True Crime All The Time - Leroy Hall Jr

Episode Date: November 9, 2020

Leroy Hall Jr had a fascination with fire from an early age. He also had an obsession with his estranged girlfriend Traci Crozier. When Traci rejected his attempts at reconciliation, Hall stalked her and ultimately lit her on fire while she sat inside her car.Join Mike and Gibby as they discuss the heinous murder committed by Leroy Hall Jr. This was a man who could not let go of the woman he felt was the love of his life. He made the fateful decision that if he could not have her, no one else could. You can help support the show at patreon.com/truecrimeallthetimeVisit the show's website at truecrimeallthetime.com for contact, merchandise, and donation informationAn Emash Digital productionSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

So everyone and welcome to episode 207 of the True Crime All the Time podcast. I'm Mike Ferguson. And with me in studio is my partner in true crime, Mike Gibson. Gibby, how are you? It is amazing to have you back. Hey, man. I'm trying, man. I know you are.

Yeah. I know you are. I'm good, though. You know, you and I just did kind of a Patreon thing, you know, that we put out for our Patreon supporters. Right. And we'll keep this part brief, but, you know, I missed you so much. Same here. I think the fans have missed you.

Miss them. And just the fact that, you know, you were feeling good enough to do the intro. Yeah. For this episode is amazing. Because I'll just tell everybody up front, what we're putting out today is a Patreon episode that we probably did last year sometime. Right. It's a great episode and you're in it. Yeah.

But I don't think you were up for, and I don't want to put words in your mouth, for really belting out two brand new episodes this week. Not this week. But you were up for the intro. Yes. Obviously much shorter. Yeah. And then everybody gets to hear from you.

Yeah. Which is amazing. We know you got your ass kicked. I did. But like I told everybody, Gibby's a fighter. You know, I don't know if you fought. the COVID with the K bar. I don't know how you did it with the help of some good doctors and all that. Yeah. Oxygen machine. And oxygen. I knew you were a battler. That's one thing I know

about you. This was rough. It was rough. But with everything in life, you just don't let many things get you down. If they do, you fight to bounce back. You've always been like that since I've known you. Yeah. So I had a lot of confidence that, you know, you would. bounce back from this, but I'll be honest with you, man. It was rougher than I thought it was going to be. And I think you would agree. I'm like Marky Marking in the fighter, man. You're the one that had to go through it.

But I'll speak for everyone and say, it's amazing to have you back. I had a smile on my face when you walked into the studio because I haven't seen you in so long. Yeah. It's been a long time, man. It's great just to sit here with you six feet apart and do our thing. I like the plastic that you guys put up. That's nice. So let's start out with our Patreon shoutouts.

Okay. And the first one, she requested that you give it a shot. Okay. So go ahead and try it out. Let's go with Manetri Pharaoh. Okay. Yeah. I think it's close.

She'll get a kick out of it. We had Shelly Clancy. Hey, Shelly. Angela Miller. What's going on? Miller. Gracie Wilson jumped out to our highest level. I like that name.

Gracie. Mary Hammer jumped out to our highest level. Hey, Mary. We had Julie. Julian. Hey, Julian. Victoria Stam. Well, thank you, Victoria.

Christy. Hey, Christy. Stacey Covington. What's going on, Covington? Jessica Burke jumped out at our highest level. Hey, thank you, Jessica. Justin Snyder. Good old Justin.

Emily Vanderwagon. What's going on, Vander. Pull that Vanderwagon around. Tammy Barnett. Hey, Tammy. Stephen Miller. What's going on, Mr. Miller Band? Mr. Miller Band.

Yadi Cisneros. Ooh, I like that. Yadi Cisneros. Yeah. It's fun to say, isn't it? It is. Nikki Van Skoy. Hey, Van Skoy.

Scooy. Skoy. Alexandria Jackson. Hey. That's a Mrs. Jackson, right? Alexander? I don't know. Yes.

I'm sure that's a woman's name. It's like a, you know, like a noble name. It's very noble. Yeah. Kaylee Delilah. Hey, Kaylee and Delilah. Heidi Kitchens. What's going on, Heidi?

Casey Bacon. Hey, thank you, Casey. Amy Leone. Lyon. Sini. Wasinius. Really? Wasseyius, huh?

That's a cool name. What's that, Wasinius? Kendall Gonsalves. Hey, Gonsalv. And last but not least, Linda McClain. Well, thank you, Linda. Yeah, I know everybody's going to be super excited just to hear your voice. You know, you know, because you heard it, but my daughter's filled in.

My wife filled in one week. They did their best to pay their respects to their uncle Gibby. We'll have a meeting about that later. Yeah. I got a kick out of it. A lot of people got a kick out of it. A lot of people got a kick out. out of it, but of course they wished it was you.

Yeah. Then if we go back into the Vault Gibbs. Okay. This week we selected Debbie Self. Hey, Debbie. So big shout out to all the new supporters and the people that continue to support us. Yeah. We had some great PayPal donations, Nick's sales.

Hey, Nick. Need stuff. I need stuff too, but I appreciate it. Holly Baldwin. Hey, Holly. And Kim Higginbottom. Well, what's going on, Higginbottom? So, again, all the support.

we get, especially with everything that's going on right now. Yeah. Just absolutely amazing. Appreciate it all. So Gibbs, right now on True Crime All the Time Unsolved, we have an episode out. It's on the freeway Phantom. It's a good episode. It is.

An unknown serial killer who abducted, raped, and strangled a number of young African-American girls. This happened in the Washington, D.C. area back in the early 1970s. Yeah. So again, this is another Patreon episode that we did probably a year or two ago. I never remember how old they are. Yeah. But you're in it. So I know people will like it.

Most people will not have heard it. But with all that out of the way, Gibbs, I'll ask you the magic question. Yeah. Are you ready to get into this episode of truth crime all the time? Let's do it. So we will let the Patreon episode run. Yeah. But Gibby and I will be back at the end with some voicemails.

and we've got some mailbag and things like that. So we'll talk to you then. So for this episode, we're talking about a man named Leroy Hall Jr. I'll call him Leroy. Leroy Brown. Badest man. And the whole damn town.

