True Crime All The Time - Tiffany Boyer

Episode Date: October 13, 2025

Tiffany Boyer went missing in August 2015 after she accused a well-known Albuquerque local called “Machete Bob” of rape. He disappeared shortly before Tiffany did, and investigators were tasked with figuring out the link between the two missing persons cases. Join Mike and Gibby as they discuss the missing persons cases of Tiffany Boyer and "Machete Bob", whose real name was Robert McGuire. As the police investigation unfolded, a series of interesting people, persons of interest, and a macabre story emerged.You can help support the show at patreon.com/truecrimeallthetimeVisit the show's website at truecrimeallthetime.com for contact, merchandise, and donation informationAn Emash Digital productionSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Hello everyone and welcome to episode 455 of the True Crime All the Time podcast. I'm Mike Ferguson and with me as always is my partner in True Crime, Mike Gibson. Givby, how are you? Hey, I'm doing good. How about you? I'm doing great. That's awesome. We just had some of our favorite pizza. Yes, we did. And then recorded our weekly Patreon, which is always fun. Many so, yeah, always fun. And now we're on to recording T-Cat. Which is one of our favorite things to do in the world. It's like the highlight, right? It's like the culmination of all the work that goes before it. Yeah. This is the fun part. It absolutely is. Where we record. But before we get into it, let's go ahead and give our Patreon shoutouts. We had Cassie Lowe Hunter. Hey, Cassie. Missy McClellan.

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One of those things. A Facebook. Yeah, yeah. All right, buddy. Are you ready to get into this episode of True Crime all the time? I am. Tiffany Boyer went missing in August 2015 after she accused a well-known Albuquerque local called Machete Bob of rape. Machetey Bob.

It's kind of a ominous nickname. Do you really want to be known as Machete Bob around town? Well, it depends on what you're going for. If you're going for, hey, don't mess with me. I'm not the guy that, you know, you want to try. maybe you do like machete bob. Do you think he gets you to the front of the line, like at the restaurants and things?

Like, hey, I am machete bob. I don't know. It could. But then Gibbs, he disappeared shortly before Tiffany did. So investigators were tasked with figuring out the link between the two missing persons cases. So we have a real mystery right here, a couple of mysteries that we're going to unravel.

Tiffany Boyer was born on Christmas Day, 1985 to parents, Teresa and Blair Boyer. I always feel bad for the people born on like the day before Christmas, Christmas day, the day after because really about a week plus or minus, right? Because you're not going to get as much. Exactly. Your gifts are going to be like a combo gift. Like, hey, honey, here's your birthday slash Christmas present.

See, mine's at the end of June, which is very well spaced. Yeah, you don't have to worry about being short at any presence. No. At the age of five, one of Tiffany's brothers threw a rock at her, which fractured her skull. She needed brain surgery and experienced long-term health issues because of the accident. Tiffany had her first seizure at age 12. And, you know, that is so horrible. I'm sure her brother didn't mean for that to happen, right?

Kids, brothers and sisters, you have two brothers. there's a lot of rough play. We used to throw walnuts at each other and shoot BB guns at each other. Yeah. Yeah. So, but nobody expects for some life-altering, you know, accident to occur. Friends and family describe Tiffany as someone with a positive outlook on life. She was fearless and liked trying new things.

She was also a people-pleaser who wanted to help others. Now, I don't know if I would describe you as fearless. and really into trying a lot of new things. But I would call you a people pleaser. I am a people pleaser. Yeah. You don't like a lot of strife or confrontation in your life. You like things to be smooth.

I try to avoid it at all. You know, if I can, but if I can't, then I'll... Oh, it's not that you won't step up if it happens. Yeah. You just try to not let it happen. Like to be mellow. At age 22, Tiffany was a devoted single month. to two kids. Her father recalled how she naturally took on the role of being a mother. Tiffany's mother

took primary custody of the children when she started having more seizures. Tiffany understood that this was best for everyone's safety. And that would be very tough. You know, you're a single mom, two kids, you love them, but you're having these seizures, which could be very, very dangerous, not only to you, but to your kids as well. Oh, absolutely. Tiffany had more freedom. Without full-time custody, she started spending more time at Bikerbars in the Albuquerque area

and befriended then 34-year-old Shauna Cannon. Shana was a person known for doing whatever it took to get what she wanted. Some people called her ruthless. She seemed to like this reputation because it gave her more influence in social settings. I'm sure it did. Kind of like the machete bob thing. Yeah, probably. Shauna was close with then 21-year-old Stephanie's step.

Stephanie ran away from home at the age of 14 and moved in with a man and a biker gang who introduced her to the party scene. Stephanie also had a reputation. If she received work that one of her friends had been wronged in some way, she offered to take care of it by fighting. You know somebody like that? Like, that's their first thing. Like, what? what happened? I'm going to go take care of it right now. No, I don't think I do. I know you and I are not like that. Yeah. Now, if the fight comes to us, we're fine with that. Well, sure. Yeah. Well,

maybe I'm not as much the older I get, but certainly when I was younger, I didn't shy away from a fight. But no, I don't know that I know anyone who is like hears it and is out the door to defend somebody else or to take care of it. But I think what we're getting here, right, is kind of a picture of, you know, a rough and tumble crowd. Tiffany became part of this friend group.

