True Crime All The Time - Darrell Keith Rich

Episode Date: May 25, 2020

Darrell Keith Rich terrorized Shasta County, in Northern California, over a 2-3 month period in the summer of 1978. He began his predatory ways by sexually assaulting a number of women and girls. But, very quickly he began murdering, using the very same M.O. that he used previously.Join Mike and Gibby as they discuss the life and crimes of Darrell Keith Rich. This a guy who committed his spree of crimes in his early twenties. But, thankfully, he was caught very quickly, mainly because he chose to go around town telling people what he had been doing. This is also a case with some interesting legal twists and turns.You can help support the show at patreon.com/truecrimeallthetimeVisit the show's website at truecrimeallthetime.com for contact, merchandise and donation informationAn Emash Digital productionSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

and welcome to episode 184 of the True Crime All the Time podcast. I'm Mike Ferguson. And with me as always is my partner in true crime, Mike Gibson. Givie, how are you? Hey, I'm doing good, man. How about you? Man, I'm doing good man too. All right. So we got a lot of man's. We got a lot of goods. One of these days I'll switch it up, but I just can't. Is this what I do? It is what you do. And we got to keep on doing what we do. Yeah, yeah. Sometimes I'll get a little voice clips from different listeners. Yeah. And they do our intro just like spot on.

Sure. Yeah. They're due both our voices. They've heard it. They've heard it how many times. Yeah. And they can recreate it. Yeah.

I don't know. My wife is always watching Facebook clips or I don't know, Instagram clips or whatever it is. Right. And there was these two women. And I know one of them was famous. She was on like full house or something. Yeah. She's an actress.

Okay. She had her daughter with her and they were doing recreating scenes. from either like friends or a movie or a show. They were using the real voice audio. Doing a TikTok to it. And they were just lip syncing. But they were so dead on. Yeah.

It was scary. Yeah. And they were doing the gestures. It was really funny. I mean, I got a kick out of it. And I don't even, my wife will say, oh, you got to watch this. And usually it's something I really don't care to see unless it's puppies. You got puppies.

I'm in. You're into puppies. I love it. I love the dogs. I'll watch them. So we're both doing good. Yeah. You got your haircut.

I did. Which is a feat in and of itself. I went to go and it was a three hour wait. So I'm still going a little grizzly Adams over here. I had that guy back in the alley to it. So, you know. Yeah. I'm sure that was safe.

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Yeah, yeah. It's a good case for sure. You know, it's one of those ones that, again, we'll chase a few rabbit holes. But at the end of the day, I think that if you typically are not into unsolved because you hate the mystery behind it, you probably like this one. because I think majority of the people know who has probably done this. They think, yeah. I mean, I think this one caters to both types of people, right?

It has enough of the unsolved mystery to let people kind of hear the facts and decide for themselves. But you also have, I don't want to call it finality because there is no finality. Right. But you have the thing where you can talk about this main suspect that most people believe had something to do with this case. And you can look at it that way as kind of having some of the elements of a solved case. Exactly. So check it out. Yeah, definitely check it out. It's a good episode. All right, buddy, are you ready to get into this episode of true crime all the time? I am.

We are headed out to Shasta County, California. Shasta. Shasta. Okay. And that what you used to drink? Shasta. Yeah. To talk about the life and crimes of one. Darrell Keith Rich. He went on a rampage in the summer of 1978, committing crimes against nine young women and girls, and the press dubbed him the hilltop rapist. He murdered at least four. And his crimes were brutal, which will detail. But there are also some interesting legal wranglings involved here as well. So let's jump into some background. There's not a ton of details out there about his childhood in California. But Daryl was born on February 14th, 15, 95. Most of what is known, I found in some of his appeal docs, he was adopted. Yeah.

By his own account, he had a difficult childhood growing up. He said his mother was very domineering. And his parents were in a constant state of battle. I mean, they were always fighting. Man Gibbs, How many times have we said that about killers? Too many. Domineering mother. Now, what does that mean? Because it's something I always question. What do people really mean when they say, okay, I had a domineering mother?

Because it can be subjective. It can be very subjective. There are degrees, right? Some people might look at their mom who is on their case for not cleaning their room, not doing their chores, not getting their homework done and say, oh, my mom was so domineering. Well, not really. Your mom was trying to get you to do the stuff that you were supposed to do. Right.

Now, if you've got a mom who beats you with a whip because you forgot to put your shoes in the closet, all right. Now, we might be getting into the area of that or put you down at every turn, you know, I guess it really just depends on. what degree you're thinking of the word domineering. Yeah, because I think sometimes people might think that their mom is being domineering when the fact is they were just a bad kid and their mom was just trying to make them do things, right?

They were just not going to listen to whatever their mom said. Like, I did that for a while, right? My mom had to get on me and I probably could have said she was kind of rough on me for a little bit, but no, she just wanted what she expected to get done. But some of us can't be, you know, good boys like you growing up. Hey, not everybody can. I think you're right. I mean, to me, it just, it really goes back to, okay, what does somebody really mean

when they say domineering and to what degree are we talking about? And also, I think you have to look at, all right, these guys are killers. Yeah. They are saying this later on after they've been caught. Are they trying to explain maybe why they think. they are the way they are and they're exaggerating it. But right. A lot of times there's just really no way to know.

One of the big things pointed out in some of these appeal docs was that his mother made money by watching other people's children. This is something with which Darrell really struggled. So you had his birth mother who gave him up. Then you had his adoptive mother who was giving most of her attention. to these other children day in and day out, it was something that he really struggled to deal with. He didn't do very well in school. He was held back in the first grade, had very few friends. He did see a psychologist as a youngster who said, Daryl had the ability to become explosive

and possibly violent. But here's the big thing. And we see this all too often. No one ever got Daryl the help that he really needed. Yeah. No counseling, no therapy. It was pretty much like, hey, figure this out on your own. And guess what? He didn't. This whole hold him back in school thing has me a little bit worried now because, you know,

I sell it back. I know you were. And you have not been shy about, you know, you've been pretty open about it. Yeah. So it lingers out there. It has you worried from what standpoint that you might do what he did or something like that? because you know there have been a lot of people held back in one grade or another.

