Trillbilly Worker's Party - Episode 48: Lap Swimming at the Hazard Pavilion

Episode Date: April 20, 2018

Take a trip with us to the Hazard Pavilion, where we discuss the police state, creative placemaking, and our new reality TV show called Pimp My Side by Side

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Hello Hello love You're going to fortify God, I've spent so much time around Brits and I still have a terrible British accent. Hello. Hello, love. You're going to need to fortify your little penis. It does not pass muster. Oh, God, dude. You're hitting way too close to home. Well, welcome to the show.

Welcome to this week's edition of Pimp My Side-by-Side. Pimp My Side-by-Side. Do you think we have to explain to the audience what a side-by-side is? Do you think everybody knows? I don't know if there really is a reference point. Is that a, I guess, yeah, I don't know. Is that like a strictly rural thing? I mean, I guess you don't see a lot of side-by-sides in the city.

You know, the only time I saw a side-by-side in the city was in the Rough Riders anthem video. Yeah. That's true. It is a southern thing for sure. I don't think they were rapping with side-by-sides in Gary, Indiana.

Yeah, well, the Rough Riders was Yonkers though right? Oh yeah. Yeah. I mean they had like side by sides going down the

street. You know. This is when you get to find out how little I know I actually know about rap. Rap music.

We did a definitive Trailbillies guide to rap and I sort of just sat there for like an hour and a half like,

I like No Limit. The record label? No, the song, Usher and Young Thug. No, the concept as well, having No Limit. I used to, I'm not going to embarrass myself on the show but I used to call into MMT at night and pretend that was DMX. I think when

I can't remember who did the show but I would say something like I ain't going to do it. What? Bad accents are so cringeworthy that I'm afraid to go out there with it. Fortify your todger. No. Now, D-Max is like, hey, you're my man to name.

He came through and had the grimy video on MTV. And they want to play that shit on MTV. She was too grimy. That's pretty good, manimy that's pretty good man that's pretty good god damn it DMX uh pimp my side-by-side hosted by DMX would be good you know because you had pimp my ride with exhibit but pimp my side-by-side with DMX yeah I think you'd have to go even you'd have to get like fucking uh Bubba Sparks doesn't seem to be doing too much these days.

You think Bubba Sparks? Basically, though, the criteria is you have to have an X in your performance name. Right. That's right. DMX, Bubba Sparks. Bubba Sparks had three X's. Bubba Sparks. Yeah.

I'll give you a. And as a side note, X, X, X. Yeah. I'll give you a- And as a side note, Ice Cube was triple X. That's true. In that one movie. What were you going to say? That's true. No, no, no.

I wasn't going to say anything. You said I would give you- I was going to give you a hip hop hot take. Oh, let me see it. A hip hop hot take. I think Bubba Sparks' Deliverance album is one of the more underrated albums in hip-hop history. Damn, shots fire.

I think Bubba Sparks is a really good rapper, actually. Yeah. And I'll tell you why I think he's a good rapper. He was signed to Purple Ribbon, which was Big Boi from OutKast, Killer Mike, all those guys. If those guys co-sign for you, those are some grade-A dogs. Right. Then you know you're good.

I think what he did was he started doing this country rap stuff just because, you know. I mean, Florida Georgia Line's made a mint. Was he before Florida Georgia Line? He's never really done anything major in that world. I mean, that's just the niche he's occupying at the moment. Right. I check in on Bubba from time to time. Do you?

Yeah. You check in on him. Has he done anything with Florida Georgia Line? Would you say he pioneered the country rap genre? He's one of them. I would say, who do you think really pioneered that? Nappy Roots? Did they sort of?

No. Well, if you want to really talk about it way back pimp c when he said this ain't hip-hop these are just country ass raps right so he kind of coined that phrase but what i'm you know what we're talking about is like the really shitty like melding of radio country with rap right that. That I think Bobby Ritchie, Kid Rock, the proprietor. You might know him as the proprietor of the Badass American Grill. That's what I was going to say. Yeah, the inventor.

Yeah. Actually, I don't know if he invented it. Now that you mention it, I really wonder how that went down. Was there a board meeting? Does he have an American Badass Corporation? Listen, Bob. I thought you mentioned that. I really wonder how that went down. Was there a board meeting? Does he have an American badass corporation? Is that like the whole? Listen, listen Bob.

You think his friend's called Bob? Is that his name? Bob Rich, he's Kid Rock's government guy. Oh. Listen Bob, check it out man. Okay, well Kid Rock would be a good host of Pimp My Side By Side as well. He doesn't have an ex, but I guess.

Remember we need to, we're thinking about this too narrowly. We need several hosts. We needed a diverse. A rotating cast of hosts. Rotating cast of hosts. Kid Rock, Bubba Sparks, DMX. Yellow Wolf.

Basically a who's who of white rappers would be good. DMX? Yellow Wolf. Basically, a who's who of white rappers would be good. Is Lil Xanax Lil Xan? Lil Xan. I didn't mean to say that. The irony here is that he's white, right? Yeah.

Yeah. And then I think he got in some hot water lately for saying that Tupac was whack. It's just like, do you not know enough just to like, even if you hold that opinion just to kind of sit on it? Yeah. Surely he just said that for publicity though, right? I feel like he's kind of going out of vogue. We're at the end of the Benzo era?

