Trillbilly Worker's Party - Episode 467: Fire Cook With Me

Episode Date: October 23, 2026

This week we take a dive into the bizarre, psychadelic, fire-free world of raw meat and "dark nutrition." The 2026 Halloween special is now up, so please go check it out: https://www.patreon.com/trillbillyworkersparty/posts/halloween-2026-w-173117794 Support us on Patreon: www.patreon.com/trillbillyworkersparty

How do you build one of these, uh, he's ask a black guy consulting firm for people DMU their troubling race questions? They do, man. I think I'm actually about to start like an LLC, you know, where I advise white people on how they should dress for Halloween and if it's offensive or not. Although I could only do it for black characters, you know. I can't do it for like, like, I mean, I think it's pretty much stated and said that if you do like a cultural appropriation.

But like I was mentioning, In Star Wars, they're not like a real culture. They just happen to be white actors in black, brown face. So I don't know. I mean, how you score that one? I mean, I guess considering that you are, it is an accurate costume since they were white actors in black face, it wouldn't be offensive, I guess. You know, you know. You just be like, I'm from the 90s, man.

This is a callback. This is a throwback right here. I need you be fine. The clingons don't say niggas, so it's fine. You know what I mean? Like if Worf is saying the N-word, then I'd be like, all right, brother, maybe you shouldn't do that. I just looked it up, were there white clingons and there were. Yes.

Some albino clings. So this question was on the mind of the riders of Star Trek. Well, there's an episode, and I won't go into it, maybe. There's an episode in Deep Space Nine with Avery Brooks as the first black cat. Captain, and there's an episode where they go undercover as Klingon, so him, which is fine, because he's like a black dude. But then there's, like, white actors, like, Kohn Mini, who's an Irish guy. And, like, the cameras slowly pans.

It goes from Cisco, and you're like, oh, shit, he's a Klingon. He has the forehead prosthetics. And then it slowly turns to, like, you know, like Kohnini, this Irish white guy in brown face. And I was like, no. But at the time, though, you know what I mean? He wasn't really playing black face. He's playing a clean on face.

So he can't be bad, I guess. Well, also as an Irishman, if you'll notice, we've kind of born with Klingon face. With the eyebrows. Yeah, look at this. The incredibly furrowed brows. Yeah. So, you know. While it may have been incensed, the prosthetics, probably not even prospect.

They just found the most Irish guy they could. It'd be like, yo, you're perfect for this role. He just got to put all the prox. And then he's like, he's like, you know, we were slaves too. Yeah, he starts talking to you like this While having the Claygarde makeup on You know, you know what they called us When we got off at Elis Island

The Black Irish Yeah, where did that even come from The Black Irish? Is that like a, is that a derogatory term referencing? I've never even heard of that What is it? You've never heard of that?

The Black Irish, yeah. I've heard of Black. Beatles. Black Klansman? Yeah. Black Klansman. Black Dutch. Black Dutch?

Black Dutch? No, Black Dutch, I had a class in college. It was kind of a race class, too, because we watched, here's the movies we watched that semester. Europa Europa, which, do you remember that movie? That sounds familiar. I'm thinking of Europa Report. It's not the same thing at all. Well, there was, it was basic.

an older SS officer and a young Jewish boy become unlikely friends and then they're bathing in the river one day and the SS officer notices that the young boy is circumcised. Oh, awkward moment. There's a lot of themes in this

that are... So it's kind of like the green... It's kind of like that movie of the Green Book where I think like, what is that black, that white driver drives around that black, black jazz musician whose name was a real guy his name i forget based on real story apparently it's like then they show each other then they show each other their dick really get down to the rumors that they're like is it true he's like saying they're like a 19 he's like

this guy is white or wait no wait he doesn't know his race but until he sees his penis he's like wait are you are you a cracker but for some reason his penis has like reivitaligo or something like that or Vidaligo or something like that. Hey man, hey listen, I know a guy that has that. You got the spotted dick? We saw his dick and said, Matt, my man's dick looks like two can say him, speak.

Never living down. I think this is all good stuff. This is great. What's the weirdest dick you've ever seen on a friend? We won't say who it is, but just describe it. I'm going to pull a hard

um, audible here and not talk about weird. Not ashamed of my friends was called mischaping petises. I have respect for the misshaping penis crowd. I'm not going to body shape anymore. I did. Ah, thanks guys.

Thanks guys. I did see a, when I was like 12 is, or no, I'm trying to think like I remember like the first time I saw my first like uncircumcised penis. I was probably like 10 and I was like disturbed, dude. I was like at the swimming pool and my friend was

Catholic and I saw his penis and I walked out of the bathroom like oh my god like you know with a thousand yard stare yes I had the thousand yards stare I was like what was that and I think I asked my mom about it was like what was it was his penis was weird it looked like a torpedo I don't know what it was little did I know that my penis was the weird one yeah yeah yeah that's true that's true that's true until you get old enough to see enough penises you know and you look down here like damn i got a weird no i'm just saying like my as an uncircum or as a circumcised what are the statistics there's probably more circumcised there's probably more uncircised than circumcised right right right right i would assume so globally yeah globally

so i'm saying like i was the weird one i had no right to call him or think of him as non-normative when i was in fact right his penis is the baseline penis his penis was baseline mine was not mine was you had the common man's penis he had the common man's penis the commoners the commoners the commoner's penis the old commoner okay speaking of penis why are we talking about it on the show on monday but what the fuck is like do trump just keeps he keeps getting gayer by the day boys he's descending into homosexuality Maybe ascending perhaps. Or I send him.

Or a ascending. But I saw you set that text on. What do you do? What do you do this weekend, I guess? No, this week. Oh, dude. He's getting, he's, I just, he's just continuing the gay tour. Well, my take on this, after we did the episode on Monday on the patron, I was like thinking about it.

And obviously, by that point, like five or six new videos emerged of him, like, complimenting John Houston. beautiful ass, talking about a restaurant owner wanting to kiss him. You know what I mean? That's what I was talking about. The restaurant owner, I was like, okay, this is hitting a new gear. A new level of game. And then I saw the video of J.D. Vance. J.D. was asked about, or no, I don't think he was asked about it.

He made a comment at a rally where he was like, oh, trust me, I won't make any comment about men's bodies. It's like, like, you can be a lot happier if you would, J.D. That was basically his running, I'm running announcement,

you know. He's like, okay, I won't be homo like the last guy, like my boss. Uh-huh. They ask J.D. what the weirdest dick

he's ever seen on one of his friends is. I'm, his, yeah, okay, all right. I'm sorry. I'm not talking about any more dicks.

I can't talk about it. Are you not? You're done. Okay, sorry. All right. We've hit the threshold. Okay, can I'll say one last joke that I was thinking? When we talked about the cominor's penis,

how that would be a great parody novel by Jonathan Swift, you know. Or maybe Oscar Wilde, you know, the communist penis. Yeah. Well, my take on this for the, for a few days was like, I don't think he's actually like, because he's completely unaware that the media, like, Anderson Cooper ran a montage of, of all the clips of him complimenting men,

and New York Times ran that story that we read on the Patreon. But I don't think he's aware that the media has discovered this latent homosexual tendency of his. So I don't really expect it to change. I think it's probably going to get more and more prevalent as we get closer to the midterms. But the way that I see it, it's like several things. it's like he's on this tour, he's on the homo tour, right?

He's on this tour to like gin up interest for the midterms, which makes you pretty tired, right? So like he's probably pretty exhausted. And when you're exhausted, like what you do as a performer is you go out there and you just recycle the same jokes over and over and over. You go to your bag. You go to your bag. Exactly, exactly.

So I think that like what's probably going on is he knows that that gets a laugh out of the audience for whatever reason, like his homoerotic like, you know, insecure male audience likes it when he talks about John Houston's ass and so he just goes with that. That's my take on it, I think.

It is interesting though because he'll call out the media for like catching him in a lot of things, you know what I mean, or criticizing him for a lot of things. But like, yeah, I think you're right, Terrence. I think either, you know,

it's towards the end of the day, you know, and like his mind is seeping, you know, out of the, you know, It's just is a consciousness or whatever or cognizance. Cognizance is seeping out, you know, through his sundowning. But also, too, like, maybe he just doesn't care. You know what I mean? It's just odd because Trump is a guy who, like, watches the news.

And I mean, he just like, you know, a couple weeks ago had banned all these news outlets from, like, coming to the White House, you know, for a bunch of different offenses. But hasn't said anything yet about them, like, pointing out to these homerotic tendencies. I see it. It's weird. The way I see it is, I see it as another manifestation of his complete, like, checked-outedness. Like, complete, like, senioritis, mailing it in,

doesn't give a flying fuck. Does that make sense? He's just playing what gets the laughs. Yeah, because he doesn't give a fuck. Like, they don't. He's also tapped into something in the Chud Saki, though, that I noticed probably 15 years ago. When I was running Summit City and Weisberg,

this little venue, you would have the chuds of Watsberg always come to the drag shows and they would stand in the back and act like they were there laughing at the spectacle of it but really really they were laundering their curiosity

through the lens of oh I'm just here for this isn't this wild and crazy you know what I mean but so many of those drag performers would talk about like the you know these like seemingly straight chud guys that would show up to that asking them to like fucking drag

and stuff like that like after they're like oh yeah this guy d'i and me ask it da da da da da i'm i'm standing at the back of like you know uh the drag show shaking my head to let everyone else know that i disagree with this well not even that not even that so much it's just like uh-huh isn't that look that's crazy you got a fat ass though yeah like the novelty of it is that what you're saying well i think that trump just kind of knows there is like this like sort of strange and homerotic tendency in the chud possible. Right, right, right.

And not a small, and not a small percentage of his audience, you know. Maybe it's a little bit, a little bit, I don't know, overstated to say this, but it just, it feels like projection, you know. I mean, you said this before, you know, it feels like a little bit of projection. Because if you're like, if you're like the super masculine, Chud, red-blooded American male, like, how do you sit in the audience? And like, are they genuinely laughing at that? or are they laughing uncomfortably at themselves, you know,

because they also have these tendencies, you know what I mean? Or we could just be over analyzing it. It could just be as simple as like... Trump is gay as hell? Yeah. Wait, sorry, touch me. Or the audience likes the fact that it's sort of like a stand-up routine and they like the transgression of Trump himself.

pointing out how hot dudes are and it's just the kind of it's the novelty of it in general maybe it's in our case it's like the king also doubles as the court jest it's a one-stop shop you know we've covered this topic a lot lately the the maha movement

but I read this article I didn't even get to finish reading it because it came across my desk about 10 minutes before we started recording and so I was trying to cram reading it and I got like maybe halfway through it and I was like yeah we got to read this

it kind of sums up like the complete psychedelic experience of modern life and I read this on the same day that I read this article in the New York magazine about millennial parents who have to essentially curate in watchdog

their boomer parents social media feeds because, you know, boomers are, you know, as they get older, and they're more isolated and lonely, and they're more shut in, but they've got fixed, you know, on fixed income. All they really have access to, to kind of ameliorate that loneliness is the iPad and the screen.

