True Crime All The Time - Veronica Bozza

Episode Date: April 27, 2026

Veronica Bozza, a devoted mother with a successful career as a television producer, was shot to death inside her home in August 2010. Her estranged husband, Tim, provided a seemingly air-tight alibi, but investigators soon found suspicious activity on his phone records.Join Mike and Gibby as they discuss Veronica Bozza. In 1994, she married Tim Bozza, a self-employed home remodeler in the Nashville area. They settled in Hermitage, about 20 minutes outside the city. The couple had a son seven years later, but the relationship became strained under financial pressure. Veronica filed for divorce, and it was thought to be amicable, but the police would uncover an elaborate plan to murder Veronica.You can help support the show at patreon.com/truecrimeallthetimeVisit the show's website at truecrimeallthetime.com for contact, merchandise, and donation informationAn Emash Digital productionSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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All right, buddy, are you ready to get into this episode of true crime all the time? I am ready. We're talking about Veronica Boza. Veronica, a devoted mother with a successful career as a television producer was shot to death inside her home in August 2010. Her estranged husband, Tim, provided what was a seemingly airtight, alibi, but investigators soon found suspicious activity on his phone records. And it's always the estranged ex-husband. It is on the radar right away.

Veronica Bozo was born on March 31st, 1971 in Milan, Italy. Veronica attended university in Italy and majored in psychology. And I know you've spent a lot of time in Milan for Fashion Week there doing your runway type stuff. Well, I'm trying to get that, you know, new Ghibie line, you know, out there. It hasn't been smooth. Well, it's mostly fish net, and I think that is one of the big downsides. It's been a problem, especially on the men's wear, the underwear part.

You know, it's really not holding things where they should be held. But we are working on that, trying to go with a tighter knit. So more to come on that. Let's see how that goes. at the age of 23, Veronica moved to the U.S. to pursue her dream of working as a TV producer. In 1994, she married Tim Boza, who was self-employed and remodeled homes in the Nashville area. They settled in hermitage, about 20 minutes outside the city.

And you and I love Nashville. We've been there a couple of times for CrimeCon. I've been there a bunch just with my family and stuff. It's a great city. It is. You've been down there a few times doing open mic night with your guitar. Sure. Yeah. You never know who might be in the audience. That's true. Veronica also attended Vol State. Community College is a communications major. Their son was born seven years later. And it was said that, you know, Veronica had always

wanted a family. And she absolutely loved being a mother. And she did develop a successful career. as a TV producer. She was well liked and respected by her colleagues, and she was known for being a kind person who always helped others. Veronica and Tim's marriage became strange in the last year and a half before her death, in part due to financial problems. Tim was going through a rough period with his business while Veronica's career was taking off. Sometimes you get that animosity?

Yeah. Yeah, because, you know, you're like, she's doing good instead of being like happy right oh that's awesome babe you're you're doing everything you want and it's really helping us right now because my stuff's not really doing what i was hoping it would do but there are some men who can't handle that that's true i am 100% okay with it yeah you know if if my wife wants to make uh millions of dollars you know pour it on now she's a public school teacher, so that is unlikely to happen. Yeah, yeah. But hey, I like how you're thinking and how you are positive about that kind of stuff. You know, I'm, I'm secure. Yeah. Because I'm going to benefit.

And that's the one thing I guess I never understood about some of these guys who, it's like a blow to their ego because, okay, now all of a sudden their wife is making more money. I'm like, hey, that's just more for all of us to go around. Yeah. You and I used to work with a guy that had a, his wife was very successful. Yes. And he,

he was very open about it. He loved just piggybacking on that, you know? Hey, you know, do what you got to do. Veronica filed for divorce in 2009. She and Tim argued often about money and custody of their son.

They eventually reached an agreement on the division of assets, but they weren't able to resolve their custody issues. And we, you know, you and I talk about divorce a lot. Some divorces can be, you know, pretty amicable. Yeah. Some can be just downright nasty, like War of the Roses type situation. Yeah, the original War of the Roses, like nasty.

The remake was not nasty. Oh, there was a remake? Yeah, it wasn't the same. I didn't know that. Yeah, had that cumberback, come in? Benjamin Cumberbump. Why would you even try to say his name? You know it's not going to come out.

You are setting yourself up for failure. Benedict Cumberbatch. Yeah, that guy right there. According to State versus Boza, they were each given 182 and a half dates with their son, but the schedule gave Veronica more time with him. The child support also required Veronica to pay more than she would have paid under an equal custody arrangement.

You know, a lot of people at home right now are doing that math. 182.5 plus 182.5. What is it there, rain man? Say, don't worry. The math is right. 365. Tim was worried Veronica would move out of state and that the parenting plan would provide a basis

for her moving without the court's permission. She had expressed her desire to remain in Nashville for her son's benefit. And in an effort to alleviate Tim's concerns offered to pay the transportation costs and Tim's attorney's fees if she attempted to relocate. Nothing like saying, hey, I'm making more money than you, buddy. So don't worry about it. I'll pay for it if it ever comes down to it.