It was clear to everyone that Shauna and Stephanie were the leaders. Tiffany considered Shauna a friend. She wanted to fit in with everyone and get them to like her. Well, isn't that normal for a lot of people? Yeah, especially if you're,

what people have said about her, right, a people pleaser. You want to get along. You want people to like you. You want to fit in. In May 2011, Tiffany started dating Jake Seale, who she met at a party. Around this time, there was tension among the friend group because Shana and Stephanie and others in the friend group were bothered by the fact that Tiffany enjoyed receiving attention.

Well, there's just people out there that do not like others getting the attention that It should be sent their way. Or they believed is reserved for them. Exactly. Now, I don't think there's any doubt, right? Shauna, Stephanie, more of the kind of the alphas. And I think that probably played a role in it as well. In the spring of 2015, Tiffany's friend Jimmy Gillentine got her a job as a living caregiver to a woman named Denise Cole, who was disabled.

Denise was an older member of the friend group, and they lovingly called her mom. Tiffany also thought of Denise as a motherly figure. Soon after moving in with Denise, Tiffany became the target of gossip among the group. A man named Robert McGuire, who went by the nickname Machete Bob, started spreading rumors that Tiffany was stealing from Denise. Those are the type of rumors you really don't want out there. No, not at all. especially if you already have some individuals who are starting to, I don't want to say not like you,

but there definitely seems as though there was some animosity building already. According to the Albuquerque Journal, Machete Bob got his nickname 20 years earlier. He was involved in a fight with several men. And as recounted by his mother, Geraldine McGuire, one of the men came at him with a machete. and he put up his hand to protect his head. The machete cut his whole hand open. You know, that had a hurt. I'm sure it hurt a lot.

Now, it would have hurt a lot more, I think, if the machete would have cracked his head, his skull open. I was thinking you get the name machete Bob by wielding a machete. That's what I was thinking. But, no, we find out that you get the nickname Machete Bob because you essentially took a machete to the the hand. Well, I'm glad K-bar Gibby is not because I took K-bar to myself. Because that would hurt as a-

Now, why would you take a K-bar to yourself? Not to myself, but someone took a K-bar to me versus me having my K-bar. That makes sense. Yeah. After that, McGuire's left hand looked like what was described as a cadaver hand with skin. That's going to be bizarre looking. And he had limited use of the hands. McGuire kicked Tiffany out for allegedly stealing from Denise and he took over as Denise's caregiver.

After that, Tiffany claimed that McGuire raped her. And this was a rumor that spread very quickly among the friend group. Yeah. So is it a rumor because it's true or is it a rumor because, well, you said I did this. So I'm going to get you back and I'm going to say something like this. Well, my thought is it comes down to who do you believe? Yeah. Do you believe both people that Tiffany's stealing from Denise and that, you know, Machete Bob also raped Tiffany? Or do you just believe one of the other and believe that the other person is lying because

this rumor was spread about them? But you've got to take it seriously. Well, yeah, that's a very serious allegation. But so is the stealing. I think because of who it was against. right, this elderly woman that the whole group considered like a mother figure. On August 20th, 2015, Detective Jerry Copman of the Bernalillo County Sheriff's Office, received a call from an informant about an alleged crime.

The informant told him machete Bob was missing. The Albuquerque Journal reported that Robert McGuire was last seen on August 15th at his home. His belongings were left behind. McGuire wasn't in regular contact with his family. His mother told the journal she hadn't seen him for eight months before he disappeared. And we talk about that a lot on both TCAT and TCAT Unsolved. You know, when you have an individual who doesn't have regular contact,

especially with their family. Yeah. And then all of a sudden they go missing. I think sometimes it's a little harder, you know, to try to pin down their timeline. and different things like that. I mean, eight months is a pretty long stretch of time not to be in communication with your family.

Yeah, obviously they weren't on great terms or something like that. Detective Copman didn't receive a call from a different individual who said machete Bob's body was in the trunk of a car in Los Lunas. Los Lunas officers went to the McDonald's parking lot where the car was reportedly parked, but they didn't find anything. Okay. some strange calls coming in. Yeah.

Right. Somebody calls in and says, Machete Bob is missing. Somebody else calls in and says, not only is he missing, but you can find his body in the trunk of this car in the McDonald's parking lot.

Now, I don't know how that goes over with your fillet of fish and medium fry and Coke, but thinking not well. After you find out that there was potentially a dead body in the trunk.

For some, it might be, be off-putting for others. It might not affect their appetite at all. I think if it was the McRib, you would still keep eating. Oh, I'm still eating the McRib. Yeah. No doubt. But I'm assuming most people have already had their meal. By the time they hear of this report, the police visited the home of Denise Cole, where McGuire had been living. Denise repeated the claim that McGuire's body was found in a trunk in Los Lunis. She also mentioned that McGuire got Tiffany Boyer out of her house because she was stealing.

Denise claimed Tiffany stole over $20,000 from her. Denise mentioned the rape allegation and expressed her belief that Tiffany convinced a man to retaliate against Bob. They're not looking good for Tiffany. No, I mean, I think when it comes to what we were talking about earlier, which is who do you believe? Well, I think it's pretty clear who Denise believed. right she believed machete bob hey tiffany was stealing and i also think tiffany had something to do with

you know this guy's disappearance the police tried to locate tiffany but they couldn't find her detective jerry copman then got a tip instructing him to talk to shana canner if he wanted to solve machete bob's disappearance shana told detective copman she believed something happened to mcguire and she and her friends could figure it out, she suspected that McGuire was killed because Tiffany said he raped her. She believed Tiffany had McGuire set up. She claimed she didn't know where Tiffany was, but assumed she was laying low to avoid the police.