And so more shit to poison, they're already deteriorating brains. Exactly. And this New York Magazine article, which is not the one we'll be reading today, but which I do think is a, a nice little compliment to this near times article. Was this about like how bad the AI slop problem is among boomers?

And I know we've talked about this on the show a lot, but like, Jin Zingers are not the ones consuming AI slop. Millennials aren't the ones consuming AI slop. This is really, I genuinely think, more of a Gen X and Boomer issue. It's like basically like 55 and older, maybe 50 and older, maybe that might be the cut off. like that there are exceptions of course but i think generally speaking AI is mostly for um the elderly for the what tom said the elderly and those approach people's the people's

whose brains perhaps already look like some hallucinated AI image well yes yeah like those who may have six fingers now i mean they just look at that stuff and that's like well i can't tell the difference because that's how i perceive the world well my my take on it is that the boomers and gen Xers grew up in a time when they could still generally trust most American institutions and as a result

they don't really have that healthy level of like suspicion and skepticism and paranoia that millennials have because in Gen Z ears because all institutions have failed us and so we don't really have you know our filter for bullshit at that kind of

level on the screen scammers scammers aren't targeting people under 50. Yes, exactly. I mean, I feel like if you could read an FAQ frequently asked questions on any message board formed Reddit thread, you're probably not going to be fooled by AI. Yeah. Now, but as a way to segue into this article that I want to read, there are people under the age of 50 who are being scammed. It's just that like to do it, you have to do it in a much different way. You have to speak a much different language. You have to hit a certain language. You have to hit a

certain constellation of buzzwords and concepts that, like, activate the, um, a mindset that is cross-generational. It's not just specific to boomers and, uh, Gen Xers. I think what I'm, if, if, if AI, if the AI slot problem is kind of cordoned off and, and, and isolated to boomers with a lot of Gen Xers, then what I'm going to be reading today is a problem that I think is endemic in a big portion of Gen Xers, a pretty big portion of millennials. Gen Z, I don't know. It's really too hard for me to say. But what I'm going to be reading about is the world of dark nutrition, raw meat.

Yeah, like the raw meat, fad diets, these type of things, right? I like that that's posed as like, I like the term dark recently. especially when we talk about like what is it the dark internet or like um what are figures like um um god uh jordan uh peterson what are what are those movements called what were they called again the dark web dark and light yeah intellectual intellectual intellectual intellectual dark web yeah yeah that's what i was going to kind of say yeah yeah i just like how um like it just seems like nutrition shouldn't be like you know like that shouldn't have the clarifier dark before it. because I'm just thinking like what are you talking about like we're eating like we did in the dark ages, you know?

Like what is what is that entail? I'm curious about that. Well, it's interesting to you tee it up as like a scam because I haven't really thought about that, but that's exactly what it is. Like slapping protein and everything and calling it health food and eating like a Neanderthal or something like that or like a proto human. Okay. It's weird. Part of it is scammy. Part of it is culty, which is also a scam, but I think you have true believers in it.

And, yeah, I forgot about the dark enlightenment and the intellectual dark web. I think what is meant. Dark enlightenment, by the way, what the fuck? Okay, sorry. Dark enlightenment would be like Nick Land and, um, as the Wikipedia page actually says for dark enlightenment, uh, J.D. Vance is a practitioner of the darkenlightness. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like, he's like the Sith Lord. That's the, uh, what's that, what's that dude's name from the phantom?

minutes. What's the? Darth Mall. Darth Mall. He's a Darth Mall. Darth, more like Darth. Garth Gall? Gall.

Paul, the most Midwestern name possible. Darth Paul. Darth Paul. Just the most run of the mill. No disrespect to the Pauls out there. I'm a Tom, so I ain't got no room to Tom. No, that's a P-A-L-L-L-L-M. maybe. Like he's, there's a Paul.

Casting a Paul. Okay. Darth Paul. Okay. Okay. I like that. Um, I think what is meant by dark, though, appendaging it to that, uh, uh, word like nutrition, dark nutrition. What's meant by it is an alternative framework, okay? Oh, okay.

And I think that like, that's the world we needed. A downward alternative, a downward alternative framework, perhaps, right? Downward in what sense? Downward, I guess, in like, um, um, these aren't actually things that are like, you know, scientifically sourced or like even empirically sourced, but they sort of have this, I mean, they have this tinge of overt sort of implication with like right wing all right politics, you know. Yeah, there is an alter. Yes, that's, I think that's very accurate, Aaron. I think that like, it doesn't, in its current formulation, I think it's very right wing. I don't think that like there's anything necessarily. right wing about certain like frameworks for nutrition. For example, like for the longest time, alternative nutrition, like granola stuff was more

left wing, right? Like it was more, it's not something that is inherently one thing or the other. But the reason I single it out and the reason, because there's a big New York Times article about it, obviously, which I'm going to read, which is completely psychedelic. which is completely off the wall insane, like the amount of characters and events like, I'm reading UBIC right now by Philip K. Dick, and it's just really,

what was really kind of like astonishing to me, and I've said this multiple times of the past week, but like Philip K. Dick, even in his most, like, cynical, dystopian views of the future, like, genuinely, like, it is downright optimistic when you read Philip K. Dick. Like, what we now live, the world we now live in is so,

beyond the pale. It is so whacked out and you know drug-fueled and schizoid and just completely all over the place. And these are coming from a drug-addled psychedelic man who was constantly a psychedelic writing the darkest shit ever and

now seems quaint compared to what we live in now. Yes. A man who slipped into psychosis probably on every third Saturday of the month. While writing a novel. It was maybe schizophrenic, right? It's been speculated. I don't know if it's ever been proven,

but he definitely was psychotic a few times. But genuinely, like, I, the reason I bring this up, though, about this whole dark nutrition thing is because I don't, it's not just relegated to food. I think that this stems out of, I think that this is kind of like a side quest or side a subroute out of the larger epistemological crisis around modern medicine and science. I mean, like, I've, a name dropped it on a recent episode.

I don't think we went up using the episode, but I've been reading this book called the rise and fall of modern medicine by this guy who is a British doctor who has very interesting views. I think he actually is conservative and is very critical of the NHS in Great Britain. But like his critiques of modern medicine go beyond just like the problem is we've subjected it to the profit motive. Like he also critiques like randomized clinical trials and like our reliance on statistics over clinical experience and all these other, you know, factors that went into creating

the modern medical paradigm. And I think that like over time, if you combine all of that, like many of the sins committed in early modern medicine with the profit motive. Like you've had a wholesale just bottoming out of any faith in a scientific consensus. And something I told to Tom recently when he was over here one night was that like I've experienced this with COVID. Like something really frustrating to me about COVID is that you cannot have a conversation about COVID anymore.

Like, no one wants to talk about it, first of all, because it's very fraught. But every time you do get into somebody who is very eager to talk about it, whether it's on right, left, whatever spin to the spectrum, it is invariably always going to result in them throwing tons and tons of stats at you, studies, information to the point where you feel overwhelmed and you don't even really know what to do. Right. And it's not like you can look it up, even if you did in real time, try to look in it would defeat the purpose to even try they would only entrench themselves in their own

sort of viewpoint right exactly which is in itself a kind of an indictment of the modern internet all these things are wrapped up in in one another but i was reading this story though and and it's just like like again like reading it on the tell end of this story about like boomers being like glued to their um iPads for 20 hours a day and driving themselves insane with like videos of AI Al Roker and like buying supplements that actually like slowly kill them. Isn't that the weather black weatherman guy? Okay, but these people know. Al Roker once lost 100 pounds eating nothing but oranges.

So I, you know, he's a statistic here too. He was on the other Olympic? Yeah, the other, the OJ's. The original. The original. Yeah. But I just want to say like, okay, like, I know we should get. get to the article, Terrance, but this is so amazing to me because these are people who

have lived longer than I have. So you would think that in the repository, the cultural repository of their minds, the cultural memories that they have, that you wouldn't be fooled by the weather, the kind black weather man trying to sell you like alternative GNC shit. Like, I don't understand, like, does logic or memory just go out the window with that? Have their minds truly been that, like, desiccated, you know? I think it's, um, uh, I think it's, I think it's, the fact that it's meta doing it. Meta projects to take in $16 billion in profits this year on a business model that is literally no different from that guy. Remember that guy in East Kentucky, Tom, who was driving around telling old shut-ins that he had Steve Harvey back in his car.

$50 like he made it. That's one of the best hustles I ever heard of, frankly. Well, Tom, you and I, I remember that episode, I think you and I were talking about we should drive around and say that like I'm Chris Rock or something like that. You got Chris Rock in the car. And he'll come actually even funnier for like a hefty black dude. And I come out instead. And they're like, well, and also like if your shitty kids never visit you and you don't have like a robust like sort of social network.

You know what I mean? Like you suspend belief about the improbability of stuff. You know what I mean? So like you can kind of convince yourself like, yeah, maybe they do have Steve Harvey in here and he's doing door to door meet and greets for $50. fucking Vico Contestant. I feel like at that point I figured like Steve Hardy

becomes like a cryptid, you know what I mean, that you might see driving through Lexington, you know, it's like seeing a chupacobra perhaps for them. Yeah.

Like, fuck. I just, I just like, it's an example of how to me, it kind of goes in line with something,

another thing we've been talking about, which is the rise of these, almost sort of like boutique medicine websites or boutique medical like you can just... Like Ro and Hems and that shit. Yeah, exactly.

