True Crime All The Time - Q&A Episode

Episode Date: September 14, 2017

Bonus Q&A episode where Mike and Gibby answer listener questions and talk about the show from it's beginning to where it is now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Everyone to a very special episode of True Crime All the Time and True Crime All The Time Unsolved. I'm your host, Mike Ferguson. With me as always is my partner in True Crime, Mike Gibson, Gibby, what is up? Man, this is like, what do you want to call that when you merge two together? A merger? This is a true crime consolidation. There you go. I like it.

So we're doing the Q&A episode. we just figured we'd put it out on both channels. So, you know, people that listen to both will listen to one or the other. If you only listen to one or the other, we'll make sure you get it that way. So a while back in the Facebook group, we asked for some questions because we said, hey, we're going to do a Q&A episode. We had a bunch come in. We also asked for voicemails.

We had some of those, not a lot gives. I think we have four to play with questions. But we're just going to go through, man, and just. kind of wang it. Let's wing it. And answer these questions. I'll wing it. You can wang it.

You wing it. I'll wang it. All right. So the first question is from Maria Ortiz. Got to give a big shout out to Maria because she's been with us Gibbs from the very beginning. Yeah. Especially like on Twitter and then on Facebook, one of our very first listeners and social

media interactors. Yeah. Been around like you said from the get go. So Maria asked if you could talk face to face with anyone that you've covered who would it be? You want me to go first? Yeah. Well, I would want her to go face to face Melissa Huckabee, because I would really like to tell her what I thought about what she did. Yeah, I know that was one that really troubled you. Yeah. When we did it. And obviously because, you know, it was a single crime. It was against a precious little girl. And I know that one really stung. Yeah,

it really messed me up. So I'd want to have a little one-on-one chat for sure. And find out why the hell she did what she did? Yep. So I think for me, I'm going to go Tommy Lin, Sells. I just think Tommy Lund Sells was just this over the top. I don't know. There was just something about that case Gibbs. If you remember, you know, the train hopping and the jumping all across the country. And there was a lot of randomness to his, his crimes and his murders. Do you be the one? He'd be the one. Who's, I'm thinking Arthur Shawcross be your number two, maybe. Oh, yeah, Arthur Shawcross would be a good, a good talk off. I'd like to get you, you guys in a cage match. No holds barred. No holes bar. It's holds. Not holes. Next question. All right. So the next question comes from Laura Cole. And she asked a similar question, but it's not directly related to just somebody that we covered. She wants to know if we could interview someone, one killer, either alive or dead. Who would it be and why? Yeah. So Gibbs, I'm going to go with the Zodiac because...

You know, I'm fascinated with the Zodiac. I'm doing that criminology podcast with Mike Morford. I've just always been fascinated with that case. Now, obviously, we don't know who it is, but the question didn't say, I guess, if we knew who it was. So I'm picking the Zodiac because I just think it would be fascinating. So if he could magically appear, boom, in front of you, like a little mask on. Yeah. Doesn't even have to. I don't even have to know who he is. Doesn't even have, I don't even have to know who it is. Yeah. It would just be fascinating to sit and ask whatever questions I wanted to and get the answers to those questions. I'd probably want to sit across from Casey Anthony.

So I would want to talk to Casey Anthony. I mean, allegedly, allegedly? Allegedly you'd want to talk to her? No, I mean, allegedly, she's an alleged. Yeah, killer. She's actually a, what do you call it? A non-convicted. Non-convicted, yeah.

But I'd like to talk to her, sit across from her, and let her know what I think. And just ask questions and tell her how you felt. about how it all went down. Give her the gibby look. What I would really like to do is talk to a victim and I would want to talk to Lacey Peterson because I would like to hear her say, yeah, Scott did it. That's what I like to hear, you know, regardless of what this latest show is out there trying to portray, you know, I would like to hear her just say, the son of bitch did it.

Yeah. No, I'm with you on that. That would have been a good question to ask if you could talk to any one victim of any of the crimes that we've done or any crime. So for me, you know, I think that's, that would be very fascinating. But I'll go Natalie Holloway then. Oh, that'd be good. On an unsolved bent because, you know, kind of like the Scott Peterson thing, they're,

they're doing a bunch of stuff now on, on Natalie and unearthing a lot of things. So if I could talk to one person, I guess that would be it. All right, Gibbs. So let's go to the next question. Karen Spent says that my idea of hell is being locked in a room with nothing but a TV that plays reruns of the show Touched by an Angel. What is your version of hell? And don't say sitting across the desk from me.

That's where I was going. Being stuck in the studio with Mike 24-7. Well, if I'm sticking with the TV theme, and you don't have to, but that's the first thing that jumped out at me. And it's a lot of people I know love this stuff. But my wife watches that HGTV, flip this, flop that, jump down, turn around. flip this again, I can't stand none of that stuff. That is like hell to me. Yeah, it drives you crazy. It does. I don't know why I love. A lot of people love those shows and my wife watches

them. I mean, if we only had HD TV on the dish or the direct TV or whatever, you would never watch TV. I wouldn't watch TV at all, but she'd be totally happy with that one channel. You never see her. Nope. Well, in the fall of that suit, I would just say if if I was stuck in a room and I had to watch the Kardashians. I'd probably put a fork in my eye. Not a big Kardashian fan. Nope. All right. So Richard Zimmer, he wants to know how long we've known each other, Gibbs. Oh, 10 years? 10, 12 years, something like that? Yeah, something like that. All right, Richard, 10, 12 years. But he's got a bunch of other stuff. He also wants to know what song on your playlist would everybody be surprised by? You mean the show tunes?

They would be surprised by all the show tunes. All the show tunes. Oh, you want me, I was just going to leave it at that. No, I want you to give a real answer, a real song. Well, I don't have a playlist on my iPhone. Do you have songs on your phone? I don't. Do you listen to music on your phone? If I do, I'll go out on that app I have.

Which is called what? What is that app called? Like Pandora? Pandora. I heart radio. Yeah, no, Pandora. Something like that. Yeah, a free one.

