Triple Click - Let's Talk Zelda, LIVE in Brooklyn!

Episode Date: May 25, 2023

It's the very first TRIPLE CLICK LIVE!!! From the Bell House in Brooklyn, Jason, Kirk, and Maddy talk about... well, what else? The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom. Plus: live Q&A and live One More Things.One More Thing: Kirk: Somebody, Somewhere S2Maddy: Monitor armsJason: Bojack HorsemanLINKS:Support Triple Click: http://maximumfun.org/joinBuy Triple Click Merch: https://maxfunstore.com/search?q=triple+click&options%5Bprefix%5D=lastJoin the Triple Click Discord: http://discord.gg/tripleclickpodTriple Click Ethics Policy: https://maximumfun.org/triple-click-ethics-policy/ Happy MaxFunDrive! Right now is the best time to start a membership to support your favorite shows. Learn more and join at https://maximumfun.org/jointripleclick 🚀  SUPPORT TRIPLE CLICK:Join Maximum Fun | Buy TC Merch💬 JOIN THE TRIPLE CLICK DISCORD🎮 Triple Click Ethics Policy📱 SOCIALS | @tripleclickpodInstagram | YouTube | TikTok | Twitch

Okay, all you lowercase G gamers. Put your hands together for Jason Schreier, Maddie Myers, and Kirk Hamilton. I'm Kirk Hamilton. I'm Mattie Myers. And I'm Jason Shrier. Hello! Hello! Thank you all for coming.

It's up. Oh, my goodness gracious. Look at this. This is fantastic. You guys get to hear what we sound like when Kirk can't fix our mistakes. Yeah. It is going to be incredible. This is live.

if anything could happen. We have our comfort switches at the ready. We brought them out just in case we need to play a little bit of Zelna. Maddie is lying. We have them because we can't stop playing Zelda. We might be tempted. I was trying to cover Jason. I was trying to cover for that.

It's like my teddy bear. Did anybody else bring their switch tonight? I see you. Oh, see that's a very good. Hang on. Did everyone who just cheered, did you actually bring a switch? Or are you just cheering for the people who brought switches?

Yeah. Oh, I see some actual switches. I think people are used to doing things when they listen to podcasts. Right. Normally people cheer whenever we say anything. Did anybody bring your dishes so you could do your dishes while listening to? Load of laundry. Right, right.

Walk the dog. Are any dogs on them? How's everybody doing? Yeah? Oh, I can see you all now. What a lovely crowd. We're very excited that you're here. We're excited to do our show with an audience.

And we hope that you're excited, too. I wanted to try a few things out on you because audience participation is an important part of doing a live podcast. So the first thing I want to do, this is going to involve you all. So our show is called triple click. And at the beginning of the show,

there's some theme music that plays and it makes a sound. It goes click, click, click, really quickly. It's like three clicks, because that's the name of our shit. You'd be surprised how many people didn't figure that out. I just found out.

Nice. Thanks, good. Yeah, this is our first time hearing this. So what I would love to hear from all of you is three quick claps that sounds kind of like those three clicks, all right? So here we go, you ready?

I'm going to say triple click and then I want to hear clap, clap, clap, clap. All right? Here we go. Triple click. Damn. Wow, that was...

Beautiful. I thought we were going to have to do it a few times. That was beautiful. Okay, so I'm establishing a rule for this show. Anytime we say the name of our podcast, all of you are going to do that clap, okay?

So we're going to try it right now. we make a podcast called Triple Click. That was pretty good. If one of us accidentally says it, like an hour from now, we're going to be freaked out. You're going to be so freaked out. See if you can freak us out. It's true. It's true.

Okay, so the rule is in place starting now. You all have your responsibility. So now, here's another thing. It's not every day that we have this many people in one room together. Well, speak for yourself. That's true. Jason's been doing live shows constantly. I mean, I have two small children, so it feels like.

Yeah, you're always performing. Always on. So I wanted to take advantage of this opportunity just to get the Foley. So we're going to be editing this show after right. Everyone's going to get to listen to it in the main feed next week. And there might be sometimes where we tell a joke that isn't actually funny, but I want to make everybody think that you all thought it was really funny. That's right.

So can you all just laugh on cue? I'm going to give you a cue, and I just want like a big laugh. Like one of us just told the funniest joke ever. Ready? Here we go. Wow. That was the peak. It's all.

That was beautiful. That was good. That was good. So, okay, that was pretty good. We're going to have to leave some space after these because I want to be able to edit them in. So I'm thinking this through as we go, okay, now what I want, I want a groan.

So I'm giving Jason notes as we go, this is how we do this. I want a groan. So now one of us told a really terrible joke that you kind of love anyways, but it's terrible. So this is a big groan. Are you ready?

That's really good. That is a little too good. We'll fix that one in. I know. What other sounds should we make? You don't think like a cheer? Like they're just crying. with happiness.

Oh, yeah. Okay. Your favorite team just won the World Cup. You're so excited. Wow. Okay, wait, wait, wait. You just found a coroc seed. I edited that sound into a recent episode.

Did you hear that? No. I knew about the thriller thing. That was amazing. I feel like if I just find a cora seed, I'm like, really? Okay. There's another one of those.

Another one. It's just this rock. I just picked up a rock. Yeah, I was just picking. that up for some other reason. You just picked up a corak and decided to barbecue it using one of those contraption. Are you

torturing corrocks? Are you one of those people? No, I just ignore the ones. There's a lot of people out there torturing corals. Yeah, because they're too much of a pain. I'm like, I could either like go through 20 minutes of trying to help this coraic to get a couple seeds. Or I could just pick up a rock and find a seed there. So I'm not about it.

Well, you get two if you help them. I know, but like they're trying to incentivize you. I'm trying to min min max here. Anytime I see a cor- What we're talking about I'm like I can't help you man Like you put that on You made that choice

It's true You're the one who's Just take a rest man You're just vibing in that huge backpack And like so is your friend Really far away Like you guys both made some choices That led you to this moment

I don't have to help you I'm just a guy I'm just living my life Heartless Mattie Meyer I'm enjoying imagining that I feel like there probably are about five people who don't know what we're talking

Yeah, I hope. Let's bring him in. Let's bring him in. Shout to everyone you're talking about. So there's these things called Korox seeds. Yeah. The children of the forest, you see. I mean, I can pull up the instruction manual and just read it.

Heard of him. He's got some Maracas. He does have some Maracas. And he's got to shake him with some seeds in. I have a question about him. Do you think he does a little cut scene? We're not explaining what this is. No.

Okay. In the legend of Zelda, tears of the kingdom. All right. As you're exploring the kingdom of Hyrule. you sometimes find little puzzles these little puzzles in the environment usually it's just you see three trees and they're like all the same and you're like that's got to be something

and you go over and you like cut them all down and then this guy shows up and he gives you a little seed and then you trade the seeds to a larger guy yeah much bigger guy Hesstew and he's got Maracca's but they're empty when you first find it right it's very sad I know he's super sad about it well how sad I mean if you've ever held an empty Maraca

I know it's really it's terrible it's just a gourd when have you held an empty Maraca. I have. If you ever teach students, like, they destroy every instrument that exists. So the Maraccas will eventually not have anything in there. Is that Hesstu's story, do you think? Like, Hesstu is a music teacher, and he just really was trying to teach the little

baby corhawks and now running around, throwing on their huge backpacks. That explains why the backpacks are so big. I think we really learned his whole story. Okay, so my question is... That makes it even more tragic, because people are just murdering them everywhere. They're middle school. Oh, my God. I mean, again, if you've taught middle schoolers music.

Yeah, they have big backtacks. I do know that. He does a cutscene. When you give him the seeds, it's really exciting. Yeah, you give him the seeds that he's so excited and he does a dance. And then he gives you an expansion in your inventory slots. Yes, always your weapon slot. Because, come on.

I know. What are we doing here? What are we doing? I kind of, I did feel like I needed a more shield the other day. I added a couple bows. I'll admit it. When you attach like cannons and flame throwers to your shields. Oh, that's true.

That's true. In this game, it's a little different. Okay, so my question is, he does this whole thing. There's like confetti pops out. And then there's like a beat and he just sits there like, and it's really awkward and kind of anticlimactic. Is it supposed to be like,

are we supposed to be kind of thinking he's ridiculous in that moment? I mean, I think it's Zelda. You're supposed to be thinking everybody is ridiculous. Yeah. But also joyful. Right. That's about right. And sort of unusual. You're supposed to be much like Link,

just staring blank-faced upon the world. Impassive. It's just not reacting to all the ridiculous things happen. happening in front of you. 10 out of 10 game. Just staring blank face the whole. That's what he does. I love him for it.

I love to face link towards the camera and just take a screenshot of him looking like nothing's ever entered his beautiful little head. But Kirk, you haven't explained the best part. Then you find out at the end of collecting all of the coric seeds in both of the wild, you find out what they are. Oh, are we going to say? Do you want to do us the honors? No, you can tell us.

I don't think she knows. Yeah, they are shit. They're shit. And they're hardings. That's real. And they're inside of a Morocco, which also middle schoolers in music class. Of course, they would steal the shit.

Did you know that? I didn't know that. I really didn't know that. Yeah, you don't get to find that out of doing. We're all learning things. The other day, you guys were saying that you had never caught a falling star in that game. Until recently. Yeah.

Which I had known about for long time. But it's like there are things in that game you cannot know. Falling stars or the fact that Koroxys are shit. Yeah, they are. They are a shit. You know, and that's kind of why I think has to you being goofy makes sense. Because it's all a lead up to this, this reveal. Well, it also makes a great joke.

These Koraks, you're saving them. And they're like, here, thank you for saving me. Like, here is some of my shit. Yeah. That they stole, I guess, from the Maracas. I guess. Unclear. Well, would, or did they just make?

I assume they just make it. We'll see. I don't know. We don't know. We don't. Welcome to triple click. Oh my God. Hey, we're really excited about this, as you can tell.

This is going wow. We haven't done a live show together in four years. Four years. Four years ago. How many of you guys were at the split screen live show? Oh, these two. That was good. So you saw when we were called split screen, but now we're called Triple Click.

That was better. You've seen them up for it. I love that. Nice. Everyone was ready. Love it. We're going to be talking about Zelda today. It seems to me.

like there's not really anything else to talk about. But that is, that is something that we're going to talk about. And then we're going to answer some questions from the audience here. Yeah, you're permitted to ask questions that aren't about Zelda. That is true. When we do it, when we do a question section at the end. But yeah, for now, we're just, we're talking a little bit more about Zelda. It's funny because we recorded our Zelda episode, which went up today on Monday, and now it's Thursday. That's right. I don't know how much has really changed. That's kind of a long time in playing How time... So how many people here have listened to this morning's episode.

You're going to hear the same thing again. No. We actually print out a transcript. We're just going to read it. No, we'll try to keep things a little fresh. So I think we're going to start by... We want to check in with how we're doing with this game. This massive video game that came out, and all three of us were playing it.

