TrueLife - 7 Lenses to See Reality: How Trauma, Coherence & Consciousness Unlock a Deeper Life | Charla Pitre

Episode Date: July 11, 2026

Support the show:https://www.paypal.me/Truelifepodcast?locale.x=en_USOne on One Video Call W/George https://tidycal.com/georgepmonty/60-minute-meetingIn this transformative episode of True Life Podcast, Charla Pitre reveals her groundbreaking 7 Lenses framework for navigating life with clarity, presence, and deep coherence. From surviving childhood trauma and abusive relationships to thriving in Hawaii through radical self-awareness, Charla shares how she turned survival instincts into powerful tools for conscious living.Discover how the heart-brain loop, electromagnetic fields, and nested systems shape our reality. Learn to see consequences as feedback instead of punishment, rewire your nervous system from reactivity to responsiveness, and bridge quantum physics with spirituality. Charla breaks down each of the seven interconnected lenses — Systems, Quantum, Consciousness, Intelligence, Lived Experience, Spirituality, and Relational — showing how they work together to cut through modern noise and reveal hidden connections.This conversation dives deep into trauma healing, CPTSD, self-abandonment vs coherence, the observer perspective, inner child work, and why certainty can actually limit growth while embracing uncertainty builds profound wisdom. Whether you’re healing from trauma, seeking meaning, building conscious leadership, or simply want to stop reacting and start responding with intention, this episode delivers practical insights you can apply immediately.Charla Pitre’s unique blend of lived experience, systems thinking, and spiritual intelligence offers a revolutionary map for personal evolution in an increasingly complex world.Key Topics: 7 Lenses framework, heart brain coherence, quantum spirituality, nervous system regulation, radical self accountability, relational lens, meaning making, observer consciousness.Connect with Charla Pitre:https://charlapitre.substack.com/p/seeing-the-world-through-seven-lensesSubstack & LinkedIn @ Charla PitreIf you’re ready to upgrade how you see yourself and the world, press play now. One on One Video call W/George https://tidycal.com/georgepmonty/60-minute-meetingSupport the show:https://www.paypal.me/Truelifepodcast?locale.x=en_US🚨🚨Curious about the future of psychedelics? Imagine if Alan Watts started a secret society with Ram Dass and Hunter S. Thompson… now open the door. Use Promocode TRUELIFE for Get 25% off monthly or 30% off the annual plan For the first yearhttps://www.district216.com/Legal Disclaimer / Release of Liability for Podcast:This  content  is for educational and informational purposes only. Nothing in this transmission constitutes legal, financial, or professional advice. I am not your lawyer, financial advisor, or telling you what to do.This podcast documents historical events, analyzes publicly available information, and explores hypothetical scenarios. Any actions discussed are presented as educational examples of how systems work—not as instructions or recommendations.You are solely responsible for your own decisions and actions. Any application of information presented here is at your own risk. I assume no liability for consequences of actions you choose to take.By continuing to listen, you acknowledge that this content is educational commentary, that you’re responsible for researching applicable laws in your jurisdiction, and that you’ll consult appropriate professionals before taking any action that could affect your legal, financial, or personal situation.

Turn on. Take the power back. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the True Life podcast. I hope you're all having a beautiful day. Hope the sun is shining, the birds are singing, hope the wind is at your back. Today I am joined by my friend Charlotte, a writer who sees the world through seven interconnected lenses that cut through the noise of modern life. She helps us understand how everything connects, how consequences are. really just feedback and how we can move through complexity with a little bit more clarity, presence, and meaning.

I'm excited for this one, Charlotte. Thank you for being here today. How are you? Yeah, thank you for having me. I'm doing great. We have a little bit of trade wins here on Oahu, so it feels good. It's going to be a hot one, though. It's definitely going to be a hot one.

Yeah. Shout out to Hawaii. I'm so stoked you're there. I wish I was there. I bet you all the listeners are like, what, Charlotte is in Hawaii? So stoked for that. It's such a beautiful place, right? Yeah, it's amazing.

And the simplest way for me to say how I ended up here was, I just tell people that the universe plopped me here. I followed coherence, refused to self-abandon, and the universe said, okay, we're going to give you something. And they plopped it, it plopped me here. And I'm not mad about it, even a little bit. Yeah, yeah. I've met so many cool people when I lived out there.

And the idea of being there is so spiritual. The same thing happened for me. Like I just sold everything I had and condensed my life into two black bags and just moved there. And it was such an education and just ecology and environment and relationships. And for those people that have been there, they probably know what we're talking about. for those that still haven't gone yet. It's like going to one of the most beautiful campuses on the entire planet and learning from nature.

It's so awesome there. Absolutely. For people that are intuitive and are able to connect with the spirit of nature, it's a religious experience. To say the least, I don't like saying religious, but yeah, without the dogma part. Yeah.

You're so connected to source there. Like it just seems like, at least for me, I could go on long hikes. Or I could just even go outside and look around and you feel so connected. There's just so many blues and greens and just so beautiful there. It's interesting to me that we're talking about beauty, spirituality, coherence, and just listening to the universe. And yet that's so much. There's no better place to do it.

But so much of what we're talking about now, I think dovetails with a lot of your writing. Like, I was going through your substack. And I recommend everybody check out Charlotte Petrie's substack. The links down below. There's so many cool articles on there. And it's such a different lens through which I'm used to reading things. I really think you have a unique understanding and relationship with moving through life. I'm curious about that today.

Is that always been a thing with you? Have you always seen the world a little bit different? Or is that something you developed or both? A little bit of both. It's something that I've always done even from a child, though up until a few years ago, I really didn't understand what I was doing. And then it was only in the last year that I was actually able to articulate, articulate it, put it into words, and wanted to start sharing what I see and write about it from inside the architecture of how. how I see things. Yeah. The article that I read, there was a lot of great articles that I saw,

but the one that kind of jumped out at me, first off, was like the seven lenses through which you navigating life. And I had to pause for a minute because I never thought about seeing a situation, be it a relationship or be it a conversation or just be it alone by yourself or the world around you,

as seeing it to these different lenses. and it started making so much sense. I'm like, I've never thought about it that way. But you've broken it down into these seven different lenses. It really helps, at least it helped me to understand how to interpret information from different views all simultaneously, which I don't think people think about that that often. Yeah, it's kind of like the beginning stages. Well, let me not say beginning stages.

It's part of metacognition, in a sense. And then after metacognition, it develops further a little bit. And that, of course, comes with consciously being present in those lenses. And for me personally, it's something that has just, throughout trauma in my life, it became a survival instinct, survival perceptions, that I was. able to then hone into away from survival and actually apply it just to life itself instead of surviving life. I was able to look at life finally. And when you take the survival aspect out, you really start seeing the beauty of everything. And you start seeing that it's all connected

and everything is interpreted in the relational pieces that we don't typically see. One, I guess the best leading point into it would be, I've talked about the heart brain loop. And to explain that one, so our heart has electromagnetic field that extends at least seven feet out from your dermis, from your skin. And then when you look at how the heart in the brain communicate, okay? The heart itself has its own intricate little nervous system comprised of about roughly 40,000 neurons, okay? Now, of the information traded between the heart and the brain, okay? So it's going back and forth, only 20% of that is the brain putting information into the heart. 80% is the heart feeding information up. I didn't know that. So then you look at, okay, if you're in a crowd or

just have a few people around you and they're within your electromagnetic field, your fields are feeding off of each other. So they're trading information. The heart sends that information up to the brain and then you start actually interpreting after. So it's you, there's a lot that goes into it. Just, just in that aspect. Yeah, it makes so much sense though. Like a lot of the times I'll walk into a room and I think other people are probably on the same pages is, but you can feel someone else's energy.

