True Crime with Kimbyr - Part 2: Mysterious "Grilling" For Days Lead Police to A Horrific Murder - Tynesha Stewart

Episode Date: November 9, 2025

In Part 2 of True Crime with Kimbyr, Kimbyrleigha continues the heart breaking story of Tynesha Stewart — uncovering how investigators unravelled the shocking aftermath of her murder. As police dig deeper, chilling details emerge: a web of lies, a desperate cover-up, and the horrifying truth about what really happened in those final moments. How did Tynesha’s killer try to erase every trace of the crime? And what justice did her family ultimately receive? Join Kimbyrleigha as she exposes the devastating end to this tragic case on True Crime with Kimbyr. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Gayla could not even contain her sadness. She just broke down. It wasn't supposed to end this way. She knew Tyneisha did not deserve this, and she didn't even know the worst of it yet. But now, just the two of them, aside from Timothy Shepard, held this crucial information. And Quinell, sure as hell, didn't trust law enforcement

with this information because it would blow up. The media would be all over it. So instead of calling the police, he called someone he trusted, Jeff McShan. He was a respected reporter from Kemp Hey, H-O-U. He immediately met with Kwanal, and they decided to bypass the police all together and contact the lead detective, Sydney Miller. And they told him, Timothy Shepard knew where Tynisha's body was and to get there fast before he stops cooperating. Own it all. Pay off your home. Travel for life. Drive a Ferrari. In celebration of the world premiere of the Monopoly Big Board Buckslot Machine by Aristocrat Gaming, Yamava Resort and Casino at San Manuel is giving one person a $1.6 million dream package.

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His hands were fidgeting. He wouldn't even look at the dumpster. And Quinell could see it. He could see the signs. This was the crucial moment. So that's when he put his arm around Tim and he's like, it's okay. If this is where she is, where you left her, then it's time to give her family closure and tell that.

But Tim hesitated. And then he just pointed and he said, There. That's where she is. Wow. And by now there were additional units on scene and they were starting to approach this dumpster very carefully and cautiously. They were bracing themselves for the possibility of finding TinyShra remains inside. With Timothy right beside them, they looked inside that dumpster. And to their shock and surprise, it was completely empty. There was just like remnants of a couple pieces of garbage in there, but there was no body. Either Tim was lying about where he left her, or the garbage had been hauled away, and it was already at the landfill.

And that meant the chance of ever finding Tynesia faded. But then they saw what was inside the bottom of this dumpster. There was blood. Enough of it to know that it was probably true that her remains had once been there. And at that moment, Detective Miller had heard and seen enough. He turned to Tim. he pulled out his handcuffs and he clasped around his wrists. He was put under arrest and he was transported to the Harris County Jail.

Now there was another type of pain. Tanisha's loved ones did not have her body. They had no way to say goodbye, no way to bury her, to memorialize her. It was just a gut-wrenching moment. Her mom could barely walk without support. Everyone was emotional because they were left empty-handed. All they had was this unsettling question, what had Tim done with Tynisha.

And back at the station, Timothy quickly invoked his right to an attorney, but then he changes his mind. And when he's sitting there all alone in that interview room, he makes a decision that shocked everyone. He asked for Detective Miller and he said, I want to talk. Miller was stunned. He reminded Timothy, you just asked for a lawyer. I'm not allowed to talk to you.

I cannot legally proceed, but Tim didn't care. He's like, I don't want a lawyer. I want to talk. And he did. For the next few years, hours, he confessed and it was recorded. And what he revealed, let's just say that Detective Miller said they have an 80-20 rule. It means that a suspect will confess to about 80% of the truth about what really happened. And that 20%, you have to fill in with the evidence to find out

what actually occurred. And it's usually worse than you can imagine. And in this case, I'm telling you it is way worse. And I am going to get into that. But in that interview room, Tim said that he and Tanisha got into an argument about Mark. He said that Tanisha grabbed a knife that just happened to be sitting on his end table, and she swung it at him, and she nicked his fingers. Now, he did have a small scratch on one of his hands, and he said, it just made him snap. He put his right hand around her neck and he used the other one to try to grab the knife away, and then he just started squeezing and squeezing until she fell to the left.

the ground and she was no longer breathing. He said at first he was afraid that she was going to stab him, but then all the animosity for the argument they were in just came pouring out and he just never stopped squeezing. He told the detective he doesn't know what happened. He was holding his breath and then he blacked out. He was conscious, but he was having what he described as like an out-of-body experience. And I felt disgusted when he said that he knew he had to choke her. her. No, you chose to choke her. And that's if any of this is what really happened. But then he said,

he knew that police were going to be looking and figuring out that he killed her. So he placed her in a plastic storage container and threw her in that dumpster that he took them to at that other apartment complex. When asked, why didn't you just call 911? He said, he was scared they wouldn't believe him. And I called bullshit. And so did the DA. And so did the detectives. But at least Tim had admitted that he killed Tynisha. He was officially charged with her murder and held on a $250,000 bond. He then attempted to end himself in that interview room by placing his belt over his neck and then putting it on the door handle, but it was not successful. He knew they were going to find out what happened and especially with who he did this to. Tainisha Stewart, a bright, ambitious young woman with her

