True Crime All The Time - Holiday Ramblings

Episode Date: December 25, 2017

No big true crime story for this holiday episode. Gibby and I wanted to do something light for people to listen to as they are getting ready for the holiday or recovering from it.We definitely want to wish everyone a happy holiday and thank you for listening and for the support that you've given us over the year. Have fun celebrating with your friends and family over the holiday season and be safe and keep your own time ticking!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

everyone and welcome to episode 58 of the true crime all the time podcast. I'm Mike Ferguson and with me as always is my partner in true crime, Mike Santa Gibson. Give me what's going on? Ho, ho, ho, ho. So you got the ho, ho, ho down. Yeah, I wanted to do it slow, you know, make sure that I could print that you could get it out. Yeah. You got the bowl full of jelly down. Full full of july. And you're just an all-around happy, good guy. So you can play Santa anywhere, man. Yeah, I just got a six-pack, but that's all right.

All right. Santa could have a six-pack. You can pat it with like a pillow. Yeah, I put a little pillow underneath there. It looked just like Santa. Yeah, just a really good shape, Santa. Magic Mike Santa? Magic Mike Santa.

That's right. All right, Gibbs. Let's start out with some new Patreon supporters. We had Stacey. Just Stacey. Just Stacey. But Stacy's enough. That's all it takes.

That's all it takes. Stu Watson, Dava girl. Daba. With a V. Dava. Dava. Yeah.

Tracy Kidd jumped out of our highest level. Sweet. Danielle Rinteria. Renteria. Michelle Anderson. Michelle. Cornell Felton jumped out of our highest level. Future lawyer.

Future lawyer, if not already a lawyer. Alexander Ede. You sure? Or I'm going with that. It might be I. And I hate to get it wrong. Alexander jumped out at our highest level. He just found the show not that long ago and has been interacting a lot.

He really likes it. So awesome that he would jump out and support us like that. That's cool. Alyssa Dresher. Fran? I'm sure she. I'm sure. Nobody's ever said that before.

This first time she heard that one. If she's related to Fran, I'm sure. Victoria Mortimer. Karen Braun, who I forget what country Karen's from. But she has two other names in between, and I couldn't say either one of them. Oh, it's like a hyphenated, double hyphenated? I don't even know if it was hyphenated. It was, these were like Nordic, I think.

And the word brawn means, you know, strength, right? Yeah, it's not spelled the same, but yeah, I get what you're saying. Yeah. But I didn't even want to try to. She probably hurt you. I was going to butcher him, and I just didn't want to do that. Luckily. She probably related to the Vikings.

I know. And I didn't want to take. that chance. I don't, I don't need that. Don't, don't you put that on me, Ricky Bobby. Yeah. I don't need that. We had Rachel Poole, Nathan Hefner, Shannon Leary, Sarah Joy. Happy, happy, happy to the world, Tracy Keats. Keats? Nice. Maja Backman. And then we had something amazing happen Gibbs that I want to talk about. I received an email from a Canadian listener and she wanted to. wanted to support the show. So she came out supporting at our highest level, but she wanted to remain anonymous and she wanted her and she wanted me to send some goodies to Deanna Smiley in California.

And this all came from a few episodes ago. Deanna left a voicemail. She's a huge fan of the show. She's on social media all the time. And I think she listens with her husband and Drew, I believe is his name. But Deanna left the voicemail saying, you know, she, she wanted to be a Patreon supporter, but they didn't really like to put their credit card information out on the net. I get that. And this woman from Canada just was so kind of caught up with that voicemail that this is what she wanted to happen. It truly is a Christmas miracle, Timmy. It is. It is. Yeah. It just, it's so amazing because we're getting ready to put out this holiday episode. Right. I get this email during the week.

It's kind of like kismet. Kismet? I don't really know. They're like fate, right? Fate, kismet. I thought you say kiss some mittens. I wasn't sure what you were saying there. I would never say that to you.

I hope not because, you know. Especially to you. But I just thought it was a- I accept any challenge. It was a really cool thing, especially, you know, at this holiday season. It is. It's kind of like Charles Dickens wrote it.

Maybe he did. He could have. And that's coming to life. Yeah. And if we go back into the Patreon vault, So this week we picked Maggie, not the Maggie that helps out on the show. Different, different Maggie, long time supporter, month after month, been with us forever. And just wanted to give a huge shout out to her.

Appreciate it, just Maggie. And then something else happened this week. We received a very large donation on PayPal and the person wanted to remain completely anonymous, basically, you know, like a secret Santa. And what this person wrote was that they really felt bad about the Patreon snafu. They felt bad that we lost a good amount of support. And they were trying to make up for it. That's just really, really cool when something like that happens and people, they don't have to do any of this.

No. They're doing it out of the goodness of their heart. They're doing it out of the fact that they like what we do. And all of that just, we say it all time. Blows us away. Love it. Appreciate it. We're blown away.

But I want to give a. Huge thanks to everybody that has supported us over 2017. It's been an amazing year. It really has. I mean, the podcast has grown exponentially since we started. I'm going to give an enormous thank you. To who?

Everybody. Oh. You said huge. I'm going to go to enormous. I should have said huge. Huge is huge. But we couldn't do it without all of the support we get. And I'm not just talking about financially, right?

We, you know, Patreon, PayPal, all of that is great. But social media as well, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, the closed Facebook group. Yep. All of that stuff has grown. All of it. People are telling their friends. You know, I get emails. I get so many instant messages.

The call line really took off. Yeah, we got a lot more voicemails. So the other call line. We're party line. The 900 party line that you set up on your own. One 900 call Gibby. You don't. the party line on. You don't cut me in for any of that? I don't want you to know about it.

Don't worry. I don't know if it's anybody really connected to the podcast. There's some really strange questions that I get. That actually probably would make quite a bit of money. You should look into setting that up. Yeah. Then I do want to give a great big shout out to Maggie. You know, Maggie has helped us tremendously over the year. It's just been a huge help. Yeah, Maggie has really helped a lot with the TCAT episodes. Yeah, it really just can't be overstated how much value that Maggie has brought. So big, big things. So we wanted to do something a little different, right?

We're not doing a true crime episode. We're not? We're doing some holiday ramblings. What did I research all that stuff for? I just wanted to throw you off. I wanted to make sure you were fresh. I was ready to do this big Zodiac episode. Plus, I don't want to make sure that you don't lose your skills.

You've got to keep your skills sharp. Yeah, well, that's true. And I didn't want this to be a full-blown Q&A episode. We did one of those, right, earlier in the year. I wanted this to be holiday-themed. So we did put out, though, if anybody had questions and we did make a big list of questions. Yeah, we got a mix of holiday questions and just other types of questions. Other types of questions.

That was your answer. You know, one of the ones that I did like, it was what, what is your favorite holiday family tradition? What is it? Oh, you want me to go first? Absolutely. So mine might be a little different than, than some, but one side of my family, my mom's side, every year, Christmas, we would get together at her house with my grandparents and my two uncles

and my aunts. And we would play this card game called Rook. And I don't know if you've ever played it, Gibbs. I've heard of Rook. It's not a card game that I don't think a lot of, like super popular, right? It's not hearts or spades. And it's played with a very specific deck of cards. And Rook is like the big daddy Trump.

It's like a bird. Oh. So it's kind of like a spades game or a Trump game, something like that. And I just remember that since I was a little kid. That was like the best thing in the world to me. I couldn't wait for Christmas. Now, I wanted my presence. Don't get me wrong.

I liked to open me some presents. Yeah. But there was something magical about sitting around, because I was the only kid. So I'm sitting around with all these adults. And they had taught me the game from a very early age. And of course, I would cry when I lost. And a lot of times I think they let me win when I was young. But as I got older, I mean, we got competitive.

And I, you know, me, I don't like to lose. Nope. And I will throw a tantrum. You do. Or not now. I used to. Oh, yeah. the other day, you're like on the floor bouncing around.