But it doesn't sound like she had any real desires to relocate. I think she just wanted it in there as a, you know, just in case. And to make him feel better. Yeah. Maybe because he obviously was worried about it. Veronica was shot to death inside her home on August 29, 2010. Earlier that day, Veronica and her son attended church together. Afterwards, she met Tim and the church parking lot to exchange custody, which was their

normal routine on Sundays. Veronica returned home alone. And I've mentioned it before, but, you know, my parents got divorced when I was pretty young five, I think, or six, something like that. And I can remember, it seemed like more often than not, the exchanges happened at a McDonald's. Oh, yeah. I don't know why, but that was their preferred location. And a lot of times, you know, if my mom dropped me off and my dad took me, we'd go in and eat, you know, at McDonald's before we went back home. So it benefited you. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Hey, can I get a McFlurry dad? They did not have McFlurries when I was six, seven years old. That is a relatively new concept. Veronica was found at 12.30 p.m. by her boyfriend Brian Robinson. Brian called 911 to report that Veronica was on the living room floor in a pool of blood. She was shot at least four times, two times in the head, once in the right shoulder, and once in the mid back. There were signs of a struggle. There was gunshot residue on Veronica's body and I think on her hands Gibbs because it indicated that she tried to grab the gun. The curtains were pulled down

and some chairs had been moved around. So she was a fighter. Yeah. And obviously that would have been a harrowing situation that nobody would ever want to find themselves in. But I think you're right. You know, she was going after that gun to, you know, try to save herself. The killer had taken the murder weapon and all but one shell casing. And I found this very interesting because, okay, if somebody's going to take the time to gather up shellcases, well, they know a little bit about, you know, forensics and things like that. So the one being left behind, what they just miss it? I mean, you would think that got to be the reason or were they like, you know what?

I'm going to leave this one. Let's see how good these police and detectives are. Well, I'm pretty sure they would all tell the same story. So my thought is the killer must have missed it, right? Maybe they didn't realize how many shots they fired or how many casings they had to pick up. I maybe felt a sense of urgency to get out of there as well. Yeah, that could be.

That could be. And maybe it rolled under something. Who knows? Brian told police he came to the house that day because he and Veronica had plans to go out. Upon his arrival, he found the garage door open. Veronica's car was inside and the door to the home was wide open. He walked in and found her body. I mean, we've said it before in other episodes, but how rough.

would that be? Yeah, that's going to be one of the worst days of your life. I also can imagine kind of, you know, getting to the house, okay, the garage doors open. Maybe that's not the biggest deal. Sometimes people leave their garage doors open. Sometimes they just forget to shut it. But then when you see that the door leading into the house is open, that's just to me strange. Most people don't do that. Brian was considered a suspect. And he is the current boyfriend. So that doesn't surprise me at all, right?

Police have to rule out all possibilities. And like we always talk about, they start kind of from the center and work their way out. So you've got Brian, the current boyfriend. Obviously, you have the estranged husband, X. At the crime scene, investigators discovered that Veronica was a victim of a random mugging and robbery months earlier, she had a letter from the state informing her that the subject who was arrested was going to be

released on parole. That would be alarming. That would be very alarming considering the fact that this just happened a few months earlier and this guy's already getting out. but I think from the standpoint of the police, all right, now we've got to look at this guy. Absolutely. Because he may or may not have been out at the time that the murder occurred. So police had to investigate this individual.

However, record showed he was in jail that day. And we talk a lot about alibis, right? Some are, okay, not very good at all. I was home by myself all night. nobody can corroborate that. Yeah. You've got mom is vouching for me, that type of alibi or a significant other or something like that. Those can go a couple of different ways because people have a vested interest in not wanting to see that person go to jail.

You know, the one that is pretty airtight is you were in jail or in prison. kind of hard to debate that one. Yeah. I think they have pretty good records of where you are if you're a prisoner. And if you were there the entire day that someone was killed, I think you're going to be scratched off the list pretty quickly. But, you know, there are services. I'm just going to plug my own run an alibi.com.

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Detectives then focused on reconstructing Veronica's final hours. They knew she went to church and dropped off her son with Tim. She talked to Brian on the phone. During her drive home and also a coworker, cell record showed she and Brian talked at 11.51 a.m. authorities established that Veronica was alive at 1208 p.m. and dead by 1220, leaving about a 12 minute window for the murder to occur. That's a very small window.

