True Crime All The Time - Monte Rissell and Darrell Gene Devier

Episode Date: October 8, 2018

Monte Rissell and Gene Devier were two real life killers portrayed in the first season of the hit Netflix show Mindhunter. We've profiled most of the other killers portrayed on the show and wanted to talk about these two as well. But, these are lesser known killers whose crimes didn't receive that much coverage so we're profiling them both in one episode.Join Mike and Gibby as they discuss the life and crimes of these killers. Monte Rissell's crime started extremely young and he began murdering by age 18. FBI profilers studied him while he was in prison. Devier became fixated on 12-year-old Mary Frances Stoner while working on her street as a tree trimmer. Hi fascination turned to murder and it took the help of the FBI to bring him down.You can help support the show by going to patreon.com/truecrimeallthetimeVisit the show's website at truecrimeallthetime.com for contact, merchandise, and donation informationSupport our sponsors:ExpressVPN - get the best VPN protection by going to expressvpn.com/tcattSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

everyone and welcome to episode 99 of the true crime all the time podcast. I'm Mike Ferguson and with me as always is my partner in true crime Mike the hammer Gibson. Hammer. What's going on? The hammer. Yeah. I'm calling you the hammer today. I would use a hammer if I needed to. You would use a lot of things if it came to it. Yeah. You're very resourceful. I can't be. I've called you Jason Bourne before. You have some of those skills. Liam Neeson. Jason. Jason Bourne. Kind of just, it's like Liam with a mask on. You're an amalgamation of a couple of different people.

If you want to say that big word, go ahead. I'll explain it after the show. Yeah. But how you doing? I'm good. How about you? I'm doing great. I cannot believe we're on episode 99.

I can't either. Next week is the big hundo. That's amazing, man. I mean, I remember you and I two years ago sitting around talking about starting this podcast. Yeah, I never would imagine that we were where we're at. And it just shows you, we haven't taken very many weeks off to get to a hundred. I think we've taken off two total?

Maybe two. We're probably due for a full week off here pretty soon, maybe around the holidays. Holiday's coming up, we might have to. Now, we just got done taping our 10, 15 minute Patreon that we do every week. Not a Patreon episode. It's just a kind of a riff thing that we tape every week. Yeah, if you're a Patreon member, you get to listen to it. Yeah, and one thing I forgot to mention on their Gibbs was I ordered the chairs.

The chairs are on their way. So this time next week, when we're recording, you will be sitting in a brand new, high fashion, functional office chair. Well, you're going to give me that one you got in right now? No. I ordered two of the same. Don't get me any shit on this. I'm telling you. You never posted the Amazon proof.

So, you know, I didn't order it through Amazon. But when it comes in, you know what I am going to do? get it through chairs like chairs.com? Yeah sure chairs.com. Chairs. Chairs.com. I will. You need a place to sit. Sit on us. I'm going to take some pictures. That's for sure. And they're going to hit social media because I am tired of the... Are you taking the picture at our office? Woe is me. Act like that's what you got. No, I'm taking of the whole studio. Woe is me. I'm sitting on wood slats from 1920. You know what? I don't know if I told you. Somebody pointed out there are some pictures that we took of us in the studio.

Yeah. And you can clearly see that we have the same chair. Oh, no, that's not the same thing. Yeah, it's clearly. It's very clear. That's, that's, that's not true. All right, Gibbs. Let's do our Patreon shoutouts.

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It could go a couple of different ways It could go Demal Week But I think it's Demel Week I think it's, uh, de Mali wika. That's the one I know it's not. Teresa Werner. Hey, Teresa.

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Makes me think of a drink for some reason. Because it has the word Bailey in it? Yeah. Danielle McCulley. Mike Cap or something. Anna. Anna. James Winchcombe.

It sounds like English. Like, uh, James a Winchcombe? I was actually not too bad. I like that one better than some of the others. Okay. Old Kimberly Lee. Oh, Kimberly Lee.

Yep. She just put it in there for you. Yeah. Carol Lewis. She's probably like 28. Probably. Matt Prater, Jesse Saghetti. Jesse Spaghetti.

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No names to read all. But I do want to talk about unsolved, true crime all time unsolved. This week we are finishing up. It's out right now, part two on the monster of Florence. We are. So we've got to finish that bad boy.

Yeah, I enjoyed it. I did too. And I will be honest with you, that was not a case that I knew all that much about before we got into the research. So I did enjoy it. All right.

we're gearing up for our big 100th episode we've already said it's going to be on big ed kemper we're probably going to cry it's going to be emotional because it's the hundred it's a hundred it be tears everywhere it be kind of like people like when people watch this is us where they cry from watching that show i don't know what that is oh that's true because you don't even like hope floats no and i don't watch regular tv so yeah well it be a be a joyful sad emotional not really there'll be no tears flowing. I was going to say with you and I, there won't be any tears, but I get what you're saying. Yeah, there's a lot of information on Kemper.

My, my thought is it's probably going to be a multi-parter. And I'll tell you, I've been fascinated with Kemper for a long time, even before the Netflix show Mind Hunter, but it deepened that. You know, I thought that the actor that played Kemper did an amazing job. I actually thought he was probably the best. I did too. but I actually thought all of the actors that were playing the killers were really good. And we've already profiled a number of them on TCAT. We did Jerry Brutos.

We've done Richard Speck. We've done BTK, who, you know, drifts in and out of the series in kind of this eerie fashion. Now, there's no actors associated with these, but in the show, they do talk about Herbert Mullen, who we did. and they talk about son of Sam, David Berkowitz, who we profiled. But there are two killers that were in season one featured besides Kemper that we have not profiled. And they are lesser known murderers. They're no BTK.

No, no, there are no BTC. There actually no comparison to any of the other ones in terms of their level of infamy. My original idea was to do an episode on each leading up to 100 when we're going to start Kemper. But, you know, when we got into the research, there just wasn't that much out there. And definitely not enough to devote a full entire episode to each one. So we decided to do something a little different. We're going to cover them both in this one episode and see what it's like to do two stories in a single episode.

