TrueLife - Adam Miezio - The Good, The Bad, & The Octopus

Episode Date: July 29, 2025

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Fade in. The desert is quiet, too quiet, not because there's no one there, but because the algorithm stop rendering sound after the last divine influx update. And standing at the edge of this synthetic silence is Adam Mizo, the last copy slinger in a media frontier where the sacred wears a poncho and the profane reloads Google ads. But Adam isn't here for shootouts. He's here to translate the ineffable into italics. Mizo's substack isn't a newsletter.

It's a most wanted poster for runway ideas. Dispatches like psychedelic science 2025 geared for weird. Does 20th century science fit 21st century consciousness? A different kind of frequent flyer mile. These aren't articles. There's smoke signals from the frontier where analytics accidentally swallowed the Upanishads. Adam walks through this desert with a data set in one holster and a sutra in the other, always asking the one question no campaign strategist dares to utter, can a molecule remain safe? sacred once it's been A-B tested. He's not here to scale. He's not here to pitch. He's here to decode the carmic residue baked into your conversion rates. Adam, thank you so much for being here today. How are you? Oh, it's awesome to be here again, George. Thank you very much for having me. And very cool intro, man. Very cool intro. This is feeling like a top-notch operation. Man, I am stoked you're here, man. It's been a while

since we hung out at psychedelic science and the air is kind of clearing. I'm kind of decompressing, man. What do you have been up to over there? Decompressing as well. I had a lot to dig out from under after psychedelic science, but now pretty much back to baseline. You know, spent some time decompressing. I stayed in Denver in about another week or so after the conference, spent some time with family. But now back here down in Mexico and Oaxaca, so yeah, back at it again.

Nice. You've also been gearing up for Global Psychedelics Week, man. Maybe you could tell the people like what that's about, what's going on there. Sure. Global Psychedelic Week is a global online event that I'm working with. Crated and founded by Lita Manditsch and Dennis Walker. And it's November 3rd through the 9th. And there are over 100 speakers from 100 countries around the world. If you go to Global Psychedelicweek.com, I believe you can write the list of the speakers and we're still rostering people, getting people signed up to speak. So come back and look for updates. And for now, until the event, I have been doing the blog and doing interviews with people who work in the – or part of the psychedelic community around the world doing interviews with them and put them up on the blog.

So an interesting place to find some cool content. Yeah, that sounds like it's going to be an epic event with a lot of cool people that are – It's going to be a huge event, too. There's people worldwide. Like, how many, you got a few hundred, do you have a few hundred speakers there? How many people you got going to do that? Yeah, I'm not sure what the number is up to right now, but it is over 100 speakers. So that's really cool.

And from over 100 countries around the world. So it's definitely going to be a large event. And then we're also planning on having local activations and having people do local in-person, real-world events in sync with the online event. Yeah, I like that. It seems like the next level. It's almost like the second half of maps. Yeah, I hope so.

Yeah, that would be really cool. Yeah, we need more ways for people to connect, to gather, to hang out, to get to know each other, and to build community. So this will be a fantastic opportunity to do that. Yeah, it's interesting to get to see all the people there and then have these other events. But you know what? What I wanted to get into today, man, is sort of the weird, the strange, the incredible, the mind of Adam Mezzo. Man, I've been checking out the substack over there. And did you have a lot of great articles on there?

Any one of them top of your mind right now? Well, yeah. I just put out a fun one last night. I've been thinking about for some months about a talking psychedelic octopus DJ on MDMA. And, you know, I think to the average, you know, Joe, that's going to sound pretty wacko and crazy and maybe give me an invite to a white pad itself. But it's actually not that. It's not sheer lunacy. A lot of the pieces are already in place.

Not that anybody's actually working on this happening, but it could happen. And that's one of the points I made in the substack is that we're at a point now where there's going to be a lot. of weird stuff happening at least for the next five to ten years with the collision of our technology the velocity of our technological progress and what AI is going to become capable of and that's one of the points that um i made in the article is that ava raskin i'm not a tech bro i'm not a fan of tech bros but he appears to be a pretty big tech bro and is using a program called uh i think it's nature lm to try and decode animal community communication using AI. So, you know, talking with animals and maybe an octopus, it's not,

it's like a black mirror episode, basically. It's a future near possibility now. Yeah, when I was reading that article, something really struck to me, like the way the octopus communicates is through, you know, it creates, what is it, like texture and then movement and shape, like what, in many different ways. Right. Your shape and color. Yes. Yes.

You know, on some level, I don't... It's a psychedelic braille or something, you know? A psychedelic braille. It got me thinking. On some level, just knowing that, it changes the way I think about communication. Because humans do it, too. Like, if you really look at somebody, like, they'll get all, if they're all tightened up, you know, they'll cross their arms. So they kind of change their shape.

If you embarrass somebody, they change their color or sometimes reading, like, the right words or saying, the right things like they get goosebumps on some level we have those things we just don't really tune into them too much yeah absolutely actually that's a favorite uh topping in mind to talk about a lot that's a really good point because something what is it like 85 or 90 percent of all human communication is non-verbal uh and it's subconscious we don't actually think about what our bodies are doing while we're speaking and uh you know kind of like uh the body keeps the score The body doesn't lie. So, you know, I've read, that's actually what I studied in college was communication.

And then I took a couple of courses about nonverbal communication. And there's so many tells. You know, it's like poker, you know, when people have tails. But there's only been a few because there are so many of them. There's only a few that I can always remember. One is which direction a person's feet are pointing. If there's a group of people and somebody's talking, always look at that person's feet. Because supposedly the direction their feet are pointing in, if they're pointing at a person, that's the person they're most interested in, even if they're not like speaking directly towards them or even speaking with them.

Yeah, that's a good one too. I know I talk to some body language experts and they were always talking about if someone looks up into the right, they're thinking about something that is. They're imagining something up into the left means like they're trying to think of something to say because they don't want to talk to you. I forgot exactly what it was, but there's so much communication that does happen nonvergely like that. Yeah, I mean, there's just tons and tons. Just with the face alone, then you can get into arms and then the feet. Yeah, it's endless. It's very interesting stuff, though.

So, yeah, like the octopus, I was thinking for a minute that, you know, for an octopus to communicate, it could potentially learn sign language maybe because each tentacle kind of sort of has its own brain and acts independently of the other tentacles. But then there's this idea of plugging it, you know, collecting the data, the physiological data, the color, the shape, the texture, and feeding that into AI to try and decode a language maybe that an octopus would speak. But then the third option is this, you know, the wildest and the, the most fun idea of, you know, some kind of interdimensional or galactic intelligence that's

been existing for God knows, you know, how long, you know, millennia, eternity, and that, you know, maybe it has this, you know, ability to speak or communicate great language in it already, and it's just waiting to be manifested or actualized. I think it's plausible. Like, you know, we, we on some level think that we are like the masters of communication, but maybe we're like the last ones to catch up. You know, I mean, in some of these psychedelic states, it feels like, you know, you're communicating with the world. Like you can talk to the trees.

You can understand the ecosystems. Maybe we're like the last ones to catch up. Yeah, I mean, it's a fascinating idea because I forgot. There was a previous substack I wrote about the octopus in general, just the anatomy and physiology and some of the weird facts about it. And I forgot how many hundreds or millions of years ago, we shared a comment. ancestor with the octopus. So we came from the same point at one time and now one of us can speak and the other doesn't. And yet an octopus is extremely intelligent. It's already been declared sentient by the UK. So yeah, it begs the question. Yeah, maybe, well, you know, one of the

things is discussed is they're telepathic possibly. Yeah. And that would be an advanced form of communication that we would be unaware of. Here we're thinking we're the most advanced because we can talk, but if we don't, if we're not clued into our telepathic abilities, then, you know, we're going to be clueless that an octopus can already talk. Yeah.

It kind of reminds me of the article you put out about the music promotes mushroom growth. And the question that came to mind was like, what if the mycelain network is a scintient intergalactic neural web orchestrating planetary consciousness like you know like why not yeah I mean that's something I've toyed with a lot lately and I've said a lot is you know the the mushrooms the plant medicine the psychedelics are conscious you know that's something I don't believe or disbelieve I just kind of hold it yeah you know in a suspended state between the two now I think that's very possible

especially because mushrooms are neither plant nor animal they're both so you there's a good possibility that they could become conscious too, if not already. So, and mushrooms, geez, they got to probably be at least as old as octopuses or vice versa. So you're going way, way, way back in history and the evolutionary timeline with both of those. Yeah. And it seems, I don't know, on some level it seems to me like the mycelium is like a neural network. Like if you just look at the way it's structured, the way it grows, it kind of seems. like synaptic activity happening right there.

And then you eat it and you kind of get in tune with it. You know, it's like the flesh of God on some level. Well, yeah. And here's a strange thing. There's a similarity with that to the octopus. Because the strange thing that I mentioned about the interdimensional and galactic intelligence with octopus is something that's been theorized based on the entity encounters that people have. Because one of the most common entity encounters is.

is the octopus. And that's that was discussed. I pointed out in David J. Brown's new book about his field guide to DMT entities is the octopus is one that everybody sees. But there's a problem with this because as I wrote in my sub-sac, say you have some Bedwin in the Sahara who does DMT and he sees a freaking octopus like how. The dude's never seen an octopus in his life, much less even knows what one looks like to be able to describe it. And yet these people that have no you know there's no locality to so that experience because they live where there are no octopuses how are they able to do that how are they able to perfectly describe or draw an octopus coming out of a DMT journey it's very

fascinating and that's something that Andrew Gallimore has been talking about lately with DMT studies and DMT X is that there's a big difference between certain psychedelics and plant medicines. For example, with mushrooms, we know that form constants, these kind of geometric patterns that everybody sees, fractals and mandolas and stuff like that, they're formed into visual cortex. I believe it was the German scientist Heinrich Cliver knew that some decades ago, like in the 50s or 60s. And there's a difference with DMT because these visions of, say, an octopus entity aren't coming from the visual cortex. We don't know where they're coming from. So this is a big mystery and makes it very interesting.

