Trillbilly Worker's Party - Episode 92: Cheating The Weights (w/ special guest Chad Vigorous)

Episode Date: April 12, 2019

Friend of the show Chad Vigorous (@prettybadlefty) drops in to talk Assange, ecofascism, Bernie, and weightlifting. Support Chad's Patreon here: www.patreon.com/ExpandTheDiscourse And support our Patreon here: www.patreon.com/trillbillyworkersparty

Hey, Chad. Hey, how you doing? Hey, Chad, put a shirt on, man. You're making us all look like wusses over here. You're definitely, this is definitely the most muscles we've ever had on this podcast. I mean, I get that a lot. That's kind of your thing, though. I mean, only recently.

Actually, everyone thought I was really skinny up until like four months ago. Did I just like change my profile pic to like a full body shot. Wait, what happened? What's going on now? Did you get more followers after that? No, I get less followers, I think, actually. I think that people like see the name Chad Vigorous in like a muscular person coming across their feed. And they go like, this can't possibly be what this can't possibly

end well i've wondered about like um okay that's good there we go oh yeah i've wondered about like because my avi or whatever profile pic is not me and so so I've wondered if I made it me if I could get more followers or if I'm just fucking, you know what I'm saying? Yours is the recently departed Luke Perry. Luke Perry. Yeah, poor guy. Gone too soon, I think. May he rest in peace. May he rest in peace.

Yeah, no, I've heard that if you have a profile pic of you and you're looking good, you'll get more followers. That's what I've been told. Anyways. I don't think that's true. I mean, I think it depends on what your kind of niche is. I think on the left, I think that having a profile pic that's just a muscular dude. And I will admit that I'm ironically fit. Like I got fit in college because I was incredibly bored.

And then I never really tried to get like muscles. I just didn't eat properly for like five years. I just ate everything. Then like I met, like I met this chick who had lost like 150 pounds. And she was like, maybe you should try like walking your food. And then I lost some weight well while we're on the topic of um you know looking good looking you know hygienic looking whatever i want to pull y'all i want to pull you two gentlemen on your opinion about something so um damn here it comes.

Yeah, here it comes. I have to go to a wedding next weekend. Is it too early to wear seersucker? No. No. No. It's never too early. You wear seersucker in the dead of winter, in my opinion.

It's in Texas, too, right? Yeah, it's in Texas. Oh, you're fine. I thought it was from early May to Labor Day. I've always heard you can't wear a seersucker after Labor Day. No, no. If you know the rules, you can break them. I will also admit that I'm incredibly tacky.

The only reason that I'm incredibly in shape is because it makes it easier to buy clothes. Honestly, it's just like you wear something tight and people are like, oh, that's a nice shirt. It's not a nice shirt. It's a picture of – it's a graphic tee from It's like a picture of, like it's a graphic tee from a Target with like a picture of Spider-Man on it. And I'm pretty sure that's a cum stain on the bottom. And people are like, oh, like I'm just incredibly muscular.

They go, oh yeah, I can see that. We're going to send you a Trill Billy shirt, which might end up having Garfield holding a piece of coal on it. So you can. That sounds amazing. You can, you know, you can fit that out with those. Hell yeah.

Those 22 inches. What is, what is that? What's, what's going on over there, Chad? I don't measure things. Oh, come on. Come on. First of all, like, I think it's sad. I personally, I think it's sad that, you know, I think a lot of things are sad.

But I think it's sad that some people are like lifting for the gram. They're lifting to take photos. They're lifting. Because that to me said that you're cheating the weight. It's like, you know, and I know it's a meme now that people think it's a meme to cheat the weight. But that's just, that's also sad. It's sad to me. What does it mean to cheat the weight exactly?

It means to not give it your all. It means to go into the gym. It means to, like, you know, muscle things up, have bad form, not stick to the fundamentals, you know, take long breaks to flirt in front of the weight, to step over the weight, to sit on the weight, to not re-ractorate, to slam the weight, to drop the weight. I'm going to put this out there. You know, the weight shows up for you-ractorate, to slam the weight, to drop the weight. I'm going to put this out there. The weight shows up for you. Every time. Every time. Every time you go to the gym,

25 pounds is 25 pounds. But some days you don't show up for it, and I don't know what to say. And some people think that's funny. Some people think that's a joke, but I don't. It shows how far America has decayed. Chad, I'm going to be honest with you. I feel like I might not have showed up for the wait a few times.

Listen, the wait, listen. First of all, that's happened to all of us. You can't show up for the wait every time. It's the same thing else in life. Sometimes you go to school. You don't show up prepared. Sometimes you're in a relationship. You don't show up and give it your time uh you know it's like same thing else in life sometimes you go to school you don't show up prepared sometimes you're in a relationship you don't show up give and give it your all and that's fine but like you know because you're a human the weight is the weight the weight's not a human obviously it's it's it's uh you know it's iron or like i don't

know stainless steel i don't know what they make it out of that's not that's not my that's not my that's not my thing i don't i don't fuck whatever like i guess rubber too because there's pad any we're getting off track the point is you gotta show up like 80 in the time for the weight you got at least 80 80 20 i'm with that let me i'll tell you this the the most successful weightlifting program i ever went on was comrade follyeve's program you ever seen this on the t-nation boards I've seen so many different programs but I think you should probably you know lay it out for both me and your listeners because I don't remember it well comrade Folleve and this is a character that's probably mostly apocryphal a lot of people think it's just the alter ego of Pavel Satsuline

A lot of people think it's just the alter ego of Pavel Satsulin. You know Pavel Satsulin? I do. Yeah. Pavel's a bad—I think he was former KGB, and now I think he trains like Army Rangers or some shit. Uh-huh. Well, anyway, his whole thing is ruthless elimination of the unessential. So it's just all the old-school lifts, you know, bench, squat, deadlift.

Right. Occasional clean and jerk in there a little bit if you're training for competition. But his thing was you just train one lift per day and that's it. But you never max out. You always leave a couple reps in the bank. But other than that, you don't cheat the weight. So like one lift, you mean just like one, you know, one bench press well not one rep but you know on this program hey well his his big promise was that you know you could see like a 600 increase in strength and like whatever amount of time i don't know if i got

600 but i got i got really strong really quick on something like that. I mean, the funny thing is, I get a lot of, all joking aside, I do leave my DMs open for people who just want to send me or ask me questions about weightlifting or fitness advice or nutrition advice. Because I am a certified personal trainer, and I do have a background in nutrition as well. But the answer to most people's problems like questions you know the unsexy answer is like well you actually just have to go yeah show up you have to show up to the gym and like so many people just like i mean the number of people it's gonna sound bad who i mean it's true though like who like consistently go and i mean consistently like two to three stick to a program for like a long period of time consistently go and don't see results is so minuscule when you compare it to the people who like think they're going enough, but really go like once a week, you know, skip, you know, go for four weeks, then stop going for three months.