Should be fun. Should be like too many podcasts in one. I like it. I like the way you think. That's why you and I make a good team. It's exactly why we do. Because whatever I say, you're supposed to say I like it.

That's what I do. It's very similar to what I do with my wife. We both talk. We've kind of realized that when we talk, when you're not around, we're like, you guys hashed it out. Yeah. And you've both come to the realization

that I just tell her whatever she wants to hear. And we're like, oh, now a lot of similarities. between the relationship I have with her and the relationship I have with you. Yeah. Yeah. A few. I think there's probably some. There's some that definitely don't correlate and cross, uh, cross, uh, cross the streams, as you might say.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We'll leave it right there. But you and I have talked about this idea for future episodes, right? There are a lot of cases out there that are extremely interesting. But as you get, as we like to say, down the rabbit hole, you start researching this, these cases, you quickly realize that there's not enough to get, you know, an hour plus out of a certain

subject. So we might try to group two similar type cases or, you know, two from the same area. I think there's a lot of different ways you can do it. Oh, you're right. And it's something we know, like, especially for me on the unsolved, there's some really good ones. But, you know, how do we get it in to get, you know, what everybody wants, you know, good solid hour. Right. The level of information that we try to put, if it's, if it's not there, it's not there. All right. So we're going to start out the episode talking about Monty Rissle. And I think what interests a lot of people about Rissal Gibbs is just how young he was when he began committing his crimes and then ultimately his murders. I mean, this is a guy whose sexual crime started at the very young age of 14. if not earlier. And he was only 18 years old when he committed his first of five murders.

Now, the one thing about both Ryssel and DeVier, the two that we're going to be talking about, there's not a lot of background. As far as their childhood and, you know, all that, Riesel was born in 1958 in Alexandria, Virginia. his dad left the family when he was pretty young and he was raised by his mother. You know, I mentioned that his sexual crime started at the age of 14. That was for rape. And 14 years old. Can't he imagine?

14, man. He racked up some other convictions while in high school, burglary, you know, things like that. In 1973, he was caught after attempting to rob a woman in an elevator at knife point. So he was sent to an instance. where he was given some psychological treatment. And apparently he did pretty well. Yeah. In his treatment.

Okay. Either there's two, there's two schools of thought on it. Either he was fully participating and getting out of it what he was supposed to. Or he was making the staff believe that, you know, he was into it. He was doing all the right things.

I kind of lean towards the second, the ladder. Yeah. Because for being good, okay. He got some temporary releases. Oh, there you go.

And it was during some of these release periods that he committed additional rapes. So if he's in there and he's supposed to be, you know, getting treated and he's really doing well, is he, is he going to go out and commit, you know, a sexual crime at the first opportunity he gets? My theory is he was just telling these people what, what he knew they wanted to hear. so that they would let him out. Because eventually he does get out. He drops out of high school. He wasn't a great student.

He got C's and D's. Like I said, he committed his first murder at the age of 18. And it occurred on August 4th, 1976, about a month after this country's bicentennial. Remember it? Do you remember it? I don't. I was very young. I know you were in your early 20s.

Oh, nice. But I was way too young to remember it. I was 10. I was 10. I was three. I really don't remember it at all. It was just like Fourth of July, but just for a much longer period of time. Yeah.

There's a little bit more celebration. It was a big deal. I know that. Yeah. People made a big deal out of it. It's when I got my first tattoo. Was it? When you were 10?

Yeah. I got the eagle, the flag. He's holding the, in his beak. Yeah. It's beautiful, man. You were a real rebel at the age of 10. My whole back is covered. You got a full back dad.

Yeah, it hit 10. Now it's just like a little square now because I've grown up. But, you know, and it's really, really expanded. So the eagle looks a little messed up, you know, but that's all right. Looks like a flying teradactal. Yeah. Yeah. Now, we are going to talk in this episode about John Douglas, you know, the famous FBI profiler

and we're going to talk about Mind Hunter, some too, that the main character is, I think, based on Douglas. But he interviewed Ristel in prison. And it was, you know, dramatized on the show. But the FBI, through these interviews, they were able to garner a lot of detailed information on the Watt and the why of the murders committed by these different people. well, especially when it came to Ristle, they got some really good information about his very first murder. He said that his girlfriend had recently broken their relationship off in a letter. It's kind of a tough way to find out that your girlfriend's dumped you. Yeah, Dear John letter is never nice.

Dear John letter, but there was no technology, right? You couldn't send a text with like an emoji of a dump and I don't know what the other emoji. I'm not good with the, emoji. So. emoji with a dump. Like I'm dumping you. Yeah, I get you. Yeah.

Yeah. See where you're headed. I guess that's how the kids would do it these days, right? Probably be like three clicks with emojis and. Done. It's over. Move on to the next. Move on to the next one.

Now, earlier in the day on August 4th, he had driven to see his girlfriend at college. But when he got there, Gibbs, he found her with another guy. It's usually not good. Never good. I think in most cases, that would cause some kind of fight or, you know, something like that. But it didn't happen. He was hurt.

He was angry. But he didn't do anything. He didn't confront either one of them, either his ex-girlfriend or the man she was with. He simply got back into his car and he drove back to Alexandria, Virginia. Now, I know you would never handle it that way, Gibbs. No. That's the way that Monty chose to go. Monty went that way.

So he gets back to Alexandria and he's sitting in a parking lot. He's drinking. He's smoking weed. When he saw 26 year old Aura Gabor. Gabor was a sex worker. But this is something that Ristel didn't know. Although in newspaper articles from that time period, she was listed as a masseuse. And it's very strange, Gibbs.

You know, how many shows do we do? where we're talking about killers that target sex workers, right? That is very common in the world of, you know, true crime where you have a male killer, especially a serial killer. So here, Ristel's first murder turns out to be a sex worker, but he didn't even know it. So he's drunk, he's high, he's extremely angry. He's sitting in this parking lot. She pulls in and gets out of her car.

Monty Riesel attacked her and made her drive him to a secluded area. Now, what he told her was that he would not hurt her if she had sex with him. So I have sex with me and I won't hurt you. Yeah. Okay. But it's a, it's a sexual crime either way, right? It's, uh, he, he's forcing her against her will to do something. You'd still call that rape.

