True Crime All The Time - Ryan Jenkins

Episode Date: October 12, 2020

Ryan Jenkins was a good looking guy with a good education, who grew up in a wealthy Canadian household. His life changed when he accepted an invitation to be on a VH1 reality television show called Megan Wants a Millionaire. Megan Hauserman, a veteran of VH1 reality shows, was to choose between 17 millionaires. But, the world would never see all of the episodes aired because Ryan Jenkins was accused of killing his wife, Jasmine Fiore.Join Mike and Gibby as they discuss Ryan Jenkins and the connections between, reality television, jealousy, ego, and murder. Police quickly centered their investigation into the murder of Jasmine Fiore on Ryan Jenkins. Feeling the heat, Ryan fled to Canada, launching an international manhunt.You can support the show at patreon.com/truecrimeallthetimeVisit the show's website at truecrimeallthetime.com for contact, merchandise, and donation informationAn Emash Digital productionSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Hello everyone and welcome to episode 204 of the True Crime All the Time podcast. I'm Mike Ferguson. And with me as always is my partner in true crime, Mike Gibson. Gippey, how are you? Hey man, I'm doing good. How about you? I'm doing great. You and I just had a lot of fun putting out our weekly Patreon kind of mini episode. Yeah. You took the lead on reading out all the names and I played the part of you. You did. And it was a lot of fun. It went really well, didn't it? I almost spit up on my, computer. You actually did and that would have been bad. That would have been bad because it's kind of the lifeblood of the operation here. It really is. So let's give our shoutouts. All right. And I'm going to have you pronounce the first one. Okay. Well, that would be Alison Zenthofer. Okay. She wanted

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Unsolved Murder of Alan Ray Jenkins. We do. In small town, North Carolina. Yeah. And this is one of those cases where there's a lot of twists and turns. I think fans of T-Cat that don't normally like Unsolved will appreciate this episode. So jump on over there and listen to it. Yeah, without, I just really don't want to give anything away because this story is fascinating. Got a lot of things that will make you shake your head. All right, buddy. Are you ready to get into this episode of True Crime all the time? I'm all ready. We have a story about Ryan Jenkins. But it's also a story about reality TV.

You and I talked in a recent episode. I think it was about MTV and their switch from music videos to reality television. Right. And it kind of made me think of this case. Yeah, I used to really enjoy MTV back in the day when it was just like music videos. That was, for me, that was a lot of fun to watch that, you know. Just have those play over and, you know, you see the videos and, you know, musicians and things like that.

But now it's just like... You don't get that. You don't get that. Well, the case today is not MTV. It's more about shows that were on VH1 because they went the same way. Well, sure they did. Yeah. I mean, if you remember like the 2000s, really all of the 2000s, that was like the reality

show boom. And, you know, people who just couldn't get enough of reality TV. And there was no shortage of people. willing to try out, right? To be a contestant on all of these different kind of some of them very strange reality shows. I think what really strikes me is how many people think about what it's like for the contestants on some of these shows?

You know, if you think about the people that were on the first survivor, they got pretty famous there. Yeah, they did. Kind of instantly. Yeah. You know, but what about all the others? there has to be some that are very traumatic experiences. You know, you're on the screen.

People are recognizing you. At some point, you don't win whatever show it is. Right. You're kicked off or you're voted off or whatever happens. And maybe it doesn't make you look that great. Well, sure, especially how the editing goes, right? Of those shows.

But I can think of some people on Big Brother. Yes. And Survivor. that just didn't turn out well like you you were starting to mention there yeah well i think for some people you're at your highest point and then the show comes out yeah you're kind of at your lowest point when you're viewed as a failure or you're humiliated and i think there are a lot of people that probably don't have the necessary coping skills to deal with you know some of those experiences and to me that's kind of a big part of this story right getting that reality showing

fame, getting close to making your dreams come true, and then the breakdown that can occur when you fall short. And it's not just you falling short. We all fall short. Everybody is seeing you because it's on tape, right? So this story starts with a woman named Megan Hauserman. Megan was born in Chicago, Illinois in 1981. She graduated from the University of Illinois at Chicago with a degree in accounting in 2005. Megan was 5 foot 10. She was blonde and she began modeling for Playboy the year after she graduated from college. Okay.

She was quickly voted the Playboy Cybergirl of the week. In 2007, Megan began appearing on a number of reality television shows in quick succession. I mean, she was on one after the year. other, basically, she was on and won a contest type reality show called Beauty and the Geek in 2007. I think I remember that show. Yeah. And I believe, if I'm not mistaken, these were all VH1 reality shows.

She walked away with $125,000 for that win. In 2008 alone, she was on three different reality shows. Rock of Love with Brett Michaels. Remember that one. Which most people will remember. And I did see Brett Michaels, not that long ago at Best Buy, if you remember. I remember that, yeah. She was on one called I Love, I love money.

And then Rock of Love Charm School. I kind of remember that one, too. Which was an offshoot. Yeah. With, had Sharon Osborne on it. I don't really remember the whole thing. But she didn't win any of those, but she was having a good time. She was soaking up the spotlight.

She enjoyed that, right? She was getting a lot of attention. It was free publicity. Sure, sure. Now, she did get into a fight with Sharon Osborne on Charm School. Well, that's ever good to get in a fight with Sharon Osborne. No. Now, it's not good from a standpoint that Sharon Osborne would probably kick your ass.

