True Crime All The Time - Westley Allan Dodd

Episode Date: July 23, 2018

Westley Allan Dodd was one of the most evil men to walk this earth. He preyed on the young, the trusting, and the vulnerable. His sexual fantasies started at a young age and it is thought that he had as many as 50 victims. Then, he graduated to murder. After he was caught, Dodd asked for the death penalty, telling anyone that would listen that he would do anything he could to escape so he could murder again.Join Mike and Gibby as they discuss the life and crimes of this vile monster. Dodd was arrested and let go with a slap on the wrist so many times that you have to question how the system let this happen. By his own admission, he would have never stopped on his own. Visit www.patreon.com/truecrimeallthetime to support the show. We just released our first full length patreon episode!Visit the show's website at truecimeallthetime.com for contact, donation, and merchandise information.Please support our sponsors:Simplisafe - go to simplisafe.com/tcatt for the best value in home security.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

everyone and welcome to episode 88 of the true crime all the time podcast. I'm Mike Ferguson. And with me as always is my partner in true crime, Mike Gibson, Gibby, what is the word? What's going on, my man? No, wait a minute. You can't play that. That don't sound right. What do you mean I can't play that? You're not my man. I was meant to say my main man. I don't know. He just said my man. I know. I'm leaving it in. I don't care. You probably are. I am. What episodes is? 88.

88, man. Infinity, affinity. All right. That's what I'm going with. Is that what you're going with? What would be cool? We just never stop, man. We never stop.

Never stop. For the rest of time. Never stop. That sounds like a beginning of a motivational speech. Never stop. Who you, Tony Robbins now? Keep going. Always.

Never stop. Affinity. All right, Gibbs. We've got some new Patreon supporters. All right, let's do it. We have Eric Towee. Did you say Toe? Toie.

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He's the part I got right. Yeah. The first name. Aoli? I didn't say Aoli. There's an F in there. Soft F. It actually could be Aofi.

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Yep. Just went ahead and put the old in front of it. Save me a little time. Save you some time, even though you went ahead and did it anyway. And then we had Donna Birch. Good old Donna. So if we go back into the Vault Gibbs, this week we selected Deb Predmore. Been with us a long time.

appreciate that. We appreciate all the new support, the people that continue to support us month after month. We do. We really do. And we had some support on PayPal as well. We had Larry Jones, Roya Dostafa. Dostafa. I think that was pretty good. Yeah. Daniel Sims. Hey, Daniel. Rhoda Brannigan. Ooh, Rhoda. And Autumn Pipes. Autumn. Yeah, there's a name you don't hear. I like that name. Cool names. But she's got some pipes. She probably does. Yeah, Autumn Pipes. Now, no T-Cat Unsolved this week. We're taking a break from the Unsolved podcast.

We did. We went straight Patreon. Yep. We did put out our first Patreon-only episode. It's on Ashton Sacks. It is. It's a good story. It's a really good story.

So if you're not a Patreon member yet, this is probably the best time to go ahead and join up. Yep. I think it is. Because you're going to find that you're going to really enjoy the story, some of the witty banner that. that we put out. And there's going to be future episodes. Yep.

We plan on doing more. For sure. Now, have to give a huge shout out to one of our big fans, Gibbs, Vicki Farachi. Thank you, Vicki.

She helped in the writing and research of this episode. That's awesome. So much appreciated. So let's get into the episode. You ready? I always ask if you're ready. I'm ready.

I'm going to go forward either way. I know. You're not going to wait for me. No, but just do it. I feel like I'm being polite and asking you. Yeah, you're not, you're just doing it because you're recording and people think you're polite.

Exactly. They don't see the look and the stuff that you throw at me. As I asked the question, I'm flipping double burr. Yeah. Is that what you're saying? Yeah, you're throwing rocks at me. So we're talking about Wesley Allen Dodd. This guy's one of the most evil killers in recent history.

Pretty evil. He prayed on the young, the innocent, the vulnerable. and not to give away the ending, but he was the first man in Washington State to be hanged in 30 years. That happened in 1993. We'll get to it. Yeah, but to be hanged.

To be hanged. You don't think about, that's not that long ago, 1993. Like the Wild West. Yeah, you don't think about people being hanged. That's what I would have done back in the day if I was Rex West as a sheriff of a town. You always just want to be Rex West.

Westman. Can't just be Mike Gibson. No, Rex West man. Always into the role playing. I'd have a little deeper voice. This is Rex West. You're going to skip over my role playing thing? So I said 30 years in Washington State, but, you know, really 28 years in all of the United States up to that point in 1993. So Wesley Allen Dodd was born in Topinish, Washington, July 3rd, 1961, to Jim and Kerr. Carol Dodd. He had two younger siblings. His father, he went by Jim, but his real name, first name was also Wesley, drove a dairy truck and his mother Carolyn stayed at home. What do you think a dairy truck was back then? You think that's where they dropped off their milk at your front porch? Or you think he drove like the collector thing, you know, were they? In 61, I wasn't born,

but I'm assuming they were probably maybe still doing some dairy, like home deliveries, maybe? It goes on the day. Does it? Yeah, we work with somebody. She gets dairy delivered to her house a couple times a week. Is it one of the people that live out in the boonies? That's somebody that I report to. Really?

She gets two things of milk delivered to her every so many days. Yeah, she loves it. Not like in the old days, though. It doesn't come in a wire basket in glass bottles. She has something out front that they put it in. Really? Yeah. I'm shocked.