And that sounds a lot like your heart interpreting these, you know, these frequent that like, oh, you can kind of get a really good read on somebody. If you just sit patiently and listen, maybe take a deep breath, like kind of read the room. And there's all those things in language that talk about reading the room or following your heart or, you know, getting a sense of what someone's intentions are. And I've learned that, you know, when you do take that information into consideration consciously, you can start making a lot better decisions instead of just an analytical, right to the point decision.

Like you're leaving out a lot of information there. But let me let me bring it back a second though. I have also learned that survival through suffering teaches us some of the best lessons. And you had mentioned that some of these strategies through seeing these lenses and cultivating these ideas came from survival and suffering it sounds like. At least it sounds like to me in the way you explained it, like it was some difficult times there. Do you mind maybe sharing something that a time in your life when you began to develop these strategies?

I know that. Yeah, go ahead. So I guess the first ones would be in childhood, really. I was adopted. There was a lot of stuff. I moved out from my adoptive parents at 16. So I've been on my own since I was 16. So surviving really became, you know, the main way.

of just interacting with the world. Abusive marriage. Just, you know, a lot of things that reshaped, rewired my own nervous system towards survival, towards threat. And then it took a long time after for me to be able to convince my own nervous system. that I was safe. But once I did, just get that a little,

it wasn't a massive change. It was just finally a small click. And my nervous system was like, okay, well, we'll try. We'll try this. And a lot of that is giving your nervous system new experiences as well. So that way it's retrained towards,

oh, I don't have to. react this way. And it becomes, when you're in presence and not in survival, you become responsive instead of reactive. That is really well said. I can speak to the idea of trauma in many ways, but I remember

I remember being like a teenager still. And when my sister had a she attempted suicide and it didn't work. And I remember at that point in time, like standing over at the hospital and staring in her body and just holding her hand and being like,

don't fucking leave me. Don't leave me. And that's, but I remember like it is instances like that, be it an abusive relationship or abusive drugs or for people listening, any experience in your life where you are up against real loss or you're up against situations that you have no idea,

that are beyond your control, and there's no human way to thoroughly integrate them in the moment. Like, that's when you begin to build these incredible patterns of seeing the world differently. And I feel bad for people that go through those trauma, Charlotte, like be it abuse or for me, like lots of different loss in my life, but ultimately they kind of become the catalyst for change. They become a gift to you and like, oh, my God,

now I can see the world differently. heard a good quote that said there's tears that tears that make us cry and then there's tears that wash our eyes so we can see differently and it sounds to me like that's the only way to really begin making those changes what are your thoughts on that well so what i would say is there's we're all we all have these innate abilities okay they're they're very natural what trom does is trauma amplifies it and focuses it in on a certain category. So threat, survival, trying to find safety. And then it, like I said, it really takes conscious effort and work. It takes radical self-awareness, self-accountability, self-discipline to.

be able to rewire yourself away from that. But once you do, you don't lose that amplification that you gain from the trauma, in a sense. You just get to refocus it. So it's the same gifts we all have. Amplified and repurposed is the best way to say it. Yeah. Yeah, it's a great way to think about that aspect. I'm going to name, I want to name these.

First time, I want everyone to go to your substack and read this article because it's full of awesome information. But I'm going to read some of the what the lenses are. And maybe we can go through them a little bit. So the first one is the systems lens, like seeing the bigger picture. What does that mean? So for me, when you're talking about, you know, the human body and the electromagnetic field that we really are, we really are antennas.

Our bodies were created as antennas that pick up on the world around us, not just the energy and the air and other people, but in the earth itself. And then for me, what I personally believe and how I see things is life is a nested system all the way from the tiniest atoms to the cosmos. We're all in when you look at like the heart brain loop that I talk about every my system interacting with your system, okay, just by us being in each other's presence. Then you look at how that's going to influence those around. Then you look at the frequency of the earth and the human body as you, as you're constantly

connected. So each system is all from the micro to the macro is all influencing each other. And it's not a top down kind of influence. It is recursive. It goes through all of them. Anything that happens in the micro will influence the macro and vice versa. Yeah. That brings up another point. And I remember in some of your writings, you were talking about consequences, seeing consequences, not as a moral punishment, but just as feedback. But that's hard to do sometimes. It's like especially when you're in these in difficult situations, you know, it sounds so good on paper, but sometimes when you're in it, Charlotte, you're like,

why is it so hard? It's so hard. Because we as humans, we naturally, we want to place meaning on something. We want it, we want there to be a reason. You know, like, oh, well, I, because a lot of people, you know, if you do something and you kind of mess up and you're going to suffer the consequences, which is just feedback. So you can learn not to do that, right? It's just the nature of consequences. It's not because you're an evil person, you know. It's because you, if you do this, if you do why you get Z, you know. That's just how it works. But we want to place meaning so, oh, you know, God's, you know, God's mad at me. I mean, look at how we react like when it rains, you know. I grew up when I was a kid if it rained.

I was like, oh, God's really mad or God's sad right now, you know? Like, it goes really to that. But no, that for me, it's feedback. So you learn. You take it. You integrate it. And you move on. and you try not to do that again or do it again if it was good feedback.

Yeah. What do you do with meaning then? Like do you, do you, is that how you interpret? Like, how do you, it almost feels like I'm taking a meaningful experience away. Maybe that's just the way I think sometimes. But I think we're meaning making machines. We are. We absolutely are.

And that's something that I am really working on right now. is the meaning-making aspect of it because it's like, okay, well, I've figured out, you know, like the basic structure, okay? But I'm trying to figure out, and if anybody out there can help me with this part, you know, I'd really be happy to hear it. But it's not to take away the magic of life

and learning and experiences, but it gives us, something to hold onto, in a sense, when it is something tough. A better way of processing and integrating the information than just like, oh, no, that means I'm bad. You know? I do know. I do know. And I think that one of the things I love about finding something meaningful is it says a lot about who you're

are. Like you can ascribe meaning to almost anything. People should be aware of their pattern of meaningful things. Because I think you can change the direction of your life. You can change who you are. You can change where you want to go if you find a better meaning for something. Maybe this means I'm a dummy. Or maybe. Maybe this means I need to better understand my relationship to myself. Or maybe this means I need to interpret the patterns of a relationship. better. Those people listening out there, how you make meaningful events happen, how you ascribe meaning to them can really lead you in a direction that's either negative or positive for you. It's something that I've been working on and it's really helped me in my life.

So people are out there try that. The next step is the quantum lens. Seeing possibility and potential. Give me the breakdown here. Okay. So this one is a fun one. It's really, really fun because I've always been the spiritual girly, the words girly, okay? So never, never math, don't get it, never science, what? That, that, no, close to math, not doing it, you know, wouldn't. But then about a little over a year ago, something happened and I was really, really hitting like that. rock bottom of my spiritual shadow work in a sense.

And I happened to be scrolling and I saw this this real something, I think it was quantum entanglement and the different forms of quantum entanglement. And I just, I happen to sit and actually watch it, you know. The word scurly is. is watching a science real. And one thing I realized is, wow, okay, I understand this. This sounds the same as a few different spiritual aspects that I look at. And so I was like, okay, hold on.