Yeah, 12 minutes is not a lot of time. Now, you can get quite a bit done in 12 minutes. But as far as narrowing down where somebody was, or their alibi, you know, yeah, it doesn't give a lot of leeway. No. Brian arrived at Veronica's house around 1225 or 1230. He called 911 at 1230. And I thought this was a very, you know, interesting piece of the timeline.

You know, they believe she was dead by 1220. Yeah. Then Brian shows up five minutes or 10 minutes later. by 1230, he's calling 911. So, I mean, let's say he shows up at 1225. Maybe if he had nothing to do with it, that's the reason why the individual didn't get the other casing because he didn't have the,

that person didn't have the time to search for it because they, maybe they heard a car pull up. Yeah. Saw headlights. Yeah, that's a good theory. But police found it hard to believe. Brian could have arrived so quickly after she was killed without spotting the person responsible fleeing the area.

So he was taken in for further questioning. And like I said earlier, right, how could he not be? He's got to be eliminated. He's the current boyfriend. And he's one at founder. Yeah. He's got kind of a double whammy against him because he's the current boyfriend and he found the body.

And both of those people are normally looked at. he just happens to be both. Yeah. He described how he and Veronica met through work and had only been dating for a few months. They were supposed to go on a weekend trip together. Investigators noted that Brian only checked for a pulse after he called 911 and the dispatcher asked if Veronica was breathing. He also washed his hands before police arrived.

So, okay, a couple of things that possibly could. you know, could be suspicious or at least to please. They're, they're going to think maybe that's suspicious. Yeah, the one thing that that jumps out at me about Brian or, you know, most boyfriends is what's the motive? Right. You know, especially if you've only been dating for a few months,

what is the motive to kill your girlfriend? It can't be financial. Right. You don't have anything monetarily. invested in this relationship. It's so new. And both parties can walk away anytime they want without really any ramifications. Unless one of the parties doesn't want to walk away. Yeah. You can't, you know, we've heard it before. You're not going to leave me. Yeah, I get that. And there could be the kind of snap situation, right? That could happen. Brian maintained

his innocence. And when asked if Veronica had disagreements with anyone, He named Tim. He mentioned they were involved in a contentious divorce and custody battle. Brian said about the divorce, when Veronica refused to submit to him, to it just being a split, he then attempted to tarnish her as a mother. Brian said he and Veronica were worried that Tim was capable of bad things. Brian had been keeping an eye out for months. He explained that he always felt like maybe he was the kind of guy.

who was going to have somebody there like surveillance or something like that. Just felt like he had eyes on them all the time. Or he was the type of guy who would do that. Yeah. Now, I think you could say, okay, maybe Brian's a little paranoid or maybe he is, but rightfully so. Yeah, it sounds like maybe it could have been justified. Investigators learned Tim and Veronica were just weeks away from finalizing their divorce. police traveled to Tim's home to notify him of Veronica's death.

And it was noted that he didn't seem particularly upset. And this is something that gets analyzed all the time, right? How does someone react in a certain situation? I get it. They're not in the best place. Right. They're going through this contentious divorce. But she's also the mother of your child.

Right. and she was the love of your life at one point, I just don't know how you can't have feelings upon learning that this woman is dead. Unless you really hated her. Yeah. And some people do. I mean, divorces can go real bad. Yeah.

Tim was brought in for questioning and talked about Veronica's affair with Brian Robinson. He explained that he noticed she was acting. weird and admitted to the relationship. They tried therapy, but it didn't work. And he eventually moved out. However, he never really wanted to get divorced. Besides the divorce, another potential motive was Veronica's $550,000 life insurance policy. Veronica and Tim were both under court order to maintain at least a $350,000 policy.

Once the divorce was finalized, Tim, Tim, would no longer be the beneficiary, which he admitted in his interview. That would definitely be potential motive. Yeah, he's got a couple of things, right, going against him, at least when it comes to motive. You have the contentious divorce. You've got the custody issues. Now he would have benefited to the tune of over half a million dollars. Yeah. That's quite a bit of, that's quite a bit of money. And not only that, but, you know, time is running out for him because here very soon, he's no longer going to be the beneficiary. And I think you have to take that into account as well. So if you want to benefit from that, you better act.

Investigators later learned that Tim filed an insurance claim just three days after Veronica was killed. I know it's it's the right of. of the person that's a benefactor, right? Sure. Whenever. I always just find it strange when they file so quickly on cases like this. Yeah. Do you not realize that it's not going to make you look great?

You've already talked to police probably. Yeah. You have to know that you're going to be at least on their radar. You know, maybe you let it lay for a little while. Maybe just allow the police to do what they need to do. and hopefully find the killer before you worry about getting your half million plus dollars. Or worry more about being there for your son. That's very true.