She absolutely loves it. Hmm. So today you can still get, you know, it's organic. I'm sure organic. I'm sure she's paying out the wazoo for it. Oh, you have to. I would think. I mean, I've, I've been to like Whole Foods or Dorsi Bay Market and seen that fresh squeezed, organic grass-fired.

And that's you going to get it yourself. That's me going to get it. That's no delivery charge. It's like three times the cost of regular milk. Wow. So I can't imagine what a. cost delivered. Now, Dodd would later say in interviews that he was never abused or neglected as a child, but he never heard the words, I love you, from his family growing up. You know, there's a lot of

people that I know, especially with their dad, just was never somebody that said, I loved you. What, I think the further back in time we go, the more that you saw from dads. More tough love. Yeah, I think today, there's a lot more dads that are into the I love yous. Yeah. But not only did he say he didn't hear the words, but he also said he never remembered ever saying them to anybody else. Yeah. As a child, you think that's kind of normal, right?

You tell your mom and dad you love them. Well, at least in my house, it was said a lot. Yeah. So. But, and I'm not saying, I'm not saying any issues at my house. I'm just saying words are still words. I mean, you can say you love somebody. It always comes down to, you know, do you show it?

Yeah. I get that. Now, Dodd's going to keep a diary in prison. And it's going to come up a lot. But in the diary, he wrote that he was emotionally and physically abused by his father, often neglected in favor of his younger siblings. So this is in direct contrast to what he said in interviews. Yeah.

He would later tell psychologists that his mother repeatedly hit him with her fist. Now, this is something that his mom would vehemently deny. Okay. That's rough, man, to be hit with a close fist by your mom. I mean, I've seen some tough moms out there. They can probably level some people. Well, there's no doubt, but, you know, what I'm getting at here is what's the truth? What he wrote in his diaries?

Yeah. That just means he's a liar because if you, if you, your only way you become inconsistent, is if you made it up at some point. I mean, it's the only way that you could be inconsistent because if it was always the truth, you'd say, so what he wrote. Well, one of them's got to be true probably. What's true, yeah.

You still know which one. He doesn't remember because he lied about one of them. So he's always a liar. This guy is a liar. That might be the least bad thing about it as we go on. He's going to be much worse. Yeah, we know that for sure. So his mom denied it.

his younger sister would later say in court documents that none of the kids were ever beaten. They always had food. They had clothes. But it really wasn't a family. They would admit that. There wasn't a lot of love. Now, his younger brother Gregory described Wesley as a nerd, his words. And the two of them, they're about 11 months apart, Gibbs.

They bathed together up until the time Wesley was about seven. They slept together until Wesley was a nerd. about 10. I don't think there's anything all that strange about that. I think a lot of siblings, you know, sleep together, take baths together up to a certain point. Yeah, I mean, there's a certain age that you might want to stop that. There has been some question about sexual conduct with his brother, but Wesley has always denied that. But it's really around the age of 10 that we start to see some of the really scary signs from Wesley Dodd. He tried to expose himself to a six-year-old neighbor girl.

She refused to look. And he would later say that this was one of the moments that he remembered from his childhood when he began preferring boys over girls. He was picked on in school. He was small for his age. And I think the kids noticed that he had more interest in boys than girls. So that played a part in some of the teasing, some of the bullying that he received. So I mentioned the one incident at 10.

But then you get to age 13, 14. And this is where he really ramps up. He starts exposing himself to children around his neighborhood, children from his school. Now, I think a lot of stuff happened between this time frame. So before the age of 13, there's not a lot of information out there. Now, in his diary, he writes that at age eight, he tried to lure a boy into an empty building with the intention of molesting him. So again, this is going to be one of those where it's hard to know what's true in every

instance. But he did write this in his diary. And you can probably make the leap that he did some pretty bad things that were maybe undocumented before the age of 10 and 13 when some of the things are known to be true. But he was caught around the age of 13, you know, exposing himself to other kids, but he didn't really suffer any consequences. And this is something that's going to reoccur. It's going to happen frequently.

And these are the ones Gibbs. I know that drive you crazy. When you see, you're going to see this pattern of behavior and you're going to find out that people knew about it and really not much at all was done. So he's exposing himself and he's getting some type of thrill out of this behavior. But eventually he's not getting the same type of thrill. Right? We've talked about that.

You continue to do something time after time, whether it's smoking. drugs, whatever type of behavior it is, eventually you don't get the same type of feeling that you did in the beginning. And he changes up. He starts molesting in his words to get back that excitement. And this would include his sister's 10 year old friend, two of his cousins. He snuck into his sister's room while she was sleeping, pulled down her pants. But, you know, he's. He snuck into his sister's room while she was sleeping. but she woke up and pushed him away before he could do anything more. But she never told her parents about what happened. And some of the facts, Gibbs, that would come out about him in his younger years,

you know, apparently he would let his dog lick him. Lick his ass. Yeah. In very, I was going to say in various places, but I like where you went with it. Yeah. Because that's, that was one of the places. Yeah. And he said he enjoyed it.

And that's why he did it. Well. But that wasn't it. That gets worse. It does get worse. He would rub, you know, feces on his penis. Right there should be, that's gross. That is gross.