Yeah. I wouldn't mess with her. I wouldn't either, friend. But I do think Megan sued her and got a settlement at some point. Yeah. She's got all that Ozzy money. Well, she's got her own money, too. Well, she's on one of those.

talk shows or something. She's got her own success as well. Plus she has that really good British accent. British. In 2009, Megan's place in the spotlight was set to get much bigger when VH1 offered her her own reality dating contest show. It was called Megan once a millionaire. And the premise of the show was to bring in 17 millionaires to vie for the affection of Megan houseerman. Boy, that's a lot of egos at one room. It's a lot of money, too. A lot of money, too. She stated in interviews that the idea for the show was born out of a comment she made

on Rock of Love Charm School where she said that she wanted to be a trophy watch. She also said that once she found her millionaire, all she wanted to do was play tennis, drink wine, sit in hot tubs and travel. I know I've heard you say all of those same exact thing. Exactly. It's all I want out of life right there. So they started casting for this show, right? And they were focusing on single men with a net worth over one million dollars. And when you say someone's a millionaire, I think there can be some discrepancies in how you account for that between different people. Yeah, and how you determine what a true millionaire makes a big difference in my book. Yeah, I mean, if you're talking liquid cash versus real estate holdings, net worth, however.

calculate it. Megan once a millionaire began taping in February of 2009 with the first episode premiering on August 2nd, 2009. As taping began, you know, Megan started to get to know the contestants. It was pretty clear to other people that one stood out from the beginning, good looking, smooth talking guy by the name of Ryan Jenkins. Contestants on the show later said that they could tell right away that Megan had an initial attraction to Ryan. Each contestant was given a nickname on the show, and Jenkins earned the nickname Smooth operator. Smooth operator. Nice. You wanted to sing that, as Shadee would say. Yeah. Well, some Shadee. Or I used to say Sadee. Sadee or Sadi. It wouldn't shock me at all if that's how you. I like, hey, DJ, put some Sadi on. If you did pronounce it.

And they're like, there's no such thing as Sadie. I'm like, yes, smooth operator. So in Ryan's bio for the show, he claimed to be the kind of person that couldn't turn, quote, player girls into princesses. His bio also listed his net worth at $2.5 million. But again, that's why I kind of made the statement about net worth. His would definitely come into question with many people saying Ryan Jenkins didn't have that kind of money. that he told others he had.

Now, his father had money and friends said Ryan kind of just took on the persona of his dad. Oh, okay. Like a rich kid who doesn't really have the money. So he was walking in his dad's shadow? But is, you know, has that air about him as though he does. Living like he does. And living or portraying to. live. Right. Because there's a difference there too. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Especially in the days of

social media, you know, there are quite a few cases where you'll find people making themselves more interesting or appearing to be more wealthy than what they really are. Oh, no doubt about it. It's kind of easy to do through social media. Oh, yeah. You can definitely be something that you're not, right? Mm-hmm. And all aspects. Yeah, I just think about the case of Luca, of Magnata, which we haven't covered yet, but I know part of his thing was he would stand next to really expensive cars, have his picture taken, and then it would be like, oh, this is my car. This is my car. No, it's not.

You just stood next to it. He'd Photoshop himself maybe into a picture. I still go down to the Wright Brothers Mansion in Kettering, Oakwood area, and I take my picture there every now and then and just put it out. Send it out on your Christmas card is. Yeah. Just me out here checking my mail, because, you know, they won't let you up in the yard. So I buy the mailbox that's sealed.

Meanwhile, there's people running out with shotguns. Yeah. So let's talk about Ryan. Ryan Jenkins was a 32-year-old Canadian real estate developer who, as I mentioned, came from a wealthy family. He grew up in Calgary and had the privilege of an expensive private school education. His father, Dan Jenkins, was a well-known architect. And the two of them, father and son, worked together on several.

projects. Ryan Jenkins listed on his resume that he was the president of a development company in addition to working as a sales consultant for an investment firm that specialized in commercial real estate. Okay. So right off the bat, to me, this is dad made it. I'm going to follow in his footsteps and kind of soak it in. Sure. Now, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. There are a lot of people that follow in a mother or father's footsteps. Absolutely. And take over the family business or whatever it is. I'm not saying anything bad about that.

What I get the sense of from Ryan Jenkins was that he wanted the glitz and the glamour and the money. I'm not really sure how much he wanted to do the work. Yeah. Did he really put the work into it to get that? He just wanted the spoils. Right. Is the sense that.

I got. Ryan also had his pilot's license and he taught flying lessons in Calgary. But really, everything changed for Ryan Jenkins when he decided to fly to Mexico after accepting an invitation to be on that reality show. Megan wants a millionaire. Taping of the show wrapped in March of 2009. So when it was all done, Megan and the contestants went their separate ways. And as I'm sure they do on all these.

shows. They awaited the show's premiere, which was supposed to be in August. Yeah. Ryan Jenkins headed to Las Vegas, where he quickly met a woman named Jasmine Fiore. The pair had a whirlwind romance, and they got married in one of those Vegas wedding chapels. One of those roadside or... Yeah, literally like days after they met. Right. It happened very quickly.

What, think any marriage in Vegas happens? Well, some of those days. Some people go to Vegas to get married. They do. And some people get married while they're in Vegas. Those are two completely different things. Ryan and Jasmine had the same February 8th birthday. Something that Jasmine reportedly thought meant that they were destined to be together.

