Trillbilly Worker's Party - Episode 56: Makin' Do (w/ special guest Emily Hilliard)

Episode Date: June 8, 2018

Emily stopped by during the Seedtime 2K18 music festival to shoot the shit about wilderness survival, Zoroastrianism, and the invasive brown marmorated stinkbug. Pre-order Emily's book with Elizabeth Catte and Jessica Salfia here: http://beltmag.com/inside-wv-teachers-strike/ Pre-order Rosali's album here: https://spinstersounds.bandcamp.com/releases

That's the new aesthetic at sea time White boys with dreads White cats with dreads That's gonna come back shortly You know so many things have come back Earlier me and Tom were watching this documentary From Little Rock In the early 90's HBO did this documentary from Little Rock in the early 90s.

HBO did this documentary on the gangs in Little Rock. Banging in Little Rock. Banging in Little Rock. The clothes that people were wearing back then are almost identical. Surprisingly on trend today.

If you go down to Sea Time, they're all wearing the same shit. They've got these asymmetrical haircuts with like John Lennon sunglasses. Yeah. And backwards caps. Do you guys hold the mic all the time? I like to wear the back. Yeah, we do. Yeah, this is what we did to get out of Apple Shop, Emily.

This is like karaoke. I feel like I'm at karaoke. of Apple shop Emily this is like karaoke yeah it's it's kind of cool though because it gives you the sort of feeling that you're actually performing for people I think that's as far as it's gonna go I think well I think what it is the headphones themselves just aren't very long i can't lean in i can't pull my head back i can't actually sit upright right now sorry um i can actually i could switch you spots oh it's cool are you sure because it would work i got a little bit of a longer cord okay okay yeah maybe switch me spots. Yeah, that's better.

Does that sound better? You look like you're studying in the library instead of recording a podcast. I actually have some music on in here. Oh, is that? Yeah, so I can't hear you guys. Me and Tom recorded an entire episode. One time me and Tom had to go back in and put those headphones on underneath our actual headphones and record a laugh track over an episode.

Because you didn't get enough laughs in the real life. Well, that too. But I think we missed our audio. It was mismatched somehow to the other. So we basically had to just dub. Yeah. We had to cut everything we said over. Yeah.

A little behind the scenes. Wow. Yeah. Making the, what was the VH1? And Yeah. A little behind the scenes. Wow. Yeah. Making the, what was the VH1? And it was our most listened to episode. It was completely cobbled together. Yeah. Yeah.

Mom, my friend. We're boasting our own legend here. My friends have this idea for a TV show. It's called Make Do. My friends have this idea for a TV show. It's called Make Do. Like the sort of slogan for the live TV audience is, Make Do!

Basically, you like put people in a situation and they only have like a lighter, a blow up brass and whatever. And you have to get them to do something and then the audience is like make do and then watch you watch them figure it out that's good it's like MacGyver but real time yeah

yeah you're on the clock yeah that's good fucking MacGyver that's a reach is it really that's good fucking mcgiver that's a reach man is it really that's like that guy was awesome yeah she gave him do you remember when he went he uh hung out with amish for a while mcgiver like a real offer on the show no it was it was an episode where he crashes his car and then when he comes to there's an amishman standing over and they take him in as their own and they like take him in so is the entire episode like him crafting things out of

amish primitive tools yeah i think he like i think there is a shunning in the community it's like that episode of uh it's like that in Shyamalan movie where he the entire three-fourths of the movie you think it takes place in like a primitive sort of Amish village and then you find out like the village. Oh I don't know this one. You didn't see that one? So what ended up happening to MacGyver?

Well there's some shunning and I think he has to I think he actually makes peace within the community um but at one point he like gets stuck in a barn and has to like rig up some always man like sort of fire that guy like fucking dental flossing break out of a turkish prison yeah yeah yeah did they do that a lot on that show did they like go to other cultures no that's the only one i know of really they kind of did a r Russian thing for a little bit.

Really? Yeah, remember Murdoch? Murdoch was the main bad dude on there, which is a perfectly good name for the main bad dude. So there's not been, what you're telling me, though, is there's never been an East Kentucky MacGyver? Not that I know of.

I don't know. He, like, fashions a flechette out of a Mountain Dew bottle and a fish hook. He's making do. Yeah, he's making do. Mountain Dew could be the sponsor. Yeah. He sends a smoke signal by burning some trash. Yeah, right.

Yeah. Let's see he uh he has to improvise a mountaintop removal explosive device and um yeah because that's the whole gotta figure out how to keep the retention pond yeah he's got to put a finger in the dike of the retention pond. He's got a little Dutch boy of Appalachia. Exactly. Damn, how the fuck do we not have jobs writing television? I just don't understand that. I've got so many ideas.

I do too. I really do too. The other day I had an idea for a show called Wedding Camp. The other day I had an idea for a show called Wedding Camp. And so essentially it's like road rules, but the end object is a wedding. Hold on a second. Okay, keep going. All your friends.

Road rules was basically real world on wheels. Yeah. Is that right? It's like real world with physical challenges. But they had to do physical challenges but they had to do physical challenges and stuff it was uh but i don't know i guess it'd be a little bit different because the whole point actually would be to bring in a bride and a groom and um all their friends and family and like put them in a isolated place for maybe a month and then just see what happens with the central objective of planning a wedding i see okay it would be it would be an interesting examination of the institution of not marriage but weddings themselves but why we have the production yeah the production of

capitalist enterprise exactly exactly uh the whole post-modernmodern media media aspect of them we could do a crossover with make do where the people at camp they're you're like you have toilet paper yeah um some peanut butter yeah and uh paper clips you have to make a wedding dress right feed everybody make a wedding yeah oh well yeah but you have to do all the things like you have to make a bouquet out of peanut butter and toilet paper and paper clips. You have to make a cake, a garter. Right, right. You have to make music for it to dance to. Yeah, you're right, music.

You know who'd be really good at McDo is Jesus. Because he had like two fish and a loaf of bread. Yeah, you're right, Jesus would have been an amazing contestant on McDo. He would have been the Ken Jennings of McD. I just don't think that's legal. He could just take the peanut butter, turn it into wine. That's true.

We got ourselves a party. Have to go to the judges, and then they just make a little beep beep sound, and he's disqualified. Damn. Yeah, you're right. There was a guy from East Kentucky that had, there was a guy from Ledger County that had his own TV show.

Was it The Turtle Man? The Turtle Man. Or The Snake Man of Appalachia. The Turtle Man was Western Kentucky, I think, right? Oh, really? I don't know. I think it's Turtle Guy. All I know is I was at Scott's at Whitco one day,

and this guy was telling me all about the turtle guy because he knows all about him and he goes buddy they got a big pond up at his house it's like that uh Thoreau Thoreau Thoreau he's like help me out he's like that's the one

for sure man well Wiley's got those or uh Jim Webb's got the... Walden Pond. Yeah. Right. How is it up there? Is it pretty nice?

It was so nice. Yeah. Let's go there. Yeah, it was like the best way to experience seed time because they just turned on the radio. Oh, yeah. So you can listen to seed time, but you're in a pond. Right.

Man, that is good. Swimming in a pond. That is nice. Yeah. We should have done that, but... Yeah, there wasn't anybody else. Just us and the flamingos. Yeah. We should have done that. Yeah, there wasn't anybody else. Just us and the flamingos. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, I'm sorry we had to do this here. My house is a bit of a mess. That's nice. Is it? What do you think houses, what do you think dirty houses looked like, like 500 years ago? Like, did you just have, like, rubble? I think houses looked like 500 years ago? Did you just have rubble? I think houses were dirty 500 years ago.