So you don't have any. I'll go out there. You know, I like some 80 stuff and I'll go out and listen to some 70s rock. Yeah. You know. So at my. is very diverse. I mean, it goes from, like you said, like classic 70s type rock, 80s type stuff, late 80s, early 90s rap. You a big vanilla ice fan. I know that. Not vanilla ice, but like the other

day, I was listening to F the Police by NWA. That's on my iPhone. Probably jumping around your house doing it. And then I have a ton of country. I like country. Yeah, you are a country guy. But then I may go Elvis. I may go Sam Cook. I may go opera. Not opera. I, I, I, I just, I like all kinds of different music. Disney show tunes. The only thing I don't like is like real heavy metal. I've never been into like heavy metal. Really?

Nope. And I'll give Richard one more. He actually has like 15 different questions in here. But the one I'll pick of his is if you could change careers, what would you like to do? Podcasting. Yeah. That's got to be the answer. Yeah.

I mean, you know, we put a lot of time into the podcast. This is our hobby now. But if there was some way to make a full-time job out of it, that would be. really cool. So I think we're both on the same page there. So that kind of follows into the next question by a Masha. Masha, Masha, Masha, Masha. You remember Masha? Yeah, I like Masha. So she asks, how do your wives slash children fill about you doing the podcast? Well, my wife is a huge true crime person. She watches that, you know, ID and oxygen and stuff, you know, all day, all night, even when I wake up a middle of night. She's watching it. And your daughter is too. My daughter is a huge true crime

fan. My son, eh, not so much, you know, but my daughter is, I mean, I'm talking huge. So they like it, you know, they. Whereas my family, my wife and two daughters, they don't give a rat's ass about it. Don't listen to it. No. Wouldn't care to listen to it. Well, my wife won't listen to me because she doesn't want to hear my voice. Oh, well, my daughter listens. Yeah. But my wife doesn't. But she's big into true crime. But she's big in the true crime. So I should put out an episode that where I just cut you out completely and send it to her. Then she'd probably listen. She might listen to that. Yeah. The rest of the audience would not. They got to have their gibby, man. I like that. Yeah. Then Masha also asked, what sparked our interest towards true crime? And for me, it goes way back. I mean,

I've been into true crime since I was a little kid. I remember reading like encyclopedia Brown books as a kid. And then, you know, graduating into Helter Skelter and Anne Rule, a lot of John Douglas books, the FBI. Oh, I thought it was going to be the Nancy Drews that you read. Oh, the Hardy Boys. I forgot about the Hardy Boys, too. That was a little mystery action. Yeah, so I like the Hardy Boys, a little Scooby-Doo mystery, too. I did watch a lot of Scooby-Doo. Yeah. I don't know if I'd call that true crime, but it kind of fueled the-sparked your interest?

Yeah, into the mystery of it all. But then, you know, I like to read a lot. So, you know, even as a kid, I did. And then once I got older and I got into some of the more popular true crime books, the end cold blood and, and a lot of the, like the encyclopedia type serial killer books. I really got fascinated with all that stuff. Yeah. I had to go with Jack the Ripper. Kind of got you into it. Yeah. I know your old gives, but damn. Spark my interest. You're reading it in the newspaper back then. Yeah. And the, the, the, Black Dala? Dahlia. What I say? I thought Black Dala is what it sounded like. We'll go with it.

So Shelby asked, in the beginning, it sounded uncertain as to whether Ghibi would be a regular host. And it did, right? The first episode you and I did together. Right. The second episode was the only episode I did by myself. Exactly. And so she wants to know what made you decide to go all in? Me?

Mm-hmm. You know what? Me, Mike, are good friends. So I mean, I enjoyed, you know, so when Mike asked me, you know, I was on the fence, said, try one with me. I did it, enjoyed it. And then, you know, Mike tried one without me. And then we talked and I said, I don't think I can do this, man. It's really hard.

I said, I'll do it with you, man, because I enjoyed it. We had fun. And it just kind of spun from there. Yeah. I mean, you know, it was really me coming to you saying, hey, I'm thinking about doing a true crime podcast. Would you be willing to try one with me to see what you think? And then just kind of went from there. Yeah, just kind of spun.

And before we knew it, we were talking about doing true crime all the time unsolved. And now we're just busy, busy. And the rest is history. That's right. So I want to play the first voicemail. And that comes from Samantha. Hey, Mike and Gibney. This is Samantha called for Virginia.

I just love the podcast. I can tell you guys are good friends, but are you really good friends. Would you help each other hide a body? I'm just asking for a friend. So she's just asking for a friend, Gibbs, would we help each other hide a body? And I think you and I have joked about this before. I don't know if it was on the Facebook group. It might have been. Or not, but the joke was, how does she know that we haven't already? Right. But in reality, even though we are really good friends, I wouldn't help you hide a body. Plain and simple.

So, I mean, interesting question, because Mike's wife actually asked me that same question. Did she? said, would you help me hide a body? And I said, who we talking about? And she did that little eye roll, like, glance over, yeah, head and not eye roll. Kind of keep you in on who it might be. Yeah. Happened to have the insurance policy laying out on the island there, and I've seen it. And I thought. And maybe that's, that's part of the question, right? Who is it? Yeah. I mean, is it just some stranger? Is it somebody we know? So, I mean, I guess the important thing was we just learned that Mike does have morals. I do. He does draw the line somewhere. I do. So you won't help hide the body, but will you help take care of what needs to be take care of before the body

needs to be buried? I'm not big into breaking the law. Let's put it that way. So Jackie Lee Fitzgerald Wood has a question, Gibbs, and she asked, do either of us have a history of crime in our families? Man, yeah. I know you have a lot of stories of crime that happened like around your, where you've lived. where I lived, where I worked, even in my family, you know, going back to great, great grandfather who shot a man that was sleeping with your great-great-grandmother? Yeah. And then I had another great-great-grandmother on the other side that slid a man's throat, so while he was sleeping.

So, yeah, there's a little... You got a little history. A little history there way back in the day. And like I said, I've unfortunately had somebody that I worked. with that murdered somebody and had a neighbor across the street that murdered his family and had a babysitter whose family was murdered by a ex-boyfriend. So yeah, seen it. And you've had a lot of crime touch you in some form or the other. Yeah, in some form or the other. But, you know, going back to the family history, you know, I mean, that's how you end up with a

monitoring bracelet. I don't have any such family history. And I don't even have like neighbors or I don't have any of the stories that you have. I think your family was just, they had a true friend that would help them bury the body. They probably did. So it never came out. Exactly. So the moral of the story there is number one, don't buy a house at Gibby's neighborhood because the shit's going to go down. That's right. And number two, just stay away from Gibby. So Darcy Cole asked, is this our first crime discussion venture together? And the answer to that Gibbs is yes, right? We've never done anything before. We'd never done any other podcast, especially true crime or anything. Right. So that answer is pretty easy. But she goes on to ask, and there was a lot of people that asked this same thing. It was

really about, you know, how do you collect the facts? How do you, how do you do all the research for a case? How long does it take? There's a bunch of different questions along that same vein. And most of it is computer work. I mean, we're not traveling to. I think if we tell them, we have to kill them. I don't want to have to do that. But no, I mean, a lot of it is, it's just good old-fashioned research. Yep. Because she asked the question, does anyone ever slam the door in your face?