That's a good song. You know who sings that? Trivia. Kat Stevens. Jim Crocey. Oh, the guy from San Diego. He had his restaurant. You don't know who sings the song,

but when I tell you who sings it, somehow magically you know where they're from and the fact that he owns a restaurant. He had a restaurant downtown in the Gaslight District. I just remember that. I do like the Gaslight District a lot. But that is such a famous song and you go Cat Stevens. But somehow, oh yeah, Jim Crochet's from San Diego. I had dinner with him one time down in the Gaslight District. Is that important information? No. Useless information? Yes. I may say Lee Hall. I'll probably call I'm Lee a lot, but we're headed to Tennessee for this one. We've been to Tennessee a few times. A few times. Yeah, probably maybe almost a half dozen times now. Yeah, there might be a little Krista Pike

tie in, in a tenuous way. Hall is a guy who murdered his ex-girlfriend Gibbs by dousing her with gasoline while she sat in her car. He set her on fire and killed her. And we'll get into it as the episode goes along, but what a way to die. It's terrible, man. It kind of makes me think of, do you remember back in the, what was it, the 70s, 60s or 70s, where that, I think it was a Tibetan monk set himself on fire in protest. In China, in the square, whatever. Yeah.

I'll never forget that. I don't even know if I was alive, but I've seen it multiple times on history shows. Disturbing. Just can't imagine what. that would be like. And, and this is going to be a pretty horrific case. We're going to have to get into some details. So be prepared for that. So we don't know a lot about Leroy's childhood. He was born on October 28th, 1966. There are a lot of reports, Gibbs, that his family moved around a lot when he was a child. I think his childhood was very unstable. And you would have to imagine, right? It was.

would be unstable to some degree. If you're just moving around all the time, that's tough. It is really tough, difficult. But a lot of families do it. Military families. My wife teaches at a school that has a lot of military families because it's close to Wright Pat Air Force Base. Yeah.

Those families are all the time coming in and out. Two years in, two years out. I mean, I do think stability, at least in some part, comes from staying in the same place, keeping the same routines. Well, you know how it is. I mean, you're meeting new people all the time. It's hard to meet people. It's hard to build a relationship with people.

Yeah. So if you're having to do it over and over again. Especially for a kid in school. It is. It really is. But you can look at a lot of those military families. You know, it hardly means that a child can't have stability just because you move around a lot.

It doesn't help, but you can still have a great. family, a very stable family, Lee didn't have that. That's for sure. Yeah. But this guy was also not a serial killer, right? So I do think his background probably matters a little bit less than a John Wayne Gacy or somebody like that. At the age of 14, Lee's family decided that they were going to move to Alabama. But Lee didn't want to go. So he stayed in Chattanooga, Tennessee. see lived with a family friend or a friend's family moved in with them. That's a big decision, right? Huge decision. Huge, huge decision. Your family is moving to another state. You don't want to go. Yeah. So you know what? You're going to stay and live with another family. And we almost had that

at my house at one time. I remember that was like how the girl's family was moving. way right around junior high time and she didn't really want to go who is this girl somebody you were dating or no no no no this is somebody friends with my kids oh okay yeah and and we actually had the conversation would we would we take her in and we said yeah um we decided that you know she was a good kid and we felt that uh her parents would have to pay room and board well they you know me i was going to say half the mortgage are you doling out uh extra money for extra food Yeah, yeah. That does not sound like the give me that I know.

I don't know which kid at this table is going to give up some of their food. It's not going to be. But if you wanted to stay, that's what's going to happen. But it ended up not working out, didn't need to go that route. But we were okay with it, you know. Yeah. I think I would take in one of my kids as very good friends if they were in a situation where, especially you get into like junior, senior year and they just want to try to finish out.

Right. But at the age of 14, not to want to go with your family. I get it, right? Senior year you don't want to leave. You've made all these friends. But the thing about Lee Gibbs is he did have a history with fire, which we know is going to be important. Right. Based on the crime that he's going to commit.

He also had some other criminal behavior. But as a kid, and I mean like the age of six, he set fire to his bed in 1972. It's a problem. It seems like a problem. Yeah. You know, like I said, about six years old. That's a red flag in my book. I mean, the master's tag says, flammable.

It also says don't remove. Yeah. Which most people do against, uh, what's it say? Against federal. Federal regulations or penalty of law or something like that. First thing I rip off just because I want to be a bad guy. But wouldn't that be a red flag if a six year old sets their bed on fire? Now, if it was an accident.

was an accident. I don't get the sense that this was an accident because the very next year, he tried to set his mother's boyfriend's car on fire. Yeah. So he's seven now. He's graduated to setting cars on fire. He didn't burn the whole car, but I guess he burned the seat pretty good. And we know arson can be a sign of bad things to come. It can be. It can be this case a little different because we know his ultimate crime is arson. Right. We're late. But you're right. I mean, arson is one of those things that I think profilers look at and say, that's not a great sign of future criminal behavior. If you're burning stuff down at age seven. Yeah, six, seven. Two years after that, he set off some big fire in a wooded area. I don't think there's any doubt. This guy had a fascination with fire. I mean, I did when I was a little, but not like that. No, no, I think all kids to some, degree, I mean, you see kids like sitting in front of a fireplace.

Yeah. And they're just like, oh, wow, it's flickering or, you know, looking at a candle fascinated with how fire works. I think that's natural. It's natural to have a fascination or wonder how, you know, things work or things happen. It was always fun to make the fire, you know, supervised. Allegedly. Allegedly.

Yeah. You know, in the fire pit. But to make the conscious decision as a very, young kid that I have the need and I'm going to set fire to my bed. I'm going to set fire to my mother's boyfriend's car. Yeah. That's disturbing. Yeah, it is. It means something. There was something going on in this kid from a pretty young age. I don't think there's any any doubt about that. He also had some charges for driving under the influence, fighting truancy. He had some little things. you know as well.

But he also allegedly snuck up on his mother's boyfriend with a knife. Didn't stab him, but you turn around and, you know, somebody's doing the Michael Myers or whatever behind you. A little psycho thing or psycho. That's probably a better. Yeah.

That'll be fair, I do that a lot. You do and it scares the shit out of me every time you do it. Especially when I'm in the shower, when you just yank back the, first of all, I'm like, why are you in my house?

That was, that's always my first question. The fact I got in was the, was lucky enough. Yeah, I don't know how you got past security. But the fact that you're in my house when I am taking a shower and you feel the need to just throw it wide open and have a knife in your hand. But I ask you the same question every time. Why are you showering in your shorts? Because I know. It's like a rested development or something.

Because I know you're going to fling it open. Yeah. You're probably video, videotaping me on your phone as you do. do all kinds of strange things. Next thing I know, my Wii Willy Winker is on Instagram. I can't have that. At least you got the Wii part, right? So stay out of my house.

Unless we're taping. That's the only time it's acceptable. It's been the rule since day one. Just follow the rule. You like you go to swim clubs and they have the 10 rules on board. They can't see it, but you got 10 rules right here. And then that is just a bunch of them are. See number one.

