroy any of that to begin with. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:52:20 Like I can even concede that like COVID might have, you know, that might have came out of nowhere. But even Trump knew about COVID like months before he told anybody. They just can't help, but like, once again, small businesses, a lot of those small business owners would be like natural allies to the Trump cause. And probably we are. I mean, I would surmise most of them. Most of them. I think even in fact, most of the analyses I've seen on the socioeconomic composition of the rioters on January 6th. Or small business.
Starting point is 00:52:56 Most of them were small business owners. Most of them were failing small business owners. So it's like the whole... Now he's kind of betraying the sort of coalition that actually we're going to do an overthrow of the government for him. Now they're like, hey, actually billionaires need to be in this equation. This is why I don't think he's running again in 2028. It's only predicated on the idea that he can basically rig it in such a way
Starting point is 00:53:25 that there is no election and he just continues. to be president. Yeah. Because... He can't run again. He'd have to suspend the Constitution, name himself like emperor forever. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:53:35 Yeah. So basically like... Right. And what I'm saying is that like there is no constituency left, which is really funny that J.D. Vance is going to go out there and have to try to pretend like there is. Like basically go out there and have to try to piece together what, you know, three to four members are left.
Starting point is 00:53:56 So the Trump coalition, J.D. Vance, of all people. You know, it's hilarious. He's moving like a man who does, what I'm saying, he's moving like a man who does not expect any future support. Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. It's so funny to see a person, probably the same thing with Scott Besson, even though Scott Besson's older.
Starting point is 00:54:15 But J.D. Vance made every move of his entire life, his whole brown-nosed-and-ass life, to basically squander it all on a generational madman. You know what I mean? It's like your whole life was a waste, buddy, and you're my age. Well, he was basically put in there by Teal to essentially... Another generational madman. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:54:39 Basically to essentially cement or bind the freak vote, like the deadender, um, nihilist tech-obsessed freak vote, you know what I'm saying? the freak messianic sex you know a demographic of the Trump coalition and which is about all that they have left
Starting point is 00:55:05 pretty much even then like didn't didn't till himself like bail for Argentina I think so or maybe Lexington Kentucky or maybe Lexington Kentucky has been spotted on here more
Starting point is 00:55:15 there's been rumors but but yeah I guess he's not making moves like a Trump not making moves like a guy that would like... And what's really kind of funny about this is that he is so
Starting point is 00:55:30 self-centered and only cares about himself, like sort of narcissistic, that he doesn't even understand the fundamentals of building a party and a movement. So basically he's setting the Republicans up for failure. Dude, I don't know how many articles I've seen just this week who are like...
Starting point is 00:55:47 Featuring Republicans who are like, dude, you already fucked us with Iran war. We have to go out there and sell for the midterms. You fucked us with inflation
Starting point is 00:55:59 and now you're... That, dude, this may be part of his plan. Part of his plan may be to be like emperor for life. It may just be like, let's just neuter the Republicans
Starting point is 00:56:12 and I'll just stay in and that's just like how it's got to be and the Republicans might go along with it because they don't have another choice because they can't run anybody fucking else in one. No.
Starting point is 00:56:21 It's one of two things. Either he's, yeah, gonna do like he's baron harconin and he's like fucking emperor for life like the massive rhizant of him worm for that he is right or he's just like oh it's all good or he's just going to you know go quietly into that good night with the 80 billion dollars he's made you know what I'm saying like it it doesn't he wins either way he he both wins and unless he gets his shit blown smooth off yeah he both wins and loses either way because I do wonder if
Starting point is 00:56:54 he I don't know there's something that makes me wonder that if he leaves office if he won't unless he gives himself like some sort of blanket future I mean he did give himself immunity from sort
Starting point is 00:57:10 of IRS audits and stuff um so sick but like the behavior of a man with nothing to hide I do think that the Democrats regardless of who they get in there,
Starting point is 00:57:24 will still try to at least do some sort of legal proceedings against them, just even as a basic fundraising thing. You know what I'm saying? If he leaves. They could be doing it now, but there's not, there's no money to be made there right now. And they don't even have a majority in either in Congress to do it. There's a reason why I too.
Starting point is 00:57:47 And so I don't think he really wins. but then again he's made tons of fucking money so he can basically afford any kind of legal protection or representation. If he becomes emperor for life, that's honestly, if I'm him, that's the route you want to take. Because basically,
Starting point is 00:58:05 you call the bluff of everyone and the only people willing to stand up to him are people like the Iranians and the Canadians of all fucking people. The American people aren't. We're just going to fucking bitch and whine about it and just like, man, this sucks. Because we're all fucking housebroken.
