True Crime with Kimbyr - Part 2: Catfished to Kill: A Best Friend's Betrayal Leads to Murder - The Chilling Case of Cynthia Hoffman

Episode Date: November 5, 2025

In Part 2 of True Crime with Kimbyr, Kimbyrleigha takes you deeper into the shocking aftermath of Cynthia Hoffman’s murder. As investigators uncover disturbing messages, hidden motives, and shocking confessions, the horrifying truth behind the catfishing plot finally comes to light. Who masterminded this deadly deception — and why? Kimbyrleigha breaks down the court proceedings, emotional testimonies, and the chilling psychology of betrayal that left a family shattered and a nation stunned. This follow-up episode exposes the darkness lurking behind screens and the devastating cost of misplaced trust. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

When in reality, a girl is dead, but she let her followers know that if they were wondering what happened, she's not responsible. She did not shoot her best friend. She wanted to make that clear. Look, so for all of you who are asking what really happened, I did not shoot her. Her explanation is that she was actually held at gunpoint. Honestly, I was held at gunpoint and told her to do whatever these. He says and I'll live. Which is a deviation from what she told the investigators. Now she's spinning a narrative that she's the victim.

Um, okay, but you could have called the police afterward. And then she went on to say that she was so upset that Kaden, the Trigger Man, was getting out on bail. But she's sitting there with her independence still intact. I just heard that evidently, Caden Brian McIntosh, the guy that shot my best friend in front of me and all y'all hate her saying that I was involved in it, just got out on bail. But the way she explained it was that this person killed her best friend right in front of her. Then she goes on to say that she's scared. because Caden is getting out and he can hurt her. And then you kind of hear her mom in the background saying,

I have guns. I'm actually kind of scared. I have guns. I know you have guns, Mom, but still. And I don't want to die before I can testify against the mother who killed my friend. I guess the apple doesn't fall that far from the tree, does it? And don't think that I'm being super judgmental. I mean, I am judging.

I will say that. But you have to remember, this is the woman. whose boyfriend allegedly killed one of her newborn babies, the mother who had her child taken away from her because all that was going on in her household. So I think it's safe to say it wasn't a very nurturing environment. But Denali went on to explain, no, it's not that I just don't want to die before I can testify against this bleep who killed my best friend. Now, I want to give her some credit for weaving this narrative because when you hear how it actually happens, I don't think you're going to be able to have even a tiny ounce of sympathy.

Not that you already did at all. All y'all saying that I'm fake, and that I had something to do with it, and that I used her and that he was my boyfriend. That I'm dating somebody else. Then she comes back onto Snapchat later. Her voice is calm. There's a guy walking around in the background

and she says that she's sorry, that she didn't mean to do it. She's trying to seem remorseful. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to do it. I didn't mean to do it. However, the disturbing discoveries did not stop there. As investigators examined Denali's phone more thoroughly,

they uncovered a string of disturbing messages and exchanges between Denali and a person named Tyler and a video and photos of the actual attack on Cynthia, as in while it was going on, while she was being duct taped. And it didn't look as innocent as Denali had initially said it was, especially because it seemed there was some kind of second motive to it. Yeah, like a sick fantasy being carried out for this Tyler person.

From the messages it appeared that Danali had been corresponding with this guy Tyler for months. He appeared to live in Kansas and met Danali on a dating site where they began a somewhat, I want to categorize it as a romantic type relationship, but it seemed to center around Denali offering pictures of herself for cash and Tyler seeking out this sort of arrangement. Well, they were both seeking out these sort of arrangements. It was part of how Donali paid for things like substances, which she also sold. So she was selling drugs and her body. Not just online through pictures and videos.

Think only fans except confined to messages, not a website, but she was also meeting men in person. And eventually, that's how she became pregnant at 18 from one of those encounters. And it got her deeper and deeper into taking more substances, eventually graduating to harder and more illicit ones. Hence, the reason why she said she had to carry a firearm, because she said it was a very risky business. It started with a message. A simple flirty DM. Hey, beautiful. Denali was used to attention.

