True Crime All The Time - Jimmy Robertson

Episode Date: July 12, 2021

Jimmy Robertson had it all. He was born into a loving family who had considerable wealth. He went to the best schools and had all of the opportunities to succeed. But, He flamed out of college and began using drugs and alcohol heavily. He also began committing petty crimes. He was mad at his family because they stopped supporting him financially. He made the decision that his best option was to kill his parents in order to get his hands on his inheritance sooner rather than later.Join Mike and Gibby as they discuss Jimmy Robertson, a man who murdered both his mother and father in a brutal fashion in a drug-fueled rage. How did a kid who had every opportunity to succeed squander it away? And, even when that happened, how could a young man make the decision to murder the two people who had brought him into the world and tried to give him everything they could?You can help support the show at patreon.com/truecrimeallthetimeVisit the show's website at truecrimeallthetime.comAn Emash Digital productionSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Hello everyone and welcome to episode 241 of the True Crime All the Time podcast. I'm Mike Ferguson and with me as always is my partner in true crime Mike Gibson. Gibby, how are you? Hey, I'm doing good, man. How about yourself? I'm doing good. Just got back from vacation, a little trip to Gatlinburg where my daughter was dancing. And we, you know, we had a good time.

It was a little getaway. But what I will say is I'm having trouble getting back into the swing of things. Oh, yeah. I think it's pretty normal for most. people when they go on vacation. It is, you know, you just got a, you almost need a vacation from a vacation. Yep, yep. Especially when you're in Gallenberg, man, it's nothing but walking and people and it was hot.

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We are headed down to South Carolina to talk about Jimmy Robertson. This is a man who murdered his parents to get his hands. on their sizable fortune. If I've said it once, I've said it 100 times. These are scary types of episodes. When you think about kids killing their parents, turning on their parents. And, you know, we're going to find out that the Robertsons were kind of an all-American family, fairly typical, except for the fact that they were extremely wealthy.

Other than that, they were like every other family, right? They weren't perfect. They had their share of conflicts with with each other. Now, most of the conflicts occurred between the father Earl and his son, Jimmy. And as the years went on, the arguments escalated to the point of murder. But it's normal, right? For there to be conflict from time to time in a family. It's just you really can't not have it. Oh, yeah, I mean, everybody's got some type of family drama. Yeah, somebody's got a beef with somebody at some point. Now, I think the difference is, okay, you talk it out, you work it out, you move on. It doesn't escalate to the point where one person decides they're going to kill another person in the family. Yeah, but. And there's no yeah, but. But you just said, yeah, but I did. But when you get cut off from your meal ticket, sometimes people will do some strange things.

Yeah, and that's what we're going to see, right? Jimmy got angry about his parents cutting him off from their wealth. So he decided to murder them in a drug fueled rage. So he could get his hands on their money. I mean, they were worth over $2 million. So they were fairly wealthy. The brutality of his crime is considered as the worst violence. Rock Hill, South Carolina detectives. have seen in their entire careers. And Gibbs, to me, this is the part that it is astounding. Jimmy had everything.

He had money. Yeah. Because his parents had money and they were giving him money. He had a loving family. He had a very bright future. But when it all boils down, essentially he threw it all away. After a series of bad decisions led him down the path to murder. Now, if you look at him now, he has nothing.

nothing, not a thing. Nope. Sitting there empty hand. Well, he's got something in his hand, but it ain't money. It ain't money, that's for sure. Jimmy's parents were Earl and Terry Robertson. I mentioned they were a family from Rock Hill, South Carolina. Earl and Terry were described as family people.

They regularly attended church. They were law-abiding citizens. One of their friends told the Rock Hill Herald that Terry was warm, loving and giving. Earl and Terry married in 1971. Hey, they made at a frat party just like you and your missus. Yeah, that's not true. But I did meet and I'll just leave that one alone. I went to my share frat parties back in the day, but that's not where I met my wife. Earl was attracted to Terry because she was vivacious and she was just fun. Now Earl was described by friends as steady. and dependable. So those are two very different types of descriptions, right? Terry warm, loving,

giving, Earl is more of a rock. He's steady. He's dependable. Maybe he's not as warm. Maybe he's not as nurturing as Terry was. He was a really good provider, which we'll talk about. But, you know, that's not bad to be a dependable person. No, not at all. And those. And those two kind of probably played off each other. I was going to say maybe that's part of what you need, right? You need a balance. Not everybody can be the fun parent all the time. Not everybody can be the nurturing parent maybe all the time.

Somebody's got to draw that line in the sand and be the bad guy every now and then. You know, it's a strange dynamic being parents. It is. Everybody has to figure it out for themselves. but I mentioned it. The Robertsons were very wealthy. Earl was an executive at a textiles firm called Springs Industries. Terry was an English teacher. Their two sons, Jimmy and Chip, were born in the 1970s. And they were their pride and joy. Like most kids are, right? Sure. Earl and Terry tried their best to be good parents. You know, there was a lot in the research

Gibbs about Earl, you know, played baseball with the boys. Terry was proud of all of their accomplishments in school and sports. This was a family who traveled quite a bit. They even went on some international trips to Europe. And during the summers, Jimmy and Chip's grandparents took them to Alaska and Europe. They were living a pretty good life. Not a bad summer with grandma and We're Aunt Paul. No, in Europe. And add on top of that that these two boys were the heirs, obviously, to their parents' fortune. Jimmy and Chip both went to private schools. And, you know, the thing about Jimmy was that he was a math genius. Like myself. Very much like yourself, very good at calculations. He was an Eagle Scout even into his teenage years. Jimmy attended Northwestern

high school in Rock Hill. And he graduated in 1992. He was in the top 5% of his class. And he attended a five-week program at the governor school for academics in Charleston, one of the top private schools in South Carolina. So, you know, this is a story, you know, unlike many killers, right? When we do the background of killers, very rarely are we, talking about these type of things. Yeah, I mean, he was definitely privileged. Yes. And we are actually going to get into that.