Like you can go online and because it's an existing company online, you give it your faith and trust and credence. And that is not just the case with major companies like META or Hems, but also just with like an online influencer that you see that has like maybe 50,000 likes on your video. Like I think that the internet has imbued a lot of it is I don't know how to put it it by virtue of it's very by the virtue of the fact that

there is a screen and people can talk into the screen hypnotically and convince you of something you can be very easily convinced that it's like legitimacy to things that otherwise in a different time period yes you would need like soothsayers and doom sails and like like like you know what I'm saying it's like fucking chiefted to tell you this shit the computer is the chieftain brother you know the computer is the chieftain we we live really in Philip K. Dick if it was written by Dave Foster Wallace. Like genuinely

it is it is this we're obsessed with the screens we're obsessed with ourselves we're obsessed with like what you consume is who you are sort of thing like the infinite just kind of like mode

Yes and in that sense in that sense Aaron this story can also be filed under another trilbilly tab which is we all want to become animals we all wish desperately to be feral to the kid

Russell Alton states yes yeah okay so um so all right I'll go ahead and reserve you in this

I'm sorry for the preamble it's just it's just something that like has been on my mind we gotta set the stage yeah yeah um the proponents of dark nutrition

think everything you know about food is wrong most more rejections more Americans are rejecting everything they've been taught about food so Kelly Pie PI

like the number I thought you were like the sweet dessert, like the tasty dessert. I was like, that's Kelly Pie, Ken, porn. Who are these guys? 3.1, 245 repeating, you know what I mean. The number you had to memorize an algorithm. Some shit E. Lotta would name his kid.

Yeah. His 17th neglected child. That's a moniker, by the way. It's not a real name. Kelly Pie pulled a container of buffalo brains out of her bag and removed the top to show me the meat, which set in a pool of red liquid. She pointed to a fragment of black amid the pinks and whites of the tissue.

Look, you can see a little bit of the skull. The brain slithered as she pulled it from its container and held it up for me to admire. Then, as though it were a juicy apple. Wait, hold up. I'm sorry. I'm just having to process that for a minute. I'm sorry.

Also, very visceral description. Go ahead. That made me kind of my stomach turned a little bit. Okay, go ahead. Then, as though it were a juicy. see apple, she took a bite of the raw meat. Mmm, she said, this is so good. It was August

and we were standing in the parking lot of an Amish farm in southeastern Pennsylvania. Kelly, a 30-year-old electrical engineer who lives in the suburbs of Philly, drives her Honda accord at the Amish country a few times a month together a supply of hormone-free, vaccine-free, corn-free, soy-free, meat, and dairy. She has long hair, a wide smile,

and a bubbly energy that came out in force as we surveyed the walking in fridge at Amos Miller. Bubling white woman eating cow brains is like my nightmare, dude. I do want to say, I do want to say that just because something is, you know, seed oil free and soy free and non-GMO does not mean it is prion free or, you know. Is you worried about bad, oh, I guess buffaloes are not cows, but bovine mad cow disease? Like, I don't know that.

This article will get into prions. in just a minute. I don't know what prions are. What are prions, Tom? I think I just know a prion disease, I think, is something you get from, it either affects the brain or it's something you get from eating neural tissue

of an infected. Pryons are... Like mad cow disease would be a prion disease, right? Well, prions are apparently misfolded proteins that act as infectious agents, but this is also an AI overview from Google, So, I mean, misfolded protein. That's what Wikipedia says, too.

Okay, misfolded protein. Leading to cellular death. So a secret third thing, not a virus, not a bacteria. So she's eating something, she's eating, like, possibly something that contains these proteins that lead to cellular death, which doesn't sound very good. Yeah. They have testicles, she exclaimed. She wore a long... They certainly do.

She wore a long patterned dress and filled her cart quickly with pounds and pounds of beef, yellowish colostrum, three types of raw milk ice cream, Kiefer Water, and of course, Buffalo Brain, which she was excited to try because she normally ate beef. Why are these people eating like hyenas? That's like a hyena diet, dude. Oh, man, you know what's really crazy? I don't know if this is a case for Twitter or Facebook,

but Instagram owned by Meta is the website. that will try to make you completely schizoid insane. And by that I mean, dude, the shit you see on there, like telling you can give your baby raw meat and stuff, like raw chicken. You know, like the shit, like, dude, it is really, it is genuinely geared to try to make everyone crack mentally. People don't even feed their dogs raw chicken.

They usually like cook it. Like, why would you feed your dogs? your child that, okay. But like you said, it's meant to turn everyone insane. I feel like it's also meant to, it's meant to reject any sort of like, like maternal, paternal, like childbearing, like human survival instincts

that we developed over hundreds of thousands of years, rather, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Setting the clock back is what it is, you know? Well, and I think that like, from what I understand it, our understanding of like nutrition is, dude, you might as well be fucking shooting an arrow in the goddamn dark.

Like, we don't know anything about fucking nutrition, right? Like, it's almost, like, on a case-to-case basis. Like, it's so varied. It's hard to even make any, like, generally, I mean, granted, there are some things that, like, are pretty generally accepted, like, the Mediterranean diet's good for, like, heart health, and, you need a certain amount of fiber and all this other stuff. Right, but, like, there's diets that promote certain health outcomes, but that's that's still like not a foregone conclusion.

It's just you're just trying to, you know, sort of game your genetic risk of stuff by, you know, maximizing another factor, eating like real food or whatever. It's kind of like where it's kind of like I would consider nutrition, kind of like what hand washing was when it first came out. Nobody really knew why that would work. It was just kind of a hunch that if you applied a soap agent to your hands and rubbed it together and set it underwater,

like maybe that would like, you know, wash some germs away. And it turned out to be correct. And so that's why I think like when somebody says something like you should eat like mostly like whole foods, like, you know, meat, veggies, grain starches, things we've been eating for a long time. That's like generally good advice, but it's not like, you know, gospel necessary. One could sum up that basically the totality of human history from ancient prehistoric times

to modernity is trial. error about what to eat and consume and what not to. You know what I mean? Because like back then when we were like, you know, tribal animals, you know, like, I mean, how many motherfuckers had to die by eating one specific fruit or berry or root for people to realize in that tribe that, okay, that's bad. We can't eat that. You know what I mean?

And now we went completely reversed where with this abundance of information with the internet and social media and misinformation that we've reverted back to like, okay, we can't even have trial and error. You just have like the dumbest motherfuckers with the biggest platforms telling people to eat like, you know, like, or take Ivermectin, for example,

or something like that, you know what I mean? It is a bizarre contradiction. The contradiction is this. There is a widespread suspicion of modernity. However, that suspicion is created by and fed by and then sublimated back into the internet. You know what I mean?

Like it's Which that's the kind of contradiction. It's this suspicion with modernity that needs modernity To continue to be perpetuated. Right, right. It's very strange. That's a good way to put it in. The core principle of Kelly's diet, Kelly Pie,

which is based on the raw primal diet developed by the alternative nutritionist on Jonas von der Leyenst. Do you know that name? I think it sound primal. That's a primal. Is this a Dutchman? He's actually an American who fucking changed his name to some Eastern thing. His first name sounds like primal gutter or utterance from a proto-human, but okay.

Say that name again. A Jonas von der Plenets? That's not Eastern at all. That's a sound that the Neanderthal makes when he hits the club over your head. That's Aaron too close to. Dutch for my taste. At 22, he began to promote himself as a nutritionist because he disliked his name.

He accepted a new one and took his European ancestor's last name. So he was a skeptic of the flu vaccine, and in the late 2000s was a anti-vaxxer about the flu vaccine. Well, now he tells me, I just got my flu shot this morning. he thought that he thought he made a claim that someone had tried to kill him because of his speaking out of truth on the flu vaccine but dude i don't know man this gets out a thing and we talked about this ad nauseum during the pandemic but like you could you can't really i mean i obviously am a proponent of vaccines at the same time you can't really blame people for being distrustful of the entire big farm

Marma paradigm. I mean, dude, and especially because, and something that really annoyed me at the time, and it still annoys me, is people being very glib and just dismissive of MRNA technology, which I think is harmless probably, like, there's probably nothing wrong with it. But it is kind of, it is kind of, those people traffic in the same scientific circles as, like, gene therapists and people who want to make, like, embryo babies and stuff. There's something there that I think triggers. a lot of people's suspicion and anxiety and worry that I think that a lot of liberals were just

very dismissive of. I don't know what you do with that, though. Don't ask me what you actually do with that because... Maybe what you do is like, you know, these people who say believe in the science, you know, like these liberals love to say, it's like, well, I mean, like, if people are interfacing with a health care system that has never really done anything for them and they only feel like it's meant to emiserate their lives and make them actually more unhealthy and prolong their suffering, then it makes sense to me that there would be a subset of the population that would be wary, right, of these health technologies in the hands of this industry and, you know, this paradigm that we live under, you know?

Oh, yeah. Shout out Luigi Manjona, for example. Yeah, 100%. Yeah, exactly. I was just thinking about it. That is a name straight out of pension, by the way, on Jonas Fonderplanets. I don't care for it. I'll be honest with it.

I don't care for it, not one damn bad. It's the raw, he came up with the raw plop primal diet. It's the core principle of Kelly Pye's diet, which is this. No cooking anything. She eats mostly meat with an emphasis on organ meat. She eats fruit but not vegetables. She's all in on raw and pasteurized dairy. A meal might consist of raw beef liver, raw egg yolks, and bee pollen.

Dog, raw meat, I don't think we just went of her. turn to being animals, I think we wouldn't become zombies. Like, she's eating fucking buffalo brains. I just want to say, I just want to say, I just want to say, I just want to say, like, again, like, you know, this is, like, the origin of, like, Ebola virus and stuff like that. I mean, like, these are real enough concerns with, like, eating neural tissue of animals. And what, what, weren't these people, like, upset about the fact that COVID came from, like, these wet meat, like, fucking, like, you know, like, um, bizarre.

or whatever like that and China and shit like that you know what I mean where they were selling like supposedly like bat beat and all sorts of game beat but they're like I mean I don't know man but I guess when you Americanize it it's fine you know I guess it's okay wait yeah basically you're talking about like a wet market right yeah wet market wet market yes exactly yeah yeah and that's exactly what you're doing you're doing the same thing but you're just making it American actually I would even say you're doing the same thing it's actively probably worse you know like in blood meridian like how they like go through these like fucking like

wasteland moonscape towns in the west and it's just like there's curtains of raw meat like hanging from these bizarre shops covered in like a blanket of flies and and maggots and stuff like that's just like that's like oh let me get that one

let me get that one there that's the world we're going back and the butcher had to swat off the flies and maggots and brush it off like a terry cloth carve around the maggots and the like whatever slime is coming off of it.