They didn't go on to become brutal killers. That's true. It just took them longer to finish school than their peers. Now I feel better. You should. His adoptive parents divorced when Darrell was 15 years old. And he initially moved to Southern California with his mom, but that didn't last long. He moved back up to Northern California to live with his father, a new stepmom.

mother. That's really two different places, you know. Oh, within California? Yeah, Southern Cow and Oregon. Huge difference. Yeah. Is it like SoCal and no cow? If you want to abbreviate. Yeah. As he got into high school, there were definitely some warning signs. He skipped school, continued to get poor grades. He was suspended a number of times, often for fighting. So there, again, I think that's where the psychologist was. saying. He has the propensity to, you know, really be explosive and possibly violent. But Darrell Rich didn't find himself in any real trouble until after the divorce of his parents. He was 17 when he was involved in two different shooting incidents. The first one occurred after a

fight with his girlfriend. It was reported that Rich shot himself in the chest. And what most people believed was an attempt to take his own life. So he had a fight with his girlfriend, maybe he was despondent, and he did something. But he lived, but not long after, he started taking shots at police officers in what, again, many people believe was an attempt to do the same thing. But this time, by having the cops fire back at him, right, thereby killing him, you know, they call that death by cop or suicide by cop. Right. They didn't fire back at him.

So he was sent for psychiatric evaluation where it was noted that, hey, this is a guy that needs treatment. The problem is Rich wouldn't go. You know, at the age of 18, while drunk, he rammed another car with his mom's car. Moms don't normally like that. No, it's not a good thing. When you're driving the minivan and you just go all GTA on somebody, they don't like that. That's when they're getting domineering.

They will. They will. He was sent to county jail where he did receive some counseling. But when they let him out, he had to go check in with a probation officer. The probation officer was very upfront with him. He said, hey, you need to go to treatment. But Rich wouldn't go. You know, I think he had it in his mind Gibbs that, hey, I went through.

some counseling. Right. And I got this under control. I don't need to keep doing it. A lot of people feel that way. And they do. Yeah. And I think that's what happened to him. So if you look at it as a kid, it was recognized that he needed some type of therapy. He didn't get it. Now he's an adult. And again, he's being told he needs therapy. But now he's choosing not to get it. He was arrested again at 19 after drunkenly attacking someone with a tire iron. And for that, he was sentenced to the California Youth Authority. And mental health professionals there who evaluated him said he exhibited bizarre behavior. But they didn't classify him as having psychological problem.

And I think all of this is big as we go, you know, along in this case because the mental health status of Daryl Keith Rich. It comes into play a lot, especially as we get into the trial and all that. While he was incarcerated, Rich discovered that his girlfriend was pregnant. So eventually he got out. They got married and they lived together raising their child. He got a job at a lumber mill. But this was not a marriage that was going to last very long. I think it lasted two or three years.

Darrell Rich began to drank heavily and he was physically abusive. to his wife. Many times. Many times. And at a certain point, they parted ways. Now, you would think normally gives in that situation, she would have left him. But in some of the things I read, that wasn't the case. He told her to get out.

Now, he maybe has said he knew something was going to happen. Right. And so he was telling her to get out before it escalated. Before it got worse than it already was. But who knows? Again, you know me, I don't trust half of what these guys say. Yeah. But it's possible. Sure. And it's tough to leave. You know, it's tough.

Emotionally, you're tied in. And these victims just have a hard time leaving. Well, you have a child. You've got to figure out how you're going to make it out there when you're not together. And I think that plays on them. Yeah. Yeah. But he did pay child support to help take care of his child. But all of this brings us up to the summer of 1978. and Darrell Rich makes the decision that he's going to start hunting. And when I say hunting, you know what I mean. Yeah.

He's stalking his prey and his prey are going to be females, women and girls. But the thing about Rich was that, I mean, all of this happened very quickly. His crimes occurred in quick succession over a period of about three months. This is not a long, drawn out case. he's also still very young. You know, he's 22 years old, I think, when he starts committing his crimes. He committed three assaults in June of 1978. He attacked a woman from behind who was walking from her Reading, California home to a nearby market. So he grabbed this woman, pulled her off the main road, and threw her down like a hill, like an embankment. He went down there. Now he shielded.

did right from the traffic and all that. Right. No one can see what's going on. Right. So he threatened to kill this woman, tried to force her to perform oral sex on him, but that didn't work. So he threw her on the ground, struck her in the head at least 10 times with some type of heavy object gives this woman was hurt so severely that she was at the bottom of the hill for 12 hours. Oh, wow. Yeah. Couldn't do anything. before someone saw her and called for help. And with all three of these attacks, I'm not saying the victim's names, I don't think

there's any reason to. He next attacked a woman who was walking to a bus stop after visiting the fair. So what he did was he parked at the fair. And I think he was scoping for his next victim. Right. A lot of people at the fair. Oh, plenty to choose from. You can sit in your car.

You can watch as people walk by. You can gauge. Okay, what's their situation? Are they alone? Right. Are they with a guy? You know, is this woman with a guy that's 6-6-290? Okay.

Let's let that pass. Right. You know, I don't want to be cavalier about it, but I think that's what he was doing. I'm sure he was sizing him up for sure. Yeah. He's looking for the best opportunity to do what he wants to do. Now, what would that normally entail? To me, I would think it would be whatever type of victim that he's looking for, but one that's alone or, let's say, maybe intoxicated or, you know, just walking off by themselves, not in a big group, not with a, you know, a boyfriend or a husband or something like that. He grabbed this woman from behind, forced her into his car and then he savagely raped her. forced her to perform moral sex on him.

When he was done, he let her go. But he threatened to kill her by telling her that he knew her name. He knew where she lived. And he would get her if she told anyone what happened. Scary. It's scary. The whole event is scary. But I think that part is very scary because it would hang over your head.

Because you never, you would never know, is he out there today? Is he watching? Is he looking through the windows? Is he, is he nearby? And you have to make a decision, right? As a victim, do I go to the police? Well, does it make that decision tougher if this person says, hey, I know everything about you. Yeah.

I know where you live. Sure. And if I get even so much as a whiff that you've gone to police, I'll kill you. Yeah. Man, that's a scary proposition. Toward the end of June, Rich drove up alongside a couple who were walking down the street. He stopped and he offered them a ride. They accepted.

But as soon as the 14-year-old girl started to get into the car, he grabbed her, he yanked her inside and then he sped off, basically leaving the boyfriend standing there on the street. What happened, man? Yeah. When he finally stopped the car, he sodomized this girl, he forced her to perform oral sex on him, but then he'd let her go. Daryl Rich committed two similar assaults in July as well that involved rape, sodomy, forced oral sex. All of these Gibbs, they were brutal attacks. Yeah, he didn't hold back.