We're teetering close to it, I think. Because it used to be kind of like fun and cool to talk about doing benzos, and now I feel like you're just kind of sad if you're still doing them. I mean, I don't say that in an ableist way, because trust me... We've done our fair share. I've done my fair share of benzodiazepines, but... You know.

Yeah, I know what you're saying. It's just not sexy anymore. It was sexy when Future was talking about it. Right, right. Speaking of that, Future's drug use is wholly implausible. Yeah, I think he's, I think it's a part of the act, right?

Sort of like we also have that same act as well. We live clean as anybody. I'm drinking Earl Grey tea right now and water. Or you stay properly hydrated. Yeah. Take our vitamins. Right. If you could pimp your Yeah. Take our vitamins. Right. If you could pimp your side by side, though, what would you put on it?

Like, you would need a solid, like, I guess I would probably make mine, like, a Popemobile. I'd put bulletproof glass on the sides. Would you put, like, one, like, have you seen people that have like the fake bullet holes Yeah You'd have the bulletproof glass With the fake bullet holes Riddled in it

Yeah hell yeah I'd have that Definitely some sort of weaponry Like what I don't know like a rotating 50 caliber Machine gun or something on the back. Because, you know, side-by-sides have that little bed. Yeah.

It's a tiny little bed. You could have your partner there manning the gun. Yeah, exactly. It would be like the scene in Return of the Empire Strikes Back when they're on Hoth. You've got a pilot up front and someone in the back manning the weapon, but it would be in East Kentucky, and it would be against, I don't know, drag lines, inloaders, bulldozers,

on nonstop removal sites. She had militant strip mining protest people. Right. Shit, dude. You know, I've been doing some thinking. Uh-huh. If we're gonna stimulate this economy, hear me out here,

we're looking to the future too much. We need to bring back, I've been thinking about this because of your tweet today about coal jobs and just how the precipitous decline of it. Oh yeah, isn't it pretty wild? Yeah, and then I thought about what Matt Crispin said on Choppo

about how coal miners are kind of like chimney sweeps now. Right. We need to bring back chimney sweeps. And, as you pointed out earlier, the beaver pelts. Beaver pelts. That's what got me thinking about this. We need to bring back the old professions. What do you think a cornet player is pulling down salary-wise these days?

I don't know. If you play the cornet, or you play, I don't know. you play the cornet Or you play I don't know Harpsichord The harpsichord The lyre Yeah

Like you know One of these niche instruments You have to be in Relatively high demand somewhere Yeah Yeah that's a good point That's a good point A poet used to have a

A pretty big standing in society. What happened to the poet? Yeah, I don't know. I think that the poetry was probably only popular for a specific, like for a small window of time due to the particular way that you printed things and the technology available to actually disseminate that stuff. What do you mean? The internet kind of makes poetry sort of irrelevant now, right?

Like this, like... That's a poppin' hot take, my friend. God damn. Even as I said it... Maybe, hey, you and Lil Xan. Even as I said it, I was damn that's rough but here's the thing i'm i can't i'm not knocking the profession i've got a i've to to to say to just to um sort of uh backtrack here just a little bit. I've actually submitted poems to be accepted into publications before and have been rejected many times.

Okay, okay. That makes sense. It's really just sour grapes. If you didn't make it, nobody else can. Yeah, it's a grudge I have against the industry, so I can just call it irrelevant. It does not matter. Let me ask you a question. What I'm saying is that it's not irrelevant and inconsequential. I still do it. You know, a lot of people still do it.

But, yeah, I'm not going to die on this hill today. What were you going to say? You want to walk it back, man? I'm going to walk it back. You suppose that, hell, I don't know. You gonna walk it back now? I'm gonna walk it back. You suppose that, hell I don't know, you think Robert Frost retired wealthy? What if Robert Frost even right? Two roads diverged by a narrow wood

and so I could not travel both but as one traveler. That's a pretty good, you know, like what Robert Frost did there was he just picked a very common experience that we all have. Coming to two roads diverging in the woods, either literally or metaphorically. And he's really been rolling on the royalties for that for like a good 80 years now. Well, he's dead, but. Well, his estate. I'm sure his estate is.

Yeah, I mean, that's what really makes a good poet, you know? But, like... I don't know. I guess a lot of these guys probably did die broken penniless, but we still talk about them. But, you know, what's... A stonemason. Stonemason.

You know, like, where are these people at? What's a cobbler doing today? Right, right. Yeah, I really am interested to know what happened to the fur trade. What happened to the fur trade? It's funny you say that because fur trade is also Eastern Kentucky slang for something else. So if you were to say that root for a good old boys, they'd just go, still alive and well, man.

Wow. Take us on. What is the, enlighten us, Mr. Sexton. What's going on with the fur trade? Hell, man, I don't know, really, honestly. I was curious what a beaver pelt might fetch these days. We should just start doing it and see what happens. It's sort of like how me and Matt Carter have always talked about mining coal just for a hobby,

just between ourselves, just to do it and feel like we've actually accomplished something. Well, I feel like that's kind of what a lot of writing is now anyway. Most people don't publish, but you still do it. Well, I feel like that's kind of what a lot of writing is now anyway, you know. Most people don't publish, but you still do it. You know, whatever. Yeah. And then talk shit about it later. Yeah. On your podcast. Isn't it whack?