The people who don't like necessarily, I don't even care if you watch your diet, frankly, because like, that's like, that's unless your goal is actually to lose weight and like, you know, you know, cut, like that's kind of irrelevant to be, but like, if you're, if you want to see whatever progress you want to see, you have to actually go and tailor your program to that kind of progress. Uh, that can be a difficult aspect of it where it's like, okay, well, I, you know, I want to be able to run a marathon and I went to the gym and deadlifted four times a week. And now I can i can you know i can fucking deadlift three times my body weight but i get winded i get winded that'll happen to you yeah it's like but that's like that's even that is kind of just like discordance but like but you know but it's really just like you gotta show up like i don't really have any special tricks for how to get in shape i'm actually just like a dumb ass but i just went

consistently for like eight years and i think the longest i've ever taken off from going to the gym without it being an injury is like two weeks and that was just like uh you know i kind of just had a flu yeah so i mean it really is just like consistency with anything else in life is you show up you don't cheat yourself you don't treat the weight you don't cheat america that's right uh well actually you actually you can cheat america like i said respect respect the weight room respect other lifters don't respect the law and don't respect the police got it vigorous is maxim i have a lot of vigorous well you can't honestly i have a mild lisp i probably shouldn't say the word of vigorous-isms. Honestly, I have a mild lisp.

I probably shouldn't say the word vigorous-ism on people's podcasts. That is a lot of fun to say, though. It is. Oh, man. Well, you came to the right place to drop off the vigorous-isms. We're here for them. We're here for them, for sure. Well, so, Chad, welcome to the show.

Thanks for coming on. No, thank you for having me. Big fan, big fan. Yeah, same. Yeah. Same. Yeah, we've been wanting to do this for a while. And it's just so nerve-wracking for me to ask people to be guests on our show because I'm just always thinking, like, what if they think we're stupid or don't like us?

Yeah, and I'm sure this happened before. So they think we're stupid or don't like us or something. Yeah and I'm sure this happened before. So I had to bit up the nerve to ask you. I'm glad it came together. No one is dumber or more what's the word I'm looking for? Less likely to say no. I'm like the Nicolas Cage

of podcasts. I'm just happy to be places. Prodigiously talented but you'll just take anything i'm not anything i mean i mean i wouldn't be on joe rogan show but i would be in the joe rogan show if he offered uh but i wouldn't you know i wouldn't go on like i don't know david duke's podcast right like yeah d3 which is probably going to get him sued for, I don't know, like Mighty Ducks. Yeah, that's right. That's a violation. But no, no, I'm definitely glad to be on here. I'm a big fan of your podcast, big fan of your Twitter presence. So I'm trying to put on sleeves.

Yeah. Well, we thank you for doing it. We got a, I guess we got an itinerary of some things to talk about, some things that happened this week. Yeah. It's funny because today, three big stories popped off, and just everything we had planned to talk about just kind of pales in comparison. So it's like-

That's true. We had to call a little bit of an audible here, but- Yeah, yeah, yeah. So what was the biggest thing that happened today? So in my estimation, okay, and I don't want to rank any of these things, but I think the first thing maybe we should kick it off with is the big Julian Assange story. Okay, yeah, yeah. Because there's a lot of pretty bad takes on this, I think, pretty bad takes on this, I think.

Mostly from the people that are like, you know, I guess just, you know, focusing on what a piece of shit he is or whatever. But also just not really paying attention to the repercussions of what it means for a free press. Yeah. And so, anyway, I would say let's kick it off there,

and then we'll work our way down to the consent condoms if time allows. I mean, really, they're related, I suppose, and if you think hard enough about it. Yeah, really. They really are. Yeah, that's true. Well, I was really shocked to see Assange. I guess it kind of looks like he hasn't really seen the light of day in a few years, actually.

Yeah. I think literally he's got like vitamin D deficiency. Yeah. I remember a doctor wrote this thing in The Guardian. It was like, he wrote an op-ed and the op-ed was just about Julian Assange needs care. He looks like hell. His blood work's shitty and all this stuff. Well, yeah.

I mean, he's just been living in an embassy, right? Right. For a few years. The Ecuadorian embassy. So do you know the process? What happened? They just decided to kick him out? So I guess the Brits, right?

Chad, the Brits got him on behalf of the U.S. VA. Oh, are they trying to extradite him to the U.S.? I think that's the deal. I'm not sure what the process by which he ends up getting kicked out of the embassy actually was. It was actually, I think, you know, a lot of people I know were talking about it, and they said they expected it to happen around this time. But I think for the most part it the entire saga of wiki leaks and julian assange and also sort of chelsea manning you can kind of wrap that in there

is really ultimately a sad one because like the like it seemed as though julian assange and chelsea manning are going to be the only two people who go to jail for like the war crimes in iraq and like they were the ones who exposed them and it just brings to mind the fact that you know we went through this whole period of time under obama eight years ago i guess well 10 years ago now um where it was supposedly that we don't look back we don't look back on crimes we don't look back you know we have to as a country move forward and you know if we just keep focusing on all the things the Bush administration did, the torture, the, you know, the extra legal assassinations that, you know, that happened under Bush and Obama, we're going

to end up like as a country being mired in the sort of like the bad things, right? We're going to be in the, you know, we're going to have to have a national conversation about America as like not a benevolent actor at the global level. And that's really what it feels like because ultimately it's just like no one went to jail for the information that WikiLeaks leaked. No one went to jail for the information that Chelsea Manning leaked.

Really, it was more like, and in fact, people really don't even talk about it anymore. Yeah. It feels like it was more like and in fact people really don't even talk about it anymore yeah yeah it feels like it feels like it was a mild embarrassment and like what you know what this is all about is that it was a minor blow but even like even a minor blow is too big of a blow to the idea that america is just like this benevolent foreign actor that is like operating on a global scale in a way that makes the world a better place as opposed to just like a malicious one. Yeah.