They're covered in coal dust and soot. Damn. But they didn't have consumer products just like 100. What if back in the day, you know how frat boys today like decorate their apartments with empty liquor bottles maybe that was the thing back in the 16th century yeah yeah this is how i decorate the home i've been in a frat house for two yeah what's the point of that why do they decorate their houses like that? Is it to show how much they can drink? I think that the idea is like

Or how much they've drank in their lives I think that that's the idea Is to flex on everybody that can't drink like they can Yeah That makes sense That makes sense I can give y'all an inside peek to that world I wasn't a journey yeah if you got any questions

well i like one time we were all sitting around uh everybody a bunch of us were at tom's apartment one time and we were all sitting around talking about cults and then tom just busted in there with all this about fraternities and once you put it that way it is absolutely cold and once you put it that way it is absolutely cold were you hazed I wasn't hazed you didn't like hi you didn't handcuff somebody to a chair and just hope spray a water hose at their face for not seven into the whole you know sort of pomp and circumstance and ritual and ceremony and all that stuff of it. I just kind of like to party.

Yeah. I guess you probably wouldn't be a good Catholic. I take it back a little bit. I kind of do like ritual. I do like ritual and ceremony a little bit. You do like ritual. You do. I do like it a little bit.

I like the ritual and ceremony. Yeah. Do you think it's good for us? Do you think we need to have it? Yeah. I think we do. I think we need to have stories. It's really more of an aesthetic thing and comes from any place of authenticity,

but I say fuck ritual, man. I don't think you need it. It's fighting words. Realize who you're talking to,rence i know i know what's the rash what's the rash now behind um because uh i'm trying to think of what a person who actually believed this what's this sounds a little bit too close to kanye for me like emancipate yourself from mental slavery yeah yeah like bust all the rituals like let's talk like tear down all the altars that's who i'm that's what i'm going for that's what i'm going for i get i draw my intellectual inspiration from kanye i before a couple months

ago you wouldn't have been too far in the woods to have done that yeah well the thing about it now is that he has adopted it's really funny it's so obvious he's adopted the position that the most punk rock position you can take is conservatism you know like oh the culture is the malo line yeah the culture is predominantly liberal that's the hegemony like it's actually subversive and counter-cultural to be conservative and what it is is just a complete lack of political imagination totally so well just any kind of any kind of imagination that's right well it's that and it's also the fact that politics is now just entertainment and so there's really no like kim kardashian going to the white house

it's really insane and that's why like earlier you were like i feel like we're there's like a lot of people talk about like that feels like you're in a simulation and that's really just why because we're not used to living in a world where politics is entertainment in the way that it is now yeah no for sure for sure um maybe i think ritual's good oh 180 180 i like how you just abruptly said that all i had to do was bring up Kanye I No I think it's good What's the early reviews of the album? Of the Kanye album?

Do you listen to it? We'll table that discussion for another day You guys can go if you want No that's I saw something you posted Does it look like a strip mine on the cover of the album yeah it's like somewhere in Wyoming

yeah I'm sure it's not a strip job but like for us it would be a strip job right that would be badass though I would take it if it was like that was Kanye's new aesthetic that's where you did all his videos yeah

Kanye should start wearing coal mining stripes because that's like the one If it was like, if that was Kanye's new aesthetic. That's where he does all his videos. Yeah. Kanye should start wearing coal mining stripes because that's like the one fashion, you know, his fashion aesthetic is so fixated on just blandness, you know, the sort of like peasant proletariat. Well, Justin Timberlake had that red bandana. Yeah. Super Bowl red bandana. Yeah. Super Bowl red bandana.

He's like representing the UMWA. That's right. A real redneck. Is that really the etymology of redneck? I think so. I heard that there's like. There are competing theories, but that's one I like to believe. Yeah.

I want you to believe that with me. Yeah. Yeah yeah but that makes sense yeah well so I was gonna say something I'm so zanned out of my head it just lost was it about rituals it was about rich I'm losing my voice I'm sorry what's going on guys yeah it's just it's just been a long week. I'm writing my memoirs. It's taken a lot out of me. Are you really writing your memoirs? I keep telling Tom that. But I have started writing again.

Nice. I went home and told Alastair, Terrence is writing his memoirs. He's so young for that. No, there's plenty of people who have done that. That's what I texted. I was like, do you think I'm too young to write my memoir? Lena Dunham's done it.

Yeah, you're right. Yeah, maybe. I mean, that's. Right. Doesn't really present a good argument for it. But I've been thinking about reading my memoirs. Reading them? I've been thinking about going back and reading my old journal.

Well, see, that's the thing. That's why I'm doing it because I can't, I find like I can't journal anymore. Yeah. You're like, I need inspiration from my past self. Yeah. Yes, that's exactly what I'm doing. I'm trying to channel, I don't know, maybe I'm that lost right now. Y'all have that like portrait of the artist as a young person moment where you're like just so cringed out by what you wrote when you were like 21.

100%. Yeah. I don't know. Light it on fire. Yeah. Well, the reason I can't journal is that I read back in it. I'm like, I'm so annoying. I'm so whiny.

I hate the voice that journaling requires. Yeah. Well, I don't think it's hard to not have that voice It's very difficult What does that say about us You gotta read some other people who don't have it Read some other writer journals If you can't journal yourself

Like Emily Dickinson And like Woodrow Wilson I don't know I was thinking like Joan Didion. Oh, okay. Yeah, that's maybe a better choice. Okay, all right. But yeah, Woodrow, I don't know.

I have no idea what his tone would be. Casual antisemitism. Healthy dose of, well, definitely racism. All right. What does that say about us though that our inward self reflective voice is quite often insufferable to us or is it insufferable to others as well

I think it is sometimes you read other people's diary entries and you're like I mean not like in real time I mean like historical sometimes you snoop sometimes you break into your your friends your friends you look under their bed you read all of their deepest why is his diary voice so annoying man what's up bitch shit oh my god no i mean like the historical people though like

it's easier to sort of put it in narrative form yeah yeah people were also better writers i i think you're probably right because you just had more practice yeah you were writing letters to everybody right now all we write is texts. Yeah. Old-timey people weren't that good at texts. Yeah. They couldn't write a text. There's no way. I'm a total sucker

for like the like music autobiographies, but like really bad ones that are like co-written with other journalists. Yeah. Like I just read Gucci Mane's and I was just enthralled by it.

But then at the same time, you know when you read that shit that they're leaving out all the good shit that would incriminate them in certain situations. In Chile, they have a ghostwriter, right? Yeah, they always do, yeah. What's that Roman Polanski film where Ewan McGregor plays a ghostwriter?

Did y'all see that? Uh-uh. And I hate to say I liked it. There's a lot of Roman Polanski films I like. Wow. He's a piece of shit. Wow, wow. There's a lot of Roman Polanski films I like He's a Total piece of shit I will say he is a piece of shit I don't know I don't want to explore that Oh

That's what I was gonna Oh I read Loretta Lynn's Yeah What was your thoughts on that? It made me like her less It sucked Why? Is she like a Well It's very defensive Yeah, what was your thoughts on that? It made me like her less. It sucked. Yeah.

Why? Is she like a mad person? Well, it's very defensive. It has a lot of folksy dialect. Yeah. Like over the top. Like just trying to folk it out. Oh, yeah.