And the answer to that is no, because we're not, we're not reaching out to really talk to victims a lot. We've talked about. That we have. One day how we would like to go more in-depth, right? And actually fly to these locations and spend quite a bad. quite a bit of time and reaching out to people and kind of go deep with it. But, you know, it's not practical right now. No, right now it's not with the way that our, you know, our main jobs are and things like that. But, you know, just to give a little bit of, you know, background about what

it takes to do an episode from researching to writing to actually recording it and then editing it afterwards. Because all my ums and my 13, 22, 32 calibers. Yeah. Got to fix that. Got to fix that. I mean, it is, it's a full-time job. Let's put it that way. Yeah, sometimes it feels like more than that. In the number of hours.

There's no doubt about it. So one of the other questions that she asked Gibbs was a P.S. Do either of us know if we think we could plan the perfect murder? Well, you know, so probably 10, I'm going to say 10 episodes in, 12 episodes in. I think I started scaring Mike because I would do all this research and Mike would and we'd come to the studio and start talking and I would say things like, you know, so I was driving from work or driving to work the other day or driving home from work to the studio. And all I could do is think about when I passed like a hitchhiker or somebody, how could you do what some of these people do,

you know, and just kind of run it through my head. How could you do it and get away with it that you would never be able to be accused? Or be caught or have it tie back to you. Yeah. This probably doesn't help my case. No, it doesn't. But it sounds kind of more. but you're not the only one. I mean, if you look out on our group or other people's groups, there's people talking about that all the time. They think about stuff like that. It doesn't mean they're going to do it.

No. But it's such a morbid curiosity of, you know, okay, there's a hitchhiker on the side of the road. If I was Tommy Lynn Sells and I wanted to murder someone, how would I do that? Yeah. So do I think I could pull it off? Yeah.

And I don't. I go the other direction because, not today. I just don't think I could. If we were talking about the 50s or the 60s, something like that, and especially even earlier, then yeah, I think I could. But today with, you know, all the technology and the DNA and, I mean, I could go all Dexter, I guess, because I did like Dexter a lot. Yeah. Yeah, I'd have to, I'd have to completely shave. I'd have to suit up. It would be a whole, it seems like a lot more trouble than, you know. It could be done. Well, and you got to be careful. I mean, your fingerprints already out there. Oh, yeah.

But yeah, I mean, when you talk fingerprints, you talk DNA. Fingerprints, I think you're okay with, right? I mean, you can wear gloves. But the DNA thing is what gets me. Is a dog hair somehow going to get stuck to your pants? Let's take my shop back to me before I go out, man. Just go over my whole body. One of those lint rolls.

Yeah. Lent roll brush. Yeah. That's the kind of stuff that I think of that you just don't know, like what you're carrying on, maybe on your clothes or. So now at CrimeCon, no one's the one of. Nobody's going to sit near me. They're definitely not going to want to ride in our car to go to lunch.

Yeah. Who wants to go to lunch with Gibby? That's for sure. Nobody, okay. So Ashley Marble asked the question, which serial killers are you most interested in? And it's a little bit different than the who would you most like to talk to? And I'll start this one out, Gibbs, because now she says serial killers. So I'll stick to that.

I, you know, I'm very interested in Manson. I mentioned Helter Skelter earlier. I've always been very, very interested in Manson. But if I'm going straight serial killer, then I'll probably go Dahmer. I think Dahmer's just got, you know, a lot of fascination to him. And that's where I was going to go because I would say anybody that's been involved with cannibalism, just because I'm trying to figure out what would drive you to that, you know? That, and there's a few people, right?

And we haven't done him. yet. There's a couple of big ones that we've kind of been holding off on. We are going to do. But yeah, I think Dahmer is just such an interesting study in human behavior. I think the other one maybe be gasey just to see, you know, what does he think about the new it movie? Because of the clown. Because the clown. He's not happy about the portrayal of the clown. Yeah. But I think you could throw all the, all the big timers in there, right? Bundy's fascinating. They're all fascinating. All right, we got a voicemail from Steve Cantrell. Hi, this is Steve Cantrell again.

I appreciate the shout out. I didn't realize the first time I called, didn't really ask your question. That's what I'd like to know is, could you describe the area where you record the podcast? I know it's in, I guess, your house, but just the area is kind of a layout, how it's set up. Thanks. All right. Good question from Steve. It's kind of like what a hitman asked before he takes you out.

Describe. And could you give your address over the airwaves? What's the thickness of the walls? What's the distance from the window to the microphone? No. I mean, from my seat, I mean,

we got a nice little studio desk here with multiple monitors and electronic devices. That Gibby doesn't know. So obviously we're in my house. Yeah. In your studio. Yeah. And it's in the basement. It's in like a corner of the basement.

We have like an L-shaped desk like Gibby mentioned with a bunch of monitors and all the- finished basement. It's nice. Oh, yeah. I mean, it's not, it's not a dungeon. No, no. It's halfway nice. Mike has nice equip. Did you just say Mike? You were getting right to say it. I started. I pulled back, man. Mike has nice equipment. Because I just know that you would use that against me somehow. That's going in. I'm leaving it in. Yeah. Mike has quality microphones.

