True Crime All The Time - Keith Hunter Jesperson

Episode Date: June 11, 2018

Keith Hunter Jesperson is an American serial killer who was born in Canada. He murdered at least 8 women during the 1990s while working as a long-haul trucker. He selected victims that had no connection to him as he was driving across the country. But his last victim would be someone that he knew and that would ultimately lead to his capture.Join Mike and Gibby as they discuss the crimes of the Jesperson, a huge and powerful man who preyed on vulnerable women. He used his vocation as a trucker to travel the country and find his victims. He strangled his victims with his large hands and went to great lengths in some cases to prevent police from learning their identities.You can help support the show by going to patreon.com/truecrimeallthetimeVisit the show's website at truecrimeallthetime.com for contact, donation, and merchandise informationHelp support our sponsors:Quip- Go to getquip.com/tcatt to get your first refill order free with the purchase of an electric toothbrushHims - Go to forhims.com/tcatt to get a trial month for just $5See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

and welcome to episode 82 of the True Crime All the Time podcast. I'm Mike Ferguson and with me as always is my partner in True Crime, Mike Gibson, give me what is going on? What's happening, man? I'm doing good. Yeah. I am doing real good. Getting ready for another episode of TCAT.

Yeah. Always have fun recording. Always. Now the research is tough. Yeah. It's always, uh, it's kind of like playing basketball. or football or any sport, remember back in high school, practice not so much fun, but game time, that was always a lot of fun.

Yeah, absolutely it was fun. That's kind of how this is, right? The research and all that is leading up to the fun part. So it's game time. It's game time. Game time. Let's start out with some new Patreon supporters. Okay.

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Love it. And don't forget about true crime all the time. unsolved. Right now there's an episode out on that we're calling the Polaroid picture. And this is somewhat of a famous true crime Polaroid picture, Gibbs. It is. It shows two young people, a girl and a boy with their mouths duct taped shut. And the mystery, you know, it starts from from there. All right. Give me my man. Are you ready to. get into this episode of true crime all the time? Yeah, let's do it. We are talking about Keith Hunter Jesperson, who as a long-haul trucker, murdered at least eight from the years 1990 to 1995.

He was born in Canada, but he moved to and he committed his murders in the U.S. And Jesperson gets labeled as the happy face killer. And we'll get into this in much more deep. detail, but it's because he signed his letters with a smiley face, but not to be confused with the smiley face killer or killers. Yeah, I was going to ask you if, you know, maybe some people might get that confused. I think you could. I think you could get it confused. The, you know, the smiley face killer or killers. They, you know, that's an unsolved case. We'll probably do that on true come all time unsolved at some point. They don't know how many people are involved in that. But Jaspersen is. the happy face killer, even though technically he signed his letters with a smiley face.

And you know Gibbs, I've always been fascinated by the long haul trucker type of killer. You know, traveling from city to city in a way that most killers can't do or don't have the ability to do or, you know, it's not that easy for them. We've covered some. We did Wayne Adam Ford, but there are a lot of there is man long haul trucker serial killers we also just happen to have a lot of

trucker fans listeners that are truckers so I've just always thought that this would be an extremely easy way to be a serial killer yeah I think it gives you the I mean there's a lot of flexibility

there's a lot of accessibility number one you have a reason to be where you're at, where you're at, somewhere away from home. You've got a consistent or not a consistent, a constant alibi in a sense. And if you're picking victims that you don't know, which is most likely because you're in places that you don't live, much harder to track. Now, I don't know if that holds true today. And I would love for some of our fans that, you know, drive the big rigs to call in and let me know. I think there is a lot more technology involved that some of the carriers can pinpoint where their drivers are at all times.

And if they haven't made it a certain distance, they know if they've been driving too long without sleeping. They know I think it's a lot different than it was back in the way. Oh, it has to be. I mean, I know when I left UPS in the early 90s, they were tracking those with GPS. Already in the 90s, yeah. Yeah, so I can't even imagine, you know, how much better it got over the years. So, but those were GPS in our, in our little. In your short shorts?

Did they put GPS in your brown short shorts? There's a different GPS. All right. So let's get into Jesperson's upbringing and background. You know this is where we like to start. Keith Hunter Jesperson was born in Chiliwack, British Columbia. Chiliwack. Yeah, I never heard of Chiliwack.

Chiliwack. It's a cool name. though. Where are you from? Chilliwack. And he was born to parents less and Gladys Gersen. And this sounds very familiar Gibbs, but his father was described as an alcoholic who was extremely strict. He was controlling. He liked to put down the members of the family. Now, Keith had two brothers and two sisters. And age-wise, he was right in the middle of those four. And even though his father put down the kids, you know, it's talked about that Keith was treated

much worse than his siblings. So he didn't receive as much attention from his father as they did. But the attention that he did receive was often very harsh, very critical. He was beaten with a belt, which, you know, back in that day is not that strange. No. But a lot of times it was almost as if this was a show because it happened in front of other people. So anytime he acted up, he would be beaten. And a lot of times it was in front of whoever was there, I guess, or whatever audience they could find.

from a very early age, probably when Keith was five, six years old, it's known that he tortured and killed animals. And the things that he did at this young age were extremely brutal. You know, we've talked a lot about these serial killers harming, torturing, killing animals at at young ages. But I don't know if I've ever researched. someone that was so sadistic to animals. He would bash gopher's heads in. He would nail small animals to a board and then he would throw knives at them or he would take needles and stick them in these small animals. I mean, we're talking about some very sadistic stuff here. Now, we have heard this one before. It's brutal. But Keith Jesperson would.

tie cats' tails together. And then he would throw them over a line and they would end up, you know, clawing each other, fighting each other. And he would sit there and watch. He strangled cats and dogs. It's just really hard for me to imagine a five-year-old being that cruel to animals. But we know, right Gibbs from all of our research, this is a very bad sign. Yeah, really bad sign.