That's so funny. He said it's just a completely invalid art form. Just totally worthless. You and Lil Xan obviously never heard of somebody called Tupac Shakur. Well, that is a valid... I mean, just put it in a song.

You know? Come valid... I mean, just put it in a song. You know? Come on. I mean, everyone likes music. My beef with Bowtree is that it doesn't have music. That's the thing. Oh, man. Getting out in front of it. Getting out. Will this assassinate my career

nah i think you're all right i mean it's not like you damn damn but really though what can you really say in a poem i mean really like like we saw that movie isle of dogs this weekend and like the climax of this movie i'm going to spoil it because I hated it. You hated Isle of Dogs? Like I thought it was very boring. You hated Isle of Dogs? I didn't like it. I thought you might have because I came out and said

man that was visually stunning. You just said yeah so what do you think why do you think they made a movie about was it the Teddy Kennedy movie? Oh, Chappaquiddick. Chappaquiddick. Did you see?

I diverted. Yeah, I was like. I diverted. I didn't want to rain on everybody's parade. It's very hard to be the person who has to hate everything, to be the friend in the friend group that has to hate everything. It's a lot of work, man. Are you too cool for Wes Anderson?

You're there, aren't you? I like some of his movies, but I didn't like that one very much. You think he's went downhill since Rushmore? I don't know. I think his career

is kind of like this. Yeah. Which is where you want to be, really. Yeah, that's true. I mean, you know, you go up and you go down. You go up, you go down.

Sometimes you have strikes and gutters. Well, here's the thing that I think he's done. When I saw Grand Budapest Hotel, I was like, man, this guy has humped the Ikea clean lines. Everything is symmetrical. Everything is aesthetically pleasing. Very pleasing, yeah. And I was like, man, this has got to be dead soon.

And then like... It's very sanitized. Doubles down on it, and it's like, all right, it's back. Yeah, it is very clean. And yeah, I don't know. I like the 80s. Bring back the grit

you know that's what filmmaking really needs yeah shoot your film and rub it in several layers of just mud

and shit and that's what I'm all about baby the mud and shit yeah not really are we even are we doing socialism against the deal there was a big debate this weekend on whether bernie was a socialist did you see that what was the consensus i don't know bernard i don't know uh in my mind was like, are you kidding? There's no way. There's no way he's a socialist.

But that was my knee-jerk reaction. I think Bernie jumped the shark today with his, like, he's like, Cardi B's right about FDR. Because Cardi B did this GQ interview where she was, like, you know, talking about FDR and Social Security and all this stuff and, you know, made good points. But Bernie was like, Cardi B's absolutely right, kids.

I did see that. About, like, Medicaid and stuff, I guess? Yeah, yeah. I don't know. I mean, like, what really, I really want, if you really think Bernie's a socialist, like, what do you expect is gonna happen? happen like that's really the funniest thing to me like to imagine like Bernie winning and then waking up the next day being inaugurated and

be like all right we're gonna do socialism now now here's what we're gonna do it doesn't I don't know it's just it's just like I don't know if you if you're talking about yeah I don't know. It's just like, I don't know. If you're talking about, yeah, I don't know. But anyways. These bankers, when we see them, we're putting them all in jail. Yeah, that's just not going to happen. I mean, I don't know how to break it to you, but it's just not going to happen. I don't know. People don't remember 2008.

Like, what the fuck? Like, that's why we're here. That's exactly right. Yeah. Thank God. Everybody was like, oh, man. These bastards are getting their comeuppance. Trust me.

It's happening. A few more months, man. Yeah. Exactly. It's just like they could have processed. We had them. We had them right by the satchel. And we let like they could have processed. We had them. We had them right by the satchel. And we let them slip through our fingers.

And now look at us. What's that quote from that coach? What was it? Oh, never mind. Oh, no, no, no, no. They are who we thought they were. They are who we thought they were. Hello.

Hello. You play to win the game. Yeah. Seriously though, seriously. If the system really worked like that, every bullshit person would be in fucking prison. Every single one of them. No, listen dude.

I've been, you gotta come over to the hazard pavilion with me and swim laps in the morning. It's very anodyne, but more than that, it's got great Soviet-era architecture. Nice. And some stuff around here does,

like the tower at the Pound Lake, very brutalist. Yeah, very brutalist. And so I go in the bathroom and it's just like, there's the old school showers from the 70s still in there. It's like everything's rusted and you're gonna like bacterial meningitis if you don't wear sandals and i thought man if there was any justice in this world this is what i was going to talk to you about too like there were certain places where they would just lead people into one of these places you know in one of these rooms with just a drain in the middle of the floor and you'd never see them again.

And that's what we should do. When people get out of pocket, these habitual line steppers, we need to put them in those rooms with the drain in the floor. That may be our only hope around here, my friend. Organized crime for the betterment of society. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, I was talking to a buddy of ours about, we need to do a show at some juncture about like, the real gangster angle of like the unions. You know, that's not off top, that's not talked about that much. Yeah, it's yeah i don't know um it's very lonely to be a leftist around here in the sense of like i feel a lot of leftist conversation is done with accidentally yeah sometimes you stumble into a lot

you know a lot of leftist discourse right now that is very urban-centric. And not only that, I kind of feel like there is this genuine streak among a lot of leftists that that's actually the way it should be. That society is becoming more urbanized. It doesn't make any sense to live in rural areas anymore. You want to be in the cosmopolitan area cities. I mean, it's also just... I mean, I'll tell you this story,

and it sounds like I feel like I've been name-dropping a lot lately on the show. I'll try to refrain from that. Don't beat yourself up. But one time I had an audience with Bill Clinton. Just one time. Right. And I asked him, I said,

what do you think the future of rural is? And this is the time when I was working at Daily Yonder and all this stuff shortly after that. And he said, well, you know, kids want to gravitate to where there are things, so the trend is it's not going to get any younger. And he said, but there's a future there. It's call centers.