And we did all bring our switches. So I'm going to go around, and I want you to take out your switch. First, you're going to tell us a little bit about your case. So show us your case. Turn it on. Turn up the volume. What kind of case is that? It's a fascinating black case that,

I think came when I reviewed the switch in 2017. That's right. They sent all the accessories. Alongside it. I'm just like, okay, I'll keep it. It's a pretty good case. But, uh, yeah, I don't have a good story.

Maddie's case is way cool. Isn't it? That's like a fancy hard case. Okay, so Jason is going to, Jason is going to open up his game, his game of Tears of the Kingdom. And he's going to tell us where he is right now after he sinks his joy.

He's going to tell us where he is right now and what's happening. I'm impressed that Jason opened that with one hand. Yeah, he didn't even set his microphone down. I'm used to like holding a child. Okay, I am on the Great Plateau. Okay. Heard of it. Oh, interesting.

So you can go back there. This is the starting area from Breath of the Wild. Yes, and so I'm in a forest. I'm in the forest of spirits. I just did a quest. Okay, so there is a newspaper in this game. There sure is. And I just did a quest for the newspaper.

And I think the problem with the newspaper quest is they really ask you to suspend your sense of disbelief. Yeah. Because when you talk to the newspaper guy, he says the following. He says, as you take on more stories, your base pay will obviously increase. And there are bonuses, of course. Oh, wow. Which is like, clearly Nintendo did not do their research on the room. We'll pay you less and soon you're only going to have to make.

videos for TikTok. Yeah. Well, they didn't include the part where Hyrule investigators, high role researchers bring in AI to take over to do you take over. No, but yeah, so I'm in the guy.

I just did a quest because there are a lot of quests in this game to try to find there are a lot of these quests that the newspaper sends you want to try to figure out what happened to Princess Zelda, who is not the person you play as, Maddie. No, unfortunately. That's interesting. Somebody made a bet

related to that. That's true. that's sad. Someone did. Although, I don't know. Maybe there's a part where you play is, right? I haven't found it, yes. Uh-huh.

Maybe. And you're doing all these quests to, like, figure out all these Zelda appearances, and I just did one of those, which I will not, I will not spoil for you guys, but it was a cool one. It was a fun little, fun little one. And I wound up on the plateau where there's another, like, super weird, mysterious quest that, again, I won't tell you guys about because it's fun. Because it's so mysterious. Yeah.

That's cool. I haven't thought to go back there to the place that you're going to stuck. you'll naturally stumble upon it because it's part of just the natural like you'll see topography well we're all becoming reporters as link as well so we're all going to naturally stumble across you got to cover your beat the seeds of the story the kurox seeds what about you guys i want to hear right mattie you're up all right let me see okay i can't get this out with one hand i'm sorry that's fine are you just going to sit there yeah we're going to sit here in silence and watch you so i noticed jason has the bright white joycons yeah i have yellow ones which are really cool they were the one

that weren't out of battery when I left the house. It's a good story. I resisted the urge to buy that Zelda one. Nice. Like, no, I don't need this. I am in the middle of a lightning storm. Oh, okay. So I was running around.

So I did the wind temple, which I think we're going to talk about. All three of us just so happened. Spoiler warning. First. And got all the way to the final boss. And I had a lot of arrows. but it didn't have a lot of stuff to attach to the arrows. And you really need some stuff to attach the arrows for that final boss fight.

I won't say why, but you need it. And I tried a few things, and what I really, really like are those key sigh balls. That's really good against that boss. Maddie, can I tell you a tip? Can I give you a tip? You don't need any arrows. Oh, how did you beat that boss? Do you want to know or do you want to try to figure it out?

No, tell me. You dive through. the crystals because it's like breaking the ice on his back. Oh sure. Multiple people in the audience are like, what? People are taking out their switches, they're leaving the room, oh my God. Really? And then that like does the damage. Yeah, then that knocks out.

Oh man, can we just tell you all about this boss? Yeah, let's spoil it. Can you describe it? Can you describe? Because screw this guy. All right. So it's like a huge dragon guy and you know how like a dragon has three different sectionals that are made out of pink ice?

We all know. We've all seen a dragon. And you know how you gotta hit the ice three times in order to get to the weak point? And there's three sections. And then there's going to be a second phase where you've got to do all that over again. Dragons.

It's just dragon stuff. Dragon stuff. It's just classic. Why do I have to explain this? So I, of course, was painstakingly fusing arrows and diving and using my paraglider to perfectly time to be right in front of each little ice hunk and then hitting an arrow in the right place,

and it would be arcing and not quite hitting the part it needed to hit. And then eventually I was like, what am I doing? I'm just going to go farm some key sideballs. Because they create homing, homing arrows. It's homing or honing. Homing. Homing. Homing.

Homing. Champing at the beach. Homing. Yeah. So you create chomping arrows. Right. You make chomping arrows. They chomp the ice.

And then that's how you win. And, you know, that's why I'm running around in a lightning storm in Hyrol right now, trying to get my arrows up ship's shape, so I can go back up to the sky islands and defeat that dragon. But it turns out, Jason, what could I have to? But if you do want to get, like, things diffused, you should go into one of the underground cave networks, which, like, you can lose hours just exploring. But you can find mushrooms and attach those to your arrows just for, because why not, why not attach. Just make them bouncy.

And keys and stuff, yeah, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, Really, I just like those key cyballs. That's my favorite item. Pretty cool. Yeah, where are you, Kirk? I'm going to get my switch out. Silence. I'm doing it with one hand.

I'm not going to talk. This really, we didn't prep this. I wasn't helped. Black Joycons. That's like the original switch. White, black, yellow. Yeah, this is a great one. They're very boring.

Nothing. So I'm in a stable right now. I took a screenshot. You're skateboarding? Did you just accidentally take a screenshot? Just panicking, hitting buttons. Where am I right now? forget which is the select button and which is the map.

Well, they changed all the buttons for this one. That's true. No, they didn't. Don't know what I didn't say. So I'm in Dueling Peaks Stable. Okay, yeah. Over by the Dueling Peaks. I haven't gone to that many stables in this game yet.

But one of the stables is actually a publication. Right, it's been converted. That's right. Which, again, a newspaper, like, bought another business. The newspaper had so much money that it acquired another business. I've genuinely have never heard of

this. Although if you talk to the stable owner they say that the newspaper scammed them out of it

so we'll find that one and she's very like a really like I didn't cheat you out of this yeah yeah

I did it fair and square I don't know what the story is there I'm on my way I'm going back to Hittano Village

which is where I am Oh there's some good stuff in there there is there is there is there's where this lady what's her name

the Sisi Sisi Yeah you got to get that hat You got to get that hat. The like fungal fashion

Do you know Polygon article about it. Yeah, it gives Link makeup and earrings. I know. He looks amazing. He looks so good. He looks really good. He looks like he could go to Garudo and like fit in there. I haven't got I know, but that outfit is not in this game, but there's a lot of other really cute belly shirts that you can put Link in. I'm not kidding. Excellent. No, it's true. I'm serious. It's true. He really rocks it. He looks great. Yeah, there's a lot of side quests in this game. Are there too many? Is it overwhelming? Is it too much stuff? No, I mean, I was overwhelmed at first and then I started like breaking it down and figuring out.

And actually it was helpful for me to do the first temple. And then from there, just be like, okay, I got that out of the way. I saw what the first dungeon was like, now I can just go waste hours and hours like, I don't know, petting horses. So do you think of the wind temple as the first dungeon? Because first of all, I did everything out of order. The game steers you that way.

It's pretty much like, oh, you should go check out those rido. Just maybe go that way. I don't know. You're talking to somebody. You could go wherever you want, but maybe go to the northwest. I went to Kakarigo Village without the paraglider. And I was there for a while. It's crazy how many people have missed it.

That's really funny. Well, here's the thing. You know, the game does give you those little yellow markers that are like really bright. But what if you just ignore that? And you just go where your soul takes you. This is the pro-Hud way. This is how it works. If you turn it off, you don't ever see that.

That's how you might end up not having the paraglider pretty early on. For a very long time. There was a while there where I was kind of wondering when we were going to get it. I was like, that is in this game. right? I feel like it's funny. Am I going to have to dive into water every time I jump from a high surface? So the really fun thing, like if you really want to just like waste time. Oh, and I do. Just find a bunch of those like robot zonai devices and just like attach them to everything. You can find attach them to your shield. If you ever, if you never attached a rocket to your shield, do that.

Yeah. You can attach. I did a spring. You know the spring that goes bouncy, bouncy, bouncy. Yep. As a spring is wanted to do. You guys know what a spring is, right? Yeah. You guys sort of this. Bouncy, bouncy, bouncy. It's a bouncy, bouncy, it's like a slinky.

Mm-hmm. You guys, right. Okay, a spring is, all right. Wikipedia, yes, and spring is. This is from Legend of Zelda Tears of the Kingdom, by the way. Legend of Zelda, Made by Nintendo. And what show is this? You attach it to your shield, and then,

and then you go surfing, and then you do the surfing, and you'll never guess what happens. What happens? You go bouncy, and then it, and then it, And then immediately breaks. And you can't use it again. That's so good. I am finding that I'm more willing to look things up for this game. Like, shout out to the triple-click Discord.

There's a lot of people. Hey, all right. We got some people are remembering the rules. How many times have you died so far? Several. I'd say... Several. Yeah, several.

Several death, Hamilton. I don't know, probably more than seven. I've died a few times. Goodness. So the, how can I do this without making everybody? Can we get, does anybody here use the Discord for our podcast? All right, we got a few people. Shout out to them.

And people are, of course, posting lots of tweets and, you know, like people just sharing incredible things they built in the game. Of course, yeah. And there was a whole period where I was like, I don't want to see anything. I don't want to know. Yeah, no, I remember that whole period. It was kind of stressful. But now I already don't care because the thrill is like, I don't know, even hearing

you describe. that makes me want to go make something ridiculous. Yeah, seeing the tweets makes it more enjoyable because you get ideas. Or you just see something you never would have even thought to make. Yeah, right. And can't even fathom. Yeah, well, the contraption is.

I mean, there was one video. Did you guys see the video that was like the evolution of warfare and it starts off with a link in like a little medieval wheeled, like a cart with like a spirit at the end? And by the end it graduates to like a nuclear jet plane. Like a firing bombs everywhere. You're looking at this and you're like, what is this video game? Yeah, I know.

It's wild. This is Zelda? It's like, is this a Zelda game? Link commits war crimes, the video. He makes white phosphorus out of them. Yeah. Oh, you did find that zone. The white phosphorus dispenser.

Yeah, I know I feel like it's easy to compare this game to Eldon Ring. Yeah. It's similar in some ways. It makes me feel similar, but more war crimes than Eldon Ring. I don't know. Well, you can be. your own. In Elder Ring, you can't really, you can't do, you find, like, people have committed war crimes. That's true.