She was bold, loud, the kind of girl who always had a new guy texting her. But this one was different because Tyler was rich. Crazy rich. I told you Cynthia had witnessed her friend giggling and glued to her phone. It was Tyler she was talking to. His profile picture, remember, it showed a handsome guy standing in front of a sleek sports car looking like something out of a Hollywood movie. And he acted obsessed with Denali, the classic love bombing, you know, the sort of like,

you're so special and never met a girl like you, I want to take care of you. It was the kind of fairy tale that some teenage girls secretly dream about, a prince charming to sweep them off their feet. And Danali just ate it up. Because Tyler wasn't just promising her love, he was promising her money. And it started small. That's how these predators manipulate. It started more transactional, but soon he was acting like he was in love with Denali,

hoping that she would be willing to do more and more and more for him. And the money was good. Any money was good for Denali, especially when she didn't have to physically become involved with these men. Sending pictures seem so benign to some people. a bikini picture here, a foot picture there. More clothing would come off. The stakes would get even higher. The picture is more explicit,

but Danali still felt somewhat safe doing all this, especially when Tyler would call her as queen. It made her believe that she was in a special exclusive relationship with him. And of course, the money he would send through PayPal didn't hurt. And sure, Denali had her suspicions that Tyler wasn't exactly who he said he was. There were little things like his name on the dating site was, not Tyler, but she also went by different names. So it wasn't really a red flag. Even when Tyler started to ask Denali for more and more twisted and perverted things,

she didn't think it was that odd because she had been asked for weird things from men before, which is actually sad, especially considering how young this girl was, plus the money that he would send increased. It became more and more when she was willing to do something more and more intense. It was more money than she was used to seeing, so she was eager to please. But Denali wasn't just some innocent girl in all this. She was also pretending to love Tyler to get more and more of his money, so it was like almost a double catfish. The thing is, there was no Tyler, and there was no Hayden. Instead, behind the screen, in a cramped bedroom in New Southbury, Indiana, sat a 21-year-old nobody named Dian.

Darren, Shell Miller. There was no sports car, no private jets, no million dollar bank accounts, just a manipulated predator sitting in his grandparents' house just pulling strings like a puppeteer. It wasn't even his picture that he used on these dating apps. Of course it wasn't. Nothing was real. And this wasn't the first time Darren had done this. He spent years pretending to be someone else online, catfishing women luring them in, seeing how far he could push them. One woman thought she was talking to a celebrity. Another thought they had landed their dream job. A girl in California?

He tricked her to sending him explicit photos only to ghost her. And what I didn't tell you right away was that when Donali's mom was questioned, she said one reason she didn't believe what her daughter was saying was because Denali mentioned this Tyler person and how it was all connected to this millionaire. It was just a lot for her to take in. Even as I'm retelling it to you, it's a lot.

Darren knew exactly how to manipulate people. With Denali, he was playing the long game. First, he loved bombed her, told her she was beautiful, made her feel wanted, important, and powerful, and kept her addicted to his attention. Then he isolated her. No one understands you, he would say, I'm the only person that really loves you.

Would your friends do what I do for you? And finally, he made a demand. It was supposed to be a test of her loyalty. something no normal person would ever agree to. Things that honestly made my stomach turn and are so sick, I can't even repeat them. But I'll preview it by saying, he got excited over dirty diapers like huggies, the actual soiled baby diapers. I don't want you to use your imagination because I don't think you could even get to the level of sick that this man was.

This went beyond Danelli's sister. It even included her younger brother. I don't think I need to say more. And I won't. But this time, he wasn't just scamming money and requesting inappropriate things. This time he wanted blood. And Denali was already in too deep. She had fallen in love with a ghost.

He offered her more money for increasingly explicit content, pushing her to take things further and further. One of his more disturbing requests was that she record herself holding someone down or even fighting them in a way that would kind of impress him. And Danali was caught up in the momentum of their relationship. and, of course, the financial benefits, so she complied with this increasingly bizarre demands. Sometimes she would recruit her friends, like Caden and Caleb, promising them money as well. You know, like, let's just pretend I'm fighting you kind of thing.