For the future, for things to come. The family would move from Canada to a trailer park in Washington State. His torturing and killing of animals would continue there. He would say years later that as a young child, he thought about what it would be like to strangle a human being, much like he had done so many times to helpless animals. And we have to talk about how big Jesperson was, is, you know, as a full-grown adult, he's going to be about 6-6-240.

It's a big boy. He was a big Beaufort. But as a kid, he was very big as well, much bigger than his other, his classmates, the other boys his age. And this caused him to be teased at school, which I know. never really thought about that. Normally you think the big kid is not going to get picked on, is not going to get teased. But he's so different from all of his classmates that, you know, they pick up on that and they use it to their advantage to tease him and pick on him. And maybe it's

just a fact, it's just anything different right at that age. You know, we talk about how kids are all time, you know. They can be extremely brutal in that way. I mean, almost masterminds in the way that they can pick out somebody's weakness and exploit it. I always felt bad for other kids in school Gibbs that had a name, like their last name rhymed with something that was a word that you didn't want your last name to rhyme with. I always felt bad for those kids. Yeah, because you knew they're going to get picked on, man. Very hard to rhyme anything with Ferguson. Ferguson, Ferguson. Don't try to come up with something, but.

And Keith's brothers, they didn't really help him out a whole lot in this area. They gave him the nickname Igor and it stuck. So you know that the other kids latched on to that. They started calling him Igor at school. And this was very rough on him. You know, he was a shy kid. He kept to himself. he didn't play much with the other kids.

He was essentially an outcast. He didn't date girls in school, never attended a dance or a prom. In fact, he would say later on that he was rejected by every girl that he ever liked. Now, by the end of this story, you are not going to feel sorry for Keith Jesperson. But you know, it's important to talk about the background, the history. How did they grow up? And for me, I'm seeing a lot of signs here. Very similar to what we see in a lot of the other cases that we do.

Now, around the age of nine or ten, he had a friend named Martin, which is significant. First of all, I don't think he had many friends. Okay. But he did have this friend named Martin, round nine or ten. Apparently, the two of them got into a lot of trouble together. But it was usually Keith who took the blame when things went wrong, including him taking the blame for a lot of things that Martin did. And I guess he received a lot of beatings from his father over this relationship that he had

with Martin because they were getting in so much trouble. But the fact that he was taking the blame for things that he didn't even do, it caused something to boil up, boil over inside of him. And one day, he beat this boy named Martin unconscious. Wow. His father had to pull him off of this kid. And Keith Jesperson would later claim that he wanted to kill Martin. And he would have if his father hadn't been there to pull him off. Now, he's nine or 10 years old. But a big kid for that age. But he's big. But that's not the only. But that's not the only attempted murder that he committed at a very young age. Because just a year or two later, he's swimming at this lake.

And there's another boy there who holds his head under the water. And I guess Jesperson blacked out. He would later say all he saw was black. But he was enraged by what had happened. And he started making plans to get back at this boy. And he found his chance. one day at the public swimming pool. And he grabbed this boy's head and held it underwater.

And the only reason that this boy survived was because the lifeguard saw what was going on, got down and pulled Keith off of this boy. Again, later on, he's going to say he had made his mind up. He was going to drown this boy. So Gibbs, by the age of 12 or so, give or take, Jasperson has come close. to killing two other kids and would have if other people had not intervened. So his father, Les had seen Keith, his son do some horrible things in his young life. He had witnessed him torturing and killing animals.

He witnessed him almost killed this boy Martin, who he considered a friend. But for some reason, Les thought it was a good idea to give Keith. a BB gun as a present. So what does a boy like Keith Jesperson do with a BB gun? Probably the same thing you did with your BB gun when you were younger. Fun stuff. Get into trouble. Yeah.

Shoot some windows out? No, he proceeded to shoot one neighbor in the genitals. Oh. He thought that was a good idea. We used to shoot our brothers. We used to shoot each other in the rear end, you know. I'm assuming these weren't high-powered BB gun. No. No, these weren't like the ones where you could put the pellet. Remember the pellet guns?

Wasn't like that. Yeah, well, pellets are a little... Yeah, you had some BB guns that could take BBs or pellets. Those are the ones you do some damage with. Yeah. I mean, some of them are more high power than others. Yeah. So not only does he, he shoots a neighbor in the genitals, it's not funny. I don't know why I just laughed there a little bit. But he also proceeded to shoot another neighbor in the ass while they were bending over picking up raspberries. This kid's not going to turn out well. In 1969, Jesperson is 14 years old. And he says that he had his first sexual experience at this time.

He would later write and describe this encounter as a rape. So by 12, he's tried to kill two kids. kids. By 14, he's essentially committed his first rape. Which is crazy for that age, any age. I mean, it's just, wow. The things he's doing at such a young age, I mean, it blows me away. Like you said, it would be horrible at any age. But he graduates from high school in 1973, same year that you did. Whatever. He also graduated 161st out of a class of 173. So just a little bit better than you did. That's hurting me.

Now, Gibby was a road scholar. I don't think people know that. He was a four-sport athlete and a road scholar. That was the dream. Meaning that he did most of his studying out on the road. Yeah. That's what I mean when I said he was a road scholar. Jesperson didn't go to college.

So he's different from you in that respect, Gibbs. You got him there. I got him. It was reported that his father said there's no way that he could handle it. So not great fatherly influence, right? Right. For Keith Jesperson. So we talked about the fact he didn't date.

He didn't, you know, go to dances. But he does get married a few years out of high school to a woman named Rose Huck. They would have three children, two daughters and a son. And it was during this time frame that he started driving a truck. This was a way that he was going to support this growing family that he has. Keith's mother died in 1985. And it was said that he apparently showed no emotion when, when this occurred. So he's married, three kids.