She had told people that. Yeah, well, I can see that. People would find that. Believe in things like that. Yeah. Yeah. But there have been many people who have questioned exactly what type of marriage this was. there have been allegations that the marriage was one of convenience and money people have said that

okay ryan jenkins needed to get married to be able to stay in the united states it's been said by some that jenkins promised jasmine fury a serious amount of money to marry him so he could get his citizenship and we know that happens there are green so quote unquote green card marriages they call sure. And I'm not 100% sure whether or not that is true, but that's an allegation that's been made by some. Jasmine Fury, born Jasmine Lepore, grew up in Bonnie Dune, California, small community near Santa Cruz. Her father left the family when Jasmine was only 11. She was described by friends and family as a beautiful person inside and out. But she was also described as a very driven person that, you know, this was a woman. who from an early age had a plan for everything that she did.

You know, some people need that. They need to know this is my, where I'm going to be at four years from now, five years from now, whatever, 10 years from now. Or just tomorrow. Or just tomorrow. This is what I have to do, get through the day. Yeah, there are people that plan out, you know, everything meticulously. And then there are people like me who basically fly by the seat of their pants.

I've always been like that. The biggest procrastinator ever. That is very true. Yeah. Jasmine's mother would later say that the whole family called her general Jasmine from like the age of three. She knew what she wanted and she basically had it all laid out as to how to get there. Because I mean, I think very early on, Jasmine realized that she wanted to be famous. Friends have said that she had an idea that her beauty could help her make her dreams come true.

So in 2003, Jasmine set out for San Diego. to embark on a modeling career. And, you know, reportedly Gibbs, she did everything she could to enhance her natural beauty, including getting breast implants. This is similar to your story. Mm-hmm. Except you got calf implants. Yes.

Yes. I did. Yeah. But I have done everything to enhance my natural beauty. Yes. But this is also around the time when she took the last name Fiore. By 2006, at the age of 25, she was. She moved to Las Vegas and very quickly found work at some of the biggest hotels in the strip.

Jasmine was doing some modeling. She was shooting commercials and was seen hanging on the arm of some famous people out in Vegas. There were also reports that she made money being painted at parties. I've never heard of this before. Body paint. Well, I've heard of body paint. I've never heard of hiring somebody to paint. Well, I know they went through that period of time where they would paint.

So they'd have girls nude. They would have painters come in and paint them with that type of paint that looked like they actually had clothes on, but they didn't have clothes on. Yeah, I got this to be more of a pay to paint. Pay to paint to touch type deal. Yeah. Jasmine was working in L.A. at this time as well as Las Vegas. So she was traveling back and forth between the two regularly. She dated a series of wealthy men.

Gives there really was no shortage of men that wanted to be around Jasmine Fiori. She was a model. Attractive. Attractive. She had a magnetic personality. Right. Men were drawn to her. That much is true.

That also included Ryan Jenkins. Yeah. But the extremely quick marriage between Ryan. and Jasmine that I talked about, it was troubled from the start. In the beginning, Jasmine told some friends that Ryan was everything that she had been looking for in a man. But I think that wore off very quickly because Ryan Jenkins had a past that Jasmine was not aware of. And that past was not discovered by the, the screening people, whoever did the conducted the screening process on the Megan wants a millionaire show,

they didn't get it either. In 1999, Jenkins went to a previous girlfriend's house and broke a picture on the wall when he saw another man with her inside the house. So this is a very jealous guy. Right. He was charged with breaking and entering, but he pleaded out to mischief causing property damage.

And he got a, you know, a little bit of community service, which he did. Then in January of 2007, Ryan Jenkins was convicted of assault against his girlfriend in Calgary. He was sentenced to 15 months probation and was also ordered to attend court-mandated counseling for both sex addiction and domestic violence.

So I think these incidents kind of give you a little window. Right. Into maybe what this guy had going on. Probably not the type of guy. that you want to be on your dating reality show, right, if you knew about it. Right. And you would think as part of a screening process,

that would be information that you could get your hands on. And for whatever reason, they didn't. They just didn't look in the criminal backgrounds. No, and it, you know, we probably won't talk about it much in the episode, but it does come up later on.

Yeah. I think they even got sued after, you know, we find out what happens with Ryan Jenkins. I think that's the problem. Sue, like when you go fast and furious into a relationship and you're married that quick, you don't have time to know each other. Well, not in a matter of days.

I mean, do you really know someone even after six months a year? Not really. There are things that you find out 20 years into a marriage. I can attest to that. I mean, I could say you don't even know me that well after 12 years. That's true. Now, I know a lot about you. It's because you're a stocker.

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But I think just, you know, judging from these couple of incidents, you get that sense, right? This is a very jealous person. It also tells you that this is a guy that was capable of physically assaulting women because he had done it. Yeah. This is somebody. that I would think most women, if not all, would choose not to be in a relationship. I mean, some people like that jealous stuff. They like to see somebody kind of jealous, but not like this kind. I get what you're saying. Some people like to see the jealousy because it proves that they're, you know, in love with

them. Right. Or, you know, it makes them think, oh, you know, he or she, whichever side you're looking at, they love me. and that's why they would get jealous. Right. But not this type of jealousy. No.