Oh, you're absolutely right. I mean, you make a really good point. I hadn't really thought about that. It's like we don't we don't talk about what information Chelsea Manning leaked. I mean, like these are videos of American helicopter pilots strafing civilians and stuff like that. We're talking about just straight up genocidal Third Reich shit. And it's like, you're absolutely right. They're the two that will be prosecuted for it and have to pay the price and will be the

only two. I mean, it does seem like a really tragic end to a long sort of protracted story. Did y'all see this thing that Hillary Clinton, when asked about the reverberating effect of Julian Assange's whistleblowing, was that the only two people whose lives were inalterably changed according to hillary clinton where ben ali the former tunisian dictator whose whose credibility was just shot after juliet assange you know revealed all this stuff and then some senator i forget what his name was that like just totally went unpunished and went back to like his post and like that was it and that's all that she could produce but like you know that's incredible i mean of course you know the i the people but the people who were inexorably sorry not inexorably but sort of

indisputably punished for the information that was leaked are like the people in the middle east who like we are continually bombing right punishment but it feels very much like you know we talk about how you know the information kind of went in one ear and out the other and a lot of that has to do with what i think is just the discordance that exists within most people's heads as a result of them like internalized neoconservatism and i talk about this a lot because we have you know in our media and we have in our society neocons right people who we can identify your crystals your david froms your sort of dick cheney's your uh michael bolton's is michael

bolton right that's that's the singer john bolton john bolton john bolton walrus yeah the lorax but you know yeah exactly the the war axe but anyway uh like we have people Yeah, the Lorax. They don't like they've never seen a country that that doesn't need to be invaded or potentially invaded. Right. And but what that kind of obscures. And I say this works for a lot of things, whether it be neoliberalism, racism, sexism, misogyny, homophobia, is that like within all of us is like the like we're all indoctrinated with sort of the same tenets that they embody and the more extreme versions of it, which is like America's a benevolent global actor. And so when you talk about what Julian Assange and Chelsea Manning revealed, it's like that idea of America is committing war crimes. We have it on footage. You know, it just sort of, it's like a Westworld thing.

It's like, this doesn't look like anything to me. It's like, because how could it? Because America can't do something like that. And I think that, you know, for every person that it wakes up who goes like, because how could it? Because America can't do something like that. Right. And I think that, you know, for every person that it wakes up who go like, wow, I'm literally looking at what looks like that one, you know, video from the running man where 12 people who see it once in the news who hear about it once in their papers and then it just you know it just goes they just forget about it because it's not what they want to believe to be true about america then you have another sector people who get angry you get angry that someone might impugn the honor of american foreign policy might

impugn the morality of america and that's like just a visceral reaction that they have. Yeah, no, you're, you're right. I mean, like we don't really, that's the really weird thing about this is just the amnesia we have for those years in general. And I think it's part of this sort of internalized neoconservative conservatism. It's like, you know, we just don't talk about how those how dramatically those years shaped American life. And I mean, shit, there was things that I believed up until, you know, a few years ago, just pretty recently that I feel like we're sort of drilled into my head through indoctrination and things from those years. Go on such as.

Well, I don't know you. For example, you're toldan is the bad guy i believe that or i mean i didn't believe it but you know it's not like i was like whatever but you know i think on a subconscious level i was at least sort of wary or something until i went to college and actually met people who were from iran and you know like you just i'm just saying like there are things from that era that we just you're right. We just sort of internalize and we don't we don't question or challenge. No, I agree. And I think that, you know, I think we're also going to that concept of Islamophobia into the conversation,

because it's not just like the explicit racism or the explicit Islamophobia or the explicit neoconservatism of the Republicans or the reactionaries or the far right. that kind of implied implicit, you know, the same sort of aspects, the same sort of systemic problems that are embodied by the policies of the Democrats, right? So I think that one of the biggest failures of the Obama administration, besides not looking back and having a real reckoning with what happened under the Bush administration, was amping up the war, continuing to, you know, to spreading it further, continuing like sort of continuing this indiscriminate bombing of the Middle East under the guise or the coded term of the war on terror, and expecting that to not have an effect on the way the country views Muslims,

or views the Middle East, or views Islam altogether, or views Arab people, or people who even like resemble arab people like sikhs right because they have the turbans and so you say to yourself okay well you know the democrats don't use the phrase um they don't use the phrase sort of radical islamic terror they don't use the they know they don't use the phrase or say that we know we're at war with islam they just bomb the countries but countries. But people are going to think about that.

If they are not necessarily consciously thinking about the fact that the war machine is spreading to seven different countries that we're indiscriminately bombing the Middle East, on a subconscious level, when you combine that with the implied morality of the United States of America, people say, okay, well, then those must be bad people over there. If we're bombing that country, if we're bombing those people, they must be bad, right?

They must have done something. Or if they haven't done something, perhaps they're just inherently bad, right? And that's the kind of language the Republicans use. And unfortunately, the Democrats don't really have a good counter narrative for that because they just they just stay silent on it and we just have to keep bombing them. Yeah, no, that is a really good point it's like we you know the thing is like we talk about obama like the drone president but it's really interesting like i mean he was so much more than that like we forget that one of the first things he did was escalate the war in afghanistan in 2009 um it's like what is that that? That's war making. The guy

just continued a war with zeal. You know, not like he did it like, you know, they've got my hands tied behind my back. And you know, we've talked a lot about that on the show. How our understanding of power and the

establishment is so you know, I think we have this very sort of rudimentary understanding that it's like the conservatives are the baddest, the Democrats are a little less bad, but it's just like you kind of have to have a little more of like a dialectical understanding, like the two badnesses feed into each other and create something really, really bad. I mean, even worse than that, I think think that like you know the the kind of lesser of two evils argument people make relies on these like these evils being you know unreflective on

their own evilness like and i think that's like the issue when it comes to democratic party sometimes where it's like they know that the republican party is bad it's like they can't possibly not know that i think it's impossible to like think republic. It's like they can't possibly not know that. It's impossible to think Republicans are good. I don't accept that the Democratic Party really thinks that the Republican Party, the party of Trump, the party of David Dukes without the baggage, the party of the pro-family, the pro-rape party of family values. They can't possibly think those are good people but like a i think it's even worse they're like codependent

with them which is which is weird right they rely on them so heavily to to sort of disguise their own not necessarily ineptitude because they're not always so inept it's just like to disguise the fact that their party has kind of devolved into a Ponzi scheme for consulting. And I think that's a issue, like where you can, where they have a hard time coming up with proactive messaging that is divorced from what the Republicans are doing, that is divorced from like, okay, well, you know, if you don't vote for us, you get them. And I think that's dangerous. I think, you know, at the end of the day, it's dangerous to have a party that is so reliant. Or rather, it's dangerous to have an opposition party that is so reliant on the other party being so bad that they look good because it doesn't really preclude them actually doing better. Right. It doesn't preclude them to do better. It doesn't sort of spur them to do better if they think that they can just get away with not being so bad. And I think people, I think people like people say, Hey, you know what? Like it's either socialism

or barbarism. And that has kind of become like the meme. And I think it's true. I mean, I think it's true more or less, but I think you have to understand that the democratic party is not necessarily committed to socialism or even moving left. I think they're, I think what they're committed to where they find their, their most brand viability is like keeping america and american people perched over the precipice of barbarism and because like and like constantly having something to point to that says hey well over like if you don't vote for us you get them and i think that was like that was literally one of their campaign slogans for a little bit they were shopping hey we're not them yeah that was something they their campaign slogans for a little bit. They were shopping. Hey, we're not them.