A big part of this story and why the media says that it received as much coverage as it did was because you had a rich, white, privileged kid who killed their parents. Right or wrong. That's what came out in the research of, why this was a big story and why it made the headlines and all of that. Jimmy spent part of his senior year as an exchange student in Germany. At his graduation, he was honored as one of Northwestern's highest achieving students. And I think as a kid, he was a very happy child growing up.

But as he got older, and this happens with a lot of teenagers, right, he started to get into more and more conflicts with his parents. Yeah. You know, kids want their space. They want to be able to do whatever they want to do, especially you hit like 18, 19. Right. You know, that's kind of where I experienced it with my oldest was that, okay, dad, I'm an adult. Yeah.

My independence. Yeah, I need my independence. Yeah, you're an adult, but you know what? You're not paying for all your stuff yourself. You still live here. You're not that adult. You're not that adult. There are still going to have to be some rules. And that's tough for kids. I think when they when they get a certain age,

it was really after high school that Jimmy started to spiral downward. He did attend Georgia Tech for a couple of years studying engineering. But in 1997, he was kicked out of school for missing too many classes. And I didn't even know that. was a thing back in the 90s. Because I went to college in the 90s, and I can tell you right now, they didn't give a rat's ass whether you went to class or not. Yeah, I remember they were just happy to get the money. If you decided to not show up, that's up to you. And a lot of my classes had two, three, four hundred people in them. They didn't take attendance. They didn't know if you were there

or not. No. You went to your lecture hall or hope that you can get notes from somebody else. Yeah. Now, maybe his engineering classes were different, small. or I don't know. I will say this. My daughter nowadays, they do really want you to attend. And I remember thinking that's in stark contrast to what I remember from the time that that I was in college. Right.

A long time ago. It was a long time ago. But I can remember there were some classes that I attended only three times. Yeah. Picked up the syllabus, took the midterm and took the final. because there was nothing else. Your whole grade depended on two tests and there was no homework to turn in. There was nothing else.

Yeah. Why go? So why go? I just studied for the midterm and the final and that was it. And look at you now. Well, yeah. It's maybe a reason why I had to come back home after a couple of years of college, but we won't dive into that too deeply.

Earl was extremely angry at the fact that Jimmy got killed. kicked out of school. And it was at that point gives that he made the decision to cut Jimmy off. Right. This is a family with a lot of money. They're paying for the college. They're giving expense money, probably even more than that, right? Living these kids were probably living very comfortably. Oh, for sure. We're given whatever they, they need or whatever they wanted. And now all of a sudden, dad cuts you all. And like you mentioned, you mentioned. You mentioned. mentioned earlier, okay, Jimmy's not going to be happy about that because why? He's grown accustomed to a certain lifestyle. Every time I hear you say Jimmy, you know what I'm thinking about?

The guy that talks in third person and says Jimmy does this, Jimmy does that. Yeah, because I always know what you're talking about. You do. So, but because he was cut off, Jimmy was forced to go to work doing minimum wage restaurant jobs. He just, he just, just wasn't happy. Well, that's a big change in your lifestyle, man. From getting free money, right, from mom and dad and being able to to buy whatever you want, you're really not having to work for it to now you're having to scrape by on a minimum wage salary. It's a huge difference. He was very upset about this entire change in his lifestyle. And so he turned to drugs. He turned to alcohol. and he began committing petty crimes.

He also, Gibbs started talking to his friends about the idea of killing his parents. It's bizarre, you know, to hear that someone would do that. I think if I heard one of my friends talking about killing their parents, I guess you would think, whatever, man, why are you talking like that? Yeah. I know things are rough right now, but I know you love them and they love you. Right. Right.

I think back to 19 year old Gibby. And you hear that. Now, it was a different time back then. Sure. In the 90s. And this is when this is taking place. So if you heard that from one of your friends, of course,

you'd have been what, 37. So it doesn't quite equate, but you know what I mean. Are you taking it that seriously? Are you just thinking, uh, I've heard it before.

You know, you're blown off steam. Yeah. I don't need to concern myself. with this because it's not real. Obviously, this person is not really thinking about killing their parents. Probably just thinking so much is complaining again. Yeah. The problem is they are. In Jimmy's case, he is. Right. Thinking about killing his parents. In August of 1995, Terry filed a report saying that Jimmy threatened to hurt her. At the time, he was living in his

parents basement, but they were requiring him to pay rent. And this argument kind of erupted over the rent payment. Well, look, I moved out and moved back in at one point. And I had to pay rent. Yeah. And I, and I think that's happened a lot recently, right, to a lot of younger people, especially with the job market. And now, I think people are living at home longer, but they're also kind of trying it out, seeing what it's like and finding out maybe it's not as easy and they're moving back home. It's not easy. No. It's not something that everybody wants to do.

Once you're out, you usually want to stay out because you want that freedom. Yeah. And he's already upset with his parents anyway. So living in the basement and having to pay rent out of his minimum wage paycheck can't be easy for him. I don't go good. Terry mentioned in the report that Jimmy had drug. and alcohol problems, but no charges were ever filed. Jimmy was hospitalized for a period of time over the concerns that he would hurt his mother. So no charges by police, but obviously

someone was concerned enough to mandate hospitalization. And I think that tells you something that somebody took the threat as credible. Sure. In August 1996, Jimmy broke in to the home of William and Alma Wood. They were his neighbors. He stole their car and some of their credit cards. He charged almost $4,000 on their credit cards at Sears. Yeah, I'm thinking, what are you buying at Sears for $4,000 back then? But I'm thinking, I don't know.

Tools, man. Tools. Husky pants. Husky jeans. Sure. Sure. I mean, for me, Sears was always about tools back then, craftsmen and all of that. A good brand. Earl and Terry sat down at the Woods kitchen table and they had to apologize

on behalf of their son. Jimmy ended up serving some prison time. It was about almost a year for theft. At his sentencing, his drug possession charges were dropped under the condition that he entered a drug treatment program. So there's no doubt, right? He's using drugs on a regular basis. He was caught with drugs, but he didn't have to pay for that crime. He was on probation after his release and moved back in with his parents. I think gives by this point, Earl didn't want him there. He was fed up with Jimmy and what he was doing. Obviously, if you have to walk into your neighbor's house and say, hey, I'm sorry, my son stole a bunch of stuff and charged a bunch of money on your credit cards. Yeah. That's tough. Embarrassing. And,

you're not going to be real happy with your child at that point. But Terry did want Jimmy at home. And there's that dichotomy between two different parents and how they're choosing to deal with a situation. Right. You're going to have that a lot of times. And sometimes it can be split between, you know, the dad thinks one way, the mom thinks another. Maybe the mom's the more lenient of the two or maybe the dad is. Right. You never know. It can go either way.