But he did it because he wanted his dog to come up and lick it off of his penis. Right. That's... I've never heard of that in my entire life. How do you even get to that point, like, to figure that out? I've heard jokes about peanut butter and things like that. Yeah. Well, that's the news of me.

too, man. What kind of world you live in? You've heard jokes. They say it in movies. You've heard it. Don't act like you haven't heard it. I've never heard of this. But apparently the dog bit him one time on the penis. But this was all sexual. I mean, he would masturbate during these acts with his dog. Now, one thing that Wesley says is that he witnessed a lot of violent fights between his parents. In 1976, Wesley was 15 years old when his father attempted suicide following an argument with his mom. And his parents would divorce that same year. So you go back to his diary because a lot of the information comes out of that. He didn't have a close relationship with his parents.

He didn't have a close relationship with his siblings or anybody else for that matter. I don't think he had a lot of friends. And it was around this age of 15 that he started to expose himself in a different way. So he would get on his bike. He would ride around the neighborhood looking for groups of kids, boys, girls, didn't matter. And he would drive by with his junk hanging out of his zipper. Okay. And apparently he would yell, hey, whatever.

he had to say to get their attention, he was trying to shock them by exposing himself. Hey, look over here. Yeah, something like that. What's flopping around. I chose the word, hey, but. Yeah. But again, it wasn't just the exposing. He was molesting other kids.

In his diary, he writes about the fact that he was able to get a large number of kids to go with him. He would expose himself. He would molest them. He molested kids that he babysat. Apparently, he molested the children of a woman that his dad had begun dating after his parents' divorce. He was just everywhere, wasn't he? I mean, this was, yeah, I'm saying it like it happened every now and now.

This was a constant thing. And people were turning him in for this behavior time and time again. But just snaps on the wrist? Yeah, well, I mean. He obviously is a minor, but still, this is not normal behavior. But everybody is chalking it up like it's just, you know, hey, he's a kid. He doesn't mean anything. You know, they would tell his parents he needed counseling.

He needed help, which he did, but he's not going to get it. Now, years later, his dad would say in an interview with the Orgonian newspaper that he was aware of Wesley's behavior. but he looked the other way because in his words, you know, he was a good kid. He never had problems with drugs. He didn't drink.

He didn't smoke. He wasn't doing those type of things. He was doing some things that, you know, are way worse. You know, he was arrested for indecent exposure at the age of 15. But the police said, hey, you know,

get some counseling. Which again, he's not going to get any of that. No. And as the years go by, he's going to be arrested many more times for, you know, these type of actions, exposure, inappropriate touching, molestation, all kinds of different things. But again, there's never going to be any type of serious action taken by law enforcement.

Now, as he gets older into like age 20, he's an adult now. He's no longer a kid. He starts molesting kids that he doesn't know. He tried to abduct two little girls, but they escaped and they reported him to police. I mean, I'm sure through their parents, but he got reported to police. Again, Gives, he's 20 years old now and they don't do anything to him. So this pattern starts to emerge, right? He gets arrested, but these judges don't send him to jail for long periods of time.

So even when he does some little stretch of time, it's very, very short. You know, it's always a little bit of time, get treatment, and the fact that he's standing before the judge saying, hey, I'm never going to do this again. And they're believing him. In 1981, Dodd enlisted in the Navy, and he got assigned to a submarine base in Bangor, Washington. Now, the Navy had no knowledge of his juvenile sex offenses. And it was there that he started abusing children who lived on the base. He once offered $50 to some boys to come to a motel room with him for a game of strip poker.

And again, he gets reported for this. He gets arrested for this. He even confessed to police that it was his plan to molest these boys. But he gets released. No charges are filed against him. And very shortly after that, he's arrested again. for exposing himself to a young boy. Now, he gets discharged from the Navy over that,

but no criminal charges are filed. So again, Gibbs, like you said, this is, I mean, it's just constant, right? He's not stopping. He's not even slowing down. Nope. But where's the roadblock in his way to slow him down? Right? He's getting away with everything that he's doing.

I think for that when he spent something like 19 days in jail. 19 days. I mean, what is that? What kind of, what kind of deterrent is 19 days? Now, personally, I don't want to spend 19 days in jail, but to me, exposing yourself to a young boy as a 21, 22 year old man, that's, that's serious behavior that deserves more than 19 days and some counseling. All right, Gibbs, let's take a quick break to talk about simply safe. You and I've talked about it before. We, love this product. And one of the reasons is that SimplySafe puts an amazing level of detail into everything they do. I think this is what sets them apart from other security companies. The system is designed so well, you'll never notice it. You never have to think about it. It's easy. It's intuitive. There's no contract. SimplySafe works hard every day to earn your business. And they don't settle for the typical. They want to make sure that everything that they put out is

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That's simplysafe.com slash teacat. Simplysafe.com slash TECat. So now we fast forward to May of 1984. Dodd is arrested for molesting a 10-year-old boy in Idaho. Now this time, the judge sentences him to 10. years, which you would think, okay, I'm not even sure that's long enough, but it's a hell of a lot longer than anything anybody else has been giving him. But then the judge turns around and he commutes the sentence to four months on one condition that Dodd attends counseling.

Now, later on, the judge is going to say that he was not aware of any of Wesley's past history and that he based his decision on the fact that he made a good impression on him, standing in front of him in the courtroom. But how do you go from giving a guy a 10-year sentence to all of a sudden saying, you know what, bringing that down to four months? Yeah. Go do some counseling. And the fact is Dodd planned his whole life around finding what he called easy targets.