Sometimes Kelly Pie forges for a fresh roadkill and eats it raw. You can wash her... A little bit of RFK inspiration right there. If it sounds like, because I try to approach all this from

a scientific point of view, right? I try to approach this like on Freud, okay? You're a patient, you come into my office and you're like, I love to eat raw meat. I'm not going to judge you. I need to understand why. Like, where is this coming from?

Like, this is, this has a basis in the same way that hysteria was once a mysterious psychological, you know, pathology. It's like, we need to understand where it comes from. Okay. So, like, I'm not, I want to make it clear. Like, I'm not, like, laughing at these people necessarily. I'm a bit disgusted, but sure. Well, because I, too am implicated in the psychedelic, paranoid. schizoid

tapestry, the Hieronymus Boschian tapestry known as modern capitalists. I'll be to fall a chicken wig off the ground

before. So you know what I mean? I would my judgment was cooked though. The five second rule was a whole different thing.

No, dog, it was like 30 seconds before I realized it was at my feet. This is more like the five

week rule. Yeah, I was like, oh, there's a chicken wing by my bed. Yeah, I mean,

I dated a person briefly that left a meal, like take-on meal from a restaurant in the trunk of her car for a week and then ate it after that. So, and that was the beginning of the end. But I'm also a hypochondract. So you see how that would like, that was like press all my neuroses. You know what I mean? You do some things out of like the desperation of poverty, you know, that wasn't this. That was not this. I mean, who is, who is, who amongst us has not had like a three week to three month old gay rate ball in their car?

and got in when they were especially parched, you know what I'm saying, in the cup holder and said, yo, I can drink this still, right? And I drank it, I guess I have. I just find it fascinating that the longest, for the longest time, like the modern health crisis you would hear about nutrition in America was that too many people are eating out.

Too many people are eating fast food. And now it's like fast food is preferable to just eating roadkill, right? Like I would... Well, I mean, that is fast food, I guess. Technically, that's a day. That's the fast food, brother. of foods.

That shit is freshly dead. You can't get any more fast. Maybe not. You hit a deer. Maybe, I don't know though. Man, deer is, the tick problem is so bad and the infectious disease. I don't even know if that's safe. Also too late.

It's certainly not. Rabbits, hair fever? Like rabbits carry like, like a, like, there's a lot of zoonotic, zoonotic things that we should never be exposed to with just a little bit of common sense that, like, I feel like these people could be, like, introduced into the circulation. Maybe. how COVID started. It wasn't a bioweapon and it didn't start in a wet market

in China. It was just because of an Instagram influencer who was eating raw meat in like Delaware. Bad Bax digger eating like road We'll sadly we'll only know that by and by but it's hell of a thing.

What if you did? What if you're like weird obsession with like eating like a like a turkey vulture led to killing millions of people the world else. Let's say that you say that top real quick because they have, their bodies are designed, their stomachs are designed

to eat carrying. You know what I mean? Actually, I'll even say that they won't even eat things that are like deadly like, like, like that are fresh like that. You know, they're way to actually, no, no, rather, they won't eat things that are too dead, rather. You know what I'm saying? They have more standards than we do. Yeah, they have

the turkey vulture, I'm talking about, I'm Kettling over my house has more standards than this woman, you apparently. People think my diet is extreme, she said, but they're eating processed food and drinking alcohol and basically poisoning themselves. I would argue that's extreme. Well, okay. I mean, that's a fair point. That's a fair point. You're over-correcting, but I think that's a fair point. Well, but that's the thing. We live in the age of over-correction. We've said it before, but we live in the age of over-correction. Like, that's just the order of the day. Everything. Which once again is hinting back to Ken Russell's altered state,

you know what I'm saying? Motherfucking, you're trying to go too far back perhaps, you know. It's the same reason why, oh, you're a NIMBY? Well, I'm a Yimby. Well, it's like, well, what about just a MIMBY? Just like maybe sometimes. Maybe in my back yard. Simby.

Yeah. It was neither the first time or last time I would hear this argument. I spent much of spring and summer talking to people who, like Kelly, were experimenting at the. fringes of nutrition following all sorts of unusual diets. Some avoided specific vitamins or disavowed seed oils or believed that vegetables were unhealthy. Some swore by organ meats, some by cane sugar, some snacked on raw chicken or took large doses of supplement. However weird their diet seemed, they told me, the standard American diet, filled as it was with pesticides and preservatives, dies and junk, was weirder.

So what do you all think about that? Is that a fair assessment? it. I mean, like I mentioned earlier, man, like now when you mention it with pesticides and, you know, these supplements and all these things that are definitely unhealthy for you, but being marketed as like the, you know, the, what is it, not the zenith, I guess. It'd be the zenith, I guess, not in a deer. I was going to say in a deer, that's the opposite. But like the zenith of what health is, right? And you're being told by these companies that these things are good for you. But, I mean, like, I guess it's not a far stretch for some people to say, hey, you know what? I'm going to eat the purest thing that I can. You know, like instead of doing like crack cocaine, you would just want the uncut raw shit. And they're just, I'm going to go back to the source. Yeah. Who knows the processes in between from, you know, from slaughter to, you know, mass meat, you know, production. This mass was slaughtered to like my buying it and in like, you know, the publics or something like that.

Who knows what intermediate steps have been taken to poison me? Why not just the shit got hit by a car? So off the side of the road. There's nothing more natural than that, I guess. Here's kind of where I'm getting off the rails with this, though. I don't come from an elitist society. You know, like when I was growing up, everybody would always, you know, the thing old-timers would do would be like, have you ever eat rattlesnake? You ever eat this?

You ever eat that? Squirrel. Squirrel, all this stuff. I don't know. Squirrel. We don't really like eat just like normally. You know what I mean? So that's one thing.

But here's my question. What's their beef with the flame? That's also an old technology that if you're going to go back to the diet, Well, the caveman had the flame. You know what I mean? My beef is not so much with the weird organ meats. It's that why won't you just cook them? So once again, proto-humans.

Like, even before we used fire, you know what I'm saying? It's like the guy. And again, I keep referencing. You see what I'm saying, though? It's like, you ought to go back to proto-human. But like, go back to the technologies. They had fire. You know what I mean?

Yeah, but technically, I guess those, did it humans develop fire? Deandoth? I mean, like, aliens gave it to his bro. Prometheus. Prometheus gave his fire. That's true. I guess that's true.

But, like, I just, why not cook it? There's something kind of beautiful about, like, not one of wasting an animal or honoring an animal. It's kind of shamanic in a way. Just cook it. That's a great point. That's a great point. Because you're right.

They're factory farming, you know, one of the most immoral, disgusting parts of capital. capitalism. Even just our modern agricultural system and paradigm is completely juiced up with over-fertilized soils and other aphid killers and bug killers and

stuff, like all that stuff. That's all fair to critique. And you're right, Tom. Like, there's nothing wrong with sourcing your own meat or whatever. But why not just fucking cooking? This fires the original technology, dog. Like, you can't get any more pure than cooking something over a fire. I don't know if they'll address it in this.

If I had to take a stab at it, I think in their minds maybe they get some sort of visceral, literally, literally visceral, libidinal pleasure. Kind of roush out of it. What's that, Tom?

It's kind of like, yeah, it's like, there's like a halit-the-moon quality to eating at rock or something. You know what I mean? That's very base. Like, again, that's seen, man, when Ultras-States, the guy runs around and night as a proto human and escape goes into a zoo, breaks into a zoo and is eating like a fucking gazelle or something like that.

And the look on his face is so satisfying. That's what I think of when I think of these people, you know? Well, okay, I'll just keep reading here then. When I first started thinking about these people, I mean, this is a pretty well-written article. Oh, I know this writer. She used to write for the baffler, Sophie Haney. hopefully I pronounced her last name right but yeah I sort of

we follow each other on Twitter anyways but so this is a pretty well written article like I said that she kind of like goes into like the psychedelic underworld of this when I first started thinking about these people I'd just turned 31 I ate in a way that I considered normal and at least loosely healthful cooked at home

focused on vegetables blah blah as my friends and I made our way into our 30s I noticed people starting to pay more attention to health and wellness adopting various diets and protocols. There seem to be an infinite supply of options circulating online. So we now come to the concept of dark nutrition. When I described my fascination with the more outlandish ones to a friend,

she forwarded me a PDF of Ray Pete's nutrition for women, an esoteric book whose principles are echoed by today's diet influencers. What did you say his name was, Ray Pete? Ray Pete. Okay, I heard something completely. Like Pete Moss. Okay. Former quarterback of the Philadelphia Eagles.

Yeah, that's it. As Rodney Pete. So dark nutrition. Dark nutrition wasn't a specific diet. It was a style of thinking about food and health. Its adherence had concluded that the usual sources of authority, doctors, public health officials, food executives, pharmaceutical corporations could not be trusted.

The old order that told us to eat our vegetables was discarded. New ideas emerged via podcast and Instagram accounts and message boards to fill the void. These perspectives didn't all fit together. There were arguments over low fat versus high fat, low carb versus high sugar, Silicon Valley biohacking versus strains of neuropathy or, I'm sorry, naturopathy that approached mysticism. Still, these realms collided and overlapped. The raw milk guys and homesteading girls are watching each other's rills now, says

Sammy Rice, who writes a popular newsletter about nutrition and wellness. The world's reunited by a tendency to ask. contrarian questions, many stemming from a central principle. Most of what you think you know about is about food is wrong. I'm not a lot of you. There's nothing more contrarian than growing up for almost as a kid in your entire, like as a kid in your childhood and being told to eat your vegetables. And now you're like, you know what?

My fucking mom, my parents lied to me. They're not good for you. You've hit at it. Yeah, it's that. It's that, yeah, it's just a little, it's a little rebellion. Like dating a pastor's daughter, you know. Nutritional Rebellion. and indeed, that's what it is.

You know, maybe, because something that's really like perplexed me recently, and mostly is kind of personal. I lost two friends to colon cancer. Like, the rising colon cancer. And I guess this could be part of it. Like, people aren't eating as many vegetables as they should be. I don't know, though. I mean, the rising colon cancer.

cancer, I think, starts maybe in the 90s, 2000s. You know, it predates COVID. People were, a lot of people were like, oh, when are we going to acknowledge it's COVID? COVID did not cause the increase in colon cancer. It's been going on for a while. It could be the protein craze that everyone's freaked out or, you know, fixated on. But I think it also predates that too. And you could even make the argument.