But regardless, Jimmy still had a hard time being there anyway. He did. And one of the things I think he really had a hard time with is that his parents were constantly comparing him to his brother Chip. You know, Chip's doing great. Jimmy was doing great at one point and now he's not. So he thought, and maybe rightfully so, that his parents viewed him as a failure. Jimmy and Chip were close, but their relationship got a little strain too because of this comparison. Hey, T-Cat fans, getting the care you need to stay healthy shouldn't be hard or expensive. Everyone should be able to afford their medications. Check out GoodRX.

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Earl and Terry were very successful. We've already talked about that. And Jimmy was like the kind of struggling member of the family. Yeah, things weren't going the way he wanted them to go working for minimum wage, right? Yeah. And also I think the way that his parents thought they should have been going. Yeah. We gave you everything, man.

We sent you to the best schools. You did great in school. Yeah. What happened? Well, could it have been the drugs? Could be it. And why is your brother doing so well and you're not? I just think I think they thought with all the opportunities they gave him that the last thing they thought he would have to do with take a minimum wage job.

Nothing wrong with that. But it's not what they thought he should be doing. No, because he was in college going for an engineering degree and then all. of a sudden, you know, it's just like, okay, maybe, you know, I'm sure drugs played a part in that. I'm not sure if they played the entire part. But obviously the drug use and all that, you don't go to class, you get kicked out. The next thing you know, you're stealing from neighbors' houses. Yeah. Things are going downhill pretty quickly. On November 23rd, 1997, the Robertsons were getting ready for.

Thanksgiving and they had some rituals. Earl and Jimmy usually did yard work to get ready for the holiday. Terry cleaned the house and she was really big on wanting everything to look perfect for their guests because they were going to have a lot of them. You know, coming for Thanksgiving. Things were fairly normal until the next day, the 24th. That's when Earl and Jimmy got into a huge fight. And this was a very heated fight where a number of threats were made. Earl told Jimmy to pay his rent or get out. Well, if you're going to argue with me and not do what I tell you to do, then go ahead and pay my rent and you can stay.

Otherwise, get on out of here. Yeah. Yeah. I think the argument also centered greatly around Jimmy's drug use. I think that was kind of a central theme in a lot of this. and the police were called to the home that day and they found marijuana they found quite a bit of alcohol inside the house and what was apparent from all the research was that Earl was very much against any type of drug use. So I think he was very adamant that he did not want his son using drugs or he didn't want anyone under his roof at all.

Yeah, I think he was a pretty straight guy. But what this did was it caused Jimmy to kind of stew all night long, right? The anger was there and then it builds and builds. And then you think about it some more. You get more angry. And it's kind of a vicious cycle. In the early morning hours of November 25th. So this is just the next morning.

Jimmy called his girlfriend Meredith Moon. And he asked her to come over. When she got to the house, Jimmy told her he was going to kill his parents who were sleeping upstairs. And that's exactly what he did, Gibbs. He used a kitchen knife, a baseball bat, and a claw hammer to beat and stab his parents to death. Jimmy first entered the bedroom and stabbed his mother, killing her.

Then as his father Earl stepped out of the shower, Jimmy blinded him by spraying this bathroom cleaner in his eyes. And then he proceeded to crush his father's skull with the hammer and then later with the baseball bat. Brutal. Really brutal. It was also reported that he kicked the lifeless bodies of his parents multiple times just to make sure that they were dead. You can tell there was a lot of anger built up inside of him. And he really did just let it out. In the worst way possible, right? There's a lot of ways to let your anger out. Some people go on a long run. Some people work out. Some people cross-stitch. I don't know. You name it. Some people play games on their phone. What most people

don't do is murder their parents. No. Sadly, we've covered a few of them. Yeah. And they're always scary to me. Now, the following information comes from Meredith's statement to a detective after she was arrested on November 25th. She said, Jimmy called and said they were going to Philadelphia. Meredith arrived at his home around 3 a.m. And she said Jimmy was agitated. He crushed up a bunch of riddlin pills and then snorted it like it was cocaine. In total, Jimmy ingested about 10 times the normal dosage of riddlin. So I think we have to talk about it. So I think we have to talk about it. this Gibbs because it's come up more than once. Not only are you taking 10 times the dosage, but because you're crushing it up and snorting it, it's entering the bloodstream much,

much quicker. Yeah, pretty rapidly. Right. I mean, I assume Ritalin is is a pill that is designed to be released. I don't know if you would call it extended release, but it's, designed to work over a period of time. Yeah, some type of time release. Just like some of the, the opioids and things that we've talked about. Yeah. But what people are doing is they're crushing them up. They're snorting them.

And then it's like you get it all at once. And it's just unbelievable rush that leads to or can lead to some really bad things. Jimmy told Meredith that he was angry at his parents. He told her about the argument. that he and his father had gotten into. He also told her that his father wanted to invest Jimmy's inheritance in a golf course. And Jimmy was angry about that. And the fact that Earl was essentially cutting him off, right? He was done giving him the financial support that he was used to. So here you have Jimmy. He's high. He's extremely agitated. And,

I think he viewed all of this as kind of the final straw. You know, I've put up with this. I've put up with that. I'm not happy with the things that you're doing. I can't take it anymore. Now, I'm putting words into his mouth, but this is what I'm assuming he was feeling or,

or thinking at the time. At 5 a.m., Earl's alarm went off. And Meredith said that they heard the shower turn on. and she added that Jimmy put socks on his hands, picked up a knife and a hammer, and then went upstairs to kill his mother. And she described to detectives Gibbs horrible screaming and yelling that she heard, why Jimmy?