At the end of August 2015, Tiffany's mother reported her missing. She told the police it was unusual for her daughter to go so long with no contact. the longest Tiffany had ever gone without seeing her kids was a week and it was now past that. So we got a few mysteries going on. And we have a lot of mysterious people kind of in the mix. On September 7th, the police were able to locate and speak to Tiffany's boyfriend, Jake Seale. One officer recalled that he seemed reluctant to talk, almost as if he was fighting an internal battle.

He wanted to help find Tiffany, but he also seemed worried. about his safety. Jake shared that on August 19th, he was at a friend's house when Tiffany showed up unexpectedly in someone else's car. He said he could tell something was wrong based on how she was acting. Jake decided to get in the car so he could attempt to calm the situation. According to a criminal complaint, during this interview, he wouldn't say who was driving or where exactly they were taken. They went to a house and he and Tiffany sat in the living room. The people present made comments and called Tiffany names. They were trying to get information from Tiffany about machete Bob.

They believed her rape allegation led to his disappearance in that he was murdered. Jake said he saw one woman physically assault Tiffany. Two people present put a plastic drop cloth on the floor and lined the windows with cardboard. All right, you want to talk about soiling your job. I mean, that's the moment that it would most likely happen. I mean, that's a scene out of Dexter. That is. We're putting up drop cloths. We're sealing up the windows so nobody can see in. Something bad, really bad is about to happen. Then they bound Jake's hands with zip ties and put him and Tiffany

who was bound and gagged in the closet. Eventually, someone took Tiffany from the closet. He remained inside and the door was nailed shut. According to the criminal complaint, Jake heard sounds that led him to believe. Miss Boyer was being thrown against the walls and being severely beaten. Jake said in a later interview for the show, Mean Girl Murders, it took me a little over a year to be able to close my eyes and not hear her screen. It's pretty rough. Yeah, very rough.

I mean, you're in the closet with, you know, some soiled BVDs and then you're hearing this happening to someone you really care about. Yeah. I can't imagine what that was like. When he was taken out of the closet, Tiffany, the plastic drop cloth and chair she had been sitting in. We're all gone. Jake was dropped off and threatened to keep quiet. At the time of his interview, he was too afraid to give up any names.

So the investigation stalled. And my thought is, Gibbs, he probably had a really good idea of, you know, who these people were and what they were capable. Even before this event happened that we're talking about. Yeah. He'd been around. Some of these people, I think, were as we described on the raucous side of things. And you better take them seriously. Yeah.

And I can understand why, you know, he was a little scared. Detective Jerry Copman decided to go back to Shawna Cannon. They began talking on the phone regularly. Shana gradually started to trust him. Throughout various conversations, she gave more details about what happened to Tiffany. In one of their conversations, Shauna admitted we had her taken. She explained that she was the one who drove Tiffany to the house on the night of August 19th. She said Jake wanted to come along.

She warned Jake, if you get in this car, don't interfere with anything. What do you do with that? That's kind of ominous? Yeah, I mean, if you're Jake, it's very ominous. I'm sure he had no idea what was about to happen, but he couldn't have thought it was going to be good by this point. According to Detective Copman, Shauna was portraying herself as just wanting to find machete bob.

And that was the best way to do it. Okay, I get that, but is she not? also implicating herself a great deal in whatever happened to Tiffany. I mean, she said we had her taken. Yeah, I mean, she puts herself right in the lineup. She went on to say that she took Tiffany and Jake to Rob Rose's house. Rob Rose was part of their friend group and hosted gatherings at his house. Shauna said in her phone call with Copman, I didn't want to go off on her yet because I didn't

have anybody else there with me because I knew I wanted her to take me to where Bob was and I can't drive and control her at the same time if she decided to get crazy. It's strange. What she's telling this detective. Clearly he's done his job, right? She is now trusting him. And she's talking a lot. Yeah. And I'm sure that wasn't easy to do to gain that type of trust. Shawna made some phone calls, including one to Stephanie Step, she also called William Paul Alexander, aka Uncle Paul. Paul Alexander was 56 years old at the time. He was known as a violent individual. Shauna was asked if Alexander ended up going to the house. Shana replied, not that I know of. He wasn't there when I was there. She admitted that she heard rumors.

Alexander had gone to the house, but she left after Stephanie Step arrived. So basically she's calling people for backup is what it sounds like. Right. Because she's worried things are going to get out of control. But why would they get out of control? Because she's basically admitting that they kind of kidnapped this girl. Copman said in his interview for the show, Mean Girl Murders, Shauna liked talking to me.