In Link in Zelda, you can, like, I mean, the videos of people killing Korox are just out of control. It's worrying. There's, like, people set up this elaborate, like, a barbecue pit with, like, flame throwers. And I swear to God, like, in a spit roast that is just multiple Korox, just roasting over the fire. They can't die, but they can feel pain. There's one video I saw that it's like, it's like, that's true. Well, it's torture forever. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

There's one I saw that's like eating corox and someone just built a catapult. And just stuck a bunch. It's just like, boop, okay, goodbye. But that's like how you solve some of the puzzles, though. Right, yeah, but eating coroll. Sometimes you have to eat a corin. Sometimes you got to eat a coraic over a long distance. That's how Link justifies his crimes.

Yeah, I know. It starts small. You got to solve a puzzle. They want me to. They want me to. I'm helping. the Korok Nation. Fine democracy.

Yeah. It's a weird game. Let's get into it. Monarchies, how do we feel about the Divine Right of Kings? Heard of it? Zelda has. What I'm saying is I'm Gannondorf.

Do we feel like this Zelda is Zelda-e enough? Not to just open a huge can of worms, but... No, that's good. I think that's a good segment. Or a good topic. Because we were talking before, we talk outside of the show, believe it or not.

Sometimes. We were talking before the show started about the dungeons. And I felt like the Wind Temple was pretty Zeldi. You do some puzzles. I know Jason was, yeah, I just thinking of,

okay, so I heard that like future dungeons. Actually, someone on the Discord mentioned that future dungeons are more Zeldi. But what's not Zeldee, I think, about the Wind Temple is that it's non-linear. It's just like, here are five things.

things, go do them, which Zelda Dungeons before Breath of the Wild didn't really do. Breath of the Wild did that with the Divine Beast, where it was like little self-contained areas. A proper Zelda dungeon, to me, was always like a big, multi-layered, elaborate, like, usually pretty linear. Yeah, yeah, well, because you're just, you start off in a small area and you gradually unlock more and more over time, and by the end, you're committing war crimes. Yep. So that, to me, is like the essence of Zelda.

Yeah. Right. But in this game, it's like you can commit war crimes when at. Anywhere, yeah, it's really just, you know. I think a distinction that I would offer that is a difference from Breath of the Wild and something that we talked about with Breath of the Wild is that you do have an ability that is unique to the dungeon or is introduced and then is essential for solving the puzzles in it. In the case of this first one, you get this wind ability from this little guy. What's his name?

Tallon. Talon. He's such a good little guy. And he follows you around, which is cool. He's like actually there in the dungeon with you. Speaking of- Not even complaining. Like if you're taking a really long time to solve something, for example.

You mentioned something about it not being Zelda enough. I haven't played every Zelda game, but that is actually unusual to just have an NPC walking around with you. Like the lonesome puzzle solving, like I'm all by myself in this ancient wreck. That is kind of a Zelda feeling. And it is dispelled by this little guy as much as I love him. Yeah, there are a couple of games when you have a little guy coming around. And usually you have like a companion. I guess there's Navi or Fee or like Zambi or like.

How could you not love Navi? A little different, I guess, than like actually walk. around but I suppose it sounds like that does happen. There's a great dungeon in Link to the Past. How many of you guys have played The Legend of Zelda, Link to the F? Classic game. There's one great dungeon. Should we just say popular video game titles? Yeah.

Mario, you heard of it? Is that how we do it? Triple Cork. Dark Souls. That was great. That was good. They were ready. Yeah, there's one great dungeon.

Spoilers, 30 year old spoilers, but you have to rescue. You rescue someone, you rescue this lady, like, halfway through the dungeon. You rescue a lady in a Zolagame? I know. It's crazy, right? Wow. And she's like, thank you for saving me, like, let me follow behind you, and then you're following her. And then you get to this other room, and there's a big, like, open, like, ray of light

and it shines on her, and she's like, ah! It turns out she's the boss of the dungeon. Oh, nice. But she's following you for a chunk of that. And yeah, there have been a few times. But you're right that, you're right that that it's pretty unusual to have, like, a dude who you can, like,

summon on to use powers. It does a bit. Yeah, it's cool. And I gather that, like, you're going to get three other companions for the three other temples, I assume. Yeah, and they're all going to follow you for the whole game, silently. Is that actually true? Do you kind of cycle through them? Well, this is.

Well, you haven't beaten the dungeon. Have I? I guess you edited every single polygon guide, so you know. I'm in a very weird position where I, like, know a lot, but then I don't know the context of it, which is always like a fun way to play a game that is not relatable. I don't know why I'm mentioning this. You know when you edit a lot of guys? Yeah, everybody out there knows.

Yeah, everyone knows. But I really feel like this game is unspoilable. And I said that to you guys before. It is. Because there's so many different things that you can make. And that's the joy of it. I think that's an essential quality of this game, even compared to Breath of the Wild,

where we were talking about videos before and avoiding watching them. Yes. With Eldon Ring, I would avoid it because it would be. like, here's this crazy boss. And I'd be like, oh, whoa, I kind of wanted to be surprised by that. Yeah, like be revealed, have it revealed to me and figure out the way to beat it. Right.

And then they'd show you like someone doing something incredible, you know, beating the boss without getting hit or some incredible move set or something. And I'm like, okay, well, I'm probably never going to do that. But it's just very different than in this game where they're like, here's this insane thing I built that you would never think of in a million years. And now you've thought of it because I showed it to you. And I would, you know, I'll watch those and be like, oh, awesome. I'm actually going to try to do that. It just is a really different thing. And then you do it and like you put the fan slightly too far to the right.

And it just flips over and the entire thing gets set on fire. Do you think so there's one ability that you unlock a little farther into the game in the depths that's like, what's it called? It's like auto build. Auto build. Yep. And so you then get blueprints for anything you've ever built. So it makes a lot easier eventually. Not any.

Well, you can like save things. Right. You have a backlog that like runs out eventually. Do you think there's no way to share those right now is there? I don't know. I mean, yeah. Not like Animal Crossing QR. Orchose or whatever.

Multiplayer? What are you talking about? Yeah. It would be very, very cool if they came up with a way that you could do that because then, you could post the tweet with the video and then like actually post the whatever the code at the end so that you could download the thing and building yourself. Yeah, that would be smart. Man, you should work in Nintendo.

I should. I should send them an email being like, my name is Kirk Campbell. I just have a few thoughts. I really like yours of the kingdom. I have a couple ideas. Also, I only died seven times while playing return. Uh-huh. Uh-huh.

They'll definitely take me seriously then. Be like, look, you might not know who I am. Yeah. You know Returnal? You heard of it? Seven times. Yeah, and it was when it first came out, like when it was still really hard. Oh my goodness.

Okay, what are we going to talk about? I have an outline here that I wrote down. And it's going great. All that stuff about has to at the beginning. That was all there. It says we're supposed to talk for only a couple more minutes in no way. Opening, right. Just talk about torturing.

Rocks, go on, you know. Discuss the Rito Quest. Okay, we did that. The depths, yeah. Okay, amazing little details. We didn't talk that much about details on the episode that went up today. It's true.

But there are a lot of little details in this game. Cooking is so great now. Oh, I just... Sorry, go ahead. Wait, why do you think cook? Okay, one of my details is that. But yes, go ahead. First of all, Link sings little songs.

He sure does. That's one of my favorite details. And they're mostly songs from, I think they're all from Ocarina of Time originally. I mean, we know them all now. I'm not actually sure. I think they're from the series, just like various remixes.

He sings Apona. He sings like a little bit of Epona, a little bit of Song of Storms, a little bit of Zelda's alibi. Classics. It's just really cute. He sings a different song for every kind of meal. It's just cute. And the recipes are nice. So I just noticed, okay, I discovered this today while playing, not that I was playing during the work day instead of doing.

Right. Yep. Any lunch break. It's on your lunch break. Yeah. I hope my bosses aren't here. I noticed today that like when there's a blood moon, so when the screen goes all red and... So scary now. Blood moon is like this phenomenon in the game and it's super scary and then all the enemies come back to life.

But I was in a stable when this happened. And when the blood moon is starting to rise, you see all these like red tentacle, red fires everywhere. And it's super spooky. The dog at the stable started barking. And then he stopped barking when the blood mood ended and like started rolling over. it's just this little thing this dog is like really mad about the blood which makes sense

if you guys seen this is there really not a way to pet the dogs in this game? Well I'm sure this has been discussed on social media if you build a giant hand go on

I'm listening and then you smack it a couple of times I don't know how softly you can pet it but you can do anything in this game that's true you do anything but it is weird that you have to called ultra-hand, but you can't actually use it.

I know. What happens if you use ultra-hand on the dog? Anything? Nothing? Has anyone tried this? No, I don't think it does anything. I do know you can run in a circle around the dog, and it does little hearts. Right. It, like, we'll roll over for you, and it does all these amazing little doggy animations. It rolls over and shows you its belly, and you can't rub its belly. I know.

Which is why the game sucks. It makes me very sad. It really would have. You'll have to resort to petting your real dog in real life. Oh, God. What are you going to do? I feel like if I were actually trying to come up with a list of, like, likes and dislikes for review for this game.

It would be hard to come up with any dislikes. And dislikes would be like, you can't rub the dog's belly. Yeah. That's all I can, that's all I got. Yeah. No button renapping. And you can't pet the dog's belly. I do love that Link hums the songs from Zelda.

Yep. And then that made me wonder, are the Zelda songs canon in the world of Zelda? They are because he plays them on the encore. Yeah, he plays them. Right, because he played them on an ocarina. So they are canon. Mm-hmm. We've heard them a lot.

He does hum the Zelda theme. Like the main Zelda theme? I don't know. Does he ever play that in any of the games? Yeah, he does. That's the one. You guys are thinking totally different. Oh, are we?

Wait, no, you go, you go. What do you consider, oh, that one? I don't know, does he? I don't know. I think now he does. So now it's game. That was just a question I had. You probably could.

You probably could. If you're like in the N64 game and you like do different variations on the okarina you can probably create it right oh sure yeah you probably play just about anything all right well we asked uh we asked our discord the discord i feel like a youtube channel for you just got started here like we can play just about anything on an ocarina i feel like that's probably already been done like giant steps on the ocarina of time i'm sure that's out there dueling banjos all right so we asked our discord for some questions for the show. By we, I mean I.

Earlier today. And we got a few questions, so I'm going to ask them to both of you. This one will be for Maddie first. This comes from Dr. Synthesizer, which is a great username. It is. It would be a great band name as well. Dr. Synthesizer asks, if you got fused to one of Link's items, what benefits would you confer? Can people be fused?

In this world they can. they can in this hypothetical. But I mean in tiers can they be? I don't know. I guess Korox can't are Korox people? No, well no because you can't fuse. You're right. You're right though. I know that was crazy. I'm like that. You can fuse their backpacks. You have to use their

backpacks. Right but not them. You can't use ultramed on right. You can fuse. Wait hold on you can't like to your sword. No you can't you can't. No that's a altering. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They're confusing. So this is a difficult question for me because That's not how news works. You better stick that groan in and editing. That's why we recorded it.

