True Crime All The Time - Maliek Kearney

Episode Date: September 4, 2023

Karlyn Ramirez, a young mother and a member of the US Army, was found dead in her home in August 2015. Karlyn’s husband, Maliek Kearney, also in the military, was stationed at a base in ano...ther state and appeared to have a solid alibi. Still, investigators discovered that he plotted to kill Karlyn because she wanted to end the marriage. Join Mike and Gibby as they discuss Maliek Kearney and the murder of Karlyn Ramirez. The two had only been married for about five weeks at the time of Karlyn's murder. They had never lived under the same roof due to being stationed at different places. What came out in the investigation was a web of deceit and cover-up that led back to Maliek Kearney.You can help support the show at patreon.com/truecrimeallthetimeVisit the show's website at truecrimeallthetime.com for contact, merchandise, and donation informationAn Emash Digital productionSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:00:33 Hello everyone and welcome to episode 348 of the True Crime All the Time podcast. I'm Mike Ferguson and with me as always is my partner in true crime. Mike Gibson, give me, how are you? Hey man, I'm doing, your name, go. Yeah, you want to try that again? Go ahead. I'm not cutting it out. So go ahead.
Starting point is 00:00:51 I don't know why it dragged out like that. Hey, I'm doing okay. I obviously besides my, uh, whatever that was. Yeah. Yeah. So you and I just got done doing our weekly Patreon thing and you were on fire. Yeah. It was interesting to say the least.
Starting point is 00:01:06 So if you're a Patreon member and you haven't either watched or listened to what came out on Saturday, definitely do it. Because Gibby was, he was on fire for sure. And I also talked about my daughter going to the cadaver lab. Yeah. And big balls. And yeah, that's part of it. Yeah. Let's go ahead and give our Patreon shoutouts.
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Starting point is 00:02:31 What's going on, Jay? So we appreciate that new support. And then if we go back. into the vault. This week we selected James Rote. What's James. Hangin with us all this time. Yeah. I appreciate the long term Patreon support for sure. And we had a couple of great PayPal donations from David Regan. Hey David. And Matthew Waylon. What's going on,
Starting point is 00:02:52 Waitland? Yeah. So thanks to everyone. Gibbs right now on true crime all the time on salt. We have an episode out on Elizabeth Salgado. This was a 26 year old woman who traveled from Mexico to Utah to attend a language school and less than a month after she got to the States. She went missing. It's an interesting story. By the way, she does not look 26. She looks like she's maybe 18. Looks very young. Very young for her age. But it's a tragic story. We're dive into it. And let us know what you think. Yeah, definitely. Check it out. Let us know what you think. All right, buddy, are you ready to get into this episode of true crime all the time? I am so ready.
Starting point is 00:03:38 We are talking about Malit Kearney. Carlin Ramirez, a young mother and a member of the U.S. Army, was found dead in her home in August 2015. Carlin's husband, Malik Kearney, who was also in the military, was stationed at a base states away and appeared to have a pretty solid alibi. but investigators discovered that he plotted to kill Carlin because she wanted to end the marriage. Because, you know, when you went out of a marriage, instead of just getting a divorce and ending it that way, let's just go kill my partner. Yeah. Yeah. And divorces happen all the time.
Starting point is 00:04:20 They do. They're not easy. They're not. In fact, they're very difficult. I think what we often see is that, especially when men kill their wife, lives most of the time it's it's just out of pure greed they don't want to give up money or you know it can be because they don't want to let the person go there are a number of different reasons for it but at the end of the day none of them make sense no no i mean if you want out go to the attorney
Starting point is 00:04:51 and get out because what do we always find out they do this they end up getting caught and And now you go to prison for the rest of your life or some time. A long period of time. So Carlin Ramirez was born on April 10, 1991. She grew up in Del Rio, Texas. She enjoyed hunting and riding horses. She was also an athlete and participated in volleyball, basketball, and cross-country. Her mother, Susan Ramirez, told the Maryland Gazette, she was a risk taker.
Starting point is 00:05:28 She really didn't have any fear like me. Well, a lot of this, you know, the volleyball, the cross country, a lot of it sounds like you. Now, if I was describing my daughters, I wouldn't exactly use that phrase. Right. They're not no fear types. They'll take on and tackle a lot of things, but there might be some trepidation. Yeah. They're not going to just run headfirst into it.
Starting point is 00:05:57 They're overthinkers. They're, you know, they like to analyze things. I think my daughter is kind of like your daughters, you know, but my son's different. Mm-hmm. But he just kind of goes for it, doesn't he? He does. And he has this like no pain threshold too. So, I mean, just the other.
Starting point is 00:06:14 How do you know that? Yeah. All those years. That doesn't make you sound good. But even just the other night, he called me and said, And he, dad, what do you think about this thing on my elbow? And he sent me a picture. And he was telling me that him and his girlfriend were coming back with a pizza from
Starting point is 00:06:33 the pizza place. And because that's where you get pizza from the pizza place. From the fried chicken place. Yeah. So he added up in his hand and they couldn't wait to get back to his apartment to eat it. And somehow he tripped on something. He gets that from me.
Starting point is 00:06:48 And when he fell, he like, he saved the pizza though. But by saving the pizza, he ripped his elbow open. And he said this picture to me, which was disgusting. It was all pussy. But he contacted you because you're a doctor. Because I'm a doctor at a young age, and he wanted to know what should he do. Of course, I'm like, you should go seek medical attention, but I knew he wouldn't. So I'm like, well, if you're not going to go seek medical attention, then go ahead and buy a big thing of hiding peroxide, dump it all over it.
Starting point is 00:07:21 you know, and allow it to dry out and go from there. Go from there, you know. I don't know what's what's funnier, the way you just said hydrogen peroxide or the fact that anyone would take their medical advice from you. Oh, both of them kind of cracked me up. Carlin graduated high school in 2009. She attended the University of Houston and studied criminal justice about three years into her degree. She decided she wanted to join the army. So Carlin joined the army in February
Starting point is 00:07:57 2013. She was assigned to several bases, including Camp Humphreys in South Korea. Wow. You hear a lot of people will join the service before college to get their college paid for. Right. I don't know if I've heard a lot of people that join after being in college or university for three years. So it's unique, I think, for me. Yeah, I mean, I think. unless you had that going in, right? And you took ROTC or some version of that in, in college, with the notion that once you joined, you would be a higher rank, I guess, because you had a degree. Yeah. Is that a thing, I'm assuming? I don't know. I think I would go in as a higher rank anyway, because I'm really good at battleship, the game. Yeah. Makes a lot of sense. Yeah. But think about,
Starting point is 00:08:46 you know, growing up in Del Rio Tech. Yeah. And then finding yourself in South Korea. Now, you're on a base. So you're somewhat insulated, but you talk about two different worlds. Talk about different foods too, right? I assume so, yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:09:07 But it was at Camp Humphreys that she met Malik Kearney, an army sergeant first class. Malik enlisted in the army in 2000. According to the Army Times, Kearney worked as a chemical, biological, radiological, and nuclear specialist. I wonder if that's like typed out on his fatigue? Yeah, that's a lot. I can see you searching for the. That's a lot of things to be a specialist in.
Starting point is 00:09:35 Yeah, I don't know that all of that is listed on what you wear, but it is a lot, right? Chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear. Throughout his career, he earned numerous awards, including Army Commendation medals, Good Conduct Medals, campaign stars, and the Global War on Terror Expeditionary Medal.