I'm using my air quotes, Gibbs. I see that. But this is what he called children. He called children easy targets. This guy's a very sick individual. Extremely sick. And obviously it's going to get much worse. He moved into an apartment block specifically based on the fact that this was a block

where a lot of families with young children lived. I mean, he's not out just cruising around. looking for victims. He's basing his housing choices on how many kids live in the area, live in the neighborhood, live on that street. He held odd jobs at times. He worked at fast food restaurants. He worked as a truck driver. But during this whole time, he is repeatedly molesting preschool-aged kids of a neighbor. Preschool. Now, this woman that was his neighbor found out about it, but she didn't want to press charges because she feared that it would be traumatic for her boys. These were two boys. I think you and I have talked about that before.

You know, the choice that somebody has to make. Whether it's pressing charges or testifying against somebody, you know, weighing that, that fear of something versus, you know, could you stop this person from doing something in the future. So we know that he's been molesting kids for quite a number of years. But his sexual fantasies become violent. You know, he writes in his diary about having these fantasies of eating the genitals of his victims, performing experimental surgeries on them. And this is kind of Dahmer-esque.

He talks in the diary about wanting to turn victims into zombies that would do, you know, anything that he wanted them to do. That's, that's, uh, it's just like Dahmer. Yeah, it is. Except these are kids. His fantasies involve kids. A psychiatrist who evaluated him after one of his many convictions, he's been, he was convicted a bunch of times.

He just never did any serious time. The psychiatrist diagnosed him as a sexual psychopath. In 1987, he's about 26 years old at this point in time. He tried to lure a young boy into a vacant building, but the boy wouldn't go with him. And instead, you know, told his parents who alerted police, but again, very minimal punishment. Now, later on, Dodd would say that he had planned to rape and kill this boy. But a charge of attempted kidnapping got reduced to a charge. of attempted and decent liberties.

And this was despite him being evaluated prior to sentencing and the report that was made on him called him a threat to the community. Now, it was said that a big reason why this was reduced was that he hadn't actually touched this boy. He hadn't exposed himself. So I guess Gibbs, they're saying he didn't actually kidnap this boy. He tried to. but they couldn't, maybe they couldn't prove that he actually tried to.

Yeah. Because he didn't get that far. Still sick. It is sick. Because if he could have, again, according to him, he would have, you know, sexually assaulted this boy and killed him. Yeah. But what gets me about this one is that unlike some of the other cases, the prosecutors in

this case, they were very aware of his past sexual offenses and convictions. and they recommended five years in prison. But he got a whopping 118 days. Well, I don't know what he got. That's how much time he spent in jail. And then he got probation. Again, after a promise by Dodd that he would go to treatment and get counseling. But after he does this 118 days in jail, he moved to Vancouver, Washington,

which is just across the river from Portland, Oregon. worked a series of odd jobs. He was a shipping clerk. And he did start to go to therapy. But he didn't go for very long. And he left this therapy and immediately began stalking, targeting children at local parks. So we're up to the fall of 1989. Dodds in Vancouver, Washington.

And he picks out this local park. It's called David Douglas Park. as in his mind a great place to find potential victims. And he's stalking kids at this park and committing, you know, indecent acts against kids. Now, over the next few years, he would be arrested a number of times for molesting children. But every time he is given a very short jail sentence and some type of court-mandated

therapy. I just can't believe at this point. He's not a kid. The guy's almost 30 years old. His past has to follow him, right, Gibbs? You would think. I just can't believe that judges aren't looking at this and saying, this guy's incorrigible. He is not going to turn his life around. He keeps doing the same thing. Yeah. And it's almost like they're allowing him by letting him do these very short stents in jail. And his thought gives that he had over 50 victims. Can't even fathom, man. All below the age of 12 years old.

Most of his victims were boys. Now, I'm with you. I can't imagine it. And at the same time, it pisses me off. Yeah. That not just the fact that he did it, obviously that pisses me out, but that he was allowed to continue because that's the way it makes me feel. You know, or, you know, as you do the research,

you really get the sense that this guy should have been put away much, much earlier. He shouldn't have been allowed to keep getting out and just to go back to do the same thing, to find another victim time after time. And it would be on September 4th, 1989. Wesley Dodd would lure two brothers, 10-year-old William Neer, and 11-year-old Cole near to a secluded area. Forced them to undress, he tied them to a tree,

and he sexually assaulted them. But this is when he would commit his first murders, because he stabbed both of them repeatedly with a knife. And he would later say, Gibbs, that as he was doing it, one of the boys was shouting, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

Dodd fled the scene, but the boys were discovered soon after that in the park. Colnir was dead. when he was discovered and his brother William died on the way to the hospital. So Wesley Dodd killed these two brothers, but he's not going to stop, right? He didn't stop with the exposure. He didn't stop with the molestation. Now he's elevated to murder.

He's not going to stop there either because it's just on October 29th that he finds a four-year-old boy named Lee Eisley. and his nine-year-old brother Justin at a park in Portland. And he finds Lee playing alone, his brother's not with him right there, and Dodd is able to convince this boy to come with him. And he takes this boy back to his apartment in Vancouver. So yeah, like Mike said, Dodd takes Lee back to his apartment.

He then asked Lee to undress. He ties Lee to his bed. and then unfortunately makes things even worse. He begins to molest him. And during all this, he's taking pictures. He ends up keeping Lee overnight while continuously molesting him. I mean, this guy's is sick. This is sick.