Yeah, okay. Go ahead, sir. We're going to distract me. I mean, I still have no good answer. I guess I'm just going to fuse myself with a key sideball, so I'd always know where to go. Okay. All right, all right.

Wait, are you guys not going to answer this? No, Jason's going to answer. The question is, what benefit would you get if you refused to a sword? Oh, well, if I refuse with a sword, as ever said. Well, I'd be really sharp, I guess. I'd be on a sword. In the game, I would just be like sort of balanced on the top of it. Right, but what benefit would you give Link, like plus whatever to the sword?

Yeah. I don't know. Not understanding questions very much. That would be helpful. That's good. All right. Jason, what benefit would be? I think I would just yell at enemies to death. Just scream at them until they're...

Yeah, just scream at them. Nice. What about you? I don't know. I would interrupt... You would make it so Link can't die. I would... Yeah.

No, I would interrupt fights to, like, issue corrections. Okay. I would bing my way into... You'd be like, champ... The story, like, interrupts, and it's like, actually... That's recall. You basically have recall for our podcast. That's true.

That's true. You do. I was thinking about that I should come up with a way to Bing into this live. I know. But you didn't come up with a way? But I didn't come up with a way. You didn't hire a perfect doppelganger of yourself to run on stage and interrupt with a correction? No, it would be amazing because if I did it, like, the moment of the Bing, when I'm recording the Bing,

this is when I interrupt the show to correct something. The two of you aren't there. I know. So I have the show all to myself. And it's really, you are a god. Yeah. It feels a little bit like playing God. You have to be very responsible.

I mean, we already trust you to edit the show as it is. Which is like you could edit out, important context. or whatever, and we never know. Put words together, make us say anything. Yeah, I know. So I would make this word very powerful, is what we're saying. Yeah, you could, yeah, you could just, I would give it full editing power to cancel anybody.

Yeah, yep. Just delete things. Okay, next question comes from Frisky Dingus, also a very good username. Frisky Dingus asks, what is the best town slash area theme music? A little bit of a tough one. In Zelda or in any game?

In this game. In any real town? Well, have you guys done to do in real time? Okay, this is my answer for both Zelda and real life. Tarrytown. Yeah, that's good. Which, by the way, I was wondering this on Twitter the other day. So there's, you guys are going to get this because we're in New York.

You guys may not get this because you're foreigners. But there's an area of the game called Tarrytown, and the mayor of Tarrytown is named Hudson. Like, what the heck? Like, is Nintendo based in Westchester? You guys don't get it. There was some regional humor from Jason for all of us. Some New York humor.

So is Hudson the guy, the sign guy is all? Is Addison is trying to hold out? And you meet him in the first game. I never did that quest, but he's a big part of building the whole thing. And so that's why they worship him, which is a little weird. Sure. That Addison is like really. He's really into the boss of his company.

I haven't been to Terry Town. Anyway, Terry Town is really good music, is what I'm trying to say. Any favorites? Oh, I really like the depth's music. It's spooky and cool. It is cool. And it's new. I mean, Kirk, I know we were talking early on about the preview for the game,

and you were like, it kind of seems like it's a lot of the same music. But there's a lot of new music. There is. They front load a lot of the new music, too. And this, of course, is not a surprise to anybody. But all the sky music is very saxophony. It is. There's so much saxophone happening.

Some lovely alto sax players in their ensemble playing all the time. And the depth's music is new, too. And it's cool. It is cool. The depths are cool. The depths are cool. I'm a fan. Even though they poison you.

Oh, I guess you guys published the tip from Russ Freshdick that if you're in the depths, you shouldn't use arrows. That's right. To attach them through the scenes. Just throw them. Throw them. Totally didn't think of that until I saw it on the internet. Yeah.

Stop wasting arrows down there, guys. See, I shouldn't be wasting arrows at all. I need to just be diving and throwing stuff. I've learned a lot today. Diving and throwing stuff. I'm going to beat that ice dragon, guys. Right after this. Can you do it right out?

You could do it while we... It was a lot of pressure. It would be gripping. I'm just silent for the rest of the show. Yeah. Concentrating. It would be gripping because we don't have a switch dock. No.

Nobody would be able to see it. And we, of course, wouldn't say anything. No, no. Well, because I'd need to concentrate. Yeah, exactly. Is this a type of Twitch streaming, like, where people play as, like, a handheld switch and describe what's happening? I would maybe watch that.

I could see that catching on and becoming very popular with the kids. In a bathtub. So we had one other... I don't know why it's so popular, but they're getting so many views. We had one more question. This was from a couple of people, Ellie and Space Dog,

also asked this question or version of it, about the future of Zelda, which I thought would be a good topic for us. The question is, basically, what direction do y'all see the series going after this one? Like, is this a sign of where Zelda is going in the future?

Are they all going to be this way? Like, the next 3D Zelda, or are there going to be no more 2D Zeldos? The next 16 Zelda's, Or just more DLC for Breath of the Wild. It just gets more and more elaborate. I mean, this one sold 10 million copies in three days. Yeah.

Yeah. Really? So what is that, though? 100%. I mean, they said in an interview, actually, Aegeanuma, the producer of the series said that this is like this level of freedom is what they're going for. I don't think they'll do another one set in the same map the way that these did. But I think they'll go for the same like physics and building things and big open world that you can climb everything.

thing, which I think is cool. It would be cool if they also did like 2D Zelda that were a little more traditional, like to supplement them. Sort of like how Square Unix has like Final Fantasy games that are big 3D action games and also has like Octopath Traveler. And how Metroid does that like once every 17 years. Yeah. Once every four presidents.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You get like a 2D and a 3D Metroid and then the millennia pass again. But yes, I think that's the answer. I think like Breath of the Wild is. sold 30 million copies where like before that the best-selling Zelda game was like 8 million copies. So we're talking about stratosphere. Do you think like, I don't know, taking this to its logical conclusion, we basically wind up with Minecraft?

Like if they, you know, they just keep going to where you can like fully destroy the world and build like any kind of building out of anything that you want to? Like is that the direction they have to keep going now basically that they've established okay, we're doing more of freedom in the next one. So in the next one it's going to be even more free. What does that even look like though? Right, I don't know. It looks like Minecraft.

Yeah. I'm just going to do the wild card and say I don't think they're going to keep going with this. I mean, I think they will to an extent, but I also think Nintendo just likes to do weird spin-offs. There's like four Tingle games that, like, no one talks about. Like, I feel like they're just going to do something totally different and weird, and everyone will be like, why did they do that? I'll play it. Yeah. It's kind of like the, don't you have a prediction about the Switch? Like, the Fallout Switch is not going to be.

anything like this way. Like it won't be backward. It'll be like, it'll be like goggles that you have to wear like a VR headset. It's kind of like

is Nintendo going to stay true to form and keep sort of flamixing everyone with weird decisions that make everybody mad. I mean tears of the kingdom like people looked at that

and they're like oh my god I can't believe they're doing the sequel in the same world but then you play it and it feels like a totally different game I think

it does like with aesthetic similarities. It depends on what you're doing in the game because it's kind of six different games. When I'm just walking around doing Korok puzzles and stuff, there are times where I'm like

I'm feeling overwhelmed this because I feel like I didn't even finish breath of the while. There was so much of it. I'm just doing that again. And now there's three times as much. He didn't know what Korak seeds really were, Jason. Yeah, that's true. Man, Kurt. He didn't know what they were. No, it's true. Now I don't want any more. Yeah, man.

I'm at my limit. I got to get those inventory slots. Not hygienic. So one related question that occurred to me upon reading this question, is what is Mario going to do? Yes, he okay? Has anybody checked in on that guy? Yeah.

I mean, his movie did pretty well, so he's probably feeling pretty good about that. He's probably doing it good. But, like, what are they going to do with Mario? Like, is the follow-up to Mario Odyssey going to be similar where it, like, takes the same ideas, and then blows the mountain stuff? Well, I think he's going to go to business school for a few years,

then maybe launch a startup. Like, does Nintendo become a company that makes games about making stuff in the game? Like, are they going to lean into that because it does so well, and it's so shareable and interesting, and makes people want to play the game. Take a gap year in Europe, go off to find himself.

I don't know. What do you think Mario is going to do? I don't know. I think, well, Mario Odyssey was an interesting kind of spin on that whole formula. Spun his hat. That was a reference to Cappy. Yeah. The hat spinning through the air.

Another groan for Kirk Campbell. I liked it. Thanks. Thank you, Maddie. Yeah. I like how it was your idea to conjure the groans from the audience. I'm really going to use them when I'm only free. They're being very supportive.

Yeah, I don't know. That's a good question. I mean, you're the future Nintendo employee. Oh, that's true. I should have the ideas. I don't know. It would be weird, I think, if Mario became more of a creative game. It just feels like they're moving in that direction. Yeah, I don't think it'll be that. Okay, fair.

But that's its own entity. Yeah, I have no idea what they'll do for the next Mario. But I think the Mario Odyssey model is pretty good. And the idea of being able to collect moons in the world and not getting sent back to like a level screen, level select screen I think is pretty effective.

Yeah, I'm very interested in what I don't know what that series says next. I've always been more of a Zelda person than a Mario person. Yeah, everybody got really quiet. Samma started making stuff. We're all just thinking about Mario. Yeah. I'm not. Like, ah, that little plumber. This is like the moment when we like bring things down. It really makes us happy. Just talk about Mario. We're living

in the home of the Mario. We're there right now. We're in Brooklyn, New York. We are in Brooklyn. Are you saying he's here? Yeah, probably. I don't know. Mario, are you here? And it's my... No, we don't have... Can you imagine if just Chris Pratt walked out?

So Chris Pratt is Mario now? Yeah, he is. Oh, man. Not my Mario. Hashtag. They're with me. The people are with me. I did see Waluigi. in front before I came in.

Yeah, oh no. But we don't know who came in. But I didn't want to acknowledge it. You don't want to make eye contact. No, that guy, he'll never let you go if you start talking to him. Yeah, I know. So awkward.

Well, this is normally the time of the show where we take a break and then we do one more thing. So I suppose, let's take a break and then we'll be back with one more thing. I mean, I brought my switch. Nice. I'm glad you said that because nobody says that. Can I just say thank you to you for such a

thoughtful interview? Oh my God. Yeah, I think you nailed it. Bullseye. Interviews with creators you love and creators you need to know. Listen to the Bullseye podcast only from NPR and Maximum Fun. Hey, I'm Dan McCoy. I'm Stuart Wellington. And I'm Elliot Kalin. Listen, you like podcasts, right? Sure you do. Don't try and lie to me. You're listening to one right now. So why not try a different one called R1, the Flop House? Uh-huh. And on the Flop House, we watch a movie and talk about it. And then sometimes we also so do other stuff. It's all meant to be funny and fun,

and we think you'll have a good time. And just to be clear, the name of the podcast is not our one, The Flop House. It's just called The Flop House. I do a lot of correcting Dan. The Flop House.