Yeah, that was something they really floated seriously for a little bit. And again, that's distressing because it turns people off. They're holding us hostage. Yeah. I mean, I grew up – I am poor. I'm working class. Working class in an urban center. am poor i'm working class you know and like yeah working class in an urban center uh and so like i know for a fact that like you know if like the democratic party thinks that like if they're just

not that bad people will come out to vote for them to defeat the republicans but i think most people you know who come from working class backgrounds who are poor who like you know who are dealing with their own lives like if you're not going to actually affect material change from the for them they're just going to not show up at all they'll find some other way to fix their problems it's like but they're not going to just come out for you like they're like they'll they'll be they'll that they will proactively solve their own problems and they're like fuck you you're not you're not doing shit well their their total ineptitude and weakness is um i mean it's gonna I don't know. Like, I've just been thinking about this a lot with the Ilhan Omar stuff.

You know, you had that Washington Post, or I'm sorry, New York Post cover today that was basically. The Twin Towers bloat, right? Yeah. It's like this was the thing. Yeah. I mean, they're going to get her killed or something, man. I mean, it's fucked up. It's just fucked.

And, yeah, no, I just think that just because they can't stand for anything, they have no vision, they're making her even more vulnerable and open to attack and facilitating and creating, bringing out the worst elements in this country, Islamophobic elements and other things. I mean, so, like, yeah, bringing out the worst elements in this country, Islamophobic elements and other things. I mean, so like, yeah, it's, it's disgusting. Right. I think that like, you know, I didn't expect things to get this far, go this far. You know, I don't think crack party's

weak. I know that they had like, they have their own issue with Islamophobia and racism, because how could you not when you expand like the war on crime and the war on drugs and the war on terror which are all just like you know various ways to like say the war on poor the war on brown people the war on the global south so I know they have their own problems you can't do those things without at least at your core like

not valuing the lives of people of color right you know when Hillary when Chelsea Clinton sort of like injected herself into the conversation for for some fucking reason it's just like i i still don't necessarily understand why it's like i guess she's running she's gonna float a 2028 run so she can lose and the clinton foundation can finally go go bankrupt it's just like it's like it just became like this whole thing because like i think what was jarring about it is how the Democratic Party likes to portray themselves, at least to me, right?

So, like, you know, I'm a person of color. I'm a people of color. And so, like, I know the Democratic Party is not really about shit for the most part at their highest level, right? Because, like, there's so many of them. You can't make broad statements about all of them right but like at their highest level you're nancy pelosi's you're chuck schumer's you're steny hoyers you know like you're barack obama's like they're not really about shit just a bunch of ain't shit yeah they yeah you know like they're not really about shit they're not trying to do anything i'm trying they're not really trying to improve the lives of like the

majority of poor americans in any way that is you know comprehensive they've they've in the 90s under bill clinton post reagan even sort of before reagan they largely abandoned like their historical mechanism for arguing why we're better than the republican party and that was like large-scale structural public policies large-scale systemic changes you know no matter how you feel about sort of the racist elements of the of the new deal you know the racist elements of the democratic party you know you know after new deals with the fair deal it's like you can't deny those were like large-scale structural like solutions of problem they should have been multicultural they should have been sort of race conscious they weren't but they were better than what we had at this point which you know which was like now which

is just like what they've replaced those with which is kind of i would argue we went from like race conscious you know we went from like sort of like racist structural programs under fdr and to we've moved to like a well they established a new moral economy that's not built on structural programs we built on like the symbolic language of anti-racism and feminism and like being the party of people of color of women of the lgbtq community as sort of like the you know the opposite of republicans which is the party of like rich white men uh southern white men uh you know basically like white male the white male party and then the other party. And so when they do things like essentially throw a woman of color under the bus, it really reveals that like,

not only have they abandoned structural solutions to problems, they're not even about shit when it comes to standing up for people of color. At least not like once they sort of deviate too far from the norm. It's like, because it felt, it felt like two weeks prior to like elon the elon omar situation um they were they were basically touting her out along with ayanna presley along with aoc along with this sort of this like this cohort of like young you know yeah young women of color yeah there's a big write-up about it in like the rolling stone

or something like that yeah they're all like chumming it up and like hanging like on Nancy Pelosi, right? Yeah, absolutely. On the cover, yeah. They're all like hanging out with Nancy Pelosi, aka Suge Knight. You know, like essentially, you know, like she's Suge Knight and they're death row records. Right.

But like that to me is very revealing of the truth, right? The Democratic Party, or rather the liberal establishment, whatever you want to call them, they only like people of color. They only like people of color's narratives so long as they can be more or less folded into the status quo. You know, like they like people of color

who critique the status quo for maybe like one step to the left of the status quo. Right, right. Whether that be foreign policy, whether that be the economy, whether that be sort of, you know, the Democratic Party itself, anything – basically whatever you can say about the establishment, they want you to be just far enough left to it to be like, oh, well, see, we have a real critique, but not too far left to be off-putting to them and their sponsors. Right. You can have like a generic critique, but if you're like Ileana Omar staring Elliot Abrams down that they take exception to that. Of course, because at the end of the day, like they're a centrist party and they want to make it like in their view of the status quo that it's it's intrinsic to the social order.

It's like everything that's happening in the world right now, the poverty, the violence, the you know know, the not necessarily, not necessarily right now, but let's say prior to 2016, the poverty, the violence, the warfare, the destabilization of global South, that was all part of the plan. You know, that was all within like, those were all, that was all more or less acceptable to, you know, both Democratic Party, Republican Party and the centrists who they represent. But once you sort of move, once you sort of establish critique of capitalism, you establish a critique of capitalism, you establish a critique of the American foreign policy, you establish a critique of neoconservatism, broadly speaking, or American history, or Americans' inherent morality

to sort of be the world police or Israel or whatever, it's like then suddenly you're no longer useful for a democratic party, and that becomes a bigger issue yeah for sure speaking of the democratic party um i thought it was very fascinating how uh so we had it on the agenda to talk about i don't we don't really have to talk about it for very long but the um video of john kerry Thomas Massey. Oh, yeah. Did you watch that, Chad? I didn't watch that video.

What happened with John Kerry? Well, I guess he was summoned before some House Oversight Committee. And to, I don't know, I guess it was about climate change. Let's talk about the president, the team he had assembled. Oh, yeah. John Kerry had called it a kangaroo court or something like that. Aaroo court. Yeah. In an op-ed for the Washington Post. So I thought it was fascinating for several reasons, but mostly like, I thought it was interesting that John Kerry's language is basically like, you know, if you want to fund a new green deal and if you want to, you know to decrease atmospheric carbon or whatever, you've got to tax the 1%.