No, because, you know, most of them involved not only the sexual assaults, but pretty, pretty, vicious beatings as well. That's how he was able to control most of them. Yeah, and we're going to see with his murders, which we're getting ready to talk about, he essentially carried over pretty much the same MO into the murders. The question is going to be, why did he decide to take the next step, right? What he was doing was bad enough. Oh, for sure, yeah.

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on her back with her leg spread. Her underwear was pulled down. below her knees and her tank top was pulled up above her breasts. When the autopsy was performed, it listed Annette's cause of death as skull fractures. Inflictinged by blunt force, she had multiple fractures of her face. Gibbs one of them went from her upper jaw up through and into the eye socket. Man,

that was a very brutal attack. It really was. Yeah. Rich next murdered in early August. 17-year-old Patricia Ann Moore was last seen hitchhiking in downtown Reading on August 3rd. Darrell Rich grabbed her, sexually assaulted her, and murdered her. Then he put her body in a local dump. When her body was later found and the autopsy was performed, it showed very severe

injuries to her face and head. Some of her teeth had either been broken or just knocked out completely. Beating that bad. Yeah, she had a wound that measured five inches in diameter that crushed the right front part of her skull. So obviously he took something heavy like a rock or some type of object. Yeah. And he bashed her skull in.

There was also evidence of strangulation. Rich next sexually assaulted and murdered 28-year-old Linda Slavic. This happened on August 8th. Linda was last seen at a bar by a friend around 1 a.m. And then at some point, she encountered Darrell Rich. But here's the thing about this encounter. Yeah. It comes out later that Rich actually took Linda to the same dump where he had left Patricia

Moore's body and actually made it. her view it. Oh, he made her look at that. Oh, this was before he killed her. Oh, okay. Almost as a prelude to what was about to happen. Imagine the fear. Number one, you've been taken against your will. Right. Then you're led to a dump, probably, you know, a scary place in its own right in the middle of the night. Right. But you're taken specifically to view a dead body. You already know you're in a bad situation. Why would somebody be showing you a dead body if they weren't planning on doing something very, very bad, if not the same exact thing to you? Yeah, I'm sure he's probably saying, look, you need to do what I'm asking you, you're going to be like her. And in her mind,

she's probably like, I'm probably going to be like her anyway. He ultimately shot Linda Slavic two times in the head and left her body at the dump. Daryl's last murder occurred on August 11th. So Gibbs, I mean, I really want everybody to look at the timeline here. You can see that all of these murders and sexual assault happened in a very short period of time. The murders especially happened in very rapid succession. Now, all of these sexual assaults and murders are horrible, right? All the ones that we've talked about. But this last one is probably the most heinous of all. Rich targeted an 11-year-old girl named Annette Seelix who had left her home in Cottonwood to go to the grocery store. Rich lived in Cottonwood and he knew this girl.

He had actually worked for her mom at one point in time. As she was walking back home from the grocery store, he grabbed her off the street, raped her in a secluded area. But Gibbs, then he took this little girl and threw her off a 105 foot high bridge. Wow. Just tossed her like a doll. Right. Off of a bridge. Her body was found the next day under this bridge.

She was wearing only her underwear. The autopsy revealed that she had been raped and she had suffered a number of broken bones and internal bleeding from the high fall. They also found bite marks on her thought. But the other thing that the autopsy revealed was that Annette had been alive when she was thrown from the bridge. And I don't believe that the coroner thought Gibbs that she died on impact. I was thinking she probably didn't. No. And probably suffered and laid there for quite a while.

Yeah. I believe she suffered greatly. And I think she died all alone. probably wondering, how could anyone be so cruel? Why would anyone do this to me? It's been reported that she curled up in the fetal position before she died. Now, if that doesn't get to you, nothing will. No. You need to go get yourself checked out because you might be a psychopath. Yeah, your heart should definitely feel that one. Well, I think 99.99% of our listening. audience will be heartbroken.

Yeah. Over that. Now there's a, you know, 0.01% or prisoner listeners. Yeah, I don't know who they are, but they're budding something or they just don't have that same type of empathy that the rest of us do. It doesn't mean that they're going to go on to be serial killers. It just means that maybe they have a greater propensity to do it. I don't know.

There's always that. And just remember with greater. propensity comes greater responsibility. So you use my word in a Spider-Man quote. I did. I like it. Yeah. However you can figure out how to use a word that I use.

Yeah. Always cracks me up. It's good. You have a propensity for it. I know that. I do. Police brought Daryl Rich in pretty quickly. But the way they did it, Gibbs, it was so strange.

It's almost comical. So apparently he told a friend that he, he found a dead body at the dump, which is strange, right? You've killed four women. Right. Two of them, you left their body at the dump. Now, for whatever reason, you're inserting yourself into this case by leading your friend to the dump and saying, look what I found.

So he took this friend out there and they ended up calling police. Police come out. You know, obviously they found the second body at the dump. And they questioned Darrell about these bodies. But, you know, pretty much at the same time, they also discovered that he had this connection to 11-year-old Annette Selix. So they asked him to take a polygraph and he did. Well, he failed.

But that's really all they had, right? You got a failed polygraph. You don't have anything else. They didn't have enough to hold him. But that's when Rich began acting very strangely. It was almost Gibbs as if he started to go to anyone and everyone he knew and he started telling them, hey, I failed a polygraph test. The police are about to arrest me for these murders. They think I did it.

Right. He started asking all these different people for alibi. So he's trying to rally somebody behind them saying, hey, I don't know if you want to help me or not, but this is what's going on. I didn't do it. I just need somebody to be my alibi. because man, I'm telling you, I didn't do this. It's crazy. Yeah, and I don't even know how well he knew some of these people. I mean, I'm sure some of these people were friends, but he may have been going to just acquaintances and saying, hey, this is what I need from you, brother. I need an alibi

for the night of such and such because the police think I killed this woman. Yeah. And I also need an alibi for this night, this night, because they think I killed these other three women as well. depends on how, well, depends on the type of person you are and how good you know that person if you're ever going to give an alibi like that, right? I mean, some people will give an alibi if they weren't even with the person. I know that happens. Oh, I know it's happened in the past. I mean, family, super, super close friends, maybe, but you're putting yourself at risk. Well, sure you are. Obviously, by lying to police. I get that. I get that it happens. but to just start kind of blitz-creaking all over the town asking everyone that you can find

to give you an alibi. Not just, you didn't just go to your BFF and say, hey, man, this is what's going on. Can you help me out? Right. It's almost like you're just throwing darts all over the place and hoping that something sticks. And I'm the opposite, right? I could. I probably was your alibi.