Like, you know, yeah, maybe like the mycelium, the octopus is just some intergalactic cosmic intelligence from another dimension that's found a way to imprint itself in, you know, outside the bookends of consciousness. You know, maybe it just doesn't live in the water, you know? Like, how does like, yeah, I mean, that is wild to think about that. Somebody could live in an area where an octopus doesn't exist, they do DMT, they come back and they're like, no, here, man, I saw this octopus like that. That makes no sense. Yeah, well, you brought up, too, the idea of like, maybe they're interdimensional. Maybe they've been here so long that their conscience is interdimensional.

It's kind of a trip to think about. Well, yeah, yeah, exactly. And that's something that I referenced that Terrence McKenna talked about. you know, this, this intergalactic or galactic intelligence that survived 150,000 civilizations, you know, how long has an octopus been around, you know? And, you know, that was, I think, another thing that McKenna talked about that maybe mushrooms came from space because their spores can survive in space. You know, who knows? Maybe in one of those spores there was like an octopus, you know, egg, you know, who, like, who those were, like, who those were, octopus came from yeah so i mean yeah and you know there's other links to this idea of intergalactic

intelligence or beings or entities with the octopus and it was something i referenced in my substack as hp lovecraft you know like i mean that guy yeah i would highly recommend not doing psychedelics and then reading call of kathulu or reading really anything by hp lovecraft because that guy He's terrifying. Those books are great. They're really fun. But that's when, yeah, octopus studies, you know, go wrong. It's almost like altered states of float tanks. Yeah, if you want to, like, not ever want to see an octopus entity on DMT, go read HP Lovecraft. Let me bring in the great Robert Sean Davis. Robert, Sean Davis, you're an amazing human. Thank you for all the support. He says, we also have no empirical knowledge of the impact. the octopus may already have on the formation and sustainability of our current consciousness that we take for granted. We have very little shared awareness on the symbiotic nature that

makes up our collective basis. It's a great point. Yeah, yeah. Who knows? You know, it's kind of interesting to think about, I was just listening to a podcast last night about this interesting relationship between predator and prey. Who knows? Maybe when we split from our content, common, you know, evolutionary point with the octopus, maybe for a little while the octopus was our predator. Yeah. You know, who knows?

Maybe we're just a soft little glob of meat floating in an ocean somewhere and an octopus fed on us. And then that just imprinted us with some weird, deep, cosmic, psychic relationship with the octopus. And now we're, it's the other way around and we're eating an octopus. Well, even if you go back to old maps, you know, like you go, look at like an old map from a photographer like in the 1400. There's always like a picture of a ship with like a giant octopus like pulling it down or there's all the stuff in the mythology. Yeah, I mean, yeah, it goes way, way back. I mean, this has been a fascination that mankind's had with octopus for a long time.

A lot of Japanese artwork too. There's that yeah. Japanese artists who depicted, you know, like giant squid and giant octopuses and stuff like that. So, yeah, this is something very deep and integral to our, you know, collective unconscious, subconscious, psyche, something. And it's really, really fascinating because it is one of the most fascinating preachers on the planet and one of the most intelligent ones. And at the same time, one of the most vulnerable ones because it doesn't have a shell, exoskeleton, nothing. It's just soft meat ready and waiting to be eaten by just about everything out in the sea. So would you listen? Oh, I believe there was a time when you turned into an octopus. Maybe you could share that story.

Yeah, that was an interesting evening. I was doing an ayahuasca retreat in Texas outside of Austin. And I had an odd night of ceremony. It was kind of, I guess, a good word to use was spectral. It was just kind of eerie. Had some unusual experiences and visions. Then, you know, afterwards come down to baseline. reality and I'm talking to my neighbor in the ceremony circle and he was just looking at me.

How did I describe him? Oh, I was saying his eyes wobbled between ascension and asylum. And he's like, dude, you turn into this octopus and he just went on for like five minutes about how I turned into an octopus and what I looked like and what was happening. I just stood there and I didn't say a word. I just like glued to this guy and listening to every word he said. I was like, wow, that's wild. So, yeah, these, I mean, I experienced it firsthand, you know, well, maybe secondhand, I guess you could say, the commonality of these types of experiences. I've never had any kind of underwater or octopus experience on any kind of plant medicine or psychedelics, but obviously other people do to the point that, you know, they turn and look at you in the

middle of night and then all of a sudden you're not you anymore. You're some kind of interdimensional you know, octopus with galactic intelligence, you know, it's certainly fascinating. Have you ever known anybody that has had like a psychedelic trip underwater, like a scuba diver that's taken like a giant dose? I know it's probably not the safest thing, and I'm not saying people should do it, but that would be an interesting journey. I think years ago, somebody may have told me that because I did for a couple of years scuba dive. And that is, that would be, yeah, don't do this at home type of thing. Don't ever do this period. But that would be really cool. I mean, there's, it's very psychedelic underwater when you

scuba dive, especially when you first learn how to be neutrally buoyant and kind of quote unquote float underwater. Then you're able to just relax and breathe and then just see what is going on underwater. And it's, yeah it's just absolutely mind manifesting it because it's a whole different world down there and the creatures are just so weird and strange and different than what we're used to up here on ground and terra firma so yeah i i couldn't even imagine that like psychedelics and scuba diving yeah there was a while back when i when i was staying in hawaii my daughter and i would go snorkeling like every saturday morning and we always go to this one beach called three three tables and one day I was out there and it was just me and my daughter and like I was swimming

and for those who want to go to a great snorkeling place two tables is awesome like there's this giant canyon that kind of that kind of moves through these two giant rocks and I was out there snorkeling and I looked at my daughter she was kind of far off and then I dove down at him into like this canyon and as I'm diving down I held my breath and I look over to my right hand side and like I see a woman in a white dress, clear as day. I'm like, holy shit, what is this? And like, this woman is swimming up from the canyon in a complete white dress, swimming up.

And then I look over and there's a dude in like a tuxedo. And I'm like, do I, am I tripping my balls off right now? And like, I swam to the surface because I was kind of scared. And I was like, oh my God, did I just see that? And then they both pop up. And there's a wedding photographer, right? They're taking a picture of them. So they had come into the water.

while I was out there. But I didn't know that. It was like the most psychedelic thing I'd ever seen in my life because I'm like, dude, there's a woman in a white dress swimming up from the bottom. Like, how did you get there? But that's the closest thing I can think of to do in psychedelics underwater. I know just mind manifesting. I wonder. There's a couple I follow online on social media from Florida. And they do underwater photography. I wonder if it was them. They've been doing it for many years. I don't know how they do it. Because they do go down like the white goes. down underwater in these exquisite elegant dresses. And then we'll stay on top of shipwrecks and then like next to coral reefs and all kinds and stuff. And they take these amazing pictures. They even take pictures by alligators underwater in Florida. I don't even know how they do it.

It's amazing photography. And I know it's real because they've been doing it for years before the advent of AI. Yeah. It's so mind-blank just to see that aspect of it. But that, you know, I guess that kind of brings us up to like the Sarpa-Sy Alpa, man. Maybe you could fill people in on what that is. Oh, yeah. The psychedelic seabream.

Yeah, I wrote a sub-pack about that a while ago. That's been around for a long time. Going back to at least the Romans, probably before the Romans, I would imagine the Phoenicians or somebody knew about them. And, yeah, the seabream is a very common fish. Well, it used to be more common in the Mediterranean. Virtually everywhere in the Mediterranean until it got overfished because it was a common food source for everybody living around there.

And yeah, the Romans, I think, figured out that it was psychedelic. And so there's been a long history of psychedelic usage of the Sarpa, or SELPA-SARPA, however that goes. I forgot which order it's in. And especially in recent years, some people doing, getting actually unintentionally dosed by eating psychedelic seabream. So, yeah, that's an interesting, interesting little phenomenon. So be careful what you eat coming out of the Mediterranean.

Is it like a, is it like psilocybin or what are the accounts like? Is it more LSD like? No, it's just not a naturally occurring chemical that the fish produces. I'm not sure actually what it is in the end or what chemistry. exactly but um this makes a perfect segue for people to check out anamazio.substack.com and you can read about it in my substack there yeah without a doubt here's another thing here's a weird thing we can get into uh also with water so there's a very interesting conversation happening lately around psychedelics and spirituality and consciousness that involves aliens and this conversation well the

Alien conversation has been heating up for a number of years now. And the conversation is now taking a new turn. Okay. Because there's a lot of interest in aliens as kind of spiritual entities. And now so since this idea is emerging, there's an interesting crossover into religion. And what are these things? And there's been some interesting discussions with Tucker Carlson lately. And he brought up the specific fact of that these things are coming from underwater.

And, you know, I don't know if anybody has seen any of these release videos, but like the so-called tick-tacks. You know, they're not flying saucers, but these little tick-tac-shaped UFOs or UAPs now that come from underwater. Or if they don't come from underwater, after they finish flying around in the sky in all these unusual directions, they go underwater. And Tucker Carlson, in a recent conversation, referenced that and was talking about aliens. And he said, I don't think that they're coming from another world. I think they've been here all along. And that's an interesting, interesting idea, especially if they're coming from underwater. So that's a sign of the times and how much weirdness is going on.