Yeah, go back to number one. And then I think if you go back to the boyfriend, what's this guy thinking? You got to be rethinking your choices at this point. Sure. Is this woman worth it? Her son set my car on fire. He is acting like he's going to stab me with the knife. I don't know.

What did I sign up for? I'll be out. You're like, hey. Yeah. Yeah. I think maybe at that time, it's probably. best to update your dating profiles, weigh some different options. Now, I don't know what dating profiles they had way back then, but, uh, that was his friend to friend. Yeah. I'd be like telling my friends,

hey, if they have. If you have any friends. First of all, yeah, you got to have that for, I'm looking. No, no, I meant. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, if you have any friends. If you have any female friends, I'm looking. Yeah. So I think this story really picks up in 1984 because that's when Lee Hall, met a girl named Tracy Crozier. And I hope I'm saying her last name correctly, Gibbs. I heard it said like three different ways. Crozier. Yeah.

Yeah. Prozier. Crozier. I'm not going to say it a lot, but you know me. I really hate to, we butcher a lot of names. Right. But I do not like to mess up victims names because I think that's very important. Oh, absolutely.

We're telling their story. You want to get their names right. right. The problem is I listen to some news articles or some news cast, they said it a bunch of different ways. So they're not even sure. No. Yeah. That always makes it much, much tougher. So the pair began dating. Classic story, right? Seems like they hit it off right away. And you know that new love. Everybody listening or watching remembers your first crush, your first love. I mean, that's a feeling that is kind of hard to get back. Second grade, man.

Don't tell my wife. Obviously, it's different when you've been married 23, 24, 25 years. It's a different type of love. It's a much deeper love, but it's a different feeling. Yeah. You know, that first time, your first love, it's like, oh, you're floating on a cloud. Yeah. The world stopped, man.

You're going to marry this person, white picket fence. Yeah. Stop the world and I melted with them. Okay, now you're just quoting song lyrics. But it is a great feeling, right? Anything's possible. I'm not sure what the best phrasing for it is. My wife's probably going to hear me as I edit this video.

And she's going to be like, what do you mean by old love? Yeah. Explain that to me. Explain that. Two hours later, you get back to editing. We're in a fight. This thing never gets out. Right.

Yeah, I just mean that. we've been married, you know, for a long time. When you've been married as long as I have. Yeah. I think we all got it. I think you're probably best to because she's still listening to you editing. She's like, you really are trying to sell this. No, nothing.

None of this is for you. None of this is for the podcast. All of this is strictly for my wife. Yeah. In case she hears this as I'm editing. Love you, honey. Yeah. I didn't mean anything by that.

I get in trouble a lot for my choice of words. But back to Lee and Tracy. They met. They fell in love. They were young. Lee was 18. Tracy was 16 when they met. By 1986, the two were living together.

They're still only like 20 and 18. It's young, man. That is young. It's young to move in together. I think it's tough for most relationships to really flourish when you're that young. You don't have great job. You're not making enough money. You're going to fight.

It's going to be tough to make it at that young age. I think so. Oh, I know that because I live that. Yeah. I know. I got married young and my wife and I met young. I think just the monetary aspect alone is very difficult. Yeah.

I mean, remember back in the day probably when you and your wife first met, a lot of fights were probably about money or the lack of it. It's just very, very normal. And on top of that, the fact that Lee had some anger problems, much like yourself. A little bit. No. You know, you're the last person to have anger. If anybody of the two of us has anger problems, it's me.

Yeah. This guy was not bright. So he's got anger problems. He's not a bright guy. his IQ was down in the 70s. So we talked about Gacy right on last week's T-Cat. Right. They pegged him at about 118.

That's pretty good. It is pretty good. And I do think in a lot of respects, Gacy was a pretty bright individual. When you get into the 70s, you are not functioning at a very high capacity. Right. I'm trying to figure out how to say it in the most,

most euphemistic way. It should give somebody concern with what they can do with their abilities, their functionality in certain jobs, right? Well, I think it's going to exclude you from a lot of jobs. Also, are you 18 feet away from the microphone? You're like, it should. Yeah. It should.

Can you get any further away from the microphone? No, I do. You're right. Low IQ. It's, it's not going to be the easiest thing to find. It's not like this guy's going to become the CEO of some big company. Right. He's not going to make millions of dollars. It's just never going to happen. It's a lotto. Well. Yeah. But yeah. Otherwise, no. Right. In, in the real world. I don't consider Lotto the real world. He also abused alcohol and drugs. including crack cocaine. So this is a very volatile combination. Yeah, not healthy. Low IQ, a penchant for arson.

Oh. Alcoholic. Yeah. Addicted to crack. It's all lining up, man. And you know what Whitney would say about that. She wouldn't be happy at all.

That would be whack. Until the end of her life. And then seemed like she got into some stuff herself. Yeah, some crazy stuff. That's a whole, that's a whole episode. Yeah.

So I think it's, pretty easy to believe that this relationship between Lee and Tracy was very rocky, right? They would break up. They would get back together. In late 1990, Lee took off for Oklahoma. He was going to stay with his cousin. And he had this grand plan. So he was going to find a good job in Oklahoma, but he was also going to find a treatment center.

Yeah. To get off the alcohol, to get off. off the drugs. That's good. It sounds like a really good idea. It's a start. A start of a really good idea. The problem is it doesn't happen because he cannot stay away from Tracy.

He just can't do it. You know, it's almost as if they were magnets to each other. Yeah. You know, he's back in Chattanooga by the very next month. So he had an obsession. I think, yeah. Yeah. Well, he definitely had an obsession, but I actually think the two of them were very into each other.

Okay. And I don't know Gibbs, if you've ever known any couples like that, where they are so into each other, regardless of how bad they are together. Right. That they're basically toxic. Yeah. But they cannot stay away. They keep coming back together.

Yeah. Yeah. Like they're, they're magnets. Yep. So Lee and Tracy are back together in January of 1991. This literally, he's not even gone a month, right?

This thing in Oklahoma. Right. He just can't leave her. But by March of that year, Tracy had moved out into her grandmother's house. Her uncle lived there as well. She was done. She said, you know what? We've given it all the tries that we can give it.

Nowhere else to go. No. Now, you said he had an obsession. I think he did. Obviously, with her moving out, she doesn't feel the same way. She's probably realized after all this time that he's bad for me, not healthy. I realize that now. I'm going to move forward, but he's still stuck back in the, it's us, do or die, man. See, that's the thing. When you are obsessed, it doesn't matter what the other person does. Your perception of the way things should be doesn't change. They say, I hate you. Get out of my face. I'm leaving you. Doesn't matter. He hears. She still loves me. She still loves me. So you're telling me there's a chance. So you're saying there's a chance. So there's one in a billion.