whole future ahead of her and she was reduced to a trash bin. They realized that this dump is 500 acres. There's like 6,000 tons of garbage that goes there. So a search for her body could take the months, and it was also very expensive. They weren't even sure if they'd ever find Tenisha. But of course, her family was livid, as I'm sure I would be. Her sister said, would it cost too much if this was your own daughter out there? And I would say the same thing. But here is the real horror. This was not the full story, and I know you know that, because Timothy left something out, something that, of course, he probably would have never admitted, had they not figured it out themselves.

Detectives finally pieced it together. I told you it was so much worse. They didn't think a search of the landfill would be necessary between the luminal evidence all over the bathroom. What witnesses said they smelled and saw? Detectives believe that Timothy did much more than simply put Tyneesh's body in a container. Detectives and crime scene technicians went back over to Tim's apartment, and they scoured the whole place. Outside on the balcony, they found pieces of what appeared to be burned hair, and then a ton of these tiny little shards of what looked like charred bone fragments, and they were in the cracks of the wooden floor. And then they looked below the balcony on the patio underneath Tim's, and sure enough, they were able to collect over 30 pieces of these fragments to be DNA tested.

Then they moved to that garbage disposal. They took it apart, and I could not even believe what they found, more charred items, more bone fragments. And then they found several pieces of teeth with enamel, and the entire garbage disposal was removed, and it was sent to the lab for further examination. This horrifying, absolutely just unbelievable evidence, suggested that Timothy had put Tyneisha into the bathtub, cut her.

her, burned her body, piece by piece, putting some of it down the sink into the garbage disposal, cutting it up through there over the course of two or three days. And you know he had been grilling. It was unbelievable, but it did make sense. And looking back, those strange pieces of meat that that volunteer firefighter said he saw in Timothy's bathtub were in fact parts of Tynisha's body. He said that he saw a rack of ribs, but of course, in that moment he would have never never ever considered it was a human body.

But after DNA testing was conducted, it wasn't just a human body. It was Tynisha's body. And that is just beyond horrific. There's actually no words. I was trying to think of one. There are no words to describe what this monster did to her.

Harris County prosecutor on the case, Carrie Sigler, had to explain to her family why there was no need to search for Tanish's body. Can you imagine? And Gail just looked up and said, Are you telling me that my baby is never coming home and Kelly was like trying to hold back tears? And she was like, yes, ma'am. And Gail just collapsed on the ground and she was just saying over and over again, my baby, my baby.

Gaila couldn't understand the mindset of someone that loved you. You know, I even acted like they loved you, that dated you, and then cut you up in their bathtub. It just doesn't make sense. How can they make that switch? It's not human. She wanted Tim to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. He needed to pay for what he had done. The case was now being handled by the prosecutor, Marie Prim, who was very experienced, and she was determined to secure a conviction.

Tim was represented by Chip Lewis. He was a very successful defense attorney known for his high-profile cases, including the infamous case of Robert Durst. He was found not guilty claiming self-defense in a case where, guess what? He had murdered and dismembered his neighbor. Yeah. So this defense attorney seemed to be the perfect fit for Tim's case. But he wasn't cheap. Luckily, Tim's sister footed the bill, and Chip was determined to challenge every piece of evidence that the prosecution had. Focusing on getting Timothy's confession thrown out because he was arguing that it was coerced and that they didn't follow the legal procedures, you know, all of that.

And if that happened, if they were successful, this could mean they would get other evidence suppressed, like what was found in his apartment, and that would be crucial. That would make this case almost impossible for the state to win. But prosecutor Marie Prim fought back, and the judge denied the motion for exclusion, meaning all the evidence would come in. Now, I know some people leave after they know what happened, and they're like, oh, I don't really need to listen to the trial. I'm doing something new at the end of this video, so I would say keep watching. I would just say keep watching. There's going to be something different happening. But 28-year-old Timothy Wayne Shepard's trial began on September 29th of 2008.

And in her opening statement, prosecutor Marie Prim outlined the details of the violent relationship between Tynisha and Timothy. She described the physical trauma that had marked their time together. And as she spoke about Tanisha's death and what Tim actually did to her, when she followed that up with the fact that DNA experts would testify that a tooth, belonging to Tanisha

was found in the garbage disposal, you could hear people gasping, her family and loved ones, they were like crying out in the courtroom. There were tool marks found on those bone fragments. The evidence was overwhelming. You don't even need to be an expert to deduce what happened here. I'm sure all of you know what happened. And the defense strategy was to just he'd really get the jurors to separate Tanisha's death with what Tim did after she was dead, meaning the brutal way that he disposed

of her remains, he wanted them to kind of just, you know, that part we're going to not look at as being as important. He wanted them to compartmentalize to focus on the strangling and the claim it was self-defense, kind of in a way saying she was already dead when the rest of the stuff happened. He stated, quote, the details are the details. We can't change them, but the details are irrelevant as to whether Tim Shepard is guilty of murder. Nothing that happened after Ms. Stewart's death changed the facts about how she died, end quote. So in essence what he was trying to do was minimized the effect of the horrific, barbaric, and just inhuman things that this man did to her corpse. Well, I'm going to tell you, it matters. It matters to me, and I'm not even her family member. It matters.