Why are you doing this? And she told detectives that she was so scared. She covered her ears and began saying la la la la la la like over and over. to drown it out to try to drown it out and then eventually terry screams cut off earl came out into the hallway from the shower and that's when jimmy attacked him he sprayed him with tylex a bathroom cleaner yeah i think he's got bleach in it or something yeah which is is not going to be good on the eyes it it blinded him then he beat his dad to death and meredith described it as this pounding like a sack of potatoes falling on the floor.

And she said she had to cover her ears again. Jimmy eventually came back downstairs. But they heard a noise and Jimmy realized that his dad wasn't dead. That's when he grabbed the bat, went back up and he beat his father until he died. So, I mean, I think there's a couple of really brutal things here. Obviously, the murdering of your parents.

That's that's brutal in the way that it happened. I also think about a mother seeing her son. She gave birth to. She nurtured. She loved. She fought for him. Fought for him to stay in the house. Coming at her with a knife and screaming, why, Jimmy?

Why are you doing this? As he's starting to bring the knife down and, and stab her to death. Obviously scary. I mean, I think that goes without saying. To me, what, what I was thinking was in that moment to know that this person that you brought into this world is about ready to turn on you and kill you. I just can't imagine.

After all, this took place. Jimmy changed clothes. He put the murder weapons and clothes in a bag. He took a shower. He wrote a note. Then he broke a window and he got ready to leave. When it was all over, Meredith said that Jimmy told her his brother would be proud of them for what they did. So essentially, you know, he breaks this window.

He's writing the note. He's staging the scene. Yeah, making it look like a break in. Yes. To make this murder look like a break in. And then the two of them. left and fled to Philadelphia to meet Chip. Chip was in Philadelphia. That's where he attended the University of Pennsylvania. It was later that morning that police received a phone call from

Earl's administrative assistant who said he was late for an appointment. And I guess she was so concerned, Gibbs, that she called police because, and we've talked about this before, people who are are extremely punctual, especially business owners or, you know, high ranking members of a company and they know they have an important appointment or they're just there at this time every day. Right. They don't show up and they don't call. And that is so out of the norm for those people that it's almost like immediately someone is worried. Yeah, especially when you know Earl was so steady and dependable.

Sure. Now, if it was you and you didn't show up, I would be like, yeah, that's just Gibby. I'm sure not picking up the phone to call police. I might try to call you. Well, you would call me for sure. Yeah, and say where the hell are you at? But Debbie Brisson was also worried when her co-worker Terry didn't show up for a meeting. Terry was supposed to pick up a cake for Thanksgiving.

then head into work, Debbie thought, well, maybe she overslept. So Debbie went to her house at 10 a.m. She knocked. There was no response. She walked to the back of the house and saw that the door was open and the window was broken. She went inside and called out for Terry. It was on her way to the master bedroom that Debbie tripped over Earl's body. and she ran into the bedroom because she knew there was a phone there,

and that's when she found Terry's body. So you got to think about this scene, right? You're a friend who is in a friend's house. You're just thinking, okay, I'm going to find them asleep and say, hey, wake up, you're late, let's get going. No, you find two dead bodies. So Debbie was terrified. She tried to run out of the home,

but she couldn't get out because the day. deadbolt was stuck. Luckily at that moment, the police arrived. And apparently gives Debbie was hysterical. She was crying. She kept screaming over and over. They're dead. They're dead. So an officer put her in his patrol car and waited for backup. Once the police entered the home, they immediately found blood on the walls, floors, the doors. It was even on the ceiling. This was a horrifying crime scene. This was a horrifying crime scene. No doubt about it. Terry's throat was cut and Earl's skull was crushed. Earl was lying face down. Clubbed to death with a blunt object. He had a towel on his waist, which I think indicated to police, either he had just recently got out of the shower or he was about ready to take a shower. Right.

His head injuries appeared as though they had come from the claw end of a hammer. And they were so bad that brain matter was coming out of his skull yeah tough tough scene to think about and i think that's where you get the police saying or detective saying that this was one of the most brutal if not the most brutal crime scenes that they ever encountered earl had a linear two inch cylindrical mark on his back terry was lying next to the bed partially under the blanket wedged between the bed and the wall Her skull was fractured. Her face, arms, neck, and back were slashed and stabbed. One wound went from her wrist to her elbow.

And it was so bad that the bone was exposed. So you're talking about a fairly deep cut. Yeah. Very forceful stabs. Rage. Another cut went from her ear to her chin. The knife blade actually broke from the force of. the attack. Like he said, rage. And again, at least one detective described it as the worst crime

scene they'd ever seen. Be hard to get out of your head. Seeing something like that. Yeah, because, okay, this is your job as a police officer. But at the end of the day, you have to go home and eat with your family. Yeah. And how do you reconcile all that? How do you, how do you turn into husband dad mode and just kind of leave it? there. It's not like the job that you have now, the job that I had. No. Where, okay, let's crunch some numbers. We got a couple of calls today. We're doing this. We're doing that. Well, it's time to go home. I go home and eat with my family.

Yeah. And we'll watch TV or do whatever. I didn't see dead bodies. Right. I wasn't in a situation where it was so tense. I thought I was going to have to draw my gun or there. There was about ready to be a gun battle. Right. You know, you really have to wonder how some of these people turn it on and off, or I guess turn it off. How do they shut it down and leave it there? I don't know if they can.

Because I had no problem leaving my stuff at the office. Yeah. But this is a different sort of gig. Yeah, I don't think they can leave it sometimes. Also, one of those people that go in and do the crime scene cleanup. It's got to take a special type of person to do that as well. I would say so, too. Yeah.

I would say so. So the first piece of evidence that police found was Earl's empty wallet laying on the floor. They called the credit card companies to look for activities on his accounts. And it took a while to calm Debbie down because she had been the one to initially discover them, but she was finally able to calm down and talk to police. She told them that Jimmy had recently moved back in. and that she wasn't sure if Chip was home or not. And I think police weren't sure at this point, right?

Exactly what was going on. Were Jimmy and Chip victims? Were they possible suspects? They didn't know. Then police found a note left by Jimmy. And it read mom and dad, gone to get Chip in his car. Sorry, but he needs me right now.