And Dodd is keeping a diary at this point as well. And he is notating everything that he's doing. So he's notating in his diary, he's taking pictures. I mean, this is just a sick individual, I mean, to a very high level. Well, and that's why I said in the beginning, Gibbs, he's just pure evil. There's no doubt about it. No, I just, it's gut-wrenching for me. I mean, in the very next morning, when he's all done with his messed up shit that he's doing to this kid,

now he's going to go ahead and strangle the boy with a rope and kills him. But he does it by strangle him and hang him into the closet. I mean, how messed up is that? Not only that, but he photographs him in the closet. Now, Dodd is later going to confess to his crimes. And he's going to tell police that he did not originally plan on killing this boy. But in his words, he decided that he had to because there was no other way to keep him from telling on him about what he had done. He put Lee's nude body in trash bags, threw it in some bushes near Vancouver Lake.

He burned the boy's clothing, except for his underwear. He kept that as a souvenir. Yeah. They found Lee's body three days later, and this sparked a manhunt. As you can only imagine, I mean, this was a four-year-old boy. Somebody's kid, man. And what is he doing during this time? sitting on his ass, keeping a low profile back at his apartment.

But what he's really doing, which drives me crazy, is he's sitting there, planning what he's going to do next, his next victim, and what he's going to do to that victim. I mean, he's just so jacked up in his head, man. Well, at the same time, he's collecting all these newspaper articles that he can find on his crimes. And on top of that, he starts to construct a homemade torture rack for his next victim. I said it Gibbs, he's not going to stop. No, he's always going to take it to another level. Because I don't want to say it's some kind of addiction where you get it and you got to have it again, but you got to have more of it.

But it's what it seems like. It's something. It's something like that. He can't ever be. He's not. satisfied after he does whatever he does that he's got to go to the extreme on the next one. And then he's got to go to the extreme, another extreme level. Now, November 13th, 1989, Dodd abducted a six-year-old boy from the bathroom of a theater in Camas, Washington.

But this boy is fighting him. He's crying. And Dodd's trying to carry this boy. out of the theater while he's kicking and screaming. And obviously the theater employees are suspicious. They don't know what's going on. But once he gets outside, he changes his mind. It's too much. He lets this boy go, gets in his car, and he drives away. Now, the mother comes out, the mother's boyfriend comes out, and they're told that this

boy was almost abducted. So the boyfriend goes nuts and heads off in the direction. that Dodd was seen leaving. And what happened was Dodd's car broke down, not that far away from the theater. So what the boyfriend does is he goes up to the car and he offers to help Dodd with his car situation. But as soon as Dodd gets out of the car, this guy gets him in the headlock and he manhandles him all the way back to the theater.

Good. I'm just, I'm picturing this. I'm like, I'm cheering for this guy. So they call the police. Now later on, the boyfriend, his name's William Graves, he would be awarded money. You know, local newspapers gave him $2,000. A radio station gave him $1,000 from, you know, some giveaway that they were already doing. But they said, no, we're going to give it to this guy instead. a local business gave him $500. I mean, this guy was hailed as a hero, the man that stopped the monster.

And apparently he was unemployed at the time that this happened. And he got like eight job offers. So I don't know if this is a good guy or not gives, but I'm rooting for him. Yeah. Because of what he did. Did something good that day. So the local police,

obviously they're very suspicious of Wesley Dodd. And they contact a task force that is working and investigating the kidnapping and murder of the four-year-old Lee Isley. They questioned Dodd. He denies any involvement in either Isley's death or, you know, the murders of the near brothers. But then they find out that he worked at a factory that was about a mile away from where Lee Isley's body was found.

So that raised their suspicion level even more. more, they hammer him and they eventually get him to confess to all three murders. But it wasn't just the fact that he confessed to the murders. It was the way that he confessed. Seasoned investigators Gibbs would come out later and say that they got sick listening to the details that Dodd was telling them about what he had done. I believe that. I mean, I felt sick just being here going through this.

You know, the research. I get that. I get that. The research, the details are bad enough. But what made it even worse is that as Dodd is telling them the story and the details, they said it was like he relished it. He relished in providing these details of how he hurt these children. It was like somebody telling a story about Christmas morning, but the reverse. Yeah.

It was like he was getting a, uh, he was. reliving the moments and getting some kind of sick getting off on it yeah satisfaction whatever you want to call it they just couldn't believe it they couldn't believe the way that he gave them the details so they got a search warrant for the place where da was living and once they got inside they found the torture rack they found a bunch of newspaper clippings of the crimes. They found the pictures that he had taken. I can't even imagine.

And they found the underwear that belonged to Lee Isley. But on top of that, they found his diary. And remember, he had been writing down all these sick, gruesome details of everything that he had been doing. But it wasn't just that. Inside the diary, he had been writing about. his fantasies of what he wanted to do to future victims. We talked about the fact that he had built this torture rack.