Dude, people's diets 80 years ago were very different. Steak was the most popular protein source. Beef, beef and steak and red meat was the most popular protein source in America. Up until like the 1970s and then chicken starts to become more popular, I think, in the 80s and 90s. Wasn't there also something at the end of, like an afterword, at the end of Upton Sinclair's The Jungle, where it talked about how we started feeding like cattle, then livestock, like completely different things than they would normally eat, like, you know, if they were grass fed or something like that.

Probably. I think it was wheat or something like that, you know, in order to fatten them up and that's kind of unnatural to what their bodies would readily consume. But again, these are domesticated animals. So, but domesticated within the 20, domesticated, like, we're talking about domestication, I guess, in the 20th century, right, in different ways of facilitating the industrialization of, like, you know, livestock and mass slaughter, you know what I mean? And fattening them up, essentially, you know,

so I don't know. Did we have completely disfigured and deformed the natural world in every way? I mean, like, is it any wonder that we have this overriding anxiety about our own bodies and about the human form? Whether it manifests in AI or whether it manifests in this, which I do think are two flip sides of the same coin, like, there is a very discernible, like, anti-human body strain in American culture right now. Do you guys agree? I 100% I think that agrees So like even the way we just like you said treat the natural world

But especially like the things that we eat If you do eat meat you know Like treating these things is secondary Like first of all to like you know Themselves as living organisms But even even as something that could be nutritious to human beings right It's more important for them to be as fat as possible And to reap profits instead of for people actually be healthy

And for this animal for as long as it lives I mean if you don't eat meat I can totally understand But for this thing to live a life of Some with dignity, you know what I mean? Part of this is on the French. Part of this is on the French. Like, who was the first monster that thought to, like, put a goose in a cage and fatten it up

till its liver becomes... What's that? Foie gras. Fogwa? Fogua. Yeah. They love that shit. Yeah, that's sick.

I actually don't know if they love it. I don't know. It probably tastes good. It probably tastes good. It's probably like non-mothers eat it, but it just sounds so grotesque that it's, you know, It really does. Cast a long shadow.

It really does. What if broccoli is toxic? What if red meat and butter are actually really good for you? What if the human... What if broccoli is toxic? It is a brassica. That's why I still hate broccoli, bro. It will make your farts kind of stinky.

Maybe that's what it is. People are like, oh man, no. It gives me gas. It gives me vulgar flatulence. Well, what's the thing that... What's the compound that all these influencers talk about being in Brock? Is it oxalids? Oh.

And they say like oxalids cause kidney stones and they inhibit absorption of certain minerals and vitamins and stuff like that. Oxalids. But it's like, bro, you know what also probably causes kidney stones? It's like the like 20 pounds of phosphoric acid we dump. Phosphorus additives we just dump in our gut all the time. Well, there's also. Leafy greens.

Go ahead. Go ahead, Tern, sorry. compound sulforaphane an is isisocyanite phytochemical known for its

antioxidant and anti-flammatory properties in broccoli so there is like a crunchy hippie for every bad chemical you can find in broccoli

you can actually find another crunchy hippie countervailing force it's just like life I don't I mean it's I

I I don't even know how far back broccoli eating goes You can go You can go in all kinds of different directions with this Like how What is broccoli? When did we start eating it? Where does it come from, man?

Yeah You're like, These little trees look like they taste good Well, yeah, I mean, but for something that's considered Like the avatar of healthy food Like eat your broccoli, you know what I mean? We know precious little about it. Sorry, I didn't have my mic on

but laughing at Aaron being like, let's eat these little trees. I mean, we're like, oh, the trees grow, they look healthy. These things must be good for us. I don't know. I'm not going to like broccoli. I'll be honest with you. Broccoli became popular in the U.S. during the 1920s, driven by southern Italian immigrants who began planting and commercially cultivating it.

It goes all the way back to ancient Rome. The ancient Romans ate broccoli. I can't do it in Italian accent. Oh, that's probably why broccoli has like a sounds Italian. When you think, wouldn't you think, though that these return the return guys would want to go back to ancient Rome

eat your fucking broccoli bin yeah exactly exactly get into pagan worship you know yeah what if red meat and butter actually really good for you what if the human body is built not only to handle raw road kill but to thrive on it I'm gonna go out on a

limb and say that's probably not true but also Also, I think this shows you, I think this connects not just back to nutritional health, but like, you know, health in general. Because we know so little about our bodies based on what we've been told. And some things are unojectively true. Like the human body is, you're not meant to process raw meat. You know what I mean?

Like, it's just your stomach isn't meant to do it. You're not like a straight up carnivore, like a dog or a cat, you know. But we know so little about our bodies. people are just like, all right, man, even if this makes me feel ill, it must be working, you know, you know. Part of that's on capital, right? Like, we just work all the time and we're kind of taught to sort of ignore the warning signs from our body.

Like, we just think it's normal to yawn all day and be kind of tired all the time. And we think it's normal to just kind of like walk around with hip pain and whatever else is going on with you. But we're taught to kind of cast that aside unless we'd be thought of as lazy and not like good workers or whatever, you know, like there's like a sort of a sacrifice. element to it all. The other thing I would add to this whole sort of roadkill thing is this. You go through many seasons in life, okay?

There was a time I was really into the band Savage Garden, okay? I look back on that time as a little goofy, you know what I mean? And I would say to our friend that eats the dead raccoon that eats the carry, the cairn, as we'd say, in Easter Kentucky. Kearn. The charn. Is, is, do you really want to look back and be the, the Kearn person? Like, you know, once things kind of level out a little bit, if they do, it's still an open quote.

The fad, you mean, once the fad kind of goes away? Yeah, yeah, yeah, because these fads come and go. Do you really want to, like, go out on a date and, like, have to confess to somebody that I once ate a raccoon off the side of the road? Yeah, that's true. I don't like to think about I'm the little as a niggum who wore, like, fat, farm, you know what I'm saying? You don't want to be the guy 20 years from now being like, yeah, I ain't carrying, you know. We're going to be like, you know, we talk about rabies frequently on this program.

But like, if, you know, out in the while, you eat some neural tissue of a dead raccoon or a dead skunk or something. What if we have a rabies pandemic? That's not outside the, I don't see it reach a pandemic levels, granted, but still, like, one or two people die from rabies. year but not outside the realm possibility this stuff proliferates we start seeing that number climb to about 300

you know wasn't that the plot of 28 days later or some shit I don't know I've seen that movie it's so long yeah we did talk about the fast zombies yeah you're becoming fast zombies because you're like prion filled raccoon brains off the side of the road

yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I think part of it is to blame I think part of it you can blame on modern medicine in the sense that I was talking with Gracie about this just the other day actually like there is a tendency for doctors to discount anything a patient is saying when it comes to their physical experience of a certain like pathology or something okay like what I mean by that is that when you go to the doctor the doctor is already making certain assumptions about you. One of which is that they already assume you've spent so much time on Google, Googling your

symptoms and that you are already being pointed down certain blind alleys, which is very not helpful, and which is one reason why I think we need to ban the internet and smartphones. But like, in all seriousness, even though I do believe that in all seriousness, I also think that this problem goes a little bit deeper, and the problem I'm referring to is that, like, doctors don't trust a patient to adequately describe their symptoms. And so, like, when I talk to, I think women experience this more than men, but men certainly experience it too. You go to the doctor, you tell them your symptoms, what you're experiencing, and the doctor

will kind of like look at you strange or make you feel stupid or weird for experiencing whatever you're feeling. They'll do blood tests. They'll do, maybe they'll run some sort of scan. They'll send you to all these different types of facilities. Facilities, special insurance even more. Exactly. Exactly.

And that's kind of the game. It's a big racket to get you to go to, you know, spend as much of money as possible if you're within a big system like the UK Health University, the University of Kentucky health system. How's like the NHS or? Yeah. Yeah, I was thinking of the NHS. But like they don't, I think that doctors genuinely, broadly speaking, just don't trust. patients to represent their own, um, symptoms accurately.

Because we kind of approach medicine from this angle of like, well, does it show up on a petri dish or a fucking, um, guar, you know, gone, whatever the fuck, or a blood test or, or an EKG or whatever. If it's not statistically representable by a quantifiable number, right? Then everything's wrong. Everything's fine with you, Terrence. You're too stressed. Go home.

And, and I'd experience this. recently because I was, I mean, who the fuck knows? I mean, what was going on with me. I think I just, I get really, really stressed and that affects my health in general. And then that affects my appetite, that affects my sleep, that affects my thyroid and all this other stuff. And then when, so when I go to the doctor and they can't give me any better advice than you need to stress less, which is not helpful because I need some actual plan for doing that,

then I go home and I start saying, well, like, clearly it's because I made too many seed oils and stuff. I was seed oil peeled a couple months ago. You know what I'm saying? Like you Right. You know, you know this kind of like yo it kind of reminds me two things. It reminds me of one of how I think I've mentioned this before and there are so many people that could talk more at length about this than I can but about how

like black patients who go to the doctor, especially women, their concerns aren't taken seriously and they're almost given. They're either neglected or the second point I want to make, they're given some sort of baseline, almost like, how can I put it? It's like we, we, we, we, we abhorred the idea of socialized medicine in this country, not like the majority of Americans. I think they'd be cool for like something like a single payer healthcare system or universal health care. How, I think the definitions, when you poll people, they'll kind of maybe be rejecting that or supporting it. But people

are all against socialized medicine or the industry, whatever, these politicians. But when it comes down to like treating everyone as if there's some sort of like mass macro organism, you know, and not taking into account individual lifestyles or behavior. Economics. Exactly, exactly. But it's just like, oh, no, this is what you need to do because this is what I'm going to recommend for all of my patients because it's the easiest thing that I can do,

or just because it's what I've been taught in my field and my discipline, or I'm also trying to bleed you like a stone and get as much money out of you as possible, you know? And I've seen this firsthand the way certain cultural biases are read into it. like, you know, just again, I mean, yeah, I don't know. It's just, it's just, you're exactly right, Aaron. It's something that like, the patient's like holistic experience is kind of not taken into account. And I think that that is like part of truly driven by the profit motive, partially driven by a number of other things.

but it's resulted in this widespread distrust in skepticism of the medical paradigm, of the scientific paradigm. Because you're like, well, if they can't, if they don't know what's wrong with me and I already mistrust them, then my health is in my hands alone. And it reverts back to this hyper individualism. Unfortunately, I mean, in any field industry, whatever it may be, aspect of our capitalist life, but that especially sucks. When you have to take your health into your own hands like that,

where you're driven to eating roadkill, you know? Like, that sucks, dude. Objectively, these people are silly, but that sucks that people are killing themselves by eating shit like this, man. Yeah. Okay, so just, again, let's get into the psychedelic,

Hieronymus Boschian, broigal-esque world of this. On X, an influencer, and, quote, metabolic researcher named Veronica posted her impression of a typical young woman. Yeah, I eat really healthy. Veggie, salads, nuts, and seeds.