And like drop Gs on every, no Gs. When me and daddy was stood up. Yeah, yeah. And then, you know, she goes in on women's lib oh no way she is which is funny because she was a total trump supporter but she's kind of like right looked at this like as this feminist icon because of the peel and other things yeah i bet she does have what might be considered feminist politics but she would never take you know in a certain way yeah in this kind of nuanced way but she would never ever take that label yeah yeah uh yeah i know a lot i have a lot of women like in my family that are like that oh yeah my mom's

very much like that yeah who would yeah would turn their nose up At some sort of label Well yeah Um Yeah but are Also fiercely Independent I mean saying You know what I'm saying Like totally like I don't know

That sounds Problematic in its own way But You know what I'm saying Yeah Into Being an empowered Individual

Right But yeah Right Can't take the label on Right Right I think that's pretty common the one that we uh the one book that was like that every dude read and like between ages 16 and like 21 was the

anthony ketis um okay oh scar tissue yeah scar tissue so recent a few months ago John sales came to yeah yeah director yeah the director of mate won the independent film director yeah and I ended up having breakfast with him and we were like asking him about what projects he wanted to work on next and he was like I really want to do a film about anthony ketis and was that excited about it really yes yeah and if you look on his wikipedia page it says that he's had a project about him in the works for like 10 years what he's like fascinated because i think his dad was like some kind of maybe he was a jazz musician or something so anthony ketis's dad so he had this weird musical background and and john sales was just like fast he was just like he would go to these parties in the valley with his dad and then he becomes like a you know he's in this band the

red hot chili peppers you're like wow i don't get it like what is it about john sales personal autobiography yeah i don't know parallels with his own life or something i mean but the thing is john all of john sales movies are good what what else is mate one i've never seen any of his films what are some of the themes in his films well he always has a pretty big ensemble cast right um it's like i never saw oh you gotta see mate one yeah willie and have you seen mate one i've like fallen asleep watching it several times we like it was one of those films we had to watch in like elementary school yeah i'm sure i'm sure we're philistines the better on culture so i just read this novel that he wrote called union dues that's about a young kid growing up in west virginia

doesn't want in the late 60s doesn't want to work in the mines um runs away to boston and gets in with this like socialist really yeah it's it's set in 68 so right after the dnc um riots uh but and also in that novel he's working out the plot to mate one but yeah he's really into labor stuff labor history yeah um i just saw one i think it's called mud honey about the blues blues. It's like saving this juke joint. I've never seen that. Yeah. I mean, I've not seen it. He has another movie called Brother from Another Planet. Is it?

And you think it's going to be bad, but it's pretty good. Yeah? It's a parody. You think it's going to be problematic? Yeah, you think it's going to be problematic, but it's a parody. It's pretty good. I was thinking Undercover Brother for a second. Yeah. I was thinking that doesn Brother For a second I was thinking

That doesn't seem like Consistent with this catalog Yeah I don't know that movie Yeah You probably would If you saw it It's got

The guy from Isn't he on Walk Hard The guy that's like You don't want none of this shit Do we Is it Eddie Griffin Is it Eddie Griffin Eddie Griffin is in it But I don't think he's the main guy He's not the main guy, you don't want none of this shit, do we? Is it Eddie Griffin? Is it Eddie Griffin? Eddie Griffin is in it, but I don't think he's the main guy.

He's not the main guy, yeah. I don't know. Anyways. What are some other books, though, that were big, like the scar tissue book? It seems like, I remember reading the Bob Dylan Chronicles book when I was a senior in high school. I was like, that was so cool. I think I was in college Well like Unbearable lightness of being

Or like Oh is that A hundred years of solitude Those are like college books Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah Yeah But something that everyone reads And you feel like you're

Something that people read independently I guess we're talking about musician autobiographies Right Well Tom you've got a lot of those though Man I love I got Prodigy from Mobb Deep Who's on my shirt actually

Fortuitously DMX Gucci Mane was Yeah Prodigy's is the best though. Prodigy from Mobb Deep is the high watermark for music autobiographies. It's really good.

See, pulls no punches. Damn. What about the Leuven Brothers? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a good one. Apparently, I've never read it. I started that. Haven't gotten through it.

See, to me, I just, give me a good documentary. You know, I'll just me a good documentary you know I'll just take a good documentary I like to listen to musician autobiographies yeah like

yeah like a book on tape yeah there's one on Amazon Prime right now about Brian Eno and it's so

that would be good it's so strange though it's very inconsistent like tonally throughout the whole movie and all of his friends are like like brian ain't no lock to get oh i started watching this yeah and it's a lot of talking heads yeah yeah yeah david byrne has some pretty good they aren't you know they're not

autobiographical necessarily but how music works and then the bicycle the one about riding his bicycle over the place was pretty i was interested in, I was interested in that one. I read that one. I didn't really connect that David Byrne was the Talking Heads guy a long time ago. That was pretty good. This documentary is kind of funny, though, because it's like you've got Brian Eno, who's this seemingly put-together, very sober guy.

Yeah. And then you've got these total Keith Richards-type British guys who are like, we were down like three or four jack daniels in a night and he bedded every single chick you know this was this like roxy music era yeah roxy music oh yeah i mean if you look at his style at that point yeah i fucking love the eyeliner oh brown fairies Brian Ferry's the man Well this This documentary Was so fucking dumb

Because they like Tried to make it seem like Brian Ferry And Brian Eno Like their egos Just could not exist In the same band And that like

And not only that They had the audacity To say that Roxy music got worse After Brian Eno left It's like they got better After Brian Eno left I think they did

I think Avalon's One of the best records ever made. Totally. So good. There's a story about, it's a no doubt about, Brian Eno, Brian Ferry, and I can't remember who the fuck. Some other famous dude, and they go on vacation together. And apparently Brian Ferry has a real stick up his ass and just reads on the beach the whole time

while they're all out partying and enjoying the trappings of your fame. He's just like, this is what I like to do on vacation, guys. They say he would wear a suit out to the beach. Yeah. Very affected. Interesting. Interesting. Have you seen that Brian Eno cat food ad?

No. I mean, it's fake, but it's really good. I'll have to show it to you. He's in a really nice sweater. It's Roxy Music era. He's got the white mullet. I think I have seen this. And he has got his cat on his lap.

I think they made a shirt with this. And it's like, if it's good enough for Eno, if your Eno is good enough for Eno. Or if it's good enough for Eno's cat. They have a very ambient,'s cat. That's so. They have like a very ambient, nice soundtrack.

Yeah. It's just a print ad. That's so badass, how like he was just known, in the British like, press as Eno. Just like that was it. Yeah,

like Brazilian soccer players, or. Yeah. Ronaldo, Dino, Eno. What's his full name? Ronaldinho?

No, Brian Eno. Oh, I don't know. That's not his full name. I thought that was his full name. His full name's like 16 names. What? I got to the tape. What?

Is he from aristocracy? I think he actually may be. Oh, damn. Do you know he's all about group singing? Really? Yeah, he just likes to get people together and sing like she'll be coming around the mountain. I'm serious.

Really? I'm serious. Yeah, you can look it up. There's all these articles about how he believes in the power of communal singing, and he's got a list of the songs he likes to sing, and it's like Swing Low, Sweet Chariot. That is a very good pick, though, for group singing.

That is a fun song to sing. Yeah, it's a great song. It is, it is. We'll cover that at the end. Brian Eno's full name is Brian Peter George St. John Le Baptiste de la Sena what the fuck damn so you know i will say yeah de la selena yeah i will say that group singing is a uh there's really quite nothing like it you know you could you could probably walk about 200 feet

right now from where you're standing. And go do it. You could find a group song. I could find a group song and say, listen, Brian Eno's really into group singing. It's good enough for Eno. It's good enough for Seed Time. Is this like Trillbillies on the road? Yeah.

200 feet away. Everybody now. We could do a little man on the street at Seed Time. That would be fun. We and Tom thought about setting up a booth down there and just sort of splicing a bunch of interviews together

like MTV or something. Like, hey, why are you out here today? You know, when it's just like a mom and she's covered in swag and 18 kids running around. That would be good content.