He planned to incorporate that into a future crime. So he had all these sick plans laid out in this diary. So Dodd was charged with two counts of first degree aggravated murder in the stabbing deaths of Cole and William Neer. He was charged with another. count of first degree aggravated murder in the strangulation death of Lee Isley, and state and federal officials, they worked together on this case to figure out how to prosecute Wesley Dodd. And it was decided that he would be charged in state court because federal law had no provision for the

death penalty. They wanted this guy to die. And the only way to get that was for the the state to charge him. He was also charged with first degree attempted murder and first degree attempted kidnapping in the case of the six-year-old boy at the movie theater. During the trial in Clark County Superior Court, the prosecution said that Wesley Dodd had stalked nearly two dozen kids before settling on his first three victims. They read aloud from his diary, They showed the jury the horrible photos of Lee Isley. So you imagine Gibbs what these jurors went through in this trial. They had to sit and listen to every sort of detail, every act that Dodd committed against these children, as well as all of his fantasies and his plans that he had to hurt more children.

This would have been a very tough job in this case specifically to be a juror. And the defense was up against it. You know, they didn't call any witnesses. They didn't present any evidence. They basically stuck to the plan of saying that Dodd was legally insane. I mean, what else could they do, Gibbs? I mean, they had so much evidence mounted up against them. Right.

This was an open and shut case, if you could ever call a case open and shut. But what came out was that Wesley Dodd wanted the death penalty. They were going after the death penalty against him. And he came out and said he wanted it. He wanted to die. He pleaded guilty stating that it was part of his plan to keep from killing again. And this is why this case is so strange. to me. It's a horrible monster, did horrible things to kids, and he never would have stopped on his

own. But once he got caught, he wanted the state to kill him, at least this is what he said, because he didn't want to hurt any more children. But he knew he would. What would be your intention if you're forced to live in prison? Do everything I can to escape. And if necessary, kill prison guards on the way out. And I'll go right back to doing what I did before as soon as I hit the streets. Which is what? Kill kids. Kill and rape kids.

Yes. So you should be executed for the safety of others. Yes. So that's Dodd talking to the judge. He's saying, I'll kill guards. I'll do whatever I have to do to get out. And when I do get out, I'm going to do it all again. I'm going to do all the bad stuff I was doing.

Every reason I'm here, I'm going to go back right to it. So you better kill me now or are you taking that chance? Yeah. Now, one thing that Dodd did was he talked to the. media a lot while he was in prison. And he told a newspaper reporter before they actually sentenced him that, you know, he expected to get to death penalty, but he said, I can't go back on the streets again. I'd like to say I'd never do anything like that again, but I can't trust myself. And he didn't offer up any mitigating evidence during the penalty phase, the sentencing, because as he put it,

that was an excuse. And he didn't want to make any excuses. And this is what he said. It doesn't really matter why the crimes happened. I should be punished to the full extent of the law, as should all sex offenders and murderers. So Dodd was sentenced to death in 1990 for stabbing to death brothers Cole and William Neer in 1989, as well as for the rape and murder of Lee Isley. And I want to play this interview that that Dodd did. Why do you want to be executed? I have to be.

I will kill again. I would do it again. I've been molesting kids nonstop since I was 13 years old, over half my life. Anything happened. I can guarantee I'd do it again. And sooner or later, I would kill another child. I've done it before.

And at the time, I liked it. says that if he ever escapes from prison, there is someone in particular that he will be out to kill. I'm not going to say who, but there is somebody out there. There's a man out there. There's a man. Yeah. Someone related to you the case that got you in prison in the first place? Not directly, no. But it's something that you know that you're going to do or you plan to do, you want to do. Yeah. Did your execution do any good? I think it would.

I think a few child molesters anyway are going to think twice before they do anything again. How do you live with yourself daily? At times it's not easy. I said there's times I think about what I've done. I think about some of the things the boys said before they died, and that's real hard to think about. What do you make of it? He's trying to get a little emotional there, but it's too little too late, you know?

I mean, he knows what he did. He's sick. He can't stop. himself. Like he said, he'll be right back on the street doing it again. So. Yeah, I believe that. I don't think there's any doubt about that, that he's being honest about that part. But I do think, you know, he knows he needs to die because he will try to do everything to get out. So, you know, maybe just go ahead, let him throw his own switch, you know, just let him do it, get it over with. I mean, I know there's people who hate the death penalty, but this is one

time that I don't think anybody would disagree. This guy's got to go. Yeah, there's always people that are going to disagree no matter what circumstance, but, I mean, if there's ever anybody that deserve the death penalty, oh, he does. He does, unless you're just so staunchly against it. So something really strange happened while Dodd was in prison. He wrote a pamphlet designed for kids. In this pamphlet, he tries to tell young boys and girls how to avoid becoming victims of a pedophile like himself. And apparently Gibbs, it's written so kids can understand in very simple language. But again, I don't know what to make of that either. How is a guy like this doing something for the good of kids if he is?

or is he somehow getting some strange thrill out of this as well? I just don't know how a guy that has had so many young victims all of a sudden now is trying to help kids. Yeah, unless he's trying to get right with the man above. I don't know. At a last minute stretch. You know, on top of that, he cooperated with some of the families of his victims in a lawsuit, against some of the municipalities and the entities that let him get away with so many things.

And he's quoted as saying, I think state agency should be held accountable for their incompetence. If you add up all the prison time I was given, but never made to serve, I'd be in prison until 2006. And those boys would still be alive. Well, I mean, we talk about this all the time. about the short sentences. Yeah. I mean, it's...

And I know it's something that you and I get riled up about, but I don't think he's wrong about that. Now, he's still the one that killed them. Yeah. I mean, no doubt if he was in prison, he couldn't do what he did, you know, because he's locked up. But we don't know.