Everything I told you was testified about in court by numerous witnesses, from Tim's neighbors to Tanisha's friends and family. Even Tim's cousin said that he once told him he could kill someone and get away with it because he would boil and eat them. That's just disgusting. Then there was the shocking conclusion. to the state's case. Quinell X took the stand for Tynisha. He spoke the truth and kept his promise to find justice for her and her family. He testified to everything he witnessed him say and do and what he saw in his apartment. But wow did this defense attorney put on the best defense money could buy from saying that people lose their teeth all the time, suggesting that Tainisha's tooth just kind of like ended up in the sink before her death. What?

He even claimed that this man was actually the one in fear of little five-foot Tainisha. This was countered by witnesses like a friend of Timothy's named Johnny, who said that Tim killed Tainisha because she refused a Valentine's Day ring that he wanted to give her. And even jokingly, he said jokingly, but I was like, this wasn't funny. He said, Tim jokingly said, if he wanted to kill her, he would cut her up, barbecue her and feed her to dogs. How is that a joke? I'm missing the punchline because it's not funny. I don't get it. It's crazy. Like if you hear somebody say something like that, that's not normal. If you see something, say something. If you hear that, say something.

After four days of deliberation, the jury, and you could probably guess this, found Timothy Shepherd guilty of murder. And Tynisha's family and friends broke down in tears as Tim just sat there unmoved, emotionless, like the monster that he was. But now it was time for the punishment phase. And this time Tim decided. that he wanted to take the stand. He wanted to try to gain some sympathy from the court. His defense attorney didn't want to do this, but Tim thought that he could convince everyone

he didn't deserve such a harsh punishment. He wanted to go back home and back to his normal life. Well, of course, you know what happens when you go on the stand. It opens you up to being questioned by the prosecutor. And Prim didn't hold back. In the end, her questions forced Tim to reenact the way he grabbed Tynetia's throat, demonstrating it on,

the prosecutor, which was a pivotal moment in this courtroom. But the real intense part was when Tim admitted that he left his apartment, bought a jigsaw for the cutting, and even used pliers to remove her teeth. Yep. I can't even believe it. When Prim asked him if he then placed her on the barbecue pit, he actually stopped her and said, oh no, it was a smoker. So in those moments, he even needed to correct the prosecutor on the type of grill he used.

This man got 99 years in prison, and it wasn't even the maximum, but it was his lifetime. Even though his auntie tried to say that, you know what, it's not his fault. It's not his fault that he turned out to be a monster. She was blaming his mother, that he had a hard life, that he never even knew who his real dad was. He found out after his dad died by stumbling upon his birth certificate, and he went crazy when he found out everyone lied to him. He thought his stepdad was his real dad.

I'm sorry, but none of that excuses. the vile nature of this monster. Tynisha's sister, Gaila, said that they could not even see the evil that was lurking all around them. They let that evil inside their home, near their loved ones, with no idea what this man was capable of. Gail reflected on her daughter's legacy, noting that Tanisha's name will live on especially

when Timothy Shepard's daughter applies for college because there is a scholarship in Tynisha's name. And I was like, wow, that's right. this man had a daughter of his own, and he couldn't even imagine if someone did this to his own daughter. Now, Tynisha's mom is dedicated to making sure other women don't die the same way her daughter did. She shares Tynisha's story in panels on healthy relationships

and how to notice the signs that you are being mistreated. She said, it's not a crime to get in your child's business. And yes, we respect their privacy, but we ask questions and we demand answers. And I have to agree. I remember seeing a comment on a video on my other true crime channel, Darklivity. We did the case of Sidney Powell who killed her mother. And someone in my comment section was actually blaming her mom for so-called snooping into her 19-year-old's business by having things like the Life 360 app. Well, I disagree.

Yes, legally, they are adults. But many teenagers and even 20-somethings, they still need parenting. And in that case, in Sydney Powell's case, her parents were still supporting her. So I think they had the right to know what was going on in their child's life. Not because you're trying to violate their privacy, but I mean, look what happened in cases like the Idaho case. Those university students, they were sent to college and they came back in caskets. So knowing where your children are, what they're doing, it's important for a lot of parents because it can save your child's life. But I think it begins with communication and having that open line of communication between you and your children.