Because, you know, he's lost his mother and it's going to be really hard on him. But Tim maintained his innocence. He said that he last saw Veronica in the church parking lot when she dropped their son off. He went to a hardware store and grocery store near his home. and there was surveillance footage and receipts to support his story. Brian Robinson also had an alibi supported by surveillance footage. Police spoke to Veronica's neighbors in hopes of getting more information. One neighbor said they saw a light colored SUV,

parked in a nearby alley before the murder, and then later afterwards it was gone. Veronica's purse was found in her car, but her cell phone was missing. Cell records showed that the phone left her home, but the trail stopped, suggesting that the phone was turned off or the battery died. So whoever killed her wanted her phone? Yeah, and you wonder why.

Is it because possibly there was some communication on the phone that the killer thought could potentially lead back to them? Now, what communication would it be that the police ultimately wouldn't be able to get? Exactly. I mean, they can get records of texts and all that. But maybe this person didn't realize that. Yeah, it's possible. But we're also talking about an individual who tried to make sure they took the shell casings with them.

So they at least had some smarts or had watched some movies or TV. shows enough to know that that's something that could possibly sink them. Tim's phone record showed he made numerous calls to one number before and after he and Veronica met to exchange their son. That number belonged to his friend Corey Cotham. Corey and Tim had known each other for several years. Corey had been living away from the Nashville area, but in April 2010, he contacted Tim and began working for him. They also socialized together. Corey had a criminal record that included terrorizing and assaulting women. So not a nice guy. Apparently not the women. Yeah. Corey's cell phone records indicated that his phone was traveling in the same direction as Veronica's before she was killed.

His phone also left the crime scene on the same route and at the same time as Veronica's phone. Coincidence? I think not. I also think that you still have trouble saying coincidence. I think I said it perfectly. But here's the thing, right?

If this guy turns out to be the killer and he had enough sense to try to take his shell casings and he had enough sense to either turn off her phone or take the battery out or whatever, why didn't he have enough sense to think that his phone was going to be tracked? And maybe that's because he never thought police would tie him to the murder or to Tim. Yeah, I mean, that's probably what it was if he's a person that did this.

But no doubt, right? He became the prime suspect. And how can you not be when your cell essentially is following the same route? as the victim both before and after the murder. Yeah, it doesn't look good. On August 30th, Corey was questioned under the guise of helping clear Tim's name. He didn't want to come into the station, but agreed to an interview in a parking lot. He explained that he called Tim the morning before to talk about their weekend and Tim's new girl.

He called Tim a second time and they talked until Tim picked his son. up, he texted Tim again on August 30th to tell him he would be late to work. And Tim replied, there was no work because of what happened to Veronica. And according to him, this was how Corey found out about the murder. He called Tim after receiving this text. In regards to his alibi, Corey claimed he visited a couple of his girlfriends at different locations that were not near Veronica's house. A couple of girlfriends.

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He was in Veronica's neighborhood when he called Tim around 12.20 p.m. Corey became irate and denied any involvement in the murder. And this is where, you know, police and detectives can get pretty tricky. they have a piece of evidence that they're not disclosing up front. Before they do that, they want to lock the person into certain statements. And in this case, you know, they asked Corey what he did that day, where he was, all the while knowing that they had his phone records. Yeah, they did a good job boxing them in.

Yeah. police obtained a warrant to seize Corey's car and phone. His vehicle matched the description of the car, seen near Veronica's house on the day of the murder. Investigators found gloves, clothing, a red lunchbox, and a blue towel in the car. But they were forced to release Corey due to a lack of evidence. And that might shock a lot of people,

but let's look at what the evidence really was. Okay. I mean, the cell phone records are damning, but they're not proof of murder. No. The fact that his car matches a car that a neighbor said they saw before and after the murder or it was gone after the murder. Okay, it doesn't make him look great, but it's not evidence of murder. Yeah, it's not enough to hold somebody. Yeah, or bring a charge or anything like that.

DNA testing showed that a mixture of DNA from three individuals was found on the blue towel taken from Corey's car. One test excluded Tim Boza and Brian Robinson, but not Veronica and Corey. Testing at another facility determined Corey was the major contributor, but could not exclude Veronica and Brian as minor contributors. I think this is where, you know, DNA can get kind of fuzzy. Yeah.

Frustrating at times. You know, it's not always that kind of one in four quadrillion. Right. That we talk about when you have major and minor contributors and a mixture of DNA, all right, things get a little muddy. The waters do. Investigators looked into everyone Corey spoke to on the day of the murder. for example at 1228 p.m. he called someone who said he used to live across from Corey.

He cleaned a 9mm gun for Corey a couple of weeks prior. The witness recalled that Corey took the gun out of a red lunchbox. Again, one of the items that was found in his vehicle. Yeah. Also, I don't know why you need somebody else to clean your gun for you. They're not hard to clean. I was wondering the same thing. Is it that difficult to clean a pistol?