Starting point is 00:09:59 So sounds like he was a pretty good soldier. Very decorated. Very decorated. According to her sister, Roxanna Ramirez, Carlin fell completely head over heels
Starting point is 00:10:10 for Malik. However, she was Malik's subordinate. And this type of relationship is frowned upon in the army according to a prosecutor. And it kind of is in most places.
Starting point is 00:10:25 I think some companies today probably have a no frattingizing or whatever you want to call it policy. Well, I think most companies probably have something in place where the boss is prohibited from a romantic relationship with a subordinate. now can you date a coworker on your same level i think at most places you probably can yeah probably some places might have some regulation against that but i would say most places are not cool with you dating your boss because number one there's going to be favoritism sure and i think number two it opens up the possibility for you know that relationship to go sour and some type of litigation down the road, kind of thinking about the office when Michael was dating Jan and they had to sign that
Starting point is 00:11:26 contract and all that, basically saying that he gave up all his rights and that if the relationship went bad, he couldn't sue Dunder Mifflke. Right. Miss that show. You know, you can watch it on Peacock anytime you want.
Starting point is 00:11:41 I don't have Peacock. That costs money. Oh, that's true. I'm sure on one channel it's on like every day or one day a week they probably show a marathon. Corlin got pregnant months after they started dating and it was said that she was excited to have a baby because she had survived cervical cancer and was told she would probably not be able to have children. So I get that. You know, if you think there's a really good chance that because remember she's still pretty young.
Starting point is 00:12:13 Right. Yeah. That you're never going to be able to have children and then you conceive, I would think you'd be over the moon. Yeah, I think so too. Because you didn't expect it. You didn't think it was going to happen. No.
Starting point is 00:12:23 And on top of that, she's in love with this great guy, head over heels, right? Yeah. According to people who knew her, two weeks before Carlin was scheduled to come home. She was offered a job with the national security agency, the NSA. I'm not allowed to talk about that. I was going to say, the now. getting into your kind of area of expertise. Right. And I know there are certain things you can and cannot talk about, especially when it comes to all the three letter agencies with which you're
Starting point is 00:12:56 involved. I did sign that non-disclosure. Yeah. Or NDA. Yeah. Yep. She was stationed at Fort Meade in Maryland. Carlin moved to Fort Meade in 2015. She was a private first class in information technology specialist with Fort Meade's 742nd military intelligence battalion. Now, you know I've never been in the military. No. So a lot of this stuff is a little bit foreign to me. You know, when you think of a regiment, a battalion, all these different ranks, I get confused, man. I don't know what's higher than, you know, I get colonel, major, general. I understand all that. But there's a a whole bunch of them down in between private first class and yeah and yeah all kinds in between are you thinking i wonder if there was 741 italians before this one maybe i don't know
Starting point is 00:13:54 or did they just come up with a number catalia vale kernney was born in april of that year carlin and malic got married a few months later so malic was stationed at fort jackson south Carolina. Basically, he and Carlin were apart most of the time. According to retired sergeant first class, Leroy McDaniels, they got married because of their rankings. And they had to, quote, put something on paper because it was not allowed anymore. Okay. So they had to get married to be okay in the eyes of the government. Because if they didn't, they didn't put that on paper. It sounds like at that time, I don't know if it still exists. I'm sure it does.
Starting point is 00:14:38 They were violating some rule. Exactly. I mean, most people get married because they love each other and they want to go through that ceremony. But if you need to do it for other reasons, I guess that happens. But you're assuming that they didn't love each other. Maybe they did it for both reasons. I think people love each other. And sometimes they just don't want to get married.
Starting point is 00:15:01 Nothing wrong with that. You can love somebody and not want to be married. You can? Yes. You are making a lot of assumptions in this case. Yeah, no, we don't know for sure. But I agree with you there. You can love someone and not want to get married.
Starting point is 00:15:17 But I want to talk about being away from your spouse and your newborn child. I think it would be rough, man. It would be very hard. I remember right after my wife and I first got married, my job transferred me to, like, third shift. Yeah. And we just hardly ever saw each other. It was so tough for about six months, I think it was. But we still lived in the same house.
Starting point is 00:15:46 I mean, they're in different states. It'd be tough not seeing both of them, but especially that newborn, you know. Oh, yeah. Like, oh, my gosh. You want to get that newborn smell. Absolutely. Somebody sent me a picture through email of Baby Gibby. Oh, yeah?
Starting point is 00:16:02 They were joking. They didn't actually name the baby Gibby. but just the cutest little baby. And I just wanted to reach through the picture and hold him and just smell the top of his head. You know, you get that baby smell? Yeah, yeah. Oh, my gosh. They should have named the baby Kippie, though.
Starting point is 00:16:19 Well, it's, remember the person who called in and didn't have anyone else to tell that she was pregnant? Oh, okay. That's that person. Oh, congratulations. Yeah, congratulations. Big shout out to baby Theodore. aka Gibby. AKA Gibby.
Starting point is 00:16:37 It was said that Carlin and Malik had only been married for five weeks at the time of her murder. And they had never lived together. So I think we'll have to talk about that as we go through the episode and how it plays into what ultimately happens and the decisions that Malik makes. Carlin's sister Roxanna lived with her for a few months because she was lonely. But then Roxanna later moved back to Texas. At the time of her death, Carlin was living with a woman named Marissa,
Starting point is 00:17:12 who was also a young mother. Well, you know what? You need support. When you have those young ones, it's good to have support around you. Other people going through similar things, and you can rely on each other for emotional support. Yeah, I think I've said it before,
Starting point is 00:17:29 but when my wife and I had kids, we were very, very lucky. to have not only her family but my family all kind of living close. Yeah. We had such a network of support. And I think it would have been really difficult for us if we would have, you know, been living far away, many states away from, you know, all of our family. Now, I think one important thing to talk about is that the marriage experienced problems
Starting point is 00:17:58 very early on. And it's something that we hear quite often. After just two weeks of marriage, Malie. drove to Maryland to try to reconcile, but Carlin obtained a protective order that prohibited him from contacting her. So I think you get the picture of not just experiencing problems. I mean, these are major problems. It's huge, right? I mean, only two weeks after you got married, not looking good. No, and now I'm starting to think some of your assumptions are a little more on the mark. Yeah. You know, was she head over heels in love with him at one of
Starting point is 00:18:34 point. Yes, we know that because she told. She told people that. Right. We don't know his feelings on the matter, but could it have been that even at the time they got married, things weren't going all that well, but they really had no choice because of their ranks and their positions in the military that they basically had to, as the one guy put it, put something on paper. Right. This is what we have to do to protect our jobs. On August 25th, 2015. 24-year-old Carlin Ramirez was found shot to death in her townhouse in Severn, Maryland. Her roommate was out of the state at this time. Carlin was found in the upstairs bedroom of her home. Someone put a gun against her body and fired three shots, one in her side and two in her chest.
Starting point is 00:19:26 And Carlin's four-month-old baby was found unharmed next to her body. At first, patrol-off. officers thought the baby had been killed, but apparently she was just sleeping. What an unbelievable sight for an officer to come across. Yeah, because, you know, it was described that Carlin wasn't wearing pants and her underwear was pulled down around her ankles. She had some bruising and scratches, but her autopsy found that she was not sexually assaulted. There were no signs of forced entry or robbery in the townhouse. The murder weapon was missing.