But when Darren said, kill someone, and I will give you $9 million. She wasn't sure what to think. That was until she looked at her PayPal account and she saw a pending transaction for exactly $9 million. She thought he was being serious. I have the actual screenshot of this, and I couldn't help but think, Really? She really thought that you could one, even send $9 million over PayPal, or that someone actually would? But I guess Darren had sent her money before. So at first, it seemed like a joke. But I'm like, kill someone. Again, these jokes, like, that's insane. Why would that be a joke? but Darren kept pushing.

Like, think the life we'll have together. We'll be rich. I just need to know that I can trust you. Danali started thinking about it. Kill a random person and get rich. Her greed was strong. And she said yes. But it wasn't that easy.

Darren didn't just want someone dead. It was a sick fantasy. There were conditions. Of course, she had to document it. That was one. But she also had to do perverse things, and it became obvious that Darren wanted a female victim. So Denali made a decision.

It would be Cynthia. Because Cynthia loved her. Cynthia trusted her. Cynthia wouldn't fight back. The second Danali chose Cynthia, her fate was sealed. Danali wasn't going to do this alone, though. She needed help. She turned to her inner circle.

The reckless teens, all looking for excitement, and the first person she recruited was Caden McIntosh. the 16-year-old. I'll split the money with you, she told him. We'll all be millionaires. Because then came Caleb, the 19-year-old who just agreed to lend them his car for the plan. And just like that, a group of teenagers had signed up for a murder for a higher scheme, for money that didn't even exist, and for a random person they probably would never talk to in real life.

There were messages between the three teens outlining their plan. Denali chose the location. Thunderbird Falls. a remote area where no one would hear Cynthia scream. Once their plan was in motion, Danelli sent Darren a message. It's happening. She would tie her friend up,

take photos, and send them to him. And when it was done, Darren would send the money. At least that's what she thought. At this point, Cynthia still had no idea what was coming. She thought that she was going on an adventure with her best friend. She had no idea she was walking into a trap. She didn't know as she laughed.

and made plans for her future that Danali was staring at her knowing that she wouldn't be alive tomorrow. And the scariest part, Denali seemed to feel nothing. No guilt, no hesitation, just excitement because she saw dollar signs. And Cynthia was just a price that she needed to pay. We will never truly know what happened that day. Whether somehow Danali had convinced Cynthia to let her duct taper and gag her, but I doubt she was a willing participant once this poor girl realized, what was happening. Once Danali's phone was all up in her face as she recorded her and took

photo after photo while Cynthia panicked. With each snap of her camera, Denali sent Darren what he asked for. Except as they tried to pull at Cynthia's clothing, she fought back. She twisted against the tape, but Danali and Caden were stronger. It was two against one. This was the girl that Cynthia considered her best friend. Friends don't do this. And for most people, murder would be a moment of panic. Regret. A feeling of, oh my God, what have we done? But for Denali, it was just like another task to complete.

She and Caden calmly walked back to the car. And they drove away like nothing had even happened. And that's approximately the time when she went out of her way to send that now-chilling text to Cynthia's dad. I hope she comes home safely. She's my best friend. when investigators confronted Denali with the truth that the man that she had saved in her phone as babe was Darren Shell Miller. She quickly decided to distance herself from him. Now he wasn't a guy that she loved. He was just a stranger that catfished her into committing a murder.