No, it's really not. Police also talked to Corey's girlfriend, Jennifer Addington, who went by the nickname Jenny. Jenny initially supported Corey's alibi. Wait a minute. Are you telling me that Jennifer had the nickname of Jenny? Yeah, shocking, isn't it? It really is. I wonder if her telephone number was 1-800.

Or 867-3-309? Exactly. He started out with $1,800. It does make me sound kind of stupid to say she went by the nickname Jenny, but I get it. Thanks for not actually calling me that, but pointing it out in a much more subtle way. Well, hey, you redeemed yourself when you gave out the correct number versus my $1,800. So she, you know, she's backing up his alibi initially, but then on September 11th, she reached out again and said, she wanted to tell.

the truth. She had previously said Corey was at her house around 12 to 12.30 p.m. on the day of the murder, but now she admitted she wasn't sure what time he was there. She slept most of the morning because she had been working the night before. Corey was there when she woke up later in the afternoon. So it sounds to me like she might have been asleep during that period of time and Corey said, hey, I was here, but she corroborated his alibi without really being able to. Maybe she learned that he told the police that, hey, I was over that in that area because I was visiting some of my girlfriends. And she's like, I'll correct that right now. Yeah, that's probably not what you want to say to keep your girlfriend on your side,

the person who is corroborating your alibi. Right. Jenny also admitted that she stole her ex-husband Jeffrey Walters' handgun and put it in a red lunchbox. She decided she was going to sneak the gun back into her ex-husband's home, but it was missing. Corey was the only one who knew about it. Jeffrey Walters confirmed his gun was missing and allowed police to compare his shell casings to the one found at the scene. And it was a match. Luckily that he had some casings. Yeah, it is because I don't know how many people saved their casings.

Now, if you reload your own ammo and maybe he did that, that would be a reason why a lot of people would save their casings. Jenny then informed the police that Corey was planning to leave the country. She was asked to come to the station and wear a wire while she placed a call to Corey. She told him she was worried police were going to arrest her because the handguns. gun she took was linked to the homicide. Corey replied, they're saying it's a nine millimeter. They can get nine millimeter bullets anywhere. That don't matter. So that's stupid. The problem is the caliber of the gun was not public knowledge at the time. Corey also told Jenny she needed to contact him, suggesting he was involved in the murder after all. So there's a couple of things here.

you know, number one, Jenny, I think at a certain point, probably has to go into self-preservation mode because she did actually steal this gun from her ex-husband. Right. And so whether she lied about the alibi or she just confirmed it, even though technically she was asleep, the gun thing, okay, that's going to get you in trouble. Number one, it's theft. But then secondly, it's used in a murder. And then for me, the other thing is Corey just can't keep his damn mouth shut. You cannot. But that's often why, you know, police want people to wear a wire or record their phone calls and have them call the person.

You think you're talking to someone you can trust. He's just randomly saying stuff like, it's a 9mm that they're saying, you can get those anywhere. Well, which you can, 9 millimeter is a very common ammo right here in the U.S. But when police haven't made it public that Veronica was killed by a 9 millimeter, okay, that doesn't make you look good. And that's on top of the fact that, and Corey might not have known this, but they have a shell casing that they can actually match to a specific gun. Yeah.

On September 21st, 2010, the Nashville Metropolitan Police Department announced the arrests of Tim Boza and Corey Koppel. Both were charged with first-degree murder. Corey refused to talk to police. And that's probably a good idea because he had already messed himself up on numerous occasions. That's very true. Tim was questioned on September 28, 2010. At first, he denied any involvement. in the murder or prior knowledge of Corey's actions.

He took a break to consult with his attorney and then denied that he hired Corey to kill Veronica, but admitted they had conversations that were, quote, still kind of suggesting. Oh, suggestive. Well, Tim admitted that they had talked about a criss-cross murder plot to kill the troublesome person in the other's life. Corey was supposed to kill Veronica and Tim was supposed to kill the ex-husband of one of Corey's girlfriend. Oh, is this like the stranger on the train?

It is. Or throw mama from the train. Or throw mama from the train. Which is my favorite. I know. It's one of your most favorites. And you know, Tim did say that the plot was inspired by the 1987 movie, Throw Mama from the train.

Of course, your favorite movie. Yeah. You're going to take credit. You know, that's the one with Danny DeVito, his character agreeing to kill Billy Crystal's ex-wife, over authorship of a book in exchange for Crystal killing DeVito's mother. Tim admitted the idea came from this movie and said, Corey offered him $10,000 to commit murder.

He thought it was a joking conversation. Now, I'm sure that people have joked about this idea. I truly believe that. Yeah. They don't mean it. They're just joking. Hey, you kill this person's causing me trouble. I'll kill this person who's causing you trouble.

But we're never really going to do it. We're just messing around. I don't think it's a great thing to mess around about. But I'm sure there are people who have done it over the years. To just be clear, we have never done that ever for the record. For the record. Yeah. For whoever's listening.