Starting point is 00:20:04 not found at the scene. So you wonder why the body was found the way it was, right? With her underwear pulled down below her knees, makes you wonder, were they trying to set it up to make it look like? She might have been assaulted. Yeah, I definitely get where you're going because if there's no forced entry,
Starting point is 00:20:23 there's no robbery. Right. And it was determined there was no sexual assault. Then I think you start to believe that maybe that part was set up or staged. to try to throw somebody off. To make it seem as though this was a sexual assault that ended in murder, maintenance workers called the police that morning. After they saw two dogs running loose through the community,
Starting point is 00:20:50 the workers tried to catch one of the dogs, but it ran through an open glass door. The workers went to the front of the unit and received no answer, so they called the police. A neighbor who asked not to be identified told the Maryland Gazette that her husband was out walking around 6 a.m. that morning and a small dog kept following him. The dog scratched his leg and then ran towards Carlin's apartment unit. The dog ran back and forth between the man and the unit. He felt as though the dog was asking for help.
Starting point is 00:21:25 He knocked on the door next to Carlin's unit, but the resident said it wasn't their dog. He didn't try the next door, Carlin's unit, because he needed to go home to help his child get ready for school. Wow, man, dogs are amazing. Their ability to sense and try to do something. Yeah, they really are. We've talked about it so many times how fascinating and amazing dogs are. And then at the same time, my small Maltese can't find her bone, even though I threw it like three feet away from her.
Starting point is 00:22:01 Right. She's looking all over the place. Can't find it. Yeah, yeah. So I don't know if it's just some dogs or, or if it's in a situation such as this, that it brings out certain aspects or behaviors in a dog. I don't want anybody to think that my dog is not smart.
Starting point is 00:22:23 She is. Okay. That's why we named her Gibby. But what about this guy? You know, he's going out for a walk and this dog keeps coming up to him and running back and forth. than if he went to a different door. Who knows what would have happened? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:22:38 I mean, my assumption is he just wouldn't have, he wouldn't have received an answer and probably would have left anyway. But I don't know what you think. You think, okay, this dog's out. He's being playful.
Starting point is 00:22:51 He or she is being playful. I don't think you jump necessarily to, you know, Timmy stuck in a well. Right. Type of deal like with Lassie. Now maybe his mind went there. but I doubted because he laughed and probably just thought the dog got out trying to go back home.
Starting point is 00:23:10 Nobody will let him in. He can't let him in because, you know, obviously all he can do is not. Carlin called her mother and sister hours before she was killed. Roxanne Carlin's sister told Crime Watch Daily. She said, I don't know what is wrong. I don't feel right. I don't feel safe. Do you think my baby knows I love her?
Starting point is 00:23:32 I'm like, why are you doing? talking like this? What happened? And Carlin said, I don't know. I can't tell you. I don't know. So that's a very strange conversation between two sisters, you know, starts off with something's wrong. I don't feel right. I don't feel safe. Okay, right off the bat, that's alarming. It is. Why do you not feel safe? What is wrong? She's got that internal feelings, you know, like something's going on here. But when asked about it, she can't verbalize it. Yeah. She says, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:24:07 I think people get that sometimes, right? You can tell on the inside, there's just something wrong with this situation or something doesn't feel right. But you can't put your hand on it, but you just know something's wrong. Yeah. You know, I do believe in intuition to some degree. Yeah. I think some people, I'm not saying, I'm not throwing the word psychic around, but I do
Starting point is 00:24:32 feel as though there are people who get intuitions. And, you know, I've always kind of thought, well, listen to those. If you think something's not right, get the heck out of whatever situation you're in. That's more of a safety type thing. Your wife gets those. She does. Yeah. She's like, I can tell Gibby's coming over and not going to pay for dinner again. She gets that every week. Yeah. Carlin's mother, Susan, told True Crime Daily. She told me she was having a panic attack. And I said, Carlin, what's wrong? And she said, I can't discuss it. It's nothing I can discuss with you.
Starting point is 00:25:09 And so her mother automatically thought, well, it must be work. Oh, because she's with the NSA. Yeah, it's confidential. I can't discuss it. But maybe it was about her relationship at the time and not work. And yeah, it had nothing to do with work. But you could see why her mother maybe would brush that off thinking, well, She works with classified information, this and that.
Starting point is 00:25:35 So I get it. She can't talk about it. It must be work. Now, with most of us, that answer wouldn't fly. You keep pushing. Yeah, because there's no reason why, you know, I can't call my mom and say, you know, all of these things are going wrong, but I can't talk to you about it. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:54 I have no, nothing confidential. That's not going to work. But, yeah, podcasting is not confidential. Roxanne couldn't sleep that night. So she texted Carlin. Her phone indicated that she read the text, but she didn't reply. Susan called Carlin several times and she didn't answer. You know, I like that function of knowing when someone has read my text.
Starting point is 00:26:20 Yeah. What I don't like is when they don't reply because I already know you read it. And now you're not replying to me. Why are you looking directly at me about that? I'm looking at you. I'm also talking directly to my daughters if they're listening. That really bugs me. You don't like being put on red.
Starting point is 00:26:39 I don't. But they're so smart that they probably have it so that they can just read it and it still shows on red. Yeah. There's ways to do that. There is. I want you to know I read it and I'm working on my reply. Why get it for you? It takes time.
Starting point is 00:26:54 You got to get the dictionary out, the thesaurus and really, you know, you want to craft it. That's right. I mean, I go to God the grammarly and all that stuff. I get it. I get it. Now, Malik was a person of interest because the police learned Carlin was planning to divorce him. But initial evidence confirmed he was in South Carolina around the time of the murder. His Netflix account and cell phone activity supported his alibi. And we already said that the alibi kind of falls apart here.
Starting point is 00:27:26 So, you know, when you're thinking about Netflix, usage, cell phone activity. You know, you could even throw in like browser history, maybe even like an Xbox or PlayStation. Yeah. Being on and playing a game. I think all of that is good, but does it necessarily mean that the person who owns all of that stuff is the
Starting point is 00:27:56 one that's watching it? or did they just leave their cell phone behind and somebody else made a call or a text or something? Yeah, or somebody else is watching my next Netflix and it's not me, but maybe I gave my password out to somebody. Yeah. It's possible. So as far as alibis go, I get it. It's pretty good. But is it airtight? And I would say, no. I also don't think anymore that like a mom saying, that, well, my son was with me all night. Right. Is an airtight alibi. No.
Starting point is 00:28:34 Because how many times have we seen mothers lie for their sons or their children? It happens. Malik cried during his interview and said that Carlin was the love of his life. Well, that could be true. Doesn't make you a good person. You can still do bad things. Yeah, it doesn't mean you couldn't be a murderer. Now, it could also mean that he was a great actor.
Starting point is 00:28:56 That is true. because we have seen that numerous times. People put on a show and they really are good at it. They fool everyone as this grieving wife or husband. Malik told the police that he forgave Carlin for her relationship with another soldier before they got married. He also gave the police his bank records DNA and permission to search his apartment and car. His neighbor said that his vehicle hadn't left. left the complex. So he's pretty confident. He's, he's confident. He's also very cooperative.