Oh, yeah, you would. Right? raped her. I mean, she can say, you know, whatever she needs to do to protect herself, but it's still raped. He raped and murdered Gabor. She was found in a creek down a ravine with her brawrapped around her neck. But here's the part that they really focus on in the show. You know, Ristell would tell the FBI that while he was sexually attacking this woman, at one point, she stopped resisting. and in his words allowed it to happen. And I'm using my air quotes here.

Most likely Gibbs, I would think maybe this was a defense mechanism that she thought would save her life. But it didn't. It only served to make him more angry. Really got him angry, didn't it? It did. It was almost as if she was taking away the power that he was trying to exert over her. And he would say, you know, at a certain point, she started to run away and headed down the ravine.

He chased after her, caught up with her, slammed her head onto a rock and then held her head under water until she drowned. So again, I think Ristle is kind of strange. I don't think he set around Gibbs for years thinking about planning to murder someone. You know, this one happened. He was depression, alcohol, weed, anger over the breakup. And he snapped. Now, the FBI really did learn a lot from people like Ristel who were willing to sit down

with them and give them insight into why they did what they did. You know, a lot of things, you know, especially from Ristel, there were some classifications that would come out, you know, as they were putting this. FBI profiling, you know, thing kind of together was in its infancy. Guys like Ristel and even Ristel in particular allowed them to expand their classifications. But the FBI came later, right? Ristel was already in prison by the time that Douglas and other FBI people went to interview him.

After this murder happened, there was a detective working the case after or a, Gabor was murdered. And he had a history with Ristel. He knew the young man and he knew his mother from the elevator incident that had happened years earlier. And from what I understand, Gibbs, he thought right off the bat that Monty Rissel could have been involved with this murder. He knew this guy.

He knew the way that, you know, he thought. He hadn't murdered anybody, but he knew he had something. going on that wasn't, you know, quite right, but he didn't have anything solid to go on. I mean, at that point, it's more intuition than anything else. He's going to turn out to be right. But Riesel would go on to commit four more murders. And his victim choice is another thing to me that is telling. He chose victims that lived very close to him.

And I believe that was a big reason why he was caught when he was. Now, maybe that's because this is a very young kid. He's 18 years old. He's probably not the smartest bulb in the pack. Right. But he did. He chose victims, you know, it was almost like within a mile radius from where he lived. In March of 1977, Riesel raped and stabbed 22-year-old Ursula Miltonberger to death.

Her body was found near a residential area with 21 stab wounds to the chest and abdomen. and the body was found about a mile from her car. She had a gash on her head. Her ankles were bound and her hands were tied behind her back. She was a management trainee at a McDonald's just blocks from Ristell's home at the time. And she picked him up while he was hitchhiking. So again, you and I talk a lot about hitchhiking. I know, I'm telling you.

Don't hitchhike. And don't pick him up. But also don't pick people. people up. Again, this was the 70s. There was a hell of a lot more hitchhiking going on back then. But you think about this young kid and he committed that first murder. And obviously at some point, he had to make a conscious decision. Either he enjoyed it and he wanted to continue. Right. Which is, I'm assuming that that's what it was because he kept doing it. He didn't, He didn't commit the first murder and say, oh my gosh, what have I done?

You got a kick out of it. I'm never going to do this again. It was the worst decision I ever made. He derived something from it, right? And that's what happens to these people. They get some type of thrill, some type of gratification that they then have to chase. Yeah, they get that rush. Was it Tommy Lynn sales that he really got off?

Oh, yeah. Tommy Lynn was one of the worst. Yeah. strangling him, looking at him in their eyes, watching that. He described it as, gave him, like you said, a rush. Yeah. I mean, just filled his body with almost joy. It's so weird to say.

Literally had their hands and, you know, their life in his hands. And he loved it. Yeah. He liked. I don't know if we've ever had anybody that I felt enjoyed killing other human beings as much as Tommy Lenssel. He really seemed like. he loved it. He did, strangely. The next victim was 27-year-old Gladys Bradley. Bradley was a postal worker who Ristell took at knife point from an apartment complex near his house in early May, 1977. And I guess he used a steak knife that he had taken from his mother's kitchen. So again, 18 years old, 19 years old, whatever he is now. Gladys had come home.

from a hard day's work at the post office and she didn't even realize that you know this boy this young man was waiting for her stalking her he followed her into the elevator where he pulled the knife he raped gladys twice and forced her to a nearby creek where he drowned her just a week after gladys bradley's body was found police found the body of 24 year old old Jeanette McClellan. Jeanette was a proofreader. She was an aspiring editor. They found her body in a culvert behind the same apartment complex that Gladys lived at.

They both lived there together. I mean, not not together together. They both lived at the same apartment complex. Again, just blocks, not even a mile, right? Just blocks away from where Monty Rissle lived. On that very same day that they found McClellan's body, police found the car of a missing 34-year-old woman named Aletha Bert. Aletha was a department store worker and her car was found in a shopping center within a mile radius to where these bodies had been found and also where their cars had been found. I haven't really talked about that, but their cars were all left in essentially the same.

same spot. I mean, we are really talking about a mile radius here. So you have a number of women that have turned up dead in a fairly short period of time. The whole city of Alexandria was in panic mode. Imagine that happening here, Gibbs. No, man. It would it would be, you know, front page news. People would be, you know, I'd be sitting in my chair loaded for bear. You be. Not that I'm usually not anyway, but I'd be heightened even further. That'd probably be shot just walking in. That would happen regardless. It could happen. I mean, I always dodge. I have to dodge whatever you're shooting that night. Gibby, when he enters the house, he runs serpentine just in case. I do, just in case. I never know,

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Visit expressvpn.com slash T-Cat to learn more. Monty Ristel was arrested on May 13th, but it wasn't for these murders. He was arrested on in totally unrelated charge, but as police were searching the car that he was driving, they found property that belonged to some of his victims. And these are things that, you know, they would have thought, strange for him to have, once they started to question him and they showed him the items from his victims, wallets, purses, combs, keys, things like that. I mean, this young man, I'm going to call

him a young man, he crumbled, you know, like a fine French pastry. The French pastries crumble? I assume if they're made correctly. That they crumble? Yeah, you would want it to crumble. Crumbull. Okay. Hell, I don't know. I'm not a pastry eater. You're not a pastry chef either.

