True Crime All The Time - Scott Peterson Part 1

Episode Date: January 2, 2017

Scott Peterson returned home from a fishing trip on Christmas Eve 2002 to find that his wife Laci was not at home. Laci Peterson was 8 months pregnant at the time that she went missing. Volunteers from all over would flock to assist in the search for Laci.   The story would quickly become headline news on every outlet. Scott would come under intense scrutiny as many of his secrets would be revealed in front of the whole world. Join Gibby and I for part 1 of this story as we discuss the circumstances around Laci's disappearance and the revelations that caused her husband Scott to become the prime suspect. Please visit our website http://truecrimeallthetime.com for all info related to the show. If you like the show rate/review us on ITunes. You can help the show financially for as little as $2 a month by clicking on the Patreon button on our website. Tell your friends who enjoy true crime! Episode Sponsors: Sockclub - Go to www.sockclub.com and use the discount code "TRUECRIME" at check out to receive 15% off your order. Sock club subscriptions make the perfect gift at any time of the year. SimpliSafe - SimpliSafe is an industry leader in the home security field. They are offering TCATT listeners $200 off their Defender package if use the url www.simplisafe.com/crime. SimpliSafe offers advanced protection features with a monitoring price that is up to 1/3 of others in the industry.   True Crime All The Time is an Emash Digital, LLC Production See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

one and welcome to the true crime all the time podcast. Gibby, can you believe that we're doing episode eight already? I can't believe it. It's amazing. Number eight. Number eight. So Christmas is behind us. How was your Christmas? It was good. Good hanging out with a family. Yeah. Family friends. Mine was too. I think we went way overboard on the kids. It's normal. My wife, uh, spoiled. Yeah. My wife can go overboard, but I mean, they deserve it. they're good kids. I know yours are too. So we got, uh, we got an interesting case today. But, you know, before we get to that, if you like to show, please rate and review us on iTunes.

Visit our website at true crime all the time.com. Check out our Patreon button. We've had some donations on Patreon and it's much appreciated. Help pay for, uh, the cost of producing the show. And you can help sponsor us. for as little as $2 a month. All right, it's time to give out some shoutouts. I want to mention Sabrina from California.

She's really been hitting Twitter hard. Natalie from Pennsylvania has really helped us out a lot on Facebook. And a special shoutout goes out to Lindsay from Twitter. She was actually the very first person to leave us a voicemail. And I definitely want to play that for you. Hi, Mike. This is Lynn. I said I would leave you your first voicemail.

So I am. I've listened to your first four episodes. I'm about to listen to the fifth after I hang up. And I just wanted to let you know that I am enjoying the podcast. It's great. I wish you guys the best of luck. I just like talking about true crime. But yeah, thank you for inviting me to listen to your podcast.

I've been enjoying it. So Gibby, I know Christmas is over, but we pick this case in part because it starts around Christmas time. It does. I know we talked about that a while back as when we were deciding which cases to do. You know, Christmas time is supposed to be a magical time a year, and it was for us this Christmas. But in this case, it was definitely a time of tragedy and homicide. He went saying, well, this morning, 9.30. My daughter's been missing since this morning. She's eight-month pregnant. She took her dog for a walk from the park. The dog came home with his police shock. And the dog came back without your daughter? Right. Okay, what is your address, sir?

Well, I'm like... Is that where she... No. It's over at Maloma Park is where she went for the walk. What's got like the phone number? What's your cell phone number, sir? I think you disconnected. It's 4.04. 404 . Okay, so what's the address where she lives and she's missing from? Her address is . Between Incina and N-A for Drive?

Yeah. Okay, is that a house in a... What is your name? My name is Ron. I'm our... Okay, what is your name? Grands-P-E-R-A-N-S-K-Y. R. A. Anderson is off way over the park. What's your stepdaughter name?

Got Peterson. No, no, no, your stepdaughter. Lacey, Peterson. Lacey. P-T-E-R-S-O-N, right? P-T-E-T-E-R-S-O-S. And she's Y-Block, Hispanic, Asian. She's Portuguese, she's 26. The house didn't come back? That, we don't know. We just got a call from our son-in-law. He left this morning at 9-30 to play golf. He put that home about a half hour ago. nowhere around. Okay, so she went to walk the dogway. Walked in that park, that's a low-level park. That's a low-level park.

That's a lot of the park over there, it's a call. Yeah. Yeah, it's one hundred states over there, you know, but it has, please. Okay. That's on and seen us. Yeah, do you have a black light? Absolutely. And she's eight months, pardoned, you said?

Pardon? She said she's eight months pregnant. Yes, ma'am. Can you get a point for me over there? Is that possible? Yes, that's what it is. So, one. I want to take one.

Try it. The dog came home on the leash without her. This 911 call made on December 24, 2002, would be the start of the search for Lacey Peterson. She was eight months pregnant at the time. Gibby, I remember this story well. So do I. Yeah. I really do.

I mean, this story would touch people all over the world. Ultimately, thousands of people would come as volunteers to help aid in the search for Lacey. It received just a massive amount of news coverage. But I wanted to touch a little bit on the 911 call. Ron Gansy, I think is his name, is Lacey's stepfather. You know, it's, you can always analyze these 911 calls and try to see what you think people are thinking at the time. I took from it that, you know, he wasn't overly worried or he wasn't, you know, at that point in time, he wasn't full out panicked. No, I think he just was concerned.

Yeah, concerned because they didn't know where she was, but not, you know, overly panicked, not thinking that something horrible. it happened to her just concerned that they nobody seemed to know where she was I think they probably thought it was related to her pregnancy because she was around eight months pregnant so they probably wondered if I would think they were thinking did she go to early labor did she have a miscarriage yeah that's good I mean that that's actually I mean that's what I think I would have I would have been thinking that you know did she go walking somewhere and then something happened really related to the pregnancy.