He's driving a truck. But the marriage starts to hit some rocky patches because his wife begins. to think that he's having affairs. So after 14 years of marriage, she wants out. Rose says no more. Rose is out of this thing. The thorn is hit. And she waits until he's out on the road in his truck, packs up everything, packs up the

kids, and heads to Spokane, Washington, moves in with her parents. Okay. She just flat out leaves him. Well, if you're going to leave and don't want confrontation, I can. guess that's how you do it. Well, probably be about the best time you could pick. So Jesperson is 35 years old at this point in time. He's all by himself. He has this idea that he's going to get a job as a Royal Canadian Mounted Policeman. So he starts to go through the training. But while he's doing that, he suffers an injury that keeps him from moving forward. So he can't fulfill this

stream that he has and he moves to Cheney, Washington, and he starts driving a truck again. Jesperson's first known victim was a woman named Tanya Bennett. And this occurred on January 23rd, 1990 near Portland, Oregon. So he meets Bennett at a bar, invites her back to his house. They are intimate. But after that happens, an argument breaks. out. And Jesperson is, you know, being rough. He's, he's, he's very demeaning. He's calling her names. Tanya's trying to fight back. She's trying to defend herself. But we talked about this guy.

6-6-240. Hard to go up against that. That's hard. That would be hard to defend yourself against, you know, that kind of size. Yes. Just, just needs to lean on you, man. Put that way to get. It's hard to, it'd be hard. He ends up beating Tanya Bennett severely and eventually grabs her by the neck and wraps a rope around it. He strangled Tanya with the rope and he would later say he sat there watching the life leave her body. And boy, we've heard that before. We have. People, for a lack of a better word, Gibbs, getting off on seeing the life extinct.

And another person, it's, it's still hard to comprehend even after, you know, all of these different cases that we've done. But that's the thing, man. That's the rush. That's the rush that they get. It is. And that rush keeps them doing it, right? You don't do things that you don't enjoy or you don't get something out of. Right. You know, these twisted people, they are, they get something out of this. Like you said, a rush, a feeling. something, something that 99 point whatever percent of us would never get. But it's reported that he punched Tanya as many as 20 times to her head and face to the point that she was unrecognizable as a massive beating. That's crazy, man.

So after he killed her, he goes back to the bar and he has a few drinks. Got to wind down. got to wind down, but he's also establishing an alibi in case he needs one. So he's making sure that he's talking with the other patrons in the bar. And after he thinks he's done that enough, he goes back, gets Tanya Bennett's body and her belongings and disposes of them. But he's not done because after he disposed of her body, he goes to a truck stop. And he sits at the truck stop and he drinks coffee.

and yet another attempt to establish an alibi. Go there, have some coffee. He wants people to see him to know that he was there. Yep. He's not going to need this alibi. But if he ever did, he was there to establish it. Yep. The next day, he's back on the road.

And then there's a student from a community college riding her bike down the highway, this north of Portland. she sees a woman lying off the side of the road. The police come, they end up doing an autopsy. And it reveals that this woman had been sexually assaulted. They identify the woman through sketches that were broadcast in the media as 23-year-old Tanya Bennett. Tanya had last been seen alive by her parents a week before her body was found.

But as tragic and brutal as this first murder was Gibbs, there's something additional that I found very disturbing. And it was said that Tanya Bennett was of a diminished mental capacity. Jesperson would later say that this fact sexually excited him. Really? Yeah, he would say this. I mean, this is the kind of guy we're dealing with here. We were drinking beer a lot that day.

Took her home. I thought I was going to get lucky. Comets were made in different things, and an altercation happened, and I struck her. I actually had hit her in the face, and for some reason I just kept on hitting her in a face, and because of that, I feared going to prison, cover up to assault. It is a matter of fact, that's what it is. And I put the body up there in a clung river gorge. I had tied a rope around its neck, mostly to...

I didn't know how the body reacted when you start moving it. So that is Keith Jesperson. Did he say around its neck instead of her neck? He did. That's interesting. I did. I picked that up too. I thought that was very odd.

But maybe not so odd as we go through this story because I don't think he thought of some of these women as people. So I don't know that his use of the word it is that. far off for him. I think that's maybe how he really felt. I think so too. So after this murder, nobody knows who Keith Jesperson is. He's not on anybody's radar, but there's a woman named Laverne Pavlern Pavlach. She's 57 years old. She reads in the newspaper about Tanya Bennett's death. And she comes up with in her mind that this would serve perfectly to end her abusive 10-year relationship with her boyfriend, 43-year-old John Sosnovsky. So this guy, John, he's already on probation for drunk driving.

Apparently he was a raging alcoholic. He was a big-time drinker. And Laverne, his girlfriend, she had a half. habit of calling the police on him. Every time they would get in a fight, she would call police and tell them that he did something that he didn't do. Just eight months before the murder, this is in the spring of 89, she called the FBI and told them that John was a bank robber.

Really? Yeah. So she's really trying to get out of this relationship. She really is. And apparently she feels like she just can't leave. She has to do something drastic, I guess. but he's not a bank robber. You know, they investigate him and they, they clear him.

But she calls police after the murder of Tanya Bennett. She tells them about Sussnowski and the fact that, you know, they get in fights. It's a rough relationship. But then she drops the bombshell. She is turning him in for the rape and murder of Tanya Bennett. And she laid out this very detailed. told story for detectives that involved John forcing her to help him rape Tanya, dispose of her and to cover up evidence of the crime. And like I said, she went into a lot of detail.

Now, she had probably gotten a lot of this detail because she was reading everything she could about the case. But she tells detectives about how the rope was placed around Tondon Anya's neck, how John strangled her. So you have to think that they were pretty intrigued by this story. But they searched the home. They didn't find anything that belonged to Tanya Bennett. What they did find was an envelope addressed to John. And on the back of this envelope was written T. Bennett dash a good piece.