Of course, no, that's for sure. Yeah. I don't even eat pastries, though. I'm not a big... You eat French toast, maybe. Is that why you think you're, like, expert in French pastries? That's really the only thing I eat from the French. Hell, I don't know, Gibbs.

All I'm saying is, he buckled very quickly. Use whatever euphemism you want. Right. But the guy's not a seasoned pro. Right. he's not this unbelievable serial killer that's been operating for 10 years and, you know, 40 years old and has lived life. This is a very young, 18 year old kid, kid, young man.

He's not going to stand up and doesn't against questioning by police. And he quickly confessed to killing all five women and was charged with kidnap, rape and murder of all five of these women. And police got him to dictate a 19-page statement on the murders without an attorney present. And all he really told the police is that he didn't want to die. He didn't want to get the death penalty. I always think that's your concern. I don't want to die.

Please don't let me die. But they had no problem taking their victim's lives. Yeah. Yeah, I wasn't thinking about that when I killed five women, but now that I'm on the hot seat, please don't give me the death penalty. But that's probably one of the main reasons why he did crumble as fast as he did. He wanted to do whatever it took. He knew he was caught. He wanted to cooperate as much as he could to make sure he didn't get the death penalty. Now, we talked about Ristles passed in institutions and we talked about that he had been under psychiatric care when he was younger. So they really wanted to evaluate his mental capacity to stand trial.

But ultimately, he was found competent to stand trial. He pleaded guilty to murdering all five women. And because he did that, the prosecution dropped the rape and the kidnapping charges. And it wasn't much of a trial, right? they had some some great evidence they had his confessions he was convicted in sentence to five consecutive life sentences at 18 19 years old yeah i mean you think about a life sentence right if you're 60 years old it's still life it's the it's the rest of your life right but if you're 18 years old man that's everything you have a long time to live you just started your life just started it just

started and you're going to spend the rest of it in a six by nine, whatever size sell. Being somebody's bitch for the rest of your life. Eating bad food and whatever that bitch tells you to eat. But at the sentencing, right? So we got five consecutive life sentences. But at the sentencing, and I just found this telling about, you know, what type of individual we're talking about, this guy couldn't even muster up the courage to, speak directly to the judge at his sentencing. He had to tell his attorney to tell the judge that he was

remorseful. Couldn't even say it himself out loud. So how much weight does that carry when, you know, you can't even say it in your own words? It's not helpful. That's for sure. So he gets to prison. And apparently he had a lot of enemies in prison due to the, crimes, the nature of the crimes that he committed, you know, sexual assaults against women. So for that reason, he spends most of his time isolated in protective custody. Apparently, he has his own cell away from most of the inmates in PC. Probably good. But Ristle became eligible for parole in 1995.

He had served 18 years in prison, five consecutive life sentences and he was eligible in 18 years. And the reason why it was supposed to be 20, but apparently they have something where you earn credits. And I don't know if that's state by state. I'm assuming it is. And I think a lot of states probably have that. But you get credits for good behavior. And this program awarded five days for every 30 days that you went without some type of behavior incident. Well, that's pretty good for people. Yeah, it's, it's, it's a good system.

Yeah, it's like, it's going to drop two months off your sentence every year. For them to. Incentive. Behave. Yeah. And hopefully not hurt the guards or, you know, cause trouble. But he, so because, you know, he was pretty good in prison. So he got two years lopped off or he was eligible for parole two years earlier.

Now, the first time he came up, he was denied. Not a shocker. Right? The guy's got five consecutive life sentences. I think that's like the golden rule. Isn't it? First time up parole? Deny. Yeah. But what's fascinating to me about Ristel is that he actually comes up for parole every single year. And I didn't know that that was possible. Again, I'm assuming that's a state by state thing. Now, every year it's been denied. And here are some of the reasons that have been documented for the denials. His history of violence indicates serious risk to the community. I would say that is 100% true. Prior failures or convictions while under

community supervision. So they're talking about, I believe, the sexual assaults, the rapes that he committed while he was on temporary release early in his life. They think that means it's unlikely he would ever comply with any conditions of a release. Right. Release at this time would diminish the seriousness of the crimes. True. You have to look at the victims, victims family. Yep. And I think the last one, serious nature and circumstance of offenses. I mean, these were cruel. Cruel. They were brutal. It was five women. If he would have been let out after 18 years, I think there would have been a major uproar. But again, he comes up every year, Gibbs. So if you think about it, how tough is that on the family members of these victims?

Yeah, I think it would be pretty tough, you know, just constantly recall, recall, recall, recall. I mean, they have to dredge all of these bad feelings, these bad memories up once a year. I think that would be a nightmare. Now, they're never going to forget what happened and they're always going to think about their loved ones, but to have to relive it in this way and, you know, whatever it is, write a letter or show up actually at the parole hearing and talk about what this. guy did and why he should never be let out, that seems, it seems rough to have to do it every single year. I can see it every five years, every 10 years, something like that, gearing up for it. But every year, that's on your calendar. Yeah, I think even in Shawshank, they had to wait a little bit longer than that. Yeah, it seems, uh, it seems quick to me. I don't remember Morgan going up every time. But that's it. That is the story of Monty Ristle.

Cool. One down. One down. another one to go one to go all right gibbs let's now talk about darrell jean devier he was born in 1955 but again there's really not that much out there on his childhood other than you know that it was a difficult one he was an eighth grade dropout he was kicked out of the army with the general discharge after less than a year in and he was divorced at the time he committed murder So it's not a finisher. That is true. He's not good with sticking with things.

Yeah. Doesn't follow through, right? I mean, they didn't finish school, you could say that. The divorce thing, you know, that happens. It does. You know, but the not getting through school. I don't know, one year, not even one year in the service. It had to be pretty bad to get a general discharge.