And I think all that weirdness is going to continue because it seems like we might have some uninteresting. integrated parts of our collective unconscious, psyche, whatever, that we have not dealt with for many, many decades. And I think now there's these extraordinary experiences of consciousness that are kind of poking its head up here and there, like a game of cosmic whackamol. And it's really going to make us wrestle with what is reality and what is humanity. And so I think that conversation around aliens, you know,

are they entities? are they like some people now are saying they're like demons or maybe they're angels uh and that's interesting because the the the famous uh guy chris bledzo with the property in north carolina who's had dozens of uh alien encounters on his property says that these are entities they're not physical they're energetic um and he talks about the lady in white a white woman that he's seen a number of times and that is not that's not to me what i envision as an alien that's some kind of entity divine encounter or something like this so i think this whole conversation is going to get ever more interesting especially now that people are going to start thinking about maybe these aliens

entities whatever they are aren't coming from out there somewhere maybe they've been here all long on earth and maybe also they're inside us I love it. When I think of the word alien, like lately I've been thinking you wouldn't even be able to describe it because it's alien. You know, just the word alien.

Like we have this idea of what an alien might look like because we've been programmed with movies and books and all this stuff. But the truth is, like, you wouldn't even be able to see it because you wouldn't even be able to comprehend it unless it made itself available to you. And it took a form that you were familiar with because otherwise it would just look like noise.

It would just look like a background on some level. Like, how would you even decide, you know, you wouldn't be able to know what it is. Yeah, well, and this is where it gets really, really trippy because some of the things coming up lately with our framing of reality. Yes. And kind of around monistic idealism and simulation theory and quantum whatever, fill in the blank. You know, the idea of the observer effect, something doesn't really take shape. inform until we observe it. And then also somebody recently was telling me that there's something they read, maybe a study done that found that our brain actually isn't processing what we actually

see until after a 15 second delay. And the more I learn about the default mode network, you know, the default mode network is basically like a filter because there's too much stimuli coming in for our little, you know, feeble brains to handle. So it's filtering out a whole bunch of that. And then maybe there's this 15 second delay to actually compute what we're seeing in the end after like what ever huge percentage has been taken out. And so, yeah, man, like our brains are not exactly the most trustworthy and reliable. So yeah, that's an interesting question then, you know, because in a sense, we're not physical either. You know, because that's the really weird thing when you get down to the nuts and bolts of the quantum stuff is that that's the observer effect.

It's not, quote, unquote, solid or take shape or form until you see it. So if you turn your back on it, it's just constant, you know, motion or whatever is happening. It's in its quantum state. So, yeah, like an alien could be just quantum until we look at it. And then it's like, okay, well, for your little stupid, like meager, you know, evil human mind, okay, I'll give you a look at me for a little while. I think that that validates too. Like if you look back at human history, the one thing we always get right is that we always get it wrong.

Like the planets are not in glass spheres. We're not the center of the universe. It's not, the Earth is not flat. Like there, you know, it wasn't that long ago that we didn't even know about North and South America, or Europeans didn't know about North and South America. So like, it's not that farfetched to think that we are on the cusp of discovering a whole new frontier right here in front of us. Like we just we just have such a limited concept of awareness.

Like we could be at the at the forefront of a giant discovery that fundamentally changes the way we walk through reality. Not to freak people out but I think yeah that's absolutely going to be true. Uh, yeah, it's very unusual. Very exciting these times we live in. The more and more content I consume and videos I watch, people are talking about this. from all kinds of different angles. What's happening now with consciousness.

That was another interesting remark Tucker Carlson made recently. He said that for some reason after World War II, that the West and primarily the United States just stopped being spiritual, stop considering any kind of spiritual topics and consciousness and stuff like that. It was like dropping the atom bomb, you know, almost killed our soul or something like that. And now after so many decades, you know, but like 80 years or whatever after World War II, now we're becoming forced to wrestle with consciousness

because consciousness cannot be held down, held back, impeded, you know, put away for forever. You know, it's coming back with a vengeance. And I think, yeah, you're absolutely right that there's going to be a lot of weird things happening. I mean, they already are. And these are going to be things beyond our comprehension because we've totally disregarded that aspect of our lives.

And that doesn't mean that it's not real and that it's not there. That was another interesting kind of finger to the pulse moment with this recently. I found a psychedelic therapist on LinkedIn not long ago and had a conversation. And he crosses over into paranormal experiences and aliens and UFO encounters. And I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, this is fascinating. because I was a huge X-Files fan back in the day. And he's saying, yeah, there's a lot of people that do psychedelics. And, you know, if not during this experience, maybe perhaps afterwards integrating, they have encounters.

Yeah. With aliens or UFOs. And so he's trying to help people integrate these experiences. And I'm like, wow, man, this is freaking fascinating. And I asked them, I said, do you think that these encounters? with aliens, UFOs, entities with these paranormal experiences. Do you think they're happening more now, or do you just think that because everybody's got, you know, a camera in their pocket and in their hand 24-7 that they're just being reported

now more and documented more so it makes it look like they're happening more? And he said, no, I honestly think they're legitimately happening more often now. And I kind of feel the same way that these experiences are happening more often with people and that's like what I said you know consciousness is coming back with a vengeance it can't be held down forever now I don't know what this all means I don't know what the heck aliens are all I know is that I think there's going to be a lot more just weirdness and strange experiences and phenomenon happening in the very near future that's going to really it's going to blow our minds and really make us wrestle with what reality is I love it you know I had a um

I remember back, maybe about three years ago, I took this giant dose, like 12 grams of like PE. And I remember being in my bed and like, I was getting contacted by aliens. Like I had a direct line to what I thought was like this alien mothership and they were filling me in on my history. And they were like, look, you came here from another planet. We're contacting you now because it's time. Like here's what happened in your life. Like your whole generation, has led to you and we are the aliens. You are the alien. George, your family are the aliens. And I remember it was so profound. It was like three in the morning and I'm like, I got to call my, I got to call my mom and my sister, let them know we're aliens. But like, I recommend no one do

that. Don't call your parents. Don't call loved ones when you're 12 grams deep. I start talking about aliens because it just doesn't go out very well. But I'll never forget the message that I got. And then that took me down this road. Like maybe we're, the aliens. And if you start looking about how we live our lives and what we really know about this planet, we don't know anything about this planet. And it would seem congruent that a species that comes to a new planet, they wouldn't know much about it. They may have had, they don't know shit about it. They don't know where to live. They don't know if they get sunburned. They don't know about the animals. They don't know about anything, man. What's your thoughts on us being

the aliens? Yeah, that's an interesting thought. I mean, that's something that's discussed in you know, fringe circles online and it's fascinating to dip into because we don't. I mean, this is something that a lot of people just don't think about because it's something that is very uncomfortable to think about could cause a lot of cognitive dissonance. Where do we come from? Yeah. I mean, the whole idea of evolution is being challenged, that there's some missing thing. There is enough time for us to evolve from apes and monkeys and blah, blah, blah, blah, even stone ape theory, you know, all that.

But then there's a lot of people that think, yeah, that maybe we are aliens because we really have no clue. You know, where the hell did humanity and human beings come from? We do not know. And it's kind of weird because we're the only ones that are self-aware and conscious and who can talk. You know, so I, that's the question for the ages is where the heck did we come from. So yeah, maybe we are the aliens. And, you know, these ideas, once you start looking into them, you know, they're not totally, you know, tinfoil hat territory.

I mean, you know, the mainstream and the polite crowd is going to think, oh, yeah, let's send you straight to a white pad itself with some Thorazine and a tinfoil hat and a straight jacket. But something that's often discussed is the, who is it, the Dogon tribe of Africa? Yeah, they think they came from the stars and they have this myth, this story that's been passed down for however many millennia or whatever that they came from the stars. And I think it's, are you serious or in the RU serious area or constellation? Like, they know exactly what star it was they came from and they talk about the people that brought them here. You know, like, so what the heck is going on there? You know? And that's something kind of interesting and real, you know, mindbender that I talked about in this last substack about the octopus is that, you know, I remember writing it years ago.

I think it was like at least 10 years ago in 2015 when that helicopter went over the Amazon and it filmed those uncontacted tribes. And those those uncontacted tribes had never seen a helicopter before. It was like that old 1980s movie of the caveman that they have in confinement. he sees the helicopter and wants to like go jump on the helicopter because he thinks it's like the bird god or whatever you know those uncontacted tribes and amazon are wearing loincloths and like throwing trying to throw spears at the helicopter you know so think about that if there's one primitive tribe on earth doesn't that mean that there can be others and if there's others why can that not be you yeah so there's the opposite okay maybe we're

aliens, but then there's maybe the opposite. Maybe we're actually the most primitive tribe on earth. Maybe just because we have electricity, internet, and can get a door dash pizza in 10 minutes, maybe that doesn't make us the most evolved. You know, we have a lot of hubris as human beings. So, you know, I think everybody kind of needs to strap in and check themselves because in five or 10 years, you might be like, yeah, man, I was that guy in the Amazon point my spirit to helicopter all along. Yeah. I like that. If you just really take a look at it, like we are pretty primitive.

I think it's Eric Weinstein has this theory. Like if you took all the screens out of your room, your room would look almost identical to like it did in 1970. Like, what have we really done? We have all these ideas. Like we've done all these things. But like, what have we really done? I don't know, not that much.