Starting point is 00:29:34 Forthcoming. Yeah, he's giving up DNA and he's saying, hey, feel free to search whatever you want to search. He's acting like a person who's not guilty and has nothing to hide. And that's what you expect from somebody that's not guilty and has nothing to hide, right? Here's all my stuff. Look through it all. Take my DNA. I'm good. Yeah. No problems here. But I think you'd have to say, say he was very cooperative, right, with investigators. He gave up his phone, which proved he wasn't at Carlin's home when she was killed. That's kind of what we were talking about earlier, his cell phone activity. Well, I mean, it proves his phone wasn't there. Wasn't there. Doesn't prove he wasn't there. But Carlin's family took custody of the baby and Malik relocated to
Starting point is 00:30:22 Texas to spend more time with his daughter. Now, one of the things that we just talked to, about that was kind of a revelation was that Malik told police that Carlin was having a relationship with another soldier before they got married. They were still together. They just hadn't gotten married. Right. But he said, you know what? I forgave her.
Starting point is 00:30:45 So he's saying I was a big person here by forgiving her and going ahead and getting married. But they also had to do it just to have it on paper. Yeah, according to the one person. But, you know, are we now getting into the area of maybe why the relationship wasn't great? A little bit, I think. Could that have been the reason? And could we also be looking at the possible motive? Now, she's not alive to give her side of that story.
Starting point is 00:31:17 Yes, that's a good point. So we only have his account. It would take over a year for the police to make an arrest and car. Carlin's case. When investigators took a closer look at Malik's phone data, they saw that he had been calling and texting a woman named Dolores Delgado, who was Malik's girlfriend. When they looked into her phone records, they discovered Dolores was at his apartment complex in South Carolina at the time of Carlin's murder. So now we see that he wasn't up on the straight and narrow either. Yeah, there's a potential that they were both seeing other people.
Starting point is 00:31:56 I think he for sure was. Now, he told investigators that Carlin was as well. But what investigators did was that they traveled to Florida where Dolores lived and they confronted her with this information. Dolores admitted to being there, but said she and Malik were both at the apartment the whole night. You know, it's easy to get over someone cheating on you when you're cheating on that. cheated. Yeah. They tend to leave things out like that, right? I was the big person here. She was cheating on me, but I let it go instead of saying, well, the reason she was cheating on me is because I was cheating on her. If she was even cheating. Because we don't know that for sure. But it turned out that Malik had lied to
Starting point is 00:32:42 the police about what he was doing and lied when he said he had not cheated on Carlin. Because I'm sure that, you know, that was a question that was asked. And all of this put him under. heavy suspicion. So he would have been a person of interest right from the beginning. Sure. He's the husband, you know, the father of the child. But initially, I think police cooled on him because of his cooperation, his cell phone data, all of this. But when they learned about the girlfriend, I think that changed everything. Investigators also found out that Dolores had recently purchased a 357 revolver, which was the suspected murder weapon. That's a powerful handgun. Yeah. Yeah, 357 is a very powerful round. It also turned out that Malik had
Starting point is 00:33:38 deleted certain texts from his phone, but Dolores still had them. They were discussing gas mileage on the night Carlin died. Bank records showed that Dolores purchased two gas cans before the murder. So if you're discussing gas mileage and buying gas cans, why would you want to do that instead of stopping at a gas station to get gas? You mean on your way from South Carolina to murder your wife? Yeah. Because you don't want a financial record at a gas station.
Starting point is 00:34:14 You don't want to be caught on surveillance video. You don't want anybody seeing you. You don't want to have to stop. right if you don't have to so that's a way to do that yeah you wear a diaper you pee in a gatorade bottle i mean people have done all sorts of things oh yeah i mean you do that just on your trip down here and i we don't even live that far apart i don't know why but it's relaxing but killers have done that to try to get somewhere without stopping so that they're not seen or you know uh leave a financial trail. But obviously none of this is looking good, right? You've got the girlfriend. The girlfriend
Starting point is 00:34:55 buys a gun, same caliber as the murder weapon. She also buys gas cans right before the murder. On October 6th, 2015, 35-year-old Malik Kearney and 31-year-old Dolores Delgado were arrested in Texas. Two days earlier, they were indicted by a Maryland federal grand jury. for interstate travel to commit domestic violence resulting in death in connection with the death of Carlin Ramirez, according to the Baltimore son. And for me, what's frustrating is, why do this? You only been married for a few weeks. Get divorce. You have a child with her. Of course, you need to make support payments for the child, but outside of that, what else you're going to have? Maybe some alimony. I don't know, but.
Starting point is 00:35:46 A few weeks of marriage? Probably not. not. But I think you're answering the question. Child support alone. Some of these guys, they don't want to pay anything. And we see it time and time again. Yeah. Instead of making a monthly payment, no, I'd rather kill my wife. Take the risk. And then I'll get to be with my girlfriend. Maybe I'll get my child too. Yeah. Or maybe I don't want my child. Maybe the child will go to her family. I'll have all my money. Right. And I can live the new life that I want to live. It's sickening when you think about it. It is. You know, to murder anybody, but over such a reason as to not want to pay whatever hundreds or thousands of dollars it is. Yeah. Just, you know, suck it up. Yeah. You chose to have
Starting point is 00:36:42 that baby. That baby's yours. Be a man and do what you're supposed to do. But no, people want to take the easy way out. And for him, the easy way out was allegedly at this point in the story murder. Right. U.S. attorney Rod Rosenstein said, as quoted by the Baltimore son, the indictment alleges that
Starting point is 00:37:02 Malik Kearney and Dolores Delgado conspired to murder Carlin Ramirez. According to the indictment, Malik traveled from South Carolina to Maryland on August 24th, 2015 to kill Carlin. On October 18th, 2016, FBI agent Jonathan Schaefer testified that Malik shot Carlin on Monday, August 24th. Malik finished work in the early afternoon of the 24th and then drove to Maryland.
Starting point is 00:37:34 He entered Carlin's home with the spare key and brandished the 357 caliber revolver. Carlin attempted to calm him down, but told Malik she didn't want to see him again. So Malik shot Carlin three times. She was shot at point-blank range to reduce the sound. Belique took off her pants and pulled down her underwear to stage a sexual assault and then put the baby in her arms. Think about that. He took his own baby and decided, you know what?
Starting point is 00:38:06 I just killed my wife, the mother of my child. And I'm just going to allow the baby to cradle her and I'm going to leave. And I don't know when somebody's going to come by and find this body. so he didn't care about that baby at all. No, I think that's plain to see. He didn't care about his wife. He didn't care about his baby. But, you know, the assumptions that we made about the staging of the sexual assault were correct.
Starting point is 00:38:33 Yeah. Obviously, we knew they were. But, you know, you don't want to give everything away. But then he drove 500 miles back to South Carolina so that he would be on time for work the next morning. So what that meant Gibbs to back up your point was that the baby was left alone for almost eight hours. Well, the cow is already a piece of shit, but that just makes him a bigger piece of shit. You got a newborn who you obviously don't care about at all if you're willing to put the baby's life at risk. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:09 Obviously, you didn't care about your wife because you shot and killed her. I'm also thinking how big were these gas cans that they had to buy so he could travel 500 miles each way? Pretty big. Well, we don't know what kind of car he had. Well, that's true. But I'm also thinking the fumes as you're driving because I bought gas before in those cans. They're not airtight. No, so I'm thinking 500 miles, man, I'm going to feel either pretty good or if I'm going to have the windows down the whole time and who knows what my hair is going to like.