I was at the mall, which made it worse. Yeah, everybody's got to see it. My wife wouldn't buy me an Annie Ann's pretzel, and I just laid down in the middle of the mall. Her and her healthy regime. Regime? Regime. Regime. Regime.

All right, so what about you? You know, for me, it was going to my grannies every Christmas Eve. Granny Gibson? Granny Gibson, yeah. She always made the peanut butter fudge, the chocolate fudge. the potato candy the the the heck is potato candy oh man potato candy is the best man it's like put a little bit of potato in it i guess the starch helps it out or something but it's just like got a lot of powder sugar in it and egg whites powder and sugar potato yeah i don't know somehow potato does something

to it helps it stiff i don't know but anyway you just ate it you know oh yeah yeah it's like this white stuff and then she spread peanut butter on top of it and then she rolls it up and chops it, you know. It sounds really good. It is actually. Potato with some white stuff. You don't taste any potato, but it's just like, it's just like. You need to say like what the white stuff is.

It's just some white stuff on the top of it. I don't know. Powdered sugar mixed with something. Well, but potato. The recipe calls for like one potato. For this whole batch. And this whole batch. Yeah.

So that was, and her peanut butter fudge is like to die for. I mean, my dad still makes it to this day. And people, you know, he used to have a couple. Come from miles around. They do, man. He used to have, you know, he used to have a couple offices. To get the Gibson family fudge. So he would always hand it out to people that work for him.

And then when he retired, people still call them and like, hey, you make any of that fudge? They want it, man. It's that good. So your family tradition seems to center around a lot of treats and sweets and. Pretty much. I mean, being with your grandma, granny, I get that. Yeah, she was the best ever. You did talk a lot about sweet stuff.

Yeah. Well, you know what? And this is how good she was. So she could take a potato and make it into some candy. She could make it into candy. Yeah. So she had a stroke when I was little. And that's back then when they didn't have them.

Right. More, probably more debilitating. Yeah. So she could never use her one arm and she can never speak. You know, she could try to say something, but you really didn't know what you got to like. Oh, so she was pretty bad. Oh, absolutely. Yeah.

So she never recovered from it. But still, she knew how to make that damn candy, made it the best it was ever. I mean, it was always like the best. Almost like one, one armed. Yeah, yeah, yeah, she still made it for us. And every time we saw her for holidays and birthday, she would do this thing where she'd come up, like, nobody was watching her. And she'd do her one good hand. She'd have a $5 bill in it.

And she, like, tap outside of your hand and, like, slide to $5 to you. On the slide. Yeah, and give you that little look. And shh, don't tell anybody. You know, you're like, oh, man, she's the best. Grandma's are the best. I might grandma on my dad's side, who's actually still alive. She's the only grandparent that I have still living.

Wow. She makes this amazing red velvet cake. And now red velvet's very popular. I mean, you see it all time, like in cupcake stores. Everything's red velvet. But back in the day, I never saw red velvet anywhere. I didn't know what the heck it was. Except when she would make it.

I mean, this was 40 years ago she was making it. Yeah. But yeah, that was always, you know, going to her house, I knew I was going to have red velvet cake, and I was looking forward to that. That kind of answers one of the questions. Somebody asked us, how did we spend our holidays as kids? And I went to my, started off Christmas Eve, go to my grannies, Granny Gibson. And then we'd roll out of there and then go to my mom's side to my aunt's house, which that was crazy because my aunt's. didn't know how to say no to spending.

She went overboard. Oh, I mean, her garage would be stuff full of presence. I'm talking floor to ceiling. That's the kind of relatives you like to have, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not always for us, but. For somebody. But somebody, I just always remember seeing that going, oh, my gosh, man.

Mine was a little different. A lot of presents. My parents were divorced. Yeah. So, and then got remarried. So I had. like 75,000 places to go over Christmas because grandparents and I've got, you know, multiple sets of grandparents and it was just a very hectic, I mean, I loved it. Don't get me wrong,

but it was just like that. That movie, Four Christmases. Never saw it. Oh, you didn't see that with the real tall guy? Oh, that tall guy? Yeah, and Reese Spoon. I don't remember the tall guy. The tall guy and Reese Spoon.

Yeah, the tall guy. He's like, you know what I'm talking about. Come on. The real tall guy. There's a lot of real tall guys. I was trying to think who was in movies. He's in that movie, like Google. Oh, Vince Vaughn? Yeah, Vince Vaughn. Yeah.

You can't think of Vince Vaughn? I couldn't. Yeah. Vince Vaughn and Richeuth. He's Motorboat and son of a bitch. I know it. Love Vince Vaugh. That real tall guy.

He's not even that tall. I think he's like 6'4. Oh, he's taller in it. He's like 6-8. No. Yeah. I'm going to Google that. He's like Shaq.

No. He's like Shaq. Yeah. That real tall guy. I guess he would be real tall to you. Hey, now. I'm six. Boom.

Right there. Six, boom. Boom. If you're six, I'm six, six. There you go. All right. Five eleven. I was taller when I had hair.

Yeah. I lost an inch or two. Yes, you did. That's what I heard. When I lost my hair. So, I don't know, Gibbs. Let's talk about, do you have a favorite Christmas ever? I was pretty lucky.

I had a really good child. hood. So I had a lot of, I had a lot of good Christmases. And as, as an adult, I had some really good ones. Probably the one that stands out is with my little niece, what I have several. I mean, I've got a lot of nieces, but my youngest one on my wife's side, her first Christmas, she spent it with us. Really? Yeah, and it was really cool, really cool. I really enjoyed being there for her. Yeah, that is awesome. It's going to make mine seem like much more materialistic. Nah, man.

So when I was a little kid, it was only one thing in the world I wanted. And it was an Atari. You know, my friends had Atari. I just wanted Atari so bad. I mean, I told my parents, I don't care if you get me anything else. I just want an Atari. I thought it was going to be the Oscar Meyer weenie whistle. No, not.

Or the, uh, what's the one from a Christmas story? The, uh, the Dakota ring. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For me, it was, it was Atari. 2,600. That was it. Attention shoppers.

The new Atari cartridge game is in. Excuse me. Uh-oh. George again. Atari's airsy battle. It comes with 27 games, but that's just for starters. You can get nine cartridges, 187 games. Oh, blackjack. I'd like an Atari.

Sorry, only our demonstrators left. Mine! No, George. Mine. The new video computer system by Atari. More games, more fun. So that was an actual, I went on YouTube to see if I could find one. That was an actual commercial from 1977, the year Star Wars came out.

Is that when Star Wars came out? Yeah. For Atari, I don't know what year Atari. It probably did come out. That was probably one of the first years it was out. And I don't remember what year I got mine. I just remember it being the coolest thing. And now they have the throwback.

You can buy them plug right into your TV. It's not the same. No, you get pretty boring, I would think. Well, if you looked at the graphics from back then, it's like some stick figure. Yeah. Because I remember the first video game I had was, I don't know if it was Atari. Yeah, Pong going back and forth. It's like, now you be like, really?

That was what we did. Yeah, I mean, the 50s were ever such a, such a strange time. But, you know, they didn't even get that. You catch it, yeah. Nice. But also, do you remember the little handheld football game? Yeah, Cleco. Yeah.

And it had a little dash thing. You just move your finger real fast to move up and down. So I had one. I got a story about it. And I got, I had one. And then a couple years ago, I got another one because I just wanted to like relive the memory of playing that. Okay. So that goes in with my story.

I had the original. Okay. When I was a kid. And my mom was getting rid of a bunch of stuff and she said, hey, come over and get your stuff. So I got it. I put it on eBay, sold it for like $250. Man. like three months later I was at some department store and they had it in a sealed thing.

They'd just come out with like a remake of it. Right. I bought mine off of eBay for $350. Yeah. You're playing my Calico football. So what if you went back? Let me ask you this. Go back.