I can't see local hunnids. Yeah. I came to see Slut Pill. I'm losing my voice that's how you know it's a music festival you guys i'm losing my voice just can't stop screaming we need on the sleep time bill next year i don't know what our live but um yeah i don't i don't know i don't think it would be that hard to figure out Tom surely not right yeah this how to get on the seat no like what our live stick should be what a live show would look like oh oh oh well you know I was thinking that I should read from the reader's vent which is our version of speak to peace oh is it I think you should do a Speak the Peace bit at your live show.

Yeah. You got this week's Speak Your Peace. Yeah, but I read it with Matt. We read it with Matt the other day. Look at us getting caught recycling bits. We're just recycling actual Speak Your Peace. I think there would have to be some kind of audience interaction thing. Yeah, I think you're right.

Like maybe the audience could do make do to you guys like they give you three things that you have to talk about and you have to make do right working into the podcast that is good that would be good that's good improv yeah i've done a few improv classes oh yeah yeah you can never say no right right you admit to it yeah yeah karaoke and improv two things that seemingly seemingly seem normie and dumb but are really cool or really fun everybody likes to bag on improv and maybe it's just the people associated with it more than the actual art of it well stand-up improv stand-up kind of sucks usually but improv like acting it seems fun if you're part it's kind, improv stand-up kind of sucks usually. But improv acting. It seems fun if you're part of

it. It's kind of like old-time music. If you're playing it, if you're doing it, it's fun. But if you're watching it, it's not a good spectator. No. It's a participatory activity. Right. You have to have a group that has good rapport. Yeah. For example, we've improvised the first

33 minutes of this episode. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Like, for example, we've improvised the first 33 minutes of this episode. Yeah, I feel like my sense of humor is pretty improv-y. Yeah. I just make it up as I go along. That's what I do. That's what we do.

That's what I do. It's kind of tough, too, when your brain is Swiss cheese like mine is, but... On we trudge. See, sometimes I get really worked up because I'm like, if I'm gonna improv,

I have to have all this like content ready like what have i seen this week what have i read but i haven't done shit i've played stardew valley for like what's stardew valley this is it's a farming video game oh no farmville this is what you do it's insane the whole premise is like you work in a corporation and you're like totally just done with it. You just want to, and your grandpa is about to die and he's like, hey, you can have my farm. So you take it, you move to this little farm

in the middle of nowhere. Everybody in town is trying to fuck you because you're like the new person in town. You're the hot farmer. You're the hot new farmer in town. You sell your vegetables and you can do some mining. You know, if you want to. A little mining on the side.

That's all I've been doing it's so it's like sim farm pretty much yeah you have like a that's what that's that's um it's so funny though it's so like strange that like we're simulating just everyday experiences now but it's not that strange when you think about it. Yeah. Well, it's like when people win the lottery, they say that they just do things that they would normally do, but a little bit more extravagant. They don't bust out of their comfort zone.

They're just like, huh? Right. That must be extravagant for Kid Rock and his false trailer. Yeah. Did you listen to that? Yeah. So that was interesting. Yeah Did you listen to that? Yeah So that was interesting Yeah

Yeah very weird Yeah But You're right That must be the explanation Me and Matt were talking about it last night He was like Man I hope Kid Rock doesn't hear that

I was like are you serious? Like that's the best possible thing that could happen to us I thought he was pretty You know he was pretty positive. Yeah, I thought so too. It rehabilitated him. It gave him a glowing review. We really did rehabilitate Kid Rock and Guy Fieri in the same episode.

Didn't Kid Rock go to visit Trump at the White House though? I think he did. I think he's a Trump guy. I don't think Matt seemed to know that. Yeah, I don't think he did either. Maybe he just, after his experience, he became a Kid Rock apologist. Yeah, that's right. A rock apologist.

Right. Would you give pause to go to Kid Rock's house? We were just asking this the other night. What's like the, what is a celebrity whose house you would not go to? Harvey Weinstein. Well, yeah, there's that. The monsters.

Of anybody that's not been accused of a crime Of a sex crime Or a murder Right But just might be shitty in their politics If I was accompanied I would probably go to To Harvey Wonson's house No no no

Oh To Kid Rock's I wouldn't go there by myself Right But if I was like Rolling with the crew Like a mutual friend Yeah yeah

Right That makes total sense If I was like rolling with a crew. Like a mutual friend. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Right. That makes, that makes total sense. Um, I like to, um, sort of pretend like meet famous people and pretend that I don't know they're famous.

Just to like do a head fuck. Yeah. Well, kind of, but just like, so, so one example, I,

I was living in DC andC. and my friend, it was like friend of a friend, had this dance show and Ian Mackay's wife did the music for this dance performance. And they had a brunch afterwards and I was sitting on the porch next to Ian Mackay and was like, oh man, I'm like, whoa, it's Ian Mackay, pretty cool. Kind of nervous and I was just like, I'm'm just gonna act like I don't know who he is so we can actually have a good conversation and at the time I was uh interning at the American Folklife Center and like doing all this uh digitizing music and transcribing old folk songs and whatever and started talking to him about that and uh all of a sudden we realized that we had this mutual friend where in this recording studio

where he would record in New York right and so anyway we like continued chatting had a really nice conversation and then the next week he went to um that studio to record and he was like, Stacy, I met your friend Emily this weekend. She was really interesting. She seemed to have no knowledge of music past 1940. So he thought I was like some like folk diamond in the rough, like untouched.

That's so good. That is too good. He wrote, and maybe your conversation was the impetus for this, but he wrote this like really cool piece one time about like how he, his worldview is that 99.9999% of the people on earth have no fucking clue who Ian McKay is

and he kind of likes it. He kind of likes the idea of just fading away rather than worrying about your legacy after you die and all this kind of stuff. I thought it was a really cool thing but now I know where it came from. That's cool. I do, yeah.

But I do worry about my legacy though. Do you worry about your legacy at all? A little bit. A little bit a little bit yeah maybe yeah i think that's this is why people have children or write a memoir yeah so they don't they're like i just my legacy is going to continue right what if you do both that's double legacy that's a lot of legacy you've racked up. Yeah, but when you have kids, you're really complicating your legacy. Yeah, you are. Because what if one of them grows up to do something insane?

Yeah. Yeah, one of them grows up to be... You're just kind of letting go of some control. Yeah. Which is maybe a good thing. You're rolling dice. Yeah. Really?

Maybe that's part of the human experience. Damn. I haven't rolled that many dice in my life. I've never played a dice game. Oh, I got into this. I mean, I was being metaphorical, but... Right. Okay.

You don't have to think about it. I've never played a dice game either. I only think in literal terms Wait but you've never rolled any metaphorical dice? I've rolled a lot of metaphorical dice I do everyday when I wake up I just mean like I haven't I haven't made any Like dice rolls on my legacy

Like I don't own property I don't made any like dice rolls on my legacy. Like I don't own property. Uh huh. I don't have children. Not married. Right. Right. Just like I'm pretty in control of my legacy right now. Yeah.

Yeah. You're in the driver's seat. You're in the driver's seat. Yeah. Right. That's how I feel about my legacy right now. Yeah. Yeah You said that like

It's a lot more precarious Than I even can realize I need this little Chord Keyboard here Fuck You're right though You really

You're rolling You're taking a big gamble Yeah By having Those kids Hey let me interject you real quick Could I step away for five minutes You're taking a big gamble on having those kids. Hey, let me interject here real quick. Could I step away for five minutes, go grab Alex and take her home? She's stranded with no ride.