I avoid dairy, butter, and sugar. I just don't understand. Every woman with the worst skin imaginable mega bloat and literal fungus growing in her hair. She recommended liver, oxtail broth, oysters, and Polish mineral water. Raw egg yolks are essential cottage cheese, raw yolk.

Dip for steak chunks, raw yolk. Steak tartar, obviously raw yolk. Sauce, raw yolk based. I can't say that. Raw yolk. If I say it at times. Ryo. Ryo.

Ryo. Rhy in the hair was on the same. Snack. Yeah. Snack. Crack and egg, salty oak, slurp. You should see the quality of my skin, my hair, my thoughts. Her photos attest to the quality of her skin.

Her hair. Thought. Quality of your thoughts. The Henry, the eighth diet, as she points out of here. But dude, just dipping all your shit in, like, raw yoke. Wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, what. Henry, didn't he have gout? Oh, yeah.

The King's disease? Gout's probably going to be making a big comeback soon. 100%. The only thing that I agree with, out of all those things she said, that's women to eat, fuck the raw egg yolk. But oxtail broth, I mean, you know, being the son of Jamaicans, we love. Wagua. La Gua.

Yo, that shit is awesome, dude. I love oxtail, you know. It's very hearty. But the other stuff, I don't know. I don't know. Also, I don't really like eggs, so I don't know. Any kind of broth. Broth is good for you, bro. It's good.

I do think we're over-complicating all this, because we live in the era of over-correction. Like, I think this is, there's probably some pretty simple fundamentals when it comes to nutrition. Okay, this is the part of the article I really wanted to tell you guys about, because I thought this was very fascinating. there. So Sophie, the writer, she asked, should I have abandoned sweet green salads and started eating as I imagine Henry the 8th did? That question led me in May to the Smoky Mountains of Tennessee

where I drove to a convention center in the resort town of Gatlinburg, RIP Dolly, stood for the national anthem and then watched an auditorium erupt into cheers as people on stage cut into juicy rib-y steaks. This was the opening ceremony for meat stock. the mediest community convention in the world, a festival of carnivores, biohackers, primal dieters, and anyone else enthusiastic about meat. Panels feature doctor influencers and some well-known figures from the Maha movement, including Cali Means, a senior advisor to the Department of Health and Human Services,

and Alex Clark, who hosts a wellness podcast for TPSA. There was also... Cali Meets. Cali Means. Who? What's that guy's name Alex Mutton? Alex Mutton and Callie Leeds. Alex Mutton.

Alex Mutton. Oh, my. There were also what an announcer called Your Favorites from Instagram and YouTube, influencers who were not yet famous to me, but very much so to other attendees. These included Bella Ma, the steak and butter gal, who films herself biting into sticks of butter

and large first sticks. Well, I guess Marjor's healthy than butter, right? I don't know. Sorry, I'm just trying. Marjorine Taylor Green. She's there. Margarine Taylor Green. And Michaela Peterson,

who doesn't need an introduction. We all know who Michaela is. Is that Jordan's daughter? That broke his brain and he had to seek treatment in Russia because he just ate steak for two years. Yeah. That's the one.

Turns out that's bad for your brain. I love the the t-shirts though. Here are just some t-shirts seen at meat stock. Not a vegan. Beef, butter, bacon, and eggs. Unvaccinated. I don't believe in veggies.

Midwest meatheads. Eat meat, not wheat. As panels discuss peptides. That's bad messaging in the Midwest, though, I have to say. Yeah. I don't need veggies. It sounds like I should get that shirt for the unruly non-year-old that lives next door. What is it?

What is it about the worship of meat eating. You know what I'm saying? Like, what is it about, like, is that just like an overcorrection they think, like, veganism or vegetarianism is silly? So they're going to be, like, out and proud meat eating. Is that what that is? Or is it something like libidinal almost, like, about the American, what you conceive,

who you conceive of yourself to be as an American, you know? Could be. I think it's both. I think it's really both. or in that and like you're saying Aaron it's also like arrested development

like they are really going to like stick it to their parents from making me fucking Brussels sprouts when they were yeah yeah yeah can I leave the table now honey you didn't eat your Brussels sprouts fuck you mom

that's basically yeah fuck you mom I'm gonna develop my entire personality around this mom when I'm 45 years old I'm gonna eat I'm gonna eat a raccoon that I've scraped off the side of the road with a shovel you'll say

A man in a full lion suit A man in a full lion suit stalked past the different offerings for sale Talos skincare products Oh she is a good writer A man in a lion's who stalked past Sorry sorry to cut you up there That's good Toxic superfoods plants are trying to kill you

As was one panel At one booth A man in an old school milkman's costume Asked if I wanted a quote shot of butter this is how I met Max Kane a garrulous purveyor of non-pasteurized dairy products who calls himself the milk runner Okay, but he can't call himself that while wearing a milk costume

Of a cow costume if it's not coming out of his udders You should be able to sit like get on your knees And he shoots like water Do not give these people any ideas That'd be awesome I'd say not a few were into that sort of thing. His home, he said, was raided by authorities. He now runs a company called Farm Watch.

He described it as, like the Rosa Parks of Grocery Stores. They got hit by the meat police. He got hit by the meat police. The Rosa Parks and Grocer Stores. Oh, well. Let's hear him out. You get to the back of the lot. When you get to the register, what is that?

This guy, yeah, I guess. I don't even know what that means. I spent, like, literally 20 minutes trying to figure that out. I was like, is he mean like it? No, we need to dissect that really quick. Oh, stop. Is it, is it, is it, like, what is he? You, you, get on.

You wouldn't give up your store to a white man. The butcher tells you to get to back the line when you go to farmers market and some shit like that. I'm confused what he's, shit's getting at there. He said he started eating raw because he had degenerative Crohn's disease and a nutritionist told him recommended an omnivorous raw diet. So I don't...

I don't knock anybody for having a medical problem that's vexing like that and they can't get any relief and they try stuff. I just like, I don't think you can like make sweeping generalization about anecdotal evidence. You know what I mean? Oh, this thing worked for me,

so like it's going to work for you too. You know what I mean? Otherwise, I'd be out here proselytizing about Diet Coke from McDonald's, you know what I mean? Which I consume too much of. But it works for me. I think that's probably the thing and gets back to what I was saying a second ago.

It's like raw, like nutrition's kind of such a moving target. It's so subjective. It is so determined by the specific individual, question. It's like, the only thing we can really do is make a few universal assumptions and then act on those, one of which is that giving out massive amounts of raw milk to people will result in X number of bacterial infections. We know this for a fact, because this happened all throughout the 18th century until they developed fucking like refrigerated rail cars and stuff. Here's what I want to say too. And you know, I don't often give it.

it up for a Frenchman. But do you know what Louis Pistor went through just to make like several important things like that? Like this man saved so many goddamn lives. Like, where we get pasteurization from it.

But also too, like, this man to find the rabies vaccine stuck a fucking straw or what would have been a straw at the time in his mouth and extracted a little bit of saliva from a rabid dog's mouth, like funneled it to get the raw material to make the rabies vaccine to save a little

girl's life that got bit by a rabid dog in those days. Talk about taking one for the team for science, brother. Like when I hear this shit, man, you're, you're fucking spitting on Louis Pasteur's grave, you son of a bitch, you know? And from that much less noble reasons. Yeah, you didn't do fucking shit for this world. Louis Pasteur did a lot of shit for this world. Also, too, I know we talked about it or we like kind of like, we breeze past it, but like,

I would assume that if I ate, maybe this is just not something in my diet, that if I or anyone really ate raw meat, that I would feel sick and ill after like a significant amount of time. So do these people, do they not feel ill when they're consuming these things? Or is like something you were saying, Tom, is that just sort of like the struggle that you have to go through and the burden that you must bear in order to be healthy, to feel ill and nauseous, you know. I think they're confusing that with a healthy gut bio. Yeah, probably, probably.

Well, Kelly Pye says she's been eating raw for two and a half years and never once gotten food poisoning. So maybe that's the baseline. She said she felt better after. Yeah, you fucking idiot. It's because you have stomach acid that insulates you from that oftentimes. But once one time it's not going to happen and you might fucking die too, you know? Needlessly. Needlessly.

She says she had chronic migraines and seizures in her early 20s, and that's why she went low-carb paleo and then just went full raw after that. The writer, Sophie writes here, it did not take long to notice a pronounced overlap between chronic illness and the meat stock community. No one, it seemed, decided to eat only raw meat because they felt good before. I met people who had embraced a carnivorous lifestyle and an attempt to cure autoimmune diseases, conditions, chronic pain, digestive problems, fertility, issues, eating disorders, even psychiatric illnesses. A 29-year-old named Natalie Monger told me about coming off a suicide hold at 26 and thinking that none of the treatments or advice she'd be given were working. Meat wasn't the only cure, she said, but diet was the foundation of my healing. That's so sad that the American healthcare

industry is so, it's so inadequate that people turn to the diets of American gray wolves. That's so sad, dude. They're making a joke, but that's honestly sad. I think part of it, too, is I think part of it too is like, I'm kind of down with like the elimination diet thing. This seems like the sort of set it and forget it version of that where it's like, oh, if I only eat meat, then that is de facto an elimination diet and I don't have to like introduce other things back in because like now I've like figured out that something I was

eating was like at least contributing or exacerbating these symptoms. I'm sympathetic to that. I'm not like, I wouldn't pick on anybody for trying to seek out something that works for them like that. But I think where I get off the rails is like, but you're creating another problem, which is that like you need fiber for healthy digestion. You need vitamins and minerals and all these things that you're not getting, you know, elsewhere. And it's probably showing up in ways like you're probably solving one problem and you're probably creating others that aren't just not as readily apparent to you at this juncture. You know what I mean?

Like human beings, I understand, are pretty well adapted at eating, you know, famously, I mean, if you bring this up in conversation with people, you know, they'll tell you like, well, you know, the Inuit people of Alaska eat basically just well blubber and they subsist on that pretty fine. So the human body is pretty adept at like creating a lot of what it needs, but there's some things that it can't. And I think that, you know, fiber obviously being one of those, you know what I mean? and other things. You know, B-12 and certain cases, if you're... You know, what's really fascinating is the human body used to be able to create vitamin C on its own.