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He was just not going to let her go. to the point where he set fire to Tracy's car on April 1st. This is 1991. All of this takes place in a very short span of time. This was not a huge fire. It did a little bit of damage. This was more of a, to me, it seemed like I'm putting you on notice, maybe. This is no April Fool's joke.

Right. You know, look what I could do. And it could be a lot worse if you don't. come back. Right. That's the sense that I got from it. Make your decision. Yeah.

I don't think he ever came out and said it for sure, but that's, that's kind of the way I got it. Because really, less than a week later, in the early morning hours of April 6th, he crept up to Tracy's Nissan, which was parked in the driveway of her grandmother's house. He had a gas can. And he poured gas around the outside of the car. and he lit it on fire. So the car started burning,

right, as cars will do when you put gasoline on it. Yeah, that's going to happen. But this is like the outside. And the way that it was said in the research was that really the type of damage it did was it melted some of the fenders, some of the bumpers. Yeah.

So I'm thinking he just kind of went really out of the perimeter. Perimeter of it. Of the car. He didn't dump it on the top or, you know, anything like that. again, it seems like more of a notice me, notice what I can do or, you know, something like that. Scary. It's scary as hell.

You know, to see that happen a second time. Mm-hmm. You know, it's definitely alarming. It would be very, very strange because, well, and Tracy's uncle saw it, saw the car on fire. He came out. He essentially ran out of the house. he had a gun. Right.

He fired a warning shot, I think, but. Nobody there. Lee was already gone by that point. But, you know, you're going to pop one off anyway. Got to. Just in case. It's the old shoot the, how the shotgun was at the. Does your gun have two triggers?

Yeah. You pop the duck, the duck shot, then the buck shot. What do you call that? The bird shot, then the, you shoot the bird shot, then the, the, I don't know, but If you got a trigger here and one way over here, it's a good one. You got a strange gun, my friend. It's a fun one. It's a safety. Now that we have video, I love it that people can see what you do. Yeah. Me too, because I do some strange things too, but not like that. Yeah. Well, anyway. But let me get back to something that you said. This is scary. This is I'm trying to get away

from this guy. Yeah. He is stalking me. He's kind of letting me know that he's not happening. with me. Yeah. Things are escalating within a matter of, you know, weeks time. So obviously they call the police that an arson investigator comes out. They, they do all of that stuff. Right.

That you would normally do. They did find a yellow gas can at the scene. But what I found very, very strange about all of this, because we just talked about how it seemed like he was obsessed. He's stalking her. He is setting her car on fire. During all of this, friends said that the two of them were still going out, as though they would go and hang out. So go over there, light the car, a perimeter on fire.

Next day show up and say, hey, you want to go grab a beer, grab a bite to eat, catch a movie. Man, what do you mean somebody let your car on fire? Or did you get my message? This is weeks leading up to Tracy's murder. It's weird. while all this is happening, she knows who it is. Right. She knows it's him, but yet she continued to go out with him.

So maybe she's trying to keep him passive. Yeah, I don't know. There was never really much that I could find or really anything that I could find as to what her mindset might have been for a reason for doing that. You know, the old keep your enemies closer. No, I get it. Keep an eye on them thing. I get it.

Maybe if she thought, hey, this is escalating. maybe I can de-escalate it if I only sit with him and have dinner, we'll talk. I don't know. Right. You know, all of that is speculation because there's no way for us to really know. But there were people that later testified at trial that said, yeah, they saw them out, hanging out together in the weeks leading up to their murder. You know, I said it's like they just cannot stay away from each other. Yeah. There's something that is drawing them. And maybe it's that for love, maybe, I don't know what it is. Sometimes it's just that I think people put so much time into each other that they feel like

it's what they have to do. We got to stay together. Regardless of how things bad are in the relationship. But we got all this time together, you know. But every time that Lee would call Tracy's grandmother's house, either her uncle would answer or her grandmother would answer. They would let him have it. Basically, they knew this guy was trouble.

They knew he had set fire to her car already twice. Right. And they told him, stay away. We don't want you here. Tracy doesn't want you here. It was during one of these calls that he allegedly said, if I can't have her, nobody can't. Gives that is pretty ominous. Usually when someone says something like that, something bad is about ready to happen.

Yeah, that's not good. It's never been good in any of the case. that we've done for sure. Yeah, we know the outcomes. Granted, the cases that we do all involve bad things happening, but I do think when you hear that, you have to take it very seriously. And I'm not saying they didn't, but. Yeah, but I think if you don't, that's the part that you get worried about.

Why wouldn't you take that seriously? Yeah. You know, just to brush it off and like, that's just, that's what he does. He's just kind of like that. Yeah, I don't know that they did that. I think they knew this guy was a bad C. Yeah. at least her grandmother and her uncle.

Yeah. Now, what Tracy was trying to do, I don't know. Either she really couldn't stay away from him because she deep down truly loved him. Or like you said, maybe she was trying to diffuse it. Yeah.

Deescalate it before it got worse. I don't know. But this brings us to the night of April 16th. Like I said, this is like two weeks, right? Basically burns her car on the first. burns it again on the 16th.

Yeah. She's going to be dead by the, it's technically the 17th the morning. Right. It's not a long time. No. And she just broke up with him like, what, the month before? 30 days back. Yeah.

He did not wait very long. Yeah. So on this day, Lee's very upset about the separation from Tracy. Again, despite the fact that it was well known, they were still seeing each other every once in a while. But on this day, he had been drinking pretty heavily with one of his buddies. Okay. Reports Gibbs were that between the two of them, they drank two and a half cases of beer.

Two and a half cases of beer. A lot, man. That's a lot. Yeah. 24 in a case, right? Yeah. Unless you go with one of those big Coors Light like 30 packs or something. But I'm just assuming.

Normal case. This is a normal case, 24 beers and then some. Because it was two and a half cases. Yeah. So, I mean, they each had a case of their own. At least and probably more. Each of them probably had more. Yeah.

It was also said that he was smoking a little bit of crack cocaine. Well, there you go. So. Beer didn't get them there. The crack cocaine topped it off. Let's just assume the guy drank 30 beers. Yeah. And had some crack cocaine.

crack. That seems like a lot. It's a disaster waiting to happen. His buddy later testified at trial that Lee had been trying to call Tracy a bunch of times throughout the day into that night, but he couldn't get a hold of her. And that was ticking him off. Sure, probably just kept escalating up, you know. Well, along with the 30 beers. Yeah, every four more beers.