It's like helping out with the power grid and all this kind of stuff. And so he basically just said, rules done. You know what I mean? Right, right. So, I mean, it's right. So, I mean, it's not just like, I mean, it's liberals,

it's, you know. Well, and it's, I guess to me, the most disturbing sort of, I think a lot of just rural places, no matter what side, like where you fall

on the political spectrum, you're not getting a whole lot of answers from the left in general no yeah that's absolutely true you know and i don't i'm not going to say that rural areas are predominantly conservative or whatever i don't have the stats of any of that i can't back that up i all i know is about where i live and where i'm from right and so i can only speak like sort of anecdotally right but i will say that like a lot of their of their day-to-day things

that they deal with and their reference points for a lot of things in life, they're not really being answered by anyone except for the MAGA people, the Trump people. I thought you were gonna say, anybody except us. Yeah, anybody except us, really. Which is a dumb mantle for us to have, too, for the record. But, like, I think for me the most...

We really pigeonholed ourselves. Did we really? In the earlier days. Let's move to the city, baby. That's why we're going to abandon this. Let's do it. Cue up the Green Acres theme song. But one thing that I've been really disturbed about

is the only answer that the left seems to be able to present to a lot of rural communities is these very wonky means-testing type things like creative placemaking. Oh yeah. You know what I mean? Well I mean like actually that's just another word for gentrification. But it is

interesting that like I just I don't know man. That's just a very dominant industry. Well the MAGA people and this is what I was going to talk to you about. It's what I want you to I want you to kind going to talk to you about it's what I want you to I want you to kind of see it first hand that's why I want you to come swimming with me

but at the pool where I swim at right across from it there's this big glass window and there's these tennis courts and of course nobody plays tennis in Eastern Kentucky anymore but the local police

are doing this like Pops testing stuff over in the tennis courts. I kind of chatted the guy up this morning when I was over there and I was like, I'm walking in the pool

and he says, you guys doing the Pops training today and all that kind of stuff? And I go, no, I'm just here to swim laps and I had my old Vista Patagonia fleece on. And I guess he thought I was a cop. I guess I had AmeriCorps on my sleeve.

Anyway. He's gone along with it. Yeah, I fight poverty. Yeah. I took an oath. Took an oath. Same oath the Marines did. I took an oath.

Took an oath. Same oath the Marines did. And so, POPs testing is what the police do to prove their physical fitness, and it's like, you know, run a mile in a certain amount of time, so many pushups, whatever, whatever. Right, right.

Dude, I kid you not, they had 40 motherfuckers in there. Oh my God. Like, two fat-ass cops, and then like 40 motherfuckers in there with them like and they're like yelling at these guys and like all this you know what i mean like really hamming it up yeah and what's happening here and i it all clicked to me when i was in the pool this is one of the epiphanies i had it all clicked to me in the pool it's the chlorine this is the this is yeah this is

the alternative yeah like the economy is like all this like all this for all the shit it's the chlorine this is the this is yeah this is the alternative yeah like the economy is like all this like all this for all the shit and all the headlines about like crime going through the roof which is bullshit like the alternative economy they're creating these rural places are taking disenfranchised disproportionately white guys and funnel them into the police state where there's steady work it's a low barrier to entry so they don't need yeah anything else right and uh i think that uh that's highly disconcerting yeah because like this is what i think like you know while we've been the left has been dilly dallying all these fucking rural communities saying, we're going to teach you how to code for, you know, like, make $11 an hour or some shit.

We're going to do this or we're going to do that. We're going to funnel you into the nonprofit world. Like, the right is, like, playing to all their, like, fucking fantasies. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And providing viableies. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And providing viable employment at the same time with good retirement, all that kind of stuff. Yeah.

And the way they're selling it is they're convincing everybody. They're convincing people that black and Latino people are a threat, Muslim people are a threat, and all this kind of stuff. And it's only going to get worse. And, you know, like even like, you know, that demonization even extends just to poor people. You know, it's like when we're talking with RLs, like, you know, criminality is demonized too, you know, in a lot of ways. So I don't know. I just see this sort of cottage industry springing up out of the ashes of what Fox News has wrought.

I mean, I know that's a cliche, but it's true. And all these fucking screaming heads that have been talking about, you're being replaced, you're being replaced, or whatever. Yeah, it's all grievance. You're absolutely right. But that was like, all these fucking liberal news outlets Absolutely right. But that was like, it was like, you know,

like all these fucking like liberal news outlets come to like fucking BitSource and Pikeville, the next town over here, and they're like, oh, this guy started this, and he's hired four people now in seven years, you know what I mean? And then meanwhile, anybody could just go be a fucking cop. Yeah. You know what I mean?