So then I catch myself, middle of the night, watching quantum entanglement and quantum physics lectures on my laptop. Nice. And instead of the appropriate response for a girl like me would have been like, oh, wow, that is so cool, you know? Now, I ended up with the internal response of, oh, that's what you call that. That is what the term is here. So then I started, I was like, oh, no, okay. let me see where they connect anywhere else.

Like are there any other connections between science and spirituality? So that is really what started all of my writing at this point because it was like, oh, the truth is in the connection and those pieces that we do not typically look at. One of my favorite things to say at that point was, if we, we would just remove the boxes, the man-made boxes off of everything, science, spirituality, consciousness. We would actually see where they connect. They would connect themselves, and that is actually physics. All those labels. Yeah, it's been a journey, a very fun, interesting journey.

Yeah, it is. Sometimes I feel like it's really easy to get caught up in the future or live in the past. But, you know, if you just enjoy every step of it along the way, every step along the way, you can learn something. If you can be in the moment right there. I love that you said the truth is in the connections. That hits home for me. Can you unpack that a little bit more?

So for me, I would see it as the connection is the relational aspect between, which is part of the unseen. A lot of science right now is it's still considered, you know, oh, it's metaphysics. But thankfully, I'm really excited that science is starting to catch up. And they're starting to really be able to measure and see that. where they couldn't before, which is changing how we actually view science at this point and spirituality. Yeah. I think there are opposite sides of the same coin. You know, for a long time, science would throw out anything you couldn't measure. If all you can't measure it, it doesn't exist. But that seems like a pretty faulty premise to me. Yeah. They, they, um, I like to say that.

they are two different languages saying the exact same thing. I'll write that one down here. Well said. And that makes a lot of sense, too, because if you listen to people that speak other languages, they can say something radically different with like the verb in front of the noun or the noun in front of the verb.

And if you translate it literally, it makes no sense, but they're saying the exact same thing. That's a beautiful way to put it there. Do you speak multiple languages? How do you know? know that? I studied French. I can't speak a look of it really anymore. Don't have any French friends. I have one French friend, but we speak in English, so I don't get to practice my French. I do now that I'm here. I want to learn Korean, I think, would be the one that I want to learn, which is going to be a hard one, but I think I can do it. Yeah. Yeah, that's the thing that, like, Hawaii is such a melting pot of, like, East Asian culture. There's so many different, just ways of being over there to be submerged in it, especially for me coming from California.

I had no idea that, like, and this may sound bad, but I just tell everybody. I remember when I first went to Hawaii, I was on my route and I had an incident with a gentleman, and he called in this complaint on. me. My boss says, George, was the guy Japanese or was he like Filipino? And I'm like, dude, I don't know. And the guy looked at me like I was crazy. He's like, you don't know the difference, George, between someone. And at that time, like, I didn't, I didn't know. I didn't know. Like, I was so humbled and like, I don't. But it speaks to this idea of understanding cultures and dialects and language. And it's interesting to think how big the world is out there. And it's interesting. and how many different cultures influence us

and how easy it is to be, to miscommunicate with somebody. You know, you see the wrong thing to the wrong person. It can be interpreted through a different cultural thing that can be incredibly disrespectful without you trying to be disrespectful. So it's kind of a little birdwalking there. You pile on most people will react to what you say

and like they perceive it through their trauma or, like you said, through their culture. Yeah. And, you know, that's another one of those lenses that people perceive the world through. It's one of the social ones. Yeah. It's kind of amazing to think, like, how good we actually get along without really communicating effectively with each other. It's kind of impressive.

Like, well, you guys can make it this far? Yeah, the fact that we haven't completely imploded the world yet is kind of funny. Oh, my goodness. Yeah. That kind of what, so the next lens coming up is the consciousness lens, like seeing inner experience. And this is one that I go down this rabbit hole all the time. How do I interpret my own experience? And is that relatable to reality itself?

but what is your breakdown on the consciousness lens and seeing the inner experience? So my inner experience, and this is something that I've learned, especially with neurodivergent type people, we're more prone to watching ourselves through everything that we do. So we always have ourselves talking in our head.

And I was like, well, if I'm watching myself, why don't I intervene, you know, when I'm doing some, you know, about to do something. And then I kind of realized that that is my consciousness watching, in a sense, and it's highly influenced by your nervous system. So the nervous system and the heart brain loop comes back into play here again. So when you are what I like to call an alignment, so you're not feeding your trauma, your survival instincts, and you're focusing on your own center, okay? And by your own center, I don't mean being selfish. I mean actually just coming in and into yourself. You don't, you lift out of the cultural lens, the societal lens, the survival lenses that you develop. And you can make a, your actions, your thoughts, and your words are going to start aligning with who you really are.

and when I was able to consciously become present with myself in that way is when I really started being able to make the changes. Now with consciousness itself, well, that is such a deep subject that I am constantly exploring and evaluating and I don't have all the answers for it yet. I don't know if I ever will. But it's a deep subject. Your consciousness is not your soul. It's separate. It's not the exact same thing. I do know that.

I really wouldn't know the best way in this moment to describe it, unfortunately. It's not unfortunate. I think it's a beautiful answer. I sometimes I default to awareness when I start thinking about these big topics like consciousness. I default to something that I can sort of get my arms around

and that seems to be awareness. And this brings me to something you said just a moment ago. You said that you sometimes default to seeing yourself outside of yourself. Like you take yourself out of the actual picture and you observe what's happening. That's a pretty advanced technique to get through situations, to see yourself.

What does that look like? I mean, I've had some experience, a lot of experience with psychedelics that do that exact same thing. For me in the psychedelic state, it allows me to, this is metaphorically, but like rise above myself or to see myself outside of myself and be like, oh, I can see my actions without judgment. I can see my actions without any shame.

or guilt, I just see it happening. And I'm like, oh, you see the truth. You see the truth of what's happening. Yep. Yeah, even like even right now, I'm literally watching myself sitting here at this picnic bench. Talking with you and your listeners. And I don't know. I'm still, honestly, it's been doing it really my whole life.

I've only been consciously doing it for about a year. year and I'm still getting used to it because it really is something else because it does kind of strip the ego it takes the ego away because the ego is really the brain it's here and when I get to pull myself outside and watch myself I'm seeing that like you like you said You're actually seeing the truth of what is happening. It's not, oh, well, this is happening to me. No, this is what is happening. And I get to choose how I'm going to respond.

And it's a much better viewpoint up there. You can see more. It's so true. It's so true. It's like you have this one, and I know through my own experience, and it seems through many people that I have spoken to, it's really easy to get caught up in this one-dimensional thinking where I'm just George, I'm going to my life, this is what it is.

But if you can find a way, be it through breathwork or psychedelics or meditation, or for most of us suffering and survival, you begin to develop this new lens, this consciousness lens where you can see it for something true enough, where you can really see your actions and the consequences of your actions and the beauty of your actions. And I'm sure actions inspire inside of other people. Yeah, you get to see how your actions, your words, even your vibrational responses to people without words,

because words are only a small portion of actual communication. So you actually, you really do get to see and choose how you interact. with the world around you. Because you get that vantage point. So I can see, okay, well, I'm showing up in this energy right now. Well, it's affecting this person over here in a negative way. That's not what I want to do. So what happens?