A lot of correcting Dan. All right, and we're back. Hey, look. Oh, okay. Fine. Sorry, this one's all ready. We normally actually do, we just go right back after the break.

You think that we're taking a break, but we don't usually take a break. We just keep talking. Every no and then. I can't believe you're telling them that we live. I know. That's kind of true. We shouldn't say we're taking a break. What should we say? Now for some maximum fun network promos.

I mean that's honest. Right, we should keep it totally 100 with them. We're really going to do one more thing and then we'll take some questions from you all. So be thinking of your questions. I'll tell you now as you think of your questions, we have two guidelines. We can make them rules. We have two rules. One, keep it kind of short if you can. A lot of people will probably want to ask questions and two, have a question. There has to be a question. Sounds simple, but... Be sure that there is a question at the end. Your voice should go up.

If you wrote it out, there would be a question one. Okay, so be thinking. We'll call on you all in a moment. One more things, Maddie, why don't you go first? Sure. So I... This is a while ago, but it's still impacting my life every day. I recently purchased a dual monitor arm

for my two monitors. and installing it was terrifying, but worth it. I did have to balance the monitors very carefully. Like while you screw in the thing? Can you explain what a dual monitor arm is? Okay, so, you know, normally a monitor just is on a piece of plastic. A little foot.

And there's only so much you can do about how tall it is. So, for example, if you're very short, if you're me, your monitor might be too high no matter what you do, and you might really want it to be a lot lower and there's absolutely nothing for it unless you get a monitor arm which is basically a lever so it has multiple, I'm making motions

this is an audio podcast, it's a lever so you can adjust the monitor to be whatever height you want and you can even pull it like really close to your face for some reason if you wanted to it's stretchy. It's very immersive gaming. You can put it up really freaking high you could put it like way off to the side

you could like angle them. I have them angled right now because I don't have a curved monitor like Kirk does. Can't all be fancy. I know. But hey, I'm feeling pretty fancy now because I'm not straining my neck every freaking day. But again, terrifying. Have you two ever installed a monitor arm? Oh, man, yes.

Unlike some large monitors. It's scary, isn't it? You're like holding it up and screaming in. Yeah, you're like, I got this. I'm going to drop it on its face and it's going to be disduring. You're not thinking about how expensive the monitor was. You're not thinking about that. I find with, I have used various monitor arms.

Yep. And, like, the better you get the ergonomics on your desk, especially if you play video games that's your desk. Like, the more I'm like, okay, so soon I'm just going to be lying down in dread with, like, a monitor extended over my eyes while I just like totally relaxing. And they make, like, gaming beds that are like that. Gelatin, like immobile, like no body parts touching anything. Because once you start, it's like this could be a little more comfortable. I know. This would be a little more.

I know. Kirk, your future is like the people in Wally. Yeah. Yes, 100%. With just like a straw for my soft drink. And just float around in my chair. Yeah, it'll be great. I think I'm done.

I mean, we'll see. But I feel like between this and my, my Herman Miller chair, I'm like, I can't get better than this. You always think you're done, but then there's something else. I know. I know. I don't know what it is. But for now, I'm very, very happy with it. And I do know quite a few people who are like, I'm scared to install it.

Just do it. It's going to be okay. So you wish you had Lynx Ultra Hand. Oh, God. Oh, my God. Can you imagine? And there's just a bunch of gorilla glue on the back. Weird green stuff.

Just gross green glue It's green goop Oh my god Monitor arms All right that's Maddie's one more thing Jason I have been rewatching a TV show called BoJack Horseman

It's a good show Fantastic show It's a really good rewatch Because like you notice a lot of things On rewatch For you aren't familiar It's a show about a depressed horse It does have a horse

You realize you're like wait a minute It's a man It's a horse I thought he was a man, but it turns out he's a horse. Who has sex with human women. Yes. Never, never explains. It's just not a thing.

A couple of funny things I noticed on this rewatch. One is that there's a lot of little details you know. So there's like this important scene in the second season where he has to say the line, how did you, or what are you doing here? And he can't do it right. But then throughout the rest of the season, every time he like finds someone, he's like, what are you doing here? And he like does it in like different.

versions that actually would have worked perfectly. And then you notice, like, little things, like how in the background of episodes, there are, like, these fake movie posters, including my favorite, which is for a movie called Uncle Cuck. It's Uncle Cuck starring Robert Downey Jr. And Channing Tatum. Or, sorry, not Robert Downey, Jr. I mean, that sounds good.

No, it is Robert Downey Jr., someone like that. No, Robert De Niro. even better even funnier same thing same guy and Robert's in here it's like

it's like the tagline is someone's getting cucked and and then and then in the next season there's another poster

and it's called son of cuck so just a very enjoyable show to watch to rewatch highly highly recommend some bojack horseman

so holds up very well one of the best jokes on that show is that George Clooney is named George Clooner's. And he's a prank official one of them. An unstoppable prankster.

And anytime I hear about George Clooney, I'm like, ah, George. That prankster. Well, my one more thing is also a show. Did we, no, we have a physical object and two television shows this week. A show called Somebody Somewhere

on HBO. Okay. Everyone applauding right now knows what they're talking about. This show is super great, and I don't think that many people watch it or know about it. So that is why I'm making it my one more thing.

I might have made it a one more thing earlier, but then clearly I didn't because... Or maybe people just don't listen to me. No, I didn't. You would remember? It doesn't exactly. I feel like I would remember. Okay.

So somebody somewhere stars an actor named Bridget Everett and another actor named Jeff Heller. It was co-created by two people who haven't made that many things. And it's kind of like if Schitt's Creek was about actual down-and-out people in Kansas. So it's like not a really elevated comedy where it's like super funny comedians being ridiculous. It's like about actual people, but it's very, very funny. It's about a woman who returns home to her small town in Kansas, kind of to her, like, family who are having all kinds of problems, and she's just sort of lost her way, and is back in town, and she strikes up a friendship

with this guy. So it's, his name is Joel, her name is Sam, and it's kind of, I think the blurb described the show as the great platonic love story returns for season two, and they're now in their second season. And so it's a show about, it's basically a platonic love story. It's the story of these two people falling in friend-love with one another. And I honestly, like all of you here, go watch somebody somewhere. It's so good. My sister recommended it to me, and I'd never even heard of it. Kirk's sister noted for discovering yellow jackets before anyone else. That's true. Amanda Hamilton, shout out. She hits me to a lot of good shows. And she was like, you got to watch this show, somebody somewhere. And I kept me like, yeah, whatever, I don't know what that is. I've

never heard of it. It doesn't sound like there's any cannibalism or anything, so I'm not going to watch it. You would actually be surprised. Platonic canner. Only platonic cannibalism is true. But no, it's really, really wonderful. It's just one of the best friendships I've seen. And I don't know, I've been, like, a lot of shows are kind of disappointing right now.

Ted Laso has just become, like, a giant mess right now. I don't know, maybe not everyone agrees with me about that. I'm still just watching season after season of below deck. So it's just gotten very sloppy. This is a widely, um... What did you say you're watching me? I said I mentioned below deck and the people. Oh, my goodness.

we have actually become a below-deck household. Oh, finally. Emily is fully obsessed and I've been watching it. I'm converting more and more people to below-deck. Below-deck is actually great. It is really good. I was going to make that one of my more thing, but I haven't watched quite enough. You're talking about like a HBO show, like feelings.

So it is wonderful anyways, and a lot better than some of the other things we've been watching. So anytime I watch it, I think, more people should watch this show. HBO, I'm sure we'll cancel it after seasons. What's it called? Remind us when it's called. somebody somewhere. It's on HBO. And it's really good. Cool. All right. Well, normally this is where we would end our show. But we're not going to do that.

We're not going to do that. We're going to take some questions. So there is a microphone here, a wireless microphone. And I think we probably should just have people come up to ask questions. If you want to come around. All right, we've got one ready to go. And maybe, yeah, just grab it and maybe hand it to the... So why don't we make an orderly cue?

And remember the rules? Orderly. And, yes, orderly. It looks very orderly so far. All right. And yeah, let's get going. And say your name before you. Hi, my name is Danny. I'm D&EXE on the Discord. Oh, all right.

Discord user. First up. Hey, man. Shout out, guys. Anyway, my question, and this is one where you can insert a groan. On scale of 1 to 10, how excited are you guys for the Sue Codin remasters? And do you kind of wish you had waited? How excited are we? We got a 10 there.

play them. Yeah, so I would say that I'm kind of like a three or something because we spent all this time replaying Sweet Code and 2. That now I'm like, well, I'm not going to play. But aren't you excited to play the good version now? I mean, I say this now, but right, in a year I'll be like, oh, some replaying Sweet Coat in 2. It's actually really good. Oh, that would be a good secret replay. That's true.

Or Sweet Coat in 3. Well, it's Maddie's turn, so Maddie has to figure this out. What is there to say? One to 10, you got to give us a number. Zero. Guys, I'm not excited. It's a zero. Yeah, yeah, fair enough.

No, no, no, no, no. I'll give it a two because I'm not going to play it, but I do think it's cool that they're fixing the translation issues, which were one of my biggest hurdles in that game. Significant. Serious answer. Yes. But un-serious answer is zero. And also serious answer is now zero.

Okay. So a three and a ten to answer your question. Let's get our next question. Hi, guys. My name's Brandon. Hey, Brandon. First time, long time, all that. All of you, either, all of you, um,

currently work or have worked in games journalism world what's an idea for an article or a piece that you loved that for some reason just wasn't published or you never got to write yeah a little darling of yours everyone looks at Jason we're just like so what are the scoops you could never reveal no for me it's going to be like the stupidest shit like stuff that was at kataku I would always do like dumb things

yeah you wrote like RIP Luigi I have one I have like when I uh when I ranked review scores. I think number one was six. And then it was all like... Oh, that's right. That was good. We pretty much got to publish a lot of the dumb ideas that we had. I have a way with a lot. I have a serious one.

I would totally read a really deeply reported piece about what it's like to work at FromSoft. Because I don't think I've ever seen that and it's never... So I just would love to read it. Everyone, learn Japanese. Yes. That's one of the reasons it hasn't been published. But I would read it. I would love to see

that. So that is a piece that I've never seen. and we'd love to see. See, these two are editors are working at it, and they're going to have to give away their story ideas. I'm going to try to publish these things. Yeah, right.

You're still working on it. All the answers I could do. A guide to the shrines in the legend is all that too. We're working on those shrines, folks. Pour one out for the Polygon Guides team. I mean, you guys are doing a valuable service. He really are. He really are.

So I think I would just be like, well, I would go back in time and get to review all the Metroid games for the first time or something. You do it now. You're thinking about the cultural context. But there's something cool about having to get a game for the first time. You could never mimic. You could be like one of those people who hated Metroid Prime.

Yeah. Because there were a lot of people who hated it. Well, but I loved it even then. So I wouldn't have been one of those people. No. I just meant you could have been. I could have been. I could have been.