I don't know. I thought that was a very interesting... What do you make of that? Are people at the top of the Democratic Party, are they starting to tack to the left? There was also that op-ed in the New York Times this week about it's time for the center to work with the left. Did you see that one? Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, I'm always concerned about stuff like that because, like I said, I think that people underappreciate just how easy it is to talk a big game and then not deliver. Right. And I think that was the whole third way thing. Like, you know, the Democratic Party learned how to talk a big game when it came to like LGBTQ representation, uh, anti-racism feminism. And so my concern is that they're learning how to talk a big game when it comes to, uh, you know, let's say structural solutions to problems or anti-poverty solutions to

problems and even climate change. But like, so for, but for me, you know, the, the value in symbolic anti-racism, the, the value in mastering the language of intersectionality is debatable. You can debate how, you know, how useful that is to actually affecting change, but the value of like mastering the language of symbolic climate change of like saying, Oh, we recognize the science of climate change, but we can't do anything we recognize that in order to solve climate change we would have to tax the one percent but we're

not we know we should have a conversation about that but we're not ever going to we're this conversation is going to last about 20 30 years like there's no value in that like that just we're just all going to die yeah that sounds shitty but the truth is it's just like you know we're learning we're learning the like the i, we've learned the limits of, like, having national conversations about things. We've learned the limits of, like, language. And, like, nothing is more inherently illuminating of that than a problem as encroaching and as, you know, visible and material and, like, existential as climate change. We're like, okay, well, if we have this conversation, if we have a national conversation too long about climate change where it's like okay well if we have this conversation if we have a national conversation too long about climate change we're all gonna die

and it's like like you know and it's like there's nothing like there's no there's no uh there's no language you can use to solve that's like to make that okay because you know people are going to be melting and and you know old people are going to be melting and you know old people are going to be melting in phoenix arizona yeah new orleans will not exist anymore miami's gone yeah yeah yeah and well that's the thing that really contributes to the sort of serial out surreal i can't say it hyper normativity or whatever of the current moment is that like because the Democrats are based, you know, as we said, they're stalling. They just want to have a conversation. They're going to keep having a conversation until the world boils.

But in doing that, they're yes, they're explicitly telling us we know the problems exist. There's just nothing we can do about it. And most of us are going to be long dead. Like John Kerry's 75. Dianne Feinstein's like 82. You know like they're going to be gone before the shit really gets bad yeah i mean we're all going to be dead the only person's going to be alive it's like henry kissinger he's going to be he's going to be fucking like in a uh in a shawl wrapped around his face traveling to nuclear wastelands like utah kid with like his irradiated dog we

have with two heads it's gonna be like fallout it'll be fallout with Henry Kissinger some mad mech real fucked up because you know like I bet when his grandchildren buried him in that pet cemetery on Indian burial ground Indian burial ground they didn't think he would go on to be a fucking war criminal, but here we are. Sometimes you just miss peepaw, but he's better off dead. Like he said, man.

No, yeah, you're right. He's the best manifestation or embodiment of a sort of demon-like demon haunting the American political culture for the last i mean i think that this this also goes back to what we were saying about like the democrat party

and their relationship the republican party right where they've constructed a a political culture where simply recognizing problems exists it counts as a win even if you don't do anything about them but like when it comes to climate change it's so stark because like you have one part it's like climate change isn't real or if it is real it's not man-made or if it is man-made we can't do anything about it without like basically bankrupting the country and other parties like climate change is definitely man-made we have to listen to scientists and scientists like, you have to do something. It's like, well, not that much. We can't listen to them.

Whoa, whoa, pal. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Like, go back to your, you know, your math class. We just want to, and, like, they're trying to score points off of not being science deniers, as opposed to,

and, like, and some people fall for that, as opposed to looking at the, sort of, the whole structure and going, we have a party of science deniers. Like, people who, like, just don't believe in climate change, or, like like they're wishy-washy on it but like they're but like that's but for me it's like if you're not willing to do something about it then like you don't seem smarter you seem stupider because frankly speaking it's like it's better to

be like well hey you know what i don't believe climate change is real so why would i do something about it and be like hey you know what i believe believe 100% that the world is dying, but it's too expensive to fix it. It's like, that makes you sound like a dumbass. Like, the other one is like, you know, dumbass grandpa. Like, grandpa doesn't believe in science. That one's like, oh, so like, you believe it's true, but you think that it's too expensive to save the globe. Okay, well, I guess, I mean, that's not better. You know, it's interesting expensive to save the globe. Okay, well, I guess that's not better. You know, it's interesting you're saying this.

It occurs to me that I think the conservatives might be the only ones in America, really, who can envision a world after the climate collapse. They talk like they do. A lot of them even say that they believe it's happening, but as you're saying, Chad, a lot of them are just saying, well, it's too expensive to do anything about. I think liberals and leftists too, myself included, a lot of us think that the world is just going to end after a certain amount of climate catastrophe. And the Republicans are basically the only ones saying like, no, it's going to continue going on. We're just going to have to make some adjustments.

Yeah. And the adjustments are a insanely repressive state apparatus, something that has eroded all the enlightenment principles of rights and everything else, and is something more along the lines of just fascism, it's just eco-fascism. They can envision that, they see that. On the left, I think, again, and this is a huge flaw of us, we think that the world will just end after a certain point. No, life and civilization will continue going on. It's just going to

be bleak as fuck unless the left can intervene. And let's make it so a lot of people are going to die. Oh, a lot of people will die. Absolutely. And they already are. But unfortunately, the people who are going to be dying aren't going to be like the oil barons who got us here. They're going to be people who are already dying.

People who are already dying in the global south by nature of the various droughts, the in-hospital, the extreme weather. People who are dying, people who live on coastal, who live in coastal regions or who live close to, who can't afford better property. So they live close to like flood zones and like stuff like that i mean like that that's environmental racism it's environmental classism like the poorest of us you know which happen to be which happen to overrepresent people of color will happen like will be the who are already feeling the effects of climate change like you know people still like people still have not recovered from hurricane katrina much less the other extreme weather events that have happened since Hurricane Katrina.

Because how do you recover when you don't have any savings, you don't have any money? And so, I mean, frankly, you're right. It's a small jump from climate change denier, from right-wing reactionary climate change denier to eco-fascist and that jump is also unfortunately uh facilitated by the center who have again you know been indoctrinated with a lot of the same kind of talking points at the far right take to the extreme when it comes like oh well the problem with the world and climate change is overpopulation it's like what kind of fucking neo-malthusian shit is that like overpopulation like overpopulation is not the problem because at the end you know especially because overpopulation is always kind of um attributed

to like oh like there are a lot you know the average sub-saharan mother has like five kids it's like yeah but the average sub-saharan mother has the carb with her five children has has like the the carbon footprint of like one upper middle class white woman in New York City. Yeah, not even. Yeah, like the average, not the average, but like, you know, more or less like the average person living like along the Mississippi Delta or something like the most impoverished places in the world, both in the global north and the global south, like have the carbon footprint of like a family of five who live in like an urban center, who run their AC all year round because they want to have climate control. So it's not overpopulation that there's just a concentration of, you know, essentially of carbon of carbon emissions in a very key number of places.

You know, while we're talking about, you know, population decline and mass death and calamity and the collapse something Terrence pointed out to me before we came in here was the statistics around opioid crisis that is also making this sort of massive dent you know as if you know looming ecological collapse wasn't enough to worry about. Yeah, no. Well, we were talking about opioid abuse in the United States. It has killed so many people in the last just half decade that it's had a sizable impact on overall average life expectancy. And did you see, Chad, did you see the op-ed in the Washington Post? It came out literally maybe just a few hours before we started recording.