Right. At this point, let's back up just a little bit and talk about Lacey. Lacey Denise Roka was born in 75 in California. She was the second of two children. She had a brother named Brent. Lacey's parents divorced shortly after her first birthday. And Lacey's father would go on to remarry and have another daughter. Besides the divorce, it appears that Lacey's.

had a good childhood, you know, and she grew up kind of to be the typical high school student. That's, you know, what I got from the research. She was on the cheerleading squad. She had a fairly, besides the divorce, she had a, and actually that's pretty typical nowadays and back then. I think she was like the typical girl next door. Yeah, all American girl. American girl. Very, very pretty. Absolutely. Had every, I remember every picture that they, showed of her. She had the biggest smile. Yeah. Just a huge smile. It just seemed like either she was just really good at taking pictures or she was just a very, very happy person. I like to think it's the ladder. So Lacey goes on to attend college at Cal Poly and she graduates in in 1997 with a degree

in ornamental horticulture. I'm not really sure what that is. I'm not sure either. It's. It sounds to me like when you are... Those little Japanese plants? I was thinking you got those big bushes and you can make them look like... Oh, like Disney World. Yes. That's what I was thinking. Shape them in the characters.

Yeah. I'm not that smart. So I really don't want to speculate too much on what ornamental horticulture is. If anybody out there is into an ornamental horticulture, feel free to drop us a line, an email, Facebook message, Twitter, let us know. So now we need to talk about, you know, in the 911 call, it mentions her husband, Scott, Scott Peterson. So Scott was born in 1972, also in California.

And again, by all accounts, he had a very normal childhood, two parents who were hardworking, both of his parents owned their own businesses, his dad owned some type of of crate packing business and his mother owned a boutique in La Jolla, California. Which is a kind of a high-end area. I believe so. Yeah. You and I are not experts on California, but. No.

I've been there once, though. Have you? Yeah. All right. Yeah. Actually, he ate at Georgia's on the Cove. That's right. I forgot.

Yeah. Nice. You're a world traveler. World traveler. Or a California traveler at least. So they're doing good, right? I mean, they had to have at least been middle, middle, upper. You know, they seems like both Lacey and Scott had good childhoods.

I guess that's what I'm getting at. Right. We've talked in past episodes where we've talked a lot about who we know to be the ultimate killer's childhood. No animal abuse, no, you know, being picked on. Bedwetting, animal abuse, dropped on the head, bullied. I mean, both Lacey and Scott had good childhood. hoods. And if you didn't know this story, right, and you just saw pictures of him, good looking guy.

Hey, I'm securing my masculinity. I'll say he's a good looking guy. Yeah. Kind of got like a Ben Affleck type look to him or something. Good guy, fit. Lacey's, yeah, Faye worked out. I mean, good looking couple. Lacey's very pretty.

Yeah, they looked like the All-American couple if you look at pictures. And we'll have pictures on the Facebook page and Twitter and, you know, all of, Instagram, all of our outlets. Like we said, Scott, like Lacey, appeared to be the kind of an all-American type high school student. I think he was on the golf team and even helped them win a state championship. And Scott graduates, he goes on to also attend Cal Poly and graduates that same year as Lacey does in 1997.

Now, his degree is an agricultural business. Because he ends up being what a fertilizer. Yeah, he does go on to be a fertilizer salesman. And there's a lot of farms out that way when you come inland. So yeah. From my expert travels. Expert travels. So while they're in college, you know, Scott's working at a cafe as a waiter.

And this is where he and Lacey meet. Obviously they hit it off. You know, they start dating. They dated for about two years. I think they ultimately marry in August of 1997. So they meet a couple years before graduation. Sure. Date that whole time, get engaged, get married.

I think it was right before either she was graduating or both of them were graduating. I can't remember. So after getting married, they actually opened up a hamburger joint. Really? Called the shack. And they would eventually sell that. And I guess it became pretty profitable. And they sold that and made some money.

And they moved to Modesto, California. You ever been to Modesto? I have not. Oh, good. Because if you said you've been to Modesto, I might be calling BS. Yeah. I haven't been there yet. You can't be everywhere.

Probably won't. So they moved to Modesto to be closer to Lacey's family. You mentioned Scott's selling fertilizer. Right. And at this point, Lacey is. is a substitute teacher. Okay. So they're settling in.

They got a good life. They've made some money already at a pretty young age. And then in 2002, Lacey becomes pregnant. And so, you know, that's kind of setting us up. Kind of start in the American dream, right? Get the house, young couple. It would be natural to try maybe to have a kid. Right.

And then they do in 2002. And that brings us to back around to December 24th when the 911 call was made. And that was the when Lacey was reported missing. One thing I wanted to mention was they said on the, you know, her stepfather says on the call that she's eight months pregnant. So the baby was going to be due some time in February then? Yeah. Actually, they had a due date of February 10th. Okay.

Of 2003. And they had a name, too, right? They had planned on naming, they planned to name the baby boy, which it was a baby boy, Connor. Okay. So they had already named them. They had a due date set. She was getting pretty big in some of the pictures, some of the last pictures before her disappearance.

Sure. Eight months. I mean, she was. Yeah, that's when. She was getting close. So we're starting out with the 911 call. And at this point, you know, some of the things that we know is that besides Scott, the last two people known to have spoken to Lacey before she disappeared were, one, her half sister, Amy Rocha and her mother, Sharon Rocha. On the evening before, so December 23rd, Amy, her half sister, had cut Scott's hair.

Okay. And Lacey was with them. You know, they were all there. And then later that evening, still on the 23rd, Lacey spoke with her mom, Sharon, on the telephone. It was around 8.30. Okay.