So that's pretty strange. Pretty strange. Now, John denied having anything to do with killing Tanya or writing this message on the back of the envelope, but he is eventually arrested and he's charged with the murder of Tanya Bennett. But LaVern is also arrested and she's indicted for aiding him in the crime. But there were some things that you didn't fit. There were witnesses who had reported seeing Tanya at a bar the night she died, which was a pretty good distance away from where Laverne said that John picked her up. This witness went on to say that Tanya was playing pool that night with two men. But when shown a picture of John, the witness said neither of these two guys was him.

But things didn't go as Laverne Pavlach thought they would. She ends up getting convicted. She gets a minimum 10-year sentence for her role that never actually happened. And you know the minute this happened, Gibbs, she started to reverse course. She told them that, hey, I made this whole thing up. But it was too late. No one believed her at this point because she had been so convincing with her story of what John and she did to Tanya Bennett.

But while LaVern is on trial, a message is found in a men's room at a Greyhound bus terminal in Montana. And the message said, I killed Tanya Bennett January 21st, 1990 in Portland, Oregon. I beat her to death, raped her. and loved it. I'm sick, but I enjoy myself too. Two people took the blame and I'm free. So obviously we know this is Keith Jesperson. Yeah. Traveling the country, he stops in the restroom and he writes this message. A few days later, someone finds a message in a truck stop men's room in Oregon. And this message read, I killed Tanya Bennett in Portland. Two people got the blame. So, I can kill again.

So very strange, but both of these messages were signed with a happy face. So again, part of where the nickname the happy face killer comes in. Now, detectives find out about these messages, but they think that these are friends of Johns trying to make it seem as if he couldn't have done it because the killer is still out there. That was their theory at the time. And John is still saying that he didn't have anything to do with this. But when Laverne gets convicted, he gets scared.

And he ends up cutting a deal pleading no contest to felony murder and kidnapping. And I don't know, Gibbs, after you see her get found guilty, you have to believe that you're going to be found guilty as well. Yeah, I think he would have to think that he might be getting convicted. I mean, you would think the odds would be pretty favorable, especially if they work on her the right way to help out the case. Well, she could end up testifying against him. Yeah. But whatever he's thinking, you know, he gets a life sentence with parole eligibility after 15 years.

So that was his plea deal, which he thought would be better than rolling the dice and taking his chances at trial. Doesn't make sense. why would the plea deal be life in prison versus rolling the dice? I don't know. You could get life with no parole. I guess it just depends on what the term. You get death. I guess there are some worse alternatives. That's true. That's true.

Maybe it was the parole after, you know, being eligible for parole after 15 years. Yeah. Was the deal, essentially. Yeah, I guess I can see that, you know. Tough to take, though. knowing that you didn't kill this woman. Yeah, that's the thing. I mean, if you didn't do it, why?

No, we get into this argument all the time, though. How many people have confessed to crimes that we later find out they didn't do because they were in a spot where they knew they were going to be found guilty and they thought, man, I better cut a plea deal. Yep. I can't take my chances of life with no parole. Well, if you can't control the situation, which you can never control, right? You can't control who the jury would be.

You can't control all that, you know, so I think you got to lean on your attorney's advice and your gut instinct. Well, his gut was telling him, I better take this plea deal. And he does. All right, Gibbs, let's take a quick break to talk about our sponsor, KIP. And you know what I learned in talking to the folks at KIP? Most of us are brushing our teeth wrong. We're not brushing for long enough. and we don't change our brushes when we're supposed to.

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She tells Jesperson that her name is Gene and that she has a six-month-old son. During this conversation, Jesperson tells her his full name, tells her other information about himself where he worked, where he was going. And then somehow the conversation turned to sex. They drive to a remote area. And this woman starts giving Jesperson oral sex,

but stops and says that she wants to go home. She's asking him, to drive her home, he forces her to finish the act. And obviously, she's not happy about this. She's fighting him. And he gets very angry. And he tries to snap her neck. But he's unsuccessful. It doesn't work. He doesn't want to kill the child. And so he actually takes this woman and the child back to the shopping center where he picked them up and he drops them off. The problem is he gave her all these personal details, including his name. Oh, wow.

So she goes to the police. The police are able to track him down pretty easily. He's interrogated, comes up with a story about, you know, what happened to her neck and it was an accident. The car was pretty small. And I guess he was pretty convincing in this interview or in this interrogation because they let him go. But they do end up filing a sexual assault.

charge on him, but he doesn't show up to court. And because of that, a felony warrant is issued. He's later arrested in Iowa, you know, in his truck at a way station. They run his name through the database. It comes back that he has a warrant in California. But the case against him, I guess, was weak. So the charge got reduced down to a misdemeanor. And the officials in California thought the cost wasn't worth it to extraditing back. So they just dropped all the charges. So according to Jesperson, the next murder that he committed was sometime in late July, early August of 1992.

And there was an unidentified woman who was found on August 30th of that year, about 10 miles north of Blythe, California. And they would determine that she had been dead for a few weeks. They also determined that she had been raped and strangled, but they didn't know who she was. So she became a Jane Doe. And it would only be later that Jesperson would connect the dots. And he didn't even know her full name. The only thing that he would tell authorities was that her name was Claudia.

The month after that, the body of Cynthia Lynn Rose, 32 years old, was found along Highway 99. near Turlock, California. She had been dead for some time. Now, they originally listed her death as a drug overdose. There's going to be a couple of women found that they initially think died from a drug overdose. But it's about this time that Jesperson began writing letters to the media. And in particular, he wrote to this specific columnist.

at the Oregonian newspaper, which is in Portland. And he claimed responsibility for some of these murders, including Rose. And he wrote multiple letters. One letter he claimed that Rose was a sex worker that he had picked up in his truck and he murdered her. But the story that he tells is that she climbed up into his truck. He told her that he wasn't interested. He didn't want to pay for sex.

But I guess you wouldn't leave him alone. Now, take all of this with a grain of salt, right? All of this comes from Keith Jesperson. Right. But he became enraged and he choked her to death. Now, like he had done in the bathroom stalls, he signed all of these letters with a happy face. And it's really this guy at the Oregonian who was getting all these letters that came up with the name, the happy face killer. So they turn the letters over to police, but there's really nothing.