From one of the heirs to the Sackler fortune, basically being- The widow of Arthur Sackler. The widow of Arthur Sackler, yeah. She basically wrote an op-ed like, stop blaming my husband, my deceased husband, for the opioid crisis. Listen, I understand that. I think if anyone understands that sometimes you just want to be dripping.

You want to walk through the world dripping like a fucking faucet. Like a faucet in a project building. But you probably shouldn't start like a massive uh opioid epidemic to do so there are easier ways like you know i know people deal drugs in order in order to get to that sort of that that dripping or like bernie said write a book yeah like write a book. Yeah. Like write a book. You don't have to kill millions of people.

I mean you can become like a rapper or some shit. I don't know. But I mean you should blame. Anyone who's familiar with the Sackler, like with Purdue Pharma and how that sort of thing, how the opioid sort of epidemic and the mainstreaming of opioids rather came about should absolutely blame the Sackler people, the Sackler family and like the Purdue Pharma.

Her argument is basically, and I just want to see what y'all's thoughts are on this. Her argument is basically that Arthur Sackler had nothing to do with the production and distribution of Oxycontin and the marketing of it. He died five years before Oxycontin hit the market. Right, that's her argument. That's her argument, yeah. And so, you know, I'm just wondering, like, what you... Totally threw his brothers out.

Totally. It was Rudy and Mortimer. That's what she said. Or Ray and Mortimer. That she really literally did finger them, basically. Yeah. It was them. It was them.

Yeah, it wasn't Arthur. So, you know, it's just, I just, I wonder, like, how much should you have to pay for your family's sins? Yeah, personally, I think a lot. Personally a lot, particularly if you two are a billionaire and you two were involved in all that. Family fortune overall and the social and literal capital that grows out of that is done so through mass immiseration and exploitation and death, literally, I mean, we're talking misery. I mean, this is serious shit. Then I think at the very least, you should be able to be subjected to public scorn, at

the very least. Particularly if you're worth $14 billion as a family. if you're worth 14 billion dollars as a family i personally i think a just uh a just solution would be um a labor camp or something that you you know you have to go and you know be immiserated yourself and think about what you've fucking done you sound like a richest i didn't realize the richest podcast oh yeah i can't i can't co-sign this you know frankly uh i don't want to incite violence against billionaires because we do know there's a history of oppression against billionaire the billionaire that's right all right i know people of means people of means the funniest the funniest thing i saw from howard schultz recently was he said he was talking about

bernie and uh you know medicare for all and everything he was like they just want to advance their agenda and it's like that's literally the politics like he's so out of touch he can't even conceptualize it but but no i but i think he is like the centrist candidate and i think that we have to you know in the post-trump era in the era of like people going out into the streets to protest like for more and like have like signs that say i love laws and we should respect the police and all that shit we have yeah we have to come to turn but there is like there is a substantial part of the population who don't have at least not substantial but like a good number of people who just don't have who didn't have real problems before trump right yeah you know

trump has made things a lot worse for a lot of people who think we're bad for before but there was a substantial part of the population like the centrist class of people who like they felt like shit was just going fine it's like yeah there were problems like the world had problems like black people being shot in the street poor people were dying from from like you know from preventable diseases but their lives their lives were fine it's like and i think that really it's like it's those eight percent of people i would say that's like eight percent of people who like you know there's like there's the one percent the people who are left wealthy who are just like super extremely wealthy then there's like the you know eight to ten percent of population

you know more or less ballparking it who like were more or less left comfortable by the status quo and for like them the election of trump represented like a severe shattering of the illusion that things were okay because it shattered it changed how they felt about things on that same note um what what did you want to talk a little bit about bernie at all you just want to go past that what are you thinking tom where you at we can talk about we can talk about the bernie yeah in particular the the bernie sort of 2019 2020 bernie versus 2016 b 2016 Bernie and his sort of, I don't want to call it a rightward turn, but like, you know, we were talking about like his borders gaffe in Iowa the other day, if you could even call it, I mean, that's putting it mildly.

And just sort of, you know, how he's, you know, taken, he's exchanged poor and working people for the middle class. You know, you hear the middle class in his stump speeches more and more. You know, the sort of just establishment Democratic line. Yeah. And, you know, I see a lot of people saying like, oh, well, you know, it's just that old thing where 80% of Americans think they are middle class and nobody that's actually poor would say they were poor or working class. They would say that, you know, that I'm middle class, which I realize is

a thing, but where I'm from, people that are poor know that they're poor. People that are immiserated know that they're immiserated. Yeah. And I don't know. I just wanted to talk a little bit about about all of that. I mean, I'm poor. So like I know I'm poor and I'm in debt. And so that's so like, you know, as a lot of people my age are, as a lot of Americans are. And so when it comes to Bernie's rightward shift, I mean, I don't know how much of it is the right word. I don't know how much of it is the shift versus him being a lot more we've had a lot more exposure to birdie now right uh you know in 2016 it's like he was a relatively unknown senator you know at least to the majority of americans who came into the race in kind out of nowhere and i guess an underdog and kind of like rocky one day right that was rocky one 2016

was rocky one and now we're kind of at Rocky 2. We're hoping to see a win come out of it. So I think two things are happening, right? People are a little bit less. People are still excited for Bernie. I'm still excited for Bernie. I'm also excited for Elizabeth Warren. I'm definitely excited for Mike Graffle because he is whooping ass on Twitter.

And I think that like – but they're also getting more of him. They're seeing more of him. They're seeing more of the real Bernie. And at the same time, I think that he's been a lot more engaged with the Democratic Party establishment in the past four years. And I think that's a cautionary tale about people who think they can change institutions from the inside actually realizing. think they can change institutions from the inside right actually realizing this goes again back to what we were saying about like the nature of structures and natures of like being on the left and being aware of that structures have you know structures have their own inertia structures institutions have their own agency all those like sort of like fancy ways to say like hey it's a culture there and like if you want to play ball with the democratic party you have to say and

do certain things at the same time you know it also goes back to what we were saying about neoconservatism and neoliberalism. And the fact that he's still an American politician. And you don't get to be an American politician at that level for that long without having – at least paying lip service to certain ideas that people generally find to be true about America. He's not out there saying, fuck America. like he's not out there saying fuck america like you know like he's not out there giving like you know speeches about like american you know american imperialism being like you know like the worst thing in the world which i mean it more or less is or america's rather america's being the america being the like the biggest purveyor of terrorism in the world which which we are right uh less you know he's like he is giving you know again he is giving like he's out there like speaking narratives that are more or less speaking criticism of the system that are more or less two or three steps to the left of the Democratic Party.