And I still could be. That's true. When I go back in time. All right. You're up. Next question. Hey, my name's Danny. My question is, is there a job or hobby that you think would make a good video game?

Very quick example. I really like photography in video games. So Pokemon Snap. So Pokemon Snap or Zelda, the Cameroon. And then real quick, just also Ace Attorney, like being a lawyer is a good example. Is there any job or hobby that you think would make a good game but has not been made into a game? I think a really fun one would be being a stage manager. Like doing lights and like sound and stuff for.

for like different live shows, and so you have to do that, and that's the game. Yeah. Can you put together? Or like being a director and having to emotionally manipulate all of your performers.

Yeah. That would be great. I think there should be a game where you're an IT guy, and like 90% of the problems are just, have you checked that it's plugged in? Have you turned it off and turned it on? Is there a hair styling game?

That would be really, really fun. Like where you have to kind of like get really good. And also like not mess it up because once you cut, you can't go back. and all that. You have to deal with an unhappy client afterwards. Always the magic of getting your haircut in the Witcher

where you go and you're like, I want long hair and then he just gets long hair. You can't do that in this game. That would be cool. All right. Next question. Hi, my name's Steve. I'm wondering if Nintendo were to now make a Legend of Zelda movie,

what Chris Pratt-level surprise voice actor would you pick? And which New York City Borough accent would they have? Oh, man, okay. Who would play Link? Steve Bichemy Gilbert Godfrey people with the least

I think Gilbert Godfrey's dead Yeah Oh, is he? Yeah They can like have an AI Recrues You're learning a lot of new things tonight Governor Godfrey

Carexeats Yeah Oh that's right he did die I'm gonna go with Kristen Stewart I just think she'd be good All right She could be anybody All right

So Steve Bouchemy Kristen Stewart Or an AI recreation of There you go. Who's to say? Those are our answers. Next question, please. Hi.

Hello. I'm Valian. I like your shirt. Oh, thank you. Thank you. The shirt says, do you want to tell us what your shirt says? It says, you wouldn't download a video game. In the classic font.

Very good. I think I got it on hard times. That's good. Yeah. Good website. It's your job to find time to play video. video games and I was wondering with so many video games how is it you guys Excuse to yourself devoting time to get good at for example from soft games or fighting games or

A lot of times FPS if you're not playing a lot of them you kind of lose the skills. Yeah, so when you're devoting a lot of time to a single game How do you stop the other games from whispering in your ears? Man, it's a good question and a hard one, one that we don't always have a good answer to you. Because it's sort of a multifaceted question because it's like how do you find the time or justify the time especially when there are other games? You know, I'm really thinking about this

because Street Fighter 6 is about to come out and I've gone through periods of time in my life pre-Dena where all I would do is play Street Fighter and I wasn't playing any other games I would just play Street Fighter and I'm kind of like I don't think that could be me anymore. I don't, I feel like that I'm not, I'm not 19 years old anymore, so that's one key difference.

But I don't know. Do you, do you, do you two, I mean, you haven't maybe had that experience, but have you ever had a moment of just being like, wow, I just want to play this one game to the exclusion of everything else I've ever been interested in? I mean, destiny for a big. Yeah, for both of you. Don't cheer for destiny. Yeah, what's going on?

You guys okay? No, it's okay. Destiny's cool. Yeah, I mean, I definitely had that for Destiny when I was working at Kataki. I remember, oh, I should play other things, but you like kept getting stuck back in. Well, yeah, it's just like I remember I would be

with Destiny 1, I remember I would be sitting in our living room when my wife and I lived in Manhattan pre-kids and I would be playing on the headset and once she was like to me, it sounds like you hate that game, why do you keep playing? Because all I would do is talk to Kirk in the rest of our rating, Everybody's about how awful.

I was like, oh, my God, freaking destiny. Yeah, yeah. I've been having a hard time this year just making time to really get into any one game. Like, we haven't, I haven't finished that many games this year that I've started. Well, I mean, you've all, you've been, like, banking all of your time reserves for Zelda.

This is going to be a problem, because Zelda is going to take us all, like, 40 years to beat. And then, and all this other stuff, where, like, normally we talk about... Well, like, Diablo is coming out of her. Things. Oh, Diablo and Final Fantasy. The one game boy.

One game boy. One game boy. Maybe they're referring to Kirk's ability to only play one game at one. I'm the one game at one. I'm the one game boy. I am the one game boy. I guess I always have been. I'm sort of singular in my focus.

It's been hard to get back into the groove even with Zelda. Partly we're about to move and there's a lot going on in my life. Yeah, there's like a live show or something. It's like preventing us from playing Zelda. Come to New York for your live show. But no, it's tough. There's not a good answer. I mean, you were on a plane for six hours.

Yeah, but even then, like, I find that I play Zelda for a little bit, and then I'm kind of like, okay, I've got so much I want to do. And then I kind of am like, I don't know, man. Like, I play a little bit. I'm like, I want to take a nap. Or like, I want to go read my book. I don't know. I feel like this is kind of a relatable thing. Maybe you're done with video games.

Yeah. Maybe you've grown out of video games. Oh, no. Existential moment over here. That would be crazy. I'd be like, I was trying to play Zelda and I just realized. So you've learned three things tonight. You've learned, like, coric seeds are poop.

You've learned Gilbert Alfred is dead. And you've learned that you hate video games. It's been a real learning night for me. Wow. No, I'll find the group. I remember it took me a while with Breath of the Wild. Went to New York and found yourself. It was a feeling of, I think I had to almost finish the game with Breath of the Wild

until I really just relaxed and was like, I'm just going to do a million things in this game and like spend a whole weekend playing it. It is kind of hard to get in a groove with it because it's so distracting too. Like every time you turn around, there's something else you could do in it. Also true. But it's good when it's on a handheld, because you, you can be like, okay, I'm just going to take this and play an hour before bed while watching TV. It's smaller. It fits in your life better because it's smaller.

Exactly. I think that helps. It's the small theory of games. Yeah. Nice. Let's get another question. Hi, how you doing? I'm Bryant. So Zolda can out this week. That was amazing. I've been playing it. It's incredible. But another game that I love this week, unfortunately, hasn't had such a good week, which is Overwatch. Yeah. Yeah. And I was really looking forward to the PV. I know a lot of people were. and I know that Jason and you and a lot of people on Twitter were defending like the devs and thank you for doing that because I'm a software developer and we you know our passion is to just build and we work behind the scenes

and we work really hard and sometimes that stuff doesn't come out because of X, Y or Z but it seems like a lot of AAA games recently have kind of suffered from whether it's lack of direction or not enough time and commitment from the publishers There's just been a lot of games that have been released that haven't really lived up to expectations in recent memory. Games like Zelda and Eldering...

Yeah. But Zelda and Elder Ring being like examples of games that did, but a lot of games just haven't. Do you think this age of AAA games is kind of coming to an end in a way? Are we going to see a change in the way these games are released? And yeah, I guess. Yeah, I mean, the biggest factor here is that COVID,

hit. I hope that's not a surprise to you too, Kirk. Wait, what's COVID? So, in March of 2020, well, so there was this pandemic, and what that did was a lot of things. I mean, first of all, it obviously hampered a lot of game development studios because everybody had to shift to working from home, and there was this whole pandemic thing and childcare and all that stuff that led to a lot of delays. But also, it created this environment where people, like, have adapted to remote

work and become accustomed to a remote work and are switching out of studios that don't allow for remote work and really are being more mobile in general and there's a lot of attrition across game studios and there's a lot of game studios that are like struggling to hire people and to retain people and it all kind of adds up into problems along the lines of what you were just talking about so I think that's the biggest factor and I think I see everything through the lens of the psychonauts documentary now this is psych Odyssey how many people here watch Psychotic. I'm glad you're watching it.

That's pretty good. Yeah, the numbers are all right. It's not like a billion people have watched it, but they should. I mean, yeah. I don't know. I look at the YouTube numbers and like some guy yelling about how whatever game is terrible has like 5 million views and Psychodicy has like a couple hundred thousand. Those are low quality views.

I feel like the psychonestries are like good views. Yeah, those are just Korox watching that. Watching that, like when I hear that the Overwatch 2 news, they have to cut PVE and like remove all the stuff. watching that series, man, it really does make you feel like it's a miracle that anything ever gets finished. And you see how hard it is to sit around

and like brainstorm and then send people off to do their thing and then they come back and they show you and you're trying to like collaboratively figure out what you're even trying to accomplish. And even the language in that Overwatch 2 announcement where they're like, it's just not where we want it. It's just not fun. We have to cut it.

You can really picture that. Like they're all sitting around playing it and they're like, this just isn't working. Man, I don't know. Well, that specifically also, their director and executive producer left like two years ago. So this is not a game that is like consistently carrying a consistent vision. Which I guess goes to the attrition.

Yeah, I mean, that's the biggest factor. So that's part of it anyways. Let's get another question. Hey guys. I'm Dallas. I just wanted to say, I don't know if I can speak for anybody else, but I appreciate you guys putting spotlight on a lot of games, including some of my new favorite games like Disco Elysium, persona, and Hollywood. night.

Three good ones. Never would have heard about most of them if it wasn't for you guys, so I appreciate it, truly. My only question is mostly rhetorical. It's for Kirk. Did you think we would not notice the strong songs playlist before the show?

I wondered if anybody would. But then the biggest ball of Twine in Minnesota came on and I was like every song happened to that, I was like is he serious? Does he really think that? I don't think I've ever been in a bar that's played that song before. Cheers, I'm glad you noticed. Trying to get some weird owl over the speakers, you know?

Yeah, indeed. My name is, my name is Devin. I've been a listener since the split screen days. Oh, thanks. So, on, the switches are getting pretty old at this point, and there's all this anticipation of when a new hardware, when I was going to come. Do you guys think it'll be an iterative update, i.e. a new Nintendo Switch Excel, or a backwards compatible successor, i.e. and you, Nintendo, Switch, you. Well, Jason made a bet

that it would be a totally unrelated piece of hard bet, or did I make a bet, or did I just make a prediction? Well, it's part of our prediction bet. No, no, no, no, no. I was going to say what I told you was that next year, if it's not announced by the end of this year, one of my bet. So this isn't one of your predictions, actually. It's not a prediction of this year.

But what Kirk was going to say is that one of my predictions next year might be that, that Nintendo's Next hardware has nothing to do with the Switch. It is a totally unrelated thing, not backwards compatible. Just because everybody wants, just like the same thing, but more powerful. And Nintendo never does what everybody wants.

They never do. They simply know. They like to confound us. Exactly. So that's Jason. It would just be very Nintendo. It's going to be smaller and worse. Yeah. Smaller, worse, less powerful. Yeah. I think they will release a new more powerful switch. That's what I think.

I think I didn't predict. So I'm going to say they will. Nice. We're going to make it. We're going to manifest it. So that's what we think. Next question. You're up. Jason, I read Bull Your Books back last year. I love them. Thank you. So I was wondering about video game journalism. Washington Post shut down launcher this year.