So we're just kind of setting some facts of what was known to have happened before. And no distress? No, at this point, nothing. Just normal mom, daughter, getting ready for the holiday. Yeah, as far as we know, there was no fighting. There was no. Right. but she didn't call her mom to say,

he's a jerk, he's doing this. Yeah, Scott's being an asshole, nothing like that. So, you know, and it was mentioned on the call, but it was shortly sometime after 10 a.m.

the next morning, a neighbor finds a family dog, which is a golden retriever named McKenzie, just running around the neighborhood, wearing a collar and dragging a leash. So the neighbor returns the dog to the yard, you know, probably opens up the gate, puts the dog in, shuts the gate, thinking they either read the tag or already probably knew who the dog belonged to anyway. The other thing that was known was that, and that was kind of strange, was that Lacey's Land Rover, she had a 1996 Land Rover, was in the driveway.

and her purse, which contained her keys and her wallet, they were on the table inside the house. So I don't know about you, but if I come home and find that situation, I'm going to be pretty worried. Because for one, I know my wife hardly ever goes anywhere without some combination of purse, wallet, keys,

you know, all that. Right. And car, right? Even if she was walking the dog just around the neighborhood, she'd take something with her, right? Yeah, very rarely is my wife can leave this house without some combination of those things. Right.

So Scott returns home from fishing. So he'd been fishing all day on the 24th, Christmas Eve. Okay. So he returns home that evening, and that's when he finds that Lacey's not there. that's when he calls Lacey's mom and stepdad and that's again I'm not sure why he called them maybe he called 911 I'm thinking he called to find out if she was over there is she over there with you because she's not here yet her car the dog her keys her purse are all here so did you come

pick her up. I'm guessing that's what that's the logic he was using. So he calls them and I have in my notes roughly around 5-ish PM. So we're talking 5 p.m. on December 24th and he calls

Sharon Lacey's mom just like you said to say is Lacey there with them. Right. Sharon replies she's not there. Scott's statement to them is Lacey's Lacey's missing.

Is that strange? Maybe. Maybe a little bit, but I can still see that if you came home and seen your wife's car in the driveway and came in and saw her purse that you might reach out to her family with a quick call and just see. I understand that part. What I'm not sure I understand is making the statement Lacey's missing. Would you say that to your in-laws or would you say,

Well, she's not here. I need to call some friends or... Yeah, I need to call around and see if I can find her. That seems quick, right? To make the... Quick to jump to that. To jump to the she's missing statement. He has them make that call later to 911.

Yeah, I thought it was too. Why wouldn't he? If he's so worried and he knows she's missing, why not make the call? Right. So, I mean, just a few more facts. God's statement was that when he left that morning, Lacey was planning. to buy groceries and get their Christmas, some Christmas grocery shopping done. And he must have known or she told him that she was going to walk the dog at the dog park.

Now, this is all his statement. Right. Now, I saw another report that said, Scott said that he last saw Lacey Mopping. And he told Lacey's mom Sharon maybe a different story about Lacey, that Lacey was curling her hair. And this is all before he had left for his fishing trip, apparently. So the stories are kind of getting inconsistent. Right.

So maybe already he's got at least three different things. And we're going to see this later on that his stories start to unravel. Right. Lacey's parents call the police. That's what we heard on the 911. That occurred around 6 p.m. Search of the park, the dog park, because that's, where Scott had said she was going.

That occurred. You've got police. You've got family members, friends, neighbors, already quickly, searching on foot, policing their patrol cars. There was supposedly some kind of utility vehicles or all-terrain vehicles being used to go through the park. And even at one point,

I think this was pretty early on. And we talked about this in two episodes back in the case of Sandra Cantu. They used helicopters with searchlights and search dogs and horseback teams. Right. This was kind of similar to that start of a search. And they even, you know, they had tracking dogs that actually, you know, and they said that the dogs picked up her scent around the house, which makes sense.

I mean, course or cent would be around the house. Sure. to the point that they couldn't find her sent away from the house. So based off that, they were kind of convinced that she had to get in some form of vehicle, that she didn't walk away from the house, is what they said. And that's good information, right? Because normally a dog would, if she's walking McKenzie, their dog, then a police dog would, you would think,

would be able to track her from the house walking. Right, exactly. I don't, I'm not a. expert on police dogs, but I know they can... Yeah, they should... If she was actually on foot and walked, they should have been able to track her somewhat of a distance. Right.

And this is not just Modesto police. I mean, there's law enforcement agencies from a bunch of different counties. I got to say this right away. I think from the beginning, and maybe for some reasons that you've already mentioned, the police are suspecting foul play. Which they most...

do and these type, right? I mean, they, they, they, we know from past things, what they do is that within a, within a 24-hour period, they, they tend to come back to family members, right? Spouse first. Right. And kind of look into that and try to see, based on the story that the spouse tells, is there something in there that would lead them to believe there's more to it than what's being told? Yeah.

I think, in this case, case, it was very early on that there, a number of factors that the police were looking at, they were starting to think foul play pretty much from, you know, very early stage. Number one, Lacey's eight months pregnant. She's not going to just up and vanish, leaving all of her stuff behind on Christmas Eve. Right. Well, and he makes a lot of bizarre statement. It's a lot of bizarre.

It does a lot of weird things for someone that your wife is missing. You know, he does some, like the police detective on scene, when he goes to the house to interview him at the house, right? He pulls into the driveway. And Scott Peterson is more concerned about the police officer, detective, parking his car in the driveway next to his car to the point he's standing there between the two cars to make sure that the guy doesn't ding his car, he has some form of glove or something

that he's trying to put in between to keep the door from dinging and the police officer's just looking at him like... Yeah, we're searching for your wife. He gives a shit about your... Right. If your car gets dinged. It's just a strange thing to do.

Yeah, well, he's going to... We're going to see as we roll through this, right? He does a lot of strange things. things. He says a lot of strange things. He's really bizarre. I mean, kind of a strange fact, but go back, two weeks before

she's reported missing, he goes online and he orders, I think, like four fake diplomas and hangs him on his wall. Which, yeah. Which is weird. I mean, she spends like 300 bucks. Is that because I've got six? Well, yeah, but

and they all say criminal criminal justice. Ph.D. Masters. Now you're an expert. But yeah, so he's got four fake diplomas hanging on his wall. I just find that it's weird. This is a weird thing to do.