Let's say you were 10. Okay. Right now. Right. Back in the day. Back in my husky self. Your husky jeans. Yeah.

And you saw like a call of duty game. You would just be blown. away. Yeah. I mean, talking graphic-wise. Oh. Between, like, what we had back then and... If I'm sitting there playing my little...

The football game has like... It's a blip. Yeah. And you just, all you can do is move it like... And then next to me, somebody's got Madden? The real Madden of today? I'd be like, what? Man, I tell you, video game-wise, man, kids.

And then with the internet and playing against people, you know, all over the world. They have the virtual gaming? So they put that little mask on their face and it's like they're in the game? Yeah, I mean, you've got a virtual set, but it's for something else. Not for gaming. Well, you know, don't be jealous. Don't be hating. Don't be jelly.

So do you remember the football game, the other football game where you'd have the vibrating, I don't know what it was called? It was like just a piece of sheet metal that vibrated. You had your little pieces at. And wherever they went, they went. Yeah. You'd have to stop it and line them back up again and start the play. Oh, those were the days, man.

You could have fun with the, like the silliest, most simple game. Yeah. I mean, think about slinkies way back in the day. Oh, yeah. And there were people that would just play on the stairs with a slinky. How pissed were you if you got one and you were in a one-story home? You'd be like, well, I can't even do anything with it. I mean, no, my kids would never sit there all day and play with the slinky.

No. They'd be watching their iPhone, doing something on the iPad and maybe let the slinky go down the stairs. So I guess this kind of goes into what is the best Christmas gift you ever received. And I know for me, Gibbs, it was a. About, well, I can say it was exactly 23 years ago, I'm thinking. My wife and I were dating and Christmas was coming up. And she bought me a, I always had this gold chain that my mom had bought me. I've still wear it.

I've worn it since high school. Yeah. And she bought me a University of Kentucky UK pendant, gold pendant. And I still wear it today. Best gift I ever got. Did you go to UK? No. I just like UK.

Did you ever live in Kentucky? I have a house in Kentucky. Did you ever live in Kentucky? Yeah. Not as my sole residence. All my family's from Kentucky. I know. One half is from Kentucky.

That was from Tennessee. Yeah. This is one thing we got in common. We got both family that grew up in Kentucky. So that was just a really cool gift. That was before we got married. And now, you know, we've been married 22 years. 22 years?

22 years. He's put up with you that long? I know. It's amazing. That is amazing. Right? That's a Christmas miracle. Amazing that I got married when I was seven, too.

Well. Only 29. And she's older than you, too. She is. I'll leave it at that. All right. So what do you got? My favorite gift?

You know, probably, probably my first knife. I got a, uh, uh, wasn't a K bar, I bet. No, it wasn't. Not for your first. You can't go K bar your first. No, it was like a three and a half inch knife, blade. It was about three and a half inches. And it was from my uncle.

Was it a folding? No. Drop blade? Yep. It was from my. Sheath? It did come in a sheath. Yeah.

It was for my favorite uncle. He engraved the back of the sheath, carved it in. We were really close, so it meant a lot to me that he gave me something like that because even he asked my parents and they're like, no, don't give that. Like the Red Rider BB gun? Yeah, he'll stab his eye out. That's really cool. And you're getting very sentimental here.

No, it's awesome that we have those type of memories. The downside, I guess, of it is he just didn't know what he was going. going to create by giving you that, uh, he didn't, that first knife. Somebody actually did ask on the page, does Gibby really own a K bar or is just just something that he's always wanted? And I can vouch that Gibby owns at least one K bar. Yeah, absolutely. Real, real K bar. Don't believe me. Come check me out. A lot of people message us about what is a K bar. I know. Yeah, I guess there's some like probably especially in other countries. European candy bar

or down in Australia or something else. Yeah, it was actually K bar candy bars, which they look kind of weird too, by the way. They were like fruit candy bars. Were they potato based? Potato based. With a little fruit on top and some white stuff. You wait,

I'm going to go make some potato candy and you're like, this is the best stuff ever. It's the best potato candy I've ever had. Yeah. I can guarantee it's probably going to be the best potato candy. I've ever had. So you can make fun of it. So what's your most favorite, either Christmas cookie or candy?

Or both? Yeah, for me, I'm not a real big candy, sweet guy. I'm more of a salty, salty, savory type guy. But, you know, that red velvet cakes up there. My wife actually makes a really good pumpkin roll. Oh, really? Yeah, that I like with like the cream cheese in the inside. Did she make it or does she tell you she makes it?

No, she makes it. I've seen her make it. Okay. Actually, I can. She doesn't buy it and then unwrap it and say, honey, I made this. Unroll it and then wait until you come in the door and start rolling it back up again. Well, maybe that's what she does. I don't know. But it's actually really good.

Yeah, I like, well, besides what are my granny's fudge and potato. Potato. My mom, for whatever reason, man, she makes these chocolate crinkles. That hell's a chocolate crinkles. Man, they're the, I just, because I grew up with them. And so you got to know my mom. And you live in like a fantasy land. I've never heard of any of this.

Yeah, we knew Willie Wonka and all that. Chocolate crinkle. Chocolate crinkle. So it's just like a, like a, it's a crinkled potato. Kind of like a brownie, brownie cookie-ish kind of a thing. And it just, it has like cracks on the top. And then you put like the, like powdered sugar. You had dusted with powder sugar on top.

You guys eat a lot of powdered sugar. We did eat a lot of powder sugar. You know what you should do? You should get a job working for one of these big food companies. Yeah. Doing commercials describing the food. It's got a lot of powder sugar. You're really good at really getting to the nitty gritty on what those things like.

Oh, I can tell you, people know. It's creamy. It's a Christmas cookie. It's all the chocolate crinkle. Betty Crocker's cookbook has them in there. Oh, does it? Okay. Yeah.

So I can Google it. You can Google and you see it. Yeah. Chocolate crinket. I like chocolate, though. I do like chocolate. Like I said, I'm not a huge sweet person, but yeah, I like chocolate stuff. No, my mom always burnt her cookies.

On purpose? No, but she'd just burn them. There's some people that like them. If she doesn't listen to this one, she doesn't listen to this one. She'll be like, not happy that I said that, but it's the truth, Mom. I'm one of the strange one. I actually prefer burnt cookies. You like a lot of stuff burnt.

Because I grew up with a lot of burnt food. Again, mom is not going to be happy. No, but she did like make sure everything was like done. She was worried about things being undercooked. Yeah, so hamburgers were well done. My dad, my dad literally wants some. He wants him on fire and he wants them completely charred. Yeah.

Like a puck, like a hockey puck. Well, that's how my mom was. Yeah. Yeah, she wanted to make sure we'm going to get sick off anything. So you had a little crunch with your meal. So what about a gift that you wanted that you didn't get? I wanted some jarts, but I didn't get them. Is that before they outlawed them, stopped making them?

It was before that, but it was after I played with the neighbor's jarts and put one through the roof. Ah. So, yeah. If you don't know what jarts are, Google them. Because, like, one of the most dangerous toys ever made. Yeah. You could literally, it was like a medieval weapon. They were so fun, though.

They were fun. You know? But there's a lot of people that got hurt. Oh, yeah. First of all, I thought you were saying jorts. Like, you were playing with the neighbors' kids' jorts. And I was like, where is this story going, Gibbs? Yeah.

That's another story. Jorts. You'd probably wear a jorts. I bet you wear jorts. You don't know what jorts are. Well, I did two back in the day. I don't wear them today. I think you still have some.

I might have them. I don't know. Cutoffs. I can't believe you didn't know what jorts were. Shorty shorts. You probably wear Daisy Duke. I do. Give me a pair of Daisy Dukes.