Mm-hmm. But when they come to me, I'm like, no, he wasn't with me at all. I know because you're trying to take over. Yeah. T-Cat all for yourself. T-Cat Nation. You want to sit in this chair and do the whole thing. I know how you are.

Well, I want to sit on the higher chair. You're right. The higher chair. It's actually the lower chair because I'm taller than you. Oh, no. Boom. And you on purpose, pump up your chair because you want to appear to be taller than me in the video. I have to, you know?

Like, looks like when we go places, I have to wear those. elevated shoes, man. Hey, you know. Do what you got to do, man. Those lifts. I have to wear lifts. Do whatever you have to do to feel your very best. I've always said that.

Yeah. So yeah, he started telling people that he had killed individuals. He even gave them details of the murders. But his stories were all over the place. He told some of his friends he killed for money. It was like a contract hitman. I think he had one story that had the hell's angels. paying him to murder one of these women.

Yeah. Now, dissect that. If you're the hell's angels and the hell's angels over time have been into some, you know, some really bad stuff. Sure. You've got a lot of members. You probably have some members that have killed people. Right.

Why in the world would you go hire a 22 year old guy who works at a lumber mill to kill someone for you? I'm pretty sure you can find somebody in your rank and file that will do that for you. Exactly. That's been vetted. It just doesn't make any sense. Yeah. They're not going to use the way it hasn't been vetted through their process.

Well, it's all about the vetting. You have to vet them out. You've vetted me out. Still vetting me out. I've vetted you. I've done all kinds of things. Yeah. More than once.

Basically, what this resulted in was some of his friends and acquaintances going, what the hell is going on with you? this guy. And they started calling the police and saying, this is what this guy is telling us. He's telling us he's killed people. He's asking for alibis. We don't want any part of it. But that really put the police on to him. Yeah. You definitely on the radar then. On August 23rd, Darrell Rich was arrested. So again, I think if you look at the timeline, right, committed his first murder on July 4th. Now, he had committed some sexual assaults the month prior. Yeah.

But from his first murder on July 4th to August 23rd, he's arrested. It all happened very quickly. And he did eventually crack and confess to the crimes to police. He gave a handwritten list of his crimes, including some of the assaults that police hadn't even connected to him yet. He also made a taped confession. He told police where they could find. certain evidence, including a gun. And he also agreed to take another polygraph, which he also

failed. So I didn't understand that. But he's all in at this point. He's basically given up. Darrell Rich was charged in Shasta County Superior Court with four counts of first degree murder, three counts of kidnapping, three counts of rape by force, three counts of rape by threats, and a whole host of other charges, including assault with a deadly weapon, forced oral copulation, and forced sodomy. That was like 22 counts total. That's a lot. That is a lot. You're facing a lot there.

He pleaded innocent. And he also pleaded innocent by reason of insanity to all of the charges. Then on September 8th, police got a warrant to get a bite sample from Daryl Rich. And what do you know, Gibbs? It just happened to match the bite mark found on the body of a net celix. Not surprised. I'm not surprised at all, but it's very important because if you look at this case as a whole, it's not like they had a mountain of evidence against this guy.

Right. What they had was some very bizarre behavior. They had his confessions, which normally is huge. Right. Now we're going to find out here. in a minute that some of his confessions get ruled inadmissible. So then, you know, your case becomes tougher. But the bite mark is pretty big.

Yeah. Because you have an 11-year-old girl found dead who was bitten. It places you with her near or around the time that she died. Yeah. I mean, who else logically would have bitten this girl, but the person who sexually assaulted and murdered her. The trial of Darryl Rich began in 1980, and it lasted almost four months. It was moved from Shasta County to Yolo County due to pretrial publicity.

I always get a chuckle out of that, Yolo County. Yolo. You only live once county. That's how it goes, man. My daughter's always walking around going Yolo. Yolo. For a long time, I had no idea what that means. What if the Rolo's in Yolo?

They might. You know? We don't know. And they're probably so. eating them solo yeah you if you'd have put all three of those together that would have been really cool it is hard to argue that one though gives i mean there couldn't have been too many people in shasta county that didn't know the details of what darrell rich was accused of doing sure there wouldn't have been many people if any in the darrell rich fan club now the question is were there that many

people in yolo county that hadn't been inundated with the details This is the late 70s, 1980, not the same type of news circulation that we have today, but you have to imagine the papers are filled with information on this guy and what he's suspected of doing. Right. It is about 160 miles south of Shasta County. So I think at the very least, you're giving the defendant the benefit of a better chance at finding an untainted impartial jury.

Sure. I mean, you're over two hours away. You're thinking, well, how much farther can we go? You know, we can't go to a different state. It's also the thing that you're going to do to try to eliminate any appeals that would come down the road. Or something getting overturned. Yeah. I think it's absolutely correct.

Would they have rather held it in Shasta? I'm sure. Sure. There was talk about holding it in another county. I think it was late county. if I'm remembering it correctly, but they finally settled on Yolo. And I think you're absolutely right. You want to do everything you can do to make it look like you're doing everything you can do

to give this defendant a fair trial. You don't want the defense team to have any ammunition to bring up on appeal. Right. Now, there was one important ruling that happened prior to trial. I kind of mentioned it in a mendigo. it was that the 45-minute tape-recorded confession given by Darrell Rich to police was not admissible in court. So there were some problems with it.

The judge said that on the tape, it was very clear that Darrell had asked for an attorney for a different time prior to giving his confession, but the sheriff's deputies, they just pressed on. If the suspect asked for his attorney and the police had been, ignore that request and keep going. Whatever comes after that, they shouldn't be allowed to use. Yeah, it's going to bite them in the rear end. Then it did in this case.

And it was a big blow because you had a guy on tape confessing to the murders, but also giving details, details that police felt, okay, only the murderer would have known some of this stuff. But it was just a tape confession that was thrown out. Richard made a number of statements to police. and he had given them voluntarily. So all of those would be allowed at trial. The prosecution had 100 witnesses testify, give or take.