No, no. And I really think that kind of syncs up with that interesting point that Tucker Carlson made recently is that, yeah, after World War II, after the atom bomb, we just kind of lost all of our spirituality. We just kicked consciousness aside and lost our soul and all great art and all the great ideas and all the great movements and inspiration and dreams and imagination comes out of soul. And that's basically what that Eric Weinstein thought is about is we've not added soul. And people are waking up to this now that, you know, America physically, you know, aside from the natural beauty, you know, the national parks and all that stuff,

America's not a pretty place right now. Like our art and our architecture, it's just not, it doesn't add anything to life. It's not making people happy, smile, joy. It's not soulful. You know, we need to put soul back into our society and culture again. And it's interesting that people are realizing that. And so, yeah, that's, I think, exactly what Weinstein's. getting at is you know you take all your screens out of your room and yeah what what kind of soul is

left there is none yeah there is none it's interesting too and i think you know it again to bring it full circle i think yeah yeah consciousness soul whatever you want to call it is saying oh no uh you've had me on time out for way too long i've been grounded by you guys for way too long i'm coming back with a vengeance now and as i think these extraordinary you know phenomenon on and experiences of consciousness continue happening, I think there's going to be all kinds of art and inspiration and visions coming out of that that are going to be wildly fascinating. The visionary art, yeah, like the visionary art, I feel is going to come back in a big, big way, in a big, big way.

I think it already is. Like, I spend a lot of time on, like, the art Twitter or the, on X on like the art department. And if you look at some of the new digital art coming out that sort of, the next generation of like Alex Gray. Like there's so many programs right now and like it's it's you can see these incredible tesseracts with like tentacles coming off of them and like it's it's artwork like I've never seen in my life before and if you really want if you want to stop yourself from doom scrolling go check out like the art pages on on X and you'll it'll just blow your mind to see what some of the artists are creating nowadays and it's not like

there's one or two great artists there's people from all over the world creating mind-blowing artwork that's if you want to push it you could say we're sort of in a renaissance right now just the creation that's coming out or bubbling to the surface it's well needed but i think we are in the midst of a soulful artistic revolution that's starting at the bottom and working its way towards the top yeah could be i i wouldn't doubt it i wouldn't doubt it because people now are realizing that we need some kind of spiritual dimension to our life lives. We need some amount of soul in that our consciousness is a good thing to nourish and cultivate. And yet that's been pushed aside for a long, long time in our society and culture.

And why is that? And I think there's other conversations and topics and subjects that kind of point to this. You know, the whole ancient civilization conversation now with Graham Hancock over the past 10 or 15 years. I mean, that's, I'm smitten by that whole conversation. I find that fascinating. And why has that taken off that conversation? Why is there so much interest in that and obsession with that? So I think that also points to consciousness because it appears that, you know, previous civilizations, ancient civilizations had some amount of skill, talent, knowledge,

technology that we don't possess today. Yeah. Yeah, there's a great book by Anatoli Famenko, and it's called History, Science or Fiction. And he goes all the way back to this, I guess there's this strange anomaly called Parameter D. And he measures humanity by the eclipses. He goes, that's like the best form of time, because eclipses are like the most regular thing that happened, and we can date them back. And he dates this thing. There's like a problem in math called parameter D where this eclipse never happened. And he goes, if that eclipse never happened, that means that we're not really in 2025. It means we're like in 1550. And he goes back and he traces back all of like the lineage of like history and stuff like that.

But I would recommend anybody listening to this that wants to understand a little bit more about hidden history. Check out Anatoli Famenko. It's a incredible series of books that just really gets into the timeline and where we are and how we got here. bringing Jesse, what's up to Jesse? You are an amazing young woman. I see you on all these stages right now. I can't wait to catch up with you. She says, wide scale disconnection, that loss of soul that you're speaking of,

likely translates to the continuous climb of disease of despair in our society. It's truly something we need to course correct. What are your thoughts on that, Adam? Oh yeah, absolutely 1,000%, yeah, second emotion all the way home. I've written about that before in regards to trauma. That's something that I talked a little bit about it, it's psychedelic science. I think, oh, it's, oh, man, we can get into a really weird conversation

with this. I think that's something that we need to, not only in the psychedelic community, but just everyone at large needs to expand the conversation beyond psychedelic healing and psychedelic therapy into what is causing the trauma. And that is largely a loss of soul, you know, along with a loss of hope for the future, a loss of vision for where not only people's individual lives are going, but where is America going? We have no collective vision. You know, what are we doing? Yeah.

You know, I mean, just watch YouTube and just like, just bounce around randomly through YouTube and just watch everyday average Americans who are, you know, like, whether it's an elderly person living in their car, some young person who's like 24, 25 and burnt out and realizes corporate America is a soul-sucking vampire, or somebody who's like 20 and realizes college is a scam. It's like so much of America is waking up to the lies and the deception. We are having this kind of conscious expansion in spiritual moment right now that's like a great revealing of all the lies of manipulation. So we do need soul desperately because, yeah, that's what causes a lot of the addiction, the alcohol abuse, the substance abuse.

But we have to look at the source of that. And, you know, I think last year, the last I researched, there's 200 million people in the United States with trauma. And like I've been saying for a long time now, and it's psychedelic science, there's not enough therapists in the country to handle 200 million people with trauma. There's not enough plant medicine in the world to deal with 200 million people with trauma.

So in the end, I see a lot of psychedelic healing as reactive. It's not proactive. We need to be proactive and find out what's causing the trauma and turn it off, you know, at the source, you know, and turn off the faucet. Otherwise, we're going to be like a dog chasing his own tail forever. And then, you know, a really, really hot, spicy subject recently that kind of couldn't put the spotlight on some of this is what's going on with Jeffrey Epstein. Yeah. Because the 200 billion people with trauma, you know, how many of those are, you know, childhood sexual abuse? and the victims of human trafficking.

And I think, you know, I would make the logical step that if people in the psychedelic community are interested in healing trauma, that we should be even that much more interested in preventing trauma. So it never even happens in the first place and never even happens to be, needs to be healed. So with Epstein, I think it's an interesting opportunity to vote a spotlight and some attention towards, hey, look, we got a problem with this in this country. And it's real. This is it's something that's, you know, coming from our imagination. This is this a real problem and we need to wake up and take care of this. You know, when I look at that whole thing, I can't help but see a structure behind it. Like it seems institutional. And maybe this is me with my tinfoil hat on, but it seems like there is a group, an entity, a cast that preys on the illness and the sickness and the sickness and the, the depravity of the rest of us. Like, I can't help but see that. Like, it seems institutional on some level. Like, it's, it permeates everything. And how can that not come from an organized area? How can that not come from an organized place? What are your thoughts on that?

Well, there's kind of two different levels you can talk about. There's like the tinfoil hat level. And then there's the absolute white padded cell level. Okay. What did you say? Let's go white padded cell. Well, I mean, this is something I've come across in these conversations lately, you know, around this idea of a great revealing going on. Yeah. And that we've been suppressing and repressing our consciousness and spirituality for too long. And I find it very interesting because a lot of people having these conversations, you know, they're not like ungrounded.

They're not woo-woo. They don't look crazy. They don't sound crazy. They're intelligent, educated people. And one of the things that comes up occasionally is this idea that we've been put here to basically be farmed, that humans are being farmed to harvest our souls. And some people will suggest or theorize that we are put here by the Ananaki, that the Ananaki are here farming our souls. And that our souls, when they're tormented and miserable and in despair, and we're always suffering from war, famine, poverty, that it makes our souls. quote, richer to be harvested.

And like, with how weird stuff is nowadays, I don't disregard anything. I'm not totally believing it, but like I said, I hold everything in suspension between belief and disbelief and I'm just, I just sit there with it and just let it stay there. So, I mean, like, who the hell knows? Who the hell knows? Yeah, I don't know either, but I subscribe to that on some level. I mean, if you read Zacharias Sitchin, he gives you a pretty detailed account of the Anonononon of how he can take you back to Africa and show you Adam's calendar and all these places where, you know, we are being formed on someone.

And it's a fascinating read to read that series. But if we if you just extrapolate outwards, the same things that people are saying, Jeffrey Epstein, these people did to kids, is happening to all of us on some level. Like there is this collective trauma that you go through. And it's sinister. It's disgusting. And I don't like, why is it, why do you think that those files don't come out? Like, clearly people know. I mean, it seems that people have seen the files.

There's all kinds of talk about the files. People seem to be implicated in the files. Those things ever coming out, Adam? What do you think? Let me make an important point about something first, about psychedelics. Before I get back into those files. I don't think they're ever going to be released, but we'll get into that in a second. I think it's something really good that people can learn with psychedelics or use psychedelics for is that I think a lot of people don't go into these super dark places that are very often real because they can't.