What I learned about her is she justifies everything. And she truly thought she was a good person. And she ended up telling me certain details that she just, should not have told me. I'm not going to solve this case if Shauna doesn't open her mouth and she opened it quite a bit. That's kind of the feeling that that I got. I mean, she is really saying some things that are not only detrimental to her and her freedom, but to some other people as well. But she's willing to say all this because one, she trusts him, but also she doesn't really feel like she did anything wrong, right? Yeah, I mean, I think what he's saying is essentially

in her mind, she felt as though the ends justified the means because she was trying to get to the bottom of what happened to Machete Bob. Yeah. And so, what, anything goes and it's okay? Whatever I do, as long as I'm doing it for that purpose. Yeah. On September 10th, police conducted a search of Rob Rose's house. He was arrested because he was a convicted felon and admitted to having a gun on him. investigators found a closet door with screw holes,

which corroborated Jake Seale's story. They also found blood droplets on the walls. Now, during his interview, Rob Rose claimed that his quote, unquote, weird roommate put the holes in the closet door. Police didn't believe anything he said in his interview. Oh, that was my weird roommate. He did that.

He did a lot of weird stuff. Well, it has to be explained somehow, right? Because, you know, Jake is. telling this story of what happened to him and Tiffany and this detail of not only being put in the closet, but then having the closet door screwed shut. And then they get to the house and there's, you know, screw holes in the door. Yeah, the story's lining up. You got to, you got to explain that. I was just my weird roommate. Detective Kahn received a tip regarding Stephanie's steps whereabouts. He found her and questioned her. Stephanie was already familiar with Cobman,

which meant she was more willing to talk. Copman told Stephanie, they were looking into Tiffany's disappearance. She said about Tiffany, she's a dumb lying girl. She always gets herself in trouble. You know what I mean? Not holding back, is she? No, but she doesn't stop there. Stephanie said, Shauna called her and told her Stephanie was going to be at Rob Rose's house and they wanted her there. So she went over. Stephanie admitted, here's the thing. In their eyes, I was there to slap her around. I'm just going to be honest. I've been known to beat up girls and I got into that kind of thing because I'm really tired of guys hitting the girls. And I walked up to her and I hit her. You know what I mean? And I hit her a few times, you know? Very open. Too open. Yeah. I mean,

obviously in this situation it's good because maybe they don't solve the crime without these people opening their mouths. But you just wonder why these two women girls are telling this detective, these very incriminating details. But she is showing how she is ruthless. But break down that statement. You know, I'm really tired of guys hitting girls. So I decided to do it. Yeah. I stepped up to be the one to do it. Stephanie described the assault and bragged, I beat that bitch's ass.

So she enjoyed it. Well, she was bragging about it. So yeah, I think that's a pretty safe assumption to make. But you know what you don't want to tell a detective who's investigating a missing person's case is I beat that bitch's ass. Yeah, it's not a good thing to say. she claimed none of the men hit Tiffany while she was at the house. Stephanie continued by saying, I mean, literally, after I beat her up, Tiffany was like sitting in the chair. And I told her to clean up her face because she was bleeding, obviously.

And you know, like everybody was fine. Everybody left. Like everybody left as far as I know. Like that's where it ended. You know, I had to leave. Stephanie believed Tiffany was still alive, adding, if she was killed, if she was killed, I wasn't there. Well, would you say if she was killed, I was there?

Because then that's going to make you accomplice. Yeah. So maybe that's why she admitting to beating her because she's going to say, I did do that part, but I wasn't there if and when she was killed. Copman let Stephanie go because he knew he would need her cooperation down the line. Police continued looking for Tiffany, but they were losing hope. that she was still a lot. Detective Copman went to re-interview

Shawna Cannon. In early October 2015, she admitted that she had talked to Stephanie, who confessed that she tried to strangle Tiffany to death, but didn't do it. Shauna brought up a hammer, but told the police they'd have to figure out who used it.

Okay. Either, I'm telling you what, this is like a scene out of that liar, liar movie with Jim Carrey. Yeah. They just either they can't lie. They're forced to tell the truth. I mean, this is not what you see from most individuals. I think when they're,

they're being interviewed. It's like, oh, wait, wait, wait. Do we tell you about the hammer? There was a hammer. But that's where we're going to draw the line. We're not going to tell you who had the hammer in their hand. And who used it. You're going to have to figure that part out.

Copman re-interviewed Stephanie the next day. He told her he had new information. and he wanted to know about the hammer. Stephanie said, well, the boys took care of all that. She acknowledged trying to strangle Tiffany, but she couldn't do it. And the men were angry. She said that at one point, Rob Rose asked Tiffany why she wouldn't just die. But it was William Alexander, who hit Tiffany with the hammer.

Tiffany died from one blow to the head. I mean, this detective copman is just getting like a treasure trove of information. Oh, I'm thinking he. he's smiling inside. Like, I can't believe all this information I'm receiving right now. That these people are giving, giving all this up. And it's like he gets something from someone and then is able to go back to another person, relay that information, draw out even more information, go to the next person. Afterwards, according to Stephanie, they rolled Tiffany up in a rug.

They put her in Rob Rose's car. From there, Paul and Rob drove off with the body. They came back several hours later and Rose told Stephanie that Tiffany's body was now coyote food. When Jake was let out of the closet, he feared for his life and agreed not to tell anyone. I'm sure he was so scared. There's no way he wanted to tell anybody anything. Well, I mean, would you not have said anything you thought you had to say to get out of that

house alive? Well, that's true too. Whatever you thought those people wanted to hear, that's what you're going to say. No doubt this was a significant development in the case. But without a body or manner of death confirmed, police couldn't arrest anyone yet. It was essential that investigators get Rob Rose on their side. They offered him immunity in exchange for leading them to Tiffany's body. And this is, you know, pretty interesting, something that we talk about quite a bit, right?

who gets immunity, who's going to turn on who, and the fact that it's often very hard for the authorities to press forward without the body. And obviously they must have felt that way because they were willing to offer someone immunity in exchange for the location of Tiffany's body. And with the deal like that, I think you have to accept it. Yeah. If you were involved, then you could potentially be. facing murder charges and someone says, hey, tell us where the body is and we'll give you immunity.