We evolved out of that. We could no longer create it on our own. We need vitamin D to be able to metabolize it that we get from an external source. There's a lot of different thinking on why we evolved that away. Was it the cultivation of, like, was it vitamin C,

heavy foods, maybe. It probably was. Like fruits, for example? We probably started just getting it more from our diets. Yeah, probably with the advent of agriculture,

which gave rise to class society. But you're right, Tom. Like, this is, there's that, I mean, I've struggled with all of this myself. Had even convinced myself

like maybe 10 or 12 years ago that the chronic fatigue I experienced at all times was because of like gluten. I too went through like a gluten you know must eliminate all gluten from my diet phase and I eat gluten every day now

I mean and have for many years now I was a vegetarian for five years because I thought that like maybe something and I mean I am no stranger to eating specific ways because I think that my diet is that nine times out of ten what's ailing me is usually not something coming from my diet it is usually stress that's just me personally i don't have any you know these

people these people are talking about crones for example like that's a that is a chronic condition that um you know you need a certain medical uh regimen for i mean you can take i think crones is an autoimmune disorder is it not like you probably have to take steroids to keep the white blood cells from attacking your, I think, I don't know for a fact though. Crohn's is from the mouth to your, you know. I've also heard of colitis, which is not, doesn't extend the whole track, but yeah. But I want to let you keep reading Terrence, because I'm wondering if she gets this, like,

I'm wondering the political angle, right? Because it's one thing to cut certain things out of your diet because of a chronic illness, you know, and this process of elimination. like you were saying, Tom, but it very much also feels like, well, directly that this is overlaid with or sublimated into a political, moral sort of perspective and vision, which I am not, I'm not immune to that either because I worked in a Jamaican restaurant and I was a vegetarian for like two years, you know, because like I worked in a Jamaican restaurant and I would like see the raw meat and it would just make you sick.

Do you feel like a monster ever now? Yeah, yeah, dude, I would go home. My mom was like, I made some oxfail. I'll be like, I don't want to eat that right now. makes me feel kind of sick and all this. So I can understand the moral sort of rationalizations. But I'm wondering like, where is the, where's the maha sort of influence in this, right? As opposed to just like, well, this is a process of elimination and a personal individual choice I made for myself.

Because it seems like a political movement for a lot of these people, you know. Here's another thing that's interesting to me about that. The Maha movement does not, like, excoriate, like, fast food, though. Remember, like, RFK was like, fast food's part of, like, our national identity. We just need to be cooking our fries and beef and beef tallow. Burger Reich literally. And if you saw, I mean, like, steak and shake, the chain steak and shake, like their Twitter account posts, like, maha, American flag stuff all the time.

Today, they posted, like, their bowl. we got to talk about bowls too and all this like the slop bowl we're going to talk AI slop we got to talk about our food system there's a parallel to that with the slop bowl you know but like steak and shake

like posted their bowl and they were like this is actually like and we're like extolling the virtues of like their beef and like why it's so good and all this stuff in their new bowl and their bowl is like low-car you know they're promoting that and all this stuff and what's funny about it

is it's like it was an AI image of the slop bowl that they're coming out with. It was like, it was like, it, this, that tweet sits at the Venn diagram of what we're talking about in this story. You're naturally processed food, but you're, you are, you are, uh, sharing this through an AI image that is completely fake. That's very ironic, you know. Yeah, it's very strange. But anyway, I think that's funny.

It's like we're talking about like, yeah, like, I think that's like most doctors would say, yeah, you probably shouldn't eat much fast food, right? But like, Mahat doesn't, even with all of its weird, like, you know, cutting off a raccoon's dick and playing with it and all the weird things that come along with this, they're like, no, no, no, fast food's fine. We just need to be cooking everything and beef fat. Well, I think that's because at the end of the day, the people who wind up championing this stuff,

you really kind of feel sorry for a lot of these the lay people, the laity at meatstock because they are kind of the people getting con or getting scammed by the RFKs of the world who, I don't know, man, RFK is a very fascinating modern figure. He is about that life in the sense that he does eat roadkill like the people he's gripping.

But he is also so deeply tied into the American business community like there was no possible outcome where RFK and the MAHA movement meaningfully put a check on big pharma or the big agriculture

or fast food industry anything like that that was never going to happen and what we found is that those industries have I don't know I mean it's weird man I mean it kind of gets it like I said the weird multi-colored multi-varied hieronymus Boschian

tapestry of American life at the moment where you would think that probably a lot of those like big ag executives are supportive of Republicans but the Republicans are now sort of on their, you know, you know, death cult thing where they've brought the MAGA people into it. I mean, my whole critique of MAGA, which I've said

before, is that like the role in function that it serves is like specifically to help us basically transition out of the modern medical paradigm. By that, I mean the hospital

and the clinic as the site of all medical care and health care, I think that MAHA exists to help, because it's unsustainable, as we've pointed out, from a political economic standpoint, it has to be transformed and probably done away with entirely. Maha exists to transition us out of that into the, you know, variegated, like, multi-form,

the nutritional monster, right, right, Like multi-headed Medusa that is the next wave of medical care in this country. Well, it's just to tack on to that, Terrence, it's like if we live, if neoliberalism prioritizes a responsibility and hyper individuality, then turning her back on these howled out social institutions, health care included within that, then the only thing that you can do is reject that wholly by resorting to, you know, like these sorts of dialed out social institutions, health care included within that, then the only thing that you can do is reject that wholly by resorting to, you know, like, these sorts of. that have no, that have no purchase, I guess, and like reputable, like, you know, like, you know, health commentary or within the health industry writ large, because, again, you already don't trust them, you know. Right. Yeah. Man, I will say in this world, the people that are in a raw chicken, now that's a whole fucking raw meat is, like raw beef is one thing. Raw chicken.

Salmonella dog. It's like that tweet where that was. like I cooked medium rare chicken and it's like oh who told you you could do that um says I encountered a man named Rob Richards on the low toxin bioenergenetic forum I got a bunch of pain a few days ago a low B5 thing so I decided to get recalibrate dose he he would write or one thing I've noticed during this is that taking collagen peptides quickly give me low vitamin C symptoms, gum pain, dry skin. When I talked to him on the phone, he said he had tried many diets over the years,

beginning with full carnivore. At the moment, he was following one that avoided vitamin A and nickel. He took large amounts of supplement stack called HG7. He wasn't ill, but he experienced issues with his back skin and digestion, along with anxiety and brain fog. His back skin? Like the skin on his back? Back, comma, skin, and digestion.

Oh, I thought you said his back skin. Okay. No, my bad. You turn to the fly, dick? Like, what's going on here, man? Again, I sympathize with all this. As someone with health OCD, that's what most of the people in this article have health OCD.

And I can diagnose it because I suffer from a dad. I've lived it. I have a bad, bad case of it. But a question that hung over all this talk about nutrition for me was, how am I supposed to feel? Three pastimes that had sustained me through my 20s, running, skiing, and drinking beer had lately become harder on my body. And yet, through all the dark nutrition world, people were talking about unlocking new levels of energy and eliminating pain.

On one forum, people discussed ways to stop your energy from crashing in the afternoon. It was news to me that this was even possible. Kevin Quorrell was 61 and said he, quote, never hit walls. I bet. Moving through the world. Hey, well, count me out on that day. Moving through the world with meat-induced superpowers, I wonder if there were levels of energy I had never unlocked

and therefore didn't know about it. Okay, okay, can I just say something? Isn't it true that most carnivores, at least in the wild, whenever they eat a big, tasty meal, like a fucking buffalo, a lion, they have to sit out in the sun for hours because they're so fucking lethargic, and it has to be processed throughout their bodies? I cannot imagine that these people are not crashing out

and getting the idias. from eating like a raw fucking steak. That is a good point. That is a good point, man, because it's like, like just the way we eat is just different. Like a lion will eat like a gazelle and it won't eat for like a week. Yeah, like two weeks. Yeah, exactly. You know what I mean?

But we eat three tidy meals a day much smaller, you know, and that's a, I think that's a fairly new phenomenon. I don't know. I hear. No, no, the reason why is because of our brains. as I understand it, we have to have high caloric content because we have the biggest goddamn brains in the entire animal kingdom

that are very complex. They function more, they just have more cognitive output and function than other brain. We're talking about neuron connections and all that shit compared to like relative to brain size that's absolutely true.

Like a cognitive function. That friends, that friends is why we're the most dangerous game. The most dangerous game, brother, it's also. By the way, a little fun factoid. Also, why we're born so early in the gestational cycle, humans are born like a trimester earlier.

Because, like, our brains are so big, they need to be able to fit through the birth canal. And that's why when we're born, we're just, like, potatoes, basically. We're nuggets. We've got the alien skull. Like, a horse is born able to walk. Yeah, 100%. Well, what about a cat?

A couple hours after. A cat comes out in, like, two months, but they just come out with one purpose, and that's to kill. Their brain's a size of a walton. But it has one task. Drink teddy milk and then kill. Something became clearer to me

when I spoke with a man named Christopher Gardner. Gardner is everything that people in dark nutrition circles stand against. An institutionalist director of nutrition studies He's at Stanford Prevention Research Center. I fuck with Christopher Gardner. He's one of, I fuck with Christopher Gardner. You know who he is? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Stanford guy.

He's the, whenever I delved into protein, he's like the protein guru. Okay. He says, let me tell you a story about garlic, Gardner said. Early in his career, he told me he ran a small study on garlic supplements. They had been rumored to lower LDL cholesterol, but in the study, they performed no better than a placebo. When Gardner published this finding, a chemist called and questioned whether he'd use the right type of garlic pill. The two joined forces for another study

in which 200 people spent six months taking supplements, eating real garlic or receiving placebos. In the end, no group saw lower LDL cholesterol. Then the published study reached the news. One of the media asks, Can I say to be honest, I'd be more worried about halitosis, brother. Eating that much garlic, duh. man I love garlic

and I I eat too much of it and I shouldn't because I have bad heartburn but I fucking love it One of the media outlets Says Stanford finds garlic isn't good for you Gardner told me

And I thought wait a second It was one clove of garlic For one condition LDL cholesterol It might be good for inflammation It might be good for blood pressure It might be good in a higher dose He was once again assailed with calls

And emails claiming He tested the wrong kind of garlic The point of this antidote anecdote, which Gardner related with Great Flair, was that it is very, very hard to make definitive claims in nutritional science. We can almost never say something like garlic

isn't good for you with real certainty. Human studies are hard to design. Long-term research often has to rely on unreliable self-reporting. Even a contained well-designed design study like Gardner's could only prove something limited. So I think that's kind of what we've been saying,

right? Like it's... Right, right. I mean, if all this stuff is kind of inconclusive, and, you know, dependent on, like, an individual basis, then I guess the only thing that these people can do is say, reject all the science and find out something that works for me personally, but they're all eating like hyenas, so I don't really get it.