Starting point is 00:58:20 Yeah, and also there's just nothing we can do anyways. Yeah. I mean, we can... Turns out we're the real, Lance, not the Canadians. Oh, yeah, yeah. That was always part... That was always what I was saying with that bit, bro. Oh, okay.
Starting point is 00:58:31 That was the subtext of that bit. Oh, it was like a classic misdirection. Yeah. Yeah, pretty much. But, uh, I... Yeah, if I'm him, you want to go in for life. That's what you want to do. That's the move.
Starting point is 00:58:46 That's the move. Yeah. It's his only, it's really his only play. You suspend elections, maybe, what you want to do is suspend elections and maybe abolish the House of Representatives? Keep the Senate. Maybe you keep the House.
Starting point is 00:59:02 He's the only figure in politics brazen enough to go on TV and make the case of why he should be emperor for life. Yeah, yeah. But at this point, he doesn't even seem to really care that much about that, though, either. I mean, he's like, his whole thing now is, like, everything's just a big yawn. He's just waiting for death.
Starting point is 00:59:19 He wants to be in the office, but he doesn't want to do the duties of the office. Pretty much, yeah. You know, he wants to play golf all the time, but still be the main boy that everybody consults when they need something done. It is pretty brazen. It is really, really funny that they are now changing the definition of small business. And what they're doing now is they're squeezing small businesses, which is fascinating. Like, they've been squeezing...
Starting point is 00:59:45 Yeah, one of, like, the last, like, coalitions they have. That's partially what tariffs were. They were squeezing small businesses. But I'm just kind of shocked at how... Yeah, the tariffs were just a wealth transfer. Right, but with the tariffs, they could still plausibly make this stupid case that, like, well, we have a deficit, and tariffs will help build that out. And you pay you most in taxes anyways, right? And we can help lower your taxes by, you know, raising revenue through tariffs.
Starting point is 01:00:17 but like they've shown in the last 15 months that the only taxes they're cutting are for the wealthiest people and that the deficit is not changing anyways the debt's 40 trillion fucking dollars and the treasury secretary is out here pretending like he can like paper over it without devaluing the dollar and that's just not going to happen and so i guess we're headed for a It is... Collapse collapse. Not a 2008, like, people lose their homes collapse. I'm talking like... Smooth off.
Starting point is 01:00:50 We don't know if we'll be able to even buy, like, fiberglass-laced sourdough. Smooth off. Yeah. This story, listen to this. In Video, this is in Financial Times,
Starting point is 01:01:03 just to give you a sense of the scale of the coming collapse. I say that. I mean, I do get frustrated when I get on... This is why I don't even try to get on Twitter. these days, but I do get frustrated when I get on and people are like, you will die in six months.
Starting point is 01:01:17 Fucking everything. I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that. I don't know what shape it'll take. I have no idea. I'm just saying that these trends can't hold. It can't hold. Yeah, it just can't hold.
Starting point is 01:01:29 And I'm not discounting the possibility of something to give you happening that kind of gives us a stay of execution. But if these trends hold, you can't just keep rating the coffers and emiserating everybody and think that, well, the dollar's just going to keep trading strongly just because we're America. That Besson thing is classic desperation, man. That's bad. Like, I think that everybody knows it. Like, Wall Street's pissed off at him, and that's why all of his peers are like, what is he doing here?
Starting point is 01:01:58 Because everybody reads that for what it is. It's desperation. But they've been able to kind of coast and paper things over for the last 15 months, especially the last 16 months or six months since the war started. But they're reaching a point where there's dementia. diminishing returns, and there's only so much they can do. And so Bethent's like trying to, you know, purchase these long-term bonds through the Treasury's own bank account, essentially, is a act of sheer desperation. And so basically what you're saying, like, these trends can't hold.
Starting point is 01:02:33 Like, yeah, the chickens are, the early signs of the earthquake are starting to make themselves. No, no. This story in the Financial Times, though, I read this last night, and it was like, oh, I did a gulp, a Looney Tunes-esque gulp. Invidia forecasts 70% sales growth
Starting point is 01:02:55 fueled by relentless AI boom. Invidia boosted its forecast for AI chip sales next year as the $5 trillion tech giant tried to rebut criticisms that its raft of investments in financing deals with customers amount to risky circular financing. The world's most, valuable company on Wednesday reported revenue of $96.2 billion for the quarter to the end of July
Starting point is 01:03:16 and projected sales up about $108 billion for the current quarter. Chief Financial Officer Collette Chris said customer demand was set to double, but revenue would be limited by supply constraints. The projection, along with the announcement that Amazon Web Services has agreed to start deploying an additional 2 million of Nvidia's latest GPUs this quarter, push the shares up more than 7% in Thursday. Morning trading. There's something.