Love Jimmy. So detectives called the Philadelphia Police Department to try to get them to locate Chip, right? Kind of check on him, see if he's okay, is even at the university. But if we go back to the home, Gibbs, there were thousands of dollars worth of items in the home, probably tens of thousands of dollars. This is a pretty wealthy family. So Robert's a dream. Yeah. Yeah.

If for somebody that is going to commit burglary, it's probably going to be pretty lucrative. But there was nothing out of place. And I think very quickly police determined that the broken glass from the window, it was on the outside, which indicates that it was broken from the inside. So, okay, most burglars don't do that. you're breaking a window to try to gain access, which means you're having to break it from the outside. Police would expect to find the glass on the inside of the home. That's not what they had here. So very quickly, you know, they're ruling out robbery as a motive for the murders, but at the same

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balance and transfer limits apply investigators tim hayer and ralph my from the York County Sheriff's Office led the case. They called Earl's mother, who was supposed to come for Thanksgiving. She told them that Jimmy was supposed to be picking her up any minute. And I think this was important because detectives knew within the first hour that Jimmy was their prime suspect. And it really started when they traced an unknown blue Honda that was seen parked outside the house to, a guy named Douglas Mooh, who turned out to be Meredith's father. Douglas told the police that at 3 a.m., Meredith used the car to take her best friend

Aaron Savage to the hospital. Apparently, Aaron had this really bad cut on her finger. Douglas said that he and Meredith were originally from Georgia and they moved to Rock Hill in 1992. She was a senior at Northwestern. In 1996, she was, she worked a few part-time jobs but was currently unemployed. Here's the kicker Gibbs. He had no idea who Jimmy Robertson was and told the police, I've never even seen this kid. So, you know,

here's a dad who was not aware that his daughter was dating anyone, had no clue who Jimmy Robertson was at all. Right. So then he became extremely worried. I bet. because now his child was missing. And it turned out that there was no record of Meredith or Aaron ever going to the hospital. The detectives reached out to Aaron.

She told them that Meredith was really going to Jimmy's house and had asked her to cover for her. She didn't know the reason why. And a lot of us have been there, right? A good friend says, hey, if so-and-so asks, can you tell them that I was doing this? You just asked me that the other day. I did. Yeah. I just said a lot of us have been in that situation.

Now, it's usually not for something nefarious. It's just that you don't want someone to feel bad or we're not talking about cheating on spouses or anything like that. And we're sure as hell not talking about killing people, murder. But most people have been asked that by a friend at one time or another. And I think, you know, like Aaron, she probably didn't think it was anything at all other. other than the fact that Meredith wanted to go see Jimmy and maybe she didn't want her dad to know about it. That afternoon, the South Carolina police finally got word that the Philadelphia police had located Chip. They had to break the news to him that his parents were dead.

But it was noted that he didn't seem all that upset. He wasn't all that broken up about getting the news. We've had many conversations about that. Yeah. I mean, that's pretty telling you would think to a detective or, you know, a police officer. That that's news that you've probably had to deliver before. You know how most people are going to react, especially to hearing that their parents have been murdered. So when you see someone who's not upset by news like that, what do you thinking?

Right? Something's not right here. Yeah. I don't know what it is, but it's not right. We need to be talking to that guy face to face. And they probably even got more curious when phone records showed that Jimmy called Chip in the early morning hours of the 25th around 3 a.m. Now, Chip said that Jimmy called him and spoke to him about coming to pick him up in Philadelphia. But Chip was evasive with police.

He really did not want to talk to them, give them any information. But I think police were pretty smart about it, right? they didn't let Chip know that they were looking for Jimmy. What they did is they had Philadelphia campus police and Philadelphia PD set up surveillance outside of Chip's apartment. At the same time, detective spoke to neighbors, and they found out that at 8 a.m.,

a neighbor named Wayne Langley, saw Jimmy and a young girl that he didn't know. walking to a car. Jimmy turned around and called out for Wayne to come talk to him, but Wayne said he couldn't because he had to go to work. He said that Jimmy seemed very happy. So I think that tells you a lot right there. If this is after he's killed his parents and he's upbeat and happy, man.

I'm thinking for Wayne, it's probably good you didn't go over and talk to him anyway. No one in his state of mind. Yeah. Who knows what would have happened to you. the bank finally called police and said that Earl's card was used near Rock Hill. It turned out that Jimmy used Earl's credit card at a store just outside of town, again in Virginia,

and then again in Maryland. And they found him on surveillance footage each time. Jimmy also dumped evidence along the way, including the bat and his bloody clothes. He arrived at Chip's apartment. after dark. But Philadelphia police were waiting on him, right? All this happened very quickly. They were waiting for Jimmy, Meredith, and Chip, and they were arrested that night. I think Chip was a little shocked at being arrested. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, he told police that he loved

his parents. They were extremely close. They were the best thing in the whole world. Police interrogated him for hours, but he left the police station the next day. Detective Misley got on a plane to go to Philadelphia to interrogate Jimmy. During the interrogation, Jimmy seemed pretty relaxed. It was described as him being nonchalant. Okay. Whether or not you killed your parents, if police are interrogating you about your parents' murder, I don't know that nonchalant is going to be.

the vibe that I'm giving off. No, I mean, if you're not showing any emotion about being arrested or even about your parents' death, that's not good. No, it's really sending a signal to detectives that, again, something's not adding up here. These people are not acting in a way that we would expect them to act or behave. Meredith was held for two days and questioned, and detectives told her it was best to just be on. honest. And Meredith said she got a call from Jimmy. He said that they were going to Philadelphia. Now, initially, Meredith locked. She said she was in the car at the time Jimmy murdered his parents.

But then she changed her story and told the police that she was inside the house when it happened. She did finally tell the truth and reveal all the details of what Jimmy did. And the next day, she even help them find the murder weapons and the bloody clothing and all of the items that, you know, Jimmy had kind of dumped along the way on the road trip. Yeah. A lot of it was in a dumpster on Interstate 95 in Maryland. Isn't it funny how they act when they tell this story to the police, right? First they're going to deny.