I was wondering like how do this legacy media get more into video game journalism? Like in New York Times? Because I don't think they have any full-time video game reporters over there. Do you think they should buy like a video game website like IGN or anything? Just trying the video game journalism? Should the New York talks buy IGN? Can you imagine that? Headlines? That would be something.

Yeah, I don't know. One thing that I will say, I pointed this out to a few people, I don't think I've ever said it publicly, but I think that like, so I'm a reporter for Bloomberg, and I'm not part of, like, the Bloomberg video game section.

I'm part of the Bloomberg tech slash entertainment team. And I think there's something a little bit dangerous about being part of, like, a branded vertical, like Launcher was. Launcher was the Washington Post, video game section because when the executives at the top of the company

are making pay cuts so Jeff Bezos can buy another planet they can look at this launcher thing and be like launcher what the hell is that like we don't need that chop we're going to save all these salaries just because it just looks like an

easy target and that's happened a few times over the course of media and especially games media like big legacy media so I think the correct way to do it would be for a newspaper or a website to treat games like another beat. And first you start with one beat reporter, maybe you add another. And that's what Bloomberg has done. And for us, it's worked really well.

So now we have two reporters, myself and my colleague, Cecilia, covering the games industry, which I think certainly makes me feel more secure than I would if it was like Bloomberg, like, I don't know, pixels or whatever. Yeah. I think that's a good way to go about it. The last time I had an opinion about this was when I worked for the Phoenix, which went out of business. But when I worked there, that was how we covered games. There wasn't some specialty video game section. It was part of the entertainment section, and it was something that one of the editors there,

Peter Kastis, really cared about. And he was like, games are art. We're going to cover them in the entertainment section. There were some editors there who weren't a fan of that. But he had enough sway there that he was just like, no, this is how we need to run this. And so I always felt like the coverage I was doing was safe. And that's why I personally put the paper out of business. And I take full blame for it.

You should have taken over a stable. Cheated the owner out of their stable. Yeah. Nice. Next question. You're up. Hey, my name's Dan. So as a perpetual horizon fan where the first game got overshadowed by Breath of the Wild, and the second game got overshadowed by Eldon Ring. I'm wondering what are games?

that you really enjoyed that you feel didn't get enough attention because they came out like I don't know during like a Mario or some other really big release Titanfall 2 that's one that comes in mind for me that's yeah that's the infamous one that game was so good although it's gotten its stripes over time I guess so but like when it came it just didn't sell well and it wasn't really seen as a success and when it came out it was like I feel like EA released it a week after Battlefield 1 and then they just got totally drowned out by everything else that fall and it was so good It was such a good game. And nobody played it except for the five people who clapped. Just now. I don't know. Maybe Star Wars Jedi Survivor a little bit right now.

A little bit, maybe. Well, the bummer for that is I'm waiting for the PC version to get patched. I know. I will play it at some point. So I might dip back in. I'll finish that at some point. Yeah, it was really fun. I'm almost done, I think.

I'm fighting the evil Jedi dude. So I don't know. Okay. Well, you're fighting the evil Jedi area. I do. Yeah. With a lot of well I haven't gotten

to the part where I assume Bowd betrays you yet. Oh, right. That's right. That's still your You did. I said your children's lives

on that or something? Yeah. You did. You literally, but you put your children's lives on it. I will give you my children if Boad does not betray you. I don't think either of us

will agree to that. Wow. So it's a safe bet for one. It is a safe bet. All right. Well, that's a few, a few anyways. Next question.

I'm Ben. Long time. first time. It's such a pleasure to see you guys altogether here on stage. Yeah, thank you for coming. Mainly Jason, but all of you guys.

I'm a Final Fantasy fan as you are, Jason, as everybody is. What am I supposed to do when Final Fantasy 16 comes out? I mean, like I'm like 10 hours in the breath excuse me,

I mean, tears of the kingdom. Like, how am I supposed to balance these things? Do I take a break? Do I just like, wait? What am I supposed to do? You guys are experts. It's such a pleasure to see you here live. I mean, I'm supposed to get an early review copy.

What am I supposed to do? Come on. No, I don't know. I don't know. Tell me. I think you should probably quit your job. Just become a shut-in. Just like get rid of all your other life obligations.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then maybe you'll finish. So my advice is because I am the one game boy, as we learned. Yes, to be a one game boy. I think finish the one, get to a stopping point, and then play the other. Plus, like, Final Fantasy 16 is probably going to need like a bunch of patches. It'll be messed up when it comes out. So then you can just take your time with it.

No, I think that game will be pretty solid. Another prediction from... Well, it's going to be really good, right? I mean, there's no way it's not going to be good. I mean, I think it'll be good. Don't make him comment on that. Out of the three of us, who do you think might know the answer to that? Don't make Jason.

Don't. So that's my advice. It's one game at a time. Yeah. Be a one game point. I think it'll be polished. I think that game was one of those that's been like finished for a while. They've just been polishing, polishing, polishing.

If only that happened more often. I mean, it's true. They're just tightening up the graphics. Yeah. Next question. You're up. Level three. Hey guys.

Rob, Bears and Jars on Discord. This is more for Maddie. I guess you got two can also chime in. No, this is good. If it's for Maddie. Usually questions are for Jason. Yeah. Let's complete the Trinity.

Sammis movie. Oh. Oh. Like who would be, Samus? Other than me. Steve Bouchemmy. Gilbert Godfrey. Christopher.

I mean, actually. I mean, actually, she'd be very good. I know Bree Larson's the other sort of fan casting that people pick. I think she'd be great, too. I don't know. Me. Maddie Myers. That's our pick.

I'm not tall enough. The people are with you. Cheers. Next question, come on up. How are we doing on time? Yeah, it's 901? We're good. We can go a little longer.

We can do this for another five, six hours. We just go forever. Yeah, we'll go a little longer and go ahead. Hi, my name is Jared, a big fan. So I spend a lot of time watching Link to the Past randomizer, which... Right on. Love that. For those who don't know, it's the regular game, but all the item locations are

switched and Link to the Past is really cool because it makes it so depending where they are you have to beat the game in a different order. So I just want to know what game would you love to see randomized and play? Bloodborn. Oh, good news. 100%. Yeah, there is a bloodborne. Oh, is there? Oh, I've never played it.

Oh, man, all right. You have to play like a hacked version of the game or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know there's like an Eldon Ring boss randomizer too where like if you go to a boss, it could be any boss, which sounds terrifying. Return of the Oberiden. Oh, man. If only that were possible. Yeah, or Case of the Golden Idol.

It would just be infinitely generated and still make logical sense. Just all be a mystery, yeah, or Case of the Golden Idol. Maybe AI can do that one day. That's like one of those things that might be possible. Did you guys see that Case of the, did you guys see that case of the Golden Idol is coming to Switch? Even more people can play it. Yeah, strongly recommend.

Did I tell you I finish the DLC? It's really good, right? Yeah, it's so good. I have not yet even opened there. Oh, man. It's very good. Have you heard about Zelda? I know. I know. It's not...

Listen, I want to play it. I want to play other games. All right, let's get another one. We're going fast. Fast. We're going fast. Fast answers. Here we go. Hi. I'm Nick. So as you mentioned before, Street Fighter 6 coming out in a few weeks, but also Mortal Kombat, new game in September, new Tekken soon-ish, new undernight game leaked, huge Street Fighter prize pools. I can go on, but my point is just like fighting games seem to be doing really, really well right now,

relatively speaking for the genre. And I'm just like, yeah, why now? Like, there's something going on in the market, is, like, new technology, just something in the water. Like, what's going on? We all just want to fight each other. People just want to fight each other.

Yeah, you know, I feel like it's a different answer for each studio, which probably isn't what you're looking for. So let's say there's something in the water, but then in addition to that, I feel like for a street fighter in particular, obviously a lot of weird decisions made with Street Fighter 5. It feels like they're walking them back for Street Fighter 6. So I'm like really pulling for Capcom this time.

It seems really fun. I've played some of the betas. I'm pumped about it. Not enough of attack and person to comment on that. Mortal Kombat's just been weird and beautiful this whole dang time. So I don't know if that's like a return to form for them. But yeah, I don't know. Fighting games never died for me.

I'm like, yeah, they were always great, even when they're bad. Evo's so fun to watch. Isn't it crazy, Maddie, that the same person has been in charge of Mortal Kombat for 30 years? It's pretty not. Ed Boone. Ed Boone. I think that's the only, like, that's the only Western developer I can think of who's been in a franchise, like the franchise he created. Is Ed Boone, the guy who appears Toasties?

Is he the guy on screen? Who pops out? Toasties. I have no idea. Is he? Does anyone out there know this? Oh, it's the sound guy. Okay, I knew it was one of the developers.

It is a guy. It's a guy. It's a guy. A guy who worked on it. Ed Boone is new. Saibot. That's his name. Right. Right. That's a play on his name. All right. Let's have it. Hello, Kirk, Maddie, Jason. I just want to start by congratulating Kirk on the marriage and Jason on the new child. Thanks so much. And he kept it a secret.

Why? My name is Alex. My question is... You have to congratulate Maddie. On the marriage. Congratulations on the engagement. On the nuptial. All right. All right. It's weird, Matt. So if you guys had to get a tattoo dedicated to a video game, what video game would it be and what might that tattoo look like? Oh, I know. None of us have any tattoos, right? No.

Which is weird because we're all millennial. I know. How did this happen? Do we have? I feel like we have tattoo energy. Do we have tattoo energy? I don't think any of us do because none of us have any. I would get a grim fandango tattoo.

Really? Yeah, I think so. Because it's like a lot of square characters. kind of lend them. It would be less painful because they'd have to draw less detail. You'd get it on the old, the old bicep. I don't know. Or, like, four. Mom and a heart.

Yeah. Mani with a heart. Mani, just right. I would get the entire plot of Final Fantasy 7. Hell yeah. Like on your back? Written out and like sick script. Oh, cool.

Hell yeah. Like the train, the ghost train across your shoulders. Hell yeah. But except it would run out of, they would run out of space just when Arith is leaning down to pray. and nothing bad ever happens there. Wow. I guess it would have to be a Metroid tattoo. Yeah.

But like, I don't know. Kind of surprised you don't have a Metroid tattoo to be honest. I know. Isn't that kind of weird? It'd be kind of cool to have like an orange portal and then like portal. That would be pretty cool. So maybe that. Right. You know, mix some good tattoo ideas.