We have to pivot. We have to fix it inside ourselves. But this is where that radical self-awareness, self-accountability, self-discipline, come in. If you do not do those things, if you're afraid, if you do not want to face yourself, if you are just holding on too tight to your ego, you're not going to be able to do that. See, this takes me back to the beginning of our conversation where we spoke about some difficult times in our lives. And those situations force you to separate. They force you to see outside yourself.

Maybe it's a defense mechanism when you're younger or something like that. But situations that are really difficult or maybe truly inspirational, they actually pull you outside of yourself and force you to see things in a different way, which seems like an evolution of the ego if you're asking me, hopefully. Yeah, it's the ego. The ego is trying to protect you. Okay. that is essentially the part of you that is trying to keep you safe.

So with the ego, once you realize and you face your ego and you see what and why your ego is responding or reacting in a certain way, this is where awareness, self-awareness comes in. You look at it. You have to be able to look at the why. And then you have to hold yourself, your ego accountable. Okay, this is what we did. This is what happened. That's not okay. We don't want to do this. So why did we do this? And we look at it. And most, a lot of the time, it is just our ego trying to protect us, trying to keep us from being hurt or feeling shame or any of these things. But it's more, that's usually a lot of the time, the inner child. So when you look at your ego in that way, you can actually look at it with love and acceptance and say, it's okay.

We are safe and this is okay for us. And a lot of times that will calm the ego down, the inner child that's scared and trying to keep you from living life to the fullest. That's not what it's really trying to do. It's just trying to protect you. So that's another thing that is really so much fun to work on. It's so much fun. I love this.

I do that sometimes. Sometimes when I mean my wife are joking around. And like, if we get on me with those nerves, she'll be like, I love you so much. You know, like, but it's funny to think about. I love that breakdown of the inner child. I know in my life so much of the things that bring me shame or that I run up against a situation where I feel a certain way. And it's usually the root cause is something similar that happened when I was young.

I triggered me. Like, I'm not even reacting to the situation. I'm reacting to something that happened 10 or 20 years ago or five years ago. And it's like, oh. And then that observer response comes back in again. If you can pull yourself back out and realize I'm not even. reacting to this situation. I'm reacting to a situation that happened between a different individual seven years ago that I never resolved. Just that thought alone can snap you out to

be calm and clear and be like, okay, it's okay, little George, that's not going to happen again. Let's move forward with this conversation and not bring her. Yeah, exactly. You have, and you pull yourself into presence. And that's one of the advantages of looking at yourself from outside of yourself is you actually get to see what part of you is responding, reacting, and being influenced by the situation that you are in in any moment. It takes a lot of practice to be able to be fully present and outside of yourself and watching. It's a lot, but it is life-changing. It really is. Yeah. It's well. said, it's, that's something that I think you do in all of our conversations, be it like talking

online or talking in person, like I think you really develop this ability to shift through all those lenses so quickly. Like you're interpreting information and seeing things to all of these lenses that we've covered a few so far, but is that second nature to you? Obviously, you had mentioned that it came through these different sort of trials and tribulations, but how does that look when you, when you do it? The reflex is pretty just natural. The focus I had to develop, like I said, I had to pull it away from survivals looking for safety to now focused on observing myself and those in my vicinity. And then always there's a thousand background tabs running. Totally, totally.

You know, I'm planning on, okay, well, what am I going to write about? What am I going to research? You know, mental notes of, oh, this will be a fun topic. Yeah. But, you know, stuff like that, typically, that is always ever running in my head. And yes, it's very much just an automatic reflex at this point. Yeah. that's a great way to put it.

Like you have all these open tabs running. You just shift between them. Like, oh, yeah, this one, this one. The problem for me is sometimes I can't close one of those tabs and they just keep running. And I got running in the background. And it's playing the gummy bear song and you can't find it to turn it off. You can't find it.

Just nonstop loop. Shut up, gummy bear song. I don't want to hear that right now. What do you do with that? What do you do with those voices? that can play on that loop like that? Is there a certain technique or what do you do when those voices come and you can't shut them down? It depends.

It depends on where it is coming from. So if it is coming from a part of myself, I have full control of that. So I can. What does that mean coming from a part of yourself? So if it's my ego or, you know, like that's playing something in the background, you know, oh, well, you don't belong here. You know, who are you to write up? Like, this is something, the imposter syndrome.

I deal with that constantly because having no formal educational background and being self-taught, I had to learn to give myself permission. And with that, I have to constantly remind myself, like, I don't have to get permission to know what I know. That's right. So I had to start giving myself permission. Now, if it's something outside of me, being the environmental, social, corporate, something like that, I really don't have a lot of control over what is happening there. I only have control over how I respond.

So I will just shift my focus. And usually if I shift my focus long enough, it will. kind of just dissipate and fade into the background completely. That's good advice. Trying to pinpoint the idea if it's internal or external, like where is this coming from? Locating the source is a great way to understand what the message or who the message is coming from. Like, is this my message?

Is this somebody else's a message? Yeah. Is this something that I need to work? Is this myself? Do I need to work with myself on something? right now, you know, do I need to give myself a little pep talk? Or do I, you know, is it something that I can, you know, say, okay, I'll deal with this later, you know, something outside of myself? The biggest thing is trying to figure out if it's something that I actually have control over.

And one thing I always, I will die on this hill is that the only thing you will ever, be able to control is yourself. That's it. But most people are not in control of themselves. Their ego is. Their inner child, their trauma is in a majority of the cases, unfortunately. I have this idea that people that have who have faced difficult traumas in their life, like life-changing traumas in their life

are taught the lesson of how to hold uncertainty and the people that haven't gone through them. Like sometimes I'll see, I've talked to quite a few people. I was working with, I was working with a company called Iboga Seiz with Lachmi. If you're curious about Iboga, people should check out Awake.net

and look up Lachmi. She's brilliant. She has so many great connections. Lockhmi, I love you. you're a credible human being. Her and I were working together on this, helping people in addiction with Iboga. And I remember talking to some people

that were deep in the throes of addiction. And some of the things they would say were so profound with this idea of certainty. Like better than doctors that I have talked to, like the way that they were able to hold uncertainty. Like I get goosebumps when I think about it. I'm like, dude, this person is, has, they're at the doorstep.

Like, they understand uncertainty. and how to live with it. Like they don't know where anything's coming. And I would ask them these questions, like, aren't you afraid of like not knowing where someone's going to, where you can find help? Aren't you afraid of not knowing this? And they're like, I can't control that.

I can control what I do. And like, you could hear the wisdom in their voice. Like, that's someone who has lived with uncertainty. And I think so many people that are certain, and so many professionals that we have, and so many people with letters after their name, It just, it bothers me so bad that they're so certain about things. I'm like, this person in addiction is so much more than you.

Isn't that interesting to think about the level of uncertainty and suffering? Yeah, no, absolutely. And that's one of the things. So as somebody that's been dealing with traumatizing events, you know, since childhood all the way up until like about two years ago was the last big one. For me, my entire life is uncertain, was uncertain. I didn't know if I was going to be okay. Moved out at 16.