By June 10th, Darren was arrested in Indiana, but long before Darren's name made headlines, before he orchestrated a murder from behind a screen, there were signs. signs that this man was very dangerous, signs that he was a predator in the making, and the people who crossed paths with him would later look back and realize that he had been like this a long time ago, back in middle school. A girl named Jaden Pohl, who had only been 18 when Darren was arrested, actually came forward to tell police that he would relentlessly ask her for bikini photos. And once, he tried to friend her from a fake profile because she would not comply. Now, as the years went on, and Darren's classmates grew up and had kids of their own, it was known around their small town of only 600 residents that Darren would literally ask

mothers that he knew for images of their children. Why wasn't this reported right away? That's what I kept thinking. Then just a year before the murder in late 2018 or early 2019, a young woman named Cheyenne Arnold was scrolling through Meet Me, which was a dating app meant for casual connections, and she matched with a guy named Austin. He seemed normal at first. The conversation was flirty and lighthearted and harmless until one day Austin dropped a bombshell. He said, I have a personal problem, but I'll only tell you if he'd do something for me first. Cheyenne's stomach was in knots. It was just like something about the way he said it, the secrecy, the pressure, he kind of just felt wrong. And then he told her what he wanted. He told her the request.

And it was sickening. Photos of her changing her children's diapers. And her skin just crawled. She couldn't believe it. She said, no. She shut him down completely. She blocked him and she moved on. But something about that interaction still haunted her.

I mean, of course, that would be haunting for anyone. And again, I'm thinking, why didn't you tell anyone? She said that it was the way that he, like, kind of tested her at first, kind of gauging her reaction, seeing if she would go along with it. And then later, when Cheyenne saw Austin's location, was in her hometown. of Indiana, she got really freaked out. And she confronted him. Only to find out, it was really Darren Schillmiller, an old classmate from high school. Cheyenne took to Facebook and actually shared her experience to warn others about his alarming behavior. So I gave her credit,

she did try to make it public. But soon after this, Darren sent her message. He apologized and he promised he would never, ever make a request like that again. and casino at San Manuel is California's number one entertainment destination for today's superstars. Catch the Jonas Brothers return to the Yamava Theater stage on April 30th, the powerful vocals of Demi Lovato on May 17th, and the signature Southern Country Rock of Eric Church on July 19th. Tickets on sale now at Yamavatheater.com, only at Yamava Resort and Casino, celebrating its 40th anniversary. You in? Must be 21 to enter. But that was a lie.

She had been one of his many experiments. Darren had already been investigated for a CSAM that stemmed from a claim by a California woman that I briefly mentioned earlier. Just a few days after Cheyenne's creepy encounter, another guy named Dylan this time appeared on Meet Me again. It was Darren, using yet another fake identity to reach out to a potential victim. This time the woman went to the police when he made another disgusting request similar to the one I just told. you about. But for some reason, the case was closed with no further action taken, probably because no photos were ever exchanged or obtained. Another woman named Brittany Meek had known Darren for years. They actually dated on and off in high school. But after they broke up, she barely even thought

about him. He was forgettable. He was awkward, he was quiet, just another guy that she used to know. until February of 2019, when Darren just suddenly popped back into her life. It came out of nowhere, a message from Darren's real Facebook account. Hey, how have you been? he asked her, and it seemed harmless at first. They caught up, they exchanged a few casual messages, and Brittany assumed it was just another old ex-boyfriend just checking in. Until Darren said that he had a personal problem, and he really wanted to get over this fetish that he had, and he needed her help.

But just like with Cheyenne, there was a catch. He said, I'll only tell you if you do something for me first. Brittany just felt like this chill go down her spine. She already knew that she didn't want to hear what he was going to request. But then he said it, and she felt sick. He wanted videos of her doing a little changing of, you know, the diapers again. It was disgusting. I can't even imagine this.

She blocked him, deleted everything, and hoped he was gone. But as I said, neither one of these two women came forward, but they only did later after he was arrested. For Brittany, she said she didn't want to come forward because she was actually really afraid, afraid for her own safety, because he had shown violence with her during intercourse in the past. It had been three years since they broken up. And what led her to break up with him was just that, the violence. So that is understandable, but I do realize, you know,

some of these people might not know that they can anonymously report someone. If they have the evidence, you can still make the report, but I guess maybe it would come back to her in the end. On Thursday, June 13th of 2019, just two days after Darren's arrest, the streets of Anchorage were lined with the roar of motorcycle engines. It wasn't just a ride. This was a statement. It was a father's final tribute to his daughter that he lost too soon. Timothy Hoffman had made one request for motorcycle riders to escort Cynthia's Hearst, from the Cremation Society of Alaska to Faith Christian Community Church. And the community answered. Bikers from all over showed up, helmets on, headlight shining, a sea of chrome and leather moving together as one. This wasn't just about saying goodbye. It was about honoring Cynthia's spirit. It was about standing with her father in his fight for justice.