Yeah. Uh-oh. I feel bad continuing to podcast with them. Okay. Sounds good. So feel free to chat amongst yourselves. I'll be right back. Are you going to bring her back up here?

Should we turn this off? Why are we still talking in the microphone? No, I'm going to take her home because she's going to get up with ways, I think. I'll be right back. Are you going to bring her back up here? Should we turn this off? Why are we still talking in the microphone? No, I'm going to take her home because she's going to get up with ways, I think. Okay. All right. I will...

We'll just keep going. We'll fuck it. Why not? Okay. Get some B-roll or something. Okay, cool. We'll figure out something. Where's that keyboard?

Don't record anything without me. Just B-roll for something else. How do you get one of those camo hats? Matt Carter. Okay. hats? Matt Carter. Okay. Go see Matt Carter. I think I have to make a donation to get one. See, I don't think they make those anymore.

That's old school. That's the old school kind. Those are nice. The new kind has like a little circle in the middle. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Maybe it's different camo. Yeah.

Yeah. Damn. You got any bits for us? I could pull up the reader's vent. Yeah, pull up the reader's vent. I don't know what bits I would have. Let me think about this. I was thinking about maybe one bit.

I haven't fully fleshed it out yet because I only thought about it last night. It's not even really clever or funny at all now that I think about it. But I was thinking about if I did tours of Letcher County on the railways. You know how like on

cartoons or movies or real life actually, this is not a fake fictional thing, they have that train thing that you do. The hand car. Hand car. This is like, yeah, this is a dream of mine. And I just, I give tours around Letcher County. I love it.

Yeah, I love it. Everybody, take a look to the right. You know, I just like talk like the old timey voice the whole time you used to be able to get a pack of cigarettes for 13 cents a year but you'd have to you'd have to yield

for all the freight trains like Amtrak I would but imagine how jacked I'd get there's like 8 train cars I bet it's a good leg workout too like rowing. A horrific murder happened right here next to the North Falker. The Kentucky River. Okay.

Hold on. I'm finding some. Just jack. That would be pretty awesome. Okay. Answer to the question of why people drive 50 to $60,000 off-road trucks. The simple answer is we can because we can wait wait wait read that again the answer to the question of why people drive

50 to 60 thousand dollar off-road trucks the simple answer is we can fuck yes we can yes we can one of the thing that scares things that scares me so much is um how much climate change greenhouse gases come from automobiles like you can easily regulate power plants and shit sure how the fuck are you gonna regulate a side by side millions of people you're right so not even stop like diesel trucks and like i mean oh yeah yeah yeah you could regulate the car auto industry to stop making them but oh no they're gonna there'd be like an armed interaction i don't think there's i don't think we're going to well you can just um just diesel will no longer be available yeah but people might start hoarding their hoarding their gas. Right.

If I knew about economics, I'd be able to tell you what that would do to the price of gas, but I don't know. I think the price goes up. The price goes up. Demand goes up, right? Right, since demand goes up, the price goes up. Is that right? I think so.

It's weird. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right, right, right. This is really bizarre, spatial, cognitive. I'm not good at economics. I'm not either. I'm not either. Oh, man. What?

Oh, wait. There is a gas price reader spent. I love the gas price ones. All these people who whine and complain about gas prices. If it goes up 15 cents, what is that? You don't complain about paying $4 to $5 for a cup of coffee at Starbucks. $4 to $5. Oh my God, this is so great. Okay, we have a Kennedy call out right now.

Oh, hell yeah. When President Kennedy made a person from West Virginia the first recipient of food stamps, he had no idea what he was doing he created a state where people expect welfare benefits and want to sit on their butts and collect them people need to work for what they want thanks Kennedy what the fuck wow still holding that yeah that's a lot yeah that is a long time to hold on a grudge. Yeah. Wow. Damn. Damn, damn, damn.

Okay. We have some real dimwits using the Armstrong Tunnel on Shadyside Road in St. Albans. I haven't passed when I stopped due to a yellow light. These morons blow past me and into the tunnel with precious few seconds before a car enters from the other end. Precious few. There are also bicycle riders and pedestrians using the tunnel. Use your limited brain cells before you kill someone. Damn.

Wow. Precious is a common word used in the reader's vent. Yeah. Here we go again. I guess Governor Justice will be off again so we can run that golf tournament at his precious greenbrier yeah there's another pressure precious few seconds precious greenbrier yeah damn um we don't have tunnels here you guys got a lot of tunnels in west virginia i guess we do well we have like the ones that go through the mountains

right we don't have that and then we have I think this one is like this one way tunnel. Yeah. In St. Albans. Tiny little town. Tiny little tunnel. Tiny little precious tunnel. Okay. Let me see if there's any other good ones.

Wow. Terms like hate speech are the very reason we have the First Amendment. Who are you to quantify what hate is? Oh my God. You might not like what someone has to say, but believe me, you don't have to hate someone to summarize the truth about them. Holy shit. Go burn some books and shut your mouth.

Damn. Wow. Wow. out damn wow wow we also have um someone who apparently worships zeus really yeah zeus knows my heart that's how you know he know he can hear when you talk to him you can feel it in your heart i worship the old gods that'd be yeah it's like game of thrones right right i worship the old gods that'd be yeah it's like Game of Thrones right right I worship the old gods like all these

all these Christians here in Charleston West Virginia they don't know nothing yeah they're like so Zeus the old gods and the new gods

yeah Zoroaster dig into Zoroaster yeah that was that was pretty good what is Zoroaster up to these days? Who's Zoroaster?

People are still Zoroastrians, aren't they? It was like an early Persian religion. Oh, I don't know about that. Yeah, it was like the main religion in Persia before Islam, Shia Islam. Whoa. Yeah. What was the principle? It was monotheistic.

It was one of the earliest monotheistic religions too and his name was Zoroaster did he wear a mask a black mask and ride a horse he probably did sort of yeah like Zoro and a pederaster yeah right he's yeah he just he just like wants to get with Zorro. Wants to ride on that horse. Zorro and pederasting. Really amazing. This is a make do.

And here you're giving pederast and Zorro. Yeah, you could do make do with cultural signifiers. Totally. Or like, you know, it's similar to that Wikipedia game. Yeah. Yeah, like six... Six degrees of separation. Right, exactly. Wikipedia game.

That would be good. Exactly. I wonder what six degrees of separation between Zoroaster and Anthony Kiedis would be. Whoa. Damn. I've never really played this game. between Zoroaster and Anthony Kiedis would be. Damn. I've never really played this game. The thing is, once you start going somewhere,

you can't go back, right? You just have to commit to it. I think... Like, if you're going to jump from Zoro to Tonto... You can go back. You can go back. But it counts as one of your moves or no? All you need to do is... It's in a time uh

whatever oh it's timed it's timed when we did we did with tom and carrie we didn't time it but so all you're trying to do is find the least amount of moves to that thing in the given time yeah so you can go back that's a hard game right pretty hard yeah yeah it's the hard game. Right. Pretty hard. Yeah. Yeah. It's the only game I play, actually. I thought you played that video game. I also. But no dice games. Yeah. No dice games.