Crack rock. Crack rock. So his buddy said that he went to bed around 10.30. Lee left took five cans of beer with him when he left. Because, you know, after you've had 30, 40 beers. Right. You need a roadie or five. Gotta have a roadie.

Yeah. To take with you. He stopped somewhere along the way. He's out driving. Yeah. After all of this drinking. 30 plus beers, a little crack and still driving. And took five more drinks.

those, then he stopped and got a six-pack. Because you got to, you know, I just need one more sixer. You got to keep the buzz going. Dude, that's not keeping a buzz going. That is, I don't remember my name for three days. If I drank that much, I'm telling you. It's like 40 beers by the time he's done. Yeah, that's a lot.

And he is out driving the neighborhood looking for Tracy and stops and gets another six-pack. Just because. when you say somebody's an alcoholic, right? What do you think about? Okay. They drink too much. They drink every day. I don't know what the exact definition of an alcoholic is.

To me, if you drink 40 beers at a time, you are, if there's something higher than an alcoholic, that's, that you're it. I mean, that's definitely a binge drinker, for sure. For sure. And if they do it on a consistent basis, I would say they're probably an alcoholic. Because I think that's part of the definition, right? The consistency of the drinking. I drink a lot in college, but never would I have dreamt of drinking, you know, 30, 40 beers. I just never would have been able to do it.

And you want to call yourself the tank? And you want to be my latex sells me? Yeah. So. Yeah. I did that once, never do it again. It didn't go well. Never does.

I hate to have to fire you, too. It's such a bad experience. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, you can't be my latexels. ex-salesman anymore. Nope. So I mentioned it.

Lee's driving around. He's shit-faced. He's angry. And the alcohol couldn't have helped. My assumption Gibbs is he started out ticked. Yeah. You know, 10 beers in. You're pissed.

20 beers in. You're more than pissed, whatever that is. And at some... The reason he kept on getting more beers. And at some point, you are, you're furious with this person after. 30, 40 beers. Yeah. You know, the anger is just bubbling up inside. So as he's driving around looking for Tracy, he drove by her grandmother's house. He drove by the place that she worked. He even drove by some bars looking for her car. No luck. It's a lot of driving for a guy that's had

that much alcohol. It is. During one of the drivebys of Tracy's grandmother's house, house, her uncle, Tracy's uncle, saw Lee and allegedly threatened him. My assumption is he's driving pretty slow, right? Going by the house, doing a drive-by, looking to see who's home. Scoping it out. Scoping it out. Her uncle saw him and threatened him to stay the hell away. People that have drank 30, 40 beers, maybe they're not scared off very easily. It didn't work. This guy had consumed a walk-in cooler's worth of alcohol, he thought, I don't care, I'm going to do what I want. Yeah, I mean, you can't discount the crack, you know? Oh, yeah, I forgot.

I keep forgetting about the crack. Crack is going to take it to another level. Yeah, it probably really, it really did. So what he did was he drove to a gas station and he filled up a some type of tea jug with gas, which is against the rules. Everybody knows you're only supposed to use approved containers. He broke the law right there. He broke the law.

Or at least the law of the gas station. I don't know if that's a real law, but it says so on the pumps. And they take it pretty seriously. So he put some gas in some type of tea jug. He got some towels. You know, the towels they have at the island. Yeah. To wipe off the squeegee after you squeegee your windshield.

He took those towels and he shoved them into the mouth of the bottle. Okay. he also bought a cigarette lighter. I think we can all see where this is heading. What do you call those cocktails? Like a Molotov cocktail. Yeah, kind of.

Most time people use bottles, but I guess you could use a tea jug. It would still work. I think the reason why you use bottles is because a bottle breaks. Yeah. Don't get the same impact if you throw a plastic one, it just bounces around. Yes.

Yeah. Not, yeah. If you're trying to make a real Maltaf cocktail, I think you're supposed to use a bottle. Right. So he's got this contraption that is essentially, like you said, a Molotov cocktail. And he puts it in the car. He drives back towards Tracy's grandmother's house again.

I think the thought process is Gibbs, he knows she's going to be there at some point. She's staying there. Right. So he's just going to keep going back until eventually he'll catch her there at the right moment. He doesn't. But he does see her car on the. the way. So he gets her to pull over. The two of them start to have a conversation. I think he even got into her car at one time. And you can imagine how this conversation went. He tried to talk Tracy

into moving back in with him. She wasn't having it. I think she was done. She probably tried to reason with him at first and then realized he was his two shit-faced and whacked out that he wasn't going to go nowhere. You ever tried to reason with a guy that's had 40 beers and smoked crack? I mean, I tried it with you last week. It did not go well at all. I didn't help, did it? No. I still got my way.

Whatever the conversation was. I know at least part of it was, I love you, please come back, move back in. Right. She said no. And I think that infuriated him even more. Well, he was ready for that answer. He was ready for the no. Yeah.

Why else would he have? have the gasoline. But he also apparently asked her a question. He asked her if she was pregnant, which there really wasn't any context that I could find around the question. I don't know why he thought maybe she was pregnant. But he said that if she was, she couldn't have another abortion. Now, this comes out from him later on. Sure. Right. I assume he's telling the truth about this part. I don't know why he would lie about this. It did come out in trial that Tracy had two abortions. Okay.

One in 85. I think the other one was in 1990. So I don't know why. He didn't want her to have another abortion if she was pregnant. She wasn't. And I'm not sure why he was under the impression that she was. Well, maybe if she said, yes, I am. Maybe then he wasn't willing to go follow through.

maybe he wanted to make sure that she would be able to birth the baby. You're saying maybe he wouldn't have gone through. Exactly. I never thought about it that way. Well, since you're pregnant, I'm not going to do anything yet. Let me get my child from you. Then we'll resurface this later. I actually never thought about that.

I couldn't figure out why he was so interested to know whether she was pregnant because, as far as I know, there was no context to it. But that makes perfect sense. Yeah, that's probably what he was thinking. You know, I said it came out at trial that she had. a couple abortions. Again, I don't know what any of that means. It means more to me now based on your theory, not the fact that she had the abortions, the fact that he would ask it. But what happened was they got in a huge argument. Lee and Tracy, she told him to get out of the car. He said, you know what, you get out of the car because I'm going to burn it. Yeah. He also reached into her car,

grabbed the keys, and chucked him. So he said, you know, you're not going to. went anywhere. Yeah. Now this is him. Some of this is him telling the story. Right. So you got to you have to take some of it with a grain of salt. Right. They would find the keys like 30 yards away. So that part's probably true. What's up in the air and we'll get into it as we go is whether or not he told her to get out of the car. Right. Because what he did next was he went back to his car, got this jug of tea or tea jug that was filled with gas. Yeah. He lit the paper. towels that were stuffed into the mouth, and he threw it into Tracy's car. It's brutal. It really is. And it's, and it's, I'm saying it up front, it's brutal as we go through it.