I didn't know if I was going to make it. You know, got married, things turned bad. I didn't know if I was going to stay or leave. I left. I didn't know if I was going to be able to make it on my own with two children. You know, all of the things, you, you know, you love. learn, I think that's part of what ends up amplifying your abilities to perceive the world around you, is exactly that. Being able to live in uncertainty and the ability to pivot in the moment,

it's, it becomes a reflex that we are able to, that we develop to survive. Somebody that's lived in comfort, you know, you know, great. I'm so happy for these people. people. Okay. If you had a safe childhood, great parents, you know, grew up, got married, you know, everything's good. Love that. Love that. But they never have, those people never have to develop these abilities. Yeah. It's like a muscle. Like those skill sets atrophy unless you use them. But if you use them all the time, you get really good. And that comes from. uncertainty. They are certain that their mom and dad are going to protect them. They are certain that they go to school, they do this, they are going to get that job. They are certain that, you know,

things are going to work with their spouse. They, that they pick the right one. All of these things, like the certainty, it locks them in, but they do not develop these other ways of seeing. They don't have to develop the awareness that those that go through trauma deal. Yeah. That's well said. Hmm. And I'm sure that everybody, even the most privileged person you can think of, they have their own traumas they're dealing with.

That's what I tell myself. But, you know, they have their own things they're working through. But I don't, it just seems to me, I talk to a lot of people that have been through some really difficult times. and I admire their relationship with uncertainty in a way that I don't see in other people. But I want to make that. I know that everybody's going through their own issues and traumas and stuff like that. Well, it's everybody's, everybody's perception, okay? Yeah.

So, and this is not going to, this is not me minimizing anything for anybody, okay? Yeah, yeah. But the way that people that have had certainty in their, their, their, their, life, the way that they're going to experience a minimally traumatic event is going to hit their system harder. They're not accustomed to it. But a lot of times, given the right tools, their recovery is very quick because they do get to go back into that certainty. It's one of those things where it's kind of like the difference between PTSD and C.P.S.D.

I don't know what C.P.T.S.D. is? So we have PTSD. And then C.P.T.S.D is complex PTSD. So it's literally the difference between somebody having a one-time traumatic experience that does, it hits their nervous system. It completely rewires it. Versus C-PtSD is somebody. that has lived inside trauma for days, months, years. So those are the differences between the two. And the way it rewires the nervous system is a little bit different. It gets more down to the root of the system, in a sense. So it does take a little bit more to claw your way out of it.

Yeah. And those patterns become ingrained and you just becomes identity. A lot of people would sit there and say, oh, well, this is just how I am. Yeah. This is what my trauma made me. Is that someone who's not dealing with answers? That's somebody that doesn't want to... take the self-responsibility for their own healing.

Yeah. I always look at it from one technique that I use for people out there. Maybe people can use this in their life is, and this is sort of my way to moving to the observer lens, is that what if your life, what if you are the main character and the greatest story ever told, what would that look like? It wouldn't be a linear path.

It would be like, you would go through this thing, it would be devastated. And then you would come back. Yeah. Yeah. Like, and I try to look at that whenever I find myself

on the cliff edge and slipping and falling. It's like, okay, what's my character arc? Yeah, I failed huge right here. That was gigantic, but, you know, circumstances don't make a person

they reveal them. And wouldn't it be a great story? Everybody loves a comeback story. And the harder and deeper you fall, the more powerful your story is when you rise back up and you get back up off the ground. That helps me, you know, see myself as like, okay, I'm the character in this story. How do I get, how do I move past this?

Instead of just saying, oh, I'm down at the bottom of the cliff now. I guess this is where the story in. Yeah. It's interesting. Oh, and I love that. I love that you do that. And I'll tell you, um, the universe really does love an underdog. Yeah.

Okay. The universe really, really loves the underdogs. So that's one of the things I like to, you know, like kind of lean on a little bit. Do I have absolute proof for that? No, absolutely not. But you know what? I'm rocking with it for now. Yeah.

Unless I'm shown something different, I'm going to stick with that one. But it's one of those things that makes it easier to embrace the hard times. So that way, when you do find your son. you know, hanging off of the cliff, you can sit there and be like, okay, well, as an underdog, you know, this would be, this would be that point. So what would, what, what do I do as myself to, to fulfill and stay in, in who I am? And instead of just releasing and letting go, you're going to find a footing and you're going to pull yourself up. So, yes, I absolutely love that. that should be someone out there listening

someone should make that t-shirt the universe loves an underdog that should be a bumper sticker send me one yes it's bold one man man I got um let's move to this

to the next lens which is the intelligence lens seeing how systems respond yes okay so this goes back into the relational in between because that's where you get to watch.

Okay, so something as simple as interactions with people. So you get to, you know, because you're outside of yourself, you're watching yourself while experiencing everything and being present. So you get to sense how your system is operating in the truth of it, okay? But you also get to see the other person. system and the relation between and what's happening there, how your energy is influencing theirs. And I don't mean that in a woo-woo, you know, way, but it's an actual physical energy that we, that our electromagnetic fields give to each other when we're in close proximity.

So watching how things influence. And then one of the things that I've talked about a lot is corporate inhumanity. It's one of the man-made systems that I will probably always talk about because it throws us, it throws the human system so far out of whack. So we Biologically we were not meant To be the Run through these systems and adhere to these metrics and be extracted from Yeah

Okay, but these systems do that to us Okay And you get to When you look at it over time You see what it's done To the human system and how far it actually goes down. It just doesn't stay with that one person. It affects their family. It affects how they show up in the world. So therefore, it really is influencing all

these other systems. And it's tragic, but you can see it if you look. And it's not sitting there inside the corporate system. It's not sitting there inside the human system. It's happening in that relational field between. I've lived it. And I see it to this day. I work at a casino. And it's interesting to see. And it doesn't have to be a casino.

I could probably give you better examples at UPS, which was a Fortune 500 company. And what would happen is that, like the people at the very top and the board of directors, they would hand down rules and regulations and laws and all these protocols. calls, but they were aimed at treating the person like a number.

When you treat a person like a number, you strip the humanity completely out of it. And it doesn't stay in the workplace. It causes tension between like the middle managers and someone who is an employee. And they start treating each other with such disrespect and contempt. When I was at UPS, they had metal detectors and Bob Wire Gates because the management team was afraid drivers were going to come in there and kill them. I was in UPS multiple times when drivers threatened to murder this guy and his family. I'll never forget.

I was sitting in the office and this guy is like, I'm going to fucking kill you and your family. And I was like, whoa, whoa. You know, and I, like, I knew the guy well. And like, it wasn't so much that the manager hated him. They didn't hate each other. They hated the system they were in. And if you can pull back and see that, I'm like, dude, this guy's ready to kill his family. Like, maybe he wasn't going to do it.

do it, but he said out loud to the guy's face. Yeah, but that's the energy he was holding and he was submitting. And that's what he's putting out into the world. That's what he's internalizing. Yep. And then now the manager is going home carrying this energy with him, okay, to his home, around his family. And it's going to affect how he's going to interact moving forward with the world.

Same thing with this guy. It's changing his perception. And he's going to go home to his family possibly with this anger and carrying that there. And then guess what? All those people that they're touching with that energy, they're going out into the world with these perceptions now. It's contagious. Like once that energy erupts, it's contagious.

Yep. Systems that are built on extraction. from humanity are literally built to collapse. And you don't even have to lift a finger. They end up collapsing on their own. How do you change that? It seems like so ginormous, Sharla, I start thinking about it.

Like if the whole system is built on this, can it be an easy change? Can we shift our frequencies? Can we start? Can that energy be as easy to transmit anger as it can be to transmit like beauty? Can we just flip it on his head? So it's so simple yet so not easy, okay?