I don't think you could sign that fast enough. Exactly. According to the Albuquerque Journal in early October, a landowner in southern Torrance County, reported finding a garbage bag stuffed with bloodstained items, including clothing, a plastic sheet, latex gloves, a cell phone, and towels. On November 20th, 2015, police found Tiffany's remains. It's a mile and a half from where the trash bag was found. Her remains were so decomposed that a forensic anthropologist spent six months determining her cause of death.

Six months. It's a long time. I do want to go back to this back. We talk a lot about people, you know, stumbling upon something. Sometimes it's a dead body. Now we're talking about a garbage bag, right? You open it up. I think pretty quickly opening a garbage bag and finding that stuff, you know it goes along with something not right.

There's bloodstained items, plastic sheeting, a cell phone, towels that are probably bloody, probably making a phone call to the police very, very quickly. on May 26, 2016, a forensic anthropologist determined Tiffany died of blunt force injuries of the head and the manner of death was homicide. On June 1st of that year, the police arrested Shauna Cannon, Stephanie Step, William Paul Alexander, and 30-year-old Joshua Taramaska. They were charged with open murder, conspiracy, robbery, kidnapping, and other crimes. It was a big pickup day right there. Yeah. And to me, they had all of this information. But it wasn't until they had Tiffany's body and the manner of death was determined that they were willing to move forward with the arrests.

Tara Masco participated in the crimes that occurred at Rob Rose's house. According to a criminal complaint, Tiffany's boyfriend Jake Seale witnessed Stephanie and Tara Masco. placing a plastic drop cloth on the floor and covering the windows with cardboard. And my thought is, gives, okay, you may not have been the person who hit Tiffany with the hammer. Right.

They killed her. But if you're involved in, you know, keeping her there, if you're putting down drop cloths and covering the windows, you're involved. You're part of the crime. So they're really,

you know, getting somewhere, right? the disappearance and death of Tiffany Boyer, but officers were still investigating the disappearance of Robert McGuire. At the time of the arrest, Albuquerque police spokesman Tanner Tixir said, we have not found it.

We believe he's deceased, but we have no evidence. What happened to Machete Bob remained a mystery until September 2016 when the Albuquerque Journal obtained documents that revealed new details. Although an officer said he had not been found, Robert McGuire's body was found in Los Lunas on February 16, 2016. He was wearing only briefs and was buried in a shallow gray. The medical examiner couldn't immediately determine his cause of death. But based on witness statements, it appeared he was killed with a crossbow. Whoa.

I don't know how many cases we've done where someone has been killed with a crossbow. Pretty rare. I think so. I mean, I know people use crossbows for hunting. I know Daryl Dixon is deadly with a crossbow in The Walking Dead. Well, that's true. But I don't know how many people are killed with crossbows on a daily, weekly, monthly basis, on purpose at least. I mean, if you think about it, it's actually a pretty good weapon. And the reason for that is got a lot of power behind it. as opposed to what, a 357 or a 44 magnum? Yeah, I wouldn't want to take that battle. Maybe you have some advantages on not leaving ballistics behind or, you know, some things like that.

But it can be a little quieter. It's definitely going to be quieter. During the investigation, police learned that Tiffany Boyer was angry at McGuire. So she told another man he raped her. Later, a witness pointed to that man as a person. potential suspect in McGuire's death. The police noted that there was no proof. McGuire raped Tiffany, but the man told others he was angry about the rape allegations.

He told Tiffany he was sick of people in this town, treating women like that, and not to worry, he would take care of Robert. I'll take care of that, Robert. In August 2015, a witness told the police that she was in her trailer. When she heard McGuire scream as if he were being hurt, she saw a man in a woman. a woman in the living room and saw the man set a crossbow down next to the door. The man went into McGuire's bedroom and then came back into the living room carrying a bloody arrow.

When the witness asked the woman if McGuire was dead, she said, probably. Well, bloody arrow, probably not a good sign. No, I'm wondering like, okay, why is this woman able to see into the trailer? I mean, what do you got the door open? You leave all the windows wide open while you're shooting somebody with a crossbow? I don't think we're talking about mental criminals here in this case. And either of them. Yeah, they seem kind of dumb.

Yeah, and I don't know if it, you know, has to do with IQ or is it that just, you know, people are in such a rage that they're doing things without thinking about what's going on around them, who could potentially be watching. the witness saw the woman stuffing a blanket and bedding from McGuire's room into a plastic garbage bag. She saw them wipe down the front door of the trailer and leave, but she didn't see McGuire's body. And she said she never saw him again. But she did see quite a bit. I wonder if she was nervous.

Like, I hope they don't see me here. I hope that arrow doesn't come this way. Well, that's a great point, you know, because if you think about, witnessing a murder or what you believed to be a murder. The last thing in the world you would want is for these people to realize that you saw them. When arrests were made in Tiffany's case, the APD claim McGuire was still missing. A spokesman said this was because revealing the body had been found would have drastically affected this case.