Starting point is 00:39:39 Maybe he had them in the trunk. Still. And it wasn't coming through as much. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe it had like a little Ford Festiva or, you know, something like that. Oh, yeah, or some of our favorite vehicles that got, you know, some good gas mileage. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:39:53 Yeah. But it turned out that he planned his alibi with Doris Delgado. She remained in South Carolina during the murder, but provided Kearney with a car, the murder weapon, and the gasoline cans. And she had a part in this. Yeah. according to the authorities, this is what happened. And it sounds like, you know, she was an accomplice. At the end of the hearing, a federal judge ordered Malik to be transferred to Maryland to a
Starting point is 00:40:25 wait trial. After the arrest, Dolores' ex-boyfriend called the police and reported that he helped her dispose of a gun in Florida, which he thought could be the missing murder weapon. They had thrown the gun into the water and disposed of other evidence. Okay, so now we got somebody else in the mix, which means that at some point, Dolores called an ex-boyfriend and said, you know what, I need your help. I need to get rid of a gun and some other evidence. But don't ask questions.
Starting point is 00:40:59 Don't ask any questions. And this guy was like, yeah, sure. Yeah. You know, we shared something once. I'll help you out. Until he hears something on the news. Why? Why would you even take a chance of,
Starting point is 00:41:12 of getting wrapped up into something, whether you knew what had happened or not, you know, there is such a thing as just saying, you know what, I'm not going to do that. Yeah. No. We literally have no connection. Right. We're not boyfriend and girlfriend. We had something at one point.
Starting point is 00:41:30 I'll pass on the disposing of murder evidence. Right. Potentially. Call somebody else. Police divers found the gun. And the FBI was able to restore. the serial number and matched the gun to Dolores. And it was after this that she agreed to completely cooperate with investigators.
Starting point is 00:41:52 Oh, I'm sure that whoever her attorney was said, hey, you're probably best at this point just to put all the cards on the table. You're in deep do-do. Yeah. And it would be in your best interest to cooperate fully. But here again, how many times do we see, you know, in these solved. episodes especially, people think they're so smart. Oh, they, they, they really do. You know, I've got this plan. I'll get a bunch of gas ahead of time. I won't have to make any stops.
Starting point is 00:42:24 You know, she bought the gun. They'll never connect it to me. We'll get rid of it anyway. And the authorities unravel the whole thing. Yeah. Well, you know, all those shows, everybody watches and they think they learn from those shows on how to commit the perfect crime. Guess who else watches just those shows. The authorities. Yeah. Also, those shows are completely wrapped in an hour. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:42:48 And so you can't go by everything you see on some of that stuff. I mean, Dexter was good, but I'm not saying following Dexter's, every move is going to ensure that you're not going to get caught. Probably not. On August 8, 2015, Dolores Delgado pleaded guilty in federal court to Interstate traveled to commit domestic violence resulting in death, she took a plea deal. So federal prosecutors would not seek the death penalty. And we see that time and time again. You know, when it gets to that point where the investigators are throwing so much evidence in your face that you and probably your attorney are saying, uh-oh, you know, we're in deep trouble. And then on top of it, there's that
Starting point is 00:43:39 looming threat of the death penalty. Okay, how much more incentive do you need to play ball? At least if you get life, there's a potential for parole down the road, maybe. Yeah, and you helped out. I'm sure that's taken into account. You provided evidence and you probably testify against the person. So Dolores admitted providing bleak with the gun, car, and gas cans. She was, living in Florida at that time, but she stayed at his apartment in South Carolina during the murder with his phone and his car. So it appeared as though he never left home. Again, some of this stuff is fairly smart. Right. If you think about it. Sure. But for me, I always think, no matter how smart you think you're being, there's something that is going to get you tripped up.
Starting point is 00:44:36 Somebody talking. Or you deleting your. message is off your phone, but don't forget to tell the other party. Hey, delete those off of your phone too, Dolores. Well, that's kind of my point. Can you think of everything? And my thought is most of the time, no. And thankfully so, or we'd have a lot less solved the murders than what we do. Dolores and her unidentified accomplice later dismantled the revolver and tried to erase the serial number. they also disposed of shell casings, Malik's clothing, and his key to Carlin's home. I'm assuming this unidentified accomplice was her ex-boyfriend, but they just never named him. I still don't understand what was in it for him.
Starting point is 00:45:21 Maybe he just really loved Dolores. Malik Kearney's trial started on July 16, 2018. The case was prosecuted by Assistant U.S. Attorney James Warwick. the defense was led by quasi-hawks. The prosecutors told the jury that both Malik and Carlin were unfaithful to each other during their short marriage. They lived in separate states and Carlin had obtained a protective order against her husband in summer 2015.
Starting point is 00:45:53 They also told the jury that Malik planned out the murder when Carlin tried to leave him. So we talked earlier about, you know, not knowing for sure. if what Malik had said was true that Carlin had been unfaithful. The prosecutor said that she had been during the trial. Yeah, sounds like both of them straight. Yes. The prosecution wanted to portray Malik as verbally and mentally abusive. He didn't want to separate from Carlin, even though they had both cheated on each other.
Starting point is 00:46:29 I wonder how Dolores felt about that. Yeah, because she's in this, right? too. Obviously, she must have cared about this guy a great deal. Yeah. To go to the links that she went to, knowing that he was going to kill his wife, two men testified about being involved with Carlin days before she was killed. Assistant U.S. Attorney Warwick also said Malik was furious when he learned Carlin was having an affair. He texted her over 900 times in two days.
Starting point is 00:47:04 And it was said that these texts range from pleas to threats. It's a lot of text messages. Dude, I don't know if I send 900 texts in a year. Probably not. I certainly could not send 900 texts over a two-day period. But what does that show you? A level of anger, obsession, you know, jealousy, kind of all that stuff mixed together that you're just repeatedly texting and texting and texting.
Starting point is 00:47:34 But if you're having an affair, she's having an affair. Why are you so mad? Yeah, and why are you trying to keep her? I mean, if you're having an affair with somebody else, clearly, you don't love. Yeah, you don't want to really be with her anyway. Yeah, that was kind of my thought, too. If you want her to win her back, you're not going to win her back by saying, yeah, I know I'm sleeping or seeing this other person, but I love you, baby. That's just not the way you would go about that.
Starting point is 00:48:00 Rosanna Rodriguez, Carlin's sister testified that Malik, called her about a month before the murder. He said, according to WBAL TV, if my sister could not be with him, she would not be with anyone else. She has to be with me. She's only going to be with me. And man, how many times have we heard that? Yeah. Obsession, man. You know, it's the same thing. It's along the lines of, you know, if I can't have her, nobody else will. If she's not going to be with me. She's not going to be with anybody else. It's all kind of along the same lines. But, you know, to me, and you talked about it, you touched on it, there's an added element here that he has someone else on the side. Sure. But yet he's furious that she does. Right. It's one-sided
Starting point is 00:48:53 in his mind. Yeah, I can do whatever I want. But not her. But not you. You have to be faithful only to me. while I'm stepping out on you. And this other thing about, you know, wanting somebody and not wanting them to have anybody else, look, if somebody doesn't want you anymore, they don't want you anymore. I wish people could get past that and just move on. We've had many cases in the past.