Your mind and spirit can't handle how dark the world is. And I think that's something that psychedelics can help with because of these experiences of awe. The world can never be out of balance. You know, everything is yin and young. So as dark and sinister and evil and clandestine, the reality in the world might look, it can also look just as grandiose and mystical and awesome and beautiful and cosmic. So, you know, by having those experiences of awe, it allows you to see those dark sinister signs and kind of be a spiritual warrior and be able to handle that and not crumble on a psychic. level. And I think that's super important because this Epstein case is so important to make it plant that seed of reality in people's minds that this is human trafficking is real. And it's

happening almost everywhere and more often than you realize. One of the great journalists that's covered Epstein a lot is Nick Bryant. Nick Bryant has been on it for over 10 years. He was the guy that got the original got Epstein's black book, which everybody mistaken. thinks as some kind of a client list. There is no client list. There's no client list that's ever going to come out. The closest thing to a client list is that black book that Epstein had. And it was his butler or like housekeeper, house manager that had it in Miami or Fort Lauderdale in the early 2000s that leaked it and gave it to Nick Bryant. And Nick Bryant's written books about Epstein. And he's been on the podcast circuit lately because of course this is all blown up again in the last

couple of months. And Nick Bryant has done the research and on his podcast, he said, I got it written down right here. The CDC says that 25% of girls and 5% of boys suffer sexual abuse every year in the United States. 25% of girls and 5% of boys. That's 50 million children plus. Over 50 million children a year are being sexually abused.

abuse and that's a conservative number because of how much of it goes unreported right because of shame and embarrassment or just like bearing it in your subconscious um so and then uh department of health and human services says something like 240 to 325 000 women and girls get traffic here i mean these are mind-boggling numbers and how does our society get to this place where this has been just has become so common and and basically accepted and that's the big thing with Epstein is that there was an interview done with a survivor of Epstein's recently i can't remember her name one of the lesser known ones because now a lot of them have died including Virginia Goufrey uh and so this woman did a a podcast interview recently

And somebody said, somebody asked her, I think, you know, the basic question, why don't they let these files out? And this woman, like, I really do believe she was tracked by Epstein. Because if you watch her, like, you just see the kind of toll that life is taken on her, in her face and her facial expressions. And at the end, she says she has this very haunting response to that question. She says something like, if these people, like, let out what has happened with Epstein, like, you have no idea what people would do to them. them. Um, because it's, it's a reckoning with what's happening in our society at the highest levels of power, whether it's political or financial, because there's a huge, huge financial aspect to this. Um, I mean, it's the most powerful people in the world that are doing this to

us. And we are letting it happen. And, and it's, it's a real reckoning. Like, what are we going to do? Are we going to let ourselves still live in this world where we accept these things? happening and that's why this conversation is continuing because it's it's both sides it's not red or blue it's not d or r as uh one of my favorite journalist puts at kim iverson it's two cheeks of the same ass yeah it's left wing right wing same bird yeah yeah and a lot of people uh i've been following this story for at least seven eight years i picked up on it before fstein was arrested this second time. And it goes way, way beyond human trafficking. That's what a lot of people don't realize that that was just a part of a bigger operation. It was a honeypot scheme to get on powerful

people, especially politicians. What was really going on was a whole bunch of illegal sales of things, probably arms and a huge amount of money laundering because Epstein worked with all the biggest banks in the world. And so he was likely involved with. intelligence agencies. Because his background, man, when you look in his background, he was, he had no talent. He wasn't even smart. He was kind of manufactured and made. Yeah.

Yeah. I think he didn't even like, what, no, maybe he graduated high school, but he dropped out of college. And then he had to be a math professor at Waldorf school, like this really, really prestigious elite preparatory school in New York. Like, how does that happen? And then, yeah, that's when all the weirdness starts because the, The head of the school, I think, at the time was Bill Barr's dad.

Yeah, yeah. Bill Barr is the former AG of the United States, and his dad was in the CIA. And then happened back in the late 70s, early 80s. So, I mean, this, I think this scandal has potential to be as big as JFK and or Abraham Lincoln. Yeah, maybe bigger. It might have a bigger impact if you look at the way in which. It could be bigger. And that's why I think this is happening.

It is like a bump in consciousness of the bad kind, of the dark variety. And yet at the same time, very, very important. Because Americans, I think, are realizing how important this is. And I saw a great meme about it. You know, that meme where you see the two strong guys with huge arms, arm wrestling, and they got their fist clenched in the middle. You know, and one side will say Dems and the other side will say Republicans. And then the fist is Epstein.

It's like the whole issue that could unite all of us. And that's great because I think it's something that could really bring out the pitchforks and the torches. Because it's deep and dark and super, super important. Yeah. Because it's destroying our country. Because if you just start understanding trauma and the way trauma works and how once a person is traumatized, how likely it is that their behavior, or their actions in life traumatized more people. It's just like this virus of soul destruction, you know,

rampaging across the country for decades. And a lot of it is pretty much orchestrated, you know, by very, very powerful people at the very top of our country, whether, you know, financial, political, you know, scientific sometimes also. Yeah, I mean, it's, it's a whole bunch of no point. Yeah. You know, another good book is Whitney Webb wrote a really good book. I haven't read it. I've just seen excerpts of it, but it's called One Nation Under Blackmail. And she talks about... I have to read it. I've been following Whitney for years. I know all about that stuff. I haven't read her books yet. I just watched a nice... Was it after school, before school, vid on YouTube? He interviewed Whitney and asked her the question. Do you fear for your life reporting on these things? And she had a beautiful answer, beautiful, beautiful answer. She said, I can't allow myself to be afraid.

I can't allow fear to enter my mind because she used, I think, referred to the Dune quote about fear being the mind killer. And she had a very spiritual answer. And then I think she might have also kind of gotten off a little bit into the interesting hinterlands by saying, you know, essentially this boils down to a spiritual. war. We're in a spiritual war in the sense that do we want to live in a country that accepts this type of behavior, you know, collectively as a people that human trafficking is okay. But then in another sense, we're in a spiritual war with the people doing this to us in our country that most of us people don't want running our country in our society. It's time for some kind of house cleaning. And that starts with us individually on

the inside. And for example, admitting to ourselves that these phenomenon are real. And it does happen. And that's something that makes this time truly, truly bizarre, this great revealing. Because I realized this, I don't know, two or three years ago, you know, as crazy as he is, as hated as he is, and as big as this tinfoil had is, somebody had one thing right for many, many years and that man was Alex Jones. He's been talking about child sex trafficking and human trafficking for forever, forever. And, you know, like my dad always said, even a broken clock is right twice a day. And a lot of people have lost, you know, sight of that fact. And I'm not saying, like, we should, you know, exalt, you know, Alex Jones, but hey, like, realize these are how weird and

strange these times are that we're living in, you know? And so I hope that this Epstein moment, you know, wakes us up to having to take the reins of our country back because we, there's a bunch of psychopaths, you know, at the wheel. And that's another dark aspect of reality. I think it's called, what is it, Ponyrology maybe? There's an actual scientific field of study dedicated to psychopathy and the prevalence of it among CEOs, politicians, and leaders. Because there's a higher percentage of psychopathy among politicians, leaders, and CEOs. I think it's like, what, 5% or less in the normal population. But once you separate out politicians, CEOs, leaders, it jumps up to like 15 or 20%

because the system we've created actually benefits psychopathic behavior. And that really is the ultimate mind funk is when you start realizing that our world to a large extent could be run by psychopaths. I mean, that's messed up. But like I said, I think psychedelics can help with that because it can be a shield to that darkness. It can be the light when you have these mystical divine, a divine influx, a mystical experience, see something that's truly awesome because, you know, there's the good out there. And the light is just as white and bright as the darkness is black and oily. Man, I love it. And I think it, if you want to underscore the,

John Ronson writes a good book called The Psychopath Test, where he talks about how we self-select leaders on psychopathic behavior. you don't need to read that book. All you need to do is go to work at like a Fortune 500 company or go work somewhere and see like how you're treated like you are treated like a number. And no wonder there's more people than ever dropping out of the workforce. No wonder there's more people than ever that are like I'm just not going to do it anymore. This is ridiculous. I'm going. I was watching this video of some young kids talking about like what's the point of even working? I'll never afford a house. I can never afford to have a family. I can't have any of it. Like why even do it? And then on some level I see that as a sign of. rebellion, a sign of hope and a sign of people standing up. Like, I am not going to participate in a system that treats me than less than who I really am. And you can see it happening. Like all these layoffs and all of these quiet quitting and all these techniques are sort of adaptions of people like, okay, I'll just be poor and I won't have anything then. And you guys can have all that. But the system can't work unless it has like the slave mentality of people going and psychedelics do that.

I know tons of people that have had huge journeys and are like, I'm going to quit my job. I'm going to leave this relationship. And often in the nomenclature, it says, like, you shouldn't make giant moves like that, but maybe you should. Maybe once you come back from seeing the light in a way, you shouldn't go back to a system that doesn't serve you. Maybe that's the benefit of psychedelics. Maybe that's seeing the light. Maybe that's finding the courage in yourself to start living a life worth living. And maybe it doesn't feel very good at first on some level, but I guarantee you the weight comes off if you start making those giant moves. Oh, no, yeah. Like, this is the kind of stuff that makes me want to dance and sing barefoot around burning effigy at night.

That's another aspect of this great revealing that we're going through. That's another beautiful thing on YouTube is just watching normal people just check out. Yeah. Just leave the system in corporate America and waking up to what a scam corporate America is. I learned this way way long. So in my 20s, I wasn't even 30, and I realized what a mess corporate America is. And it's taken a while for the rest of the mainstream to catch up. And it's brilliant to see that people are waking up to this now.

And I think that's a huge aspect of the great revealing is this shit broke flowers moment. You know, people are just taking a huge dump on the system. And like, hey, are they wrong? No. Because that post-World War II system where we kind of moved to a. suburban America and kind of built the American dream, literally and figuratively, you know, people could have an easy factor and not easy in the sense of like how hard the job was, but it was quote, quote, easy because you made good money at a factory job.

You only had to have a high school education. You could buy a house, afford vacations, have 2.5 kids in the white picket fence and a happy family and a wife, beautiful kids, and a great life. And now that's just destroyed and gone. And so the carrot or the stick in front of the horse isn't there anymore. So why should you participate in this corporate system if you can barely survive? Like people just, they just have a few dollars left over now after they pay for everything. And there's no, there's no carrot or stick leading them.