You do, but how many serial killers, I mean, he's not a serial killer, but how many killers have we talked about that did a year, less than a year in because they couldn't hack it? More than it should be. More a lot. Yeah. Quite a few, actually. Now, Devier only committed one murder. And I say only, but it was a horrific murder.

But the fact that he only committed one, it's most likely the reason that there's less out there on him than most of the people that we talk about. like I said earlier, this was not a famous case. It wasn't covered around the world. It probably wasn't even covered nationally for the most part. But it was featured on the show Mind Hunter. And to me, it was a very interesting part of the show. This was one of the first cases where, you know, these new FBI profilers, including John Douglas, got to put their theories into action.

and show that they really worked. Because really starting out, they were just that, right? There were theories. And then as they started to be asked to get involved with some of these cases and they were able to try things out, they started to figure out what worked. And this was one of the cases that kind of showcased what they had been working on. Now, as Devere got into adulthood, he was pretty transient, you know, moved around from place to place. But in 1979, he was living in Georgia, working as a tree trimmer. He had long,

scraggly hair, and he drove a black pinto with mag wheels. So picture that in your head. The pinto, man. But then slapping some mag wheels on there like your Burt Reynolds in the smoky car or something. I actually went to school with a guy that did the same thing, man. Had a pinto and put on some Mag wheels. Fancy mag wheels. Yeah. I know. I mean, that's like, you know, the guys back in the day that used to, you used to spend a bunch of money to soup up like a Chavette or an escort.

I never understood that. Why don't you just take all that money and buy a nicer car? Get a real one. Instead of, you know, spending thousands and thousands of dollars to soup up this. And it wasn't even a nice escort or Chvette. You know, it was like some old junkie clunker. and they were just throwing money into this stuff with CD players and subwifers and rims and things like that.

I never understood that, man, ever. Well, let's see what kind of car you had. What kind of car did I have? Yeah. My first car was a Grand Am, a two-door Grand Am. Yeah. 1986 Grand Am. Okay.

It was a nice little car. You drove in high school? I did. Yeah. And then you rolled into what? Actually, I think I went from. that to, I think I had a hand-me-down, like, Toyota Camry at one point. But then I bought, like, my first pickup truck that I paid for myself. And then after that. That was it. That was it.

Yeah. What was your first car? Shavette, sooped up. Shoevette. Do you have, like, the rims that rolled when the car would stop? Yeah, the rolling red. Whatever you call those. Spinners. The alpine stereo system that you took the face off, walked in anywhere you went, so no one wanted to take it, you know. I did have, uh, I did have some, um, I did have some. tens in the trunk of that grand am with the Rockford Fosgate Am. Did you? Yeah. Rocked it, didn't you?

I did. That was back during my rap days. Yeah. When I first got that bad boy. Yeah. All right. So let's get back to Devere. He's rocking the black pinto with the mag wheels.

Yeah. And wait until you see a picture of this guy. He's kind of scary looking. The guy that played him in the show, you know, they made his hair long. They made him look a little dirty. Yeah. But he didn't look scary. The real guy to me.

look scary. Got a little scary look to it. Yeah, he he's got a scary look to him for sure. So he's working it as a tree tremor. And it was in November of 1979 that his company sent him on a job near Adairsville, Georgia. And on November 30th, 12 year old Mary Francis Stoner was kidnapped just after getting off the school bus at the end of the dirt drive that led to her house. And authorities at all levels, Gibbs, they came together very quickly. You know, that was around 4 p.m. And they started doing ground searches, air searches for the 8th grader, but they couldn't find her.

Now, what they did find out is that shortly before 4 p.m. that day, two witnesses saw a dark blue or black pinto with mag wheels. That's the other thing. You're really making your car stand out, I think. Yeah, I mean, how many pentos with mag wheels on it were rolling around? Well, I mean, just this guy in your buddy. My buddy up here. Yeah.

So these witnesses saw this pinto with mag wheels parked about 150 feet from the stoner's driveway. And they described the driver as a white male with long hair and a beard. There were also several students on the school bus that said they saw this car and the man driving it. And they know that Mary Stoner was dropped off just before four, 355 to four. It's a very small window. Very small. Those buses run fairly regular as far as time unless something major happens. A student on the bus that was the next one to get off after Mary, she also saw the Pinto,

but said that she saw it backing out of the Stoner driveway. And when she saw it, it had two people in it. So quite a number of witnesses already, but no Mary. But it would just be the next day, Gibbs, that the body of Mary Francis Stoner was found at 11 a.m. by four deer hunters who were walking through a wooded area just south of Adairsville. Her head was crushed. And there were several bloodstained rocks near her body. the biggest of these rocks, they said, weighed 49, 50 pounds.

So it was a sizable rock. The doctor that conducted the autopsy noticed, you know, in addition to the obvious head injuries, some fresh tears and bruising in her vaginal area and discovered, you know, inside her vagina some sperm. Yeah. So very quickly, I think they're putting this together. You know, this poor young girl was raped and then she was bludgeoned to death with a big rock. Now, Devier made the suspect list pretty early on.

They brought him in for questioning, but he didn't give the police anything. He even agreed to take a polygraph, but the results were inconclusive. So this is when the sheriff decided to reach out to the FBI, talk to John Douglas, filled him in on the details of the murder. And John Douglas put together a profile. And he said, the killer will probably be a divorced white male in his mid-20s, will drive a black or blue car and work at some type of laborer's job. He said, you're probably going to find out that the suspect had some type of prior contact with the victim.

He's probably going to be. probably going to be a high school dropout who served in the army or Marines, but probably got a medical or dishonorable discharge after fewer than six months in. Dang, man. He's almost hitting this right on. Right on. He's very, very close. He said, I think he'll have a previous record of sex crimes.