Hundreds of people gathered inside that church, but Timothy didn't want the service to be about grief. Yes, he had lost his daughter, but he wanted people to remember the joy that she brought, the way she laughed too loud, the way she loved without hesitation, the way she saw the world differently, but always with kindness. It wasn't just a memorial, it was a new beginning, a way to keep Cynthia's memory alive. And instead of letting sorrow take over, Timothy made sure that the day was filled with stories and songs and laughter. And after the service, they held a Cinca de Mayo-themed gathering because Cynthia would have wanted it that way. It was a day of remembrance and a day of love. but for Timothy it was also a day of war because this fight wasn't over yet.

While others were grieving, Timothy was planning his next move because the very next morning he had a court hearing. At 8.30 a.m., he would be standing in front of the people who had stolen his daughter's life and he had one mission. He said, excuse my French, but I'm going to send them to hell. I mean, those words weren't even that bad. I was expecting something way worse. But he was strong. He wasn't just a grieving father. He was a man on a mission. And no matter how long it took, he was going to make sure the monsters who did this to his daughter were going to pay. He promised to be there for every legal proceeding, starting with the federal CSAM charges against Aaron in August of 2019, including conspiracy to produce the material, receipt of the material, and distribution, as well as coercion and enticement of a minor, which he of course pled not guilty to.

and then it was the state's turn, the two counts of first-degree murder, and again, he entered a plea of not guilty. During the court appearances, Cynthia Hoffman's family made sure that Darren could not escape the weight of what he had done. They placed a large-frame photo of Cynthia in clear view, a picture that captured her radiance as she stood before a mural, with painted wings behind her making a look as though she was an angel. It was a deliberate choice. Timothy Hoffman wanted Darren to see Cynthia's face. to confront the life that he had stolen, and to remember the devastation he had left behind. Timothy pleaded with the court to deny Darren Bale and not let him have any access to the internet,

fearing what he might do if he was given even the slightest bit of freedom. Timothy clutched a cross necklace that was hanging around his neck, and he explained that it held the physical remains of his daughter, her ashes, carefully sealed inside. That necklace was the memories of laughter, and that's all he had left. As Timothy spoke, Darren just shook his head. But Cynthia's father stood strong. It was everything. It was his grief.

It was his rage and his love for his daughter. And it filled the courtroom. It was standing room only in that courtroom when the girl who lured Cynthia to her death, the boy who pulled the trigger, and the mastermind who ordered it all from behind the screen sat there at the defense table. Donali Bremer, Kaden McIntosh, and Darren Schill Miller. Their heads low, looking nothing like the people they had pretended to be. Denali wasn't a powerful queen. Caden wasn't a fearless shooter.

Darren wasn't a rich mastermind. They were just people who had thrown their lives away. And now they were about to face the consequences. Cynthia's father had waited years for this moment. He stood up. He walked to the witness stand. He looked directly at Denali Bremer and he didn't hold back. He talked about how his daughter was developmentally delayed,

how she saw the world in different ways. She trusted people who didn't deserve her trust. and how Denali was supposed to be her friend, but instead she made her beg for her life. She tied her up like an animal and laughed while she cried. Those were his words. Denali wouldn't look at him.