Well, he was a bizarre guy. Right. And we're going to unravel the enigma that is Scott Peterson. In the beginning, because we're still pretty close to the beginning here, Modesto police, they don't consider him a suspect at the outset. that. And one of the main reasons that they don't is because Lacey's family and friends, they are backing him 100%. Right. They have such a high opinion of him. He's a natural salesman. I think he's a, I don't want to use the word con artist, maybe manipulator or he knows what to say.

Well, and that probably made him a good salesman. Absolutely. It did. I mean, that's one thing I want to to point out that he is not considered a suspect in the very, very beginning and probably would have been sooner had it not been for the level of support that he, he was getting from Lacey's family and friends. And they were telling the police that, you know, oh, there's no way it could be Scott because, you know, he's such a great guy. And he would never hurt Lacey. Right. And, you know, things like that. So a reward is offered $25,000. would later be increased to 250 and ultimately end up at half a million dollars, I believe. Okay.

For any information, you know, leading to her return, there's tons of posters. Like I said, thousands of people would ultimately join this search for- It was a media event. It was. Yeah. So it didn't take long once it hit, once it hit the news for people to offer up their support. So posters, ribbons, flyers, people putting stuff all over the place. Very quickly on, they launched a website, Lacey peterson.com.

And that was launched by a husband of one of Lacey's friends, I think. Okay. Probably had some coding background or it was harder to launch a website. I'll say back then. 2002 probably wasn't. So again, early on, we've got all this friends family. volunteers. So they set up a command center. And it's at the Red Lion Hotel. And this is to record developments, kind of coordinate all the, the people that have come to, to help in the searches and

circulate information. You know, this is, I don't know, I have here that's about 1,500 volunteers. Yeah. Signed up. That's a lot. And there was some information online that this was because Lacey was white. Is why they had so many volunteers? Or it was because she was white and pregnant? Well, I think it was a combination of a lot of factors. Right.

But there were critics and people saying online that this was something called Missing White Woman Syndrome. Okay. And basically stating that an African-American woman, woman missing same circumstances would not have received the same outpouring of support. Interesting. Yeah, I thought it was interesting. Now, I have no idea whether that's real or if that's something that somebody made up.

They cited a few cases. I wasn't familiar with any of them, basically saying, you know, here's somebody in a very similar circumstance who happened to be African American. They disappeared. and they were largely being ignored, didn't get all this media coverage and didn't get the community support. Outpouring, yeah, outpouring of community support.

So I did think that was an interesting statement. The immediate family and friends and the Rokas helped organize the initial search. And they held a vigil pretty quickly for Lacey. This is in the first couple of days. anywhere from 900 to 1,500 people are involved in looking for her. That is a lot of people, I mean, if you think about it. Yeah. To come out that quickly.

You know, does it hit the news that night, the next day? I don't really know. But within a couple of days for that many people to come. It's quite a bit. But, you know, again, she is eight months pregnant. And I think, like you said, that played a large. I think that's the biggest factor. I think that is the biggest factor.

So we've got to talk about Scott. right Lacey's missing we got to talk about Scott a little bit in the beginning he's he's very reluctant to talk to the press I think in a lot of cases you would see the husband giving interviews right away right crying pleading for Lacey to come home now I will say we've seen in or at least I've seen a lot of those interviews where it turned out that the husband did it right and gave an Oscar worthy performance. So I don't, I don't think you can say definitively one way or the other how somebody should act.

Right. In a certain circumstance. Yeah, I agree. I mean, you just don't know how they're going to take the news and how they would handle it. So just because somebody is not crying profusely or because somebody is, it really is not the best indicator of, you know, somebody's guilt. Right. But I did think it was strange that he didn't want to talk to the police because I think

if your wife is missing, you want to get the press on your side. You want to get that story out there. Sure. 24-7. I would think. Right. You'd be wanting to talk to the police. I mean, it went so far that they, at one point at a family press conference, you know,

because the Rokas are talking. And I think Scott was there. Right. You know, he actually stormed out of the. this family press conference when a reporter asked him if the police at that point considered him a suspect. So instead of answering the question and going on, he just storms out of the press conference. Yeah.

And another one, I remember seeing him looking like he was, I guess the word agitated, that he had to be there. Almost like he had somewhere else to go. Yeah. Or a tea time to get to. And they were kind of talking about they haven't had any luck locating her yet. And he makes us a quick brief comment, something like we probably need to start looking at, we're not going to find her.

And it was just a strange thing. It's like thrown in the towel. Right. Early. Early. Yeah, this was early. We're not talking six years later and you say, well, I just don't know if we're ever going to find her. Yeah.

I mean, he's like, time to move on. Yeah. We're not going to find her. Let's wrap it up. Updating my match.com profile. Yeah. On my Facebook, it says relationship difficult. What is it?

Complicated. Complicated, yeah. Again, we talked about initially, you know, the Rokas are defending Scott, basically making excuses for him saying that he's just too distraught. He can't make any public statements and saying that in no way did they think that he could ever, you know, be involved in Lacey's disappearance. Right. but later on they're going to remember some of the things that Scott had done during this

point and I think you touched on a little bit using the word missing a lot you know Lacey's missing I don't know I think they they later realized some things that he had said or some of the ways that he was acting was was very strange very bizarre guy looking back they they started to feel that it was strange that he was using those words so soon. Not that he was using him. Just very early into the... Right. The first day. It wasn't even an investigation. It was just into the search for. Right. I mean, the first night he gets home, he makes the call and says Lacey's missing. So they would later think back

and really realize how strange some of his behavior was. But at the time, you know, they were, they were defending him. Scott began to to join. the efforts at the command center. He went there every day, was helping out, or I guess at least acting like he was helping out. Now we start to get into some of the problems because it's at this point that police informed the family that they've uncovered some pictures. And Gabi, I think you've got some color around this, but they've uncovered some pictures showing Scott with other women.