And if he was to be given a lie detector test, the test would be inconclusive. or might show no deception at all. So this is what he tells the sheriff on the phone. And I don't know how much closer you can get. Pretty darn close, without knowing who the hell you're talking about exactly. So as you can imagine, the sheriff was kind of floored by this

because he tells Douglas, you know what, you just described a suspect we had and just released. And he knew. As Douglas was ticking off all these things, everything fit Darrell Gene DeVier. But again, he wasn't giving himself up

and there were no witnesses to the actual murder. So John Douglas and others from the FBI, they flew to Georgia to interview DeVier. And Gibbs, this is where I think Mind Hunter

did a really good job with telling the story of how they worked the interview with this guy. But first of all, they thought that just by them, the FBI being there, it might intimidate him, much more so than, you know, let's say the local cops, the local sheriff. But they laid out a plan that involved interviewing

him at night in a dimly lit room. And they staged folders around the room that they filled with paper. Some of the paper was just blank. Right. Because they wanted to make it seem as though they had volumes of information on him, right? We're the FBI. We know everything. We've got four, five, six massive folders on you. We know every facet of your life. So they're talking to him. They're questioning him. At one point, they hit him pretty hard with the issue of blood spatter. You know, talking about the fact that it's nearly impossible for someone to clean that up completely. I'm talking to him about not being able to get out of your shoes, out of your clothes, things like that.

But to me, the big thing they did was they brought in the big rock, you know, this 50 pound rock that was covered with blood that they recovered from the crime scene. I mean, this was the rock that was used to crush this little girl's head. And what they did was they just stuck it right there on the table. Just laid it right there. just laid it out right there. So, you know, this guy had no choice. He couldn't take his eyes off of this big rock.

He knew what he had done. And he knew that this is what he had used to, you know, crush her skull. Apparently he started sweating. His breathing got labored. They knew, right? They could tell that all of a sudden he had gone from in the beginning being pretty cool, calm and collected. Yeah.

To now he's shit in bricks. Yeah. Big time. He's done a complete 180 in, you know, the way that he's acting. And it in large part was being confronted with this murder weapon. I think they even had in there, at least they did on the show. They had some of her, like maybe what she was wearing, her baton. Things like that.

On the show, I think they. went and bought a baton, but I think they had some other things in there that, you know, that were of hers that he was able to see. But to me, it was the rock. The rock was the big thing. And eventually they, they lowered the boom, right? They done all of this trying to set him up. And they tell him that they know he killed Mary Francis Stoner. But they really used a lot of psychology in this interview, in this discussion with Devere. You know, they talked. about the death penalty a lot. And they tried to make him believe that they didn't think he planned this out.

And that if he only told them what happened, it would go a long way towards him probably not getting death. Right. So a lot of psychology. Sure. And eventually he broke down and he confessed to murdering Mary Francis Stoner. And after he confessed to the crime, you know, he admitted. that he had been obsessed with this 12-year-old girl, Mary Stoner, for weeks, right?

He was working this job as a tree tremor on her street. He was seeing her leave for school. He was seeing her come home from school. That's the first time he saw her. And he continued to see her for however many days that that gig lasted that they were working on that street. Now, they weren't, he wasn't working on the street. by the time the murder happened. Right.

But this is when he saw her. It led up to him. Yeah. It's what led to him seeing her. He had moved on, you know, his company moved to another job, but he didn't forget this girl. They would talk to some of the, the other guys that worked on the tree trimming crew with DeVier.

And they would say that, you know, he talked about this girl a lot for the two, three, four days, whatever it was that they were there. Right. Talked about how good looking she was, how much he wanted to have sex with her. They said that he often said things like it's time for the good looking girl to get home from school. Devere made a statement, which was transcribed and was eventually admitted into evidence at his trial.

But he said that he had been driving his black pinto that afternoon looking for a place to rent. When he saw the school bus, just as Mary Stoner was getting off, after it left, he pulled into the driveway and asked her for some directions. She came to the car, got into the passenger seat to look at a piece of paper that he had. And that's when he grabbed her and drove off. He drove her to an isolated, wooded area. He stopped the car and he told her to get into the back seat. And it was at this point, Gibbs, that she asked him, are you going to rape me? And he told her yes.

Now, in his statement, he said they had sexual intercourse, which I don't like, because that sounds like that it's consensual. And this obviously was not. Right. This was his statement, the statement he made. But after they did, he said he made her get out of the car. Now, what he said in his statement was that his intention was to tie her to a tree and leave her there and take off. But that she yelled at him. She started hitting him and he pushed her. And when he pushed her, she fell and she hit her head on this big rock and he got scared. And that's when, you know, he started choking her to make sure that she was dead. Then he left.

now john douglas has said that he believes devier realized after the sexual assault that he had to murder mary stoner because she could easily ID him so he has a little bit different take and i would tend to believe douglas he's got a pretty good track record and that seems to make a lot of sense right he did something. Maybe it was planned out. Maybe it was, as he said, kind of spur of the moment off the cuff. He saw her. He had been fantasizing about her already. But I can much more easily believe that at a certain point when all of this was going on, in his head it popped up that, hey, I can't leave this girl alive. Right. I'm going to get caught. So I got to do what I have to do to not get caught. Now, I don't think he wanted to say it that way.

He wanted to, as a lot of them do, make it look smoothed it out a little, make it a little less, I'm a monster. Right. Didn't work though. No, because, you know, if you really, if you break down his statement, it's like, yeah, I pushed her. She tripped. She hurt herself. And it's almost like as if I choked her, I made sure that she was out of her misery. Right.

There's a tinge to it where he's almost saying, I did something for her. Oh. But we know he didn't. No. But it's almost like he's trying to make people believe that's what he did. The Devere was arrested and charged with kidnapping, rape and murder. So he started his first trial, but it was declared a mistrial because apparently there was a juror that was found to have discussed.

the case was somebody that they weren't supposed to be talking about the case with. His second trial occurred in early 1982. So you had some of the members of his tree trimming crew that had worked at the Stoner home before the murder. They testified about the sexual remarks that he made about Mary Stoner. The testimony about his confession was admitted to trial. I mean, that's huge, right? That is huge.