But I can understand the impetus, though. I can totally understand the skeptical impetus, though, you know. Yeah, Gardner dispelled something for me that I always thought was, like, sort of sacrosanct with, like, protein, because he says that basically every food contains, how many times you heard the phrase, like, something lacks amino acids. It's like every food contains all the amino acids.

They, you know, they're in different quantities. Like one might have more lysine, one might have less tarine, whatever the case may be. But every food contains all the essential amino acids. And that's one thing you hear like kind of thrown around in these like wellness communities. It's like incomplete proteins. There's no, if something contains protein, it is like contains all the amino acids. It's just some of the amounts might not be the same as in other stuff. And so that's why when you pair them with other things, you hear the phrase like,

now it's a complete protein because one thing you pair it with shores up the weakness that the one thing had in one of the amino acids or whatever. Which help me kind of think about it. Yeah. And he said it's like, it's kind of like scrabble. You know, it's like, you know, like somebody might have more Gs than the other person or whatever. But like, you know, when you put it on the board, you know, you got the complete picture

or whatever, which was really helpful for me to think about it. Because, like, his whole thing was, like, when we talked about eating, like, mega doses of protein and stuff like that, it's like, there's no benefit past a certain threshold, basically. You know what I mean? And as long as you're getting, like, enough of all those things. And if you're afraid you're not getting enough, like, just, like, eat, like, a little bit more. And you don't really even, he's, the other thing I learned from him was that, like,

in order to add muscle, You don't really need to add that much more protein. You know what I mean? It's like people's conceptions of protein whereas more is better is not necessarily true. You know, there's obviously outliers, you know, but anyway, gardeners, gardener's legit. Well, he says here, we do know a lot, though,

he reminded me. We have plenty of evidence in support in certain things. For instance, for instance, that vegetables are, broadly speaking, good for us. I've been doing my best to point out how much consensus there is. He said, part of what bothers him about people's skepticism is that so much of what we do know about nutrition is, in his opinion, fairly simple. It's just eat vegetables and fruits, don't eat so much junk, eat better quality food. I mean, it's like pornography and art. It might be super hard to define exactly where it crosses the line from being food to crap, but most of it you can

see is food or crap. It's not that hard. Yeah, it's, you know, and to tie this into something that like several different things that like I have been thinking about with that book that I was reading like um you know the a lot of this stuff is for example like the notion that like lifestyle changes are or that lifestyle choices are very determinative of health outcomes comes from the discovery that cigarette smoking causes lung cancer. Now, we don't have, I'm pretty sure, maybe at this point, maybe they have subjected lung cancer cells to enough, like, cigarette smoke to definitively prove that cigarette smoke causes lung cancer.

But they, in the 50s, didn't have that ability. what they used to determine that that was the case was the randomized clinical trial. And so basically they just use statistics to make a deduction from a number of cases that's what caused lung cancer. And in this book that I'm reading, he talks about that was good.

In his opinion, that was the most important development of like 20th century science. Like, you know, because everyone smoked. In the wake of two world wars, like 95% of the population of the United States and Britain smoked. Don from Madman actually did us all a benefit by making that one ad. Yeah, by making that one ad, yeah. Not where he pushes cigarettes, when he comes back and says, you know what, fuck these companies for his own selfish reasons and says, you know, it's bad for you actually. But like he, you know, in this book I've been reading, like he talks about like we've now

extended that to everything though and that it has kind of made it difficult to really good like cholesterol is a great example blood pressure is another example in the 60s the thinking on blood pressure was extremely contentious people got in fucking like

scientists doctors got in like knock down drag out fights over like blood pressure what caused it and how to treat it giving themselves blood pressure and higher blood pressure in the person yes yeah yeah and like cholesterol now is another thing that is like kind of a big You get wildly different claims on cholesterol.

Some health influencers say that eating high amounts of cholesterol actually is good for you because it means your liver processes, it means your liver makes less of it. But you'll never find a doctor who tells you to eat more cholesterol. Like that's not. One thing I do know about cholesterol, this is really all I know about cholesterol. I was like you don't have to actually eat dietary cholesterol. for your body to make it. Right.

No, your liver makes it. Yeah, like your liver makes, like, more than enough that your body, the part that your body needs, like the amount that your body needs. Like, you don't have necessarily eat at that, Tara. Like, genetically high cholesterol. And every time I go into the doctor,

the doctor's always, like, a little freaked out by my, by my numbers. But also have very good LDL numbers, too. So it's like, it's fucking, it's threading a needle. Yeah, all. It's all crap shoot. Really, truly, it just redounds to do the best you can.

Right, right, right, right. Well, anyways, I think we've flogged this dead roadside animal. We've picked this carc just over. We're eating. I mean, that pretty much sums it up. She just ends on this, you know, talking about Kelly Pie. Kelly Pryon.

She says, I thought of a skit Max Cain had staged at Meatstock. He was holding a mace and standing next to a woman named Ella. The lights went out and when they came back on, Ella was on the floor playing dead with the mace beside her. The question was, who killed Ella? Could we be sure it was Kane? The moral of the skit was about evidentiary standards. Bacteria in raw meat, Kane said,

is often blamed for foodborne illnesses without the same standard of proof used in a court of law. At the A.R, he said they don't ask if you've been inhaling soot or consuming pesticides. I mean, fair, but it's not like, that's in the background. I don't, I don't mean, it's a structural issue. It's like we need. I would have taken that the other way. I would have been like, okay, have they gone from roadkill to cannibalism? Is this where we're going?

That's how I would have read it. Did he kill her to eat her? Is that where they're going to start doing next? That we should start. We've talked about this. They're going to start eating. They're going to start eating people, perhaps. Well, yeah, no, Kim Trills are spice trails.

They're spicing us. Here's what I would say. Here's what I would say. Seasoning us. To her. Yeah. If you eat raw salmon that contains Shiga toxin, and you end up in the hospital with Shiga toxin, food poison,

chances are you got it from that salmon. You know, like, don't be willfully stupid. Like if you say like, if you say like, okay, eating nothing but meat cure my auto immune disease, cool. I don't have a problem with that. Like, okay, maybe that did work for you, okay? But don't be like trying to muddy the waters on like, uh, bacteria contained in flesh doesn't necessarily equate to food poisoning. Yeah, it fucking does a lot of times. You know what one thing I'll say, man, to kind of underscore this too.

This does feel uniquely American. I don't know what the dark nutrition tendencies look like in other countries, but there does seem to be this overall... It's coffee and cigarettes, usually. Coffee and cigarettes for the French especially. It does seem to be, or if you're oldest right now, I guess. But it does seem to be like, you know, it does seem to be just mistrust of the government.

And also I can do whatever the fuck I want. And I do think, too, there is something about, I don't know, the red-blooded American personality or mythology that has these people thinking it's cool to eat raw meat, you know? Like, it's the same thing when I think about, like, people like Pete Hegseth talking about we need our beautiful, big, strong warriors, you know what I mean? And we need them to be, like, MMA fighters. It's just something in the American psyche that lends itself to, like, this sort of

undefeated attitude that makes people challenge their bodies, you know, by eating shit they probably shouldn't, but also that understandably in some ways that they would resort to, you know. I don't know. I feel bad for these people. I think that you could easily. fix this. Well, okay. You can't easily fix it.

You're not going to easily fix it. It's going to take some do. But you can fix it. Step one in the profit motive as the organizing principle of society. Obviously, like we obviously that's the

you know, the distorting, warping factor of all this is the profit motive. It makes all medical and scientific pursuit and all medical and health rehabilitation

pretty much impossible on a long enough timeline and it will kill you because those two things are at odd human health and capital accumulation profit those are at odds so you got to do that can't sit side by side

if that's too big of a step for you though a really good first step a really fucking good first step would be ending the internet Just fucking cut it off 100% Fucking close down the goddamn internet At least until we can figure out what's going on

What's going on? Here's the other thing I would add My best friend from high school His dad's Pet issue was Roadside campaign signs So when he was We would be driving around

He'd be driving us to practice or something He would look over at these signs vote, you know, Harland 2D Seals for county commissioner or whatever. And he'd look at us and he would just shake his head, he'd say, they'd say they're spitting on Daniel Boone's grave. Well, that was certainly a point he was making. But the other thing I'd say is just cook your food and drink pasteurized milk

lest you spit on the great man Louis Pasteur's grave. 100%. That's true, man. Don't disrespect Louis Pestor. Yeah. Okay, respect your goddamn elders. Yeah. That's our third principle here.

Respect your fucking, pay respect your fucking elders. Respect your ancestors who were smart enough and evolved enough to cook food over a fire. You know, I mean, mind you, with half the brain power, you pad probably. A hundred percent. Actually, eating cooked meat is what made their brains probably grow larger. You don't have been to. But that is, I think, Aaron, I think that's literally the case.

Yeah. I think it is too. I'm pretty sure it is too. I'm pretty sure that's literally the case. Yeah. Some things have worked pretty well for a long time, and I think cooking food is one up. Some things are tried and true, brother.

Anyway. All right. Anything else before we sign off for today? We didn't cover any news, but. That's all right. We get closer to the midterms. It just Trump gets gayer.

The blue wave is more bluer. I mean, I contributed to that yesterday. I voted yesterday. My mom dragged me to the polls. Damn. Yeah, I didn't want to. It's not that I didn't want to vote. I just didn't want to vote for Keisha Lance Bottoms, but, you know, whatever.

She's not going to win anyway, so it doesn't matter. She might. Who knows? Ever since that YS.R.R. RICO case, I've just, I can to get conscious vote for. Not that I'm a Georgia voter anyway That's one of the things I was thinking about But I mean it cost me nothing to go vote

So I just did it Except some little bit of dignity I will I didn't have much of that anyway So Well All right Well thanks so much for

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