Starting point is 01:03:46 This month, the robust earnings report comes as the CHIP group faces greater investor scrutiny over how it has deployed its vast balance sheet to help its customers fund their building of AI infrastructure. These come on top of investments in many of its biggest customers in revenue sharing and vast sales deals. Basically, the point here, man, is that this is such a
Starting point is 01:04:11 it is a kind of gold rush on a scale like that it's just incomprehensible it's hard to even wrap your mind around but it too has natural limitations it's like if you were paying for gold but there was no gold pretty much
Starting point is 01:04:28 and basically fueling your entire GDP off of this phantom yeah it's a phantom it's vapor it's you know it's like I get we live in a digital world now so I know what people critique of what I just said would be but the thing about it
Starting point is 01:04:43 is man is like there's a reason why these data centers and everything pertaining to this is just like rammed down our throat with no sort of like referendum from the public and it's because if we don't accept it then there's yeah basically that's the gun
Starting point is 01:04:59 that they're holding to everybody's it's really astonishing it says your data center revenue but still not able to say that because they still need to make us think that there's value in AI or something? Data Center revenue, which relates to the company's core AI chip business that has been the primary driver of its growth,
Starting point is 01:05:18 was $89 billion last quarter, up 117% year on year. I mean, look at, like, we were talking about this on Shopify a little bit, but like, look at, for example, China's commitment to this. Now, these are a more sober, minded society
Starting point is 01:05:38 forward civilization driven people and their investment is 650 data centers in their whole country which is massive too yeah
Starting point is 01:05:49 and we kind of view data centers that's just like a nascent thing that's just now getting off the ground we already have tens of thousands here I think we have 5,000
Starting point is 01:05:58 yeah I think is I thought it was like 50,000 I think it's 5 Europe has 3,000 so the entire continent of Europe 3,000 that's crazy across all those countries
Starting point is 01:06:07 Europe is even worse than America because Europe is smaller. They have 3,000 data centers. Yeah. In a time... That's where I aunt's live. Sorry, Canada. But I don't know. InVITA remains largely frozen out of China's market by strict U.S. export controls and a backlash from Beijing.
Starting point is 01:06:31 I think that the point here is that, like, the last remaining frontier of growth is AI. And because of the sort of politics with China around this are lack of full control over rare earth minerals and the resources necessary for these chips. The fact that data centers are becoming increasingly unpopular, like that in and of itself is kind of a time bomb. You know what I'm saying? all of this is just kind of mind-blowing but it's just all of it is just coming to a head at the same time
Starting point is 01:07:14 and it makes me think that there's probably only one of two outcomes either Trump just declares himself God Emperor and we start to turn ourselves into some sort of like capitalist feudalist I'm not going to say techno-neofutalist
Starting point is 01:07:30 but like something along the lines of that because look rentier activities are not an area of growth. Even though it's everything now. It's everything now, but yeah, it's not an area of growth. It's just kind of like,
Starting point is 01:07:44 it's the maintenance. You see that with everything with the subscription model is flailing trying to like, see how they can simultaneously offer less, but frame it as a value add. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:07:55 It doesn't meaningfully add to the GDP. You know what I'm saying? It is just one of those things that's like, they've already got our backs against the wall, so they're just going to shake us down. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 01:08:05 I'm saying. Tell you what it is, man. It is like, we have, we have sort of just committed a metaphysical sin by abandoning the tactile world. Yeah. Like, to try to turn everything into vapor and monetize that, it cannot be. It just violates the laws of physics, thermodynamics, the law of everything. It just does.
Starting point is 01:08:33 Yeah. Do you know what I mean? We've basically... Like even something you might think is digital, like a film or something. Well, there was a time when they sold physical copies of it, but then we went away from that. That ceased to become, that's why Hollywood's in such pitiful shape. Moving away from the tactile to the vaporous is what's caused us a lot of problems.
Starting point is 01:08:53 That's why we need to start reading again. We need to get back into books. Here's the craziest part of that. We've damaged the world more moving away from tactile. Like you would think that an added benefit of moving to a digital vapor-based world would be ecological that might be a boon
Starting point is 01:09:10 you know what I mean and that used to be the early value add of like moving into more digital and like stuff in the cloud and all that stuff
Starting point is 01:09:18 is better if they invite all this kind of stuff and it's like no everything has a cost or everything has a carbon um element aspect of it yeah but yeah
Starting point is 01:09:30 I don't I don't know I mean to me I just read all these things is like very desperate it. And so, and
Starting point is 01:09:38 one of two things happens, either Trump declares himself God Emperor or he just leaves and John Ossoff becomes president. Yeah,
Starting point is 01:09:50 the B story. We vote our Asov. I was driving Ossoff wins with 96% of the vote. I was driving the other day and NPR was doing this full-on fallatio
Starting point is 01:10:02 like philating of Osop. Like, fucking, I'm not kidding, Tom. It was at least a 30-minute thing about how great he was. Interviewing all these people about how great he was. It was weird.