Outlaw and dice games. No dice games. Yeah. No, I don't know. Memoirs. What's your chosen form of self-reflection, though? Oh, avoid it chosen mode you just drugs just no no i i push it to the back of your mind i do keep a journal um i've always kept a journal right sometimes more active than other times right um i like

frameworks like i like tarot cards Because it just provides a framework Right Astrology I recently Did a little astrological workshop Like online Right And I found it very helpful Yeah

Uranus is in Taurus for the first time Ever in our lives God damn I know God I had a It's fucking me up I kind of thought so Yeah i kind of just you're

like is uranus is uranus right now i can tell everybody's feeling weird look on everybody's face um that's helpful uh i'm experimenting with therapy yeah i so i recently found someone who i really like really um and this is only the second therapist I've been to First one was real bad Really She like gave me a book Called The Wonder of Girls

Written by a man She was like So I haven't read this Written by a man called The Wonder of Girls. The Wonder of Girls, yeah. He was a Zoroast. Yeah. Imagine if that was

on your CV. You want people to take you seriously, like, I read a book called The Wonder of Girls in 2006. Yeah,

so, and she was like, I haven't read it, but maybe it would help you and it's about like being a girl being a seven-year-old girl i was like i am an adult you're like an adult i don't get it yeah i don't know she she just seemed very she's actually seemed quite nervous right and um was pretty inarticulate and she would try to summarize what i was saying and then i felt bad because she was so inarticulate that i like tried to explain what she was trying to explain to me right right but maybe that was part of her shtick yeah like she's getting me to rephrase what i just told her it's so hack though yeah i know it's so hack and that yeah and then this this other lady is just like total badass cool like

just someone you'd want to hang out with does she use frameworks no she no we were just just chatting she like gave some examples from her own life, which I like. Did she ask you things like, so what is your preferred mode of self-reflection? No, actually. That's a very creepy question and nonsense. No, she's like, tell me about your family. Yeah.

It's kind of like a first date, actually. Yeah, yeah. It was great. I had a therapist for a while while but she wasn't very good yeah that's the thing like after i went to that first lady i was like i just want someone who's really smart and can like figure out my shit right and uh i was talking to a friend about this and she was like you want you want like a mental dominatrix i was like yeah i do i just want like someone to like yeah crack the whip right me get me up and crack the whip damn yeah maybe that's what we maybe that's what we all need to some extent yeah but i then i sort of realized maybe that would mean I wasn't doing enough of the work. Yeah. Like if someone's super smart is just like, let me just rearrange these things and your life will just make sense.

You know, some kind of mastermind. That might not be that good either. Yeah, I think they call that manipulation. Right, right, right. Yeah. So they should be smart, but not too smart not too smart right or like smart enough to make you do the work that's to make you feel figure it out on your own or to at least make you think that you're doing the work yeah to figure it out exactly that that's leading you to water right right you think like uh me and tom this is the most cliche question i i i have but me and tom were talking about this in the night is happiness possible

oh man is it is it ontologically possible uh well is it like constant i mean I guess it depends on what you're thinking of as happiness like constant happiness where you're always right or are you thinking of contentment yeah contentment

I guess yeah Tom says no though Tom says it's not possible to be happy wow that's pretty dark i mean i hate to speak for him but he said i momentarily i feel happy in many moments in my life true but i do too drugs are usually involved but over the, long-term happiness comes and goes. Yeah, it does. It does.

Wow. Well, and this concludes another episode of the True Philly Worker Party. You will all die. Do you think Tom's going to come back? I don't know. It would be very Tom-like to not come back. Really? Yeah.

I feel like if any of my friends were to just like... Ghost. Ghost, it's Tom. I hate to say that. He's one of my best friends. Do you think he's having a rough day? He could be. No, probably not.

Okay. I don't know. He didn't seem like he was. Earlier we were watching a little Unsolved Mysteries. Uh-huh. And he seemed to be... Up here? At his house.

Uh-huh. Yeah, he seemed to be doing well then. He seemed to be doing well then. We were rolling pretty good though. I know! So let me tell you about something I learned about this week. This is what I usually do when it's just me and Tom.

I was like, okay, I'll just tell you about something I learned about this week. This week I learned all about the brown marmorated stink bug. Okay. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah. Like get in your house.

Yeah. My cats like to chase them. Oh yeah. They like, they love it until they like bite down and then it's taste awful because they smell horrendous. I don't know if they, if my cats actually have killed them before. I'd probably know.

That's good. Yeah. That means your cats have impulse control, whereas mine, they do not. Maybe they're just wusses. They have no killing instinct. Leon does. Leon's a murderer. The brown marmorated stink bug.

Okay. What's marmorated mean? That's a good question. I really don't know. I didn't look it up okay maybe like stripes huh uh maybe it's a kind of demarcation i'm marmorated sounds like marasupial yeah they have a little pocket maybe they do maybe they have a little pocket maybe that's where the stink goes they just pull it out and throw it in your face maybe i don't know um so the brown marmorated

stink bug it eats everything okay is that rain oh damn yeah it like they like to come in the inside in the fall and winter and spring and then they leave the house in the summer and eat everything they eat like all the vegetables all the pumpkins fruits well they just nibble on it yeah but what is so interesting to me about them is that they have negative what do they call this i think they call it negative geopolitics meaning that they always seek out the highest spot. They hate being close to the ground. So like when they like sort of nest up

in winter or whatever they've documented this on like dorm buildings and stuff. They will go to the very top floor. No that explains a lot. Is that weird?

Why do they do that? That's very weird. I don't know. Getting above you know above water. Yeah.

That way you can see all your haters from up there. Don't talk shit about my stink. Yeah. They don't have access to Google Earth, so they have to get high. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. That's cool.

It's pretty cool. They also have this thing called Thigmataxis. Okay. stigmataxis okay which is the tendency in animals to seek out content uh contact contact with another species in of themselves or um an object so that's why you find them most like concentrated behind large paintings underneath pillows so what are they trying to do? They're trying to get as crunched together as possible. Oh, wow. Yeah.

They like to cuddle. They like to cuddle. Huh. Yeah. Like if humans had it. It's back. You made it. You made it.

We're talking about. We were struggling with that. We really were. We were talking about Thigmotaxis, man. That's where I got it. I was about to talk about what I learned this week, which about Emmett Till. I was a bat board. You weren't that bored? You thought it was pretty interesting?

Yeah. We were talking about stink bugs. We were talking about brown marmorated stink bugs. I heard Emmett Till. And I was like, I got pretty goddamn heavy. Yeah, sorry. We were just sharing what we learned this week, and I was listening to that book, The Blood of Emmett Till.

Oh, okay, okay. And Terrence was learning about stink bugs. That's what I, that's, you know, that's a step. What did you learn this week? I've just stayed up really late for that Kanye album that never came the other night. It did come. I mean, it came the next, well, not the next day, but you know. Did you watch basketball?

I did watch basketball. Is there a game tonight? Sunday. It's game two. Okay. Damn. Well, another thing about the stink bug. Since we reached that end with Tom's knowledge.

Another thing I learned about, about though not the stink bug as uh about the rocky mountain locust okay the rocky mountain locust was like at plague levels in the in the 19th century in the 18th and 19th century it would just like descend on farms is that the locust that's in Days of Heaven? I think it's pretty much the same. Got it. But it went extinct by the end of the 19th century. Around the early 1900s, 1910s, it went extinct. And scientists aren't necessarily sure why.

They kind of speculate that maybe humans were able to successfully eradicate them and hunt them to death, but that's not established. So, if you're going to be plagued today, it's likely that locusts won't be what's befalling you. Yeah. Right.

So is there something that's replaced the locust in the... In the food chain? In the 11... Is it 11 plagues? 10 plagues? I would say leprosy's still in play if you're playing with armadillos. Yeah. No armadillos carry leprosy?

Really? I think that's true. Did not know that know that yeah that's a good question though remember john the baptist liked to eat locusts my man liked to fucking roast them shits and put it in honey basically like a cricket yeah i bet it's probably pretty good yeah a lot of protein um but yeah no the at one point in Missouri there's another weird thing about it they were such a problem

in Missouri the state of Missouri was paying people like up to a dollar a pound of dead locusts like they they were commanding

their citizens man woman and child to eradicate these things they put signs with locusts that like wanted dead or alive instead of a paper route

you just like go kill some fucking locusts that wanted dead or alive. Instead of a paper route, you just go kill some fucking locusts. Exactly. Bring them in a bag. They wanted that. Wow. Yeah. Do you know about diatomaceous earth? Oh, yeah.