It starts with the self, with everybody. It starts with self-awareness, self-accountability, self-responsibility, self-discipline. If you do not do those things, you're not. helping. And no, you can't blame the next guy. Because how are you showing up? You're showing up with the same chaotic energy as the other person. No. It is how I choose to show up is the only thing I can control. The only thing you can control is yourself. And that's where your ultimate power lies. Is in the self. If you think about it this way, okay?

If everybody would take that self, all the selves, okay? Accountability, awareness, all of it. Responsibility, discipline, all for the self. How many more people would be showing up more present? Half of our turmoil is everybody's trying to blame everything except for themselves. So true. Yeah. I can't control how you're going to show.

show up. I can't control how I show up. Only you can control how you're going to show up and be present. So simple, but not easy. Yeah. I think there was, I think it was von Klauschwitz, like this famous general who said, everything in war, or the objective of war is easy, but everything in war is hard. You know, it's like, it's like it's easy, but it's incredibly difficult. Yeah, let's go to war with these guys, you know? Yeah. But, no, then you have to talk strategy. Then you actually have to carry the weight of, you know, having to take lives, having to, you know, give those orders.

Yeah. And, you know, you really don't want to give, but you have to do it. Yeah. I talked to lots of veterans that have gone through some psychedelic therapy and, so. Some of the stories they tell, my father included, my father was in Vietnam. He got a purple heart. And to hear him talk stories about what happened over there and why he was over there. And to try to make sense of killing, you know, like I, I don't know how people are supposed to integrate that into their lives in any way.

You know, it's, it's so traumatic. Yeah. It's I cannot speak on war As I haven't personally had to go through it Right It's not an experience that I Am able to really trace

I know the general ideas Of What happens to the nervous system When you have to go absolutely against Your Your humanity you know and unfortunately in war in corporate world and just in life they force people out to abandon their own humanity constantly and to treat other humans inhumanely one of I guess you could say my biggest goals would be

to bring humanity back to humans again Yeah. And then we're right back to what you said about the self-awareness, self-accountability, self-responsibility. It's recursive. I don't, this is one of the things when my AI laughs at me all the time. Because I don't think or process anything or integrate anything linearly. It's always recursive. And I come back to the same ideas and it's deeper. There's another layer that I'm uncovered. and it's fascinating. It really is. I agree. This sort of brings us up to the next one,

which is like the lived experience lens. Sounds like I've covered it a little bit, but maybe you could speak to this idea of the lived experience, seeing through the embodied knowing. So that is when you're able to be present. So when you're present,

you're able to really understand what you're living through. And if you haven't been able to be present, because a lot of times life pulls us out of being present, we will abandon self so we don't have to deal with the feelings of having to do this, do that. You know, half the time our body, our self actually needs rest, but guess what? We are needing to get up, go to work, because we got bills to pay, we got kids to take care of, you know, X, Y, Z.

That's a very small example of it. But even if you haven't been able to before, once you're able to and you look in the past, you're able to see the experiences for what they really. really were. And it helps you to be able to understand your now. The hard part is not getting stuck there in the past lived experiences to where you can be present in the current, what you're experiencing like for me right now being able to talk to you on your podcasts, you know. We're talking about things that I've done, things that I've written about, things I've discovered, but I'm still present here with you right now. And the lived experience brings you a lens, the interpretation, the meaning that we as people give to life.

So this is kind of where the human magic gets to happen. And I'm still trying, for me personally, I'm still trying to, for me personally, I'm still trying to figure out the meaning of. I just know for me the lived experience gives me more truth when I'm able to apply all the other lenses with it. By itself, if you use that lens all on its own, it can feed delusion and fantasy. That's one of the things that I, why I use all of the lenses together. If I look at everything else, I'm only intellectualizing, but adding lived experience brings it home, something that my body can integrate, my heart can digest, and my mind can articulate. Yeah. Maybe that's the foundation of intuition, the lived experience, like this

knowing, like, you have this idea, like this, sometimes I have this knowing of like, well, why do I think that. And I'm like, oh, this is what happened in the past. Whenever I got into a similar situation here, this has been my lived experience of this thing that looks like a precursor. But yeah, there's no substitute for experience. You can read every book out there on how to do anything. But unless you've experienced it, you don't know. Or allow yourself to experience it. Well said. Yeah. sometimes we don't allow ourselves to actually embody the experience.

Can you give me an example of that? Okay. So recently, very, very recently, I went through a trying time with family. And it would have been very easy to kind of disassociate so I'm not actually experiencing. what's happening, which is something that, you know, a lot of trauma survivors we're really good at. We can be very much here, but not here. So while it's happening to us, we're still not experiencing it. So it's choosing, I had to choose, even in that time, to stay with it and experience it.

and make the conscious choice to move through it without self-abandoning, both myself or allowing other people to pull me away from myself. I know who I am, and I did not want to become reactive. So there is a lot of, it takes a lot. It takes a lot to stay and choose to go through the harder ones. It's easy for us to choose to stay and be present in the fun times when things are going good. But a lot of the real learning comes from choosing to stay with yourself when you'd rather self-abandoned. Yeah.

There's so many ways to do it too. Basically, you can say it's really funny. I can laugh about it now. It's been about a month since it happened. But my family is very dogmatically religious. Very, very much so. And because of how I see the world, because I don't see it through their worldview.

My birth family, who I went to go and try to assist my grandparents through a hard time, well, they decided that I was an evil Leviathan spirit. Whoa. So I ended up... Pretty much you could say homeless. Because I'd packed up, left Texas and went to Washington State. Get, got rid of everything I had. And, yeah, ended up dealing with that.

Thankfully, the universe always provides. And a good friend from high school showed up for me. A friend here found out about my situation And it was like, look, I have a spare room If you can get here, you can have it So figured out away here and got here And that's why I really do say that the universe Just plopped me here

Yeah But I also believe And this could very well be My human meaning making you know, coming into play, that it's because I did not self-abandon and I stayed in coherence. Instead of rushing to defend myself or fight back when everything was happening with my family, I chose coherence. I chose to stay in alignment with my truth.

And I was only able to do that because I did not self-abandoned. Because I stayed there and consciously every moment made that choice. Now, it could just be that everything, that this was a coincidence that all of this stuff ended up lining up. I personally don't think so. Can I prove it? No, I can't prove it. But. Yeah.

I don't believe in coincidences. I think a coincidence is what you get when you apply a bad theory. Yeah. I guess the next lens is the spirituality lens, the seeing meaning and connection, which we kind of segueed into pretty without a coincidence, I guess. Yeah. My spiritual belief is very, very simple.

I believe that we are all extensions of, source and when you center in yourself you're actually connecting yourself to source to where we all come from where all of our consciousness our souls extend from so for me that that is my belief you can call you can call source god you can place whatever name you want the universe The cosmos, you know, the almighty, you can, whatever, whatever flows to your boat. I like to say source or the universe just because, you know, spiritual dogma has kind of ruined the title of God to form me personally. And that's something I'm working on myself with, but it's, it's, it. It leads to the interconnectedness of the universe of everything.