He, you know, he admitted to the murder. And pretty easily a jury convicted him and sentenced him to death for the rape and murder of 12-year-old Mary Francis Stoner. Now, we are in Georgia. And they don't mess around in Georgia. It's kind of like Texas, I think, in some ways. Now, a bunch of people in Texas just went like, you did not just say compare us to any other state. I don't think they'll take it as a bad comparison. So what I'm saying is the comparison is I think both states are very tough with sentencing.

We just talked about Monty Rissal who raped and killed five women and he didn't get the death penalty. He got five life sentences but was eligible for parole after 18 years. So, you know, if you look at the two, you can kind of weigh him that way. Oh, I think you're right. Well, I'm glad you do because you know how much. your opinion means to me. Very little to nothing. It means everything, man.

You're coming to tears, man. So in 1983, the Georgia Supreme Court reversed the conviction on the grounds that the grand jury pool was underrepresented of women, didn't have enough women on the grand jury pool. So he had to go to trial again. And he did, was retried in November of that year and convicted. again, but De Bevere kept appealing, as they all do. Sure. But his would kind of be a roller coaster.

In 1989, a district court upheld the conviction, but they granted him a new sentencing trial. So they said, you're still guilty, but we're taking away the death sentence. So maybe I have to backtrack a little bit on my statement. Maybe. Maybe. But we'll see. But the reason they gave for this was. that there was information introduced at his first sentencing about an alleged rape that he committed

earlier against another woman. I believe this is something that he confessed to, but he was never tried. So obviously, if he wasn't tried, he was never convicted. And the courts felt like it was wrong to introduce that at sentencing when he wasn't convicted of that crime. And it wouldn't be until four years later in 1993 that the U.S. Circuit court reversed that ruling, the ruling that had set aside his death sentence. So now he's back. He's got death again. Shady's back. Shady's back. So that's why I said it was a roller coaster, right? He's he's on death row. Not on. Now he's not on. Then four years later, court comes back and says, you know what, you are going to be put to death. He's back on. He's back on. And he was actually.

executed on May 17th, 1995 after, you know, what I said, it was a whole bunch of appeals. The very last one was denied at noon that day. And he was executed just an hour or two after that. Was he waiting for the governor? He was. But what's really, so he was 38 years old at the time that he was executed. But even his execution didn't go the way that, you know, people. had planned for it to go. He was actually set to be executed two days earlier. But they had this massive storm that knocked out the power. And apparently the backup generators failed. It also knocked out the phone lines. Yeah. So if he was to get a call from the governor, as you said, wouldn't have come through. It wouldn't have come through. So they couldn't, they couldn't put him to

death. Just in case. And it's actually a really good thing. They didn't. because the U.S. Supreme Court granted him a temporary stay, but they only found out about it after the state attorney general jumped in his car with the cell phone. Now, this is 1995. Right. So he's probably got one of those Motorola gray flip phones. Like Mommy Vice. For those, no, that was the brick.

Oh, those are a brick. I'm talking about this is still a brick, a smaller brick and the very bottom of it flipped out. Do you remember that? Yep. A lot of people that are old enough to remember. it will because that was kind of a lot of people had them right you didn't have like 3,000 cell phones to choose from you had this big gray hunk of plastic or this black one. Yeah, it was really early options. But it's kind of amazing right. So he jumped in his car, he had his cell phone

and he drove until he found a signal. And that's when he found out that, you know, he actually was granted a stay of execution. So I don't know. what would have happened Gibbs if they would have gone forward. Right. And carried out the execution to find out later that the U.S. Supreme Court granted a temporary stay. I don't know what could have happened. The guy would have been dead. Yeah.

Yeah. It wouldn't have been good. Everybody would have to act like it didn't happen. Like, what do you mean to stay? No, we didn't give a stay. We met stay right where you're at. But like I said, the stay was temporary. it was lifted within a couple of days and he was executed like two days later.

I just found that kind of fascinating in how it all played out. Devier had no final statement at his execution, but I couldn't find any information about his last meal, Gibbs. You know how much I like to talk about last meals. I couldn't find it. Well, what do you think it was? Judging by his picture and the way he looked, I'm going to go. go with a cherry pie, two big things of chocolate milk, okay, a bucket of KFC, shrimp,

yeah, and some Coca-Cola to wash it down. Okay. Probably some French fries. He looks like a French fry guy. Gotcha. I'm just trying to, what am I leaving out? You didn't say anything about fruits or veggies, but he doesn't look. He doesn't look like a fruit veggie guy to me. Like I said, he's pretty scary looking. But that's it. That is the story of both Monty Ristel and Gene Devier. Yeah. So what was it like doing two stories in one?

Was that two stories? Uh-huh. I just thought we changed the name to protect the innocent. Yeah. I mean, I think it works. I mean, people will let us know what they, what they think. It wouldn't be something that we would do all the time. But I think every night.

Now and then if we had a couple of very interesting cases that just didn't have, you know, gobs of information. But this is true crime all the time. It is. And sometimes you're going to have cases that will take a couple episodes. Sometimes you're going to have cases. It just won't fill an episode. So we wait until we have a couple like that and back them up together because you still want to hear about them. Sure.

You know, if you love true crime, you're going to want to hear about it, even if it's only for part of the segment. If it's only 30 minutes and then you get another 30 minutes. Yeah, it's kind of, I mean, it's like a really a pretty good deal because you're getting to hear two for the price of one. You know what we could do is it's free. Or we could put two out, two 30 minute ones. Hey, man, that's a pain. Not for me.

I don't do anything. It would be a little more work for me. Yeah. All right, Gibbs. We got some voicemails. We got voicemails? Yeah, you want to hear those? Hey, guys.

How's it going? New listener, I just started binge watching your show a few weeks ago on my. on. I just listen to the newest episode, which was, uh, who was that one about? Oh, yeah, the Wesley Island one. I don't know if it was the newest one. I don't know. It's hard to keep track nowadays. But yeah, no, we're graveyard at a gas station and I just listen to you guys longstop throughout the entire night. It's actually pretty nuts. The stuff do you guys say and the reactions I see from the people that come in because I live in such a small conservative town that when these people come in and they hear the stuff that you guys are talking about

the jokes you guys are making and puts a smile on my face and see the weird looks that comes off on their face. But I just want to let you guys know, you guys are doing a great job. You guys are definitely one of my favorite podcast. And it's a blast listening to you guys every night. Yeah, keep up a good work, guys. Bye. So that was awesome. That's good.