Daisy Dukes. With the fringe, you let the fringe hang down. Makes me feel good. Sexy. Makes me feel sexy. Why do I feel like Travis is going to do something with me with Dukes of Hazard jeans on shorts? I wouldn't put it past him. So one, I remember as a kid, I think it was Rocky 3 that, you remember Rocky 3?

That was one with Mr. T in it. Yeah. So Rocky was rich by that point. Right. And he had, for Christmas, he got a robot, like a real robot. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember that. I wanted that robot. You wanted that, huh?

Yeah. And, of course, I'm sure it was not real. They made it for the movies, but I didn't know that. You don't know that. And I wanted my mom and dad to get me that robot. And they didn't get it for you. I didn't get that robot. What I did get,

I did get a robot. It was this little kind of small robot. So it had a real, like, remote control. So it would go away from you a little bit. And you could press a button, talk into the remote control, and it would come out of the robot. So that's cool. So you could, like, walk it three feet away and say, Mom, I need a Pepsi. Yeah.

And she's like, I heard you when you said the first time. It didn't have real long range. Yeah. They weren't that advanced back then. You always had a problem with long range. But it was a cool toy for the day. So one question was, what is your favorite holiday song or holiday carol? I think I can sum that up in a clip, Gibbs.

The Bengals, Sting, Run DMC, the judge, John Cougar-Bellencamp, Stevie Nix, Michael McDonald, you two and more. In an all-new holiday special, Santa Claus is Rocking to Town with Top of the Pop. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! A very special Christmas. So, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, Run DMC. That's it right there. I don't even know if that's a real song. I just found that clip.

I thought it was funny. You liked it, didn't you? Yeah. If I had to go favorite holiday song, I would go, first of all, it has to be sung by Elvis. And I think I'll go white Christmas, but it has to be Elvis. I'll go with drummer boy with Bowie. Oh, that one's good. Yeah.

That one's different. That one's out there. Yeah. It's not like traditional. But I like the drummer boy. Yeah, he did, you know, he did some, speaking of that clip, he did some specials where he did drummer boy, they were really good. Yeah.

And I'm not a huge Bowie fan. I never was. I think he looked up with, um, Elton John one time. Elton John, but he also hooked up with Bing, Bing Crosby. And Danny F and Kay? I don't know, Danny F and K. You'd be whistling zippity dood out of your asshole. Nice.

Speaking of holiday traditions, that, that's got to be on top of the list for me. Which one? Whistle on out of your ass? You don't even know what that's from? Christmas vacation. Christmas vacation, yeah. I don't know what it is about that movie. As a kid, I love Chevy Chase. It's in my top five.

I really did. I was a big fan of Chevy Chase. Fletch. I love Fletch one. Fletch two. I don't know. It's all right with Fletch, too. But I just, I don't really like Chevy Chase and, you know, vacation.

Didn't we just talk about Vegas vacation? I think we did. On just last week's episode? Yeah. But, you know, Christmas vacation for me, I mean, you have the guy from Big Bangs in it. Oh, Johnny. Johnny Galecky. Yeah, he plays a little Rusty.

Rusty. And Juliette Lewis, and she went on to do a bunch of stuff. She did. Natural Boring Killers. And you had Elaine living across next door. The mom from Everybody Loves Raymond. There's a lot of people in that. Yeah, there really was.

That you didn't know at the time would go on to do, you know, big shows. I still love the one. freeze everybody and she puts his hand she puts her hand on his crotch and holds it there forever man cousin eddie's my favorite yeah and i also like i beat you with a rubber hose cracks me up i mean if i count on my i mean how many times i've said shitter's full in his voice shoulder's full i'd be a millionaire you probably would be you do say that i say it a lot is that your favorite christmas movie yeah i would say it probably is i mean i like some i don't i like some of the traditional ones you know it's a wonderful live. I can watch those, but I just, I like Christmas vacation. It's funny.

As far as on the comedy side, that's my favorite. Just Christmas movies in general, probably white, white Christmas with Bing. That's probably my number one. Really pushing the Bing Crosby. I am. I really trying to sell that, aren't I? Yeah. I love actually, some reason I really like that. I don't know. You're going to give me shit about it. Is that Hugh What's his Nuts? Yeah. Hugh What's his Nuts? It's a European Christmas kind of a I don't think I've ever seen it. Yeah. Well, you probably wouldn't have because it's not your type of movie.

Now, you shouldn't say that. I watch a lot of movies like that with my wife. Yeah. Thanks for adding that in there. Don't watch them by myself. Yeah. I watch them with, and actually some of them I really enjoy. Nice.

Or at least I tell her I do. Sure you do. Yeah. Now I'm going to have to watch it. Just like I got to watch Mr. Limpit, the fish man or whatever the heck it is. That's good. That's good stuff. Everybody loves it.

That's good stuff. Everything we saw on social media was like, oh my gosh, I can't believe you haven't seen that. You got to watch it. It's just one other movie I got to watch. So we've talked a little bit about what we like Gibbs. Is there anything you don't like about the holidays? My credit card bill? Yeah.

No, I get that. I think my wife and I talk about it all the time. We go overboard. And I think a lot of people do. Yeah. I mean, if you're one of those families that can set a limit and you're very, very judicious, I don't even know if that's the right word, but with gifts and, you know, the kids really appreciate the X number of gifts that they get. Man, I'm in all of you.

Yeah. Because I wish we could do that because I think it becomes, you know, Christmas anyways is so commercial. And then it's like an arms race. I feel like because every year you're trying to either outdo yourself or, you know, find something that's going to blow everybody away. way and that usually means more money. Yeah, I give into guilt. And that's not what Christmas is about, but I mean, we do it. I really like back in the day when you actually just went out and picked up something that you thought somebody would like and then it shifted to now you get these lists with very detailed information. And then it went to, well, if not that, just gift cards.

That's all my kids won. Yeah. So, I mean, that's just like someone handing a $100 or something said, Merry Christmas. Right. I mean, it's just, I don't know. Well, and I have two girls and they're, you know, they're getting to be teenagers. So between them and my wife, it's just a constant, you know, everybody knows what they're getting. Half the time they go out and buy it together. Right.

There's really not, you know, I missed the days when they were young where it was a real surprise, right? And you could see it in their eyes. They didn't know what they were getting. Now it's they open it and it's like, oh, I remember when we got that. Yeah. That's what Christmas is. That's what I like. You know, my wife is big on putting things and gift bags, and I hate that because it's so easy, you know.

And I get it. It's the reason she likes it. It's just easy. Because it's easy. So, I don't know, last few years, I just, you know, I like the rap stuff, man. You're just seeing how many family members you can just throw under the bus, aren't you? Merry effing Christmas. Everybody's going to be pissed at you.

Oh, you know. Your mom can't cook and burns everything. thing. Oh, she fed me, man. Your wife is too lazy to wrap presents. My mom's a good. Now you're back pet. I get you. She's a good cook. She just liked the meat. The meat was well done. You tempered that and had a hard time getting it out. I did. No, I'm just messing with you. But she did throw quite a number of people under the bus. Yeah, well, you know. But I do. I mean, I love the holidays. I love this time of year. I wish it would snow, because we actually do usually get some snow. Yeah, we normally get a little bit. It's like almost 50 degrees here. I know. Tomorrow's supposed to be 50 again. Very strange for this time of year.

Yeah. Got my shorts on my jeans shorts. I get that global warming. Well, they said they just heard some magna. Magna? Magma? Magma. Piping hot magma. Magma coming up over there by the, like Virginia area. Who said that? Al Gore? No. No. It was actually on the regular news. I don't watch the news. It's too depressing. Some scientists discovered it. Bill and I, the science guy. I don't know what that means for us. Well, I don't think it's good.

Is it a good sign that we have magma? I don't know. Makes you want to do that. You know, Austin Powers. I just said it. Piping Hot magma. You didn't even get it. You didn't even get it.