Um, so yeah. That is the one thing that that we did, you know, to start out. We, we invested early on in, equipment for a hobby. Right. And I'm glad that that we did because I think it paid off. Well, I think we hear that early on we did. I think we still do that the quality of the sound is better than some of the podcasts that are more popular than ours is what, at least that's what I hear on social media. And we did do what? The first five or six with you over Skype. They weren't horrible, but they're better with us sitting in the studio. I guess the only issue that I would say I have with the studio is that, so on the walls around the studio is that Mike is a huge UK fan. So I have to look at all these UK, you know, frame, wildcat, pitchers. Rupperina. Yeah. But besides

that, it's all right. It's nice, nice little cozy studio. So Tony Engler asked, have you guys thought about doing an episode focused on a single crime, single victim, rather than serial killers? He says, know you do this a little bit more in unsolved. Now, we have done some of that. We did Melissa Huckabee, who murdered Sandra Cantu. So we have done some of that on true crime all the time. We do tend to focus more on, if not true, serial killers, people that have committed more, you know, multiple murders. Yeah. But we also did Christopher Porco. We've done a number of them. Yeah. We've done a few of them. Yeah. But yeah, I guess to answer Tony's question, we're definitely not opposed to that. You know, I think at this point, Gibbs, we've got so many cases to pick from.

It's just hard to choose week to week. So Kelly George asked Gibbs, what's a typical day in the life of you and I? And then she says, does Fergie have a nickname? Well, he thinks he does. He calls himself Fergie-Licious a lot, which I don't understand that. It's Fergolicious. Yeah, whatever. No.

My daughter does go by that. Yeah. But that is my, that is my nickname, Ferg or Fergie. Yeah, and that's what people call them. Yeah, Ferg and Fergie. Yep. But a typical day is probably not too exciting. No.

It is go to work. Yep. For nine, 10 hours. Yep. Come home, eat with the family. And then for me, at least, as soon as they all go to bed, then I spend the next, you know, four hours or so. Researching, editing. Yeah.

Doing podcast work. My TV watching has gone down considerably. Yeah, same here. Since we started the podcast. You're not knitting it as much. as you used to either. No, I was making, I was doing a lot of, you put out some nice quilts, man. Yep.

Shut up. All right, we got another voicemail, Gibbs. Hi, Mike and Gibby. This is Carmen from Ludington, Michigan. I had thought of when I was listening to your podcast on the Menendos brothers and Peter Hucklis. And that was about people who marry or get into intimate relationships with convicted, violent criminal, especially women.

It seems more women do this or perhaps they just get reported on. I just wanted to know what your take was on that. Thank you again for creating a great show. Keep up the good work and keep your own time picking. Thanks. Bye. So would that be the pity factor? Well, I wanted to start off by saying if Carmen sounds familiar, her voicemail was on last week's

episode, I cut this part out of it. So she was probably like, that damn Ferguson didn't play my whole voicemail. She from San Diego? No, I thought she just said she was from Michigan, didn't she? Carmen in San Diego. Where in the world is Carmen San Diego? Yeah. That's a good one.

I have them every now and then. I don't think it's the pity factor. Oh, maybe. Maybe it's the broken factor. The women think they can fix them? I think it's a couple components. I think that might be part of it. I also think, and it's not my own thought, I've read this somewhere, where it might be

that they know where these men are. And they're getting a lot of attention. They're getting all their attention, right? So they're getting all these letters. That's true. They're getting this outpour. of affection through letters and phone calls and, and, you know, it's all centered around. Yeah, the communication's high. Yeah. Yeah. Because what else do these people have to do? You know,

write letters. They're happy to make phone calls because I got to make them collect anyway. So if somebody's willing to accept the charges. Yeah. And they're dying and talk to somebody. They've been in a cell all day. And then they're going to listen to you. And you're like, oh, someone's finally listening to me. But there's, you know, I have read some things about that, and I don't know, who it is. I can't remember, you know, who wrote it, but that there's a thought that because these women know where this man is, he's not going anywhere. They don't have to worry about him cheating. Nope. Besides with the cellmate. Yeah, there might be some of that. Yeah. Voluntarily or involuntarily. I don't know. Depend upon who the cellmate is. I think that's part of it too. But a lot of it,

I think, is that they're just getting so much affection, attention, you know, all this loving communication that they're happy with that type of relationship, I guess. And I don't know that the fact that these people are or have been convicted of doing something horrible plays into it. I just don't think they care about that part. No, I don't think so. All right, Gibbs, the next question comes from Gene Lopez and she's got a lot of different questions here. So, but one of the questions that she asked is how long does it take you to record an episode? Oh boy. And that's all over the map. Yeah, depends. and so many different factors. Yeah, I mean, we've, you know, a normal episode for us when it comes out is anywhere from

usually, what, an hour, 10, hour 20. Yeah. Somewhere in that neighborhood. Yeah. But we've recorded for two and a half hours, three. To get that. Three and a half hours sometimes. Right.

To get that. So. And then the other part that she asked is, what do we do for fun to mellow out? And I know that this is something that you talked about, Gibbs. before, you know, some of this research is really tough for you, stays with you. Like, you have to cleanse it. You have to purge it. So I guess she's asking, what do we do for fun? Well, I still do the male exotic dancing. In your free time. You've had to cut back on it, I know, because of all the podcasting. Yeah, but it's fun. You know, get the chaps out.

Yeah. You know. Assless. Do what I got. As if there is another kind. Yeah, do what I got to do. No, I tried to, I actually just try to watch stupid comedy stuff, man. That's, that's what helps me. forget the stuff I researched. I watch always Sunny in Philadelphia on Netflix. That falls in line with the stupid comedy stuff. Yeah, because what we're researching and what we're talking about is often so dark. And it's why we do try to lighten it up sometimes. You know, we're not a comedy show by any means.

But if we say something stupid, we might go with it just to give a break in the episode. Yeah, it's so heavy, man. It is. We've got to do something. But I'm with you. I listen to a couple of comedy podcasts every now and then, like on my drives into work and on my way back. But if I'm home and I'm not podcasting or I'm not doing podcast work or sometimes even when I am, I'll just throw always sunny on Netflix.

So the one, the other question that Gene had that hasn't already been asked is what's one case for each of us that we don't want to cover for any reason? Do you have one to give? I don't know if I have a case I would not cover. I have cases that I think would be tough for me to cover. But if the interest was there, I would do it. Like I said, anytime I do research with anything involved with little kids, it messes me up to the point I have a hard time eating, sleeping and all that. So I could do it.

You know, I think for me, tough would be like Sandy Hook. Oh, yeah. Things like that, I would do it, but it would be really tough because, You know, just the love I have for little kids. John Bonnet, I think, would be a tough one. Yeah. Because of the way it happened. Not to say that we wouldn't do it at some point in time.