That's so quite a bit. Yeah. They had that a lot. Four of the five assault victims testified and pointed out Darrell Rich as their attacker. Now, that's very crucial. Now, it doesn't prove that he killed anyone, but I think couple with the fact, and I mentioned earlier, that he used the same M.O. He didn't deviate at all when he went from the sexual assaults where he led his victims go to the murders that also included sexual assaults. I think it was

very easy for police and even a juror to see, wow, this happened exactly the same way. Most of the witnesses that the prosecution called were people who testified. about incriminating statements that Rich had made to them about the sexual assaults, the murders. And I've talked about some of this. Some of the details he relayed to these people were details that fit exactly with how the crimes were carried out. Some of these were things that police thought, okay, nobody but the killer would

have known this stuff. Right. Some friends testified that he just outright admitted that he killed his four victims. One witness testified that Rich told him, once you've killed, it's easy to kill again. It's hard to come back from that one. It is. Yeah. And again, I think that would stick in the mind of a juror. What I will say is, it's a lot of hearsay evidence, right? It's a lot of people saying, right, I heard somebody say this. but when you take it in total, you know, so many different witnesses saying that this guy said this or that to them, to me, you either have to have a conspiracy where all these people got together and said,

we're going to lie on Darrell Rich or Darryor Rich went around to all these people and just for whatever reason, told them a bunch of stuff that incriminated himself. Sometimes these guys are stupid. Yeah. And it's hard to understand, right? Why would you take somebody to the dump site? When you were the one that dumped the two bodies there, why even act like you found it? Why involve the police?

Why open yourself up to that? Somebody's going to find the bodies eventually. But why would you want to be in the middle of it when it happened? Yeah, because you just, now you're on the radar. Yeah. Like I said, you inserted yourself. into this investigation when you didn't need to. It's kind of like those killers that are way too eager to help the police, right?

They're asking questions or offering their services. Well, it turns out that they're the killer and they just want to know what the police know. They want to revel in the fact that they're this close to the police. They're talking to them. And the police are so dumb in their mind. This is what they're thinking. Right. they don't know that I'm the killer.

Well, eventually they'll figure it out. Yeah. And you've done yourself a major disservice. Now, his defense attorneys said that all of these different statements were made by Rich because deep down, he wanted to get caught. And here's the thing, Gibbs. They weren't trying to say that he didn't commit these murders. The defense team never said that.

What they maintained was that he was insane at the time he, he committed the attacks and murders. They brought a number of relatives and friends to the stand to talk about Rich's character. They had six different expert witnesses who tried to paint a picture for the jury of a man who suffered from personality disorders that left him with a diminished mental capacity and an inability to control his violent actions. They also said Rich had a history of. head trauma, which resulted in brain damage and extreme mental disturbance. I looked. I couldn't find

what these accidents that would have resulted in in this type of head trauma. He did have a car accident, I think a few years earlier that required some stitches to his face or something like that, but there really was no talk about like big time head injury or anything like that. But it is interesting. Because it ties into all that. that, you know, the talk about how killers can have, you know, the head injuries and, you know, the, well, if you're an expert. Yeah. Or let's say, let me say this, if you're the defense team and you need to get a bunch of experts, you know what you're going after. Right. Again, you're not trying to get your client off per se. What you're trying to do is say he's not responsible. He was not

mentally capable of understanding his actions. So that either gets off based on the insanity or they're just getting out of the death penalty. Yeah. One of the other. But I think they realized very early on, there's no way we're going to be able to sit here and argue that this guy didn't commit all of these crimes. We're going to have to take a different tag, which is what they did. I think they were probably smart to do that because I don't know.

they had any other good case to try to go the not guilty. He didn't do it. He already laid out so many times that he did this. Well, so they were successful in excluding the tape confession. Right. But they had written confessions. They had, you know, he had written names. He had the, we had the bite marks. Sure. The gun. Yeah, I think there was too much evidence against them. So I agree with you. They were smart to try to take, you know, a different route. Instead of playing against it, they decided to play into it. And steer it in the best possible direction. They were not going to get this guy an acquittal.

Let's say that. Maybe, you know, innocent by reason of insanity. But more likely, let's try to save him from the death pill. Yeah. Now, I mentioned the 45 minute interview, the tape confession, not allowed in. What was allowed in that I haven't talked about was a series of videotapes where they essentially put Daryl Rich under, it was like hypnosis, but it said it was drug induced. So they put him in this state and then he recounted on videotape pretty much everything he did. This was allowed in.

You know, he recounted his crimes. this was not good for the defense. All they could really do is try to undermine the videotape saying you can't trust them. This was drug induced. We don't know if it's real or not. He was in a trance, you know, things like that. So getting back to his defense team, not really trying to get him off, getting him a lighter sentence or something else.

They did argue that, okay, there was evidence that Darrell. sexually assaulted his victims. So how could he be convicted of killing them to cover up the sexual assault? And I didn't understand this at first. But apparently this was a very important point because it was one of the components of the first degree murder distinction. Like I said, they were trying to get Daryl out of the death penalty. And they were laying the groundwork by stating that his mental illness led to the

crimes he committed. The defense team told the jury that Darrell Rich suffered from intermittent explosive disorder, a mental illness that results in a person having sudden fits of rage. I have sudden fits of rage. Yes, you do. None that ever result in me hurting someone. Maybe breaking a car window now and then. That's about it. Yeah. Making someone cry. Yeah. I know you've left the studio in tears on more than one occasion. And I felt really bad about that. I mean, I just did it a few minutes ago. I'm okay now. In closing arguments, the prosecutor called Darrell Rich a marauder, a predator, a hunter of young

women. He said, this man went out, hunted these girls down, and took them to remote places. Rich's only motive in this whole case has been rape for sexual satisfaction. The prosecution countered the defense's mental illness claims by telling us. the jury that Rich used the same exact methods in his murders as he did in his sexual assaults. So they argued that this established a pattern that couldn't be explained by a mental illness, right? Essentially saying it wasn't like he just snapped and all of a sudden started killing people,

more of he, like I say, he graduated to killing people. He was doing the exact same thing that he had done. during his sexual assaults, he just went the extra step and now started murdering. Yes. Yeah, I agree. So they were making that argument to try to combat the mental illness argument. The defense in their closing arguments called the crime's senseless, horrible tragedies. But they said they were a result of Rich's compulsion for love, for contact with women, for acceptance, which for him was all related to sex.