It comes together. I'm throwing these movie references out at you and you're like, what? What? I am, you know, Gibby. You know, takes me a little bit of time to click in. Get your movies straight. Get my movie straight. You know, speaking of talent.

You know, you have a talent for movies, knowing what they're called, knowing who's in them. Everybody knows that. It's no secret. Nail it. What are your hidden talents? Hidden talents that we're allowed to talk about? Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Not that are like A-1 top government clearance. Not those. Not that kind of stuff. Not those stuff you do on the side. Not that one thing that happened and you know where at one time? Right. When you know who? Can't talk about that.

Okay. I just want to make sure. I got nothing. You got no hidden. You don't have a. single hidden talent. It's all out there. How about you?

I'll sing in the shower. You sing everywhere. I do. I do like to sing in the shower too, but that's where it stops. I'm not really that talented. Really? Maybe neither one of us are that talented. Just sound like a couple boring podcast guys.

I think that's what we are. We're family guys, man. That's it. We like to talk about true crime. You do strum the guitar or you did. I don't know. I've been coming here for a year in the studio and look across and you have these two very high-end guitars that just lean up against the wall.

ball. Yeah, I have yet to see you pick them up. I have a Fender Stratocaster that hasn't moved since she started coming over. Got a little dust on top, you know? Otherwise, uh... They don't play them a lot. I remember you used to be into fishing. Yeah. Yeah, I do like to fish a lot. Yeah. And I shoot competitively.

Yeah, you used to shoot competitive. I haven't, not much anymore since we started the podcast, but... You got all the equipment for it. Yeah, no, I'm into competition shooting. I do like that. Sport. I mean, I've always liked sports. I played basketball and baseball. and football. I know you wrestled in high school. Wrestled, play football. Yeah.

Were tights? Or did you wear the required uniform? I wore tights. I weren't where you had to wear. What movies is that from? I don't know. Breakfast Club. Breakfast Club? Come on, man. You're losing your movie credentials fast. I am. I expect it more out of a varsity. Yeah. Letterman. Yeah. I thought you were going to get it. I had such high hopes that you were going to know. I'm not going fast tonight, man. I ran track and field. too. Did you? Yeah. Now see that's something I never did like to run. We had to run a lot for basketball and I hated running. Yeah. I don't mind running during a game. Just just to run. Yeah, I didn't. No, I can't stand there. A hundred meter and 200 meter dash. Fast. You don't look like a fast guy to me. I was man. I wasn't fast as the other people up on the line with me? Did you run again? Yeah, but I was fast. It's like, hey, I'm right here with you. How did you? Didn't you compare yourself against the other people that you were running against? I did. I was in the middle.

I wasn't going to get a scholarship. Put it that way. I wasn't the guy at the end, though. Well, you didn't need one. I mean, you had an academic full ride to Harvard. I don't know why you didn't go. Well, you know, I thought it was better to go to community college. You could have been a professor of English by this time.

You know. Professor or something. Tenured. Yeah. Something. Tenor or something. Oh, my gosh. All right.

What else? What other questions? We've got some other questions, Gibbs. They're not really holiday related. Somebody asked, you know, how do you guys? guys balance work, podcast, family. This is a really good question. Have you ever missed an important event because of the workload? And I mean, I will say, I'll start off. I'll say it's tough. There's no doubt about it having the full-time type of jobs that we do that are not, you know,

kind of punch in, punch out jobs. Right. And then this is almost like another full-time job that we do at night. It's a lot of work. Yeah. Yeah. We put a lot of hours in at work. And then, you know, especially you, I mean, you really had a lot on your plate at one point when you were doing both the T-Cat, T-Cat-Untolved, criminology and that other podcast that you did for a little bit. With Aphrodite. Or that fordiety. Yeah. But still, criminologies, we're going to start that back up pretty soon. Yeah.

But that was a lot on your plate at that time. It was. And everything else going on. So. I can't say that I've ever missed an important event, like a birth. I've never missed a birthday or. No, I remember we were at. something like that crime con and you were able to meet everybody have fun and then you you're able to

you took off and was able to be with your wife on her big birthday yep we kind of slipped out a little early and yeah and you were able to surprise my wife um which was which was nice uh you know with the podcast i haven't missed anything you know but you know back in the day man before this job that i'm in now i had another job and i did man i missed some of my kids important events and I said I'd never do that again man yeah no I I get that I've never wanted a job where and a lot of people have these jobs and they probably love them and they make a lot of money yeah but you know where you're traveling around for sales and you're maybe you're gone at long periods of time that's just something I couldn't do and I like to be at home I like to be with my family

Now, what I will say that the podcast has done is it's caused me to miss some of the extracurriculars that I used to do. Right. So I don't play golf as much. You know, I mentioned competitive shooting. I don't do that as much. I don't get to fish as much, stuff like that. Yeah. I don't get to do my sculpting that I used to do.

Mm-hmm. Your nude modeling. My new modeling. Really went, yeah. It took a big hit. And you were making some nice coin. Yeah, a coin. As a nude model.

Yeah. I was making a few. shillings shillings trying to think of a word you know we still always get asked where where do we meet and i know we covered that last time but he still comes around and like we actually me mike met at work yep we did mike actually hired me many many many years ago yeah and that's how we met been friends ever since you know the other the other question we got and i don't know if we're repeating ourselves or not gibbs whether we covered some of these on the q and a but that's fine because we we have a lot of new listeners that

may not have listened to that. But one of the questions that we get asked a lot is what case got to you the most? And we actually just did an interview with the minds of madness. Yeah. And talked about that. And I'll give them a shout out. If you're not listening to the minds of madness, go out and check it out. But we did a quick interview with Beck. And it was that Melissa Huckabee, I think, is the one that really got to us the most. The murder of Sandra Cantu by Melissa Huckabee. It was definitely the worst for me. I remember. And I think one of the other questions was somebody said, can you get PDSD? Like PTSD? Did what I say? Didn't I say PTSD? I don't know. It's not like you said PD, like PD from the little rascal. Can you get a little PD? I think you said PTSD. Yeah.

I think you said it. It just kind of old ago. I just got to give you a hard time. Yeah. That's my job. So they definitely can mess you up a little bit. I don't think. I don't think it gets like that. You know, that's something, I mean, those folks that get PDSD, mean, that's some serious stuff. You did it again. It really just rolled the shit out of it. Did I? You just rolled it? No, I agree with you. You know, PTSD, especially if you're talking, you know, military or a police officer that's involved in some kind of, you know, fatal shooting or something like that. Or a survivor of some type of traumatic experience or event. Never would I say we get that. But it does affect you. Yeah, it stays with you for a while. And it affects people

differently. There are cases that affect you longer than others. They don't affect me as much as they do Gibby. And I don't know what that says about me good or bad. It's pretty hard, man. Yeah. It just doesn't. And some of the things that we talk about, they don't make me sick or. You're like the 10 man. I don't have a heart. You don't. Squeak, squeak. That wasn't the 10 man though. Oh. He was looking for a brain. It was a lion. Scarecrow. Scarecrow.

Yeah. We don't know. It was scarecrow. No. It was the 10 man we're looking for a heart. Was it? Yeah. Scarecrow was looking for a brain.

What was the lion looking for? Courage. Courage. You're right. Courage. All right. You got that one. There you get.

A little movie history. I don't know. I'm going with you on it. All right. Going back to childhood, because we have been talking about childhood a lot, somebody asked what crime from your childhood had an impact on you or probably had the biggest impact? I think the one that I recall was Jones Town. That is so funny because that's what I was going to say. Yeah, that's the one I think

because it was so much, you know, it was really, so the three or four stations we had back then. Oh, very. It was on everything. It was on everything. So I recall it and they, you know, even back then, they played a lot of it. And it's the first time you're like, wow. I was really amazed by how many people would just fall of somebody, you know, and do that kind of stuff. You make a good point because it's not like today. I think today on the news, you see, it's like, I don't even watch the news because every night it is shooting, murder, this and that. Right.