It's hard to develop and cultivate and build that trust. so that they will come to you in confidence and tell you what's really going on. But if you feel like staying, because I told you there's going to be something different at the end of this video, if you want to hang out with me and continue to learn about a case that's been on my mind, I keep telling you there are these cases that I cannot do like an entire video on, but I want to share. I'm going to be doing a whole case right now. So if you want to stick around, I first want to thank you so much for being here for Tenisha Story. It's one that I don't think I'll ever forget.

and then I hope that you will remember. And I want you to remember her for how amazing she was, not what was done to her. There are also resources below in my description box if you are experiencing mistreatment in your relationship so that you'll know what signs to look for. So please look down below. There will be links and numbers there for you. But okay, now if you are still hanging out with me, I wanted to talk about a crazy and heartbreaking story that has been on my mind for over a year now.

No, I don't usually just sit down and talk to you like a friend. I tell stories, I narrate what happened to people in their life, and I'm going to do that here. But I feel like a lot of times I don't get a chance to really just sit down and share with you things that I'm thinking or feeling or kind of have a discussion. I do check my comments. I read almost every single one of them if I can, especially if you come here in the first two hours. But there was this case that popped up. I think I first saw it on law and crime. And then it was like, no updates. Nothing happening. I was checking in. I was trying to find out like, What happened? There's always a question, and that's why I created this channel,

because I would be left thinking, what are the details? Like, why aren't people diving into this? It's a case about something we all know too well, and I wish we didn't. And that is that appearances can be deceiving. What we see others post online isn't always the truth. If you were to scroll through Instagram, you would think that Carly had it all.

This is a 26-year-old beautiful girl smiling in Sunlit, selfies, posing in bikinis on the beach, clinking cocktail glasses on tropical vacations. Carly Marie Perinelli was a woman from Victoria, Australia. She was a girl who loved her dog Coda so much, she had its name tattooed on her body. She was stylish. She had shiny blonde hair, piercing blue eyes, and a confident smile. She looked like the kind of girl who loved adventure, parties, and making memories. Her feed was filled with snapshots of her life, a cocktail in hand, standing on a rooftop bar captioning cheers to another year of of being fabulous.

A vacation in Bali, arms wrapped around her mom, writing Love You to the Moon and Back Mom, party nights tagging friends, drinks on me, let's go wild. Videos of her and her besties celebrating with drinks and laughs. She's a lot like us. On the surface, Carly's life look glamorous, exciting, and full of love, but we know better, don't we?

We've seen this before. Think about Gabby Petito. Her Instagram was full of bright sun-kiss moments, smiling selfies, road trips, breathtaking scenery. But behind the lens, that woman was hiding bruises that no one could see. And she was taken from this world by a man that she trusted the most.

There's Shanan Watts, how many people have done videos on her case over and over again. She posted gushing tributes to her husband, Chris Watts, smiling in family photos, calling him her rock, posting excited baby announcements. But behind closed doors, this man was plotting to kill her and their children. Social media lies.

It's a highlight reel. We've heard it time and time again. It's never the full story. It tells you what someone wants you to believe, not what's actually happening behind the scenes. There was one person who appeared the most frequently in Carly's social media posts, and that was her mother, Joanne Perry.

Joanne Perry was 53 years old and from all accounts, a devoted mother. Friends said they were so close, as close as mother and daughter could be. They had a strong bond, posting heart, heartfelt captions about how much they meant to one another. For Joanne's 50th birthday, Carly planned a special trip to Bali.

She wanted to celebrate her mom in style, a mother-daughter getaway in paradise. She even went on Facebook travel forums asking this question, she said, "'Hey, guys, so my mom and her partner and I are looking to head to Bali in the next month and haven't been overseas for many years, so looking to find one of the best resorts

even at 100 plus a night in the middle of Lesion or Kuta.'" End quote. So clearly, she's all the first this forum, she's asking people for their travel advice, and then later, they do make it to paradise, and Carly shared photos of their trip. There were the two of them sipping on drinks on the beach, their toes in the sand, a birthday cake with candles, Carly's arm wrapped around Joanne as they laughed together. And to anyone watching, it seemed like a mother and daughter who just adored one another. But behind Carly's perfectly filtered photos, there was a secret growing. It was a

dark, messy, and dangerous one. She was not okay. Carly was coming undone. She was unraveling. Friends saw it. Her mother saw it. Her ex-boyfriend knew, but no one could stop what was coming.

Oh, and they tried. They did try. But there was another Carly, one who was in and out of the justice system, one whose mind was slipping into realms that many of us will never even understand. She would soon be described as a woman possessed. A monster.

And it seems unbelievable when you look at her highlight reel. But on March 8th of 2024, that illusion was shattered forever. And by the time the truth came out, it was too late. But let's go back in time, but not back too far. Just a few years before. Because there really isn't much publicly documented about Carly's early life, her education, or even her career. But her friends and family knew her as a person who they described as being happy and bubbly.

But while Carly was speaking about her, posting filtered pictures of fun nights out, she was secretly battling legal troubles, mental health struggles, and substance use that led to a slow descent into chaos. By 2022, Carly had already been charged with a serious crime, one that completely clashed with this online image, a violent home invasion in Melbourne.