Yeah. Again, his defense team told the jury, I'm not saying my client didn't do these things. I'm just saying he wasn't in his right mind. And you can't convict him of first degree murder, which would result in the death penalty. Right. So this is the whole key to everything.

Yeah. They're trying to get out of the first degree murder and down to, let's say, second degree, be a much lesser sentence and certainly wouldn't result in the death penalty. That's what they're there for. Yeah, to analyze the whole thing, the whole case and figure out what do we need to do. What's the best course of action? Yeah.

And I think in this case, it was not to try to get their client off. Yeah. But to try to minimize the sentence. And at the very least, try to help him escape the death penalty. Yeah. The jury of seven men and five women listened to more than 150 witnesses gives during this trial. That's a lot. It's quite a bit.

It's a lot of information to soak in. They deliberated for nine hours over three days before finding rich guilty of three first degree murders, a second degree murder and 15 other counts related to the. sexual assaults. So the second-degree murder related to the murder of 17-year-old Patricia Moore, the jury came to the conclusion that Rich hadn't planned out this murder. And instead, he acted impulsively and bashed Patricia in the head with a rock. So that's why they gave him second degree for that. It took them about 90 minutes to decide that Darrell Rich was indeed saying. And Rich showed no emotion during the 15 minutes that it took the judge to read out his guilty verdicts. Well, it's because he did so many bad things, man.

Yeah. I mean, when you rack up that many charges and you're guilty of that many charges, it's going to take a while to read it all out. On December 19th, the jury deliberated for seven hours on Rich's punishment before ultimately deciding that he should die in the gas chamber. And again, he didn't show any emotion. No. When the jury's decision was read, he didn't show any emotion the next month when the judge sentenced him to die in the gas chamber for the murders of Linda Slavic and Annette Seelix.

Rich got a life sentence without parole for the murder of Annette Edwards and strangely a two-year sentence for the second-degree murder of Pamela Moore. It is strange. Strangely low, right? Yeah, exactly. I get it. Big difference between second degree and first degree. Often that's where you get into premeditated.

The jury didn't see it that way. But you still murdered somebody. You would think that warrants more than two years. Yeah. I mean, most people get more than two years for boosting a car, having a, you know, a certain amount of weed on them. Right. It just seems very low.

Now, in the grand scheme of things, it's not going to matter, right? he's got a death sentence, he's got a life sentence with no parole. It's just, I mean, I think as the victim's family, you would look at that and say, well, that's not right. Right. You're saying that this guy murdered our daughter. Yeah. And it was proven in a court of law, but yet he's only going to get two years.

Yeah, it just wouldn't, I don't think it would sit good. I don't wouldn't sit good with me. No, me neither. The judge tacked on another 12 and a half years for all of the, the other charges. And the judge said, quote, the manner in which these victims were killed, showed a complete lack of regard for human life and involved brutal and barbaric methods of killing. All of this against three innocent women who had the misfortune to encounter Darrell Ridge and an 11-year-old female child on her way home from a grocery store. I read Gibbs

that Darrell got married in his jail cell. I believe in between the time he was convicted and the time he was sentenced. You got married. Yeah. Or right before he was convicted. It was like either during the trial or in between the conviction and the sentencing. So apparently this woman had reached out to him sometime before they began corresponding. They fell in love.

I don't know if she was sitting in his trial and just saw him every day. I don't know. But they allowed them to get married in his jail cell. And this woman was sitting in the courtroom crying as he was sentenced to die. Well, she knew a different, Daryl, didn't she? In her mind. Maybe. I don't know how well could she have known this guy.

How do you not sit there and listen to what he did to these victims and their families around you? Yeah. Why would you want to associate yourself with this person that is clearly guilty? Right. Was proven guilty in a court of law. And you're never going to see on the outside because he's going to die in prison. Exactly. So why do that?

I don't get it. But you and I never understand it, really. No, we don't. We don't get that whole drive towards somebody like that. No, I get it if you believe that somebody is innocent, right? Look at the case of the West Memphis three. There was the one lady that was crusading for them. she fell in love with one of the guys,

they ended up getting married. Well, he later got out and I'm assuming they'll live happily ever after, but these women that marry men that, you know, have killed a number of women. And they're never getting out. No.

What are you doing with your life? What's the, what's the drive there? What are you trying to? Don't know. Can't figure it out. So he went to San Quentin. And after a number of years on death row,

Daryl found out that he, was one quarter Native American, Cherokee, to be exact, on his biological father's side. So he started going by the name Young Elk. And he's going through all the appeals that you go through when you get a death sentence the whole time sitting on death row and San Quentin. But all of these were denied. Right. His last appeal for clemency centered around the claim that he was mentally incompetent to be executed. Now, his defense also. said his original indictment was unfair because there were no Native Americans on the grand jury. Oh, wow.

So this is kind of like a last ditch, you know, effort. One of the original prosecutors, they interviewed him and he said, how can this even be raised as an issue? We went through the whole trial and never once did it come up that Daryl Rich was Native American. Right. Well, hell, Rich didn't even know. himself until he was on death row. So how can you bring it up that, hey, there should have been some representation on the grand jury when nobody knew and he didn't tell anybody because he didn't know.

He couldn't self-identify himself. No. Now, as you can imagine, victims and victims families, they were very outspoken against any clemency for Daryl Rich. Gibbs, they've been living with all of this for over 20 years. It's a long time. Yeah, he was on death row for quite a while. I know at one point, he was one of the longest standing death row inmates in California.

The stepfather of Annette Seelix told the parole board, that girl was 11 years old. She didn't even know what sex was. I never thought I'd want to see a person die, but he put so much hate in me. Governor Gray Davis denied clemency for rich. and his execution was slated for March 15th, 2000. And then about a week before his execution, Rich's defense team argued that because of his Native American heritage, he should be allowed to die in a sweat lodge. Really?