You know, we've got 24-hour news networks. You can see that stuff everywhere you turn. Back then, you had the 6 o'clock local, I think, 7 o'clock national probably. Yeah. But it was all over. And it was pretty graphic. It was graphic back then. I mean, I remember seeing the bodies laying down.

And if I remember right, there was like a shootout at the plane with the senator or whatever. We are going to do that because that is a story that I think we should do. So that's just kind of strange that, I mean, we're close in age. So it's not outrageous that we would have the same one. You know, I wasn't alive when Manson did his thing. You know, even some of the ones that we talk about, I don't remember as a kid. I think my parents did a pretty good job of shielding us, at least shielding me, my brothers from the local crime stuff.

We didn't hear a lot about it. All right, Gibb, so I got to know, and this wasn't a question that was sent in, this is just a question I have for you. You remember as a kid, because they still play most of them, all the holiday specials, right? So you got Rudolph, you got Frosty, you've got Charlie Brown Christmas, and there's been a ton of them. Yeah, there's like a dozen of them, right? Yeah. So what's your favorite? I had two.

I said, what's your favorite? My favorite? No, I'm saying. You can say two. Probably, I think my favorite, I think it's called Santa Claus coming to town or the one with Heat Miser. Is that the one with the baby New Year? No, baby New Year's it's been off with Rudolph. That's the one, that's mine. I like the one.

The baby with the big ears? Yeah. I like that one. I don't think that's the same. But the one with Santa's coming to town or not coming to town. I don't know. The one with heat. He's either coming to town.

and Heat Miser. He's not coming to town. You remember Heat Miser and Mr. Freeze? I just don't know if they're all part of the same thing or these are different ones. That's my favorite. That's my favorite. Then right close behind it is the drummer boy. I'm really into that drummer boy song.

What is it with you in the drummer boy? I just like that. You know that. Why you'd sing us a little ditty? I don't want to impress people too much with my vocalalities. Vocalalities. Yeah. Write that down in your Gipchenary.

That's going to be on Ghibit. B's new Word of the Day calendar out, first of the year. Get it on Amazon. Get it on true crime all the time. Get it on true crime all the time. If we're going to sell it, man, we're going to sell it on true crime all the time. What about lethal weapon? Can I count lethal weapon as a Christmas movie?

I think he count diehard. Oh, die hard. Yeah, even better. At the Nakashami Shumi. Nakatomi towers there. Sokatumi. that had what's his name

from Harry Potter in it Alan Rickman Who else was in that movie Diehard? Who else was in it? Yeah, famous That was famous Yeah

The guy from Family Matters The dad, he was in it Was he played the cop Oh yeah, he was Remember? He was trying to get a Twinkie That's right And his wife was pregnant

Not a Twinkie Like you have like He picked up like four or five He had some Twinkies He did man Let's see who was famous In that movie What was just Bruce Willis

and Alan Rickman and I don't think the limo driver stuck in the parking garage. He didn't, he wasn't famous. Oh, so you don't have an answer to this. I was just thinking, was there somebody else in there? Because I'm really racking my brain. Like, am I missing somebody? I thought you were trying to stump me. I was just throwing it out there.

Hey, who else was famous? I'm really like, Givie knows this and I don't know it. No. So this question is a little different. You get one franchise. Makes it a little harder because you got to, you, You got to pick from, because not all in the franchise might be good. One movie franchise?

Mm-hmm. I just want to clear. I was thinking food at first. I was like, man, that's so good. Like a wind, I want a Wendy's. I was like, I don't know. You wouldn't take Wendy's. No, I take Chipotle.

It's Chipotle. I take Chick-fil-A on that. Chip-Fote. Chick-fil-A, because I get Sundays off. You own it. What's the difference? I'm off every day. If I got Chick-fil-A, they're pulling the money, man.

All right, one movie franchise. One movie franchise. So you got to think how good they are, how many do you get? Yeah. Because, I mean, if you go Star Wars, you get a bunch of movies. I'm not a big, I know people are going to be like, what? I'm not a big Star Wars person. Yeah, I just saw the new one last night.

Not a big Star Wars, not a big Star Trek person. Not a big Star Trek, but I love Star Wars. I mean, you got Pirates of the Caribbean. Indiana Jones. I like Indiana Jones. Indiana Jones, Harry Potter. Got Sean Connery. You know, I was watching the other day on YouTube.

I was watching old Saturday Night Live skits. I just loved to watch old Saturday Night Live skits. And I was watching the one where Will Ferrell plays Alex Trebek. Oh, yeah. And the guy that plays Bert Reynolds. Oh, I know he's talking about. Shit, I can't think of his name. But he writes his name is Turd Ferguson.

Yeah. And I've always cracked up. That's your nickname now. Turd. Turd Ferguson. He just did like some KFC commercials, not too long. Norm. Yeah, Norm.

McDonald. McDonald. But that's not your... No, that's not my franchise. That's not my franchise. I mean, National Lampoon, that's a franchise. Yep. There's a lot of them, really.

You don't even think about how many different franchises there are. Born, Born I didn't, you know, Jason Bourne. Some of good stuff there. Man, that's really tough to think about that. I don't know. Pick one. Pick one. I don't go with Godfather.

It's hard. It's hard not to. I will go with, if I just get one, and that's all I get to watch. I probably go Star Wars. Yeah. Just because you get a bunch of movies. You do get a bunch. Eight, nine, nine, I guess now if you count that Rogue One thing.

So you're going to count the spinoffs too? But yeah. So you can go Harry Potter, get the eight, then you get the spinoffs, which had like two more right now. Oh, I never saw any of those. Yeah. All right. That kind of led us down a weird road. It did.

Because it takes you five minutes to figure out a movie. I can't remember. I mean, this is great, holiday special questions and things like that. But this year's almost over. It is, man. It's going to be 2018. Yeah. We're going to head into 2018.

Pretty exciting year coming up. We've got some really good episodes we're going to lay out there. Some of the big names and a lot of the not so well known. I was going to say, we're really going to dig deep. We're getting a lot of great suggestions on cases I've never heard. So now, the caveat with that is there has to be enough out there, right? That's what we run into, especially with the unsolved. There's got to be enough out there to really do the research to get, you know,

an hour and 15 or, you know, over an hour's worth of... Which is really difficult. I know, until you do one, you really need about three hours to get it down to an hour. Yeah, we've said that before. Now, we're getting a little bit better. Right. We're getting, we've done, you know, two and a half, two hours and 45 minutes. We're under three every time now.

Right. But, you know, we do record for probably five hours at least to get two episodes. Two episodes. That's not... And then you got a count. And then you got all the research that you do, you know, Maggie helps out a lot with the solved. Oh, definitely. But we still have to, you know, even for that, you know, we do our own research.

Yep. And then, of course, on Unsolved, we're doing all the research on that as well. So. All right, Gibbs. I got this one. I thought of this one. If you had to, and I mean had to, you were forced to invite one serial killer to dinner with your family. Who would it be?

Wow. that's a tough one because you don't want any of them there no but i know i don't want domer because he'll eat everything yeah but um i mean everything everything uh now he's okay so caveat he's not going to hurt anybody there yeah but we know what he does but you know what he's done okay and he's going to talk about it he's going to tell you the real story about it some of these guys would have some pretty good stories. Not the kind you maybe want to hear, but they definitely would... Oh, you'd be riveted.

Yeah. You'd be like, you know, like it again, imagine? Yeah. Or, uh... Or gine. Gein? Yeah. Did I say again?

Yeah. Ed Gein. So it's that thing we talk about, right? It's the macab. It's the, it's the curiosity that we all have, especially listeners of true crime. You don't like what they did. You don't condone what they did. but to hear about it and try to figure out, you know, how could somebody do that?