Because he's taking it out on his partner. Exactly. Nobody wants that. No. But I think within a month of the marriage, Jasmine began to see some of these things in Ryan surface. He was both physically and verbally abusive to Jasmine. It was rumored that the pair often fought over money because Jenkins, this self-proclaimed

to millionaire. Yeah. He never seemed to have any. So, you know, you could see why maybe your partner might get upset if they're foot in the bill for everything. And here you've portrayed yourself as this, uh, this millionaire. Yeah. I mean, here he is lying about who he really is.

On top of that, he's abusive. It's timely that we're talking about this with it being domestic violence awareness month. Yeah, it definitely is. Now, we shouldn't only be talking about it this. month. That's one thing I always kind of think about, right? We have a month for this and a month for that. I get it. We need that. Yeah. But at the same time, shouldn't we be hammering on it each and every day, every month? Absolutely. Not waiting until, you know, this month to talk about breast

cancer and this month to talk about domestic violence. But I get it. We, you know, we have to do it that way. But you're absolutely right. It is timely. And I don't think Jasmine can fighted in anyone, her friends or family, you know, in the beginning about this domestic violence. But the rage within Ryan Jenkins, it kept bubbling up. And it really surfaced in a public setting at a Las Vegas hotel pool. Ryan was extremely jealous of Jasmine's former boyfriends, many of whom she stayed in contact with. We already know this guy's jealous. Right.

That's going to, that's something that's probably going to make him jealous. Ellis. Sure. It's his history. And he became enraged when he saw Jasmine with a former boyfriend. Now, they were making out from the reporting that I saw. And he confronted her near the pool. The exchange got heated. And at one point, Ryan hit Jasmine and pushed her into the pool fully clothed. She filed a domestic violence complaint against Ryan after the incident. So this marriage was already on the rocks, right? It wasn't going well early on. Right. This surely didn't help it. I mean, it's, it's never going to help a marriage when one partner is, is physically abusive against the other. No. Can do nothing but damage. It's definitely not going to turn around and be a great

relationship after that. No. And then, I think to further deteriorate the marriage, Jasmine walked in on Ryan having sex with another woman. I think those are deal breakers for most women. It really is for most people. When you put the two together, right, physical abuse, now you're cheating. And that was it for Jasmine. She walked away. Ryan Jenkins eventually received a court date in December for the domestic violence charge. But that was a court date that he would never make. He did latch on to another reality show opportunity. Landing a spot on season four of the show I Love Money, taping began in June of 2009. This was also in Mexico. And it wrapped up in August. During the taping of the show, Ryan stayed in touch with Jasmine. And he was just continually

professing his love for her, trying to get her to come back to him. He sent her an email on July 27th, 2009 that read, If you can come back to me and stop all the craziness, we can have a wonderful life. Your forgiveness, trust, and loyalty is all I need right now. And when your love for me grows and our lives are heading in the right direction, I'll truly feel complete. I will never leave you. I only want you.

All right. Can we break that down just a little bit? I think we need to. He's trying to win her back. And in the process, he says, if you can just stop all the craziness. Yeah. I just, I didn't understand that. How is that trying to win somebody back by calling them crazy?

Yeah. Where are you apologizing for how you treated her? The cheating, the physical abuse. No. He's not. He's basically saying, hey, if you can stop all your shit, we can make this work. Yeah, life will be good again. because it's all you.

And we're going to see that again down the road. That's kind of his, that's kind of his thing. Ryan Jenkins walked away from this show as the winner of season for, anyone, $250,000. It's a pretty good little chunk of change. Yeah, not bad.

But the show was not set to air until January of 2010. So, you know, if you think about it, Ryan had spent a bunch of time, a large part of 2009 in Mexico, taping two different reality shows. This I Love Money and Megan wants a millionaire.

Now, he was writing pretty high after winning the $250,000. And I believe he was hoping to use that to help in his, you know, reconciliation efforts with Jasmine because they did reconcile when Jenkins returned to the U.S. after taping the show. And I think one thing that is interesting, As we go through the timeline of events, Ryan's visa was set to expire at the end of August. On August 2nd, Megan wants a millionaire premier. It was said that Ryan and Jasmine, who were back together, they enjoyed the notoriety

that the show brought. It kind of makes people famous a little bit to whatever degree of fame you get. But you're on a television show. People are recognizing you. The thing is, you have to wonder. what Ryan Jenkins was thinking during this time because unlike everybody sitting on their couch at home, he already knew how the show ended. Yeah.

It was going to come out for the whole world to see that he didn't win this contest. He wound up finishing the third on the show. And I think to a guy like Ryan, a lot of people have theorized that that was going to be a huge letdown, right? This is a guy with a big ego. It couldn't have been easy for him to deal with something like that. Because that famous saying, man, if you ain't first, you're last. That famous saying that you got from Talladega Nights. Shake and back, baby. Shake and bike. They were going down a bad path. But here's the thing. The world was never going to see this play out on television because Megan wants a millionaire was never going to be aired in its entirety.

So we talked about Jasmine Fiorit. She had always maintained contact with her exes. And during the time that she and Ryan were apart, she reportedly took a vacation with her ex-fiancee Robert Hasman. Even after Jasmine and Ryan reconciled, she reportedly visited her ex-husband on August 12th after he got released from jail. Photos later came out of the two of them kissing on the beach. So again,

This is all leading up to what is a person like Ryan Jenkins, who we've already set to stage is an extremely jealous person. Right. What is this going to lead to? Can't be good. No, it's not going to be good. But we have to kind of set all of these things up. The very next day, August 13th, Ryan and Jasmine were together in San Diego. They checked into the La Bairge Delmar Hotel around 3.30 in the afternoon.