Exactly. According to Tim, Corey knew where to find Veronica. on August 29th because he previously pointed out the church in school to him, he told Corey that morning he was going to pick up his child. He didn't see Corey when he was picking up his child, but he saw him earlier that morning. They talked about Corey's girlfriends and the fact that Corey was driving his girlfriend's van. Tim admitted that when he saw Corey, he quote,

had a feeling about what was about to happen, but also thought Corey wouldn't follow through with him. because Corey had followed Veronica before and had not harmed her. He denied needing to know when the murder was going to take place so he could establish an alibi. All right, Tim is not making himself look good here either. Not at all. Now, he is trying to cast more of the guilt on Corey.

Yeah, we were joking around about this, and I never took it seriously, but it seems like he might have followed through with it. He also never said, Oh, when I did see Corey, I said, hey, Corey, we were joking. You know that, right? Don't do anything. I hope you're not planning on doing anything because I don't want you to. Yeah, but there's a, yeah, there's a couple things that he says here. Like, he knew Corey had followed Veronica before. Okay, at that point, if you know that, do you not step in and say, hey, I do not want you to kill this woman. Right. He doesn't say anything about that. Because you'd have to ask yourself, why are you following her? Yeah.

Tim noted that about a week before the September 28th interview, Corey came to his house asking for $35,000. Tim said he would not receive any money while there were unresolved questions about Veronica's death. And we talked earlier about why he would need to file the life insurance claim so quickly. Well, if he owes somebody $35,000 for committing the murder, that might be one reason why. I would think so. Tim also talked about his marriage to Veronica. He said she meant everything to him and he loved her. But nothing he did was good enough for her.

When he caught her having an affair, she told him the courts would be on her side. He would get nothing and he would never see their son. He admitted he wanted something to happen to Veronica so he could be with his son, but he didn't want someone to kill her. Referring to an alleged marital impropriety, he said that if he had been able to kill someone, he would have killed Veronica the second time he discovered she was having an affair. Again, I don't know why these are things that you're revealing. Yes, you should probably think about what's coming out of your mouth. Also, he wanted something to happen to Veronica so he could be with his son. But he didn't want someone to kill her.

Well, what is something that could happen to her that would cause her not to be able to see her son and the custody would go to Tim? Yeah, I mean, it could only be if she died. Or she's in horrific accident. I just don't understand what he's saying. or why he thinks this is making him look better in the eyes of the authorities. And also he's saying, if I wanted to kill her, I would have killed her the second time I discovered she was having an affair. Well, but you didn't kill her. In this police scenario, right, you hired somebody else to kill her.

So I don't know how that plays either. he did say that he just wanted to move on with his life, like Veronica had. Tim gave a second statement on November 2, 2010. Once again, he acknowledged that the conversation about the crisscross murder for hire plot was in jest. Corey mentioned it again a couple days later and offered Tim $10,000 to kill a man. Tim said he couldn't do it. He told Corey, he wished Veronica would get hit by. a bus, run over by a drunk driver, or would move to California.

Corey later told him he followed Veronica. It sounds like he still wanted some pretty nasty stuff to happen, Veronica, though. What goes back to the whole point of, how is he going to get full custody of the son unless something really bad happens to her? Tim gave a third statement on November 16th because he hadn't been truthful during his last interview. Well, that's a real shocker. Yeah. He said when he and Corey first talked about the Chris Cross murder from the movie, they were both having a bad day. Corey brought it up again a couple of days later. And at that point, seemed more serious about it. Tim said he couldn't kill anyone.

Corey offered him 10,000. Tim said that sounded good to him. And he agreed to give Corey $10,000 as well. Well, that's a big change. Yeah. He's still saying, I can't kill anyone, but that $10,000 does sound pretty good. Tim and Veronica continued to have disagreements about the divorce. Meanwhile, Corey wanted to establish a routine of following her. Tim didn't disagree with this and said that he just kind of left the idea there in place. I was also just thinking if Tim gives Corey 10 and Corey gives him.

gives him, Tim. Why even give each other money at all? Just keep, just keep your money and, uh, yeah, it does seem to cancel out. On the day of the murder, Tim talked to Corey and Corey said he was nearby and that he could see him across the street. A short time after Tim picked up his son, Corey called and told him it was done. All right. So this is like his third interview, right? And he's really kind of morphed some things, as people often do. Right. from interview to interview story to story. Now, some of the stuff is kind of the same in all of the statements. But there are definitely some nuances in them.

But this revelation here that Corey called him and told him it was done, I mean, that's a pretty specific confession. Now, I still think Tim is trying to lessen his role. Sure he is. Yeah, we talked about this criss cross. I told him I couldn't kill anybody. I just kind of left it hanging out there. He's saying all of these things to make it seem as though Corey just took it upon himself to murder Veronica.