That's, that's the part that's interesting to everybody. Nobody's glorifying what these people do. It's the fascination. And I hear it all the time. I get it in emails. All right, who's your, who's your, uh, Israel Keys? Israel Keys. Yeah.

You're going to dive into that, that mind. Yeah. I think it would be interesting to have a conversation with them. You know, I can see that for sure. I mean, the guy was, the guy was intelligent. Yeah. So you can see that going well. Yeah.

Between two very intelligent psychopaths. Exactly. It would be a chess match. It would be. It would be. I think I want to go Hannibal Lecter. I thought you said real. I never did.

You didn't say? Uh-uh. No. I would love to sit and talk to Hannibal Lecter. That's a good franchise too. I never thought about that. That's true. There's a bunch of those.

So Hannibal Lecter, if I'm going, fictional character. Okay. Although you know Dexter's in there too. Well, I would have thought you would have went, if you're going to go fictional, I thought you would have went Dexter. I don't know. I think Hannibal Lecter would be a more interesting conversation.

Yeah. For some reason. Although I do like Dexter. If I'm going real, real person, I think I would go Richard Ramirez. Really? And I know we haven't done him yet. We will. There's just something.

There's something about that dude. I would love to find out what was in his head. the night stock-off. So here's another question for you. You and your wife were going out on the town? Who am I going to watch the kids? Who would you let watch your kids? As soon as you said go out to dinner, I'm like, oh my gosh, you're going to have,

who do I want to watch the kids? Knowing that they can't harm them, but you still got to leave them with them. Oh my gosh. We're talking serial killer here. Yeah. I guess I'll go David Berkowitz. I mean, he didn't, he didn't, he didn't, any children. I know you said they wouldn't, they wouldn't harm him anyway, but I don't know.

He was, that's a really tough one, dude. I mean, you don't want to say anybody. But if you got to pick somebody. I was thinking like Herb Baumaster, you know? Yeah. So I knew who I wouldn't want. I wouldn't want Gacy. No, you definitely wouldn't want Gacy. Because I'd never be able to leave the house again if that's the person you left your kids with because he freaked them out. And they would never let, you know, even though he didn't do anything, they just would like, no, don't leave. don't go out. And you'll be able to leave the house again? Right.

Yeah, I don't know. I'm trying to think. There's so many people to choose from. These questions are really tough because I'm thinking about who we've done. I'm thinking about people that we want to cover. I mean, obviously, there's nobody good. So you can just pick one and go on. So out of the killers that we've covered, who's the most talented?

In what way? Outside of what they're known for. Oh, okay. Yeah. Who is the most that you know of that had either really strong potential or just in all the clips and research you've done said, man, this person's really talented. They had something. Yeah. I mean, I don't, I'm trying.

The first name that popped in my head, we haven't covered him, but the first person that popped into my head would be Bundy. I mean, if you think about serial killers that could have gone on to do great things. Yeah. He's probably at the top of the list. I know you asked me of the ones we've covered, and I'll try to think of that. But, uh, man, he was just a smart guy, charismatic, probably could have been a top attorney, could have run for office. He could have done a lot of things. Yeah, possibilities. He really did. I mean, there's a lot of people that we've covered that you would say, you know, this person, they were never going to do anything. You know, They never, you never saw that they were headed at any direction at any point in their life.

Right. So it's hard to pick, you know, most people. I guess if I had to pick one person, it would probably be, I guess you said him. I'll pick her bowmeister because the guy actually was successful, had made something out of himself. Yeah, he had those store franchises. Yeah. And he could have gone on to probably do some things. and he was already making a lot of money.

He just chose to kill people. Just a little thing on the side. It's not good on your resume, man. No, it doesn't look good. So, got another question for you. Mm-hmm. Of all the killers you know. Because I know a lot of them.

You know a lot of them. No, I only know one. No, I'm just kidding. Yeah. So all of the ones you researched did or did not do on the podcast, doesn't matter. Man crush. Man crush. Man crush.

Who do I have a man crush on? Yep. You know, I guess it would be, and some of this is based off of our female listener feedback too, because I really don't have a man crush on this guy, but I will say that Carrie Stainer was a pretty good looking dude. And because a lot of our female audience said the same in comments. We sure did. You know, he was a bad guy, but he's a pretty good looking dude.

Yeah. But what about you? Yeah, I don't have man crushes, man. So you ask me the question, get me to actually say it. Yeah. And then just say, I don't have man crushes. I see how it is. That's what I get for letting you ask the question.

You thought I was going to say Scott Peterson, but I wasn't going to do it. No, I didn't know what you were going to say. But I thought maybe you might say something after you made me say something. Well, I knew you would say something because, you know, you had that sparkle in your eye. Oh, as soon as you asked the question, I was all years. And you know who else I'd like to sit down and talk to? I mean, we've talked about this a lot, but going back to the dinner question, I'd really think I would enjoy talking to Dennis Raider.

You know, I keep forgetting about him for some reason. Well, we did him, we did him a very long time ago. Yeah, but. Or Kiklinsky. I mean, that was episode number two. That guy was fascinating. Yeah, I wouldn't want to be in the room with him. No, I didn't.

That's true. Because he could kill you. Yeah, I think he would like, I don't know. Very quickly with his. bare hands. Put a splinter and mean I die or something. I mean, really, you can make the case for all of these people of, and I said the word in joy, that's probably not the right word, but you, you'd be hard not to be fascinated by getting a glimpse inside their head. Yeah. I mean, it's amazing, amazing to me, on some of them, how well they articulate what they did, how they did it,

with not much emotion, but they talk about it, you know, just so freely. You know, I know we, Dom are terrible, terrible guy, man, but, you know, just the way he was talking about it, you know, it was like, I did it. I'm sorry, you know, do we believe him? Yeah. You know, but just the way he talked about it. I mean, you could see that you could probably have a, if you drink coffee, sit with them and have a cup of coffee or whatever and just probably be intrigued by what he had to tell you. Yeah. And I mean, Dennis Raider was the same way. People, we still get a lot of people talking about those clips because we played a lot of clips back then. Yeah. In that Dennis Raider, you know, that was very early on. But it's hard not to because to hear him tell the story in the way that he tells it. I mean, if you think Back Gibbs, he talked about how he had a lot in common with people. And it's just very strange the way that his mind worked. His perception versus.

reality of what people thought of them was really different. But he really, he really bought into how he thought people liked him. Yeah. Yeah. He was, he was a strange, strange cat. We, you know, Mike Morford and I on, on the criminology podcast, we interviewed a woman who actually, I'm going to say worked with Dennis Raider. It's probably not the right word, but she corresponded with him and she was studying him. Okay. And she was actually consulting. with us on Zodiac because she knew a lot about Zodiac, but she knew a lot about Dennis Raider. Yeah.

And she had some interesting stories, uh, talked about how in his, you know, he, he fancied himself a code writer like Zodiac. Right. In that he would make codes up on like his toilet paper, be, and send them to her because he didn't want the guards to be able to figure out what he was saying. She had a, she had a really good insight into him. because she had talked to him quite a bit. Yeah.

She's a fascinating woman. All right, Gibbs. What else? You got anything else for this holiday rambling? I don't, man. I don't either. I just hope everybody has a really good holiday. I do too.

I do too. And, you know, getting back to kind of how we started the show, you know, it is that time. Man, it's that time of the year. We should be doing it 365 days a year. Yeah. And I wish everybody could and would. And that would be great if we didn't have any more. people to talk about.

Right. That do these horrible things. It's never going to happen. We know it's not. No. But what I would ask is that, you know, for the, what we call the T-Cat family and our listeners and, you know, let's be nice to each other, man. That's what I want.

That's what I really, really. And I know our listeners are, but. Yeah. I just really want everybody to start being nicer to each other. Be kind and rewind. Yeah. Yeah. Don't take, you know what?