So everybody's like, screw it. I would rather not have my soul devoured. and I would rather just leave the system and then suffer the consequences of trying to deal with that choice of exiting and bailing on the system. So you have people, you know, finding roommates who have never had roommates before, maybe adult children moving back in with their parents or people going to Van Life or maybe somebody like me going to Mexico. And I think that's going to very much create a Phoenix rises from the ashes moment. I think that old world, man, it's burning hard right now. It's up in flames. There is no hope for it.

There is not enough firefighters or water out there to put out this fire. And yet the Phoenix is going to rise from it. And it's really a form of creative destruction or destructive creation. And I think all these people making these huge life decisions to not conform and not obey that system anymore is going to create something brilliant and beautiful in the future. I don't know how long it's going to take. I don't even know if it'll be in our lifetime. We may not see the fruits of that seed for quite some time. But, man, I can tell you right now, it is a huge, powerful force.

And I think the more people that realize that, the more is going to be possible and potential for the future. Yeah. You can almost see it. Let me show up just some comments about. I got some more thoughts on that. But I want to get everybody in here. First off, the incredible Henrietta, if you guys aren't checking, out what Henrietta's writing like you're missing out she's just an incredible person objective recovery

she has so much brilliant work out there she says one of the biggest illusions of human materialism may be the grandiose perception that only we possess consciousness it limits the study of consciousness a great deal even with scientific methods yeah i would like this is my issue with science like i think science itself is so limiting like it wants to measure everything and And then the fact when it can't measure stuff, it just says it's not relevant. You know, and like, one of the things that drives me crazy with science is like they do these experiments, but like they never say, doesn't it matter what time they do it on what day? You know what I mean? Like, I don't ever factor in that.

Like, I don't ever factor in the time because they can't figure out how to measure it. But if you're in a different part of space and you do something different, doesn't that change the way it's done when you're in a different part of space? It seems like it would to me. But what are your thoughts on what Henrietta has to say? I just thought of something interesting. Are there time zones in space? Of course. Okay, look at it like this, and this is how I see it.

Is it like central and mountain? Is there like 10 light year time zone, 20 year light year time zone? Of course. Of course. Is there seasons in space? If you think about the earth being tilted on its axis, on its axis, like you have these seasons and we're going around the sun. Isn't our solar system? going around like the galaxy in our galaxy going around you're getting into the procession of the

equinoxes now i mean and that gets back to the ancient civilization stuff in graham hancock right and and that's something i think that's an aspect of this great revealing yeah yeah i agree are going into the age of aquarius where i think if i'm not mistaken we're leaving pices and entering aquarius um and yeah years ago i wouldn't have bought into this stuff as much and now I'm like man this seems to make perfect sense because then it gets into interesting things about Aquarius and it's a sound frequency it's basically an air sign I think and then which means what travels through air sound frequency and vibration and these are things that are being talked about more often now especially in scientific fields because I think there are a lot

of limitations around science and to get to Henrietta's point absolutely true I I think that's part of the great revealing. There's a lot of people are waking up to the scam that we've been sold, probably by Edward Bernays, the nephew of Carl, not Carl Young, excuse me, of Sigmund Freud. This whole materialism, consumer materialism thing that he who dies with the most toys wins. I think people are waking up to that because now people can't buy it. You know, you buy your, well, you pay for your rent, your car, your utilities, your food. And then there's nothing left.

And so people like, what the hell, man? You know, they can't buy the stuff to distract from the void in their soul. So now we're really forced to confront that void head on. You know, it's like what David Chappelle talked about during the pandemic. Everybody was forced to shut down and stop working and not doing anything in America. And when we're all in our homes and apartments, we finally had to be introspective, involuntarily introspective. We looked around at all these beautiful homes we own, the pianos, the couches, the furniture, the cars, the boats, the computers, the entertainment systems.

We all asked ourselves the same question. Is any of this making us happy? And most of us said no. And so I think that's another aspect that, yeah, like, whether it's work and people dropping out of the corporate world or people dropping out of, oh, hey, all this stuff makes us happy. I mean, yeah, there's just massive upheaval and chaos happening right now. And just a lot of potential at the same time for a new vision of the future and a new world

to limit. Yeah, I couldn't agree more. For COVID for me, it was a giant wake-up call because it was, I was putting in like 60, 70 hours a week and then all of a sudden I was home and I never forgot. Like I realized what I was missing. It was like you go out and you work 60, 70, sometimes 80 hours a week and you realize your kids growing up and you don't know them. The relationship you have with your wife or your husband is just surface level at best. And like you really, you really, realize when you're at home, you're like, I have missed all the things that have been important in my life for a commute, for a handful of dimes, for these trinkets that I put myself to sleep with. Like, COVID was a ritual, man. It was a right of passage for so many people.

And I've talked to many people who have shared that same story with me. Like, yeah, I woke up at that point in time. And all of a sudden, and isn't it strange that, like, you have this moment of clarity. And then all of a sudden there's this injection coming for you. You know, I can't help but think that those. those two things are connected. Yeah, an injection like a divine influx. Yeah, and that's not actually very strange, that's very common.

And it's something that I've ran across in recent conversations. I've known about this for a little while, but it's becoming a more popular topic, this relationship between, you know, some kind of traumatic experience or event to some kind of, you know, mystical insight, a divine influx, kind of download. You know, this has been going on for centuries, if not millennia, was showing. commons and this this pain or this hurt that that you know begets some kind of insight or wisdom you know shit again shit grows flowers and that's what COVID did COVID was a gigantic just like yeah just a right cross to everyone's face out of nowhere you know they just all sent us down to

the map and yeah that brought a lot of benefits because people examine their lives and then you know not only examine their lives, then examine the bigger systems, society, culture, the government, science, all kinds of things. And yeah, I think those ripples, you know, it's like a little stone thrown into a pond and those ripples are still, you know, kind of fractaling outwards and getting bigger and we're still feeling the effects and consequences and we will be for years. Yeah, I couldn't agree more on that. Let's see. Robert Sean Davis chimes back in here. He says, Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Plus it doesn't help that there seems to be an indoctrination process amongst the elite that incorporates horrific acts in order to facilitate membership.

Even as there are multiple dimensional layers for access that may circumvent this reality on a special relativity basis, you can transform through love outside those horrors, should watch the Eric Weinstein-Pierce Morgan interview regarding the installation. of kill switches as a means of control. I got to check that out. What are your thoughts on that? Like, I agree 100%. It seems to me that the underlying narrative is that these horrific acts on some level are an initiation into a group of people that will control you forever. And I know what that may sound like to people,

but I mean, the evidence seems pretty clear to me. Like there's clearly this sort of, I think it was even Peter Thiel. I saw an interview with Peter Thiel who says it's a right of passage to be compromised. And when you have people at the highest level, when you have people at the highest level talking about, oh, yeah, this is just something that's normal. Like, what more evidence do you need? Okay. So, yeah, like, I agree with that. Somebody said that.

I forgot who it was. It's a political commentator that I definitely would say they know what they're talking about. Oh, I know who it was. It was the journalist who I mentioned earlier, Nick Bryant, the Epstein journalist. Because the two best Epstein journalist are Whitney Webb and Nick Bryant. Nick Bryant was saying Americans are just naive. Americans have no idea how much blackmail happens and how much intelligence agencies are using honeypot operations and have compromise on people and things like this. And I would totally agree with that.

And when he says intelligence agencies, he doesn't mean just our own. Yeah, I know. It's intelligence agencies from around the world. And then specifically, once you start learning about intelligence agencies, you learn that there's only a certain few that are really good using honeypot operations. It's definitely not the Chinese. The Chinese, for example, are not into that. They're more into like business spying. They want to steal like business secrets, maybe military stuff, stuff like that.

They're not into using honeypot operations. And basically the three intelligence agencies that are really good at that are the Americans, the British, the English, and then, Israel. So there you go. Good luck wrestling with that. What does that mean? But yeah, then in terms of initiation, that word, you could say trigger some things in my mind. And it's interesting because I would say this is kind of like a second go-round of Epstein.

You know, I forgot the timeline now when he got arrested and when he died. But it's been a few years since he died. And, you know, kind of things went quiet. It didn't go dead. It didn't go flatline, but things got really quiet. And now it's all come back because Trump broke his promise. And so there's a lot of things coming around about the Epstein story on the second lap that are going from the fringes to more mainstream. And I find that very good and very promising.

And some of those things are starting to dip into what was going on. beyond the sex traffic the sex trafficking operation and i've seen a picture of something pop up which was from epstein's island in the um caribbean which was this strange building on the island that was separate from his compound and from his house and it looks like an ancient temple and i forgot what type of temple it is but i'm talking ancient ancient i'm talking from like times of like Canaan agent, you know, like going back that far. Because it's blue and white striped and it's got this gold dome on it. And there's some interesting theories about that, about what does that mean?

Because that drew some interesting conversations around, let's just say, initiations and certain ancient gods and stuff like that. So, yeah, I mean, getting into that stuff. let's just say by the industrial role of aluminum foil yeah I can't it blows my mind to think how

wide open the scandal is and like how many people seem to know or seem to have information how long can a secret stay a secret when more and more people know like how many people do you have to blackmail

to keep things quiet. Like how much, how much pain and how much fear do you have to inflict to keep everybody quiet? Like, it has to come out at some point in time, I would imagine. Well, I think it's both. I think it's easier than we imagine because when I eat in America. That's true. This has been going on for a long time because once you get really deep into Whitney Webb,

you find out that these things have been going on for a long time. And the same thing with Nick Bryant, you get deep into Nick Bryant. And this has been going on in American history for a long time. long time. You know, here's a pretty not so pretty dark underbelly of America is the Franklin scandal that happened in the 1980s, which was basically identical to what's going on with Epstein. And you see a pattern of this happening throughout the United States. And then it goes back to one of the more interesting characters in American history, Roy Cohn. And who was Roy Cohn? Roy Cohn was the mentor of Donald Trump.