And hippies eat it? Yeah, hippies eat it. What is this? But it can also keep bugs away. Yeah, it's really effective at killing fleas. Yeah. Oh, is this the dust you put on your floors when you got fleas in your house? Yeah.

But cats and dogs are fine to be around it? Yeah, yeah. But hippies like to eat it. Is it like a digestion thing? I've heard that it's edible. I've heard that people eat it. Yeah. But you have to get the edible version.

You had bags and bags of that in the house when I moved down. Or moved back in. Yeah, I did. I used to use it because Leon had it. But the way that it actually kills the fleas is this dust that gets underneath their exoskeleton and essentially causes them to shed and lose their exoskeletonons so they just dry out and die like the most painful probably just like could you imagine just like mass tragedy on a scale like that i have a hard time is it humane sympathy for fleas i know or tits i hate fucking so it's not so it so it's so

it is humane basically is what you're saying something so small, even if it's an immense pain for them, it's just not, you know. Very brief, yeah. In the, like, percentage of pain in the world, it's just nothing. If you are really, like, animal rights, if you're really into animal rights and everything, which I guess I would be conceptually, philosophically, but, like, where do you draw the line at?

It's like, where does life begin? Right. It's like, where does life begin? Begin with a heartbeat? Fleas have caused untold suffering to cats, dogs, rodents, humans, even if you only look at the plague, which I think has been debunked. It wasn't caused by fleas, though, right?

It was caused by... But think about the circus. Think about the flea circus. Think about all the joy that is brought to people through the flea circus. So we shouldn't eradicate them. Flea markets, too? Yeah, you're right.

It is a part of our culture now. Okay, they've done. Wake up. They have made contributions to our society. What are the origins of the flea market? Like, why is it called that? That's one of those things I've never stopped to ask. I think I knew this at one point.

Maybe there was a market, and then all the items that people brought in to this specific part of the market had fleas on it. So they're like, that's the flea market. Yeah, that's good. That's probably true. If you go to any flea market now, there's probably a high percentage of fleas.

I've studied history. I know how history unfolds. I know how it unfolds. Yeah. What about, to circle it, circle it back around, what about Flea? Oh, Anthony Kiedis' friend?

The drummer. Oh. Yeah. The drummer who looks exactly like Will Ferrell. Do you think he's susceptible to diatomaceous earth? I don't know. That's where the nickname came from. Somebody should douse him in it in a show. All I know about Flea is that he's a huge L.A. Lakers fan.

Really? Yeah. I'm not sure why that's relevant to you all or my audience. I just thought it was kind of interesting. Well, so that's all that's the all the knowledge i know red hot chili peppers are a really bad band aren't they i used to love them though i hate to admit it i used to love it i know people that have actually pretty really astute musical taste and opinions that that actually make arguments for the red hot Chili Peppers, but I can't. Is it Hootman?

Not that guy. Not that guy. Oh, but I have a hard time getting past Roasted. When they talk about rap music is the music that makes them think. Right. Yeah. Red Hot Chili Peppers are all about that. Wait, wait. Is that what they say? Fans of rap music is the music that makes them think. Right. Yeah. Red Hot Chili Peppers are all about that.

Wait, wait. Is that what they say? Fans of rap music? No, like Anthony Kiedis. That's an Anthony Kiedis lick. Oh, I see. Really? He's talking about rap music

and it's the music because a lot of people forget Red Hot Chili Peppers were kind of on that like rap rock tip for a little bit. Yeah. You know?

Yeah. I don't know. Maybe they've got some I always like the can that comes out I'm like you like hell yeah baby that sounds like I thought you were gonna go in it California yeah the spread out chili peppers are pretty going to California. Oh, yeah. Yeah, the Red Hot Chili Peppers are pretty bad. They're pretty bad. I think it's hard to justify liking

them now. But, yeah, definitely were in high school. Listening to him in my friend's basement. I was like, really into John Frusciante. Obviously. scar tissue. Yeah.

Do you ever reach a point like in your late twenties to early thirties where you even hesitate to say anything about your past because of how cliche and just, um, you know, yeah. It's like, Oh, I guess I'm not original or unique person at all. This is why I'm going back through old journals to find that seed of originality. It's gotta be there somewhere. That's, that's a needle in a haystack Emily.

Maybe I was really, you probably not pretty weird. Yeah. You were probably original, but I was probably pretty, uh, I still am. I like some cheesy stuff for sure.

Yeah. I was, uh, I was really, one of my favorite bands was Savage Garden. Really? Remember Savage Garden? Yeah, oh yeah. I was really into Savage Garden for some reason. I really, and I still think that the hipsters of the future might listen to Savage Garden.

So what's their hit again? They had the Cherry Cola song. Oh. You know that one? It's worse than I thought. I was thinking of Soundgarden maybe. What's their hit again? They had the Chicka Cherry Cola song. Oh. You know that one? It's worse than I thought. I was thinking of Soundgarden maybe. No, Soundgarden's acceptable.

I think Soundgarden's a good band. Chris. Yeah, Chicka Cherry Cola. Yeah, Soundgarden. I never really got into grunge music. I did like Pearl Jam though. I liked a lot of PJ. I was a lot of PJ I was like I was a classic rock person

I like dabbled in Music of the era But I Did really love And still sort of do Jethro Tull Oh yeah Yeah

Wow Yeah Didn't think I'd find support With these guys I like I still listen to Black Oak Arkansas Molly Hatchet,

and some of those bands that are early appropriators of the Confederate flag. Oh, I don't know those bands. Leonard Skinner. Did Goose Creek ever use the Confederate flag? No. They were more of a hippie band. Good on you, Goose Creek. That's good.

of a hippie band. Good on ya, Goose Creek. That's good. But they wrote, Lord, won't you buy me for Janis Joplin. Oh, really? Who was her band that sang that? Big Brother and the Holding Company? Yeah, and the Holding Company, yeah.

Other guilty pleasures. This is, I like this discussion, because I consider you two connoisseurs of good music. Hey, did you hear that, Emily? You actually have of good music. Hey, did you hear that, Emily? You actually have a record label. Wow, did you hear that, Emily? Thanks, Tom. You can't start a record label.

I've been lumped in with you. You're like, God damn it. I thought my music days was good. All right. Guilty pleasures. Guilty pleasures for music. Yeah. The house pie.

Yeah, like what's on my like my running playlist yeah i have some well i i rotate in through some things but um i've been into the i don't feel guilty i don't basically i don't feel guilty about it but something i might not admit well i would admit this something that like you that people might turn their nose up at. Like Ace of Base. Yeah, I like Lorde. Aren't Ace of Base real Nazis? Are they for real?

I think they're like, I saw the sign, it's about coded white nationalism. About the swastika? What about all that she wants is another baby? Speak it. That's white nationalist, you're right. She wants another white're right she wants another white baby to populate the earth for a thousand years what else like i'm just trying to think of pop stuff i like like the judds but i don't feel guilty about that

you know what's interesting about stuff like that is 10 years ago, like if you listen to the Judds, that might have been a guilty pleasure. Yeah, yeah. I think it's the same thing with like the sort of shoegaze sort of revival. Like maybe if you listen to like New Order or bands like that, maybe at a certain time that would have been considered like kind of, now it's cool

but then it would have been like Yeah, yeah. It's not old enough yet. Yeah. I'm pulling out my Spotify. I like Lyle Lovett. Let's see what else we got. Lyle Lovett cut me... Juice Newton. Juice Newton.