There's not much to go on to help identify who's writing these letters. His next victim was Lori Ann Pentland. She was 26 years old. Her body was found November of 1992 in Salem, Oregon, which is about 50 miles south of Portland. Her body was found out behind a store. And according to Jesperson, she was a sex worker. that tried to double the fee that they had agreed upon. He got upset.

She threatened to call the police, and he couldn't let that happen. And he strangled her. Her attitude was like her wife was all hell, and she didn't want to be around, and she wanted me to feel sorry for her. And I just, well, you know, I can kill you if you put you out of your misery. She said, go for it. So I did.

Well, I told her that, you know, if your life's all bad, God, why don't you just end it? So Jesperson talking about Lori Pentland, and again, Gibbs, you got to take everything this guy says and wonder how much of it is the truth. In other interviews, you know, other killers and, right, they have to hear themselves talk and they dress things up. But then, you know, like, some of them, like Dahmer. I think when he spoke, he was just saying, what really happened.

Matter of factly, this is what happened. Yeah, but I think he gets to. these other guys and I think they just like to run. I like to run their mouth, but you're right. They also like to dress it up. They like to put a spin on it that makes them look just a little bit better. Not that they didn't kill the person, but that they killed them because, you know, as he's saying, she didn't like her life.

She wanted to end her life. Almost like I did her a favor. That's the way it sounds. It would be more than six months later. until the next victim was found. So it's July of 1993. And this was another Jane Doe. They couldn't identify this woman.

She was found west of Santanella, California, on a state highway. And this is another victim that police originally thought had died from a drug overdose. And that would have been the end of it. But the police reopened. her case later, looked at it again, ruled it a homicide, because in one of the happy face killer letters, Jasperson mentioned that he killed a, what he called street person. And this caused them to think about this Jane Doe and they reopened the case. Now, he would later, you know, say that he did murder this person. And then it's a whole other year goes by. So now we're into September of

1994, another Jane Doe is found. But this time down in Florida, Crestview, Florida. Jesperson would later claim that her name was Suzanne and that he had strangled her. So again, at the time, right, the timeline's strange on these. We're going in order of when the victims were found. But in, like in some of the cases we do, a lot of the information doesn't come out until after the person is captured. And that's what happened in this case. Right. Later in 1994, the Orgonian newspaper received a six-page letter, same handwriting,

same smiley face as the other ones they had received. And this time, the person that wrote the letter says that he's killed six people, five in Oregon, one in California. But in the letter, he says, I feel bad. But I will not turn myself. in, I am not stupid. In a lot of opinions, I should be killed, and I feel I deserve it. My responsibility is mine, and God will be my judge when I die. I'm telling you this because I will be responsible for these crimes and no one else. It all started when I wondered what it would be like to kill someone,

and I found out what a nightmare it has been. And then at the end of this letter, Gibbs, it says, look over your shoulder, I'm closer than you think. Right. That might be a little spooky if you're the guy reading this letter. Absolutely. You ever feel like someone's behind you watching you? I don't because I usually sit with my back to a wall. Yeah.

Or something like that. You never had that feeling, though? Well, I've had the feeling before, sure. The hair stands up on your neck and you, like, somebody around? Somebody near me? I don't get that feeling. You don't ever? No.

Huh. I don't. Not the hair. like standing up on the back of my neck, that kind of. If you took a walk at nighttime, you never felt like someone was right there behind you. First of all, I don't walk at nighttime. I don't do a lot of walking, period. You don't walk at the daytime.

Given my physique. That's true. You're just naturally that way. I'm not much of a night walker. So, uh, that's good. All right. So you never, uh, seen dead people either? I've seen the movie.

I see dead people. Yeah, that's a good movie, man. But no, I've never seen, I've never seen anything that I would consider supernatural. Okay. Never. Never seen anything that I would question as anything like that. Nothing. Nothing. All right. There is that. In January of 1995, Jesperson agreed to take a young woman, Angela Surbrise, from Spokane, Washington to Indiana in his truck. She was with him for about a week on this trip. But after this week, You know, week into it, Jesperson would say that surprise became very impatient with him.

She started to nag him. She wanted to get to the final destination. And in one instance in particular, he wanted to stop at a truck stop just east of Cheyenne, Wyoming to get some sleep. She started nagging him. She didn't want to stop. She wanted to keep going. And he strangled her.

She got on his nerves and he strangled her. But he didn't do it in a way that I would think of as strangling. When you think of strangling somebody with your bare hands, I think of going around the neck, one hand on each side and squeezing. That's what I picture in my head. Jesperson takes his big old fist, which I assume he had a big fist at 6-6-240. Yeah, had to. Pressed it against her throat.

Yeah. And just pushed and held it until she died. That would work as well if you have the strength. But I've never heard of that. I've never seen that in a movie. I've never heard it describe that way. You'd have to be really strong, right, for that person not to shake out of that. And a big fist, right?

A lot of, some surface area, I would think. Yeah. Yeah, I don't have a big fist. but powerful. I always have to throw that in there. Yeah. This was a big, powerful man. We talked about it.

After he strangled Angela, he went to sleep for a few hours. And that's something in and of itself. I mean, you've just killed a person and now you're going to take a nap. Most people couldn't do that. They would be so amped up. They would be terrified at what they had just done. somebody like Keith Jesperson, he doesn't give it a second thought. This is nap time.

He could have just as easily have eaten a Big Mac and now he's going to take a nap. Yeah. I don't know that it's that much different to him. But when he wakes up, he starts to drive and he makes it into Nebraska, stops at a rest area. And this part of the story gives is almost unbelievable as if it's made up. But it's not because Jesperson takes Angel's body out of the truck, straps her to the underside of the truck underneath using nylon cord.

Okay. Face down. Okay. Not good. He says that he drove about 10 or 12 miles dragging this woman face down specifically as he says to grind off her face. and prints. Wow.