Starting point is 01:10:15 I went to the store. When I was driving to the store, they were talking about him. And then I get in my, I go to the store, I fucking take a little walk. I come back to my car 20 minutes later. And it's still on. They're like, I think John that stuff is so cool and great and handsome. And I think he says he's not going to run for president, but he should.
Starting point is 01:10:36 It's like, what, is this the news now? What the fuck is this? Also, to that end, there's nobody that says Beto 2, like, Ossop. Yeah, dude.
Starting point is 01:10:47 The time of like the cool middle-aged dad is going the same way as millennial cringe. Oh, I trust me, I know. It's the time of weird little guys. Yeah. And weird old guys. And weird old guys.
Starting point is 01:10:58 That's true. There ain't, no, this ain't no country for an Osop. That is true. We need a weird little guy. We need a guy. We need like... A Napoleon.
Starting point is 01:11:07 He was a weird little guy. We need a guy like Peter Lorry. Yeah. You know? Yeah, you need a weird little guy. Yeah. That is so true. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:11:15 Either weird little guys or weird old guys. Yeah. That's the future politics. That's future politics. I don't know what we don't understand by this. Quit trying to make the like handsome middle age white dad that loves Woutain clan, I think. That's true. It's so true.
Starting point is 01:11:30 He's so cool because he listens to Biggie in the car. Like, no, that guy's... That guy's gone the same way as fucking all the other millennial cranes. Yeah, you're right, dude. What about American culture at this point? Like, Dolly was the last probably non-freak. I guess Obama's not a freak. But like...
Starting point is 01:11:51 No, he's a freak, but a different guy. But I'm saying, like, physically. Oh, no. Like, and dispositional. You know what I'm saying? Like, Trump is a freak in that sense, right? Trump is a freak. When's the last Democratic freak we had?
Starting point is 01:12:02 Ross Perot? Biden was a fucking freak in that sense. He was a fucking physical grotesquery. He was a dispositional grotesquery. He called a guy fat and tried to fight him. He was like 78. What did you say fat? He literally said his name as fat.
Starting point is 01:12:20 He said, listen, fat. Listen, fat. Dude, something that was killing me was the fucking RFK blaming the measles outbreak on Biden. It's like, look, I would like to see Biden suffer more than maybe the vast majority of people on the planet. But to blame the measles outbreak on Biden is pretty good. He got to go a long way from getting me to defend Joe Biden.
Starting point is 01:12:46 I'm not even defending him. I'm just saying that like, it's just like they don't even have the conviction. They are kind of like liberals at this point, like the MAGA people. They don't even have the conviction to stand by their own goddamn policies anymore. You know what I mean? like because everything is kind of on an autopilot now right like look at the fucking food supply like they wanted they wanted to destroy regulation they've got it everybody's poison and they're fucking you know not feeling good they got glass in their intestines so just
Starting point is 01:13:18 stand by it if you wanted that and then fucking just own it up to it stand by it to be like listen we meant to put that fiberglass in you it pairs well with the microplastics already taking up resonance in your tissues yeah even do that. They can't even do that, man. Well, we'll see how it turns out, man. I gotta go. Any final thoughts
Starting point is 01:13:43 on Dolly or, oh, dude, fuck, we should have read this. But I, I guess we could read it, but I got to pee really bad. Is it in the New York Times? Is Andy Beshear the next Bill Clinton? I've not read it for you, no. I've not read it, though.
Starting point is 01:13:59 So I don't know how it is. You're right. Hey, hey, what is? Andy Beshear the next one. No, I don't think he has the sexual temperament. Yeah, well... There's a lot of bad things I can say about Andy Bashir, but I don't think he's a sex criminal.
Starting point is 01:14:15 Is he the next, Bill Clinton? Is he... Does he go to Epstein's Island? If not, then no. Yeah, if not, it's a flowchart. You have to waste 1,200 words on that. Maybe we can tackle that Monday. We'll tackle that on Monday, maybe.
Starting point is 01:14:31 All right, well, thanks so much you can go check a classic banger of an episode on our Patreon that we put out on Monday. Go listen to that. That was the most whacked out thing we've ever done. It is. It's down our sacabella. I have an update for you on that, by the way.
Starting point is 01:14:48 I'm not going to talk about it on that. We could talk about it on Monday, for sure. Now, I'll save it for Monday. Yeah. All right. Well, thanks so much for listening. Go check out the Patreon and we'll see you next time. Adios.

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