Your liver coming out of the one in the back. Yeah. Not bad. It's like mix and match different franchises. Next up. Let's have it. Hey there, I'm Jerry, and my question is, so when I was a kid, I used to read Game Pro magazines all the time, and I envisioned myself as being a games journalist, so I could just

review anything, give it a four, a five out of five, or whatever. The dream, truly the dream. But as the years progress, video games have become a big industry, obviously. You guys are in this. And my question is, what's actually more fun as video game journalists now? reviewing games or talking about big business video game stuff like Microsoft buying Activision and stuff like that I think you'll get different answers from each of us well I think reviewing games is really hard I mean it used to be my favorite thing to do but actually it's very difficult to play a game in that way I think we would all agree with

that there's a privilege to it and there's certainly something really special about getting to be the one who does it but it's hard and I really It depends on the game also. It depends how much time they gave you. Man, so usually you get like a week or two to review a game depending on the company, depending on how hot the game is coming in. Kirk and I back in 2017, we both got review codes for Persona 5 two months early and it was amazing.

Yeah, because it's like a hundred hour game. You can just take your time. You can really just play at your leisure, which is nice. I mean, my answer, I've always preferred reporting, but that's just me personally. It was just been. It was quite good. It was quite good. It was, what's your review?

We played it twice. Yeah, that's true. I played it through. 200 hours on that game. Was it good? No. No, it sucked. Steam review.

Thumbs down. I always liked reviewing games when I was working at Kotaku. One of my proudest moments reviewing a game, though actually factored in Jason's reporting to my review of Red Dead Red Dead Redemption too. So it was kind of like combining the tag team. Yeah, it felt like a tag team. You say it's, Maddie, you're right, that it takes a lot of time. It's hard.

It's a lot of pressure and stress. You're like, this seems to be good. People need to read this. Like, I really need to make this good. So the key is you start a video game podcast. Yep. And then you can just like play some of a game and then you just kind of mouth off about it for 20 minutes. It's a lot easier.

You can change your mind a week later and be like, actually, I don't like this game. No one comes after you on Twitter for it. So, yeah, those are, I guess, some answers. Next question. Hi, my name is Michael, and yes, I did bring my switch with me. Yay. Oh, all right, nice. My question is, so I'm looking to start a family soon,

and my question really for all of y'all is, what advice would you give to someone who wants to be a good lower G gamer, husband, and or dad? Okay, well, it's an adjacent question, really. We've got one dad here, but three people in committed relationships. Well, yeah, I mean, it's not just dad, it's a spouse. That's true. Lowercase G, well, don't. Okay, wait, I have one.

I mean, if you want to be a lowercase G gamer, don't harass me. people on the internet. Yeah. That's really one of the first steps. You're golden. That's, then you're pretty much there. It's true. Your overcase G. Golden. I have one piece of advice and that is if you go play games in another room like at night or whatever, you know, my wife, Emily, who's here tonight, she'll be watching TV in the living room and I'll go into my office to play games. I leave the door open. I just feel like it's nice to have the door be open. It's not like I'm like, okay, I'm going to go close myself away from you. And, like, be in my gamer room.

Leave that door open. Leave it open. And then it's just kind of like, all right, whatever. Like, we're all in the same. Well, you're playing with headphones on, I assume. Yes, I am. Okay. That's true.

Not blaring gunfire. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I don't know. That's an actual piece of advice. I think that's kind of an interesting. I mean, Dina comes in and talks to me. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

And then, right. She can come in and, like, scare me when I'm playing death. Of course. That, that also happens. Yeah. Yeah. It's great. My advice is when your wife takes your switch and plays through all of Zelda on your switch,

just buy her her own switch. That's good advice. That is good advice. That will solve a lot of potential problems. Get multiple. Because there's only one safe. Ask me in a couple of years what it's like to play games with your kid because my oldest isn't quite there yet. Pretty soon, though.

Nice. All right, how are we doing? Let's. I can't see how many people we have in line. It looks like there's a... How many of you are? I've got four in line. All right.

You're all up and you're the last four. And then we're going to go. Yeah, let's cut it off there. We'll be around afterward, too, so we can ask your question. We'll hang it out. If you want to ask offline. Go ahead. Howdy.

My name's Julius. Obviously, there's a ton of nods to pass Zelda games in Tears of the Kingdom and also Breath of the Wild. But if you could bring something from an older Zelda game, like pre-breath of the wild into tears, what would it be? Like, I would bring the transformational masks from Majora's Mask. Sure. Like, imagine the garido.

So. What would it be? What would we bring in? The Akarina. Yeah, man. Bring in an ocarina. you can play. That's a good pick. Get a little music in there.

Yeah, that's a pretty solid. I've missed the hook shot. Oh, man, can you imagine? Yeah, that's one thing I've missed. Go Just Cause and... Well, because it seems like it would fit in perfectly. There's no reason you shouldn't be able to just propel yourself. Lazy developers just didn't do it.

It's terrible. Yeah, yeah. Maybe DLC. All right, that's a good one. The Hook Show. Yeah, I think the Breath of the Wild developers, I remember they told me once when I interviewed them a few years ago that it was cut.

They had it in breath of the wild and then they cut it. It is kind of the era of the grappling hook. I'm surprised. Yeah. Nice. Next question. Here. Hello.

Angel. Quick question. What's the weather? It's been beautiful. I'm careful in New York. Real question. Real question. You guys have been podcasting for a while now.

Any lessons that you've picked up in the last, what, six years? How long have we been making? How long were we making a split screen? something like that longer. I know one, if for people making a podcast is you have to be consistent. That's the thing I always tell people.

Number one thing is like you got to release whatever your schedule is. Yep, yep. I got a really, really important one. So find an already successful podcast with two guys who are more, like

they have more Twitter followers than you. And like more people know who they are. But like be a little funnier than those guys. I can't show you the lie. I can't find it. And then just like start hanging out with them and then... That's my big tip.

That's a very good tip for me. Yeah, every time. Do you have any tips, Jason? My tip is to have the best co-hosts in the world. That's also a real easy tip for everyone to follow, I think. Nice. Let's get a couple more questions. Hey, my name's Marage.

So my question kind of had to do with what you talked about earlier with COVID and affecting game development. We're going to see a lot of second and third degrees effects of that. One of them that I was thinking about is these next gen, not even next gen, the PS5 and Xbox Series X came out three years ago. Yeah. But it doesn't feel like it. No. But if you were to tell any other console that came into three years, we'd be talking about a pro model or whatever. Do you think this console's life cycle will be longer than what we imagine?

or will the technology catch up and I'm going to be very mad buying a new console six years in again? That's a great question. I don't know. I don't have any kind of like educate,

I don't have any informed knowledge on this one, but it's hard to imagine like a PS6 in like three years or four years. I feel like the fact that they sold out so quickly for so long also impacts the life cycle of them.

Like it almost wouldn't feel fair in three years to be announcing a console when it's like, we all just barely got these ones. Well, even now, I mean, there's still releasing games on PS4. Like, Street Fighters coming to PS4. Yeah, I mean, it's only like now that games are starting to be exclusives and it's kind of normalized. Jedi Survivor was like one of the first third party exclusive.

Yeah, it's weird. It is weird. It's just the way that the last three years didn't happen. Like, the way you can just look back and be like, wait, what the hell happened? Yeah. It's just the game industry version of that. Except that's like how long triple clicks been around. So that happened.

Chad definitely happened. Well, sometimes we look back and we're like, wait, what? We started this show. How long ago? We only just started this show, right? Is this our first episode? This is 156 tonight. Yes, it is.

156. That's wild. It's pretty good. Pretty good. Pretty good run. It's pretty good. Not bad. All right.

Final question. Final one. No pressure. Yeah. I'm the final one. And if my question sucks. that people can remember me. You got this.

So, hello, my name is Kirill, all the way here from Montreal. And before that, thanks for other countries. So my question is, recently I've been playing Horizon Burying Shores, and there you're exploring Los Angeles, where I've never been. But I like exploring this fictional version of Los Angeles. And Assassin's Quirt games make you explore different time periods and different places. So these are any place in the world that you would love to explore specifically in a video game?

Yeah, for sure. Like the Arctic Circle? That's too cold. But I'd love to go there and like watch some penguins surfing around. Yeah, that'd be cool. Man, I thought about the reverse version of this, which is that my knowledge of New York comes from Grand Theft Auto Forest. And when I'm visiting here, I'll be walking. And you're finally visiting it. Well, and I'm visiting here and I'm walking with Emily, and I'm like, right, New Jersey's on that side. I remember because that's where New Jersey is in Grandad of Toto, 4. I'm like, this train track, I totally remember these train tracks. You walk into them all the time in Grand Tadop Four.

Make sure I don't tell you where I parked my car. But I guess reverse it back around to the question. You do really learn these places by going and visiting them in video games. Like, I feel that way about a lot of places I've been in Assassin's Crean. If you play Spider-Man, you learn that the streets go from 50 to 57 to 62. Right, but I'm trying to think of places that I would want to visit. I like Chicago, but we got to go to Chicago and watch dogs. It's kind of an unfortunate game, but it was cool.

Boston and The Last of Us and the show are totally wrong. I'd like to see them do a better job. Yeah, and there hasn't been a Portland, Oregon, really, in a video game that I can think of. I wrote an article, I'll cop to this. Wasn't Days Gone in, like, Oregon? It was in Oregon. It was in, like, sort of Portland wasn't in it. It was more like rural, kind of near Bend where they made it.

I wrote an article for Kataku that was. like, they should definitely never build a grand theft auto game in Portland. Like, never make it. Was it reverse psychology? It was like, definitely don't do it. It was a terrible, terrible article. I'm so, like, embarrassed by it now.

I remember people. Everybody look it up. Get a lot of track going to that. We'll put a link in the show notes. I was getting dunked on on social media. People were like, whatever, Portland's a great town. You just moved here. Shut up.

And I was like, I look back on it now and I'm like, yeah, shut up. So I don't know why I just told that story, but I did. This is a perfect note to end this show. So what I'm saying is I would love to see a video game set in Portland. Yeah, that sounds great. Yeah, I think it would be great. Yeah, I feel like Kentucky Root Zero is also, I mean, it doesn't have a Portland section, but I always liked how region-specific and yet also weird and otherworldly it was.

So more games like that where it's not exact, but just has the feeling of certain places. A game where you operate and artism. cheese shop in Portland. Yeah. Right. Perfect. A game where you sell rare bucks in Portland, Oregon. I play that game.

A game where you're a jazz musician. Yeah, unpacking in your new home in Portland, Oregon. In Portland. That is almost the game. Unpacking. It is. We're going to play Power Washer Simulator. There's a lot of games that we're going to be playing in the next few weeks.

All right. Wow. Wow. That's it. We did it. We made a podcast. Hey, look at that. Yeah.

Thank you all so much for coming out. Thank you, guys. Thanks to Ian and thanks to Adrianos, who helped run the show. Yeah, come on. Come on. Couldn't have done it without them. Thanks to everybody at the bell house for making this happen. We're totally going to do it again.

And thank you all so much for coming. Yeah, thanks for coming, guys. We really, really appreciate you all being here. And we're all done. Triple Click is produced by Jason Schreier, Maddie Myers, and me, Kirk Hamilton. I edit and mix the show and also wrote our theme music. Our show art is by Tom DJ. Some of the games and products we talked about on this episode may have been sent to us for free for review consideration.

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