She was accused of breaking into someone's home with violent intent. We're gonna get to that. There was also the drug possession. Police found cannabis in her possession, and some might not be. that's a big deal, but it was still a charge. It seemed like Carly did like to indulge in marijuana, and she didn't hide it. In 2020, Carly tagged her mom in a comment section of a Facebook post

from the world of bongs. It showed a meme of a grave site with cannabis plants growing out of it, and the caption read, How My Grave'll Look and Goals. Carly tagged her mom saying, Next year, Cascade bottles and Mark's guitar with a smiley face emoji. Clearly this was a funny inside joke. And Joanne responded with, OMG, ha ha. It seems like things that we would post to our family and friends. Then there was the intervention order though, which is the same as a restraining order. Someone outside of her family felt so threatened they were threatened

enough by Carly to seek legal protection against her. And that's telling. And despite what her Instagram suggested, Carly's mental health was spiraling. She started posting cryptic, troubling messages online. Messages that now looking back seem like cries for help. In January of 2023, Carly put out a post on social media for information on clairvoyance in Bali. She had been planning that trip for months and her post asking for information on this Facebook page about Bali was actually met with a lot of ridicule. And that was because of her spelling, which is just, I don't know why people do that, but they'll be like pointing out all your grammar mistakes in a simple post on

Facebook it's not that serious but also because she was looking for psychics okay so she actually lashed back out at people and she said quote pretty poor comments everyone has their own beliefs and that's that i believe in psychics and i'm looking for a reading yes anyone who doesn't believe in this can take all the piss they like end quote clearly what she's saying is you know what you might not believe in the same things but why are you being so mean to me in essence she believed in psychics and she wanted a reading. A month before this was when she posted in that travel forum trying to find her mom, the hotel accommodations. So this was all for that trip. And later, Carly did travel to a restaurant in Bali and she met with a psychic named Stephanie. And she looked

like she was having a great time and she was in good spirits during her trip. She even went back to that same Facebook page and she started posting recommendations about local drivers and other service providers. She even said, quote, highly recommend. Best, I've had in Bali, beautiful ladies in treatment." She posted on the same day, and there were beautiful pictures of her and her mom celebrating their vacation. But Carly's life began to spiral out of control not long after she returned from that trip. That's when the home invasion occurred. Why? It's really anyone's guess. Some have speculated that maybe she was having a mental break. She was paranoid. Maybe she thought someone was out to get her. Other said it could have been to access drugs.

Both are just speculations, but Carly wasn't the same fun-loving bubbly girl her friends once knew. Something was off. She was snapping at people. She was getting paranoid and getting caught up in one legal problem after another. And her mom, Joanne, was watching it all happen right in front of her, helpless to stop what was coming. It started with a breakup. Carly had been in a serious relationship, but by late 2003, it was over. And now breakups are hard for everyone.

I know that. but for Carly, it really hit her differently. Friends said that she took it extremely hard. She wasn't just sad. She became angry, bitter, and she was spiraling out of control. And that's when the legal troubles came, the violent home invasion that I talked about. And let's be clear.

This wasn't some minor offense. Home invasion is a serious crime in Australia, and Carly was facing real consequences for her actions. She was accused of forcibly entering someone's home with a violent intent that means she was there to hurt someone. She was threatening the occupants. The exact details of what happened inside that house are not clear.

They're not publicly accessible to my knowledge, but the case eventually did go to court. And most of the serious charges were actually dropped. But Carly wasn't off the hook. She was still facing drug possession charges and had a pending hearing scheduled for April 23, 2024. This wasn't just rumors anymore. There were now legal documents that Carly was dangerous.

By early 2024, Carly's behavior was escalating. She wasn't just angry or erratic. She was losing control completely. On January 31st, she sent her ex-boyfriend Tyler Jackman a really weird text message. She said, I can't deal with things anymore. I feel like so many games are going on, I just can't handle it.

And at this point, Carly was desperately trying to hold on to reality, but it didn't seem like she was in a good headspace. She talked about how there was so much drama going on in her life and now she doesn't deal well with drama. Now, she and her mother had moved into a new, two-story brick home in lower plenty on Kett Street, not too long before this. She even posted a video to Facebook showing her favorite part, the backyard, which will become very eerie later on when you look back on this post. It was a very quiet street with the homes

pretty close together in a little nook, but it wasn't long before neighbors started hearing violent arguments from inside Joanne's house. One woman who lived on their street later said that she heard a lot of domestics going on for weeks. And at one point, the arguments were so intense, she almost called the police herself. But she hesitated. She wasn't sure if it was bad enough to get involved. We've heard that many times.

I just talked about it. Residents don't really know if they should get all into someone else's business and call the cops, because that's pretty drastic, right? But you should. I'm saying you should. You're going to have your own thoughts, and you can leave them below. But she wasn't the only one hearing things. Another neighbor later said,

they heard direct threats coming from Carly. She heard Carly yelling things like, I'll set you on fire. Yes. She was apparently yelling this to her own mother. The neighbor was so disturbed by what she was hearing that she started warning other people in their neighborhood about Carly.