He says that, but, you know, he said earlier that he would try to escape. So who says he wouldn't try to escape back then when they put him away for the total length of time? Oh, I'm sure he would have. Sure he would have. And he would have killed and molested and all the other stuff. If he could have escaped.

Yeah, it can be done. I see an escape plan. I know you have because you've talked about it. Yeah. On more than one occasion. I don't know. For a movie that I don't think is very good, you seem to talk about it a lot. How can't you say it's not a very good movie?

Because I don't think it is. It's not a bad movie. It's entertaining. Maybe. I think that's a stretch. For you, I think you're easily entertained. I can't be sometimes. I think that's why.

really what it comes down to. You know, in 1990 when he was sentenced, it's when some of the sex offender laws started to get tougher. Some of the registrations started to get more, what's the word Gibbs? Restrictive or, you know, to be strengthened, bolstered. Bolstered, yeah. You like that word bolstered? I got some bolster. I don't, no, that's not how you use it. That's how I'm using it right now. Bullstered. And there was some legislation. that allowed states to lock up repeat offenders even after they had served their time on the grounds that they posed at a high risk of attacking again. So it was some type of legislation that let states keep convicted sex offenders in jail for longer periods of time, that they felt posed a significant risk to the community. And I'm not saying all this was directly related to Wesley.

died, but a lot of it started happening around, you know, the time that he was sentenced. And then you get to his execution. And we always talk about, you know, how long it takes to execute somebody and what the right amount of time is, right? With the false confessions and people getting exonerated with DNA and things like that, it took less from four years from the time that he committed the murders to the time that he was executed. Now, number one, he refused to make any appeals. He kept telling everybody that would listen in the legal system that he would kill again, as you heard in some of the interviews, and he told judge after judge that, you know,

if I'm not executed and I do escape, I will kill and rape again, and I'll enjoy every minute of it. You talked about the death penalty gives, and we know there are people that are opposed to it. there were people that were opposed to it in this case as well. There were anti-death penalty groups who, you know, were fighting to save the life of Wesley Dodd. That's what they believed in. But he came out and said that they should be charged as co-conspirators in his next crime, meaning, you know, if he wasn't executed and he did escape and he did kill somebody,

it would be on their hands. I don't agree with that, but that's, that's, that's, those were his words. Right. So by Washington state law, Dodd had a choice between two methods for his execution. He could choose lethal injection or he could choose hanging. And he chose hanging. And like we said, nobody had been hanged in the United States at this point in like 28 years, I think we said. In an interview, he told a reporter that he chose that method because that's the way that Lee Isley died. I don't know what I believe of the things that come out of his mouth. But that's what he said.

His execution was witnessed by 12 members of the media. Prison officials. There were representatives of families of the three victims. His last meal was salmon and potatoes. And his last words, as reported by some of the media that were there, were, I was once asked by somebody, I don't remember who, if there was any way sex offenders could be stopped. I said no. I was wrong. I was wrong when I said there was no hope, no peace. There is hope. There is peace. I found both in the Lord, Jesus Christ, look to the Lord and you will find peace. Dodd was hanged at 12.5 a.m. on January 5th, 1993 at Washington State Penitentiary in Walla Walla. He was pronounced dead by the prison doctor and his body was taken to Seattle for autopsy. The medical examiner found that Dodd had died quickly, probably with little pain.

I'd been okay if there was a little bit more pain. There's a lot of people outside the prison when Dodd was. executed. So apparently there were about 150 people cheering after his death was announced. Letting fireworks off and everything, man. Yep. Fireworks, waving sparklers. There was another group of about 50 people that opposed the death penalty. And they had a candlelight vigil. They prayed while he was put to death. But ultimately, Dodd was cremated and his ashes were given to his family. All right. And that's the end of Wesley Dodd. Good.

Good. It was a tough one. It was a tough one. No doubt about it. Yeah. I mean, the guy was a monster. He did some horrific things. I just go back to the fact, Gibbs, that I do feel like in some of these instances, the system didn't work.

I'm not saying in every instance, I'm sure there was times where they couldn't give him that much or as much as they wanted to. or whatever it was, but you go back to the fact he was given a 10 year sentence at one point. Yeah. Ended up doing four months. Like you said, if he would have got full everything,

he would have been in prison to 2026 back then, you know. Well, it just tells you how much time he got out of. Yeah. Because you figure he died in 1993. Now, nobody ever does the maximum in all those little sentences,

but he would have done considerable time. time. It still doesn't mean he wouldn't have gotten out and done something horrible. But maybe less victims would have been had. Maybe. I don't know. I just, and maybe I'm asking too much from the system. But that's it. That is the case of Wesley Allen Dodd. Got some voicemails, Gibbs. I think if we ever needed them, we need them now. Let's do it. Hi, Mike and Gibby. This is Emily from Chicago, Illinois. And I am calling to Wolfert's apologize from how offered me first message was, the second we got to talk about something important,

and that is polygraph. And why polygraphs are absolute bullshit? Because people want to call them lie detectors, but there is no machine, there's no process on earth that can tell if you're lying based on hooking you up to some machine. It doesn't exist.