And I think this was at a time that Lacey and her family thought that he was on a business trip because I guess the pictures had dates on them. So they were able to go back and kind of piece it all together. But it was after this that the police you know,

kind of laid all this out to Lacey's family that they started to turn on Scott. Yeah, he's not this squeaking, clean. Yeah, right. I mean, they realize that he's had a former mistress, Janet, that happened early in their marriage. And she even talks to the police about, you know, having conversations with Scott, how, you know, he didn't really want to be married. He didn't really want to have kids. You know, there's, it was October, late, you know, October, a few months before this, you know, he means.

you know he meets a Sean Sibley at a I'm guessing a sales conference and he tells her that he's single and that he wants to hook up with her her friend which I think Mike's going to lead into here in a little bit

so he's definitely out there he's definitely playing the field as a married man and even the other bizarre stuff is that when they maybe Mike's going to go here a little later, but they find on his

laptop porn. So, you know, I don't know if he was unhappy being married, what the deal is, but he's got porn on his laptop, and it's just not your normal porn, right? It has some with beastiality.

You're scaring me there for me. Yeah. Right there, that's beastiality should scare you. Well, that does. You didn't said that before. Yeah, so, I mean, he's got, he's got the beastiality, he's got bondage, he's got some porn article called Raping the Teacher, bizarre stuff. Even a couple days after he reported Lacey missing, they find out that he's ordered two pornographic television channels cable service, which again, I mean, if your wife is missing, you haven't seen her, I don't think the first. thing I would be thinking is, hey, she's not here.

I need porn. Let me call and get some porn on. Right. So I can watch it at night why everybody else is out looking for my wife. No, your sole focus at that point, and again, everything you've mentioned, we know he's not husband of the year. He's a terrible husband. Right.

But at that point, your sole focus, if you're really interested in finding your wife, that's it. That's all you're thinking about. Everything you're doing is either spending time with... I wouldn't be able to eat or sleep. Her family, helping the search team, coordinating, talking to the police. You're not home batting for the Yankees watching... Yeah. Yeah, the two porn channels that you just called up in order.

Yeah, Debbie does the donkey, right? Yeah, it's just... I just don't understand it. I just... That's weird. That's crazy. So you touched on it, but we're going to dive right. in to a woman

named Amber Frye. The massage therapist. Mousseuse slash massage therapist. Yeah. And that is the woman, right, that you're talking about that. Yeah, that Sean sets it up. So sets Scott and Amber get set up. She's attractive, too. Yeah. Attractive fit,

blonde. California, what I picture is a California. Blonde hair. Yeah. Scott and Amber begin having an affair. And I think this is... Between November 18th and December 7th, Scott calls her about 14, 14 times. Between, okay, say those dates again? November 18th and December 7th, he places approximately 14 calls to Amber. Okay. Okay. So on November 19th, Scott speaks to Amber for the first time. So he's made all these calls.

She hasn't called him back. Finally, he gets a hold of her on the 19th. Oh, so that's, He's left the, like, messages. They haven't even talked. Yeah, so he's left messages. But between the 18th and 7th, she picks the phone up a couple days later, right? Or a day later, they have the first conversation, and they arranged to meet on the 20th. So on the 20th, Scott meets her for the first time at a party. And that night, you know, he spends the night with her.

So I don't know if that means any, you know, who's just hanging out. give me that date again that was on uh november 20th that's of 2002 we're just about a little over a month prior to lacy's disappearance right so on their second date he met her 22 month old daughter why they went hiking and then later that day he presented the little girl uh with a children's book So knowing that in previous conversations with Janet, his other mistress, he had no interest in kids. But so, but he's putting on clearly this show that he likes kids because he bought this 22 year old, 22, I mean 20, 20, 20 month old, a girl, a book trying to impress. So he's a manipulator.

Yeah. Yeah. So at this point, you know, he's trying to impress Amber. So around November 28th. Lacey and Scott have a Thanksgiving dinner at the home of Jackie and Lee Peterson, which are Scott's parents. Scott tells Amber he is spending the day. So we know Lacey and Scott's over at his parents' house having Thanksgiving. And Scott calls Amber and tells Amber, he's not telling him that he's with his wife, right? He's saying, look,

I'm spending the day on Alaska on a trip with his dad, his uncle, and his brother. So they're on some fishing trip. Well, let me stop you. Because at this point, Amber does not know that Scott's married. Right. He's not, he's telling her that he's single. Exactly. So I think that's a big distinction to make.

I mean, Amber's not. No, she doesn't think she's having an affair. Right. She doesn't think, yes, that's exactly what I wanted to say. That's why I keep you around, Gibby. I know. So you're quick on your feet. So let me.

Let me stop you right there. Okay. And you can pick it up because, so the key is Amber Fry is a big part. Absolutely. Of the case of, you know, the disappearance of Lacey Peterson. So we know Scott's starting this. Trist? Yeah.

I like that word. Let's use that. Trist. Maybe somebody will do a meme with the word Trist to caption somehow. I do like these memes too. Yeah, memes are pretty cool. So he's not telling Amber that he's married. He's playing it off.

But what happens is that the girlfriend of Amber's that first set them up that Sean Sibley, you know, she hears from somebody else that Scott's married. So she confronts Scott. And this is on December 6th. And she tells Scott, you know, you've got three days to tell Amber that you're married or I'm going to tell her. So Scott tells Amber that he was married, but he's lost his wife. And give me the date again. So that was on December 6th. Okay.

So we're still way before December 24th. Right. So now we know between December 9th and December 10th that Scott calls Amber nine nine more times. And then on December 11th, Scott and Amber attend a Christmas party together as a couple, which is kind of weird. you know, you've got your wife's home alone and... Eight months pregnant.