Yeah. And I read a bunch of articles on this of how important this is to many Native Americans. Right. And Darrell, before a judge. judge made the statement, I will not be spiritually purified to enter the spirit world. And my spirit will not successfully pass over to the spirit world. Basically saying, if you don't let me do this, I can't pass over. Now, officials, they were viewing this as a big no-no, right? Right. They didn't want him to be allowed to do the sweat lodge. They cited security concerns. So eventually a judge did

No, can't do that. But they did allow him a few concessions. They allowed him to have a piece pipe. Oh, smoke a piece pipe. Yeah. Yeah. He was allowed to sit in a conference room with some of his spiritual advisors and pass around the peace pipe.

Okay. They also said that he could have an eagle feather with him on the gurney during his lethal injection. Okay. Now, he was sentenced to the gas chamber, but California switched over to the lethal. To lethal injection. Darrell Rich's last meal consisted of beef broth, papaya juice, and gatorade. The heck of a mix, man.

That's a strange last meal. Number one, it's all liquid. Yeah. And maybe he didn't want to mess himself. Well, you're going to be dead, so you don't have to worry about cleaning it up. No, but it does seem like a strange last meal request to be sure. But I don't even think someone should get that. No.

You don't get to be like Mike. when you've committed the crimes that Daryl Rich committed, I think what they should do is make you eat something like what they did on that Fear Factor show. Yeah. Remember that with Joe Rogan? Yeah. Put all that nasty stuff and blend it up and-

Cockroaches or whatever it is. This is, if you're hungry, here it is. Eat this. Now, I know that would be struck down as cruel and unusual punishment, but in a case like this. And really, to be honest with you, in a lot of cases we do, it's hard for me to muster up even an ounce of sympathy for a person like this. I just can't do it.

I keep thinking back to 11-year-old Annette. Right. That crime alone, there's no sympathy from me. No, no, it's awful to do what he did. So it was just after midnight on the 15, Rich was strapped down on the gurney for his. lethal injection. He had this foot-long eagle feather lying on his chest that they allowed him to have. They administered the drugs at 12.06 a.m. His breathing became labored. His face turned a little bit purple. And at 1213, they pronounced him dead. The San Francisco Chronicle reported that some of his

surviving victims and the relatives of his victims held hands as they witnessed the execution prison officials said his last word was peace. That was it. He just said peace. Peace. Maybe he wanted to say peace out, but before he could, he went out. That's why I wasn't sure if he was saying, I'm hoping for peace or as in, I'm out of here, peace. Daryl Rich was the eighth person to be executed in the state of California after they resumed executions.

Because, you know, they didn't resume when everybody else did. they were a little bit behind the curve. 15 years later. If I remember correctly, it was like 1977 when the death pony was reinstated, right? It was struck down as being unconstitutional and then that got reversed. I don't think California came back online until 1992. But even then, he was only the eighth person to be executed. So it was like they were like one one a year maybe.

Not very many. And now we know they haven't executed. anybody in quite a while. It was reported by some outlets that there were 500 to a thousand protesters at the prison during his execution. Now, many of those were anti-death protesters. You're always going to have that. Yeah. But there was also a large number of Native Americans that came out to protest as well. I'm surprised. Well, I don't know that they were protesting based on what he did. Yeah. My assumption is, and I didn't actually read. this, but my assumption is they were probably protesting the fact that he couldn't go out the way that

he wanted, that they thought he should have been able to. Right. In accordance with their customs, their traditions. Yeah. But I also think they had to know he was using their customs and traditions to benefit him. Yeah. I mean, I think you could make that argument. Yeah.

That he was using that as a way to try to circumvent things. or get things to happen his way. So as we wrap up this case, Gibbs, I mean, I think one of the things that really stands out to me is that Rich committed all of his attacks and murders within a pretty confined space. I mean, if you look at this geographically,

we're not talking about a killer who was roaming the states. In many cases, he was choosing victims who lived very close to him. Yes. You know, all of it happened within a very short amount of time. Yeah, so maybe the guy didn't have such a great childhood. We've talked about it.

A lot of people don't. I think there were definitely some issues of mental health and play here. I just don't know to what degree. But what I can't figure out is what made this guy all of a sudden in the summer of 1978 decide to start sexually assaulting and murdering women? Yeah. What was that thing that finally pushed his button to do that? Yeah.

What was the catalyst? That's, that's what I am trying to figure out. Now, this is if you believe his statement that he confessed to everything he did. Because he was very adamant about that. You know, when he wrote out his assaults and murders,

he said, here's everything I've done. I'm not leaving anything out. Now, maybe that's true. Maybe that's not. But when you look at the trigger, what was it?

Was it the divorce? Was it, I just couldn't figure it out. He was a young guy still. Right. Twenty-two years old or so. It had to be something. I just don't know what it was. Or had he been having these fantasies for years and just finally made the decision that he was going to act on them?

I guess if we could ever figure out what these little triggers are, maybe we could figure out all the issues that these guys have. I mean, what's that thing that finally just sends them over the top? Yeah, and obviously it's not going to be the same for every person. But I do think that's what a lot of people are fascinated by when it comes to true crime. I mean, I know it's part of my fascination. These people are doing things that I can never imagine doing. It's like I want to crawl inside their head and see how it works. Now, that might be a scary thing.

But it's almost as if I want to know what they're thinking without how. having to think it. Does that make sense? Obviously, I don't want to have their thoughts. I just want to know why they have them. Yeah, exactly. You want to get into their head just so you have that understanding, kind of like your mine hunter. Yeah. And why they act on them, right? Because I think there are people that have the thoughts, but never act on them. So why is it that, okay, they're having the thoughts and then also making the decision to act on? Is it a compulsion? Is it an urge so strong that they can't fight it back? Do they not give a shit? I mean, I just, I just don't know. And again, you can't paint everybody with the same brush. A lot of people

are going to be different. But we know his wife leaves him. She's tired of him drinking, tired of the abuse. You know, maybe between that and how his mom treated him, how he thought his mom treated him growing up, he just said, you know what, I'm tired of women. This is it. So in 78, he says, you know what? I'm going to go hunt and I'm going to start. doing these really bad things to women. Okay. Then why the summer of 78? Right? What, so why he waited so long? Yeah. Yeah. His wife left him, I don't know, a couple years before that, I think, if I remember correctly, again, trying to make sense of what these people do. It's very difficult. This is a guy from what I could tell Gibbs never really left Shasta County,

except for the brief time he lived with his adoptive mother in SoCal. Yeah. You just want to know exactly what the thought process was and how he came to the decision to start committing his crimes. I think that's what we all want to know. And again, I think in most of these cases, unless these people tell us, there's no way to ever know. I think you're right.