Darren stared at the table, but Timothy wasn't done. He told them that they stole his baby girl from him, and now he hopes they never see the outside of a prison cell again. The courtroom was completely silent. Caleb Leland, he was sentenced to 30 years for conspiracy to commit murder, he was the one that provided a car. His final words, he claimed he didn't think that they were going to go through with it. Well, unfortunately, conspiracy happens

beforehand. So, still guilty. Then there was Caden McIntosh, the shooter. He pleaded guilty to second-degree murder and he was sentenced to 45 years in prison. In his final words, he claimed that he blocked out and he didn't remember pulling the trigger. Darren Shill Miller. The mastermind behind it all was given 99 years in prison for solicitation to commit murder, an additional 30 years for those CSAM charges with no possibility of parole. His final words, he showed no emotion. He said nothing. And then there was Denali Bremer, the best friend. She also got 99 years in prison for first degree murder and an additional 30 years for the federal CSAM charges. Her final words, were her crying and asking for a second chance. The judge didn't care. Cynthia doesn't get a second

chance. She's gone. And this isn't the last time we're going to hear from Denali because I want you to hear a prison interview that she did in just a moment. But first, there was another tragedy that happened to this poor family. After the trial, Timothy Hoffman refused to let Cynthia be forgotten. And every year, on the anniversary of her murder, he organized a motorcycle memorial ride, hundreds of bikers on a long winding road and a father riding and the honor of his little girl. The first memorial ride was small with just a few close friends. But as the years passed, it grew bigger and bigger. And more bikers joined in and more people came to stand with Timothy.

And every year, he led the ride with his motorcycle with Cynthia's name on his back. They followed the same path that Cynthia once walked. and the ride was supposed to be a tribute, a way to say that you will never be forgotten. But on June 2nd of 2023, Timothy Hoffman rode out there with 50 other people and the plan was simple. First stop was breakfast at the Carousel Lounge.

Next it was riding through the trails and their final stop was Thunderbird Falls where Cynthia had taken her last breath. But Timothy never made it there. At 1.30 p.m. as they were riding down the Parks Highway, Something happened. Timothy's motorcycle lost control. He veered off the road and the bike flipped. His wife was on the back and both of them were thrown onto the pavement. Bikers were screaming, they rushed to help them, but Timothy was unresponsive. When the paramedics arrived,

he was rushed to the hospital, but sadly did not survive. Timothy's wife did survive the crash, but suffered a skull fracture, a broken back, and had to go through multiple surgeries. I'm sure this is shocking to hear and the community was in total disbelief. Timothy had spent five years fighting for Cynthia and on the fifth anniversary of her death, he was gone too. Cynthia's mom said about Tim that the only thing he ever wanted was justice for our daughter and now they're together again. Sometimes I can't believe that these things are actually real. The Hoffman family lost two people. Cynthia because she trusted the wrong friend and Timothy because his grief never let him rest. Cynthia's story isn't just a tragedy, it's also a warning. It's a reminder

that the internet can be a dangerous place. Social media is supposed to connect us, but there are other Darren Schillmillers out there. There are predators with another lie just waiting in someone's inbox. So the real question is, how do you know the person that you're talking to online is even real? In the end, Cynthia wasn't killed by a stranger in a dark alley. She was killed by someone that she love and trusted. And all it took was the wrong person whispering inner friend's ear. So what can we take from a story like this? Question people. Question the things that you see and read online. Not everyone you call a friend is really your friend. If something feels off, trust your gut and report the things that aren't right because it may save your life, but it may also

save somebody else's. I don't like giving killers a voice on this channel, but it's not all the time that we actually get to hear from a prisoner. And Danali did an interview after five years of being locked in prison. Core TV released the video three months ago where Danali sat down for her very first interview and David Scott asked her questions about her claim that she was catfished into killing her best friend. They went into this interview thinking that Danali was going to own up to everything she did, explain why she did it, that she wanted to come clean and take responsibility. But we hear this all the time. We just heard about this with Lori Vallow.

The interview goes in a totally different direction. I don't think it will ever be what we expect because I think that killers want a platform. They want to be remembered somehow. And they also want people to think that they were wrongly accused and that they shouldn't actually be where they are. But they do these interviews under the guise of, I'm going to tell you the truth. One thing I noticed right away was Denali's stature. She was the same size, if not bigger. than David Scott, a grown adult man who was interviewing her. So that really stuck out to me immediately.