Eight months pregnant and you're at this, you know, early Christmas party. So between December 11th and the 18th, at that point, Scott calls Amber another 18 times. So they're having a lot of conversations. They talking, because I know in the beginning he was leaving a lot of messages, are they just talking that much? I think so. Yeah. Which people do. These are conversations.

Right. People do in the beginning of a new relationship. Right. She thinks he's single. So, you know, she probably thinks he's a good looking guy and thinks she's starting a new relationship. Right. Exactly. So take us, get us up to, and I don't want you to leave it too much out, but get us up to at least the point where Lacey disappears with the most pertinent facts about their relationship up to that point.

Well, I mean, at this point, I mean, she just thinks that he's not. married anymore, right? Because his wife's gone. Right. But they're hooking up? Yeah. They're calling each other a lot. Yeah. They're, they're an item. They're a couple. Right. He's making excuses to visit her, I assume. And if he's, if he can't be where they're uncertain, you know, he's, he's making up stories. He's working, traveling. Yeah, he's traveling somewhere when he's really at home with Lacey. Right. And he's going to do that for a period of time after the disappearance. So you got anything else before the disappearance?

No. You got anything after up until the time that it becomes known, that Amber becomes known? Because that's really when it starts to break loose. Right. Right. Because the police are starting to be suspicious of Scott because of the way he's acting.

He won't talk to the media. I don't think he's real. I don't think he's really coordinating with them or giving them a lot. So when does it go public? So January 17th is what I have. Right. So I know that, I mean, I have a few more before it goes public. Okay, yeah.

That's why I was wondering if you, because you, I know you did a lot of research on the Scott Amber thing. Right. And I don't want to, I know we're going to talk about the visual. So we know, we know on with Amber, we know on December 31st. that Scott's late, you know, he's late to Lacey's vigil. You know, I know we're jumping a little bit ahead, but we know that... Yeah, what date? Give me the date again. I'm sorry. December 31st. Okay.

So we know he's late to a vigil. So this is a week out? This is a week out. Yes. But we know he's on the phone with Amber, and he's telling Amber he's in Paris. You want to hear that? Yeah, let's hear that. Because I'm sure there's a lot of people saying, where's the clips?

Where's the sound bites? Right. Let's see you. Let's hear Scott. Now, granted, this is a little hard to hear because Scott's acting like he's in Paris. I don't know how he does this with his phone, but... Hello. Emma.

Hi. Amber. I can hear you there. Ever. Hey, happy New Year's. Happy New Year. I want to call you. Thank you.

Yeah. Ever. I wish you could hear me. I'm on the, I think you're there. I'm like near the Eiffel Tower, or near the Eiffel celebrations, unreal. The crowd is huge. The crowd's huge? Amber.

Yes, I'm here. Emmer, if you're there, I can't hear you right now, but I'll call you on your nears. Okay, I'll hear from you then. Amber, Miss you, I'll see soon. Okay. Baby? Yes. I found a quiet place.

That's very good, huh? That's really good. Oh my gosh. Like then all this crazy static and stuff, I'm like, ugh, so frustrated. I'm not trying to control of it. Orca. Amber? Yes.

Amber? Oh. Oh, that's not stop. Amber. I'm right. Amber is there? Yes. Amber.

I can hear you. Hey. Yes. Okay. Hey, I'm blocking. Okay. I'm like, stay still or something. I know.

I know. I don't make it work. How's your, how was your? How was your new year's? What's that? How was your new year? That's good. I just, I went too far now if I came out in an hour.

Quiet alley. Is that nice? Yeah, it is. I could do you. Very good. It's pretty awesome. Fireworks there, the Apple Power, which is the best people,

all playing in American rock songs. Uh-huh. That's pretty funny. Well, that's good. I'm glad you guys decided to go out. Oh, definitely. I can never. I never remember your friend's name. I know Jeff, but you always say all

Fromm Swans. There's a cluel. And then we have Pasquois, a friend of our thing. Uh huh. Oh, he said you? Yeah. Yeah. What was that? Should be? What should my resolution be? Oh, I don't know. That was my question.

And everything else. Oh, I didn't think of that. Uh-huh. I'll tell you something good. Yeah, you have to tell us. So where are you headed? Um, well, I don't, did you get my message? No.

You didn't get either? Yeah, I love you a message because I was like, well, I hope you at least get that. But I was going to, or the San Francisco thing didn't work out. So I'm probably most likely going to go later to Sean's. Are you there? Hello? Hello? Are you there?

So, I mean, this guy's a serious. bullshit artist. He's making her think that he's in Paris while he's at the Candlelight Vigil in Modesto, California. Right. She lives in California. Right. Amber. Yeah. He's not that far away. No. This is 2002. How's he make, I don't understand how he's making his cell phone. He's doing something to make his cell phone sound so bad. He couldn't, service couldn't have been that bad, could it? I don't know. He was a manipulator. So, oh, master. And it's funny, you know, I mean, just stuff. back for one minute, you know, we were talking about back on December 6th, you know, when her friend Sean Sibley finds out that she hears that Scott's married and he confronts her and tells her

he's got three days. And he tells Sean, not Amber, but he told Sean that he lost his wife and he'll tell Amber that he lost his wife. That's what he tells Sean back on December 6th. So on that phone call you just heard, you hear that whatever she had gone. on that was going to happen in San Francisco. Didn't work out. So she's going to get together with Sean tomorrow. She says, I'm getting together with Sean. I think she says tomorrow.