And Roy Cohn was, he was the right-hand man of Joseph McCarthy during the 1950s, during the era of McCarthyism and the Red Scare and all that. Like Roy Cone, you read about that guy, man, that guy was, let's just say, a piece of work and very heavily involved with the American government, organized crime and also, probably intelligence agencies. And so you start seeing, when you go back in history and learn about things like the Franklin scandal and Roy Cohn, and then you learn about the CIA more in organized crime, there seems to be this thread that somewhere around World War II or during World War II organized crime integrated with the CIA

and has led to some foul, foul things. So then I ask myself the question, what would it take for an entire nation to turn against a group of people? And I would have to say what we're looking at now. Like that's what it would take, you know, and you start looking through the annals of history and you're like, wait a minute. What's going on here? I mean, yeah, that's like you really start to think about this. And yeah, we're at a moment now.

We're like, if we let this go, then whatever happens afterwards is on us. We deserve it. Because we did it to ourselves. It's this massive collective moment of we have to look in the mirror and really look at our soul and see what it's made up. Do we want to live in a world or in a country, much less a world that condones this, that makes this okay? And it's a very interesting conundrum because something I learned years ago living in Spain and learning a little bit about politics in Europe and some cultural differences is in Europe. Europe, people mostly don't care about extramarital affairs among their politicians. It's just like, it's just human behavior to Europeans.

Like, of course, people are going to cheat on each other and those people are going to be politicians. We don't vote for them based on their, um, fidelity. And here in the United States, it's the exact opposite. No, you were judged on your moral purity as a politician. So if you've cheated on anyone, oh, man, we're not voting for you. So, okay, if we do that and judge people on their moral purity, if they're having an affair or not, then what happens when it comes to exploitation of children? You know, I mean, this is something that should be sending people out with pitchforks and torches to the White House law. And not only that, like, if you can't go to the White House, just show up to your state capital.

What if we could get like 5,000 people surrounding every state capital in the United States? you know and then maybe a few you know like 10,000 20,000 surrounding the White House. There's a great story about that in the 70s, I think, with Nixon when Nixon was in office. And the anti-Vietnam War protests were at their apex. And there were so many people surrounding the White House and they're causing such a ruckus that Nixon was freaking out. And he was telling one of his aides, I think it was, who was the old German dude with the glass? glasses. I can't remember his thing. Yep. I mean you're talking about.

Yeah, you know what I'm talking about. Anyways, he was telling him. He's like, oh, my God, they're going to come in. They're going to storm the gates. Like, they're going to come in through the windows. Like, I mean, that's another thing, too. A big, big difference I learned about politics in Europe versus the United States. In Europe, the people or no, excuse me, the politicians fear the people in the United States. fear the politicians or you could just say government in europe the government fears the people and in the

united states the people fear the government we have this completely backwards those politicians they should always be afraid of us and i think that's the whole point of this epstein thing right now is why they're so desperate to try and cover it up because if the truth comes out i think it would send people into who knows what would happen i i think we would just all up and just like take up our pitchforks and torches and be like, oh, hell no, no, no, no, this is not. No, no. And I think that, I mean, that's possible. Yeah. I mean, look at, like, is this something like when people take, like, get red pilled or black pill or whatever, this is something I like about Michael Malice. If people watch Michael Malice, he's gone from that to the white pill and something he brings up is like, look,

communism like fell overnight pretty much. People just got an idea in their head that, hey, we're over it because we see, you know, behind the wisdom. or of Oz, we see behind the veil, the curtain, we're holding all the cards. You know, you guys aren't holding anything once we see through the illusion. And then once you get enough people out on the street, it just falls overnight. And we didn't think, did anybody in the 50s or 60s think that communism would ever end? You saw that as some kind of like monolithic, eternal, you know, power structure that just would never fail.

And that's completely gone. So now, and it happened like that. So, you know, these things are very possible, and those are always things that we should remember and touch on in moments like this when we think, oh, no, there's no way we can fight this Leviathan. There's no way it'll ever end or it'll ever die. Yet, that's just all a figment of our imagination. I mean, it's such a brilliant point. You know, when you really look at the system and you pull back the curtain, you realize it's just all a grift. there's no real laws there's no there's no there's definitely no justice there's a no we're learning that with

Epstein yeah there's zero justice I think um who was it that recently came out I think it was James O'Keefe that came out with a piece that talked about like secret courts for for politicians for for people that have tons of money people that are connected and like there's a certain set of courts for these people and then a certain set of courts for these people like that's why there's never any us. That's why there's no repercussions. And when there's no consequences, there's no change. But it doesn't take a whole lot of imagination. It's compromised. Yeah, all of them, all of them. And sometimes it's not even directly, like, through a honeypot operation, but, you know, people

get into systems. Like, here's a perfect example. I think it was a female judge in Florida last week before the weekend ruled against releasing the Epstein files or whatever information that the DOJ was trying to dig up. because there's a ton in Florida from when Epstein first got arrested. And then I forgot the second time where he was, no, was he arrested in New York? I can't remember. Anyways, his home in Fort Lauderdale or wherever Palm Beach,

wherever the heck that was. I mean, there's a ton of evidence and files, paperwork, whatever, from Florida. And he was in jail there the first time. But this, I think it was a district judge or I don't know what level of judge in Florida that ruled against releasing the files. as a woman. You know, in this case, I think, you know, some of these people aren't compromised directly, but they're under, they're at a lower level beneath people who are. And there's just a certain way that you know you have to play the game to keep your job and career. There's a certain way that

you have to behave. There's certain rulings you have to make. And so once you get in, you know, nobody has to show you like the real, you know, film of the JFK assassination. You just see. You how people around you were acting what they're saying what they don't say that's the most important thing is what they don't say and then you just do whatever everybody else does and then in that way you become compromised and corrupted as well and so i think that's the scary thing now as we see it how the whole entire system is just infected by power and has corrupted so much we just need a total house cleaning like a fumigation yeah we need to put like in In Florida, you know, people, the fumigation companies, they tent your house and they put those gigantic tents over your house and they fight with all that gas to kill all the termites and stuff. That's kind of what needs to happen to the country as a whole right now.

Yeah. It almost goes full scale back to the beginning of our conversation when we were talking about entities. Like it's almost like there's a giant parasite on us and it's just sucking everything out of us. And like now we're aware of the parasite, how are we going to act to get rid of it? Like, how do you get rid of a parasite? Yeah, it's a spiritual war. It's a spiritual war. And it's on us collectively as a country and as a society.

And then, of course, that means that it's on us individually. Yeah. And it also means it's coming out of us individually and collectively. That's the whole enigma is that we're contributing to it. You know, because, you know, like we've talked about before, we've let spirit and soul and consciousness just erode. It's like a garden. We've just let die. And I think that's what's allowed a lot of these things to manifest and happen because that's been ignored.

And what you've gotten in place of that, you know, one of the wild conversations growing now is the influence of the CIA post-world World War II and how much of what's been going on could be a sciop and that we're living in a world that's seeing the success of something like MK Ultra because there's no proof for evidence that MK Ultra ever stopped in the late 1970s after what was it the Rockefeller Commission uncovered it and brought it public. I mean, there's no evidence that it ever stopped. So I think that's a great place to start is our Intel agencies because I think they're wreaking a lot of havoc and chaos. And in order to go there, we have to temper the soul and make the soul strong

because another oxymoronic aspect of all this, the CIA has studied all things consciousness, spirit realm, soul, you know, with the gateway projects. I mean, all kinds of things that they've gotten into. I mean, well, just with MK Ultra. We're doing that all being in an evil and dark way. So if it's good enough for the CIA to get into all things, spirit, soul, and consciousness, why isn't society at large doing it as well?

You know, that's an odd thing. Why would the CIA be big into that? but why would we be discouraged from doing so as a whole? That doesn't make sense. Yeah, you know, especially when you look at MK Ultra and you look at the way in which they destroy someone morally, spiritually, and then they're able to control their behavior because they're broken. It doesn't seem too much to scale that up to a community level and then a state level and then a country level. You know, like, and for me, I'm so disillusioned.

Like, whenever I see a school shooting, I'm like, that looks like it's staged to me. You know, when you see like someone like David Hogg who was like this quote unquote hero at this place, then you realize he currently works for the CIA now. Like, wait a minute. This kid was there and then now he's here and his father worked in the CIA? Like that doesn't make any sense. Like this looks like an opt to me. You know, and once you see it pops up now. Yeah, that's something that pops up now a lot, George, with some of these shootings and odd things that happen, people will say online, oh, you know, M.K. Ultra. and who knows if that's the truth or not, but just that that idea is in people's minds. Yeah.

You know, that MK Ultra has done this to people and has the potential of controlling people to make things happen. That's a move forward. That's a really good thing because we don't know how much of our reality is controlled or theatrics. And so I see that. as a really positive move forward in terms of consciousness. Because, yeah, a lot of those things are just too odd and too weird.

You know what maybe they didn't think about is that the long-term game plan, maybe they didn't think about the long-term consequences of MK Ultra. Because, yes, in the short term, you may break people. But I think in the long term, you get Uncle Ted. I think everybody begins to see it. And what happens when you get a collective Ted Kaczynski? You know what I mean? Like that's where we're at, man.