Let's say in the hopes that Tim would come around and do his part, it just doesn't seem all that believable. No. And if Tim really didn't have anything to do with it, why wouldn't he have just called the authority? he's right then and said, hey, I think this buddy of mine killed my wife. Well, that's a great point. You know, if you really thought that, maybe you try to get ahead of it. Yeah. Corey came to Tim's house a couple of weeks later and asked for $35,000.

He wanted more money because Veronica fought with him. Corey said he was going to get a new identity in Lee. According to Tim, Corey wasn't aware of Veronica. insurance money, but he was aware of a loan Tim applied for. He would not have told Corey about the life insurance because he probably would have asked for more money. Yeah, if you're getting 550 grand, I want more than 10. Yeah, I'm sure he'd want 100,000. Tim and Corey were tried separately and were both found guilty of murder. Corey was also convicted of especially aggravated Robert. Now most of the trial information comes from State versus Boza.

Prosecutors presented a theory of the crime. They believed that Corey went to the church on the morning of August 29th. The only person who could have told him Veronica would be there was Tim. While Tim ran errands, Corey followed Veronica home. Corey pulled in behind her and approached her wearing a mask and gloves. Veronica ran inside. Corey followed her. A struggle ensued and Corey shot her. Corey's former girlfriend Jenny testified that she worked in Alabama on the night of August 28th and got back to Nashville around 9.30 a.m. on the 29th. She went to sleep and woke up to find Corey leaning over her. She always kept her handbag containing the key to her van in bed. with her because of her roommates.

It was possible Corey took her key, but she didn't know for sure if he drove her van while she slept. How rough is it when you have to take your own keys to bed with you? For fear that your roommates are going to steal your van? Yeah. Maybe you should get some different roommates. That's what I was thinking. Jenny woke up in the mid-afternoon.

She and Corey went out for an early dinner. On the way to the restaurant, Corey stopped in a parking lot by a Catholic church and school. Corey said he didn't know why they went that way and then turned around. She also testified that at Corey's urging, she stole a 9mm handgun from her ex-husband on July 17th or 18th, 2010. Corey told her to take it to stop her husband from using it on her. He didn't ask her to give him the gun.

She put it in a red lunchbox in her van and noticed that it was missing on July 27. Corey had unloaded groceries from the back of her van on multiple occasions. So easy access to it? Yeah. And, you know, was he playing her all along? Hey, you need to steal this gun before your ex uses it on you, all the while knowing that he's going to use this to commit a murder. Right. Possibly without her knowledge.

The jury also heard from Judge Philip Robinson, who previously, represented Veronica and her divorce proceedings. Veronica notified him of two communications from Tim, which she perceived as threats. On March 28, 2010, she emailed Robinson and said she and Tim had a heated discussion. During their custody exchange about parenting time, Tim looked at her and said, be careful, it's coming. Wow. That's damning. Well, what's coming? Now, I think after someone is murdered, that statement is even more ominous. I think if somebody said that to me, I would take it as a threat, but I wouldn't know what the threat was because I don't know what is coming.

But after someone's murdered, you can kind of put it in there as that's what was coming. Exactly. This was before the hearing. After the hearing, she and Tim had a disagreement about his questioning her about their child's babysitter. she tried to explain how she perceived his questions. And Tim said he could not speak to her and accused her of not focusing on their child. He said it would take a simple phone call to end the nonsense.

She asked Tim if he was threatening her and he continued yelling so she hung up on him. A simple phone call to end the nonsense. I mean, this is pretty vague stuff. It is. But again, most people don't come out and say, I'm going to call my buddy who's going to kill you. They're not that stupid. Detective Chad Gish testified that although Corey's phone contained text messages to and from Tim, before and after the murder, Tim's phone didn't contain any messages or call history.

Corey's phone also contained photos of Tim and a photo of the gun. So sounds like Tim deleted all the ones on his phone. Sounds like he wiped it, yeah. In February 2012, Corey was sentenced to life. without parole plus 25 years. Tim was sentenced in October 2012. He won't be eligible for parole until he has served 51 years in prison. Good. Yeah, I'm good with both those. Tim Boza and Corey Cotham thought that they could get away with murder by following a movie plot. Tim believed he had covered his tracks by securing an alibi for himself, but he didn't account for encirmed.

phone records and cooperative witnesses who helped prove his involvement. And he just wasn't good at telling the stories. And neither one of them were. And I think that's the downfall of many people, right? You know, as we wrap this one up, so many times in the episodes that we cover, you know, people are just, you know, they're undone by the stories they tell because they often have to change those stories later on after being confronted with, certain evidence and it just becomes a real mess at that point.