It's that, it's either like you've hired four people at your hydroponic garden on top of a strip mine that can't get its food to market because we live so far away from anything. Or, you know, it's either that or this tired ass, like, and I'd be interested to see, because I feel like this is so highly concentrated in Whitesburg and other parts of eastern Kentucky, mostly in Whitesburg, but I also see it in other, and so I would imagine that it's like this in other rural areas as well. thing like trying to make some sort of industry out of the ashes of this totally vaporized

industry. Or this very tired mid-2000s, late 90s, mid-2000s idea that the way that you get economic development, the way that you create jobs, the way that you grow an economy is by relocating a creative class to a place. You know what I mean? Yeah, the Richard Florida idea. Exactly, exactly. Yeah.

And that is still going on to a massive extent. And the godfather of all that, the progenitor has even said I was wrong. Yeah. I saw this article, I think somebody had interviewed him a while back and he was like... Well, I'll talk a little bit

about that in a second. But this, I don't know, sort of, this idea, which was once popular for urban areas and it was proven wrong. I mean, there's no such, it's totally stupid

his argument was basically like these um his argument was basically like hipsterization and gentrification is good it creates an economy or whatever yeah but um and he kind of said he was wrong but it was once popular for like development, and now it's been transferred to rural development. Because it has, I mean, because, like, because I think that they don't have any other answer for rural areas other than that. Like, that's just a very lazy, tired-ass idea. Well, it's also just like, well, let's give these people the crumbs. Yeah.

You know what I mean? Like, I mean, and it's like, and I hate to, when we talk about rural, when we talk about being from not the city, I hate to take the aggrieved posture, because I know that comes off supremely annoying, but it's just like, I mean, it's just reality. I say that because I just said,

you know, we take the crumbs, you know, poor us, and all this kind of stuff, and I just get the feeling people are like, yeah, buddy, try living, you know. Right. Yeah, this is just our personal stories about our crumbs that we're getting. Like, everybody's getting crumbs.

These are the crumbs that we're getting. Everybody's getting crumbs, yes. We can compare our crumbs later. Yeah, we'll have a dick measuring contest with our crumbs later. Pissing contest or whatever. But yeah, I think that's interesting. But yeah, who'd have thunk it?

Hipsterization. Rich or Florida though, the article that you're talking about was this guy named something Burris. I can't remember his first name. Plaxico. Plaxico Burris wrote an article about... Plaxico Burris. Giant's receiver shot himself. Yeah, he wrote an article about creative placemaking.

I don't know if you knew that. But Richard Florida has now said he was wrong that for the creative class does not create more jobs and grow an economy. It only leads to gentrification and inequality. However, he still hasn't like come he's still like a right i don't know he's probably like a centrist who has a sort of neoliberal deregulatory uh ideology yeah that's right but um but he still has not come to the

conclusion that the the underlying problem is how resources get allocated. Right. You know what I'm saying? Right. Capitalism. Capitalism. Markets, you know? Markets don't, I don't know.

And also, his whole creative class theory is based on the idea that capital is mobile. Or, I'm sorry, that people are mobile. I mean, people are, capital is, but people aren't. You know what I'm saying? People have anywhere, I mean, especially here, but anywhere people have surprisingly little autonomy over. Yeah.

Damn. So the reason I was thinking about this, though, is somebody sent me this. Man, this shit is fucking gold. somebody sent me this. Man, this shit is fucking gold. There's a conference in Charleston in June. West Virginia?

Yeah, like a creative placemaking summit. Oh, fucking A. Creative placemaking leadership summit, dog. Somebody sent me this, and I got a real good kick out of it. So I want to read you some of the sessions, if I could. Please, please.

Hold on a second. Let me tie off real quick. Yeah, tie off. Okay. Okay, baby. Okay. All right. You ready? I'm ready.

Spoon's heated. I'm ready. Appalachian culture, our history, beliefs, and transitioning To the new economy Come explore Come explore Appalachia From the formation of our mountains Through the development of civilization

In the region throughout time Learn about research on the cultural beliefs That inhibit or expand the ability Of individuals and communities To be economically successful That is creepy. I want to go back to this. I just want to read that again. Learn about research on the cultural beliefs that inhibit or expand the ability of individuals and communities to be economically successful.

So the whole idea is that it's still rehashing the old culture thing it's their fault it's not it's not policies made it's not material conditions the way we allocate resources and arrange the economy it's the culture right and that's what creative placemaking is it is about creating a culture that's everything culture, really. It's really bizarre. They've commodified it to the point that they're trying to create it. They're making a place in the abstract. I don't know. It's so bizarre, man.

It is so perfect. It's so weird. I don't know. That's a very creepy description. Review the sectors of Appalachia's new economy and think together about the application of this knowledge. How do we support growth sectors of Appalachia's new economy and think together about the application of this knowledge. How do we support growth that honors Appalachia's rich history and engages her people?

It says engages her people. Yeah, yeah. They gendered. They gendered a region. Yeah. Why is your town not, quote, the world? Rural America's next bold idea. This is interesting.

I haven't read this one. The only one I've read so far was the one. Every rural community has the same two problems, workforce development and housing stock shortages. Oh, that's our only problem. Yeah, yeah. Even if we are successful in convincing someone to move to town, we don't have anywhere for them to live.

We love to incentivize someone to move to town, we don't have anywhere for them to live. We'd love to incentivize companies to move to town, but then why are we not incentivizing people? Manheimer speaks about his experience, this fucking nerd that made this thing, running theaters and restaurants in NYC to his eight-week 22-city trek across the country in 2007 and settling in Des Moines, Iowa, where he founded the Des Moines Social Club to his current work environment. Okay, hold on a second.