He is he is an FDR Democrat. Right. Right. You know, like I think for a lot of us who are a little bit further to the left and even an FDR, it's like, oh, well, he's still pretty, you know, he's still pretty far right. You know, he's like he is a centrist in the rest of the world. And so, like, I mean. Well, and also and also, too, he's the favorite now. I mean, arguably, you know what I'm saying? Like that's that's different than being just, you know, like underdog, underdog or second or third. Like he's probably the favorite to be the next president of the United States.

So what excites me about Bernie is, you know, his language when it comes to structural solutions to problems, right? You know, that's what excites me about Elizabeth Warren, too. The acknowledgement that, like, we can't solve problems with the right words. We can't solve problems with, you know, with

like, you know, a copy of bell hooks in one hand and a copy of fucking Langston Hughes poems and a copy of fucking uh langston hughes poems in the other hand we have we actually have to like do legislation right and i and that's and i mean and it's and it shouldn't be an either or right you should be able to be symbolically anti-racist you should be able to say the right words and also do the right things but we have kind of substituted the the the former latter. We said, okay, well, as long as you say the right words, that's just as good or better, in fact, than doing the right

thing policy-wise. And I think the effect of that is that we end up in a situation where people don't even recognize structural solutions to problems as the real solutions, right? Where you have people who are like, okay, and I, I don't want to get like, I know people don't like to get too like, you know, identity politics on it, but I, but it, it's distressing when you see people, you know, I don't want people to hate me for my Ed poll, but I think it's distressing when you see people like, you know, when I see like liberals, when someone like Bernie Sanders says, okay, well,

I want to have free public education. You know, I want to have free college. I want to have, I want to expand social security, I want to have free public education. I want to have free college. I want to expand Social Security. I want to expand Medicare. I want to give it universal health care. And you have people who have some kind of – I guess brains are so smooth, they lack all friction, like the episode of The Magic School Bus. They want to go into the book and play baseball. And they go, well, how is that going to solve racism or solve misogyny or solve sexism? It's just like, well, it's not, right?

No one is saying that it is. It's just going to raise the bottom floor for a lot of people. But that's one aspect of it. But then the other aspect of it is like, okay, but you don't actually have solutions to those problems either. It's just like you're just saying that this is not a solution to those problems, but you don't actually have a solution to those problems. Like you just have a lot of pretty words to describe the problem. You have a lot of really, really eloquent words to describe racism and to describe sexism. And some of them you use wrong, but you have the words to describe them and so like it's just it's like this devalue it's like

neoliberalism as it took over democratic party as it infected americans it it really led to a devaluation of like public policy and structural solutions to like problems that people face in everyday lives in favor of just like words and like and that to me is very distressing because words are important. Language is important for building movements. It's important for building support for things. But you have to actually have things to support. Right. Things that back it up. Things that back it up.

At the end of the day, it's hard to see people who are like, okay, well, if this public policy program is does like is not going to like solve racism that's no racism can be solved like i don't think you can really solve it it's like it's a it's like it's at this point it's pretty hegemonic i don't know how you solve it but like a but um but like so like if it can't solve it it's not good but it's like okay but you can't solve it, it's not good. But it's like, okay, but you can't solve it either, and you're not even trying to solve it.

It's like you're just trying to talk about it. And it's just like, but that's not a solution. It doesn't improve anyone's life to talk about it. I mean, I hate to say it, but like I said, I grew up poor. I am poor. My family is still working class, and my mother still works. My father still works. My grandmother's retired, and she lives on social security and you know when you exist in a you know in the podcast

space the political media space the you know the writing space it's easy to overvalue conversations about things because it's like that like that's your bread and butter right oh yeah what you do right and also and also more or less you know folks in that world can't afford to wait. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. They can't afford to wait. It's like they have a measure of comfortability. They're the centrist I talked about.

They have a measure of comfortability and detachment and insulation from the effects, the material effects of racism and the material effects of sexism or just like the material effects. I mean just poverty. We talk about identity politics all the time and tokenization but like you know if you're on cnn and you're going to do a panel on race or whatever like they're smart enough to get like hey you know what we gotta get some black people for this panel you know we can't have a panel here we can't have a panel on like gender without having some women and maybe some like lgbtq people and maybe some queer people, but like they will absolutely just talk about poverty on the news without anybody who's poor. Exactly. No, I got one poor person.

Yeah, no, totally. And I kind of had like a miniature meltdown a couple of days ago about that sort of thing. Like just coming to the realization that anything I wanted to do in life i kind of had to have a rich kid or you know at least a upwardly mobile upper middle class person sort of open those doors for me you know what i'm doing in in in some ways and or or sort of being the token hillbilly kind of helped in some ways, too, to kind of get over that. But, like, just this idea that, like, somebody's always going to have to, like, open, like, certain doors for me to do anything. Like, particularly, I was thinking about, like, with, like, doing writing or anything, like, in the media, you know, something like that. It's, like, very much a rich kids game.

Oh yeah. Cause it's a hobby. It's a hobby. It's a hobby. You know, it's a hobby profession now that you have to have the ability to essentially work for free for years before you can even justify, you know, work for free or work or have someone support you while you intern at Vox or intern at Vice or intern at any number of leftist publications, not leftist publications, but any number of like of center left publications in order to like, in order to like build up a resume big enough to like justify a staff

position, which still won't pay you any money. Right. It's still going to pay you like $45,000 a year, which is like, you can't live on by, because by the time you get that position, you'll probably be 31, 32 years old. And that position is in an industry that is prone to just having a massive layoff right totally because like not only is it a hobby profession it's an industry that like venture capitalists

get into uh for clout and then like close down and it doesn't make all the money in the world they thought yeah exactly so it's distressing and like and that has a real effect on the way we talk about problems because so many people who are talking about these problems are insulated from them. And you have to be wary both when it comes to sort of like the media and even like academics. be poverty or illness or whatever are just academic pursuits or or like or like or like detached pursuits because they have a hard time sort of like they abstract them right you know where people who who study poverty but have never been poor who's that who's like who study blackness but really aren't don't have a good you know don't aren't black because it becomes like at the end of the day it's not something that they have experience with in the way that necessitates yeah totally totally yeah i was trying to think of what i were no i think we pretty much covered it we

there was one it there was one topic left it was uh consent condoms i know i probably dominated the conversation. I'm very chatty. You have to interrupt me. I just keep talking. Oh, don't worry about it. No, no. Trust me.

Trust me. We prefer that. Much better to have a guest with things to say than not and have to carry it yourself. Now, I welcome that. That is very true. Very true. I have sexy accents. I just sound like I have a deviated septum. No, no. it all works.