I've never heard of anything like that. No. It's like one of, it's like something off one of those bad, uh, B horror movies. Yeah. Yeah. You know, when those two guys were making fun of the truck driver, we were using a girl's voice, candy, Candyman?

The one where you say his name three times and he appears? Uh, no. That's Candyman. Is that candy man? No, this is the trucker one where the, you know, two. Jeepers creepers? is that what it is i don't know i don't know that it's just it's a it's a horror flick that the two guys uh start using the CB and they start acting like he's a girl enticing the truck driver and then

the truck trucker finds out who he is and comes after him and and uh i don't some weird stuff man to everybody within you know their lives i don't know i'm just naming off yeah horror movies that i can think of but this is something you're right this is something that you're right this is something that you would see almost in a bad flick and think, oh my gosh, that's so cheesy. That would never happen in real life. This happened in real life. I felt that by dragging her under the truck that I would destroy all evidence of who her identity was.

Now that one I believe. I think he is flat out just telling the absolute truth there. Yeah. That he dragged this woman under the truck to try. to ensure that nobody could ever figure out who she was. And again, I go back, that's one of the more horrific things when you think about, now she was already dead at the time, but still horrible. That's terrible, man. So after he drives this 10, 12 miles, he stops the truck, unties her body, and puts it in a ditch by the side of the road. Now, he's about 250 miles away from the truck.

stop where he killed Angela's surprise when all of this part happens and her body is not found for several months and even then it's only found after Jesperson gives authorities details the body would be positively identified as Angela Surbrise through tattoos and x-rays that's the only way they could identify her that's terrible man it's only a couple of months after jesperson murder surprise that he starts to believe that his longtime girlfriend this is a woman by the name of julie ann winningham is only into him for his money now he's had issues with females we know that right he had issues when he was young his marriage didn't end well now he starts having issues with his current girl

girlfriend, and on March 10th, 1995, she would become his eighth victim. This is in Washugel, Washington. Yeah. He strangled her. Julianne Winningham was 41 years old, and her nude body would be found down an embankment along Highway 14. But Keith Jesperson had made a huge mistake because we talked about this, right? He's a trucker.

He's picking up women that he has no connection to. But now he's killed his girlfriend. So for the first time, he's killed someone with whom he had a connection. And there are a lot of people. There's friends, there's family that know the two were seeing each other. And some people provided Jesperson's name to police after Julianne's body is found. and he's arrested on March 30th, 1995 for the murder of Winningham. Police had been questioning him for a little while, but they at the time didn't have enough

to arrest him earlier. He wasn't talking to them. But after he was interrogated a couple of times, in the days leading up to his arrest, he knew that they were going to come for him. He just knew it. And he tried to commit suicide a couple of times unsuccessfully. And then all of a sudden, Gibbs, he turned himself in. I think his thought process was, they're going to get me.

They know who I am. If I turn myself in, I'll be better off. But as soon as he's in custody, he starts giving out details, not just of the murder of Julianne Winningham, but all of these other murders that he's committed. And not just the eight we've talked about. He starts talking about all kinds of murders. Now, he's going to recant a lot of these, but he writes two letters. He writes one to his children and one to his brother.

And in the letter to his brother, it says, seems like my luck has run out. I will never be able to enjoy. life on the outside again. I got into a bad situation and got caught up with emotion. I killed a woman in my truck during an argument. With all of the evidence against me, it looks like I truly am a black sheep. The court will appoint me a lawyer and there will be a trial. I'm sure they will kill me for this. I'm sorry that I turned out this way. I've been a killer for five years and have killed eight people assaulted more. I guess I haven't learned anything. So he writes this in a letter to his brother. When he's taken back to Washington, he calls his brother and over the phone tells him to destroy the

letter that he sent. But his brother doesn't do it. You know, he talks to an attorney. He talks to his father. They both say, you know, you need to give this to police and that's what he does. And this letter is published back in back during that time frame in in newspapers. But what it does is it causes police in a lot of different areas in many states to reopen some of their cold cases thinking that you know, there could be a lot of these cases that are possible victims of Keith, uh, Jesperson. In October of 1995, right before his trial, right before his trial, was getting ready to start. Jesperson pleaded guilty to the murder of Julianne Winningham in Washington, and he received a

life sentence. Then he was sent to Oregon. He entered a no contest plea for the murder of Tanya Bennett, and he received a life sentence for that as well. But you have to look at the reason why he would plead guilty to the murder of Tanya Bennett. He's confessing to murders in places where he's. he was more likely to get life because he's trying to avoid some of these places that would most

likely put him to death. So he's being calculated? He's being very calculating about this and he would come out and talk about it later. He ends up, you know, playing what you'd have to call like a cat and mouse game with authorities. But the confession to the murder of Tanya Bennett is important for a number of reasons. But let's go back to Laverne and John. You know, this is over four years since they were convicted. And it's on November 27th, 1995 that they actually get released from prison. You know, based on this confession by Keith Jesperson, and it's not just his words, because that might not have been enough to do it, he gave authorities something very specific. And it was the location of Tanya Bennett's purse. This had never been found. And so the authorities knew this is something that

only the killer would know. And he knew it. He knew where it was. And once he gave them that, they set Laverne and John free. But they both spent over four years in prison for something that. they didn't do. Yeah. Something that Laverne concocted to try to get out of this relationship that she didn't want to be in. Jesperson also received a life sentence in Oregon for the murder of Lori Petlin. And I mentioned the fact that he's trying to stay out of some of these states that he thought would put him to death. And it took about two years of going through the legal system before the state of Wyoming was

able to get their hands on him. They wanted to put him on trial for the brutal murder of Angela's surprise. But this is where his cat and mouse game really comes into play because they're getting ready to put him on trial. He starts telling them that he didn't kill Angela in Wyoming. He actually killed her in Nebraska, right? That's where he drove to. That's where her body was.

so a very strange situation that these prosecutors are in because there's a chance this could really put a monkey wrench into their case. Potentially. Because he had said a number of things. He had said he killed her in Wyoming. He had said he killed her in Nebraska. At this point, I think it's hard for them to know exactly what the truth was. he's deliberately trying to mislead them or to confuse them about which jurisdiction had the right to

prosecute him. It's not the fact that they don't know he did it. It's who has the legal right to actually prosecute him. But in the end, a deal is worked out. And the deal is Jesperson will plead guilty to murdering Angela Surbrise. In Wyoming, which is what he really did if they would agree to take the death penalty off the table and they do so it's on june 3rd 1998 that he is sentenced to life in prison and this life sentence is to run consecutive to the other life sentences that he has in oregon and washington because that's the other thing right he doesn't care about another life sentence. All he cares about is avoiding the death penalty.