Starting point is 00:49:19 You know, either it's the, you know, the wife not wanting to move on or the husband, not wanting to move on, boyfriend, girlfriend, whoever, whatever. At the end of the day, if somebody doesn't want you, why don't you just move on by trapping them into the relationship or forcing them to be with you? You think that's going to work out well? Why would you want to be with somebody if they don't want to be with you anyway? What's that do for you? I get what you're saying, but I think in the minds of some of these individuals, it just is not computing that way.
Starting point is 00:49:53 Yeah. It's more like, I'm so angry. I'm so furious that I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm going to throw everything away if I can't have this person. All right. You don't want me. We're all going down or I'm going to take you out or, you know, whatever you want to say. And it's such a strange way of thinking. So it's very selfish. Yeah. No, I get what you're saying. There are a lot of people out there. And I get it. You're in love with somebody. Are you really? Because you're cheating on them already. But you want to be with them apparently. But if they don't, want to be with you. Hey, people meet people all the time. Sure. But I don't know why for some reason some of these individuals' minds don't work that way. They can't get past it. They can't move on.
Starting point is 00:50:44 Now, in contrast, the defense tried to portray Malik as a loving husband who wanted to keep his family together. The defense argued that he was trying to save the marriage and that Dolores Delgado was the real killer, Hawks presented a Facebook message from Dolores, which she sent after Kearney took a large number of sleeping pills because he was distraught about his situation with Carlin. Delgado wrote in the message, The Crazy Bitch is going to be put out. Now, this was in the Baltimore Sun. Obviously, they omitted the expletive. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:51:23 But I put it in there. You did. Because I think you want to hear it in its entirety. I think so. Well, I think Dolores did want her out of the picture, but I think so did he. Yeah. They worked together. Yeah, no, I think there was collaboration.
Starting point is 00:51:39 I don't think that she was ever going to be the one to kill Carlin, but I think she knew what was going to happen. Yeah. So this message that she's going to be put out, you can take that a bunch of different ways. Sure. I'm taking it as if she knows, what's going down. What's going down. What's been discussed. The other thing that I think about is the same thing I tell my girls all the time. Don't put stuff in writing on social media.
Starting point is 00:52:09 Even if you think it's a direct message or whatever sliding into someone's DMs means, I don't even understand half the lingo, but just be careful. Yeah. You know, the stuff that you think is private is not. It could eventually come out. just like all of this stuff came out. You know, as we're talking about this story, I'm thinking part of his defense could be that he didn't want to lose her, he didn't want anybody else to have her
Starting point is 00:52:39 and that they can shift it from him to Dolores instead of saying, you know, you both want it to be together and you want her out of the picture and this is how you went about it. Well, yeah, but the defense is never going to say that. No, of course not. So they're coming up with their version.
Starting point is 00:52:53 Sure. Try to make him look innocent. Well, so at the very least, you have to plant the seed of doubt with the jury. And they're trying to do it by saying, you know, now it was really Dolores. Yeah. Yeah, they were, you know, in cahoots a little bit. But it was Dolores who actually killed Carlin. Prosecutors also showed the jury a meme that Dolores sent Kearney days before the murder that said,
Starting point is 00:53:20 remember if we get caught, you're deaf and I don't speak English. So I think all of this is basically showing, you know, the planning. This wasn't like he just struck out that night. Right. And drove, you know, to her house to kill her. They had been talking about it, planning it. They knew what was going to happen. The mileage, the gas cans.
Starting point is 00:53:44 Everything, yeah. You purchased the gun. I think the one piece they missed was, Dolores, you delete your text messages. Yes. And maybe Facebook messages and all that. But again, I think even if. you delete some of that stuff. They can find it.
Starting point is 00:53:58 They can, they can figure out a way to, to pull it. Dolores Delgado testified on July 18th. She said that Malik knocked on the apartment door before sunrise on the 25th. He was wearing different clothing than what he had left in. Dolores said, as quoted by the Baltimore son,
Starting point is 00:54:16 he was nervous, standing up, kind of pacing. He had his hands on his head. He said, he couldn't believe that he just left her laying there. And I don't doubt that that's true. You know, I don't know that this man had ever murdered someone before. You know, there's no indication that he was a serial killer. Yes, he
Starting point is 00:54:38 planned it out. But once it actually happened, doesn't the panic have to set in? Yeah. The realization of what you just did, you had 500 miles driving back to think about it and replay it in your mind. And he says, he can't believe he just left her lay there and your baby too. And your baby too. Doesn't say anything about the baby, unless he was talking about the baby. But I don't know that he was. Dolores testified that she met Malik while serving in Iraq in 2007. the affair started before the marriage and continued afterwards.
Starting point is 00:55:20 She visited Malik at Fort Jackson in August 2015. He told her he was going to travel to Maryland to kill his wife if she didn't reconcile with him in two weeks. So that's when they began planning out how he would go about traveling without getting caught. She tracked the mileage on her vehicle to help him determine just exactly how much gas he needed. for the drive. But I find it weird that this woman, Dolores, you know, he's telling her, if I can't put this marriage back together, then I'm going to do this. Why would you, he just said he wants to put his marriage back together. But does that mean he's going to leave
Starting point is 00:56:04 Dolores? Because I get the feeling that this guy was, you know, I want it all type of guy. And she must have been okay with that because she was seeing him before and after his marriage. I don't think there was any part of this where he was going to reconcile, but not still be with Dolores. Right. What does that say about Dolores? Not great things. But it doesn't say great things about either of them.
Starting point is 00:56:31 So she allowed him to drive her Nissan Ultima because it was less conspicuous than his Jaguar. That is true. Nobody sees a Nissan Ultima and it's like, oh, man, did you see that Nissan Ultima? Right. It just kind of blends in with all the other cars. Yeah. Now a jaguar, okay, you don't see those all the time. Especially if it's the older make.
Starting point is 00:56:53 I'm wondering how much money this guy was making in the Army to afford this Jaguar. You just like spending money on cars. Maybe. Maybe like that little Jaguar thing on the hood. Mm-hmm. Ornament. So she purchased gas cans so that he wouldn't be seen stopping at a gas station. We talked about that, right?
Starting point is 00:57:11 There's only one reason to do it. Bleek's plan was to travel. on back roads and fill up on gas at a spot where he wouldn't be seen. The plan, I hate to say it, but it is fairly solid. He changed into black clothing and wore shoes that were too big with the reasoning that if he left a footprint at the scene, it wouldn't be his shoe size. Yeah. We've seen that we have in a number of stories. Bleak still had a key to Carlin's apartment. So it would be easy to get in. And obviously that's why when law enforcement got there, they didn't see any signs of forced entry. Well, they wouldn't have because there was none. He let himself in using a key.
Starting point is 00:57:59 He told Dolores that he would kill Carlin and her roommate if she was home and make it look like someone broke in and sexually assaulted the women. I'm guessing the roommate was glad she was not there that night. Well, like we always talk about. Okay. What goes through your minds when all of this information comes out if you're the roommate, that if you had made one different decision and let's say decided to stay home that night, you most likely would have been killed. Yeah. How much did he have to hate his wife to be able to say he was willing to kill the roommate to make sure this happen?
Starting point is 00:58:40 I don't know. This is a tough story because you use the word hate, but at the same time, He wanted to get back together with her. And for me, it's kind of hard to reconcile those two notions. If you don't get back together with me, I'm going to kill you. Yeah. I'm not seeing love anywhere in there. No.