Then they drove to another hotel, the San Diego Hilton, which was about 20 minutes away, to play in a poker tournament. Jenkins and Fiore were seen leaving the San Diego Hilton at 2.30 in the morning. This is the last time that anyone would see Jasmine Fiore a lot. Jenkins arrived alone to the Delmar Hotel at 4.30 in the morning. and then he checked out alone the next morning at 9.30 a.m. The body of Jasmine Fiore was found nude in a suitcase that had been thrown into a dumpster in Buena Park, California.

A few days later in the early morning hours of August 15th, she had been strangled. And there were signs Gibbs that she had put up a fight for her life. I believe her nose was broken. Yeah. Her nose was broken. And the problem that the police had was when they found the body. They couldn't make an identification. This was because all of Jasmine's teeth had been removed.

And all her fingers were cut off as well. Now, why would someone do that? Exactly for the reasons why the police can't identify who the body belongs to. Yeah, my thoughts exactly. I mean, why would you do those two things, remove teeth and fingers, unless you're trying to prevent police from identifying the body. And I think to me, this is an act that really shows how cold and calculating the killer was. And that killer, you know, allegedly it was Ryan Jenkins.

So not only did he allegedly murder the person that he said he loved, but he pulled out her teeth and cut off her fingers. That's a monster. It is a monster. And there has to be some type of preparation for that, right? I mean, you got to have some tools. Yeah. I mean, you're not just most likely pulling something out of your back pocket.

Right. That you just happen to have on you. You're bringing tools with you to make that happen. And I guess Gibbs, I have to use the word allegedly. I hate to do it, but I have to for reasons that will become clear later on. But here's what Ryan Jenkins didn't know. And it was that investigators would find another way to make a positive identification. They did it by obtaining the serial number from Jasmine's breast implants.

Yeah, people forget that those numbers are items like that. I mean, I know you know because you had your one testicle replaced and you have that serial number on that one. Thanks for letting that out of the bag. Oh, yeah. I thought we talked about it once before. we didn't. But in seriousness, you bring up a good point. A lot of things that are implanted medically contain a serial number. Yeah. And that serial number can be traced back. And it has been in, you know, a number of different cases, not just breast implants, but, you know, other things that are

used in medical procedures. But once they had that information, they were able to figure out that the breast implants belong to Jasmine Fiore. But there were some other things done to try to throw investigators off. Ryan Jenkins called friends asking if they knew where Jasmine was. He called family and said, oh, you know what? Jasmine's run off. She's left me again. Trying to set the stage.

I think even more cunning was that he used Jasmine's phone to send out texts, making it seem as though she was still alive. She was still communicating with people. But she wasn't. It was him trying to throw police off. The night that Jasmine's body was found, Ryan Jenkins reported her missing to police. He told police that he hadn't heard from her since they returned from their trip to San Diego the day before. His story was that she dropped him off at their apartment and went to run some errands. And she said, she was going to get her nails done. Probably to coincide with all his text messaging and things like that.

A few days later, Jasmine's white Mercedes was discovered, not far from the couple's apartment. The interior of the car was covered in blood. So obviously right away, investigators knew that something terrible happened inside that car. They found a letter from Ryan to Jasmine in the glove box of the car, which kind of pointed out. the fact that the two had an extremely rocky relationship. So police were investigating the death of Jasmine Fury. And they began to look at Ryan Jenkins as their prime suspect. It didn't take them long, Gibbs, to figure out that the story Jenkins had been telling just couldn't be true. They got the surveillance tape from both hotels that Ryan and Jasmine were at on the night of

August 13th and into the early morning hours of the 14th. They saw Ryan and Jasmine leave the Hilton at 2.30 in the morning. They saw Ryan return alone to his hotel at 4.30 in the morning. And then they saw him leave alone from the Del Mar at 930 on the 14th. What they didn't see was Jasmine either returning to the hotel or leaving the next morning. And there lies the problem. That's a big, that's a big problem. Yeah.

And then police found Jasmine's blood and hair on the patio of their hotel room. So they theorized that Jenkins went back out to the car and brought Jasmine's body into the hotel room through the first floor patio entrance, which if he had done that, he wouldn't have been caught by the surveillance cameras. Okay. Now, cameras did catch him leaving his room several times in the middle of the night. I think at one point he's running down the hallway. And at another point, he's got the, like, the phone in his hand. It must have been a cordless phone in the room. Police believe that Jenkins put Jasmine's body into the suitcase sometime

between 4.30 a.m. and 9.30 a.m. The one thing that they had a hard time figuring out was whether he killed Jasmine in the car on the ride between hotels or whether he killed Jasmine. killed her once he had her back in the hotel room at the Del Mar. But surveillance cameras did catch Ryan Jenkins carrying clothing out of the hotel to the car prior to leaving that morning. So, I mean, I think that kind of goes well with the police's theory. Yeah, he had to make room in the suitcase for Jasmine's body and he had to take his clothes