What polygraphs actually measured is basically your vital sign. Your heart rate, you're breathing, how much you sweat, because the theory is if you're nervous and you're sweating, shaking, you're not at a normal, calm baseline, you're lying. So that's how you get all these spouses that don't pass polygraphs and how you get all these fagopaths that do pass polygraph. It's an emotion machine. It's not a lie detector. They don't help anybody. It's just one of those CSI tools that people look for because they

believe in it for the Hollywood magic. So I hope this was. educational for you and I hope you guys have a fantastic thank you for everything you do on the podcast keeps me super entertained as I drive everywhere that's all I had for you guys today

so thank you so much keep up the good work and keep your own time taking all right thanks for the voicemail we appreciate it Gibbs you think you could beat a polygraph I know the best polygraph out there light detector person would be a mom bring your mom

men. Moms know. They know when you're lying. Moms do. Yeah. It's hard to, it's hard to get past the mom. But do you think you yourself could beat one? I have. I mean, could I. I don't think I could. I could. I, um, I sometimes have trouble controlling my emotions. Yeah. Controlling my nerves. Just use it in reverse. I'll break out in like a flop sweat sometimes when I, when I get put in a tough situation. Use it in reverse, man. You sit in reverse. Yeah. I don't even know. what that means. Then you won't, you can't beat it.

If you don't know what that means, you won't ever beat it. Hopefully I'll never be in that position. But, uh, Hey, Mike and Gibby. This is Colleen from Follick City, Utah. I listen to your podcast. I love you guys. I've currently listened to episode 86 on true crime all the time and just died laughing when we,

uh, when Mike Gibby started to talk about, Tonya dancer. Don't feel so bad, buddy. I thought it was last day in the fifth. So, uh, keep up the good work,

you guys and keep your own time. Tudition. Bye-bye. We got a lot of mileage out of that Tanya dancer. Ah, man. What can I say? Not much, really. I really can't at this point. I commute about four hours a day, so to two of my buddies, except none of my buddies want to talk about what I like to tell to you guys,

and I get your humor, and I laugh out loud, and I'm sure people think that lady's nuts when they see me laughing in the car. anyway thank you so much for such a great podcast please keep it going and like you say keep your own time ticking bye all right that was a great voicemail it was we appreciate that she's got a tough job man she does she does now she touched on the humor right this episode very tough yeah it was it's kind of hard for me to be too funny to find yeah find points of levity and it was just such a The subject matter was not one that you could find too many places, right, to interject. Hi, Mike and Gibby.

This is Shelby from Dayton, Ohio. I was listening to the BTK Part 2 when Gibby had actually mentioned that he lived in Huber and the guy across the street had murdered his family. And I immediately had to pull over the car and call your voicemail, because I lived on that same street, and I knew that family because I was friends with the daughter. So it was so weird for me to be, like, driving down the street and listen to this very popular podcast of people talk about. And I, like, apparently lived on the same street as Givis. So that is, like, my connection to you guys, besides the fact that I also lived in Dayton, Ohio, and I live in Lexington.

But you guys totally filled the void when I had to drive to and from multiple times. for interviews, and I just love Mike's voice. Like, there's something so soothing about it. So I love you guys and keep doing what you're doing. You're doing great things. So stay safe and keep your own time ticking. Bye. You do have a soothing voice.

It's very soothing, I guess. I don't know. Super soothing. My wife doesn't think so. She says my voice is soothing. Does she? In those small moments where... Small moments when I say, can I have another helping of that lasagna there, please?

Thank you very much. No, but how about that? You guys probably lived on the same street. Just down the road. You're just lucky that she didn't have some kind of embarrassing story. Yeah, and by the way, Gibby was that one that was always out in his really short shorts, tube socks, and a half-crop shirt cutting his grass. And one day he bent over and split his pants. his pants because he needed some husky shorts but he didn't have them on all right that's funny though

but now she lives in lexington yeah you know obviously one of my favorite places probably a uk fan i don't know i don't think she's i don't know how long she's lived there but if she's not now i was going to say they brainwash it pretty fast you get brainwashed pretty fast down there for sure all right gibbs let's dip into the mail bag real quick yeah we had um todd hoover from Indiana sent me a bunch of Harley chips. Yeah, you did. He sent you a die. I do. I got a die. Wait a minute. I didn't like to wear that sound. No, that sounded funny. You don't have to die. No, I don't want to die. Don't let me die. But I got a dice. A die, a dice. Yeah. And he also sent us some beef jerky. Yeah, he also sent us some beef jerky. That was pretty good. And you and I were

talking about it before the show. We like jerky. We like beef jerky. Yeah. I like beef jerky. You just like jerky. I like beef jerky. If there is, if anybody's thinking about, man, you know, I'd like to send something, but I don't want to send a chip. Hey, beef jerky always works from your neck of the woods. We like to try it from different places. You got it. And then Pete McCray from what I believe is Cockatoo Australia. Cacotoo. Sent Gibby a book of Ozisms. Oh, you did. Australian sayings. Good stuff, mate. He's hoping that Ghibi can, it's not going to improve the accent, has never to do with that. I still read it, Ma'am.

That was Jamaican. It's still an island, man. But I think what he's hoping is that as you're doing the Australian accent, you're going to have some actual, like, Aussie phrases that you can use. So you can stop saying Mon and shrimp on the Barbie, like you're drinking a red stripe. Yeah. Nothing wrong with red stripe. Do what? Nothing wrong with the red stripe.

No, there's nothing wrong with it. You're just in the wrong damn country. It's what I'm telling you. Shift over a little bit, up or down the road. Up down the road. Yeah. You always say that down the road. All right.

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