Just let me pause and point out two things here. One, I love, I love when upwardly mobile people go on a trip and get inspired. But two, two, I'm sorry. Des Moines, I mean, if you're're New York City, Des Moines is rural. If you're in Wattsburg, Kentucky, Des Moines is like probably 200,000 people maybe. That's a decent sized city. Fuck off. Probably the same as like-

Fuck off, Manheimer steamroller. From the Mississippi Delta to northern Minnesota, utilizing creative placemaking, Manheimer and his team work to revitalize small towns through cultural and entrepreneurial concepts to create innovative housing, cultural amenities... Cultural amenities! What the fuck is a cultural amenity? Okay, so basically they want to gentrify rural America.

And then what are cultural amenities? I have no idea. And new jobs through their belief that new technologies like pilotless cars and 3D printed buildings can leap over urban red tape to impact rural America in meaningful and economic ways. Listen, guys, here's what we're going to do to get things rolling. We're going to 3D print hammered dulcimers. We should just start 3D printing towns,

entire cities into the valleys and hollers. Oh, God. Yeah, we'll 3D print Chicago. Let's 3D print. In eastern Kentucky. Yeah, I always. Lower Manhattan. I saw this thing one time.

It's like, man, on this one strip job, and this guy kept hitting the enter button on his, or like the little click is like his PowerPoint. Oh, yeah. Here would come the Sphinx. Here would come the Statue of Liberty. Here would come whatever other fucking landmark, and it would be like,

all these things can fit in Wolf Pit in Martin County, Kentucky. Why can't you have it? Why can't you have it? Well, they're asking an important question. Building a culture of inclusive co-investment through placemaking. Maybe this is, this is really,

help me, throw it to me. You want the tube? You want my syringe? I need it all. Do you imagine going to the doctor? Sir, you picked up hepatitis A. Do you use needles at all? Well, for irony, but...

Not for drugs. Not for drugs. Okay, building a culture of inclusive co-investment i love that one inclusive co-investment through placemaking the low cost short-term and highly visible tactics which characterize placemaking efforts make room for new voices to come to the table to develop and test a collective vision for how the public realm could work differently the individuals that are drawn to this work develop more than active and vibrant places but spur a cultural culture of co-investment that lasts longer than the project itself

empowered by a process that positions the community as the expert and oriented around a challenge that touches dude i can't read this shit but the first few the first two sentences really sum it up it's all about i don't know just a sentence they test a collective vision for how the public realm could work differently i don't know like there's already a public realm you know i mean like it's being more and more chipped away at you know what i mean like just systematically sure but i don't know. There's already a public realm. It's being more and more chipped away at, just systematically. Sure.

What about it needs to work? There just needs to be... Are they saying the public realm needs to be marketized? I think that's probably what they're saying. We need to talk about how the public realm could be used a little bit differently. For example, we want to try to squeeze as much capital out of it as humanly possible just not dead and not wed to it i don't know man i don't know give me more

yeah okay well um all right okay here's one you have a hand bored with strangers using site specific museum theater to connect cultural artists and diverse audiences i just like love this idea i mean like it's it is fucking parody man like you you could write like a south park fucking episode about it like you've got like the most in hand-fisted like people doing theater and like shit for just like downtrodden people who's like situations and circumstances are not changed whatsoever they might get to see a fucking play that's cool i guess you know what i mean okay yeah but like if i can go watch like a fucking a play and all my material needs are not met and I have a very precarious life situation.

I don't know if that's the escape I'm looking for. No, I think the escape I'm looking for is pimp my side-by-side with DMX and a fucking syringe. Avir, man. God! Your eyes, man. Participants in this hands-on workshop

will learn about a site-specific museum performance piece created in collaboration with the University of Texas at Austin co-win New Works Festival and the Blanton Museum of Art. The Strangers was collaboratively devised in the spring of 2007. All right, blah, blah, blah, blah. The Blanton Museum of Art, I will say, is pretty dope. Pretty cool. Pretty badass. But I blah, blah, blah. The Blanton Museum Board, I will say, is pretty dope. Pretty cool. Pretty badass.

But I don't know, dude. It's just another... Using site-specific museum theater to connect cultural institutions, artists, and diverse... Well, here's the thing. That doesn't sound that bad, but... Here's the thing, though, man. Here's the subtext to all this.

The hillbillies are rich, seeming grant money right now. For whatever reason. And it kind of have been for a while but particularly hot right now I feel like out of the JD Man stuff

and whatever. Like I wonder if anybody really even believes in any of this shit. Like does the the Mannheimer steamroller does he believe his own you know what I mean i would probably probably does in the way that like um somebody in like david

koresh's cult believed in that you know what i mean can we talk more about his trip who's the manheimer the 22 22 yeah yeah he manhine steamrolled across this great land i think dude i think it's so funny like this is why i like like jack kerouac is on the hook for all these assholes you know what i mean yeah you're right uh let me tell you a little bit about our our guy of manheimer steamroller principal community planner at mcclure engineering company and founder and former director of the non-profit demoisin social club works with communities to define their unique and use to define their unique they're so up their own ass they didn't they've left a word out their unique something and use the arts as a catalyst to create unprecedented community engagement

people only engage with their uh problems through art and cultural expression i mean it's true but not in the way that they think manheimer i want to tell you something right now If I ever see you You're getting kicked square in the dick This poor asshole Is probably gonna He's gonna be sitting in a coffee shop And his buddy's gonna be like Hey man I was listening to this podcast the other day These guys just roasted the fuck out of you

He's probably a totally nice guy I don't know Even if you're a nice guy you can work Really fucked up This is one The second paragraph to this building a cultural inclusive I don't know. Even if you're a nice guy, you can work really fucked up. This is one, the second paragraph to this, building a cultural and inclusive. I keep saying cultural like a dipshit.