with him as well. Police were able to put Ryan Jenkins 90 miles away from San Diego in Korea. California after he left the hotel. They found brush underneath Jasmine's Mercedes and they believe that Ryan may have traveled off road to dump her clothing, her fingers, her teeth. I mean, it's gruesome to think about. But he's got to get rid of that stuff. And then he drove back to Los Angeles dumping the Mercedes and then he walked back to the apartment. But here's the thing, Gibbs, Ryan Jenkins knew that police were closing in. So he took off. He went on the run, igniting an international manhunt. He first drove to Lake Mead near Las Vegas, where he retrieved

his boat. And then he drove to northern Washington. Police later found his black BMW X-5 with a boat trailer attached in Blaine, Washington. When they got there, the engine of the BMW was still warm. They're right on his heels. Yeah. So they know they, they just missed him by a little bit. From there, they believe that Jenkins used the boat to get to Canada and then took off on foot. On August 19th, the man saw someone matching Jenkins' description, driving a boat into the marina in the border town of Point Harbor. They think he then made his way to hope British Columbia about an hour from the U.S. border. But I said, you know, it's an international man. Right. So now you had the Royal Canadian Police, right, joining in on the search for Ryan Jenkins.

Ryan Jenkins was charged with Jasmine Fury's murder on August 20th. And the U.S. Marshal Service offered a $25,000 reward for his capture. An arrest warrant was issued stating that Jenkins should be held in lieu of a $10 million bail. That's a lot of money. Yeah, you know, it really is. But if you think about what he was suspected of doing, right, murdering a woman, pulling out her teeth, right, removing her fingers. It's brutal. It is brutal.

And we know he was a flight risk. Yeah. I mean, obviously he jumped from the U.S. into Canada. The same day that he was officially charged with Jasmine's murder, Ryan Jenkins pulled into the parking lot of the Thunderbird Motel in Hope with a young blonde. woman. The woman paid cash for three nights. The Calgary Herald reported that the woman was believed to have been Ryan's half-sister who lived in Vancouver. But I don't know Gibbs if that's ever been

verified. I've seen it reported that it's thought it was his half-sister, but I don't know if that's 100% true. The man working the desk at the Thunderbird would later say that the one, the woman left about 20 minutes after checking in, and he never saw her again. He also told police that the man he saw around the motel over the next few days did not look like the pictures he had seen on television of Ryan Jenkins. I'm sure they splashed his PR picture up on the news. No, I'm sure they did. And, you know, to be honest, Ryan Jenkins was a good looking guy.

He took care of himself. He was in good shape. but by this time he had lost weight. He looked exhausted. Nothing like the buff, good looking guy that he had been on TV. Now, you know what'll do that to you? Probably killing someone. Yeah, murder.

And then going on the run, being worried about what you've done and what's going to happen when they catch up to you. Yeah. I imagine that makes it hard to sleep, hard to eat. They'll wear on you. I don't know from firsthand knowledge. You're speaking as though you do. Okay, got it. Noted. Noted. On August 23rd, when the occupants of Room 2 failed to check out, the manager and his nephew went to the room. What they found inside was Ryan Jenkins hanging by a belt from a clothes rack that was mounted to the wall. He had taken his own life. Some of the accounts that I read in various news, paper said that, you know, these people, the manager and his nephew, they described the smell.

I mean, the minute they opened that door. Right. They knew that something was horribly wrong because they said it smelled like death. Yeah. And you and I have talked about that before. It's not something that you're going to mistake for a freshly baked cherry pie. It's just, it's not. It has its own distinct smell.

Yeah. And we talked about it on the unsolved case this week as well. Detective searched Ryan's computer, which was in the hotel room. And they found a will that he had written three days before his suicide. Investigators looked at the will basically as a suicide note because it did provide some insight into what he was thinking as he sat in that motel room in British Columbia. in it, Ryan Jenkins put the blame on Jasmine Fiore for all his troubles. He saved in the letter that she was beautiful and that she caused him to be jealous by sleeping with former boyfriends.

But nowhere in the letter does Jenkins take any responsibility for the death of his wife. And I think the fact that he doesn't even acknowledge that she's gone. Right. Or that there's a loss there. right? He has a loss. To me, that tells you everything you need to know about Ryan Jenkins. Sure. And he also doesn't own up to the fact that he too cheated. Sure. And that he was abusive. No. I think we kind of hinted at it earlier. This is the type of guy he is, right? Putting the blame on other people, you know, blaming her for all of his troubles. Okay. Well, did she do some things? Did she

maybe sleep with former boyfriends while they were separated? Maybe. Yeah. But is that, you're now blaming that on the fact that you needed to kill her? Yeah, if you didn't like that, if you thought that's what she was doing and you didn't care for that, then move on, right? Yeah, they were already separated. Yeah. I don't know these people to have issues with somebody that they're trying to have a relationship with,

if you don't like what's going on, leave them alone. move on. To me, it's the fact that he says, she caused him to be jealous. Again, he just is blaming other people for things that he's done. Right. And I said it. That's kind of a thing that, that'll come back around and did. Friends and family of Ryan Jenkins in Canada said that this guy that they saw on television, the smooth operator, that wasn't the same intelligent man that they knew. His mother said, he's a good person. And the media just made him out to look so bad. He was the best son. And it was the media that had painted him as a monster. That's what she said. Now, did they paint him as a monster? Probably. Was he a monster? It sure seems like it.