Until this moment, Carly had always been seen as a lovely daughter, but it was like a switch was flipped. She was now appearing to be psychotic. And the neighbor even remarked, when you're psychotic, you're not in control. She wasn't sure what was going to happen, but she knew it wasn't good. And yet, despite all of this, everything you're hearing,

Carly's mom was unable to get the help that she needed for her daughter. She apparently told the same neighbor, she was attempting to get Carly committed to a psychiatric hospital, but there were so many hoops to jump through. It was extremely difficult to do. This is an adult. If they're not willing to go get help, because maybe in their mind they don't need it,

or there's other factors at play, it's hard to get them committed. The other thing is, Joanne loved her daughter, unconditionally, but she was beginning to truly fear her as well. Carly was facing that upcoming court hearing, remember it was scheduled for April 23rd of 2024, which probably added to her stress. She'd been severely losing weight, and even though she would post these very concerning but vague content online,

she would also post normal content as well, like expressing love for her mom, or excitement about plans she was making. But of course, all of this is looking back. No one is sitting there studying someone's social media posts in the moment like they do when hindsight is 2020. Carly did tell her ex-boyfriend Tyler that she actually hadn't spoken to someone in a very long time.

And this was like she was being isolated, whether that was intentional, like she was withdrawing, or other reasons. And that's when he asked if maybe she wanted to get some coffee. Now, I don't know if they ever got that chance. By February 20th, Carly was shopping and she began having erratic behavior and it got so alarming that authorities were called and she was taken to the hospital. She ended up being sedated because she could not be calmed down.

She was apparently having both auditory and visual hallucinations. And I have to say, I was thinking, this poor girl. I mean, I know we haven't gotten to what ends up happening, but this is truly evidence that she needed help, one way or another. Police were called eight times from just February to March 8th when things took a deadly turn. But each of these calls were for matters unrelated to mental health. It was over her driving, for criminal offenses, but not for her well-being. By March of 2020, Joanne knew that Carly was dangerous. She was begging for help, but the system failed her. Carly's behavior had grown even more unpredictable and concerning.

For example, she expressed paranoia, desperation, and even alluded to harming herself or someone else. Maybe Carly was agitated. Maybe they had an argument and it escalated, or maybe she was delusional and she was perceiving things that weren't real. But on March 7th, Joanne called an ambulance for Carly. She told them her daughter's mental health was deteriorating rapidly. But when Carly heard her mom on the phone, she ran before the ambulance arrived. Think about that for a second. This mother was so scared for her daughter's mental health that she's calling emergency services only for Carly to disappear before they could intervene and she could get help.

Now, at that point, Joanne was trapped. She loved Carly. She wanted to get her help, but what do you do when the person you love becomes violent? She probably thought, maybe I'll just keep the peace and everything will be okay. Maybe she just needs time. Maybe she'll get better. I don't think any mother really wants to think that they could lose their daughter.

But when someone's mind is in another place, it's like you've already lost them, which is really sad. And there was no getting better. Carly was on the edge, and within 24 hours, everything was going to explode. The very next day, Friday, March 8th, Carly returned home. Now, Joanne welcomed her back,

because that's what mothers do. Now, it might have been an ordinary day leading up to that evening. Joanne came home from work, from errands, and Carly came back some of them. time that day, but within hours, Joanne would be begging for her life. The screaming would start. The neighbors would rush to their windows. The police would be called.

The neighbor had referred to Carly as a ticking time bomb, and she was right. But if you had driven by that house that afternoon, you would have thought that nothing was wrong. It was a quiet ordinary street, a mother and daughter inside their home. Maybe Joanne had hoped that things would be okay that night. Then maybe she had some time to calm down, but Carly wasn't calm. Something triggered a sudden eruption of violence in that early evening, whether it was an argument between mother and daughter,

a psychotic break, or on Carly's part, a combination of those factors. But around 6 p.m., a neighbor heard the screaming. Now, it wasn't a normal argument this time. It was pure terror. It wasn't just one scream. It was a steady stream of screaming and yelling. And the words weren't clear at first, until four words cut through the air.

Joanne screamed, don't set me a light. The neighbor now was fully alarmed and they ran to their window and what she saw made her stomach drop. Carly was in the backyard. The same backyard she once said was her favorite part of their home. And she was kicking and spraying her mom Joanne with an aerosol can and a lighter, as if preparing to set her mom on fire. That is so terrifying. And then minutes later, at approximately 6.30 p.m., that neighbor made a call that would send police rushing to that scene. Two Victoria police officers arrived very quickly. and they could already tell something was horribly wrong.