Anytime you use gasoline, the way it travels, fumes, just the liquid itself, right? It's, it's so rapid. So he throws this in. Yeah. This car goes up just like that. And a woman down the street says that she, saw a fireball. That's the way she described it. It looked like a fireball to her. So she looked out. She saw that, but she also saw a black car speeding away, a black car that would later be identified as Lee Halls. She called 911. Emergency personnel responded to the scene. But before they even got there, this woman's son went out to see what was going on. He saw the car on fire. He heard someone inside the car screaming.

He later described it Gibbs as he was peering through the driver's side door. Keep in mind, the driver's side door was open. He's peering through it. The car is so engulfed in flames, he can't see anyone in this car. That's how full this car was of just fire. Right. And I really, that really hit me. You can really visualize when you hear this guy talk about it that he just, he couldn't see

anything in there. Yeah. Just a wall of fire. So he ran around to the passenger side. And by that time, Tracy had gotten into the passenger side. She was trying to climb out the window. Right. He helped her out of the car.

But he was also at the same time trying to help put out this fire. Yeah. It was all over. And it was pretty successful. Yeah. And in helping to get it out. When the Chattanooga fire department got there, the car was still engulfed in flames. Tracy was out, but she was burned on over 95% of her body.

Brutely. And like I said, the descriptions are extremely rough. It was said that her hair was melted. Her skin was hanging off of her arms. Yeah. That's how bad this was. It'll give you the shivers. I would assume Gibbs, and that's all I can do, that the pain would have been so bad that

she would have just passed out, right? That's what I would have thought. The pain was so severe. I think sometimes the adrenaline kicks so high up that they're zombie-like. Well, and that's what must have happened because she didn't pass out. she was awake the entire time. Yeah. They even said she was still pretty coherent.

She was talking to the firefighters. Yeah. It's hard to believe. And it reminds me of that on the soft case we had, you know, where they pulled up on the scene and she came, she was already outside of the burning car. And smoke was. Oh, yeah. As she talked, smoke was coming out. But the same thing.

She was burnt everywhere except on her. behind where she was sitting in the car and the bottom of her feet. That's exactly what happened in this case too. And that's how they know that she was sitting in the car. And it's also how they know that some of the things that Lee Hall says aren't true. Right. Right. We'll find that out later.

But one of the people that showed up to the scene was the same person that had investigated the fire back on April 6th. He later said that he didn't. even recognize Tracy. And he had seen her before. Yeah. Had no idea who it was because of how badly burned she was. But she recognized him. And she said, you know what? It's the same person. The same person that did it before, did it this time. It was Lee Hall. So she's able to name the person that attacked her. She said, he threw a gas bomb on me. He set me on fire. Imagine being the firefighter who, you know, you're looking at this woman.

She is burned so badly. You're like, how can you even talk to you right now? And she's telling you all of this stuff that later is going to be a big deal. Sure. Not that I don't know that they would have figured it out, but it can't get any better than the victim actually. Exactly. When it's coming directly from the victim, you know, to a reptable, somebody that can get on the stand. He's a firefighter.

He's not going to make something up, right? I mean, he's going to. So they rush. Tracy to the hospital. They had trauma surgeons. They had burn specialists, try to help her. But like I said, it was very bad. Yeah. They said her teeth were charred. Let that sink in. Terrible, man. Her tongue swelled up so badly, she couldn't keep it in her mouth. Yeah. But through it all, she never lost consciousness. This is what it amazes me. She was awake for it all. And she in, endured what you know had to be an unimaginable amount of pain. One of the doctors said that they

gave her every bit of pain medicine that they could without killing her. Sure. They gave her everything they could. It just wasn't enough. There wasn't enough. Pain medicine. Every sensory, every part of your inside and outside. Yeah. No amount that they could give her was going to make this pain go away. You know, unfortunately, the burns that she received, they were just too severe for her to recover. Tracy died at the hospital at 4 a.m. But like we said, it wasn't tough for the police to figure out who their main suspect was.

Right. She had told them before she died who it was. So they picked up Leroy Hall. And during their initial questionings, he denied having. anything to do with it at all. But eventually, as often happens, they, they wear him in lies. He admits to being there to playing a part. The question is what part? You know, he said he loved Tracy. He never would have hurt her on purpose. He said he only meant to burn her car. Right. So this is how the transition goes from I've never been there, or I didn't have anything to do with it to,

yeah, I burned her car. I didn't mean to burn her or I didn't try to burn her. At some point, he told them that he thought she had gotten out of the car, which this is very strange to me. He kept saying, you know, I never meant to hurt her. I only meant to burn the car. But he did say, I threw this jug of gasoline into the car. after Tracy laughed at me.

But I didn't mean to hurt her. Yeah, I didn't mean that to happen. I just don't get it. Yeah. You got to know what's going to happen. Yeah, you knew when you let go with that jug, what was going to do. Yeah. I mean, you lit it.

So police charged Lee with aggravated arson and first degree murder, which, you know, he deserves. He absolutely does. Yeah. First degree murder, man. I mean, it's exactly where it needs to be. Your math skills have global potential. As an actuary, you'll solve some of the world's most pressing problems while helping people to live better lives. Become an actuary through the society of actuaries and work anywhere in the world.

So the trial was held in 1992. The prosecution's main witness was the arson investigator. This is the guy that was at the both scenes. Right. He was at the scene of the April 6th fire. He was at the scene where, unfortunately, Tracy, was killed, he testified about the damage to Tracy's car in both incidents. As it relates to the April 16th fire that killed her, he testified that they tested her socks, her shoes, her clothing,

all of it. They found gasoline on. And another arson investigator from the state of Tennessee, he took the stand, testified that after reviewing all the evidence, it was his opinion that the gasoline had been poured directly onto Tracy. This was a big deal. This is very important in the trial because the defense was contending that Lee just threw it in the car, right? Kind of willy-nilly. Right. And all of these experts are saying, no, there's no way it could have happened that way. For it to expand the way it did. He had to have essentially dumped it directly on her.