And then the call drops, which is strange. But what's interesting is on January 6th. So this is 30 days after Sean told him she needed to tell Amber. So Scott calls and talks to Amber for about 23 minutes and a Mets being married and then tells her that, you know, he lost his wife. Now she knows that he was married, but he's just a manipulator, man. One of the things is, you know, obviously, hopefully everybody's figuring out Amber Fry is a huge part of this case. And it really comes to a head on January 17th. She holds a press conference. And at this point, you know, Givie, as you said, she, she knows that he's married. And she knows that

his wife is not out of the picture. She's missing. So she holds a press conference to kind of get ahead of the game, I think, to announce that she'd been having an affair with Scott and was under the assumption that he wasn't married. And this kind of forces Scott's hand a little bit because this is when, you know, Scott agrees to do his first, you know, on-camera interview. Scott get the strength and the willpower to go golfing, to keep going, to go golfing

and to have drinks with coworkers, just some of the things that we've heard activities you've been doing. How do you get the strength to do those activities? Well, those are not activities that I've been pursuing. There's one activity I've been pursuing. and that's trying to bring Lacey home. Like I said, I knew exactly what to do up until a couple weeks ago, and that was opening up the Volunteer Center.

I'd get there 7 or 730 and open it up and help the volunteers and then go out and put the flyers up. I mean, that's what's creating these problems. And additionally, all the speculation and misinformation and misinformation out there, I see news reports that, say, for instance, that I saw Lacey walk into the park, and I did not. So there's entirely too much speculation. We need to talk about the facts.

And what we know is that I left here right around 9.30 that morning. Lacey was still in the home. The dog was returned to the yard by a neighbor with his leash on at 10.30. Those are the only things we really know. And hopefully that can lead us. And again, I mentioned those times. I can't talk any more specific times because they've asked me not to. Scott said police have said repeatedly over the past.

past weeks that they have not ruled you out as a suspect. Have they told you why they haven't ruled you out as a suspect? My indications are that you can't rule someone as a suspect until there's some resolution to the case. And since I was the one who saw my wife last, as is the case with many cases like this. And in many, you know, instances it's been shown later that the husband or the husband or the case, the boyfriend or whatever it is, you know, was not involved. We're suspects or well not, I mean, they don't even say suspect. We're not eliminated.

I saw an interview this morning or last night with Lori and a friend of ours, and I saw Lori's comments that she didn't know that I told Lacey and didn't understand that. And she also said, and I know Scott, and there's no way he had anything to do with this. So, you know, again, that shows what's important here is that I had absolutely nothing to do with Lacey disappearance, and we need to ask everyone out there to keep looking for her. We have, you know, like I've said, a critical time period here. We have to focus and we have to keep the effort up.

It's up to us as a family. They're wonderful people. They're hurting like all the rest of us are. And we're all making the effort to bring, like I said, our sister, or daughter, cousin, niece, and wife. Scott, do you have any idea what happened? What do you think happened to your wife? It's been over a month.

Yeah. As I said, we know the two things we know. I saw her here at 930, that the dog came home with 1030 with leash on. And any speculation beyond that, even though I, yes, I have theories, would, I think, hinder or focus an investigation or maybe with focus people's thoughts too narrowly. So we shouldn't talk about it in hopes that we can gather all the information that we can. And if people can call in with information they have to 2.09,000.

342-6-1-66 or 866 LaceyInfo, even if they talk to the police or Laceypeterson.com, then that would be the right thing to do. What do you say to the person or persons out there who snatched her up if she was snatched up? Just please just take her somewhere where she can get home to a safe. Just drop her off somewhere safe and go away. And there's, like I said, the resolution, the only possible resolution for us is getting her home safe. And, you know, will let anyone walk away if she's released and just don't harm her. What do you say to do you say to only cease-miss?

Yeah. Just we'll water back home. You know, she does how much she's loved, how much she's missed. Be strong and we're working to get you home. That's for the things. given up. No, God, definitely not. It's the one thing we have. Difficult does that get us? Your baby's due date. This is your first boyfriend. Every day. It's more and more different. Imagine how difficult it must be for her. She's, so please, volunteers, anything possible.

Thanks. And I like it. And I'll have to be at joining. So that was Scott's interview. They said it was, what, over a month. So let's say towards the end of July, January. say July. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks for keeping me on track. Yeah. Towards the end of January, and he had not done anything with the media before Amber came out.

So this interview was pretty long, so I had to cut it up some. At one point, he does talk about Amber, but only in the fact that he says he's glad that she came and did the press conference. Yeah. Which I thought was strange. It's straight. Because even the police, you know, later have a, you know, they. They find a recording done right after Amber comes out the first time.

And in this recording has Jackie Peterson, his mom, telling him after she hears Amber coming out. She's like, deny, deny, deny everything about this. So I just, I find that, I find that really, really strange. So then he does this interview, right? And they even talk about, you've seen it, he's massively crying. but it's if you or I were crying like that we would at some point wipe our tears it's like they wanted he wanted people to see just this over flooding of tears yeah I'm not an expert but it didn't look because he only did it at the very end right and the rest of the time he was very

calculated very measured in what he said and like I said I'm no expert in body language or anything like that. To me, it didn't look, didn't look like it was real. It looked like it was put on or manufactured to me. But so we got to get back to Amber Fry. So after after this, she approaches the police and agrees to start taping her conversations. And this leads to about 12, 13, 14 hours worth of A lot of tape. Audio tape eventually. And all this is going to come up at trial. And it's at this point that, you know, Lacey's family has, they've withdrawn their,

their support for him completely. Later, they would say they were not angered so much by the affair, but that Scott had told Amber that he'd lost his wife. wife and would be spending his first Christmas without her, which is something you mentioned. And that, that happened 14 days before the disappearance even happened. So I think to Lacey's family, they took that to mean that he had, he had been planning something long before the 24th of December or long before the actual, disappearance of Lacey.

So we've got a lot of tape of Amber, and I think to me it's very telling. In the Paris, what I call the Paris tape, and Gibby, I don't know what you think. She sounds very, at that point,

she still sounds like a person that is in a newly formed relationship. She's has nothing, you know, there's nothing that's tipped her off about anything potentially wrong. But I want to play this next tape that comes much later. Never, I can never ask you, really.

Isn't that a contradiction? Almost. Almost. What's lacking? No, the difference is I know that's the truth, and I hope that you could see the truth. Really? So in this whole mess of people in the search of Lacey.