Exactly. He already has three life sentences. What's one more that he's never going to technically serve? It's all game anyway to him. Sure. Yeah. And he's never getting out. I mean,

they're never going to let Keith Jesperson out. He's going to die in prison. So after this is all over, he gets the life sentence in Wyoming. He's immediately taken back to, the Oregon State Penitentiary. How do you say that, State Gibbs? Oregon.

Oh, okay. That really fires people up when you say that. But you're okay with how I say a penitentiary. Yeah, I have trouble with that one. Yeah. Penitentiary. It sounds like you have trouble with it too. Penitentiary.

Penitentiary. Yeah. Sometimes I think there's too many letters in there. You just want to call it the big house. I want to say it the way it's written, like I say names, that end up being wrong. Yeah, you do that a lot. There's a really, there's a hard R in that word, you know.

Hey, there was a hard R. That cracked me up. Sorry it happened. Wish it never happened. And can we move on? Can we move on? Yeah. I mean, come on.

I mean, it's done. It's over with. How would you feel if somebody did this to your daughter? Well, I would probably search him down and kill him. Yes, I'd like to go back. So that's just percent. I think that's an interview he did with CBS. is he remorseful?

I don't know. I don't think so. Can we just move on? I know that that part was very... Can we just stop talking about the fact that I killed... It's like a bad couples fight, you know? One of the spouse says that, you know? Can you just get over it?

Can you just move on? Yeah, can we just move on? Why are we still talking about this? It's, it is what it is. It's done. Yeah, I don't think he's remorseful. I think he's sorry he got caught. And I think you would say that about,

a lot of the people that we talk about on true crime all time. Yeah. I don't think they have true remorse for the, the really horrible things that they did. I just think they're sorry they got caught and they lost their freedom and they lost the ability to keep doing those horrible things. Right. Yeah.

That's what I think. He definitely likes to have control and he's not having control, but he's trying to act like he has control. Yeah. I think the control was a big part of it. I mean, look back at. the murder of Tanya Bennett, there was two people in prison for that murder. He didn't like that. He didn't like the fact that somebody else, and I don't want to use the word got credit, because

that's not the right way. You know, somebody else took the blame for something that he would have wanted credit for, maybe is a better way to say it. Right. You know, he wanted to control that situation and ultimately he did he tried to even when he was out right by writing on the bathroom stalls by writing the letters but jesperson he has claimed a lot of victims and this is where it gets really tough with him i think for authorities to separate out fact from fiction because at different points in time the number of victims that he's talked about is like in the area of 160. It's crazy, man.

Did he really kill 160 people? Or does he just like to talk about it and say that he did and get people talking? That could be a little bit of both, you know? I'm sure the numbers are up there. I'm sure it's probably more than eight. So. But in the end, it's only the eight women in California, Florida, you know, Nebraska, Oregon, Washington, Wyoming.

only the ones there that have been confirmed. He's serving out his consecutive life sentences at the Oregon State Penitentiary, which is located in Salem, Oregon. And unless they, the only reason he would ever leave there is if they move him. Like I said, nobody's ever letting Keith Jesperson walk to streets again. Right.

But he might be listening to this. He might be. If he is, you know, call Gibby. He'd love to talk to you. Do a little interview. We talked a little bit about the fact that he had three kids. Sure.

And his daughter, Melissa, has come out. I think she wrote a book. She definitely did the interview circuit talking about her dad, talking about her childhood growing up with Keith Jesperson. He would hang our, well, my pets. For instance, it was in one. case, it was some kittens that I had found in the cellar that I was pretending. I was just a little girl. I was six years old and I found them and I was playing house with them and I was pretending I was a mom and I had taken the little kittens outside and my dad had hung them on the clothes

line and was torturing them and that that was one really dark and horrible day. I would say that would be a horrible day. Absolutely would be a horrible day. I don't know how old she was. I think she was around 10 when her mom left. So I'm thinking younger than 10 when this happened. Yeah. So you have that experience.

And then you have the experience of finding out that your dad was this brutal serial killer. I can't imagine. what that would be like. And Melissa talks about it how her mom gathered the kids up one day and basically had to tell them that, you know, you're going to see it on the news. You're going to hear it at school. Your dad has been arrested and he's this monster. But that's it, Gibbs. That is the story of Keith Jesperson. Terrible guy, man. He was. Terrible. He was. He was from a very young Yeah. Just a brutal monster, man.

We've got some voicemails. Maybe we'll cleanse it a little bit with that. You want to do that? See if we can. All right. Hey, Mike and Nibby. It's Aaron from Anderson, South Carolina calling again. So this is something completely unrelated to the content in the podcast, apart from talking about the actor Sam Rockwell. I just thought it was funny that you guys were going back and forth today about him and you looked it up. but that really brings up a great point. Sam Rockwell actually won the best supporting actor for his role this year in three billboards over Ebbing, Missouri, which is a kind of faux-crime story.

But it's actually really interesting, and I think that both of you would enjoy that movie if you haven't seen it, and also Gibby can get his fix of Sam Rockwell. But anyways, I just wanted to let you guys know. continuing to enjoy the podcast, both of them. You guys do a great job and keep your own time ticking. Thanks, guys. All right. Awesome.