I might actually. No, we've got a big deviated septum, pro-deviated septum base in our audience. That's nice. I mean. Oh, yeah, I'm telling them. Let me see. I was going to say something inappropriate about deviated sept me see deviate okay now i was gonna be i was gonna say something

inappropriate about like i was like deviated septums and like you know like deviate those legs people deviate those legs for deviated septum i fixed it i fixed it put this deviated septum in your world real quick i don't think the word deviate means though it's different than deviant i guess right i don't think it is like bread like i mean it's bread like there's a hole there but you know what i i someone's gonna fact check me and this is what this is what happened when you when you try to make but you make jokes spontaneously you don't workshop them in a good situation i'm sorry oh but consent condoms are those the condoms that you have to have four hands to open that's right right yeah I don't understand how that works like like what like why would you need four hands open them well um there's apparently it's a box and I don't know I guess

it's like four people have to press on or I'm sorry four hands have to be pressed on all sides of the box at one time here's's my thing. But it's impossible. It's like the lament configuration from Hellraiser. Yes. That's exactly what it is. Yeah. And it opens up, and then there's a condom that comes out of it. And then you, you know, after you've done the Hellraiser configuration, you put the condom on and have sex. That sounds like it's going to lead to a lot of unintended pregnancy.

People who get frustrated. Well, this is the weird thing about it. Once I actually read the articles and stuff about it, it's just an ad campaign. It's not even really a commodity, like a product. It's just basically an ad campaign. But also, here's the thing, too. I can think of a lot of unconsensual situations that you could probably produce four hands to do the Hellraiser code. That's right. Yeah, that's right.

Yeah, yeah. Well, the thing is. Devil's trying to go over again. That's right. They want to have a, you know, they want to have, it's what we were talking about earlier. They just want to start a conversation because we've ceded all cultural territories to the corporations now you know they they they start all the you know it's like gillette it's like the the duane wade budweiser commercial the tearjerker y'all saw that i didn't i mean i mean like i haven't seen that one but like i will

say i think that like i think people are incredibly bad about talking about consent, even like across the board. Yeah. And frankly, it's like, there are various ways to be bad about it. Like there is like, just the like, okay, I'm so neurotic or I'm so shy or I'm so anxious or I'm so like, you know, I, you know, society, generally as a society, we're very puritanical. Right. So people don't have a, people don't have a good language inherently you know to talk about sex and talk about consent that goes the opposite way too it's like some people have mastered the language

of consent right to the point in which it's not earnest and it's just i'm manipulative and it's yeah yeah that sort of ties in the conversation we were having about like mass like the ability to like sort of the ability to master language in a way that obscures your lack of actual care about the the intention of that what the what that language was created to do i will just say uh condoms that require four hands are incorrect what if you were if you're an amputee hey it's ableist i didn. You're right, that is very ableist. I mean, like, shit. What if you have to get your roommate to come in and give an extra hand?

Yeah. Yeah. I like the approach, though. Could you envision a future in which let's say you want to shoot up an elementary school or something.

You have to have four hands to activate an AR-15. To activate any kind of high-powered rifle or something. Yeah, we're just going to take this model and go with everything in society. Gotta have four hands. I mean, hey, listen. I i mean would it cut down on on shootings probably not but a lot of people out there who want to shoot up schools apparently yeah but you'd be making a statement at least i was getting ready to make a really bad joke about goro from mortal kombat go i mean he's got you know he's got four arms right

i know what you're thinking. He has two dicks. Yeah, that's right. That's the way it works in biology, right? For every two arms, you get one dick. That's the way evolution works, I guess. Yeah, that's right. I have four dicks.

That's right. And spiders have five because because god hates spiders yeah he smited them um so they have an extra dick they don't have they don't know what to do with like they're jerking off all four of their other dicks at once but they've got that one they can't do anything they have to use their left hand for what they're non-dominant hand for that one which is like always a weird experience but imagine how much weirder it'd be if you had two so like one like one hand job was good but like the other one was bad oh yeah like you know like we've all been there like we have like we've broken our i don't know our hand our right hand or left hand if you're a lefty is just like out of commission for whatever reason.

You gotta go with the opposite hand. It kind of makes it a little more exciting in some ways. It's like, oh, this isn't my hand. Yeah, I guess. Maybe the first time. I made myself all faithful. Look, I'm a right hand

but I'm a right hander by you know for everything writing and everything else but I'm ambidextrous when it comes to jerking off and in fact I think I prefer the left hand I don't appreciate you coming coming on your show you doing irony at me god damn it sorry chad um it won't happen again but it hits this close to home yeah exactly that's the only reason you're mad you're both mad at me because it hits close to home you know how many people have died have died from like jacking it with the non-dominant hand that's how my grandfather died you're canceled godspeed granddad vigorous gone too soon jacking it with angels now that's right jacking it with god now

fuck yeah damn right right hand so you always have a free hand God has to be right hand because they're always talking about you know so and so sitting at the right hand of God now they're sitting at the you know I don't know anytime your grandfather dies or somebody

you know it's like oh they're sitting at the right hand of God nobody says the left hand I don't want to start saying the left saying who's singing god's lap like santa jesus maybe god's a daddy bomb i don't know what jesus just sits in his lap and he rocks him all day he's even as an adult no god breastfeeds Jesus. That's the way it works. I mean, people say Jesus is God's son, but really I think it's like a kink relationship. It's like a daddy-dom, little boy

kind of relationship thing they have going on, which is fine. I don't want to kink shame anybody, especially not the Lord. You don't want to kink shame God, man. God can't be a pedo. I mean, it's not pedo. It's not DDLG relationships, as I've been told many times. It's just, it's pedophile adjacent, like libertarians.

No, but Lutherans are just pedophiles. That's right. Although I will say, I pay a lot of money in taxes. And, like, every time I see how much money I pay in taxes, I think to think to myself like i would definitely be a libertarian if it wasn't for like all of the pedophilia and racism but like those like those two things they just like they you just can't separate out not wanting to pay taxes with just like being like a weird like being like no that's always bugged me uh when liberals would be like oh you know i'll gladly pay my taxes everything it's like fuck no you won't I'll gladly pay my taxes and everything. It's like, fuck, no. Taxes fucking suck, man.

Nobody likes paying taxes. I mean, like, especially if it's We just do it. Do what? We just do it. Nobody likes paying taxes. Exactly. You all just do it.

Anyway. Anyways, Chad, thanks so much for coming on the show this week man you got anything you want to plug before we uh set sail uh no i think that i i feel like i've talked enough i mean of course you can always listen to me more talk more if for some reason you weren't overwhelmed by the amount that i talk on this podcast i promise i i ironically talk a little bit less on my own but um uh a little bit less but of course you can listen to my podcast the discourse which is available on soundcloud and itunes and probably spotify at some point um and you can always find me on twitter at pretty

bad lefty pretty is spelled how you think bad is also how you spelled how you think and lefty is spelled with a y not an ie uh even though we i just spent like 15 minutes shitting on left-handed people i suppose it's a little awkward other than that thank you for inviting me you know i had a great time always love talking to like-minded people hell yeah man well we always appreciate your takes and uh always fun to talk shop and let's say let again sometime. We'll have to do it again sometime. Thanks for watching!