So I think as a juror, you hear that. Either one. Yeah, it was done. Yeah, but now that you know that he probably poured it directly onto her, you know, and he's supposed to love her. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. If that's love, I don't want nothing to do with it.

Like I said, it's a big deal. The defense is trying to say he didn't. do it that way. He didn't throw it directly onto Tracy. And I'm sure that there is some distinction to be made here, Gibbs in the eyes of the law. But to me, if you throw a jug of gasoline into a car where someone is sitting. Yeah. Whether you walked right up to the window and you dropped it directly on them or you threw it in the passenger seat, if that person dies, I'm not really sure. that I see the difference. No, the guilt's there.

But I think in the eyes of the law, maybe there is. I'm sure there is. We know in every case there's always legal wranglings that go on. Yeah. You know, it happens in every trial. Lee Hall took the stand in his own defense, which is always strange and a lot of times comical. We get a kick out of that.

Now, he admitted to basically all the facts. Sure. as they were laid out. He had told police most of them. A lot of the facts came from him. But on the stand, he did say this. He said that he saw Tracy get out of the car. This was after he had thrown the tea jug.

Right. She was on fire. She got out of the car. She laid down. She rolled around. And the fire went out. So as he put it, he thought everything was okay. he thought she's all right yeah i got in my car and i left i didn't know what else to do yeah i scared

her she was okay i got out of there yeah but you know when you factor in all of the other people that were involved then i don't know if every single one testified but you know the the guy that came from down the street pulled her out of the window he pulled her out of the window all of that goes against what lee hall was saying and that guy has nothing to gain no saying that versus is, you know, Lee Roy does. I don't, to my knowledge,

didn't know Lee Hall, didn't know Tracy. Right. He just happened to come along and try to be a hero. And I, and I say that in a good way. He really did. So,

boy, I don't know. If I was a juror, I think this is one of the things that would really resonate with me. Mm-hmm. Number one, that you're lying. Sure.

Because we know it didn't happen that way. But even. if it was true that you were callous enough to see your ex-girlfriend on fire and think, eh, she's all right. I'm going to get in my car and drive away. She rolled the flames off so she can't be hurting. No, she's got to be okay. I mean, anybody would, even his lack of intelligence would know that if you've been in a fire,

you're going to have some burns. Yeah. You know, as a juror, you hear that. You're like, this guy, you can't be guilty. really yeah he thought she was okay yeah so he drove off that's all right makes sense sure no i think to me that would probably you know just be one more thing that kind of cemented right everything and and i don't know if it was for this jury but my assumption is they thought he was a lying sack of shit dumbass yeah probably which i believe he was i think so yeah i really do on march 11th 1992

The jury found Leroy Hall guilty of aggravated arson and first-degree murder in the death of Tracy Crozier. Two days later, I guess Gibbs, he started crying. Oh. Lee did. Yeah. When the judge handed down his death sentence, he started bawling like a baby. Sure. It took the jury about three hours of deliberating to come to the decision that he should be

put to death. Yeah. That's not that long. That's pretty quick. I think they were pretty sure. Pretty horrific. Yes. What he caused. So. Number one, I think they were absolutely sure that he did it. Yeah. And number two, I do think they looked at the horrificness of this crime and said, if anybody deserves to be put to death, it's probably this guy. Yeah. And because, you know, I mean, this is one of those cases where some people would say, shouldn't he get the same? You know, I thought about that. You know, but that would never happen. No, they're not going to light him on fire.

But I actually thought about that as I was researching. You know how, and I don't know if it's the same, but it might, in some states it might be. It used to be that death row inmates had an option. Right. They could pick from in some states. Firing squad, hanged, or whatever. I'm sure being downed. house with gasoline and set on fire was not one of them.

Yeah. But, you know, if you're part of Tracy's family, and I hate to say it, if it was my daughter, I think I would want him to go out that way. Yeah, I think I'd be like that movie with, um, law-abiding citizen, where you kept him, you know, because what he did is someone you cared so much about, you would want to make sure he felt every bit of pain that that person felt. Maybe I wouldn't if it really came down to that, but I would, I can see. see how somebody would want that. Yeah, you're right. You're right. Yeah. So he was supposed to be executed

in 2016, but he received a stay. And he's actually had a few different dates that have come and gone. Yeah. So he's still sitting on death row right now with Krista Pike. That's why I mentioned Krista Pike. Okay. Yeah. Rumi's, huh? In different facilities, obviously. Yeah. But, But now, I don't want anybody to take this the wrong way because I know there's nobody that's going to feel sorry for Leroy Hall, but I did want to talk about how unnerving do you think it would be to have a date where they say, you know what? You're going to die on such and such date. All the days leading up to that date, you're soiling your tidy whiteys.

Yeah. And then all of a sudden you get a stay. and then it happens again. And you have all these days leading up where you're, again, I don't feel bad for this guy. But what if you get your last meal multiple times? No, I think, well, I don't know. I think you only get it when they're pretty sure. Yeah.

I could be wrong because usually the last meal doesn't happen the day before. Yeah. And there are some people that get a reprieve on the day of their execution. So would you get another one or would they say, you know what? You already got your gelatin and your shower crowd or whatever the hell it was. We talked about somebody got. You got your hot dogs and sour crowds. Shut the hell up.

You're not going to get it again. My assumption is you would just get what everybody else got. Probably. They're not going to go all out again. Yeah. I would hope not. But I just, I thought about that, you know, having multiple stays of execution, especially getting up really close to the date.

But you know what? For him, it matches what he did. intimidated her with the first fire, stalked, did it with the second fire. And then the third fire, you know, unfortunately, he did what he did. Yeah. Either way. Maybe this third thing, you know, he won't get his stay and things will be done. The key factor is nothing that he's gone through could ever be anywhere near as agonizing as what Tracy went through.

Yeah. I mean, we described it. Yeah. Some of that shit was horrific. You wish someone could... So horrible. Someone could invent a machine that you put your hands in, anything you did to somebody else. It would do to you?

You would fill it inside, right? Oh, but it wouldn't actually do it to you. Yeah, but you would fill it. So you would experience what they had to fill, you know, at least you can say... Why don't you invent that? You could make all kinds of money. Maybe I'm working on it. You just told everybody.

That's like that damn murder flip house idea that we had. I know, man. It's all over to play. Now they're doing it. But at the end of the day, as far as I know, and it said he was still on death row, the guy's still breathing. He's getting his three meals a day. Yeah.

He took all of that away from Tracy. And I don't know. I don't know if he'll ever be put to death or not, if and when, who knows. Right. Right. They could overturn his death sentence. It happens all the time. Right away there.