The spokesman also said no one had been charged in McGuire's death because the witness's account was not enough probable cause. I don't know. Seems like quite a bit of probable cause to me. I think they got some pretty good information there. Based on what this person saw. Now, maybe they said this person was incredible or, you know, I don't know. Maybe the person couldn't ID the individuals.

There had to have been something to it. In June 2017, five inmates, including Joshua, Terramasco, were charged with conspiracy bringing contraband into jail and identity theft. Back in February, a mail clerk spotted a letter addressed to Joshua that didn't look right. It had his attorney's address on it, but when deputies opened it, they found forged legal documents and several articles on subjects such as how to deal with your crazy boss, divorce, and how people actually fought with swords.

Detectives thought this was odd and irrelevant. relevant to a criminal case hidden throughout the pages were 27 strips of Suboxone, a drug used to treat opiate addiction. Investigators learned that Taramasko worked with four friends to smuggle Suboxone into jail so he could sell it to other inmates. And you always wonder how people are getting so many drugs into these jails. Besides keistering it? Yeah, I know there's a lot of key string that goes on. But here we got some Hannibal Lecter tooth fairy type stuff here, right? There's stuff hidden in the letters. Yeah.

On August 1st, 2017, Stephanie Stapp pleaded guilty to second degree murder, conspiracy to commit first degree murder and kidnapping. Under the terms of her plea agreement, she would be sentenced to 24 years in prison and agree to give statements. She would not be sentenced until the other cases were resolved. result. So she's getting a plea agreement. I mean, it's not a great deal, but it's not a bad deal for somebody to tell the detective about everything. Well, I mean, second degree murder, conspiracy to commit first degree murder, kidnapping, those are going to be lengthy sentences. So maybe 24 years in

prison is a good deal. Further details about the machete bob case were revealed with the conviction and sentencing of a man named Adrian Apodaca. I mean, we have a lot of people, Gibbs involved in these cases. Apodaca was the main suspect in the Machete Bob case. He fled Albuquerque for Florida and joined a motorcycle gang that had been infiltrated by the FBI. Apodaca, self-proclaimed white supremacist, began talking about murders and robberies he committed, claiming that he potentially left a trail of dead onlookers from Phoenix to South Florida. But the FBI could only confirm that the murder of Robert McGuire had occurred.

Apodaca was a self-employed tattoo artist from Colorado, with a history of mental health issues dating back to age 13. He had a child he hadn't seen or supported since infancy. As of 2012, he was married to a woman with ties to white supremacist. gangs. So this guy, Apodaca, was a member of the Vinlanders, a neo-Nazi gang formed in 2003. With the history of violence throughout the U.S., Apodaca had a swastika tattoo. And you're really saying something about yourself if you're willing to ink a swastika on your body. Yeah, it's a statement, I guess. I like the glorious, I like the glorious bastard process.

better or the inglorious. Oh, yeah. Yeah, they, they would carve them in with the, with a knife,

right? On their foreheads. I, I get it. People are into all kinds of stuff. You know, this, this neo-Nazi thing,

I don't understand it, but I also, especially don't understand putting a swastika tattoo on yourself. Now, these are not the type of people who are

trying to, you know, interview for jobs. So I don't think they're too worried about all of that. Yeah, I don't think they really care what society thinks of them. Yeah, or what anybody thinks outside of their, their gang or their affiliation. When Apodaca first came onto the FBI's radar, he was living in Davy, Florida, behind the clubhouse of the dirty white boys motorcycle club, which supports notorious motorcycle gangs.

such as the outlaws, the dirty white boys motorcycle club. There's a song out there called Dirty White Boys. Is there? From the 70s. I was not aware of that. In November 2015, Apodaca met Stephen Watt, an FBI informant. Watt was a member of the motorcycle gang and had been a paid informant since 2009. He alerted the FBI whenever he became aware of illegal activities.

You want to talk about a dangerous. job, FBI informant in a very serious illegal motorcycle gang. That tells me you watched probably too much of the series. Sons of Anarchy? Yeah. Yeah. You know, that, anything to do with the mob, you know, if you're infiltrating any of these really dangerous organizations, Donnie Brasco comes to mind.

Oh, yeah. With Johnny Depp. That's dangerous work. You better hope they don't find out. what would later testify that Apodaca knew how Machete Bob was killed and where his body was several months before his remains were found. The informant said Apodaca killed McGuire with a crossbow and he and his girlfriend buried the body in the desert near Lost Lunas. Tiffany Boyer had told Adrian Apodaca that Maguire raped her. Apodaca was the one who told Tiffany not to worry he would take care of robber.

the informant would later testify that he cooperated with the FBI because as quoted by the Southern Poverty Law Center unprovoked violence undermines the cause of white supremacy. Oh, so he really was a white supremacist. He just didn't believe in the type of violence, I guess, that the motorcycle gang promoted. Promoted? So he was willing to work with the FBI. In 2016, the FBI began an investigation to determine whether Apodaca was engaging in criminal activities. During the investigation, agents obtained secretly recorded conversations where

Apodaca bragged that he and other Vinlanders killed multiple people while posing as police officers who ripped off drug houses in Arizona. In September 2016, informant Stephen Watt introduced Apodaca to a team of undercover agents posing as a gang of wealthy white supremacists selling cocaine. A few weeks later, Apodaca was invited to a party where he was introduced to an undercover agent posing as a higher ranking member of the organization. In October, Apodaca did some jobs for the group. He hid what he thought was nine kilos of cocaine in shoeboxes and conducted protection and surveillance missions during a meeting with a man named Tony, who was actually another undercover agent posing as a leader of a different criminal organization.