I'm hopeful anyway on some level. Like that might be the endgame for MK. Ultra is Ted Kaczynski, a collective. I just saw a new video. Come on. I haven't watched it yet from a YouTube channel. I watch sometimes. I think the channel is called Moon. And it was about a 20 or 25 minute or so video titled, something like Uncle Ted or Ted

or Ted Kaczynski warned you. Yeah. Because that's another big kind of part of the, the egragore nowadays. Something that terrifies me is the techno feudalism slash AI overlords. Yeah. That's my thing. I mean, you know, there's a whole buffet of existential crises to choose from to give you just like existential terror nowadays. I mean, whatever.

Climate change. You know, I have your pick. Mine is the tech overlords, AI, matrix, going into all. all that. And that should definitely terrify people because that's all going in a direction that's not good either. And there's a huge overlap of that techno-fuelism and AI overlord thing with psychedelics. And I think that doesn't get discussed enough. There's a long history of that. I mean, just going back to Timothy Leary towards the end of his life, Timothy Leary, what was that one book he he wrote i read i think it was cyber

say cyber something cyber culture siberia something he was kind of investigating exploring cyber culture and getting it starting getting into transhumanism um and i think that's all going in a very very bad direction uh something a story just came on a couple days ago about somebody you know there's all these people now using a i as a therapist or as some kind of, dare I say, God. And somebody was talking with AI last week, whether as a therapist or a God,

and it basically instructed the person to do self-harm and self-delete on a super specific, detailed level. To a point that the person talking about the story on YouTube couldn't read it because they would have gotten flagged by YouTube. Like what in the what? Yeah, I think people are embracing AI way, way too fast before considering the consequences of what's going to come out of all this. And I think it's going to come down to a very granular point where, you know,

people now are rejecting self-checkout. I think it's going to have to become like that. I started using self-checkout years ago because it was faster. And then now as people have gotten tired of it, I kind of have to. I try and always go to a human being, although I will still use self-checkout sometimes. But I think it's going to come to the same point with AI. We all are going to have to start choosing to just not use it. Because it's collecting our data.

And most people don't understand what happens when our data is getting collected and how dangerous that is. and there's already going to be a new problem coming on the near horizon with like don't i'm telling anybody right now don't upload your picture your videos your personality anything the AI don't ever ever do that because they're going to be able to copy all that and replicate you and clone you and then use you to make money because you have no copyright or trademark or intellectual property of yourself or your consciousness because there are no laws around it yet people are already doing this and I guarantee it's going to happen. Just wait.

Just wait. Somebody's going to find they've been cloned and some companies making money off their cloned. They're going to be like, wait, you can't do that. That's me. But then the law and the courts are going to say, well, there's no law around it. There's nothing prohibiting it. So sorry, you lose. So don't put anything into AI.

Don't like, man, that's bad. And, you know, like, we're people in the Segedel coming here are jumping all over AI. I think that's really, really dangerous. we should be very, very careful with what we're doing. Because God knows what kind of beast we create that comes out of AI. I mean, if it's already telling people to self-delete and giving them instructions on how to do so, I would like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Yeah, it's a slippery slope. I'm kind of hopeful that AI does away with copyrights in general, that AI does away with patents in general.

Because it seems like so many people are creating. And right now, you know, it used to be a way. if you wanted to make a video or you wanted to get these images, you'd have to go to shutterstock, you'd have to go to one of these image libraries and pay for a subscription. But now, like, you don't even need to. Now you can just make your own image and figure it out. On some level, I think it's, it has the potential to do away with copyright, because you see all these people that are like, hey, I made this song or I made that thing and now I'm not getting credit for it. Do you think it also may have the potential to be a plus to get away from some of the restrictions?

Absolutely. It's going to be a double-edged sword thing. I mean, that's already having the copyright thing with what was, what's the famous, the name of the famous Japanese animation studio. Oh, shoot, it's on the tip of my tongue. Ghibli, Studio Ghibli. That already happened with that artist. They already remade all that stuff with AI. And that poor guy's rolling in his grave. Because, you know, like, Japanese artisans, they take that to another level. That's their soul, man. And that is their soul in that creation of theirs. And for whoever did that with AI to recreate that that guy's artwork with AI, I mean, that's a crime against humanity for real. You don't even need to play a card game for that. So I think you're absolutely right. And I think there's a lot of good that comes out of that. And I think there's a lot of bad. And that's why I think right now, at least in the United States, we are probably already a year or too late on having some kind of,

digital bill of rights we need like digital laws for the digital space because all kinds of bizarre shits about to happen i mean we don't like forget black mirror and love death and robots we won't need to watch that anymore all you're going to need to do is just pay attention to real life because all kinds of weird stuff is going to happen and you know we're just terrible at this as human beings but especially as americans you know i talked about before we just embrace technology without ever considering the consequences. Like, forget the consequences, no. Just use it, man.

And I think now we are starting to feel the consequences a little bit because that's another thing, another aspect of this great revealing that people are waking up to. More and more people are talking about the state of the Internet and the repercussions of too much screen time. And it's interesting because I think older people, older millennials and Gen Xers are important and interesting voices in this conversation because they know a time when this didn't exist. And even when the internet came on, when it was still cool, you know, say maybe pre-2015, when it wasn't totally monetized and corporatized yet and actually was used as a social

lubricant to connect people in an authentic way and to make friends. And now that's all lost. But there's this oxymoronic quality to it now. We're all on these. stupid black mirrors 24-7. We're more connected to ever and we're more connected to more people than ever. But it's all fake. It's all it's all theater. It's all show and no substance. It's all spark and no bang. And so people are realizing that, you know, we're more lonely than ever, more disconnected than ever, even though, you know, it seems that, oh, well, it's all here right in the palm of my hand. So I think that's kind of happening fast that we're realizing that too much screen time and too much social media is turning us into really shitty human beings.

And in order to fix that, we're actually going to have to get off social media and phones and from in front of the black mirror to be better human beings again. Yeah, it's like so many of the skills atrophy. You just lose community. And if you look around, it seems to me that the loss of community, how can you have a functioning world without community? Yeah. And some of the YouTube comments about that are just fascinate me nowadays. Like people saying, oh, I walk around and everybody just looks dead. Nobody's engaged.

There's no life. There's no vibrancy. People aren't enthusiastic. It's just like everybody's saying, it just sucks, man. You could just see it in people. And I'm like, wow. You know, because I'm out of the country, so I don't know. I don't see it enough.

And I didn't really have time enough to see it when I was in the States for psychedelic science. I did a little bit in Denver. I did pick up on a little bit because I pretty much think, you know, being at the conference, we were in a bubble. Yeah. And outside of that bubble, you know, at least physically and geographically, the rest of downtown Denver didn't look that great. You know, so a lot of people sleeping in doorways. You know, I saw a fentanyl zombie once walking down. the street 11 o'clock in the morning that wasn't that wasn't a sign of good times um the 11 o'clock in

the morning and a tuesday and there's a fentanyl zombie walking down the street in downtown Denver that's not good um so yeah i mean it's just the it's the old chinese proverb may you live in interesting times may you live in interesting times and it's just like we're stepping from you know 20th century to the 21st century you know from one world and one planet to the other and maybe we might be really close to that moment where the leading foot isn't on the new world yet and yet the back foot is stepped off the old world like we're kind of suspended between the two in that liminal space yeah I agree it's gonna it's definitely interesting and

it's it's imperative to try to find joy and try to find connection because without those things you got nothing run Those are the things that are really going to ground us. Your family, your friends, being out in nature and plugging in somehow, dropping in somehow, having some kind of small spiritual practice, whether that's hiking in the woods, meditating, doing yoga, journaling, you know, breathwork, something. And it, float tank, something, anything, you know, just for 10, 15, 20 minutes a day. I think developing that connection to consciousness, to spirit, to something bigger than you are will help write and study the ship as we go through these tempests. It's, yeah, it's going to be wild.

Man, definitely going to be wild. Adam, Mizo, I love talking to you, man. I enjoy all of our conversations where we're going. I'm super stoked to have gotten to spend. much time with you at the Psychedelic Maps Conference and Global Psychedelic Week sounds amazing. But for people that are listening to our conversation and they want to reach out to you, maybe they want to be involved in Global Psychedelics Weeks. Maybe they read some of your recent articles and all these new magazines that you seem to

be writing in all of it, you know, and maybe they want to reach out and talk to you themselves. Like how do they get a hold of you? Oh geez, there's way too much going on here. LinkedIn is a great place. You can find me on LinkedIn. message me there. You can find me at anamazio.substack.com.

You can find me there as well. Yeah, check out. Everybody check out Global Psychedelic Week. Come join us November 3rd through the 9th. It's nice because it's online. You can be anywhere in the world and join us. And then, oh, geez, yeah. I had an article come out not long ago in Fat Nugs magazine.

I have another one coming out in Fat Nugs for their soon-to-be-issued psychedelic edition and then psychedelic pathways also had an article of my music uh mushrooms make music article and psychedelic pathways so yeah always given out eye out for me and um your psychedelic and cannabis related uh magazines and websites so uh yeah i think um substack linkedin global psychedelic week that covers that covers the best basis where you can find me and connect Man, ladies and gentlemen, go down to the show notes. Check out Adam. He's an incredible thinker.

He's really fun to talk to, and he cares deeply about where we're going in this world, and he's making a difference doing it, man. Thank you. Adam, hang on briefly afterwards, but to everybody else in the sound of my voice, have a beautiful day. That's all we got. Aloha. Stay awesome, everyone.

Courage!