He could end up having it transformed to a, to a life sentence. But I just thought it was one of those cases where not a serial killer, you know, a person that killed one individual, but you could see what kind of led up to it. And the act itself was extremely horrific. Oh,

terrible, man. All right, Gibb. So that was our Patreon episode on Leroy Hall Jr. Now, the one thing I will say is since we did that episode, Leroy Hall has been executed. He's gone.

Yeah, it happened in early December of 2019. Yeah. From what I read, he developed glaucoma over the years, became functionally blind. He was only the second blind person to be executed since the reinstatement of the death penalty in 1976. But the one thing I found fascinating was that he actually chose the electric chair over lethal injection. Really? Yeah. Now, why in the world, if you had the choice between the two of those, how many people would choose to be fried instead of having the cocktail of drugs that puts you asleep?

I'd rather have the cocktail. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I don't think many people would make that decision. I saw the Green Mile. I know what happens. I did too. We had some voicemails. Yeah.

So you want to check those out? Let's hear them. Hi, this is Grace from Hawaii again. I just finished all the unsolved episodes, and then I heard my voice now, and I was so excited. Oh, my God. I was so excited. Anyway, I finished all the unsolved. I finished all the solved.

Now I'm, like, on track to everybody else. Gosh, I wish I found you guys earlier. I started criminology, and I absolutely love it. It's really the setup, the detail, morph is amazing. The interviews are great. but I wanted to let you know that I got my husband stuck on you guys. He really loved criminology. He won't ever call it because he's such a computer introvert.

But anyway, I just wanted to call and tell you, thank you for the shout-out, and I appreciate everything that you guys were doing. And, yeah, that's it. Aloha. Bye. Aloha. Aloha. That's cool.

She listens to everything. Got her husband into it. I mean, really, if you think about it, that's how a podcast grew. Right. From people who like to show, kind of telling their friends or spouses or things like that. We definitely appreciate it. Yeah, we do. More people you tell, the better off.

It is for us. Hey, guys. I just want to say that I appreciate all the things. All the things are doing. My name is gosh. I'm Oklahoma. No, guys are there for me all the time. I want 10-hour days all three out of the week.

I'll give me through my days. I'll get me through my kids running around being crazy. I can calm them down and be able to sit there and listen to all. And you're going, just like that's weird and crazy for listening to the T-Cat and the true crime stuff. But, hey, I love it. It's something that I would rather spend being with y'all guys than anybody else. I just want to say, thank y'all, and keep your own time to. Well, that's cool.

Yeah, and we appreciate you listening. I think there is a trend, right, or a common theme where if you're into true crime, none of this is weird at all. No, you talk to people like you, they'd be like, no, this is great. No, they don't think it's strange. They're into it too. Right. Now, people are into it for different reasons.

Sure. But if you talk to somebody that doesn't like true crime or they're not into it, yeah, they might find it a little strange that you listen to X number of episodes a day. I think you're a little jacked up. Yeah. But us in the community, you know, it's, we're one big happy family. That's right. Hey, Mike and Gibby.

This is Stephanie Evans, reaching out from Ventura, California. I'm actually listening right now to the Unsolved series, and I'm on episode 83 about the murders of Russell and Shirley Dermond. But you guys are talking about the time that Gibby spilled a gigantic soda in your brand new vehicle after it was just rear-ended. And I was finally able to catch my breath from left. because you guys had me dying, laughing over the story the way you told it. I just thought I'd let you know.

You guys are my favorite. Give you, I hope you're feeling better soon. If you're not already feeling better. And yeah, thanks for all you do. Keep your own time ticking. Bye, guys. Oh, that was a good memory right there. That supersized.

Oh, my gosh. Sprite all over. You know, the family still talks about that. That was like one of the first really nice vehicles I had ever purchased brand new. It was sweet, man. For some reason, I allowed you. you in the car. I allowed you to have a drink. You chose to put it, hold it with your shoes. Well, yeah. For some reason on the floorboard. Floor board. Yeah. Now, what I will say is we had a ton of

emails and a ton of voicemails. Yeah. Wishing you well. And so I couldn't play all of them. Sure. So I wanted, wanted people to know if you left a voicemail, not all of them will get played. But we had a lot. But we appreciate them. I appreciate it. And I know you appreciate it. Yeah. Hey, Mike and Gibby. This is Robert Buckels out of Iowa. First and foremost, I'd just like to wish Gibby, uh, beating recovery.

And also to tell you that I'm fairly new to your podcast here, just two or three months, but I pretty much caught up on all the TCAT episodes. And, you guys, you guys really knock it out of the ballpark. And two of you together are pretty great. I grew up in, uh, just a suggestion in her. I grew up in Washington State, and as you know, we got a couple of infamous killers out there. But one that I didn't see that you've covered yet, and you may be on your radar, is Robert Lee Yate out of Spokane. Back in between 75 and 91, he killed some sex workers back there.

We made it particularly interesting about him. He actually buried one of them right outside his wife's window while she was sleeping. And he's just a normal Joe Blow guy. I thought you might want to check into that one. Anyway, keep your own time ticking, man. Take care of it. Nope, we have not done him, but he is on the list. Pretty nasty killer, who I know we'll cover at some point.

We'll get there for sure. Gibbs, we had some mailbag to our good buddy, Victor Martinez. Actually sent us a while back, but I've waited for you to be here. Yeah. Send us some serial killer playing cards. Awesome. And a genuine Victorian penny. Really?

That would have been circulated around the time of Jack the Ripper. That's awesome. It's very cool. It's like in a leather bound case thing. Yeah. Appreciate that. Very cool from Victor. Elizabeth Gunnaca was so worried about you Gibbs that she sent a huge box of Twizzlers.

Oh. Some Twizzler socks. Yeah? And a K-bar bottle opener. I love it. I know. You opened it. You were very happy.

Yes. And then Cherie sent you a care package as well. A book, some soup and a candle. Just all get well. Very soothing. You can use all of that as you take your bubble baths. Absolutely. As I know you do.

Yeah. All right, buddy. Let's get out. I really appreciate you coming in. I know the listeners are so happy to hear from you. I appreciate all of them. And we'll see where we end up next week. But I have high hopes.

I think you're going to continue to get better and better, you know, day by day as you have been. So that is my hope. Hopefully my pomenologist or psalmoneri dot, whatever they're called. Yeah. Oh yeah.

That's very close. Yeah. Hopefully she'll... Your palm reader. Yeah. Palm reader too. Yeah. She'll whip me in a shape.

Yep. So that's it for another episode of true crime all the time. So for Mike and Gibby. Stay safe and keep your own time ticking.