That one's such a big case that... You know, yeah, if we don't do it, the people say that we should do it. And then if we do do it, they say, we already heard it so many times we don't want you guys to do it. And that's kind of what, you know, when we started this podcast, it's one of the reasons why we do a lot of lesser known cases is because, when you get into a lot of the forums and stuff, you hear people, no, you don't hear them because you're watching it, you see them make comments such as, oh, I can't stand to hear so-and-so one more time because there are so many podcasts out there that have already done, you know, the Gacy, the Dahmer. But I think we're at a point now, Gibbs, where, and I've heard this from some of our

fans, you know, do it. We want to hear your spin, even if a lot of the facts are the same, which they should be because they're facts. If anything, you know, I think we go heavy on facts, but they say that they'd love to hear our spin on it. So I kind of went sideways on that question a little bit. And Joe DeVee, who we love. We love Joe. We do. Also asked how long is it take to record? She said how long does it take to record both episodes a week? And I would say it's anywhere from at a minimum five hours to record. Yes. And it could go to six, could potentially go to seven. Yeah, I mean, I've been here almost to two o'clock at night before.

Right. You know, so we normally start, if we're doing it after work, we start around six. Yep. And we have gone to one, two. So it could go six, seven, eight hours. The longer we go, the better the bloopers are. Well, that's true. Yeah.

Speaking of bloopers, I don't know. We got a lot of good comments about the Easter egg bloopers that I stuck at the end of last week's episode, but I don't know if everybody heard them. Yeah. I'm just going to throw it out right now. If you didn't, go back and listen to the episode at the very end. Yeah, it's actually after the ending music. So I think a lot of people probably turn it off.

Don't listen to the whole thing. It's kind of like going to the movies and seeing the credits and getting up and walking out. Then they come back and play a little bit. That's right. I like a good blooper reel. Now everybody's going to think you're going to do a blooper reel after each one, though. I will if we keep messing up as much as we did. The one thing about that one that I really wanted to put out was because I jacked it all up.

About time. You take responsibility. And I did. I took full responsibility. Now, for those people that are with us on Patreon, they've heard some of your goofs and gaffs and some of mine too, but. I'm sure there's more me than you. I put a little bit more on. I think you probably do. For you. So Trevor Durant wants to know what's our favorite episode so far. If you had to pick one episode as your favorite Gibbs, what would you pick? Man, that's tough. I'm probably going to say for me it was Scott Peterson. You like Scott Peterson episode? Yeah. I think I'll go Arthur Shawcross. That was my second choice. Yeah.

Yeah. But part due. Oh, you like to part do? Yeah, part dua. All right. So we got a voicemail from Melania Slater. Big, big contributor on social media Gibbs. Hey, Mike and Gibby.

It's Melina calling from Calgary, Alberta, Canada. I am just calling to ask you guys a question for your Q&A show. and I am just calling to ask, would you rather spend 10 years behind bars for a crime you didn't commit? Or would you rather get away with doing something horrible but live in fear that you're going to be caught? Give that some thought and keep up the good work. Love the show. Thanks. Bye.

Thanks, Melana. Gibbs, I don't have to give that one too much thought. Okay. Because I'm not spending 10 years in jail. Me neither. So I'm going with option two. Same here. As horrible as that sounds.

Yeah. I can't, I mean, this face, man, I can't make it in jail. No, you wouldn't. I get tore up. No. No, you would. Your cellmate would have a field day. No, I just, I don't, I'm not a structured person.

So your morals went out real fast, by the way. They did. Yeah. You were not willing to help me, you know, take care of a body. But this, this is something it's already happened. It's already done. She's, she's, she's, hypothesizing. I've already done it. So the question is, would I rather spend 10 years in jail?

No, because the first one was 10 years in jail for a crime I didn't even commit. Yeah. I sure don't want to do that. No. I don't want to spend 10 years in jail for a crime I committed either. Right. This is why I follow the rules. So hey, try to find me. Until you find me, I'm living, living free. But either way, the answer is I don't want to spend 10 years in jail. So it's whatever other option is available is the one I'd take it. If we go to jail, would she come visit us? I think Melana would be a long drive or she'd have to fly in. Well, unless we were up in Canada when we did it. Oh. That's where she's at, you know. If you're going to do something, I think you do want to do it in Canada. I think so too. Because I think you have a better chance of getting let out early.

From what I understand, you get out really early from that the, that's couple killers. Yeah. You know, we've talked about Carla Hamulca and Paul Bernardo. And I, she's, He's already out. I think he's either getting ready to get out. She's probably listening right now going, yeah, go to Canada. Trust me. Carla. I doubt she listens to the podcast.

I don't know. You'd be surprised. Hey, if you do listen, drop those a message, let us know. Or do your case. Gibby's always wanting to get a call. So the next question is from Travis Gintz. And I hope I'm saying your last name, right, Travis. Travis is the guy that is always putting the cool memes out.

He's the king of memes, but man, he knows you the other day. He did. Really good. He did. I got to get some better pictures of myself out there too because my face looks so fat, my eyes are barely open. It was a great. I loved, I couldn't stop laughing. I know. It was pretty funny. So he says, it kind of goes back to what we were just saying. Do you guys ever think about the fact that there probably is or are serial killers who listen to the show, members of our pages, our groups, and he says, I know you guys joke about it, but it's very likely that at least one person does.

Trevor. Travis. Travis? Are you trying to tell us something, buddy? No, I think there's a potential of somebody on the wrong side of the light listening and watching. Yeah, I like the way you phrase that. Yeah. On the wrong side of the light.

And I think you ought to give us a call. And if you are, Gibby wants to hear from you. Yeah. From a distance. From a distance, exactly. No, I mean, I agree with you. I think there's a very good chance. Because here's the other thing, Gibbs, and we talk about a lot of bad people, right, on the episodes.

My thought is, there's a shitload more bad people that don't get caught. Oh, yeah. There's a lot of bad people out there. There's a lot of good people. Don't get me wrong. The percentage is still very small. Yeah, but they're out there. There are active serial killers in the hundreds, is my assumption, all across the country.

There's always people teetering. They're right on the fence, do I? Do I? Is today the day? So can I do it? I don't know. I'd say chances are, have gone up dramatically as the show's gotten more popular because the number of downloads, listens has gone up.