Then they add a little bit more. It's like when you talk to your kids and your kids realize they've got them caught. And they try to work their way out of it. Yeah, and they tell you a little bit more and a little bit more. And before it's all done, they're crying and telling you the whole story. And you're like, why don't you just tell me from the get-go? Yeah, I think, you know, they probably rehearsed the stories that they were going to tell. But you have a pretty young girl.

I think Meredith Moon was like 18 years old. Being interrogated by police, you know, how many 18-year-olds can stand up to a very intense police interrogation? probably not many. You're scared. You know something really bad has happened and you know you're in trouble. Yeah. Meredith was ultimately charged with two counts of murder, robbery and credit card fraud in exchange for her testimony. She pleaded guilty to two counts of accessory to murder after the fact and armed robbery. She was sentenced to 20 years in prison and was eligible for parole after seven and a half years. In court, she said, I just made a bad mistake.

And you will never realize how truly sorry I am. It had to be a difficult situation for her to hear everything going on. But should she have picked up the phone and called police? Should she got up and left the house? And went straight to the police. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think the fact that you're there, right?

at the very least they're going to charge you with being an accessory. Most of, they charged her with murder. Right. Because she was there. But because she agreed to testify against Jimmy, they dropped it down, but still 20 years in prison.

No joke. No, not at all. And she didn't kill anyone. I mean, how many cases have we talked about where people have murdered multiple times, been caught, murdered again,

and even on the second. and third time they don't get 20 years. Yeah, received less than that. Yeah. Yeah, I know. You know, it's such a head scratcher at some of these sentences. I'm not saying she shouldn't have gotten 20 years. I'm fine with that. What rubs me the wrong way is the one year, two year, you're out in six months or whatever, and you murdered someone. I just don't get it. The inconsistencies across the board. They're tough. They're tough. They're tough to reconcile. On November 27th, 1997, Jimmy was charged with murder. His trial didn't begin until

1999. And Jimmy's defense did their best to save him from the death penalty. That's what the prosecution was going for. They argued that he and his mother both had manic depression, now called bipolar disorder. They also argued that Jimmy's frontal lobes, were abnormal. They told the jury that his abuse of Ritalin made him psychotic. And we talked about it, right? There, there were a number of reports that said he had crushed up and snorted 10 times the normal dose of Ritalin. The prosecution had a lot of very strong evidence against him. Number one, you've got the credit card trail. You've got the surveillance footage. Yeah. I think first and foremost, you have Meredith.

Oh, that's the big time. Yeah, as your key witness who is saying, Jimmy told me he was going to kill his parents. He did kill his parents. I heard it. And then we fled and dumped all the stuff, all of that. Strong testimony. I don't know that there was really an argument against the fact that he killed his parents. I think what they were trying to do, his defense team was say, well, you can't.

can't put him to death because of these circumstances. The jury, however, was not convinced by the defense's arguments, especially their arguments about Jimmy's mental health. So on March 26th, Jimmy was found guilty of first degree double homicide. On June 7th of that year, he was sentenced to death. And apparently he covered his ears as the judge read out his sentence. Well, you couldn't hear that, but he had to let Meredith hear him kill his parents upstairs. You think he thought as long as he covered his ears, then it couldn't be, it really couldn't be true. Yeah. If he couldn't hear it.

Maybe he said, la, la, la, la, la. Maybe he did. Jimmy has made a number of appeals, and he filed several lawsuits. In 2000, Jimmy said in court that he didn't want to appeal his death sins because being in prison for 60 years is worse than death. He was set to be executed in 2005, but just a few days before his execution, he filed an appeal for post-conviction relief blaming his trial lawyers. His execution was rescheduled to 2010, but then he filed a federal lawsuit claiming

he was wrongfully convicted. So, you know, I find this interesting. We hear it, you know, sometimes where people say, I'd rather be put to death. I don't want to spend, you know, the rest of my life sitting in prison. Now, a lot of times they say that early on. Right. And then as the execution gets closer, the next thing you know, they're filing appeals,

they're doing everything they can do because I think it sets in. Yeah. And I also think, you know, while they're waiting for the trial or happening, they're in county jail. It's a little bit different than prison. And I think once they get over to prison, depending on how things go, maybe they get a more relaxed and get into the swing of the prison life versus what they thought it was going to be like.

It could go bad too. Sure. I mean, it's never good. I'm just saying maybe they had it build up in his head. It was going to be so much worse. His lawsuit was denied in 2011. But in 2016, the South Carolina Supreme Court ruled that the post-conviction relief case was improper because Jimmy's lawyer didn't have enough hours of continued course.

credit. The court ruled that his lawyer did not have the right post-conviction relief death penalty experience. So another federal court lawsuit was filed arguing that he had been held illegally in prison. That appeal was also rejected. He filed a new appeal, got some new lawyers. His new lawyers argued that he deserved to retrial because his 1999 lawyers were inadequate. You see that in almost every death penalty appeal. Of course, yeah. Right. Ineffective assistance of counsel happens all the time.

It's kind of a go-to. They also argued that there were mistakes made that warranted a new trial. They said his original lawyers did not introduce mental health histories of Jimmy and of his mother. They argued that Jimmy had longstanding, severe, and improperly treated mental health issues. They also said that his original lawyers improperly inflamed the jury. His new lawyers planned to bring in experts on bipolar disorder and parricide for his appeal. Now, prosecutors fired back that Jimmy was tested multiple times for mental competency and that he didn't deserve a retrial. Tommy Pope, who was the lead prosecutor at his original trial,

told the Herald, Jimmy Robertson sealed his own faith when he bragged in great detail of how he brutally murdered his parents. A jury of York County citizens heard every detail and found Jimmy guilty beyond a reasonable doubt and sentenced him to death. His attorneys at trial did everything legally possible to protect his rights. Mr. Robertson should look in the mirror, not blame his attorneys when he finds himself facing the death penalty for the death of his parents. Okay. I get that. Yeah.

I'm down with that. But it's not going to stop someone who decides they don't want to die. It's not going to stop their attorneys from doing anything and everything they can do to either try to get the death penalty overturned or get a new trial, a new sentencing, whatever, whatever they can get, they're going to try to get it. In April of 2019, Jimmy attended an appeal hearing in the very same courtroom where he was sentenced to death. The hearing actually never took place.