And it kind of made me understand why she had so much of a presence and maybe why she was able to control people around her. She starts off by saying that she was advised against doing this interview by her lawyers, as well as some of the prisoners. They told her not to do it. And right off the bat, she starts blaming substances, abusing substances. And David Scott's kind of like, okay, wait a minute. I understand you came from a really traumatic childhood that bad things happened to you, that you witnessed your newborn sister dying when you were only two and you were put into foster care, and all that is a valid reason that she got into substances, but she was letting it kind of be the excuse that she was in this bad headspace.

Well, all of this was going on. But I have to say, I still think she knew right from wrong, but she really tried to play herself as the victim of her circumstances and that she had to sell her body and substances, but I'm not sure I believe that. What I mean is I don't believe she had to. But how can we really get inside her head? The fact is, she did those things.

She carried firearms. She was a dealer and also a user. And in order to fuel all of that, she got, in her words and her perspective, sucked in, to exchanging these explicit photos for money. And it kind of just snowballed. But the way that she would just callously talk about Cynthia, even saying that she got in this big fight,

because Cynthia slept with her ex-boyfriend, even though she slept with her ex-boyfriend and was back and forth. But she was making it out to be like the excuse why she chose to end Cynthia's life. Because she was really mad at her. All of that sounded like more excuses. She even called herself petty, which I think it's way beyond petty. She was like, oh, you know, I let my jealousy get to me. I'm not going to lie. I was really petty.

And she was smiling when she said this and it was really sickening. My jealousy hit me again. And I'm not going to lie, I got petty. and I was mad. At one point she even said when Cynthia was shot, that it was just problem solved. Problem solved, right? Wow, that sounds really heartless.

I know. It sounds heartless, but at the time, that's what I was thinking. And that's so callous. And she said that. She was like, you know what? I know what's bad, but I'm telling you what I was thinking in the moment. Now, I was surprised to hear from Cynthia's uncle, who said that in the beginning, when he found out that Cynthia was running with this bad crowd

and hanging out with Donali, he confronted Timothy. and he's like, why are you letting your daughter hang out with this person? And Tim was like, well, she's an adult. I can't really stop her. And I think that's a big fear that parents have. Because at some point, their kids become teenagers and then adults, and there's only so much we can do.

Also, I found it interesting that Donnelly takes comfort and the fact that she's not the person who pulled the trigger. She understands that she's responsible for murder and that she essentially murdered someone, but she doesn't think it's the same as actually doing the physical act. of murdering the person, even though she directed someone to do it, but I think that's really cowardly

because there's not a big difference. But if it makes her feel comfortable at the end of the day, it still doesn't change anything. The way like I see it is I didn't actually pull the trigger. I was just the catalyst. I was the thing that... Do you think that makes you any less a murderer?

No, it doesn't make me any less a murderer. It just is something on my conscience that I didn't actually be the one to kill somebody. So, like, I haven't physically taken a human life. I was just the catalyst of taking one and that's my burden to bear because she's dead because of me. That's my responsibility. That's on me. I don't know. There's just something like that always gets me when people will be like, well, you shot somebody. Well, no, I didn't. Everybody always tries to come up and say that, but I didn't actually shoot her.

You did murder her though. Yeah. So what's the difference? She also tried to say the police were coercing her and that her confession wasn't really on her own will. And she really doesn't like to be called the mastermind. I think she would really like it just all fall on Darren and Kaden. She got called out about this in the interview. And she was like, no, I'm not trying to place blame. I just want to tell you how it really happened. Well, she's currently working on an appeal to reduce her sentence. So this interview was all supposed to be about taking responsibility. And David Scott even asked her, if she thinks she deserves to be out of prison, and she's like, I think everyone deserves a second chance. And I cannot disagree more. You killed someone. You're

dangerous. You're heartless, you're callous, and you're discussing human. Not everyone deserves a second chance. I think it can definitely make you hate her even more than you probably do after hearing what she did. Let me know your thoughts in the comments. And like always, thank you so much for being here for Cynthia's story. I'll see you in my next video. Bye.