But if you're thinking about doing something bad, don't do it. Walk away. I agree with that. It's not worth it. We're not looking for new subject matter. We've got plenty of cases to cover. Yeah, there's enough out there for us. We're good.

Thank you, though, for thinking of us. That's the one thing. You know, we're not advocating anybody do anything for sure. So Joe Farrar and Joe's great, great supporter all over. over the page a lot. Joe wants to know, and I think maybe you've already touched on it gives, but is there a case that we covered where we got so emotional that we had to take a break before finishing it? Yeah, there was a couple times that we were recording. And I think, you know, Melissa Huck could be Santra. That was one that, you know, both you and I both got choked up talking

about that we just needed to just stop for a minute and get to recompose ourselves. And there's been a few other ones that it was just, I think it was, well, Arthur Shawcross, that was one that was a little bit with the kids. Oh, yeah, the part about the kids was tough. Now, for me, you know, we did that listener hometown with Jordan. Oh, early on. The follow-up one was tough on you. And then the follow-up Skype with, you know, her parents, which you couldn't make. I couldn't make it. So I had to do that on my own. And that was tough. Yeah, you remember you talking about that one. Because I, you know, I cried during that they were crying, I cry. I mean, it was a really tough interview. And I'm sure there's a lot of people that had never even listened to that one. Yeah. Because it's kind of like an add on. Right.

It's just me talking with the parents, but it was very, very tough. Yeah. And partly because of the emotion, you know, that they had, but also because I, I wasn't expecting that. You know, we kind of research these cases and talk about them from afar. Yeah, we never get, and I remember you call on me, know, when they reached out to you. Yeah, because I had no idea. You were nervous. Yeah, I had no idea if they were, her mom, Bianca, who's the first to reach out to me. I had no idea if she was going to be upset at the way that we covered the case.

And then on top of that, you know, when we did the unsolved on the Colonial Parkway murders, Kathy's brother Bill reached out to us. And I had that same feeling. I remember we were at CrimeCon when we got the, when he reached out to you. And we were like, man, we hope, we hope that he. felt we did justice, but what if he didn't? Yeah, right. I had no idea. Now, it turned out good. Yes. And he's actually, you know, follows us and he's posted recently on the, on the, on the Facebook group. But when you first get that email or voicemail or whatever that somebody wants to talk to you, it's kind of a sinking feeling.

Yeah. Because you, you don't know if they're going to be upset at the way that you talked about the case or that, hey, you didn't do it justice. but luckily so far we haven't had that problem. So the last question Gibbs comes from Kate Clare and she's in Stanley Bridge, Canada. Not sure where that is, but. And her question is she wants to know if we find it hard to do cases outside of the states due to the different laws. And she actually says living in Canada,

she understands the U.S. justice system better than Canada's. So take that for what you will. Yeah. And my extensive background in international law, criminal law. Ex-prosecutor. And my extensive... Adjunct professor of law. I mean, you know how well I do with the, of course, my native English language and the multiple

other languages that I'm fairly fluent. And yeah, no, it's tough, you know, because we're not from there. So we're not going to know, you know, Mike knows much more than I do, if that's for sure. About everything. I mean, that's just a general statement you're making. Not everything. What's wrong with you, man? Well, you didn't qualify it.

You didn't say Mike knows more about X. So I'm just taking that as a general statement. Yeah. But, you know, we have it. We ventured into Canada. We've ventured over to England. Mm-hmm. We're going to go to some other places.

Yeah. I'm getting ready. Maybe Taiwan. But I do think it's tough. You're going to Taiwan? Taiwan. I do think it's tough because we can't pronounce all the city names and all that here in the U.S.

You sure can't. I can't, dude. Some of them are hard. I'd nail it, man. Illinois. I get tortured about my names and city names from down in Louisiana. What's that drinking game? If I just say Illinois a few times, they have to drink.

People will be drunk. There's a lot of drinking games. Yeah. A lot centered around how I like to start my sentences. And I've actually had to stop saying certain things. You do, man. Yeah, you're pretty conscious about it now. Now Gibbs.

Yeah. That's one of them. Now Gibbs. But if I didn't say it, would the show be the show? No. You gotta just like. Stay true to yourself. If you said, if you stop talking about movies and then 10 words in, realizing that you don't know what movie you're talking about or what the movie's about.

I always know what the movie's about. The show would not be the same. Maybe I don't translate what the movie's about. Did you say translate? That's what you were going with. That's what I'm going with. Okay. I just wasn't sure it came out a little funky.

Yeah, well, that's, that's me. I liked the last week, Caligula. Caliglia. That's getting a lot of play. Yeah, that whole orgy thing. That's getting a lot of play, too. Yeah. It's a good book.

Did you ever see the movie? Colligula? Yeah. No. All the main stars at it back in the day. No. Uh-uh. I was probably like three years old.

So just to finish up on Kate's question, I mean, sometimes it is hard. because at least in the states, you know, we have a better understanding of the justice system, you know, especially with Canada. I have a hard time understanding and talking about, you know, how somebody does something, you know, so horrific and then is out walking the streets in five, six, seven years. Fraction of the time they would get here. Where we're here, they would probably never see the streets again. Right. So it is a much different system. I think we- And that was Gibby's phone because he fails to put it on airplane mode. You couldn't.

Okay. I guarantee if people heard that. If you heard my phone. Vibrating. Let us know. If you're hashtag Team Gibby, say no. But no, we've been wanting to go down the South America because, I mean, some of the, the, I mean, far as number wise, right?

Some of the bigger serial killers that top the charts are from South America. South America, Russia. Yeah. in Russia, but we don't, we don't know those individual laws there. So it's a little bit hard to talk about it. Well, and there's some cases where the names are just so hard to say. It would make for a long episode of you and I trying to. It make a long recording session for you, for me to get through it. Yeah. Yeah. It could be tough. But we are trying to branch out, cover some cases outside of the U.S. Again, we try to find some that not every,

podcast covers. Was that your family walking upstairs? I think it was, yeah. So if you heard that, let them know. All right. So I'm going to ask Mike a question. And it kind of goes around like the game of clue. Is that what you say?

It's the game of clue, the one where the librarian was in the kitchen with a candle holder. The librarian was in the kitchen. Mrs. Robinson. Mrs. Robinson. The colonel. You know what? Colonel. Colonel muster.