Well, those things that he did to her definitely makes him a monster. When I used the word allegedly before. And now we know the reason why. Right. You know, Ryan Jenkins ended his life. He knew he was about to be caught. He wanted to avoid that. He wanted to avoid that. He wanted to avoid what was going to happen after that. You know, the evidence seems to all line up, but he never sat in that courtroom in front of a jury of his peers. So it's kind of a gray area. I mean, technically, was he ever convicted? I never found where he was. They never convicted him in absentia after death, as far as I could tell.

But in the court of public opinion. Well, and I think even more so in the court of police and investigators and the evidence they had, it all seems to me as though it pointed to the fact that he did this. But it's a strange situation whenever somebody dies before they're able to get a conviction. Right. in a court of law. After Jasmine's death, her mother said that she planned to set up a foundation in her daughter's name.

And then after the murder and Ryan's death and all of this stuff came out, VH1 decided to put the show, Megan wants a millionaire on hiatus. They had aired three episodes of the show. Yeah. And then ultimately they decided that, you know what? They just had to pull it all together. How could they not? Well, you can't have a murderer on TV.

Yeah, or a suspected murderer, however you want to say. Yeah. So there would be no audience for the rest of the performance delivered by Ryan Jenkins. The season of I Love Money that Ryan appeared on and won was never aired. And, you know, to me, gives the irony in this whole thing is that Ryan Jenkins wanted to be famous. And the shows that would have helped him achieve that fame, they were never aired because of what he did. Instead, he became infamous for taking the life of Jasmine Fiore. Yeah.

So, so strange. Not the avenue anybody thought he would take, but he did. No, and I can, I can tell you his family was shocked. I did read a lot about, you know, his father being interviewed in different. papers and and obviously his family didn't think he did it. But I think in one quote, his dad said, well, if he did do it, he's a monster. Right. He didn't think he did it. But if he did do it, if he did everything that the police had said he did, he's a monster. Well, you look at those tapes, the timeline. Yeah. And that's what I kind of said. The evidence all lines up. Yeah.

Would a jury have convicted him? I think most likely based on the evidence that. that we know of. I go back to the fact that, okay, Jasmine Fure was someone that Ryan Jenkins was supposed to love with all his heart. I mean, he professed his love to her, but he couldn't handle his jealousy. And nor could he ever throughout his adulthood, it appeared.

Right, he had showed it before, but some people are like that, right? They can't handle their emotions, jealousy being one of them. Right. and or ego. I mean, I think you can throw a lot of those different things in the mix.

Yeah. And that fact, the fact that he couldn't handle it and chose to do what he did, you know, it ended up robbing Jasmine's family and friends of this wonderful person that they loved. And that was real love to me. That wasn't the kind of love that Ryan Jenkins professed to have.

Because if you, If you had it, you couldn't do that to somebody. No. That's my opinion. Yeah, you would never hurt somebody like that. Now, could you do it accidentally? Sure, anybody could do something accidentally. Right.

Would you then pull their teeth and cut off their fingertips? No. No. No. You wouldn't want to do that to somebody you really loved. So I mentioned that they couldn't air all of these different things that they had shot, right, with Ryan Jenkins. I think the production company, I think they ended up.

up going bankrupt. Yeah. And got sued by VH1. I mean, there was a lot of money that was lost because you think about how much money goes into producing an entire season of a show, lost ad revenue. I don't know, but it was a lot of money. Yeah, it's a lot of money outlay there without ever airing and getting that ad revenue coming in.

So I know you found out some interesting things about Megan. Yeah, I couldn't find out much. But really the last I found on her was that she was living in Florida. She is engaged to a professional golfer or was. I think that was two, it was last year was the last article I found. Yeah. The two have a trial together.

Now she does have some television credits over the years, not a whole lot, some commercials, some, some different things. But to me it seemed as though she began concentrating more on family. Yeah. and raising her child.

So good for her. Yeah. So, you know, I hope she's doing well. She obviously didn't have anything to do with this murder. The only reason she's even a part of the story is because of the reality show and the fact that Ryan Jenkins was on it. Right. There are some people that have speculated that, you know, the way that he was going to come

off when that show aired all of its episodes. Yeah. or the way that maybe he thought he would come off he didn't like. Hmm. And that played a part. I don't know if it did, but there are people that have speculated that. I mean,

he came in third. It's not like he was the first one kicked off. Right. And I haven't actually seen the show, but, you know, there were some reports that maybe he wasn't real happy with the way that he was going to come off.

The way he was portrayed. Yeah. Well, editing can make you or break. Thank you. Yeah. I mean, as we know, my English is perfect, but somehow... I edited it to make it not so perfect.

Exactly. I thought it was an interesting story, you know, Gibbs, given the fact that you and I have been talking about reality television a little bit, especially MTV. This happened to be VH1, but it's a tragic story in that, you know, a woman lost her life. Right. And at the same time, this was a guy that, you know, he... he really had a lot of things going for him. Like we said, came from a wealthy family, had money, had a good education, could have done a lot of good things in life.

Yeah. But couldn't either control his emotions, let jealousy get the better of him. Yeah. Whatever it was, something caused him to snap and kill Jasmine Fiore and then try to cover it up and go on the run and all that. but tragic. Yeah, as most of our cases are. Yeah. There's always some tragedy involved.