Love the voice man. Now, she did call back later, Gibbs. I didn't play it. Okay. Called back later just to correct the name of the movie. That it's actually three billboards outside. Yeah, I've seen like previews for it. It's supposed to be really good.

Yeah. I just like the fact that she recognized your man-crubborn. on Sam Rockwell. There's no man crush, sir. There's a definite man crush. You talked about him quite a bit. I think I talked about Nick Cage more, but okay. Well, maybe you got a man crush for both of them.

I just said, Sam, he always does this little foot dance. Yeah, you talked about his dance. A little foot dance move. Yeah, there was a, you talked about him in a glowing way. Let's put it that way. Glowing. I do like Sam Rockwell. He's a good actor.

Hi, this is Liz. I am actually from the northwest corner of Ottawa, and I just listened to the Robert Hanson case and I happen to have read a business in Estroville, Iowa, which is pretty fascinating because he is a part of town folklore here and I actually know people who knew him and his family. So every once in a while at work, I'll hear them talk about him and what he did and how he was here. So it's pretty fascinating. Another case, a couple of them here out of Esterville. One is the case of Gregory Scott Erickson, who was a 15-year-old young man who had gotten himself and with some bad people, and the police used him as an informant.

Fortunately, he ended up murdered. It's still kind of an ongoing thing. It's been twice. He just kind of, as always on everybody's mind, it was kind of a, I think, where the police kind of didn't do quite what they should, and there's a major Mexican drug cartel involved, so maybe you want to check out another one here, which is still ongoing, is the case of Lee Christensen, who happened to kill another young man here in town. kind of an ongoing thing, but just thought you find it absolutely fascinating because

Esther is going on in Estherville, Iowa. I don't know, but Liz is on top of it. We need to fly you out there, Pronto. Pronto. Check it out. Let me see what's going on. I love to hear, though. I've said it before. I love to hear from people that, you know, have some type of connection to the people that we cover. Yeah.

You know, Hansen was born or grew up in Esther's. And as you can imagine, people still talk about him there, what he was like, what his family was like. It definitely adds a layer of, what's the word I want to use? It's a layer of... Sam Rockwell? Sam Rockwell. Okay, then.

That's a layer of what? I'm just going to let it go. Because you can't think of it. Well, I can't just leave it like that. A layer of intrigue. To the story? Sure. Yeah.

Yeah, when people know, you know, have a little personal touch to it. Yeah, I think it does add something to Am Rockwell. Hi, Mike. Hi, Gibby. This is Katie Wu. I've called once before a long-time listener. Me and Mike I listen religiously. Anywho, I was listening the other day to your Robert Hanson one that takes place in Alaska.

And it's the Kinnick River, not the Nick River. the K is not silent and it's absolutely beautiful. If you were to hide a body anywhere, I mean, why not? It's gorgeous. Anywho's, uh, stay, uh, anyways, thanks. Bye. I think she almost felt bad, Gibbs calling to let me know that I had mispronounced it. I can hear it in her voice.

She's like, I don't want to, but I think you need to know. Yeah, and we do need to know. And I actually did feel bad about that because it was such a central part to the case that I got it wrong, I felt bad. If I get one name wrong and we never say it again, all right, I can live with that. Yeah. But to get the river wrong when it was such a big part of the case, I really did feel bad. I don't know how you jacked that up in.

I don't know. I really biffed it, though. Hey, guys, I had to stop the ball. You got to say, Gibby, I love you. I just listened to the new episode and you said Maggie's bad. And I started saying Maggie's back. I'll stop and get you some hard. Man, he's going to love this episode.

Yeah. That's one of the good. truck drivers. That's one of our truck driving buddies right there. Absolutely. And he's using his crisscrossing of the country maybe to pick me up some Harley chips. Yeah. That's what she should be using it for. Yeah. He's great, man. Him and his wife are good. But definitely, yeah, definitely, you know, give us a call back. Clue us in on the technology today in, you know, some of these trucks and with the different carriers. Yeah, it's probably different if you're independent or Yeah, and I don't know.

If you're with a large, you know, organization. I'm sure it is. I'm sure it's different if you're driving for Walmart and they want to know where you're at every second of the day or something. Yeah, versus, you know, your own self, you know. But anyway, anybody that can shed some light on it, I'm, I would be. It shall be shed it. It shall be shed it. All right, Gibbs, that's it for the voicemails.

What's in the box? I mean, what's in the mail? What's in the box? Yeah. What's in the box? What's in the box? So what we got in the mail this week Yeah

Got some chips Okay Got a chip from Cynthia In Anchorage, the last week You say we You're not sharing these chips with me You can have some of the chips If you want

You don't have the heart You say you can have some of these chips As soon as we're off air You're like Get away from the effing chips Buddy, they're mine I did get something from I can't remember who it was

A message that says Gibi needs to collect something so that he can get stuff in the mail too. Now, we did get mugs last week. We got mugs. We loved. Yeah. You know what to send me. Just surprise, Givie. He likes surprises. Yeah. Well, I don't want like a, I don't want the real what's in the box. No, we don't want those kind of surprises. No. But Cynthia, after listening to the Robert Hanson episode, she's in Anchorage. Yeah. She gets me an Anchorage chip. That's cool. Goes with the episode. Yeah. It's awesome. It is awesome. And then.

Dawn sent me a couple of chips from different places in Oregon. Okay. Kind of goes with this episode. Yeah. Some chips from Oregon. That she didn't know about. She didn't know about. I can't say that.

I can't repeat what you just said, even though I want to. I physically can't say the state that way. My brain won't let the word come out that way for some reason. I don't know how. It just happens. It just happens. All right. That is it for another episode of true crime all the time.

So for Mike and Gibby, stay safe and keep your own time ticking. Sam Rockwell. Hey now.