Yeah. With the candlestick holder. in the library. Library. Not the librarian who's in the kitchen. That's clue. Yeah. Okay.

Not the way you're saying it. All right. Well, you know where I'm going. It's another movie, by the way. It is another movie. You're right. So if you were in the game of Clue, who would you be? First of all, I'd be the librarian because it's not a character.

So I'd be safe. What room would you be in? And what would be your choice of weapon? I would be Professor Plum in the study with the K-bar. That's not a. weapon on the board. I think there's a knife in there. You're asking me?

I don't know. It's not like I played clue since I was 13 years old. So in real world, if you were this murderer, what would be your choice of weapon? Oh, man. Now you're getting really like, for some reason, I feel like if I was and I would never be, I could, I relate to Dexter for some reason a lot. Yeah, you like that Dexter. I really like that show.

So I think I would be, now I like to think I would be like super methodical about it and real analytical, like in every step of it, like Dexter was, as opposed to somebody that just was very sloppy and did things kind of, you know, half ass or by the seat of their pants. Yeah. You're really taking me down to dark road where I'm thinking about what type of killer I would be. Yeah. But if I'm answering the question, honestly, I think that's probably what I would be because I wouldn't want to get caught. Right. And that would be my main, like I think a lot of these people that we profile, I mean, sure, they don't want to get caught.

But I don't think it's like their every thought, right? How do I not get caught? How do I not get caught? No, I think most of them do it at the spur or the, you know. I think their main thought is I got to satisfy whatever frog demon. Right. Going back to the frog demon, I think that's the overriding factor, not how do I do it in the best way possible all the time. Yeah.

It's more like, okay, where's my next opportunity? And when I see it, I'm going to take it. And sometimes that means it's sloppy. It's done hastily. So the follow up behind that to take you to the brighter side, if you are on the law enforcement or the crime solving side, what do you think? your biggest contribution would be to help solve a case. And there again, I go straight back to Dexter. I think I would be more on the forensic side of things, just given the way that my mind works. I think if I was in some type of law enforcement, I would prefer to be, you know, in forensics.

And follow up question? You're trying to paint me into something. I don't know. So if someone had to play Mike Ferguson in a movie? Who would you want to play you? What actor? Well, just on looks alone, I have to go Ryan Gosling. No, I'm kidding. Well, when you were 18? If he was, if he was still alive, it'd probably be Philip Seymour Hoffman.

He's not, though, so I got to pick somebody else. Would that have been his Twister days? From the Boogie Knights. Boogie Night? From the Boogie Knights. Okay. Philip Seymour Hoffman. Now, I'm going to go, I'm going to go out of the box.

I'm going to go with, um, Jeff Bridges, the dude. You're going to go with the dude. I'm going to go with the dude. During the dude time? Yeah. He has to play it as the dude. As the dude.

Okay. Yeah. One of my favorite movies. Yeah, that's a good movie. Love it. Yeah. It's not called the dude, though. No, it's not called the dude.

It's called the Big Lobowski. I just like the character, the dude. All right, Gibbs, I'll turn it back around on you a little bit. Not so much, you know, what type of murder you would be. Because I think everybody knows that. I don't even think that you need to answer it. I think most people know what type you would be. Because I'm good with my K-bar.

Yeah. Got some skills. I think they got a good handle, a good reading on you. You think? Yeah, I'm a little bit more behind the veil. Yeah. You're a little more out front? Out front with your stuff.

But it's more about the love. We'll call it Team Gibby Love. How blown away have you been since we started this podcast just about social media? Oh, I'm floored that we got people that like to listen to us. Yep. Number one. I am. Because what, you know, what do we think?

A couple hundred people might listen? I didn't even think that, man. I thought, I thought if friends and family listened to the first one coming out of the gate, that would be pretty good. And the fact that it was way more than that, I thought, what is going on here? And then it kept on growing. I thought, I can't believe people are actually listening to us. I really did.

Well, into the hundreds of thousands an episode. Yeah. It just blew me away. We thought it was, okay, maybe 200 people will listen to an episode. I mean, and to get up where we're at now and to those numbers, man, it just blows me away. It is pretty unbelievable. And then, you know, like I said, the social media is the next component. It cracks me up.

It's fun. I love it. I love it a lot. And one thing about you and I that I think people realize is we can take it. We have no problem getting a little ribbing here and there because we get a kick out of it. Yeah. I mean, you know, I get the ribbon when we're. recorded and I certainly get the ribbing on social media, but that's all right. I'm a big boy.

Well, and I think that's part of what people like about the show. I mean, they like the fact that you and I are friends. We give each other shit. We can give it. We can take it. And we do that in social media with people. Yeah. They give it. We push back, give it back. And I think that they like it that, you know, as busy as we are, you know, with our full-time jobs and, you know, the full-time podcasting, especially for you. I mean, you got multiple podcasts going. Right. That, we still take the time. I mean, we're on social media and that's us. That's us talking to everybody, right? It's not somebody that does social media for us. It's actually us. It is. I mean, we do it all. And it's not just social media. I mean, we get so many emails. I think people would be blown away by how many

emails we get that people don't see. Or like, what do you call them, instant messages on Facebook or DM and I am and all that stuff. Yeah, DMs on Twitter. Is that what they're called? Yeah. Shit, I don't know. It is. We're so technologically challenged. But yeah, we get them.

I mean, and there's some listeners, what I call, I mean, friends, really, that we talk to all time. Yeah, I mean, there's some that I know that I'm going to get a message every Sunday night after. I mean, I'll just throw it after. I mean, like, Jess. Yeah. Every Sunday night after the, she listens, she'll reach out and she'll want to talk about it. And we love that.

Yep. It's very, very cool. and we just want to say how much we, and we say it every episode, but we do really appreciate everybody. We do, man. It's not lip service. It's not BS. You're all great. It's unbelievable.

Team Gibby love you. Yep. But we love all of you. No matter what side. When I started asking the question. I think you were just wanting to know what, how you felt about. How I felt that there's fact that there's people out there that are team Gibby, that people, you know, are like cheering for me. Which is, which I love.