It doesn't take much. It really doesn't. No. I mean and give a smile say hello we're all guilty we're all guilty of certain things I have bad days and I say things to people that I wish I hadn't said and things that I wish I could take back and stuff like that but things roll off yeah I need to do better at that too maybe maybe that'll be my holiday your new year's resolution yeah that and the let things roll off the getting back into the gym yeah I don't know I don't know about that one I think I'll try to be nicer to people You start to start there. Let me start small. I'll start there. Yeah.

That's a big ask. Yeah. I think it'd be easier for me to just be super nice. Yeah. See if you can just be nicer. But we do. We want everybody to have a great holiday. And like we said, no matter what you celebrate or what country you're in, just have a great.

Have a good weekend. Yeah. Whatever it is. And hopefully you continue to enjoy what we're putting out because we're going to keep putting it out. And we're going to hit it hard in 2018. You like putting it out. That's for sure.

Like Gibbs said, you know, we got a lot planned. We've got, you know, going to get back to some of the less well-known, sprinkling some of the big timers. Yeah. And we got like some big events. You know, CrimeCon. Crime Con. The T-Cat Cruise.

Gibbs is putting together a T-Cat Cruise. That's right. T-Cat Cruise. Didn't we just do it? And we just did the cruise line. Oh, yeah. Yeah. A little worried about.

going on my next cruise. We got to do T-Cat, Bahama style. That'd be pretty fun. Stay off the cruise line, but just like, you know, a little island in the Bahamas. Dude, we can't even do a meet-up in the U.S. somewhere. That's true. We can't even do one in our own town. We can't afford to have a meet-up in Ohio.

I don't know. We got big dreams, right? We do. All right, so we've got some voicemails. We do. We're going to play those? I think you ought to. All right.

Hi, I love your podcast so much. My friend recommended it and I've been listening nonstop. I recommend you do a case on Manly McCann or Lisa Frum and Chris Kremas. Thank you. I like it. A lot. I do. No, it's a great voicemail.

Yeah, who is it? I don't know. She didn't say her name. You didn't leave your name. But we love you anyway. Yeah, we do. She got turned on to the show. Good recommendation.

Good recommendation from somebody. Yeah. So we like that. We love hearing about that. Yeah, and I love the accent. Yeah, love the accent. and she gave us some good cases to look. Madeline McCann's a very famous case.

I have to look into those other two. Hey, this is chef in Memphis. Just wishing Mike and give you a happy holiday. And we'll send you some ribs from Memphis. Really enjoy your podcast. And keep on a clock ticket. He had us at ribs. That's all I heard.

That's all I heard was ribs. I was at Memphis. I'm making a road trip. Road trip, Memphis. Meet you over by Elvis's place. Get some ribs. You get some ribs. All right. I'm into that one.

Oh, my holy crap, you guys. I was laughing so hard. And it's terrible because it's not a podcast where I should be laughing at. I mean, okay, let me start. This is Lettisha Upton in Utah, Salt Lake City, Utah. And when Gibby said, you hate it when anyone tells you're pretty, oh, my gosh, I've been laughing for two days. I'm totally binging your podcast.

First, I binged true crime until Thanksgiving, and now I'm binging unsolved and then binge more. Anyway, love you guys. Keep up the funny stuff. Oh, my gosh. That is hilarious. All right. Bye. Oh, Merry Christmas.

Bye. So thanks for the voicemail, Latisha. And Latisha, we email back and forth all the time. So I was happy to hear that she left a voicemail. It was awesome. And you crack her up. I try to crack you up. And it happens to crack some other people up.

And you do. And it's hard to do. Right? We talk about it. It's a very fine line between being respectful, cracking some jokes, busting on each other a little bit. I don't know what's going to come out of my mouth. It just comes out.

And if it's good, I leave it in. If it crosses the line. You might take it out. I'm guessing. Just depends. Hi, Mike and Gibby. It's Megan from Minnesota. Just wanted to say hi.

And I wanted to wish you a happy holiday. And I'm just, you know, driving for work like I do. And listening to my two favorite guys, listening to some old stuff today. But all right, you guys take care. Bye. Oh, great voicemail from Megan. She's always driving. I know.

In Minnesota. Well, and that's what I was going to say. Isn't it funny? If you listen to these voicemails, the rams. the range of accents. Oh, I know. So you have our, people think we have an accent.

I don't have an accent. And then, you know, we have English. We have Minnesota. Minnesota. It's, I love it. I love all hearing all the different accents.

And I really like how, how Megan said, bye. Like she was like really like, you know, like pulling the phone away. Like she was like, she's probably turning away in her car.

Wowie Zowie, y'allie. I'm old. I'm old. I'm old as he. Hill, so from West Texas near Lubbock, and that's not too far from where the Lincoln County wars and Billy the Kid, all that happened. So 40, 45 years ago, that's all I had to read. And my true crime was, you know, Kit Carson, Wild Bill Hick, all those people were involved

in my search for true crime. Of course, now I've got true crime and all that. Anyway, I stopped taking cable, fell a little bit behind, and I got tune-in radio, and I discovered true crime all the time. Y'all are great. Most of the cases I have heard about and know quite well, but you can't beat y'all's analysis. So more power to you, go, go, go, go, guys.

Go, go, gadget arms. Go, go, Speed Racer. So that was Paula. She actually left her name in another voicemail because she forgot to leave it. I like her, she appreciates our analysis. She does. That means she appreciates my analysis.

I'm sure she does. And another range in the accent department. West Texas, man. Awesome. Now, she said she was as old as the hills. Which hill? I don't know. It all depends on what hill you're talking about.

But I love the story about her, you know, ditching cable, finding us on tune in radio. It's just awesome. And you hear these stories about how people find out about us through their friends or, you know, doing a search for this or that. and then they stumble upon, they like it. I don't even know what tune in radio is. Well, neither one of us are like super technology wizards. We've said that before. But we are on tune in radio.

I make sure we're on all the outlets. You're just here to hear for your analysis. I just hear from my analysis. I make sure the podcast gets out to where you're supposed to go. You do all that. Yeah, I do the analysis. Yeah, I don't even, you said, I don't even know what tune in radio is. Oh, yeah, tune in radio is, man.

You just sit there, look pretty. and do the analysis. I'll make sure that it gets out to where it's supposed to get. I appreciate that. All right. Well, that is it. We've rambled on long enough.

Like we said in the previous episode, we were going to take the week off. And then we thought, you know what, let's just do something a little fun, a little laid back. We have something to put out in case people are itching to listen to us over the Christmas time.

So that's what we did. Yeah. So I hope everybody has a great holiday. I hope. And you really enjoy those relatives when they come over and eat all your good stuff. Get you some potato candy. Get some potato candy. I'm telling you.

Look it up. Make it. Potato candy. Send it to Givie. It's really good. You're appreciated. It does have a lot of sugar on it. And quite a bit of starch.

And quite a bit of starch. And some starch. Yeah. All right. Well, we love you all. We appreciate everything that you've done for us. I hope everybody knows that. Because people say to us Gibbs all time.

appreciate what we do. We appreciate them. Yeah. And I don't know. I'm hoping everybody understands that. I know we said it a bunch, but it's true. Yeah. We like what we do, but we couldn't keep doing it if it wasn't for all of you supporting us.

And we got one more episode in 2017. Going to go out with a bang. That'll come out on New Year's Eve. Listen to it. Hungover probably during on Monday or two. Tuesday. We're listening to New Year's Eve instead of listen to the, not Dick Clark. I knew you were going to say Dick Clark.

Rocking New Year's Eve. They still call it Dick Clark's Rocking New Year's Eve, don't they? With Ryan Seacrest or whatever. Well, listen to. Even though he passed away, I think they still call it that. Listen to New Year's Rocking New Year's Eve with Mike and Gibby. All right. So that's another episode of True Crime All the Time.

So for Mike and Gibby, stay safe and keep your own time ticking. I don't know.