He was in the courtroom for less than one minute. Because he's a little spoiled. Well, apparently he didn't want to have his shackles on, but the Department of Corrections required him to be shackled. And so in response to this, he said, out of here and he was led back to his holding cell. And I actually found this video on YouTube. It didn't have great sound, but you can see them kind of talking back and forth about this issue of the shackles. And it's very quick. It is less than a minute long. And he basically

walks back to the door and they cuff him and they go. Yeah. His next scheduled hearing was postponed because of a conflict of interest with his new attorneys, they confirmed that a former peer of theirs worked on the Robertson's defense in 1999. Oh, that's a conflict. Yep. So they thought that they would no longer be able to represent him because, obviously, everyone was arguing that his 1999 team was inadequate. The judge agreed that he needed a new lawyer, but there's a There's no date set for when his case will be heard. And this is something that you and I go back and forth on all the time. Now, does it matter how long it takes for all this stuff to happen?

Not really. He's sitting on death row. Now, it might matter if he gets a scheduled execution date. Yeah. But man, it just seems like everything takes so long. And I wonder sometimes if it's just the attorneys knowing that we can file this. We can do that. This will get us another four years.

This will probably get us another two, three years here. Yeah, I think, I think you're right on the money about that. There's a lot of legal wrangling that I think that goes on. And attorneys are smart. They know the system. They know that if this happens, it's going to cause another one, two year delay. I think that does come up. In total, Jimmy has served 20 years on South Carolina's death row.

He's currently incarcerated at Broad River Correctional Facility. One of the things that I found extremely fascinating, Gibbs, is that apparently Jimmy got a cell phone snuck into him in prison and he used it to go on some dating websites. This sounds like something you would do if you found yourself in prison. Hey now. Well, it does. Just don't ask me where I keep that cell phone. He's also constantly made attempts to get attention.

He sent the prosecutor holiday cards every year, sends flowers to his parents' church, and is always trying to get on TV. And we've already talked about the fact that he's had, you know, different attorneys, but he's had a lot. Almost a dozen. Yeah. Since 1997, he's had 11 different lawyers. Meredith Moon served more than 10 years in prison. for being an accomplice to the murders. She was released in 2010.

Since then, she's gotten married and basically tried to start her life over. She's like, man, just put that behind me. I'm sorry it happened. And,

you know, it happened when I was 18 years old. And again, she did something wrong. She didn't kill anybody, but she definitely could have walked away. She could have made a phone call. There are some things that she could have done.

No doubt about it. about that. Chip became the sole beneficiary of his parents' estate. He was never charged with anything having to do with the murder of his parents. Testimony from Jimmy's trial revealed that Jimmy called Chip before he called Meredith. But it has never come out exactly what was said on that phone call. Now, you have to wonder, because the timing of it is very strange. It is strange. Some people have argued that Chip also wanted his parents dead and may have conspired with his brother. Now, Chip has had his own issues. He went to jail in 1999 on drug charges, but has since been released. He left South Carolina after his time in prison. He wrote to the Herald in 2005,

saying that South Carolina should be embarrassed if his brother ever gets a reprie from his death sentence. So I think that tells you right there what he thinks about his brother Jimmy. Yeah. And the fact that he's not happy about what he did. Now, was he involved? I have no idea. We don't have any evidence. And obviously the police don't have any evidence to prove that he was. There's been some other strange things in this case. You know, the person who was in charge of the money, the Robertson's money, he later spent three years in prison for fraud for stealing from his client. Agreed, man. Yeah, we see it all the time. And I kind of touched on this up front, but according to the Rock Hill Herald, the Robertson case got so much attention because a rich white kid of privilege

who claims to have been disciplined to the point of abuse, despite the fact that his parents showered him with money, killed his parents in an attempt to get more than $2 million in cash and insurance. This was is and always will be big news. So you and I often talk about why do some cases get a lot of attention? Why do some get very little? Yeah. This is the type of case that people tend to find fascinating. They tend to gravitate towards. And the media is going to cover it because they know people want to hear that kind of stuff. Yeah, people want all the details. And they want to know why.

Why did this kid who seemingly had everything? Right. Decided that he needed to kill his parents. South Carolina is going through a number of legal issues with their death row inmates right now. As of this year, there have been two death row inmates who have been required to choose between a firing squad and a 109-year-old electric chair for their execution. Dang, man, I don't know. I keep thinking of that movie with Tom Hanks and that.

Green mom? Yeah, how messed up that was with that electric chair. Firing squad can't be too great either, though. I don't know. I don't make sure I got the guy with the good aim. But, you know, these people didn't want to choose, so they decided to sue the state. The problem that South Carolina is having is that they're not able to complete lethal injections because they can't get the pharmaceutical companies to sell them the chemicals.

I guess in South Carolina there's there's no shield law to protect the company's identity so they don't want to sell the drugs to the state. I mean before this the option was lethal injection or the chair. So inmates always chose lethal injection because that they knew that was going to delay their executions. But apparently lawmakers are working on solving the issue of putting a firing squad together. When Jimmy's latest appeal has decided, his death sentence will most likely be upheld. But who knows? What the state of South Carolina's executions will be? Or if he has to choose, what's he going to choose?

Oh, no, man. Firing squad, electric chair. I have to go with the firing squad. I'd go none of the above. Well, I would go for that too if that was an option. Yeah, that's not going to be an option. So I think gives as we wrap up this case, you and I often talk about the death penalty from really the moral side of things, right?

People are opposed to the death penalty. People are okay with it. But, you know, there's also the other side to look at that really doesn't have as much to do with morality. it's the fact that it's expensive for taxpayers. You have the years and years of legal battles that are exhausting for everyone involved, including the victims and their families. There's no doubt it's much more difficult to execute someone that it is to give them a life sentence.

Yeah, I agree. But on the flip side of that, you know, you have people and you have victims families who want these individuals who have taken their family members lives to pay the ultimate price. Absolutely. And so we keep going back and forth. We wrestle. States wrestle with it. Lawmakers wrestle with it. People wrestle with this kind of back and forth between death penalty, no death penalty on a number of different levels. The morality of it, the legality of it, the cost of it. and all of this stuff. By the way, it's Rassel.