Starting point is 00:58:59 So why do you even want to reconcile? I still don't know why they just didn't buy burner phones to communicate all this stuff and why they used their own phone. Well, you can't think of everything. Well, they did think of a lot of things. They left that one. Maybe it was a cost issue. Maybe.
Starting point is 00:59:14 maybe like you they didn't want to open their wallet and spend the 20 or 30 bucks or I don't know how much a burner phone costs or whatever that much no they can't be because people go through them like water that's why they call them burner phones burner phones so he left his phone with dolores and asked her to send a text and make a call to help establish his alibi delores went through malik's phone while he was gone and she became angry when she found pictures of other women, but still they continued their relationship until they were arrested in Texas. So she found out he was a player. She knew he was a killer.
Starting point is 00:59:53 Yeah. So to me, there's two angles there. Number one, you're cheating with me on your wife. Right. You're cheating with other women on me and your wife. And you just killed your wife. What's going to happen to me if I don't meet your ex. expectations. This is kind of like the whole, you know, you cheat with someone. That person leaves
Starting point is 01:00:20 their spouse for you. How do they know that you're not going to then cheat on them with somebody else? Because you're a known cheater. Exactly. But then yet she decides to stay with him anyway. Well, she must have cared about him deeply. Yeah. To go through all of this. It's okay that you were thinking about not leaving her from me. And then you ended up killing him. killing her. And it's okay that you have this other stuff going on with other women because end of the day, I know you're going to be with me at least one day out of the week. Dude, I don't know where people's heads are at half the time. I really don't. According to the Baltimore son, Dolores testified that she thought Malik would make up with
Starting point is 01:01:02 Carlin saying, I believe there was some chance of Carlin seeing Mr. Kearney and working things out. I told him that he wasn't going to do anything, that everything would be fine. Okay. Now, I got a cold BS on this because then why go out and buy the gun? Why do you need enough gas for the 500 mile dry? I mean, why do you need all that stuff? Why are you keeping his phone and make it look like he's there? Right. You know, if he really wanted to reconcile, just go and try to reconcile. If it doesn't work, you know, come on back home. Why you need to go. Yeah, that seemed like a such, that seemed like such a strange. thing to say. She also testified that she was worried, nervous, scared, and anxious. Okay, yeah,
Starting point is 01:01:50 I get that. You're involved in a murder plot. Sure. I think anybody would or should be. Prosecutor Warwick asked if she felt guilty. Delores answered yes. I could have called her. I could have warned her. I could have told her to leave. And I could have not bought the gas cans. And I could have not given him my car or bought the gun. Yeah. Now that she's probably being honest about. Delores continued her testimony the next day. She admitted in court that she lied about Kearney's alibi so he wouldn't get in trouble. She said, as quoted by CBS, if he couldn't have his family back together, no man was going to raise his daughter. He was.
Starting point is 01:02:33 Is that how he raises his daughter by leaving her with her dead mother? Right. She also talked about how she was upset, that he was close with. Carlin's family after the murder, he visited her grave and the family welcomed him after the loss. Dolores said, I was upset. He was playing this role of poor him, a widower, and letting her family comfort him. And these people are strange. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 01:03:01 They're upset about these little things in comparison to the murder. I think she was kind of jealous that the family was doting on him. about how he was feeling, you know, he put it on the show. Oh, sure, he did. You know, and I think she kind of got jealous of that attention. And it was said that Malik was distraught after the murder, even though he had decided he was going to kill both Carlin and her roommate, if necessary. Now, was he really distraught or was he acting distraught?
Starting point is 01:03:35 And those are two different things. I don't really know. But if you take someone's life. and it's not something you're accustomed to, I'm sure it's going to cause you some problems. He could have been distraught. Yeah. But was it for the reasons that everybody thought it was?
Starting point is 01:03:54 And my answer is probably no. He told Dolores he wanted to end his life and asked why she didn't stop him. So now he's blaming her for not stopping him to drive to go kill his wife. Dolores testified that Malik knew Carlin superior officer would check on her, if she didn't come to work. So he killed her on a work day because he didn't want his daughter left alone or hurt, according to CBS Baltimore. Yeah, but she was left alone for eight hours.
Starting point is 01:04:24 So, you know, it's hard to swallow that one. The defense tried to discredit Delgado's testimony. Bleek's defense argued that he came to work in South Carolina on the Monday before the shooting and the Tuesday after. Additionally, DNA was found on Carlin's body that has never been identified. Well, he did go to work on Monday and Tuesday. Sure. That was his plan all along.
Starting point is 01:04:54 That was part of his alibi. Now, what do you make of the DNA found on Carlin's body that's never been identified? I don't think that would be too uncommon. Well, it was said that she was seeing a couple of guys, maybe. Maybe it was theirs. We don't know where it was found. on what part of her body. How long it's been on her body?
Starting point is 01:05:16 Yeah, we don't know. But on August 9th, 2018, Malik Kearney was found guilty of crossing state lines to commit domestic violence resulting in debt. On September 7th, Dolores Delgado was sentenced to 17 years in federal prison. Now, 17 years is a lot, but it is a far cry from the death pill.
Starting point is 01:05:40 Sure is. And it's a far cry from life in prison, life in prison with no parole. So you have to figure that, you know, her playing ball and testifying against bleak earned her a significant reduction in her sentence. Yeah, to be out by 20, 35 or sooner, much better than never getting out. Her attorney, Elizabeth Oyer, told the judge that Dolores was. sexually abused as a girl and that once she joined the army, she was harassed and raped by a superior officer. She then fell in love with Malik Kearney. Oyer said that Kearney prayed on Dolores' childhood trauma.
Starting point is 01:06:25 She felt like she couldn't say no to him. Kearney had influence and control over her for almost 10 years. The judge said, according to the Baltimore son, whenever he wanted a girlfriend on the side, He could have her. In some respects, she was horribly used in all of this. Yeah, I can see that. I think there's a kernel of truth in that. Right. Now, could she have said no?
Starting point is 01:06:53 Yes. Yeah. I think the answer is yes. But citing all of these factors pointed out by her defense attorney and the judge, does it mean that she was less likely to be able to say no to Malik? possibly. Yeah, but she still do right from wrong. No, I agree with that.
Starting point is 01:07:15 I agree with that. I don't think they're trying to say she was innocent. I think they're trying to give mitigating factors. Yeah. As to why possibly she did what she did. Certainly will help down the road when it comes time for parole. Yeah, I would think it would. On November 30th, 2018, Malik Kearney was sentenced to life without parole by a federal judge,
Starting point is 01:07:39 plus 10 years for the use of a firearm in the commission of a crime. He was ordered to pay a little more than $490,000 in restitution to his daughter and Carlin's mother. Now, where that $490,000 is going to come from, I don't know. It's a lot of license plates. First of all, maybe sell that Jaguar. If he owned it. If he owned it.
Starting point is 01:08:03 Yeah, we don't even know. The judge said the crime was not committed in the heat of the moment. Instead, it was cold-blooded and calculated. And I don't think there's any doubt about that. This wasn't a situation where this guy snapped. He planned it. He thought about it. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:08:21 He even gave like a time frame type ultimatum. If she doesn't take me back in two weeks, I'm going to kill her. And if her roommates, I'm going to kill her too. Yes. That is not heat of the moment type stuff. The judge noted that Malik was involved with other. women, including Dolores Delgado when he killed Carlin, the judge also noted that Malik had seven hours to change his mind about the murder while he was driving to Maryland.