The undercover agents told Apodaca that Tony was driving an expensive car, but claimed he didn't have money to pay them back. Unsolicited Apodaca offered to steal Tony's car. The next week, he agreed to a murder for hire job. To make an example of Tony, Apodaca was. Aphidaka was told he was in Georgia. He asked for $5,000 cash and a driver's license, credit card, and social security number under a new name. He said he needed a new identity to avoid investigators who wanted to question him about machete bob. He also gave agents a handwritten list of what he needed to commit the murder. He laid out his plan to find out where Tony spent time, study his residence, and map out escape routes. I mean, this guy

although he doesn't know it because he doesn't realize these people are under cover, but he is really digging himself a big hole. Oh, he is. On October 28, 2016, Apodokin and an agent arrived at a hotel in Valdosta, Georgia, for what he thought was a meeting to obtain a gun for the murder. Instead, he was arrested. And I always wonder how that feeling is for these people.

Like, what point do you start to shift? yourself? Well, I think it's when they reveal who they really are. The handcuffs come out. The guns come out. Yeah. You might defecate on yourself at that point. But I just wonder what the feeling is, is though, you know, you're this big bad motorcycle gang member. Yeah. And you're, you're going through all these machinations about, okay, I'm going to kill this guy. I'm going to do this. We're laying out the whole plan. Then all of a sudden you realize that, these people that you've been talking to are the FBI. They're undercover FBI agents.

Do you feel like incredibly dumb at that point or just, oh, well, they got me. I think you have to feel somewhat stupid. Duped. I mean, I'm sure there's a number of words for it. On August 29th, 2017, Apodaca was convicted of using interstate facilities in the commission of a murder for hire, possession of a firearm during. a violent or drug trafficking crime, robbery, and being a felon in possession of ammunition. Apodaka's attorney argued the FBI created an elaborate sting operation.

And in order to make it a federal crime, they decided that the target was going to be up in Georgia. They got him a car and they spent seven hours driving him across the state of Florida. And they might have done all that. But the guy still agreed to kill a. another human being for money. I mean, you know, the police do sting operations all the time. I do.

It doesn't mean you have to get in the car and agree to kill somebody for money. It wasn't like it was a lot of money either. Five grand. Yeah. I don't know for him. Was it about the money or was it more about, you know, getting this new identity because they thought they, you know, authorities were going to come after him for the McGuire murder.

Yeah. that could have been more of it than just the money. Stephen Watt was the main witness against Apodaca and testified about his tales of violence, including his role in Machete Bob's murder. Apodaca testified that these were just stories of bravado calling them tall tales and legends. Well, what else are you going to say at that point?

But on January 19, 2018, Adrian Apodaca was sentenced to 40 years in federal prison for the murder for higher plot. and Albuquerque PD spokesman told the journal that the New Mexico case was submitted to the DA's office in 2017, but it had yet to go before a grand jury. So the murder of Robert McGuire, aka Machete Bob, is still officially unsolved. On January 18, 2018, William Paul Alexander was convicted of first-degree murder for the death of Tiffany Boyer. Stephanie Stap and Joshua Taramasco testified at his. trial, Taramasko and Shauna Cannon pleaded guilty to kidnapping and were awaiting

sentencing. On February 12, 2018, Stephanie Stap and Joshua Taramasko were sentenced. Teramasko received eight years and Stephanie received 24 years. Shauna Cannon was later sentenced to six years in prison and three years of probation. I mean, not hateful times for some of them. Yeah, and again, how much of those. had to do with the fact that authorities needed some of these people to tell on others. You know, we talked about it, right? Terramasco was not thought to have been involved in the killing.

Right. But he was definitely there. Sure. And, you know, he put down the drop cloth. He helped, you know, black out the windows. Participated at some level. Yeah. He definitely was a participant.

You can say, okay, eight years is kind of light. And you can also say, well, he wasn't directly involved in the murder, but it's kind of hard to say that. Yeah. Directly, indirectly. I mean, you're involved. You're involved. In an interview after the sentencing hearing, prosecutor Michael Frick said that when

William Alexander arrived at the house on August 19, 2015, his presence changed the tenor of the whole thing. Alexander encouraged Stephanie Step to her. hurt and kill Tiffany. Step fractured Tiffany's face and attempted to strangle her before Alexander beat her to death with a hammer. Frick also said he believed Teramasko's testimony at trial helped secure a conviction. So I'm sure that had a lot to do with the fact that he only got eight years. Terramasco's attorney said he had shown remorse for his role. I think that's a big piece too, right? I mean, you have to be remorseful. Not things.

fake in it, but you really need to show that your remorse. Genuine remorse is, yeah, very helpful. Tiffany's father, Blair Boyer, described his daughter as a loving person who had fallen in with the wrong crowd, saying, per the Albuquerque Journal, she never had the chance to take a different path in her life. Because of the actions that were taken by these individuals, that opportunity, that chance for a better life, was taken from her. And I'm sure that was rough for him to say. Yeah, because I think he recognized the fact that, well, she was doing some things she shouldn't have been doing, but, you know, who's to say that she doesn't break from this crowd at some point and, you know, get her life back in order.