Building a culture of inclusive co-investment through placemaking. The second paragraph in this one is excellent, my friend. In the transformative development initiative, the TDI. Or TDI. The Commonwealth's Urban Development Accelerator development initiative the tdi or or tdi the commonwealth's urban development accelerator district focus begins with identifying community priorities and placemaking projects and that extends beyond the grassroots execution of individual placemaking campaign with a variety of community and economic tools such as technical assistance, small business support, and real estate investments. Oh, God. Small business support. Man, baby. I've still got a... I may have asthma, and I may

smoke weed every day, but I've still got that lung capacity. You did good there. What if Trump was like a community creative placemaking guy? Listen, folks. The arts are transformative. Listen, folks, the arts are transformative. Listen, folks, I saw this little community play the other day. A lot of talent in that group, a lot of heart.

We got 16-year-old Shirley over here. She wrote a play. She wrote a play about frogs. And now they're going to perform it for you. And we're going to get some bulldozers moving here. We'll get some things moving. We'll get some things happening here. We're going to listen, folks.

Today it's the frogs, okay? Tomorrow it's opioid addiction, okay? We're going to address all of it, and it starts here in the theater. Listen, not a single character in this play uses opioids. And we are proud of that. It starts with influencing the next generation. And these frogs, man,

I'm telling you, they're saying some things. It's funny to imagine him using these non-profit words like synergy and stuff. Folks, your synergy, it's gonna be so great. Trust me, your synergy and inclusiveness. You're going to be synergized. It's going to be inclusive.

We've got this thing. It's called the development index. It's the best index. Folks, it's the index to end all indexes. The transitional development, it measures how much you transition your economy. Right now, we've only transitioned like 20%.

We can do better. Folks, listen, I know deals. I know development. If we have enough plays, we can get to 120% transition. That's what we want. It's going to be incredible. You're going to be so tired by how much you're synergized. We're going to get these minors back to work synergizing.

God, dude. It's bad. But the alternative... I don't know, dude. It's bad. But the alternative... I don't know, man. I do not know. I don't know. I would like to think that the alternative is industrial...

Or I would like to think that the alternative is... Basically, what I'm saying is all you assholes out in the city, you're really gonna have to get things moving along. Yeah. And get us some socialism, some communism, please. That would be great. Communism would do us really good right now.

And then throw it to us. Throw us your communism crumbs. My problem, the thing I struggle with, though, a lot, is that, like, how do you build out from there? Without it just being a quirky aspect of my personality of my co-workers oh that's terrence he's a communist like how do you like i mean i guess you could you know you start having like a dsa chapter we

could actually start doing what we've tried to do in the past and haven't been successful at so far right but like i don't know even if even if you did that, it's a it's a really long. Damn. Listen, folks, it's a big project. It's a big project, folks. But we're going to get let's just we're going to get half a billion dollars for the communism. It's going to be great. No, dude.

for the communism. It's going to be great. No, dude, we should just, like I said, we should just resort to we should just resort to organized crime, but like as lefties. Like, you know, like you've always said, like dangling people off

the strip mines, the high walls. We gotta clean up these streams. We gotta clean up these streams. We gotta clean up. You see this place, Jeff? You wanna live here? Look at me, Jeff. I'm no big guy here. I'm no big guy. Oh my fucking god, dude.

Oh my fucking god. You know, like, we have one thing that we've lost though tom is like uh we may have good we may still have all the sort of like liberal news attention and stuff but the days of um the uh outsiders coming in and trying to like well i guess that's not true because i was literally watching CNN. I was going, the days of outsiders coming in trying to pull one over on the hillbilly, you know what I mean, for media gags kind of seems like when Chris Angel or David Blaine.

Oh, David Blaine. Did that actually happen or is that just? I think that's apocryphal, but... I really hope it's true. If it is true, we need an oral history of that stat. David Blaine doing magic tricks. Actually, I think it is true. He was trying to do magic tricks for hillbillies. Yeah, we're basically...

We'll laugh at it. We'll gawk at anything. That's true. Most of our show is laughing. Yeah. Even in stuff that's not necessarily funny. Sometimes you gotta will it into being. Yeah.

Hell yeah. You gotta will the laughs in. God, this has been rough. We had some high points. Yeah. We've been all over the... Just for reference, though, I did mean to come...

I did mean to keep coming back... I did mean to come back to this. Oh, never mind. Never mind. Yeah, you're right. We've been all over the place. I had a list of things I wanted to talk about. We've kind of hit them all though, man.

Have we? Yeah. I did have a new bit I was trying to work out. Hit us with it. Since we're the B-Row. What if the creepy pederast guys in Deliverance were... What if you flipped that, inverted it, and the creepy hillbilly pederast in Deliverance were actually neurotic Woody Allen types?