Yeah, sadly. But that's it for the story of Ryan Jenkins. Are we still going to do the tryout for the True Crime Big Brother series? Yeah, I haven't figured out how to get it financed. Okay. But you know that'd be a good show. It would be a really good show. And the fact that you're talking about it means that somebody will steal it.

Yeah. Like my house makeover? House makeover. true crime combo that somebody right i'm not saying they stole it but somebody did it imagine how many people are on big brother 12 i think so i don't know i don't watch it something like that i'm assuming a nice number like 12 right imagine 12 people in a mansion yeah and similar to the show or the game clue yeah the movie clue but you know you've got to solve a murder the clues are laid out over a series of episodes, people would like that.

People would, yeah. And the story unfold, you get the backstory of the characters and... Had a little twist of the Big Brother stuff in there too, and backstabbing and... People was sleeping with other people with the lights off, but you can see it. I've heard about that. I don't know. All right, we've got some voicemails. You want to check those out?

Yeah, let's hear that. Yes, my name is Sharon Marino. I just found your show today on Wondery, and I just thought it was really weird. I don't even know if that's the right word, that the first episode I chose to listen to was 176, and that was about the Udons. And I live in Sublette County, Wyoming. Sublick County is where Fremont Lake resides, and I just thought it was really strange, that that was the first episode I happened to pick just randomly,

and I just thought I'd gone leave a message and say that. Oh, it's just really, really strange. But anyway, I really enjoy your show and look forward to new episodes as they come out. Keep up the good work. Well, glad you found the show, and I'm glad you liked it. I've always thought it's interesting, Gibbs, how people choose to listen. Some people automatically go back to number one. Yeah.

Some people just cherry pick kind of cases that they want to hear about or that may be near them or familiar to them. Right. But we don't care. No. However you pick them. Just listen. As long as you pick them. And listen to them again.

And you like it. And again. We definitely appreciate it. Hey there. Mike and Giddy. This is Becky, calling from Texas. Just wanted to tell you guys, enjoying the podcast. A co-worker of mine saw that I daily, like, all day long at work, listen to True Crime podcast.

And he suggested I try yours. So I did. It started at the beginning. And now I've gone to the latest ones. And I just kind of skip around. And I will say that y'all are doing, you got a lot better. And I enjoyed the first ones, but y'all are getting a lot better. And I think you have just the right amount of chit-chat and banter and information.

And so I really enjoy y'all's podcast. I do have to say I'm going to take up for my girl, Charlize the Roan on the Eileen Warno's podcast. Really? She did a pretty good job, really? Really, Mike? So I was so impressed with her performance in that. Mainly, I was so impressed that she was so willing to put herself out there. I mean, she's beautiful.

You know, she's beautiful. And here she is completely transforming herself for this role. And I thought she did an excellent job. So I just wanted to kind of, you know, support her, you know, girl power, go Charlize. So I thought she did a great job. But anyway, love you guys. Keep it up. Thanks.

Bye. I thought she was pretty good, Gibbs. Yeah. To me, pretty good is a superlative. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I don't really use. When you say she was pretty good.

Excellence and things like that. But yeah. Yeah, you know, she obviously transformed herself for that role. Sure. Now, they paid her a good deal of money to do that. So I'm not, I'm not ready to bestow any medals or anything like that. Her performance was, was really good. It was.

And I talked about all the awards she won, but I get where she's coming from. Pretty good is probably an understatement. Right. For the performance that she delivered. But for me, you know me. Yeah. When I say you did a pretty good job, I never hear that. You don't, but if you did, that would be like top notch.

I'd be like, man, did I just win the Nobel Peace Pride? Did I get the Oscar? Did I, what happened here? Because I'm not used to that. I'm actually a very big Charlese, their own fan. Well, obviously, by the posters behind you. There are no posters, but I really, I like her work. I love the Italian job.

Yeah? That's one of my favorite movies. Hi, my name is Renee. I'm from just wondering if maybe you guys could touch on a local series. His name was Nick Shealy, and he started to the state of Missouri, and he told several people along the way. It happened when I was probably in middle school going into high school, and I remember my mom making us sleep on the floor in the living room while he was still out because nobody knew where he was. And when she would have to work nights, I remember being the oldest. I would stay up most a night with a night or a screwdriver in my hand watching over my little brothers because the idea of having this local person that honestly everybody knew because

we lived in a small town just running around and killing people and completely randomly. So I just thought that would be a very interesting subject for you guys. Thank you. All right. Well, definitely have to check that out because I'm not familiar with that one. No, I've never heard of it either. But you know, you and I kind of touch on that from time to time. The stories that people tell us or, you know, they might write in an email with their

personal connection to a case or a killer. And then the fear, right, that rips through a town, especially a smaller town, where everybody kind of knows each other. That's kind of a theme that you and I touch on quite a bit as well. It's real. It is real. And I think she can attest to it. it because she experienced it.

Yeah. Hey, you know, I get messages all the time. How do you leave a voicemail? And I tell them they need to go out to the webpage and the numbers out there. Am I correct? Yes. Okay. Truecrime all the time.com.

If you go to the, I think it's the contact page, email, voicemail number, our address, everything's there. Perfect. All right, buddy. We got no mail bag. No mail? Nope. No mail.

So that is it for another. episode of TrueKime all the time. So from Mike and Gibby, stay safe and keep your own time ticking.