Oh, yeah. Totally. I saw Lyle Lovett and Jack White having dinner. Whoa, really? At the bar in Husky, Nashville. That's a weird looking duo. And it was just them two and then me and my girlfriend at the time in there.

And I was just gawking and they knew I was gawking. It was really embarrassing. Yeah. I have a really funny story. It's not that funny. Just a really weird thing happened to me this week. I went to go do laundry at the laundry map. Or this was last week, actually.

And I opened up the dryer to put my shit in there, and there was a fucking turd. There was a single turd in there in the dryer. Yeah, and it had been heated up. It had been heated up. How did it stay together? I don't know. The only thing I can think of is that it was, like,

in somebody's underwear or something. And they didn't know, and they dried their thing. That is so gross. But it had been rolling around in there. It was disgusting. So you hear the name Wild Love and Juice Newton. I know. Just shitting on our guilty pleasures over here.

I wasn't trying to shit on them. I love Genuine's My Pony, one of my all-time favorite songs. That's not a guilty pleasure. That song is so good Imagine like Have you ever read the oral history Of how that song was produced No but I would love to

There is an oral history And Oral history nerd over here After Missy Elliott's show I love oral history Not you I love an oral Timbaland took Missy Elliott And the whole crew

To Denny's for the all-star breakfast At 3am after a concert And he ate the all-star breakfast And got bad gas And that Is him That's not real That's not real.

I swear, that's Timbaland burping it. That's folklore, baby. That's Timbaland burping into a vocoder and looping it. Oh my God. This is like, that's what I did with my Casio keyboard and my brother and I did when we were eight. It's called genius. Just burping to that Casio.

Sample it. But you know, it's kind of this, you know, like everybody gets sexy on the dance floor when that song comes out, but it's just a guy with bad gas. Right. Right. Cool.

That's my... I'll think about it every time. A lot of the ideas you do have as an eight or nine year old are probably the best ones you'll ever come up with. It is weird how it works that way. That's true. Such ass. Well, when I was a kid, I had this idea that I was like really into viruses.

And I had this. Okay. When I was like nine years old, I was like, man, what if you could somehow eradicate the virus using bacteria? And actually, that's kind of been true. That's how phages work, right? Somehow. Yeah, actually, some viruses can be. Basically, I'm bragging on myself for being an incredibly brilliant kid.

Totally. And prolific and precocious. That's the word I was really looking for. Yeah. Probably the most precocious person That's the word I was really looking for. Yeah. Probably the most precocious person in this room right now. No argument here. Not even going to touch it. I'm aloof and disinterested and everything. God damn it.

Damn. I think maybe it was my peak creativity. Yeah. I don't know if the ideas were that great, but had a lot of them. You don't have any inhibitions at that age. It's just like unadulterated art. I'm now in my Kanye phase. I can tell.

Yeah. I'm trying to make really grand grand statements about like art and stuff using these really all right anyways let's let's close this one down and get on with our our day you have anything you want to plug Emily before we go you're you're uh I'll let you plug it I was going to record label go ahead in a book go ahead emily's gonna be an author you've ever been an author before um yeah you are you are really i have are you a published author i mean i have some four i've written two forwards that's what i'm in the business of that's that's that's authorship that's two more than i've ever written um yeah i'm actually not really an author.

I'm more of an editor on this book, but yeah. Yeah, JK, JK, JK. Emily's editing a book about, it's called, it's coming out from Belt Publishing. It's called 55 United, or is it 55 Strong? I think it's 55 United. I think it's United. Oh, yeah.

So, yeah. It's Elizabeth Katt, Jessica Salfia, who's a West Virginia teacher. Uh-huh. And I, through Belt, my role is basically the photos and interviews that I was doing during the teacher strike. Yeah. It's like the visual record and then, um, transcripts of interviews with teachers and some UMWA guys and some students

who were at the rally. Just Tim Blake. Cause he was UMWA. He was there with his red bandana. Showing support. Yep. Which, uh,

your, your, uh, field interviews from that is our second most listened to you're beating Ron Swanson whoa and just trail R.L. Stevens by a little bit I should contact NBC

let them know that the oral history it has a future yeah it's very commercially viable it is, It really is. So that's up for pre-order right now? That's up for pre-order, and you can buy an extra copy for a West Virginia teacher.

Hell yeah. And we're trying to get free copies for West Virginia teachers as much as possible. Yeah, beltpublishing.com. 55 strong and or united. I think it's united. I think it's united. Look it up.

55 united. Yeah. And then you have a record label. Yeah, we started a record label. You got a lot of things in the iron. I got projects. I got irons in the fire. Irons in the fire? Fires in the iron.

You got a lot of things in the iron. I got projects. Yeah. My idi? I got irons in the fire. Irons in the fire? Fires in the iron. You got a lot of things in the iron. I got projects. Yeah. My idioms are mostly just cobbled together. It's the way I stay. Right. Stay sane. Yeah.

Keep things in motion. Keep things in motion. But yeah, so my friend Sally Morgan and Sarah Henson and I started this record label called spinster um we've been we've been talking about it for a long time right um and they came back from tour with a guy who has a label and they were like if Dylan has a label we can have a label this idiot can do but actually so our first release is joint with Dylan, uh, Scissortail Records. And, uh, he's been a really big help. So can't, can't dunk on Dylan.

Shut up. I wasn't. No, no, no, no. I mean, I maybe was a little bit, but. Just a little light ribbing. No, no. He's been great. Uh, and yeah, our first release is this woman rosalie she's a

philly musician uh she has an awesome band it's um angel olsen's guitarist and the drummer for moron drugs and mary latimore the harp harpist right yeah anyway it's also our band and rosalie what's her last name middle man she just She just plays under the name Rosalie. And that's going to be out July 8th. No, July 6th. That's the Friday. But yeah, we're focusing on women musicians and elder women musicians. So really commercially viable stuff.

Going to be top of the charts well yeah we'll just keep plugging you and so thanks um true billy's fans get on your spotify's and just loop it overnight it sounds like you've got actually you've got actual talents whereas we are just uh constantly you guys got talent we're looking we're looking for a record dude yeah we could do we could get an old uh you know how folkways did the spoken word records oh yeah we'll put out a spoken word record can we do a record we should we really should yeah we like an evening with the trill billies you know they had all those studs turkle records. Yeah. Him interviewing musicians. Right. Yeah, let's do it. All commercially viable. Maybe we'll start with tapes.

You're right. Set tapes. Yeah, you're right. You always got to start out small. You got to hawk your set tapes at the punk show and everything. At the flea market. The flea market. Right, right.

All right. So, Spinster Records, Rosalie Middleman. Yeah, Rosalie. Rosalie? She just, yeah, you can find her on spotify rosalie okay spinstersounds.com i think we're calm spinstersounds.com that's good yeah um if you're dot org you'd probably be like a non-profit non-profit we might get it you're a dot might get a non-profit arm

we might get a non-profit arm No we're socialized Socialized record label That's true Yeah that's true Spencer sounds dot gov Nationalize the record It's where your tax dollars are going Is that what Trump Trump national

That's what he was doing When he came to West Virginia Listen folks Spencer records Gonna be huge We love your female made music We love it Rosalie she's incredible talent

Yep Cool We love your female-made music. We love it. Rosalie, she's an incredible talent. Yep. Cool. Thanks for having me, guys. Yeah, thank you for coming, and thank you for vitalizing our local economy with your dollars. Yeah, you're welcome. Gotta go get out there and spend some more money.

Yeah, that's right Shop local Right Alright well I guess we'll See you all Next time You think we could get

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