Yeah, it is Rassel. Sorry. It's one of the, you know. I'm sorry for the way I said it. But that's it for our episode on Jimmy Robertson. Again, you know, I'm always blown away by these. I just don't understand how a person can want to end the lives of their parents. Now, could you make an argument in some of the case?

where people have been abused to such a horrific degree? Because we've talked about killers like that. Absolutely. Could they have, could they want to see their parents dead? Yeah. I think they could. I'm not saying it's right.

But here's a, here's a guy who was given everything. Like you said, had every advantage. Yeah. To succeed in life. And his mom absolutely loved him. And he kind of pete it down his leg.

Yep. And then, When he did, he got mad at his parents because they weren't going to put up with it. Right. They weren't going to keep giving him everything while he did nothing. And he didn't like that. So he decided to do what he did. Yeah, because I'm going to get my hands on $2 million.

Yeah. And then I'll be okay. Then I can do whatever I want, right? I can do all the drugs I want. Yeah. I don't have to work at the restaurant making minimum wage. All I have to do is in the lives of the people. who cared for me and brought me into this world.

That's all I have to do. Was it like it now? Probably not too well. But we've got some voicemails. You want to check those out? I was here. Okay, I'm going to try this one more time. Hey, Fergie and Gibson.

Gimby, this is Amy Gibson from Somerville, South Carolina. I worked third shift, so I figured I would take advantage of that and be one of the first to call and wish Berge a very happy birthday and hope that you have an awesome day. I'm a long time listener, but I've only been a Patreon supporter for several months. And I'm really hoping to be able to increase my sport in the near future as, you know, your podcast is truly a worthy investment. I really want to be able to hear my name pick from the vault someday. So keep doing what you both do so well.

I love listening to you guys. So have a great day. Bye. Well, we sure appreciate that. We definitely appreciate the support on Patreon. That means a lot to us. and the fact that she said we're a worthy investment, Gibbs. I don't know anybody's ever called us that.

I've never been called worthy of anything. Well, actually, she said the show, but by extension, she's saying we are. See? I told you I'd mouth to something someday. Mom, dad, I told you. Yeah. No, we appreciate it very much. Hey, Mike and Gibby.

This is Heather. I'm over here in Kansas. I just wanted to call and let y'all know that, uh, listening to you guys has really helped me through the last probably year and a half started listening to you guys. It's funny because the first episode you introduced Gibby, which my husband's nickname is Gippie, because our last name is Gibson with a P. So I continued listening to you.

But listening to you guys helped me through his whole deployment last year. I'm 10 months sober now. and listening to this podcast has really been a great distraction. And it's helped me a lot. And I just wanted to thank you all for that. And keep up doing what you're doing. I love listening to you guys. You're hilarious.

And stay safe and keep your own time ticking. Bye. Wow, such a good voicemail. And congratulations on the 10 months of sobriety. That is huge. And we're just really proud. of you. I know you're saying good things about us. We're proud of you. All right. Keep it up. Well, that didn't sound like either Mike or Gibby, but this is Sydney in Indiana.

I just wanted to call and say that I'm a little upset today because it's raining, pouring down rain here in Indiana, and I deliver mail. So I can't really carry my phone on me. I don't want it to get damaged. But I just wanted to say that I completely enjoy listening to your podcast, literally all day while I'm out here delivering mail. and I don't deliver in the best part of this area, so I'm constantly looking over my shoulders, I'm listening to the broadcast because you just never know. But, yeah, I just wanted to call and say that I've been listening for a good while, listen to all of the unsolved episodes, and I'm trying to get caught up on the true crime all the time.

So, yeah, this is so cringy. But I just wanted to call and leave a voice in a little since I never have, and I just wanted to say, Thanks for taking your time to do everything you do And keep your own time picking Bye I didn't think it was cringy at all No

Now I think what she was talking about in the beginning Is whatever the voicemail says Or whatever it says when it's telling you to leave a voicemail Yeah I don't know if I recorded that I don't know what I It's been four or five years since I did it Probably some Or it could just be a computer

Or an automated thing I don't remember That's cool And she does the mail like you did for a short period Yeah I love that job, man. And I think I would love it even more now being able to listen to Pai. I just had to listen to music back in the day. Yeah, with your little, uh, disc man, walkman or whatever we have.

Hi, Mike and Gibby. My name is Inica and I'm calling from Adelaide, which is in South Australia. Long time listener to your podcast and I just want to let you know how much I enjoy it. I listen to it on the way to work, on the way home from work, before I fall asleep at night. Mike, I love the references you make to your one. wife, a teacher because I'm a teacher too. I always have a little giggle because some of the things you say really relate to me. I teach psychology and I teach criminal psychology. So it's really interesting for me when I listen to your podcast to do a mini analysis on the psychology of the

criminal and why they're thinking, feeling and behaving the way that they do. I love the banter between you guys. Yours is the first true crime podcast that I ever listened to and it really got me sucked in and now I subscribe to a range of others, but yours is the first and the best. So howdy from down under and keep your own time taken? Well, that's awesome. Yeah. And we're honorary. Honorary.

Honorary? Honorary. Honorary. Honorary members of the South Australia Police Department, because we have patches to prove it. Yeah. I don't think we're honorary anything if you can't say it. They're going to take our whatever. They're going to take it away from us.

We had some mailbag Gibbs. Cheryl Reed sent us the serial killer cookbook. This is super cool. This is like recipes based on what infamous killers selected as their last meal. Yeah. Pretty interesting stuff. She also sent some licorice for you and some jerky for me. Thank you.

And then our good friend Lottie sent us in both birthday gifts. a bunch of licorice from you and some Albanese gummy bears, not the sugar-free ones. Oh, I was hoping they're sugar-free ones for you. And some smoke sausage for me. So she knows this very well. Thank you. So we appreciate all of that. All right, buddy, that is it for another episode of true crime all the time.

So for Mike and Gabi, stay safe and keep your own time ticking.