They could hear the screaming and the commotion, and they looked over the fence into the property's backyard, and they saw a large pool of blood on the ground and saw Joanne face down with her daughter on top of her, cutting her neck with a knife. They immediately called for an ambulance and climbed over the fence to get in the back part of the property, and Carly was still on top of her 53-year-old mother

with a knife in her hand, stabbing her over and over again. This wasn't a single act of violence, it was a frenzy. Joanne was being attacked. She was being butchered. And Carly seemed like she had no idea these officers were even there. The officers immediately pulled out their guns and they shouted, drop the knife!

Carly was in such a violent rage or in a disturbed state. She didn't even comply. She continued plunging the knife into Joanne as police officers were announcing their presence and commanding her to stop. They kept yelling to her and for a split second, Carly hesitated. And the knife, slipped from her hand and fell to the ground.

But then, out of nowhere, without warning, Carly picked the knife back up, and she was told to move away. But instead, she went back to her mother, who was most likely already deceased by this point. She began stabbing her again, and she wasn't stopping. And that's when gunshots bring out. A neighbor later said she thought the shots were maybe warning shots.

They weren't. Police had opened fire on Carly. This was a kill shot, eight of them to be exact. And within seconds, Carly collapsed to the ground and was bleeding out. The officers rushed in and they secured the scene. They checked Joanne's body, but it was too late. Joanne Perry was dead, and so was her daughter, Carly, lying only a short distance away from her mother. The backyard that Carly once loved had become a massacre site at her own hands.

She never got to explain why she did this. She never got to face a trial for her crime. Paramedics arrived in 10 minutes, but there was nothing they could do. Joanne had suffered catastrophic stab wounds to her neck, multiple deep wounds, likely severing arteries, and to her torso, and even defensive wounds and deep lacerations all over her body. She was pronounced dead at 6.52 p.m. This wasn't just a stabbing. This was actually overkill.

I know you've heard that word many times. Someone's already deceased. Someone keeps going. It was terrible. And this location was now an accident. was now an active crime scene with two deceased individuals. Victoria Police didn't hesitate to call this exactly what it was. A homicide, and then Carly's death was a police shooting.

And it was ruled a necessary police shooting. I'm going to be talking about that in a minute. And I'm sure you have a lot of your own thoughts and comments that you want to make, which I completely welcome. But forensic technicians recovered the bloody knife that was used by Carly, and they noted other evidence of a struggle. They saw signs of a fire or an attempt to start

a fire at the scene, scorched material or an accelerant, and that supported the claim early on that Carly had tried to ignite something. By the next morning, as you can imagine, the news broke. There were headlines everywhere. Mother murdered by daughter and a frenzied stabbing. Police forced to shoot young woman in a suburban backyard. Mental health crisis ends in bloodshed.

I mean, they went on and on. I saw them, like I said, law and crime did a video. And of course, this community was shocked. And so were these women's love. There were so many questions about why this beautiful young woman who once adored her mother ended up taking her life in broad daylight. Why did she do it? Then came all the speculation.

Was she on drugs? Was this some kind of psychotic break that was untreated? Some people even suggested it was undiagnosed schizophrenia. Should she have been in jail instead of out on bail? And these were all good questions. And there were of course varying degrees of both sympathy and anger. One thing everyone agreed on, this should have been in jail. tragedy could have been prevented because all the signs were there. Carly was slipping.

Joanne was begging for help. Neighbors were hearing threats and no one did anything that truly kept them safe. And then came the ridicule. The public wanted to know, why did Carly have to die? And I want to pause because I want to give a thought or two and of course I want to hear yours as well. But I did wonder that. Police are in high pressure situations. I understand that. They are trained to act fast. This happened in 60 seconds from the time, They saw the scene to rehostering the gun. So that decision was made very fast, and I wondered, could it have been too fast?

Joanne was most likely already deceased when the cops arrived or shortly afterward as Carly got off of her mother and dropped the knife. But could the cops have thought in that time frame, that small time frame, that they weren't sure, that they didn't have time to assess the scene, that they didn't know if they were still in protection mode for Joanne. But on the other hand, if Joanne was already dead. Then making sure Carly was detained and went to trial for a crime should naturally come next, not killing her. But some may argue things like, well, she could have come after the cops,

you know? But she had a knife. They had guns. There was enough distance and power in their guns to render her immobilized in seconds. We know that. We saw that, right? It happened in this case. So that argument doesn't really make much sense to me, but it's one that the cops are going to make later. Some ask, why not to shoot her in the leg, you know? if you're worrying about her coming after you, why not to shoot her but not kill her, but make her fall down, maybe not use deadly force? Well, cops are trained to shoot to the torso,

the biggest part of the body, the heart, to ensure they make a shot. But it's a valid question. Why kill her too? Others said, good, that it was justice done, that no one wants to pay taxes or keep her fed and clothed or roof over her head in jail because she's dangerous.

like who takes their own mother's life? But that diminishes the possibility of getting people help. What if she was schizophrenic? What if she was not fully in control? She was 26, and it's usually diagnosed between 16 and 30 years old. So Carly was still in that age range. If on the right medications, Carly could have lived a normal life. But she was a murderer now.