On April 3rd, 2018, William Paul Alexander was sentenced to life plus 36 years. At the sentencing hearing, the court heard that he was a cheesecake baker who had plans. to open a shop near the University of New Mexico, he had already secured a location and started painting, but it never went any further because he was arrested. Yeah, that's who I want to get my cheesecakes from, a guy who kills women by hitting them with a hammer. Now, he might have made a hell of a cheesecake, but I'm not eating it. Yeah, I'm staying away from that. But Gibbs, he was going to call the cheesecake shop the felony cafe because it's a crime. It's a crime. it tastes so good.

That seems like a strange name to use. I mean, I don't care how good it was. The felony cafe. I don't know if it's going to really drum up a lot of business. Well, I don't know. It was also said that he planned on employing people with a criminal record, which, okay, I get it. A good idea, maybe to give some individuals a second chance. Do you pay with your credit card there or do you just pay cash only?

Maybe find a different cheesecake place. Yeah, I mean, I'm all about people, you know, getting a second chance, right? Of course. Being rehabilitated. That's a good thing. At the sentencing hearing, Alexander's attorney Leanne Kerr argued that there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence linking him to the murder. Kerr said in court, he, by all accounts, baked wonderful cheesecakes.

His idea was, let's get jobs for these folks. We'll call it to a felony cafe. I'll hire people who have gotten out of custody who want to make their lives better. And, you know, I can see that, you know, being a good thing if these people really are, you know, willing to turn their lives around. Sure, yeah. Given their second chance. But the fact that he was going to do this and the fact that he, by all accounts, baked wonderful cheesecakes. I'm not sure how that should factor into the sentencing guidelines.

Now, it might factor in where you're placed once you get into the prison system. Yeah. Maybe they need a good cheesecake baker. But you can't be a good guy over here and be a bad guy over here. Well, you can be, but it shouldn't cancel it out. Yeah. Right? Just because you did some good things doesn't completely cancel out the bad thing that you did or the bad things you do.

In his statement to the judge, Alexander said, I was trying to help people. I wasn't trying to hurt Tiffany. So I get what his attorney is trying to do, right? There's no DNA. There's no fingerprints. Basically, all you have are these people who said that my client was there and killed Tiffany with a hammer. But you have a lot of people. I mean, you do.

You have a lot of people where they stand up individuals? No, but it's a lot of people to point the finger at you. prosecutor Sean Sullivan said he was shocked that Alexander refused to take responsibility saying he's not a small business owner he's a murderer this isn't about cheesecake it's about a lie and he took Tiffany Boyer's life so Gibbs as we wrap this one up it's a real doozy right you have this investigation into the murders of Tiffany Boyer and machete bob very complex cases that really, if you think about it, might have remained unsolved without some of these witnesses coming forward and making some of the statements that they did. And then obviously,

you know, once police got a little bit of information, it snowballed. They started confronting people. The group of friends turned on each other, you know, almost immediately. And it was like each person started revealing more pieces of information. that shed light on what really happened to Tiffany and who was responsible. But the one thing I really do want to talk about because we haven't yet is, you know, Tiffany Boyer was a victim, right? She was murdered. Obviously, Machete Bob was a victim. But what role did Tiffany Boyer play in Machetey Bob's death? Well, I guess it comes down to what you believe. Do you believe she told this guy that she was raped not knowing what he would do or did she tell this guy that she was raped

knowing what he would do and maybe even kind of guiding him to do what he did right it's a little different because normally yet it's tough talking about the victim and and putting or assigning any type of blame on them, but there's a lot of unknowns here. Yeah. First of all, we don't know if she was raped, but if she did tell Adrian this, it could be, like you said, she didn't know what he would do, or it could have been she knew exactly what he would do, and that's what she wanted to happen. But we never know.

No. I don't know that we will ever know that part of it. It's just such a strange case because you have two people killed and they're not. but they're interconnected. Yeah. Yeah. They're connected to each other because obviously then Tiffany is killed because all of these people believe that it was her actions that led to Machete Bob's death.

Yeah. Or they're trying to figure out what happened to him, where he is. And she was killed during that process. Just a vicious cycle. But that's it for our episode on Tiffany Boyer. We got a voicemail gibbs. You want to check that out? Let's hear it.

Hi, guys. This is Sarah from Delaware. I've been a long-time listener, but I got a little behind. I'm currently listening to the Timothy John Cook episode. And I will say, Ghibie has always been my favorite, but not knowing Ed Brown-Poe's actual name might make my little golf heart have to switch teams. I think that should be more than enough. I think this is cruel, man. No, if we base it all on what Ghiby knows or doesn't know,

It's going to be rough. It's a sad day right now. What can you do, man? When you lose somebody that was Team Gibby. No, she's just thinking about it. Oh. She hasn't made the decision yet. Because there's still a chance.

So you're telling me there's a chance. That's right. You're telling me there's a chance that I can keep you. All right, buddy. That is it for another episode of true crime all the time. So for Mike and Gibby, stay safe and keep your own time ticking.