But that's it. That's it for the case of Darrell Keith. rich, kind of a strange study. You know, this wasn't a guy that, at least from my point of view, had a lot of the things growing up that would point to him being this really mean, sadistic, rapist, and killer. Right. Okay. Yeah, your mom was domineering.

All right. Well. Welcome to probably with a good chunk of the population. Yeah. I was getting ready to say. So were a lot of other people's moms, I'm sure. Some moms are like that. Their kids don't all grow up to be killers.

No. Okay. Did he have head trauma? I don't know. Yeah. Did he have mental illness? I don't know. Because like in a lot of cases, you had one side saying this, you had another side saying

this. Now, you did have over the years a number of psychologists say, hey, there's something here. This guy's got a bad temper. he's explosive. He could be violent. There's something to that. Now, is it anger management issues or is it a quote unquote, diagnosable mental illness?

I don't know that part. What I do know is he was a bad guy that committed some very, very bad crimes. We got some voicemails. You want to check those out? Let's hear. Hey, Mike and Gibby. This is Kaylee from Grants Pass, Oregon.

I've been a T-Cat listener for a lot of. little over a year and I've got to say you guys blow every other true crime podcast completely out of the water. You also really helped to reinforce my efforts to educate my children on safety and awareness. So thank you so much for that. Anyway, I finished the Ward Weaver episode a couple days ago and Mike I chuckled a bit when you mentioned how cold it probably is in Oregon in the winter because honestly, most of Oregon doesn't drop below the low 30s during the winter. So it's really not too cold. Could be worse. Thanks for all you do and thank you for reminding me every week to stay safe can keep my own time taking fight.

So that shows you how much I know about the climates in our own states here. I just assumed Oregon got pretty darn cold. Now, low 30s is cold, but it's not Ohio cold. No. It gets much colder here. Yeah. I just kind of, and I made an assumption, but I just assumed that Oregon got. It looks like it'd be cold.

colder than that. Just looking at it, I get the chills. The way it's shaped. Yeah. It seems like it should be much colder. Yeah, it should be much colder up there. But thank you so much for the voicemail. Hi, Mike and Gibby.

This is Valerie here, Val, in Ireland in the south of Ireland. So I've been meaning to ring you for years, literally. And finally, during lockdown, I guess I have some spare time in my hands and finally getting to do it. Your podcast is just brilliant. You're actually the best. I'm a dog groomer and listen through my headphones all day long, because my customers don't need a whole heap of chat. and I get through like eight, ten hours a day of podcasts

so you can imagine how many I get through but it's always T-CAT, first off, always, and criminology after that. But I just think I did a great job and I really appreciate all you do. I know you work for a long time for probably hardly any income at all from it and I know how much commitment it takes

so just say how much you appreciate you. I'm a long-time listener since the very beginning I think you were about 10 episodes in when I first found you so I stuck with you all the time just absolutely love the show So keep your own time kicking, boys. Many thanks again. Bye.

Hi, that's all right. I like that. You know what's funny to me is sometimes you struggle to find the right word in your normal accent. But when you do the accents and you struggle to find the next word, it cracks me up for some reason. I don't know. You're concentrating so hard on trying to do the accent that you can't figure out what it is you want to say. there we go but no that's great we appreciate appreciate what she said no we do i will say this you know she said okay we did the show for a long time for very little we actually paid

we went negative we did for a long time we paid to put out the the podcast yeah um but it all worked out yeah hi my name is gabe i'm calling from nowhere um i'm a real big fan of your podcast uh and i wanted to tell you about the only serial killer we have in Norway, and his name is Arnfinnestep. And he actually is out of prison because we only have 21 years maximum sentence in Norway. So I think it's a case that might be cool for your podcast. He actually confessed his 27 murders, and he was a nurse at the retirement home, and he injected his patients with, I guess, poison, and actually killed at least 27 people. So if you want to talk about some Scandinavian,

true friends, that's my tips too. Thank you for your podcast. Are you enjoying it? Are you telling me that Norway has only had one serial killer in the history of the country? Seems very low. Wow. Those people over Norway are super nice. Yeah.

That or they just haven't caught any yet, you know? There's somebody out there like, and this is so easy over here. Nobody's looking. No one. Yeah. I don't know if that's true or not. I'm assuming it is because Gabe said it, but I do think it, It kind of shows you the different, the differences in culture.

Yeah. You know, the differences in crime rates and, I don't know, people over there just seem super nice. Right now, some serial killers going, you know what? I'm moving. I'm moving. I think I can make a name for me. Don't wish that on Norway. Don't you do it.

Don't do it. Hey, Mike and Gibby. This is Robin from Pumperkines, Florida. And I just want to say that I love your show. I've been obsessed with true crime as long as I can remember. My friends used to think I was weird because all I ever wanted to read was true crime books growing up, not any of these other Twilight or any of that stuff, but just always had an obsession with true crime. I wanted to make a suggestion for a show, the murder of Bobby Kent.

It actually occurred very close to where I live and grew up. He was murdered by a group of friends and just all the things that went into it, and did he or didn't he deserve it. They actually made a movie about it. Early to mid-2000s called Bulley. It's a pretty interesting story since you guys get a chance to do that. I think it would be really cool. All right.

Well, face, safe and keep your own time taken. Bye, guys. All right. Appreciate that. It's actually a story I'm not familiar with,

and I don't think I've ever seen that movie. I haven't either. So, we have to look it up and put it on the list for sure. Yeah. All right. Gives had no mail bag. What?

This week? No mail. Well, You know, with everything that's going on, I understand that. I know we, we do have some packages coming from overseas because a couple of people have emailed me. It's on the boat. I don't know.

You know how long it takes to send a package from, I know when I mail out like Patreon stuff. Right. It says like seven to 21 business days. Well, I believe it. Yeah. It takes a long time to get to some of these places. Especially if I pay for it, I take the. Well, if you paid for it, it'd never get there.

First of all. I use that one service that you're like, hey, it's free. They just don't actually deliver. We can't guarantee it. We just don't guarantee it. And they always want to know what's inside because maybe I think, I think they kind of keep it for themselves. Nothing ever gets to where it's going.

Yeah. All right, buddy. That is it for our episode on Darrell Keith Rich. And that's it for another episode of true crime all the time. So for Mike and Gibby, stay safe and keep your own time ticking. Thank you.