Starting point is 01:08:50 And that's an interesting notion. Very hard to claim heat of the moment. Sure. When it took you seven hours to get to your wife's place, it wasn't like you came home from work, opened the door, and found her with another man. Right. That wouldn't be right, but that would be more heat of the moment. And we got to remember, he was a very smart individual. So you would think on his drive up there, you could think of the rationale behind what he was thinking of doing and realize it's not the way to go.
Starting point is 01:09:23 Well, there's no doubt he had the time to do that. And you know, you mentioned he was a smart guy. I do think he was. But I think he'd already made up his mind. Well, in advance. Belik spoke before he was sentenced. He told Carlin's family. I know the pain and heartache that you feel. He added that his love for Carlin grew stronger every day. And I just don't even know what you make of this if you're her family. Yeah, I don't know how you can even make that statement, you know, I know the pain and heartache that you feel. No, you don't. You mean the heartache and pain that you caused us to feel? Yeah. And how can you say that, you know, my love for her grew stronger her every day right up until the point where I murdered her. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:10:10 You know, some of the things that these people say, they just, they blew me away, how they think that, you know, some of this stuff makes sense to actually verbalize. He gave a message to his five children. According to CBS, he told them he loved them and said, I'm sorry, I haven't been able to be there for the past two years because of these proceedings. And even if you look at that statement, you know, it's not I'm sorry I did what I did. Right. And that I won't be there for you.
Starting point is 01:10:40 I'm sorry I haven't been there for you because of these proceedings. Yeah. There's a distance there. He's distancing himself from his actions. From his actions and basically blaming it on the fact that he had to be in court. Carlin's mother spoke in court and asked the judge not to have any mercy in sentencing. she recalled how Malik came to the funeral and told her, for all we know, the killer is among us.
Starting point is 01:11:09 Wow. Obviously, we know he was correct. Yeah, right next to her. She didn't know it was him, but Malik's lawyer told the judge about his redeeming qualities when she asked for a lighter sentence, noting that he served four tours of duty in the army and that he had PTSD from injuries he suffered in Iraq. She also said that he experienced abandonment during his childhood and grew up in foster homes.
Starting point is 01:11:37 None of those are excused for murder. No, and a lot of that could be true. And it's admirable that he served for tours of duty. Again, it doesn't excuse what he did. After the sentencing, U.S. attorney Robert Hur said, Malik Kearney coldheartedly planned the murder of his wife and placed his four-month-old baby in her dead arms after shooting her several times at close range. The investigators and prosecutors painstakingly put this case together so that Kearney did not escape
Starting point is 01:12:12 justice. This sentence ensures that Kearney will not be able to harm any other women. Hopefully, it will also bring the family of Carlin Ramirez, some peace that Kearney has been brought to justice. Blyke's appeal was denied on December 16, 2000. 20. Carlin Ramirez's murder was an unnecessary tragedy that occurred because her husband was too selfish to let her go, to let her file for divorce. He wanted to stay married to Carlin. But at the same time, gives he wanted to see not just Dolores, but other women as well.
Starting point is 01:12:54 Yeah, he wanted his cake and the pie and the cookies and all the other stuff. And he wanted to eat it all. Yeah. I think this was a guy who could not handle the thought of Carlin leaving him. And so he killed her. A judge aptly said that he displayed predatory behavior towards women. And I do think he was a predator in a couple of different way. I do think to some extent he used this woman, Dolores. Now, she had her own role in it. Yeah. But he used her. It sounds like he used. other women. I still say that I don't know how he could sit in court and say, my love grew stronger for Carlin every day, right up until the day that I murdered her. I don't understand that. It grew every day as I was planning her murder. They grew every day when I was cheating on her with Dolores and these other women. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think this is, you know, like you said, I think this was a guy who, he just wanted it all. He felt like he kind of had it all. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:14:00 And he didn't want that all to end. And I don't think he wanted to live without Carlin or allow Carlin to be with someone up. Yeah. Well, he's right where he needs to be now. Oh, there's no doubt. There's no doubt. But that's it for our story on Malik Kearney.
Starting point is 01:14:18 We've got some voicemails. You want to check those out? Yeah, Sarah. Hi, guys. This is Muriel from Maryland. I joined kind of late. I'm only on episode 97, I think, and right now you guys are out with like 360 on the regular true crime all the time. Then after I finish all of those, I'm going to go back and listen to Unsolved.
Starting point is 01:14:41 I do have one request. Mike, you're always making fun of Gibby's accents, but I want to hear you do a British and Irish accent. So we can compare the two. Okay, well, love the podcast. Thank you guys so much. Bye. Good luck with that one, buddy. Hello, governor.
Starting point is 01:15:01 No, I don't do accents. Because you can't. British. British. You always make fun of me saying British. Because that's the only one that sounds halfway decent. There's a reason why I don't do accents because I'm terrible at him. You're terrible at him, but you think you're great at him.
Starting point is 01:15:18 That's the funny part. And that's what people like. I am good at them. I keep thinking that, man, because people enjoy him. She knows. And she's from Maryland. What's you have to do? I just wanted to throw Maryland
Starting point is 01:15:30 and crab cakes and football. That's what we do. That's right. Hey, Mike and Gibby. My name is Hannah. I've been a listener of you all since around 2018. I just heard the episode on Thomas Lee Bean. I'm kind of catching up. And the ubiquitous name, me and her share the same last name.
Starting point is 01:15:51 And I thought that was neat. It's not a very common name, although mine is spelled with a while. and hers is an IE. My family always thought that the origin was of an Irish descent, but knowing that she's from Scotland, I'm thinking maybe we need to do a little bit more digging. I am African-American, so I'm sure that the name isn't of my Oregon ancestors, but it's always good to know kind of where you come from.
Starting point is 01:16:20 I'm team Mike and Gibby. Thank you guys for all you do, and keep our own time together. Irish Scottish I mean I got more Irish you got more Scottish but they are it next door to each other pretty much okay never know just showing off with his geography now we love you we appreciate that voicemail I do think it's very interesting to do that kind of genealogy stuff and and people learn a lot and I think sometimes surprised I did the ancestry D and A thing one time and it was nothing like what I thought it was going to turn out to be. Well, I can't remember the exact results, but let's just say it was not what I was led to believe by my family. I mean,
Starting point is 01:17:09 mine came back that I was like almost 2% Italian-a-no. You know, so I knew it. I felt it, you know? I knew that I was somewhat Italianano. Yeah, it's me, my Italianano. Oh, I think you're, you're what they would call a melting pot. I don't know. You are a little bit of everything.
Starting point is 01:17:29 That's why you're so good with all the accents from all over the world. Yes, that's exactly right. Yeah, exactly. All right. We had one thing in the mailbag, and it was really cool. It was. Betty Steele sent you a specialized Yeti mug. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:17:46 That is one of the coolest things I've ever seen. It is cool. So I'm very happy for you that you got that. It's very nice. It is. It's a gibby on it. It does say Gibby. I kept looking for one that said,
Starting point is 01:18:00 Ferg on it, but there wasn't one. It just gives me. Just Gibby. Can't use it. So I'm in the process of buying my own to match. That will say Fergie? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:18:10 I will say Ferg or Fergie. But it is very cool. Very nice. Thank you. And I will have one soon. All right, buddy. That is it for another episode of True Crime all the time. So for Mike and give me,
Starting point is 01:18:21 stay safe and keep your own time ticking.

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