And it brings the nested systems theory of the universe kind of more into focus because you see how everything is connected. And when you apply the spiritual lens, that's where you get to see the connective tissue between everything. for me. That's where it all lies. And when you look at life with that kind of meaning, that everything you touch, every moment that you're interacting with a person or place, the thing, it takes away the religious aspect and it takes away the meaningless,

It's an empty machine. And it brings life and love back it. So for me, that's part of what drives me. And I don't quite understand it fully. And I may never, but I am not going to give up looking in trying to understand how it all works. It's so interesting to hear about. the connection of all things and source.

And behind you, there are this incredible tree that I feel like is talking to me with its branches just like deep into the ground and then coming right back over like that. I love these. It's like an umbrella that the land gave you to protect you from the UV rays here. Yeah. Yeah. They're so magnificent. But it makes me think of source.

It makes me think of everything's connected from the root system to the leaves that fall on the ground and then sort of create a rich compost for another ecosystem to evolve. It's interesting that you say that. Boom. There's an example like right there, right there. All the way from the micro to the macro. Yeah. From the tiniest ant to the cosmos.

It's all interconnected. It all influences each other. all of it. Yeah, I liked it. I think it was Alan Watts who said, you don't come into this world, you come out of it. You know,

that's always just, I just always held on to that. Like, it's such a brilliant idea that, like, you're part of this whole magnificent creation. You're part of Charla and George and the tree behind you and the world.

Like, you are part of it. You are part, and you are an important part of this ecosystem. Like all of us. We all know. We all are so. important and when you look at it that way and this could just be you know romanticizing the idea but

one thing i love to think about is just how beautiful it would be if everybody would show up with that self-awareness and self-responsibility and just how much more intentional every interaction would be. I think it would do the radical changes that would happen. One thing I've learned about coherence is that coherence begets coherence. So one coherent person acts as a tuning fork. So other people will naturally either be drawn up to become coherent, up to that frequency that that coherent person is at,

or they can't be there and they go, they just go, oh, wait. So. I love that analogy. Yeah. The idea of a tuning fork. And earlier you had mentioned about the vibrations in which we can sense from each other. I think that pairs nicely with the idea of the tuning fork about, you know, which you put out, you're attracting back in and vice versa. Yeah.

And if we show up that way, if you think about how fast we influence each other, like the example we talked about with the UPS guide. Think about that kind of a situation but reverse. Think about people showing up intentionally, positively, with full self-accountability and self-awareness. Even the systems that we live in, the man-made system specifically, is what I'm talking about. all of the different ones that we have would be completely remodeled. Because once people, again, this is a dream of mine, is that people actually become this way. It becomes a, at least for half or a part of us, we would influence others. and then the systems are rewritten.

Humanity is brought back to people again and extended. Something I think about a lot. And one thing I can say is, for the most part, they do live Aloha here, which is the closest thing that we have on this planet, really, to the vision I have. Now, of course, even here in Paradise, you have, you know, you have racism, you have violence, you have death, the place that I just started working. There was a guy that was stabbed two weeks ago right outside the store, right outside the store, died. So even in paradise, there's things that aren't so great. But unfortunately, we do have to have balance, okay?

Because you don't know something's good if you've never experienced something bad, right? Yeah, true. Something I'm still trying to come to terms with, okay? I want it all to be hunky dory all the time. I know. But it's just not the way the world works. Yeah. Yeah.

I struggle with balance, too. sometimes my head is so far in the clouds and I just see the beauty in everything. And other times I'm way down on the floor. Like this is out of control. But maybe the idea of balance isn't in the short term. Maybe the idea of balance comes later in life when you get to look back at the entire picture

and you're like, oh, it was balanced. It just seemed like up and down at the moment. But if I look at it over the course of a lifetime, there was balance. Maybe it's learning to balance. I think we all struggle with that on some aspect. You know, the idea of, one thing that I learned in Hawaii is like the idea of being humbled. Like there was so many times where I really learned a lot about myself.

And a lot of the time that came from the ocean, like just being out in the ocean and just being humbled, like being held underwater for long periods where I didn't think I was going to be able to get back up. getting caught in a riptide with my daughter and being swept out to see trying to figure, and for a moment, it's like, this could be it right here. You can be swept out right here.

But I don't know, I always equate Hawaii with teaching me lessons in humility. I'm grateful for them. That brings us to number seven, Charla, the relational lens, the connective tissue. I think we've spoken a little bit about it,

But how else would you break that down? So that for me is not just seeing, not just seeing what I'm looking at. Okay. So whether it is a situation or a person, I look at everything that they're connected to. But not just what they're connected to, how they're connected to it. So the energy that is in between, so to speak. When you get good at reading people and people's energies, you can start kind of picking apart what is really theirs and what was put there by society,

by another person, by trauma. you can start and that's how you end up seeing and knowing how to respond to other people in a way that doesn't trigger them in a sense. So instead of speaking to their trauma or their culture in a sense, even though culture is a very big part, but you get to actually speak to the person, the actual person that is there underneath. So for me, when I talk to,

because I have friends that, like, every time they're going through something, they're calling, Charlotte, this is what's going on, what do I do? What's going on? Of course. Yeah. Even people that I don't even know, they come and they're like, look, this is what I'm dealing with.

And sometimes it's not even something bad. It's just like they're trying to figure something out. And even like meeting new people, you know, it's so intuitive. It's hard to explain that you just know. but I don't just know because it's these lenses that are used in such a way by my system that I'm able to separate the person from their pain, from their hurt, and I can actually see who they are. And even when they're acting out, like with my family, what happened with my family, I couldn't even be upset with them.

I could not bring it upon myself to even say something remotely defensive or aggressive towards them. I could only say, I love you, and walk away. Because I saw why and how they were responding. I could see what they were seeing through their own lenses. But I also saw that they had, they had some glasses on. They weren't using their own eyes. So then it didn't become a personal attack on me. It's just what that person is dealing with.

And that's just kind of an example of the connection. You have to look at how things are connected. connected to a person or a place in order to be able to know how it works, what healing needs to be done, how to appropriately respond without causing more damage, but also not feeding into their delusions as well. That makes sense. I don't know if it does. Yeah.

Sometimes I think I just go in circle. No, I think it's an incredible way and present way to respond to something like that. That takes a lot of, first off, patience. And second off, separating yourself from all the emotions that are flying to the room at that moment to see the signal through the noise. Like, oh, I'm not talking to George. I'm not talking to Sharla right now. I'm talking to Sharla's anger.

I'm not talking to George right now. I'm talking to Georgia's anxiety. I'm talking to George's inner child over here. How do I break through that noise and get to the person? I've written down some notes. Like what I wrote down was maybe in a conversation, you could say something like, look, I want to talk to George. Not George's anger.

Not George's insecurities. I want to talk to George. And if someone said that to me, that would help alleviate. That would almost help me. put on those glasses of like, okay, let me take off the anger glass. Let me take off this insecurity glass. Okay, now I'm here. Now I'm present. And that's a way of being a tuning fork for another person. Yes. And it's done in such a loving way. Yeah. It breaks down the defenses. And it creates a safe space for George to show up without

the ego, without the trauma, without the anger. And when George shows up as George, or Charlotte shows up as Charlotte, we can even articulate and see our own anger and see where it's coming from. People don't grow in isolation. They grow by having other people. coherent mirrors. It's interesting to think that you could be surrounded by people you love

and still be isolated. That hits home for me. And many times it's self-isolation. Maybe abandoning yourself like you said you had mentioned earlier. It's easy. It's easy to not be present. It takes work.

Be in the moment with someone you love talking about something meaningful. Yeah. It's very easy. but it's very, very costly at the end of the day. The work itself that you have to do with yourself, it's not easy or pleasant initially.