What happens when you lie? Well, like you always said, right? When you're telling the truth, it's easy to keep the story straight because it just is what it is. Exactly. When you're crafting this narrative that turns out to be false, it can be a lot harder in sticking to it because, number one, you made it up or you fabricated at least bits and pieces of it.

And then number two, once you're confronted with facts that completely disprove what you've been saying, well, now you've got to pivot. Yeah. And you got to come up with another lie. And is that going to stand up? You know, just it never works out well for these people. You could only pivot so many times anyway. Yeah. It's just, it's hard to believe that, you know, Tim didn't know what was going to happen.

you take these threats that he had made to Veronica, you know, I get it. Defendants are always trying to lessen their involvement, especially when there's another person involved. Anytime you can switch the level involvement or sway it more towards the other person, I guess the better for you. Yeah. But to me, it's just so unbelievable that he thought, well, we had to be. this conversation about, you know, each killing the others problem person in their lives.

But, yeah, I never thought he would go through with it. Even though I knew he was following her, just stuff like that. It just, it makes it nonsensical at a certain point. Really does. And I believe the jury saw it that way, too. I just feel bad, obviously, for the son. Yeah, absolutely, because he lost his mother. He lost his father.

Yeah. And that's the other thing that in these cases, whether it's a murder for custody or a murder for financial gain, when a child is involved, how does one parent not think that no matter how this thing shakes out, it is going to do irreparable damage to their child? Number one, one of the parents is going to be killed. And then there's a really good chance that you're going to be caught, which means the child's going to lose both parents. Exactly.

But if you're able to come to the decision that you could kill your spouse or ex or have that person killed, well, maybe you don't care all that much about what it does to your child. Clearly he didn't. He cared more about himself than his child. Which is the problem with. most people. Yep, it really is. But that's it for our episode on Veronica Boza. We've got a couple of voicemails. You want to check those out? Let's hear. Hey, guys. This is Mark calling from Oregon.

I'm team Mick Kee or Gibby or whatever. I love you both. You guys are awesome. I just listened to the episode about Patricia Orr because mostly I just watched an episode about that on FBI files. And I wanted to see the comparison between their view of it and your view of it. And it was amazing. guys did a great job. You matched every fact. There were no discrepancies, but it was, it was great to get a true crime officianto, I guess. I don't want to say fan, but you love it. It was amazing. I just really appreciate the episode, and I really love you guys. Keep doing what you're doing and keep your own time taking. Thanks.

I appreciate the kudos very much. And we had a caller from Oregon who didn't talk about seeing people walking around with swords, which is, you know, a plus nowadays. Apparently unusual. Yeah. No, but thanks. And, you know, we do some consulting with the FBBI. The FPBI? The FBBI.

The FBBI. Okay. That went south. Yeah, you're going to have to explain that acronym or acronym because I don't know what that is. Mike, Givy, what's going on, guys? This is Josh. It's my second voice, no.

Left one back in January. I'm the one who had the appendectomy and you guys have me laughing. so hard. I almost pop my stitches. Anyway, I still have not called up, but I am on Bruce MacArthur. I had to call and leave a voicemail because you guys were talking about poppers. Bergie kept saying he didn't know if he's ever done poppers. Listen, guys, as a gay man, I just wanted to let you know. That's an almost exclusively gay drug. So I doubt you have ever done poppers, Berge. But feel free to be.

Give it a try. They're not that bad. Anyway, love you guys. I'm team Gibby. Just, I relate to Ferr anymore, but Gibby's just hilarious.

So you guys, keep up the good work. Keep your head on slivel and keep your own time thinking. Thanks, guys. All right. Love the voicemail. Yeah, don't believe I've ever done Poppers.

Did not know that that was almost, as he said, exclusively a gay person's drug. I did not know that. Now you know. I just have heard poppers. Poppers. Don't really know what they are, to be honest with you.

Maybe we should look it up. Yeah. Well, be careful because you might see some things you don't want to see. Depends. Yeah. So, like you said, now we know. We love information. We do.

Knowledge is power. The question is always, will we remember it the next time this comes up? Sometimes we do. Sometimes we don't. You know, the answer for me is, I will not. I forget things fairly frequently. I was also thinking going back to the

first voicemail, McGibby sounds like something new coming out of McDonald's. You know, they should. The McGibby. The McGibby. I think that'd be a big hit. Would you go buy a McGibby at McDonald's?

It depends on what it is. I think it would be a sandwich that's not real sure what it is. Doesn't know. what's in it. Maybe has seen that mystery

ingredient in something else, but can't remember the name of it. Is it a McRim? Is it a McRim? Is it a McChicid? We don't know. Maybe it's just an amalgamation of a bunch of different things. It'd be a big hit. It would be a big hit. I like it.

All right, buddy, that is it for another episode of True Crime all the time. So for Mike and Gibby, stay safe and keep your own time ticking.