You're doing everything you can. You're putting up flyers and that's it. You're putting up flyers? No, I'm coming door to door. Door to door. Walking on doors. What do you expect to find from the door? I don't know where else to go. We have, we have a volunteer center set up here. Really? And I go in, I open it up in the morning.

Uh-huh. Volunteers come in and we direct them out into every city. in South County we've done. Really? And so what were you doing, I mean, were you doing, you know, in your conversations with me during the day and at night? What was that? You're calling, having conversations for me when all this is happening?

Yeah. Really? Isn't that a little, isn't that a little twisted, Scott? It is. Well, at least you agree with me there. Yeah, but not. You have a missing pregnant wife and you're talking to your girlfriend. Hmm.

Did you think about that one? It sounds terrible. It sounds terrible. Again, actions speak louder than words. And so these people... When you know all the facts... And how am I going to obtain all the facts, Scott, for you? Yeah. Really? At what point?

After a revolution in it. When there's some resolution in the, in what? That you will find her. Now let me ask you your mindset on that and where you truly, honestly, tell me a heart, believe she's going to be found. When I get up in the morning and I'm heading to the volunteers come through and we direct them to go,

and when I'm out there and we're searching over, I'll pray it back when I... You're going to talk to me at night? Calling you. I sure you are. And also to gain the courage to tell you about this. Find out when. What happened when, um, the Sunday I had my Christmas and you were in Sacramento,

calling me before you were catching the player to meet your parents and me. What about that, Scott? Sounds awfully twisted head. There's a sound. So I absolutely love that clip, and here's why. compare the tone of Amber's voice to that of the first clip we played. Totally different. Oh, absolutely.

In this one, she's suspicious. I've heard that tone many times when I've done something wrong from my wife. That is not the tone that any man wants the conversation to turn to. I mean, she is just flat out, I don't even know what the word is. I mean, sarcastic. you could just tell she's not buying any of it but at this point she's going along with these phone calls and the recordings right because at this point she's working with the police right so we've got um you know we've got a lot more tape of amber i shouldn't say a lot we've got a couple

more sound bites of amber and um but you know all of this was played at trial i don't know I assume all 12, 13, 14 hours, however much it was. And I think it was a big part. I mean, we'll talk about that when we get there. But Amber Frye was a huge part of this case. I know I've said that like three times, but there's just no doubt about it. You could go a whole other podcast just on a her. Oh, right?

You can do a whole episode just on Amber. I mean, obviously this part. what happened, you know, even after the trial and everything. So, I mean, I've got two more clips that I want to play, and then we'll probably have to wrap it up. It looks like this is definitely going to be a two-parter. So at this point, we've got so much more information. We're just at the end of January, right? She's still missing.

Lacey's missing. Amber is taping her conversations with Scott. She's pretty suspicious at this point. I like it. So tell me Scott why is this all about you? It's not. No. How many people, you say so many people, but isn't this about Lacey and your baby?

And at this point, what, what, what, so let's see, today's the, so it's been how many days she's been listening? Um, 13 days. That's an unlucky number. 13 days, a pregnant woman missing, international news. national news. Nobody has seen it. People have? Where? That's what I'm saying. Yeah, who knows? You know, I'll be hearing from her soon. She sounded completely distraught and devastated and just, oh my God, Amber. I hope, I hope you're okay. I'm so worried about you. Say how to do this over the phone again. So if you really care about her and your baby.

Thank you very much about family. No, I didn't say about finding. So if you really care about her and your baby, then why didn't you just let me go? And she came up missing. I wanted to tell you. I didn't state anything about telling me. So why didn't you let me?

No, you needed to know. I needed to know. Obviously, I've said something incorrectly before, because these tapes are happening before, much earlier than I thought they were before she comes out and makes her press conference. I also said the press conference was on the 17th. It was actually on the 24th.

I got that wrong too. So she's working with the police before she ever even makes the public press conference. I think she's taping them because of... The fact that she found out that he was married, his wife's missing. I love the clips. I love, I mean, you can hear it in her voice.

Oh, she's taking charge of the conversation and kind of like she's being schooled. Yeah, yeah, she's not, and she's not hiding the fact that she thinks that he's full of shit. I mean, that's what I hear from the tape. She's not holding back. Every bit of her tone that I hear is, I don't believe you, you're a piece of junk. You're a married man expecting a baby, and here you are screwing me. Right. That's basically.

Everything that's coming through. So I want to play one more. And if I got my facts straight, which I've messed up a couple already. But this is the final call between Scott and Amber. 7.36 a.m. February 19th. You wake you up? Talk to you. Are you coherent? Sure. I'm really saying in light of current events, but I don't know right words to say it, but I'm just going to say it however it comes out.

But I think right now, for me, Scott, and really everything that has happened in the last 50-plus days for myself and the family. you and everything that's going in right now, I think it'd be best if you and I didn't talk anymore until there's resolution in this. Oh, yeah. Good. Okay, well, that wasn't so hard. So is there anything you want to say before I say goodbye? I said everything.

It will. Likewise. Goodbye for now. Goodbye for now. That's what it sounded like. A little weasel. What'd she say? February.

Sixth? I think so. So at that point, you know she's working with the police because she's dictating the date and stuff into the phone call. So I believe a couple of the ones we played before where she was suspicious, she might have been taping those on her own, but at some point, and there was so much audio that it would be 12 episodes of Scott Peterson just to give all the audio. So, but I think that gives you a timeline.

And it was after she started working with the police that she started, you know, taping them for them for the police. But, you know, I, to me, the audio is so telling. Just from the Paris to what I call the sarcastic tapes to the final, you can really get a sense of her mindset just by the way the words come out. So, Gabby, I think that's a good place for us to wrap up. episode one. We got, we still got so much more, but I think we'll be able to get it into one episode on the next one. Gibby, another episode in the bag, buddy. Another one down. All right. For me and you, stay safe and keep your own time ticking.