We love when we get new listeners and they decide to call in. So I will tell you this. I used to work the graveyard shift at a gas station in Detroit from time. to time. Yeah. I may have mentioned this before, but when I worked in Detroit and it was a manager of each gas station and when when the manager would call off, I would have to go in. Right.

So, man, that can be lonely. Yeah, I did a couple, a couple graveyard shifts. In gas stations or somewhere else? No, I worked at a graveyard shift at a hotel and then I did it again as a security guard at this Cargill facility. And, yeah, you were just by yourself. Well, that would be lonely, too. The thing about the gas station is, I mean, you can go an hour.

Yeah. Maybe even longer sometimes where nobody comes in. I'd be grabbing chips and... Oh, I used to drink and eat and... Yeah. That'd be the bad part, you know. I probably paid for it. I'm going to say I paid for it.

Well, you're working on it now. I just want you know all of the Nesville talk you had about assholes chaps was cringe-worthy. I'm born and raised in. national and I've never owned a pair of cowboy boots and I hate country music. So it's funny to listen to that. I have a unique perspective on the fact that everybody gets shortened sentences. I know Gibby hates it, but I used to work for sentence management for the Department of Corrections and it has to do with the range of the offender. If they've never had it, they are range one. It goes all the way up to five and it's the percentage. So yes, it does suck.

that they don't send all their time in jail or in prison. But that's just the way it goes, you know. So really enjoy the podcast. I don't know what else to say. But yeah, thank you for the podcast and keep your own time. Take it. Bye. All right.

I love that because you and I, we always like when people call in with very specific information. Yes. Related to, you know, the podcast and things like that. Right. I don't know if that is the same all across the country or just where she is. But again, I don't have an issue so much with people getting out for, you know, petty things and smaller crimes or really, things like. I have an issue with some of the ones that we talk about. I mean, they're committing short of murder, some very serious sexual crimes and things like that.

And I just feel like they're getting out very, very quickly. Now, a lot of these are back in time, too, and that plays a factor. But I definitely get what she's saying, and I appreciate her calling in and kind of enlightening us on that. Always good to have some enlightening. Or enlightenment. They're both good. Yeah, it depends what you're looking for that day. Right.

Sometimes you want enlightening. Yeah. Sometimes you want enlightening. Zapp. Zapp or zip. Zapp. Hi, good day. This is Dem, and I'm going from the Philippines.

I think I'm the first caller from the Philippines. But, yeah, I've came across your podcast a couple of months ago and I've been listening to you guys since way back. Every time I'm at work or every time I'm home, it's just G-Cat all the time. So I'm Team Giebe, but I'm trying to get some Harley coins or whatever that was for Mike. And hopefully I can get that over the weekend.

But if not, well, I'll try again something. time. And again, thanks so much. It's so fun listening to you guys while I'm at work and keep your own time taken. Have a good day. Bye. Well, I can say that's our first call from the Philippines. It is from the Philippines. Is that an accent? I don't know. The Philippines really have an accent. I just remember what's her name had all the shoes from the Philippines. Is that a Melda Marcos? Yes. Is that who that is? Yeah. They always would show her closet with all. her thousands and thousands of shoes. She did have a lot of shoes.

Yeah. That's what I remember. I don't know why. That's all you remember in the history of history, or that's all you remember about the Philippines? The Philippines. Okay. Yeah.

That's where I'm at right now. That's where your head's at. Yeah. It's always good to know where Gibby's heads at in a particular situation. At least it's out in the open, you know? Your head is out in the open. Oh, all right. We appreciate those voicemails.

but do you have some mailbag Gibbs. Dina Reynolds sent us some Harley Cancousies. One for me, one for you. Cool. You can keep your... You're going to try to think of some not manly drink? Is that what you're thinking? No, I was actually trying to think of the beer that I thought you liked.

I like Blue Moon. Is it Blue Moon? I don't know why I was thinking it was like yingling or lining coogles, but... Yeah. You don't like that, huh? I mean, I don't drink it. Well, I know you'll drink it, but so Blue Moon. All right.

So you can keep your Blue Moon cold. And there was a magnet, too, a Harley Magnet, which was cool. And you can keep your Bartles and James. So I didn't hit you, but you're going to come back and hit me. That's cool. No. That's all right. I was going to say.

This way this chair, this chair gets to me, man. I was going to say something about you choosing Blue Moon, not the manliest of beers. It's actually pretty good. Don't get me wrong. Well. Blue Moon with a chaser of Jack. Oh, okay. Yeah.

And all his friends, Jim and... How many friends do you got? You got a few. Tito? Yeah, Tito. Mark. All right. It gives, we had another Harley Chip mail sorter disaster. Oh, no.

They told us what to tell everybody how to ship them. So Jeff Buck sent me a chip from Dallas, but I didn't get to see it. because it popped through a chip size hole in the envelope. And again, victimized by the Postal Service mail sorter. But I want to thank Jeff very much for the thought and taking the time to send that in. There is a postal service lost and found. You go out their website.

Pretty soon they're going to have a whole shitload of. Poker chips? Harley chips. I mean? Poker chips. Yeah. And then our good friend Jess Huey. sent in some of her pottery. I've been given her a hard time for probably over a year.

Oh. When she's always posting pictures of this awesome pottery. Yeah. And I keep saying, okay, where's our pottery? Where's it at? So what she actually made was magnets. Yeah. And they're really cool. I've never seen, I guess, would you call it a pottery magnet? Yeah, that's what I would call it. So one of them, we each got two. Yeah. One of our. says true crime all time. We both got that. Yeah. And then I got a team Fergie and you got a hashtag. They both say team Gibby. Team Gibby. She sent me the team givey too. Yeah. Yeah. So we appreciate that and we thank Jess. Awesome. Thank you. All right, everyone. That is it for another episode of true crime all the time. So for Mike and Gibby, stay safe and keep your own time ticking.