And to be honest, you're never done doing it. It's a constant. It is a choice that you have to make in every moment. it's not something that you just do this day and then oh tomorrow i'm healed i ain't got to do it no no you still have to show up you still have to be present and you still have to hold yourself accountable and you still have to take self responsibility if you don't then you just had one really good day but that doesn't and that doesn't retrain the nervous system it doesn't rewire the networks. I like to think of, I like to think that when I show up in that way, no matter what I'm doing,

if I'm showing up as at work or with my children or my friends or even my roommates here, even with my family. I like to think that even if they can't see it now, that I've given them a presence and an energy that they can reflect back on later. And I like to think that there's a lot of other people out there that are doing the same thing. And I like to think that

just like with how we influence each other in negative ways. I like to think that it's going to make an impact, paying it forward energetically, so to speak. I think that's how it's done. I want to get to, I guess a couple of people here that want to chime in over here, Charlotte. Let's get down and see what the chat is saying over here. I got Mike from Austin, Texas. He says, at what point does MetaVearnie?

become science. I think you're speaking to the idea that both you and I have been using different metaphor to explain things. But maybe speaking to the idea of spirituality and science, but I'll just put the question to you. At what point does metaphor become science? It's all connected, really, is how I see it. So different languages.

Science is one way. It's the exploration and the same thing. study of life itself. Metaphor is a way that we use to talk about or explain something else. So while science is very factual, it is also very far behind. And it is, what's the right word for it? Very restricted. those man-made boxes that I talked about in the beginning. So whether they are the same or whether it's just your lived experience, I know one thing for me personally, and this doesn't always apply to everybody,

but for me, my lived experience tells me a lot more, and I've learned a lot more from that. than by what science says, oh, well, we don't know. Lived experience will tell you, especially if you look through the lenses. Yeah, I was going to speak to that, Mike. I would say, science is, you can't do it on analytics alone. You can't take the numbers and works great for some things, But it leaves out so many unknown variables that can't be measured.

Like it's sort of looking through a blurry lens. And even though you get it right sometimes, science has done some amazing things for us. But I think it leaves out. Of course. Of course. Of course. Next up is I got Jessica.

Jessica coming to us from Phoenix, Arizona. She says, I've watched hundreds of people die. Where does your model fit into what happens in those. final moments. Oh, Jessica, that is a tough one. Okay. With those final moments with people, now that depends if we're speaking on the person that's passing,

the person that is watching a person passing, it goes into the observer and the observed. So to adequately answer, I would really need to know which part I am addressing. She says she's a nurse. A nurse. Okay. Well, thank you so much for what you do because we definitely need amazing nurses out there.

Thank you, Jessica. Very much vital. So what I would say to you as a nurse is that your presence at the end for these people, okay? And I know not all of them are quiet. A lot of them can be very violent and gruesome. And that hurts me to think about. And I know it probably hurts you so much to have to witness and watch, especially over and over again. But your presence there is it's teaching you how to show up. If you can show up and you can hold that coherent energy, I don't know what your spiritual beliefs are, but if you can hold whatever coherent energy

for whatever your spiritual beliefs are for that person, it changes the transition for them. because we're not our body. The body dies, but for me, the energetic body is some, it feels everything even after the physical body's gone. And being able to transition with a coherent presence around changes that. From what I, the things that I know, of course, I don't know everything. and I'm not, I'm not claiming to at all. But I would, what I would say is show up coherent.

Allow yourself to feel the pain, but do not take on the pain and live in it. Here's one comment from Chris. Chris says, I'm raising three kids. If I believed your model, what's one thing I'd do differently as a father? If you believed my model, to show up differently as a father, I would say is to stay present and always look at not just the current situation with your children, but also how what you say, what you do, how that is going to influence their systems, their nervous system, their heart, their heart, their

brain for their future. That's good advice. Thank you, Chris, for chiming in over there. James over here. He says, James from North Carolina, he says, can trauma permanently change someone's baseline frequency or only the overlay?

Okay, so it changes the overlay. Now, the overlay can become so noisy and so full of static that it is hard to ever find the core frequency that is why

doing the work to heal is so important so that way you can you can operate from your core your core frequency will shine the noise will dissipate

it becomes less, very much less prominent in your life and in how people perceive you. Here's an entrepreneur coming from Miami to say, can this framework actually help someone build a company? Or is it mostly about spirituality? The fun answer is yes, it can. A conscious company? Yes, yes, a human-centered. that focuses on the humans that it depends on for it to exist. Yes.

A good company, you can. I would have to sit back and play with it for a minute, but I could figure out exactly how to scale it in that way. Yes. Nice. I hope there's more people out there. They're trying to build something not only for themselves and to become wealthy,

but to understand that the real wealth comes from enriching everyone around you, building something that provides value not only for the community, but self-worths for the individual. Something more than money. Yeah, I love that you had that question too because it shows that there's people that want to see.

Is this scalable? Is it possible? Can we do it? And that's how change starts is right there by somebody just thinking, well, can we do it? Can we make it apply here and trying, seeing if it will work? Obviously what we're doing needs to be fixed currently. So that's encouraging. Thank you for asking that.

Nice. My last question that I got for you, Charlotte, is imagine someone is listening to this conversation while sitting in their car. They're exhausted. Maybe they're grieving. They're questioning who they are and what a life has meaning. What's the one thing you'd want them to know before they turn the car engine off? Be kind to yourself. If you're having those feelings, I want you to sit with yourself and ask yourself and give yourself. room for total honesty without shame because we shame ourselves too much.

Ask yourself why. What brought this on? Where is it coming from? And what you can do and to change it. And if it is just you're exhausted, allow yourself to rest. If it's anger or betrayal, allow yourself to feel it, just don't stay there. You would then remind yourself after you let the tears out, let out the anger, scream and cry if you need to. It's healthy. It gets it out of the body. Otherwise, it gets stuck in your physical body. So get it out, but remember that it's just a moment and you can change it and only you can.

Charlotte, let's say people are hungry for more. They're like, I want to, Charla's awesome. I want to talk to her. I want to read more of her writings. I have the Sharla petri. Dot.com down there for the people that are watching. But is that the main place people can find you? Where can they read more of your work and reach out to you if they want to say hello?

Well, most of my work, well, all of it, more than what's on substack, everything is on LinkedIn. So posts articles are all there. It's easy to get in touch with me there. If I don't respond right away, kind of forgetful, just bug me again. Okay. Um, because I am in my own, in the middle of my own life transition, which has been fun, but it's also keeping me very much on my toes. But it is, uh, it's pretty easy to get in touch with me. Um, I love talking about this kind of stuff. So if you have a viewpoint that you think I should hear, give it to me. I want to hear it. I want to see if it,

if I feel that internal click of coherence when I hear it. And I am open. This is one of my favorite parts about myself, is I am open to being wrong and having to pivot if I feel it's needed. But I love being open to that possibility. So, and I love learning. I love learning new things. I love exploring life and all of its little intrinsic details.

So reach out to me on LinkedIn. Substack, those are the two main places. Ladies and gentlemen, I hope you have a beautiful day. That's all we got for today. Check out Charlotte Petrie atsubstack.com. You can scan the QR code or check her out on LinkedIn. And all those will be in the show notes. Of course, have a beautiful day.

ladies and gentlemen, Aloha.