Oh, God. Creep factory goes through the roof, then. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're gonna need you to squeal. Squeal like a piggy. Yeah, I'm just going to need you to squeal. It's not so fucking funny now, is it? Assholes.

What else you got there for me? Oh, that's all I've got. That's the only bit I've got. No, that's not true. I've got some other ones. When's the last time... Oh, shit. No, I don't know if I want to go there.

Me and Louise have an idea for a dating site called microbiomatch.com. You are talking about that. What's the basis? Well, you know, a lot of people in relationships could probably understand this, but, you know, generally in most relationships, you know, you want to get to that part where your digestive system is sort of... In line with your partner's.

Right. Or at least it's not so embarrassing to your partner as it was when you first started dating. What if you could just skip that whole process and find someone whose gut patterns you know a bit, you know what I mean? Like who matches with yours. You match the microbiome.

Not buying it no no i'm trying to make sense of it yeah well uh like it's like farting on your partner that big of a deal you know what i mean like no but let's say that you have uh like ulcerative colitis or let's okay let's say you're like me you know have IBS bad heartburn constantly just misery I have general misery you're not gonna die but it's a miserable existence maybe even

the ultimate to fuck you not gonna give you anything just something supremely painful and annoying and uh you're gonna live to 95 95 with it exactly but you could just like find someone i mean i guess maybe what i'm saying is uh we need an app that just cuts out this whole process and matches you with someone who also has similar problems and can sympathize with your problems. You know what I'm saying?

Because sometimes you're in relationships, and sometimes you think that your partner thinks that you're just making your shit up. Yeah. Oh, my partner definitely does. Definitely does. Like, no! I feel really bad.

I don't know how I can articulate this to you But Existence is very very difficult Yeah For me I don't want to go for a walk this evening Right right right Yeah so you see what I'm saying now I get it

You get it Yeah Damn This was supposed to be my week off Here I am Maybe we should to be my week off here I am maybe we should just take this week you know what I should remind everyone

that we do have a Patreon and if you don't know what that is it's a site where I don't know you turn over your identity to us we steal your identity. We're basically trying to be Mark Zuckerberg. We bilk you off for $5 a month.

P-A-T-R-E-O-N. We're on there. It's kind of hard to find us because their search thing does suck ass. But I think we're under Trillbilly Workers Party. Correct? Is there an apostrophe in there anywhere? No. All right.

So go and look that up and support us because, man, I'm having a mental breakdown with this shit. We're out of ideas. That's not true. We're not out of ideas. We're just in a slump. Just a little stressed. We're in a slump.

We're not even in a slump. No, we've turned out of ideas. We're just in a slump. Just a little stressed. We're in a slump. We're not even in a slump. No, we've turned out good content. We're stressed, man. It's hard being two people running a podcast, you know? Yeah, it really is. Theoretically, we'd like to be like 16 or 57 people or something running a podcast. We should take Trill Billy's applications. No.

I'm floundering, man. It's alright. I feel like... People need to be able to see behind the veldt. It's what Kanye's Twitter stuff has been about lately you know Man he's been on fire hasn't he Is he gonna come out with a new album

Is that what's going on Tom I don't know he's liable to just start Like building fucking credenzas Or furniture or something True I do think he should come to Wattsburg though Yeah That'd be cool

I mean he like holds up in Wyoming to do his albums because he wants privacy. We could give him privacy. Oh, my God. We could give him privacy in so many ways. You sounded so much like your mom when you said that, too. You just said it, like, in the, said it in the nicest, sweetest mom way. We could give him privacy.

Could just come to Appalachia, Kanye. We'll give you your privacy. Come on, buddy. How do you think Kanye would navigate Wattsburg? You think he'd show up and just be like, what would he do? Dude, he would probably level him out. I think so. It would probably level him out a little bit.

Honestly, think of all the places. He'd spend a couple days here and be like. Think of all the places in the world right now where Kanye West could move, and somebody would eventually figure out who he is. There's a lot of those places. Whereas here, he could come here, and probably not a lot of people would even really know who he is.

I mean, actually, they would, but they probably wouldn't like him. And he probably needs that. He probably needs to live in an environment where everybody's pissed off at him all the time. You think Kanye would come face to face with the thin blue line? And then just step over it. Kanye could turn this place around, man. He really could, man. Actually, let me just say that.

That is the best idea for Appalachian transition is to turn over the whole goddamn region to Kanye West. Or we'd all be wearing like $500 sweatsuits. Yeah. That would be pretty good. Speaking of that, by the way, I meant to talk to you

about this like that video of drake going to that college and giving people money and shit what the fuck man like why can't he come to east kentucky i don't understand what the fuck drake like what like don't you understand that like we need money, and I don't like to watch people just getting handed free fucking money. I don't like handouts, even if they are. Not from Drake, anyways. Not from Drake. No, I really do think that'd be hilarious and good, though, for the local economy.

If Drake could just come here. Or, hey, if Kanye. Just give us a million dollar big check. Yeah, Kanye, if you're trying to outdo, I don't know, maybe you'll have some sort of competition. Come to East Kentucky. Hand out money. That'd be great.

That would be awesome. I would like some. Teach us how to make your big sweatshirts. Yeah, yeah, that'd be good. All right, we've hit an hour. Let's kill it. All right, thanks for joining us, everybody.