It blows me away. I love it. Which I love that. So Jessica put out the question on both Twitter and Facebook, you know, are you team Ghiby or team Fergie? Which I thought was a lot of fun. Obviously, there's a lot of team Ghiby. And then there was a lot of, there was some team Fergie, but there was a lot of team true

crime all time. Yeah. And I think it's a funny, it's fun no matter what. But I think everybody realizes that it wouldn't be the same if I did it by myself. It wouldn't be the same if you tried to. do it by yourself. No, it's a chemistry. And I think everybody's team T-Cat. Yeah. You know, and then I think, you know, like- And that's the main part. Yeah. And Jessica was probably the first one that, that came out with Team Ghibie. She came out with that because she wanted to get a little merch that had that on it.

And it's just kind of developed from there. I'm still waiting for you to open up your wallet to get some the merch that says Team Givie on it. Team Ghibia. Hashtag. All right, Gibbs. We got anything else? No, I'm excited to see how my, you know, I'm starting to do some amateur. tattooing. Are you? So. On yourself or other people? No, actually your daughter's going to be the first one.

Oh, she signed up? Yeah, she wanted something cute on top of her foot or something like that. Does it say hashtag team gibby? Absolutely. I can see you doing that. You know, like when you say that to start out the conversation. Yeah. I have to like literally for a split second think, is he really doing that?

Is he really getting an amateur tattooing? Yeah. Yeah. I'll have my kit with me at CrimeCon. Because it wouldn't surprise me if you came out. and said, you know, I just started doing some amateur tattooing, just got into it. I could probably do it. Bought the ink, bought the needles.

I don't have a steady hand. That's the only problem. But if you like something different, you know, like I color outside the lines. Yes, you do. So, you know, I'm the guy for you. You're like the lady in the Snickers commercial where the guy wants no regrets. No, that's right. And it turns out no regrets.

Well, yeah. Clearly, some people have an issue with my. English language skills. They do. So I get emails about it on a regular basis. Probably not the person that you want to do your tattoo. And that's what's funny. Kind of, you know, before we end it, kind of going back to all the social media. So we have a lot of the folks that have been with us for a long time. And they understand the dynamic very well. You know, they understand, you know, I'm probably going to do most of the talking. You're going to interject here and there. It's kind of the way the show has evolved.

Sure. We're both going to go. goof every now and then, but it's not a comedic show, even though people say they laugh out loud sometimes. But I get these emails from people that are finding the show. Those are the ones that are really funny because I still get probably four or five emails a week telling me what Dillens is from the BTK episode. That was like episode, what, three, four, five, five, six. I don't know, I don't even remember the numbers. Yeah, back in the day. Back in the day. So I'm still getting, you know, four or five emails a week from that, I get emails on a regular basis saying, you know, Gibby butchers the English language.

Well, they have an issue with me saying Illinois and cousins and. Right, but people that know the show, they expect that. If you said it a different way, be like, what the hell is, like, a Gibby imposter? Yeah. Did Ferg bring somebody else in to, like, talk like Gibby? They wouldn't like that. No, they wouldn't like that at all. But those kind of emails and things I get on social media, they always crack me up because, number

one, it's awesome that people are finding the show. Yeah, love it. But they don't know the history yet because they haven't gotten through all the episodes. Give me a little chance. I'll grow on you. You have to see how it evolved over time. I am who I am. You know.

And that's all that you am? That's all I am. All right, everybody. Let's wrap it up, Gibbs. So that's it for the Q&A session. You got anything else? Man, we just love you all. Yeah, we do.

We appreciate it. Just wanted to throw a little bit of something out there. I know it's been a long time in the making, but we wanted to answer questions and have like a little additional episode. So I'm going to go with the, I'm going to play us out Gives with the unsolved thing. That's cool. I started with the true crime all the time because this is going to go out on both podcasts. I wonder if some people could put some lyrics to our, like some true crime all the time. lyrics.

Underneath it or like over top of it? Yeah. I don't know. What's the difference underneath or over top? I don't know. What you're trying to? I'm not a sound engineer. Yeah.

Well, clearly. I've made no bones about the fact that neither one of us is Mr. Technology, either when it comes to social media or any of that. Yeah, I still trying to figure out. I mean, the best thing ever happened to me was get those free GIFs or whatever they are. GIFs, GIFs, G, what are they called? I thought.

You're not you were talking about a gift. Like somebody gave you a gift. No, gifts. Okay. Pictures like a... I don't know. GIFs. The ones that are animated?

Yeah. Okay. I love those things. As opposed to ones that you would pay for? You said free. Well, they're free, aren't they? I mean, I never had a pay for them. I never paid for one.

People just send them. I just, I respond with them all the time. I love them, man. I'm just trying to figure out if there's some that are paid that you have to pay for. I don't know. Because you... Maybe there are. Intentionally called them free.

Yeah. They're free in America. We don't know about outside of the years. They might cost extra. All right, Gizel, I appreciate you coming in studio. Yeah. Extra. Extra.

To do this Q&A session. And again, we appreciate everybody listening. We will have a regular episode coming out this Sunday. We will? I got to come back. You got to come back. That wasn't part of the deal. All right.

I'll do it. All right, everybody. We'll talk to you Sunday. Stay safe and keep your own time ticking. Yeah, so you're probably hanging out after the music. to see if there's any more bloopers just testing you here. So you don't have any bloopers that you just want to do on the spot? How do you do a blooper on the spot, man? If anybody could do it, dude, you could do it. Uh, there's no, I go. No. Let's talk about Caligula. No, Caligia.

Don't even try. Why you try to get me started on that again? I'm lucky to get it out the first time. You didn't get it out the first time or the second time. Tonight I did. Yeah, tonight. Kill it. Yeah. No, you really didn't. Say it. What was a guy Italian or something? I don't know. I told you I never seen the movie. Yeah, but you're like a history buff guy.

Say it again. Caliglia. I still don't think that's it. Well, it doesn't matter. It's 13 caliber is what it is. Yeah, how'd you even come up with 13 caliber? I don't know, dude. I think I transposed.

I couldn't even, it's not even transposing numbers because there's no. You make fun of me doing numbers. Well, and it's crazy because I'm a gun guy. You would think you would know. I know. I know. That's the one thing that I actually know. You should know your caliber is like I know money conversion.

Yeah. I can't believe people probably, you think anybody's actually listening at this point? I don't know. They're probably like, so where's the bloopers? I just haven't turned it off. Are you going to keep bloopers? Are we going to hear bloopers? Where's the bloopers? Where's the bloopers? All right, I'm going to hit the button. You're going to hit it? Shut it off. I'm going to shut it down. All right.