She would have probably not seen the light of day again if she would have survived, unless a jury truly believed, with the evidence, that she was of truly diminished capacity when the crime occurred. But from the very limited evidence, maybe she was. She was in a trance-like state. She wasn't even aware police were there. And in Australia, anytime police officers discharged her firearm,

it triggers an automatic investigation by the professional standards command. A coroner's inquest was done into these police actions. Because when an officer kills someone, no matter the circumstances, there are always going to be questions that need to be answered. Luckily, these officers were wearing body cameras, and it showed that this was absolutely necessary. Those were the words used by authorities. It was absolutely necessary. Victoria Police Acting Superintendent Scott Colson, he told the media, speaking the very next day, that the officers faced a terrible dilemma and had no choice but to shoot to stop the attack.

The two officers both discharged their firearms, and they were turned over for ballistics analysis, and they both had to undergo immediate drug and alcohol testing. That was standard protocol in a police shooting. They were also placed on temporary leave while the investigation went through. But not everyone agreed that this was a necessary and warranted killing, especially when the superintendent confirmed

that Joanne was deceased by the time of the shooting. In essence, the police arrived in time to witness the killing, but not in time to save their victim. There were some people, especially in these online debates, who question things like, why guns at all? Why didn't you just use tasers? The police had a response. They didn't have tasers. They said that Victoria Police did not issue tasers to all general duty officers,

meaning that non-lethal options were not available at that moment. And she was carrying a knife and being erratic. They also did comment about shooting in the leg, which I thought was interesting. They said, this is not Hollywood. It might look easy in a movie. But shooting someone in the leg, you know, while they're moving around, it's not really a real-life strategy. And the final ruling was that this was justified.

And I saw everything. I saw people saying she was a monster, she's a murderer, police had to do what they had to do. We have no sympathy for someone who stabs their own mother. But other people believed that this was a failure of the system. They said things like Carly was clearly sick. She should have been in a hospital, not out on bail. This was preventable.

Joanne tried to get help, but no one listened. and Carly's ex-boyfriend Tyler spoke out publicly. He said she wasn't a monster. She was let down by the system. She needed help, and she didn't get it. When he posted a collage on his Facebook page, he said, I wish it wasn't true, but unfortunately it is. RIP, Carly Perinelli.

Hopefully see you again someday, wherever we end up after this crazy thing we call life. Until then, I'll have to settle for all the good times we had, end quote. And many people were quick to offer condolences, but there was one commenter that spoke out against Tyler's perspective. He said, not a monster? It takes a special type of grub to defend someone that stabs her mother to death. She wasn't let down by the system. What a fucking cop out.

She's a product of her own decisions and it's nobody's fault but hers. What do you think? I would never be that harsh ever. Someone just lost their loved one, someone that they knew personally and who knows who they this guy is, he might just be like a random troll. But since Carly did not survive, obviously no charges were filed in Joanne's murder. Normally, a suspect like Carly would have been arrested at the scene and charged with murder and even arson. But here, when a suspect dies, that process doesn't go forward. And I know that not everyone's going to see the police officers as victims,

but the superintendent did make a statement about how the officers were dealing with everything. He said that they were feeling it tremendously. They don't go to work expecting to draw their firearms and be involved, in these sort of tragedies. And I mean, they are human. They did have to witness something so traumatic. But I was surprised that there wasn't actually more publicized about this case, and I get it.

Both of them died. It's tragic. But it doesn't really provide closure for the community when no one gets to the bottom of why. And then the debate continued online. And that was because of headlines, like the one about Carly's dark past. You know, that gets everyone talking. But it was really just what I told you.

the home invasion and the drug possession. After weeks of media attention, Joanne's extended family finally broke their silence. They released a statement through Victoria Police that said, we are devastated by the loss of Joanne, a loving and caring mother and Carly who battled her demons. And then they asked for privacy. But their words told a story,

a story about a girl who was, as they said, battling her demons. But they didn't just lose Joanne. They lost Carly too, and they cared about both of them. And this won't be the last case like this unless something does change. We're going to see another Carly, another Joanne, another preventable tragedy, and that's what makes it terrifying to me. Because Carly's story, it could be happening somewhere right now.

Someone you know who is hiding behind all the smiles and clinking glasses on social media. I talk about these cases because I want us to be aware of these haunting examples of familial violence. It's relatable. It's heartbreaking, but it's relatable. This was a mother-daughter relationship that ended in the unthinkable. How do you deal with a loved one, especially an adult child who seems to be slipping away mentally and emotionally? I don't have the answer.

I don't think there's one solid answer in cases like this. I think it's specific to someone's personal experience. But it is scary to hear about people like Carly and people like Sidney Powell. For me, having a 13-year-old, they're dealing with a lot. They're dealing with a lot more pressure with social men. media, they're dealing with emotions and even knowing things that we didn't know at that age. And it is hard. See you in my next case.

Bye.